From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 00:15:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA02878 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 00:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02867; Sun, 19 May 1996 00:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Sun, 19 May 96 03:15:44 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Sun, 19 May 96 03:15:40 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA07952; Sun, 19 May 1996 02:15:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 02:15:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605190715.CAA07952@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: palmer@freebsd.org Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMIT(System Maintenance Interface Tool) Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: "Gary Palmer" Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 19:48:51 +0100 Thomas David Rivers wrote in message ID <199605181339.JAA08152@lakes>: > Well - just to throw in that ever-dissenting opinion - but, > I have to manage several machines; one of which is AIX. All > of them are easy to handle, except for the AIX machine, because > of SMIT... A survey in the UK disagrees. It highlights the fact that a central management interface for the maintence and configuration of AIX makes AIX more cost effective to run than Windows NT server, and several other ``popular'' operating systems. I believe I posted the article on - -chat, if you want to look in the archive. I know AIX SMIT by word-of-mouth only, and that it is uniformly negative. Just a (very fuzzy) datapoint. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 00:41:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA04499 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 00:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zaraza.bofh.org.il (zaraza.bofh.org.il [192.115.153.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04476; Sun, 19 May 1996 00:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sgt@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaraza.bofh.org.il (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA04831; Sun, 19 May 1996 10:42:33 +0200 Message-Id: <199605190842.KAA04831@zaraza.bofh.org.il> X-Authentication-Warning: zaraza.bofh.org.il: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Dual processor system Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 10:42:31 +0200 From: Sergei Barbarash Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I wonder if there is any support for dual processor systems in PC Unix clones? (FreeBSD, specifically). Thank you in advance, From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 00:50:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA04993 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 00:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04988 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 00:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Sun, 19 May 96 03:50:31 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Sun, 19 May 96 03:50:27 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA08095; Sun, 19 May 1996 02:50:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 02:50:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605190750.CAA08095@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You're not alone...I'm trying to figure this out too. I've been looking through RFC 1122 (Host Requirements - Communications Layers) and RFC 1812 (Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers). I think these are probably the right places to find info related to this topic, but so far I haven't found it. I don't recall whether it was private mail, but Terry did mention router and MTU discovery, concretely. According to the masq archives at http:/www.indyramp.com/masq MTU discovery works in linux as of 5/16/96, so that prevalent estimations of what is feasibly accomplished in a masquerade implementation may be obsolete. I have not been able to exert the effort yet to determine whether there is an extant problem with router discovery in linux masquerade. IMO: The lack of masquerade is likely to prove the most significant disability of FBSD relative to Linux, vis a vis market requirements in the forseeable future. My most vulnerable assumption, in forming this opinion, is probably my estimate of the proportion of potential free unix users with multiple home machines *and* one of either multiple home users or a dedicated/demand Internet connection. I do not share your feeling that this is the wrong thing to do, partly because I have seen mostly FUD from the con camp. (This is not necessarily a criticism of any con postings, however -- there can be perfectly valid reasons to post FUD, and I believe some may pertain here.) I do heartily endorse the notion that intentionally introducing defects into the IP stack is a non-starter. The scorecard right now tells me that iff pertinent RFC 1256 router discovery requirements are not feasibly satisfiable in a masquerade implementation, it is not an acceptable approach. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 01:17:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA06727 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 01:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06722 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 01:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I4VX6LI6J40018YU@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Sun, 19 May 1996 10:17:08 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA25574; Sun, 19 May 1996 10:24:10 +0200 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 10:24:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation Problems In-reply-to: <199605190343.WAA03970@asylum.asylum.org> To: dlr@asylum.org (dlr) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199605190824.KAA25574@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Just installed 2.1.0-RELEASE on a 486-66 via nfs and it went without a > hitch. Many nice improvements from 2.0 (which i am running on another > machine). > > I am having a strange problem which i'm certain someone will laugh and > tell me is so simple to fix. > > When i run vi at i cannot see the file. i've tried vt100, You did not mention under what circumstances the vi problem occurs. Are you logging in remotely? Is the file contents visible for a short moment ? What are your stty settings? > xterm, sun terms without success. I can login remotely from my sparc2, > and when i set term=sun on the sparc, things seem to work on the freebsd box. > when i fire up XWindows on freebsd i don't have the problem. Any clues? > > > > here is the .cshrc file: > #csh .cshrc file > if (-x /usr/local/bin/less) then > alias more /usr/local/bin/less > setenv PAGER /usr/local/bin/less > setenv LESS "-eM" > endif > > alias gztart 'gzcat \!* | tar tf -' > alias gztarx 'gzcat \!* | tar xvpf -' > alias h history 25 > alias j jobs -l > alias la ls -a > alias lf ls -FA > alias ll ls -lA > alias du du -k > alias cd 'cd \!*;set prompt="{`hostname`\\\!`whoami`} $cwd \\!> "' > alias df df -k > setenv EDITOR vi > setenv EXINIT 'set autoindent' > setenv PAGER less > setenv TERM xterm > stty erase ^h > setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH "/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/X11R6/lib" > set path = (~/bin /bin /usr/{bin,X11R6/bin,contrib/bin,games,sbin} > /usr/local/bi > n /sbin /stand ) > MANPATH = /usr/share/man /usr/local/man /usr/X11R6/man > if ($?prompt) then > # An interactive shell -- set some stuff up > set filec > set history = 1000 > set ignoreeof > set mail = (/var/mail/$USER) > set mch = `hostname -s` > set prompt="%m:%S%C2%s %t %S%B[%h]%s%b %# " > # set prompt = "${mch:q}: {\!} " > # set prompt = "{io}\!: " > # set prompt="{`hostname`\\!`whoami`} $cwd \!> " > umask 2 > endif > > > here is the .profile: > > PATH=$HOME/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin > export PATH > > EDITOR=vi > export EDITOR > EXINIT='set autoindent' > export EXINIT > PAGER=more > export PAGER > > umask 2 > > > and finally .login: > > #csh .login file > > setenv SHELL /usr/local/bin/tcsh > set noglob > eval `tset -s -m 'network:?xterm'` > unset noglob > stty status '^T' crt -tostop > stty erase '^h' > > > many thanks, > > > dave > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 04:22:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18121 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 04:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA18116 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 04:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [193.174.4.22] ([193.174.4.22]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86052-1>; Sun, 19 May 1996 13:22:07 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:00:00 +0200 To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu From: Lutz Albers Subject: Re: Glimpse3.5 won't make Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article , Chuck Robey writes: - -On Thu, 16 May 1996, Paul Walsh wrote: - -> Can nybody give me a clue how to make Glimpse3.5 on freeBSD. -> -> Or know of binaries? - -I did the glimpse 3.0 port. 3.5 is pretty new, I didn't know it was -available, thanks for letting me know. Would you be willing to test out -a new port for version 3.5 (once I get it done?) Hi, There are only two patches required: ./libtemplate/util/strerror.c: that ole sys_errlist problem ... :-( ./agrep/agrep.c: needs an #include before the #include With this patches it works for a few weeks on my system (2.1R) glimpseHTTP needs a few more patches (ask me if you want them). ciao lutz --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lutz Albers | What's good ? Luederitzstr. 14, 81929-Muenchen, Germany | Life's good - ph: +49-89-93940364 | But not fair at all fax:+49-89-93940365 | (Lou Reed) Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 05:02:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA20719 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 05:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilms.nla.gov.au (ilms.nla.gov.au [192.102.239.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA20714 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 05:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (cmakin@gadget.nla.gov.au [192.102.239.85]) by ilms.nla.gov.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA101206 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 21:59:09 +1000 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 22:02:18 +1000 (EST) From: Carl Makin To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-Reply-To: <199605171833.LAA06526@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 May 1996, Doug White wrote: > > Is ip masquerading available for FreeBSD? I would like to route my Amiga (via > AFAIK, FreeBSD doesn't provide this capability. I doubt it ever will, since > IP masqerading was considered "evil" by some of the group :-) "evil" or not it's DAMN useful. Not everyone sits on only one class C that is easily internet connected. How is it more evil than proxys or socks? Carl. -- Carl Makin (VK1KCM) C.Makin@nla.gov.au 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" 'The entire concept of daylight savings time is like trying to make yourself taller by cutting off your head and standing on it.' - Usenet Oracle From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 05:30:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22037 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 05:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from starfire.mn.org (root@starfire.skypoint.net [199.86.32.187]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22007 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 05:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john@starfire.mn.org Received: (from john@localhost) by starfire.mn.org (8.6.12/1.1) id HAA02894 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:30:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199605191230.HAA02894@starfire.mn.org> Subject: Making a new FreeBSD installation using an existing one To: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD questions) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 07:30:20 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please reply by direct e-mail, since I do not subscribe to this list. Is it possible/practical to use a running FreeBSD system to install FreeBSD on another SCSI drive (from CD)? The reason I want to do this is that I am running FreeBSD 2.1 as upgraded from FreeBSD 2.0.5, and my hard drive is failing. I have purchased a new drive, and would like to prepare it while continuing to use the current system to minimize my downtime and to allow easy access to existing customizations and information. Heck, at the price of disk drives these days, it might be worth it to keep a spare just to do upgrades! Alternatively, I am thinking of the same scheme, but using -stable or 2.2-960501-SNAP instead of my 2.1 CD. Since I only have a 28.8kbps link to the Internet, it would be nice to have the original system running while waiting for all the transfers. It would also be nice to just wait for my FreeBSD-2.2 subscription CD to arrive, but that must be at least 8 weeks away, since I haven't heard that things are ready to send them out to press, and I don't know that I should trust the only drive that long, given the noises that it is making. Thanks for any and all help! Please reply by direct e-mail, since I do not subscribe to this list. John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 17247, Mpls MN 55417 From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 06:58:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA26622 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 06:58:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26616 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 06:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ae24394; 19 May 96 14:58 +0100 Received: from am137.du.pipex.com ([193.130.252.137]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa22339; 19 May 96 14:43 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA01146; Sun, 19 May 1996 14:39:28 GMT Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:39:28 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605191439.OAA01146@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: craigs@os.com CC: questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199605190405.AAA03595@solar.os.com> (craigs@os.com) Subject: Re: I've SUPped the files, now what? Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> craigs@os.com (Craig Shrimpton) writes: > > Folks, > I need to know a safe way to use SUP. I have the src files using sup -v > /usr/share/examples/sup/stable-supfile. The docs say to "make world" but > before I do that does anyone know of a safer way to upgrade the system? I'd > hate to overwrite config files and such. What's the best method for using > SUP? I've just gone through this, though with -current and CTM. Doing 'make world' will replace all the system binaries, and things like libraries and include, however it will not touch anything under /etc, /home, /var, /usr/local, etc. - it's been very carefully thought out, so you can upgrade without losing all the work you did on customising your system. Obviously, before doing anything like this, you should always make sure you have some means of recovery in case something does go wrong - you do take regular backups, don't you? 8-) BTW I'd also recommend re-booting into single-user mode before making the world (type '-s' at the boot prompt). > Should I just pick the apps I want to upgrade and do them > individually? My main concern is having an up to date kernel. Hmm. You may well be able to get away with this - I haven't tried it myself. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland jraynard@dial.pipex.com james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 07:02:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26886 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from j51.com (root@gorplex.j51.com [199.224.7.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26874 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from drew@localhost) by j51.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) id KAA03444 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 May 1996 10:02:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew Morone Message-Id: <199605191402.KAA03444@j51.com> Subject: Packet Sniffer for FBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 10:02:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, Last night one of my hosts was dropping packets like crazy. Even after rebooting it was still limping along. I suspect some sort of network problem. Does anyone know of a eth sniffer that compiles pretty readily with FBSD? Drew From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 07:15:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA27577 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asylum.asylum.org (dlr@asylum.asylum.org [205.217.4.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA27556 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dlr@localhost) by asylum.asylum.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) id JAA07404; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:13:33 -0500 From: dlr Message-Id: <199605191413.JAA07404@asylum.asylum.org> Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation Problems To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 09:13:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605190824.KAA25574@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at May 19, 96 10:24:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk | |> Just installed 2.1.0-RELEASE on a 486-66 via nfs and it went without a |> hitch. Many nice improvements from 2.0 (which i am running on another |> machine). |> |> I am having a strange problem which i'm certain someone will laugh and |> tell me is so simple to fix. |> |> When i run vi at i cannot see the file. i've tried vt100, | |You did not mention under what circumstances the vi problem occurs. |Are you logging in remotely? Is the file contents visible for |a short moment ? What are your stty settings? By setting term=pc3 or term=ibmpc i can get things to work on the console. when doing remote work, setting freebsd2.1 and the machine i am logging in from to xterm isn't working correctly. here are the stty settings for freebsd: speed 9600 baud; 65 rows; 80 columns; lflags: icanon isig iexten echo echoe -echok echoke -echonl echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho pendin -nokerninfo -extproc iflags: -istrip icrnl -inlcr -igncr ixon -ixoff ixany imaxbel -ignbrk brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk oflags: opost onlcr -oxtabs cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow -dtrflow -mdmbuf cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = ; eol2 = ; erase = ^H; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V; min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W; i thought having xterm on both ends would allow me to make the window larger smaller etc and xterm would take care of it. Starting vi remotely (logged into freebsd) i don't see the file briefly. here are the stty settings for the sparc2: speed 9600 baud, 24 rows, 80 columns -parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal -crtscts -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck -istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel isig iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel erase kill werase rprnt flush lnext susp intr quit stop eof ^H ^U ^W ^R ^O ^V ^Z/^Y ^C ^\ ^S/^Q ^D thanks, dave From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 07:30:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA28829 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28820 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA19059; Mon, 20 May 1996 00:11:00 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605191441.AAA19059@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 00:10:59 +0930 (CST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, archie@whistle.com, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at May 18, 96 11:07:09 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eric J. Schwertfeger stands accused of saying: > And as I've said before, Sorry, I don't have the source to Win95, so I > can't do that. I agree that masquerading isn't a fix-all, or even the > prefered method of handling this, but until Socks5 is to the point that > it can "socksify" programs that I don't have source for, without > interferring with regular operations, and do this under OS/2, Windows > 3.X, NT, and Win95, then my choice is to run linux on our firewall and > use masquerading, or to spend a few weeks of time that I haven't got > figuring out how to proxy a bunch of non-standard services for apps that > I haven't got source for. Netscape supports SOCKS on all platforms. For OS/2, WebEx, Kermit (I believe telnet, but nobody in their right mind uses it) and Gopher grok SOCKS at least. I think this covers about 99% of your firewalled-client requirements. Allowing firewalled systems access to the outer network is Bad Practise. If you're adamant about packet rewriting (fool), then I believe that ipfilt (Darren Reed?) offers this functionality in it's NPT module. Hit the lists archive if you're really desperate, or get with the Program. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 07:48:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA29869 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@chain.iafrica.com [196.7.74.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29848; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from khetan@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA00478; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:12:25 +0200 (SAT) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 16:12:23 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: questions@freebsd.org cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Top not functioning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I recently made world after updating my tree to delta 2002 and extracting the source. Everything seems to be working fine, except for top. The error it gives is top: cannot read swapptr: kvm_read: Bad address Is this a known/fixable error ? TIA, --- Khetan Gajjar Visit at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 07:59:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA00611 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00604 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 07:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA19150; Mon, 20 May 1996 00:41:51 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605191511.AAA19150@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Packet Sniffer for FBSD To: drew@j51.com (Drew Morone) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 00:41:51 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605191402.KAA03444@j51.com> from "Drew Morone" at May 19, 96 10:02:51 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Drew Morone stands accused of saying: > > Last night one of my hosts was dropping packets like crazy. Even after > rebooting it was still limping along. I suspect some sort of network > problem. Does anyone know of a eth sniffer that compiles pretty readily > with FBSD? lovely:~>which tcpdump /usr/sbin/tcpdump > Drew > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 08:27:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01719 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 08:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01706 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 08:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thurston.eng.umd.edu (thurston.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.206]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03939; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by thurston.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18061; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:27:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@thurston.eng.umd.edu To: Lutz Albers cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Glimpse3.5 won't make In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, Lutz Albers wrote: > In article , > Chuck Robey writes: > > - > -On Thu, 16 May 1996, Paul Walsh wrote: > - > -> Can nybody give me a clue how to make Glimpse3.5 on freeBSD. > -> > -> Or know of binaries? > - > -I did the glimpse 3.0 port. 3.5 is pretty new, I didn't know it was > -available, thanks for letting me know. Would you be willing to test out > -a new port for version 3.5 (once I get it done?) > > Hi, > > There are only two patches required: Yeah, my new port has been in Paul Walsh's hands for a couple days now, he's supposed to get back to me. The changes were very minor. I didn't do glimpseHTTP ... why don't you make a port of it? I don't run a web server here, I can't test glimpseHTTP, so I can't make a port of it myself. I would be willing to make a port if someone else is willing to give it a good test ... You? If yes, yes ... I'd like your glimpseHTTP patches. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 09:16:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04804 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.13.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04677 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from vazquez@localhost) by kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (8.7.5/8.6.12/FreeBSD2.1) id NAA15874; Sun, 19 May 1996 13:01:20 GMT From: Pedro A M Vazquez Message-Id: <199605191301.NAA15874@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 13:01:20 +0000 () Cc: ejs@bfd.com, terry@lambert.org, archie@whistle.com, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605191441.AAA19059@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 20, 96 00:10:59 am X-Organization: Instituto de Quimica - Unicamp X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith said: > > If you're adamant about packet rewriting (fool), then I believe that > ipfilt (Darren Reed?) offers this functionality in it's NPT module. > > Hit the lists archive if you're really desperate, or get with the Program. > Yes, ip-filter has a NAT implementation, the URL is: http://coombs.anu.edu.au/ăvalon/ip-filter.html Pedro From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 09:33:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08949 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from base486 (DIAL42.SYNET.NET [168.113.1.46]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08916 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from imdave@localhost) by base486 (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02025 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:33:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:33:49 -0500 From: Dave Bodenstab Message-Id: <199605191633.LAA02025@base486> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Opinions wanted on a non-disclosure agreement Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, It seems that at least one other person thinks that this might be an appropriate place to pose this question. So for anyone familiar with NDAs, or for anyone else who's interested, here goes... I saw an add on the net for a product that sounded interesting. It was targeted for windows users, but the hardware device is what was intriguing. So I contacted the firm and asked if the programming specifications were available. Well, after some thought, they offered to release the specs under a NDA. When I mentioned that I would want to release any software that I write to use the device to the free Unix community, they included what I believe is an attempt to accommodate this scenario. I've included the terms of the NDA (omitting the identity of the firm) below. Here's the pertinent part of the document: -- WHEREAS: -- -- 1. develops and uses valuable technical and non-technical -- confidential and proprietary information. -- -- 2. Licensee is interested in receiving certain confidential -- information from for the purposes of developing -- application software which supports -- -- Therefore, the following are the terms of the agreement under which -- will license the information to licensee: -- -- Licensee understands that is under no obligation to -- offer assistance or technical support on the information -- -- Licensee understands that the confidential information is subject -- to change without notice -- -- Licensee understands that does not make any promises -- or guarantees that revisions and changes to the confidential -- information will be documented in a timely manner -- -- Licensee understands that the information is copyrighted. As such, -- copying and distribution of this information is prohibited under -- copyright law. -- -- Licensee understands that the confidential information will be -- delivered "as is". No warranties are given, whether express, -- implied or statutory, including implied warranties of fitness of -- merchantability. In no event will be liable for any -- incidental or consequential damages or any liability in tort incurred -- by or under agreement or the delivery of information to licensee -- -- All confidential information disclosed by shall remain -- the property of . is not hereby granting -- or extending to licensee any rights of any kind under any patent, -- copyright, trademark, or other intellectual property right which -- may not have or may obtain with respect to the confidential -- information. -- -- In the case of operating systems where software is distributed in -- the form of source code, the source code can be distributed provided -- the following statement is included at the top of all -- related, distributable source code files: "This software was created -- with the help of proprietary information belonging to ." -- -- Licensee shall use the confidential information only for the above -- stated purposes, unless otherwise agreed to by further written -- agreement of the parties, and shall keep confidential and not -- disclose the confidential information to another person, firm or -- corporation. Now, the problem I have is that the last two terms seem contradictory. If I release the source under the 2nd to last term, then any third party can discern the *proprietary information* by examining the source, thus, I would be violating the last term. [[ I don't have any legal background, but isn't it true that a contract that contradicts itself is not enforceable wrt to those parts -- not that I want to get into a legal dispute with anyone (btw, it just affects the certain parts of the contract, the other parts of the contract are still valid.) ]] The company apparently wants to retain the right to patent their software and believes that releasing the interface specs would somehow interfere with this. Not that I care... I don't want their software, I just want to talk to their hardware from my FreeBSD box! Bottom line then: since this would be just a project for *fun*, does this look like its something that I should consider getting involved with? Thanks for your comments (and putting up with this *long* post) Dave Bodenstab imdave@synet.net From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 09:44:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA10965 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [204.214.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10952 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 09:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max3-153.HiWAAY.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id AA10800; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:44:06 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <319EBC6F.215C@tcd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:36:57 -0500 To: Luke , questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: EDO RAM Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 1:15 AM -0500 5/19/96, Luke wrote: >Hi, > I have a pentium 100 with 16MB or regular ram however, >I would like to upgrade to 32MB and the store I am getting my RAM from >sells the EDO about a dollar cheaper per 8MB simm I was wondering if >anyone knows if I can upgrade to 4 8MB simms mixed (ie 2 8Mb simms and 2 >EDO 8MB simms on the same mother board? Sure can. But you have to stay with the least common denominator when you set your BIOS stuff. You can't enable EDO timing. You can't enable parity (unless you have parity EDO, which I've never seen). The EDO memory is probably $1 cheaper than non-EDO becuse the non-EDO has parity (and therefore has 12% more memory). If you already have parity memory and you have a MB that supports parity memory, I'd stay with parity. So what are you talking about saving? $2? If you really want to experience the 3% performance boost of EDO you should ask about trading your current memory toward the purchase of new memory. And while you are at it get 16M (not 8M) sticks so you will be ready for your next memory upgrade. -- David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net ============================================================= To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. - Thomas Edison From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 11:02:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00621 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rasputin.net1plus.com (RASPUTIN.NET1PLUS.COM [206.119.151.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00596 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.105.155.54] by rasputin.net1plus.com (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-12238) with SMTP id AAA176 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 13:56:26 -0400 Message-ID: <319F61F1.3A1A@net1plus.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:01:21 -0400 From: "Scott A. Lagos" Reply-To: slagos@net1plus.com Organization: NET1Plus Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How many IP addresses can be supported on a single Ethernet card when running under the latest version of FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 11:23:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA03078 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03064 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA19308; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:22:29 +0100 (BST) To: slagos@net1plus.com cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 May 1996 14:01:21 EDT." <319F61F1.3A1A@net1plus.com> Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:22:27 +0100 Message-ID: <19306.832530147@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Scott A. Lagos" wrote in message ID <319F61F1.3A1A@net1plus.com>: > How many IP addresses can be supported on a single Ethernet card when > running under the latest version of FreeBSD. If you are talking about ``aliased'' addresses, such as used when creating virtual WWW servers, FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE can support as many aliases as you can fit in memory. In theory all 4294967296 (i.e. 2^32) IP v4 addresses could be supported on one interface. I believe that at least one person has over 200 aliased addresses on his machine. Certainly in testing a full class C address space (if not more, I can't remember how far the testing went) has been aliased onto a single interface without problem. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 11:47:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA04735 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunel.uk1.vbc.net (brunel.uk1.vbc.net [204.137.194.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04719 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gordon@localhost) by brunel.uk1.vbc.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA03868; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:48:20 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:48:19 +0100 (BST) From: Gordon Henderson X-Sender: gordon@brunel.uk1.vbc.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD + INN 1.4u3 + MMAP - anyone? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone using ACT_STYLE MMAP and -DMMAP in DBZFLAGS in INN1.4unoff3 with FreeBSD 2.1 or 2.2-960501-SNAP? If so .. does it work ok or does it break ... And if it works how much difference is it making? Gordon -- Gordon Henderson gordon@vbc.net VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.uk.vbc.net/ Bristol, England +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 11:57:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA05448 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05441 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 11:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corona (jrclark@indy1.indy.net [199.3.65.5]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA01626 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 13:57:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 13:57:12 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960519140200.002d7ea8@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: John Clark Subject: 3Com Support? -- NOT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD Group, I was hoping someone could help me with my 3c509 woes. I have read many many questions about the 3c509 card, with no good answers for my problem. The largest source of problems seems to be those who are having irq trouble. This is not my trouble as I have reconfigured, and recompiled at irq's 5, 7, and 10 (orig) with no joy. My system boots and recognizes everything ok, but hangs when adding the default route. Any ideas? I saw the 3c509 worked FreeBSD, so I used it. I also ordered and received a 3c590 (pci) board, but after reading about the poor support for 3com products in the help archives, it would appear to be an EXTREMELY poor choice (ie. no busmaster support). Might I suggest you have 2 hardware lists: "Works" and "Almost Works." I know you all want to make it look like FreeBSD supports many hardware configurations, but you and I both know that that is not true. I just built a system from scratch, being careful to buy products that were supported by FreeBSD only to find out that your hardware compatibility list was bullcrap. Why not have a list of _FULLY_ supported hardware? I would have much preferred to buy my hardware from that list... I now need to buy ANOTHER NIC, and I don't know which brand to buy. I know your hardware compatibility list can not be trusted, so where do I turn? What am I supposed to do? Does the 3c509 card really work? Confused; --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 12:07:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05844 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbrann.dialup.access.net (jbrann.dialup.access.net [166.84.193.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05838 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jbrann@localhost) by jbrann.dialup.access.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00457; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:11:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199605191911.PAA00457@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted on a non-disclosure agreement To: imdave@synet.net (Dave Bodenstab) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org (freeq) In-Reply-To: <199605191633.LAA02025@base486> from Dave Bodenstab at "May 19, 96 11:33:49 am" From: John Brann Reply-To: John Brann Organisation: Not while I'm at home X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave Bodenstab wrote... > [Text of NDA removed...] #include "PinchOfSalt" I have no legal training, but I am a principal of a commercial software company and I do have a software patent pending. (I guess this makes me a member of the Legions of Darkness in some peoples' book, but I digress.) I have to deal with copyright and patent issues every week, so I have more than a layman's exposure to this stuff. > Now, the problem I have is that the last two terms seem contradictory. > If I release the source under the 2nd to last term, then any third > party can discern the *proprietary information* by examining the source, > thus, I would be violating the last term. No, I don't think so. Copyright inheres in a representation of a piece of information, not the information itself. So deriving source code from the copyrighted material, and distributing the source code is OK, as long as you don't ship the actual material (or parts of it) you obtained from the company. [...] > > The company apparently wants to retain the right to patent their software > and believes that releasing the interface specs would somehow interfere > with this. Not that I care... I don't want their software, I just > want to talk to their hardware from my FreeBSD box! > This is a different matter entirely. Whereas (I must spend too much time talking to lawyers if I'm using words like that :-) copyright inheres in the representation, patent rights exist in the idea itself. Disclosing the nature of the idea before jumping through the appropriate hoops with the Patent and Trademark Office can invalidate their patent claim. Now, if they are trying to patent software and you want programming interface information, there should be no problem. You will produce a driver (or something) which emulates their (very clever and original) driver. Therefore there is no crossover of ideas, and you are not invalidating their patent rights... UNLESS the clever thing they are trying to patent is obviously deducible from the nature of the hardware interface. Judging that is tricky, and lawyers and courts are _extremely_ bad at it. This is the only Intellectual Property problem I see here. To summarize... If they haven't started their patent application, then they may be in trouble here IFF the material they have to give you documenting the hardware can be shown to make the software idea they are patenting clear to a 'competent practitioner'. > Bottom line then: since this would be just a project for *fun*, does > this look like its something that I should consider getting involved with? Don't write it off yet. It's probably the case that the info you want is only going to fall into the copyright field, so you can sign the NDA and have some fun. The only remaining danger I see is that if _you_ sign the NDA, only you will be privy to updates, if any arise. So if the hardware interface changes, either you fix it or the freeware driver dies. > > Thanks for your comments (and putting up with this *long* post) > > > Dave Bodenstab > imdave@synet.net > John -- Beavis and Butt-Head; Vladimir and Estragon for the '90s. finger jbrann@panix.com for pgp public key From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 12:47:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09807 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09794; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199605191947.MAA09794@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: 3Com Support? -- NOT To: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu (John Clark) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960519140200.002d7ea8@felix.iupui.edu> from "John Clark" at May 19, 96 01:57:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Clark wrote: > > FreeBSD Group, > > I was hoping someone could help me with my 3c509 woes. I have read many > many questions about the 3c509 card, with no good answers for my problem. > The largest source of problems seems to be those who are having irq trouble. > This is not my trouble as I have reconfigured, and recompiled at irq's 5, 7, > and 10 (orig) with no joy. i have a 3com 3C509 and have used it for a couple years now. what can i do to help you? if you are using 10baseT, please remember to add -link2 to the ifconfig line for ep0. how about sending me your kernel config file and the output of dmesg. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 12:49:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA10296 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from feyuri.microsoft.com (feyuri.microsoft.com [131.107.243.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10288; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by feyuri.microsoft.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.948.0) id <01BB4581.99A97D20@feyuri.microsoft.com>; Sun, 19 May 1996 12:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Scott Overholser (Volt Computer) (Exchange)" To: "'Scott Overholser'" , "'Doug Wellington'" Cc: "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: sendmail read errors/timeouts etc. Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:49:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.948.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk good questions...i didn't include this info in the mail since it was pretty wordy already and the system is a stock freebsd system - no surprises. the sendmail version is 8.6.12. i didn't keep my sendmail.cf from before. the sendmail.cf i'm using is the one that is installed with the stock system with the only change being the addition of "remuda.com" to the Cw line. the timeouts i set are all either 1 hour (for stuff like mail, and quit) and 2 hours for rcpt and data. the defaults are usually about 10 minutes. the gateway is very lightly loaded. also, telnet to port 25 of the problem sites works just fine. one more detail that i should have mentioned before. the sites that i have trouble with don't seem to have anything in common. the microsoft folks are obviously running ms exchange with the smtp gateway on winders nt. i think the nintendo site is linux and it's running smap. i don't have a clue what msn is using but gonna guess that winders nt is involved. i'd like to reiterate that the problems are 100% reproducable with the sites i'm having trouble with while mail to everyone else works just fine. i did some testing with another freebsd box (stock install again) and the sites that are causing problems for my box don't affect it (i built both, both are on different net connections). i stole it's sendmail.cf but it didn't help. i'm gonna rebuild and see if that helps. i'll post results to the lists. scotto >---------- >From: Doug Wellington[SMTP:doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov] >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 1996 12:26 AM >To: Scott Overholser >Cc: Scott Overholser (Volt Computer) (Exchange); >freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; >freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG; >doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov >Subject: Re: sendmail read errors/timeouts etc. > >Previously: >>i recently replaced my email gateway with a freebsd 2.1.0 box. prior to >>that it was a linux box (different hardware) running sendmail 8.6.11 and >>100% trouble free. now though, i am seeing sendmail errors when sending to >>a few select sites. in addition, i see them when i receive from the same >>sites. > >Well, I'm gonna start with a couple dumb questions... What version of >sendmail are you running? I think the most recent is 8.7.5... When you >switched, did you keep a copy of your old sendmail.cf? Have you done a >diff on the old vs. the new? I know you said that your timeouts were >very high, but exactly what is the r option? I used to run with 15m, >but that isn't long enough anymore. Try at least 30m or maybe even 1h >or more... Also, do you have any problems with a connection to those sites >if you do it manually (with telnet)? How heavily is your gateway loaded? >If you have a heavy load, you may want to consider using a more efficient >mailer than sendmail... > >-Doug > >Doug Wellington >doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov >System and Network Administrator >US Geological Survey, Tucson, AZ Project Office > >According to proposed Federal guidelines, this message is a "non-record". >Hmm, I wonder if _everything_ I say is a "non-record"... > >FreeBSD and Apache - the best real tools for the virtual world! >Check out www.freebsd.org and www.apache.org, and for you music >types, check out TCLMidi... > >God, I wonder what Apple is going to mess up next? Have they been >taking lessons from Novell? > From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 13:58:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA22769 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 13:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from okjunc.junction.net (root@okjunc.junction.net [199.166.227.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22718; Sun, 19 May 1996 13:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by okjunc.junction.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA26446; Sun, 19 May 1996 13:13:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 13:56:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dillon To: a-scotov@microsoft.com cc: "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: sendmail read errors/timeouts etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, Scott Overholser (Volt Computer) (Exchange) wrote: > nt. i think the nintendo site is linux and it's running smap. Uhhhh... bash$ /usr/sbin/nslookup -q=mx nintendo.com Server: sidhe.memra.com Address: 10.10.10.1 nintendo.com preference = 1, mail exchanger = samus.nintendo.com nintendo.com nameserver = orcu.or.br.np.els-gms.att.net nintendo.com nameserver = ohcu.oh.mt.np.els-gms.att.net samus.nintendo.com internet address = 205.166.76.2 orcu.or.br.np.els-gms.att.net internet address = 199.191.129.139 ohcu.oh.mt.np.els-gms.att.net internet address = 199.191.144.75 bash$ telnet samus.nintendo.com 25 Trying 205.166.76.2... Connected to samus.nintendo.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220- samus.nintendo.com Sendmail 950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI.AUTO ready at Sun, 19 May 1996 13:52:13 -0700 220 ESMTP spoken here quit In the past I have heard that SGI's can cause some problems with other TCP/IP stacks because they have some internal timings tuned too fast. This was in relation to http. Could there be a connection? Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 14:44:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA25174 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 14:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@chain.iafrica.com [196.7.74.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25156; Sun, 19 May 1996 14:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from khetan@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA01256; Sun, 19 May 1996 23:43:58 +0200 (SAT) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:43:58 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: questions@freebsd.org cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: top : a updated situation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. In my previous message I stated top refused to load. I pkg_del' it, and then tried to make it again. This is what I got : [chain] /usr/ports/sysutils/top# make Checksums OK. ===> Extracting for top-3.3 ===> Patching for top-3.3 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for top-3.3 ===> Configuring for top-3.3 cp /usr/ports/sysutils/top/files/defaults /usr/ports/sysutils/top/work/.defaults cp /usr/ports/sysutils/top/files/m_freebsd2.* /usr/ports/sysutils/top/work/machine Reading configuration from last time... Using these settings: Bourne Shell /bin/sh C compiler cc Compiler options -DHAVE_GETOPT -O Awk command awk Install command ./install Module freebsd2 LoadMax 5.0 Default TOPN -1 Nominal TOPN 18 Default Delay 2 Random passwd access yes Table Size 47 Owner root Group Owner kmem Mode 2755 bin directory $(PREFIX)/bin man directory $(PREFIX)/man/man1 man extension 1 man style man Building Makefile... Building top.local.h... Building top.1... Doing a "make clean". rm -f *.o top core core.* sigdesc.h To create the executable, type "make". ===> Building for top-3.3 cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c top.c awk -f sigconv.awk /usr/include/sys/signal.h >sigdesc.h cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c commands.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c display.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c screen.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c username.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c utils.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c version.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c getopt.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c machine.c machine.c: In function `swapmode': machine.c:790: storage size of `swaplist' isn't known *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. [chain] /usr/ports/sysutils/top# --- Khetan Gajjar Visit at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 15:07:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA26288 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26283 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA11812; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:06:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Veggy Vinny To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Support for HP DeskJet 855C Printer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings everyone, Does anyone know if there is full support for the HP DeskJet 855C Printer under ghostscript and apsfilter? Thanks. Cheers, -Vince- richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU - vince@COSC.GOV - vince@cygnus.sy.yale.edu GUS Mailing Lists Admin - http://www.COSC.GOV/~vince UC Berkeley AstroPhysics - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Chabot Observatory & Science Center - Oakland, California USA Computing Networking Operations - Advisory Council Member Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! Linda Wong/Vivian Chow/Hacken Lee/Danny Chan/Priscilla Chan Fan Club Mailing Lists Admin 1996 Estoril Blue BMW ///M3 - BMW CCA Member Golden Gate Chapter From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 15:07:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA26326 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nol.net (root@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26320; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dazed.nol.net (blh@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by nol.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17171; Sun, 19 May 1996 17:07:10 -0500 (CDT) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 17:07:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brett L. Hawn" To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: John Clark , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Com Support? -- NOT In-Reply-To: <199605191947.MAA09794@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > John Clark wrote: > > > > FreeBSD Group, > > > > I was hoping someone could help me with my 3c509 woes. I have read many > > many questions about the 3c509 card, with no good answers for my problem. > > The largest source of problems seems to be those who are having irq trouble. > > This is not my trouble as I have reconfigured, and recompiled at irq's 5, 7, > > and 10 (orig) with no joy. > > i have a 3com 3C509 and have used it for a couple years now. > what can i do to help you? > > if you are using 10baseT, please remember to add -link2 to > the ifconfig line for ep0. > Now thats interesting, I use 3c509's at home and at work and didn't have to add a -link2 to anything. In fact here is the ifconfig statement from my /etc/syconfig: ifconfig_ep0="inet 206.126.50.111 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 206.126.50.255" Its pretty much the same with all my fbsd boxes, and to be honest, I've never had a problem with it, now my kingston nic card... well.. thats another story. Oh yeah, here's the relevant chunk from my kernel config file: device ep0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 12 vector epintr I've come to the conclusion that trying to put a 3c509 on port 0x300 is just plain silly, no matter the OS, every manufacturer and their brother wants to sit on 0x300 by default. Brett From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 15:10:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA26519 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26498; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id XAA19830; Sun, 19 May 1996 23:08:46 +0100 (BST) To: Khetan Gajjar cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: top : a updated situation In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 19 May 1996 23:43:58 +0200." Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 23:08:45 +0100 Message-ID: <19828.832543725@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Khetan Gajjar wrote in message ID : > cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c getopt.c > cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c machine.c > machine.c: In function `swapmode': > machine.c:790: storage size of `swaplist' isn't known This is because the swaplist stuff changed in -current a couple of months back. I'll send a copy of files/m_freebsd2.c in private e-mail which should allow the port to compile if I remember right. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 15:20:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA27970 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yuri.microsoft.com (exchange.microsoft.com [131.107.243.48]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27961; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yuri.microsoft.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB4596.996A44B0@yuri.microsoft.com>; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:19:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Scott Overholser (Volt Computer) (Exchange)" To: "'Michael Dillon'" Cc: "'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: sendmail read errors/timeouts etc. Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 15:05:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk actually, the domain of interest for nintendo of america is "noa.com" and the mail host is called bowser.noa.com. i've never sent mail to nintendo.com. i have not discovered anything in common among the sites i'm having trouble with (other than the fact that my box is having trouble with all of them - hmm maybe that should tell me something %^) i'm surprised that with all the folks that've had problems with this in the various versions of freebsd over the last year that nobody really nailed it down. i was gonna search the netbsd list archives but they aren't as easy to get at as the freebsd archives are (no smurfy html form - gotta go get 'em and grep through 'em) - i thought it'd be interesting to find out if the netbsd'ers have experienced the same difficulties. oh well, that'll be that bottom of the barrel strategy. scotto >---------- >From: Michael Dillon[SMTP:michael@memra.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 19, 1996 1:56 PM >To: Scott Overholser (Volt Computer) (Exchange) >Cc: 'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'; 'freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG'; >'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'; 'freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG' >Subject: RE: sendmail read errors/timeouts etc. > >On Sun, 19 May 1996, Scott Overholser (Volt Computer) (Exchange) wrote: > >> nt. i think the nintendo site is linux and it's running smap. > >Uhhhh... > >bash$ /usr/sbin/nslookup -q=mx nintendo.com >Server: sidhe.memra.com >Address: 10.10.10.1 > >nintendo.com preference = 1, mail exchanger = samus.nintendo.com >nintendo.com nameserver = orcu.or.br.np.els-gms.att.net >nintendo.com nameserver = ohcu.oh.mt.np.els-gms.att.net >samus.nintendo.com internet address = 205.166.76.2 >orcu.or.br.np.els-gms.att.net internet address = 199.191.129.139 >ohcu.oh.mt.np.els-gms.att.net internet address = 199.191.144.75 >bash$ telnet samus.nintendo.com 25 >Trying 205.166.76.2... >Connected to samus.nintendo.com. >Escape character is '^]'. >220- samus.nintendo.com Sendmail 950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI.AUTO >ready >at Sun, 19 May 1996 13:52:13 -0700 >220 ESMTP spoken here >quit > >In the past I have heard that SGI's can cause some problems with other >TCP/IP stacks because they have some internal timings tuned too fast. >This was in relation to http. Could there be a connection? > >Michael Dillon Voice: >+1-604-546-8022 >Memra Software Inc. Fax: >+1-604-546-3049 >http://www.memra.com E-mail: >michael@memra.com > > From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 15:39:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA01447 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01424; Sun, 19 May 1996 15:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ab09155; 19 May 96 22:39 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa15420; 19 May 96 23:38 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA07920; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:18:20 GMT Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:18:20 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605191918.TAA07920@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: khetan@iafrica.com CC: questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Khetan Gajjar on Sun, 19 May 1996 16:12:23 +0200 (SAT)) Subject: Re: Top not functioning Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I recently made world after updating my tree to delta 2002 and extracting > the source. Everything seems to be working fine, except for top. > > The error it gives is top: cannot read swapptr: kvm_read: Bad address > > Is this a known/fixable error ? Yes, top is very system-dependent and needs to be re-compiled after re-making the world (ps is similar, but 'make world' handles this automatically). If you're upgrading from 2.1.0-RELEASE, your best bet is to get the latest version from ports-current, as this has been kept coordinated with all the system changes. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland jraynard@dial.pipex.com james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 16:35:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07865 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tulpi.interconnect.com.au (root@tulpi.interconnect.com.au [192.189.54.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07860 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ahill@localhost) by tulpi.interconnect.com.au id JAA28899 (8.7.4/IDA-1.6); Mon, 20 May 1996 09:34:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:34:28 +1000 (EST) From: Anthony Hill To: jolp cc: questions@FreeBSD.com Subject: Re: where's crypt(1) In-Reply-To: <19c16520@peerlogic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 May 1996, jolp wrote: > > Is there any way to set a user's password non-interactively? > > passwd doesn't seem to work with stdin. Also, the chpass program requires > modules (DES) that have been left out of the 2.1.0 release. > > Can anyone tell me wher I can get the other modules? You can write an expect script that uses the passwd command, or you can use the perl 'crypt' command, and write a script that encypts the password and writes it directly to the master.passwd file. (steal ideas from the 'adduser' script in 2.1R.) Anthony From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 16:40:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA08157 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bonsai.its.utas.edu.au (root@bonsai.its.utas.edu.au [131.217.13.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA08146 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bonsai.its.utas.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA08065; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:37:45 +1000 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:37:44 +1000 (EST) From: Charlie ROOT To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-Reply-To: <199605191301.NAA15874@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Sorry to stick an uneducated oar in the water but where does something like SLiRP fit in to all this? According to the documentation SLiRP allows you to connect a network of hosts to the internet without needing globablly unique numbers (ie you can use 10.0.2.xxx for your hosts). Dose this contravene the rfcs? Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 17:00:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09150 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 17:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tchnet.tchnet.com (tchnet.tchnet.com [198.109.196.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA09145 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 17:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dashadow@localhost) by tchnet.tchnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA29687; Sun, 19 May 1996 20:00:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 20:00:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hart To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: A few questions for a friend Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A friend of my has FreeBSD setup at home on a P75 with 16mb of ram, and he is trying to setup a dumb terminal to use while he has a PPP connection going. (Hence two users at home over one line.) My question is how do we go about doing this? I have already seen the FAQ and that didn't seem to help all that much. What I have done so far is setup /etc/ttys and connected the computers via a Null-modem cable. Now, from what I understand I should be able to turn them on and I should get a login from the remote term, right? Can anyone help me out a bit here, I don't know where to go with this one... John From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 17:02:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09229 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 17:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09220 for FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 19 May 1996 17:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 17:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Message-Id: <199605200002.RAA09220@freefall.freebsd.org> To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. =================================================== Last update 7 May 1996. This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the questions (the "hackers"**). In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the different viewpoints of the two groups. The newcomers accused the hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English, and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration. In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions. I'm taking the viewpoint of the newcomer here: we have other ways of handling arrogant hackers :-) When submitting a question to FreeBSD-questions, please remember: 1. Nobody gets paid for answering a FreeBSD question. They do it of their own free will. You can influence this free will positively by submitting a well-formulated question supplying as much relevant information as possible. You can influence this free will negatively by submitting an incomplete, illegible, or rude question. It's perfectly possible to send a message to FreeBSD-questions and not get an answer. In the rest of this document, we'll look at how to get the most out of your question to FreeBSD-questions. 2. Not everybody who answers FreeBSD questions reads every message, so please specify a subject. "FreeBSD problem" or "Can't get this to work" aren't enough. If you provide no subject at all, most people won't bother reading it. If your subject isn't specific enough, the people who can answer it may not read it. 3. Please try to format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!!!!!. We appreciate that a lot of people don't speak English as their first language, and we try to make allowances for that, but it's really painful to try to read a message written full of typos or without any line breaks. 4. Please don't include unrelated questions in the same message. Firstly, a long message tends to scare people off, and secondly, it's more difficult to get all the people who can answer all the questions to read the message. 5. Please specify as much information as possible. This is a difficult area, and we need to expand on what information you need to submit, but here's a start: - If you get error messages, don't say "I get error messages", say (for example) "I get the error message 'No route to host'". - If your system panics, don't say "My system panicked", say (for example) "my system panicked with the message 'free vnode isn't'". - If you have difficulty installing FreeBSD, please tell us what hardware you have. In particular, it's important to know the IRQs and I/O addresses of the boards installed in your machine. 6. If you don't get an answer, there could be other reasons. For example, the problem is so complicated that nobody knows the answer, or the person who does know the answer was offline. If you don't get an answer after, say, a week, it might help to re-send the message. If you don't get an answer to your second message, though, you're probably not going to get one from this forum. Resending the same message again and again will only make you unpopular. For example, let's assume you know the answer to the following question. You choose which of these two questions you would be more prepared to answer: Message 1: Subject: (none) I just can't get hits damn silly FereBSD system to workd, and Im really good at this tsuff, but I have never seen anythign sho difficult to install, it jst wont work whatever I try so why don't y9ou guys tell me what I doing wrong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message 2: Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD I've just got the FreeBSD 2.1 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, and I'm having a lot of difficulty installing it. I have a 66 MHz 486 with 16 MB of memory and an Adaptec 1540A SCSI board, a 1.2GB Quantum Fireball disk and a Toshiba 3501XA CD-ROM drive. The installation works just fine, but when I try to reboot the system, I get the message "Missing Operating System". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking into other people's computers. The correct term for this activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out yet. The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking security, and have nothing to do with it. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:14:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA12133 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [204.97.248.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12124 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buxton-17.ime.net (buxton-17.ime.net [206.231.149.26]) by ime.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA05472 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 21:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <319FC78B.69BD@mainelink.net> Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 21:14:51 -0400 From: Gary Chrysler Organization: The Computer Guy X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: User PPP & dev/tun Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all. I'm trying to setup user ppp on my 2.0r box! I added the pseudo-device tun to my config file, It compiles fine! Tried to add the tun0 dev entry! MAKEDEV has no capabilities to make this device! I also noticed that it states in the handbook sec 11.1 that it wasn't introduced untill 2.0.5.. Does this mean that I'm outta luck? How hard/much work would it be to implement it? I know I should upgrade. And I want to! except: 1) I only have a dialup connection, I imagine I would tic somebody off if I downloaded the source tree.. Although the thought has crossed my mind.. :) 2) I don't want to buy 2.1 just to have 2.2 come out a week later.. :) I'll wait and buy the 2.2 CD.. Thanks Gary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Improve America's Knowledge... Share yours The Borg... Where minds meet (207) 929-3848 From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:24:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA12900 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12888 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20327; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:07:06 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200137.LAA20327@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted on a non-disclosure agreement To: imdave@synet.net (Dave Bodenstab) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:07:05 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605191633.LAA02025@base486> from "Dave Bodenstab" at May 19, 96 11:33:49 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave Bodenstab stands accused of saying: > -- > -- In the case of operating systems where software is distributed in > -- the form of source code, the source code can be distributed provided > -- the following statement is included at the top of all > -- related, distributable source code files: "This software was created > -- with the help of proprietary information belonging to ." > -- > -- Licensee shall use the confidential information only for the above > -- stated purposes, unless otherwise agreed to by further written > -- agreement of the parties, and shall keep confidential and not > -- disclose the confidential information to another person, firm or > -- corporation. > > Now, the problem I have is that the last two terms seem contradictory. > If I release the source under the 2nd to last term, then any third > party can discern the *proprietary information* by examining the source, > thus, I would be violating the last term. It's a tough one. I would perhaps ask the company for clarification of the last paragraph, perhaps by appending "other than as my be discerned from source code or comments as described in the previous clause". They may want to go further and restrict you from quoting their documentation verbatim in your comments and such, which is a bit tight but not unreasonable. Nevertheless, this is a pretty significant concession for them to make, and it shows that they're happy with the spirit of the deal. If you can ensure that they understand that it may be possible to discern some of the 'confidential information' from the code you may write while in posession of the information, and they accept this, then you're home dry. > The company apparently wants to retain the right to patent their software > and believes that releasing the interface specs would somehow interfere > with this. Not that I care... I don't want their software, I just > want to talk to their hardware from my FreeBSD box! Understandable. I think that they would be concerned of running foul of the 'prior art' issue with their patent application. Which is stupid, patenting software is a joke. > Bottom line then: since this would be just a project for *fun*, does > this look like its something that I should consider getting involved with? Yes! Just put lots of comments in your code, so that once you've gone on to something else, it's possible to work on the code without the 'confidential information' 8) > Dave Bodenstab -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:26:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA13112 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13104 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20337; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:09:01 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200139.LAA20337@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: To: slagos@net1plus.com Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:09:01 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <319F61F1.3A1A@net1plus.com> from "Scott A. Lagos" at May 19, 96 02:01:21 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott A. Lagos stands accused of saying: > > How many IP addresses can be supported on a single Ethernet card when > running under the latest version of FreeBSD. Thousands. I got bored at about the 5,000 mark, but nothing popped up to stop me. (20 class C aliases). -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:31:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA13455 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13446 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20350; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:12:56 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200142.LAA20350@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD + INN 1.4u3 + MMAP - anyone? To: gordon@vbc.net (Gordon Henderson) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:12:55 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Gordon Henderson" at May 19, 96 07:48:19 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gordon Henderson stands accused of saying: > > Anyone using ACT_STYLE MMAP and -DMMAP in DBZFLAGS in INN1.4unoff3 with > FreeBSD 2.1 or 2.2-960501-SNAP? > > If so .. does it work ok or does it break ... And if it works how much > difference is it making? There are problems, but FreeBSD's I/O is so good that it's generally faster without, as far as general opinion is concerned. > Gordon Henderson gordon@vbc.net -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:36:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14068 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14063 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id CAA20485; Mon, 20 May 1996 02:36:37 +0100 (BST) To: Gary Chrysler cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: User PPP & dev/tun In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 May 1996 21:14:51 EDT." <319FC78B.69BD@mainelink.net> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 02:36:36 +0100 Message-ID: <20483.832556196@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Chrysler wrote in message ID <319FC78B.69BD@mainelink.net>: > Does this mean that I'm outta luck? Most likely, unless you are a kernel hacker. > How hard/much work would it be to implement it? Probably quite a lot. There were a significant (i.e. large) number of changes between 2.0R and 2.0.5R in the kernel which could make back-porting the driver difficult. > 2) I don't want to buy 2.1 just to have 2.2 come out a week later.. :) > I'll wait and buy the 2.2 CD.. 2.2 will NOT be out for some time (I would guess it would be near the end of the year). The next release will be 2.1.1, and is still at least a month from net release (my best guess anyhow) and it would be about another 2-3 weeks after that before the CD hit the streets. Yours *THE* Gary :-) -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:42:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14419 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from one.mind.net (one.mind.net [206.99.66.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14413 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from takhus.mind.net (takhus.mind.net [206.99.66.70]) by one.mind.net (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA01814 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:41:44 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960520014420.009ca85c@mind.net> X-Sender: fleisher@mind.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 18:44:20 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Anthony D Fleisher Subject: HELP! Unable to boot Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have a FreeBSD2.1 machine that we recently upgraded to a 486-133VL motherboard, and am unable to get FreeBSD to boot. I am using a BusLogic BT-445C VL scsi adapter with 2 scsi disks. This configuration worked just fine on our previous motherboard, but after switching to the new one, the kernel refuses to boot. (Tried 2 customized kernels, as well as the boot.flp with same result) It hangs on: Waiting for scsi devices to settle Is this a problem with motherboard bios configuration? I have tried disable both internal and external cache, but nothing seems to affect this problem. Does anyone know what could cause this problem? I have been able to boot to DOS from a boot disk with no problem. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, --------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Fleisher InfoStructure fleisher@mind.net 611 Siskiyou Blvd. voice:541-488-1962 fax:541-488-7599 Ashland OR 97520 --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:52:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14895 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14890 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id CAA20529; Mon, 20 May 1996 02:51:10 +0100 (BST) To: Michael Smith cc: slagos@net1plus.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 11:09:01 +0930." <199605200139.LAA20337@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 02:51:08 +0100 Message-ID: <20527.832557068@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote in message ID <199605200139.LAA20337@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>: > Scott A. Lagos stands accused of saying: > > > > How many IP addresses can be supported on a single Ethernet card when > > running under the latest version of FreeBSD. > > Thousands. I got bored at about the 5,000 mark, but nothing popped up to > stop me. (20 class C aliases). *ONLY* 5000? Anyone got a registered class B or A address space they want to volunteer for testing? :-) (just kidding) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:55:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA15035 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15028 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20428; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:38:11 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200208.LAA20428@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: root@bonsai.its.utas.edu.au (Charlie ROOT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:38:11 +0930 (CST) Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Charlie ROOT" at May 20, 96 09:37:44 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Charlie ROOT stands accused of saying: > > Hi, > > Sorry to stick an uneducated oar in the water but where does something > like SLiRP fit in to all this? > > According to the documentation > SLiRP allows you to connect a network of hosts to the internet without needing > globablly unique numbers (ie you can use 10.0.2.xxx for your hosts). > > Dose this contravene the rfcs? Not really. SLiRP only works on serial interfaces though. (you could theoretically hang it off a 'tun' device though, with a bit of hackery) > Andrew -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 18:59:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA15192 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA15187; Sun, 19 May 1996 18:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20447; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:42:42 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200212.LAA20447@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:42:41 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, slagos@net1plus.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20527.832557068@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at May 20, 96 02:51:08 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer stands accused of saying: > > Michael Smith wrote in message ID > <199605200139.LAA20337@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>: > > Scott A. Lagos stands accused of saying: > > > > > > How many IP addresses can be supported on a single Ethernet card when > > > running under the latest version of FreeBSD. > > > > Thousands. I got bored at about the 5,000 mark, but nothing popped up to > > stop me. (20 class C aliases). > > *ONLY* 5000? Anyone got a registered class B or A address space they > want to volunteer for testing? :-) (just kidding) > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun May 19 19:02:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA15343 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:02:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15338 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20463; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:45:03 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605200215.LAA20463@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: User PPP & dev/tun To: tcg@mainelink.net (Gary Chrysler) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:45:03 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <319FC78B.69BD@mainelink.net> from "Gary Chrysler" at May 19, 96 09:14:51 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Chrysler stands accused of saying: > I'm trying to setup user ppp on my 2.0r box! > I added the pseudo-device tun to my config file, It compiles fine! > Tried to add the tun0 dev entry! > MAKEDEV has no capabilities to make this device! Naturally. You'll have to make it yourself. Dig the major and minor numbers out of /sys/i386/i386/conf.c. > I know I should upgrade. And I want to! except: > 1) I only have a dialup connection, I imagine I would tic somebody > off if I downloaded the source tree.. Although the thought has > crossed my mind.. :) Not a good way to go from 2.0R. > 2) I don't want to buy 2.1 just to have 2.2 come out a week later.. :) > I'll wait and buy the 2.2 CD.. The 2.2CD will be out around december or so at current estimates. The 2.1.1 (-stable) disc will be out in a month or two that way things are going. > Gary -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 00:15:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA29462 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 00:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harrier.elcom.ivano-frankivsk.ua (root@harrier.elcom.ivano-frankivsk.ua [193.124.63.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA29455 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 00:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from univers.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by harrier.elcom.ivano-frankivsk.ua (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id KAA05054 for questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:12:22 +0300 Received: by univers.chernovtsy.ua; Mon, 20 May 96 09:40:01 +0000 Received: by nnk.univers.chernovtsy.ua (UUPC/@ v6.14, 01Mar95); id AA26685 Mon, 20 May 1996 09:20:25 +0300 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: Organization: Department of Computer Sciences From: "Oleg N.Kolesnikov" Date: Mon, 20 May 96 09:20:25 +0300 X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v1.36h] Subject: [Q]: What is the best way to backup ? Lines: 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello ! I have 2 FreeBSD machines in a local network, connected using TCP/IP via ethernet cards. Lets call them 1 and 2. I nfs_mounted HDD of 2 to 1 and then tar xzvf'ed. But I read, that there is a special utility to do this more productively called dump. So what do you think is the best way to backup ? Thanks in advance, O.N.Kolesnikov. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 01:30:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA03671 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.PDD.3Com.com (gatekeeper.pdd.3com.com [193.130.120.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA03663 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isolan.pdd.3com.com by gatekeeper.PDD.3Com.com; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:12:39 +0100 Message-Id: <29109.9605200826@isolan.pdd.3com.com> Received: from crane.biccdn.uucp by isolan.pdd.3com.com; Mon, 20 May 96 09:26:38 BST To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: User PPP & Demon Internet UK help needed. Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:29:49 +0100 From: David Clear Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I have a problem with user PPP on FreeBSD 2.1. I hope someone familiar with the Demon internet service here in the UK can help. I use on demand ppp to connect to my service provider, Demon. 9 times out of 10, when it connects, I get a 'dial ok', 'login ok' in the log file, and then nothing. After 10 or 15 seconds it starts dialing again. It usually gets though on the 2nd or 3rd attempt. If I do the whole process by hand, I always get through first time. This behaviour is consistent and repeatable. The login process looks like this: ATDTblahblahblah CONNECT 28400 Some message here login: myhost password: mypassword protocol: ppp Some other multi-line message from my provider HELLO My login script says "ogin: myhost assword: mypassword otocol: ppp" Has anyone seen this kind of behaviour? Cheers, Dave. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 01:38:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA04203 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resolver.viaduk.net (root@resolver.viaduk.net [194.44.78.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04191; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sns@localhost) by resolver.viaduk.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA20372; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:37:52 +0300 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:37:52 +0300 (EET DST) From: Sergey Stepanenko To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: John Clark , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Com Support? -- NOT In-Reply-To: <199605191947.MAA09794@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: X-Contacts: +38 044 4625090 X-Organization: Viaduk-Telecom MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 12:47:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jonathan M. Bresler > To: John Clark > Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: 3Com Support? -- NOT > > John Clark wrote: > > > > FreeBSD Group, > > > > I was hoping someone could help me with my 3c509 woes. I have read many > > many questions about the 3c509 card, with no good answers for my problem. > > The largest source of problems seems to be those who are having irq trouble. > > This is not my trouble as I have reconfigured, and recompiled at irq's 5, 7, > > and 10 (orig) with no joy. > > i have a 3com 3C509 and have used it for a couple years now. > what can i do to help you? > > if you are using 10baseT, please remember to add -link2 to > the ifconfig line for ep0. > > how about sending me your kernel config file and the output > of dmesg. Looks like I'll be able to get sources of 3Com drivers for free from 3Com (I hope!). For FreeBSD of course. They should reply after 3rd june. So there will be an opportunity to port these sources to FreeBSD. And it might help to provide good support for 3Com cards. WB . . Sergey Stepanenko - System/Network Administrator Technical Director - Viaduk-Telecom, Inc 10 Sagaidachnogo St., 254070 Kiev, Ukraine tel. +38 (044) 4168267 tel./fax +38 (044) 4625090 hostmaster@viaduk.net - sns@viaduk.net . . From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 01:42:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA04556 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iesd.auc.dk (root@iesd.auc.dk [130.225.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04546 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from micro.iesd.auc.dk (hagen@micro.iesd.auc.dk [130.225.48.164]) by iesd.auc.dk (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25527; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:42:20 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:42:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jesper Hagen Reply-To: Jesper Hagen Subject: Re: NFS server is hanging. To: CombsSF@salem.ge.com cc: Jesper Hagen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What version of Sun's O/S are these sparcstations running. We've > discovered a bug in Sun's NFS implementation on Solaris2.4 (and, > apparently, 2.5 as well!) which, on a PURE SUN network generates the SAME > problems. This is with a CADD5 application saving Multi-Megabyte files to > a SparcServer1000 (running Solaris 2.5 at this time). The problem has > been reported to Sun and "they are working on it!". Don't have the BugID. Well. We are running Solaris 2.5. The problem has also appeared on Solaris 2.4. The problem is especially with our UltraSparc, but smaller machines has produced the error. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 01:44:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA04712 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04512; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07339; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605200841.BAA07339@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Help building kernel Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 01:41:40 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Help! I'm trying to build a kernel on 2.1.0-Release, and I can't get it to work. Every time it goes to link I get these two errors: init_main.o: Undefined symbol `_dummyinit' referenced kern_xxx.o: Undefined symbol `_dummy_cleanup' referenced I'm using: config -g SPI cd ../../compile/SPI make depend make Here's my config file: # # GENERIC -- Generic machine with WD/AHx/NCR/BTx family disks # # $Id: GENERIC,v 1.46.2.6 1995/10/25 17:29:51 jkh Exp $ # machine "i386" cpu "I386_CPU" ident SPI maxusers 16 options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 options "SCSI_DELAY=15" #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options DUMMY_NOPS options GATEWAY options KTRACE options "AUTO_EOI_1" options "AUTO_EOI_2" options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options SYSVSHM options DDB options DIAGNOSTIC makeoptions DEBUG="-g" config kernel root on wd0 dumps on wd0 controller isa0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector pcrint #options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" # pcvt running on FreeBSD 2.1 device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device cy0 at isa? tty irq 11 iomem 0xd4000 iosiz 0x2000 vector cyintr device cy1 at isa? tty irq 12 iomem 0xd6000 iosiz 0x2000 vector cyintr device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xcc000 vector edintr pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log pseudo-device ppp 16 pseudo-device pty 64 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn 4 pseudo-device bpfilter 4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 01:53:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA05380 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05373 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [193.174.4.22] ([193.174.4.22]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86019-1>; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:53:06 +0200 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:05:21 +0200 To: Chuck Robey From: Lutz Albers Subject: Re: Glimpse3.5 won't make Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck Robey wrote on 19.5.1996 Re: Glimpse3.5 won't make - Yeah, my new port has been in Paul Walsh's hands for a couple days now, - he's supposed to get back to me. The changes were very minor. I didn't - do glimpseHTTP ... why don't you make a port of it? I can do it, there isn't much to 'port', glimpseHTTP is just a bunch of perl scripts. I've just fixed a bug with weired file names (containing spaces, # etc) and one security hole (wrong exec command called). - I don't run a web server here, I can't test glimpseHTTP, so I can't make - a port of it myself. I would be willing to make a port if someone else - is willing to give it a good test ... You? Fine, it runs now for two weeks on my own server. I'll send you the patches this week. ciao lutz --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lutz Albers | What's good ? Luederitzstr. 14, 81929-Muenchen, Germany | Life's good - ph: +49-89-93940364 | But not fair at all fax:+49-89-93940365 | (Lou Reed) Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 01:57:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA05914 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ceres.brunel.ac.uk (pp@ceres.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.176.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05898 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 01:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cimio.co.uk (actually cimio.cimio.co.uk) by ceres.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 20 May 1996 09:57:43 +0100 Received: from cimio (localhost) by cimio.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16850; Mon, 20 May 96 09:55:08 BST Message-Id: <31A03369.41C67EA6@cimio.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:55:06 +0100 From: Martin Miles Organization: Brunel University X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.1 sun4c) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Possible BUG X-Url: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can you help me diagnose a problem that I seem to have with Free BSD. I installed FreeBSD from src.doc.ic.ac.uk early in May and have used it for the past few weeks. My problem is this: at seemingly random times and without notice the computer reboots. (As if the reset button was pressed). This problem does NOT occur in DOS, and so I think that there may be a software problem in BSD. Do you know of any bug which may cause this, or have you had any similar reports ? Free BSD is installed on a brand new hard drive, set up to be the slave drive in a two drive IDE system. The hard drive, being new, is a potential source of the problem. Do you have any thoughts on this ? If I can't solve the problem then I'm going to have to remove the BSD partitions and see if the drive behaves itself in DOS. Thank you very much for any help which you can offer. Martin Miles. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | ==.===.== Computer Aided Design Brunel Science Park | | C l M l O Software Coopers Hill Lane | | --------- Englefield Green | | M a r t i n M i l e s Surrey | | TW20 OJZ | | Tel : +44 (0)1784 438038 Fax : +44 (0)1784 472870 | | Email : martin@cimio.co.uk Url : http://www.cimio.co.uk/~martin | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 02:41:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA09258 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 02:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from masternet.it (root@masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA09233 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 02:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from socrate (ts1port1d.masternet.it [194.184.65.23]) by masternet.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29071 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:37:47 +0200 Message-ID: <31A02B4F.72B2@masternet.it> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:20:31 +0200 From: Beck Peccoz Amedeo X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: SCO (in)compatibility Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I heard of FreeBSD compatibility with SCO Unix, but when I tryed I got a "Exec format error: Bad Architecture" (or something of the sort). I set the ibcs2=YES flag in /etc/sysconfig, but nop, it doesn't work. Any experienced willing to help me, please? -- Beck-Peccoz Amedeo GEA Software S.r.l. Via Deffeyes, 1 11025 Gressoney Saint Jean (AO) ITALY Tel. ++39-125-366302 Fax. ++39-125-366415 From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 02:41:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA09265 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 02:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from masternet.it (root@masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA09248 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 02:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from socrate (ts1port1d.masternet.it [194.184.65.23]) by masternet.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA29077 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:37:54 +0200 Message-ID: <31A02ED6.7EB6@masternet.it> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:35:34 +0200 From: Beck Peccoz Amedeo X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: ppp not resolving names Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------122922847688" Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------122922847688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm running ppp, but I can't have name resolved, other than the ones specified in /etc/hosts, it seems it can't reach any name resolver. note that if I give directly IPs everything seems to work (ping, telnet..). While ppp is running, netstat -r gives: {107} #netstat -r Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 194.184.65.14 UGc 0 0 tun0 localhost localhost UH 1 80 lo0 194.184.65.14 194.184.65.30 UH 1 0 tun0 224 localhost US 0 0 lo0 Attached are my ppp configuration files and my /etc/sysconfig. Thanks in advance to anyone willing to help me! -- Beck-Peccoz Amedeo GEA Software S.r.l. 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Is there a way with X not to have the server shutted down when pressing ctrl-alt-backspace? I need an idiot-proof machine! :-)) -- Beck-Peccoz Amedeo GEA Software S.r.l. Via Deffeyes, 1 11025 Gressoney Saint Jean (AO) ITALY Tel. ++39-125-366302 Fax. ++39-125-366415 From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 03:31:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA11151 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 03:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emma.sea.uct.ac.za (emma.sea.uct.ac.za [137.158.131.151]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA11144 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 03:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shaun@localhost) by emma.sea.uct.ac.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21078 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:40:55 +0200 Received: from storm. (storm.sea.uct.ac.za [137.158.132.29]) by emma.sea.uct.ac.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20973 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:27:24 +0200 Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by storm. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05326; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:25:13 -0200 Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA03084; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:26:36 -0400 Date: 20 May 96 05:21:31 EDT From: "SAMES M.I.S." <100075.1013@CompuServe.COM> To: Shaun Courtney Subject: FreeBSD Message-Id: <960520092131_100075.1013_EHK30-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I found your name/address in the FreeBSD file. I've got a query regarding FreeBSD. Let me state the problem. We want to set up a UNIX machine, which will link to the Internet via a leased line. This will become our internet mail/web server. All our users will connect to the UNIX machine to do their internet mail/ftp jobs. They use PC's which is linked via an Ethernet network to the UNIX machine. I have FreeBSD in mind, because of the cost :-) We also want to create Web pages (i.e. a web-server) on this UNIX machine. Now for the questions. Is there a mail package available with FreeBSD? What software does the PC's need to connect? (We're looking at installing Win4WG and/or Win95) Is there web server software available for FreeBSD? Will this type of setup work? Or do I need to look at another UNIX OS? Sorry to bother you with questions like this! Regards, Johan Erlank SAMES MIS From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 04:55:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA13744 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 04:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tatooine.vader.org (tatooine.vader.org [194.159.100.200]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13739 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 04:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by tatooine.vader.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04832 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:55:23 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Dabrowski Message-Id: <199605201155.MAA04832@tatooine.vader.org> Subject: MD5 / DES problem with Crack To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:55:23 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: chris@vader.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any way of using Crack with the international version of FreeBSD? When I try running it I get the following errors: >From "out.pid": join: Rejected /etc/master.passwd:paul:****PASSWORD REMOVED****:1006:1000::0:0:Paul Civati,Surrey,Private,:/home/paul:/usr/local/bin/tcsh: does not have 8 fields >From "out.hostname.pid": pwc: May 19 18:53:00 Crack v4.1f: The Password Cracker, (c) Alec D.E. Muffett, 1992 pwc: May 19 18:53:00 Version of crypt() being used internally is not compatible with standard. pwc: May 19 18:53:00 This could be due to byte ordering problems - see the comments in Sources/conf.h pwc: May 19 18:53:00 If there is another reason for this, edit the source to remove this assertion. pwc: May 19 18:53:00 Terminating... Is the problem due to the international version using MD5 encryption whilst the US one uses DES? If so are there any other programs that achieve the same results? Many thanks, Chris -- Chris Dabrowski chris@vader.org From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 05:14:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA14196 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (longstreet.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.25.