From owner-freebsd-www Mon Dec 9 19:53:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA04111 for www-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA04106 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 19:53:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA22762 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:53:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 22:53:45 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: www@freebsd.org Subject: testing... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk www@freebsd.org is now (supposedly) a majordomo list. Just testing... -john From owner-freebsd-www Mon Dec 9 20:22:01 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA06814 for www-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA06805 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 20:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22802; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:21:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:21:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Serge G. Kruk" cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Archive problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Serge G. Kruk wrote: > It seems the archives are never accessible from the page :-( The disk holding the archives failed a couple days ago. It may be several days before things are back in order. -john From owner-freebsd-www Mon Dec 9 23:37:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA25235 for www-outgoing; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from io.uwinnipeg.ca (io.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA25230 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from theory.uwinnipeg.ca (theory.uwinnipeg.ca [142.132.1.40]) by io.uwinnipeg.ca (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04378 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:39:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost by theory.uwinnipeg.ca (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17540; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:39:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 01:39:09 -0600 (CST) From: Randy Kobes X-Sender: randy@theory To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Form interface Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I just thought I'd drop a line to mention that, as an exercise, we made up a form-based interface to search the freebsd archives - this also allows one to choose one of the mirrors as the ftp site. It's at http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/search/freebsd-search.html Best regards, Randy Kobes Physics Department Phone: (204) 786-9399 University of Winnipeg Fax: (204) 774-4134 Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 e-mail: randy@theory.uwinnipeg.ca Canada WWW/ftp/gopher: theory.uwinnipeg.ca From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 06:26:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA03838 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from theoden.adc.com (theoden.adc.com [155.226.16.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA03787 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from theoden (mad@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by theoden.adc.com with SMTP (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02211 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:24:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <32AD72B9.13D3@adc.com> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:24:57 -0600 From: "Michael A. Dorin" Organization: ADC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@freebsd.org Subject: archives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Whats happening with the archives? -Mike From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 06:57:03 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA06379 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA06373 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 06:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23952 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:57:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 09:57:00 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: www@freebsd.org Subject: testing again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just checking again, now that the subscriber list is (supposedly) correct. -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 07:12:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA07276 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA07270 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24078; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:12:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:12:40 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Michael A. Dorin" cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: archives In-Reply-To: <32AD72B9.13D3@adc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Michael A. Dorin wrote: > Whats happening with the archives? Hard drive failure. The drive has been replaced as of this morning, the archives will be coming back a bit later. -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 08:51:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA12442 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from phouka.oss.uswest.net (phouka.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.48]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA12437 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 08:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from phouka.oss.uswest.net (localhost.uswest.net [127.0.0.1]) by phouka.oss.uswest.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10828 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:50:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <32AD94DD.41C67EA6@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:50:37 -0600 From: Brett Rabe Reply-To: brett@uswest.net Organization: US West !nteract Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with archive searching Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What's up with searching the archives? I haven't been able to since last Friday.... keep getting a message saying they are unavailable? -- Brett Rabe E: brett@uswest.net Systems Administrator P: 612.951.4138 !nteract Internet Services F: 612.672.4131 / 4132 -------------- From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 10:41:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA20997 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:41:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from seguin.neis.net (seguin.neis.net [204.249.228.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA20991 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pete.neis.net ([206.106.237.16]) by seguin.neis.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA12830 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:47:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961210134150.006f2524@204.249.228.2> X-Sender: pete@204.249.228.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:41:58 -0500 To: www@freebsd.org From: "Peter M. Murray" Subject: Mailing list index Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi folks, I have been trying to access the FreeBSD mailing list archives for the past couple of days with no luck. Are they being rebuilt or something? Is there an expected date of reconstitution? -pete Peter M. Murray pete@neis.net From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 11:18:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA22938 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA22927 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24706; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:18:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:18:30 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Peter M. Murray" cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mailing list index In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19961210134150.006f2524@204.249.228.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Peter M. Murray wrote: > I have been trying to access the FreeBSD mailing list archives for the past > couple of days with no luck. Are they being rebuilt or something? Is > there an expected date of reconstitution? Hard drive failed last week. The indexes are being rebuilt this very moment. Announce through Fs are done... -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 11:18:58 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA22954 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA22946 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24702; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:18:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:18:09 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Brett Rabe cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with archive searching In-Reply-To: <32AD94DD.41C67EA6@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Brett Rabe wrote: > What's up with searching the archives? I haven't been able to > since last Friday.... keep getting a message saying they are > unavailable? Hard drive failed last week. The indexes are being rebuilt this very moment. Announce through Fs are done... -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 13:49:31 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA04114 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from dolphin (dolphin-20.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.20.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA04109 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by dolphin (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09242; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:47:56 +1100 From: wkt@csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au (Warren Toomey) Message-Id: <9612102147.AA09242@dolphin> Subject: Re: Which supfile ? To: www@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:47:56 +1100 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Dec 9, 96 06:05:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In atricle by John Fieber: > On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Michael Beckmann wrote: > > > This confuses me a bit. Does this mean there is no sup server that serves > > the current www documents at this time ? > > That is the case! Too bad I didn't find out about it until after > it happened. :-/ > > Anyway, late december to early january, www.freebsd.org will be > migrated to another machine and an official mirroring mechanism > and policy should be formalized at that point. In the meantime, > Warren's tweaked rsync seems to work like a charm (and will > likely be the official preferred mirror method). Typical results: 28K data transfer from www.freebsd.org to synchronise the web tree (approx. 1Meg). Cheers, Warren From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 16:54:55 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA17049 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA17044; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca18-18.ix.netcom.com [204.32.168.210]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA17480; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:54:19 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) id QAA16211; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:54:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 16:54:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612110054.QAA16211@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr CC: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Subject: Re: tcl-7.5 port missing from archive on ftp.freebsd.org From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > * > is missing, although there is a link to it from * > * > * * It needs to be updated... Thanks for noticing. Wasn't this updated nightly at 4AM? Now that I checked it, it still says "690 ports" and dated 11/26. