From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 00:04:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA28180 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:04:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28175 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id WAA12007; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:06:34 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703020806.WAA12007@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: Crazy RSA-cracking idea... In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 2, 97 02:39:09 am" To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:06:33 -1000 (HST) Cc: mark@grondar.za, chat@freebsd.org From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao >On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Mark Murray wrote: >> >> Why does it have to be an LKM? Just load it with the daemons... > > Actually, it should be just part of the kernel, so you can't just >kill it off if you don't want to participate. ;-) Um maybe part of the NPX code itself. -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com (who is happy his 486 motherboard is outdoing most of the SGI's on the list.) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 00:31:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA29171 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@[205.233.216.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29166 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 00:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id DAA01106; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 03:31:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 03:31:34 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Mark Murray cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crazy RSA-cracking idea... In-Reply-To: <199703020752.JAA25800@grackle.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Mark Murray wrote: > > The downside of this, though would be all the folks screaming about > how slow FreeBSD was when it was "doing nothing". :-) Ummmm... we hack the way load averages are calculated so it ignores this particular piece of code. :) While we're at it, we'll have the kernel save your uptime to a file on a proper shutdown, to be restored at the next boot. That way you can have a "true" uptime of how long your machine lasts between crashes. ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 01:12:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA00325 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 01:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from grackle.grondar.za (gAf11Wfo7BdDkTW+7z5TPpt18C3SobUN@grackle.grondar.za [196.7.18.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00320 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 01:12:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from grackle.grondar.za (w6NrFH4RvzVsfKwO09JyLhbXyjJ9Dweu@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grackle.grondar.za (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA26013; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:12:08 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199703020912.LAA26013@grackle.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Brian Tao cc: Mark Murray , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crazy RSA-cracking idea... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 11:11:57 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote: > Ummmm... we hack the way load averages are calculated so it > ignores this particular piece of code. :) While we're at it, we'll > have the kernel save your uptime to a file on a proper shutdown, to be > restored at the next boot. That way you can have a "true" uptime of > how long your machine lasts between crashes. ;-) Erm, Brian, How many of your stats can we be expected to trust after this? ;-) M -- Mark Murray PGP key fingerprint = 80 36 6E 40 83 D6 8A 36 This .sig is umop ap!sdn. BC 06 EA 0E 7A F2 CE CE From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 01:19:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA00693 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 01:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@[205.233.216.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00688 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 01:19:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id EAA01197; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 04:19:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 04:19:15 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Mark Murray cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crazy RSA-cracking idea... In-Reply-To: <199703020912.LAA26013@grackle.grondar.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Mark Murray wrote: > > Erm, Brian, How many of your stats can we be expected to trust after > this? ;-) I'm not a kernel hacker though. ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 02:18:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA03218 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA03213 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA01124; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:18:12 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 00:44:03 EST." <199703020544.AAA07077@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 02:18:12 -0800 Message-ID: <1120.857297892@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > hackers@freebsd.org shall it be? :) Well, let's see if they restart first.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 02:30:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA03456 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA03405 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA01178; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:28:28 -0800 (PST) To: Brian Tao cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 02:03:42 EST." Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 02:28:28 -0800 Message-ID: <1174.857298508@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It looks that way right now anyway. FreeBSD hosts are > contributing over 8.3 million keys/sec and are 15 of the 20 fastest > machines on the list. :) It would be awesome if you could see the performance of this "virtual machine" displayed in real-time on a web page. :) What's the total keys/sec rating right now? I wonder if even certain government agencies have key breaking machines capable of reaching these kinds of performance figures? :-) Jordan P.S. And if anyone on this list knows for certain, *don't* tell me - facts like these I don't want to know! :) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 02:58:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA04148 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA04142 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA01308; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 02:57:58 -0800 (PST) To: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 10 day countdown in 2.2-GAMMA In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 09:12:20 +0100." <19970302091220.XB51733@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 02:57:57 -0800 Message-ID: <1304.857300277@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Of course you could release it on March 10th. Then it would be a > "happy birthday" release for me ... I'm getting 34 ;) Complain to Joerg - he's asked for a 2 day extention until the 12th. :-) Sorry about that. 34, eh? You old man! ;-) Jordan [I turn 34 a month afterwards :)] From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 05:12:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA09493 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (0@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09487 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:12:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25565; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22385; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:13:22 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:13:22 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Brian Tao cc: Charles Henrich , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > the list run FreeBSD, which is best represented OS. :) I would > prefer it if we stuck with the current team, given its momentum, and > it's just cool being able to see the diversity of hardware. I bet After looking through the list I was tempted to revamp an old XT sitting around to run Minix for a couple hours... :-) That would be _cool_. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 05:19:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA09997 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from key.sms.fi (count@key.sms.fi [194.197.125.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09992 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from count@localhost) by key.sms.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA26238; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:18:58 +0200 (EET) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199703021318.PAA26238@key.sms.fi> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 2, 97 01:04:42 am" To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:18:58 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao taisi sanoa: > we're one of the few teams with an MkLinux PowerMac, and the only team > with an Ascend GRF 400 router doing 82000 keys/sec. ;-) Well, what else you would do with one of those?-) -- Bror 'Count' Heinola # Santa Monica Software # Email: bror@sms.fi Isokaari 27 A2 # Technical Support # IRC: Count FI-00200 HELSINKI # Cisco / Ascend # NIC: BH271 +358-40-523-2171 # +358-9-613-8911 # Are you defective? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 05:27:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA10441 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (0@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10436 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25898; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24295; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:28:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:28:35 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Tim Vanderhoek cc: Brian Tao , Charles Henrich , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > After looking through the list I was tempted to revamp an old XT > sitting around to run Minix for a couple hours... :-) Or maybe that should be years if I wanted to finish even one keyblock... :) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 05:51:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA11631 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA11625 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA20500 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:51:17 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id OAA00480 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:50:54 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id OAA27068; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:22:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19970302142218.XT22706@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:22:18 +0100 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FREEBSD-CHAT-L) Subject: Re: RC5 RSA contest thing References: <199703012247.RAA25698@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60,1-3,9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#2999 In-Reply-To: ; from Brian Tao on Mar 1, 1997 23:10:44 -0500 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Brian Tao: > Are they behind a firewall? There are socksified clients > available. My firewall at work doesn't use socks. As soon as they turn to UDP I won't be able to run the program on my P6/180 :-( If they'd stick with TCP, I could use SSH to tunnel the port... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #39: Sun Feb 2 22:12:44 CET 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 05:51:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA11644 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA11627 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 05:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA20505 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:51:24 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id OAA00479 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:50:53 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id OAA27059; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:18:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19970302141857.LB14970@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:18:57 +0100 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FREEBSD-CHAT-L) Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge References: <19970302001030.SW27471@keltia.freenix.fr> <18761.857268754@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60,1-3,9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#2999 In-Reply-To: <18761.857268754@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mar 1, 1997 18:12:34 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Jordan K. Hubbard: > Pity there's no Linux/ALPHA binary - I had to scrap my plans to > throw the ALPHA into the fray for this reason (and there's no > sources to build my own from) :-( For the current client, they're available. For the next one, that would be nice to get an Linux/Alpha binary, I also have one Alpha lying idle somewhere. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #39: Sun Feb 2 22:12:44 CET 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 06:47:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA14742 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 06:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14737 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 06:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA02747; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 06:47:44 -0800 (PST) To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FREEBSD-CHAT-L) Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:18:57 +0100." <19970302141857.LB14970@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 06:47:43 -0800 Message-ID: <2743.857314063@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > For the current client, they're available. For the next one, that would be Yeah, I actually fetched that and built it with various optimization flags to no avail - couldn't get more than 240K keys/sec or so out of it. Either gcc generates really inefficient code, the lack of hand-optimized ALPHA assembly really penalizes this case or there's some special trick to this that I don't know about. I truly did play with just about every type of optimization flag for gcc and they actually had very little overall effect. Since I couldn't reach the server anyway, and 240K/sec is lousy, I just ditched the idea of signing it up for this contest. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 07:23:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16754 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 07:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-33.netcom.ca [207.181.81.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16741 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 07:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA00392; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:23:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:23:18 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Tim Vanderhoek cc: Charles Henrich , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > After looking through the list I was tempted to revamp an old XT > sitting around to run Minix for a couple hours... :-) Go for it! We want to have both the fastest *and* slowest hardware on the planet working for us. :) There's no real practical reason for this, other than the "cool" factor, as you mentioned. :) We already have a pathetic Sun 3/60 in there, but I want to see a client running on a TCP/IP-capable Newton or Pilot, or in Minix installed in a virtual DOS machine on a slow Sparc, or perhaps an Apple II version (if one becomes available) running in the A2 emulator running in the Executor Macintosh emulator running under Linux emulation on a 386sx/16 running FreeBSD. ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 07:24:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16856 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 07:24:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-33.netcom.ca [207.181.81.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16850 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 07:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA00401; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:24:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:24:29 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703021318.PAA26238@key.sms.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Bror 'Count' Heinola wrote: > > Well, what else you would do with one of those?-) That's true, eh? :) Does Ascend sell any hardware RC5 code-breaking boards yet? You could populate the GRF with them and really kick some butt. ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 07:34:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA17242 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 07:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from key.sms.fi (count@key.sms.fi [194.197.125.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17226 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from count@localhost) by key.sms.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA26665; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:34:02 +0200 (EET) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199703021534.RAA26665@key.sms.fi> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 2, 97 10:24:29 am" To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:34:01 +0200 (EET) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao taisi sanoa: > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Bror 'Count' Heinola wrote: > > Well, what else you would do with one of those?-) > That's true, eh? :) Does Ascend sell any hardware RC5 > code-breaking boards yet? You could populate the GRF with them and > really kick some butt. ;-) Well, considering that each of the gigarouter boards have two 80MHz microSPARCs, it would propably be possible to use them in this kind of situation if the control mechanism isn't too single-minded about what the CPUs can do ;-) But of course I'm not running rc5 on the gigarouter boards, but on the PC which controls the thing. -- Bror 'Count' Heinola # Santa Monica Software # Email: bror@sms.fi Isokaari 27 A2 # Technical Support # IRC: Count FI-00200 HELSINKI # Cisco / Ascend # NIC: BH271 +358-40-523-2171 # +358-9-613-8911 # Are you defective? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 08:18:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19729 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA19724 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from dolphin.inna.net (jamie@dolphin.inna.net [206.151.66.2]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26447; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:22:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Ollivier Robert cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <19970302141857.LB14970@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Someone point me at the binary, and I will let the machine on my desk chew on it. It's an AMD K5 133, 32M EDO box. The AMD has a better FPU than Intel, so it shouldn't be horribly slow. On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Jordan K. Hubbard: > > Pity there's no Linux/ALPHA binary - I had to scrap my plans to > > throw the ALPHA into the fray for this reason (and there's no > > sources to build my own from) :-( > > For the current client, they're available. For the next one, that would be > nice to get an Linux/Alpha binary, I also have one Alpha lying idle > somewhere. > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #39: Sun Feb 2 22:12:44 CET 1997 > Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 08:50:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA20665 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20656 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24091; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:49:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:49:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Snob Art Genre cc: Amancio Hasty , Brian Tao , "John S. Dyson" , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Snob Art Genre wrote: > On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > The details can be found at http://www.vex.net/rsa/ > > for the team we are participating on. > > Well, narcissus and I are on board. I have gotten this message, though: > > get_keyspace: Operation timed out > rc5-56-client: Error getting key. > rc5-56-client: Sleeping 10 minutes... > > Anything to worry about? I guess I should wait and see if it happens > again. I amped the rc5-client off the the background -- that shouldn't > make any difference, should it? Running it in the forground on 5 machines, I'm lucky if less than 3 of them are looping with that message at any one time. Really agrivates me when neither of my PPro machines are generating :-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 08:51:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA20692 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20664 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24085; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:46:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:46:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: "David O'Brien" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <19970301230027.SQ31655@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, David O'Brien wrote: > > Oh, and the executables are linked against libc-3.0, so my two power > > machines (P6/166 running 2.1.7) will be out of the running when they go to > > binary-only clients. > > Just link your libc.so.2.2 to libc.so.3.0. You probably won't see any > problems. I don't think rc5-client-* uses a whole lot from libc anyway. I got into and out of that habit very quickly, because I've got so many FreeBSD boxes, and because I tend to compile on my fast machines and transfer elsewhere, so if I did that, I'd have to do it on all my machines. FYI, if you're running the client on a PPro, compile your own client! While the precompiled clients are 33% faster on P5s, the stock i486-gcc target is over 10% faster on P6s. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 09:05:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21335 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21314 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24141; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:05:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:05:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Brian Tao , Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <1174.857298508@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > What's the total keys/sec rating right now? I wonder if even > certain government agencies have key breaking machines capable > of reaching these kinds of performance figures? :-) Someone who can't participate benchmarked their massively parallel machine at 20Mkeys/sec, all by itself. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 09:58:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23368 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23353; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199703021758.JAA23353@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:58:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: ben@narcissus.ml.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, taob@risc.org, toor@dyson.iquest.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at Mar 2, 97 08:49:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > > > On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Snob Art Genre wrote: > > > On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > The details can be found at http://www.vex.net/rsa/ > > > for the team we are participating on. > > > > Well, narcissus and I are on board. I have gotten this message, though: > > > > get_keyspace: Operation timed out > > rc5-56-client: Error getting key. > > rc5-56-client: Sleeping 10 minutes... > > > > Anything to worry about? I guess I should wait and see if it happens > > again. I amped the rc5-client off the the background -- that shouldn't > > make any difference, should it? > > Running it in the forground on 5 machines, I'm lucky if less than 3 of > them are looping with that message at any one time. Really agrivates me > when neither of my PPro machines are generating :-) to add insult to injury, the time spent sleeping waiting to get a new key block is counted against your run time. my computer, which does 90k+ keys/sec on the "-m" option, yields between 73k-89k keys/sec. in processing 4 key blocks this morning, i spent 44 minutes waiting to report the results and 160 minutes waiting to get the next key block. i could have done 3-4 more key blocks in that time, i.e. 50% effective thruput ;(( the precompiled client does not handle a SIGHUP correctly. rather than wait for the key block to finish, it terminates immediately. shame they did not add some timestamps to the messages. would make the output more interesting jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 10:02:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23484 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23478; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199703021802.KAA23478@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:02:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at Mar 2, 97 09:05:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > What's the total keys/sec rating right now? I wonder if even > > certain government agencies have key breaking machines capable > > of reaching these kinds of performance figures? :-) > > Someone who can't participate benchmarked their massively parallel machine > at 20Mkeys/sec, all by itself. > > hmm....5x86-133 uses 5 minutes to do 20Mkeys. a factor of 300 faster....there are faster machines out there yet. remember the 6000(?) cpu intel box that the gov't bought. not that it would be used to break keys. jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 10:24:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24284 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24279 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-33.netcom.ca [207.181.81.97]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA24257 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA00572; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:20:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:20:05 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , ben@narcissus.ml.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, toor@dyson.iquest.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703021758.JAA23353@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > shame they did not add some timestamps to the messages. > would make the output more interesting ./client -i rsacrack@vex.net |& logger & :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 10:43:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24905 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from cicerone.uunet.ca (root@cicerone.uunet.ca [142.77.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24900 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from why.whine.com ([205.150.249.1]) by mail.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <115842-9606>; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:43:45 -0500 Received: from why (why [205.150.249.1]) by why.whine.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11174; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:42:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:42:21 -0500 From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: Crazy RSA-cracking idea... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > How about we turn the RC5 cracking code into an lkm and include it > with the next distribution of FreeBSD? I figure the 56-bit key will > take over a year to crack given the current growth curve and figuring > in a bit of luck. Why not make it easy for every FreeBSD box out > there to join in? ;-) That would be.... wild. :) > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > Why not give everyone the negative option. Just put it in the kernel and make them run it :) Andrew It's a feature... keeps your cpu warm ;) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 10:57:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25611 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25599 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 10:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA09739; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:57:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:57:26 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703021857.NAA09739@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <5fb0r7$o8q$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >From The Desk Of "Eric J. Schwertfeger" : >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: >> >> > Again, anyone out there with a fast PPRO with fast EDO (60 ns or better).. >. ?? >> >> Well, a P150 overclocked to 166 with 60ns EDO benchmarked at 285K/sec, if >> that's any help. >> >> >yes, that is of help... >Now if we can get a PPro 200Mhz overclocked to 233 and 60ns EDO benchmarked >we may be able to see 400k/sec. >This benchmark may actually help to push for a reference high speed >FreeBSD box. Thats what I have, and no, its still around ~350k/sec, EDO ram helps little to none.. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 11:02:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25903 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25898 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA09779; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:02:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:02:49 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703021902.OAA09779@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crazy RSA-cracking idea... Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <5fb9nt$juc$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: > How about we turn the RC5 cracking code into an lkm and include it >with the next distribution of FreeBSD? I figure the 56-bit key will >take over a year to crack given the current growth curve and figuring >in a bit of luck. Why not make it easy for every FreeBSD box out >there to join in? ;-) That would be.... wild. :) We could even display it during boot -- instead of bogomips (whatever the hell that is) we have real work! Cracking N Keys/sec! :) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 11:10:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26293 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-33.netcom.ca [207.181.81.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26287 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00605; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:09:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703021802.KAA23478@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > hmm....5x86-133 uses 5 minutes to do 20Mkeys. a factor of 300 > faster....there are faster machines out there yet. remember the > 6000(?) cpu intel box that the gov't bought. You mean the Paragon? Massively-parallel computing would be ideally suited for this type of job. Each CPU grabs a chunk of the keyspace and then works on it totally independently of all the others. If you have a 4096-node system, with each CPU only capable of 100,000 keys/sec, you still end up with 400 million keys/sec. That would be a match for the world-wide effort under way with the genx.net server. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 11:10:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26330 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-33.netcom.ca [207.181.81.97]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26325 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA00611; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:10:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:10:45 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crazy RSA-cracking idea... In-Reply-To: <199703021902.OAA09779@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > We could even display it during boot -- instead of bogomips (whatever the hell > that is) we have real work! Cracking N Keys/sec! :) I like it! :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 11:33:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26992 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26987 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24587; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:33:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:33:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Charles Henrich cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703021857.NAA09739@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > >Now if we can get a PPro 200Mhz overclocked to 233 and 60ns EDO benchmarked > >we may be able to see 400k/sec. > > >This benchmark may actually help to push for a reference high speed > >FreeBSD box. > > Thats what I have, and no, its still around ~350k/sec, EDO ram helps little to > none.. Is that with the precompiled binary? If so, it's optimized for the P5, and is actually 10% slower than the result of "make i486-gcc" on a PPro. If it is with the precompiled binary, and we could get someone to overclock a dual PPro to 233/233, then we might just be able to unseat the Dual 400Mhz alpha currently sitting at the top of the list. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 11:39:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27224 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:39:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27218 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA09955; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:39:21 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703021939.OAA09955@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:39:21 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at "Mar 2, 97 11:33:07 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is that with the precompiled binary? If so, it's optimized for the P5, > and is actually 10% slower than the result of "make i486-gcc" on a PPro. > Yep, its there binary. And its faster than any build's I've done with their source. If I build from source I get 220k/sec. > If it is with the precompiled binary, and we could get someone to > overclock a dual PPro to 233/233, then we might just be able to unseat the > Dual 400Mhz alpha currently sitting at the top of the list. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 11:42:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27440 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27434 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA10009; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:42:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:42:29 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703021942.OAA10009@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <5fcjhv$b72$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: >> >> hmm....5x86-133 uses 5 minutes to do 20Mkeys. a factor of 300 >> faster....there are faster machines out there yet. remember the >> 6000(?) cpu intel box that the gov't bought. > You mean the Paragon? Massively-parallel computing would be >ideally suited for this type of job. Each CPU grabs a chunk of the >keyspace and then works on it totally independently of all the others. >If you have a 4096-node system, with each CPU only capable of 100,000 >keys/sec, you still end up with 400 million keys/sec. That would be a >match for the world-wide effort under way with the genx.net server. No, he's talking about the Sandia National labs 9000+ PPRO 200 system for simulating nuclear detonations. 9000*350K/sec is 3150 MKeys/sec, they could break this in no time :) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 11:49:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27928 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27920; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199703021949.LAA27920@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:49:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Mar 2, 97 02:09:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > hmm....5x86-133 uses 5 minutes to do 20Mkeys. a factor of 300 > > faster....there are faster machines out there yet. remember the > > 6000(?) cpu intel box that the gov't bought. > > You mean the Paragon? Massively-parallel computing would be > ideally suited for this type of job. Each CPU grabs a chunk of the > keyspace and then works on it totally independently of all the others. > If you have a 4096-node system, with each CPU only capable of 100,000 > keys/sec, you still end up with 400 million keys/sec. That would be a > match for the world-wide effort under way with the genx.net server. that the idea, but i dont believe it is hte paragon. rather a 1.8 teraflop machine that was announced september '95 6000 P6 processors and 262GB or RAM (G not M). at 300k keys/sec per P6 .... 1.8 Gkeys/sec vs the 56-bit keyspace is still 463 days (if you have to check every key) on average 232 days jmb ps. thanks for the command line: "./rc5-client-freebsd -i rsacrack@vex.net | & logger" ;) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 11:51:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28050 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28043; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:50:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199703021950.LAA28043@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:50:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Mar 2, 97 02:09:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > hmm....5x86-133 uses 5 minutes to do 20Mkeys. a factor of 300 > > faster....there are faster machines out there yet. remember the > > 6000(?) cpu intel box that the gov't bought. > > You mean the Paragon? Massively-parallel computing would be forgot the url. http://www.sandia.gov/LabNews/LN09-15-95/teraflop.html jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:06:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28801 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-18.netcom.ca [207.181.94.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28785 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA14433; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:06:22 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:06:22 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: chat@freebsd.org cc: rsacrack@vex.net Subject: [RSAcrack] Effort seems to be slowing down... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I wonder if the new binaries/servers will take this into consideration, but the effort is slowing down, due to the fact that its getting harder and harder to connect to the central server :( Looking at http://zero.genx.net/bill/summary.html, there are 14060hosts participating, with an estimated "completion time" of 20.12years... This morning, it was something like 2.92years... Average MK/sec since the beginning: 204.68 Average MK/sec over the past 3 hours: 113.58 They should try to work out some sort of distribution system, whereby instead of everyone connecting to the one central server, we could point at some secondary servers...shit, just give linuxnet.org (@ 4407hosts) and best.net (@ 1714hosts) their own servers would take a helluva load off of genx.net... Oh well, just some comments/observations... For those that *aren't* following the stats, though, we are in 10th place now...we're slowly creeping up... From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:10:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29082 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29071 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.8.5/UCD3.8.5) id MAA23119; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id UAA04203; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:01:18 GMT Message-ID: <19970302120117.ME09167@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:01:17 -0800 From: obrien@NUXI.com (David O'Brien) To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge References: <199703021758.JAA23353@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Disclaimer: Mutt Bites! Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 In-Reply-To: <199703021758.JAA23353@freefall.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Mar 2, 1997 09:58:26 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler writes: > the precompiled client does not handle a SIGHUP correctly. > rather than wait for the key block to finish, it terminates > immediately. You've probably got the older version 1 client. Both rc5-client-bsdi and rc5-client-freebsd are the older client. I can put my modified v2.01 source on Freefall if anybody wants to grab it. The big thing I added was time stamping. The resuling binary is freefall:~obrien/rc5/rc5-client-fbsd -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:18:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29405 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29394; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:18:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199703022018.MAA29394@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge To: obrien@NUXI.com (David O'Brien) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:18:18 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19970302120117.ME09167@dragon.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at Mar 2, 97 12:01:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David O'Brien wrote: > > Jonathan M. Bresler writes: > > the precompiled client does not handle a SIGHUP correctly. > > rather than wait for the key block to finish, it terminates > > immediately. > > You've probably got the older version 1 client. Both rc5-client-bsdi and > rc5-client-freebsd are the older client. > > I can put my modified v2.01 source on Freefall if anybody wants to grab > it. The big thing I added was time stamping. how is hte speed vs teh precompiled? on the precompiled i get 90k; locally compiled clients yield 84k brian tao gave me a command line to add timestamps by putting the output into /var/log/messages ;) jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:19:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29478 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29471 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@gatekeeper.Lamb.net [207.90.181.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.5/20.74.3.14) with ESMTP id MAA01419; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.8.5/8.7.6) id MAA16284; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:19:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199703022019.MAA16284@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: [RSAcrack] Effort seems to be slowing down... To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:19:07 -0800 (PST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, rsacrack@vex.net In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 2, 97 04:06:22 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I wonder if the new binaries/servers will take this into > consideration, but the effort is slowing down, due to the fact that > its getting harder and harder to connect to the central server :( > > Looking at http://zero.genx.net/bill/summary.html, there > are 14060hosts participating, with an estimated "completion time" of > 20.12years... > > This morning, it was something like 2.92years... > > Average MK/sec since the beginning: 204.68 > Average MK/sec over the past 3 hours: 113.58 > > They should try to work out some sort of distribution system, > whereby instead of everyone connecting to the one central server, > we could point at some secondary servers...shit, just give linuxnet.org > (@ 4407hosts) and best.net (@ 1714hosts) their own servers would take > a helluva load off of genx.net... > > Oh well, just some comments/observations... > > For those that *aren't* following the stats, though, we are in > 10th place now...we're slowly creeping up... > The years on genx.net were long time wrong, and he said so too. Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:29:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00949 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00872 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA10351; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:29:01 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022029.PAA10351@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:29:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703021802.KAA23478@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Mar 2, 97 10:02:43 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is an interesting tidbit, Eric J. Schwertfeger compiled the client on a 2.1 machine (as did I now) and I get 385k/sec instead of 350k/sec on my PP200. Why is the 2.1 compiler that much faster? Any ideas? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:29:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01449 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01439 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24794 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:29:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:29:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: GCC options for PPro, was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703021950.LAA28043@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Actually, this has brought up something very interesting. I stated that compiling your own client was faster for a Pentium Pro, and was contradicted by Charles Henrich. Well, it turns out that GCC 2.6.3 from 2.1.6-RELEASE turns out a much faster PentiumPro executable than does 2.7.2 from 2.2 Beta. I tested this by compiling a static client under both, then shipping them off to a 2.1.7 based PPro. I suspect that one of the options below is the cause of the problem, but why the dramatic difference? (281Kkeys/sec vs 160Kkeys/sec). My first guess is that one of the options wasn't implemented in 2.6.3, but that should give an error. So maybe one of them is implemented differently. -O6 changed, but I don't know about any of the others. Now, this concerns me just a little, as I'm expecting delivery of my PPro for my home machine, which is running 2.2, tomorrow. Does anyone have any experience at tuning gcc 2.7.2 for PPro CPUs? Here's a list of what options the rc5 client uses. Which ones are wrong for the P6? OPTS_GCC=\ -fcaller-saves -fcse-follow-jumps -fcse-skip-blocks \ -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer \ -frerun-cse-after-loop -fstrength-reduce -fthread-jumps \ -funroll-loops -O6 -Wall Furthermore, which list would this tangent be more appropriate for? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:35:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01951 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nic.follonett.no (nic.follonett.no [194.198.43.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01929 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by nic.follonett.no (8.8.5/8.8.3) with UUCP id VAA00221; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:32:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from oo7 (oo7.dimaga.com [192.0.0.65]) by dimaga.com (8.8.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id VAA07581; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:24:27 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970302212427.00b4f180@dimaga.com> X-Sender: eivind@dimaga.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 21:24:28 +0100 To: Brian Tao From: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: Crazy RSA-cracking idea... Cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:10 PM 3/2/97 -0500, Brian Tao wrote: >On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: >> >> We could even display it during boot -- instead of bogomips (whatever the hell >> that is) we have real work! Cracking N Keys/sec! :) > > I like it! :) I'd run it if it was available - my idle loop doesn't do much, anyway. And if it replace the idle loop, it wouldn't slow down the server more than a few percent max - quite nice. Eivind Eklund perhaps@yes.no http://maybe.yes.no/perhaps/ eivind@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:40:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02116 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:40:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02111 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id NAA19476; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:40:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04693; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:39:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:39:09 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703021942.OAA10009@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > In lists.freebsd.chat you write: > > >On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > >> > >> hmm....5x86-133 uses 5 minutes to do 20Mkeys. a factor of 300 > >> faster....there are faster machines out there yet. remember the > >> 6000(?) cpu intel box that the gov't bought. > > > You mean the Paragon? Massively-parallel computing would be > >ideally suited for this type of job. Each CPU grabs a chunk of the > >keyspace and then works on it totally independently of all the others. > >If you have a 4096-node system, with each CPU only capable of 100,000 > >keys/sec, you still end up with 400 million keys/sec. That would be a > >match for the world-wide effort under way with the genx.net server. > > No, he's talking about the Sandia National labs 9000+ PPRO 200 system for > simulating nuclear detonations. 