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA14191 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from branson@localhost) by longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) id IAA13831; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:17:19 -0400 From: Branson Matheson Message-Id: <199605201217.IAA13831@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Godbye ctrl-alt-del To: gea@masternet.it (Beck Peccoz Amedeo) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31A02F92.1EA2@masternet.it> from "Beck Peccoz Amedeo" at May 20, 96 10:38:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is there a way under FreeBSD not to have the machine rebooted when > pressing ctrl-alt-del as Linux does? This is an interesting discussion ;-) .. I will copy ( shamelessly ) from the mail archives: > > > Chien-Ta Lee writes: > > > > > > > How can I disable reboot from Ctrl-alt-Del ?! > > > > > > [suggestion to disable shutdown_nice() in syscons.c] > > > > Ugh. > > > > Why not just use kbdcontrol to load a slightly modified console > > keyboard map without an "RBT" token in it for the "Delete" key > > with the "Control" and "Alt" modifier bits present. > > Umpf. ;-) > > I don't think this would really disable "CTRL-ALT-DEL". Every user > would be able to bypass this restriction by loading another > unmodified keymap. Every user with this access to the console could press the reset button on the front panel, power off the box, unplud it from the wall, or drop it out the window. Why is a CTRL-ALT-DEL more likely than the least offensive of these (the reset switch)? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. > Is there a way with X not to have the server shutted down when pressing > ctrl-alt-backspace? This is easy... uncomment the: # DontZap line in /etc/XF86Config > > I need an idiot-proof machine! :-)) Be careful... building an idiot proof machine only guarentees that the world will build a better idiot. > > -- > > Beck-Peccoz Amedeo > GEA Software S.r.l. > Via Deffeyes, 1 > 11025 Gressoney Saint Jean (AO) > ITALY > > Tel. ++39-125-366302 Fax. ++39-125-366415 > > -- ======================================================================== branson matheson | branson@widomaker.com Ferguson SysAdmin | http://widomaker.com/~branson From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 05:38:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA14907 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uswgmn1.uswc.uswest.com (uswgmn1.uswest.com [204.147.87.74]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14902 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by uswgmn1.uswc.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id HAA16674; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:37:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from egate.mnet.uswest.com(151.116.23.138) by uswgmn1.uswc.uswest.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016665; Mon May 20 07:37:11 1996 Received: from easthub (easthub.mnet.uswest.com [151.117.26.86]) by egate.mnet.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id GAA01630; Mon, 20 May 1996 06:37:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: by easthub.mnet.uswest.com (M-Net Hub.951228) Received: from astro.acs.uswest.com by acs.uswest.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07673; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:37:07 -0500 Received: by astro.acs.uswest.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA14073; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:37:04 -0500 From: ptroot@uswest.com (Paul T. Root) Message-Id: <199605201237.HAA14073@astro.acs.uswest.com> Subject: Re: BSD 2.1 CDROM SCSI Trouble To: dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (Doug White) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 07:37:04 -0500 (CDT) Cc: bgotori@ucla.edu, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605172234.PAA09110@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> from "Doug White" at May 17, 96 03:34:55 pm X-Organization: !nterprise Networking Services X-Phone: (612) 663-1979 X-Fax: (612) 663-8030 X-Page: (800) SKY-PAGE PIN: 537-7270 X-Address: 200 S. 5th St., Suite 1100 X-Address: Minneapolis, MN 55402 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a previous message, Doug White said: > > > I'm trying to install BSD 2.1 (Got it April 96) and am having trouble > > with the SCSI to CDROM Devices. The SCSI card is a Buslogic BT-542b and > > a NEC Multispin 3X SCSI CDROM. The SCSI card is seen but the CDROM is > > not. Any help would be of great value I don't know about the Buslogic, but I think you'll have trouble with the 3x. I had heard, when they first came out that 3x CDROM drives had a lot of problems. About a month ago I tried on (replacing my 1x) and it wouldn't work for either FreeBSD or Win95. I then tried a 4x NEC and it runs like a champ. Paul. -- Paul T. Root - USWEST !NTERPRISE Networking Service ptroot@uswest.com "People who never make mistakes work for people who dare to." Paul T. Root - USWEST !NTERPRISE Networking Service ptroot@uswest.com I believe a leaf of grass is no less than the journeywork of the stars. --Walt Whitman From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 05:39:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA14953 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14948 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I4XFT65YVK001FUQ@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:21:31 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA26738; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:27:57 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:27:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: Re: Possible BUG In-reply-to: <31A03369.41C67EA6@cimio.co.uk> To: martin@cimio.co.uk (Martin Miles) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199605201027.MAA26738@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can you help me diagnose a problem that I seem to have with Free BSD. > > I installed FreeBSD from src.doc.ic.ac.uk early in May and have used it for > the past few weeks. My problem is this: at seemingly random times and > without notice the computer reboots. (As if the reset button was pressed). Are you running X11? Are you running certain sort of programs under which this reboot happens? Is it a VLB or ISA wd controller? Cheap wd controllers are often cause for instabilities. > > This problem does NOT occur in DOS, and so I think that there may be a > software problem in BSD. This conclusion is not quite justified. A unix system like FreeBSD imposes another dimension of load to your hardware. It uses a lot more of the hardware than DOS normally does. Fully utilizes all the memory you have. Uses DMA, interrupts etc. > > Do you know of any bug which may cause this, or have you had any similar > reports ? > > Free BSD is installed on a brand new hard drive, set up to be the slave drive > in a two drive IDE system. The hard drive, being new, is a potential source > of the problem. Do you have any thoughts on this ? If I can't solve the > problem then I'm going to have to remove the BSD partitions and see if the > drive behaves itself in DOS. IDE hardware is nothing you should build reliable unix systems upon. Especially adding a drive later, possibly of another vendor might be the cause for incompatibilities. > > Thank you very much for any help which you can offer. > > Martin Miles. > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > | ==.===.== Computer Aided Design Brunel Science Park | > | C l M l O Software Coopers Hill Lane | > | --------- Englefield Green | > | M a r t i n M i l e s Surrey | > | TW20 OJZ | > | Tel : +44 (0)1784 438038 Fax : +44 (0)1784 472870 | > | Email : martin@cimio.co.uk Url : http://www.cimio.co.uk/~martin | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 05:45:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15169 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.smtp.psi.net (relay3.smtp.psi.net [38.8.210.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15164 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d-e.pvt.k12.nj.us by relay3.smtp.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.4-PSI) id IAA03052; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DWIGHT/MAILQ by d-e.pvt.k12.nj.us (Mercury 1.21); 20 May 96 08:52:08 -0500 Received: from MAILQ by DWIGHT (Mercury 1.21); 20 May 96 08:51:41 -0500 From: "Bill Campbell" Organization: Dwight-Englewood School To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:51:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Adaptec AVA-1505 and AVA-1515 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I checked the questions archive with no luck, and I haven't seen it on a FreeBSD compatability list so I'll ask here. Does FreeBSD currently support either the Adaptec AVA-1505 or AVA-1515 PIO SCSI controllers? I know they would not be recommeded for use with FreeBSD, but I only want to use it to access a Syquest EZ-135 drive which I might use very infrequently to run FreeBSD on a machine which doesn't normally run it (so I don't want nor have the space to put FreeBSD on the hard drive.) If so and I get the AVA-1515 (which has BIOS for booting) should I be able to boot FreeBSD off of the Syquest drive? Basically, I may need to get a SCSI controller just to run the Syqest EZ-135 drive primarily under OS/2, but the option to tinker around with FreeBSD on the same machine would be useful. Therefore, I would be trying to boot FreeBSD off of the Syquest via OS/2 Boot Manager. (Do I even have to have a SCSI controller with bios boot support or could I get away with doing something with OS/2 Boot Manager or a diskette which would allow me to run off the Syquest?) Money is a concern which is why I'm looking at these low end cards. I can get the 1505 for $50 or the 1515 for $80. Thanks in advance. - Bill *--------- * Bill Campbell email: campbb@d-e.pvt.k12.nj.us * Dwight-Englewood School phone: 201-569-9500 ext 3206 * 315 E. Palisade Avenue * Englewood, New Jersey 07631 * USA From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 06:14:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA17613 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 06:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda (ip83-max1-fitch.zipnet.net [199.232.245.83]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA17605 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA18105; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:24:11 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199605201324.JAA18105@hda> Subject: Re: Opinions wanted on a non-disclosure agreement To: imdave@synet.net (Dave Bodenstab) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605191633.LAA02025@base486> from "Dave Bodenstab" at May 19, 96 11:33:49 am Reply-to: hdalog@zipnet.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi, > > It seems that at least one other person thinks that this might > be an appropriate place to pose this question. So for anyone > familiar with NDAs, or for anyone else who's interested, here goes... > > I saw an add on the net for a product that sounded interesting. > It was targeted for windows users, but the hardware device > is what was intriguing. So I contacted the firm and asked if > the programming specifications were available. Well, after > some thought, they offered to release the specs under a NDA. > When I mentioned that I would want to release any software > that I write to use the device to the free Unix community, > they included what I believe is an attempt to accommodate this > scenario. I've included the terms of the NDA (omitting the > identity of the firm) below. > > Here's the pertinent part of the document: Seems OK to me. Try to get them to state in as plain English as a lawyer can put together something similar to: "It is understood by that will use this information to release unrestricted-use source code under the following copyright for distribution in the FreeBSD operating system:" followed by the usual BSD copyright. This will force their lawyers to decide if they really want to do it, and should make it clear that everyone knew up front exactly what was planned. Keep in mind that as the only individual outside the company with the technical information you will be the soul technical point of support. -- Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 07:40:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22236 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22230 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA22230; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:40:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:40:31 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9605201440.AA22230@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Archie Cobbs Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-Reply-To: <199605180824.BAA02382@bubba.whistle.com> References: <199605180548.WAA22030@phaeton.artisoft.com> <199605180824.BAA02382@bubba.whistle.com> Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > There's a larger question here then, which is that we need a more > general mechanism for user-land "filtering" (in the most general sense) > of packets as they cross an interface. BPF and /dev/tun? are both > great, but you can't implement a filter with them. The approach taken by `screend' is probably the right one, and it limits the hair in the kernel to something that is easily manageable, and easy to disable if you care about performance... (My group cares about performance.) Doing something like `screend' also makes it possible to provide the appropriate feedback mechanisms to prevent livelock. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 07:44:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22490 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cicerone.uunet.ca (root@cicerone.uunet.ca [142.77.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22477 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from why.whine.com ([205.150.249.1]) by mail.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <115591-20291>; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:44:41 -0400 Received: from why (andrew@why [205.150.249.1]) by why.whine.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00286; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:44:29 -0400 From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: "Paul T. Root" cc: Doug White , bgotori@ucla.edu, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD 2.1 CDROM SCSI Trouble In-Reply-To: <199605201237.HAA14073@astro.acs.uswest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, Paul T. Root wrote: > In a previous message, Doug White said: > > > > > I'm trying to install BSD 2.1 (Got it April 96) and am having trouble > > > with the SCSI to CDROM Devices. The SCSI card is a Buslogic BT-542b and > > > a NEC Multispin 3X SCSI CDROM. The SCSI card is seen but the CDROM is > > > not. Any help would be of great value > > > I don't know about the Buslogic, but I think you'll have trouble with the > 3x. I had heard, when they first came out that 3x CDROM drives had a lot > of problems. > > About a month ago I tried on (replacing my 1x) and it wouldn't work for > either FreeBSD or Win95. I then tried a 4x NEC and it runs like a champ. > I have a Nec 3xp Plus, and it works just fine. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 07:51:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22934 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22919 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ariane.bnf.fr ([193.50.133.237]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id HAA28306 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from boulon (boulon.bnf.fr) by ariane.bnf.fr with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA193053830; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:50:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19960520145832.2c174a76@ariane.bnf.fr> X-Sender: ebl@ariane.bnf.fr X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:58:32 +0200 To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: Eric Boulon Subject: PB with ATAPI CD-ROM Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I bought a 2.2-960323 SNAP CD-ROM (Walnut Creek). IN the install manual you spoke about 2 files which aren't on the CD : inst_ide.bat and atapiflp.bat. I install FreeBSD from a DOS partition. Then I built a new kernel to support my CD-ROM drive. But on the boot it isn't probe so I can't use it. I would like some help. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 07:54:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23198 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23190 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corona (jrclark@indy1.indy.net [199.3.65.5]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00707 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:54:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:54:09 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960520095908.002e9324@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: John Clark Subject: SMC EtherPower 10/100 (PCI) -- NOT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, SMC EtherPower 10/100 (PCI) -- NOT A BAD CHOICE? I see "Jordan's Picks" include the SMC EtherPower 10/100 (PCI). Sounds like a great card, however, I do NOT see it listed in the 2.1-RELEASE kernel config file, or is it hiding as a DEC board? Could an actual owner of this board, or someone with direct personal knowldege of this board please respond with your two cents? I hope FreeBSD supports this board's bus mastering ability. Thanks in advance. --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 08:00:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA23516 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from masternet.it (root@masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23511 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmarco.eclipse.org (ts1port13d.masternet.it [194.184.65.35]) by masternet.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA30755 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:57:09 +0200 Message-ID: <31A0A4D0.41C67EA6@masternet.it> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:58:56 +0000 From: Gianmarco Giovannelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b2 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Looking for a WWW counter ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there anyone that can suggest me a good counter program for my BSD box with Apache server running . A very simple one is preferred as I must use it on my homepage ... Thanks ... -- Regards... +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ | Internet: gmarco@masternet.it | ,,, | | Internet: gmarco@nettuno.it | (o o) | | BIX : ggiovannelli@bix.com | ---oo0-(_)-0oo--- | | Fidonet : 2:332/113.0@fidonet | __ | | Amiganet: 39:102/507@amiganet | __/// Gianmarco | | http://www.masternet.it/dsc/gmarco | \XX/ | +-------------------------------------+--------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 08:38:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA25585 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (root@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.172]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25578 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA09391; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:37:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199605201537.IAA09391@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: Tony Kimball cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 May 1996 02:50:51 CDT." <199605190750.CAA08095@compound.Think.COM> From: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-to: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:37:53 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball writes: > > You're not alone...I'm trying to figure this out too. I've been > looking through RFC 1122 (Host Requirements - Communications Layers) > and RFC 1812 (Requirements for IP Version 4 Routers). I think these > are probably the right places to find info related to this topic, but > so far I haven't found it. > > I don't recall whether it was private mail, but Terry did mention > router and MTU discovery, concretely. According to the masq archives > at http:/www.indyramp.com/masq MTU discovery works in linux as of > 5/16/96, so that prevalent estimations of what is feasibly > accomplished in a masquerade implementation may be obsolete. > I have not been able to exert the effort yet to determine whether > there is an extant problem with router discovery in linux masquerade. Thanks for the info. I'll look it up on my "copious spare time". :-) > IMO: The lack of masquerade is likely to prove the most significant > disability of FBSD relative to Linux, vis a vis market requirements > in the forseeable future. My most vulnerable assumption, in forming > this opinion, is probably my estimate of the proportion of potential > free unix users with multiple home machines *and* one of either multiple > home users or a dedicated/demand Internet connection. This is probably going to come over in the wrong way, but: 1. I'm sure that besides IP masquerading there are many reasons why a user would choose one OS over another. It's just one "feature" out of an entire "product", and it needs to be evaluated in a larger context. 2. While FreeBSD and Linux are competing "products", it's not as though they are commercial products, produced by companies who have to worry about retaining market share to satisfy the shareholders. 3. Corollary to #2: "Because Linux does it" is not a really good reason to do something. > I do not share your feeling that this is the wrong thing to do, partly > because I have seen mostly FUD from the con camp. (This is not > necessarily a criticism of any con postings, however -- there can be > perfectly valid reasons to post FUD, and I believe some may pertain > here.) I do heartily endorse the notion that intentionally > introducing defects into the IP stack is a non-starter. The scorecard > right now tells me that iff pertinent RFC 1256 router discovery > requirements are not feasibly satisfiable in a masquerade > implementation, it is not an acceptable approach. (Goes to look up "FUD" in the jargon file..."fear, uncertainty, and doubt", oh.) OK. Here are my technical gripes with IP masquerading: 1. It introduces hard state in the gateway machine. If the gateway goes down and comes back up, you lose all the connections through it. Note that some other approaches such as application-specific gateways have this problem too. 2. The Linux implementation (which I've examined *briefly*) puts all kinds of application-specific stuff *in kernel*. There are all kinds of clever tricks to get FTP, RealAudio, and other applications to work right. Layering? What layering? 3. There already exist other methods for doing what IP masquerading does (for example SOCKs, application-specific gateways). Why does FreeBSD need another? 4. It's not a general purpose solution (e.g. ICMP doesn't work, UDP support is a hack). For example, how would I ping outside my local network to track down problems? Just so people don't think I'm completely one-sided about this: 1. IP masquerading does slow down the rate that addresses get used up, and, more importantly, the routing table size at the neighboring network. 2. Extremely reluctantly, "Linux does it". In peace, Bruce. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 08:43:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26011 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26006 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA26713; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:43:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: Gianmarco Giovannelli Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Looking for a WWW counter ... In-Reply-To: <31A0A4D0.41C67EA6@masternet.it> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there anyone that can suggest me a good counter program for my BSD > box with Apache server running . In the /pub/FreeBSD/ports-current/www directory I see a "wwwcount" port...maybe this is the trick? Brian From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 08:45:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26219 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26214 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:45:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA22565; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:44:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:44:56 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9605201544.AA22565@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Beck Peccoz Amedeo Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Godbye ctrl-alt-del In-Reply-To: <31A02F92.1EA2@masternet.it> References: <31A02F92.1EA2@masternet.it> Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > Is there a way under FreeBSD not to have the machine rebooted when > pressing ctrl-alt-del as Linux does? Yes, you can modify the source to the console driver to do something else. Be aware that this feature was added to keep none-too-bright users from deciding that since C-A-D didn't work, the machine must be hung and they could just turn it off or hit the reset button. > Is there a way with X not to have the server shutted down when pressing > ctrl-alt-backspace? Yes. See the X configuration documentation. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 08:51:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26458 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26453 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA22314; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:51:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:51:04 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9605201551.AA22314@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: John Clark Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: SMC EtherPower 10/100 (PCI) -- NOT In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960520095908.002e9324@felix.iupui.edu> References: <2.2.32.19960520095908.002e9324@felix.iupui.edu> Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > I see "Jordan's Picks" include the SMC EtherPower 10/100 (PCI). Sounds like > a great card, however, I do NOT see it listed in the 2.1-RELEASE kernel > config file, or is it hiding as a DEC board? Yes. The NIC on this board is a DC21140 Fast Ethernet chip. We have a few of the 10-Mbit (21040 or 21041) cards from SMC, but all of our Fast Ethernet stuff is DE500-XA or Intel EE Pro/100B. We have found that the DEC chip performs much better in our tests than the i82557 on the Intel boards, but this may be the fault of our (Intel-made) motherboards or a result of insufficient driver tuning. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 08:55:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26749 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26743 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I4XQCK571C001HMV@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:22:42 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA05890 for freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:29:46 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:29:46 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: booting from wd1 (bootmanager) To: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org Message-id: <199605201529.RAA05890@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I did an installation from 0501-SNAP and chose wd1 for the installation target. BTW, a very good option would be to be able to get out of the loop when you entered a wrong ftp site and can enter a different URL. After the installation there was no boot manager installed. Also I thought I had done this successfully before on other systems but installing osbs20b8 didn't show me the FreeBSD partition on drive 1. I'm stumped. Can I fearlessly boot the SNAP boot.flp again and choose to write the bootmgr to disk 0? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 08:57:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26961 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (fod@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26956 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fod@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id IAA02742; Mon, 20 May 1996 08:56:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:56:53 -0700 From: fod@netcom.com (Frank O'Donnell) Message-Id: <199605201556.IAA02742@netcom14.netcom.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Install problem w/ two hard drives Cc: fod@netcom.com Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Last night I ran into a couple of problems installing FreeBSD 2.1 that I wanted to ask about here: I have a no-name 486DX2-66 with an older Mitsumi CD-ROM drive. There are two hard drives, a WD Caviar 1.6-GB and a Maxtor 540-MB, configured as master and slave attached to an EIDE card. The first hard drive has DOS, Windows, etc, on it. I want to install FreeBSD on the second hard drive and make this hard drive be devoted to FreeBSD. In addition, I want to install a boot manager on the first hard drive so that I can use F-keys to pick which drive to boot off of. I've done similar installations under FreeBSD 2.0.5 about a year ago, so I'm generally familiar with the process, but far from expert. I'm doing this install off the January 1996 FreeBSD 2.1 two-disk CD set. The automated install straight off the CD-ROM didn't get far, so I used makeflp.bat and proceeded from there. The install seemed to go quite smoothly, and I was impressed by the additional things that had been automated since 2.0.5. After accepting a default configuration of wd1, I then proceeded to do the X-user install, pick a few extra packages, configure the X stuff, etc. In this process I also told it I wanted a boot manager installed. The problems ran when I rebooted the machine. At the point where it would usually read the MBR from wd0 and ask which disk I wanted to boot from, the screen changed to 40-char-wide mode (haven't seen this in 12 years or so!) and came up with an error message about ROM BASIC not being available. Then I thought that I could boot from the install disk but then tell it to boot "wd(1,a)/kernel" at the appropriate point. After I entered this, I got exactly one "|" symbol and the screen froze. To at least partially recover from the MBR problem, I booted from a DOS disk and then used a Norton utility to make C: bootable, which at least enabled me to do DOS/Windows sessions. However, at this point I'm still unable to get to wd1 and FreeBSD (which I assume is installed correctly there). The only thing I can think that I did during the install which probably wasn't wise was that I answered "yes" when asked if I wanted the partition on wd1 to be a "true" partition. Since this disk is and always will be devoted only to FreeBSD, I gather that this minimally was unnecessary, and possibly may have introduced a problem. So: Could any suggest any ideas as to (a) why the boot manager install failed and what the easiest way to fix it is, and (b) does it look like there's another problem with wd1 which would seem to prevent booting from it? Thanks for any help! Frank fod@netcom.com From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 09:59:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA00271 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netvision.net.il (mail.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00257 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from telgate.telrad.co.il (telgate.telrad.co.il [194.90.21.130]) by mail.netvision.net.il (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA29143 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:58:14 +0300 (IDT) Received: from elex.co.il (tlhuph12.elex.co.il) by telgate.telrad.co.il (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03835; Mon, 20 May 96 19:58:31 IDT Received: from cpm.elex.co.il (tcpmma01.elex.co.il) by elex.co.il with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA050971413; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:56:53 +0300 Received: from tlcpmh34.elex.co.il by cpm.elex.co.il with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA299941465; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:57:45 +0300 Received: by tlcpmh34.elex.co.il ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/15.6) id AA186171466; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:57:46 +0300 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:57:44 +0300 (IDT) From: Edward Beili X-Sender: edward@tlcpmh34.elex.co.il To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Netscape 3.0beta and Java in FreeBSD Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Last night I tried the latest Netscape 3.0 beta on FreeBSD 2.1R (486DX33 with 8Mb of RAM). It didn't run Java applets even though Netscape says it should. More over when I attempted to use its built-in Java compiler (netscape -java sun.tools.javac.Main Test.java) it crashed with "Memory fault" error. I suspect it wants more memory... Did anybody have a better experience? For that matter what is the status of JDK for FreeBSD? Regards, -Edward From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 10:14:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA01060 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01053 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id KAA21272; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:25:01 +0100 (BST) To: Kazem Akbari cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Is there anybody out there to help (3rd attempt) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 May 1996 23:10:54 EDT." <199605190310.XAA00322@fox.CES.CWRU.Edu> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:25:01 +0100 Message-ID: <21270.832584301@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kazem Akbari wrote in message ID <199605190310.XAA00322@fox.CES.CWRU.Edu>: > |==> My guess at this point would be that you built a symlink tree from > |==> /usr/ports to the tree on the CDROM (as instructed in the manual, if I > |==> remember), but you (at the current moment) don't have the CDROM > |==> mounted, and hence the data is unavailable. If this is the case, just > |==> type (as root) `mount /cdrom' and then try again. It should fix (I > |==> think) your problem... (all the symlink tree does is create a set of > |==> pointers back onto the CDROM, it don't actually copy or contain any > |==> data from the CDROM. When the data is needed, the symlink refers the > |==> program needing the data to the CDROM to find it). > I tried "mount /cdrom" several times and the system returned: > "cd9660: /dev/wdc0c: Device not configured" Ah. ATAPI CDROM. You'll need to compile a custom kernel for ATAPI support, as I believe the kernel which is installed (even if you use the ATAPI boot floppy to install) is the plain GENERIC kernel which doesn't have ATAPI support. See the documentation for instructions on compiling kernels. You will need to have installed at least the ``ssys'' kernel source code distribution to be able to do this. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 10:17:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA01251 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01243 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id KAA21283; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:27:40 +0100 (BST) To: ValTech cc: Thomas David Rivers , terry@lambert.org, questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: SMIT(System Maintenance Interface Tool) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 May 1996 15:26:17 EDT." Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: <21281.832584460@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ValTech wrote in message ID : > So Mr Palmer, > When is the SMIT utility going to be available? The FSMT (FreeBSD System Management Tool) (and no, that's not it's name, I just made that up as it sounds about right :-) ) will be available when it's finished, and not before! To my mind at least, there are still some fundamental interface requirements to be worked out, as I'm not convinced that the path Jordan is advocating currently is the right one. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 10:30:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA02149 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02142 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corona (jrclark@indy2.indy.net [199.3.65.7]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00923 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:30:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:30:00 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960520123458.002dc4cc@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: John Clark Subject: Best UPS for FreeBSD?? Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I was wondering what everyone seems to be using for UPS under FreeBSD. A cursory glance of the ports collection reveals no UPS software. If this is true, I will port one from Linux, however, it seems quite impossible that there is not already an alternative... --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 10:34:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA02488 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02483 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LOCALHOST (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA28910; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:37:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199605201737.KAA28910@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host LOCALHOST didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Fabian Schonholz cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Modem list In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 May 1996 13:19:52 PDT." <319CDF68.41C6@netcount.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:37:50 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Could you send me a list of modems for FreeBSD 2.1 that Ic an use!! > Just about anything that plugs into a serial port will work. Did you have a specific model in question? Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 10:55:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA03834 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hybrid.com (ops.hybrid.com [166.117.11.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03829 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from keng-pc (keng-pc.hybrid.com [166.117.11.27]) by hybrid.com (8.6.6.Beta9/8.6.6.Beta9) with SMTP id KAA12302 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 10:55:28 -0700 Message-ID: <31A0B21D.3D32@hybrid.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:55:41 -0700 From: Ken Gaugler Organization: Hybrid Networks, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Western Digital 1.2Gig X-URL: http://www.cdrom.com/titles/freebsd-960501-snap.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Will the new 2.2 release (Snapshot came out May 1st) let me set up FreeBSD on a Western Digital AC21200 1.2 Gig hard drive? Anything special I need to do? If so can you point me to the docs? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 11:00:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA04321 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04277 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.103.242.2] (cmh-p002.infinet.com [206.103.242.2]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09517 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605201754.NAA09517@mail1.infinet.com> To: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Kernel Problems Date: Mon, 20 May 96 14:05:36 -0500 From: James Crawford - Infinet X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: James Crawford - Infinet * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I'm new to using FreeBSD and ran into a problem when compiling a new kernel. I don't have any SCSI devices on my computer and was commenting them all out but I get an error when I run my make command. It goes to the end and gets an error 1. It appears to be undefined errors on SCSI devices. Heres a copy of my kernel. This version is 2.1 and was downloaded from ftp.FreeBSD.org. Thanks James Crawford jcrawfor@infinet.com # # GENERIC -- Generic machine with WD/AHx/NCR/BTx family disks # # $Id: GENERIC,v 1.46.2.6 1995/10/25 17:29:51 jkh Exp $ # machine "i386" cpu "I486_CPU" ident MYKERNEL maxusers 10 #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 options "SCSI_DELAY=15" #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 #controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 #disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 #tape ft0 at fdc0 drive 2 controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 #controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr #disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 #disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus device wcd0 #IDE CD-ROM controller ncr0 controller ahc0 #controller bt0 at isa? port "IO_BT0" bio irq ? vector btintr #controller uha0 at isa? port "IO_UHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector uhaintr #controller ahc1 at isa? bio irq ? vector ahcintr #controller ahb0 at isa? bio irq ? vector ahbintr #controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr #controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11 vector aicintr #controller nca0 at isa? port 0x1f88 bio irq 10 vector ncaintr #controller nca1 at isa? port 0x350 bio irq 5 vector ncaintr #controller sea0 at isa? bio irq 5 iomem 0xc8000 iosiz 0x2000 vector seaintr #controller scbus0 #device sd0 #device st0 #device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows #device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1 vector wtintr #device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10 vector mcdintr #device mcd1 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11 vector mcdintr #controller matcd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio #device scd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector pcrint #options "PCVT_FREEBSD=210" # pcvt running on FreeBSD 2.1 options XSERVER # include code for XFree86 device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr #device sio2 at isa? port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 vector siointr #device sio3 at isa? port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 vector siointr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr #device lpt1 at isa? port? tty #device lpt2 at isa? port? tty #device mse0 at isa? port 0x23c tty irq 5 vector mseintr device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. #device de0 #device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr #device ed1 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr #device ie0 at isa? port 0x360 net irq 7 iomem 0xd0000 vector ieintr device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector epintr #device ix0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 iosiz 32768 vector ixintr #device le0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 vector le_intr #device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 drq 0 vector lncintr #device lnc1 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 drq 0 vector lncintr #device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector zeintr #device zp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 vector zpintr pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log pseudo-device sl 1 # ijppp uses tun instead of ppp device pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 11:01:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA04556 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04548 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA19510 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:01:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:00:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS-L Subject: NE2000 Plus not probed correctly? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A friend of mine has a no-name ("Ether-16+") ISA Ethernet controller that claims to be an NE2000+ card, but purports to run with any NE2000 driver. The Novell-supplied drivers on the same machine (booting into both DOS and OS/2 Warp) recognize and use the card properly. It is configured for IRQ 12, port 0x300 and iomem 0xd0000 in Novell. The ed0 driver is also configured with the same settings, but the device probe on boot fails to locate the card ("ed0 not found at 0x300"). We've tried different IRQ's and port addresses to no avail. This is on a 2.1.0R machine, 100-MHz Cyrix 586. Any ideas? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 11:48:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA07920 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07915 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Mon, 20 May 96 14:48:01 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Mon, 20 May 96 14:47:56 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16883; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:48:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 13:48:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605201848.NAA16883@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605201537.IAA09391@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU> (bmah@cs.berkeley.edu) Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just a quick response to your points: From: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 08:37:53 -0700 3. Corollary to #2: "Because Linux does it" is not a really good reason to do something. Quite the contrary, actually;-? 1. It introduces hard state in the gateway machine. If the gateway goes down and comes back up, you lose all the connections through it. Note that some other approaches such as application-specific gateways have this problem too. To my knowledge no solution is proposed which does not. I think that an RFC on the subject is needed, frankly, to update requirements in a manner which removes the need for gateway state. This point is an argument against solving the problem, not against solving it by masquerade. 2. The Linux implementation ... This is not related to masquerade, however, merely to the Linux implementation. Since the Linux implementation will never run in FBSD, we seem safe on that point. 3. There already exist other methods for doing what IP masquerading does (for example SOCKs, application-specific gateways). Why does FreeBSD need another? Because they don't work. Masquerade works. At least for its applications. It seems to me that the folks who don't need masquerade don't care enough for them as do to advocate their plight adequately to the project. 4. It's not a general purpose solution (e.g. ICMP doesn't work, UDP support is a hack). For example, how would I ping outside my local network to track down problems? >From the masquerade host. ICMP works fine, to the network interface of the *system*. UDP is not a host requirement. Garrett has not spoken yet -- perhaps does not read "questions"? -- but I wonder what his reasons are. I suspect, from other discussion, that the point would be elegance of implementation. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 12:00:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA08765 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from InfoWest.COM (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08744; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agifford (zaketh.uv.com [204.17.177.95]) by InfoWest.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA22129; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:12:03 -0600 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960520185933.00d70f30@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:59:33 -0600 To: questions@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: ASUS P/I P6RP4 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is anyone using the ASUS P/I P6RP4 PPro motherboard? If so, what do you think of its performance? What PCI chipset does this board use? Does it use the Intel 82450 PCIset? If so, does it used a "fixed" version that overcomes the "inbound write posting" implementation bug that limited I/O throughput on the PCI bus? Thanks, Aaron Gifford --=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=-- Aaron D. Gifford InfoWest, 1845 W. Sunset Blvd, St. George, UT 84770 InfoWest Networking Phone: (801) 674-0165 FAX: (801) 673-9734 Visit InfoWest at: "http://www.infowest.com/" ICBM: 37.07847 N, 113.57858 W "Southern Utah's Finest Network Connection" --=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=--=+=-- From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 12:05:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09136 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09122 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA22032; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:59:56 +0100 (BST) To: David Clear cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: User PPP & Demon Internet UK help needed. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 09:29:49 BST." <29109.9605200826@isolan.pdd.3com.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:59:55 +0100 Message-ID: <22030.832618795@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Clear wrote in message ID <29109.9605200826@isolan.pdd.3com.com>: > Has anyone seen this kind of behaviour? I've sent my ppp.conf in private mail, which works fine with this ISP. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 12:17:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09921 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu (ccmail.sunysb.edu [129.49.1.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09914 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:17:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beam.radonc.sunysb.edu (beam.radonc.sunysb.edu) by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01I4XLXTN2GG9R0LZX@ccmail.sunysb.edu> for questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jpinsky@localhost) by beam.radonc.sunysb.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA22337; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:16:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jacob J. Pinsky" Subject: ep0: Status 2002 message To: questions@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: jpinsky@radonc.som.sunysb.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For the last month or so, the console has been displaying this message about the ep0 device. I actually have been using a Farralon NIC with dual transceivers, but it is essentially a 3C509. I have never had trouble with the card before now. Exactly what does this message mean, and what can I due about it? Jacob Pinsky | jpinsky@radonc.som.sunysb.edu University Medical Center | jpinsky@beam.radonc.sunysb.edu Dept. of Radiation Oncology | Tel. (516)444-7735 SUNY Stony Brook | Fax (516) 689-8801 Stony Brook, NY 11794-7028 | From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 12:35:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA11257 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salsa.habaneros.com ([207.34.140.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11252 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jalapeno.habaneros.com (jalapeno [207.34.140.98]) by salsa.habaneros.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00185 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:24:22 -0700 Received: by jalapeno.habaneros.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB4648.3DE618A0@jalapeno.habaneros.com>; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:31:17 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB4648.3DE618A0@jalapeno.habaneros.com> From: "Neil C. Jensen" To: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Subject: tip & system hang-up Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:31:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just installed a modem, however, whenever I try and send it commands = via tip, it hangs-up my system so badly that I have to hard reboot. The = specifics are: FreeBSD 2.1R USR Sportster 14.4 internal, IRQ3 COM2 kernel configured for sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa. type 16450 (I = am on an old 486SX) using ttyd1, cuaa1, etc. added V.32bis settings to /etc/gettytab per directions in Handbook added /etc/ttys mods: ttyd1 "/usr/libexec/getty" V19200 vt102 on I can connect to the modem using either 'tip' or 'cu' (logged in as = root). I get the 'connected' prompt. If I exit without sending the modem any 'AT' commands I am disconnected = properly. Once I am connected, if I try and send the modem any commands at all = (ex. 'AT') the entire system hangs. The only way I can get back in is to = hard reboot the system. I seem to recall someone on the list having a similar problem just a few = weeks ago, but I can't seem to find it in the archives. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Neil Jensen Habanero Studios Ltd. Vancouver, Canada From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 12:36:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA11330 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11323 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA06002; Mon, 20 May 1996 12:48:10 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605201948.MAA06002@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: root@bonsai.its.utas.edu.au (Charlie ROOT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 12:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Charlie ROOT" at May 20, 96 09:37:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > > Sorry to stick an uneducated oar in the water but where does something > like SLiRP fit in to all this? I don't know where SLiRP fits into IP Masquerading. > > According to the documentation > SLiRP allows you to connect a network of hosts to the internet without needing > globablly unique numbers (ie you can use 10.0.2.xxx for your hosts). That would suggest that SLiRP is acting as a network address translator (NAT) or as a proxy (like SOCKS). > > Dose this contravene the rfcs? > Andrew 10.x.x.x and 192.168.x.x are listed in RFC1597 quoted below: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Private Address Space The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the following three blocks of the IP address space for private networks: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as "20-bit block, and to the third as "16-bit" block. Note that the first block is nothing but a single class A network number, while the second block is a set of 16 contiguous class B network numbers, and third block is a set of 255 contiguous class C network numbers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: you can't just use your FreeBSD box as a router between your providers IP network (the number he gives your PPP connection) and your internal network (the numbers you pick from the above list). This is because your packets would go out to the net with a source address in one of these reserved ranges -- and all of the properly configured routers on the net will reject them (since IANA has promised that no valid internet host will ever have one of these addresses). With proxying or NAT your packets (from the private net hosts) get to the gateway host -- the gateway host sends *it's own packets out to the net* than it sorts out the packets it recieves and sends the response back to the applications/hosts that initiated the proxy'd session). (Thus the term "gateway" -- which in OSI terminology means "works at the application layer" vs. the term "router" - which refers to software (or firmware) that operates at the transport layer (or thereabouts)). I'm sorry I didn't answer your questions about SLiRP and IP Masquerading specifically. I don't know about those. Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 13:04:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA12332 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paaltjens.si.hhs.nl (pp@[145.52.80.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12319 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from si.hhs.nl by paaltjens.si.hhs.nl id <20161-0@paaltjens.si.hhs.nl>; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:04:34 +0200 Received: from jonge (localhost) by jonge.si.hhs.nl (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14104; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:05:53 --100 Message-Id: <31A0D0A0.6C9E@si.hhs.nl> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:05:52 +0200 From: Schellart X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Bridge X-Url: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I've got a bridge from Bridge Comminications Inc. Model series/200. Is there support for this bridge in freebsd? Jeroen From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 13:30:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14293 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14278 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA24569; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:29:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:29:54 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9605202029.AA24569@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Tony Kimball Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-Reply-To: <199605201848.NAA16883@compound.Think.COM> References: <199605201537.IAA09391@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU> <199605201848.NAA16883@compound.Think.COM> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > Garrett has not spoken yet -- perhaps does not read "questions"? -- > but I wonder what his reasons are. I suspect, from other discussion, > that the point would be elegance of implementation. That's pretty close. I don't want the IP processing path cluttered with lots of nasty crap to do fifteen different non-standard actions to every packet (just one---IPFW---is bad enough). Furthermore, implementing something like this would /not/ improve our reputation in the networking research community, and having worked hard to get FreeBSD accepted in one of our current collaborations, our group would not very pleased to say the least. (Part of my job description is to essentially be a ``mole'' for our corner of the research community to keep things like this from making us look silly.) So, my position is as follows: 1) If somebody wants to develop a set of patches to implement such functionality in FreeBSD, that's their business. 2) I will remain adamantly opposed to integrating same into the main source base. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 13:36:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14729 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14717 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 13:36:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Mon, 20 May 96 16:36:18 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Mon, 20 May 96 16:36:12 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17580; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605202036.PAA17580@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: wollman@lcs.mit.edu Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9605202029.AA24569@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> (message from Garrett Wollman on Mon, 20 May 1996 16:29:54 -0400) Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Garrett has not spoken yet -- perhaps does not read "questions"? -- > but I wonder what his reasons are. I suspect, from other discussion, > that the point would be elegance of implementation. That's pretty close. I don't want the IP processing path cluttered with lots of nasty crap to do fifteen different non-standard actions to every packet... What if it were standardized? If there was a published masquerade RFC? From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 14:18:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA17817 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17805; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA14613; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:17:00 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA09355; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:17:00 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA06246; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:28:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605202028.WAA06246@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Help building kernel To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:28:53 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199605200841.BAA07339@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "May 20, 96 01:41:40 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > Help! I'm trying to build a kernel on 2.1.0-Release, and I can't get > it to work. Every time it goes to link I get these two errors: > > init_main.o: Undefined symbol `_dummyinit' referenced > kern_xxx.o: Undefined symbol `_dummy_cleanup' referenced Interesting. Both are defined just one line before they are used. Are you sure you're using the stock 2.1 `ld'? Try declaring them as non-static, and see if the linker will find them. (Terry has been posting a 25-page :) article about the technology of the used linker sets recently. You should be able to find it by this keyword using the WWW interface to the mailing list archives.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 14:18:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA17848 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17828 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA12496 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:18:06 -0700 Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uLd6c-000wyZC; Mon, 20 May 96 15:07 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA832626871; Mon, 20 May 96 14:54:36 PST Date: Mon, 20 May 96 14:54:36 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9604208326.AA832626871@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: questions@freeBSD.org Subject: Is FreeBSD prepared for the future? Sender: owner-questions@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just read yet another doomsaying article about the Millenium and the havoc it will wreak with much computer software. As I recall, D-day for UNIX is different -- the crisis comes a little bit into the next century. Has FreeBSD been updated so that its "seconds since the start of time" clock will not overflow? --Brett From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 14:29:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA19059 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19042 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id WAA22457; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:17:25 +0100 (BST) To: James Crawford - Infinet cc: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Kernel Problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 14:05:36 CDT." <199605201754.NAA09517@mail1.infinet.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:17:23 +0100 Message-ID: <22455.832627043@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk James Crawford - Infinet wrote in message ID <199605201754.NAA09517@mail1.infinet.com>: > -- [ From: James Crawford - Infinet * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > I'm new to using FreeBSD and ran into a problem when compiling a new kernel. > I don't have any SCSI devices on my computer and was commenting them all out > but I get an error when I run my make command. It goes to the end and gets > an > error 1. It appears to be undefined errors on SCSI devices. Heres a copy > of my kernel. This version is 2.1 and was downloaded from ftp.FreeBSD.org. > controller ncr0 > controller ahc0 Spot the two SCSI controllers (both PCI too, and you don't have PCI enabled). Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 14:35:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA19736 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19684; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.via.net (ns.via.net [140.174.204.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA12633 ; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:35:22 -0700 Received: (from joe@localhost) by ns.via.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA21060; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:33:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 14:33:41 -0700 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199605202133.OAA21060@ns.via.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Help - Panic Attacks! Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Our web machine (FreeBSD 2.1, 128Meg) panicked today - twice in a row. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks, joe joe@via.net May 18 03:33:45 ovation /kernel: panic: kmem_malloc: kmem_map too small May 18 03:33:46 ovation /kernel: syncing disks... May 18 03:33:46 ovation /kernel: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode May 18 03:33:46 ovation /kernel: fault virtual address = 0x10 May 18 03:33:46 ovation /kernel: fault code = supervisor read, page not present May 18 03:33:46 ovation /kernel: instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01587b4 May 18 03:33:47 ovation /kernel: code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b May 18 03:33:47 ovation /kernel: = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 May 18 03:33:47 ovation /kernel: processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 May 18 03:33:47 ovation /kernel: current process = 1567 (find) May 18 03:33:47 ovation /kernel: interrupt mask = net tty bio May 18 03:33:48 ovation /kernel: panic: page fault May 18 03:33:48 ovation /kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort May 18 03:33:48 ovation /kernel: Rebooting... May 18 03:33:49 ovation /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Fri May 17 23:28:58 PDT 1996 May 18 03:33:49 ovation /kernel: root@ovation.via.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/WWW May 18 03:33:49 ovation /kernel: CPU: 100-MHz Pentium 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) May 18 03:33:49 ovation /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 May 18 03:33:50 ovation /kernel: Features=0x1bf May 18 03:33:50 ovation /kernel: real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) May 18 03:33:50 ovation /kernel: avail memory = 127799296 (124804K bytes) May 18 03:33:50 ovation /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: May 18 03:33:50 ovation /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard May 18 03:33:50 ovation /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> May 18 03:33:50 ovation /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa May 18 03:33:51 ovation /kernel: sio0: type 16550A May 18 03:33:51 ovation /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa May 18 03:33:51 ovation /kernel: sio1: type 16550A May 18 03:33:51 ovation /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa May 18 03:33:51 ovation /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port May 18 03:33:52 ovation /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface May 18 03:33:52 ovation /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa May 18 03:33:52 ovation /kernel: fdc0: NEC 765 May 18 03:33:52 ovation /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in May 18 03:33:52 ovation /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa May 18 03:33:53 ovation /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): May 18 03:33:53 ovation /kernel: wd0: 1219MB (2496816 sectors), 2477 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S May 18 03:33:53 ovation /kernel: aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa May 18 03:33:54 ovation /kernel: aha0 waiting for scsi devices to settle May 18 03:33:54 ovation /kernel: (aha0:0:0): "NEC CD-ROM CDR-210P 1.0" type 5 removable SCSI 1 May 18 03:33:54 ovation /kernel: cd0(aha0:0:0): CD-ROM cd present.[160790 x 2048 byte records] May 18 03:33:54 ovation /kernel: (aha0:2:0): "SyQuest SQ3270S 3_04" type 0 removable SCSI 2 May 18 03:33:54 ovation /kernel: sd0(aha0:2:0): Direct-Access 256MB (524288 512 byte sectors) May 18 03:33:55 ovation /kernel: mcd0: timeout getting status May 18 03:33:55 ovation /kernel: mcd1: timeout getting status May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: npx0 on motherboard May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: Probing for devices on the PCI bus: May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: pci0:0: vendor=0x10b9, device=0x1451, class=bridge (host) [no driver assigned] May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: pci0:2: vendor=0x10b9, device=0x1449, class=old (misc) [no driver assigned] May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: de0 rev 17 int a irq 10 on pci0:5 May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: de0: DC21041 [10Mb/s] pass 1.1 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:6b:b5:c8 May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: pci0:6: CMD, device=0x0640, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: de0: enabling 10baseT/UTP port May 18 03:33:56 ovation /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. May 18 03:33:57 ovation lpd[139]: restarted May 18 03:33:57 ovation lpd[144]: /usr/adm/lpd-errs: No such file or directory May 19 02:03:56 ovation /kernel: panic: kmem_malloc: kmem_map too small May 19 02:03:56 ovation /kernel: May 19 02:03:57 ovation /kernel: syncing disks... May 19 02:03:57 ovation /kernel: May 19 02:03:57 ovation /kernel: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode May 19 02:03:57 ovation /kernel: fault virtual address = 0x10 May 19 02:03:57 ovation /kernel: fault code = supervisor read, page not present May 19 02:03:57 ovation /kernel: instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01587b4 May 19 02:03:58 ovation /kernel: code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b May 19 02:03:58 ovation /kernel: = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 May 19 02:03:58 ovation /kernel: processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 May 19 02:03:58 ovation /kernel: current process = 23556 (find) May 19 02:03:58 ovation /kernel: interrupt mask = net tty bio May 19 02:03:59 ovation /kernel: panic: page fault May 19 02:03:59 ovation /kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort May 19 02:04:00 ovation /kernel: Rebooting... May 19 02:04:00 ovation /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Fri May 17 23:28:58 PDT 1996 May 19 02:04:00 ovation /kernel: root@ovation.via.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/WWW May 19 02:04:00 ovation /kernel: CPU: 100-MHz Pentium 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) May 19 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 May 19 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: Features=0x1bf May 19 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) May 19 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: avail memory = 127799296 (124804K bytes) May 19 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: May 19 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard May 19 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> May 19 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa May 19 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: sio0: type 16550A May 19 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa May 19 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: sio1: type 16550A May 19 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa May 19 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port May 19 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface May 19 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa May 19 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: fdc0: NEC 765 May 19 02:04:04 ovation /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in May 19 02:04:04 ovation /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa May 19 02:04:04 ovation /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): May 19 02:04:04 ovation /kernel: wd0: 1219MB (2496816 sectors), 2477 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S May 19 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa May 19 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: aha0 waiting for scsi devices to settle May 19 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: (aha0:0:0): "NEC CD-ROM CDR-210P 1.0" type 5 removable SCSI 1 May 19 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: cd0(aha0:0:0): CD-ROM cd present.[160790 x 2048 byte records] May 19 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: (aha0:2:0): "SyQuest SQ3270S 3_04" type 0 removable SCSI 2 May 19 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: sd0(aha0:2:0): Direct-Access 256MB (524288 512 byte sectors) May 19 02:04:06 ovation /kernel: mcd0: timeout getting status May 19 02:04:06 ovation /kernel: mcd1: timeout getting status May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: le0: no board found at 0x300 May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: npx0 on motherboard May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: Probing for devices on the PCI bus: May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: pci0:0: vendor=0x10b9, device=0x1451, class=bridge (host) [no driver assigned] May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: pci0:2: vendor=0x10b9, device=0x1449, class=old (misc) [no driver assigned] May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: de0 rev 17 int a irq 10 on pci0:5 May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: de0: DC21041 [10Mb/s] pass 1.1 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:6b:b5:c8 May 19 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: pci0:6: CMD, device=0x0640, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] May 19 02:04:08 ovation /kernel: de0: enabling 10baseT/UTP port May 19 02:04:08 ovation /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. May 19 02:04:08 ovation lpd[140]: restarted May 19 02:04:08 ovation lpd[143]: /usr/adm/lpd-errs: No such file or directory May 19 17:53:56 ovation login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 May 19 17:53:56 ovation login: login on ttyv0 as root May 20 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: panic: kmem_malloc: kmem_map too small May 20 02:04:01 ovation /kernel: May 20 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: syncing disks... 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 57 giving up May 20 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort May 20 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: Rebooting... May 20 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Fri May 17 23:28:58 PDT 1996 May 20 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: root@ovation.via.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/WWW May 20 02:04:02 ovation /kernel: CPU: 100-MHz Pentium 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) May 20 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 May 20 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: Features=0x1bf May 20 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) May 20 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: avail memory = 127799296 (124804K bytes) May 20 02:04:03 ovation /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: May 20 02:04:04 ovation /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard May 20 02:04:04 ovation /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> May 20 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa May 20 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: sio0: type 16550A May 20 02:04:05 ovation /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa May 20 02:04:06 ovation /kernel: sio1: type 16550A May 20 02:04:06 ovation /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa May 20 02:04:06 ovation /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port May 20 02:04:06 ovation /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface May 20 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa May 20 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: fdc0: NEC 765 May 20 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in May 20 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa May 20 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): May 20 02:04:07 ovation /kernel: wd0: 1219MB (2496816 sectors), 2477 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S May 20 02:04:08 ovation /kernel: aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa May 20 02:04:08 ovation /kernel: aha0 waiting for scsi devices to settle May 20 02:04:08 ovation /kernel: (aha0:0:0): "NEC CD-ROM CDR-210P 1.0" type 5 removable SCSI 1 May 20 02:04:09 ovation /kernel: cd0(aha0:0:0): CD-ROM cd present.[160790 x 2048 byte records] May 20 02:04:09 ovation /kernel: (aha0:2:0): "SyQuest SQ3270S 3_04" type 0 removable SCSI 2 May 20 02:04:09 ovation /kernel: sd0(aha0:2:0): Direct-Access 256MB (524288 512 byte sectors) May 20 02:04:09 ovation /kernel: mcd0: timeout getting status May 20 02:04:10 ovation /kernel: mcd1: timeout getting status May 20 02:04:10 ovation /kernel: le0: no board found at 0x300 May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: npx0 on motherboard May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: Probing for devices on the PCI bus: May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: pci0:0: vendor=0x10b9, device=0x1451, class=bridge (host) [no driver assigned] May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: pci0:2: vendor=0x10b9, device=0x1449, class=old (misc) [no driver assigned] May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: de0 rev 17 int a irq 10 on pci0:5 May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: de0: DC21041 [10Mb/s] pass 1.1 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:6b:b5:c8 May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: pci0:6: CMD, device=0x0640, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. May 20 02:04:11 ovation /kernel: de0: enabling 10baseT/UTP port May 20 02:04:12 ovation lpd[140]: restarted May 20 02:04:13 ovation lpd[145]: /usr/adm/lpd-errs: No such file or directory May 20 12:00:49 ovation login: login on ttyv0 as joe May 20 12:28:48 ovation su: joe to root on /dev/ttyv0 May 20 14:16:57 ovation /kernel: panic: kmem_malloc: kmem_map too small May 20 14:16:57 ovation /kernel: May 20 14:16:58 ovation /kernel: syncing disks... panic: kmem_malloc: kmem_map too small May 20 14:16:58 ovation /kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort May 20 14:16:58 ovation /kernel: Rebooting... May 20 14:16:58 ovation /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Fri May 17 23:28:58 PDT 1996 May 20 14:16:58 ovation /kernel: root@ovation.via.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/WWW May 20 14:16:58 ovation /kernel: CPU: 100-MHz Pentium 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) May 20 14:16:58 ovation /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 May 20 14:16:59 ovation /kernel: Features=0x1bf May 20 14:16:59 ovation /kernel: real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) May 20 14:16:59 ovation /kernel: avail memory = 127799296 (124804K bytes) May 20 14:16:59 ovation /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: May 20 14:16:59 ovation /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard May 20 14:17:00 ovation /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> May 20 14:17:01 ovation /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa May 20 14:17:01 ovation /kernel: sio0: type 16550A May 20 14:17:01 ovation /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa May 20 14:17:02 ovation /kernel: sio1: type 16550A May 20 14:17:02 ovation /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa May 20 14:17:02 ovation /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port May 20 14:17:02 ovation /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface May 20 14:17:02 ovation /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa May 20 14:17:03 ovation /kernel: fdc0: NEC 765 May 20 14:17:03 ovation /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in May 20 14:17:03 ovation /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa May 20 14:17:03 ovation /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): May 20 14:17:03 ovation /kernel: wd0: 1219MB (2496816 sectors), 2477 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S May 20 14:17:04 ovation /kernel: aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa May 20 14:17:04 ovation /kernel: aha0 waiting for scsi devices to settle May 20 14:17:04 ovation /kernel: (aha0:0:0): "NEC CD-ROM CDR-210P 1.0" type 5 removable SCSI 1 May 20 14:17:04 ovation /kernel: cd0(aha0:0:0): CD-ROM cd present.[160790 x 2048 byte records] May 20 14:17:05 ovation /kernel: (aha0:2:0): "SyQuest SQ3270S 3_04" type 0 removable SCSI 2 May 20 14:17:05 ovation /kernel: sd0(aha0:2:0): Direct-Access 256MB (524288 512 byte sectors) May 20 14:17:05 ovation /kernel: mcd0: timeout getting status May 20 14:17:05 ovation /kernel: mcd1: timeout getting status May 20 14:17:06 ovation /kernel: le0: no board found at 0x300 May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: npx0 on motherboard May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: Probing for devices on the PCI bus: May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: pci0:0: vendor=0x10b9, device=0x1451, class=bridge (host) [no driver assigned] May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: pci0:2: vendor=0x10b9, device=0x1449, class=old (misc) [no driver assigned] May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: de0 rev 17 int a irq 10 on pci0:5 May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: de0: DC21041 [10Mb/s] pass 1.1 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:6b:b5:c8 May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: pci0:6: CMD, device=0x0640, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: de0: enabling 10baseT/UTP port May 20 14:17:07 ovation /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. May 20 14:17:13 ovation lpd[139]: restarted May 20 14:17:13 ovation lpd[142]: /usr/adm/lpd-errs: No such file or directory May 20 14:18:07 ovation login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 May 20 14:18:08 ovation login: login on ttyv0 as root May 20 14:21:35 ovation /kernel: panic: pmap_zero_page: CMAP busy May 20 14:21:35 ovation /kernel: May 20 14:21:35 ovation /kernel: syncing disks... 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 16 giving up May 20 14:21:35 ovation /kernel: panic: pmap_zero_page: CMAP busy May 20 14:21:36 ovation /kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 14:51:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA21153 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from croute.com (ishm2.croute.com [199.97.106.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21144 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 14:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bldg1.croute.com by croute.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01538; Mon, 20 May 96 16:50:19 CDT Received: from COMPUROUTE/SpoolDir by bldg1.croute.com (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 20 May 96 16:49:37 +600 Received: from SpoolDir by COMPUROUTE (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 20 May 96 16:49:08 +600 From: "Larry Dolinar" Organization: CompuRoute, Inc. To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:49:07 +600 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: DEC 2104x-based cards, PCI Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <2C119CB009B@bldg1.croute.com> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At the risk of raising ire, would some/anyone correct me on the following NICs and their caveats relative to 2.1-R. I'm recalling this *from memory*, and it appears majordomo supports indexing/retrieval, but not database searches, else I'd research this a different way. The context is for an FTP server that I'm setting up soon (Asus motherboard, etc.): medium traffic (3-5 simultaneous sessions). SMC EtherPower fine, no qualifications LinkSys EtherPCI fine, some later versions may be buggy? AddTron AE-350 PCI not sure, picture in catalog indistinct Boca BE100/10 " Yes, I know, very unscientific, but inquiring minds want to know. In particular, I'm seeing a prices of SMC EtherPower 140.00 (mail order) LinkSys EtherPCI 130.00 ( " ) AddTron AE-350 220.00 ( " ), 100.00 (local, Dallas) Boca BE100/10 110.00 ( " ) All opinions welcomed. regards, larry "..this really blew my mind / the fact that me / an overfed, long-haired, leaping gnome / would be the start of a Hollywood movie.." From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 15:11:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA22578 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crux4.cit.cornell.edu (ro11@CRUX4.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.232.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22570 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:09:28 -0400 Received: by crux4.cit.cornell.edu (5.65/2.0) id AA12398; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:09:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9605202209.AA12398@crux4.cit.cornell.edu> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After running pkg_add on the emacs-19.29.tgz file, I get everything set up with the one problem that the command %emacs produces an angry response from ld.so to the effect that some library in /usr/X11R6/lib is not found. I downloaded the beta XFree86 and ran ldconfig on /usr/X11R6/lib, but still have the same problem. Any suggestions would be appreciated... Rohan oberoi@cornell.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 15:27:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA24017 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24011 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA28693; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:22:56 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202222.PAA28693@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:22:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <199605182006.NAA05459@bubba.whistle.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at May 18, 96 01:06:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > So as far as the Internet, the IETF, the protocol police, and everybody > else is concerned, there's only a single host at this site and it's > obeying all the rules! If you disagree, then the burden of proof is on > you to quote the relevant RFC's. Actually, the burden is on someone who wants a proxy facility to write one, and if they choose to go the long way around and go with "masquerading", to get it integrated. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 15:33:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA24524 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24514 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA28715; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:29:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202229.PAA28715@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:29:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605190750.CAA08095@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at May 19, 96 02:50:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > IMO: The lack of masquerade is likely to prove the most significant > disability of FBSD relative to Linux, vis a vis market requirements > in the forseeable future. My most vulnerable assumption, in forming > this opinion, is probably my estimate of the proportion of potential > free unix users with multiple home machines *and* one of either multiple > home users or a dedicated/demand Internet connection. This is a valid point. On the other hand, Linux-style "masquerading" is just one of several potential soloutions to the problem, and it is by far one of the most complicated of those. Since anything that gets done (if it gets done) is basically going to be a "from scratch" implementation, it might as well not be an ugly hack to the IP code. IMO, it would be *less* work to build the two socks daemons. I think the restriction that you must use two private address networks and set up routes to make this work for unsock'ified Win95 clients (for example) to be acceptable; there are sufficient number for private networks that you won't run out any time soon. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 15:39:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA24941 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24868 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA28740; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:32:35 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202232.PAA28740@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:32:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: root@bonsai.its.utas.edu.au, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605200208.LAA20428@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 20, 96 11:38:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > According to the documentation > > SLiRP allows you to connect a network of hosts to the internet without needing > > globablly unique numbers (ie you can use 10.0.2.xxx for your hosts). > > > > Dose this contravene the rfcs? > > Not really. SLiRP only works on serial interfaces though. (you > could theoretically hang it off a 'tun' device though, with a bit of > hackery) If you did this, you would have the first of the two required socks proxy daemons that I've been going on about. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 15:43:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25193 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com ([207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25188 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA05448; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:43:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: whistle.com: smap set sender to using -f Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005446; Mon May 20 15:42:46 1996 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA01046; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:42:46 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199605202242.PAA01046@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: archie@whistle.com, terry@lambert.org, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <199605202222.PAA28693@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 20, 96 03:22:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > So as far as the Internet, the IETF, the protocol police, and everybody > > else is concerned, there's only a single host at this site and it's > > obeying all the rules! If you disagree, then the burden of proof is on > > you to quote the relevant RFC's. > > Actually, the burden is on someone who wants a proxy facility to > write one, and if they choose to go the long way around and go > with "masquerading", to get it integrated. That's a different burden from the one I was talking about, but OK :-) I'll say it again, I'm not interested in getting this stuff into the kernel any more than you are. I'm just saying that it is something that some people out there would really like to do, and if it could be facilitated somehow, those people would be very grateful. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie L. Cobbs, archie@whistle.com * Whistle Communications Corporation From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 15:50:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25729 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA25723 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA28777; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:45:51 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202245.PAA28777@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:45:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: alk@think.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605201537.IAA09391@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU> from "Bruce A. Mah" at May 20, 96 08:37:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > OK. Here are my technical gripes with IP masquerading: [ ... ] > 1. It introduces hard state in the gateway machine. If the gateway > goes down and comes back up, you lose all the connections through it. > Note that some other approaches such as application-specific gateways > have this problem too. This is one of the *big* problems I see. The recovery mechanism to get around this requires an intelligent client (ie: not Windows 95) and the ability to recover state (ie: the client knows the state, too (ie: not Linux-style "masqueraing"). > 2. The Linux implementation (which I've examined *briefly*) puts all > kinds of application-specific stuff *in kernel*. There are all kinds > of clever tricks to get FTP, RealAudio, and other applications to work > right. Layering? What layering? The packet rewriting is a bit annoying; on the other hand, there are a finite number of protocols that really need to be supported this way, so it's bad, but it's not as bad as it could be. I am utterly amazed that Linux puts IP proxy services in the kernel, yet the same time puts the NFS server in user space. 8-|. > 3. There already exist other methods for doing what IP masquerading > does (for example SOCKs, application-specific gateways). Why does > FreeBSD need another? Socks really wants two additional tunnel-to-socks and socks-to-tunnel daemons written; using two private nets, this would let you run a private net of socks-unaware hosts that get their packets proxied by setting up a default route, a private net route to one tunnel on one private net, and a default route to the other tunnel on the private net with the dumb hosts. Effectively, a gateway LLB in user space. > 4. It's not a general purpose solution (e.g. ICMP doesn't work, UDP > support is a hack). For example, how would I ping outside my local > network to track down problems? The is the second of the *big* problems. > Just so people don't think I'm completely one-sided about this: > > 1. IP masquerading does slow down the rate that addresses get used up, > and, more importantly, the routing table size at the neighboring > network. This is a weenie answer (I realize you're just quoting here ;-)) and assumes IPv4 for eternity. It's bad because it codifies the current system. What we're really talking about here is differences in charges for routing table entries -- an artificial stair-step invented by some ISP's to make money (their routing hardware generally doesn't care). > 2. Extremely reluctantly, "Linux does it". If Linus jumped off a bridge... 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 15:57:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA26475 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26451 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id XAA22595; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:35:00 +0100 (BST) To: Tony Kimball cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 13:48:49 CDT." <199605201848.NAA16883@compound.Think.COM> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:34:58 +0100 Message-ID: <22593.832631698@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball wrote in message ID <199605201848.NAA16883@compound.Think.COM>: > 3. Corollary to #2: "Because Linux does it" is not a really good > reason to do something. > Quite the contrary, actually;-? So we should adopt the GPL? I think not. No, I have to agree to (3) above. Just because they have a lot more followers than we do does not mean we should treat their attitude to their kernel and the functionality (or lack of it) in it as a bible. I have often wondered about an writing IPMasquerade facility for the FreeBSD kernel. However, considering that I would also like to see FreeBSD gain wide commercial recognition (see Garrett's answer) and also conform to as many RFC's as possible, I no longer want that functionality, and in fact have a port of TIS's FWTK approaching completion so that at least I can run a private network and not be worried about possible braindamage on my gateway box. > 1. It introduces hard state in the gateway machine. If the gateway > goes down and comes back up, you lose all the connections through it. > Note that some other approaches such as application-specific gateways > have this problem too. > To my knowledge no solution is proposed which does not. I think > that an RFC on the subject is needed, frankly, to update > requirements in a manner which removes the need for gateway state. > This point is an argument against solving the problem, not against > solving it by masquerade. No thankyou. TCP is inherintely non-stateless (heck, it has a state machine as part of it's basic operation). Putting in non-stateless hacks will just really screw things up. Do you know why Sun's NFS is so poor performance wise? One reason (among many) - the server cannot keep any state information about the clients... > 3. There already exist other methods for doing what IP masquerading > does (for example SOCKs, application-specific gateways). Why does > FreeBSD need another? > Because they don't work. Masquerade works. At least for its > applications. It seems to me that the folks who don't need > masquerade don't care enough for them as do to advocate their plight > adequately to the project. Wrong. Socks works. Works a lot better than Masquerading actually. SOCKS means that if there is a bug in a application-level gateway, it isn't disasterous. A Masquerade bug could start mixing up the i/o streams. No thankyou. If nothing else, I believe it is possible for a SOCKS implimentation for Windows workstations to be done at the winsock.dll level, isn't it? That should remove the need for separate support in each application. > 4. It's not a general purpose solution (e.g. ICMP doesn't work, UDP > support is a hack). For example, how would I ping outside my local > network to track down problems? > From the masquerade host. ICMP works fine, to the network > interface of the *system*. UDP is not a host requirement. One reason for having masquerade is to allow you to offload shell processing load from the gateway. You are promptly putting that load back on. Garrett has his reasons for not liking masquerading, I have mine. And before you start thinking ``this guy is nuts ... he doesn't know what it's like with a singe IP address and a LAN to run from that one address). Wrong. I have 3 IP capable machines in my appartment, and one IP address (palmer.demon.co.uk, 158.152.50.50). If I need to get access to the internet from my LAN, I use a proxy gateway. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 16:05:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA26966 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26961 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA28811; Mon, 20 May 1996 15:56:39 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202256.PAA28811@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:56:39 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, archie@whistle.com, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu In-Reply-To: <199605202242.PAA01046@bubba.whistle.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at May 20, 96 03:42:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, the burden is on someone who wants a proxy facility to > > write one, and if they choose to go the long way around and go > > with "masquerading", to get it integrated. > > That's a different burden from the one I was talking about, but OK :-) > > I'll say it again, I'm not interested in getting this stuff into > the kernel any more than you are. I'm just saying that it is something > that some people out there would really like to do, and if it could > be facilitated somehow, those people would be very grateful. How about we provide them a working tunnel device, source code for SLiRP, which can be modified to be the type 1 socks proxy daemon, and source code for user mode PPP, which can be modified to be the type 2 socks proxy daemon? 8-) 8-) 8-). Seems to me that it would be less than 60 hours of work to do the whole thing -- ~2 full weekends. Doing the kernel code for a Linux-style implementation in such a way as to not screw anything up seems to be on the order of 120+ hours (both figures include testing and documentation and control software). Personally, I'm not going to blow all my uncommitted time for a month to code up something I'll never use, even if there are good, solid religious reasons for doing so. Two months is totally out of the question, especially since the result would be inferior. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 16:10:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA27226 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hosaka.smallworks.com (hosaka.SmallWorks.COM [192.207.126.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27221 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: jim@SmallWorks.COM Received: from butthead.SmallWorks.COM by hosaka.smallworks.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15975; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:10:50 -0500 Received: by butthead.SmallWorks.COM (4.1/SPARCbook_POP1.3) id AA02485; Mon, 20 May 96 18:07:17 CDT Date: Mon, 20 May 96 18:07:17 CDT Message-Id: <9605202307.AA02485@butthead.SmallWorks.COM> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: fast ethernet cards? Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What is the recommended FAST (PCI-base) ethernet card to use on FreeBSD? Jim From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 16:20:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA27765 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27712 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA28888; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:15:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202315.QAA28888@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:15:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, alk@Think.COM, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605180824.BAA02382@bubba.whistle.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at May 18, 96 01:24:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > A simple idea would be to have "detour" devices where you could > open /dev/filteri0 and /dev/filtero0, attach them to some interface, > and have all packets (optionally before or after (de)fragmentation) > passing through that interface routed up one and down the other. > > Better yet, with devfs, they could even have names like /dev/if_ed1 > and /dev/of_ed1 and no binding operation would be necessary. Then the > picture would look roughly like this: > > --> /dev/if_ed1 --> > / \ > network <--> interface ed1 <--> <--> kernel routing > \ / > <-- /dev/of_ed1 <-- > > When either file is not open, packets pass normally without the detour, > and with normal kernel speed. When one is open, you get to play your > games with them but pay a penalty in speed. In the same way that user > land PPP has become more popular and widely developed than kernel land > PPP, even though it is supposedly slower, I think something like this > would also be a net gain both for fostering useful developments and > fighting kernel bloat. > > I guess you could also do this just using the existing tunnel devices > with some kind of "redirect" ioctl(). > > Terry, what do you think of this idea? How would you design a general > purpose user land filtering mechanism? /dev/net/ed1 8-). Open it and ioctl to get an fd for inbound or outbound (you want fd's so that _exit() will fix it when your daemon crashes). I think you want to be able to implement firewalling at this level, so you would need to be able to attach both inbound and outbound control segments. Using fd's would also allow you to use select() to do everything in one daemon. The use of a special /dev/net (if we drag devfs into it 8-)) would let you iterate all devices, and set a select for exceptional conditions for /dev/net itself. Then when you hot-plug a PCMCIA card in, and a device is created, you could install your filtering. You could also bring the interface online and offline automatically based on the select for exceptional /dev/net events... not that you would even open /dev/ed1 for that. ;-). You'd probably want a seperate ioctl for the /dev/net/ed1 to start the break and filter through user space; for a configured device, that would mean that you don't lose packets between opening the fd's via the ioctl() and the point where you are set up enough to be able to process them. Installing BPF would be as simple as running a bpf daemon -- which would create a device /dev/net/bpf using a "device tunnel" (open any device in /dev or /dev iteself and ioctl() to create a subdevice which is a tunnel with your process on the "master" end) and hook itself into the service pipeline. Or you could load the thing as an LKM using the kernel version of the interface (I think you could fix the domain crossing and scheduling problems using locked code segments and RT scheduling classes, respectively... ioctl down the address of the processing function in the process address space (assume PIC code) and the kernel could call it directly, provided the pages were in core and there was no global state. There's really no reason why process context is needed to access code pages if they are dual-mapped). Anything loaded this way would, like a better PTY driver, be a cloning device, so you wouldn't have to preconfigure resource limits. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 16:22:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA27932 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU (mailhub.Stanford.EDU [36.21.0.