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 17:21:59 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA20159 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA20142 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca18-18.ix.netcom.com [204.32.168.210]) by dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA19552; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:18:58 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.4/8.6.9) id RAA16308; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:18:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:18:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199612110118.RAA16308@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: FreeBSD-gnats@freefall.freebsd.org, jlemon@americantv.com, www@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199612102230.OAA07250@freefall.freebsd.org> (jlemon@americantv.com) Subject: Re: ports/2190: need cross-reference to xpdf from X11 ports tree From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * On the ports web page, xpdf is listed under graphics, but not under * X11. I looked under X11 first, and not finding it, assumed that it wasn't * ported to FreeBSD. Shouldn't there be a crossreference here somewhere? The "x11" category is not intended for X applications (otherwise half the ports tree would be there), but for utilities for the X Window System itself, such as font editors, window managers, widget sets, etc. (Or "the" X Window System itself, as in the case of x11/XFree86 :) It is recommended to consult the "list of all ports" if you are in doubt, categories are sometimes unclear in this respect. However, it is also clear that the ports that you find in the current "x11" category gives you the false impression that it includes everything that uses X. Hmm. Let me think about this. Maybe we can split up the X category (the one in the CATEGORIES line, not the subdirectory) "x11-apps", "x11-base", "x11-wm", "x11-term", "x11-widgets", etc. There also should be a way to add a short "comment" field to the category name, as currently the ports web page doesn't include one and is sort of cryptic. (We do have a x11/pkg/COMMENT file, for instance, but it is not necessary that the categories have the same name as the subdirectories in the ports tree, so we can't use that.) Hmm. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 21:24:37 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA15047 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ort.org.il (ort.org.il [199.203.20.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA15032 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eyacohen@localhost) by ort.org.il (8.8.4/8.7.3) id HAA06176; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:24:26 +0200 (GMT+0200) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:24:26 +0200 (GMT+0200) Message-Id: <199612110524.HAA06176@ort.org.il> To: www@freebsd.org X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.6 X-Personal_name: sys man From: sys.man@ort.org.il Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Cc: hi@ort.org.il Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi man live me message my name : eyacohen in ort net From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 21:25:23 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA15108 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: owner-freebsd-www Received: from ort.org.il (ort.org.il [199.203.20.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA15103 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 21:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eyacohen@localhost) by ort.org.il (8.8.4/8.7.3) id HAA06211; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:25:17 +0200 (GMT+0200) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:25:17 +0200 (GMT+0200) Message-Id: <199612110525.HAA06211@ort.org.il> To: www@freebsd.org X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.6 X-Personal_name: sys man Subject: ran_g@netvision.net.il Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi man it's me shay call me voice 04-8419169 From owner-freebsd-www Tue Dec 10 22:01:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA18542 for www-outgoing; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:01:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA18537 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA02436 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:01:46 -0800 (PST) To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ran_g@netvision.net.il In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:25:17 +0200." <199612110525.HAA06211@ort.org.il> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:01:46 -0800 Message-ID: <2433.850284106@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > hi man > it's me shay > call me voice > 04-8419169 This mailing list collects some of the most interesting mails sometimes.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Wed Dec 11 11:17:30 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA00560 for www-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA00554; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 11:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA02309; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:17:21 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Satoshi Asami cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tcl-7.5 port missing from archive on ftp.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199612110054.QAA16211@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > Wasn't this updated nightly at 4AM? Now that I checked it, it still > says "690 ports" and dated 11/26. I turned off the autopilot when /f died on freefall. Its back on now. -john From owner-freebsd-www Wed Dec 11 12:19:54 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA06186 for www-outgoing; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA06180; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02451; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:19:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 15:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Satoshi Asami cc: ports@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports/2190: need cross-reference to xpdf from X11 ports tree In-Reply-To: <199612110118.RAA16308@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * On the ports web page, xpdf is listed under graphics, but not under > * X11. I looked under X11 first, and not finding it, assumed that it wasn't > * ported to FreeBSD. Shouldn't there be a crossreference here somewhere? > > The "x11" category is not intended for X applications (otherwise half > the ports tree would be there), With respect to xpdf, on the three occasions I've updated my port, I've always had trouble finding it as I instinctively equate postscript with two-dimensional static media, namely "print". I think a cross refernce there would be quite useful. > There also should be a way to add a short "comment" field to the > category name, as currently the ports web page doesn't include one and > is sort of cryptic. [WARNING: rambling ahead] Back in the good old days when the ports collection was small, finding things in a primative organizational scheme was easy. Now that the collection is growing by leaps and bounds, the interface to the collection itself becomes more critical. Activities range from simply finding new ports, to knowing what versions of what ports you have installed, being alerted when those particular ones have been updated (including update summaries), semi-automated retrieval and installation ("Click here to install") and the like. Most of this boils down to database operations. When thinking about how to improve on the www interface (and there is lots of room for that!), I keep scratching my head thinking "gee, if this stuff were all in a relational database, this would be a snap!". The ports collection meta-information is set up well for orchestrating the building of ports, but as a database, it seems a little ad-hoc. Cvs is handy for version control on individual files, but pathetic for just about any other sort of database type task. It is sort of like a library catalog where the only available search key is the call number. The ports collection clearly needs more than that, thus the creation of a secondary database, currently in the form of the INDEX file. Generating this repeatedly from scratch is terribly inefficient. What is needed is a secondary database that is updated in real-time as the cvs repository is updated. I'm no cvs wizard, but it should be possible to plant a hook in cvs to manage the updates in real-time as commits are made. A script would only need to know the name of the single affected port and it could then collect whatever information is needed for a rich, rapid access secondary database. This strikes me as being phenomenally more efficient than re-scanning the entire cvs port collection and rebuilding the INDEX file from scratch every time. This could also serve as the basis for a client-server ports/package management system, allowing people to keep their *installed* ports up-to-date without having to have the ports collection itself installed locally. Again, as the ports collection grows, keeping a local copy becomes more of a problem for people tight on disk space. Anyway, to the point, I think its time to start a closer evaluation of the ports mechanism from a access interface standpoint and see how things can be improved. In a year or so, when we have 3274 ports, I think the current arrangement will become rather awkward! Okay, I've got two more term paper to write in the next couple days. More later... -john From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 02:07:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA03469 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from solar.tlk.com (root@solar.tlk.com [194.97.84.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id CAA03403; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by solar.tlk.com id ; Thu, 12 Dec 96 11:06 MET Message-Id: From: torstenb@solar.tlk.com (Torsten Blum) Subject: Re: ports/2190: need cross-reference to xpdf from X11 ports tree In-Reply-To: from John Fieber at "Dec 11, 96 03:19:50 pm" To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:06:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: asami@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Reply-To: torstenb@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL26 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Fieber wrote: > Back in the good old days when the ports collection was small, > finding things in a primative organizational scheme was easy. > Now that the collection is growing by leaps and bounds, the > interface to the collection itself becomes more critical. agreed > Activities range from simply finding new ports, to knowing what > versions of what ports you have installed, being alerted when > those particular ones have been updated (including update > summaries), semi-automated retrieval and installation ("Click > here to install") and the like. I think we really need a notification service for the ports area, but... > I'm no cvs wizard, but it should be possible to plant a hook in > cvs to manage the updates in real-time as commits are made. A > script would only need to know the name of the single affected > port and it could then collect whatever information is needed for > a rich, rapid access secondary database. This strikes me as > being phenomenally more efficient than re-scanning the entire cvs > port collection and rebuilding the INDEX file from scratch every > time. These notification messages should be limited to changes affecting the installation. No Notification should ne send if the vars in the port Makefile are reorg. or the master site has changed (just examples). For most people this is just "noise" - they don't care about it... This makes the real-time update of a "ports database" during cvs commits more difficult. -tb From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 02:45:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA05042 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.my.domain (fish-43.