9000*350K/sec is 3150 MKeys/sec, they could > break this in no time :) AFAIK, it has 7624 PPRO 200s. It is a massively parallel distributed memory architecture and only cost $55 million US. Anyone want to take up a collection for one? Guess FreeBSD's SMP code isn't up to this sort of architecture though... ISTR an article I read on it suggesting that something like it could be a good solution for companies wanting web servers!?! I love the press; everything has to relate to the web somehow... From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 12:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02188 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02181 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA10522 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:44:07 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022044.PAA10522@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:43:49 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at "Mar 2, 97 12:31:01 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> I'll be damned, 388K/sec .. What are you doing differently? I thought 2.7. 2 > > was pulle dinto -current? > > It is. Those binaries I sent were compiled with GCC 2.6.3, not 2.7.2. Some more data (including freebsd-chat@freebsd.org): The binary distribution client performs 45819 keys/sec on a 486/66 A GCC-2.6.3 binary performs 25k/sec on a 486/66 with standard math libs A GCC-2.6.3 binary performs 49k/sec on a 486/66 with HAVE_FPU math libs A GCC-2.7.2 binary performs 40k/sec on a 486/66 with HAVE_FPU math libs The binary distribution client performs 346534 keys/sec on my PPro/233 A GCC-2.6.3 binary performs 390k/sec on a PPro/233 with HAVE_FPU math libs A GCC-2.7.2 binary performs 219k/sec on a PPro/233 with HAVE_FPU math libs Whats going on with the compiler? Anyone? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:03:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02657 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02652 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06453; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:02:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022102.NAA06453@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler), ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 15:29:01 EST." <199703022029.PAA10351@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 13:02:49 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Cool! I got hold of a 2.1 machine and recompiled the binary this is what I am getting: {hasty} ./client -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.614 seconds. (382627.93 keys/sec) {hasty} ./client -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.566 seconds. (389699.01 keys/sec) {hasty} Now a client compiled on my 3.0 box: {hasty} ./client -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 4.449 seconds. (224788.41 keys/sec) It looks like we may have to look at the assembly output of the program to sort out what the hell is going on . >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > Here is an interesting tidbit, Eric J. Schwertfeger compiled the client on a > 2.1 machine (as did I now) and I get 385k/sec instead of 350k/sec on my PP200 . > Why is the 2.1 compiler that much faster? Any ideas? > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:21:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03625 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03620 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA10831; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:21:29 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022121.QAA10831@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:21:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022102.NAA06453@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 01:02:49 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Cool! > > I got hold of a 2.1 machine and recompiled the binary > this is what I am getting: > > {hasty} ./client -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.614 seconds. (382627.93 keys/sec) > {hasty} ./client -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.566 seconds. (389699.01 keys/sec) > {hasty} > > Now a client compiled on my 3.0 box: > > {hasty} ./client -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 4.449 seconds. (224788.41 keys/sec) You need to now update your stats on vex :) What IS vex anyway? And how did it become associated with us FreeBSD folk? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:36:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04230 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:36:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04217 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06629; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:36:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022136.NAA06629@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 16:21:29 EST." <199703022121.QAA10831@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 13:36:12 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Done! Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get him the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) Also, we are getting awfully close to 400k keys/sec 8) Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > > Cool! > > > > I got hold of a 2.1 machine and recompiled the binary > > this is what I am getting: > > > > {hasty} ./client -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.614 seconds. (382627.93 keys/sec) > > {hasty} ./client -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.566 seconds. (389699.01 keys/sec) > > {hasty} > > > > Now a client compiled on my 3.0 box: > > > > {hasty} ./client -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 4.449 seconds. (224788.41 keys/sec) > > You need to now update your stats on vex :) What IS vex anyway? And how did > it become associated with us FreeBSD folk? > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:47:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04869 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04861 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25060; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:46:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:46:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Amancio Hasty cc: Charles Henrich , jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022136.NAA06629@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get him > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The wonders of mime attachments :-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:47:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04889 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04868 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA10969; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:46:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022146.QAA10969@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: ulf@alameda.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RSAcrack] Effort seems to be slowing down... Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <5fcnnu$js9$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >> I wonder if the new binaries/servers will take this into >> consideration, but the effort is slowing down, due to the fact that >> its getting harder and harder to connect to the central server :( >> >> Looking at http://zero.genx.net/bill/summary.html, there >> are 14060hosts participating, with an estimated "completion time" of >> 20.12years... >> >> This morning, it was something like 2.92years... >> >> Average MK/sec since the beginning: 204.68 >> Average MK/sec over the past 3 hours: 113.58 >> >> They should try to work out some sort of distribution system, >> whereby instead of everyone connecting to the one central server, >> we could point at some secondary servers...shit, just give linuxnet.org >> (@ 4407hosts) and best.net (@ 1714hosts) their own servers would take >> a helluva load off of genx.net... >> >> Oh well, just some comments/observations... >> >> For those that *aren't* following the stats, though, we are in >> 10th place now...we're slowly creeping up... >> >The years on genx.net were long time wrong, and he said so too. I think it is slowing down however, keys in the last 30 minutes: 0. Either their key server crashed, or they are replacing it with the new one and new binaries arent yet available. -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:48:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05023 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05018 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:48:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA10985; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:48:07 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022148.QAA10985@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:48:07 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Eric J. Schwertfeger" at "Mar 2, 97 01:46:00 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get him >> the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing > from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The > wonders of mime attachments :-) I see how you are Amancio! Did you single user a nice -20 to get 396? :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:53:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05246 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05241 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06769; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:52:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022152.NAA06769@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 