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27927 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elaine57.Stanford.EDU (elaine57.Stanford.EDU [36.220.0.25]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29316 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31A0FEAD.41C67EA6@leland.Stanford.EDU> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:22:21 -0700 From: Brandon Wood X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: installation help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to install FreeBSD over an FTP connection and I can't get the installation program to recognize my Ethernet card. When it tries to initialize the connection, it says "Error configuring device lp0". I have an Intel Etherexpress Pro/10 set on IRQ5, Address 0x300. I ran the -c config utility and chose the Etherexpress driver and modified the IRQ and base address settings appropriately. Also, when it asks for the memory address, does it mean the Flash Address, because that's what I tried. I'm positive my network settings (IP, Gateway, etc.) are correct, so the error must be in the ethernet card's hardware configuration. Other info: I have a 486/66/8MB, 1parallel,2serial,2IDE HDD,SoundBlaster16,Ethernet card. Pretty standard config. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Brandon Wood bwood@leland.stanford.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 16:27:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA28128 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28123 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA28909; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:22:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202322.QAA28909@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: vrao@roma.physics.uiuc.edu (Vivek Rao) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:22:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, vivek@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <319E7CFC.68B0@roma.physics.uiuc.edu> from "Vivek Rao" at May 18, 96 08:44:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > (1)Could you describe the major differences between BSD and Linux? In > what ways is each operating system better? It is shorter to New York than by bus. > (2) Is BSD easier to install than > Linux? -- I have trouble installing Linux. What's the difference between a duck? > (3)Will software for Linux run on BSD and vice versa? Yes and no, respectively (finally, a sequitur). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 16:40:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29061 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29056 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA30535; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:40:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. In-Reply-To: <9605202209.AA12398@crux4.cit.cornell.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > After running pkg_add on the emacs-19.29.tgz file, I get everything > set up with the one problem that the command > > %emacs > > produces an angry response from ld.so to the effect that some > library in /usr/X11R6/lib is not found. I downloaded the beta > XFree86 and ran ldconfig on /usr/X11R6/lib, but still have the > same problem. I think the problem would be solved with a line like thus: ln -s /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0 /usr/lib/libc.so.2.2 (I may have 'em backwards, see which one you don't have and link accordingly) Good luck, Brian From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 16:46:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29517 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29512 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA28978; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:41:52 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202341.QAA28978@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 3Com Support? -- NOT To: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu (John Clark) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:41:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960519140200.002d7ea8@felix.iupui.edu> from "John Clark" at May 19, 96 01:57:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Might I suggest you have 2 hardware lists: "Works" and "Almost Works." I > know you all want to make it look like FreeBSD supports many hardware > configurations, but you and I both know that that is not true. Actually, which cards work depend on your motherboard not being buggy. Since manufacturers don't publically note when they rev a motherboard, this is going to be a bit hard to do for you. We can, of course, describe the attributes of a "good" motherboard, but without selling you a $300+ hardware card and software, we can't really tell if a given motherboard will or won't have those attributes. If there are only 10 motherboards and 30 cards of known revison we care about, you'll only need to test 40! (factorial -- I'm not exclaiming there) hardware combinations to build your does work/doesn't work list. > I just built a system from scratch, being careful to buy products that were > supported by FreeBSD only to find out that your hardware compatibility list Any hardware for which there are drivers that someone has successfully run the hardware without error, is fully supported hardware. For instance, Promise EIDE controllers are fully supported, even though it's well known that they don't "just plug in" because their INT 13 trapping BIOS is pure evil. > I now need to buy ANOTHER NIC, and I don't know which brand to buy. I know > your hardware compatibility list can not be trusted, so where do I turn? > What am I supposed to do? Ask about your particular hardware. > Does the 3c509 card really work? Yes. Depending on the version of the OS you are running, your PnP settings being off, etc., etc. See the other messages from people running this exact card. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 16:54:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29946 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA29941; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Mon, 20 May 96 19:53:56 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Mon, 20 May 96 19:53:52 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18444; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:54:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:54:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605202354.SAA18444@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <22593.832631698@palmer.demon.co.uk> (gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: "Gary Palmer" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:34:58 +0100 Putting in non-stateless hacks will just really screw things up. FUD. I think the gig will be to generate state in response to traffic. A Masquerade bug could start mixing up the i/o streams. FUD. If nothing else, I believe it is possible for a SOCKS implimentation for Windows workstations to be done at the winsock.dll level, isn't it? Windows can go suck eggs as far as I'm concerned. I don't care about Windows. I don't care about MacOS, and I don't care about OS/2. I care about my lawnmower, and keeping my pop-tarts in a non-combustive state. Just wait 'til you get a taste for those strawberry sweeties and alzheimer's sets in. Poof, there goes your house. Don't say I didn't warn you. I'm worried about the k12 using an FBSD gateway, having zero network expertise. I want them to be able to push a button and then when they plug in their Apple ][e it just works. One reason for having masquerade is to allow you to offload shell processing load from the gateway. You are promptly putting that load back on. Garrett has his reasons for not liking masquerading, I have mine. Fine, don't use it. I think it would be silly not to take advantage of it, once it is in place, however, since it will simplify your administrative burden. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:02:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA00538 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00531 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA29066; Mon, 20 May 1996 16:58:24 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605202358.QAA29066@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0beta and Java in FreeBSD To: edward@cpm.telrad.co.il (Edward Beili) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:58:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Edward Beili" at May 20, 96 07:57:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Last night I tried the latest Netscape 3.0 beta on FreeBSD 2.1R > (486DX33 with 8Mb of RAM). It didn't run Java applets > even though Netscape says it should. More over when I attempted > to use its built-in Java compiler > (netscape -java sun.tools.javac.Main Test.java) > it crashed with "Memory fault" error. I suspect it wants more memory... > Did anybody have a better experience? For that matter what is the status > of JDK for FreeBSD? Here is one fix (as root): cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir There is also an environment variable (with a "C" in it if I remember) that you should *unset* for JAVA to work. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:04:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA00772 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00763 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aa28476; 21 May 96 0:04 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa10690; 21 May 96 1:01 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA02844; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:52:14 GMT Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:52:14 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605210052.AAA02844@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: jcrawfor@infinet.com CC: questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199605201754.NAA09517@mail1.infinet.com> (message from James Crawford - Infinet on Mon, 20 May 96 14:05:36 -0500) Subject: Re: Kernel Problems Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I don't have any SCSI devices on my computer and was commenting them all out > but I get an error when I run my make command. It goes to the end and gets > an > error 1. It appears to be undefined errors on SCSI devices. Heres a copy > of my kernel. This version is 2.1 and was downloaded from ftp.FreeBSD.org. It's always helpful if you can give the *exact* error message. However, I think the problem's here:- > controller ncr0 > controller ahc0 These are both SCSI controllers, but... > #controller scbus0 ...the SCSI base code is missing. Just comment out the ncr0 and ahc0 entries. Hope this helps. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland jraynard@dial.pipex.com james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:10:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA01142 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (root@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.172]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01137; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11094; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:10:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199605210010.RAA11094@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: "Gary Palmer" cc: Tony Kimball , bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 23:34:58 BST." <22593.832631698@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-to: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:10:43 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Gary Palmer" writes: > Tony Kimball wrote in message ID > <199605201848.NAA16883@compound.Think.COM>: [snip] > > 1. It introduces hard state in the gateway machine. If the gateway > > goes down and comes back up, you lose all the connections through it. > > Note that some other approaches such as application-specific gateways > > have this problem too. > > > To my knowledge no solution is proposed which does not. I think > > that an RFC on the subject is needed, frankly, to update > > requirements in a manner which removes the need for gateway state. > > This point is an argument against solving the problem, not against > > solving it by masquerade. > > No thankyou. TCP is inherintely non-stateless (heck, it has a state > machine as part of it's basic operation). Putting in non-stateless > hacks will just really screw things up. Do you know why Sun's NFS is > so poor performance wise? One reason (among many) - the server cannot > keep any state information about the clients... I'm going to use "stateful" == "non-stateless", to eliminate a double negative. :-) Making gateways stateful goes against one of the basic design principles of the Internet, which calls for having as little "hard state" as possible. In other words, if you need to maintain state in your network, make sure your network won't break if it goes away. This has allowed the Internet routing infrastructure to be extremely adaptable to various failures (including downtime of gateways). Putting all of this stuff in a gateway is going to be difficult to do cleanly, since you're subjected to the disadvantages of both "religions". > > 4. It's not a general purpose solution (e.g. ICMP doesn't work, UDP > > support is a hack). For example, how would I ping outside my local > > network to track down problems? > > > From the masquerade host. ICMP works fine, to the network > > interface of the *system*. UDP is not a host requirement. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To Tony: Are you saying that just because FTP, telnet, and Web don't run over UDP it's not important? I respectfully disagree. > One reason for having masquerade is to allow you to offload shell > processing load from the gateway. You are promptly putting that load > back on. Garrett has his reasons for not liking masquerading, I have > mine. Hadn't thought about this...I guess if your machine is CPU-challenged this could be an issue. Bruce. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA01230 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01225 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Mon, 20 May 96 20:09:10 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Mon, 20 May 96 20:09:05 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18525; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:10:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:10:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605210010.TAA18525@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: terry@lambert.org Cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu Cc: alk@Think.COM, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605202245.PAA28777@phaeton.artisoft.com> (message from Terry Lambert on Mon, 20 May 1996 15:45:51 -0700 (MST)) Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Terry Lambert Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 15:45:51 -0700 (MST) This is one of the *big* problems I see. The recovery mechanism to get around this requires an intelligent client (ie: not Windows 95) and the ability to recover state (ie: the client knows the state, too (ie: not Linux-style "masqueraing"). Couldn't state be inferred from the retry packets? The packet rewriting is a bit annoying; on the other hand, there are a finite number of protocols that really need to be supported this way, so it's bad, but it's not as bad as it could be. It would be nice to pull out the rewriting stuff into loadable rule sets. Socks really wants two additional tunnel-to-socks and socks-to-tunnel daemons written; using two private nets, this would let you run a private net of socks-unaware hosts that get their packets proxied by setting up a default route, a private net route to one tunnel on one private net, and a default route to the other tunnel on the private net with the dumb hosts. Effectively, a gateway LLB in user space. I'm trying to picture this, but I'm crippled by lack of understanding of the tunnel device. There is a box, G. It has a network interface, I(G), on the Internet. It has a network interface, P(G), on a private net. Hosts on network P route through P(G) to get out through I(G). G is implementing masquerade, then. I don't understand what you are saying about the structure of the implementation. > 4. It's not a general purpose solution (e.g. ICMP doesn't work... The is the second of the *big* problems. I don't understand why it is a big problem. It is a big problem if you are trying to put the private machines on the Internet, but I don't see that as being the goal. The goal is to get TCP applications (and secondarily UDP applications) to run transparently from a private network home through an Internet gateway. If the gateway violates host requirements, *that* is a problem. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:15:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA01527 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paloalto.access.hp.com (daemon@paloalto.access.hp.com [15.254.56.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01522 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpautobo.aus.hp.com by paloalto.access.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA099317739; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:15:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199605210015.AA099317739@paloalto.access.hp.com> Received: by hpautobo.aus.hp.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA073826120; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:48:40 +1000 From: M C Wong Subject: [2.1R] demand dial software needed To: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org (freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com) Date: Tue, 21 May 96 9:48:40 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm using 2.1R now and I need some software to do demand-dial to set up SLIP connection to the net when a packet is detected to out-bound to the net. Can anyone suggest some good tools ? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:24:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA02256 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02250 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Mon, 20 May 96 20:24:39 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Mon, 20 May 96 20:24:36 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18598; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:25:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:25:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605210025.TAA18598@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210010.RAA11094@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU> (bmah@cs.berkeley.edu) Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > From the masquerade host. ICMP works fine, to the network > > interface of the *system*. UDP is not a host requirement. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To Tony: Are you saying that just because FTP, telnet, and Web don't run over UDP it's not important? I respectfully disagree. I'm meaning that lack of support for UDP would not make a masquerade scheme violate host requirements. Frankly I haven't clue one about how to implement UDP masquerade, never having so much as glanced at the problem. To clarify another point: I do not advocate a linux-style implementation of masquerade. I'm just too ignorant of the alternatives to make a specific proposal, and too enthusiastically supportive of the functional goal to keep my mouth shut. A dangerous combination. TCP is *more* important the UDP, though, for the preponderance of "customers", that much seems obvious. UDP is second-order. //alk From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:25:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA02295 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (root@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.172]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02290 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA11139; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:23:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199605210023.RAA11139@premise.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: Terry Lambert cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, alk@think.com, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 15:45:51 PDT." <199605202245.PAA28777@phaeton.artisoft.com> From: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-to: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 17:23:35 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > 2. The Linux implementation (which I've examined *briefly*) puts all > > kinds of application-specific stuff *in kernel*. There are all kinds > > of clever tricks to get FTP, RealAudio, and other applications to work > > right. Layering? What layering? > > The packet rewriting is a bit annoying; on the other hand, there are > a finite number of protocols that really need to be supported this > way, so it's bad, but it's not as bad as it could be. Of course it'd be nice to fix protocols so they don't require these hacks (like change FTP not to require IP addresses to be passed in ASCII in the datastream). This isn't really practical, but I thought I'd mention it as an afterthought. I don't even want to think about how IP multicast applications would work with this thing. > > 3. There already exist other methods for doing what IP masquerading > > does (for example SOCKs, application-specific gateways). Why does > > FreeBSD need another? > > Socks really wants two additional tunnel-to-socks and socks-to-tunnel > daemons written; using two private nets, this would let you run a > private net of socks-unaware hosts that get their packets proxied > by setting up a default route, a private net route to one tunnel on > one private net, and a default route to the other tunnel on the > private net with the dumb hosts. Effectively, a gateway LLB in user > space. Dumb question: What's LLB? (You can send to me privately if it's a well-known term.) (Link-layer bridge?) > > Just so people don't think I'm completely one-sided about this: > > > > 1. IP masquerading does slow down the rate that addresses get used up, > > and, more importantly, the routing table size at the neighboring > > network. > > This is a weenie answer (I realize you're just quoting here ;-)) and > assumes IPv4 for eternity. It's bad because it codifies the current > system. What we're really talking about here is differences in charges > for routing table entries -- an artificial stair-step invented by some > ISP's to make money (their routing hardware generally doesn't care). I agree it's a weenie answer, but for the record I wasn't quoting...I had to think about 1/2 hour to come up with it. I also agree with most of the points you just made, especially the last one. However, the problem would be the same for IPv6 (I was thinking about using up addresses in an ISP's allocated address block, not the entire Internet). > > 2. Extremely reluctantly, "Linux does it". > > If Linus jumped off a bridge... 8-). Well...that one I was sort of paraphrasing... :-) Bruce. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:27:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA02399 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02390 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id au04299; 21 May 96 1:23 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa06352; 21 May 96 0:30 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA01990; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:55 GMT Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:55 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605202213.WAA01990@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: gea@masternet.it CC: questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <31A02ED6.7EB6@masternet.it> (message from Beck Peccoz Amedeo on Mon, 20 May 1996 10:35:34 +0200) Subject: Re: ppp not resolving names Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Beck Peccoz Amedeo writes: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------122922847688 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I'm running ppp, but I can't have name resolved, other than the ones specified in > /etc/hosts, it seems it can't reach any name resolver. note that if I give directly IPs > everything seems to work (ping, telnet..). [snip] > Attached are my ppp configuration files and my /etc/sysconfig. The key is in the contents of the /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf and /etc/resolv.conf files. Assuming you have a standalone machine, and are not running a nameserver, they should look something like this:- /etc/hosts ~~~~~~~~~~ 127.0.0.1 localhost aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd myhost.mydomain where myhost.mydomain is the fully-qualified host name, eg jraynard.demon.co.uk in my case, and aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is its IP address. /etc/host.conf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hosts bind /etc/resolv.conf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ domain mydomain nameserver www.xxx.yyy.zzz Where mydomain is the domain name, eg demon.co.uk in my case, and www.xxx.yyy.zzz is the IP address of the nameserver (if there is more than one nameserver, put them on separate lines). -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland jraynard@dial.pipex.com james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 17:56:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA06160 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06152 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 17:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ginger.eng.umd.edu (ginger.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.204]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17600; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by ginger.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA22315; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:56:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@ginger.eng.umd.edu To: ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. In-Reply-To: <9605202209.AA12398@crux4.cit.cornell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996 ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu wrote: > > After running pkg_add on the emacs-19.29.tgz file, I get everything > set up with the one problem that the command > > %emacs > > produces an angry response from ld.so to the effect that some > library in /usr/X11R6/lib is not found. I downloaded the beta > XFree86 and ran ldconfig on /usr/X11R6/lib, but still have the > same problem. Suggest you show us the error message involved. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated... > > Rohan > oberoi@cornell.edu > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:20:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08617 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08540 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23659; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:01:52 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210131.LAA23659@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD prepared for the future? To: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:01:52 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9604208326.AA832626871@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "Brett Glass" at May 20, 96 02:54:36 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass stands accused of saying: > > Just read yet another doomsaying article about the Millenium and the havoc > it will wreak with much computer software. As I recall, D-day for UNIX > is different -- the crisis comes a little bit into the next century. > > Has FreeBSD been updated so that its "seconds since the start of time" > clock will not overflow? If we're still using FreeBSD in 2038, then we can worry about fixing programs that assume that time_t is signed. Once we do that, we buy another 68 years, and I expect to be _dead_ before that runs out. > --Brett -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:25:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08975 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08970; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23709; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:08:22 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210138.LAA23709@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: gpalmer@freebsd.org (Gary Palmer) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:08:22 +0930 (CST) Cc: alk@Think.COM, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <22593.832631698@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at May 20, 96 11:34:58 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer stands accused of saying: > > Wrong. Socks works. Works a lot better than Masquerading > actually. SOCKS means that if there is a bug in a application-level > gateway, it isn't disasterous. A Masquerade bug could start mixing up > the i/o streams. No thankyou. > > If nothing else, I believe it is possible for a SOCKS implimentation > for Windows workstations to be done at the winsock.dll level, isn't > it? That should remove the need for separate support in each > application. This is correct. AFAIK, IBM have SOCKS support in their current TCP stack for OS/2 as well. > And before you start thinking ``this guy is nuts ... he doesn't know > what it's like with a singe IP address and a LAN to run from that one > address). Wrong. I have 3 IP capable machines in my appartment, and > one IP address (palmer.demon.co.uk, 158.152.50.50). If I need to get > access to the internet from my LAN, I use a proxy gateway. You're not alone 8) Although I have my own C at home, we ran a network which fluctuated up to 20 machines at times here at work for about a year using a single IP and a SOCKS proxy. In all that time, there was never anything we wanted to do that couldn't be done with it. > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:27:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA09080 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA09072 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corona (x2s5p9.dialin.iupui.edu [134.68.249.68]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA01541 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:26:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:26:43 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960520203115.002f4f78@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: John Clark Subject: Ports Collection -- up-to-date Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, It is not at all obvious how the ports collection works. I have read the handbook chapter several times, and I am battled at how the whole process works. I understand the ports collection to be a collection of software tweaked to run with FreeBSD. I ftp'ed to "ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/distfiles" and picked-up apache_1.0.5.tar.gz. I unpacked the file into /usr/ports (I had to make the "ports" directory). Upon looking through the Makefile, I saw that it was configured for Sun OS. This does not seem very "tweaked" to me. I must be missing something, I can download apache myself (from apache) and do the manual configuration. I was lead to believe that someone had already config'ed the files to run under FreeBSD, I must be missing something. Can someone fill me in on how to use the ports collection? --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:39:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA09955 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09950 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23928; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:22:14 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210152.LAA23928@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Communications help wanted To: ptitsyn@benpc.bionet.nsk.su (Andrey A.Ptitsyn) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:22:14 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605220214.JAA05443@benpc.bionet.nsk.su> from "Andrey A.Ptitsyn" at May 17, 96 02:13:28 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry about taking so long to get back to you on this one. Andrey A.Ptitsyn stands accused of saying: > > We are purely academic team building internet connections in our > research intitute. Now we face a problem: how to link up a remote PC > in a building 500 meters away from our FreeBSD-powered host. What we > have is one-paire wire to the building, couple of US Robotics > Sportster modems and very limited cash. The PC runs Win 3.1. No > dial-up connection is available. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sell the modems to raise some more cash. Use the cash to invest in a pair of 2-wire line drivers. Dial modems generally won't talk to each other without line power. Make sure you go for drivers with RS-232 _async_ interfaces. Then run SLIP or PPP over the link. > Andrey A.Ptitsyn -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:42:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10235 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10228 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23967; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:25:11 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210155.LAA23967@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Question (fwd) To: doc@gulf.net Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:25:11 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Paul Hsu" at May 17, 96 07:05:05 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Paul Hsu stands accused of saying: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 18:18:54 -0500 > From: Brian Watson > To: support@cdrom.com > Subject: Question > > Does FreeBSD 2.2 ship with X11R6.1? If not, do you plan on shipping it > with R6.1 in a future release? FreeBSD 2.2 isn't shipping, and won't be for many months. FreeBSD always ships with what is most current from the XFree86 project. Go pester them (questions@XFree86.org) about it 8) > Brian Watson -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:48:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10623 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10614; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA06598; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:01:21 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605210201.TAA06598@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: To: gpalmer@freebsd.org (Gary Palmer) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, slagos@net1plus.com, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20527.832557068@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at May 20, 96 02:51:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Michael Smith wrote in message ID > <199605200139.LAA20337@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au>: > > Scott A. Lagos stands accused of saying: > > > How many IP addresses can be supported on a single Ethernet card when > > > running under the latest version of FreeBSD. > > Thousands. I got bored at about the 5,000 mark, but nothing popped up to > > stop me. (20 class C aliases). > *ONLY* 5000? Anyone got a registered class B or A address space they > want to volunteer for testing? :-) (just kidding) > > Gary Speaking of IP aliasing (again) I was thinking.... I currently have two FreeBSD boxes mirrored as ftp sites. I'm using DNS round-robin to balance the load. The question has come up: "What happens if one of them goes down?" I was thinking I could use IP aliases to add some fault tolerance to the soup. Basically if a machine fails now then every other request to start an ftp session will fail. This is better than having them *all* fail -- but not much better from the tech support rep's point of view. What I was thinking would work something like this: BIND the first IP address (as I'm doing already) to the primary interface on each machine. (Call these the ftp/rr addresses) BIND a second IP address (alias) to the ether interface on each machine. (Call these the "control" addresses) Write a script that polls the ftp/rr address on each of the other machines in the ring periodically. If the poll fails (past a set threshold) then IP alias the failed machine's port to the local ether's interface. Write another script and add it to the rc.local of each of these machines. This script does an rsh (or a custom finger or whatever) to the "control" address on the machine that's aliased "my" primary address (I have to bring up my "control" IP to talk at all but I can send my "I'm back up message" to the "my ftp/rr address"). When the machine that took over for a failed member of the round robin team get this remote message (rsh or custom finger) it drops the alias (for the failed system). Meanwhile the system that had failed, and is now back on line polls "its" ftp/rr address until it fails -- then it can finally BIND it back. There might be some race conditions if I set this up for more than two machines. I could add some additional checks for that or I could just limit myself to using machine pairs. I don't expect to have to scale past two ftp hosts (currently 400 ftp connections each and probably 800 - 1000 with the next RAM upgrade in each) and two www hosts (currently only one -- a Sparc 20 that's massively *underloaded*) for at least six to nine months. The idea is that machines in a round robin ring could "cover" for one another using simple scripts and IP aliasing. There's no kernels hacks, no dynamic DNS hacks, and no applications layer hacks necessary. I would naturally lose any connections during the initial failure -- and I'd probably kill any connections that had been established before the "dead" system got resurrected. I might have to add logic to have the "dead" system check it's own messages log and leave itself out of the ring if it rebooted more than three times in an hour or something (I could also use some sort of control file to keep a count). This all seems too easy -- yet I haven't heard of anyone using it. Of course I also haven't heard of any sites using round robin DNS either -- and that was easy, too. So... what am I missing? Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:52:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10845 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10838 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24044; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:35:14 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210205.LAA24044@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: My mouse and xfree86 don't get along To: brian@MediaCity.com Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:35:14 +0930 (CST) Cc: sparkles@leland.Stanford.EDU, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605190518.WAA12686@MediaCity.com> from "Brian Litzinger" at May 18, 96 10:18:15 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Litzinger stands accused of saying: > > > > We're trying to bring up a freeBSD box. The biggest problem so far > > is that we bring up the X server/client system (xfree86), and it just > > hangs. I think it's something to do with the mouse, because we've just > > specified /dev/mouse for the mouse driver. We have a bus mouse, and we've > > set all the params properly in xf86config, but we haven't filled in any of > > the make/model text strings (those don't seem to get used at all). So when Ok. A few questions : what sort of busmouse are you using? Microsoft, Logitech, Mouse Systems? Note that you really want a 3-button mouse for X. Also, are you certain it's a bus mouse and not a PS/2 mouse? Which version of FreeBSD, installed from where (CD or FTP?) You're correct about the make/model fields, they're just there so that it's possible to automagically build a database of cards, monitors and modes by processing the file. I don't think anyone actually _does_ this. > > we bring up X, we get the cursor and the standard backdrop stipple on the > > screen, but the mouse cursor won't move at all. We've tried switching to You're not starting X correctly if that's all you get 8) The 'best' way to start X is with xdm, either by running it out of /etc/rc.local, or in /etc/ttys. Both methods are discussed in the XFree86 installation notes. (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/* - not an intuitive location I admit) > > /dev/mse0, and that seems to cause the entire system to reboot in the > > middle of starting up X. We don't even get to the stipple screen, nor do This sounds like you may have a really obscure hardware problem, or you may have found a bug in the busmouse driver. /dev/mse0 is correct for the Microsoft Bus Mouse driver. I don't (believe I) have access to a working MS busmouse at this point in time, but if your problem persists I may be able to locate one. Alternatively, I would strongly advocate purchasing a low-cost 3-button serial mouse if you want a minimum-pain solution! > > we get a cursor. Maybe you know what our problem is or can recommend how > > we might be able to find out more information. We haven't found a phone > > number for dev support at FreeBSD, maybe there isn't one. We've tried > > emailing their tech support group, but we haven't heard a response for > > several days, so we can only assume they don't tackle questions on a case > > by case basis. No phone numbers, but I don't recall seing your question go past before, and I watch this list pretty closely 8) Yes, we do our best to tackle problems on a case-by-case basis; support and solving user problems are a major point of pride for us. > > Robert James Williamson #include -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:52:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10869 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10864 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA29397; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:48:15 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605210148.SAA29397@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:48:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, alk@Think.COM, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210010.TAA18525@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at May 20, 96 07:10:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is one of the *big* problems I see. The recovery mechanism to get > around this requires an intelligent client (ie: not Windows 95) and > the ability to recover state (ie: the client knows the state, too > (ie: not Linux-style "masqueraing"). > > Couldn't state be inferred from the retry packets? I reboot. A packet comes in on port 3096: 1) Is it for me? If so, I've been dead. 2) Is it for the local net? Which host? 3) Is it an FTP data packet? Some other packet? What packet rewriting rules should I apply to it based on these assumptions? > It would be nice to pull out the rewriting stuff into loadable > rule sets. It would be nicer to not need them. > Socks really wants two additional tunnel-to-socks and socks-to-tunnel > daemons written; using two private nets, this would let you run a > private net of socks-unaware hosts that get their packets proxied > by setting up a default route, a private net route to one tunnel on > one private net, and a default route to the other tunnel on the > private net with the dumb hosts. Effectively, a gateway LLB in user > space. > > I'm trying to picture this, but I'm crippled by lack of understanding > of the tunnel device. There is a box, G. It has a network interface, > I(G), on the Internet. It has a network interface, P(G), on a private > net. Hosts on network P route through P(G) to get out through I(G). > G is implementing masquerade, then. I don't understand what you > are saying about the structure of the implementation. ,----. | | | | `----' ,----------. | client | `----------' | o-------+----+----------o local (reserved) net | ,--. |s | |e | |r | ,----. |v | | | |e | modem | | |r |____,-----.____ // ___ PPP provider `----' `--' `-----' // client default route: server on local net server default route: modem internal local net route: depends on packet destination (internal local net == net which only exists as a tunnel) client packet -> local net local net -> server server local packet -> gateway gateway -> tunnel device internal local net internal local net -> socks client (on server) socks client (on server) -> socks server (on server) socks server (on server) -> socks proxy socket on default route > > > 4. It's not a general purpose solution (e.g. ICMP doesn't work... > > The is the second of the *big* problems. > > I don't understand why it is a big problem. It is a big problem if > you are trying to put the private machines on the Internet, but > I don't see that as being the goal. The goal is to get TCP > applications (and secondarily UDP applications) to run transparently > from a private network home through an Internet gateway. In other words, to put them on the internet (by proxy). 8-). > If the gateway violates host requirements, *that* is a problem. Yes, a *big* one. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 18:54:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10968 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10963 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 18:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24061; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:37:27 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210207.LAA24061@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation Problems To: dlr@asylum.org (dlr) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:37:26 +0930 (CST) Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605191413.JAA07404@asylum.asylum.org> from "dlr" at May 19, 96 09:13:32 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > |> > |> When i run vi at i cannot see the file. i've tried vt100, > | > |You did not mention under what circumstances the vi problem occurs. > |Are you logging in remotely? Is the file contents visible for > |a short moment ? What are your stty settings? > > By setting term=pc3 or term=ibmpc i can get things to work on the console. Your terminal should be set to 'cons25' for the standard FreeBSD console. > i thought having xterm on both ends would allow me to make the window > larger smaller etc and xterm would take care of it. Starting vi > remotely (logged into freebsd) i don't see the file briefly. This may be Sun's xterm braindeath, or a pile of other things. If you have X on the BSD system, say this after logging in to the BSD system : % set term=xterm; eval `resize` (assuming csh as implied by the above) > dave -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:11:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA11755 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11748 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24194; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:54:47 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210224.LAA24194@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Adaptec AVA-1505 and AVA-1515 To: campbb@d-e.pvt.k12.nj.us (Bill Campbell) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:54:46 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Bill Campbell" at May 20, 96 08:51:36 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bill Campbell stands accused of saying: > > I checked the questions archive with no luck, and I haven't seen it > on a FreeBSD compatability list so I'll ask here. Does FreeBSD > currently support either the Adaptec AVA-1505 or AVA-1515 PIO SCSI > controllers? Yes. AFAIK they're based on the AIC-6260, which is supported by the 'aic' driver. > If so and I get the AVA-1515 (which has BIOS for booting) should I > be able to boot FreeBSD off of the Syquest drive? Basically, I may Theoretically yes. > need to get a SCSI controller just to run the Syqest EZ-135 drive > primarily under OS/2, but the option to tinker around with FreeBSD on > the same machine would be useful. Therefore, I would be trying to > boot FreeBSD off of the Syquest via OS/2 Boot Manager. (Do I even > have to have a SCSI controller with bios boot support or could I get > away with doing something with OS/2 Boot Manager or a diskette which > would allow me to run off the Syquest?) You could boot a kernel off a DOS partition using FBSDBOOT.EXE, which would probably be able to talk to the EZ-135 OK. Note that the EZ-135 apparently lies about its geometry. > * Bill Campbell email: campbb@d-e.pvt.k12.nj.us -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:15:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA11926 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbrann.dialup.access.net (jbrann.dialup.access.net [166.84.193.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA11921 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jbrann@localhost) by jbrann.dialup.access.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA02698 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:20:14 -0400 Message-Id: <199605210220.WAA02698@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Subject: FreeBSD (fwd) To: questions@freebsd.org (freeq) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:20:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Brann Reply-To: John Brann Organisation: Not while I'm at home X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ----- Forwarded message from SAMES M.I.S. ----- >From owner-freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org Mon May 20 06:58:04 1996 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.4]) by mail2.panix.com (8.7.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with ESMTP id GAA02120; Mon, 20 May 1996 06:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA11194; Mon, 20 May 1996 03:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA11151 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 03:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emma.sea.uct.ac.za (emma.sea.uct.ac.za [137.158.131.151]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA11144 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 03:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from shaun@localhost) by emma.sea.uct.ac.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA21078 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:40:55 +0200 Received: from storm. (storm.sea.uct.ac.za [137.158.132.29]) by emma.sea.uct.ac.za (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20973 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:27:24 +0200 Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by storm. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05326; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:25:13 -0200 Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA03084; Mon, 20 May 1996 05:26:36 -0400 Date: 20 May 96 05:21:31 EDT From: "SAMES M.I.S." <100075.1013@CompuServe.COM> To: Shaun Courtney Subject: FreeBSD Message-Id: <960520092131_100075.1013_EHK30-1@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I found your name/address in the FreeBSD file. I've got a query regarding FreeBSD. Let me state the problem. We want to set up a UNIX machine, which will link to the Internet via a leased line. This will become our internet mail/web server. All our users will connect to the UNIX machine to do their internet mail/ftp jobs. They use PC's which is linked via an Ethernet network to the UNIX machine. I have FreeBSD in mind, because of the cost :-) We also want to create Web pages (i.e. a web-server) on this UNIX machine. Now for the questions. Is there a mail package available with FreeBSD? What software does the PC's need to connect? (We're looking at installing Win4WG and/or Win95) Is there web server software available for FreeBSD? Will this type of setup work? Or do I need to look at another UNIX OS? Sorry to bother you with questions like this! Regards, Johan Erlank SAMES MIS ----- End of forwarded message from SAMES M.I.S. ----- -- Beavis and Butt-Head; Vladimir and Estragon for the '90s. finger jbrann@panix.com for pgp public key From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:16:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12044 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12035 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA24222; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:59:20 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210229.LAA24222@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Bridge To: v932492@si.hhs.nl (Schellart) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:59:19 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31A0D0A0.6C9E@si.hhs.nl> from "Schellart" at May 20, 96 10:05:52 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Schellart stands accused of saying: > > I've got a bridge from Bridge Comminications Inc. Model series/200. > Is there support for this bridge in freebsd? Puns about river-crossing structures aside; bridges don't require OS support. Why do people ask these questions when just _trying_it_out_ is so much easier? > Jeroen -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:17:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12217 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12207 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corona (x2s5p9.dialin.iupui.edu [134.68.249.68]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA01581 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:17:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:17:23 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960520212155.002f6e24@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: John Clark Subject: Where to find documentation on the ports collection? Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to use the ports collection with only the scant information available in the handbook. Does anyone know where documentation on "how to use the ports collection" can be found? I have tried to get just the "Makefile" and put it into some subdirectory, and then type "make." It does seem to fetch a few files, then it chokes and spits out all kinds of errors -- obviously doing this wrong. It would be nice if this "ports" collection were documented somewhere -- or it is and I can't find it. Seems like it should be so simple... Oh well, I'll just edit the config files by hand until I can figure it all out. A better idea would be to have a ports script that could be downloaded and run to yield a list of current ports that will run under the OS that the script was executed from. But then what do I know, I am just some fool who can't figure out how the ports collection works with zero documentation. :( --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:18:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12243 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12238 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA24242; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:01 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210231.MAA24242@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: NE2000 Plus not probed correctly? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:00 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 20, 96 02:00:58 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > > A friend of mine has a no-name ("Ether-16+") ISA Ethernet > controller that claims to be an NE2000+ card, but purports to run with > any NE2000 driver. The Novell-supplied drivers on the same machine > (booting into both DOS and OS/2 Warp) recognize and use the card > properly. It is configured for IRQ 12, port 0x300 and iomem 0xd0000 > in Novell. The ed0 driver is also configured with the same settings, > but the device probe on boot fails to locate the card ("ed0 not found > at 0x300"). We've tried different IRQ's and port addresses to no > avail. This is on a 2.1.0R machine, 100-MHz Cyrix 586. Any ideas? If the card has an 'iomem' setting, it's not an NE2000. Point the Crynwyr NE2000 packet driver at it and see whether it finds it. If it does, then it looks like the 'ed' driver is losing, otherwise perhaps it's not an 8390-compatible. > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:18:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12288 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux2.socomm.net (root@ns.socomm.net [206.31.121.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12282 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jrpogo.socomm.net (du-103.memphisonline.com [206.153.7.103]) by linux2.socomm.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA30675 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: <31A12A38.33C9@memphisonline.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:28:08 -0500 From: Jeff Pogodzinski X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: No disk found! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk While trying to install FreeBSD I got the following error: No disk found! Please verify that your disk controller is being properly probed at boot time.... How do I make sure my disk controller is being probed properly?? My system config: Packard Bell 486/66 Mhz, 8 Mb RAM C: 540 Mb IDE drive with Windows 95 D: 170 Mb IDE drive -- I want to install FreeBSD here! E: SCSI, Sony CDU-55S cdrom drive I look forward to running FreeBSD!! Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:20:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12486 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12439 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA24268; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:03:19 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210233.MAA24268@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. To: ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:03:18 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9605202209.AA12398@crux4.cit.cornell.edu> from "ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu" at May 20, 96 06:09:28 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu stands accused of saying: > > produces an angry response from ld.so to the effect that some > library in /usr/X11R6/lib is not found. I downloaded the beta > XFree86 and ran ldconfig on /usr/X11R6/lib, but still have the > same problem. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated... I'm resisting the urge to swear at you. Consider yourself lucky 8) _WHICH_ library isn't found? How can we _possibly_ tell what the problem is from here? Are we supposed to be telepathic, or perhaps to track your machine down, hack into it and check for ourselves? Please. Apply just a skerrick of the old grey matter here. > Rohan -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:24:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12719 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12714 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA24302; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:07:43 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210237.MAA24302@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: installation help To: bwood@leland.Stanford.EDU (Brandon Wood) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:07:43 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31A0FEAD.41C67EA6@leland.Stanford.EDU> from "Brandon Wood" at May 20, 96 04:22:21 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brandon Wood stands accused of saying: > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD over an FTP connection and I can't get the > installation program to recognize my Ethernet card. When it tries to > initialize the connection, it says "Error configuring device lp0". 'lp0' is, as the dialog _CLEARLY_STATES_, for a _parallel_port_ using a laplink cable. I can't imagine how it could be any more explicit 8( > I have an Intel Etherexpress Pro/10 set on IRQ5, Address 0x300. I ran > the -c config utility and chose the Etherexpress driver and modified the > IRQ and base address settings appropriately. Also, when it asks for the > memory address, does it mean the Flash Address, because that's what I > tried. I'm positive my network settings (IP, Gateway, etc.) are > correct, so the error must be in the ethernet card's hardware > configuration. If this is the PCI EtherExpress, then you will have to use the latest -SNAP release, as it's not supported in earlier versions. Note also that PCI devices are automatically configured, and can _not_ be managed with userconfig. > Brandon Wood -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:24:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12763 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail0.iij.ad.jp (root@mail0.iij.ad.jp [192.244.176.61]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12754 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uucp1.iij.ad.jp (uucp1.iij.ad.jp [192.244.176.73]) by mail0.iij.ad.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.3W9-MAIL) with ESMTP id LAA20768; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:24:37 +0900 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uucp1.iij.ad.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.3W9-UUCP) with UUCP id LAA18994; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:24:37 +0900 Received: from xxx.fct.kgc.co.jp by yyy.kgc.co.jp (8.7.5/3.4W:95122611) id LAA21109; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by xxx.fct.kgc.co.jp (8.6.12/3.3W8:95062916) id LAA11629; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:39 +0900 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:39 +0900 From: Toshihiro Kanda Message-Id: <199605210206.LAA11629@xxx.fct.kgc.co.jp> To: John Clark Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <2.2.32.19960520123458.002dc4cc@felix.iupui.edu> Subject: Re: Best UPS for FreeBSD?? Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was wondering what everyone seems to be using for UPS under FreeBSD. A > cursory glance of the ports collection reveals no UPS software. If this is > true, I will port one from Linux, however, it seems quite impossible that > there is not already an alternative... > > > > --John > [jrclark@indy.net] APC Smart-UPS worked well with upsd by Alexis Yushin. See ftp://ftp.ww.net/pub/wildwind/upsd/ (upsd) http://www.bbcc.ctc.edu/APCFAQ.html (cable) candy@fct.kgc.co.jp (Toshihiro Kanda) From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:31:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA13244 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13236; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA24367; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:13:55 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210243.MAA24367@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: To: jimd@mistery.mcafee.com (Jim Dennis) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:13:55 +0930 (CST) Cc: gpalmer@freebsd.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, slagos@net1plus.com, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210201.TAA06598@mistery.mcafee.com> from "Jim Dennis" at May 20, 96 07:01:21 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Dennis stands accused of saying: > > I currently have two FreeBSD boxes mirrored as ftp sites. > I'm using DNS round-robin to balance the load. The question > has come up: "What happens if one of them goes down?" The connect to the first address should fail, and the client should move on to the next. This, unfortunately, depends on clients being implemented correctly (which is unlikely). > Write a script that polls the ftp/rr address on each of the > other machines in the ring periodically. If the poll fails > (past a set threshold) then IP alias the failed machine's port > to the local ether's interface. This will cause messy results due to ARP caching. > The idea is that machines in a round robin ring could > "cover" for one another using simple scripts and IP aliasing. > There's no kernels hacks, no dynamic DNS hacks, and no > applications layer hacks necessary. Cue terry to drop in and talk about server vs. service connections. 8) > Jim Dennis, -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:46:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA13953 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [204.214.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA13946 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max2-143.HiWAAY.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id AA14567; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:45:53 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:28:45 -0500 To: questions@freefall.freebsd.org From: David Kelly Subject: Who is using a file? Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are using a single file. -- David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net ============================================================= To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. - Thomas Edison From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:47:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14013 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13987; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id TAA10422; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA11579; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605210243.TAA11579@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe McGuckin cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Help - Panic Attacks! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 14:33:41 PDT." <199605202133.OAA21060@ns.via.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 19:43:45 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Our web machine (FreeBSD 2.1, 128Meg) panicked today - twice in a row. > >Can anyone shed some light on this? >May 19 02:03:56 ovation /kernel: panic: kmem_malloc: kmem_map too small This is caused by a bug in the calculation of the size of the malloc area, causing the system to calculate it far too small when a large NMBCLUSTERS value is used. The attached patch fixes this problem. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project Index: kern_malloc.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_malloc.c,v retrieving revision 1.12 retrieving revision 1.12.4.1 diff -c -r1.12 -r1.12.4.1 *** kern_malloc.c 1995/05/30 08:05:33 1.12 --- kern_malloc.c 1996/01/29 11:20:25 1.12.4.1 *************** *** 31,37 **** * SUCH DAMAGE. * * @(#)kern_malloc.c 8.3 (Berkeley) 1/4/94 ! * $Id: kern_malloc.c,v 1.12 1995/05/30 08:05:33 rgrimes Exp $ */ #include --- 31,37 ---- * SUCH DAMAGE. * * @(#)kern_malloc.c 8.3 (Berkeley) 1/4/94 ! * $Id: kern_malloc.c,v 1.12.4.1 1996/01/29 11:20:25 davidg Exp $ */ #include *************** *** 39,44 **** --- 39,45 ---- #include #include #include + #include #include #include *************** *** 371,384 **** #if (MAXALLOCSAVE < CLBYTES) ERROR!_kmeminit:_MAXALLOCSAVE_too_small #endif ! npg = VM_KMEM_SIZE/ NBPG; ! if( npg > cnt.v_page_count) ! npg = cnt.v_page_count; kmemusage = (struct kmemusage *) kmem_alloc(kernel_map, (vm_size_t)(npg * sizeof(struct kmemusage))); kmem_map = kmem_suballoc(kernel_map, (vm_offset_t *)&kmembase, ! (vm_offset_t *)&kmemlimit, (vm_size_t)(npg * NBPG), FALSE); #ifdef KMEMSTATS for (indx = 0; indx < MINBUCKET + 16; indx++) { if (1 << indx >= CLBYTES) --- 372,384 ---- #if (MAXALLOCSAVE < CLBYTES) ERROR!_kmeminit:_MAXALLOCSAVE_too_small #endif ! npg = (nmbclusters * MCLBYTES + VM_KMEM_SIZE) / PAGE_SIZE; kmemusage = (struct kmemusage *) kmem_alloc(kernel_map, (vm_size_t)(npg * sizeof(struct kmemusage))); kmem_map = kmem_suballoc(kernel_map, (vm_offset_t *)&kmembase, ! (vm_offset_t *)&kmemlimit, (vm_size_t)(npg * PAGE_SIZE), ! FALSE); #ifdef KMEMSTATS for (indx = 0; indx < MINBUCKET + 16; indx++) { if (1 << indx >= CLBYTES) *************** *** 387,393 **** bucket[indx].kb_elmpercl = CLBYTES / (1 << indx); bucket[indx].kb_highwat = 5 * bucket[indx].kb_elmpercl; } ! for (indx = 0; indx < M_LAST; indx++) ! kmemstats[indx].ks_limit = npg * NBPG * 6 / 10; #endif } --- 387,399 ---- bucket[indx].kb_elmpercl = CLBYTES / (1 << indx); bucket[indx].kb_highwat = 5 * bucket[indx].kb_elmpercl; } ! /* ! * Limit maximum memory for each type to 60% of malloc area size or ! * 60% of physical memory, whichever is smaller. ! */ ! for (indx = 0; indx < M_LAST; indx++) { ! kmemstats[indx].ks_limit = min(cnt.v_page_count * PAGE_SIZE, ! (npg * PAGE_SIZE - nmbclusters * MCLBYTES)) * 6 / 10; ! } #endif } From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:49:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14222 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14217 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA01721; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:47:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Michael Smith cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NE2000 Plus not probed correctly? In-Reply-To: <199605210231.MAA24242@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > If the card has an 'iomem' setting, it's not an NE2000. Okay, I didn't know that. I guess the ed0 driver ignores the iomem setting when dealing with a real NE2000 then? > Point the Crynwyr NE2000 packet driver at it and see whether it finds > it. If it does, then it looks like the 'ed' driver is losing, > otherwise perhaps it's not an 8390-compatible. I'll send the Crynwyr drivers over to the owner of the machine and let him fiddle with it. The NDIS drivers under DOS and the OS/2 Warp Connect drivers are able to use the card, however. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 19:53:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14567 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (root@sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14556 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 19:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by sili.adn.edu.ph (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09363 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:12:15 +1000 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:12:15 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: "Francis Percival C. Favoreal" To: freebsd-questions Subject: /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi !!! I was trying to build a customized kernel. I've done doing changes in the MYKERNEL file and made a /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL. I saw the following: line 34: no isa's to wildcard line 39: no isa's to wildcard ... I was just wondering if this is normal. If it is not, I'm asking for a way to eliminate this messages I got. -- Jun Favoreal Ateneo de Naga From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:03:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA15158 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA15153 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA06708; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:13:54 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605210313.UAA06708@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: jimd@mistery.mcafee.com (Jim Dennis) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: root@bonsai.its.utas.edu.au, FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605201948.MAA06002@mistery.mcafee.com> from "Jim Dennis" at May 20, 96 12:48:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > Hi, > > Sorry to stick an uneducated oar in the water but where does something > > like SLiRP fit in to all this? > I don't know where SLiRP fits into IP Masquerading. > > According to the documentation > > SLiRP allows you to connect a network of hosts to the internet without needing > > globablly unique numbers (ie you can use 10.0.2.xxx for your hosts). > That would suggest that SLiRP is acting as a network address translator > (NAT) or as a proxy (like SOCKS). > > Dose this contravene the rfcs? > > Andrew > 10.x.x.x and 192.168.x.x are listed in RFC1597 quoted below: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > 3. Private Address Space > The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the > following three blocks of the IP address space for private networks: > 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 > 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 > 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 > We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as > "20-bit block, and to the third as "16-bit" block. Note that the > first block is nothing but a single class A network number, while the > second block is a set of 16 contiguous class B network numbers, and > third block is a set of 255 contiguous class C network numbers. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Note: you can't just use your FreeBSD box as a router > between your providers IP network (the number he gives your > PPP connection) and your internal network (the numbers you > pick from the above list). This is because your packets would > go out to the net with a source address in one of these reserved > ranges -- and all of the properly configured routers on the > net will reject them (since IANA has promised that no valid > internet host will ever have one of these addresses). > > With proxying or NAT your packets (from the private net hosts) > get to the gateway host -- the gateway host sends *it's own > packets out to the net* than it sorts out the packets it > recieves and sends the response back to the applications/hosts > that initiated the proxy'd session). (Thus the term "gateway" > -- which in OSI terminology means "works at the application layer" > vs. the term "router" - which refers to software (or firmware) > that operates at the transport layer (or thereabouts)). > > I'm sorry I didn't answer your questions about SLiRP and > IP Masquerading specifically. I don't know about those. > > Jim Dennis, > System Administrator, > McAfee Associates Just to follow up my own posting -- I forgot to mention that Darren Reed's IPFilter package claims to do NAT. It should compile under FreeBSD (I don't know for sure -- I haven't had a chance to get around to it. But that's what I've read). (Ironically I wanted to do the NAT and Proxying from a Linux box -- at least initially and for testing -- but it looks like I may have to convince my boss to let me stick *another* underloaded box on the net for a bit of experimenting since Darren hasn't done anything to add Linux support to IPFil -- well -- he put in one .h file but...) Can anyone on *this* list tell me if Linux new IP Masquerading obviates the need for this? Let me get a bit more basic and general Here's a list of terms that I hear bandied about and my approximations of what they mean: IP aliasing: binding multiple IP addresses to one interface Proxy ARP: allow a machine to route to a machine or group of machine without using a subnet? IP forwarding: allows a machine to act as a router -- move packets from one interface to another IP multicasting: allows participation in MBONE and used by some versions of gated? IP tunneling: (IP in IP) allows one to configure a machine such that it "appears" to be on a non-local network? used with encryption to create VPN's (virtual private networks)? SKIP: (secure keyed IP???) and encrypted IP ??? IP filtering: allows rule-based packet filtering -- some recent version maintain applications specific state information -- most don't. Proxying: Allows machines on a net to all use one machine to talk to any machines on the outside internet. Allows an organization to "hide" most of their machine behind a limited number of "bastions." Allows the org to have a very restrictive set of packet filters -- basically to allow IP traffic only to the bastions and the sacrificial/public servers/hosts. (There are two types of Proxying???: TIS FWTK (firewall toolkit) SOCKS (4 & 5)) packet filters: set of rules on a router that allow, reject, log, or deny packets based on source or destination addresses, ports or certain flags or options. These are implemented in the firmware of most routersf and they are implemented by kernel options in some versions of Unix (such as the IPFW code in FreeBSD and the IP firewall code in Linux). These can also be implemented in applications code ?? (such as Darren Reeed's IPFilter package)?? TIA: (The Internet Adapter): a Win/DOS user-level IP emulator SLiRP: (a Linux user/level IP emulator) SLIPNot: (a Windows GUI browser that uses shell commands and lynx -dump instead of IP as the transport) IP Masquerating: (kernel level NAT in Linux???) NAT: (Network address translation: method of translation "hidden" -- i.e. RFC1597 -- addresses into "official" (i.e. IANA issued/registered) addresses through a host. The host rewrites the packets as it "routes" them and maintains a dynamic table of which IP port is being used for each of the connections). This makes the translating host look like one very busy system (lots of IP ports in use -- lots of "connections"). The difference between NAT and Proxying is that Proxying requires the collusion of the applications (must use "socksified" clients). NAT and proxying can be used concurrently: proxying (for the applications that support it) is less "expensive" but NAT can fill in the gaps for those (few) applications with no proxy-enabled clients. bootp: protocol that allows machine to get their "boot parameters" from a host on the local net (via ARPs and ether broadcasts???) DHCP: more complex protocol for dynamic allocation of IP addresses and distribution of router, netmask, and other IP info??? (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol).o bridging: like routing but at a lower level. Allows an ethernet network to be segmented (distributed across multiple wires) without introducing routers and additional subnets (and thus affecting all of the hosts on the local net). What did I miss? What did I get wrong? Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:14:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16001 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.imm.com ([206.26.62.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA15996 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dah@localhost) by homer.imm.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA03009; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:14:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "David A. Hauan" To: M C Wong cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: [2.1R] demand dial software needed In-Reply-To: <199605210015.AA099317739@paloalto.access.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 May 1996, M C Wong wrote: > Hi, > I'm using 2.1R now and I need some software to do demand-dial to > set up SLIP connection to the net when a packet is detected to out-bound > to the net. Can anyone suggest some good tools ? > > Thanks in advance. While SLIP is nice PPP is far more robust. The *canned* versions of ppp that come with 2.1R handle your problem very nicely. As for SLIP I don't know I haven't used it in two years. dave . From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:22:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16583 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gbdata.com (dial202.phoenix.net [205.241.121.216]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16553 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA17433; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:22:03 -0500 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199605210322.WAA17433@main.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: Adaptec AVA-1505 and AVA-1515 To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:22:02 -0500 (CDT) Cc: campbb@d-e.pvt.k12.nj.us, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210224.LAA24194@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 21, 96 11:54:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith wrote: > > Bill Campbell stands accused of saying: > > > > I checked the questions archive with no luck, and I haven't seen it > > on a FreeBSD compatability list so I'll ask here. Does FreeBSD > > currently support either the Adaptec AVA-1505 or AVA-1515 PIO SCSI ^^^^^^^^ > > controllers? > > Yes. AFAIK they're based on the AIC-6260, which is supported by the > 'aic' driver. How are our ISA bus drivers going to talk to a printer port? Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team Providing Internet and ISP startups mail info@GBData.COM for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/freebsd-faq.ascii From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:22:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16590 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16556 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id UAA10627 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id EAA23857; Tue, 21 May 1996 04:17:38 +0100 (BST) To: David Kelly cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Who is using a file? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 21:28:45 CDT." Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 04:17:37 +0100 Message-ID: <23855.832648657@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Kelly wrote in message ID : > Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a > particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing > when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility > could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are > using a single file. `fstat' will print out that info. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:25:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16849 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16841 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Mon, 20 May 96 23:23:33 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Mon, 20 May 96 23:23:29 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA19342; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:24:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:24:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605210324.WAA19342@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: terry@lambert.org Cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210148.SAA29397@phaeton.artisoft.com> (message from Terry Lambert on Mon, 20 May 1996 18:48:15 -0700 (MST)) Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Terry Lambert Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 18:48:15 -0700 (MST) > Couldn't state be inferred from the retry packets? I reboot. A packet comes in on port 3096: 1) Is it for me? If so, I've been dead. 2) Is it for the local net? Which host? 3) Is it an FTP data packet? Some other packet? What packet rewriting rules should I apply to it based on these assumptions? Host, protocol could be encoded in the port number. > It would be nice to pull out the rewriting stuff into loadable > rule sets. It would be nicer to not need them. Not an option, though, is it? > Socks really wants two additional tunnel-to-socks and socks-to-tunnel > daemons written; using two private nets, this would let you run a > private net of socks-unaware hosts that get their packets proxied > by setting up a default route, a private net route to one tunnel on > one private net, and a default route to the other tunnel on the > private net with the dumb hosts. Effectively, a gateway LLB in user > space. > > I'm trying to picture this, but ... [admirable ASCII art omitted] You did take me literally:-) I don't have a problem with the physical picture. client default route: server on local net server default route: modem internal local net route: depends on packet destination (internal local net == net which only exists as a tunnel) client packet -> local net local net -> server server local packet -> gateway gateway -> tunnel device internal local net internal local net -> socks client (on server) socks client (on server) -> socks server (on server) socks server (on server) -> socks proxy socket on default route A bit redundant and baroque, but if the components are coming off-the-shelf, it might be an economical implementation... I think I understand the scheme now, and the tunnel device and the general-purpose socks client seem to be the unimplemented components, yes? In other words, to put them on the internet (by proxy). 8-). It appears that way to the client, but in a correct masq implementation, they are not visible Internet objects. Only the gateway *exists*, and it incorporates the behaviour of the clients by aggregation in its life as an Internet host. Hmm... it would seem worthwhile to find out *how* Linux does MTU discovery through a masquerade, or perhaps more appositely, *in*what*sense* it does so. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:27:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16928 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA16923 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA06819; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:40:04 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605210340.UAA06819@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: tip & system hang-up To: njensen@habaneros.com (Neil C. Jensen) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <01BB4648.3DE618A0@jalapeno.habaneros.com> from "Neil C. Jensen" at May 20, 96 12:31:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I just installed a modem, however, whenever I try and send it commands = > via tip, it hangs-up my system so badly that I have to hard reboot. The = > specifics are: > > FreeBSD 2.1R > USR Sportster 14.4 internal, IRQ3 COM2 > kernel configured for sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa. type 16450 (I = > am on an old 486SX) > using ttyd1, cuaa1, etc. > added V.32bis settings to /etc/gettytab per directions in Handbook > added /etc/ttys mods: ttyd1 "/usr/libexec/getty" V19200 vt102 on > > I can connect to the modem using either 'tip' or 'cu' (logged in as = > root). > I get the 'connected' prompt. > If I exit without sending the modem any 'AT' commands I am disconnected = > properly. > Once I am connected, if I try and send the modem any commands at all = > (ex. 'AT') the entire system hangs. The only way I can get back in is to = > hard reboot the system. It is almost certainly an IRQ conflict. Do you have DOS installed on a partition of the hard drive? Do you have access to Norton Utilities (7 or 8 or later)? Try NDIAGS to identify the problem. It was my personal experience that NDIAGS from Norton was *much* better than AMIDIAGS, System Sleuth, or CheckIt (and that opinion is truly not related to the fact that I used to work in their support department -- I had a low opinion of the competition before I even knew that they were working on NDIAGS). Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates > I seem to recall someone on the list having a similar problem just a few = > weeks ago, but I can't seem to find it in the archives. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? Most likely it would be a conflict with an existing COM port (maybe your motherboard or IDE multi-function card as a COM port on it that is not disabled -- some *cannot* be properly disabled regardless of how you set their jumpers). If you have an ether card -- these commonly default to IRQ 3. Maybe you can isolate and fix it with just that lead. Otherwise isolation will get uglier. If you can't find a good PC hardware diagnostics package (and those are *all* DOS based as far as I know) -- try the hardware technician's equivalent of brute force (I was a field service rep before I got into software tech support -- which was before I did a stint in SQA and that was before I landed here in IS). Take everything out of the system except the video card. Find a simple IDE paddle card (no I/O -- no printer port, not SCSI just IDE). Get the system to boot like that (I realize this might be painful if you're current drive is SCSI -- but it may be necessary). Now put just the internal modem. Try it. If that fails take out the internal and try just a serial card with an external modem. Personally (and I know you aren't going to like hearing this) I'd get rid of the internal modem, get a good STB or Boca serial card with a 16550AFN UART and an external modem. These are only a bit more expensive but they are worth the premium for the life of the devices. It is *so* much more reliable and *so* much easier to troubleshoot than an internal. I've permanently banned internal modems from all my systems and had multiple employers and customers commit to throwing out all that they had -- and standardizing on "real" modems. (I've been a BBS SysOp and supported PCAnywhere as well -- I also used to support Concurrent DOS for both remote and multi-user (PCTerminals) applications -- I have a bit of experience with modems (though surprising little of it is related to Unix -- just set up the one at home on the linux box as a dial in under mgetty once and use minicom sometimes). > Thanks in advance. You're welcome. I hope you get it before it gets to you? (I'm fighting with a DigiBoard intelligent EISA host adapter and a 16 port serial concentrator under TSX-32 right now -- no matter how long I stand in this game serial hardware gets harder to configure)! > Neil Jensen > Habanero Studios Ltd. > Vancouver, Canada Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:28:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA17138 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17129 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00987; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:28:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605210328.WAA00987@dan.emsphone.com> Subject: Re: Who is using a file? To: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:28:28 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "David Kelly" at May 20, 96 09:28:45 pm From: dnelson@emsphone.com (Dan Nelson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk in the last episode, David Kelly said: > > Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a > particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing > when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility > could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are > using a single file. Try fstat. -Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:35:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA17593 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17586 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA24738; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:18:35 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210348.NAA24738@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: NE2000 Plus not probed correctly? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:18:35 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 20, 96 10:46:48 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > > > If the card has an 'iomem' setting, it's not an NE2000. > > Okay, I didn't know that. I guess the ed0 driver ignores the > iomem setting when dealing with a real NE2000 then? Yes. The 'ed' driver is really a driver for the NS8390 and compatibles, hence it supporting both NE1000/2000 and WD/SMC cards. The NE cards use programmed I/O to access the 8390's RAM, wheras the SMC cards map it into the PC's address space. > I'll send the Crynwyr drivers over to the owner of the machine and > let him fiddle with it. The NDIS drivers under DOS and the OS/2 Warp > Connect drivers are able to use the card, however. Odd. Can you see if you can find out what the blob on the card is (ie. is it an 83C90, or someone's clone?) > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:37:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA17868 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17863; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA24768; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:20:53 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210350.NAA24768@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Adaptec AVA-1505 and AVA-1515 To: gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:20:53 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, campbb@d-e.pvt.k12.nj.us, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210322.WAA17433@main.gbdata.com> from "Gary Clark II" at May 20, 96 10:22:02 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Clark II stands accused of saying: > > > on a FreeBSD compatability list so I'll ask here. Does FreeBSD > > > currently support either the Adaptec AVA-1505 or AVA-1515 PIO SCSI > ^^^^^^^^ > > > controllers? > > > > Yes. AFAIK they're based on the AIC-6260, which is supported by the > > 'aic' driver. > > How are our ISA bus drivers going to talk to a printer port? They don't. PIO is Programmed I/O; the AIC-6x60 chips don't do busmaster DMA. (At least, the 'aic' driver doesn't do it, the chips may be capable of it). Counter by asking "how would you put a BIOS on a parallel-port SCSI adapter?" 8) > Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:44:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18440 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [204.214.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18429 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max2-143.HiWAAY.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id AA15043; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:44:06 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199605210328.WAA00987@dan.emsphone.com> References: from "David Kelly" at May 20, 96 09:28:45 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:32:26 -0500 To: dnelson@emsphone.com (Dan Nelson) From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Who is using a file? Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:28 PM -0500 5/20/96, Dan Nelson wrote: >in the last episode, David Kelly said: >> >> Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a >> particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing >> when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility >> could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are >> using a single file. > >Try fstat. Yup! That was it! Lets hope the post-it note I placed over my monitor stays long enough for me to *learn* that and *forget* fuser from IRIX which produces much less information. I'd "man -k"'ed until I was blue in the face trying to find that utility. FreeBSD-Questions is hot tonight! So far I've received 2 replies in under 30 minutes. Thanks, -- David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net ============================================================= To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. - Thomas Edison From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:45:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18510 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.cisco.com (diablo.cisco.com [171.68.223.106]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18495 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smbrown.cisco.com (phoenix-dial-129.cisco.com [171.68.35.129]) by diablo.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id UAA00992 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:43:25 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960521034453.00a3b888@diablo.cisco.com> X-Sender: smbrown@diablo.cisco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:44:53 -0700 To: questions@freebsd.org From: "Stephen M. Brown" Subject: Install boo-boo Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Went through the initial boot from boot.flp, creating a freebsd partion on wd1 leaving wd0 untouched but choosing the bootmanager option. Didn't actually have the distribution but went through the process anyway, perhaps my first mistake? Now when the machine starts I get: NO ROM BASIC, SYSTEM HALTED and hangs. How do I make the boot disk (C:) available again? Tried doing fdisk /mbr to recreate the MBR on the boot disk but no go. Please help. -- Steve Brown System Engineer Cisco Systems - Phoenix From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:45:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18614 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18606 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA04579; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu: jfieber owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:45:33 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu To: John Clark cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Best UPS for FreeBSD?? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960520123458.002dc4cc@felix.iupui.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, John Clark wrote: > I was wondering what everyone seems to be using for UPS under FreeBSD. A > cursory glance of the ports collection reveals no UPS software. If this is > true, I will port one from Linux, however, it seems quite impossible that > there is not already an alternative... There is actually some code on the 2.1 CDROM in the experimental package for communicating with an APC Smart-UPS. I actually just ordered an APC Smart-UPS v/s 420 and it is supposed to arrive on Wednesday. Email me in a week or two to see how I like it. Also check the mailing list archives as there is some discussion of the topic. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 20:49:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18935 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA18929 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA07003; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:01:49 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605210401.VAA07003@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: Who is using a file? To: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "David Kelly" at May 20, 96 09:28:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a > particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing > when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility > could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are > using a single file. > David, lsof ftp://coast.cs.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/lsof Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:00:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA19874 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA19867 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA11339; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:59:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:59:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Michael Smith cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NE2000 Plus not probed correctly? In-Reply-To: <199605210348.NAA24738@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > Odd. Can you see if you can find out what the blob on the card is > (ie. is it an 83C90, or someone's clone?) This is what I got back from Ean (the fellow with the cards): | Here are the numbers I found on the card: | n82s123n | m5m5165fp (two of them with the samsung logo on them) | dl3516a (big chip in the middle of the board) | dp83910an | dp8392c | 16r4bcn The "dp83910an" and "dp8392c" look significant? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:02:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA20029 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA20018 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA07076; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:14:29 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605210414.VAA07076@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: terry@lambert.org, archie@whistle.com, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at May 18, 96 11:07:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > On Fri, 17 May 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Which is to say, you turn on IP forwarding by default (which is illegal) > > and rewrite the packet source headers on the way in and out (which is > > also illegal). > > > Writing a socks client that hooks to a tunnel driver on the machine > > that needs the masquerading is a better solution, and it doesn't > > require kernel hacks to get there (or source hacks for statically > > linked binaries, like normal socks does). And it does it without > > violating the world. > > > > I guess you would need to write a tunnel client daemon (instead of > > putting in about twice as much work to write IP masquerading, as > > well as dragging the poor kernel into the mess). > > > > Seems like that would provide the same capability for less effort > > with fewer drabacks -- but would require an OS (like FreeBSD) with > > tunnel drivers to make it work. > > And as I've said before, Sorry, I don't have the source to Win95, so I > can't do that. I agree that masquerading isn't a fix-all, or even the > prefered method of handling this, but until Socks5 is to the point that > it can "socksify" programs that I don't have source for, without > interferring with regular operations, and do this under OS/2, Windows > 3.X, NT, and Win95, then my choice is to run linux on our firewall and > use masquerading, or to spend a few weeks of time that I haven't got > figuring out how to proxy a bunch of non-standard services for apps that > I haven't got source for. Win 95's native TCP/IP configuration dialogs include a field for "proxy" (much like the configuration dialogs of Netscape and QVTNet's Telnet and FTP clients). I suspect that Win '95 can talk to a SOCKS gateway. If anyone knows for sure (either way) please speak up. If it is SOCKS compliant than all one should have to do is fill in the dialog and any of the Win '95 included applets should work "out of the box." (well, work as well as they do with a "real" IP address anyway). Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:11:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA20754 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20749 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA24987; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:54:45 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210424.NAA24987@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: NE2000 Plus not probed correctly? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:54:44 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at May 20, 96 11:59:09 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > > On Tue, 21 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > > > Odd. Can you see if you can find out what the blob on the card is > > (ie. is it an 83C90, or someone's clone?) > > This is what I got back from Ean (the fellow with the cards): > > | Here are the numbers I found on the card: > | n82s123n Address decoder perhaps? > | m5m5165fp (two of them with the samsung logo on them) Memory chips. > | dl3516a (big chip in the middle of the board) Hmm. 'big' as in 'big and square', or big as in 'big and rectangular and tall'? (It's either a custom blob or the +5 to -9V converter). > | dp83910an > | dp8392c These sound like the meat; I don't have a card here in my pile (just checked) with an 83910 on it, so I can't try it out. Anyone else got one of these? > | 16r4bcn Glue logic. > The "dp83910an" and "dp8392c" look significant? Yup. The latter is the 'line driver' part, but I'm fairly sure the former is an 8390 superset part. At any rate, I don't think it's an oddball; the 'dp' prefix is NatSemi's current one for their parts. It should have a sort of oval-shaped 'N' on it as well if this is the case. Well, it looks like we can rule out 'busted hardware' and go for 'weird or not-quite-compatible' instead. 8( Short of building up a kernel with more debugging turned on in the 'ed' driver, I'm at a bit of a dead-end here, sorry. David, as the 'ed' guru, do you have any ideas? > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:27:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA21733 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from io.org (io.org [198.133.36.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21722 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zot.io.org (taob@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA14555; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:27:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: Michael Smith cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NE2000 Plus not probed correctly? In-Reply-To: <199605210424.NAA24987@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > > | dl3516a (big chip in the middle of the board) > > Hmm. 'big' as in 'big and square', or big as in 'big and rectangular > and tall'? (It's either a custom blob or the +5 to -9V converter). From what I remember, it had a flat, square package. The only things that stuck up were jumper blocks and a clock crystal. > Short of building up a kernel with more debugging turned on in the > 'ed' driver, I'm at a bit of a dead-end here, sorry. Well, my original recommendation was to replace the cards with some SMC 8416 ISA cards which I know work with the ed0 driver, and in the meantime try to find some way to get the no-names working. We'll see what the Crynwr drivers can do. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:31:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA22060 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22051 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA29828; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:24:49 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605210424.VAA29828@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD prepared for the future? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:24:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210131.LAA23659@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 21, 96 11:01:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Just read yet another doomsaying article about the Millenium and the havoc > > it will wreak with much computer software. As I recall, D-day for UNIX > > is different -- the crisis comes a little bit into the next century. > > > > Has FreeBSD been updated so that its "seconds since the start of time" > > clock will not overflow? > > If we're still using FreeBSD in 2038, then we can worry about fixing > programs that assume that time_t is signed. Once we do that, we buy another > 68 years, and I expect to be _dead_ before that runs out. Given the current curve for increase in human life expectancy, we can expect the rate of increase to be 1 year per year starting in 2027. So (barring accident), we will be pounding on *your* door, not the door of the poor schmuck who takes over after you're dearly departed. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:35:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA22494 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22486 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA29860; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:30:39 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605210430.VAA29860@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:30:39 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210324.WAA19342@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at May 20, 96 10:24:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Host, protocol could be encoded in the port number. You have *got* to be kidding! > > It would be nice to pull out the rewriting stuff into loadable > > rule sets. > > It would be nicer to not need them. > > Not an option, though, is it? It is for a real proxy. 8-). > client default route: server on local net > server default route: modem > internal local net route: depends on packet destination > (internal local net == net which only exists as a tunnel) > > client packet -> local net > local net -> server > server local packet -> gateway > gateway -> tunnel device internal local net > internal local net -> socks client (on server) > socks client (on server) -> socks server (on server) > socks server (on server) -> socks proxy socket on default route > > A bit redundant and baroque, but if the components are coming > off-the-shelf, it might be an economical implementation... > I think I understand the scheme now, and the tunnel device and > the general-purpose socks client seem to be the unimplemented > components, yes? The tunnel device is already there. The socks client can be hacked out of SLiRP or user mode PPP (there are two clients you'd like -- you'd prefer to have socks clients coming in normally). > Hmm... it would seem worthwhile to find out *how* Linux does > MTU discovery through a masquerade, or perhaps more appositely, > *in*what*sense* it does so. Yes, since this was my primary objection on the basis of RFC's; the other was classless routing. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:39:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23122 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23111; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA29880; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:34:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605210434.VAA29880@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: alk@Think.COM (Tony Kimball) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:34:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: gpalmer@freebsd.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605202354.SAA18444@compound.Think.COM> from "Tony Kimball" at May 20, 96 06:54:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If nothing else, I believe it is possible for a SOCKS implimentation > for Windows workstations to be done at the winsock.dll level, isn't > it? > > Windows can go suck eggs as far as I'm concerned. I don't care about > Windows. I don't care about MacOS, and I don't care about OS/2. I > care about my lawnmower, and keeping my pop-tarts in a non-combustive > state. Just wait 'til you get a taste for those strawberry sweeties > and alzheimer's sets in. Poof, there goes your house. Don't say I > didn't warn you. This is silly. You'll call into your firewall, and call your toaster on a non-routed network from there. You're poptarts aren't going to call you; at worst, they will send a "help me! I'm burrrrniiinnng!" SNMP trap to the firewall, which will trap to you. > I'm worried about the k12 using an FBSD gateway, having zero network > expertise. I want them to be able to push a button and then when > they plug in their Apple ][e it just works. Lets see you do this with Linux, which has "masquerading". 8-). > One reason for having masquerade is to allow you to offload shell > processing load from the gateway. You are promptly putting that load > back on. Garrett has his reasons for not liking masquerading, I have > mine. > > Fine, don't use it. I think it would be silly not to take advantage > of it, once it is in place, however, since it will simplify your > administrative burden. There's the rub: it's not in place. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:41:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23569 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23561 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA29893; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:35:46 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605210435.VAA29893@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Communications help wanted To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:35:46 -0700 (MST) Cc: ptitsyn@benpc.bionet.nsk.su, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210152.LAA23928@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 21, 96 11:22:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Make sure you go for drivers with RS-232 _async_ interfaces. Then run SLIP > or PPP over the link. Or RS422. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:47:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA24602 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24590 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #13307) id <01I4XZGBGGDS006KPN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Modem Problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <01I4XZGBH9BM006KPN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-VMS-Cc: ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If I run Windows 95 and forget to do a cold boot before I run FreeBSD (2.1-STABLE), I can't dial in; the phone won't answer. (The phone has been answering since last October, so in general things are set up okay.) If I telnet to the machine and do cu -l /dev/cuaa1, it says cu: Line in use. Is there any way to fix this without a cold reboot, which of course I can't do remotely? Thanks Annelise remotely (other than, of course, not running Win95,or not forgetting to do a cold reboot). Thanks Annelise From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:50:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA25278 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25268 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25393; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:34:10 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210504.OAA25393@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Who is using a file? To: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:34:09 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "David Kelly" at May 20, 96 09:28:45 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Kelly stands accused of saying: > > Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a > particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing > when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility > could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are > using a single file. 'fstat' (part of the system) or 'lsof' (in the ports collection) > David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:52:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA25515 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25503 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25379; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:33:14 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210503.OAA25379@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD prepared for the future? To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:33:13 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210424.VAA29828@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 20, 96 09:24:49 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: >> If we're still using FreeBSD in 2038, then we can worry about fixing >> programs that assume that time_t is signed. Once we do that, we buy another >> 68 years, and I expect to be _dead_ before that runs out. > > Given the current curve for increase in human life expectancy, we > can expect the rate of increase to be 1 year per year starting in > 2027. You're averaging the male and female curves. The male curve is significantly flatter. (depending on personal buoyancy at any rate). Regardless; there is no 'knock of doom' at the turn of the century. > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:53:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA25560 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25542 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maryann.eng.umd.edu (maryann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.209]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02010; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by maryann.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA03341; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@maryann.eng.umd.edu To: John Clark cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ports Collection -- up-to-date In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960520203115.002f4f78@felix.iupui.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, John Clark wrote: > Hello, > > It is not at all obvious how the ports collection works. I have read the > handbook chapter several times, and I am battled at how the whole process > works. I understand the ports collection to be a collection of software > tweaked to run with FreeBSD. I ftp'ed to > "ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/distfiles" and picked-up apache_1.0.5.tar.gz. > I unpacked the file into /usr/ports (I had to make the "ports" directory). > Upon looking through the Makefile, I saw that it was configured for Sun OS. > This does not seem very "tweaked" to me. I must be missing something, I can > download apache myself (from apache) and do the manual configuration. I was > lead to believe that someone had already config'ed the files to run under > FreeBSD, I must be missing something. > > Can someone fill me in on how to use the ports collection? Underneath the /usr/ports directory are a large set of subdirectories, of which distfiles is almost the only one not consisting of ports (pkg is the other one). Here is an "ls" of /usr/ports: .ctm_status cad/ games/ misc/ shells/ INDEX comms/ graphics/ net/ sysutils/ LEGAL databases/ index-list news/ templates/ Makefile devel/ japanese/ pkg/ www/ README distfiles/ lang/ plan9/ x11/ archivers/ distfiles.mine/ list print/ audio/ editors/ mail/ russian/ benchmarks/ emulators/ math/ security/ The files you see in distfiles are not ports, they are there for the convenience, and are the original unmodified source code. You DON'T bother with these. Take a look at one of the other directories, say audio. audio has subdirectories of: Makefile nas/ rplay/ tracker/ xmcd/ gmod/ pkg/ rsynth/ workman/ xmix/ gsm/ playmidi/ s3mod/ xcd/ maplay/ radio/ sox/ xcdplayer/ Don't make here, cd into a directory that interests you, as an example playmidi. /usr/ports/audio/playmidi is a port, and once you're in there, then you can type "make", then "make install". The playmidi Makefile will take care of getting the source code (either from /usr/ports/distfiles if it's in there, or from the network for you automatically). If you want to read about playmidi before you make it, from inside the playmidi port (or ANY port) type "more pkg/DESCR". This will get you a description of the port. Alternatively (if you're using the ports collection from FreeBSD-current) you can cd to /usr/ports and type "make print-index | more" to read about them all. When you finish building and installing a port, don't forget to type "make clean" to erase uneeded build files, else your disk is going to get REALLY full. > > > > --John > [jrclark@indy.net] > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 21:53:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA25651 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25646 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 21:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25435; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:37:06 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210507.OAA25435@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Ports Collection -- up-to-date To: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu (John Clark) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:37:05 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960520203115.002f4f78@felix.iupui.edu> from "John Clark" at May 20, 96 08:26:43 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Clark stands accused of saying: > > Can someone fill me in on how to use the ports collection? I actually think the handbook does a good job of the whole thing. Get the _port_directory_. In the case of apache, try this : # cd /usr/ports # mkdir www # mkdir distfiles # cd www # ncftp -c ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/www/apache.tar |tar xvf - # cd apache # make install > --John -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:03:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26338 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA26330 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Tue, 21 May 96 01:02:21 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Tue, 21 May 96 01:02:18 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA19856; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:03:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:03:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605210503.AAA19856@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: terry@lambert.org Cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210430.VAA29860@phaeton.artisoft.com> (message from Terry Lambert on Mon, 20 May 1996 21:30:39 -0700 (MST)) Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Terry Lambert Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:30:39 -0700 (MST) > Host, protocol could be encoded in the port number. You have *got* to be kidding! Hey, I'm not the one who wants to recover state. I'm just trying to scam out how it could be done. You've got a good 15.97 bits to work with... > > It would be nice to pull out the rewriting stuff into loadable > > rule sets. > > It would be nicer to not need them. > > Not an option, though, is it? It is for a real proxy. 8-). "real" proxies are still rewriting packets. They're just spending a lot more to do it. That's okay, though. The point is to make it work, not to make it work efficiently. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:04:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26515 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26510 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25521; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:46:11 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605210516.OAA25521@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Communications help wanted To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:46:10 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, ptitsyn@benpc.bionet.nsk.su, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210435.VAA29893@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 20, 96 09:35:46 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > > Make sure you go for drivers with RS-232 _async_ interfaces. Then run SLIP > > or PPP over the link. > > Or RS422. *sigh*. Two wires, Terry. Two wires. Can't run 422 on two wires. You can run 485 on two wires, but only half-duplex. FDX requires a short-haul modem (not much more expensive than the useless dial modems they currently have). > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:05:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26611 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:05:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26575; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA12030; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605210505.WAA12030@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help building kernel In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 20 May 96 22:28:53 +0200. <199605202028.WAA06246@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:05:11 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >As Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: >> Help! I'm trying to build a kernel on 2.1.0-Release, and I can't get >> it to work. Every time it goes to link I get these two errors: >> init_main.o: Undefined symbol `_dummyinit' referenced >> kern_xxx.o: Undefined symbol `_dummy_cleanup' referenced >Interesting. Both are defined just one line before they are used. >Are you sure you're using the stock 2.1 `ld'? >Try declaring them as non-static, and see if the linker will find >them. The problem was that the compiler optimized them out of existance. I'm used to building a kernel fully optimized (-O6) under NetBSD, and just did the same thing here. Building with -O fixed the problem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:06:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26648 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA26641 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Tue, 21 May 96 01:06:05 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Tue, 21 May 96 01:06:03 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA19896; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:07:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:07:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605210507.AAA19896@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210435.VAA22510@freefall.freebsd.org> (owner-questions-digest@freefall.freebsd.org) Subject: Re: questions-digest V1 #887 Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Did everyone lose most of this digest? If not, could some kind soul toss me a copy? From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:11:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26951 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA26946; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA29942; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:05:40 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605210505.WAA29942@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:05:40 -0700 (MST) Cc: jimd@mistery.mcafee.com, gpalmer@FreeBSD.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, slagos@net1plus.com, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605210243.MAA24367@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 21, 96 12:13:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I currently have two FreeBSD boxes mirrored as ftp sites. > > I'm using DNS round-robin to balance the load. The question > > has come up: "What happens if one of them goes down?" > > The connect to the first address should fail, and the client should > move on to the next. This, unfortunately, depends on clients being > implemented correctly (which is unlikely). Yep; it means you are probably screwed. And we haven't even talked about caching keeping the old address as the only one you are allowed to resolve to. 8-). > > The idea is that machines in a round robin ring could > > "cover" for one another using simple scripts and IP aliasing. > > There's no kernels hacks, no dynamic DNS hacks, and no > > applications layer hacks necessary. > > Cue terry to drop in and talk about server vs. service connections. 8) ...Mike means that it wants a protocol change at a pretty fundamental level (the "what is a connection?" level). Even IPv6 is screwed here. Wait for IPv7 (~8 years unless someone does something right); it should be pretty obvious to everyone in about 2-3 years... in some places on the net, it's becoming obvious now (cv: the MAE-West NASA FDDI link that was choking to death ~5 weeks ago, and the currently overloaded MCI backbone, choking to death daily at a node near you). I'm thinking on something I call "MNTR" (prononced 'Mentor', in honor of Billy Batson 8-)) for Minimal Network Transit Routing. It relies on data vaults for regional service replication to offload backbone traffic. In my ideal world, you pay for your pipe flat rate based on pipe size, and people putting up resources pay vaulting services for regional replication -- leaving room for volunteer vaulting and self-vaulting (with source quench) for small sites or distribute free sites. Long hop routes should be reserved for important things which *must* have central servers badly enough that they merit taking up overall network resources. For instance, netrek, but not MUDS or IRC. 8-) 8-) 8-O. Just joking; actually, intra-service cluster links will probably need to have backbone channels as well., and IRC and MUDS qualifiy better than netrek (not being nearly as interactive as 3-5 updates a second). IPhone is another candidate. If you are really interested, you need to consider service referral records (like MX records) and participate in the recently formed FTP protocol revision mailing list. This should stave off the wolves for another 2-4 weeks 8-). Note that they haven't thought of this on their own -- they're mostly interested in making the list command deterministic for GUI-based tools, so they can put up folders and crap on a normal desktop. You'd have to elect yourself Mr. Advocate. In the long run, it probably won't matter what you do to ftp itself, as the net becomes swamped in http, video, and IPhone traffic. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:13:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA27125 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tenet.CS.Berkeley.EDU (root@tenet.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA27120 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU (conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.103]) by tenet.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA14495; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:08 -0700 Received: from conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/1.3-tenet) with ESMTP id WAA24403; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199605210513.WAA24403@conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: Tony Kimball cc: terry@lambert.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 00:03:18 CDT." <199605210503.AAA19856@compound.Think.COM> From: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-to: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:03 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball writes: > From: Terry Lambert > Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 21:30:39 -0700 (MST) > > > Host, protocol could be encoded in the port number. > > You have *got* to be kidding! > > Hey, I'm not the one who wants to recover state. I'm just trying > to scam out how it could be done. You've got a good 15.97 bits to > work with... I'd rather not recover state either. That was my point. :-) It's also kind of hard to cram 32 bits of IP address and X bits of port/application/whatever (where X is small) into 16 bits of port number, without needing some other kind of shared state. > > > It would be nice to pull out the rewriting stuff into loadable > > > rule sets. > > > > It would be nicer to not need them. > > > > Not an option, though, is it? > > It is for a real proxy. 8-). > > "real" proxies are still rewriting packets. They're just > spending a lot more to do it. That's okay, though. "Real" proxies transform data in the application layer, not by rewriting packets at the network layer. > The point is to make it work, not to make it work efficiently. To quote Terry: You have *got* to be kidding! :-) Bruce. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:13:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA27179 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA27168 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA29953; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:08:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605210508.WAA29953@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Communications help wanted To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:08:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, ptitsyn@benpc.bionet.nsk.su, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605210516.OAA25521@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 21, 96 02:46:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Make sure you go for drivers with RS-232 _async_ interfaces. Then run SLIP > > > or PPP over the link. > > > > Or RS422. > > *sigh*. Two wires, Terry. Two wires. Can't run 422 on two wires. You > can run 485 on two wires, but only half-duplex. FDX requires a short-haul > modem (not much more expensive than the useless dial modems they currently > have). Rats. Well, then they don't get high speed. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:21:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA27787 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.aros.net (root@shell.aros.net [205.164.111.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27781 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by shell.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) id XAA15083; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:20:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199605210520.XAA15083@shell.aros.net> Subject: Re: Who is using a file? To: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:20:57 -0600 (MDT) Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from David Kelly at "May 20, 96 09:28:45 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unless there's a specific utility I'm not aware of, you're looking for 'lsof'. (list open files). It's available from: ftp://vic.cc.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/lsof There are FreeBSD binaries available. -Dave Andersen Lo and behold, David Kelly once said: > Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a > particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing > when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility > could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are > using a single file. > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net > ============================================================= > To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. > - Thomas Edison > > -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to thier customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:45:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28938 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tenet.CS.Berkeley.EDU (root@tenet.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28933 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU (conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.103]) by tenet.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA14722; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:44:56 -0700 Received: from conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU (localhost.Berkeley.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/1.3-tenet) with ESMTP id WAA28805; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:44:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199605210544.WAA28805@conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: Tony Kimball cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 19:25:34 CDT." <199605210025.TAA18598@compound.Think.COM> From: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-to: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:44:55 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball writes: > > > > > From the masquerade host. ICMP works fine, to the network > > > interface of the *system*. UDP is not a host requirement. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > To Tony: Are you saying that just because FTP, telnet, and Web don't > run over UDP it's not important? I respectfully disagree. > > I'm meaning that lack of support for UDP would not make a masquerade > scheme violate host requirements. OK, got it. > Frankly I haven't clue one about > how to implement UDP masquerade, never having so much as glanced at > the problem. Me either. It's hard, no doubt about it. > To clarify another point: I do not advocate a linux-style > implementation of masquerade. I'm just too ignorant of the > alternatives to make a specific proposal, and too enthusiastically > supportive of the functional goal to keep my mouth shut. > A dangerous combination. Well...I should clarify my POV (point of view) too, I guess. I'm kind of a traditionalist (I used to work down the hall from the Berkeley CSRG, maybe that has something to do with it). The idea of adding hacks to a system to support a workaround for ISP pricing makes me very uneasy (as do many of the newer developments on the Internet). If that's FUD, so be it. > TCP is *more* important the UDP, though, for the preponderance > of "customers", that much seems obvious. UDP is second-order. Given that all the Web stuff relies on TCP, I agree. For now. But multimedia applications tend to rely on UDP (for example, all of the MBONE tools). The idea of only being able to support specific applications really bothers me. In some cases (i.e. a firewall) this exactly what is required. But for general-purpose connectivity, I'm afraid that this will just result in people hanging more and more "warts" off the IP stack that will make it slower and harder to maintain (in addition to my other gripes earlier). Bruce. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:46:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA29017 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29006 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Tue, 21 May 96 01:46:40 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Tue, 21 May 96 01:46:37 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA20060; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:47:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 00:47:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605210547.AAA20060@compound.Think.COM> From: Tony Kimball To: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu Cc: terry@lambert.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210513.WAA24403@conviction.CS.Berkeley.EDU> (bmah@cs.berkeley.edu) Subject: Re: ip masquerading Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu (Bruce A. Mah) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:13:03 -0700 Tony Kimball writes: > Hey, I'm not the one who wants to recover state. I'm just trying > to scam out how it could be done. You've got a good 15.97 bits to > work with... It's also kind of hard to cram 32 bits of IP address and X bits of port/application/whatever (where X is small) into 16 bits of port number, without needing some other kind of shared state. But of course you don't need 32 bits of IP. If you allocated 7 bits to a client IP table index, 5 to client port and 3 to stream protocol, that would probably cover the needs of 99.9% of the "customers". If there were any. Frankly I think the issue is a red herring tossed out by the con masquerade team. Doing automatic state recovery would be throwing good money after bad. The socks*socks plumbing scheme of terry, which seems the best candidate to date, wouldn't do this anyhow without substantial modification. > "real" proxies are still rewriting packets. They're just > spending a lot more to do it. That's okay, though. "Real" proxies transform data in the application layer, not by rewriting packets at the network layer. Like I said, just spending a lot more to do it. It's just a black box. Packets go in, packets go out. They've been rewritten. > The point is to make it work, not to make it work efficiently. To quote Terry: You have *got* to be kidding! If you wanted efficiency, you'd run linux masquerade. There's no way an application layer proxy is going to shake a stick at masquerade integrated in the stack. Without looking, I bet the linux masquerade is zero-copy. Fortunately we're not talking about OC-12 speeds here, as a rule. Some very large proportion of the users will never see the difference, so they won't care, and FBSD will provide adquate masquerade for their purposes. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon May 20 22:51:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA29260 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29240; Mon, 20 May 1996 22:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.uwyo.edu (plains.uwyo.edu) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #14244) id <01I4Y3KOPF0G000LEN@ROPER.UWYO.EDU>; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PLAINS.UWYO.EDU by PLAINS.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #14244) id <01I4Y3KOXE28000OKT@PLAINS.UWYO.EDU>; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:41:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:41:52 -0600 (MDT) From: "Andrew N. Edmond" Subject: CRON: it loves me To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am getting from my cron daemon (every FIVE minutes!), the following message: From root@shaman.lycaeum.org Mon May 20 23:37:44 1996 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:35:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Cron Daemon To: root@shaman.lycaeum.org Subject: Cron root /usr/libexec/atrun root: not found which, in the tradition of UNIX, is pretty vague. History preceding this symptom: 1) SUP from 2.1R to 2.1-stable. Built kernel and entire source tree. 2) Edit /etc/crontab with pico (wasn't aware of the crontab -e utility). Realized my mistake, and copied the original /etc/crontab from the FreeBSD Live Filesystem CDROM (CD number two from Walnut Creek) over the corrupted /etc/crontab 3) Started receiving the mail every file minutes as seen above. You know, I do like getting mail, but when it's from cron... ;) Any ideas on how to cure this? Andy ............................................................................. . Andrew Edmond . Children of a future age, . .. edmond@plains.uwyo.edu ... Reading this indignant page, .. ... University of Wyoming ..... Know that in a former time, ... .... Botany Department ....... A path to God was thought a crime. .... .....................VISIONARY PLANTS LIST................................... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzEWhNYAAAEEAN9Q4ABprWSGDKaY8OtrfFFcF6u5E6ua2ZNKgpJJcwU7rDHk nRRoDtvtovgO1yH5O9JvTgSgtxEWpnfLpl9N616jC77b+4C5dyZS+hIBUiCA4bwy hf2Hu3Z7QJasxEBVEdxAbvuUfuBDrsxBJ6SCw4ukAX66wa9RCO0m53dhSnKVAAUR tClBbmRyZXcgTi4gRWRtb25kIDxlZG1vbmRAcGxhaW5zLnV3eW8uZWR1PokAlAMF EDEWh3LtJud3YUpylQEBZVcD926EzvXLmL7hfeM/LNtgWah67m/g+lR87IxulcJ+ 4peUHUKUgBTglIzlSPURTHpEDQKc3wF2o1ezSdzcFjkdQex8wGZYMsCf6waREX2p s5LB7FdTGF4aciCfvQX5shptoLljCd3UPF56BQTS0raqh+WlFjV3w5wRX4ZfJSCR 4Io= =PqOx -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 00:24:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA04261 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA04109 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 00:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA02166; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:21:06 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA15549; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:21:05 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.5/8.6.9) id IAA09446; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:56:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199605210656.IAA09446@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: CRON: it loves me To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:56:39 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: edmond@UWYO.EDU (Andrew N. Edmond) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew N. Edmond" at "May 20, 96 11:41:52 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Andrew N. Edmond wrote: > Subject: Cron root /usr/libexec/atrun > > root: not found > > which, in the tradition of UNIX, is pretty vague. History preceding this > symptom: > 2) Edit /etc/crontab with pico (wasn't aware of the crontab -e utility). > Realized my mistake, and copied the original /etc/crontab from the > FreeBSD Live Filesystem CDROM (CD number two from Walnut Creek) over the > corrupted /etc/crontab The legacy /etc/crontab and the user's crontabs have different formats, the former taking an additional `user' field. This is explained in the man pages. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 02:06:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11021 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10998; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Received: from mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr (mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr [134.157.72.87]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.7.5/jtpda-5.2) with SMTP id LAA18055 ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:28 +0200 (METDST) Received: from garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr (garfield) by mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr (5.67b/jn930126+af960507(mailhost)) at Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:25 +0100 Received: from (af@localhost) by garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.2) id LAA17953 ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199605211006.LAA17953@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr> Subject: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 To: questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:24 +0100 (GMT-1) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I've installed FreeBSD Release 2.1 on the new 133Mhz Pentium (Intel Endeavour m/b, Triton chipset) that will replace my old Sparc II which needs retirement. It has 64Mb of main (70ns) memory, 512Kb cache, a 2Gb IDE boot disk, an Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI adapter which connects a DEC RZ24 200Mb disk only for now. I chose FreeBSD after testing Linux, because of its clear superiority in networking, especially NFS. And then... the dreaded "cc1 got signal 11" symptom :-( It happens only during large compiles (gcc 2.7.2 typically) when sources are on the SCSI disk *or* during kernel compiles (on the IDE disk) while there are I/O on the SCSI bus. I've clocked down the motherboard (to 66Mhz I guess, the AMIBIOS setup doesn't say): same. I've completely invalidated the secondary cache: same. I've swapped the AHA 2940 controller: same. Invalidating PCI burst and playing with PCI latency clock counts didn't change anything either. The hardware vendor claims that the machine has run a three-day burn-in cycle with no problems. When I mentioned that I had read articles saying that 60ns memory was required, he replied that 70ns memory is OK on that kind of motherboard because the BIOS automatically sets wait cycles (???) If it were a memory access time problem, though, I would have expected the downclocking to make it disappear. So what ? my gut feeling is that the DMA cycles from the AHA2940 somehow end up corrupting memory... it's most probably a motherboard problem. Is there any way to configure the AHA2940 driver in PIO mode only ? From checking the sources, I'm afraid there isn't... Or any way to "throttle down" the DMA ? (if that means anything) Any hints please ? the vendor seems a bit reluctant to swapping the motherboard, and even more reluctant to changing memory SIMMs (he says 60ns memory is virtually impossible to find nowadays). Thanks in advance, _Alain_ Excerpts from /var/log/messages: =============================== May 20 13:05:02 garfield /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Fri May 3 18:20:59 MET DST 1996 May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: root@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr:/usr/src/ sys/compile/GARFIELD May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: CPU: 133-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentiu m-class CPU) May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52b Steppin g=11 May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: Features=0x1bf May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) May 20 13:05:03 garfield /kernel: avail memory = 63057920 (61580K bytes) [...] May 20 13:05:04 garfield /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa May 20 13:05:04 garfield /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: wd0: 1916MB (3924144 sectors), 3893 cyls, 16 h eads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: 1 3C5x9 board(s) on ISA found at 0x300 May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: ep0 at 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: ep0: aui/bnc/utp[*AUI*] address 00:a0:24:7a:5a :e8 irq 10 [...] May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sb0: May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sbxvi0 at 0x0 drq 5 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sbxvo0: May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: opl0 at 0x388 on isa May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: opl0: May 20 13:05:05 garfield /kernel: Probing for devices on the PCI bus: May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7 May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: ahc0 rev 0 in t a irq 9 on pci0:14 May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: ahc0: 2940 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, aic7870, 16 SCBs May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle May 20 13:05:06 garfield /kernel: (ahc0:0:0): "DEC RZ24 (C) DEC 4041" type 0 fixed SCSI 1 May 20 13:05:07 garfield /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 200MB (409792 512 byte sectors) -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Medical Computing Research Labs Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68 I've RTFMed. It says: "Refer to your system administrator" But... I *am* the system administrator :-] From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 02:14:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11270 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA11265 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uLnU3-000QY9C; Tue, 21 May 96 11:12 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA23810; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:57:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199605210857.KAA23810@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: 3Com Support? -- NOT To: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu (John Clark) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:57:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960519140200.002d7ea8@felix.iupui.edu> from "John Clark" at May 19, 96 01:57:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Clark writes: > > FreeBSD Group, > > I was hoping someone could help me with my 3c509 woes. I have read many > many questions about the 3c509 card, with no good answers for my problem. > The largest source of problems seems to be those who are having irq trouble. > This is not my trouble as I have reconfigured, and recompiled at irq's 5, 7, > and 10 (orig) with no joy. Well, as other people have already answered, the board works for most people. I have a couple here, running on 2.2-current and 2.1-release, and have no problems. > My system boots and recognizes everything ok, but hangs when adding the > default route. Any ideas? Can you ping to a numeric IP address? If you have to make a name server lookup to another machine in order to process the 'route add' command, it will hang. If you can't ping another machine, you should at least try to monitor network traffic from another machine. Try this: 1. Configure and test the board under DOS (Diagnostic Operational Support, a product of a company called Microsoft). Choose IRQ 10 if you don't have anything else on it. 2. At bootup time, reply '-c' to the 'Boot:' prompt, and set the config for ep0 to match what you set in step 1. This procedure is described starting on page 77 of "Installing and Running FreeBSD". 3. When the system is up, enter # ifconfig ep0 # ping Make sure both addresses are numeric IP addresses. If this works, go to step 5. 4. Otherwise, on another machine with BPF support, try: tcpdump ether host 0:0:c0:2:b9:e (substitute the ethernet address of your board for the 0:0:c0:2:b9:e). If you don't see the pings going out, then you do have a problem. If you see them going out, but not going back, then your problem is in the net, not with the board. If you see them going out and going back, you have a problem. We'll discuss them if they happen. 5. Try 'route add default ', again with a numeric IP address. I can't really see how this can fail, however... I'm currently working on a book about FreeBSD networking, so I'd be interested to see if this helps. If it doesn't, let me know and we'll follow it further. Greg From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 02:30:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11859 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beeblebrox.cc.jyu.fi (beeblebrox.cc.jyu.fi [130.234.41.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11852; Tue, 21 May 1996 02:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kallio@localhost) by beeblebrox.cc.jyu.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02945; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:30:10 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:30:10 +0300 (EET DST) From: Seppo Kallio To: af@biomath.jussieu.fr cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 In-Reply-To: <199605211006.LAA17953@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have P120, MicroStar TR-2. I got same cc1 signal 11 when compiling kernel with new guspnp driver. With kernel 2.1 or 2.2-SNAP 960501 and old sound drivers I did not get that error. I have 2940 + 2G IBM Disk. Seppo On Tue, 21 May 1996 af@biomath.jussieu.fr wrote: > Hello, > > I've installed FreeBSD Release 2.1 on the new 133Mhz Pentium (Intel > Endeavour m/b, Triton chipset) that will replace my old Sparc II which > needs retirement. It has 64Mb of main (70ns) memory, 512Kb cache, a > 2Gb IDE boot disk, an Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI adapter which connects a > DEC RZ24 200Mb disk only for now. > > I chose FreeBSD after testing Linux, because of its clear superiority > in networking, especially NFS. > > And then... the dreaded "cc1 got signal 11" symptom :-( > From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 03:14:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA14221 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.insight.co.za (asterix.insight.co.za [196.27.7.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA14166 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by asterix.insight.co.za (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0uLoSC-000vBpC; Tue, 21 May 96 12:14 SAT Message-Id: From: jvisagie@insight.co.za (Johann Visagie) Subject: Re: Looking for a WWW counter ... To: gmarco@masternet.it (Gianmarco Giovannelli) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:14:12 +0200 (SAT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31A0A4D0.41C67EA6@masternet.it> from "Gianmarco Giovannelli" at May 20, 96 04:58:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > > Is there anyone that can suggest me a good counter program for my BSD > box with Apache server running . > > A very simple one is preferred as I must use it on my homepage ... http://www.webtools.org/counter/ <-- Neat, simple Perl script. -- V Johann Visagie | Email: jvisagie@insight.co.za | Tel: +27 83 777-4260 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 03:42:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA15745 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.siemens.at (proxy.siemens.at [192.138.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA15719 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (sol-f.gud.siemens-austria) by proxy.siemens.at with SMTP id AA09123 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 21 May 1996 12:41:07 +0200 Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uLos1-00020CC; Tue, 21 May 96 12:40 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA298575059; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:37:39 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199605211037.AA298575059@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 To: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:37:39 +0200 (MESZ) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605211006.LAA17953@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr> from "af@biomath.jussieu.fr" at May 21, 96 11:06:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "In his e-mail af@biomath.jussieu.fr wrote:" > > Any hints please ? the vendor seems a bit reluctant to swapping the > motherboard, and even more reluctant to changing memory SIMMs (he says > 60ns memory is virtually impossible to find nowadays). > Well, 60ns stuff is available virtually everywhere. If your vendor has problems in France, there are ways to get it either from Austria or directly from East Asia. You can refer him to me. BTW, RAM does not need to be your problem (cf. other postings). Intel boards are something to avoid (cf. other postings, as well :) /Marino From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 03:46:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA16015 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA16010 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I4YRT8O78W001KXO@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:15:58 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA08006 for freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:43:44 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:43:44 +0200 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: mount extended DOS partition? To: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org Message-id: <199605210843.KAA08006@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I tried but it seems FreeBSD can't mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s2 /d when wd0s2 is an extended DOS partition. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 03:47:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA16113 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA16104 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uLotA-000QYPC; Tue, 21 May 96 12:42 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA24049; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:31:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199605211031.MAA24049@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD prepared for the future? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:31:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Questions) In-Reply-To: <199605210131.LAA23659@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 21, 96 11:01:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith writes: > > Brett Glass stands accused of saying: >> >> Just read yet another doomsaying article about the Millenium and the havoc >> it will wreak with much computer software. As I recall, D-day for UNIX >> is different -- the crisis comes a little bit into the next century. >> >> Has FreeBSD been updated so that its "seconds since the start of time" >> clock will not overflow? > > If we're still using FreeBSD in 2038, then we can worry about fixing > programs that assume that time_t is signed. Nah, those of us left in 2038 will just bump it to 64 bits. That'll be good for the next 10**11 years or so, even if we leave it signed. Greg From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 03:48:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA16297 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA16291 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr (mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr [134.157.72.87]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.7.5/jtpda-5.2) with SMTP id MAA25701 ; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:48:47 +0200 (METDST) Received: from iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (iaka) by mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr (5.67b/jn930126+af960507(mailhost)) at Tue, 21 May 1996 12:48:40 +0100 Received: by iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (5.67b/jf930126) at Tue, 21 May 1996 12:48:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199605211148.AA16309@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr> Subject: Re: 3Com Support? -- NOT To: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:48:39 +0100 (GMT+0100) From: "Alain FAUCONNET" Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > John Clark writes: > > > > FreeBSD Group, > > > > I was hoping someone could help me with my 3c509 woes. I have read many > > many questions about the 3c509 card, with no good answers for my problem. > > The largest source of problems seems to be those who are having irq trouble. > > This is not my trouble as I have reconfigured, and recompiled at irq's 5, 7, > > and 10 (orig) with no joy. > > Well, as other people have already answered, the board works for most > people. I have a couple here, running on 2.2-current and 2.1-release, > and have no problems. > > > My system boots and recognizes everything ok, but hangs when adding the > > default route. Any ideas? > [rest deleted] Have you played with /etc/hosts.conf ? My 3C509 works like a charm but I've had similar hangs (soft hangs, you can exit by ^C) during the setup of default routes when I had /etc/hosts.conf set up to check /etc/hosts then NIS then DNS. Despite the fact that all relevant entries for hosts *were* in /etc/hosts, the "route" command obviously was trying to resolve names using NIS or DNS even before the servers were reachable. It disappeared when I restored /etc/hosts.conf from the distribution. Just a shot in the dark... _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Medical Computing Research Labs Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68 I've RTFMed. It says: "Refer to your system administrator" But... I *am* the system administrator :-] From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 03:56:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA16750 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.siemens.at (proxy.siemens.at [192.138.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA16736 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 03:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (sol-f.gud.siemens-austria) by proxy.siemens.at with SMTP id AA09987 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 21 May 1996 12:55:56 +0200 Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uLp6b-00020CC; Tue, 21 May 96 12:55 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA006055963; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:52:43 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199605211052.AA006055963@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: 3Com PCI To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:52:43 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, How good is the support for 3Com PCI net cards under 2.1 or -stable? Otherwise, which cards are to be recommended? (BPF, etc.) /Marino From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 04:25:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18326 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 04:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA18303 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 04:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uLotC-000QYSC; Tue, 21 May 96 12:42 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA23944; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:13:30 +0200 Message-Id: <199605211013.MAA23944@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD To: 100075.1013@CompuServe.COM (SAMES M.I.S.) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:13:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Questions) In-Reply-To: <960520092131_100075.1013_EHK30-1@CompuServe.COM> from "SAMES M.I.S." at May 20, 96 05:21:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk SAMES M.I.S. writes: > > I found your name/address in the FreeBSD file. I've got a query regarding > FreeBSD. Let me state the problem. Sure, go right ahead :-) > We want to set up a UNIX machine, which will link to the Internet via a leased > line. This will become our internet mail/web server. All our users will connect > to the UNIX machine to do their internet mail/ftp jobs. They use PC's which is > linked via an Ethernet network to the UNIX machine. I have FreeBSD in mind, > because of the cost :-) > > We also want to create Web pages (i.e. a web-server) on this UNIX machine. > > Now for the questions. Is there a mail package available with > FreeBSD? Yes, several. sendmail is probably the MTA you want to use, and you have a choice of a number of mail readers. I'd guess that elm and pine are the most popular. > What > software does the PC's need to connect? (We're looking at installing Win4WG > and/or Win95) You need TCP/IP networking support. It's included in Windows 95%. > Is there web server software available for FreeBSD? Yes. > Will this type of setup work? Lots of people are doing it :-) One word of warning: the current FreeBSD documentation does not describe all aspects of setting up networks, in particular neither sendmail nor web servers. We're working on it, but it'll be a while. Before you start you should get hold of a book like "UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Evi Nemeth and Co. They describe BSD/OS, which is a commercial offering very similar to FreeBSD. > Or do I need to look at another UNIX OS? Not really. Other systems are more expensive, and they don't offer any better tools. > Sorry to bother you with questions like this! That's what we're here for. Greg From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 04:38:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA18844 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 04:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA18839; Tue, 21 May 1996 04:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA26434; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:40:10 GMT Received: from buffnet5.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa22016; 21 May 96 7:38 EDT Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 07:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: steve hovey To: Joe McGuckin cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help - Panic Attacks! In-Reply-To: <199605202133.OAA21060@ns.via.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Whenever I have these troubles its usually a bad simm. On Mon, 20 May 1996, Joe McGuckin wrote: > Our web machine (FreeBSD 2.1, 128Meg) panicked today - twice in a row. > > Can anyone shed some light on this? > From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 05:26:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA21209 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 05:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nol.net (root@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21203 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 05:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dazed.nol.net (blh@dazed.nol.net [206.126.32.101]) by nol.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19949; Tue, 21 May 1996 07:26:36 -0500 (CDT) X-AUTH: NOLNET SENDMAIL AUTH Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 07:26:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brett L. Hawn" To: David Kelly cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who is using a file? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, David Kelly wrote: > Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a > particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing > when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility > could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are > using a single file. I don't know of a particular utility designed for fbsd, but I've been using lsof on most of the machines I have and it works terrifically. The home of lsof is: ftp://vic.cc.purdue.edu/lsof Brett From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 05:38:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA21882 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 05:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix1.ism.com.br (root@unix1.ism.com.br [200.255.211.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21875 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 05:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clpc1.compuland.com.br ([200.255.96.22]) by unix1.ism.com.br (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA11550; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:37:14 -0300 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:37:14 -0300 Message-Id: <199605211237.JAA11550@unix1.ism.com.br> X-Sender: compland@ism.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Gianmarco Giovannelli From: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Subject: Re: Looking for a WWW counter ... Cc: questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Take a look at: http://www.semcor.com/~muquit/Count.html It's great and runs out of the box. Regards. Helio. >Is there anyone that can suggest me a good counter program for my BSD >box with Apache server running . > >A very simple one is preferred as I must use it on my homepage ... > >Thanks ... > > > > >-- > >Regards... > >+-------------------------------------+--------------------+ >| Internet: gmarco@masternet.it | ,,, | >| Internet: gmarco@nettuno.it | (o o) | >| BIX : ggiovannelli@bix.com | ---oo0-(_)-0oo--- | >| Fidonet : 2:332/113.0@fidonet | __ | >| Amiganet: 39:102/507@amiganet | __/// Gianmarco | >| http://www.masternet.it/dsc/gmarco | \XX/ | >+-------------------------------------+--------------------+ > > From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 05:46:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22268 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 05:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.id.net (mail.id.net [199.125.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22260; Tue, 21 May 1996 05:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by mail.id.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02241; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:46:17 GMT From: Robert Shady Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA02561; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605211246.IAA02561@server.id.net> Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 To: kallio@beeblebrox.cc.jyu.fi (Seppo Kallio) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Cc: af@biomath.jussieu.fr, questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Seppo Kallio" at May 21, 96 12:30:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have P120, MicroStar TR-2. I got same cc1 signal 11 when compiling > kernel with new guspnp driver. With kernel 2.1 or 2.2-SNAP 960501 and old > sound drivers I did not get that error. Most of the time I've run into this error, it has been a memory problem. Make sure all of your simms are the same speed (Ie: All 60's, or all 70's) and make sure they are all from the same manufacturer. Believe it or not, some simms don't work well with each-other between manufacturers... -- Rob === _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Innovative Data Services Serving South-Eastern Michigan Internet Service Provider / Hardware Sales / Consulting Services Voice: (810)855-0404 / Fax: (810)855-3268 / Web: http://www.id.net From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 06:01:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA23049 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mole.mole.org (marmot.mole.org [204.216.57.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA23044 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mole.mole.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09353; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:00:24 GMT Received: from meerkat.mole.org(206.197.192.110) by mole.mole.org via smap (V1.3) id sma009351; Tue May 21 13:00:14 1996 Received: (from mrm@localhost) by meerkat.mole.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA14547; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:00:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 06:00:14 -0700 From: "M.R.Murphy" Message-Id: <199605211300.GAA14547@meerkat.mole.org> To: archie@whistle.com, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading Cc: bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > How about we provide them a working tunnel device, source code for > SLiRP, which can be modified to be the type 1 socks proxy daemon, > and source code for user mode PPP, which can be modified to be the > type 2 socks proxy daemon? > > 8-) 8-) 8-). > > Seems to me that it would be less than 60 hours of work to do the > whole thing -- ~2 full weekends. > > Doing the kernel code for a Linux-style implementation in such a way > as to not screw anything up seems to be on the order of 120+ hours > (both figures include testing and documentation and control software). > > Personally, I'm not going to blow all my uncommitted time for a month > to code up something I'll never use, even if there are good, solid > religious reasons for doing so. Two months is totally out of the > question, especially since the result would be inferior. > I'm obviously missing something here. I seem to be happy with a combination of SOCKS 4.2 outgoing and TIS FWTK incoming with a single IP address on the Internet and a class C inside with no routing from the C to the Internet. Netscape seems happy, I can ftp and telnet, and I've a firewall that didn't cost all my cash. Netscape, ftp, telnet and e-mail all work from an interior WfW box, too. What's the problem needing to be solved here? What I really want, emphasize really, is to both know how Terry has 60 hours uncomitted each month for two consecutive months and how I can have the same... -- Mike Murphy mrm@Mole.ORG +1 619 598 5874 Better is the enemy of Good From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 06:12:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA23874 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix1.ism.com.br (unix1.ism.com.br [200.255.211.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA23864 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clpc1.compuland.com.br ([200.255.96.22]) by unix1.ism.com.br (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA13109 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:11:47 -0300 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:11:47 -0300 Message-Id: <199605211311.KAA13109@unix1.ism.com.br> X-Sender: compland@ism.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Subject: security check output Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi: I got that from the daily security check on a FreeBSD 2.1R box: checking setuid files and devices: rd setuid/device diffs: 7d6 < -r-sr-xr-x 1 root bin 65536 Nov 16 07:49:35 1995 /sbin/mount_union 60a60 > drwxrwsr-x 2 2775 1744 1024 Mar 16 14:15:13 1996 /usr/cached-1.4.pl2/src/GNUmalloc 72c72 < drwxrwsr-x 2 2775 1744 1024 Mar 16 14:15:13 1996 /usr/cached-1.4.pl2/src/GNUmalloc ^^^^^^^^^^ Why ? They look quite the same ? --- > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 8808 May 15 10:42:22 1996 /usr/local/etc/httpd/cgi-bin/URIBS/staff/Modify-User-Wrapper 81d80 < -rwsr-xr-x 1 root daemon 8808 May 15 10:42:22 1996 /usr/local/etc/httpd/cgi-bin/URIBS/staff/Modify-User-Wrapper The same here. 120a120 > drwxr-sr-x 2 104 xten 512 Jun 22 15:07:06 1995 /usr/ports/lang/perl5/work/perl5.001m/lib/Search 123d122 < drwxr-sr-x 2 104 xten 512 Jun 22 15:07:06 1995 /usr/ports/lang/perl5/work/perl5.001m/lib/Search 140a140 > drwxr-sr-x 2 104 xten 1024 May 13 16:07:44 1996 /usr/ports/lang/perl5/work/perl5.001m/x2p 157d156 < drwxr-sr-x 2 104 xten 1024 May 13 16:07:44 1996 /usr/ports/lang/perl5/work/perl5.001m/x2p checking for uids of 0: root 0 Why the security check is complaining of that files ? Thanks a lot! From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 06:15:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA23986 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix1.ism.com.br (root@unix1.ism.com.br [200.255.211.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA23979 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clpc1.compuland.com.br ([200.255.96.22]) by unix1.ism.com.br (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA13216 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:14:51 -0300 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:14:51 -0300 Message-Id: <199605211314.KAA13216@unix1.ism.com.br> X-Sender: compland@ism.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Subject: message from daily run Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi: I got that message from daily run output in a FreeBSD 2.1R box: Removing scratch and junk files: You did not enable the cleaning of / in /etc/daily! What that mean ? Thanks a lot! Helio. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 06:36:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25190 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (itsdsv1.enc.edu [199.93.252.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25185 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dingo.enc.edu (dingo.enc.edu [199.93.252.229]) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26684 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:36:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Owens To: questions list FreeBSD Subject: stty settings and tip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I'm trying to use tip the dial into a remote FreeBSD box (both ends running 2.1-stable). I can manage to log in (by hitting ^J after typing my password instead of ENTER), but once I'm in the keyboard is all messed up. Many keys produce nothing except a beep, making it impossible to do anything. Fortunately, the letters 'e', 'x', 'i', and 't' function, so I'm able to log out (hitting ^J for ENTER, of course)... :-) If I dial in using a Windows box, everything works fine, so I'm led to think that the problem lies with the stty or termcap settings on my local end (which I haven't modified from the defaults). I've dug through the stty man page, and nothing jumps out at me. I've observed similar (but much less debilitating) behavior over telnet connections. Specificly, if I telnet into another FreeBSD box and run pkg_manage, I must use ^J in place of ENTER. And, if I run pine, ^O (suspend new message) doesn't work at all. So, what might the solution be? I'm sure this problem has been faced before... (but it's not in the FAQ or handbook) thanks, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 06:44:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25507 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uswgco2.uswc.uswest.com (uswgco2.uswest.com [206.196.133.74]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25502 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by uswgco2.uswc.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id HAA04928; Tue, 21 May 1996 07:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from egate.mnet.uswest.com(151.116.23.138) by uswgco2.uswc.uswest.com via smap (V1.3) id sma004926; Tue May 21 07:42:39 1996 Received: from easthub (easthub.mnet.uswest.com [151.117.26.86]) by egate.mnet.uswest.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA09404; Tue, 21 May 1996 07:42:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: by easthub.mnet.uswest.com (M-Net Hub.951228) Received: from astro.acs.uswest.com by acs.uswest.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25094; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:42:37 -0500 Received: by astro.acs.uswest.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA24615; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:42:34 -0500 From: ptroot@uswest.com (Paul T. Root) Message-Id: <199605211342.IAA24615@astro.acs.uswest.com> Subject: Re: message from daily run To: compland@ism.com.br (Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:42:34 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605211314.KAA13216@unix1.ism.com.br> from "Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica" at May 21, 96 10:14:51 am X-Organization: !nterprise Networking Services X-Phone: (612) 663-1979 X-Fax: (612) 663-8030 X-Page: (800) SKY-PAGE PIN: 537-7270 X-Address: 200 S. 5th St., Suite 1100 X-Address: Minneapolis, MN 55402 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a previous message, Helio Coelho Jr. - CompuLand Informatica said: > > Hi: > > I got that message from daily run output in a FreeBSD 2.1R box: > > > Removing scratch and junk files: > You did not enable the cleaning of / in /etc/daily! > > What that mean ? > > Thanks a lot! > Helio. This is the pertinent code. It removes core and backup files. And as you can see from the comment, it isn't safe. Ignore it, comment it out, or uncomment the find and edit to taste. cd /tmp # This is not safe, you need to decide what is appropriate for your # system. Leave a warning note for now. echo "You did not enable the cleaning of / in /etc/daily!" # #find / ! -fstype local -a -prune -o \ # \( -name '[#,]*' -o -name '.#*' -o -name a.out -o -name *.core \ # -o -name '*.CKP' -o -name '.emacs_[0-9]*' \) \ # -a -atime +3 -exec rm -f -- {} \; # -- Paul T. Root - USWEST !NTERPRISE Networking Service ptroot@uswest.com Whoever said, "It's not whether you win or lose that counts," probably lost! -- M. Navratilova From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 06:47:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25595 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilms.nla.gov.au (ilms.nla.gov.au [192.102.239.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25590 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 06:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (cmakin@gadget.nla.gov.au [192.102.239.85]) by ilms.nla.gov.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA52629 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 23:44:08 +1000 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:47:18 +1000 (EST) From: Carl Makin To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-Reply-To: <199605210313.UAA06708@mistery.mcafee.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 May 1996, Jim Dennis wrote: > Just to follow up my own posting -- I forgot to mention that > Darren Reed's IPFilter package claims to do NAT. It should > compile under FreeBSD (I don't know for sure -- I haven't had > a chance to get around to it. But that's what I've read). I have Darren Reed's package compiled and running as a LKM under 2.1R. It has a problem in that it can't do NAT to a single IP address. It should work to a few though. ie Class C <-> 2 or more addresses should work but there is a "bug" which prevents it from working if you are trying to translate to just one address (and spread over TCP ports). I hope to try 2 addresses tomorrow. I'll email the results here. Carl. -- Carl Makin (VK1KCM) C.Makin@nla.gov.au 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" 'The entire concept of daylight savings time is like trying to make yourself taller by cutting off your head and standing on it.' - Usenet Oracle From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 07:38:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA28735 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28722 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 07:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA32387; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:36:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:36:38 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9605211436.AA32387@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Brett Glass" Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Is FreeBSD prepared for the future? In-Reply-To: <9604208326.AA832626871@ccgate.infoworld.com> References: <9604208326.AA832626871@ccgate.infoworld.com> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > Just read yet another doomsaying article about the Millenium and the havoc > it will wreak with much computer software. As I recall, D-day for UNIX > is different -- the crisis comes a little bit into the next century. > Has FreeBSD been updated so that its "seconds since the start of time" > clock will not overflow? As Henry Spencer once said: What will happen when the 32-bit Unix date goes negative in mid-January 2038 does not bear thinking about. If we are still using any flavor of UNIX at all in 2039, and that on 32-bit processors, then there are far more serious things to worry about. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 08:04:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA00462 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m2.sprynet.com (m2.sprynet.com [165.121.1.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA00456 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 199.174.135.44 (ad08-044.compuserve.com [199.174.135.44]) by m2.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA12323 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:05:00 -0700 Message-ID: <31A1E9FE.70BE@canoe.ca> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:22 -0500 From: Dave Blizzard Reply-To: blizzard@canoe.ca Organization: The Toronto Sun X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD destroys hardware? X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/support.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After installing FreeBSD successfully on several pentiums I thought I'd give my 386 at home a try. I installed a new SCSI 1gb hard drive and attempted to install BSD on the SCSI drive while leaving my 400mb IDE drive untouched. The operation went great but the patient died Installation went smoothly but I chose to have the boot mgr installed and the result was an unbootable dos drive. After doing the same with another IDE drive and controller the only conclusion is that the boormanager destroys controllers. It's either that or the bootmgr modifies hidden registers in the controller that can't be reset. I have low level formated the drives, repartitioned, attempted fdisk /mbr which is undocumented and apparently does nothing, used Nortones rescue to reload the boot partition and got nowhere. The symptom is that after a BSD install, even to another (scsi) drive, the ide controller I usually boot from cannot fdisk anything anymore, even though the drive seems ok and can be low level formatted. Help! If I buy yet another controller, what is a workable configuration in this case? Should I put root and swap on the ide boot drive? and then let /var take up the SCSI. How can software destroy hardware? Please send any responses to blizzard@canoe.ca ---------------------------------------------------- Dave Blizzard, Corporate Dir of IS VE3SVL The Toronto Sun Publishing Corporation blizzard@canoe.ca -.. . ...- . ...-- ... ...- .-.. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 08:16:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01213 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m2.sprynet.com (m2.sprynet.com [165.121.1.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01208 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 199.174.135.44 (ad08-044.compuserve.com [199.174.135.44]) by m2.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA14032 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:17:28 -0700 Message-ID: <31A1ECED.1E7A@canoe.ca> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:18:53 -0500 From: Dave Blizzard Reply-To: blizzard@canoe.ca Organization: The Toronto Sun X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD destroys hardware 2 X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/support.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After installing FreeBSD successfully on several pentiums I thought I'd give my 386 at home a try. I installed a new SCSI 1gb hard drive and attempted to install BSD on the SCSI drive while leaving my 400mb IDE drive untouched. The operation went great but the patient died Installation went smoothly but I chose to have the boot mgr installed and the result was an unbootable dos drive. After doing the same with another IDE drive and controller the only conclusion is that the boormanager destroys controllers. It's either that or the bootmgr modifies hidden registers in the controller that can't be reset. I have low level formated the drives, repartitioned, attempted fdisk /mbr which is undocumented and apparently does nothing, used Nortones rescue to reload the boot partition and got nowhere. The symptom is that after a BSD install, even to another (scsi) drive, the ide controller I usually boot from cannot fdisk anything anymore, even though the drive seems ok and can be low level formatted. Help! If I buy yet another controller, what is a workable configuration in this case? Should I put root and swap on the ide boot drive? and then let /var take up the SCSI. How can software destroy hardware? I forgot to add that the hardware is standard 386 with math coprocessor and dos is 6.22, ide drive is Maxtor. Please send any responses to blizzard@canoe.ca From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 08:33:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA02109 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyber1.cyberhall.com ([206.154.165.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02103 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dbrockus@localhost) by cyber1.cyberhall.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA18295; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:36:31 GMT Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:36:31 +0000 () From: David Brockus To: FreeBSD questions Subject: disk quotas in FreeBSD 2.0.5R Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am running FreeBSD 2.0.5R. I want to enable quotas. A comment in the sysconfig file states that they most likely do not work. Is this correct? In what version of FreeBSD do they work? Thanks in advance David Brockus From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 08:36:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA02456 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from igw2.watson.ibm.com (igw2.watson.ibm.com [129.34.139.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02450 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawpub1.watson.ibm.com (hawpub1.watson.ibm.com [9.2.90.32]) by igw2.watson.ibm.com (8.7.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA22072 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:36:31 -0400 Received: by hawpub1.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/5/18/96) id AA50334; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:36:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:36:13 -0400 From: Krish Message-Id: <9605211536.AA50334@hawpub1.watson.ibm.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Finding Disk Geometry in thinkpad series. Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any standard ways of finding out the disk geometry for IBM thinkpad hard disk. I was trying to install freeBSD and the system is rebooting because it was unable to access the swap partition. I used thinkpad 360c. The usual technique of first installing a dos partition and then installing the freebsd doesn't seems to work for me. Krish. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 08:37:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA02520 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02506 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corona (jrclark@indy1.indy.net [199.3.65.5]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02081 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:36:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:36:39 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960521104110.002f6864@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: John Clark Subject: Howto use the "ports" collection Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To all, I would like to contribute the following lines as a "howto" document, or a supplement to the Handbook documentation, or a FAQ (wherever the documentation maintainers feel is best). I really felt like a fool not knowing how to use the "ports" collection. After figuring out how, I really felt like a fool -- you FreeBSD people really have application porting down to a science! The entire ports process is so simple, I can see why a few vital details are missing from _any_ of the available documentation. What I want from you all (who care to read) is to make sure the info is accurate before submission. I just learned (hours ago) how the whole process works. Here it is: --cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here--- --------------------------------- HOW TO USE THE "PORTS" COLLECTION --------------------------------- What is it? ----------- The ports collection is a series of version specific patches that modify a particular distribution for compiling under FreeBSD. The patches do not reside in a single file, but in a subdirectory that must be tarred and gziped by you. Where is it installed? ---------------------- The patches (ports) are designed to run anywhere on the system, I think. However, in my experience, they work best in their default location: under the "/usr/ports" subdirectory. For example: How the "Apache" WWW server "port" may be installed: /usr/ports/distfiles/apache_1.0.5.tar.gz : The original distribution : (from: ftp.apache.org) /usr/ports/apache : The "port" : (from: ftp.freebsd.org) NOTE: This would be unpacked from the portname.tar.gz obtained from compressing the ports subdirectory on the server (get portname.tar.gz -- see below). - or better yet - /usr/ports/net/apache : (see above) As you can see there is a bit of flexibility as to where the "ports" patch sources are located. I think you should keep them under "/usr/ports." If you have many "ports" installed, the latter approach shown above may be the better idea for organization purposes. How to get all the files needed for a particular distribution: -------------------------------------------------------------- You really only need to grab the files from "ftp.freebsd.org" for the particular distribution you are interested in. Here's how: go to: "ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports-2.1" and run: "get portname.tar.gz" I know this seems crazy, as no such file will exist, but the site will tar and gzip the subdirectory of interest, piping the output to your ftp session, so you end up with "portname.tar.gz." Now that you have the subdirectory of the "port" tarred and gziped, you can unpack it in a subdirectory (preferably /usr/ports) and begin the "port" process. If you do not have the original distribution sources that the port is based upon, the "port" itself will attempt to anonymous ftp them from their primary site (uses "ncftp"). The default location for the original distribution (from 3rd parties) sources (in .tgz form) is "/usr/ports/distfiles." Make sure this subdirectory exists. You can also copy the gziped distribution file to "/usr/ports/distfiles" manually, and the "port" script will find it automatically. To see what files the "port" script will call, type: "make fetch-list" in the particular "port's" subdirectory. How to actually compile and install a "port": --------------------------------------------- Switch to the subdirectory containing the port you are ready to install. In the previous Apache WWW Server example, the directory may be "/usr/ports/apache." In the subdirectory, type: "make" This will patch and compile the original distribution. As stated before, if the original distribution file is not found in "" then it will attempt to fetch it from the Internet. All of this information is contained in the "Makefile;" ie.) "/usr/ports/apache/Makefile." Finally, type: "make install" This will copy the binaries just compiled, and may add manual pages, among other things. (You may also like to run: "make clean" afterward.) This should be enough to kick start you. Don't forget to try searching the questions archives at: "http://www.freebsd.org/search.html." Topics such as "ports how" have been fruitful for me. GOOD LUCK! --cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here--- --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 08:39:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA02681 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02668 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA32551; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:39:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:39:04 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9605211539.AA32551@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: jim@SmallWorks.COM Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: fast ethernet cards? In-Reply-To: <9605202307.AA02485@butthead.SmallWorks.COM> References: <9605202307.AA02485@butthead.SmallWorks.COM> Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < What is the recommended FAST (PCI-base) ethernet card to use on FreeBSD? Something based on the DEC DC21140 chip. This includes DEC's own DE500-XA, SMC's EtherPower 10/100 PCI, and numerous clones. You might also be able to find a board based on the Intel i82557 chip, such as Intel's EtherExpress Pro/100B, but beware: the packaging for the Pro/100 non-B looks identical, and the only way to recognize the B model is to look at the board to see if the chip is an 82556 (original) or an 82557 (the one that works). The driver for the DEC chips is `de', and for the Intel chips is `fxp'. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 08:56:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA04661 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04626; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12274; Tue, 21 May 1996 08:55:55 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199605211555.IAA12274@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 To: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 08:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605211006.LAA17953@garfield.biomath.jussieu.fr> from "af@biomath.jussieu.fr" at "May 21, 96 11:06:24 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I've installed FreeBSD Release 2.1 on the new 133Mhz Pentium (Intel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Endeavour m/b, Triton chipset) that will replace my old Sparc II which ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > needs retirement. It has 64Mb of main (70ns) memory, 512Kb cache, a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > 2Gb IDE boot disk, an Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI adapter which connects a > DEC RZ24 200Mb disk only for now. ... > And then... the dreaded "cc1 got signal 11" symptom :-( > > I've clocked down the motherboard (to 66Mhz I guess, the AMIBIOS setup > doesn't say): same. I've completely invalidated the secondary cache: Given the above underlined items, and the fact that your dmesg below showed a CPU speed of 133 MHz, I somehow doubt that anything you did in actually clocked it down to 66Mhz. Is what you want to to do is set the external clock speed to 60Mhz, thus slowing the system down to a 120Mhz Pentium. When the system boots it should report: CPU: 120-MHz Pentium 735\90 or 815\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Then see if you still have problems with signal 11's. If you don't, two likely causes are your SIMM's are two slow and the vendor is full of crap about the bios autodetecting memory speed, or you may have simms that are in violation of the 24 chip count imposed by almost all Triton chipset motherboards. ... > The hardware vendor claims that the machine has run a > three-day burn-in cycle with no problems. Yea, right, running ``DOS/Windows'' checkit or some other joke of a test program. > When I mentioned that I had > read articles saying that 60ns memory was required, he replied that > 70ns memory is OK on that kind of motherboard because the BIOS > automatically sets wait cycles (???) If it were a memory access time > problem, though, I would have expected the downclocking to make it > disappear. Did your system report itself under FreeBSD as a 120Mhz CPU? If not you failed in down clocking the system. > Any hints please ? the vendor seems a bit reluctant to swapping the > motherboard, and even more reluctant to changing memory SIMMs (he says > 60ns memory is virtually impossible to find nowadays). He is lying, and infact the price difference between 60 and 70nS memory is about $1.00/MB of memory. He just doesn't want to deal with it :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 09:55:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09652 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (main.statsci.com [198.145.127.110]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09647 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 09:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from statsci.com by main.statsci.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0uLuiK-000r3sC; Tue, 21 May 96 09:55 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mount extended DOS partition? References: <199605210843.KAA08006@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 10:43:44 +0200." <199605210843.KAA08006@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Reply-to: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 09:55:15 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Christoph P. Kukulies" wrote: > > I tried but it seems FreeBSD can't mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s2 /d > when wd0s2 is an extended DOS partition. Don't you want to be mounting one of the logical DOS partitions inside the extended DOS partition? I thought those started numbering at slice 5, so I think you might be able to do: cd /dev ./MAKEDEV wd0s5c mount -t msdos /dev/wd0s5c /d to get the first logical DOS partition out of the extended DOS partition? I haven't done this in a while and I don't have a FreeBSD system handy at the moment, but that's how I thought it went. Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:03:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10254 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10247 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corona (jrclark@indy2.indy.net [199.3.65.7]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA02224 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:03:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:03:26 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960521120759.002fc6ec@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: John Clark Subject: Assorted (annoying?) "beginners" questions: Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Assorted (annoying?) "beginners" questions: 1) Every time I "su" from a telnet session, a notification is posted to the server's console. How do I stop this? 2) Where are the login promptings kept? For example, the default login promptings: login: Password: But I may want: login: myname myname's password: 3) I know that "The Regents of the University of California" hold the copyright, how do I stop a telnet session from telling me that every time I login? Copyright (c) 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Also, I have not been able to find info on making an "Emergency Boot Disk." Could someone point me point me in the proper direction? Thanks again; --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:12:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10956 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom.netcom.com (dseguira@netcom.netcom.com [192.100.81.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10950 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dseguira@localhost) by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA19177; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:14 -0700 From: dseguira@netcom.com (Dennis Seguirant) Message-Id: <199605211712.KAA19177@netcom.netcom.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: HELP! - booting Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HELP! I just installed Freebsd 2.1 on my Intel 486/33-DX2. I installed without errors from a DOS partition on my second physical IDE drive. The source for the install was on a Primary partition. The instructions said that when I reset the computer Freebsd would boot. Freebsd won't boot. I talked with the support line at Walnut creek CD. They suggested installing a boot manager in the boot sector of my C drive. I remember the installation menu instructions comment which mentioned that "PC-DOS users would almost certainly NOT want to install a boot manager". I would like to boot using the boot manager if the installation of the boot manager will NOT cause problems for my MS-DOS/MS-WINDOWS boot from my C drive. I have the boot floppy I used to enter the installation utility. I have been unable to figure out where to point the boot parameters to for my installation. I have two drives: wd0 and wd1 I have a primary dos partition on the wd1 drive The Freebsd partitions appear in the FDISK-Label utility as: wd1s3a = / wd1s3b = swap wd1s3e = /tmp wd1s3f = /usr Q: Can I safely install a boot manager from Freebsd? Q: How do I boot MY kernel from the boot floppy? (Boot: wd(1,?)/kernel @ ?????? Thanks, Dennis Seguirant e-mail: dseguira@netcom.com tel: (510) 444-0171 x320 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:12:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11003 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@[199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10948; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15934; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605211712.KAA15934@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: af@biomath.jussieu.fr cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 21 May 96 08:55:54 -0700. <199605211555.IAA12274@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:11:01 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> When I mentioned that I had >> read articles saying that 60ns memory was required, he replied that >> 70ns memory is OK on that kind of motherboard because the BIOS >> automatically sets wait cycles (???) If it were a memory access time >> problem, though, I would have expected the downclocking to make it >> disappear. My motherboard (ASUS) _specifically_ says you need to use 60ns memory if you're going to run the memory bus at 66MHz (which is what you're doing). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:27:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12028 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from casper.haunt.com (casper.haunt.com [204.134.9.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12023 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by casper.haunt.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23482; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:26:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:26:55 -0600 From: Steven Jorgensen Message-Id: <199605211726.LAA23482@casper.haunt.com> To: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu (John Clark), questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMC EtherPower 10/100 (PCI) -- NOT Newsgroups: freebsd.questions Organization: Haunted Hideway X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <2.2.32.19960520095908.002e9324@felix.iupui.edu> you wrote: : Hello all, : : SMC EtherPower 10/100 (PCI) -- NOT A BAD CHOICE? : I see "Jordan's Picks" include the SMC EtherPower 10/100 (PCI). Sounds like : a great card, however, I do NOT see it listed in the 2.1-RELEASE kernel : config file, or is it hiding as a DEC board? Could an actual owner of this : board, or someone with direct personal knowldege of this board please : respond with your two cents? : I hope FreeBSD supports this board's bus mastering ability. : Thanks in advance. I use this board on my Pentium system.. It's a very nice card, and wasn't difficult to configure at all.. The kernel device is de0 and the chipset behind this card is the DEC chip set, which is why you didn't see that specific brand on the compatibility list. Steve -- --------------------------------------------------------- Steven Jorgensen steve@haunt.com --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:47:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13243 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13238 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA01479; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:40:29 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605211740.KAA01479@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: jimd@mistery.mcafee.com (Jim Dennis) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:40:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: ejs@bfd.com, terry@lambert.org, archie@whistle.com, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210414.VAA07076@mistery.mcafee.com> from "Jim Dennis" at May 20, 96 09:14:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Win 95's native TCP/IP configuration dialogs include a field for > "proxy" (much like the configuration dialogs of Netscape and > QVTNet's Telnet and FTP clients). > > I suspect that Win '95 can talk to a SOCKS gateway. If anyone > knows for sure (either way) please speak up. If it is SOCKS > compliant than all one should have to do is fill in the > dialog and any of the Win '95 included applets should work > "out of the box." (well, work as well as they do with a > "real" IP address anyway). Can you please verify this? I hit "right-button, properties" on "network neighborhood", which brought up "Network", a tabbed dialog box. The only relevant tab was "Configuration". There were no settings like you describe under either "Client for Microsoft Networks, Properties" or "TCP/IP, Properties" tabbed dialogs -- the native TCP/IP configuration dialogs. I then went to "Start, Settings, Control Panel". "Network" brings up the properties tabbed dialog box. In "Start, Settings, Control Panel, Internet" (which only appears if you install the "Plus!" pack), the "Advanced" tab describes proxy services. I thought this was for the announced NT proxy server? If this is in fact for socks, this would be seriously important to know. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:51:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13520 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13515 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA01498; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:45:40 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605211745.KAA01498@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: mrm@Mole.ORG (M.R.Murphy) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:45:40 -0700 (MST) Cc: archie@whistle.com, terry@lambert.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, clintm@ICSI.Net, dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605211300.GAA14547@meerkat.mole.org> from "M.R.Murphy" at May 21, 96 06:00:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What I really want, emphasize really, is to both know how Terry > has 60 hours uncomitted each month for two consecutive months and > how I can have the same... 60 hours total for two months. 2 days @ 16 hours = 32 hours * 2 months = 64 hours. -4 hours for lunch + dinner (30 minutes each) = 60 hours. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:52:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13599 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msli.com ([165.113.240.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13592 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jisom@localhost) by msli.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA02232; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:51:11 -0700 From: Jim Isom Message-Id: <199605211751.KAA02232@msli.com> Subject: Re: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210233.MAA24268@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 21, 96 12:03:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Michael Smith: > ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu stands accused of saying: > > > > produces an angry response from ld.so to the effect that some > > library in /usr/X11R6/lib is not found. I downloaded the beta > > XFree86 and ran ldconfig on /usr/X11R6/lib, but still have the > > same problem. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated... > > I'm resisting the urge to swear at you. Consider yourself lucky 8) > > _WHICH_ library isn't found? How can we _possibly_ tell what the problem > is from here? Are we supposed to be telepathic, or perhaps to track your > machine down, hack into it and check for ourselves? > > Please. Apply just a skerrick of the old grey matter here. > > > Rohan > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > Hmmm. At the risk of being flamed by knowledgable others, I'll note that in order to avoid the problems dscribed by Rohan, I've included in my .cshrc a line: setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/X11R6/lib This fixed a problem when running xemacs. -- Jim Isom jisom@msli.com From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:56:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13802 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon.chromatic.com (xenon.chromatic.com [199.5.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13785; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ohio.chromatic.com (ohio.chromatic.com [199.5.224.98]) by xenon.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14690; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hua@localhost) by ohio.chromatic.