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.10.43]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA05033; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:45:28 -0800 (PST) From: dicen@hooked.net Received: from pegasus (localhost.hooked.net [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16677; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:45:15 GMT Message-ID: <32AF71BA.794BDF32@hooked.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:45:14 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: torstenb@freebsd.org CC: John Fieber , asami@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports/2190: need cross-reference to xpdf from X11 ports tree References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Torsten Blum wrote: > > John Fieber wrote: > > > Back in the good old days when the ports collection was small, > > finding things in a primative organizational scheme was easy. > > Now that the collection is growing by leaps and bounds, the > > interface to the collection itself becomes more critical. > > agreed > > > Activities range from simply finding new ports, to knowing what > > versions of what ports you have installed, being alerted when > > those particular ones have been updated (including update > > summaries), semi-automated retrieval and installation ("Click > > here to install") and the like. > > I think we really need a notification service for the ports area, > but... > > > I'm no cvs wizard, but it should be possible to plant a hook in > > cvs to manage the updates in real-time as commits are made. A > > script would only need to know the name of the single affected > > port and it could then collect whatever information is needed for > > a rich, rapid access secondary database. This strikes me as > > being phenomenally more efficient than re-scanning the entire cvs Well, I think sup.freebsd.org would always have to scan all the ports unless you downloaded the entire /usr/ports tree. You can't have the master site or server go out to the clients, you must have the clients go to the server. This however does not represent a problem. > > port collection and rebuilding the INDEX file from scratch every > > time. I totally agree here. The ports management system (or lack there of) needs major improvement. The package system isn't much better. > > These notification messages should be limited to changes affecting the > installation. No Notification should ne send if the vars in the > port Makefile are reorg. or the master site has changed (just examples). > For most people this is just "noise" - they don't care about it... > Not for me it isn't. When new FreeBSD releases are installed a lot of ports and packages ussually break. A library gets renamed the /proc file system is changeg, etc.. This is really anoying. > This makes the real-time update of a "ports database" during cvs commits > more difficult. > > -tb Nah, Rubbish. cvs commits would update the ports database yes at the master site. It would not update everyones ports databases since they would have to go update there own systems from the database at the master site. What needs to be done is simple. Instead of having all of these ports in /usr/ports with only some of them installed. A database needs to be made that contains only those ports that have been compiled and then installed as a package. Then just run sup ports-cvs to update all of the ports in /usr/ports. If on the local system if one or more of these ports happens to change when the /usr/ports are updated then run a script which reinstalls the port. Not hard. Another thing: Why not use the Red Hat Port Managment system. Haveing SRPMS packages would be the way to go here. It has already been done so you don't have to code it and it is sort of the Free OS industry standard now. dicen From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 03:02:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA05675 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA05668; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA04019; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:02:28 -0800 (PST) To: dicen@hooked.net cc: torstenb@freebsd.org, John Fieber , asami@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports/2190: need cross-reference to xpdf from X11 ports tree In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:45:14 GMT." <32AF71BA.794BDF32@hooked.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:02:28 -0800 Message-ID: <4015.850388548@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I totally agree here. The ports management system (or lack there of) > needs major improvement. The package system isn't much better. We arrive at this point about once every 6 months. In order to save time for all concerned, here's the script we generally use: 0. Someone complains about an obvious shortcoming of the ports & packaging system which has been known about for (checks watch) going on 3 years now. 1. I respond with "we know both systems are deficient, please submit your prototype code for improving it and we'll start the review process; a catalog of shortcomings we already have, it's working solutions we need now." 2. The original folks complaining about the ports/package system come back with "oh, I'm much too busy/inexperienced/tired to actually do anything about it right now, I just thought you'd want to know." 3. A few people who are genuinely motivated to work on the problem but truly far too busy to do anything else submit tentative proposals "in case anyone should want to pick [the problem] up." Someone also usually suggests the PRMs about this point and starts a whole sub-discussion on their shortcomings. 4. I submit a longer proposal based on several of the other proposals which only one or two people actually read, the rest going "damn, there's another really long proposal from jkh! I'll, erm, file it." 5. Most agree that there have been some "really good ideas discussed, yep, and wouldn't the ports/packages system be better off if someone implemented them. Yep." 6. Silence. 7. Unconditional branch to step 0. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 03:38:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA07425 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.my.domain (fish-43.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.10.43]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA07415; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:38:19 -0800 (PST) From: dicen@hooked.net Received: from pegasus (localhost.hooked.net [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA18616; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:37:36 GMT Message-ID: <32AF7DFD.15FB7483@hooked.net> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 03:37:33 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: torstenb@freebsd.org, John Fieber , asami@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports/2190: need cross-reference to xpdf from X11 ports tree References: <4015.850388548@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I totally agree here. The ports management system (or lack there of) > > needs major improvement. The package system isn't much better. > > We arrive at this point about once every 6 months. In order to save > time for all concerned, here's the script we generally use: > > 0. Someone complains about an obvious shortcoming of the ports & packaging > system which has been known about for (checks watch) going on 3 years > now. > > 1. I respond with "we know both systems are deficient, please submit your > prototype code for improving it and we'll start the review process; a > catalog of shortcomings we already have, it's working solutions we need > now." > > 2. The original folks complaining about the ports/package system > come back with "oh, I'm much too busy/inexperienced/tired to actually > do anything about it right now, I just thought you'd want to know." > No sorry, this isn't me. > 3. A few people who are genuinely motivated to work on the problem but > truly far too busy to do anything else submit tentative proposals > "in case anyone should want to pick [the problem] up." Someone also > usually suggests the PRMs about this point and starts a whole > sub-discussion on their shortcomings. This is where I come in but I don't do the discussions. I have hated this damn ports system so long. This is what I am doing. For a temporary fix I will finish the little scripts I started that update the ports when the entire /usr/ports tree is updated with cvs. I don't consider this much of anything though. For a more permanent system I will look into rmp. I would like to use redhats X based apps motified for FreeBSD. I don't know much about them, can I get the source or does Red Hat own that part? Failing X based rpm I may go still use text based rmp. I will see how it goes. In the meen time this is the load you will expect on your server sup.FreeBSD.org if that is what users are expected to use. A. A user wishes to install a port. He types ...portinstall foobar..... 0. Error checking done. 1. The user's /usr/ports is updated with cvs. 2. A make is done in the appropriate directory to install the port. 3. If successful a make install is done. 4. If successful a database file is updated (text file) saying the port installed with version fooversion. 5. If not successful an error message is returned. 6. A make clean is done in the appropriate directory. B. A user wishes to update all of the ports. He types ...portupdate all... 0. Error checking done. 1. The user's /usr/ports is updated with cvs. 2. A loop begins. 3. A make is done in an installed ports directory. 4. If successful a pkg_delete is executed to remove the port's old installed files. (unless make reinstall always works which I doubt) 5. If successfull a make install is done of the new port. 6. If not successful an error is printed. 