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA00279; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:56:28 -0700 From: Ernest Hua Message-Id: <199605211756.KAA00279@ohio.chromatic.com> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 Cc: hua@XENON.chromatic.com Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have many Endeavours and Endeavour-derived motherboards. We have suffered many bad cache problems, especially the 512K ones. If you are working at a company with a cache memory tester, USE IT!!! It will save you countless hours of frustration. We have had very high failure rates for caches shipped with Endeavours (but I doubt it is the fault of the motherboard). In fact, use those DRAM testers as well! Ern From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 10:59:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13948 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crux2.cit.cornell.edu (root@CRUX2.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.232.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13943 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crux4.cit.cornell.edu by crux2.cit.cornell.edu (5.65/2.0) with SMTP id AA25445; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:57:47 -0400 Message-Id: <9605211757.AA25445@crux2.cit.cornell.edu> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. Date: Tue, 21 May 96 13:57:46 -0400 From: Rohan Oberoi X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apologies for not having included the relevant part of the error message. It was "Can't find shared library "libXaw.so.6.0". >Hmmm. At the risk of being flamed by knowledgable others, I'll >note that in order to avoid the problems dscribed by Rohan, I've >included in my .cshrc a line: >setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/X11R6/lib >This fixed a problem when running xemacs. >Jim Isom jisom@msli.com Thanks, Jim, I'll try that. It seems a little strange that one should have to install the X server in order to run emacs, rather than being able to run emacs from the console. Is this really the way the package is designed ? Rohan. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:07:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14246 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14241 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01534; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:03:09 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605211803.LAA01534@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Install boo-boo To: smbrown@cisco.com (Stephen M. Brown) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:03:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960521034453.00a3b888@diablo.cisco.com> from "Stephen M. Brown" at May 20, 96 08:44:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Went through the initial boot from boot.flp, creating a freebsd partion on > wd1 leaving wd0 untouched but choosing the bootmanager option. Didn't > actually have the distribution but went through the process anyway, perhaps > my first mistake? Choosing the boot manager option when installing on a second drive is a bad thing. The boot manager is written to the first drive. You must now recover. There are two potential types of recovery: 1) wd0 did *not* have OnTrack or another MBR based LBA using INT 13 geometry translator Identification: You will see one or more valid partitions when you boot from floppy and run fdisk. If this is the case, then the standard MBR was overwritten by the boot selector from BSD. Then, when it went to mark a partition active, it couldn't find one, and now you have no active partition. Fix: boot a DOS floppy and run fdisk. Mark one of the partitions active. Problem solved. 2) wd0 *did* have OnTrack or another MBR based LBA using INT 13 geometry translator Identification: You will see one partition when you boot from floppy and run fdisk. You will not recognize the partition ID. Because the BIOS geometry is unknown to BSD because there is no way to call INT 13 AH=0x08 AL=0x80 from the kernel (needs a VM86() call gate), the replacement boot selector MBR overwrote the first part of the OnTRack or other MBR based LBA using INT 13 geometry translator. You will need to reinstall it from the disks which came with your system. There should be an option to allow you to do this without overwriting the partition table data. Once this is done, you need to boot DOS from the repaired drive do that the translator is installed during the boot process (remember that it was not installed when BSD wrote the MBR because BSD does not use BIOS to write the disk). Once you have booted to a DOS prompt (or, for Windows95, "Start, Shutdown..., Restart the computer in MS-DOS mode, Yes"), then you can install OS-BS.EXE from the DOS command line. This will put it over top of the real DOS MBR, which is at a translated offset instead of being at te start of the drive. > Now when the machine starts I get: NO ROM BASIC, SYSTEM HALTED and hangs. If the ROM POST initialization portion of the boot can't find a bootable device (by finding a valid boot record with an active partition), it will attempt to jump to the ROM BASIC location. Since most machines do not have the ROM BASIC because of licensing for BIOS clones, it has been replaces with a little code hunk to print out that message. You'd get the same message if you unplugged all the hard drives in almost any PC (almost, because some of them would start BASIC 8-)). > How do I make the boot disk (C:) available again? Tried doing fdisk /mbr to > recreate the MBR on the boot disk but no go. Please help. Bad plan, but you haven't damaged anything irreversably yet. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:12:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14753 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14748 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01552; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605211806.LAA01552@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Who is using a file? To: jimd@mistery.mcafee.com (Jim Dennis) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605210401.VAA07003@mistery.mcafee.com> from "Jim Dennis" at May 20, 96 09:01:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Once Upon A Time I came across the BSD utility to determine who has a > > particular file open and now I've forgotten it. This is a real useful thing > > when one wants to umount a fs and learns its busy. I *think* the utility > > could list the open files on a filesystem and/or list the users who are > > using a single file. > > > David, > > lsof > > ftp://coast.cs.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/lsof The lsof program looks in the DNLC to assemble file names. I thought that this didn't work under FreeBSD because the cache is in each FS (as calls to vfs_cache.c) instead of being shared like in SVR4 (as called through dnlc.c in vn_lookup). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:15:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14878 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14873 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01574; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:10:25 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605211810.LAA01574@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Modem Problem To: ANDRSN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (Annelise Anderson) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:10:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01I4XZGBH9BM006KPN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> from "Annelise Anderson" at May 20, 96 09:47:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If I run Windows 95 and forget to do a cold boot before I run > FreeBSD (2.1-STABLE), I can't dial in; the phone won't answer. (The phone has > been answering since last October, so in general things are set up > okay.) > > If I telnet to the machine and do cu -l /dev/cuaa1, it says cu: Line in use. > > Is there any way to fix this without a cold reboot, which of course I > can't do remotely? Turn off PnP relocation of the port resources (which is what is biting you). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:21:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15187 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15182 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01593; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:16:24 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605211816.LAA01593@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Endeavour 133Mhz+Adaptec 2940=cc1 got signal 11 To: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (Hr.Ladavac) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:16:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: af@biomath.jussieu.fr, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605211037.AA298575059@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> from "Hr.Ladavac" at May 21, 96 12:37:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Any hints please ? the vendor seems a bit reluctant to swapping the > > motherboard, and even more reluctant to changing memory SIMMs (he says > > 60ns memory is virtually impossible to find nowadays). > > BTW, RAM does not need to be your problem (cf. other postings). > Intel boards are something to avoid (cf. other postings, as well :) You just triggered a memory. Note that some Intel motherboards do *BADLY* with gold plated connectors on SIMMs, but work perfectly with the tin ones. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:27:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15454 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15448 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01609; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:23:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605211823.LAA01609@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD destroys hardware 2 To: blizzard@canoe.ca Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:23:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <31A1ECED.1E7A@canoe.ca> from "Dave Blizzard" at May 21, 96 11:18:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > After installing FreeBSD successfully on several pentiums I thought > I'd give my 386 at home a try. > I installed a new SCSI 1gb hard drive and attempted to install BSD on > the SCSI drive while leaving my 400mb IDE drive untouched. > The operation went great but the patient died > Installation went smoothly but I chose to have the boot mgr installed > and the result was an unbootable dos drive. After doing the same with > another IDE drive and controller the only conclusion is that the > boormanager destroys controllers. It's either that or the bootmgr > modifies hidden registers in the controller that can't be reset. I just answered this one under the subject "Install boo-boo". > I have low level formated the drives, repartitioned, attempted fdisk > /mbr which is undocumented and apparently does nothing, used Nortones > rescue to reload the boot partition and got nowhere. Yeah, well, if you had OnTrack on it, you will need to put it back on. The Norton rescue stuff goes through INT 13, so it's no suprise that it can't see the INT 13 redirector (Norton is dumb). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:28:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15597 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (longstreet.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.25.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15587 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from branson@localhost) by longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) id OAA23964 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:31:24 -0400 From: Branson Matheson Message-Id: <199605211831.OAA23964@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Questions) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:31:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199605202322.QAA28909@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 20, 96 04:22:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > (1)Could you describe the major differences between BSD and Linux? In > > what ways is each operating system better? > > It is shorter to New York than by bus. > > > (2) Is BSD easier to install than > > Linux? -- I have trouble installing Linux. > > What's the difference between a duck? > > > (3)Will software for Linux run on BSD and vice versa? > > Yes and no, respectively (finally, a sequitur). Humorous answers aside ;-) would it not be a good thing to put a comprehensive answer in the FAQ off of the web page? I think that it will solve lots repeated questions like " Linux vs. FreeBSD " and " I have blah foobar card.. will it run? ". Mabey even a more direct route? -branson -- ======================================================================== branson matheson | branson@widomaker.com Ferguson SysAdmin | http://widomaker.com/~branson From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:37:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16134 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16122 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01709; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:32:16 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605211832.LAA01709@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Assorted (annoying?) "beginners" questions: To: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu (John Clark) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:32:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960521120759.002fc6ec@felix.iupui.edu> from "John Clark" at May 21, 96 12:03:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Assorted (annoying?) "beginners" questions: > > 1) Every time I "su" from a telnet session, a notification > is posted to the server's console. How do I stop this? Don't su? 8-) It's a security alert. That way, if you are sitting on the console and a hacker su's, you know about it. > 2) Where are the login promptings kept? For example, the > default login promptings: > > login: > Password: > > But I may want: > > login: myname > myname's password: /usr/src/usr.bin/login/login.c (two locations for the prompt string). > 3) I know that "The Regents of the University of California" > hold the copyright, how do I stop a telnet session from > telling me that every time I login? touch ~/.hushlogin 8-). > Also, I have not been able to find info on making an > "Emergency Boot Disk." Could someone point me point > me in the proper direction? See the handbook on www.freebsd.org. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:55:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17744 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from connx.vironix.co.za (connx.vironix.co.za [196.6.101.70]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17728 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) From: eagle@connx.vironix.co.za Message-Id: <199605211854.LAA17728@freefall.freebsd.org> To: QUESTIONS@FREEBSD.ORG Date: 21 May 1996 20:48:44 GMT+0200 Subject: FreeBDS 2.0.5 Sender: owner-questions@FREEBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To whom it may concern About three weeks ago I bought a copy of FreeBSD 2.0.5 (Double CD Pack) from a local software dealer. Since then I have been trying to install the software onto my computer. I have an 80486 DX2-50, 12MB RAM, Western Digital 1.2 GB HDD (IDE), Conner 426 MB HDD (IDE), Creative Labs Sound Blaster Pro (8-bit stereo), Creative Labs Quad Speed CD-ROM (IDE), 1.44 & 1.2 floppy drives and VL-BUS controller cards for the screen and multi I/O hard disk controller card. The multi I/O hard disk controller card is an enhanced IDE controller card. In the help documents on installing it says that FreeBSD 2.0.5 does not support IDE CD-ROM drives so I followed the instructions for installing from a DOS partition. I copied the files using the commands given but when it started to install it told me that it could not find root.flp but the file was in the c:\FreeBSD directory. I was installing from the C: drive (1.2 GB HDD) to the D: drive (426 MB HDD). I want the whole D: drive to be dedicated to UNIX. Later on I visited your ftp site at ftp.cdrom.com and downloaded a file called atapi.flp which is the boot disk that supports IDE CD-ROMS. I used RAWRITE to make the disk as instructed in the help files. This did not work either. It found the port address and the IRQ of the CD-ROM and that is all . I think that my CD-ROM is not supported though because the model number is: GCD-R540B. I want to install the XDevelopers version which is about 200 MB and using floppy disks is not a practical method for this installation. Can you please tell me how to make the programme install from the hard drive or if possible from my IDE CD-ROM. Yours Sincerely Sean Preston E-Mail: eagle@connx.vironix.co.za Snail Mail: 13 School Road Amanzimtoti 4126 South Africa Telephone Number: +2731-903-3553 (after 5:30pm South African Time - GMT + 2 hours) ... A feature is a bug with seniority. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 11:58:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA18242 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hod.tera.com (hod.tera.com [206.215.142.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18231 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [206.215.142.62]) by hod.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10476 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:56:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20510 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605211857.LAA20510@athena.tera.com> Subject: Utilities and POSIX compliance.... To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Fellow BSDers, If you had asked me some months ago if I thought that the BSD utilities were largely POSIX-compliant, I would have said Yes. No hesitation. I'm finding that there are a whole bunch of the commonly used utilities that are not compliant. The other day I ftp'd back from MIT just about every utility port that the FSF has done. These utilities are about as POSIX-ready as you can get. `wc' is missing the -m (multibyte) flag, and I expect that other of the language/locale-specific utilities are missing these hooks. Can any of the BSD gurus point me at the person or persons who are working on the utilities? Since there are around 300 utilities, I'm guessing that there are several people involved. I'd like to know why more of the Berkeley utilities aren't POSIX-compliant. That is, why, without some minor--or even major--hacks, these utilities haven't been brought up to standard. The BSD kernel is A++, but not the utils... . Thanks much. gary kline PS: I'm _not_ asking why BSD/FreeBSD doesn't use more of the GNU ports... . Terry mumbled something about licensing or policy or philosophy that went right over my head! From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 12:01:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA18657 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdcc10.ucsd.edu (root@sdcc10.ucsd.edu [132.239.50.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18647 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uape-35.ucsd.edu (llay@uape-35.ucsd.edu [132.239.56.35]) by sdcc10.ucsd.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10220 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from llay@localhost) by uape-35.ucsd.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA23431; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Enigma To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Specific Driver support question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I didn't see the Smartcache III from DPT on the list of supported SCSI adaptors. Curious, is it NOT supported--or is there any way to get around that? Strange though, FreeBSD is popular among servers--and DPT's SCSI adaptors are also more popular among servers for their expandability and extensive RAID support. Second question, is it possible to use BSD 4.3 filesystem on FreeBSD? I was thinking... FreeBSD is based on BSD 4.4 lite--which decended from BSD 4.3--so it should be able to, right? Any answers appreciated. Lucas. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 12:07:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19261 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rush.u-netsys.com.br (RUSH.U-NETSYS.COM.BR [200.246.214.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19250 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:07:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rush ([200.246.214.10]) by rush.u-netsys.com.br (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-11148) with SMTP id AAA146 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 16:04:25 -0300 Message-ID: <31A205A8.4D85@u-netsys.com.br> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 16:04:24 -0200 From: paul@u-netsys.com.br (Paulo C. Marques F.) Reply-To: paul@u-netsys.com.br Organization: U-Net Systems do Brasil Ltda X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0B2 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Help. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Sir, I am using FreeBSD, and now I am really sure that it is much better than Linux (faster, reliable). I was recompiling the kernel but I made a big mistake: all the files in the /sys/i386/conf have been deleted! Could someone send those files? Thanks in advance, Paulo Marques F. paul@u-netsys.com.br From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 12:30:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21671 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21658 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 12:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA01217; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:29:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:29:38 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9605211929.AA01217@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Gary Kline Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Utilities and POSIX compliance.... In-Reply-To: <199605211857.LAA20510@athena.tera.com> References: <199605211857.LAA20510@athena.tera.com> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > Can any of the BSD gurus point me at the person or persons > who are working on the utilities? Since there are around > 300 utilities, I'm guessing that there are several people > involved. You're guessing wrong. > I'd like to know why more of the Berkeley utilities aren't > POSIX-compliant. Because there isn't anybody who (1) is competent to update them, (2) cares, and (3) has sufficient free time to do so. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 13:10:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24759 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@[196.7.74.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24700; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from khetan@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA03189; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:15:38 +0200 (SAT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:15:37 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: James Raynard cc: questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Top not functioning In-Reply-To: <199605191918.TAA07920@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, James Raynard wrote: > Yes, top is very system-dependent and needs to be re-compiled after > re-making the world (ps is similar, but 'make world' handles this > automatically). Done. > If you're upgrading from 2.1.0-RELEASE, your best bet is to get the > latest version from ports-current, as this has been kept coordinated > with all the system changes. Ok. Thanks. --- Khetan Gajjar Visit at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 13:11:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24858 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@[196.7.74.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24785; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from khetan@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA03990; Mon, 20 May 1996 23:23:05 +0200 (SAT) Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 23:23:05 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: Gary Palmer cc: questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: top : a updated situation In-Reply-To: <19828.832543725@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 May 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > This is because the swaplist stuff changed in -current a couple of > months back. I'll send a copy of files/m_freebsd2.c in private e-mail > which should allow the port to compile if I remember right. Thanks for the file. However, I now get to a stage where it won't install. I'll just copy the top file from work, but what's the solution to get it working correctly ? ---beginnning--- [chain] /usr/ports/sysutils/top# make clean all ===> Cleaning for top-3.3 Checksums OK. ===> Extracting for top-3.3 ===> Patching for top-3.3 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for top-3.3 ===> Configuring for top-3.3 cp /usr/ports/sysutils/top/files/defaults /usr/ports/sysutils/top/work/.defaults cp /usr/ports/sysutils/top/files/m_freebsd2.* /usr/ports/sysutils/top/work/machine Reading configuration from last time... Using these settings: Bourne Shell /bin/sh C compiler cc Compiler options -DHAVE_GETOPT -O Awk command awk Install command ./install Module freebsd2 LoadMax 5.0 Default TOPN -1 Nominal TOPN 18 Default Delay 2 Random passwd access yes Table Size 47 Owner root Group Owner kmem Mode 2755 bin directory $(PREFIX)/bin man directory $(PREFIX)/man/man1 man extension 1 man style man Building Makefile... Building top.local.h... Building top.1... Doing a "make clean". rm -f *.o top core core.* sigdesc.h To create the executable, type "make". ===> Building for top-3.3 cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c top.c awk -f sigconv.awk /usr/include/sys/signal.h >sigdesc.h cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c commands.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c display.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c screen.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c username.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c utils.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c version.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c getopt.c cc -DHAVE_GETOPT -O -c machine.c rm -f top cc -o top top.o commands.o display.o screen.o username.o utils.o version.o getopt.o machine.o -ltermcap -lm -lkvm [chain] /usr/ports/sysutils/top# make Checksums OK. [chain] /usr/ports/sysutils/top# make install Checksums OK. ===> Installing for top-3.3 install -c -o root -m 2755 -g kmem top /usr/local/bin install: unknown option -c install -c top.1 /usr/local/man/man1/top.1 install: unknown option -c strip /usr/local/bin/top strip: /usr/local/bin/top: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. [chain] /usr/ports/sysutils/top# --- Khetan Gajjar Visit at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 13:14:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA25172 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25156; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA10550 ; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:14:29 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id WAA02316 ; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:14:28 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.5/keltia-uucp-2.7) id VAA08415; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:03:02 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199605211903.VAA08415@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: CRON: it loves me To: edmond@UWYO.EDU (Andrew N. Edmond) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 21:03:01 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew N. Edmond" at "May 20, 96 11:41:52 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1983 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Andrew N. Edmond said: > Subject: Cron root /usr/libexec/atrun > > root: not found > > which, in the tradition of UNIX, is pretty vague. History preceding this > symptom: You have either a /etc/crontab-like file (with the extra user name) in /var/cron/crontabs/root or you put an extra parameter on the atrun line which means that the user name is taken as a command. Look into /var/cron/crontabs. If you have a file named root, "rm" it. The root crontab is only in /etc/crontab. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #2: Fri May 10 21:09:14 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 13:54:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA28736 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28729 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01994; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:48:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605212048.NAA01994@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: branson@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (Branson Matheson) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:48:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605211831.OAA23964@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov> from "Branson Matheson" at May 21, 96 02:31:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > (3)Will software for Linux run on BSD and vice versa? > > > > Yes and no, respectively (finally, a sequitur). This was a serious answer (to the only serious question of the 3). > Humorous answers aside ;-) would it not be a good thing to put a > comprehensive answer in the FAQ off of the web page? I think that it > will solve lots repeated questions like " Linux vs. FreeBSD " and " I > have blah foobar card.. will it run? ". The answer is subjective. Maybe we can make an interactive "pich a path aventure" using HTML links which will recommend a system based on user priorities. Sort of a budgo expert system. Don't be suprised when all of the answers come back "FreeBSD" from the FreeBSD veriosn of the system and "Linux" on the Linux version. > Mabey even a more direct route? We could always say, unconditionally, "Use FreeBSD". At the very least, there would be no question about where our potential bias lies. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 13:55:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA28840 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (root@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu [129.101.119.223]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28835 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from invoice.bookstore.uidaho.edu ([129.101.113.87]) by crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03900 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 13:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31A22DA3.6A72@cs.uidaho.edu> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 13:55:00 -0700 From: "Michael L. Harrison" Organization: University of Idaho X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Hardware support - X windows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know if this is the right place to ask this so if it isn't let me know where I can get the info. I have a 1) Diamond Multimedia Stealth 2201TV PCI 1280x1024 NI 2mb Dram SVGA video adapter 2) Sony Multiscan 17sf II monitor and I am trying to set it up for XFree, I can't get it to start up from what I know and was wondering what the settings are. I already have the whole system installed and just wanted to let you know how great I think it is. I was a Linux worshipper for a long time but I think I am pretty much converted to FreeBSD. Great job. Mike harr9446@cs.uidaho.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 14:06:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29679 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29671 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA02018; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:01:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605212101.OAA02018@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Utilities and POSIX compliance.... To: kline@tera.com (Gary Kline) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:01:07 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605211857.LAA20510@athena.tera.com> from "Gary Kline" at May 21, 96 11:57:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > `wc' is missing the -m (multibyte) flag, and I expect that > other of the language/locale-specific utilities are missing > these hooks. "Multibyte" is an evil, evil implementation of internationalization (the process of making software localizable to a particular locale using only data and environment, not code changes). It doesn't deal at all with multinationalization (the process of making software capable of simultaneously operating in several locales, generally useful only for translators and language scholars). I really can't be too sad about missing bogus locale implementation flags. > Can any of the BSD gurus point me at the person or persons > who are working on the utilities? Since there are around > 300 utilities, I'm guessing that there are several people > involved. > > I'd like to know why more of the Berkeley utilities aren't > POSIX-compliant. That is, why, without some minor--or even > major--hacks, these utilities haven't been brought up to > standard. The BSD kernel is A++, but not the utils... . I believe they are all i18n. The general consensus is to not POSIX'ify if there will be a significant loss of functionality, or if doing so would mean moving from a BS source to a GPL'ed one. I believe nmost of the Lite2 code has not been integrated -- there are supposedly some serious strides towards POSIX in some of the unintegrated code. > PS: I'm _not_ asking why BSD/FreeBSD doesn't use more of the > GNU ports... . Terry mumbled something about licensing or > policy or philosophy that went right over my head! Consider it mumbled again... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 14:16:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00364 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lausd.k12.ca.us (lausd.k12.ca.us [192.215.166.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00357 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lausd.k12.ca.us (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26128; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:19:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Les Higger To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: apachie Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk where might I find docs on how to use apachie. and why when I ls do i not see all directories. I am just learning unix and even though I have tried a few commands from unix books.. I still have yet to be able to list all subdirectories from the root/ I am logined in as root and can go to /bin and stuff but i don't see it doing ls -x thx *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++* * Les Higger Student Information Systems * Local Area Network Coord. * lhigger@lausd.k12.ca.us * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School * Los Angeles Unified School District ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad examples <--- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 14:17:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00411 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from comp1.aiiad.com (aiiad.com [204.235.85.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00378 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [0.0.0.0] by comp1.aiiad.com id aa006105 Tue, 21 May 96 17:16:02 Eastern Daylight Time--100 Message-ID: <31A25DE5.6952@aiiad.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:20:53 -0700 From: Bruce Goldberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: bridging X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/support.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailedby: NT SMTP/LISTSERVER v2.10 (ntmail@net-shopper.co.uk) Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm looking for a software bridge for netbeui and I don't know where to turn; can you help? Do you know if bsd, or any unix for that matter, can bridge, or where I can go for help? I may have to filter out pakets based on protocol, heavy decodes, or plain pattern matching. I'm interested in currently working, already ported packages. Thanks very much Bruce Goldberg From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 14:38:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA01547 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po8.andrew.cmu.edu (PO8.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01539 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po8.andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA11718 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:38:09 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Jan.26.1995.18.43.47.sun4c.411.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4lcXSLC00YUq0Rt_lo@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Jason White To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ports-utils not current? Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I keep getting a message from sup saying that the 'current' release is not available for ports-utils. What's the correct release if this is not? all the other collections seem to sup without difficulty. -Matt From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:01:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA02935 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp10.netcom.com [163.179.3.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02926 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ase.ase.com by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id OAA03217; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:50:51 -0700 Received: (from gary@localhost) by ase.ase.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA04037; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:33:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary DeMarco To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: modem problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After a recent problem in which my IDE card was zapped, I replaced same only to have modem problems. I am a subdomain off another system; however, while I can dial in and receive calls, when my machine dials in to pick up mail, I get protocol, header a and checksum problems noticed in the /var/spool/uucp/Log and /Stats files. I can reboot up on DOS, use pcplus to upload/download files okay. I can tip into another system, and talk to my modem. It is a Practical Peripherals PM14400FXMT. Once in a while, I can send mail; it seems to go out, but not all that regularly; and on even rarer occasions, mail will come, but only very short, one line messages. Could use some pointers here. Gary DeMarco gary@ase.ase.com From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:07:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03286 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03277 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id XAA08656; Tue, 21 May 1996 23:00:39 +0100 (BST) To: Terry Lambert cc: kline@tera.com (Gary Kline), freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Utilities and POSIX compliance.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 14:01:07 PDT." <199605212101.OAA02018@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 23:00:38 +0100 Message-ID: <8654.832716038@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote in message ID <199605212101.OAA02018@phaeton.artisoft.com>: > I believe they are all i18n. The general consensus is to not > POSIX'ify if there will be a significant loss of functionality, > or if doing so would mean moving from a BS source to a GPL'ed one. ^^ That's ``BSD'' not ``Back Space'' or ``Bull S***'', before anyone gets wise :-) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:14:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03845 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:14:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@chain.iafrica.com [196.7.74.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03839 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from khetan@localhost) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA06453; Wed, 22 May 1996 00:14:46 +0200 (SAT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:14:45 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: apsfilter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all. I have a HP Laserjet 4l and installed apsfilter and answered everything correctly. Everything I print however is being printed like it's being printed on 4 a4 pages - i.e. a2 I have checked, and it's set to a4. ANy ideas ? --- Khetan Gajjar Visit at http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan/ UUNet-Internet Africa Operations help@iafrica.com or 0800-030-002 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:22:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA04409 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.digitech.net (digitech.rain.com [204.119.8.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04395 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chris ([204.119.47.100]) by gemini.digitech.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01802; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:24:28 -0700 Received: by chris with Microsoft Mail id <01BB4729.98CCA400@chris>; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:24:26 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB4729.98CCA400@chris> From: Chris Odom To: "'questions@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'hsup@pranja.cdrom.com'" Subject: installing 2.1 crashes.... Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:24:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to install FreeBSD 2.1 onto a compaq 486. The machine = doesn't have a CDROM drive, so I'm installing via FTP. (I can put the = CD into another machine here in the office, then just FTP to that = machine.) The install program successfully ftp's in. It appears to transfer a = few files. Then I get this message: Failed to retrieve piece file bin/bin.aa! Aborting the transfer. It then asks me if I would like to try to grab that file again. If I = say yes, the install program's signal handler exit()s, giving this = message: Fatal signal 11 caught! I'm dead.. Can anyone out there please help? Chris Odom From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:22:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA04464 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04459 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA08607; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:34:50 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605212234.PAA08607@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Cc: branson@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605212048.NAA01994@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 21, 96 01:48:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > The answer is subjective. > > Maybe we can make an interactive "pich a path aventure" using HTML > links which will recommend a system based on user priorities. Sort > of a budgo expert system. > > Don't be suprised when all of the answers come back "FreeBSD" from > the FreeBSD veriosn of the system and "Linux" on the Linux version. I use both. I'm more familiar with Linux. I'd pose the following decisions on your tree: Robust high speed TCP/IP: FreeBSD +5, Linux -10 High performance for local applicatons: Linux +5, FreeBSD -2 Diversity of Applications: Linux +10, FreeBSD +5 Integration of Applications with OS: Linux -15, FreeBSD +10 Others? Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:27:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA04841 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nemesis.azlink.com (neeo@azlink.com [206.67.224.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04829 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from neeo@localhost) by nemesis.azlink.com (8.7.3/8.7.2) id PAA09364; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:26:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:26:56 -0700 (MST) From: "Mr. Neeo" To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: GPM for fbsd? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a fbsd port/do-the-same-thing (tm) type program of the linux util gpm? I would really like to be able to copy and paste from/to my text consoles. :> -Paul... From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:31:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA05250 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05244 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA20092 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:30:59 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id WAA08509; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:50:38 +0100 (BST) To: Branson Matheson cc: FreeBSD Questions From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 14:31:23 EDT." <199605211831.OAA23964@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:50:38 +0100 Message-ID: <8507.832715438@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Branson Matheson wrote in message ID <199605211831.OAA23964@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov>: > Humorous answers aside ;-) would it not be a good thing to put a > comprehensive answer in the FAQ off of the web page? I think that it > will solve lots repeated questions like " Linux vs. FreeBSD " and " I > have blah foobar card.. will it run? ". > > Mabey even a more direct route? This was recently discussed on the freebsd-doc mailing list (should be available in the archives ... my mail to the list was sent on friday or saturday). Since the FAQ is an official document of the FreeBSD Project, myself and others feel it would not be wise to make such comparisons in an official publication of the Project. (If you look in the archive, I gave detailed reasons, but basically is that if we make such a comparison, someone, somewhere will take offense at it and start slagging us off. There is no such thing as a fair, unbiased, treatment of this area, which is often considered a nearly religous issue, and treated with much fanatacism by some). So basically, it won't hit OUR web pages, but I am not ruling out putting a pointer to someone else comparisons, with a suitable note that, being a 3rd party document, we cannot be held responsible or accountable for the contents (type of thing. I'm tired at the minute and can't think of the right way of phrasing this) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:49:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06908 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po8.andrew.cmu.edu (PO8.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06898; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po8.andrew.cmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12664; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:49:41 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Jan.26.1995.18.43.47.sun4c.411.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8lcYVbu00YUq0RtAxR@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:49:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Jason White To: James Raynard Subject: Re: Top not functioning Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hmmm...I've also had problems with top, but my problem is somewhat different (I figured out the recompile part). When I run top, I get: Swap: 131M Total, 131M Used, 100% Inuse but freehold ( ~ )% swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/sd0s2b 65536 8884 56588 14% Interleaved /dev/sd1s2b 65536 8648 56824 13% Interleaved Total 130944 17532 113412 13% Swapinfo is, of course, giving the right answer. Question is why isn't top. I was planning on taking a closer look at this in a couple of days, but if someone knows the answer, they could save me some trouble. -Matt From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 15:53:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA07258 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07242 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA02399; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:48:32 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605212248.PAA02399@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: bridging To: bruce@aiiad.com (Bruce Goldberg) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 15:48:31 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <31A25DE5.6952@aiiad.com> from "Bruce Goldberg" at May 21, 96 05:20:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm looking for a software bridge for netbeui and I don't know where to > turn; can you help? There is a program called TAP or TCP Access Program, which is part of the AT&T StarLAN product. Note that NetBEUI is 100% non-routable, so you might need a serious amount of work to do the bridge. It doesn't help that most UNIX boxes are Ethernet_II and NetBEUI requires an 802.2 LLC. If you had a dual stack machine, you would probably do well to use the Samba sources as a start. > Do you know if bsd, or any unix for that matter, can bridge, or where I > can go for help? You can bridge, one mount at a time, by breaking Windows95 configurations using hardware bait-and-switch. This is a *very* bad thing to do. > I'm interested in currently working, already ported packages. Breaking a dual stack Win95 box may be your best bet. You will need a secondary disk controller and a drive you can partition up and format and later remove. You need to: 1) Install the new controller 2) Fdisk to add partitions 3) Reboot to make the drives show up (Win95 is stupid) 4) Export all of the new drives as permanent exports 5) Shutdown 6) Remove the temporary hard drive and controller 7) Import drives from the server you wish to bridge; as they are assigned previous hardware device drive ID's, they will be magically exported as well. 8) Not responsible for lost or corrupt data; not all calls go through IFSMgr to get to the client FSD code. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 16:01:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07919 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 16:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07911 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA29191; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:42:46 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605212312.IAA29191@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. To: jisom@msli.com (Jim Isom) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:42:45 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, ro11@crux4.cit.cornell.edu, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605211751.KAA02232@msli.com> from "Jim Isom" at May 21, 96 10:51:11 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Isom stands accused of saying: > > Hmmm. At the risk of being flamed by knowledgable others, I'll > note that in order to avoid the problems dscribed by Rohan, I've > included in my .cshrc a line: > > setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/X11R6/lib > > This fixed a problem when running xemacs. 'ldconfig -m /usr/X11R6/lib' or rebooting would have achieved the same thing. > Jim Isom jisom@msli.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 16:26:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA10889 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 16:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soback.kornet.nm.kr (audience@soback.kornet.nm.kr [168.126.3.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10884 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 16:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from audience@localhost) by soback.kornet.nm.kr (8.6.12+hangul/8.6.9) id IAA06206 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:32:10 +0900 From: JoongSub Lee (kornet) Message-Id: <199605212332.IAA06206@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Subject: PCMCIA sound card on the FreeBSD To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:32:09 +0900 (KST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a IBM PCMCIA 3D sound card. There is no driver for PCMCIA sound card. Right? When I used Linux, I heard it was possible to use this card via warm-boot. Is it possible to do that on the FreeBSD? Any information about PCMCIA sound card is welcomed. Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 16:36:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12263 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 16:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12235 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 16:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Amooooo@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA25615 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 May 1996 19:35:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:35:40 -0400 Message-ID: <960521193538_201351340@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Installing fbsd Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey everyone! I have 3 questions about the installiation and setup of FreeBsd. 1.I have a Adaptec scsi 7850 pci hard disk controller which I was told was in the same family as the Adaptec 2940 wide scsi controller. The problem that I have ran into is at boot up or the probing stage the scsi controller, the scsi cd rom and the scsi hard drive are found but at the installiation it can not find my hard disk or my scsi cd-rom. Can some one tell me if this scsi controller is compatiable with fbsd or if I need to get a driver for it. 2.My next question is about the distribution chose of Freebsd.(I need to install the o/s for tws fire wall). 3. Last questions is about any special instruction forinstalltion of Freebsd to be setup for a fire wall, such as do I need to setup the freebsd as http server or what. Thanks so much Adam From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 17:10:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA16950 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16944 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tulpi.interconnect.com.au (root@tulpi.interconnect.com.au [192.189.54.18]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA20667 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:10:32 -0700 Received: (from ahill@localhost) by tulpi.interconnect.com.au id KAA18343 (8.7.4/IDA-1.6); Wed, 22 May 1996 10:07:54 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:07:52 +1000 (EST) From: Anthony Hill To: John Clark cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports Collection -- up-to-date In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960520203115.002f4f78@felix.iupui.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It is not at all obvious how the ports collection works. I have read the > handbook chapter several times, and I am battled at how the whole process > works. I understand the ports collection to be a collection of software > tweaked to run with FreeBSD. I ftp'ed to > "ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/distfiles" and picked-up apache_1.0.5.tar.gz. > I unpacked the file into /usr/ports (I had to make the "ports" directory). > Upon looking through the Makefile, I saw that it was configured for Sun OS. > This does not seem very "tweaked" to me. I must be missing something, I can > download apache myself (from apache) and do the manual configuration. I was > lead to believe that someone had already config'ed the files to run under > FreeBSD, I must be missing something. John, To use the ports collection you download the files from the ports directorys. Take apache for example. ftp ftp.au.FreeBSD.ORG (you would choose the site closest to you) cd /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/www lcd /usr/ports/www bin get apache.tar.gz (wuftpd will tar and gzip the direcory tree under apache with this command) bye su (you dont have to be root for many of the ports to work, but some insist) cd /usr/ports/www cat apache.tar.gz | tar xvzf cd apache make install #At this point your machine will check in /usr/ports/distfiles for the #sources etc that it needs, it will also check to see if any other ports #that it depends on are present. If the sources it needs are present, it #will unpack, patch, compile and install them, if they are not present, it #will try and ftp them from somewhere. #It is a very good idea to grab the whole ports tree. (its only a few MB) #This means that if one port depends on another (many do), the other can #be automatically built as part of the process. cool ? From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 17:13:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17206 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17201 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29460; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:57:18 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605220027.JAA29460@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Specific Driver support question To: llay@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Enigma) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:57:17 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Enigma" at May 21, 96 12:01:23 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Enigma stands accused of saying: > > I didn't see the Smartcache III from DPT on the list of supported SCSI > adaptors. Curious, is it NOT supported--or is there any way to get around > that? Strange though, FreeBSD is popular among servers--and DPT's SCSI > adaptors are also more popular among servers for their expandability and > extensive RAID support. DPT are looking seriously at supporting FreeBSD in the near future. Please call DPT and tell them that you'd like to pass on your expression of interest, particularly if you're likely to be a big customer. > Second question, is it possible to use BSD 4.3 filesystem on FreeBSD? I > was thinking... FreeBSD is based on BSD 4.4 lite--which decended from BSD > 4.3--so it should be able to, right? 4.3 from _what_? You have an old RA-81 with a 4.3 filesystem on it? You're just the person I'm looking for to offload this SCSI-SDI interface I picked up a while back! > Lucas. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 17:20:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17758 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17753 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA29521; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:03:26 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605220033.KAA29521@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: bridging To: bruce@aiiad.com (Bruce Goldberg) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:03:25 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31A25DE5.6952@aiiad.com> from "Bruce Goldberg" at May 21, 96 05:20:53 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Goldberg stands accused of saying: > > Hi, > I'm looking for a software bridge for netbeui and I don't know where to > turn; can you help? > > Do you know if bsd, or any unix for that matter, can bridge, or where I > can go for help? > > I may have to filter out pakets based on protocol, heavy decodes, or > plain pattern matching. > > I'm interested in currently working, already ported packages. Go buy a decent router/bridge. People like 3com and Cisco make them, and they're designed from the ground up to do what you want. Or take the plunge and move to a routable transport protocol. I'd be inclined to recommend TCP/IP (naturally 8) > Bruce Goldberg -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 17:23:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17889 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17875 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA29564; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:07:02 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605220037.KAA29564@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Hardware support - X windows To: harr9446@cs.uidaho.edu (Michael L. Harrison) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:07:01 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <31A22DA3.6A72@cs.uidaho.edu> from "Michael L. Harrison" at May 21, 96 01:55:00 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. Harrison stands accused of saying: > > I don't know if this is the right place to ask this so if it > isn't let me know where I can get the info. You could probably try questions@xfree86.org. > I have a > 1) Diamond Multimedia Stealth 2201TV PCI 1280x1024 NI 2mb Dram > SVGA video adapter This is an S3-868 based card, correct? > 2) Sony Multiscan 17sf II monitor We have several of these. > and I am trying to set it up for XFree, I can't get it to start up from > what I know and was wondering what the settings are. What in particular are you trying to achieve? Do you have X starting at all? For your reference, here's a modeline for the 17sf that lets you run at 1280x1024 : Modeline "1280x1024" 105 1280 1340 1520 1680 1024 1027 1030 1056 This pushes the monitor right to the limit of its operating range, but it's been rock-steady on all the systems we use. > Mike -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 17:40:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA18982 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18973 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA01466; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199605220042.RAA01466@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: "Francis Percival C. Favoreal" cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL messages In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 11:12:15 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:33 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I was trying to build a customized kernel. I've done doing > changes in the MYKERNEL file and made a /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL. > I saw the following: > > line 34: no isa's to wildcard > line 39: no isa's to wildcard > ... There is a problem with your kernel config. check out the cited lines and make sure that the citation lines match up in pattern with GENERIC and LINT. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 17:42:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA19083 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.via.net (ns.via.net [140.174.204.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19077 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joe@localhost) by ns.via.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA01465 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:19 -0700 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199605220042.RAA01465@ns.via.net> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Is Token Ring supported? Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We need to set up a DHCP server at work - but it needs to support token ring. If FreeBSD doesn't support TR, I guess we'll be forced to use BSDi or even NT. -joe From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 18:01:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA21647 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21641 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00147; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:44:26 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605220114.KAA00147@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Assorted (annoying?) "beginners" questions: To: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu (John Clark) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:44:25 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960521120759.002fc6ec@felix.iupui.edu> from "John Clark" at May 21, 96 12:03:26 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Clark stands accused of saying: > > Assorted (annoying?) "beginners" questions: > > 1) Every time I "su" from a telnet session, a notification > is posted to the server's console. How do I stop this? You shouldn't. Someone becoming root is a serious issue. If your system is not connected to the net, and never will be, then you can edit /etc/syslog.conf (read the manpage) and change where messages get sent. > 2) Where are the login promptings kept? For example, the > default login promptings: > > login: > Password: > > But I may want: > > login: myname > myname's password: Why would you want that? You've just typed 'myname', it's right there on the screen in front of you. Anyway, you'll need to modify the source for the 'getty' and/or 'login' programs to change the prompts. > 3) I know that "The Regents of the University of California" > hold the copyright, how do I stop a telnet session from > telling me that every time I login? > > Copyright (c) 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. % touch ~/.hushlogin > --John -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 18:07:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA21895 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21885 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00180; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:48:09 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605220118.KAA00180@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. To: ro11@crux2.cit.cornell.edu (Rohan Oberoi) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:48:09 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9605211757.AA25445@crux2.cit.cornell.edu> from "Rohan Oberoi" at May 21, 96 01:57:46 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rohan Oberoi stands accused of saying: > > Apologies for not having included the relevant part of the > error message. It was "Can't find shared library "libXaw.so.6.0". This is part of the stock X distribution. Either you don't have X installed, or you haven't rebooted since you installed it. > Thanks, Jim, I'll try that. It seems a little strange that one > should have to install the X server in order to run emacs, rather > than being able to run emacs from the console. Is this really the > way the package is designed ? Emacs can be built with or without X support. The default is with, which makes for a more generally useful package but requires X to be installed. You can run emacs on the console even if it has X support, it just needs the libraries. Alternatively, you can use the 'port' structure to rebuild an emacs with no X support. > Rohan. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 18:10:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22211 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22206 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.6.10/DPC-1.0) with SMTP id BAA07894; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:08:41 GMT Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow X-Sender: dan@cedb To: Ollivier Robert cc: "Andrew N. Edmond" , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CRON: it loves me In-Reply-To: <199605211903.VAA08415@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 May 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > Look into /var/cron/crontabs. If you have a file named root, "rm" it. The > root crontab is only in /etc/crontab. My root file in /var/cron/tabs works fine, and so does /etc/crontabs. I'm used to running crontab -e and it doesn't seem to hurt anything, even if you are root. On 2.1R Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems Dana Point, California From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 18:28:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23223 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toti.est.is (ppp-10.est.is [194.144.208.110]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23212 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toti.est.is (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toti.est.is (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA01468; Thu, 23 May 1996 01:30:09 GMT Message-ID: <31A3BFA1.167EB0E7@est.is> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:30:09 +0000 From: Thordur Ivarsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrey A.Ptitsyn" CC: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Communications help wanted References: <199605220214.JAA05443@benpc.bionet.nsk.su> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrey A.Ptitsyn wrote: > = > Dear all: > We are purely academic team building internet connections in our > research intitute. Now we face a problem: how to link up a remote PC > in a building 500 meters away from our FreeBSD-powered host. What we > have is one-paire wire to the building, couple of US Robotics > Sportster modems and very limited cash. The PC runs Win 3.1. No > dial-up connection is available. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Andrey A.Ptitsyn If you connect the modems back to back you can connect, you only have to = start the modems with ATO on one end and ATA on the other. Thordur Ivarsson -- = =81h From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 18:31:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23479 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23473; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA02769; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:26:43 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605220126.SAA02769@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: gpalmer@freebsd.org (Gary Palmer) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:26:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: branson@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <8507.832715438@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at May 21, 96 10:50:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > There is no such thing as a fair, unbiased, > treatment of this area, which is often considered a nearly religous > issue, and treated with much fanatacism by some). Not to mention, the fanatics will just fix whatever you point at as bad in their product, or add whatever it is you say is good in their opponents product, and then flame you for being out of date. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 18:50:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24818 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24813 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01595; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:52:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199605220152.SAA01595@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: John Clark cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Where to find documentation on the ports collection? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 21:17:23 CDT." <2.2.32.19960520212155.002f6e24@felix.iupui.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:52:22 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am trying to use the ports collection with only the scant information > available in the handbook. Does anyone know where documentation on "how to > use the ports collection" can be found? > > I have tried to get just the "Makefile" and put it into some subdirectory, > and then type "make." It does seem to fetch a few files, then it chokes and > spits out all kinds of errors -- obviously doing this wrong. It would be > nice if this "ports" collection were documented somewhere -- or it is and I > can't find it. Seems like it should be so simple... > It should be. What were you trying to install? Ports do get stale if the distribution file has changed (and probably has in 5 months). Here's a quick summary of the procedure: 1) cd to the appropriate port directory. The ports are organized by category, so you have to get into a specific product directory. 2) Type 'make'. The distribution package will be pulled from /usr/ports/distfiles or ftp'd off the net, configured, and compiled. 3) Type 'make install' to install the new file. 4) Type 'make clean' to clear out the build directory to save space. Does this help? Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 18:56:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25206 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25201 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01614; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:58:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199605220158.SAA01614@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: 100075.1013@CompuServe.COM cc: questions@FreeBSD.org (freeq) Subject: Re: FreeBSD (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 22:20:13 EDT." <199605210220.WAA02698@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 18:58:27 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > We want to set up a UNIX machine, which will link to the Internet via a leased > line. This will become our internet mail/web server. All our users will connect > to the UNIX machine to do their internet mail/ftp jobs. They use PC's which is > linked via an Ethernet network to the UNIX machine. I have FreeBSD in mind, > because of the cost :-) > > We also want to create Web pages (i.e. a web-server) on this UNIX machine. > > Now for the questions. Is there a mail package available with FreeBSD? What > software does the PC's need to connect? (We're looking at installing Win4WG > and/or Win95) Is there web server software available for FreeBSD? Will this type > of setup work? 1) The built-in mail system should work fine. I would guess that you would want to use Eudora as a mail client on your Windows machines, so you will want to hunt down the pop3 daemon (which should be available in the ports collection). Otherwise you should be set for mail. 2) For a web (http) server, look into Apache. High performance, easy to configure, and free :-) That is also available in the ports collection. Hope this helps. Feel free to send any questions to questions@freebsd.org. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 18:57:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25282 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25277 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA01629; Tue, 21 May 1996 19:00:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199605220200.TAA01629@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Jeff Pogodzinski cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No disk found! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 21:28:08 CDT." <31A12A38.33C9@memphisonline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:00:42 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- > While trying to install FreeBSD I got the following error: > > No disk found! Please verify that your disk controller is being > properly probed at boot time.... > > How do I make sure my disk controller is being probed properly?? Watch the boot messages for "wdc0". > My system config: > > Packard Bell 486/66 Mhz, 8 Mb RAM > C: 540 Mb IDE drive with Windows 95 > D: 170 Mb IDE drive -- I want to install FreeBSD here! > E: SCSI, Sony CDU-55S cdrom drive There are some caveats installing to the second disk, mainly you'll have to install the boot manager on the first disk manually (but isn't difficult). Hm...170mb will be a tight fit for the system. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 19:27:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA27223 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 19:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27212 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 19:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA01688; Tue, 21 May 1996 19:30:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199605220230.TAA01688@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: blizzard@canoe.ca cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD destroys hardware? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 11:06:22 CDT." <31A1E9FE.70BE@canoe.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 19:30:06 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- > After installing FreeBSD successfully on several pentiums I thought > I'd give my 386 at home a try. > I installed a new SCSI 1gb hard drive and attempted to install BSD on > the SCSI drive while leaving my 400mb IDE drive untouched. > The operation went great but the patient died > Installation went smoothly but I chose to have the boot mgr installed > and the result was an unbootable dos drive. After doing the same with > another IDE drive and controller the only conclusion is that the > boormanager destroys controllers. It's either that or the bootmgr > modifies hidden registers in the controller that can't be reset. Could you elaborate on "an unbootable dos drive"? Did you get an error like "missing operating system" or "NO ROM BASIC SYSTEM HALTED"? Did you try a DOS boot floppy? Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 19:54:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29456 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 19:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eduserv.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (s_koyin@eduserv.its.unimelb.EDU.AU [128.250.6.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29442 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 19:53:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from s_koyin@localhost) by eduserv.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA15920; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:45 +1000 (EST) From: HMG coA reductase To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: auth and port 113 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk G'day i'd like to know what exactly is this "auth" thing that resides on port 113. Who uses it? What can it do? What good is it? and if a DOS-based telnet client doesn't recognise this auth thing, why does it take 10 seconds before the login: prompt appears? thanks! XXX ivan From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 20:07:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA00507 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00500 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA01854; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:10:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199605220310.UAA01854@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: dseguira@netcom.com (Dennis Seguirant) cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP! - booting In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 10:12:14 PDT." <199605211712.KAA19177@netcom.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:10:35 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- > I just installed Freebsd 2.1 on my Intel 486/33-DX2. I installed without errors > from a DOS partition on my second physical IDE drive. The source for the > install was on a Primary partition. The instructions said that when I reset the > computer Freebsd would boot. Freebsd won't boot. I talked with the support > line at Walnut creek CD. They suggested installing a boot manager in the boot > sector of my C drive. I remember the installation menu instructions comment > which mentioned that "PC-DOS users would almost certainly NOT want to install > a boot manager". I would like to boot using the boot manager if the installation > of the boot manager will NOT cause problems for my MS-DOS/MS-WINDOWS boot from > my C drive. I have the boot floppy I used to enter the installation utility. > I have been unable to figure out where to point the boot parameters to for my > installation. I don't ever remember seeing that. I think it's to stop you from installing the boot manager when installing FreeBSD to a second disk. The boot manager won't work if you do that. What you need to do if you want the boot manager is to pull the boot manager installer off of the CD or ftp.freebsd.org (in /tools) and install it manually on the first drive. > Q: How do I boot MY kernel from the boot floppy? (Boot: wd(1,?)/kernel @ ?????? You got it. Boot: wd(1,a)/kernel Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 20:21:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA01908 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01896 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA01904; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:23:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199605220323.UAA01904@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Les Higger cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: apachie In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 14:19:05 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:23:54 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- > where might I find docs on how to use apachie. The primary site is http://www.apache.org. Some of the supplementary documentation (especially the config files) is on hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu. Apache is modelled after the NCSA httpd and inherits its config file format. > and why when I ls do i not see all directories. Which directories? Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 20:23:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02140 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA02117 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA01444; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:06:38 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605220336.NAA01444@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL messages To: dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (Doug White) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:06:37 +0930 (CST) Cc: june@adn.edu.ph, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605220042.RAA01466@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> from "Doug White" at May 21, 96 05:42:33 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White stands accused of saying: > > > > I was trying to build a customized kernel. I've done doing > > changes in the MYKERNEL file and made a /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL. > > I saw the following: > > > > line 34: no isa's to wildcard > > line 39: no isa's to wildcard > > ... > > There is a problem with your kernel config. check out the cited lines and > make sure that the citation lines match up in pattern with GENERIC and LINT. More specifically, you've left the 'controller isa0' line out. > Doug White | University of Oregon -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 20:53:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA06115 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06106 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #13307) id <01I4ZBUSKB8S006NGB@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Tue, 21 May 1996 20:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: Modem Problem To: terry@lambert.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <01I4ZBUSKB8U006NGB@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"terry@lambert.org" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"freebsd-questions@freebsd.org",ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> If I run Windows 95 and forget to do a cold boot before I run >> FreeBSD (2.1-STABLE), I can't dial in; the phone won't answer. (The phone has >> been answering since last October, so in general things are set up >> okay.) >> >> If I telnet to the machine and do cu -l /dev/cuaa1, it says cu: Line in use. >> >> Is there any way to fix this without a cold reboot, which of course I >> can't do remotely? >Turn off PnP relocation of the port resources (which is what is >biting you). I've looked around in Windows 95 and can't find any place to turn off PnP relocation...e.g. Settings//Modems doesn't seem to allow this. Annelise > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 21:31:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA11634 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from becker2.u.washington.edu (spaz@becker2.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11625 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 21:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by becker2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA12509; Tue, 21 May 96 21:30:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 21:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: size of filesystem if u are gonna mount /usr ... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello All; Anybody have any idea how much space i would need to do something like this? This is exclusive of swap, of course. I plan on using 30 meg of swap given my 6 megs of ram ( That way the mysterious octave/gnuplot mem leak wont kill me quite so fast.. ). I want to put this on a on an 80M harddrive along with a ~10M /dos partition on the same disk, i plan on mounting a D drive for MSWindows as well. hmm 80 - 10 - 30 gives me 40M... can this be done? tnx! ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 22:45:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA18465 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdland.rhein-neckar.de (root@birdland.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.88.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18437; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bsd@localhost) by birdland.rhein-neckar.de (8.7.5/8.6.12) id HAA26212; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:44:37 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:44:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: BSD Mailinglisten-User To: questions@freebsd.org cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: tintin++ 1.5.6 - Port Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Recently I installed the port of the MUD-client tintin++. Unfortunately, one major feature (splitting the screen for in- and output) doesn't seem to work. Obviously the software uses termcap-features that aren't available for FreeBSD-consoles. Since I don't want to use my old Linux-box for mudding, is there anyone who solved this problem? Martin From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 22:54:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA19066 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19061 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #13307) id <01I4ZG3B04IO006S0I@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Tue, 21 May 1996 22:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 22:54:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: Boot Manager Problem To: dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <01I4ZG3B0NTE006S0I@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"freebsd-questions@freebsd.org",ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Doug, is it possible to reinstall BootEasy without reinstalling everything >> else? From the install disk (boot floppy) or stand/sysinstall? > >> This is what I think got trashed that was providing the info to the >> OS/2 boot manager-- >Yes. It's on the first CD in /tools (maybe /tools/dist) or on ftp.freebsd.org >in a similar location. >OS-BS is a different boot manager that is also available. Thanks--I managed to install OS-BS (from a bootable DOS floppy onto which I'd copied the files from the CD). The OS/2 boot manager never did find the FreeBSD partition on the second hard drive, but OS-BS did, so it's all working. Annelise >Doug White | University of Oregon From owner-freebsd-questions Tue May 21 23:59:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA22908 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 21 May 1996 23:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de [139.30.40.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22897 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 23:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lkoeller@localhost) by odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA25887; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:58:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:58:32 +0200 From: Lars Koeller Message-Id: <199605220658.IAA25887@odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\, ]_frt6eM' dated: Wed, 22 May 1996 00:14:45 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! > I have a HP Laserjet 4l and installed apsfilter and answered everything > correctly. Everything I print however is being printed like it's being > printed on 4 a4 pages - i.e. a2 > > I have checked, and it's set to a4. ANy ideas ? Really all, or only ascii output, this one is parsed through a2ps, and you can change the settings in /etc/apsfilterrc how mutch is printed on one page (Search for FEATURE). Regards Lars -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Lars Köller Phone: +49 381/498-1665, Fax: -1667 Universität Rostock E-Mail: Fachbereich Physik Lars_Koeller@odie.physik2.Uni-Rostock.DE Universitätsplatz 3 Anonymous ftp: 18051 Rostock (Germany) ftp://odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de/pub From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 00:19:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA24526 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 00:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24517 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 00:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id JAA17194 ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:18:52 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id JAA04768 ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:18:46 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.5/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA13184; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:36:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199605220636.IAA13184@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: CRON: it loves me To: dan@dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:36:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: edmond@UWYO.EDU, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Dan Busarow at "May 21, 96 06:08:40 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1983 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Dan Busarow said: > My root file in /var/cron/tabs works fine, and so does /etc/crontabs. > > I'm used to running crontab -e and it doesn't seem to hurt anything, even > if you are root. On 2.1R You're not supposed to have a cron file for "root" except for /etc/crontab... Or you have to be careful of what you put in either one. They do not have the same format. That's not to say you can't do it. It is just that it is not the preferred way. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #2: Fri May 10 21:09:14 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 00:36:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25521 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 00:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25516 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 00:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA15520; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:19:47 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199605220719.JAA15520@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: bridging To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:19:47 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: bruce@aiiad.com, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605220033.KAA29521@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 22, 96 10:03:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Bruce Goldberg stands accused of saying: > > > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a software bridge for netbeui and I don't know where to > > turn; can you help? > > > > Do you know if bsd, or any unix for that matter, can bridge, or where I > > can go for help? > > > > I may have to filter out pakets based on protocol, heavy decodes, or > > plain pattern matching. > > > > I'm interested in currently working, already ported packages. > > Go buy a decent router/bridge. People like 3com and Cisco make them, and > they're designed from the ground up to do what you want. on the indecent side, I have developed a ROMable version of PCBridge. The latest one compiles under FreeBSD using much of the netboot code, and is available from my home page as http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/bdg300.tgz It runs on a 386+, needs as little as 1MB RAM (can be easily modified to run in 256K, but what's the point?) and supports up to 5 boards (WD/NE clones; uses the ed driver). Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 01:11:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA27392 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (root@sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA27333 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by sili.adn.edu.ph (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA06500 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 17:58:50 +1000 Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 17:58:50 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: "Francis Percival C. Favoreal" To: freebsd-questions Subject: Missing /usr/ports subdirectories Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HI !!! I noticed that I don't have the /usr/ports subdirectories. I have read from a lot of e-mails that in there are contained the ports collection. I installed the 2.2-960501-SNAP distribution and I guess it was not there. Is there a way I could get the ports collection with manually FTP-ing each and every subdirs in the download site? Thank you `:') -- jf From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 01:31:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA28818 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ceres.brunel.ac.uk (pp@ceres.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.176.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA28809 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cimio.co.uk (actually cimio.cimio.co.uk) by ceres.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 May 1996 09:30:58 +0100 Received: by cimio.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23584; Wed, 22 May 96 09:28:21 BST From: martin@cimio.co.uk (Martin Miles) Message-Id: <9605220828.AA23584@cimio.co.uk> Subject: Dos partitions To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 22 May 96 9:28:20 BST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thank you for helping me with my BSD problem the other day. I now have an unrelated question which none of us here can answer: How do I change the ownership and/or the permissions of a DOS partition which is mounted under Free BSD ? Thanks again, Martin Miles. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 01:48:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA00360 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.siemens.at (proxy.siemens.at [192.138.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA00209; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (sol-f.gud.siemens-austria) by proxy.siemens.at with SMTP id AA20436 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Wed, 22 May 1996 10:46:43 +0200 Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uM9Z5-00020DC; Wed, 22 May 96 10:46 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA175464608; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:43:28 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199605220843.AA175464608@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:43:28 +0200 (MESZ) Cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.org, branson@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199605220126.SAA02769@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 21, 96 06:26:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "In his e-mail Terry Lambert wrote:" > > Not to mention, the fanatics will just fix whatever you point at > as bad in their product, or add whatever it is you say is good > in their opponents product, and then flame you for being out of > date. Were it not for the imminent flame at 11, the whole thing wouldn't even be half bad (i.e. the fix and import part of it :) /Marino From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 03:17:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA13217 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.nation-net.com (mailgate.nation-net.com [194.159.125.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA12881 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w14.winecellar.co.uk (194.159.125.14) by mailgate.nation-net.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Wed, 22 May 1996 11:16:16 +0000 Message-ID: <31A2E8FA.3AB3@nation-net.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:14:18 +0100 From: Paul Walsh Organization: Walsh Simmons X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Restricting User disk space Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a way to allocate a limited amount of disk space to users? Is there a web-site for intro to Unix admin in general!? Thanks, Paul Walsh. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 03:17:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA13293 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA13279 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA04314; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:00:38 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605221030.UAA04314@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Dos partitions To: martin@cimio.co.uk (Martin Miles) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:00:37 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9605220828.AA23584@cimio.co.uk> from "Martin Miles" at May 22, 96 09:28:20 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Martin Miles stands accused of saying: > > How do I change the ownership and/or the permissions of a DOS partition > which is mounted under Free BSD ? Ownership and permissions are inherited from the mountpoint, however DOS files marked readonly have the 'w' bit masked off. > Martin Miles. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 03:39:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA16035 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA16030 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 03:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr (mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr [134.157.72.87]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.7.5/jtpda-5.2) with SMTP id MAA01839 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:39:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (iaka) by mekong.biomath.jussieu.fr (5.67b/jn930126+af960507(mailhost)) at Wed, 22 May 1996 12:38:53 +0100 Received: by iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr (5.67b/jf930126) at Wed, 22 May 1996 12:38:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199605221138.AA17317@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:38:46 +0100 (GMT+0100) From: "Alain FAUCONNET" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I use both. I'm more familiar with Linux. > I'd pose the following decisions on your tree: > > Robust high speed TCP/IP: FreeBSD +5, Linux -10 > High performance for local applicatons: Linux +5, FreeBSD -2 > Diversity of Applications: Linux +10, FreeBSD +5 > Integration of Applications with OS: Linux -15, FreeBSD +10 > > Others? I use both too (actually I'm a newcomer to FreeBSD, I've been using Linux for a long time, as well as many different flavors of Unices on workstations and servers). Here is my very subjective (of course) contribution: * Integration with the DOS/Win world: Linux +10, FreeBSD -10 * Integration with the Unix world: Linux -10, FreeBSD +10 * Availability of pre-compiled binaries and ports for non-commercial software: Linux +10, FreeBSD 0 * Availability of commercial software: Linux +10, FreeBSD -5 * Organization of releases, ease of upgrade: Linux -5, FreeBSD +10 * Size of the "supporting, using and contributing masses": Linux +10, FreeBSD 0 My laptop (mostly stand-alone, some FTP, telnet generally through PPP) runs Linux and I probably will stick to it. My main desktop work machine (tightly integrated into our network, heavy use of NFS) runs FreeBSD now, and I'm much happier than with Linux. For what it's worth, _Alain_ -- Alain FAUCONNET Ingenieur systeme - System Manager AP-HP/SIM Public Health 91 bld de l'Hopital 75013 PARIS FRANCE Medical Computing Research Labs Mail: af@biomath.jussieu.fr Tel: (+33) 1-40-77-96-19 Fax: (+33) 1-45-86-80-68 I've RTFMed. It says: "Refer to your system administrator" But... I *am* the system administrator :-] From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 04:19:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA19578 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [204.97.248.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19573 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buxton-6.ime.net (buxton-6.ime.net [206.231.149.15]) by ime.net (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA15110 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31A2F83E.1205@mainelink.net> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:19:26 -0400 From: Gary Chrysler Organization: The Computer Guy X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux References: <8507.832715438@palmer.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer wrote: > >> Branson Matheson wrote in message ID >> <199605211831.OAA23964@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov>: >> Humorous answers aside ;-) would it not be a good thing to put a >> comprehensive answer in the FAQ off of the web page? I think that it >> will solve lots repeated questions like " Linux vs. FreeBSD " and " I >> have blah foobar card.. will it run? ". >> >> Mabey even a more direct route? > > This was recently discussed on the freebsd-doc mailing list (should be > available in the archives ... my mail to the list was sent on friday > or saturday). Since the FAQ is an official document of the FreeBSD > Project, myself and others feel it would not be wise to make such > comparisons in an official publication of the Project. (If you look in > the archive, I gave detailed reasons, but basically is that if we make > such a comparison, someone, somewhere will take offense at it and > start slagging us off. There is no such thing as a fair, unbiased, > treatment of this area, which is often considered a nearly religous > issue, and treated with much fanatacism by some). > For what it's worth, I agree! > So basically, it won't hit OUR web pages, but I am not ruling out > putting a pointer to someone else comparisons, with a suitable note > that, being a 3rd party document, we cannot be held responsible or > accountable for the contents (type of thing. I'm tired at the minute > and can't think of the right way of phrasing this) That'ed work. Gary ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Improve America's Knowledge... Share yours The Borg... Where minds meet (207) 929-3848 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 04:21:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA19779 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hq.hq.af.mil (hq.hq.af.mil [134.205.123.148]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19769 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pubspo.hq.af.mil (pubspo.hq.af.mil [134.205.165.49]) by hq.hq.af.mil (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25831 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pubspo.hq.af.mil with Microsoft Mail id <31A323B6@pubspo.hq.af.mil>; Wed, 22 May 96 07:24:54 PDT From: "Gregory, Scott D. SRA SAF/AADO" To: questions Subject: Help With Scripts Date: Wed, 22 May 96 07:19:00 PDT Message-ID: <31A323B6@pubspo.hq.af.mil> Encoding: 82 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm trying to write a script to create HTML pages from a text file (output from a database). I'm new to FreeBSD (2.1) and UNIX and I can't find the appropriate books at the library. My text file is delimited by '@' and has 7 fields (see below). I would like to convert this into a HTML table. An example of how I would like my output is below. The example shows what fields I would like and where they should be placed. I would like to separate the pages by the 100 (00-99 (saved to filename af0000-0099.html, af0100-0199.html, etc.) (field 1--AF000, AF001, AF002, etc.), however, the directory location of the file is by the 1000 (which is why I need to extract characters 1,2 and 4 from the 1st field. I'm not currently subscribed to questions, so please email me directly at sgregory@pubspo.hq.af.mil or sgregory@ameritel.net. Thanks in advance for your assistance. C-ya Scott SAMPLE TEXT FILE: AF00003@OC86@af0003.frl@Hazard@1@9130@AF1-301 AF00008@MA85@af0008.frl@Certificate@3@1100@A1-401 AF00049@AP95@af0049.frl@Application@1@3620@A36-2619 AF00053@FB88@af0053.frl@Blotter@1@3120@AF1-201 AF00078@JA91@af0078.frl@Recommendation@1@3600@A36-9 AF00081@MA81@af0081.frl@Description@1@3810@A38-201 AF00108@JA91@af0108.frl@Processing@2@4000@A40502 AF00115A@AU52@af0115a.frl@Numbers@1@2300@AM6-1 AF00116@SE80@af0116.frl@Criteria@1@3110@A31-101V1 AF00126@OC69@af0126.frl@Log@1@1020@A10-215 AF00130@DE95@af0130.frl@Symbol@1@3740@AI7-124 AF00143@SE82@af0143.frl@Page@1@3120@AF1-401 AF00191@JL95@af0191.frl@Request@1@2320@AFM-1V1 AF00230@NO82@af0230.frl@Transfer@1@4120@AF1-210 AF00233@FB96@af0233.frl@Contract@1@3620@AF6-2107 AF00235D@NO86@af0235d.frl@Supplement@2@4000@AFM8-695V1 AF00242@JN90@af0242.frl@Staff@1@5100@AFR11-1 AF00259@AU95@af0259.frl@Worksheet@1@3620@AF36--3212 AF00304@JN95@af0304.frl@Counsel@1@5110@AF51-201 AF00310@NO95@af0310.frl@Document@1@3120@AF31-401 AF00321@AU71@af0321.frl@Record@2@3150@AF1-202 AF00332@JA91@af0332p1.frl@Work Request@1@3600@AFR30-20 AF00340@MA95@af0340.frl@Data@1@3110@AF31-101V1 SAMPLE OUTPUT: Electronic Foo

Electronic Foo

...............etc., etc.
Short Title Date Title and Version Code Publication
'field 1' 'field 2' 'field 4', Ver 'field 5' 'field 6' 'field 7'
From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 04:29:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA20077 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.conline.com (root@l2.conline.com [204.96.7.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA20068 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dal1-2.conline.com (dal1-2.conline.com [204.96.7.2]) by mail.conline.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA24026; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:32:33 -0500 Received: by dal1-2.conline.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB47A6.B2D3F880@dal1-2.conline.com>; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:19:57 -0500 Message-ID: <01BB47A6.B2D3F880@dal1-2.conline.com> From: Thomas Shaw To: "'Paul Walsh'" , "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: Restricting User disk space Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 06:18:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes there is a way to limit the diskspace allocated to each user. You will need to recompile the kernel to use disk quotas. The FreeBSD handbook documents this fairly well. To answer your second question, I would recommend a good book. I don't think there are any WWW pages that teach you UNIX system administration. The FreeBSD handbook is the closest thing to that. ---------- From: Paul Walsh[SMTP:paul@nation-net.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 1996 5:14 AM To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Restricting User disk space Is there a way to allocate a limited amount of disk space to users? Is there a web-site for intro to Unix admin in general!? Thanks, Paul Walsh. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 04:30:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA20152 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper119223.iafrica.com [196.7.119.223]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA20142 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA01801; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:27:26 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199605221127.NAA01801@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: Dos partitions To: martin@cimio.co.uk (Martin Miles) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:27:25 +0200 (SAT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, rnordier@mail.saix.net In-Reply-To: <9605220828.AA23584@cimio.co.uk> from "Martin Miles" at May 22, 96 09:28:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Martin Miles wrote: > How do I change the ownership and/or the permissions of a DOS partition > which is mounted under Free BSD ? You can specify these when mounting the partition with mount_msdos(8): mount_msdos [-u uid] [-g gid] [-m mask] special node If you have in mind changing these while the partition is mounted: chown(8) has a limited effect (on the DOS 'read-only' flag) at a file level chmod 777 /dos/config.sys -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 338 May 14 06:51 config.sys chmod 000 /dos/config.sys -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 338 May 14 06:51 config.sys -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 04:36:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA20468 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA20461 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA02556 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:39:07 GMT Received: from buffnet7.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa13568; 22 May 96 7:37 EDT Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Hovey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ingres Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does any one who where a port of ingres for freebsd can be found? Im having a heck of a wrestling match trying to get it to compile. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 04:44:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA20824 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from teil.soft.net (tata_elxsi.soft.net [164.164.10.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA20761 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 04:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by teil.soft.net via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI.JF) for questions@FreeBSD.org id AA05754; Wed, 22 May 96 17:13:29 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:13:27 -0800 (PST) From: "K.V.S. Sankaram" To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Complaint Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sir, Whenever I try to download the compiled kernel code(in the compressed format, bin.tar.gz) from your ftp site, the remote server is closing connection after sometime. I have tried atleast 10 times in the last two days but could not download it completely. Is there any other way of getting the kernel code from the network in a much faster way. We have a dedicated 64kbps line connecting our office to the Internet. Please send a reply/suggestion to this as early as possible. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 05:08:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22187 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper119237.iafrica.com [196.7.119.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22171 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00385; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:06:54 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199605221206.OAA00385@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: Restricting User disk space To: paul@nation-net.com (Paul Walsh) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:06:53 +0200 (SAT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, rnordier@mail.saix.net In-Reply-To: <31A2E8FA.3AB3@nation-net.com> from "Paul Walsh" at May 22, 96 11:14:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Paul Walsh wrote: > > Is there a way to allocate a limited amount of disk space to users? Yes: quotas. Do an 'apropos quota' for the relevant manpages. > Is there a web-site for intro to Unix admin in general!? You could try UNIX Guru Universe http://www.ugu.com/ Or, better still, see http://www.admin.com/ and buy the book (Nemeth et al, ``UNIX System Administration Handbook'', second edition). -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 05:19:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22898 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (longstreet.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.25.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22889; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from branson@localhost) by longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) id IAA28170; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:22:14 -0400 From: Branson Matheson Message-Id: <199605221222.IAA28170@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Questions) In-Reply-To: <8507.832715438@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at May 21, 96 10:50:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > available in the archives ... my mail to the list was sent on friday > or saturday). Since the FAQ is an official document of the FreeBSD > Project, myself and others feel it would not be wise to make such > comparisons in an official publication of the Project. (If you look in > the archive, I gave detailed reasons, but basically is that if we make > such a comparison, someone, somewhere will take offense at it and > start slagging us off. There is no such thing as a fair, unbiased, > treatment of this area, which is often considered a nearly religous > issue, and treated with much fanatacism by some). Hrm... how about this... since the web wite is donated by WC anyways... why not use the writeup that is in the catalog? We could put in BIG letters that this is the opnion of WC and not the FreeBSD camp ( although I am not sure who wrote the original ). > > Mabey even a more direct route? And re: A more direct route... I was thinking that having sub links under "The FreeBSD Documentation Project" with FAQ and/or handbook may make it easier for the average layman to find when surfing ( and then posting using the mailto: ) so that they can find their own answers to their questions. The Number of repeated questions lately has just about tripled... including and not limited to : BSD vs. Linux ( a favorite )? Is SMP ( Dual Processors ) supported? Will FreeBSD run on my new octium machine with 14 MB... etc. etc.. etc... etc.... So the focus of this thread is " Is there a way to better inform visitors to the Home Pages so that they might find the answers without posting to the questions list? " ( biggie .. ain't it ;-) -branson -branson -- ======================================================================== branson matheson | branson@widomaker.com Ferguson SysAdmin | http://widomaker.com/~branson From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 05:46:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA23790 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaia.gol.com (gaia.gol.com [202.243.48.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23785 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (joe@localhost) by gaia.gol.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) id VAA00241; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:46:26 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:46:26 +0900 (JST) From: Joe Kelly Subject: FreeBSD with a Japanese Keyboard. To: questions@freefall.freebsd.org Cc: joe@gol.com Message-Id: Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've just bought a laptop and I'm wondering how to get it to recognise a japanese keyboard instead of a standard US layout. Can some of the Japanese readers of this list point me in the right direction. All hints greatly appreciated. If possible I don't want to have to run a kterm (just yet). Thanks in advance & Best Regards. Joe Kelly. ______________________________________________________________________ Global OnLine Japan. Dial-Up, Leased-Line, ISDN, Web Services & More. URL: Email Tel: +81-3-5330-9383, Fax: +81-3-5330-9320 ______________________________________________________________________ "To me clowns aren't funny, in fact they're kinda scary. I've wondered where this started and I think it goes back to the time I went to the circus and a clown killed my dad." - Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 05:49:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA23973 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.EUnet.hu (mail.eunet.hu [193.225.28.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23963 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.EUnet.hu, id OAA10585; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:48:31 +0200 Received: by CoDe.CoDe.hu (LAA01574); Wed, 22 May 1996 11:33:16 GMT From: Gabor Zahemszky Message-Id: <199605221133.LAA01574@CoDe.CoDe.hu> Subject: S_ISFIFO === S_ISSOCK To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:33:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I've found, that in 2.1.0R (from WC CD), in /usr/include/sys/stat.h, the macros S_ISFIFO and S_ISSOCK are generate the same (as it says in the comment). It's not so good, eg. the tar and cpio (from the distribution, they are the GNU version), both cannot save a socket. Perfectly, they can save, but save as a pipe. I tried it in some Unices, and all of them (if they have this type of file), make a difference between them. So, what's the reason, that macro defined such a non-standard (means, unusable) way. (I have to dig into the source of tar/cpio, to find it out, why are they say a saved socket, that's a pipe. - Yes, I know, that saving a pipe, or saving a socket is not a very good practice, but saving them is only one of the problems.) Eg, if I would like to write a `ls', that code doesn't work: if ( S_ISFIFO( f ) ) { printf( "fifo" ); } else if (S_ISSOCK( f ) ) { printf( "socket" ); } ... Of course, it always says, that's a pipe, and never says, socket. -- Gabor Zahemszky -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- Earth is the cradle of human sense, but you can't stay in the cradle forever. Tsiolkovsky From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 05:49:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA24003 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.EUnet.hu (mail.eunet.hu [193.225.28.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23962 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.EUnet.hu, id OAA10588; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:48:32 +0200 Received: by CoDe.CoDe.hu (LAA01600); Wed, 22 May 1996 11:36:17 GMT From: Gabor Zahemszky Message-Id: <199605221136.LAA01600@CoDe.CoDe.hu> Subject: pax cannot save socket To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:36:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The documentation of pax says, the default archive type is ustar (the POSIX tar format). The same is true with GNU's tar, too. But: pax generates a warning about in POSIX mode, cannot save a socket. And `file' says: tar archive, but with GNU-tar, says: POSIX tar archive. ???? -- Gabor Zahemszky -:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:- Earth is the cradle of human sense, but you can't stay in the cradle forever. Tsiolkovsky From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 05:56:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA24477 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (h196-7-192-139.iafrica.com [196.7.192.139]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA24470 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 05:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00665; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:54:14 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199605221254.OAA00665@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: Dos partitions To: martin@cimio.co.uk (Martin Miles) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:54:13 +0200 (SAT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, rnordier@mail.saix.net In-Reply-To: <199605221127.NAA01801@eac.iafrica.com> from "Robert Nordier" at May 22, 96 01:27:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robert Nordier wrote: > If you have in mind changing these while the partition is mounted: > chown(8) has a limited effect (on the DOS 'read-only' flag) at a ^^^^^^^^ > file level Oops. Make that 'chmod(1)' of course. -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 06:23:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25886 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dev01.interactive.com (pppA226.micronet.fr [193.149.100.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25880 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by dev01.interactive.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA01310 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:23:55 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: fmtel@micronet.fr Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:17:28 From: fmtel@micronet.fr To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Ethernet controler DC21040 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am getting some problems to use a chip ethernet DC21040 which is on-board on a DEC Server Prioris LX. It is well recognized at boot, but I can't succeed in accessing the network. When I replace it by an NE2000 everything is fine, then the network must be correct. Is there something specific to know ? What's the meaning of "link2" flag ? Tanks in advance for any support Best regards, Jean-Marc BOTTURA - EXPERINFO ---------------------------------- E-Mail: fmtel@micronet.fr Date: 05/22/96 Time: 15:17:28 ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 06:41:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA27009 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27004 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA15219; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605221341.GAA15219@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "K.V.S. Sankaram" cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 17:13:27 -0800." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 06:41:19 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Whenever I try to download the compiled kernel code(in the compressed >format, bin.tar.gz) from your ftp site, the remote server is closing connection >after sometime. I have tried atleast 10 times in the last two days but could >not download it completely. Is there any other way of getting the kernel code >from the network in a much faster way. We have a dedicated 64kbps line >connecting our office to the Internet. You could try one of the mirrors. Your path to wcarchive goes through the MCI Bay Area mess; there's nothing we can do about this. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 06:45:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA27269 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27264 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA15237; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605221345.GAA15237@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "K.V.S. Sankaram" cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Complaint In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 17:13:27 -0800." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 06:45:10 -0700 Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Whenever I try to download the compiled kernel code(in the compressed >format, bin.tar.gz) from your ftp site, the remote server is closing connection Another suggestion... The files in the bin/ directory are already compressed. Why don't you just get them individually (using mget with a wildcard)? If it fails you'll at least be able to start where you previously left off. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 06:49:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA27512 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA27507 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA12261; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:49:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:49:24 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199605221349.HAA12261@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: JoongSub Lee (kornet) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCMCIA sound card on the FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199605212332.IAA06206@soback.kornet.nm.kr> References: <199605212332.IAA06206@soback.kornet.nm.kr> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a IBM PCMCIA 3D sound card. There is no driver for PCMCIA > sound card. Right? Right. > When I used Linux, I heard it was possible to use > this card via warm-boot. Is it possible to do that on the FreeBSD? Not at this time. Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 06:52:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA27651 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from roper.uwyo.edu (roper.uwyo.edu [129.72.60.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27646 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.uwyo.edu (plains.uwyo.edu) by ROPER.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #14244) id <01I4ZYZ8GI74001CQQ@ROPER.UWYO.EDU> for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from PLAINS.UWYO.EDU by PLAINS.UWYO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-6 #14244) id <01I4ZYZ8W8Z4001E21@PLAINS.UWYO.EDU> for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:51:38 -0600 (MDT) From: "Andrew N. Edmond" Subject: newsfeed? To: questions@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have just setup a 64k Frame Relay connection with service provider that is letting my users have read permissions off their newsserver. I have the domain name (news.wyoming.com) and the port number (191) but am clueless on where to put these settings so shell users using tin can read all 20,000 newsgroups (without be having to download them all!) off of news.wyoming.com. Help would be MUCH appreciated! Andy ............................................................................. . Andrew Edmond . Children of a future age, . .. edmond@plains.uwyo.edu ... Reading this indignant page, .. ... University of Wyoming ..... Know that in a former time, ... .... Botany Department ....... A path to God was thought a crime. .... .....................VISIONARY PLANTS LIST................................... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzEWhNYAAAEEAN9Q4ABprWSGDKaY8OtrfFFcF6u5E6ua2ZNKgpJJcwU7rDHk nRRoDtvtovgO1yH5O9JvTgSgtxEWpnfLpl9N616jC77b+4C5dyZS+hIBUiCA4bwy hf2Hu3Z7QJasxEBVEdxAbvuUfuBDrsxBJ6SCw4ukAX66wa9RCO0m53dhSnKVAAUR tClBbmRyZXcgTi4gRWRtb25kIDxlZG1vbmRAcGxhaW5zLnV3eW8uZWR1PokAlAMF EDEWh3LtJud3YUpylQEBZVcD926EzvXLmL7hfeM/LNtgWah67m/g+lR87IxulcJ+ 4peUHUKUgBTglIzlSPURTHpEDQKc3wF2o1ezSdzcFjkdQex8wGZYMsCf6waREX2p s5LB7FdTGF4aciCfvQX5shptoLljCd3UPF56BQTS0raqh+WlFjV3w5wRX4ZfJSCR 4Io= =PqOx -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 07:46:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA01117 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01107 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16784; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:46:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:46:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Alain FAUCONNET cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux In-Reply-To: <199605221138.AA17317@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Alain FAUCONNET wrote: > Here is my very subjective (of course) contribution: Of course. :) > * Integration with the DOS/Win world: Linux +10, FreeBSD -10 This isn't a FreeBSD vs. Linux comparison. This really depends on your DOS/Windows machines. pcnfsd and samba run on both systems. Mounting NT/95 shares and Netware volumes is a different story, but you didn't mention those. > * Integration with the Unix world: Linux -10, FreeBSD +10 Again, this isn't a Linux vs. FreeBSD issue. I would say that out of the box, FreeBSD has a slight advantage, but Linux can be just as capable. > * Availability of pre-compiled binaries and ports for non-commercial software: > Linux +10, FreeBSD 0 Nope, FreeBSD kicks ass here. Compared to ALL Linux distributions, FreeBSD may come out lower, but I'm pretty sure that FreeBSD vs. any single Linux distribution we have more. (Satoshi, commit my pine port.:) > * Availability of commercial software: Linux +10, FreeBSD -5 Native? Most of the FreeBSD stuff says 'BSDI' but considering that Linux covers pretty large ground from distribution to distribution I think we can count BSDI as 'native'. We've got Linux binary compatibility, so that narrows the gap a bit more. > * Organization of releases, ease of upgrade: Linux -5, FreeBSD +10 I don't see how Linus does it. > * Size of the "supporting, using and contributing masses": Linux +10, > FreeBSD 0 You've the same chance in getting something included in any random Linux dist as you do with FreeBSD. Slapping a .lsm in a tar.gz and saying you've contributed to Linux isn't saying much. I'm sure both groups are willing to incorporate contributed stuff it it makes sense. Lower standards != more open. > My laptop (mostly stand-alone, some FTP, telnet generally through PPP) > runs Linux and I probably will stick to it. My main desktop work > machine (tightly integrated into our network, heavy use of NFS) runs > FreeBSD now, and I'm much happier than with Linux. I don't think I would have a problem using Linux if the situation and application made sense to do so, but I have yet to run into one of those. I've got a friend thats running news on a Linux box and will probably break into top 50 in the Frenix1000 this month. Could FreeBSD do the same thing? Yes. Should he be running FreeBSD? Nope, he's better off sticking with what he's got. He has enough to worry about without having to retweak his OS and inn. Personally, my goal is to get as many funky and diverse operating systems and machines as I can. I've got SunOS, FreeBSD, and NetBSD so far. I'm working on getting a 2 machine VMS cluster working. Of course, for the real job, I'm going to use whatever OS is best for the job. (Hopefully I won't fall victem to this `all the world's a nail` line of thinking.) Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 08:10:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA02499 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulantris.infinop.com (root@ulantris.infinop.com [205.230.144.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02494 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by ulantris.infinop.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA10892; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:09:02 -0500 From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199605221509.KAA10892@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: Re: auth and port 113 To: s_koyin@eduserv.its.unimelb.EDU.AU (HMG coA reductase) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:09:01 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "HMG coA reductase" at May 22, 96 12:53:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > i'd like to know what exactly is this "auth" thing that resides on port > 113. Who uses it? What can it do? What good is it? It's for authenticating people. The way it works is a remote machine sends some information along with the telnet port that the local machine is connected from and the remote machine returns some information some of which contains the e-mail address of the person from the local machine that is accessing the remote machine. (look at RFC 931 for an in depth description). > and if a DOS-based telnet client doesn't recognise this auth thing, why > does it take 10 seconds before the login: prompt appears? You've got a slow name server maybe?..and the dos clients name is being resolved during that time? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 08:20:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03134 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windsurf.ops.aol.com (windsurf.ops.aol.com [152.163.61.79]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03129 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [152.163.66.47] by windsurf.ops.aol.com with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA16862; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:24:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960522152342.00669058@mailhost.infi.net> X-Sender: ron@mailhost.infi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:23:42 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org From: Ron Steele Subject: Raid support Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What is the current state of support for raid controler's? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 08:26:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03564 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03555 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA08873; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:26:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:26:06 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9605221526.AA08873@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: HMG coA reductase Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: auth and port 113 In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > i'd like to know what exactly is this "auth" thing that resides on port > 113. Who uses it? What can it do? What good is it? You'll get lots of conflicting answers, which are all 99.94% opinion. My personal opinion: it's worthless; don't waste your time on it. > and if a DOS-based telnet client doesn't recognise this auth thing, why > does it take 10 seconds before the login: prompt appears? It's doing a host lookup. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 08:40:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA04556 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hellcat.umd.edu (hellcat.umd.edu [129.2.70.125]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04520 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by hellcat.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01091; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.6.4) id LAA02065; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@cappuccino.eng.umd.edu To: "Gregory, Scott D. SRA SAF/AADO" cc: questions Subject: Re: Help With Scripts In-Reply-To: <31A323B6@pubspo.hq.af.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Gregory, Scott D. SRA SAF/AADO wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm trying to write a script to create HTML pages from a text file (output > from a database). I'm new to FreeBSD (2.1) and UNIX and I can't find the > appropriate books at the library. > > My text file is delimited by '@' and has 7 fields (see below). I would like > to convert this into a HTML table. An example of how I would like my output > is below. The example shows what fields I would like and where they should > be placed. I would like to separate the pages by the 100 (00-99 (saved to > filename af0000-0099.html, af0100-0199.html, etc.) (field 1--AF000, AF001, > AF002, etc.), however, the directory location of the file is by the 1000 > (which is why I need to extract characters 1,2 and 4 from the 1st field. > > I'm not currently subscribed to questions, so please email me directly at > sgregory@pubspo.hq.af.mil or sgregory@ameritel.net. Thanks in advance for > your assistance. The appropriate tool would either be perl or awk. Reasonably easy to do. I don't know perl (others may jump in here on that) but in awk, you'd use the FS (field separator variable), set it to "@", then just use a BEGIN clause (to set up FS, and print the front matter), a default clause (to print each record, in any format that suits you), then an END clause to print the end matter. O'Reilly has a good book on Awk, "sed & awk", but Dale Dougherty. I'd recommend it. Awk's a very good tool to learn to use. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 08:43:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA04799 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA04792; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA06827; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:43:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:43:02 -0400 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199605221543.LAA06827@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: APC Powerchute Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone tried run APC's SCO powerchute application under SCO emulation. I've got a copy somewhere I can dig up. If no one's tried it, I'll give it a try. -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 09:07:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05983 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lausd.k12.ca.us (lausd.k12.ca.us [192.215.166.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05978 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lausd.k12.ca.us (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27892; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:08:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Les Higger To: Doug White Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: apachie In-Reply-To: <199605220323.UAA01904@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I figured it out.... i was logged in to apachie and not the # once I shutdown the server I could see everything.. is there a scheme for drawing a tree like vtree.com in dos.. ? I am still looking for help on a token ring driver.. I ve never written one but will try some people at calstate or USC.. I am having fun learning. I tried to check out your camera but it didn't respond.. oh well I figure one day bravo might put one up.. we have a great view of la... when there's no smog.. ha *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++* * Les Higger Student Information Systems * Local Area Network Coord. * lhigger@lausd.k12.ca.us * Francisco Bravo Medical Magnet High School * Los Angeles Unified School District ---> Old men can give flawless advice, for they nolonger can set bad examples <--- On Tue, 21 May 1996, Doug White wrote: > -------- > > where might I find docs on how to use apachie. > > The primary site is http://www.apache.org. Some of the supplementary > documentation (especially the config files) is on hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu. > Apache is modelled after the NCSA httpd and inherits its config file format. > > > > and why when I ls do i not see all directories. > > Which directories? > > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > > From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 09:30:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08164 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netvision.net.il (mail.NetVision.net.il [194.90.1.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08156 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from telgate.telrad.co.il (telgate.telrad.co.il [194.90.21.130]) by mail.netvision.net.il (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA19645; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:26:17 +0300 (IDT) Received: from elex.co.il (tlhuph12.elex.co.il) by telgate.telrad.co.il (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14346; Wed, 22 May 96 19:26:31 IDT Received: from cpm.elex.co.il (tcpmma01.elex.co.il) by elex.co.il with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA046882296; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:24:56 +0300 Received: from tlcpmh34.elex.co.il by cpm.elex.co.il with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA299672348; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:25:49 +0300 Received: by tlcpmh34.elex.co.il ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/15.6) id AA076842348; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:25:48 +0300 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:25:47 +0300 (IDT) From: Edward Beili X-Sender: edward@tlcpmh34.elex.co.il To: Terry Lambert Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0beta and Java in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry, I tried your suggestions (mkfontdir and removed all environment variables that even closely resembled "*C*") - it didn't help. I tried to link moz3_0.zip and classes.zip to the current dir and did: setenv CLASSPATH '.:moz3_0.zip:classes.zip' netscape -java sun.tools.javac.Main Test.java Now the stupid thing crashed with Segmentation fault. What else could be wrong? Thanks, -Edward On Mon, 20 May 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: >On Mon, 20 May 1996, Edward Beili wrote: > >> Hi, >> Last night I tried the latest Netscape 3.0 beta on FreeBSD 2.1R >> (486DX33 with 8Mb of RAM). It didn't run Java applets >> even though Netscape says it should. More over when I attempted >> to use its built-in Java compiler >> (netscape -java sun.tools.javac.Main Test.java) >> it crashed with "Memory fault" error. I suspect it wants more memory... >> Did anybody have a better experience? For that matter what is the status >> of JDK for FreeBSD? >> >> Regards, >> -Edward >> > Here is one fix (as root): > cd /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc > /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir > > There is also an environment variable (with a "C" in it if I remember) > that you should *unset* for JAVA to work. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 09:31:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08204 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (main.statsci.com [198.145.127.110]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08199 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from statsci.com by main.statsci.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0uMGmg-0005zxC; Wed, 22 May 96 09:29 PDT Message-Id: To: Jim Dennis cc: root@bonsai.its.utas.edu.au, FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading References: <199605210313.UAA06708@mistery.mcafee.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 20:13:54 -0700." <199605210313.UAA06708@mistery.mcafee.com> Reply-to: scott@statsci.com Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:29:13 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Dennis wrote: > SLiRP: (a Linux user/level IP emulator) SLiRP doesn't really have anything to do with Linux (aside from it's being a Unix box that the software can run on). Actually, I think its code is based on the BSD networking source code. I currently use it on my work systems (Suns are what our modems are hooked up to at the moment) to give a PPP connection from home. The basic overview is that my home systems are setup as private network (10.x.x.x) IP addresses. By default, my home system is 10.0.2.3 and it presents a 10.x.x.x address that I can use at home that gets mapped my work DNS server, another address that gets mapped to a SLiRP control port (I can telnet to it). At any rate, this doesn't require any special knowledge on my home FreeBSD system (aside from a PPP chat script that does login:, password:, then passes a "exec slirp" command and general IP address config stuff). As far as the Internet is concerned I'm coming from one of my work systems (my home system isn't _really_ on The Net)...works fine for most stuff I care about as an occasional network client. It can even do some port redirection (so I can set my $DISPLAY to ":5" or whatever on the work system and it gets mapped to my home X11 display). I think there's some stuff to let you allow for access to telnetd and ftpd on my home system from work system(s), but I neither need nor use that stuff. I've posted my config files and description of the setup to this mailing list (or possibly some other freebsd-*@freebsd.org list), so looking for my last name in the archives would probably turn up something if you're interested. -- Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 09:49:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09452 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulantris.infinop.com (root@ulantris.infinop.com [205.230.144.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09447 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by ulantris.infinop.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA13843 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:47:42 -0500 From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199605221647.LAA13843@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: sup To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:47:42 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've asked this before (and I probably should store this somewhere). But where to I need to begin to use -stable? Should I get 2.1R then start sup? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 10:20:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11572 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11567 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA04333; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:23:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199605221723.KAA04333@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: "Francis Percival C. Favoreal" cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Missing /usr/ports subdirectories In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 17:58:50 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:23:35 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- > > HI !!! > > I noticed that I don't have the /usr/ports subdirectories. I have > read from a lot of e-mails that in there are contained the ports > collection. I installed the 2.2-960501-SNAP distribution and I guess it > was not there. Is there a way I could get the ports collection with > manually FTP-ing each and every subdirs in the download site? Yes, just download the port(s) you want. You don't need the whole collection. Use the tar.gz feature of wu-ftpd to bundle up the directory for you. For example, say I want to pull the top port. I ftp to 'ftp.freebsd.org', cd /pub/FreeBSD/ports/sysutils, and get 'top.tar.gz'. I will end up with an archive. I logout and tar xzf top.tar.gz. Viola, I have the port. Now cd to top and make. THat's it. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 10:21:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11686 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11677 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cedb (cedb.DPCSYS.COM [165.90.143.3]) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.6.10/DPC-1.0) with SMTP id RAA10506; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:19:55 GMT Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:19:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow X-Sender: dan@cedb To: Ollivier Robert cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CRON: it loves me In-Reply-To: <199605220636.IAA13184@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > You're not supposed to have a cron file for "root" except for > /etc/crontab... Or you have to be careful of what you put in either > one. They do not have the same format. > > That's not to say you can't do it. It is just that it is not the preferred > way. Since I've been running BSD for less than a year (with around 10 years SYSV experience) I'm hardly an expert on the "right" or preferred way. But... If I only had the man pages to go on (and that's pretty much the case) I'd have to conclude that /etc/crontab is an artifact and probably deprecated. /etc/crontab gets a passing mention in cron(8) where it simply says that it has a different format. Every other man page refers to crontab(1) and the /var/cron/tabs scheme. If there really is a reason for root to use /etc/crontab vs. crontab(1) I think it should be documented somewhere. And I'd like to hear what the reasons are even if they never get formally documented. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems Dana Point, California From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 10:34:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12451 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ceres.brunel.ac.uk (pp@ceres.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.176.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12443 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk by ceres.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 May 1996 18:32:26 +0100 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id HAA09386; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:17:38 +0100 (BST) To: Dan Busarow cc: Ollivier Robert , "Andrew N. Edmond" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gary Palmer Subject: Re: CRON: it loves me In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 18:08:40 PDT." Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:17:38 +0100 Message-ID: <9384.832745858@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dan Busarow wrote in message ID : > On Tue, 21 May 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > Look into /var/cron/crontabs. If you have a file named root, "rm" it. The > > root crontab is only in /etc/crontab. > > My root file in /var/cron/tabs works fine, and so does /etc/crontabs. > > I'm used to running crontab -e and it doesn't seem to hurt anything, even > if you are root. On 2.1R Yes, but the original posters problem was that he used crontab -e and then loaded in /etc/crontab to it ... /etc/crontab is a different format, and should not go into /var/cron/tabs Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 10:36:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12600 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12592 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA04546; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:39:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199605221739.KAA04546@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Joe McGuckin cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is Token Ring supported? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:19 PDT." <199605220042.RAA01465@ns.via.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:39:00 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- > We need to set up a DHCP server at work - but it needs to support > token ring. > > If FreeBSD doesn't support TR, I guess we'll be forced to use BSDi or > even NT. Not yet. I thought someone was working on it. [plug mode] Look at OS/2. You'd get the best support for your token ring (IBM, right?) and a rock solid networking and base OS with it. It was announced that they would be selling a DHCP/DDNS package. I don't have details tho. [plug mode off] Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 10:44:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13139 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isgate.is (isgate.is [193.4.58.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13132 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 10:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hummer.islandia.is by isgate.is (8.7.5-M/ISnet/14-10-91); Wed, 22 May 1996 17:44:45 GMT Received: from caliber.islandia.is by hummer.islandia.is (8.6.12/ISnet/12-09-94); Wed, 22 May 1996 17:27:45 GMT Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:27:45 GMT Message-Id: <199605221727.RAA14799@hummer.islandia.is> X-Sender: gestur@islandia.is (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: questions@freebsd.org From: gestur@islandia.is (Gestur A Grjetarsson) Subject: linux overriding Default Gateway Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello everyone, I'm running my 2.1 rel. now, have been in the past 40 days now, the system has been smooth and stable on my p5/133, 65Mb RAM, 4.3 Gig Scsi on AHA2940, the resoun for this letter is because on one system here we run Linux PRE-206, and have been for a brief time now, two days ago we had an error on our system here wich was that we couldn't ping our 2nd DNS server, or should I say backbone to our system domain wich is (isgate.is) ,, our domain is of course (islandia.is) well, when we were trying to see what happened to the system we saw one fault had occured, and it was that way that the linux system had somehow overrided our DNS server and made it'self the Default Gateway,, here below is a summary of netstat, where I show how it should look appropriate where the Default Gateway is 194.144.233.254 default isnet-gw UGSc 70 27727 ep0 but the changes/error wich we found was that the when the linux system is/was started, it took over default gateway: default bonus.is I don't know why this happened, and would like to know if someone else out there has had same problems, and if there is known routing error on FreeBSD or the linux os wich we can fix ? here is the netstat wich we consider, status ok: ~# netstat -r Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default isnet-gw UGSc 70 27727 ep0 localhost localhost UH 0 773 lo0 194.144.233 link#1 UC 1 0 hummer 0:20:af:cf:67:b8 UHLW 3 11997 lo0 hlunkur 0:80:ad:6:3e:80 UHLW 1 60397 ep0 727 isnet-gw 0:0:c0:35:9:ba UHLW 70 0 ep0 298 194.144.233.255 link#1 UHLW 1 315 BASE-ADDRESS.MCA link#1 I'm sorry to say I don't have the netstat of when the linux had overrided the default gateway, but in short, it changed from isnet-gw to bonus.is Thanks in advance, Međ kveđju, Best regards, ----------------------------------------------------------- Gestur A. Grjetarsson kerfisstjori islandia.is sysadmin islandia.is Islandia, Grensásvegur 7, 2h.t.h., 108 Reykjavik sími 5884020, modem 5884120, fax 5884014 http://www.islandia.is http://www.islandia.is/english.htm http://www.islandia.is/skvopn From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:03:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14460 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14453 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #13307) id <01I505I2K57O006SM3@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: Configuring the keyboard To: peter@brig.demon.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <01I505I2KY5I006SM3@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"peter@brig.demon.co.uk" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"freebsd-questions@freebsd.org",ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Annelise, >When I finally managed to install FreeBSD I selected a UK keyboard from >the menu, but still find that the 2/" and '/@ are transposed. I seem to >recall seeing that you can configure the keys to anything you like, but >can't remember where I found it. Do you have any idea where it is >documented? >Peter -- >Peter Adams >Lincolnshire, England Peter, I am cc'ing this to questions@freebsd.org because I don't know-- I tried apropos keyboard and got some apparently useful results, including man 5 keycap, which claimed that there's a keyboard control file in /usr/share/misc/keycap. But no such file exists on my system (2.1-STABLE), in fact no keycap file exists in /usr except as source code. Maybe someone else can help? Annelise From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:11:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15042 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.164]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15037 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA04864; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:13:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199605221813.LAA04864@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: fmtel@micronet.fr cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ethernet controler DC21040 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 15:17:28." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:13:38 -0700 From: Doug White Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -------- > Hello, > I am getting some problems to use a chip ethernet > DC21040 which is on-board on a DEC Server Prioris LX. > It is well recognized at boot, but I can't succeed in accessing > the network. > When I replace it by an NE2000 everything is fine, > then the network must be correct. Did you check /etc/sysconfig and made sure that the de0 interface was being configured rather than ed0? > > Is there something specific to know ? > What's the meaning of "link2" flag ? On some drivers (ep0), this indicates to use the TP port. It depends. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:13:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15214 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15207 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id TAA10950; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:10:11 +0100 (BST) To: Terry Lambert cc: branson@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 May 1996 18:26:42 PDT." <199605220126.SAA02769@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:10:11 +0100 Message-ID: <10948.832788611@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote in message ID <199605220126.SAA02769@phaeton.artisoft.com>: > > There is no such thing as a fair, unbiased, > > treatment of this area, which is often considered a nearly religous > > issue, and treated with much fanatacism by some). > > Not to mention, the fanatics will just fix whatever you point at > as bad in their product, or add whatever it is you say is good > in their opponents product, and then flame you for being out of > date. > 8-). Whoops. Missed the fact that it would be a nightmare to maintain... thanks Terry :-) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:25:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15555 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hod.tera.com (hod.tera.com [206.215.142.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15550 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [206.215.142.62]) by hod.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22362; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23578; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605221823.LAA23578@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: Utilities and POSIX compliance.... To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kline@tera.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605212101.OAA02018@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "May 21, 96 02:01:07 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Terry Lambert: > > `wc' is missing the -m (multibyte) flag, and I expect that > > other of the language/locale-specific utilities are missing > > these hooks. > > "Multibyte" is an evil, evil implementation of internationalization > (the process of making software localizable to a particular locale > using only data and environment, not code changes). It doesn't > deal at all with multinationalization (the process of making software > capable of simultaneously operating in several locales, generally > useful only for translators and language scholars). I'll buy your second premise, but not necessairily your first. Making everything multinational would probably take man-decades. Do you have a better idea? Better meaning realistically doable. > > I really can't be too sad about missing bogus locale implementation > flags. > > > Can any of the BSD gurus point me at the person or persons > > who are working on the utilities? Since there are around > > 300 utilities, I'm guessing that there are several people > > involved. > > > > I'd like to know why more of the Berkeley utilities aren't > > POSIX-compliant. That is, why, without some minor--or even > > major--hacks, these utilities haven't been brought up to > > standard. The BSD kernel is A++, but not the utils... . > > I believe they are all i18n. The general consensus is to not > POSIX'ify if there will be a significant loss of functionality, > or if doing so would mean moving from a BS source to a GPL'ed one. How would adding more of the POSIX standards cause a loss of functionality?? From what is in the 4.4final release of BSD (1993/4), most of the utility set are, worst case, missing only a few flags. Before remembering the FSF's work, I hacked some of the BSD utilities into compiliance. Then found that GNU has the majority of the utilities re-written. The code ought to parallelize nicely, and even if not, having the POSIX compliance shouldn't cause any of functional degradation. (Speculation:: I haven't tested my GNU ports yet.) > > I believe nmost of the Lite2 code has not been integrated -- there > are supposedly some serious strides towards POSIX in some of the > unintegrated code. Thanks for the tip. Do you know if it is the Lite2 code on the Walnut Creek CD? It might be a big win to have the latest version of the Lite release around. BTW, am I right to assume that Lite itself is dead? Can't imagine anyone hacking on that stuff, but then... . gary kline From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:35:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16011 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16006 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.231.132.20]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15445(4)>; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:34:32 PDT Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-TB) id AA10809; Wed, 22 May 96 14:34:35 EDT Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10358; Wed, 22 May 96 14:34:33 EDT Message-Id: <9605221834.AA10358@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting from wd1 (bootmanager) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 08:29:46 PDT." <199605201529.RAA05890@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:34:31 PDT From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've never been able to boot via bootmanager to wd1. What I have been able to do is use the boot floppy or fbsdboot to boot off wd1... It would be very convenient to have a fbsdboot which works like loadlin... (a linux dos-based loader). Also, when I have the kernel on the dos partition (which is how I use linux) I have all types of problems with programs that use kernel symbols (like ps). I just got system commander, however it doesn't like on-track drives for non-dos parititions (the solution may be a small freebsd slice on wd0 with a larger one on wd1). -- marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:44:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16559 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resolver.viaduk.net (root@resolver.viaduk.net [194.44.78.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16505; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sns@localhost) by resolver.viaduk.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA05747; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:43:42 +0300 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:43:42 +0300 (EET DST) From: Sergey Stepanenko To: Charles Green cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: APC Powerchute In-Reply-To: <199605221543.LAA06827@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Message-ID: X-Contacts: +38 044 4625090 X-Organization: Viaduk-Telecom MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Charles Green wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:43:02 -0400 > From: Charles Green > To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org > Subject: APC Powerchute > > Has anyone tried run APC's SCO powerchute application under SCO > emulation. I've got a copy somewhere I can dig up. If no one's tried it, I'll > give it a try. > > -- > Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration > 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & > Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming > Actually there's a upsd daemon that works just fine under freebsd 2.X. If you need it - e-mail me - i'll put it on ftp (it's free). WB . . Sergey Stepanenko - System/Network Administrator Technical Director - Viaduk-Telecom, Inc 10 Sagaidachnogo St., 254070 Kiev, Ukraine tel. +38 (044) 4168267 tel./fax +38 (044) 4625090 hostmaster@viaduk.net - sns@viaduk.net . . From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:45:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16641 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16630; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04652; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:39:38 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605221839.LAA04652@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: branson@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (Branson Matheson) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:39:38 -0700 (MST) Cc: gpalmer@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605221222.IAA28170@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov> from "Branson Matheson" at May 22, 96 08:22:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > So the focus of this thread is " Is there a way to better inform > visitors to the Home Pages so that they might find the answers without > posting to the questions list? " ( biggie .. ain't it ;-) The front page on the site really wants to be fixed. A list of primary categories as icons, text button verions for lynx, and buttons for "search site", "about site", etc., want to be there. The search engine is wierd; there is no way to date sort, date restrict, or otherwise thread by "subject"/"Re: subject". For instance, try searching for 2.1.1 (you can't use periods, and there are no "search hints", and AND is shown as a conjunctive, but doesn't work. We don't have to do www.linuxppc.org, but we do need something. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:47:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16855 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16850 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14900(5)>; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:46:20 PDT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177475>; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:46:07 -0700 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Tony Kimball cc: terry@lambert.org, bmah@cs.berkeley.edu, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ip masquerading In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 1996 20:24:28 PDT." <199605210324.WAA19342@compound.Think.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:46:05 PDT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96May22.114607pdt.177475@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199605210324.WAA19342@compound.Think.COM>you write: >Hmm... it would seem worthwhile to find out *how* Linux does >MTU discovery through a masquerade If you have enough state to forward TCP data packets then you have enough state to forward ICMP error packets the other way - it is just more rewriting. Once you have the packet (_data_, in this case, not just header) rewriting in place, making sure that MTU discovery (and other ICMP unreachables, etc) works is easy. Bill From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:47:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16871 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA16849 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04665; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:42:15 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605221842.LAA04665@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Modem Problem To: ANDRSN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (Annelise Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:42:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <01I4ZBUSKB8U006NGB@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> from "Annelise Anderson" at May 21, 96 08:53:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Turn off PnP relocation of the port resources (which is what is > >biting you). > > I've looked around in Windows 95 and can't find any place to turn off > PnP relocation...e.g. Settings//Modems doesn't seem to allow this. Look around in the modem documentation; it's something that the modem is letting Windows95 do, not something Windows95 is doing to be mean to you. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:51:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17135 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17128 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA04689; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:45:16 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605221845.LAA04689@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Boot Manager Problem To: ANDRSN@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (Annelise Anderson) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:45:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01I4ZG3B0NTE006S0I@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> from "Annelise Anderson" at May 21, 96 10:54:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> Doug, is it possible to reinstall BootEasy without reinstalling everything > >> else? From the install disk (boot floppy) or stand/sysinstall? > > > >> This is what I think got trashed that was providing the info to the > >> OS/2 boot manager-- > > >Yes. It's on the first CD in /tools (maybe /tools/dist) or on ftp.freebsd.org > >in a similar location. > > >OS-BS is a different boot manager that is also available. > > Thanks--I managed to install OS-BS (from a bootable DOS floppy onto > which I'd copied the files from the CD). The OS/2 boot manager never > did find the FreeBSD partition on the second hard drive, but OS-BS > did, so it's all working. The main requirement that the OS/2 boot manager has is the normal signature word (which BSD has) and alignment to a cylinder boundry of the partition start and end (which you can only guarantee by knowing the geometry or making the thing in DOS first). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:51:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17176 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17169 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA26994 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:51:25 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aa15672; 22 May 96 18:01 GMT Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa18922; 22 May 96 18:56 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA21686; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:24:38 GMT Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:24:38 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605220124.BAA21686@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: llay@sdcc10.ucsd.edu CC: questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Enigma on Tue, 21 May 1996 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Specific Driver support question Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I didn't see the Smartcache III from DPT on the list of supported SCSI > adaptors. Curious, is it NOT supported--or is there any way to get around > that? Strange though, FreeBSD is popular among servers--and DPT's SCSI > adaptors are also more popular among servers for their expandability and > extensive RAID support. See the recent discussion (on -hackers, I think) about this. The position seems to be that it's not currently supported, but one may well be forthcoming, if agreement can be reached on suitable licensing conditions. > Second question, is it possible to use BSD 4.3 filesystem on FreeBSD? I > was thinking... FreeBSD is based on BSD 4.4 lite--which decended from BSD > 4.3--so it should be able to, right? I'm not sure what you have in mind exactly. If you mean something like "can FreeBSD read my old Sun disc", the answer's almost certainly no, as there are all sorts of complications like little/big-endian which come into play. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland jraynard@dial.pipex.com james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:52:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17341 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.98.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17302 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA07416; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:53:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:53:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: weird error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am getting the following error: www httpd: gethostby*.gethostanswer: asked for "80.25.30.206.in-addr.arpa", got "80.64.25.30.206.in-addr.arpa" Where should I look to fix this? Or better yet tell me this isn't my machines problem (The routers aren't mine...) Also..... How serious is this one fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 0 (ST0 40 ST 1 ST 0 cyn 0 hd 0 sec 1) Thanks alot ====================================================================== Jeremy Sigmon B.S. ChE | Webmaster of the Robert C. Byrd Health | Sciences Center of West Virginia University | This Space For Rent WWW.HSC.WVU.EDU | Graduate Student in Computer Science | Office : 293-1060 | ====================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:54:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17466 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from refuge.Colorado.EDU (root@refuge.Colorado.EDU [128.138.238.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17456 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from refuge.Colorado.EDU (jorgy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by refuge.Colorado.EDU (8.7.5/8.6.12/UnixOps/Hesiod/(SDM)) with ESMTP id MAA28592 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199605221853.MAA28592@refuge.Colorado.EDU> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: problems installing 2.1.0-RELEASE with WD8013EPC ethernet card Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:36 -0600 From: "Eric R. Jorgensen" Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm trying to get FreeBSD going on an HP Vectra P100 with an WD8013EPC ethernet card. I'm doing an ftp install, but it conks out when trying to do the actual ftp. >From the ALT-F2 debugging output: DEBUG: init routine called for device ed1 hostname: not found add net default: gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx DEBUG: Network initialized correctly ed1: device timeout ed1: device timeout ed1: device timeout If you need more information to figure this one out, let me know. (This machine was running Windows '95 and the ethernet was working fine.) Thanks in advance, Eric From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:56:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17686 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dev01.interactive.com (pppA219.micronet.fr [193.149.100.73]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17622 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by dev01.interactive.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA00219; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:55:58 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199605221813.LAA04864@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> Reply-To: fmtel@micronet.fr Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:47:06 From: fmtel@micronet.fr To: Doug White Subject: Re: Ethernet controler DC21040 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello Doug, thanks for your reply. it's not a problem in sysconfig as I did the ifconfig manually, to set the interfaces up and down. And if I boot with de0 in sysconfig, it doesn't work, and if I set de0 down and ed0 up manually thru ifconfig it works fine ! I have just been able to verify that the link2 flag for de0 means BNC, and -link2 means TP. when I start tcpdump on de0, it doesn't see anything from the network. maybe I have a hardware problem ... best regards, Jean-Marc BOTTURA ---------------------------------- E-Mail: fmtel@micronet.fr Date: 05/22/96 Time: 20:47:07 ---------------------------------- This message was sent by XF-Mail ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 11:56:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17746 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tiny.mcs.usu.edu (tiny.mcs.usu.edu [129.123.15.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17731 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 11:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kurto@localhost) by tiny.mcs.usu.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA06908 for freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:56:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:56:36 -0600 From: Kurt Olsen Message-Id: <199605221856.MAA06908@tiny.mcs.usu.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Does this mean what I think it does? Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just recently picked up a pentium machine with a large EIDE drive in it. On my first install I got a bunch of these: May 22 06:50:19 myname /kernel: wd0s3f: hard error reading fsbn 1012831 of 1012830-1012831 (wd0s3 bn 1336415; cn 331 tn 28 sn 59)wd0: status 59 error 40 I reinstalled and used the bad144 option to have things checked out. It found quite a few bad sectors and sysinstall said that 'bad144 returned 1.' I assumed that since things continued on, that was normal? Perhaps that's not the case? Anyway the install went just handily after the scan and so I set out to rebuild my kernel and have now seen quite a few more. Here's a couple more examples: May 22 06:50:19 myname /kernel: wd0s3f: hard error reading fsbn 1012831 of 1012830-1012831 (wd0s3 bn 1336415; cn 331 tn 28 sn 59)wd0: status 59 error 40 May 22 06:50:31 myname /kernel: wd0s3f: hard error reading fsbn 1012831 of 1012830-1012831 (wd0s3 bn 1336415; cn 331 tn 28 sn 59)wd0: status 59 error 40 So does this mean there's something seriously wrong with my disk or am I some kind of idiot who is missing something obvious. Kurt Olsen From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:03:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA18312 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18304 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA15682; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:03:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Andrew N. Edmond" cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newsfeed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Andrew N. Edmond wrote: > > I have just setup a 64k Frame Relay connection with service provider that > is letting my users have read permissions off their newsserver. I have > the domain name (news.wyoming.com) and the port number (191) but am > clueless on where to put these settings so shell users using tin can read > all 20,000 newsgroups (without be having to download them all!) off of > news.wyoming.com. Help would be MUCH appreciated! > Put setenv NNTPSERVER news.wyoming.com (/etc/csh.login) and NNTPSERVER=news.wyoming.com;export NNTPSERVER (/etc/profile) All the newsreaders I know of support this. Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:20:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19468 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19462 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 199.183.109.242 by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Wed, 22 May 1996 14:20:22 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 22 May 1996 14:20:14 -0500 From: "Richard Wackerbarth" Subject: Re: sup To: "FreeBSD Questions" , "John A. Booth" X-Mailer: Mail*Link PT/Internet 1.6.0 Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've asked this before (and I probably should store this somewhere). > But where to I need to begin to use -stable? Should I get 2.1R > then start sup? As far as the source is concerned, don't get anything. Sup has its own "release" mechanism and you need to check out the entire source package through it. Just bring up a good system and use the supfiles for stable after appropriate editing. An alternative is ctm. There you can start with the "live file system" on the 2.1.0 CD and avoid about 26Meg of the 28Meg initial source download. Either way, you need to pick one method and stick to it. I'm still trying to work out arrangements so that you can switch mechanisms either direction and salvage most of the source that you already have in place. Unfortunately, too few "hackers" seem to realize the value of that ability. I suspect that may be due to the fact that they are already up and happy with the method they already have working. -- ...computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1/2 tons. -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:31:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20113 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wireless.net (wireless-gw.wireless.net [128.49.236.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20108 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ir.wdc.net (ir.wdc.net [198.147.74.35]) by wireless.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA27438 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605221931.MAA27438@wireless.net> X-Sender: buaas@radio.wdc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: buaas@wireless.net (Robert A. Buaas) Subject: X11 binary for 2.2-960501-SNAP ? Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a binary of the X server tree available somewhere on the ftp server, or need I recompile the whole thing? The -current binaries are asking for libc.so.2.2, and it's libc.so.3.0 that's in the newest SNAP. Suggestions? thanks in advance/bob From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:38:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20443 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulantris.infinop.com (root@ulantris.infinop.com [205.230.144.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20438 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by ulantris.infinop.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA18905; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:37:25 -0500 From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199605221937.OAA18905@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: Re: editors To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:37:25 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Jake Hamby" at May 22, 96 10:08:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Please do this! Pico is probably Unix's easiest editor to use, and also I prefer to think joe is Unix's easiest editor to use (for someone having no prior knowledge). Otherwise any editor if you know how to use it is easy. Joe's default command set is wordstar, but it has a emacs command set also. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:39:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20484 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20477 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA27296 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:39:13 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id UAA11178; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:33:32 +0100 (BST) To: Gary Kline cc: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert), freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Utilities and POSIX compliance.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 11:23:53 PDT." <199605221823.LAA23578@athena.tera.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:33:31 +0100 Message-ID: <11176.832793611@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Kline wrote in message ID <199605221823.LAA23578@athena.tera.com>: > Before remembering the FSF's work, I hacked some > of the BSD utilities into compiliance. Then > found that GNU has the majority of the utilities > re-written. The code ought to parallelize nicely, > and even if not, having the POSIX compliance > shouldn't cause any of functional degradation. > (Speculation:: I haven't tested my GNU ports yet.) The FreeBSD project wants to rely as little as possible on FSF code (i.e. code under the GPL) because of commercial implications of having the code in the release... That is why all the code which falls under the GPL is in one directory in FreeBSD, so that if necessary you can yank it out and then use it in an environment where releasing the source to the system is not a viable option (for whatever reason). Moving more of our code base to be under the GPL is not really acceptable. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:45:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20957 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20948 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA00892; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:44:23 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199605221944.OAA00892@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Does this mean what I think it does? To: kurto@tiny.mcs.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:44:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605221856.MAA06908@tiny.mcs.usu.edu> from "Kurt Olsen" at May 22, 96 12:56:36 pm Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi, I just recently picked up a pentium machine with a large EIDE drive in > it. On my first install I got a bunch of these: > > May 22 06:50:19 myname /kernel: wd0s3f: hard error reading fsbn 1012831 of > 1012830-1012831 (wd0s3 bn 1336415; cn 331 tn 28 sn 59)wd0: status > 59 error 40 > Same thing happening on my new 2.5GByte drive. It IS a drive failure :-(. John From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:52:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21444 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mojo.calyx.com (mojo.calyx.net [204.137.148.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21437 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from amir@localhost) by mojo.calyx.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12754 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:52:00 -0400 From: Amir Rosenblatt Message-Id: <199605221952.PAA12754@mojo.calyx.com> Subject: problem with xv and aero ports To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having problems tryhing to compile the xv port under 2.1R. When I try and compile it I get the following error: Makefile:21: *** missing separator. Stop. Line 21 is: .if !defined(NOPORTDOCS) When I comment it (and the endif) out, it then dies on line 25: .include I'm assuming the problem stems from my having installed the current version of GNU make, which seems to not like that syntax. Any suggestions? -Amir From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:53:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21527 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mother.cdrom.com (mother.cdrom.com [204.216.28.172]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21521 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (support@localhost) by mother.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA15665 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:52:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Hsu To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Support for Matsushita CDROM (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:07:42 -0500 From: Travis Mikalson To: support@cdrom.com Subject: FreeBSD Support for Matsushita CDROM I am having trouble with FreeBSD and my CDROM. I have a Matsushita 562 connected to a Creative Labs Sound Blaster 16 Multi-CD board. The installation generic kernel searches for the drive at 0x230 and the CDROM light goes on, but it still doesn't find it. I changed it to -1 in the userconfig, and it hit the CDROM twice, yet still did not recognize it. I just bought the Walnut Creek FreeBSD CD, and Docs. This is a great OS, and we are going to be using it for our ISP. I am interested to know about any other support services available. Thanks much! Travis Mikalson System Administrator of International Graphics From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 12:57:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21894 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mother.cdrom.com (mother.cdrom.com [204.216.28.172]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21889 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (support@localhost) by mother.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA15674 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:57:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Hsu To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Forwarded mail.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 00:12:21 -0400 From: Christian Fortin To: support@cdrom.com, seki@sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp I dont know if you can do anything for me but: I have a GATWAY Communication inc Ethernet card. model G/EtherTwist 16 it work with MB86960A chip set ( I can see also a MB86953 on the board!) I use FreeBSD 2.1.0. I know then you have build a driver ( fe0 ) for support to the Fujitsu FMV-180 series ethernet card on FreeBSD. Do you know why your driver cannot see my ethernet card. I set the I/O port and IRQ correctly , and at boot , the fe0 is not detected ??? I have buy 5 cards, and I plan to use it with FreeBSD but ... :-( give me some news ... thank's bye From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 13:18:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA23156 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ptavv.nsta.org (ptavv.gfoster.com [199.0.2.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23148 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gfoster@localhost) by ptavv.nsta.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA00568; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:16:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Glen Foster Message-Id: <199605222016.QAA00568@ptavv.nsta.org> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: runaway processes Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk System is 2.1R, pine is from the package. When a user logs off without exiting pine the processes begin using lots of CPU and cannot be killed with -INT. Has a fix or workaround been developed for this? (Yeah, I know, don't run pine :-)! e.g.: top load averages: 2.00, 2.00, 2.00 16:04:57 72 processes: 3 running, 68 sleeping, 1 stopped Cpu states: 1.2% user, 0.0% nice, 96.9% system, 1.9% interrupt, 0.0% idle Memory: Real: 4760K/30220K Virt: 90200K/5011524K Free: 4044K PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 10704 ******** 105 4 1336K 20K run 502:00 60.99% 60.99% pine 10585 ******** 105 4 2024K 20K run 623:48 59.13% 59.13% pine 13168 ******** 31 0 404K 800K run 0:00 1.68% 0.93% top 13170 ******** 3 0 460K 280K sleep 0:00 1.53% 0.73% csh ps axl UID PID PPID CPU PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TT TIME COMMAND 1010 10585 1 256 100 4 2024 20 - RN p1- 625:44.48 pine 1009 10704 1 255 99 4 1336 20 - RN p1- 503:55.88 pine TIA, Glen Foster From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 13:18:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA23206 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23196 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ax02879; 22 May 96 21:07 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa18699; 22 May 96 18:55 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id BAA21661; Wed, 22 May 1996 01:09:19 GMT Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:09:19 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605220109.BAA21661@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: ro11@crux2.cit.cornell.edu CC: questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <9605211757.AA25445@crux2.cit.cornell.edu> (message from Rohan Oberoi on Tue, 21 May 96 13:57:46 -0400) Subject: Re: Emacs pkg_add problem -- please help. Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Thanks, Jim, I'll try that. It seems a little strange that one > should have to install the X server in order to run emacs, rather > than being able to run emacs from the console. Is this really the > way the package is designed ? I believe so. The idea of packages is to provide something that'll get everyone started as quickly as possible, rather than forcing people to fiddle around with Makefile and config files before they can use any applications. Most people seem to want to use X, so the emacs package is built with X support. If you want to build a text-only emacs, you have to install the ports distribution, do 'make extract' in /usr/ports/editors/emacs and read the INSTALL instructions in the emacs source distribution on how to configure it that way. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland jraynard@dial.pipex.com james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 13:23:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA23517 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23511 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04906; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:18:01 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605222018.NAA04906@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Raid support To: ron@infi.net (Ron Steele) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:18:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960522152342.00669058@mailhost.infi.net> from "Ron Steele" at May 22, 96 11:23:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > What is the current state of support for raid controler's? > There is a driver for the Compaq controllers for the Proliant and similar machine's SCSI RAID controllers. The driver is not integrated into the source tree. The Adaptec 3940 has insufficient non-NDA documentation to allow a driver to be written. Missing are the extensions for controller instead of host calculation of checksum/ECC/Hamming codes. It is unlikely that the 3940 will be supported as anything other than a normal SCSI controller, unless someone signs NDA and becaomes a sole source for a binary only driver module. There are negotiations under way with DPT. It looks like the DPT line of controllers, including the RAID controllers, will be supported some time in the near future. External RAID arrays are accessed as if they were simply normal SCSI devices, and function without modification with all supported SCSI controllers (including the 3940 operating as a non-RAID SCSI controller). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 13:24:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA23744 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23739 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04915; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:19:29 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605222019.NAA04915@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0beta and Java in FreeBSD To: edward@cpm.telrad.co.il (Edward Beili) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:19:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Edward Beili" at May 22, 96 07:25:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I tried your suggestions (mkfontdir and removed all environment variables > that even closely resembled "*C*") - it didn't help. > > I tried to link moz3_0.zip and classes.zip to the current dir and did: > setenv CLASSPATH '.:moz3_0.zip:classes.zip' > netscape -java sun.tools.javac.Main Test.java > > Now the stupid thing crashed with Segmentation fault. > What else could be wrong? unsetenv CLASSPATH. THAT'S the one that causes the problem. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 13:25:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA23801 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulantris.infinop.com (root@ulantris.infinop.com [205.230.144.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA23790 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by ulantris.infinop.