7. Loop back to 2. Depending on the time it takes to do a cvs and how many ports are installed, it may be wise to do a fetch for the ports themselves from ftp.freebsd.org or a mirror. This would replace 1. is both A and B with fetches. Other options that would be nice are CFLAGS settings and which compiler to use (although this introduces dependences) in the ports database file. Now what all of this leaves out is maintaining the ftp.freebsd.org site. That is the hard part. The /usr/ports must be uptodate. I never said I would write those scripts. I suspect that have already been written. dicen I don't do the politico bellow. > > 4. I submit a longer proposal based on several of the other proposals > which only one or two people actually read, the rest going "damn, > there's another really long proposal from jkh! I'll, erm, file it." > > 5. Most agree that there have been some "really good ideas discussed, yep, > and wouldn't the ports/packages system be better off if someone > implemented them. Yep." > > 6. Silence. > > 7. Unconditional branch to step 0. > > :-) > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 13:57:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA09643 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:57:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA09637; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA07406; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:57:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:57:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New composition of the FreeBSD documentation team. In-Reply-To: <10411.850399767@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Wow! :-) Wow! :-) General random notes, not all applicable to all people. Most everyone on this list should have (a) and account on freefall (and spatter after the web service migrate) and (b) have either cvs commit rights to the www tree *or* arrange for a proxy who has such rights. If neither of these are case, begin negotiation with Jordan. The News Bureau and Advertising Division (gallery/commercial) have things they can easily get started on immediately. Next, I've taken the liberty of adding everybody to the freebsd-www@freebsd.org mailing list. Third, I'm always available as an SGML consultant. Fourth, What you see on www.freebsd.org comes out of the CVS repository. At 4:00am freefall time, every day, a `build' copy of the pages is updated from the repository. The pages are then built (via makefiles, similar to the freebsd distribution itself) which mostly involves passing the HTML files through an SGML validator/normalizer, and generating various things that don't exist natively in HTML (handbook, FAQ, tutorials, ports pages, server stats...). This is all installed in a temporary directory and indexed. If all went well, the new tree is swapped in and the old tree swapped out (but not deleted until the next build, so there is always disaster recovery). Generally, if someone commits some bogus HTML or something, the build will abort at which point I fix it and (depending on the importance of the change) manually start a rebuild or let it wait until the next time around. Fifth, to ensure mirrorability, all URLs (except a few cgi-generated rogues) are relative. This means that you can easily install a test copy of the pages in your own ~/public_html directory for testing. In fact, if you checkout the www tree and do a `make install', that is where it ends up by default (in a `data' subdirectory actually, so it doesn't spam your home page). If you want to do this "at home", in addition to a stock freebsd distribution, you will need James Clark's SP package, which includes the SGML normalizer/validator. This is a critical component as the normalizer allows us to utilize a number of valuable, sanity saving SGML features that cannot be used with existing HTML browsers. I have a port of this, but have yet to submit it to the ports collection because of some rough edges (eg installing documentation). You also need the HTML dtds, which I think I should just commit to the cvs tree for convenience. Additionally, if you have a 2.1.6 or earlier release, you will also need to pick up a couple things from current: src/usr.bin/sgmlfmt src/usr.bin/sgmls src/share/sgml Do the appropriate `make all install' and you should be on your way. If you want postscript/ascii generation of the handbook/FAQ/tutorials to work right, you also need the groff mm macros from current. > Mirror Manager: Ulf Zimmermann > Deputy MM: John Cavanaugh First task assignment: Find out who is the webmaster for the mirrors currently listed on the home page and get their email addresses added to the freebsd-www@freebsd.org mailing list. Second would be to draft a mirroring policy (Thou shalt run FreeBSD and Apache. Thou shalt run cgi scripts. Thou shalt syncronize with the master server once a day) and mechanism document (Warren's rsync currently). This should be an HTML document in the tree, replacing the current README.html. > Gallery/Commercial Editor: "Charles A. Wimmer" > Deputy GCE: Ricardo AG I've got a huge backlog of gallery entries and one commercial entry update. Shall I forward them? How soon can arrange to have requests go directly to you? (Adding them requires (1) making sure they don't already exist in the list, possibly under a different name, (2) verifying that they indeed either use or support FreeBSD.) If the gallery continues growing at the rate it is now, we may have to re-evaluate its existance and membership criteria. > CGI Engineer: Martin Cracauer > Deputy CGIE: TBD Somewhat mirror related, figure out how many of the existing mirrors can run the cgi scripts in the current web pages (http://www.xx.freebsd.org/cgi/ftp.cgi?foo is a simple check, it either returns a page of FTP links, or an error). There are some scripts that could/should be run on the mirrors rather than exclusively on the home server. We need to get mirror cooperation on this. -john From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 15:24:12 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA17090 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA17085 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07640 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:24:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:24:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: List administrivia for new members Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Despite the mailto.html page that explains what addresses to use for what, this list (www@freebsd.org) frequently receives messages that really should have gone to questions@freebsd.org. If you see these, respond if you know the answer, but otherwise assume I have, or will bounce them them to questions@freebsd.org (or something else if appropriate).. -john From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 15:42:34 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA18425 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from u2.bbrown.com (U2.BBROWN.COM [192.30.147.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA18418; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: PEKARSKE_BOB/TUC_01@burr-brown.com Received: from by u2.bbrown.com with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA23798; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:36:43 -0700 X-Openmail-Hops: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 16:39:00 -0700 Message-Id: <"d03Iw/u000000000*"@MHS> Subject: Not clear where to turn To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please forgive me for "spamming" the three addresses that looked like they might have real people attached to them. It was not clear to me from your web pages how to reach a human regarding problems with the mailing lists (majordomo). I have been trying to "unsubscribe" from "freebsd-hardware" for weeks now to no avail. My best guess is that my return address has changed since I subscribed and that you are auditing unsubscibe requests against the subscriber address. My company owns two domain names: "bbrown.com" and "burr-brown.com" We started with bbrown.com, and used to stamp our mail with that return address. Recently, the powers-that-be have decreed that burr-brown.com is our "official" domain name, and we have begun stamping that return address. My e-mail address is "pekarske_bob" at either "bbrown.com" or "burr-brown.com". Please forward this to someone who can unsubscribe me from "freebsd-hardware". If I have missed some blindingly simple course to accomplishing this action, please let me know. I have found your mailing lists to be most helpful, and I don't want to become afraid of them. If I have done something wrong, please let me know so I shall not repeat. Thank you for your patience. From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 16:12:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA23691 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (root@po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA23581; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 16:11:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ginger.eng.umd.edu (ginger.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.20]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23627; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by ginger.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07009; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:11:48 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: ginger.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@ginger.eng.umd.edu To: PEKARSKE_BOB/TUC_01@burr-brown.com cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not clear where to turn In-Reply-To: <"d03Iw/u000000000*"@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 PEKARSKE_BOB/TUC_01@burr-brown.com wrote: > Please forgive me for "spamming" the three addresses that looked like > they might have real people attached to them. It was not clear to me > from your web pages how to reach a human regarding problems with the > mailing lists (majordomo). > > I have been trying to "unsubscribe" from "freebsd-hardware" for weeks > now to no avail. My best guess is that my return address has changed > since I subscribed and that you are auditing unsubscibe requests > against the subscriber address. > > My company owns two domain names: "bbrown.com" and "burr-brown.com" > > We started with bbrown.com, and used to stamp our mail with that return > address. Recently, the powers-that-be have decreed that burr-brown.com > is our "official" domain name, and we have begun stamping that return address. > > My e-mail address is "pekarske_bob" at either "bbrown.com" or > "burr-brown.com". Please forward this to someone who can unsubscribe me > from "freebsd-hardware". > > If I have missed some blindingly simple course to accomplishing this > action, please let me know. I have found your mailing lists to be most > helpful, and I don't want to become afraid of them. If I have done > something wrong, please let me know so I shall not repeat. > > Thank you for your patience. Please, one list at a time, next time, there's plenty of folks who will react to a sanely worded request like yours. I mailed off to majordomo@freebsd.org, and sent the command who freebsd-hardware When I got the return, I dumped it into a file and began looking for the string "Burr-Brown" Didn't find it, so I tried "BB". Bingo! pekarske_bob@bbrown.com Try sending unsubscribe pekarske_bob@bbrown.com I'm not sure, you might have to send it from that login. This happens fairly often, maybe we should have an explanation about what I did. It hasn't failed me yet. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www Thu Dec 12 17:40:11 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA00866 for www-outgoing; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer.together.net (mailer.together.net [204.97.120.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA00861 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 17:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequoia.together.net (sequoia.together.net [204.97.120.25]) by mailer.together.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA06239 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:40:12 -0500 Received: from [207.41.55.130] (PORT-02-MAX-RTV-01.ramp.together.net [207.41.55.130]) by sequoia.together.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA23145 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:40:00 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: nsl.together.