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA20393; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:23:40 -0500 From: "John A. Booth" Message-Id: <199605222023.PAA20393@ulantris.infinop.com> Subject: Re: sup To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:23:39 -0500 (CDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at May 22, 96 02:20:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, I've got a system that's got 2.1R on it. After getting the sup package and installing it and locating a sup file--there wasn't a FAQ directory on freebsd.cdrom.com in /pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-curent/src/usr/share/ So I located one I thought should work ok. stable-base release=stable host=SUP.FreeBSD.ORG hostbase=/home base=/usr prefix=/usr/src delete old I added 871 in as sup (commenting out supfileserv). This is some of the output--it doesn't seem to be working correctly. galileo# sup -v stable-supfile SUP 9.26 (4.3 BSD) for file stable-supfile at May 22 15:22:42 SUP: supfilesrv/tcp: unknown service: using port 26371 SUP Upgrade of stable-base at Wed May 22 15:23:36 1996 SUP Fileserver 9.13 (4.3 BSD) 23677 on freefall.FreeBSD.org at 15:23:36 SUP Fileserver supports compression. SUP: Invalid release stable for collection stable-base SUP: Upgrade of stable-base aborted at May 22 15:23:36 1996 SUP: supfilesrv/tcp: unknown service: using port 26371 SUP Upgrade of stable-bin at Wed May 22 15:23:37 1996 SUP Fileserver 9.13 (4.3 BSD) 23687 on freefall.FreeBSD.org at 15:23:37 SUP Fileserver supports compression. SUP: Invalid release stable for collection stable-bin SUP: Upgrade of stable-bin aborted at May 22 15:23:37 1996 SUP: supfilesrv/tcp: unknown service: using port 26371 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 13:26:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA23945 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23937 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16758; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:26:18 -0400 Received: from salem.ge.com (carsdb.salem.ge.com [3.29.7.15]) by thomas.ge.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA08220; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:04:26 -0400 Received: from combs.salem.ge.com by salem.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06163; Wed, 22 May 96 16:26:05 EDT Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by combs.salem.ge.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA21951; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:25:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen F. Combs" Reply-To: CombsSF@salem.ge.com To: Gestur A Grjetarsson Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux overriding Default Gateway In-Reply-To: <199605221727.RAA14799@hummer.islandia.is> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We've seen this symptom here at GE Drive Systems. It's usually caused by someone running routed in the 'advertise routes' mode. IF they run routed with the '-q' switch the problem goes away! It appears to be a bug in the Linux networking software, because no matter WHAT we set the system up for it will take the FIRST ARP packet and advertise itself as the 'route of last resort' to that IP address/MAC address. If you just run routed in quiet mode the problem appears to go away (altho' I've told our informal Linux community they shouldn't be running routed AT ALL but just insert a default route to our master router.). - ---- Stephen F. Combs Internet: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM GE DS&TC Voice: 540.387.8828 Network Services Home: CombsSF-Home@Salem.GE.COM 1501 Roanoke Blvd FAX: 540.387.7106 Salem, VA 24153 LapTop: CombsSF-Mobile@Salem.GE.COM On Wed, 22 May 1996, Gestur A Grjetarsson wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:27:45 GMT > From: Gestur A Grjetarsson > To: questions@freebsd.org > Subject: linux overriding Default Gateway > > Hello everyone, > > I'm running my 2.1 rel. now, have been in the past 40 days now, the system > has been smooth and stable on my p5/133, 65Mb RAM, 4.3 Gig Scsi on AHA2940, > > the resoun for this letter is because on one system here we run Linux PRE-206, > and have been for a brief time now, two days ago we had an error on our system > here wich was that we couldn't ping our 2nd DNS server, or should I say backbone > to our system domain wich is (isgate.is) ,, our domain is of course > (islandia.is) > well, when we were trying to see what happened to the system we saw one > fault had > occured, and it was that way that the linux system had somehow overrided our DNS > server and made it'self the Default Gateway,, > here below is a summary of netstat, where I show how it should look appropriate > where the Default Gateway is 194.144.233.254 > > default isnet-gw UGSc 70 27727 ep0 > > but the changes/error wich we found was that the when the linux system is/was > started, it took over default gateway: > > default bonus.is > > I don't know why this happened, and would like to know if someone else out there > has had same problems, and if there is known routing error on FreeBSD or the > linux > os wich we can fix ? > > > here is the netstat wich we consider, status ok: > > ~# netstat -r > Routing tables > > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire > default isnet-gw UGSc 70 27727 ep0 > localhost localhost UH 0 773 lo0 > 194.144.233 link#1 UC 1 0 > hummer 0:20:af:cf:67:b8 UHLW 3 11997 lo0 > hlunkur 0:80:ad:6:3e:80 UHLW 1 60397 ep0 727 > isnet-gw 0:0:c0:35:9:ba UHLW 70 0 ep0 298 > 194.144.233.255 link#1 UHLW 1 315 > BASE-ADDRESS.MCA link#1 > > > I'm sorry to say I don't have the netstat of when the linux had overrided the > default gateway, but in short, it changed from isnet-gw to bonus.is > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Mep kvepju, > Best regards, > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Gestur A. Grjetarsson > kerfisstjori islandia.is sysadmin islandia.is > > Islandia, Grensasvegur 7, 2h.t.h., 108 Reykjavik > smmi 5884020, modem 5884120, fax 5884014 > > http://www.islandia.is > http://www.islandia.is/english.htm > http://www.islandia.is/skvopn > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMaN4UOnnD7stD95BAQFFpgP/V349JVCMlcb3hdVlzjsOkTml5u4b2UhB RvwnAlwX3U2DYIJc9DBjGu+/iDNwgXUvawQBUo7eSaz0q9Yhr2su+4QHxYt/LqPr UIpwvMofAXzA0TXurLQTybpYr2sunBn5Z/I34GySNZDFRbL0WxU2alKa0mE14ax5 Wp05cf876ws= =NOt2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 13:34:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24604 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA24597 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04955; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:26:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605222026.NAA04955@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Is Token Ring supported? To: dwhite@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (Doug White) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 13:26:31 -0700 (MST) Cc: joe@ns.via.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605221739.KAA04546@riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu> from "Doug White" at May 22, 96 10:39:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > We need to set up a DHCP server at work - but it needs to support > > token ring. > > > > If FreeBSD doesn't support TR, I guess we'll be forced to use BSDi or > > even NT. > > Not yet. I thought someone was working on it. Les Higger (who just posted to questions today) is working on a TR driver; there are actually several people hacking. I was looking at the 802.2 LLC code (which is partly there for the FDDI and partly there for the X.25), and referring to the IBM document "Local Area Network, Technical Reference", part number SC30-3383-03/39F9353 and the "Supplement to the Local Area Network Technical reference", part number SD21-0049-00. I think the LLC state machine, if fully implemented, is a real bear. On the bright side, it would be a significant step towards native NetBEUI support as well. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 14:02:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA27152 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27137 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id WAA11507; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:00:25 +0100 (BST) To: Glen Foster cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: runaway processes In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 16:16:39 EDT." <199605222016.QAA00568@ptavv.nsta.org> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:00:23 +0100 Message-ID: <11504.832798823@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Glen Foster wrote in message ID <199605222016.QAA00568@ptavv.nsta.org>: > When a user logs off without exiting pine the processes begin using > lots of CPU and cannot be killed with -INT. Has a fix or workaround > been developed for this? (Yeah, I know, don't run pine :-)! This is a bug in pine. Try ``kill -9 ''. That should do it nicely :-) There is an update to pine (if I remember), but the new version may have other problems too... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 14:12:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28019 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nj5.injersey.com (root@nj5.injersey.com [206.139.48.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27971 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nj5.injersey.com (ppp017-chst.injersey.com [206.139.56.17]) by nj5.injersey.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26341 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31A383A2.5D95@injersey.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:14:10 -0400 From: "J. Goldstein" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD on my notebook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'd like to install FreeBSD on my notebook (Micron MIllennia Transport p133), but I tried using the boot disk and a) I don't think any pcmcia driver/program is loading and b) com3 isn't detecting a device (which my pc card modem almost always chooses as its com port), so if you could please help me I'd be most appreciative. I was a linux user but when I got my notebook and was unable to use ppp with linux I soon came to explore other options and I have heard the FreeBSD is great so if I could just get my communications working I'm sure I'd be happy :) Please e-mail me back as soon as possible, help will be much appreciated. Thanks. Justin Goldstein blue@injersey.com From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 14:13:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28126 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28114 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA05021; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:06:39 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605222106.OAA05021@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Utilities and POSIX compliance.... To: kline@tera.com (Gary Kline) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:06:39 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, kline@tera.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605221823.LAA23578@athena.tera.com> from "Gary Kline" at May 22, 96 11:23:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > `wc' is missing the -m (multibyte) flag, and I expect that > > > other of the language/locale-specific utilities are missing > > > these hooks. > > > > "Multibyte" is an evil, evil implementation of internationalization > > (the process of making software localizable to a particular locale > > using only data and environment, not code changes). It doesn't > > deal at all with multinationalization (the process of making software > > capable of simultaneously operating in several locales, generally > > useful only for translators and language scholars). > > > I'll buy your second premise, but not necessairily > your first. Making everything multinational > would probably take man-decades. Do you have a > better idea? Better meaning realistically doable. Yes. Attribute data streams as 8 bit or 16 bit sources, and do translation from 16 bit Unicode to a local round-trip character set in the kernel. This would let you not use runic encoding, yet still maintain backward compatability with NFS servers and disk volumes with no "IS_UNICODE" attribute. If you want to have a laymans explanation, consider it as disk to VM buffer level 1->2 block level decompression/compression. For i18n, no file contents need change (runic encoding requires alll files not written in vanilla US ASCII to get larger). The utilities all go to wchar_t (which I really would recommmend be 16 bit Unicode; code pages other than 16:0 in ISO 10646 have yet to be defined; tyhey are an appeasement mechanism for ethnic purists who want characters attributed by language of origin for unified glyph sets anyay -- not a technical issue at all). The technical reasoning for a 16 bit wchar_t: that's what Microsoft uses for NT and Windows 95; there is really no reason to shoot ourselves in the porting-NT/95-code-to-FreeBSD foot, right? Going to wchar_t for all utilities would be rather easy; the biggest pain would be termios on tty's, vty's, and pty's. The vty code wants to be handled using user space sesssion management on pty's anyway, which leaves tty's and pty's. The pty code wants to be rewritten to use device cloning using the devfs. So really, the only legacy code we really care about is tty's. Since there are no Unicode terminals, the stat stream will always have the 8 bit attribution. There is still a need to set a local character set to Unicode translator at the device level for ISO character set specific terminals for round-tripping. This is handled via 2 256 byte tables and an extent index, or at most, a 64k sparse table for something like ISO-2022 for KanjiHand or other NEC/DOSV input devices acting as terminals. The LOCALE variable is still used -- but only for message catalogs. Very low real overhead, in other words. The move from char to wchar_t is pretty simple, at least for those of us with cscope. It is capable of near automation for most code. As an initial assumption, the termios code could assume an 8 bit input method. In the final implementation, the input method should be largely irrelevant -- it's a device tagging issue. This also has the effect of: 1) Fixed field input buffers are still fixed length and mathematically related to field length. 2) wtomb and similar crap "goes away". 3) Local settings "go away". The issue is one of font on your display device vs. round tripping of lexical values for character encoding using small tables. 4) It's possible to have multiple languages in use by different users on the same system. 5) Fixed field storage for fixed input fields no longer require variable length records for actual data storage. 6) The length of a data file is still meaningful relative to character count, or dividing record length into file length to get a record count. All positive wins. > > > I'd like to know why more of the Berkeley utilities aren't > > > POSIX-compliant. That is, why, without some minor--or even > > > major--hacks, these utilities haven't been brought up to > > > standard. The BSD kernel is A++, but not the utils... . > > > > I believe they are all i18n. The general consensus is to not > > POSIX'ify if there will be a significant loss of functionality, > > or if doing so would mean moving from a BS source to a GPL'ed one. > > > How would adding more of the POSIX standards > cause a loss of functionality?? From what is > in the 4.4final release of BSD (1993/4), most > of the utility set are, worst case, missing only > a few flags. XPG/4 uses runic encoding, which is inherently flawed. Complying with this portion of POSIX would be a grave error. It would set back true internationalization compatible with Unicode 1.x standard compound document architecture based multinationalization. POSIX supports only operation in a single locale for any application. This means, for instance, it would be near impossible to build an application for use by message catalog translators without going outside the POSIX standard, and reimplementing multisession XPG/4 (which POSIX does not specify) at great cost in time and effort. It's well known that all i18n 8-bit character sets have support for US AASCII (at least the ISO 8859 sets do), as do some of the 16 bit character sets (most notably JIS 208 + JIS 212, which in agregate actually supports 21 of the most common languages). The reason for not simply using JIS 208 + JIS 212 with ISO 2022 shift encoding is that Unicode in general, and the 16:0 codepage of ISO 10646 in particular, support much, much more than 21 human languages. For instance, 1/5th of the worlds population is in India, yet JIS 208 + JIS 212 do not provide any support whatsoever for Indic scripts, like Tamil, Devengari, etc.. For right now, we should ignore the allocation of the Unicode "private use space" areas relative to character sets requiring ligatured fonts (Hebrew, Arabic, Tamil, Devengari, Sanskrit, etc.), even though this seriously biases against fixed cell rendering technologies, like that used by sconsole/pccons and X windows (it's understndable: Taligent is seriously biased toward PostScript). There are non-trivial workarounds (like "xtamil") if that becomes an issue. > Before remembering the FSF's work, I hacked some > of the BSD utilities into compiliance. Then > found that GNU has the majority of the utilities > re-written. The code ought to parallelize nicely, > and even if not, having the POSIX compliance > shouldn't cause any of functional degradation. > (Speculation:: I haven't tested my GNU ports yet.) The problem is in the limitations imposed by the POSIX concept of multibyte, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the quality of the code used to code to the XPG/3 and/or XPG/4 interfaces to implement it. Sorry if that wasn't clear. > > I believe nmost of the Lite2 code has not been integrated -- there > > are supposedly some serious strides towards POSIX in some of the > > unintegrated code. > > > Thanks for the tip. Do you know if it is the > Lite2 code on the Walnut Creek CD? It might be > a big win to have the latest version of the Lite > release around. BTW, am I right to assume that > Lite itself is dead? Can't imagine anyone hacking > on that stuff, but then... . The code is being slowly integrated into the main line sources tree. I have no idea about the user space stuuf, really, since I am mostly a kernel geek. 8-). I know that the Lite2 is available on CD from Walnut Creek, and I know that it's on line on freefall (or was, starting about a year ago when I first submitted my FS patches, some of which were intended to pave the way for support of Unicode directory name spaces for FS's). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 14:18:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28427 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mother.cdrom.com (mother.cdrom.com [204.216.28.172]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28422 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (support@localhost) by mother.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA15997 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:17:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:17:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Hsu To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD - HELP !! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 17 May 96 09:06:09 -0400 From: Ralph.Thomas@chembank.com To: support@cdrom.com Subject: FreeBSD - HELP !! I have some questions about a new FreeBSD install. 1. I followed the directions in the book to add the CDROM support to the KERNEL and regened and booted. After I boot, I cannot mount /cdrom. However, if I boot off of the KERNEL.ATAPI I can access the CDROM. Is there something else, other than adding "controller wcd0" to the kernel source ??? Just for info, the CDROM is hung off a secondary leg on the IDE controller with no other devices. 2. The /stand/sysinstall program will not let me install packages from the CDROM (with the kernel.atapi). It says that the device is not gened. But I can mount the cdrom and LS it ??? Also PKG_ADD works. Is there something I'm doing wrong?? 3. Is the net address questions@FreeBSD.org available ?? I get my mail returned. Are there any other resources for help ?? Thanks for your help..... From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 14:21:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28699 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28692 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA05048; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:15:46 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605222115.OAA05048@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Complaint To: kasturi@teil.soft.net (K.V.S. Sankaram) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:15:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "K.V.S. Sankaram" at May 22, 96 05:13:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Whenever I try to download the compiled kernel code(in the compressed > format, bin.tar.gz) from your ftp site, the remote server is closing connection > after sometime. I have tried atleast 10 times in the last two days but could > not download it completely. Is there any other way of getting the kernel code > from the network in a much faster way. We have a dedicated 64kbps line > connecting our office to the Internet. > > Please send a reply/suggestion to this as early as possible. Your path is through MCI. Use one of the mirrors to avoid MCI, have MCI not conveniently drop network connections because they've sold more bandwidth than they actually have, or pull down the files using an mget as seperate files instead of trying to do them in a lump. Then when you get dropped, use "reget" to restart the download where it left off. You *could* use "reget" on the file as it currently sits, without much trouble. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 14:21:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28757 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xs1.simplex.nl (xs1.simplex.NL [193.78.46.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28744 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Organisation-1: Simplex Networking Amsterdam X (Inter)Network X-Organisation-2: Kruislaan 419-38a 1098 VA Amsterdam X Solutions & X-Organisation-3: tel:+31(20)-6932433 fax:+31(20)-6685486 X Access Provider Received: (from uucp@localhost) by xs1.simplex.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3-RS) with UUCP id XAA08980 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 23:21:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from plm@localhost) by plm.simplex.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA02272; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:41:57 +0200 (MET DST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is Token Ring supported? References: <873f4tck9o.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id> From: Peter Mutsaers Date: 22 May 1996 18:41:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: Joe McGuckin's message of Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:19 -0700 Message-ID: <87ybmk8xt8.fsf@plm.simplex.nl> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: September Gnus v0.89/Emacs 19.30 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> On Tue, 21 May 1996 17:42:19 -0700 you wrote: JM> We need to set up a DHCP server at work - but it needs to support JM> token ring. JM> If FreeBSD doesn't support TR, I guess we'll be forced to use BSDi or JM> even NT. Linux supports token ring (well; I've done some experiments with it today). You can use that too. I'd love to see it for FreeBSD too. -- ______________________________________________________________________ Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | "Quod licet bovis, plm@simplex.nl | the Netherlands | non licet Jovi." From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 14:49:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA01212 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.13.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00754 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from vazquez@localhost) by kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (8.7.5/8.6.12/FreeBSD2.1) id SAA28102; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:13:42 GMT From: Pedro A M Vazquez Message-Id: <199605221813.SAA28102@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> Subject: Re: ip masquerading To: scott@statsci.com, jonny@coe.ufrj.br Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:13:41 +0000 () Cc: jimd@mistery.mcafee.com, root@bonsai.its.utas.edu.au, FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Scott Blachowicz" at May 22, 96 09:29:13 am X-Organization: Instituto de Quimica - Unicamp X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Blachowicz said: > > Jim Dennis wrote: > > > SLiRP: (a Linux user/level IP emulator) > > SLiRP doesn't really have anything to do with Linux (aside from it's being > a Unix box that the software can run on). Actually, I think its code is > based on the BSD networking source code. > Yes, indeed, from slirp.doc: * 4.4BSD TCP/IP code base. The TCP/IP code is based on 4.4BSD which is widely regarded as a very stable and complete implementation. This means it does all the things expected of TCP implementations. E.g: slow start, congestion avoidance, exponential back-off, round-trip-time calculation, delayed ACKs, Nagle algorithm, incoming and outgoing IP fragments, etc. The TCP/IP code was actually taken from the excellent FreeBSD 2.0 sources. In fact, I went out of my way to do as little modification to it as possible. Most things that I regarded as unnecessary (E.g.: the rfc1323 performance enhancements) were simply commented out, so if you want to experiment with them, you can. And from ChangeLog: - Updated portions of the TCP/IP code to FreeBSD 2.0.5. Most of the changes in 2.0.5 relate to T/TCP and hash lookup of the TCP/UDP control blocks. These updates are not all that beneficial to slirp, so I won't incorporate them yet. this linux-centric vision remembers me of "the `linux tcp_wrappers'" someone asked on the lists sometime ago. Pedro From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 15:10:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA02802 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02796 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA10757; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:24:14 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605222224.PAA10757@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: Complaint To: kasturi@teil.soft.net (K.V.S. Sankaram) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "K.V.S. Sankaram" at May 22, 96 05:13:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Sir, > Whenever I try to download the compiled kernel code(in the compressed > format, bin.tar.gz) from your ftp site, the remote server is closing connection > after sometime. I have tried atleast 10 times in the last two days but could > not download it completely. Is there any other way of getting the kernel code > from the network in a much faster way. We have a dedicated 64kbps line > connecting our office to the Internet. > > Please send a reply/suggestion to this as early as possible. I think you misunderstand what this mailing list is all about. You are addressing a whole bunch of volunteers who read and answer questions about FreeBSD on their own time. *We* are not a single "Sir" (and many of *us* are probably "Ma'am's" "Miss'" and "Ms'"). Now back to your question: There may be a mirror in your area. I presume that you are trying to get this from ftp.cdrom.com (the main site which is in Concord, CA, USA). If you have a web browser (such as lynx) you can find a list of mirrors at http://www.freebsd.org (following the links for "Obtaining" and "Mirrors"). You'll want to read those web pages extensively. However I've included an excerpt below: (Doing a whois on your domain suggests that you are in India -- my geography might a bit week but I guess that the closest mirror to you might be in Israel + ftp://orgchem.weizmann.ac.il/pub/FreeBSD Contact: serg@klara.weizmann.ac.il . + ftp://xray4.weizmann.ac.il/pub/FreeBSD Contact: serg@klara.weizmann.ac.il . or Thailand + ftp://ftp.nectec.or.th/pub/FreeBSD Contact: ftpadmin@ftp.nectec.or.th . You might save yourself a lot of time by ordering the CD's from Walnut Creek (their address and phone information is listed at the FreeBSD web site). Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 15:10:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA02879 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02871 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA05177; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:05:53 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605222205.PAA05177@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: problem with xv and aero ports To: amir@ns.calyx.com (Amir Rosenblatt) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:05:53 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605221952.PAA12754@mojo.calyx.com> from "Amir Rosenblatt" at May 22, 96 03:51:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm having problems tryhing to compile the xv port under 2.1R. When I > try and compile it I get the following error: > > Makefile:21: *** missing separator. Stop. > > Line 21 is: > > .if !defined(NOPORTDOCS) > > > When I comment it (and the endif) out, it then dies on line 25: > > .include > > > I'm assuming the problem stems from my having installed the current > version of GNU make, which seems to not like that syntax. Any suggestions? That's definitely the problem. Is there a reason you didn't install gnumake a "gmake" or "gnumake"? I think that's what it wants by default anyway. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 15:40:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA04669 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04612 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indy.net.indy.net (jrclark@indy1.indy.net [199.3.65.5]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA03651 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:39:52 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960522214416.0068fda4@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:44:16 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org From: John Clark Subject: Bad position of prompt after login Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I was wondering if someone could help me understand the way the tcsh shell prompt is positioned. I have a motd file that is about 15 lines long, and after it is printed, the cursor is placed on line 25. Since I have a 32 line display, this clobbers the motd. Not so bad on a 25 line display, it just goes to the bottom, however, all other unix tcsh shells just move one line forward of the current position to place the prompt. I have looked through the .cshrc and .login files for the culprit, but it would seem to be a function of the BSD tcsh itself. After pouring over the login.c source code, I see it is not there either. Is anyone familiar with this? If I su from line 32, it sticks the prompt always at line 25, and I have to look to see the prompt. I do not want to put a clear statement into the startup script, as that is a poor solution. I am emulating a vt220, and other unicies have no trouble detecting proper screen size. What to do... Thanks, --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 15:56:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA05887 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prop (prop.caribnet.net [205.214.195.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05839 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:56:21 -0400 (AST) From: Sean Batson To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE:earth quake Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I know this is out of forum but can someone verify if there was a minor earth quake in california? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 16:34:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA08919 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garnet.metapath.com (garnet.swn.com [204.57.206.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA08902 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quixote.medapath.com (dugger@quixote.metapath.com [204.57.206.105]) by garnet.metapath.com (8.6.12/960405.1650-dah) with SMTP id QAA01140 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:31:30 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Dugger Reply-To: Don Dugger Subject: New domaain name To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The company I work for changed it's name and along with it our domain name. The problem is I'm on most if not all the FreeBSD lists, for now it will find me at the old address. This however will not last. Is there a way to send mail to majordomo and have it change it on all the lists it controls. Any help ...THX Don 8) --------------------------------------------------------------- Don Dugger | e-mail: dugger@metapath.com Sr. Software Engineer | Voice: (206) 885-0088 Metapath | Fax: (206) 885-1087 15379 NE 90th Street | WWW: Coming Soon Redmond, WA. 98052 USA | --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 16:35:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA09090 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mispwoso.nosc.mil (mispwoso.nosc.mil [198.253.27.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09084 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from huck@localhost) by mispwoso.nosc.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA01671 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:35:54 -0400 From: Craig Huckabee Message-Id: <199605222335.TAA01671@mispwoso.nosc.mil> Subject: rdist on local machine To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Questions) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:35:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Configuration: One FreeBSD 2.1 RELEASE server running a web server for 3 virtual hosts. I've bound each host's IP address to my network card using 'ifconfig alias'. Problem: One of the 3 virtual hosts used to be on a seperate machine. It was used as a development server, so Web pages could be built and tested before being moved to a 'live' public server. I used scripts that used 'rdist' to move files from a staging area to the 'live' server. I've consolidated all of the Web services onto one master server, using 'virtual hosts' for everything. Now I can't get 'rdist' to work with the virtual hosts. For example : The machine's name is mispwoso, one virtual hostname is products. mispwoso> rdist -Ryc /u0/stage_area/ products:/u0/products/ This fails with a 'rcmd : Unrecognized error : 0' Is there a way to make rdist work or is there an easy way to get the same functionality from some other combination of tools? Am I missing something obvious here? Any help is appreciated, Craig huck@nosc.mil From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 16:38:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA09527 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pp.tordata.se ([194.23.40.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09492 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.23.40.21] by pp.tordata.se (post.office MTA v1.9.1 ID# 0-12511) with SMTP id AAA43 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 01:39:00 +0200 Message-ID: <31A4250B.6A3B@tordata.se> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:42:51 -0700 From: ejka@tordata.se (EJKA Konsult AB) Organization: EJKA Konsult AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: login via modem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me how to enable remote logins to my FreeBSD system via a modem. I have a modem (28800) on the first connection (P1) on a Bocca 16 box, /dev/ttyd1. I have tryed for several ours to get the bastard to connect. In the other end i use the same cind of modem and a procom plus in windows with VT100 terminal. I have turned ttyd1 on and use "getty std.57600" but all I get is rubbish when the modem auto-answers. Any ideas on what could be wrong? Do I need a fancy stty command? jerker From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 16:44:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA10161 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pdx1 (pdx1.world.net [192.243.32.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10149 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merix.merix.com (merix.com [198.145.172.40]) by pdx1 (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA05274 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:45:25 -0700 Received: from sandy.merix.com by merix.merix.com (4.1/1.1) id AA07731; Wed, 22 May 96 16:44:00 PDT Received: by sandy.merix.com (4.1/8.0) id AA12605; Wed, 22 May 96 16:41:42 PDT Date: Wed, 22 May 96 16:41:42 PDT Subject: Remote dial-in/dial-out solutions?? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Troy Curtiss Message-Id: Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anybody out there set up a corporate dialin/dialout modem pool using a dedicated terminal server or the likes? Right now, I have a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 box answering phones doing simple PPP and such, but now we want to graduate to a dedicated terminal server (in hardware). I have seen products from Xylogics (remote annex servers) and Livingston (Portmaster series)... Anybody out there give me some more pointers on what's good (or conversely, who to stay away from...) Thanks in advance.... -Troy PS: A little bragging... The 'FreeBSD terminal server' has been continuously up & running flawlessly for the last 132 days (only power outtages kill it :) -- /-----------------------------------------------------------\ | Troy Curtiss, HW/SW Engineer | Email: troyc@merix.com | | Merix Corporation, F8-208 | Phone: (503) 359-9300 x54500 | | Forest Grove, OR 97116 | Fax : (503) 359-1624 | \-----------------------------------------------------------/ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 16:44:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA10156 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thecore.com (guardian.thecore.com [206.136.149.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10136; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.136.149.153] (cybrid.thecore.com [206.136.149.153]) by thecore.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA04754; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: sfinn@guardian.thecore.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:45:52 -0500 To: "Gary Palmer" , Glen Foster From: sfinn@thecore.com (Shaun Finn) Subject: Re: runaway processes Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:00 PM 5/22/96, Gary Palmer wrote: >Glen Foster wrote in message ID ><199605222016.QAA00568@ptavv.nsta.org>: >> When a user logs off without exiting pine the processes begin using >> lots of CPU and cannot be killed with -INT. Has a fix or workaround >> been developed for this? (Yeah, I know, don't run pine :-)! > >This is a bug in pine. Try ``kill -9 ''. That should do it nicely >:-) There is an update to pine (if I remember), but the new version >may have other problems too... We have used pine 3.91 thru 3.93 and the problem persists ;-) Even rtin 1.3 950824BETA PL0 displays this behavior. +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Shaun M. Finn TechnoCore Communications, Inc. | | sfinn@thecore.com P.O. Box 106 | | (908)928-7400 FAX:(908)928-7402 Jackson, NJ 08527-0106 | +------------------- http://www.thecore.com/ ----------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 16:57:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA11368 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dwx1.dwx.com (dwx1.dwx.com [198.207.230.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11362 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from black101.dwx.com (sl-dwx-1-05.dsm.dwx.net [198.207.231.21]) by dwx1.dwx.com (8.7.3/8.7.2) with SMTP id SAA19450 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:56:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <31A3AB0F.5A13@dwx.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:02:23 -0500 From: Jason Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Where is it? X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can you tell me where is the actual Linux OS or/and Freebsd systems? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:01:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA11711 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11700 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA28957 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:01:31 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id aa22324; 23 May 96 0:57 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa20722; 23 May 96 0:50 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA02279; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:02:15 GMT Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:02:15 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605222202.WAA02279@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: june@adn.edu.ph CC: questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (june@adn.edu.ph) Subject: Re: Missing /usr/ports subdirectories Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I noticed that I don't have the /usr/ports subdirectories. I have > read from a lot of e-mails that in there are contained the ports > collection. I installed the 2.2-960501-SNAP distribution and I guess it > was not there. Is there a way I could get the ports collection with > manually FTP-ing each and every subdirs in the download site? In fact, each port is just a skeleton - when you type 'make', it pulls down the source from the CD or by FTP, saving you from having to download all the source for every single port. Clever eh? 8-) Also, FreeBSD's FTP server supports on-the-fly archiving and compression, so you can do something like:- $ ftp ftp.freebsd.org # Or a local mirror > cd /where/the/ports/live > get audio.tar.gz # FTP server will tar & gzip the audio ports > quit $ tar xzvf audio.tar.gz to get all the audio ports at once! -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland jraynard@dial.pipex.com james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:04:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA12052 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (root@sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12038 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by sili.adn.edu.ph (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA00127 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:37:58 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:37:58 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: "Francis Percival C. Favoreal" To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe freebsd-questions staff@adn.edu.ph From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:07:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA12210 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12200 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06138; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:50:41 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605230020.JAA06138@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: CRON: it loves me To: dan@dpcsys.com (Dan Busarow) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:50:39 +0930 (CST) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dan Busarow" at May 22, 96 10:19:54 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dan Busarow stands accused of saying: > > If there really is a reason for root to use /etc/crontab vs. crontab(1) > I think it should be documented somewhere. And I'd like to hear what > the reasons are even if they never get formally documented. /etc/crontab lets you nominate who the entries are run _as_. It's useful for general system configuration tasks. Personal crontabs run jobs as their owners. They're good for personal tasks. The two complement each other. > Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:08:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA12474 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (root@sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA12285 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by sili.adn.edu.ph (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA00195 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 07:41:16 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 07:41:16 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: "Francis Percival C. Favoreal" To: freebsd-questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-questions info@adn.edu.ph From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:14:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA12792 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12784 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA06180; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:58:31 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605230028.JAA06180@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Does this mean what I think it does? To: kurto@tiny.mcs.usu.edu (Kurt Olsen) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:58:30 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605221856.MAA06908@tiny.mcs.usu.edu> from "Kurt Olsen" at May 22, 96 12:56:36 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kurt Olsen stands accused of saying: > > > Hi, I just recently picked up a pentium machine with a large EIDE drive in > it. On my first install I got a bunch of these: > > May 22 06:50:19 myname /kernel: wd0s3f: hard error reading fsbn 1012831 of > 1012830-1012831 (wd0s3 bn 1336415; cn 331 tn 28 sn 59)wd0: status > 59 error 40 Yes. All the errors you listed have the same block number as the culprit; I suspect that you'll either have to use 'badsect' to map it out or, as I would do, send the disk back. If you have 'quite a few' bad sectors, I'd be insisting on a new disk. > Kurt Olsen -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:19:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13083 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13078 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA06230; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:03:56 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605230033.KAA06230@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: problem with xv and aero ports To: amir@ns.calyx.com (Amir Rosenblatt) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:03:56 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605221952.PAA12754@mojo.calyx.com> from "Amir Rosenblatt" at May 22, 96 03:51:59 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amir Rosenblatt stands accused of saying: > > .include > > > I'm assuming the problem stems from my having installed the current > version of GNU make, which seems to not like that syntax. Any suggestions? Don't try to use GNU make to build ports. If the port requires GNU make, it will invoke it at the correct time; until then use a real make. (I don't actually think that's your problem though; the error message you quoted looks like a BSD make error...) > -Amir > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:25:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13568 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA13563 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA24500; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:24:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: Sean Batson Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE:earth quake In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I know this is out of forum but can someone verify if > there was a minor earth quake in california? Heh...yesterday, 21-May. 4.8 on the Richter scale over in east San Jose. Brian From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:25:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13694 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13688 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA06246 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:10:05 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605230040.KAA06246@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Goodbye for a while (fish? nobody gave me any fish!) To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:10:04 +0930 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... and as for glassware. Never mind. I'm sorry to have to do this, but with the current state of my work and study commitments, I need to find some more time in my day. I've already given up on sleep, so freebsd-questions is next on the list. I'll still be around, and I'm certainly not abandoning FreeBSD 8) It's been fun, and someday I hope I'll have time for it to be fun again, so this is 'so long', but not 'farewell'. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:26:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13724 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (root@dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13713 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu (waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.23]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id RAA06411 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (harr9446@localhost) by waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) id RAA09394; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 17:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: MICHAEL HARRISON To: questions@freebsd.com Subject: Re: Hardware support - X windows (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Questions I have a Diamond Multimedia Stealth 2201TV PCI 1280x1024 NI 2mb Dram "S3 TrioV (765)." SVGA video adapter. What are the settings for the config file for X Windows unders FreeBSD. Mike From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:30:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA14395 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au (falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au [147.109.1.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14370 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdd.pacit.tas.gov.au (sdd.pacit.tas.gov.AU [147.109.2.93]) by falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au (8.7.1/8.7) with SMTP id KAA15511 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:26:45 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960523003418.0069d110@147.109.1.8> X-Sender: sdd@147.109.1.8 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 10:34:18 +1000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Scott Donovan Subject: Missing Disk Space (df -k) Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk /dev/sd2s1 8740426 8054724 -13534 100% /u3 Okay.. Where has my missing 700Mbytes gone ? Anyone got any ideas.. Or is this just a symptom of a sick file store? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:49:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA16957 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16934; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA29344 ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:49:06 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ab22324; 23 May 96 0:57 +0100 Received: from jraynard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.42.77]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa20822; 23 May 96 0:51 +0100 Received: (from fqueries@localhost) by jraynard.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.12) id VAA01588; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:38:08 GMT Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:38:08 GMT From: James Raynard Message-Id: <199605222138.VAA01588@jraynard.demon.co.uk> To: mwhite+@cmu.edu CC: questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <8lcYVbu00YUq0RtAxR@andrew.cmu.edu> (message from Matthew Jason White on Tue, 21 May 1996 18:49:11 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Top not functioning Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmmm...I've also had problems with top, but my problem is somewhat > different (I figured out the recompile part). When I run top, I get: > > Swap: 131M Total, 131M Used, 100% Inuse Yep, I had this as well when I re-compiled top under -current, but using the -release port (with a couple of hacks to get it to compile). I downloaded the latest port (still the same version of top, so you don't need to get the source again) from ports-current and it works fine now. Hope this helps. -- James Raynard, Edinburgh, Scotland jraynard@dial.pipex.com james@jraynard.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 17:55:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17768 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17757 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 17:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA11069; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:09:10 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605230109.SAA11069@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: Complaint To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kasturi@teil.soft.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605222115.OAA05048@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 22, 96 02:15:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk . . . > Then when you get dropped, use "reget" to restart the download where > it left off. You *could* use "reget" on the file as it currently > sits, without much trouble. I'm curious about this last note. I had never noticed this command before (I got used to ftp using Novell's LAN WorkPlace for DOS which probably didn't support this feature -- or possibly just failed to document it). Is this also support in ncftp? Is it supported in lynx? (I suppose it would have to be "transparent" or "interactive" since I've never seen them listed in the man pages or help files for either of these -- and a quick search on 'reget' didn't turn anything up). I'm also curious as to whether webservers or clients support such a request through http. A friend of mine mentioned that he'd seen something in one of his http access logs that suggested that some client was attemting to specify a byte offset into a file (using something like GET foo/bar.gif:xxxx or GET foo/bar.gif;xxxx -- I don't remember). Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:09:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA19906 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VNET.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [199.171.26.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19901 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ATLSER by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 9271; Wed, 22 May 96 21:09:10 EDT Received: by ATLSER (XAGENTA 4.0) id 5242; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:08:47 -0400 Received: by remailer.atlissc.ibm.com (OUTERMAI.CMD/2.1 by epc) id outermai.747 Received: from wposmtp.atlissc.ibm.com by remailer.atlissc.ibm.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA2738; Wed, 22 May 96 21:08:25 -0700 Received: from ISSC-Message_Server by wposmtp.atlissc.ibm.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:08:06 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:07:18 -0400 From: "Larry Swift" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: atlantic.c (utility for AT/LANTIC DP83905 based ethernet) Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk compile problems I have been sent a utility for working with a mystery ethernet card. The purpose of this utility is to help me set the EEConfig information for said card. It was supposedly written for Linux systems, and I'm having a bugger of a time getting it to work on FreeBSD. The final stumbling block is a call to ioperm() that I can't seem to find anywhere on my 2.1-R system. Thanx in advance for all the great support! -L. K. Swift _________________________________________________________ ISSC Atlanta, Dept. EZBB (404) 238-5375 (T/L 888) VNET ID: swift@atlpo2 Internet: swift@vnet.ibm.com _________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:23:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA21543 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (root@sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21523 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by sili.adn.edu.ph (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA00619 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 08:55:31 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:55:31 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: "Francis Percival C. Favoreal" To: freebsd-questions Subject: Can't Seem To Find The Patches Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HI !!! I was trying to port bash. The distribution is already in /usr/ports/distfiles and the port files in /usr/ports/shells/bash. When I typed 'make'. It first uncompressed the distribution and next it tried to apply the patches but in the process of doing this, it displayed 'I cannot seem to find the patches'. How can I get rid of this? -- jf From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:30:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22367 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22329 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id SAA29588 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:29:37 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id CAA12277; Thu, 23 May 1996 02:27:25 +0100 (BST) To: Amir Rosenblatt cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: problem with xv and aero ports In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 15:51:59 EDT." <199605221952.PAA12754@mojo.calyx.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 02:27:24 +0100 Message-ID: <12275.832814844@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amir Rosenblatt wrote in message ID <199605221952.PAA12754@mojo.calyx.com>: > I'm assuming the problem stems from my having installed the current > version of GNU make, which seems to not like that syntax. Any suggestions? Ugh. Don't use GNU make, use /usr/bin/make. They have different syntaxes and are basically incompatabile if you start using the advanced features (i.e. what most people do). If you have GNU make installed as `make' in /usr/local/bin, rename it to gmake or you'll just continue to run into troubles. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:36:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23309 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23302; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA11128; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:50:10 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605230150.SAA11128@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, branson@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605220126.SAA02769@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at May 21, 96 06:26:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > There is no such thing as a fair, unbiased, > > treatment of this area, which is often considered a nearly religous > > issue, and treated with much fanatacism by some). > > Not to mention, the fanatics will just fix whatever you point at > as bad in their product, or add whatever it is you say is good > in their opponents product, and then flame you for being out of > date. Terry, More power to the "fanatics!" If "fanatics" on both sides take the "good" from each other, and genuinely stamp out the "bad" then both sides will win. Obviously the real controversy lies in determining which features are "good" and which are "bad." The real problem with your scenario is the assumption that the features and bugs are introduced solely by design. I'd argue that some of the distinguishing features (and bugs) in each camp are due to the process rather than the design. Consider the FreeBSD development process (which you undoubtedly know far more about than I do): A fairly small number of people communicate fairly closely via e-mail. The project shares a CVS tree. The stated objective is to produce a stable, state of the art derivative of the BSD Unix for the PC platform (pretty well-defined). There is *one* "distribution." Consider the Linux model: A fairly large number of people dabble in development of a large number of different little projects. These people occasionally communicate via a large number of mailing lists and newsgroups (with more action in Netnews than over ML channels). One person (Linus Torvalds) maintains the main source tree -- which just covers the kernel. Many people publish kernel patches (some of which are submitted to Linus). A couple of dozen individuals and groups combine this kernel (with whatever patches they like) and a large variety of ported applications and utilities into "distributions" (a uniquely Linux term). There is no single stated objective. The most commonly cited goal among Linux hackers is to have a "fun" free OS with lots of "cool" features and apps to "play" with on their PC's. It's a very laissez-faire and anarchial group. Some people have suggested that Linus' work is more valuable as a "social experiment in anarchy" than it is as an OS. I agree -- and I don't mean to denigrate the quality of Linux in any way by this. Because of these fundamental differences in attitude, objective and process it doesn't matter how much one group steals from another -- the two will remain distinct and unique. (Now one could argue that some group *within* the Linux community could attempt to adopt the FreeBSD model and apply it. Some group might. That wouldn't affect the overall state of Linux affairs -- it would basically be yet another Linux distribution (yald???)) Overall I'd say the cross fertilization is good. I suspect that you'll see a lot more people who start with Linux and move to FreeBSD than vice-versa. Part of this is because of three shelves of Linux (not Unix -- *Linux* books down at the local "Barnes and Noble" and at the "WaldenBooks" and "Dalton's" and other "mainstream" bookstores -- most of which have a pathetically out of date CD glued to the inside back cover. Part of it is because Linux is discussed widely in newsgroups. Part of it is even becuase Linux has problems and limitations that are unique to it (while most FreeBSD questions don't show up in "other" newsgroups because the behaviour is so similar to other BSD's). A good chunk of it is because, as Linus Torvalds himself said: "Linux has a cool name." But I think that most of it is simply because Linux users are more evangelical than FreeBSD'ers and NetBSD'ers. Most Linux users are coming from DOS/Windows. Anyone that likes Linux (after coming out of the "dark" as it were) is very likely to be talking to other "WinDOSers" (and anyone that doesn't like it will likely throw it away and forget about it -- most of those users probably wouldn't like BSD any better). New FreeBSD users seem to come from two main sources: People who have been using RISC or SPARC workstations, or other non-PC platforms -- and then decide that they want to have something "like" their work environment on the machine at home or at their desk. People who've been using Linux and have gotten frustrated with something (or several somethings) that don't work "together" (that ugly "integration" problem again). (Note: I'm not talking about new FreeBSD installations! One FreeBSD user might convert a dozen installations over in the course of a year and might install a dozen more -- most of the "users" of these systems won't know or care what OS is on the host (most of them will be hitting it only as a webserver, a POP server, etc by "FreeBSD users" I'm referring to enthusiasts rather than entries in a passwd file). Anyway, I'm sure I've said more than enough about this. I may put a comparison page on my pages at starshine.org yet. I'm saving copies of this mail thread for source if I do. Jim Dennis, System Administrator, McAfee Associates From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:46:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24356 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24351 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA11150; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:59:32 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605230159.SAA11150@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: Re: rdist on local machine To: huck@mispwoso.nosc.mil (Craig Huckabee) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605222335.TAA01671@mispwoso.nosc.mil> from "Craig Huckabee" at May 22, 96 07:35:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Configuration: > One FreeBSD 2.1 RELEASE server running a web server for 3 virtual hosts. > I've bound each host's IP address to my network card using 'ifconfig alias'. > Problem: > One of the 3 virtual hosts used to be on a seperate machine. It was used > as a development server, so Web pages could be built and tested before > being moved to a 'live' public server. I used scripts that used 'rdist' > to move files from a staging area to the 'live' server. > I've consolidated all of the Web services onto one master server, using > 'virtual hosts' for everything. > > Now I can't get 'rdist' to work with the virtual hosts. For example : > The machine's name is mispwoso, one virtual hostname is products. > mispwoso> rdist -Ryc /u0/stage_area/ products:/u0/products/ > This fails with a 'rcmd : Unrecognized error : 0' > > Is there a way to make rdist work or is there an easy way to get the > same functionality from some other combination of tools? > Am I missing something obvious here? Why not just use 'find | xargs cp' or the old 'tar cf - ./* | (cd $target && tar xpf -)' construct (I'm sure that some sort of switches could be added to that to make it "incremental") If the files are just being moved/copied to new locations on the local hard disks (or even across NFS) it seems like rdist is overkill. > Any help is appreciated, What happens if you try to "rlogin" to the other virtual host(s)? What about "rsh $vhost 'which rdist'" (can you rsh, and can your rsh environment "see" the copy of rdist)? What does your distfile look like? (I use rdist from my internal host to my ftphosts and will be adding my webhost(s) to the mix pretty soon However I suggest that you consider running it through 'ssh' rather than 'rsh') > Craig > huck@nosc.mil From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:50:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24636 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24631 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lenzi ([200.247.248.110]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id SAA05810 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lenzi@localhost) by lenzi (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA00601; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:47:37 -0300 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:47:31 -0300 (EST) From: "Lenzi, Sergio" X-Sender: lenzi@lenzi To: Stephen Hovey cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ingres In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Stephen Hovey wrote: > > > Does any one who where a port of ingres for freebsd can be found? Im > having a heck of a wrestling match trying to get it to compile. > Hello Stephen, I have a package of the system already compiled, It runs on a 2.1 system. Can be found by ftp anonymous at: ftp://ftp.bsi.com.br/pub/FreeBSD/bsi/ingresbin.tgz or the sources ftp://ftp.bsi.com.br/pub/FreeBSD/bsi/ingrssrc.tgz Warning: Databases from other compiled versions may be incompatible with this version I made. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:55:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25038 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25033 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richardc@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA26917; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:55:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Veggy Vinny To: Sean Batson cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE:earth quake In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Sean Batson wrote: Hi Sean, > I know this is out of forum but can someone verify if > there was a minor earth quake in california? Yes, there is and here is the report: ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From Jonathan.Hawkins@Eng Tue May 21 14:13 PDT 1996 Subject: Earthquake Report To: alleng@Sun.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Earthquake Report. On 96/05/21 at 20:50:20 there was an Earthquake of the magitude of 4.7 located 16 km East of San Jose (37.36N 121.72W). The depth was 7.8 km. Jonathan Hawkins ----- End Included Message ----- Cheers, -Vince- richardc@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU - vince@COSC.GOV - vince@cygnus.sy.yale.edu GUS Mailing Lists Admin - http://www.COSC.GOV/~vince UC Berkeley AstroPhysics (B.S.) - Electrical Engineering (Honorary B.S.) Chabot Observatory & Science Center - Oakland, California USA Computing Networking Operations - Advisory Council Member Running FreeBSD - Real UN*X for Free! Linda Wong/Vivian Chow/Hacken Lee/Danny Chan/Priscilla Chan Fan Club Mailing Lists Admin 1996 Estoril Blue BMW ///M3 - BMW CCA Member Golden Gate Chapter From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:56:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25141 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.edmweb.com (bitbucket.edmweb.com [204.244.190.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25126 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bitbucket.edmweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00490; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:56:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 18:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Reid To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: syslog.conf questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to get syslog to log messages from pppd to a seperate file (/var/log/pppd). The man page for syslog.conf says I need to use "!pppd" to log messages from that program, but I can't get it to work- nothing appears in the /var/log/pppd file. Also, how can I set up two machines so that they share each other's messages? I've tried something like this: On Kirk: *.warning;kern.debug;auth.info;mark.info /var/log/messages *.warning;kern.debug;auth.info;mark.info @spock On Spock: *.warning;kern.debug;auth.info;mark.info /var/log/messages *.warning;kern.debug;auth.info;mark.info @kirk The problem is, one machine recieves a message from the other, it logs the message and sends it back, causing the messages to be bounced back and forth forever. Very ugly. Using FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE on both machines. ===================================================================== | Steve Reid - SysAdmin & Pres, EDM Web (http://www.edmweb.com/) | | Email: steve@edmweb.com Home Page: http://www.edmweb.com/steve/ | | PGP (2048/9F317269) Fingerprint: 11C89D1CD67287E68C09EC52443F8830 | | -- Disclaimer: JMHO, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, IANAL. -- | ===================================================================:) From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 18:58:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25337 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mispwoso.nosc.mil (mispwoso.nosc.mil [198.253.27.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25327 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 18:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from huck@localhost) by mispwoso.nosc.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA02196; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:57:03 -0400 From: Craig Huckabee Message-Id: <199605230157.VAA02196@mispwoso.nosc.mil> Subject: Re: rdist on local machine To: jimd@mistery.mcafee.com (Jim Dennis) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 21:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605230159.SAA11150@mistery.mcafee.com> from "Jim Dennis" at May 22, 96 06:59:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Apparently it's been a case of I/O error - idiot operator. As long as I use the real name of the host things work fine. My tests didn't catch that because I was using the /tmp area as a test area like 'rdist -Ryc /test/foo mispwoso:/tmp/foo2' and the R option would wipe the temporary file used by rdist and spit out an error. I could hit myself with a pipe for missing that. I do like the solution suggested below - I may experiment with that and switch later. For now I've just modified my script to use the real host name and boom everything works as before. Thanks, Craig Suggestions below by Jim Dennis (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com) : > > Configuration: > > > One FreeBSD 2.1 RELEASE server running a web server for 3 virtual hosts. > > I've bound each host's IP address to my network card using 'ifconfig alias'. > > Problem: > > One of the 3 virtual hosts used to be on a seperate machine. It was used > > as a development server, so Web pages could be built and tested before > > being moved to a 'live' public server. I used scripts that used 'rdist' > > to move files from a staging area to the 'live' server. > > I've consolidated all of the Web services onto one master server, using > > 'virtual hosts' for everything. > > > > Now I can't get 'rdist' to work with the virtual hosts. For example : > > The machine's name is mispwoso, one virtual hostname is products. > > mispwoso> rdist -Ryc /u0/stage_area/ products:/u0/products/ > > This fails with a 'rcmd : Unrecognized error : 0' > > > > Is there a way to make rdist work or is there an easy way to get the > > same functionality from some other combination of tools? > > Am I missing something obvious here? > > Why not just use 'find | xargs cp' or the old > 'tar cf - ./* | (cd $target && tar xpf -)' construct > > (I'm sure that some sort of switches could > be added to that to make it "incremental") > > If the files are just being moved/copied to new locations > on the local hard disks (or even across NFS) it seems like > rdist is overkill. > > > Any help is appreciated, > > What happens if you try to "rlogin" to the other virtual > host(s)? What about "rsh $vhost 'which rdist'" (can you > rsh, and can your rsh environment "see" the copy of > rdist)? What does your distfile look like? > > (I use rdist from my internal host to my ftphosts and > will be adding my webhost(s) to the mix pretty soon > However I suggest that you consider running it > through 'ssh' rather than 'rsh') > > > Craig > > huck@nosc.mil From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 19:02:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25632 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (root@sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25624 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sili.adn.edu.ph (sili.adn.edu.ph [165.220.57.2]) by sili.adn.edu.ph (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA00963 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:35:02 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:35:02 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: "Francis Percival C. Favoreal" To: freebsd-questions Subject: Terminal Colors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HI !!! Is there a way to see colors on my monitor? I was planning to try porting ls of GNU. Would that be the answer? Thank you ~:') -- jf From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 19:10:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26579 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26573 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA01038 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001033; Wed May 22 19:09:59 1996 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA10682 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:09:58 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199605230209.TAA10682@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: stack trace library? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 19:09:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does there exist a library with routines that a program (linked with -g) can use for doing stack crawls? For example, suppose you signal(SIGSEGV, CatchBug); Then when CatchBug() is called, you want the program to display a stack trace from the point at which the signal occurred, a la gdb's "where" command. Then we could have self debugging programs! :-) CatchBug() might look something like this: extern void StabsSignalTrace(FILE *fp, struct sigcontext *ctx); void CatchBug(int sig, struct sigcontext *ctx) { warnx("caught fatal signal %s", sys_signame[sig]); warnx("please email bug report to xxx@foo.com with this trace:"); StabsSignalTrace(stderr, ctx); exit(1); } If there's no such library, is this possible and/or do-able? -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie L. Cobbs, archie@whistle.com * Whistle Communications Corporation From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 19:32:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA28675 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cicerone.uunet.ca (root@cicerone.uunet.ca [142.77.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28669 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 19:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dwarf.all-niter.org ([142.77.242.6]) by mail.uunet.ca with SMTP id <115530-139>; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:32:37 -0400 X-Sender: grimcon.grimmettj@142.77.1.254 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: John Grimmett Subject: Problems with the 2.2 snapshot install Message-Id: <96May22.223237edt.115530-139@mail.uunet.ca> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:32:37 -0400 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Just got the FreeBSD 2.2 Snapshot cd and I am having problems getting the install going. When I boot the 2.2 boot floppy image, the normal FreeBSD installation menu appears and, at first, appears to behave normally. As soon as you begin to move the cursor with the cursor keys (after 3 to 8 key strokes) the keyboard response freezes and you are then unable move to any selection. Using the sequence it is possible to view the pty screen and it reveals a message that reads: panic:unwire:page not in pmap. I don't recall ever seeing this message before and the problem resists a solution to the point where I am unable install this release. The hardware that I am using here has run FreeBSD for about a year without any problems until now. Please offer any suggestions that seem relevant. Thanx, John From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 20:11:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02767 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02755 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA06121; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:04:30 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605230304.UAA06121@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Complaint To: jimd@mistery.mcafee.com (Jim Dennis) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:04:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, kasturi@teil.soft.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605230109.SAA11069@mistery.mcafee.com> from "Jim Dennis" at May 22, 96 06:09:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Then when you get dropped, use "reget" to restart the download where > > it left off. You *could* use "reget" on the file as it currently > > sits, without much trouble. > > I'm curious about this last note. I had never noticed this > command before (I got used to ftp using Novell's LAN WorkPlace > for DOS which probably didn't support this feature -- or > possibly just failed to document it). Probably not supported; it's not terribly used for ASCI mode between dissimilar systems. Most servers were UNIX when LAN WorkPlace came out originally. > files for either of these -- and a quick search on 'reget' > didn't turn anything up). % ftp ftp> help reget reget get file restarting at end of local file ftp> quit % > I'm also curious as to whether webservers or clients support > such a request through http. A friend of mine mentioned that > he'd seen something in one of his http access logs that > suggested that some client was attemting to specify a byte > offset into a file (using something like GET foo/bar.gif:xxxx or > GET foo/bar.gif;xxxx -- I don't remember). I know that you can restart at a particular offset in FTP itself; it uses the length of the existing file (if any) and starts from there. I don't know if any of the http tools support it. I doubt it; they'd need a complexity increment to be able to get it. I don't know how it gets to the reget address on the server; if it does it by reading, then autocompress/autotar output will work; if it does it by seeking, then you are probably screwed if you use those features. There's a new ftp working group starting up (they seem to care only about making the list command GUI-friendly right now), but you could join the list and comment. I think the list announcement was posted only a couple of days ago to the BSD news groups and to comp.protocols.ftp or something like that... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 20:12:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03144 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03135 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA06144; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:06:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605230306.UAA06144@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Missing Disk Space (df -k) To: sdd@ccd.tas.gov.au (Scott Donovan) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:06:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960523003418.0069d110@147.109.1.8> from "Scott Donovan" at May 23, 96 10:34:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > /dev/sd2s1 8740426 8054724 -13534 100% /u3 > > Okay.. Where has my missing 700Mbytes gone ? > > Anyone got any ideas.. Or is this just a symptom of a sick file store? It's in your overdraft. man newfs (but don't run it). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 20:14:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03353 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03339 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA06153; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:09:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605230309.UAA06153@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: login via modem To: ejka@tordata.se (EJKA Konsult AB) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:09:22 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <31A4250B.6A3B@tordata.se> from "EJKA Konsult AB" at May 23, 96 01:42:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can anyone tell me how to enable remote logins to my FreeBSD system via > a modem. I have a modem (28800) on the first connection (P1) on a Bocca 16 box, /dev/ttyd1. I have tryed for several ours to > get the bastard to connect. In the other end i use the same cind of modem and a procom plus in windows with VT100 terminal. > I have turned ttyd1 on and use "getty std.57600" but all I get is rubbish when the modem auto-answers. > > Any ideas on what could be wrong? Do I need a fancy stty command? Did you lock the modem->computer port speed on the modem at 57k as well? The getty won't prompt (or set the speed) until the DCD is raised by the modem (assuming you have the modem set up correctly to "DCD follows remote carrier" instead "DCD forced high" or something else. You can lock the port baud rate (but you don't need to; getty will change it for you when DCD is raised) using the /etc/rc.serial file. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 20:24:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA04653 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoover.stanford.edu (hoover.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04644 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #13307) id <01I50P5WJ1QO006LPQ@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson Subject: Re: RE:earth quake To: valtech@caribnet.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <01I50P5WJUOI006LPQ@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"valtech@caribnet.net" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"freebsd-questions@freebsd.org",ANDRSN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I know this is out of forum but can someone verify if >there was a minor earth quake in california? Yes, 1:50 p.m. Tuesday, 4.7 on the Richter scale, Calaveras fault, Northern California (epicenter ten miles East of San Jose), one fire, one injury. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 20:52:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA07950 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mnemosyne.muse.com.au ([203.26.7.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA07922 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erato.muse.com.au (erato.muse.com.au [203.26.7.37]) by mnemosyne.muse.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA29158 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:51:53 +1000 Message-ID: <31A3D209.6150@tassie.net.au> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:48:41 +1100 From: Richard Beyer Organization: Muse Productions. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Compiling NCSA HTTPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I was wondering if anyone could mail me the instructions for compiling NCSA HTTPd 1.5.1. Reading through the instructions at http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ hasn't gotten me very far. Cheers, Richard. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 21:12:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA10214 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10202 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id FAA13012; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:12:25 +0100 (BST) To: Alain FAUCONNET cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 May 1996 12:38:46 BST." <199605221138.AA17317@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 05:12:24 +0100 Message-ID: <13010.832824744@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Alain FAUCONNET wrote in message ID <199605221138.AA17317@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr>: > * Availability of pre-compiled binaries and ports for non-commercial software: > Linux +10, FreeBSD 0 One comment about this. Linux is schitzophrenic (or however you spell it). It has a mixture of Sys V and BSD in it, and that sometimes leads to porting problems. Perhaps there are so many pre-compiled `.tgz' files for linux as it's more difficult to port s/w to linux than to a BSD derrivative? Quite a few of the ports that I've seen done (and are in the ports collection) don't even need patching, they compile out of the box, and without needing special ``FreeBSD'' ifdefs in the Makefiles or source code... It helps to have a heritage... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 21:35:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA12050 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au (falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au [147.109.1.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12020 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdd.pacit.tas.gov.au (sdd.pacit.tas.gov.AU [147.109.2.93]) by falcon.pacit.tas.gov.au (8.7.1/8.7) with SMTP id OAA12763 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:30:38 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960523043813.00739594@147.109.1.8> X-Sender: sdd@147.109.1.8 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:38:13 +1000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Scott Donovan Subject: Mailing List Lag Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I am noticing some major lag in the freebsd-questions mail list, I currently receive 4-5 answers to my posts before I actually see my post.. This is great.. I get answers before I ask the question :-) However, did anything come to light of "spreading" the distribution network for the mail lists? Cheers, Scott D. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 21:46:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13700 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from udgserv.cencar.udg.mx (udgserv.cencar.udg.mx [148.202.3.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13695 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by udgserv.cencar.udg.mx (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20466; Wed, 22 May 96 23:46:40 CST Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 23:46:40 -0600 (CST) From: Victor Hugo Velasco Esparza To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: SNAPSHOT.. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all: I have a question, SNAPSHOT 2.2 CD version come with ports, full install, X11, everthing?? or just a OS? ]=------------ ------ --- - -- - - -- - --- ------ ------------=[ Victor Hugo Velasco Esparza vvelasco@udgserv.cencar.udg.mx BBS administrator. CoSysOp club.gdl.iteso.mx (148.201.1.18) Unix Operator Quaker of Mexico orcpvv01@qbmexico (Intranet) ]=------------ ------ --- - -- - - -- - --- ------ ------------=[ Turning PCs into workstations.. FreeBSD Human Energy into Information Technology.. Origin From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 21:59:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA15051 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fyeung5.netific.com (netific.vip.best.com [205.149.182.145]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA15046 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 21:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fyeung@localhost) by fyeung5.netific.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA17501 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:05:10 GMT From: francis yeung Message-Id: <199605222205.WAA17501@fyeung5.netific.com> Subject: libc source To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:05:10 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greeting, Where can I locate libc.a source ? thx. Francis From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 22:04:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA15754 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15732 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA07249; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:49:15 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605230519.OAA07249@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: stack trace library? To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:49:14 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605230209.TAA10682@bubba.whistle.