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:41:17 -0400 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG From: chalidze@chalidze.com (Valery Chalidze) Subject: WINDOW TO AMERICA Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Increase your visibility! Have a small WEB site on an American server. Special price for our East European and Central Asian customers: Business card on Internet -- 3,000 char. -- $50 per year FREE standard design. PRE-PAYMENT by check or Money-order. No credit cards. View samples at http://www.chalidze.com Chalidze Publications, RR2 Box 6880, Fair Haven VT 05743 From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 01:41:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA05600 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA05594 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:41:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA06027 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:41:15 -0800 (PST) To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Follow-up to FreeBSD documentation team status report. Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 01:41:15 -0800 Message-ID: <6023.850470075@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, I'm back.. John's intervening reply makes some of what I was going to cover redundant, so I'll skip it, but we've still got a bunch of brute-force logistical issues to deal with here, so why don't we get started on that? First off, the doc team's mailing addresses. These are what I have for you, and anyone desiring a change here should let me know ASAP before the information becomes enshrined in the handbook and mailing lists. We can always change it, of course, but why make the job harder at the start? Also, if you're wanting to manage this through freefall and were hoping for a FreeBSD.ORG mailing address instead, please indicate as such and I'll change your entry pending account creation (also, those members who already *do* have accounts on freefall were omitted from this list as it's already assumed they'll be contact-able there): Ade Barkah Charles A. Wimmer Chris Watson Dave Cornejo John Cavanaugh Mark Mayo Martin Cracauer Nate Johnson Ricardo AG Ulf Zimmermann Again, these addresses will be listed in the handbook once I finish the documentation project's contributor section, so contact me soon if you want yours changed (the whole "who does what" section needs a bit of a rewrite, with more explanation of what some of the other positions actually *mean* probably being warranted, and so my changes to contrib.sgml have become bigger than I thought). Second, accounts on freefall. If your position requires an account on freefall for maintaining the web page data on www.freebsd.org, or if you're comfortable enough with CVS usage that you think you'd like to angle for commit privs at some point (for which we request that you *practice* a bit with cvs on your own machine before you start :), please contact root@freebsd.org about account creation. If you have an existing FreeBSD master.passwd entry you can send us, this is even better since we can reuse the encrypted password info (either DES or MD5 is fine) and never send a cleartext password through email. If you don't, then just send us your other particulars (desired username, full name, shell) and we'll send back your *temporary* password along with the account confirmation. You'll be expected to log in and change it ASAP. Freefall rules of the road: o Your account is for you and you alone. If you encounter someone else who wants to become a contributor and would also eventually like to work on freefall, have him (or her) contact us, don't "double up" under any circumstances. o Use ssh to log in if at all possible, especially if you're coming in to initially change your password. ssh is very easy to set up and a wonderfully charming tool in general - check it out in /usr/ports/security/ssh o If you receive email on freefall (AKA freebsd.org), if at all possible you should periodically POP it off or have it forwarded elsewhere for reading. freefall is not for email and news reading unless you've literally got no other choice, due to obvious load considerations. -- Finally, just running down the list of volunteers, there are some initial tasks I'd like to cover for each group which should hopefully give us some direction to go in over the next few days. Webmasters Ade & Paul: I think your biggest task for this upcoming week is going to simply be review. John has posted details on the build process, one perhaps a little complicated in parts by the early state of the tools, and you 2 guys (at least) are going to need to know everything about how it all fits together. Perhaps bringing up a mirror site from sources (as opposed to another W3 site), if you haven't already done so, would be a good exercise? Ade also needs an account on freefall, and should email me as described above. Build Engineers Paul & Dave: Basically the same as for the webmasters - figure this arcane system out and assure yourselves that you can bring up a complete FreeBSD web site using nothing more than a src tree and a handful of fiebertools (all of which should eventually become part of that src tree, naturally :). Dave, you probably need a freefall account. See above. Mirror Managers Ulf & John C. Your very first order of business is probably: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/www Which looks like it's not getting built and updated anymore though people are still FTP mirroring it, which is bad. I'm not even sure where it comes from. :-) Starting to visit all the listed mirror sites periodically, like a traveling ambassador, would probably also be a good idea. :) It would also be nice to make sure that everyone's www@www[n][.dom].freebsd.org email addresses are working, in case we need to report problems. Some testing there will probably return less-than-confidence-inspiring results. :-) News Editors John C & Nate J: Just reading through http://www.freebsd.org once will probably generate enough work to keep you busy for a week. Neither of you are probably quite ready for CVS yet, however, so you'll need just 2 things for now: 1. A copy of the current web pages. You can either use cvsup or the FTP mirror, once the mirror team gets that working again. 2. Someone on the committers list who will take the diffs you generate and bring them into the current handbook for now. For now, I think that can be either John Fieber, Paul Richards or myself. Gallery/Commercial Editors Charles & Ricardo: You two have a job similar to the news editors: You need to get ahold of a current copy of gallery.sgml on a regular basis (commercial.sgml doesn't change that much) and merge your changes in. Initially, you'll have John Fieber's backlog of submissions to deal with, and later you'll simply receive emails whenever someone submits an entry. In the short term, as John says, the existing backlog must be checked for duplicates and eventually turned into properly formatted entries for gallery.sgml, which can then be sent to John, Paul or myself. People are already complaining that they haven't seen their entries yet, so you guys don't arrive a moment too soon. :) Style Police/Art Directors Dave & Chris: Just wander around the site for awhile, I guess, and start trying to see just how much it sucks. Then write that down. You'll also need access to freefall and a committer for fronting your changes until you're ready to go direct (Dave may be ready already, actually). See my comments to the News Editors in any case. Handbook/FAQ/Tutorial Editor Peter da Silva: Heh heh. Your job is cut out for you, and much of it involves the liberal use of a machete on the existing FAQ. In fact, the FAQ should probably just become a Handbook section. Either way, much of the current information is stale and greatly in need of trimming. We should also talk about commit privileges fairly quickly since anyone trying to front this many diffs for you will go insane. Database Engineers Mark & Martin: I really hope that you guys will quickly find an alternative to (or a big bandaid for) the WAIS searching stuff. There's got to be better technology for this out there, I just know it. :-) You probably both needs freefall accounts and write access to the web pages. CGI Engineer Martin: Searching stuff, hyperlinked man pages, ports collection browser, src tree browser, need I say more? :-) And finally, to the General Support Guy Nate J: Just keep your ears open - I'm sure there will be a lot of stuff falling through the cracks on an almost constant basis. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 05:39:15 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id FAA17528 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id FAA17519 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 05:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Fri, 13 Dec 96 14:38 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for www@FreeBSD.ORG id ; Fri, 13 Dec 96 14:38 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28992; Fri, 13 Dec 96 12:46:41 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9612131146.AA28992@wavehh.hanse.de> Subject: Definition of purpose of -doc and -www mailing lists To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:46:40 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could someone post (or start to formulate :-) a definition of what these two lists are good for? I understand -www is non-public, while -doc is. So is -doc the default for all issue that are not confidential? Or is -www for everything except things I want the biggest audience for? For example, when I ask for comments on a mailing list search engine I plan to write or import. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org Fax +49 40 522 85 36 From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 07:15:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA23677 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ami.tom.computerworks.net (root@AMI.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.95.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id HAA23669 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 07:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from bonkers.taronga.com by ami.tom.computerworks.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0vYYYD-0021aRC; Fri, 13 Dec 96 09:25 EST Received: (from peter@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA00152 for www@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:22:41 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:22:41 -0600 From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) Message-Id: <199612131422.IAA00152@bonkers.taronga.com> To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Speaking of mailing lists... Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Shouldn't the open freebsd lists be listed in the list of publicly accessible mailing lists at www.neosoft.com/internet/paml? (yes, I do the web stuff for them, but still it'd help people find 'em) From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 08:15:14 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA26738 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA26721 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10101; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:15:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:15:05 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Follow-up to FreeBSD documentation team status report. In-Reply-To: <6023.850470075@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Build Engineers Paul & Dave: > > Basically the same as for the webmasters - figure this arcane system > out and assure yourselves that you can bring up a complete FreeBSD web > site using nothing more than a src tree and a handful of fiebertools > (all of which should eventually become part of that src tree, > naturally :). Dave, you probably need a freefall account. See above. Another first assignment here is planning/implementing the move from freefall to spatter. Basically everything in /usr/local/www on freefall but there are a number of other issues. * Server config file arrangements. The lastest apache port puts config files in /usr/local/etc, log files in /var/log and such. We may not want log files there as they get very big very fast. Also need to arrange for rotating the logs. (this has to be done by root) * Syncing with CVS. Since the repository is on a different machine, this mechanism will change. * CGI scripts. Some of these may have to continue living on freefall. In particular cvsweb.cgi and possibly the mailing list archives. URLs pointing to these need to be changed from www.freebsd.org to freefall.freebsd.org because eventually www != freefall. * Automate update and build. This is currently done by /usr/local/www/bin/webupdate. Make any appropriate tweaks and then hand it off to cron. I'll have time after Thursday to help out with all of this. > News Editors John C & Nate J: If you plan on creating bunches of new material, it should probably go in a news subdirectory. -john From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 08:21:36 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA27025 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA27017 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10118; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:21:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: Martin Cracauer cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Definition of purpose of -doc and -www mailing lists In-Reply-To: <9612131146.AA28992@wavehh.hanse.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Martin Cracauer wrote: > Could someone post (or start to formulate :-) a definition of what > these two lists are good for? Well, it is true that the distinction between the two is not very clear and if people think one would be better, we could try it out. On the other side, with respect to managing mirror sites, www and hubs may have a fair amount of overlap. The original purpose of www was the address to put at the bottom of the web pages for comments and feedback. Do we want this stuff going directly to doc@freebsd.org? Then, there is a fair amount of web technical administrivia that is really only tangentially related to general doc stuff and really of no interest to casual observers not directly involved in www administration. Thoughts? -john From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 08:27:09 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA27309 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA27296 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10145 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:27:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:27:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: www@freebsd.org Subject: mirrors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I don't know how many of you are subscribed to the appropriate CVS list to see all the changes to the www tree, but I've added a new file http://www.freebsd.org/mirror.html from Warren about how to mirror using rsync. -john From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 08:36:05 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA27743 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA27737 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 08:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Fri, 13 Dec 96 17:35 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for www@FreeBSD.ORG id ; Fri, 13 Dec 96 17:35 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01711; Fri, 13 Dec 96 17:31:10 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9612131631.AA01711@wavehh.hanse.de> Subject: Re: Definition of purpose of -doc and -www mailing lists To: jfieber@indiana.edu Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:31:09 +0100 (MET) Cc: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, www@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Dec 13, 96 11:21:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > Could someone post (or start to formulate :-) a definition of what > > these two lists are good for? > > Well, it is true that the distinction between the two is not very > clear and if people think one would be better, we could try it > out. On the other side, with respect to managing mirror sites, > www and hubs may have a fair amount of overlap. > > The original purpose of www was the address to put at the bottom > of the web pages for comments and feedback. Do we want this > stuff going directly to doc@freebsd.org? Then, there is a fair For sure not. > amount of web technical administrivia that is really only > tangentially related to general doc stuff and really of no > interest to casual observers not directly involved in www > administration. > > Thoughts? My formulation: www@freebsd.org is a list to coordinate work doc@freebsd.org is a list to discuss designs and new ideas That was we can get input from people not on -www, but we don't bother them with "Would you please fix the link to...". Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org Fax +49 40 522 85 36 From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 11:55:40 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA09179 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA09170 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA23346 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:55:39 -0800 (PST) To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Jay Kuri: Volunteering to help with the Documentation project. Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:55:38 -0800 Message-ID: <23343.850506938@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any of the new doc project people want to jump forward and recruit this deputy? ;-) ------- Forwarded Message From: Jay Kuri Reply-To: Jay Kuri To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Volunteering to help with the Documentation project. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Good Morning, I've been a user of FreeBSD since 2.0.5 was released. Since then I have become pretty familiar with the system. I've set up numerous machines on 2.1, 2.1.5, and now 2.1.6 both at work and at home. I've also set up many packages, ports, and system programs (such as user-level ppp, etc.) I would like to volunteer for the documentation project. I've done technical writing before, and would really like to help make documentation specific to freebsd more readily available. I want to give something back to the FreeBSD community, as it has been so good to me. I started setting up a FreeBSD-related web page awhile back, but had to put it on hold due to some work-time restraints. I've recently gained some free time again, and would like to work with the documentation project, rather than scatter more info on a new site. As far as specific knowledge goes, I am familiar with the following: Installation I've done many installs, and many in-place upgrades of systems. System configuration Compiling the kernel to support installed hardware. Installation and configuration of system daemons; wu-ftpd, xinetd, apache, ssh, etc. General system configuration, including package and port installation, as well as non-port-software installation. Network configuration Configuration of ethernet-internet systems. Configuration of User-level PPP for both static and dynamic IP, as well as manual and dial on demand. Configuration of gateway systems to route information from ppp link to machines on local ethernet segment. As well as many other aspects of installing, upgrading and maintaining FreeBSD systems. I work at an ISP as a systems programmer and administrator. I am familiar with the day-to-day operation of FreeBSD, as well as running internet services such as sendmail, apache, anonymous ftp, etc. on FreeBSD. The web page I was working on (still unfinished) can be reached at: http://pinky.interaccess.com/jay/freebsd/index.html An example of technical documentation I've written is available at: http://pinky.interaccess.com/jay/freebsd/ppp.html It is a 'how-to' about describing set-up of user-level PPP in dial-on-demand mode with a dynamic IP. Thank you for your attention. I look forward to hearing from you. Jay Kuri - --- Everyone can be taught to sculpt: Michelangelo would have had to be taught how not to. So it is with the great programmers. ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 17:24:52 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA29419 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nanguo.chalmers.com.au (nanguo.chalmers.com.au [203.1.96.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA29414 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 17:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from robert@localhost) by nanguo.chalmers.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA02927 for www@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:25:49 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Chalmers Message-Id: <199612140125.LAA02927@nanguo.chalmers.com.au> Subject: your gnats pr-submission form To: www@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:25:49 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is that gnats submission form working ? It wont do anything from this end. just hangs there. I'm trying to report a Malloc warning in both httpds servers, and tin, being generated by something being wrong with Malloc. cheers, Bc -- Reality. re al 'i ty. Something for those with no imagination. robert@chalmers.com.au for Whirled Peas http://www.chalmers.com.au Location: Whitsunday Web Works. 21'7" S, 149'14" E. Advertise, or there's a good chance the sheriff will do it for you. P.T Barnum. From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 20:12:53 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA04841 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA04836 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) id VAA23370; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:12:45 -0700 (MST) From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199612140412.VAA23370@hemi.com> Subject: Re: Follow-up to FreeBSD documentation team status report. To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:12:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Dec 13, 96 11:15:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > * Server config file arrangements. The lastest apache port puts > config files in /usr/local/etc, log files in /var/log and such. > We may not want log files there as they get very big very fast. > Also need to arrange for rotating the logs. (this has to be > done by root) Easy to change fortunately. How far back are logs usually kept ? I noticed on freefall we have access and error logs since October. I see rotate_logs moving and gzipping the logs but I don't see it ever erasing anything. =-) Total size, 33mb, so that's not too bad. > * Syncing with CVS. Since the repository is on a different > machine, this mechanism will change. Maybe just move the www CVS tree to spatter ? Solves a lot of problems. > * CGI scripts. Some of these may have to continue living on > freefall. ... How often are the mailing list archives updated ? db/text shows the last update was three days ago. Which program(s) append new mail to the archives ? Also, I noticed from dmesg that waisq was dying with signal 11s. Is this fixed? Btw, I suppose you guys noticed: | sd0(ahc0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:13b2d0 asc:14,0 Recorded entity | not found, retries:4 on freefall. Last time I got that my hard drive didn't live very long afterwards (cooling problems, seagate barracuda.) Will... you still run a www server on freefall then, to support the cgi ? Or move the cgis over to spatter as well and simply have them access nfs-mounted data (cvs/mail archives) from freefall ? Lastly, all these cgi scripts probably should be rewritten in Perl 5 using -w, strict, and taint checking. I'm sure there's a security hole in one of these Perl 4 scripts somewhere. =-) > * Automate update and build. This is currently done by > /usr/local/www/bin/webupdate. Make any appropriate tweaks > and then hand it off to cron. It doesn't look like there needs to be any changes if the CVS tree is moved into spatter's ~ncvs(?). I can't seem to find any references to webupdate from /etc/crontab or /etc/daily. Is this called from someone's crontab right now ? Thanks, -Ade ps. thanks for that rsync page, I was able to build a mirror (freebsd.hemi.com) pretty easily. I read the old version and almost got cvsup instead. =-) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www Fri Dec 13 23:01:47 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA14694 for www-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA14684 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA23934; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:01:39 -0800 (PST) To: Ade Barkah cc: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber), www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Follow-up to FreeBSD documentation team status report. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Dec 1996 21:12:45 MST." <199612140412.VAA23370@hemi.com> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 23:01:39 -0800 Message-ID: <23929.850546899@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > | sd0(ahc0:0:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:13b2d0 asc:14,0 Recorded entity > | not found, retries:4 > > on freefall. Last time I got that my hard drive didn't live very > long afterwards (cooling problems, seagate barracuda.) Not recently? I've looked through the logs and can't see where you found this. It had an error last week due to some bad blocks which needed remapping, but nothing recently to my knowledge. > Will... you still run a www server on freefall then, to support > the cgi ? Or move the cgis over to spatter as well and simply > have them access nfs-mounted data (cvs/mail archives) from > freefall ? I think this is still open to discussion. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 04:02:25 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA23930 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id EAA23919; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Sat, 14 Dec 96 13:02 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for www@freebsd.org id ; Sat, 14 Dec 96 13:02 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03138; Sat, 14 Dec 96 13:01:47 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9612141201.AA03138@wavehh.hanse.de> Subject: Re: your gnats pr-submission form To: robert@nanguo.chalmers.com.au (Robert Chalmers) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:01:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: www@freebsd.org, bugs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199612140125.LAA02927@nanguo.chalmers.com.au> from "Robert Chalmers" at Dec 14, 96 11:25:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is that gnats submission form working ? It wont do anything from > this end. just hangs there. I will look into this, at least until Monday evening. I have to be careful not to feed junk "test" PR into GNATS, therefore the delay. Maybe the GNATS database should have a new category or class "test" to test front-ends? > I'm trying to report a Malloc warning in both httpds servers, and tin, > being generated by something being wrong with Malloc. I assume you can't use on-line send-pr. If so, please send the information requested on the form to me. I will submit a proper PR. Thanks for the feedback Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org Fax +49 40 522 85 36 From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 04:17:48 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA24547 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id EAA24526 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Sat, 14 Dec 96 13:17 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for www@freebsd.org id ; Sat, 14 Dec 96 13:17 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03257; Sat, 14 Dec 96 13:06:09 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9612141206.AA03257@wavehh.hanse.de> Subject: Re: Follow-up to FreeBSD documentat To: www@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:06:08 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Will... you still run a www server on freefall then, to support > > the cgi ? Or move the cgis over to spatter as well and simply > > have them access nfs-mounted data (cvs/mail archives) from > > freefall ? > > I think this is still open to discussion. :-) I have no preferences where the CGIs live, but using the databases over NFS doesn't sound like a good idea. IMO, CVS and GNATs have a natural home on Freefall and the CGIs don't cause too much load. Mailing lists can live everywhere, the WWW search engine should live on the same machine as the WWW pages, to be able to emit relative links (otherwise mirros will have to adjust). What's the purpose of spatter, BTW? I probably missed something. I assume it's just to take some load from freefall? If so, want's the most important thing to avoid on Freefall (Disk I/O, Network, CPU, possible security problems with CGIs)? Disclaimer: I didn't came around to study the whole setup, maybe I'm talking nosense. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://cracauer.cons.org Fax +49 40 522 85 36 From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 04:53:07 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA25908 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id EAA25903; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 04:53:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA04461; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:52:59 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id NAA03496; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:51:43 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id NAA25798; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:28:34 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199612141228.NAA25798@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: your gnats pr-submission form To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:28:34 +0100 (MET) Cc: robert@nanguo.chalmers.com.au, www@freebsd.org, bugs@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9612141201.AA03138@wavehh.hanse.de> from Martin Cracauer at "Dec 14, 96 01:01:46 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Martin Cracauer wrote: > > Is that gnats submission form working ? It wont do anything from > > this end. just hangs there. > > I will look into this, at least until Monday evening. It has proven to work before and after Robert's attempt, FWIW. Somebody else filed PR # 2208 some hours later using the Web interface, and Jordan later tried it with test-PR # 2210. > > I'm trying to report a Malloc warning in both httpds servers, and tin, > > being generated by something being wrong with Malloc. > > I assume you can't use on-line send-pr. If so, please send the > information requested on the form to me. I will submit a proper PR. No need for this. Robert has been sending his comments as a regular mail to freebsd-bugs, and both occasions point to potential errors in third-party software (Apache and TIN), so it's best to contact the respective development teams. Filing a PR for third-party software is most likely not very helpful unless the PR is accompanied by a fix that could be dropped into the `port' as a stop-gap measure until the development teams have finally incorporated the fix into their official distributions. (It's hard to expect the `ports' team fixing some 700 third-party products.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 07:52:49 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA09603 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 07:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA09594 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 07:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14848; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:52:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:52:39 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Ade Barkah cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Follow-up to FreeBSD documentation team status report. In-Reply-To: <199612140412.VAA23370@hemi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Ade Barkah wrote: > Easy to change fortunately. How far back are logs usually kept ? I'd like to keep a month or two on hand but, as you notice, the rotating is, um, less than sophisticated. :) Too bad apache doesn't use syslog, then rotation would be a snap. We would just have to sed off the beginnings of lines before feeding the logs to stats software. Hm... anyone want to look into this possibility? > Maybe just move the www CVS tree to spatter ? Solves a lot of > problems. Anybody have an opinion on this? Honestly, the thought didn't even occur to me. I'm a cvs *user*, not an administrator so I really can't comment on the implications of this. > How often are the mailing list archives updated ? db/text shows > the last update was three days ago. Which program(s) append > new mail to the archives ? The mailing lists are updated in a very ad-hoc fashion. Basically when I feel moved to do it. Part of the problem is negotiating a workable method with the postmaster. When I started all this (the mailing lists, which gave birth to the web site...) the mailing list archives were rotated on a weekly basis. Now they are not rotated at all so every update indexes from scratch. /usr/local/www/bin/mailindex does the updating. Yes, waisq crashes on a regular basis, but to date, I have not been able to personally reproduce this on demand! Unfortunately the crash times are not logged so I can't easily correlate the crashes with the web log files to see what queries were involved. ...Of course search.cgi is probably in position to detect the crash and log the search... Of course, now that some people have offered their services to work with cgi scripts and mailing list archive.... Those looking into search.cgi, just be warned that it was the first perl program I ever wrote and it is pretty hideous. Independent of adding new functionality, it simply needs to be rewritten for aesthetic reasons. [And for those who really do look into search.cgi, the reason for not specifying the database on the waisq command line is that you can only specify one. However, if you actually sit down and play with querying various mailing lists separately, and then together, you will realize that freewais totally sucks at searching multiple databases anyway and the feature should simply be removed. There are also a number of very basic reasons why searching multiple databases and ranking the results is doomed to failure anyway. I can provide citations to articles discussing the issue if anyone is interested.] > Will... you still run a www server on freefall then, to support > the cgi ? Unless all CGIs can be moved, yes. Even then, it might be a good idea to leave a server running that simply redirects to spatter. I expect there are a fair number of bookmarks and web databases in the world that explicitly reference freefall. :( > Or move the cgis over to spatter as well and simply > have them access nfs-mounted data (cvs/mail archives) from > freefall ? That would work so long as the indexes are on spatter. Indexing is very disk intensive and probably not a good use of network bandwidth. :) Spatter currently has 1.7GB free on /usr so unless someone else has plans for that space, I don't see any problem. The other CGI to worry about is the query-pr.cgi. I've never looked at it so I don't know what the options for moving it are. > is moved into spatter's ~ncvs(?). I can't seem to find any references > to webupdate from /etc/crontab or /etc/daily. Is this called from > someone's crontab right now ? Mine. :) Whoever runs it, the output should probably go to the www list so people can see when they messed up. (The update just bails out if errors are found.) -john From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 08:25:17 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA13067 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 08:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.wj.com (gatekeeper.wj.com [204.30.16.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA13058 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 08:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gatekeeper.wj.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA15895 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 08:25:14 -0800 Received: from internal.wj.com(144.172.15.212) by gatekeeper via smap (V1.3) id sma015893; Sat Dec 14 08:24:59 1996 Received: from wj-seg.wj.com by internal.wj.com with SMTP id AA27909 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 14 Dec 1996 08:24:59 -0800 Received: by wj-seg.wj.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19204; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 08:24:21 +0800 From: alan@wj.com (Alan Strassberg) Message-Id: <9612141624.AA19204@wj-seg.wj.com> Subject: glitches ? To: www@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 08:24:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Couple glitches @ www.freebsd.org I cannot ftp in ... Name (gatekeeper:alan): ftp@ftp.freebsd.org 551 Userid nonexistent ftp: Login failed. This is through a proxy but it's worked in the past just fine. I think something broke. Also, the www@freebsd.org doesn't work - you forgot the actual "mailto" on the mailto.htm page. Kudos for a wonderful website & service! alan -- alan@wj.com From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 09:38:35 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA18530 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA18519 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18032; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:38:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:38:29 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Alan Strassberg cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: glitches ? In-Reply-To: <9612141624.AA19204@wj-seg.wj.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Alan Strassberg wrote: > I cannot ftp in ... > > Name (gatekeeper:alan): ftp@ftp.freebsd.org > 551 Userid nonexistent > ftp: Login failed. Log in as anonymous. > Also, the www@freebsd.org doesn't work - you forgot the actual > "mailto" on the mailto.htm page. I just checked an the mailto url is indeed there. What browser are you using? -john From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 10:50:38 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA28126 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.fasts.com (root@server.fasts.com [199.125.215.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA28115 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 10:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.fasts.com ([199.125.215.66]) by fasts.com with SMTP id <23-180>; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:50:30 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 20:50:27 +0000 () From: Victor Rotanov To: www@freebsd.org Subject: I want to mirror this www site... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I want to make Latvian mirror of this www site. What is needed? Thanks, bye. vitjok From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 11:01:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA29084 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA29076 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18195; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:01:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:01:39 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Victor Rotanov cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I want to mirror this www site... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, Victor Rotanov wrote: > I want to make Latvian mirror of this www site. > What is needed? http://www.freebsd.org/mirror.html -john From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 11:53:29 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA04150 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA04145 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18447 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:53:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:53:23 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: www@freebsd.org Subject: moving cvs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just thought of one problem with moving the www cvs archive to spatter. Substantial chunks (the handbook and FAQ) come from the FreeBSD source tree, not the www tree. We would still have to get them from freefall which would negate the simplification that might have occured by moving the www tree to spatter. -john From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 12:08:41 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA05685 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA05678 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA10048; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:08:34 -0800 (PST) To: John Fieber cc: www@freebsd.org, root@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: moving cvs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:53:23 EST." Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:08:34 -0800 Message-ID: <10044.850594114@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At this point, I'd be happy if just the services currently scheduled to move off freefall make it off safely. That means pointing cvsup.freebsd.org over to spatter and verifying that all the CTM customers are moved. After that? Let's look at freefall again then and see how much of a load hosting the web pages is. Jordan > I just thought of one problem with moving the www cvs archive to > spatter. Substantial chunks (the handbook and FAQ) come from the > FreeBSD source tree, not the www tree. We would still have to > get them from freefall which would negate the simplification that > might have occured by moving the www tree to spatter. > > -john > From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 13:08:27 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA13085 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA13075 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 13:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0vZ1JI-0003vzC; Sat, 14 Dec 96 13:07 PST Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.phk.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA08136; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:11:06 +0100 (MET) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: John Fieber , www@freebsd.org, root@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: moving cvs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:08:34 PST." <10044.850594114@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:11:05 +0100 Message-ID: <8134.850597865@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <10044.850594114@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >At this point, I'd be happy if just the services currently scheduled >to move off freefall make it off safely. That means pointing >cvsup.freebsd.org over to spatter and verifying that all the CTM >customers are moved. After that? Let's look at freefall again then >and see how much of a load hosting the web pages is. all ctm but the gnats stream has been moved off. (gnats is insignificant both capacity & load wise.) If somebody cvsups over the gnats stuff I'll move the CTM as well. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Power and ignorance is a disgusting cocktail. From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 16:34:20 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA04201 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA04195 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 16:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) id RAA27663; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:34:11 -0700 (MST) From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199612150034.RAA27663@hemi.com> Subject: Re: Follow-up to FreeBSD documentation team status report. To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 17:34:10 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Dec 14, 96 10:52:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John wrote: > Too bad apache doesn't use syslog, then rotation would be a snap. > We would just have to sed off the beginnings of lines before > feeding the logs to stats software. Hm... anyone want to look > into this possibility? Easy enough to modify. We'll just replace the fprint()s with syslog() calls. But is it truly necessary ? I don't see how it would be sub- stantially different than how the logging is done right now. Call me slow. =-) Also, which stats software are you referring to ? > Yes, waisq crashes on a regular basis, but to date, I have not > been able to personally reproduce this on demand! Unfortunately > the crash times are not logged so I can't easily correlate the > crashes with the web log files to see what queries were involved. Fortunately death due to signals are logged for us automagically... for instance: | Dec 5 01:13:45 freefall /kernel: pid 25242 (waisq), uid 32767: exited... | Dec 5 23:31:15 freefall /kernel: pid 26444 (waisq), uid 32767: exited... | Dec 5 23:31:15 freefall /kernel: pid 1008 (waisq), uid 32767: exited... Strangely enough I can't find any waisq entries since December 5, or any messages whatsoever since the 9th -- not even those annoying ones from popper. Anyone know why there aren't any entries since the last reboot ? It's now: Sat Dec 14 16:29:02 PST 1996 Yet we have: -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 0 Dec 14 03:30 messages I can't believe there's really zero messages in over 12 hours. =-) Regards, -Ade ------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www Sat Dec 14 22:16:51 1996 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA25064 for www-outgoing; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.world-net.net (mikem@ns1.world-net.net [204.57.72.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA25054 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 1996 22:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mikem@localhost) by ns1.world-net.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA19236 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 1996 00:16:45 -0600 Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 00:16:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Mr. Michael A. Masoni" To: www@freebsd.org Subject: apache.gif Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The gif isn't working.... I know 1 million people have probably emailed you but i figured i would just in case.... Mike Masoni 226.6666 mikem@world-net.net