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at May 22, 96 07:09:56 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Archie Cobbs stands accused of saying: > > Does there exist a library with routines that a program (linked with -g) > can use for doing stack crawls? 'man nlist' may help. > For example, suppose you > > signal(SIGSEGV, CatchBug); > > Then when CatchBug() is called, you want the program to display a > stack trace from the point at which the signal occurred, a la gdb's > "where" command. Then we could have self debugging programs! :-) Note that it would probably almost as easy to fork off a subprocess, start gdb and attach it to the offending process, run a few commands in it, detach it and exit. > -Archie -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 22:13:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16613 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16607; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA00930 ; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:13:19 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA07307; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:56:14 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605230526.OAA07307@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: runaway processes To: sfinn@thecore.com (Shaun Finn) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:56:12 +0930 (CST) Cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, gfoster@gfoster.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Shaun Finn" at May 22, 96 07:45:52 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Shaun Finn stands accused of saying: > > >> When a user logs off without exiting pine the processes begin using > >> lots of CPU and cannot be killed with -INT. Has a fix or workaround > >> been developed for this? (Yeah, I know, don't run pine :-)! > > > >This is a bug in pine. Try ``kill -9 ''. That should do it nicely > >:-) There is an update to pine (if I remember), but the new version > >may have other problems too... > > We have used pine 3.91 thru 3.93 and the problem persists ;-) > > Even rtin 1.3 950824BETA PL0 displays this behavior. It's not like it's not _documented_ or anything. From the read(2) manpage: RETURN VALUES If successful, the number of bytes actually read is returned. Upon read- ing end-of-file, zero is returned. Otherwise, a -1 is returned and the global variable errno is set to indicate the error. The problem is that the losers who wrote the stuff never bothered to test for this; they expect an error condition on stdin instead. The correct fix is for you to hunt down all the places in the offending programs where read() is called on stdin and patch them to check for '0' return, and then pester the maintainers and forward patches to the ports people. Otherwise this will never be fixed. > | Shaun M. Finn TechnoCore Communications, Inc. | -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 22:17:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16947 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16939 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 22:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id BAA21314; Thu, 23 May 1996 01:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:16:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Scott Donovan cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Missing Disk Space (df -k) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960523003418.0069d110@147.109.1.8> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 May 1996, Scott Donovan wrote: > > > /dev/sd2s1 8740426 8054724 -13534 100% /u3 > > Okay.. Where has my missing 700Mbytes gone ? > > Anyone got any ideas.. Or is this just a symptom of a sick file store? > Approximately 10% of a file system is reserved (set aside) for fragmentation algorithms. That 10% *is* writable by root, but by no other, so you can reach a negative value on it. Marc G. Fournier scrappy@ki.net Systems Administrator @ ki.net scrappy@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 23:09:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21325 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 23:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21318 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 23:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.7.5/Unknown) with ESMTP id AAA28345 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) id AAA01562 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:34:30 -0600 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199605230634.AAA01562@terra.aros.net> Subject: Ma64 + stable + X causes reboot To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 00:34:30 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently upgraded my personal box here to -stable from 2.1.0-RELEASE. The machine is a P100, IDE (I know, I know. :), 64Mb ram, ATI Mach64 video card. I can run X -probeonly without ill effects, but the minute I actually attempt to 'startx', the screen blanks, the system thinks for a minute, the screen goes in to power saver mode, and the system falls flat on its face and reboots itself. Obviously, I didn't have any problems under -release. I'm using the same kernel configuration file as I was before; the only thing that has changed was a 'make world'. It's 3.1.2E of the Mach64 X server. Any suggestions from the X gurus out there? As much as I love text-only... it's rather irksome, to say the least. The rest of the system is functioning perfectly, of course. Just not X. -Dave Andersen -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual "There are only two industries that refer to thier customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-questions Wed May 22 23:49:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26580 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 22 May 1996 23:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.is.co.za (apollo.is.co.za [196.4.160.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26560; Wed, 22 May 1996 23:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from admin.is.co.za (admin.is.co.za [196.23.0.9]) by apollo.is.co.za (8.7.5/8.7.5/IShub#2) with ESMTP id IAA16892; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:49:38 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from robin@localhost) by admin.is.co.za (8.7.5/8.7.5/ISsubsidiary#1) id IAA14962; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:49:37 +0200 (GMT) From: Robin Lunn Message-Id: <199605230649.IAA14962@admin.is.co.za> Subject: Re: Does this mean what I think it does? To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:49:36 +0200 (GMT) Cc: kurto@tiny.mcs.usu.edu, freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199605221944.OAA00892@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at May 22, 96 02:44:23 pm X-Organisation: The Internet Solution (Pty) Ltd. X-Phone: +27-11-4475566; Fax: +27-11-4475567 Reply-To: robin@is.co.za X-AIDAT-Member: See http://www.aidat.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John S. Dyson wrote: > > Hi, I just recently picked up a pentium machine with a large EIDE drive in > > it. On my first install I got a bunch of these: > > > > May 22 06:50:19 myname /kernel: wd0s3f: hard error reading fsbn 1012831 of > > 1012830-1012831 (wd0s3 bn 1336415; cn 331 tn 28 sn 59)wd0: status > > 59 error 40 > > > Same thing happening on my new 2.5GByte drive. It IS a drive failure :-(. We had that happening on a development box here. Turns out the controller card was stuffed. If its happening on more than one disk then have the controller checked before trashing/redoing the disks. -- _ __ | Only my ideas here unless I say otherwise... ' ) ) / | (BeamJack@IRC) /--' ____/___o __ | "Nondum amabam, et amare amabam... quaerebam / \_(_) /_) (__/) )_ | quid amarem, amans amare." - St Augustine From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 00:11:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA29634 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de [139.30.40.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA29506 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lkoeller@localhost) by odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA05119; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:07:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:07:20 +0200 From: Lars Koeller Message-Id: <199605230707.JAA05119@odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\, ]_frt6eM' dated: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:35:02 +1000 (GMT+1000) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! > Is there a way to see colors on my monitor? I was planning to try > porting ls of GNU. Would that be the answer? Aren't you happy with the color_xterm and the colorls out of the ports collection, they do the job verry well! Cheers Lars -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Lars Köller Phone: +49 381/498-1665, Fax: -1667 Universität Rostock E-Mail: Fachbereich Physik Lars_Koeller@odie.physik2.Uni-Rostock.DE Universitätsplatz 3 Anonymous ftp: 18051 Rostock (Germany) ftp://odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de/pub From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 00:34:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA02763 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com (dub-img-4.compuserve.com [198.4.9.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02755 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id DAA00650; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:33:25 -0400 Date: 23 May 96 03:13:50 EDT From: "SAMES M.I.S." <100075.1013@CompuServe.COM> To: Questions Subject: Help Message-ID: <960523071350_100075.1013_EHK103-6@CompuServe.COM> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do I subscribe to this list? From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 02:14:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA18486 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 02:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mnemosyne.muse.com.au ([203.26.7.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18464 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 02:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from www@localhost) by mnemosyne.muse.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00592; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:14:01 +1000 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 19:14:01 +1000 (EST) From: Richard Beyer To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Samba Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any way of mounting a Win95 drive using samba. Currently I can use smbclient \\\\host\\c but this puts me in a shell of sorts. Any pointers greatly appreciated. Cheers, Richard. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 02:15:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA18668 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 02:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [206.151.208.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18651; Thu, 23 May 1996 02:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA10427; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:15:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 04:15:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Shaun Finn cc: Gary Palmer , Glen Foster , questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: runaway processes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Shaun Finn wrote: > >Glen Foster wrote in message ID > ><199605222016.QAA00568@ptavv.nsta.org>: > >> When a user logs off without exiting pine the processes begin using > >> lots of CPU and cannot be killed with -INT. Has a fix or workaround > >> been developed for this? (Yeah, I know, don't run pine :-)! > >This is a bug in pine. Try ``kill -9 ''. That should do it nicely > >:-) There is an update to pine (if I remember), but the new version > >may have other problems too... > We have used pine 3.91 thru 3.93 and the problem persists ;-) I was killing pine-3.91 processes at least twice a day, since upgrading to 3.93 that number is down to one or two a week. We've got more users now too... The problem isn't gone, but I've experienced it alot less. Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 03:06:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA25332 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korky.fe.up.pt (korky.fe.up.pt [192.82.214.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA25289 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by korky.fe.up.pt; id AA22279; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:07:27 GMT Received: by crazy.fe.up.pt; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Oct95-0259PM) id AA04351; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:05:47 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:05:46 +0100 (WET DST) From: Jorge Goncalves To: "SAMES M.I.S." <100075.1013@CompuServe.COM> Cc: Questions Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: <960523071350_100075.1013_EHK103-6@CompuServe.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 23 May 1996, SAMES M.I.S. wrote: > How do I subscribe to this list? > > Send mail to majordomo@freebsd.org with the following in the body: subscribe questions I think that this kind of questions SHOULD NOT BE SENT to a mailing list! Jorge Goncalves mec204@crazy.fe.up.pt .............................................................................. "The pen is mightier than the sword - so, in these dangerous times, I always carry a pen." .............................................................................. If you like privacy then finger for PGP key. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 03:14:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA26485 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korky.fe.up.pt (korky.fe.up.pt [192.82.214.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA25507 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by korky.fe.up.pt; id AA13295; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:08:38 GMT Received: by crazy.fe.up.pt; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Oct95-0259PM) id AA04427; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:08:00 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:08:00 +0100 (WET DST) From: Jorge Goncalves To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: SUBSCRIBING! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I made a mistake. The correct body should be: subscribe freebsd-questions From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 03:37:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA29403 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de [139.30.40.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA29390 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lkoeller@localhost) by odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA05530; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:37:11 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:37:11 +0200 From: Lars Koeller Message-Id: <199605231037.MAA05530@odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\, ]_frt6eM' dated: 23 May 96 03:13:50 EDT Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! > How do I subscribe to this list? 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Regards Lars -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Lars Köller Phone: +49 381/498-1665, Fax: -1667 Universität Rostock E-Mail: Fachbereich Physik Lars_Koeller@odie.physik2.Uni-Rostock.DE Universitätsplatz 3 Anonymous ftp: 18051 Rostock (Germany) ftp://odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de/pub From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 03:45:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA00350 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dev01.interactive.com (pppA127.micronet.fr [193.149.100.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA00315 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 03:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by dev01.interactive.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id MAA01193 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:45:31 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: fmtel@micronet.fr Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:41:41 From: fmtel@micronet.fr To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: replacement of DES in Europe Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I wanted to compile htpasswd from Apache and i got an error because it doesn't find "crypt". I think that it's because I am in France and I couldn't install DES !? What is the best solution to replace crypt ? thanks in advance, Best regards, Jean-Marc BOTTURA ---------------------------------- E-Mail: fmtel@micronet.fr Date: 05/23/96 Time: 12:41:41 ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 04:27:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA03835 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA03828 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iesd.auc.dk (iesd.auc.dk [130.225.48.4]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id EAA02989 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:27:01 -0700 Received: from micro.iesd.auc.dk (hagen@micro.iesd.auc.dk [130.225.48.164]) by iesd.auc.dk (8.6.5/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA01626; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:19:15 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:19:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jesper Hagen Reply-To: Jesper Hagen Subject: Re: replacement of DES in Europe To: fmtel@micronet.fr cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Get from EuroCrypt replacement of the des distribution. For instance from ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/FreeBSD/eurocrypt Jesper Hagen Department of Mathematics and Computer Science. Aalborg University, Denmark. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 04:29:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA04205 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA04197 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA09885 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:31:30 GMT Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa07023; 23 May 96 7:29 EDT Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 07:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Hovey To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: General Thanx! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I hope not too many people consider this spam. I just wanted to take a moment to thank all the helpful people on this list. You've helped me a dozen times over. If I worked for SCO I wouldnt sleep too well at night knowing you guys are here! (I have SCO boxes and freebsd boxes - within a year I plan to not have any SCO boxes) From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 04:30:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA04388 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA04095 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA09875 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:28:15 GMT Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa06857; 23 May 96 7:26 EDT Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 07:26:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Hovey To: Jeremy Sigmon cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: weird error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 May 1996, Jeremy Sigmon wrote: > > I am getting the following error: > > www httpd: gethostby*.gethostanswer: asked for > "80.25.30.206.in-addr.arpa", got "80.64.25.30.206.in-addr.arpa" Get used to named errors - the only thing people screw up more than their email setups, is their in-addr.arpa. i believe there are internic measures being proposed to zap out address space not set up properly - but I have no idea when it will be acted upon. In any event, its a problem in their name serve From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 04:51:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA06048 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.siemens.at (proxy.siemens.at [192.138.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA06018 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 04:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (sol-f.gud.siemens-austria) by proxy.siemens.at with SMTP id AA17700 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 23 May 1996 13:50:12 +0200 Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0uMYtv-00020DC; Thu, 23 May 96 13:49 MET DST Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA189312001; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:46:41 +0200 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199605231146.AA189312001@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: Missing Disk Space (df -k) To: sdd@ccd.tas.gov.au (Scott Donovan) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:46:41 +0200 (MESZ) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960523003418.0069d110@147.109.1.8> from "Scott Donovan" at May 23, 96 10:34:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "In his e-mail Scott Donovan wrote:" > > > /dev/sd2s1 8740426 8054724 -13534 100% /u3 > > Okay.. Where has my missing 700Mbytes gone ? It's being reserved for superuser's uses. You can, of course, tunefs and reduce the reserved amount. 10 % default is a gross overkill for such a large filesystem. /Marino > > Anyone got any ideas.. Or is this just a symptom of a sick file store? > > From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 05:04:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA06814 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.ge.com (ns.ge.com [192.35.39.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA06794 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thomas.ge.com ([3.47.28.21]) by ns.ge.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11341; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:03:55 -0400 Received: from salem.ge.com (carsdb.salem.ge.com [3.29.7.15]) by thomas.ge.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA04975; Thu, 23 May 1996 07:42:07 -0400 Received: from combs.salem.ge.com by salem.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16899; Thu, 23 May 96 08:03:50 EDT Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by combs.salem.ge.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id IAA09586; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:03:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen F. Combs" Reply-To: CombsSF@salem.ge.com To: Troy Curtiss Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Remote dial-in/dial-out solutions?? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We use an Annex R4000 server here. Works JUST FINE! The latest release of the Annex S/W (10.1) even understands the RFC 1323 and RFC 1644 extensions (release 9.x didn't!). I've got about 300 accounts with more being added daily. We handle PPP, SLIP and IPX (encapsulated within PPP). - ---- Stephen F. Combs Internet: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM GE DS&TC Voice: 540.387.8828 Network Services Home: CombsSF-Home@Salem.GE.COM 1501 Roanoke Blvd FAX: 540.387.7106 Salem, VA 24153 LapTop: CombsSF-Mobile@Salem.GE.COM On Wed, 22 May 1996, Troy Curtiss wrote: > Date: Wed, 22 May 96 16:41:42 PDT > From: Troy Curtiss > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Remote dial-in/dial-out solutions?? > > > Has anybody out there set up a corporate dialin/dialout > modem pool using a dedicated terminal server or the likes? > Right now, I have a FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 box answering phones > doing simple PPP and such, but now we want to graduate to > a dedicated terminal server (in hardware). I have seen > products from Xylogics (remote annex servers) and Livingston > (Portmaster series)... Anybody out there give me some more > pointers on what's good (or conversely, who to stay away > from...) Thanks in advance.... > > -Troy > > PS: A little bragging... The 'FreeBSD terminal server' has > been continuously up & running flawlessly for the last 132 > days (only power outtages kill it :) > > -- > /-----------------------------------------------------------\ > | Troy Curtiss, HW/SW Engineer | Email: troyc@merix.com | > | Merix Corporation, F8-208 | Phone: (503) 359-9300 x54500 | > | Forest Grove, OR 97116 | Fax : (503) 359-1624 | > \-----------------------------------------------------------/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMaRUGOnnD7stD95BAQF47wP/YbL2OjmzmhDcLIjUI+imZZqWreUKhMOd 3ska+gyhPo6zYPTJsmb8z6PVxRUxN/CdmU1WWGTO6ymYQzFld1WzcJ43siUXnGRs e5H2TzrGCV9BExC2qg7gXgrCFV4XuC/K+K13BgtZWzlXYWs+4sBPEaKEFD+7gGRB siZUDz7bQBo= =mmyW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 05:13:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07342 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA07316 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I51NJBZOUO001WAF@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:45:49 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA25250; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:25:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:25:47 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: Re: Samba In-reply-to: To: www@mnemosyne.muse.com.au (Richard Beyer) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199605231025.MAA25250@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is there any way of mounting a Win95 drive using samba. > > Currently I can use smbclient \\\\host\\c but this puts me in a shell of > sorts. You cannot 'mount' Win95 drives a la 'mounting' a unix drive from Win95. What you can do is automate the script a bit more so that interaction isn't required. put script: #!/bin/sh if [ $# != 1 ] ; then echo 'usage: put ' exit 1 fi /usr/local/samba/bin/smbclient "\\\\pcwin95\\share" -N -U guest < > Any pointers greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Richard. > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 05:25:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07904 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.com (dyn049-gnv.51.fdt.net [205.229.51.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA07894 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA17551; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.com To: Michael Smith cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Goodbye for a while (fish? nobody gave me any fish!) In-Reply-To: <199605230040.KAA06246@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 May 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > > ... and as for glassware. Never mind. > > I'm sorry to have to do this, but with the current state of my work and > study commitments, I need to find some more time in my day. > > I've already given up on sleep, so freebsd-questions is next on the list. > I'll still be around, and I'm certainly not abandoning FreeBSD 8) > > It's been fun, and someday I hope I'll have time for it to be fun again, > so this is 'so long', but not 'farewell'. > > -- > ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ > ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ > ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ > ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ > You will be missed. -- Frank From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 05:27:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA07979 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nibsc.ac.uk (comsig.nibsc.ac.uk [193.62.43.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA07968 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chalsig.nibsc.ac.uk by nibsc.ac.uk via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.1(NIBSC)) for id NAA09519; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:25:46 +0100 Received: by chalsig.nibsc.ac.uk (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/client-1.3.1(NIBSC)) id NAA22539; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:25:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199605231225.NAA22539@chalsig.nibsc.ac.uk> Subject: Apology To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:25:45 +0100 (BST) From: X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I wish to apologise to all of you reciening from this mailing list (freebsd-questions) over the weekend just gone (18th/19th May). I am guessing from the state of out mailserver here at NIBSC that everything frefall tried to send would have bounced horibly, I hope it didn't bounce to the list. Sorry for any inconvience caused. On the off chance that some of you may have seen something like this before, what could cause a happy SGI Indy mailserver to just stop dead. No kernel panic, no syslog entries, just a frozen machine. Screen saver stuck, getty's not responding etc. etc. Any ideas? Mac Assistant Systems Adminstrator @nibsc.ac.uk mac@nibsc.ac.uk (also postmaster) Work: 01707 654753 x 285 Everything else: 0956 237670 (any time) From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 05:34:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA08343 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.com (dyn049-gnv.51.fdt.net [205.229.51.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA08332 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 05:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA17584; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: BSD Tattoo? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=------------2B2E58F168EB Content-ID: Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. 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I want to implement rexx (regina or imc) on my FreeBSD 2.1.0. Is this possible? Do you have the modifications necessary for the Makefile of regina (or imc) to work? Or is there any other free rexx around there that works with FreeBSD? Thanks a lot, Eduardo Jaime Quiros Batres e-mail: dojai@mail.ufv.br Central de Processamento de Dados Voice: +55 31 899-2500 Universidade Federal de Vicosa FAX: +55 31 899-2571 "Beware with wath you ask for, you may turn around getting it!" Adjutor From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 06:08:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA10686 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from virginia.edu (mars.itc.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA10681 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from watt.seas.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa20952; 23 May 96 9:08 EDT Received: (from mdc4e@localhost) by watt.seas.Virginia.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.6) id JAA82737; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:08:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Douglas Corner To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: BOOTPC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After extensive searching I can not find any information on running a bootp client on FreeBSD. I have seen telltale signs that it is supported but I can find information only on the server. Does anyone know how to configure a bootp client to boot a workstation? Plese reply directly to this mail b/c I am not on the mailing list. Thank you. ---- Mark Douglas Corner corner@virginia.edu http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~mdc4e/ Echols GA Suite (804)243-0982 From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 06:28:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA11911 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11890 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I51QJUKD6O001XIB@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:11:44 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA25481; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:18:36 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:18:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: Re: replacement of DES in Europe In-reply-to: To: fmtel@micronet.fr Cc: questions@freebsd.org Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199605231218.OAA25481@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL16 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I wanted to compile htpasswd from Apache and > i got an error because it doesn't find "crypt". > I think that it's because I am in France and I couldn't > install DES !? Get the DES stuff from internat.freebsd.org (which is physically in .za) > > What is the best solution to replace crypt ? > thanks in advance, > Best regards, > Jean-Marc BOTTURA > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: fmtel@micronet.fr > Date: 05/23/96 > Time: 12:41:41 > ---------------------------------- > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 06:47:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA12880 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA12875 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA15601; Thu, 23 May 1996 07:46:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 07:46:55 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199605231346.HAA15601@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "J. Goldstein" Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on my notebook In-Reply-To: <31A383A2.5D95@injersey.com> References: <31A383A2.5D95@injersey.com> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, I'd like to install FreeBSD on my notebook (Micron MIllennia > Transport p133), but I tried using the boot disk and a) I don't think > any pcmcia driver/program is loading - No 'official' versions of FreeBSD support PCMCIA at all. - No 'unofficial' versions of FeeBSD support PCMCIA in the boot disk. - PCMCIA support is *mostly* complete (ie; incomplete) in the most recent releases, but it is poorly undocumented. The 0501-SNAP has working PCMCIA code, and it *should* work with your modem, but I don't make any guarantees. Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 06:49:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA13126 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.iupui.edu (root@felix.iupui.edu [134.68.45.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA13118 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indy.net.indy.net (jrclark@indy3.indy.net [199.3.65.14]) by felix.iupui.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA04239 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:49:28 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960523125348.00698c34@felix.iupui.edu> X-Sender: jrclark@felix.iupui.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:53:48 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org From: John Clark Subject: ytalk use / installation Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I was trying to use ytalk on my new FreeBSD system (as I commonly have with Linux), when I got the following error message: --cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here--- ld.so: ytalk: Can't find shared library "libXext.so.6.0" --cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here--- This looks like an X library, or a replacement library if one is not using X. I am not using X, and do not have it installed. Does anyone know why this happened? Ok, so I thought I would get the current ytalk port... I did, and it didn't. :( Anyway, here is the output from that failure: --cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here--- Checksums OK. ===> Extracting for ytalk-3.0.2 ===> Patching for ytalk-3.0.2 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for ytalk-3.0.2 ===> Configuring for ytalk-3.0.2 xmkmf: not found *** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. --cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here-----cut-here--- This time "xmkmf" was the culprit. Seems to be another X library or replacement library for people who do not use X? Anyway, any help would be appreciated, as I am not familiar enough with FreeBSD yet to know what is wrong. Thanks; --John [jrclark@indy.net] From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 06:50:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA13228 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA13223 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA09030; Thu, 23 May 1996 23:34:47 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199605231404.XAA09030@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Remote dial-in/dial-out solutions?? To: CombsSF@salem.ge.com Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 23:34:47 +0930 (CST) Cc: troy.curtiss@merix.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Stephen F. Combs" at May 23, 96 08:03:31 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen F. Combs stands accused of saying: > > We use an Annex R4000 server here. Works JUST FINE! The latest release > of the Annex S/W (10.1) even understands the RFC 1323 and RFC 1644 > extensions (release 9.x didn't!). I've got about 300 accounts with more > being added daily. We handle PPP, SLIP and IPX (encapsulated within PPP). There's a local ISP here with one of these units; about 90 dialins and several thousand regular customers. Generally, they love it, but the OS appears to be fairly laggy, and flow control and throughput becomes an issue. Sometimes they've had it do weird things with their modems too, but on the whole it appears to be fairly reliable. > Stephen F. Combs Internet: CombsSF@Salem.GE.COM -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 07:23:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA15244 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 07:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ledzeppelin.microdot.com (microdot.com [204.71.144.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15236 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 07:23:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ledzeppelin.microdot.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA28302; Thu, 23 May 1996 07:27:31 GMT Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 07:27:30 +0000 () From: "Steve M. Spiller" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Free Unix for old Sun? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I know this doesn't directly relate to FreeBSD ( although I do run it on my i486 PC ), but I was hoping someone out there may know if there is a free unix ( FreeBSD / NetBSD / etc ) available for a Sun 3/80 ( sun3x )? Thanks! -Steve From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 07:44:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA17108 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 07:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17101 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 07:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA15747; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:44:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 08:44:39 -0600 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199605231444.IAA15747@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Archie Cobbs Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: stack trace library? In-Reply-To: <199605230209.TAA10682@bubba.whistle.com> References: <199605230209.TAA10682@bubba.whistle.com> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does there exist a library with routines that a program (linked with -g) > can use for doing stack crawls? ... > If there's no such library, is this possible and/or do-able? Please, if you hear about *anything* like this let the list know. Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 08:53:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA22238 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22199; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uMch2-000QYYC; Thu, 23 May 96 17:52 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA15290; Thu, 23 May 1996 17:50:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199605231550.RAA15290@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:50:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Questions), chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) In-Reply-To: <13010.832824744@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at May 23, 96 05:12:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer writes: > > Alain FAUCONNET wrote in message ID > <199605221138.AA17317@iaka.biomath.jussieu.fr>: >> * Availability of pre-compiled binaries and ports for non-commercial software: >> Linux +10, FreeBSD 0 > > One comment about this. > > Linux is schitzophrenic (or however you spell it). It has a mixture of > Sys V and BSD in it, and that sometimes leads to porting > problems. Perhaps there are so many pre-compiled `.tgz' files for > linux as it's more difficult to port s/w to linux than to a BSD > derrivative? Quite a few of the ports that I've seen done (and are in > the ports collection) don't even need patching, they compile out of > the box, and without needing special ``FreeBSD'' ifdefs in the > Makefiles or source code... To be fair to Linux, I don't think that it's that difficult to port to. A lot of pure System V systems (*with* heritage :-) are worse. May I say names? UnixWare? SCO "UNIX"? I think the real reason why it's easier to port to *BSD (yes, I agree with this part) is that most of the free software out on the net was written on BSD boxes. This, I suppose, reflects that fact that BSD has been around a lot longer than Linux, and also that people have traditionally had more fun with BSD than they have with System V. > It helps to have a heritage... It helps to have a good heritage. Greg From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 08:57:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA23102 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xensei2.xensei.com (xensei2.xensei.com [198.151.175.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23077 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 08:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cow.net (cow.net [204.96.52.4]) by xensei2.xensei.com (8.6.11/Xensei-M1.01/041596-JSM) with SMTP id LAA30734; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:56:24 -0400 Received: by cow.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17403; Thu, 23 May 96 11:55:03 EDT Date: Thu, 23 May 96 11:55:03 EDT Message-Id: <9605231555.AA17403@cow.net> To: gnu.chess@myriad.alias.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Bovine Remailer X-Comment1: This message did not originate from the X-Comment2: above address. It was automatically remailed X-Comment3: by an anonymous mail service. Please report X-Comment4: problems or inappropriate use to X-Comment5: Subject: can't compile gnuchess Reply-To: brain@alpha.c2.org Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I just downloaded the latest version of gnuchess from prep.ai.mit.edu. I'm trying to compile it on a P120 w/32meg running FreeBSD 2.1.0-stable. After doing the configure, I type in make and get the following: gcc -O2 -Wall -DHAVE_LIBCURSES=1 -DHAVE_LIBM=1 -DHAVE_LIBTERMCAP=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_FCNTL_H=1 -DHAVE_TIME_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_FILE_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_IOCTL_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DTIME_WITH_SYS_TIME=1 -DRETSIGTYPE=void -DHAVE_GETTIMEOFDAY=1 -DHAVE_STRSTR=1 -DHAVE_STRTOL=1 -DHAVE_STRTOUL=1 -DHAVE_MEMSET=1 -DUSEINT -DCACHE -DGDX -DNULLMOVE -DWAY4PL64 -DHISTORY -DAGING -DKILLT -DUNLIMITEDCAPS -DPRUNE -DOLDTIME -DECO -DHASHSTATS -DHASHFILE=\"./gnuchess.hash\" -DLANGFILE=\"./gnuchess.lang\" -DBINBOOK=\"./gnuchess.data\" -c main.c gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 *** Error code 1 Stop. Does anyone have any ideas? Brain From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 09:11:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA24618 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24613 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0uMcxx-000QYSC; Thu, 23 May 96 18:10 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA15346; Thu, 23 May 1996 18:03:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199605231603.SAA15346@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: FreeBDS 2.0.5 To: eagle@connx.vironix.co.za Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:03:06 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: QUESTIONS@FREEBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605211854.LAA17728@freefall.freebsd.org> from "eagle@connx.vironix.co.za" at May 21, 96 08:48:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-questions@FREEBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk eagle@connx.vironix.co.za writes: > > About three weeks ago I bought a copy of FreeBSD 2.0.5 (Double CD Pack) from > a local software dealer. If you were in the USA, I'd say "He (the dealer) should be ashamed of himself". FreeBSD 2.1 has been on the market for over 6 months. But possibly it's more difficult where you are. > Since then I have been trying to install the software onto my > computer. I have an 80486 DX2-50, 12MB RAM, Western Digital 1.2 GB > HDD (IDE), Conner 426 MB HDD (IDE), Creative Labs Sound Blaster Pro > (8-bit stereo), Creative Labs Quad Speed CD-ROM (IDE). I seriously think that you should give up trying and get hold of the latest version of 2.1-STABLE, since you have net access. You'll save yourself a whole lot of work. Another good reason is that most of the people who reply to questions in this forum are using 2.2, not even 2.1, and have forgotten all the problems associated with 2.0.5. > 1.44 & 1.2 floppy drives and VL-BUS controller cards for the screen > and multi I/O hard disk controller card. The multi I/O hard disk > controller card is an enhanced IDE controller card. > In the help documents on installing it says that FreeBSD 2.0.5 does not > support IDE CD-ROM drives so I followed the instructions for installing from > a DOS partition. I copied the files using the commands given but when it > started to install it told me that it could not find root.flp but the file > was in the c:\FreeBSD directory. > > I was installing from the C: drive (1.2 GB HDD) to the D: drive (426 MB HDD). > I want the whole D: drive to be dedicated to UNIX. Later on I visited your > ftp site at ftp.cdrom.com and downloaded a file called atapi.flp which is the > boot disk that supports IDE CD-ROMS. I used RAWRITE to make the disk as > instructed in the help files. This did not work either. It found the port > address and the IRQ of the CD-ROM and that is all . I think that my CD-ROM > is not supported though because the model number is: GCD-R540B. > > I want to install the XDevelopers version which is about 200 MB and using > floppy disks is not a practical method for this installation. Can you please > tell me how to make the programme install from the hard drive or if possible > from my IDE CD-ROM. I suppose "Installing and Running FreeBSD", available from Walnut Creek, is what you want. I just wonder if it will help. At least it has a whole lot of information on what can go wrong and why, but that alone is probably not what you want. Greg From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 09:54:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA29140 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29134 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA05785 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:54:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 23 May 96 11:54 CDT Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 23 May 96 11:54 CDT Message-Id: Subject: multi-homed machine and sendmail To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:54:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" Cc: jonas@mcs.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What magic do I put in my .mc file to get a machine with two internet interfaces to accept mail for both nets? I have a SLIP host name (jonas.pr.mcs.net) and a internal 10.* network with hostname mail.accumed-int.com. I have no running DNS. My .mc file currently looks like: divert(-1) include(`../m4/cf.m4') VERSIONID(`@(#)mail-hidden.mc 8.1 (Berkeley) 6/7/93') OSTYPE(bsd4.4)dnl MAILER(local)dnl MAILER(smtp)dnl define(`UUCP_RELAY', ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU)dnl define(`BITNET_RELAY', mailhost.Berkeley.EDU)dnl define(`CSNET_RELAY', mailhost.Berkeley.EDU)dnl define(`confCHECKPOINT_INTERVAL', 4)dnl FEATURE(nodns) FEATURE(use_cw_file) And I put my two host names in /etc/sendmail.cw. I have the hostname of the machine set to mail.accumed-int.com (internal net). If I try to send mail to jonas.pr.mcs.net I get: ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 553 mail.accumed-int.com config error: mail loops back to myself 554 ... Local configuration error Jonas From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 10:01:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA00200 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netoutfit.com (netoutfit.netoutfit.com [198.199.206.62]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA00180 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.177.2.121] (host121.net2.directnet.com) by netoutfit.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12957; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:00:17 -0700 Message-Id: <9605231700.AA12957@netoutfit.com> Subject: Still Problems Date: Thu, 23 May 96 10:05:27 -0700 From: threeLoopnine Design To: "Shyh-Donq Yu" , "Doug White" , "Support" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I had written you a few weeks ago in regards to some problems I was having mounting my IDE cdrom drive. Now I have gone through all of the steps you all have told me and now I can see it loads in the driver when it cycles through the kernel but when I log in I cannot mount the cdrom specifically the FreeBSD cdrom. Is there a particular command (I have been using " mount /cdrom ") is the cdrom called something else it keeps on telling me unkown filesystem, or something like that. I would appreciate any help someone could give me. Thank you Derek Ruth Three Loop Nine, Inc. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 10:13:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA01673 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailserv.metro.mci.com (mailserv.metro.mci.com [166.44.43.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01656 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rnicholson by mailserv.metro.mci.com (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA25373; Thu, 23 May 96 13:13:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9605231713.AA25373@mailserv.metro.mci.com> Received: by rnicholson.metro.mci.com (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA05996; Thu, 23 May 96 13:13:53 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Robert Nicholson Date: Thu, 23 May 96 13:13:52 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Solaris x86 and FreeBSD. Reply-To: steffi@dgs.dgsys.com Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok I've got an external1 gig with the first 512 Solaris x86. When I try to install FreeBSD on the next 512 MB FreeBSD complains that there's no space on the drive when I'm partitioning. I'm confused. Is the disklabel full by Solaris or something? From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 10:21:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA03006 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02999 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA04476 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:21:09 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with ESMTP id JAA13389; Thu, 23 May 1996 09:43:05 +0100 (BST) To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: Scott Donovan , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Missing Disk Space (df -k) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 May 1996 01:16:50 EDT." Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 09:43:03 +0100 Message-ID: <13387.832840983@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Marc G. Fournier" wrote in message ID : > On Thu, 23 May 1996, Scott Donovan wrote: > > /dev/sd2s1 8740426 8054724 -13534 100% /u3 > > Okay.. Where has my missing 700Mbytes gone ? > > Anyone got any ideas.. Or is this just a symptom of a sick file store? > Approximately 10% of a file system is reserved (set aside) for > fragmentation algorithms. That 10% *is* writable by root, but by > no other, so you can reach a negative value on it. Actually, 10% was the OLD *BSD default (probably 4.3 days). I believe it was reduced in 4.4Lite, and David bumped it back up to 8%. RCS file: /mnt/usr/home/ncvs/src/sys/ufs/ffs/fs.h,v Working file: fs.h [...] revision 1.4 date: 1995/03/10 22:18:16; author: davidg; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 Increased default minfree to 8%. This was before 2.0.5-RELEASE, so anything formatted after that will have the 8% minfree value, which works out about right for a 700Mb space shortage on a 9Gb drive. You can alter this value if you like dicing with your filesystem performance. See tunefs(8). Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 10:50:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA05331 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (longstreet.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.25.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05326; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from branson@localhost) by longstreet.larc.nasa.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA07996; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:53:31 -0400 From: Branson Matheson Message-Id: <199605231753.NAA07996@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@freefall.FreeBSD.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) In-Reply-To: <13487.832843033@palmer.demon.co.uk> from "Gary Palmer" at May 23, 96 10:17:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > could put in BIG letters that this is the opnion of WC and not the > > FreeBSD camp ( although I am not sure who wrote the original ). > > Not really. It uses WC's network and hardware, but WC have (mostly) > acknowledged that it's our machine and we do with it what we like. We > could probably see if they'll put the write-up on THEIR WWW pages on > wcarchive though and put a pointer to that... YES! I will even be glad to htmlize this if they are willing to put it up! .. Jordan who should I be talking to to see this thru? > > Is SMP ( Dual Processors ) supported? > This should go in the FAQ anyhow. Agreed.. now lets see .. who seems to answer most of the posts... hmmm ;-) > > Perhaps someone gathering postings with success/partial success/total > failure stories to the various lists could compile a WWW page (or > pages, more likely, given the size of the problem), either with some > simple indexing system or a search engine. This has been a long standing thingy.. every so often we see a please send me your configuration and I will send back a list ( I even tried this ) and usually we get sporadic answers at best.. I seem to remember a list somewhere in the installation docs about running configurations ... I can write some scripts to make this easier to find.. .and mabey a web page to hang off of freefall with the list with configurations and other useful information ( benchmarks, usage, installtion info etc.. ). > > So the focus of this thread is " Is there a way to better inform > > visitors to the Home Pages so that they might find the answers without > > posting to the questions list? " ( biggie .. ain't it ;-) > Very. Are you volunteering to help? :-) Invariably.. I have not been vary active lately with this group.. ( and been admonished via a third party by certian persons with the initals JH ;-) Considering all that FreeBSD has done for me, I certianly should take up somthing!! I will start working this as well.. can somone point me to THE webmaster for our pages ... I note that www expands to quite a few people. > What may help is publishing Greg Lahey's ``How To Get The Most From > Questions'' mail somewhere BEFORE you get to the mailto: url... Yes! this might be a good starting point... especially if the in-between page offers direct links to the Handbook, the Faq, and the search engine. -- ======================================================================== branson matheson | branson@widomaker.com Ferguson SysAdmin | http://widomaker.com/~branson From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:06:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06096 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06091 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) id NAA05411; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:06:39 -0500 (CDT) From: dcastle Message-Id: <199605231806.NAA05411@enteract.com> To: hsup@pranja.cdrom.com, questions@freebsd.org Subject: installing freebsd troubles Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to install FreeBSD 2.1 on a compaq 486 box. It doesn't have a CDROM drive, so I'm installing via FTP. IE I ftp to another machine here in the office, and the CD is sitting in THAT machine. The FTP server on that machine points to its CD drive as the home directory for anon ftps. I know this normally works fine because I've used this method to install on several machines in the past. Anyway, when I actually go to do the commit, it sets up the fs, ftps in, starts a transfer, and then a few seconds later I get this message: Failed to retrieve piece file bin.aa! Aborting transfer. Then it asks me if I want to try again. No matter how I respond, the install program crashes at this point. The sig handler says it got sig 11. BTW, I've mailed about this problem before, but I didn't get any reply. I think I had my "reply-to" address set wrong. My email address should work correctly now, if your mail to me was bouncing before. Any help would be appreciated, thanx :) Chris From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:09:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06273 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06262; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199605231809.LAA06262@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Mailing List Lag To: sdd@ccd.tas.gov.au (Scott Donovan) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960523043813.00739594@147.109.1.8> from "Scott Donovan" at May 23, 96 02:38:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Scott Donovan wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I am noticing some major lag in the freebsd-questions mail list, I currently > receive 4-5 answers to my posts before I actually see my post.. > > This is great.. I get answers before I ask the question :-) well, scott, you are located in one particular timezone while other members of the list are located eslewhere on the globe. when you send a message at 8am, its 4am here. so i see your question 4 hours before you send it. ;) > > However, did anything come to light of "spreading" the distribution network > for the mail lists? yes, nearly all mail to europe flows thru germany. the scandinavian countries go thru denmark all of edu goes thru mit etc.... jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--4.4BSD Unix for PC clones, source included. http://www.freebsd.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:11:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06406 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06401 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07821; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:04:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605231804.LAA07821@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Missing Disk Space (df -k) To: scrappy@ki.net (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:04:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: sdd@ccd.tas.gov.au, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at May 23, 96 01:16:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Okay.. Where has my missing 700Mbytes gone ? > > > > Anyone got any ideas.. Or is this just a symptom of a sick file store? > > > > Approximately 10% of a file system is reserved (set aside) for > fragmentation algorithms. That 10% *is* writable by root, but by > no other, so you can reach a negative value on it. It's 8%, with a recommended *minimum* of 5%, worst case. The reason for the reserve is because you are effectively hashing blocks onto the disk; according to Knuth (Sorting and Searching), the hash efficiency starts dropping off logarithmically at 85%. 10% was a good middle ground for a limit on degradation of hash efficiency. 8% makes people with *big* disks happy, of course, but doesn't change the mathematical principle involved. Any fill over a real 85% will start degrading performance, and any fill over 90% will probably degrade performance unacceptably. Actually, one could consider a change to the clustering algorithm to reduce the reserve by the average blocks in a cluster as a scaling factor. That is, if you didn't allow non-clustered blocks to be spread out all over (interfering with clustering) you could potentially divide the reserve by the cluster size. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:12:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06527 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06522 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07835; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:07:01 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605231807.LAA07835@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: libc source To: fyeung@fyeung5.netific.com (francis yeung) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:07:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605222205.WAA17501@fyeung5.netific.com> from "francis yeung" at May 22, 96 10:05:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Where can I locate libc.a source ? /usr/src/lib/libc Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:15:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06710 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06705 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07864; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:09:56 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605231809.LAA07864@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: atlantic.c (utility for AT/LANTIC DP83905 based ethernet) To: swift@VNET.IBM.COM (Larry Swift) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:09:56 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Larry Swift" at May 22, 96 09:07:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have been sent a utility for working with a mystery ethernet card. The > purpose of this utility is to help me set the EEConfig information for said > card. It was supposedly written for Linux systems, and I'm having a bugger of > a time getting it to work on FreeBSD. > > The final stumbling block is a call to ioperm() that I can't seem to find > anywhere on my 2.1-R system. Open /dev/io instead. If you have /dev/io open, you are permitted to use inb/outb on ports. Note that only root can open /dev/io for writing. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:33:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA07691 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07686 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07908; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:27:19 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605231827.LAA07908@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: syslog.conf questions To: root@edmweb.com (Steve Reid) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:27:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Steve Reid" at May 22, 96 06:56:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to get syslog to log messages from pppd to a seperate file > (/var/log/pppd). The man page for syslog.conf says I need to use "!pppd" > to log messages from that program, but I can't get it to work- nothing > appears in the /var/log/pppd file. > > Also, how can I set up two machines so that they share each other's > messages? I've tried something like this: > > On Kirk: > *.warning;kern.debug;auth.info;mark.info /var/log/messages > *.warning;kern.debug;auth.info;mark.info @spock > > On Spock: > *.warning;kern.debug;auth.info;mark.info /var/log/messages > *.warning;kern.debug;auth.info;mark.info @kirk > > The problem is, one machine recieves a message from the other, it logs the > message and sends it back, causing the messages to be bounced back and > forth forever. Very ugly. This facility is for centralizing log messages, not distributing them. To avoid the loop, you will need to change: local local event event | ,----. ,----. | v v | | v v ,-------. | | ,-------. |syslogd| | | |syslogd| `-------' | | `-------' | | `-----|-. | | v `----------' `--' v local local log log To: local local event event | | v v ,-------. ,-------. | +--. | | ,--+ | | | | | | | | | | v | | | | v | | o<-|--|<. ,>|--|->o | | | | | | | | | | | | v v | | | | v v | `-------' | | `-------' | | `-----|-. | | v `----------' `--' v local local log log You do this by making a disctintion based on whether the source is local or remote and whether the destination is local or remote. This is pretty much how you do mail/news gateways. 8-). The NetBSD modified syslog might already do this (or if that's what you are running, it might be your problem in the first place). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:36:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA07907 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitty.oester.com (kitty.oester.com [206.25.136.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07902 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fatcat.oester.com by kitty.oester.com (8.7.3/1.37) id SAA10088; Thu, 23 May 1996 18:36:26 GMT Message-ID: <31A4B011.1C11@oester.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:36:01 -0700 From: "G.R.Gircys" Organization: Oesterreich & Assc. Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org CC: pinoy@thesphere.com Subject: SPAM - Can we make it stop! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dear freebsders - i think the following was sent to various freebsd list. it is a cute and clever spam (or perhaps testing to do spams). i don't know about the rest of you, but NO ONE (let alone madison ave scammers) has the right to make me pay for spam crap. yes, it cost me money in connect time, system resources, etc. is there something we can do? is there interest in organizing and becoming vocal about this? if anyone is interested, please contact me by email; i do have some ideas; a starting idea is at the end of this message. i do not oppose commercialization of the internet - yahoo style models are fine. you get free search and then pay by having commercials injected into the response. you get what you want - madison ave gets what it wants. i DO object to email spams - your email costs you money - internet is not a public airway - no one has the right to make you pay. i'll see how many people feel the same way - personally i'm sick and tired of spams. all i ask is if you like spams - DON'T BOTHER TELLING ME SO. for those of you who want to respond in the traditional manner, here's a relevant list of culprits (perhaps some innocent - tough). postmaster@emxp.com admin@valleynet.com, sysadmin@valleynet.com hostmaster@thesphere.com, pinoy@thespere.com and here's my idea to deal with this problem. perhaps we need a spam faq - educate the public on how to spot a spam, how to trace where it came from, and how to respond. maybe freebsd.org would like to be the first to host this spam faq. (btw, for those who do not know, you respond by sending email to the above, and tell them 1) this is a spam, and 2) no has the right ....) so here's a short outline for the faq using this spam How to Spot a SPAM (and SPAM Spot Remover Instructions ;-) 1. spammers are cowards - they know what they are doing is wrong. so they try to hide their tracks and identity. 2. so, if an email (like this one) looks totally generic; maybe pretends to be an innocent mistake - it is most likely a spam. but there's much more you can do to convince yourself. here's the spam dissected: > > ======================================================= > Hi, huh? do i know you? why don't you use my name? pretty generic, eh? > > Came across this web site and thought you might be > interested. It's about the best selling recording > of all time. You can find it at - > came across it doing what? rotten fish is rotten fish - this stinks. > http://199.182.213.77/britside.html > > Talk with you soon. > > J > ah hah! the big tipoff - no identity! an IP address for the host? why? signed J - who the hell is J? 3) if the email message looks anonymous, good tip off that it's a spam. more you can do to build incontrovertible evidence. 4) look at the headers - in this case there's no Subject (bit unusual); look at the From:, it's from Email Express (for sure a legitimate outfit that will deny everything and say it was all a mistake - you believe that sucka); if your email client supports it (or using some direct viewer) you would see an Apparently-To: Music@emxp.com line - this is a mailing list - it's not directed to an individual. and besides, i'm never signed up for any such list; never before got email from it, etc. 5) additional header info really tips this off as a spam - they are trying so hard to hide their faces in the following way: Received: (from www@localhost) by emxp.com localhost? you got something to hide? oh, excuse me, it's an intranet misconfiguration error (yeah sucka). 6) convinced - great - now who do you complain to. unfortunately this is the difficult part since many people don't know how to track this type of stuff and even worst, popular OSes like Windows95 typically don't have the needed tools. but here's a summary how you get a list of culprits: a) use whois to find out who's the emxp.com domain; from that you get the postmaster contact and domain servers (maybe innocent - maybe not) b) again use whois to check out valleynet.com - the emxp domain servers - get valleynet contacts and see they do their own domain servers so we're at a whois deadend (for now). c) now use traceroute to see where this anonymous IP address is located - from this you learn the ip address is www.pinoy.net - ah, now let's use whois again. d) now whois tells us about the pinoy@thesphere.com contact - i've seen enough to be very suspicious - given the titles of the people and that this IP address maps to a userid - no make sense that it's a mistake - if it walks, talks, smells like a spam - it is. now the bad news. these people are amateurs - the tracking info in this case is just too good. there are better ways to do this - ways that would make identification of closely related parties very difficult. i have in fact been contacted by a few companies asking me to design such a system for them. (no kidding! i'll send my resume to anyone who asks and they'll see why i would be the ideal person to do this). so someday, it will happen. that's why if you're sick and tired of spams, and even more importantly stand for the principle that says spamming is wrong, now is the time to do something (some more ideas - a spammer registry (i.e. internet molesters) - more info on spotting a spam like recently registered domain - a volunteer SERT (Spam Emergency Response Team) organization of individuals with the technical knowledge to provide the rest of the internet with a list of culprits, etc.). now for the final fun. remember that Apparently-To: email address - well that's how this whole thing got started. i'm gonna see how smart these people are and i am cc'ing this email to that address (PLEASE - NO ONE ELSE DO THAT!). if they are dumb jerks, this anti spam message will boomerang on them! everyone who got the spam will now get this email. we shall see. have fun, rich p.s. to spam for the cause of stopping spamming? has it been done before? tis the only nobel spam, the one to end all spams. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:41:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08311 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08301; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07940; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:35:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605231835.LAA07940@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: runaway processes To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:35:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: sfinn@thecore.com, gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, gfoster@gfoster.com, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199605230526.OAA07307@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at May 23, 96 02:56:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >> When a user logs off without exiting pine the processes begin using > > >> lots of CPU and cannot be killed with -INT. Has a fix or workaround > > >> been developed for this? (Yeah, I know, don't run pine :-)! > > > > > >This is a bug in pine. Try ``kill -9 ''. That should do it nicely > > >:-) There is an update to pine (if I remember), but the new version > > >may have other problems too... > > > > We have used pine 3.91 thru 3.93 and the problem persists ;-) > > > > Even rtin 1.3 950824BETA PL0 displays this behavior. > > It's not like it's not _documented_ or anything. From the read(2) manpage: > > RETURN VALUES > If successful, the number of bytes actually read is returned. Upon read- > ing end-of-file, zero is returned. Otherwise, a -1 is returned and the > global variable errno is set to indicate the error. > > The problem is that the losers who wrote the stuff never bothered to > test for this; they expect an error condition on stdin instead. > > The correct fix is for you to hunt down all the places in the offending > programs where read() is called on stdin and patch them to check for '0' > return, and then pester the maintainers and forward patches to the ports > people. > > Otherwise this will never be fixed. With respect, I *still* disagree about the interpretation of POSIX SIGHUP that resulted in this state of affairs in the first place. I believe that most programs *do* handle this problem, either by explicitly catching SIGHUP and processing it, or by taking the default action for SIGHUP, and exiting. Most mail programs are in the first category in order to restore mailboxes. You need only look at csh, tcsh, and bsch "&" processing and ash, pdksh, and bash "nohup" processing to see that child processes of the controlling process for a tty are expected to be sent SIGHUP as well as the controlling process, based on the process group (pay specific attention to the fact that signal masks are inherited over exec). That is, the signal is sent *before* the revocation takes place, not after. This is the behaviour on SVR4, Linux, SunOS, Solaris, AIX, etc.. I realize we are holier than them (8-)), but this needs to be fixed in the SIGHUP handler and the propagation of signals to process group members on gsignal() prior to revocation. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 11:42:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08353 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08348 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA07955; Thu, 23 May 1996 11:35:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605231835.LAA07955@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Free Unix for old Sun? To: steve@microdot.com (Steve M. Spiller) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:35:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Steve M. Spiller" at May 23, 96 07:27:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I know this doesn't directly relate to FreeBSD ( although I do run it on > my i486 PC ), but I was hoping someone out there may know if there is a > free unix ( FreeBSD / NetBSD / etc ) available for a Sun 3/80 ( sun3x )? NetBSD will run on Sun (68k) hardware. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 12:36:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA11977 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us (root@cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11960 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 192.154.67.26 by cs14.pds.charlotte.nc.us with smtp Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0uMgFr-0009s6C; Thu, 23 May 96 15:41 EDT Message-ID: <31A486DF.24BE@luigistoaster.pds.charlotte.nc.us> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 15:40:15 +0000 From: David Bernat Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What are the Discriptions of the Files??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm installing FreeBSD from a MS-DOS Partition. I'm FTPing them off your site then installing What I would like to know is the discription of each DIR ex. bin, commerce, etc. What do All these things do, and what ones are essential??? Thank you, David Bernat From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 12:40:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA12291 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.nation-net.com (mailgate.nation-net.com [194.159.125.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12180 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from w14.winecellar.co.uk (194.159.125.14) by mailgate.nation-net.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 23 May 1996 20:40:57 +0000 Message-ID: <31A4BED5.5B9A@nation-net.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:39:01 +0100 From: Paul Walsh Organization: Walsh Simmons X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Router IP address Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When the freeBSD box is routing, the router IP and the boxes IP are one in the same. Is that right? Then how do I give the router a separate IP address?? Regards, Paul Walsh. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 12:42:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA12375 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luigistoaster.pds.charlotte.nc.us (luigistoaster.pds.charlotte.nc.us [192.154.67.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12359 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by luigistoaster.pds.charlotte.nc.us (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00219; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:45:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 15:45:41 -0400 (EDT) From: David Bernat Subject: Discription of the DIR's To: questions@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would like to know what the DIR's are ex. bin, commerce, etc. What are they, what do they do And which ones are essential to running FreeBSD??? thank you, David Bernat From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 12:45:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA12608 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ylana.vet.purdue.edu (vet.vet.purdue.edu [128.210.79.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12600 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ylana.vet.purdue.edu (localhost.vet.purdue.edu [127.0.0.1]) by ylana.vet.purdue.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00415 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:45:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199605231945.OAA00415@ylana.vet.purdue.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Playing audio CDs on EIDE CD drive From: Benjamin Lewis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:45:17 -0500 Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi- I recently purchased a new computer, and although I have an Adaptec 2940UW controlling the hard drive, the CD-ROM drive is hanging off the primary EIDE controller. Everything works great except for some problems with playing audio CDs, no matter which cd playing program I use (I've tried xmcd2.0, xcdplayer, cdcontrol, workman and xcd): - The track list has bogus times that look like uninitiated values for all tracks - Pressing the "next track" button or trying to select a track by track number fails - I can select and play any part of the disc if I specify it in total elapsed time in cdcontrol - this would be great except that the track list is mangled and I can't find which times to select :) I _can_ play audio CD's, but it's an all-or-nothing deal since I can't select which tracks to play. Is there a patch floating around for this? I have dim memories of this coming up in -questions before, but wasn't really able to find anything useful in the archives. Relevant dmesg stuff: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Tue Jan 1 13:22:25 EST 1980 root@ylana.home.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/YLANA * The date should have been 5/21/96 above - it got reset * while I was wrestling with the BIOS and I didn't notice * Sources were from CTM up to src-cur.1800A -> 1809 * 2.2-SNAP-960501 displayed the same symptoms wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, intr, iordy atapi0.0: unknown phase * The CD-ROM drive is the only E/IDE device in the system cdcontrol -f /dev/wcd0c stuff: cdcontrol> info Starting track = 1, ending track = 10, TOC size = 90 bytes track start duration block length type ------------------------------------------------- 1 0:09.20 60:02.60 545 270060 audio 2 60:10.05 71:09.22 270605 320047 audio 3 131:17.27 59:17.70 590652 266695 audio 4 190:33.22 28:18.42 857347 127242 audio 5 218:49.64 189:29.00 984589 -948691 audio 6 8:00.48 57:59.34 35898 260809 audio 7 65:58.07 71:53.03 296707 323328 audio 8 137:49.10 59:15.28 620035 266503 audio 9 197:02.38 204:02.06 886538 -883210 audio 10 0:46.28 36:40.31 3328 164881 audio 170 37:24.59 - 168209 - - cdcontrol> play 1 <- works cdcontrol> play 2 cdcontrol: Input/output error cdcontrol> play 1 2 cdcontrol: Input/output error cdcontrol> play 3:04 3:16 <- works cdcontrol> play 30:12 30:22 <- works xmcd errors from pressing ">>|" button while disc is playing: CD audio: ioctl error on /dev/rwcd0c: cmd=CDIOCPLAYMSF errno=5 xcdplayer -c /dev/wcd0c errors from pressing ">>|" while disc playing: ioctl(cdromplaymsftrk): Input/output error A "total time remaining" display on track 3: -4294967175:25 xmcd & xcdplayer were both compiled from the ports-current collection which I grabbed a couple days before rebuilding the kernel (about 5/19). Anybody have any suggestions? Thank you, -Ben -- Benjamin Lewis - blewis@vet.purdue.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 12:47:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA12697 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12686 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA08081; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:40:20 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605231940.MAA08081@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: rexx for FreeBSD To: dojai@mail.ufv.br (Eduardo Jaime Quiros Batres) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:40:20 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Eduardo Jaime Quiros Batres" at May 23, 96 09:41:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I want to implement rexx (regina or imc) on my FreeBSD 2.1.0. Is > this possible? Do you have the modifications necessary for the Makefile > of regina (or imc) to work? Or is there any other free rexx around > there that works with FreeBSD? I thought regina had been ported. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 12:50:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA12964 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12955 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA08096; Thu, 23 May 1996 12:44:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199605231944.MAA08096@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: multi-homed machine and sendmail To: jonas@mcs.com (Lars Jonas Olsson) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:44:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, jonas@mcs.net In-Reply-To: from "Lars Jonas Olsson" at May 23, 96 11:54:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What magic do I put in my .mc file to get a machine with two internet > interfaces to accept mail for both nets? I have a SLIP host name > (jonas.pr.mcs.net) and a internal 10.* network with hostname > mail.accumed-int.com. I have no running DNS. My .mc file currently > looks like: In the cf file, you can put Cwlocalhost jonas.pr.mcs.net (assuing your local net name is the cacnonical name). I don't know what you put in the mc to get that in the cf after it is done processing. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 13:16:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14961 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (wkuvx1.wku.edu [161.6.5.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14956 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pulsar.cs.wku.edu by WKUVX1.WKU.EDU (MX V4.2 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:16:05 CST Received: by pulsar.cs.wku.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03000; Thu, 23 May 1996 15:17:55 -0500 From: sfuqua@pulsar.cs.wku.edu (Stephen Fuqua) Message-ID: <9605232017.AA03000@pulsar.cs.wku.edu> Subject: what to do with ATAPI CDROM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 15:17:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Aside from the obvious suggestion of replacing it with scsi, is there any hope for getting my sony ATAPI cdrom working? I've compiled a new kernel with the ATAPI options compiled in. The result I get is the same as when I use the atapi floppy from 2.1 -- the kernel probes for the device at the right interrupt and the right address, the hard drive light comes on and nothing happens. The harddrive light stays on until the computer does a cold reboot, although the computer performs normally. I've also tried moving the CDROM to be a slave on the same controller as the harddrive; the hard drive disappears, despite changing the jumpers on the drives and the controller card. Does the code from the latest snap do better with ATAPI drives? Is there a patch somewhere I could try? The stuff I could find in the archives isn't very encouraging. I've installed via a dos partition, but with only a shell account connection to the net and a slow modem, I want to use the CDROM with BSD for the ports collection. The drive works fine under Win95 and Linux, but I want to run BSD... From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 13:51:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA17877 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwbone.bsi.com.br (cwbone.bsi.com.br [200.250.250.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17860 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jalves@localhost) by cwbone.bsi.com.br (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA11321; Thu, 23 May 1996 17:52:11 GMT Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:52:10 +0000 () From: Joao Alves Junior To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: harvest Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Could anyone tell me where I can find "harvest" for FreeBSD???? Thanks Joao Alves Junior From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 13:54:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA18175 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18169; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA02820; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:54:27 -0700 (PDT) To: Branson Matheson cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer), freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@freefall.FreeBSD.org (Jordan K. Hubbard) Subject: Re: BSD vs Linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 May 1996 13:53:31 EDT." <199605231753.NAA07996@longstreet.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:54:27 -0700 Message-ID: <2818.832884867@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > YES! I will even be glad to htmlize this if they are willing to put > it up! .. Jordan who should I be talking to to see this thru? If you come up with all the content for this, don't worry - finding it an adequate number of homes will not be a problem. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-questions Thu May 23 14:19:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-questions Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA20589 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistery.mcafee.com (jimd@mistery.mcafee.com [192.187.128.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20581 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jimd@localhost) by mistery.mcafee.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA13155 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:34:41 -0700 From: Jim Dennis Message-Id: <199605232134.OAA13155@mistery.mcafee.com> Subject: How do I redirect *all* http traffic from one host to another To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Questions) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 14:34:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-questions@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well the old Sun4 is dying (got some parity errors and died this morning -- cleaning the SIMMS contacts has brought it up for now -- but ...) So my boss is finally following my advice and letting me configure a PC with FreeBSD to take over that role (as the primary DNS server, and mailhost for our domain). While I'm at it I'd like to a webserver on that box to redirect any HTTP traffic to our main web server (www.mcafee.com) (basically to gracefully redirect anyone who requests: http://mcafee.com). I know how to use a CGI-bin to do a redirection (just 'echo "Location: http://www.mcafee.com"; echo') But how can I do that with my main index.html file? Can I do this with some tag or with X-bit hack and a