16:21:29 EST." <199703022121.QAA10831@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 13:52:02 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I took out the -m486 and added -finline-functions now I get consistently 396k Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > > Cool! > > > > I got hold of a 2.1 machine and recompiled the binary > > this is what I am getting: > > > > {hasty} ./client -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.614 seconds. (382627.93 keys/sec) > > {hasty} ./client -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.566 seconds. (389699.01 keys/sec) > > {hasty} > > > > Now a client compiled on my 3.0 box: > > > > {hasty} ./client -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 4.449 seconds. (224788.41 keys/sec) > > You need to now update your stats on vex :) What IS vex anyway? And how did > it become associated with us FreeBSD folk? > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:55:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05321 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05315 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06808; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:54:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022154.NAA06808@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: ejs@bfd.com (Eric J. Schwertfeger), jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 16:48:07 EST." <199703022148.QAA10985@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 13:54:58 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > >> Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get h im > >> the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > > > If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing > > from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The > > wonders of mime attachments :-) > > I see how you are Amancio! Did you single user a nice -20 to get 396? :) > Nope, I took out a few transistor that I didn't need on my PPRO 8) No, I just recompile the binary without -m486 and added -finline-functions. Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:55:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05354 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05333 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA00618; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:54:38 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022154.QAA00618@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:54:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022136.NAA06629@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 01:36:12 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get him > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > Also, we are getting awfully close to 400k keys/sec 8) > Well my machine is more feeble, I cant break 394k/sec :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 13:59:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05460 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05447 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA00720; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:58:04 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022158.QAA00720@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:58:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022154.NAA06808@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 01:54:58 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I see how you are Amancio! Did you single user a nice -20 to get 396? :) > > > > Nope, I took out a few transistor that I didn't need on my PPRO 8) > > No, I just recompile the binary without -m486 and added -finline-functions. Hee hee. Well that little trick only helped me margianlly I finally broke 395, 395080 to be exact, fairly repeatable to. Your machine clearly has the edge, what sort of ram speed are you running? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:07:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05815 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-18.netcom.ca [207.181.94.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05806 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA14994; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:06:06 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:06:06 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Amancio Hasty , Charles Henrich , jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get him > > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing > from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The > wonders of mime attachments :-) > Where can one get this updated binary? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:07:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05835 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05825 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:07:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06970; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:07:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022207.OAA06970@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 16:58:04 EST." <199703022158.QAA00720@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:07:34 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My motherboard is an ASUS P/I XP6NP5 and I have 60ns dram. Trying playing with your BIOS settings for memory timing. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > > > > I see how you are Amancio! Did you single user a nice -20 to get 396? :) > > > > > > > Nope, I took out a few transistor that I didn't need on my PPRO 8) > > > > No, I just recompile the binary without -m486 and added -finline-functions. > > Hee hee. Well that little trick only helped me margianlly I finally broke 39 5, > 395080 to be exact, fairly repeatable to. Your machine clearly has the edge, > what sort of ram speed are you running? > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:09:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05949 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05941 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA00810; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:08:59 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022208.RAA00810@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:08:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022207.OAA06970@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 02:07:34 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > My motherboard is an ASUS P/I XP6NP5 and I have 60ns dram. > > Trying playing with your BIOS settings for memory timing. I would but my lame AmiBios wont let me at em :( -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:14:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06118 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06112 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07053; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:14:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022214.OAA07053@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , Charles Henrich , jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 18:06:06 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:14:25 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/rc5-56-client.gz Have at it 8) Amancio >From The Desk Of The Hermit Hacker : > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get him > > > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > > > If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing > > from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The > > wonders of mime attachments :-) > > > > Where can one get this updated binary? > > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:16:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06194 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06172 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA00851; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022215.RAA00851@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022214.OAA07053@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 02:14:25 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >From The Desk Of The Hermit Hacker : > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get > him > > > > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > > > > > If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing > > > from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The > > > wonders of mime attachments :-) > > > > > > > Where can one get this updated binary? > > > > > > ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/rc5-56-client.gz > > Have at it 8) Its interesting to see a factually "ancient" binary being called the updated one :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:24:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06531 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06526 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA24612 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA00905; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:24:06 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022224.RAA00905@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:24:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 2, 97 06:22:58 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Still comes in about 2500keys/sec slower on a P133 *shrug* > > > > ./rc5-56-client -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.565 seconds. (116754.49 keys/sec) > > > ./rc5-56-client -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.540 seconds. (117097.90 keys/sec) > > > ./rc5-client-freebsd -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.038 seconds. (124401.52 keys/sec) You also need the new math libs I imagine. Amancio did you compile that static? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:28:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06600 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06585 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA00951; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:27:23 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022227.RAA00951@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:27:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 2, 97 06:22:58 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > ./rc5-56-client -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.565 seconds. (116754.49 keys/sec) > > > ./rc5-56-client -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.540 seconds. (117097.90 keys/sec) > > > ./rc5-client-freebsd -m > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.038 seconds. (124401.52 keys/sec) > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:32:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06824 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06819 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA00990; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:31:48 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022231.RAA00990@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: RSA Server down.. router blocking To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:31:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022223.OAA07162@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 02:23:35 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It looks to me that the router is blocking the key port out at genx.net Their stats are now showing 0 keys in the last hour. I can ping that box, telnet to it, traceroute it, hit the port and im dead in the water. Must be something going on out there. -Crh From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:33:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06872 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06867 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07265; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:33:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022233.OAA07265@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker), ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:24:06 EST." <199703022224.RAA00905@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:33:08 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nope, I can keep trying different combinations including static 8) Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > Still comes in about 2500keys/sec slower on a P133 *shrug* > > > > > > > ./rc5-56-client -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.565 seconds. (116754.49 keys/sec) > > > > > ./rc5-56-client -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.540 seconds. (117097.90 keys/sec) > > > > > ./rc5-client-freebsd -m > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.038 seconds. (124401.52 keys/sec) > > You also need the new math libs I imagine. Amancio did you compile that > static? > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:36:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06950 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-18.netcom.ca [207.181.94.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06943 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA15179; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:35:24 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:35:24 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Charles Henrich cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022227.RAA00951@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at > ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd > Same results, but you mentioned something about new math libs? I'm running 3.0-current over here (well, current as far as before all the lite2 instabilities)... From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:36:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07044 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07018 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-18.netcom.ca [207.181.94.82]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA24602 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA15082; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:22:58 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:22:58 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Charles Henrich cc: Amancio Hasty , ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022215.RAA00851@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing > > > > from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The > > > > wonders of mime attachments :-) > > > > > > > > > > Where can one get this updated binary? > > > > > > > > > > ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/rc5-56-client.gz > > > > Have at it 8) > > Its interesting to see a factually "ancient" binary being called the updated > one :) > Still comes in about 2500keys/sec slower on a P133 *shrug* > ./rc5-56-client -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.565 seconds. (116754.49 keys/sec) > ./rc5-56-client -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.540 seconds. (117097.90 keys/sec) > ./rc5-client-freebsd -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.038 seconds. (124401.52 keys/sec) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:36:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07053 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07032 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA24597 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07162; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:23:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022223.OAA07162@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: scrappy@hub.org, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:15:33 EST." <199703022215.RAA00851@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:23:35 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, okay you convince the folks which are generating the binaries for the latest clients to give us a binary for our PPRO 8) Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > >From The Desk Of The Hermit Hacker : > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get > > > him > > > > > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > > > > > > > If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing > > > > from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The > > > > wonders of mime attachments :-) > > > > > > > > > > Where can one get this updated binary? > > > > > > > > > > ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/rc5-56-client.gz > > > > Have at it 8) > > Its interesting to see a factually "ancient" binary being called the updated > one :) > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:36:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07086 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07001 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA01021; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022236.RAA01021@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:36:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 2, 97 06:35:24 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at > > ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd > > > Same results, but you mentioned something about new math libs? > I'm running 3.0-current over here (well, current as far as before all > the lite2 instabilities)... You need to rebuild /usr/lib/msun after editing /etc/make.conf to enable HAVE_FPU -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07381 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07376 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06616; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:43:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Brian Tao cc: Tim Vanderhoek , Charles Henrich , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > > > After looking through the list I was tempted to revamp an old XT > > sitting around to run Minix for a couple hours... :-) > > Go for it! We want to have both the fastest *and* slowest > hardware on the planet working for us. :) There's no real practical > reason for this, other than the "cool" factor, as you mentioned. :) > We already have a pathetic Sun 3/60 in there, but I want to see a > client running on a TCP/IP-capable Newton or Pilot, or in Minix > installed in a virtual DOS machine on a slow Sparc, or perhaps an > Apple II version (if one becomes available) running in the A2 emulator > running in the Executor Macintosh emulator running under Linux > emulation on a 386sx/16 running FreeBSD. ;-) The TI-85 graphing calculators have Z80 CPUs -- I've long thought about seeing what it would take to put CP/M on one. Then all I need is an IP stack for CP/M . . . > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:45:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07490 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-18.netcom.ca [207.181.94.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07483 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA15294; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:44:13 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:44:13 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Amancio Hasty cc: Charles Henrich , ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022233.OAA07265@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Nope, I can keep trying different combinations including static 8) > With pgcc-current, if I get rid of the m486 and add -finline-functions (and/or ASM_I486), I get values on par with what comes in the binary. Oh, and I added -lm to LIBS... > Cheers, > Amancio > > >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > Still comes in about 2500keys/sec slower on a P133 *shrug* > > > > > > > > > > ./rc5-56-client -m > > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.565 seconds. (116754.49 keys/sec) > > > > > > > ./rc5-56-client -m > > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.540 seconds. (117097.90 keys/sec) > > > > > > > ./rc5-client-freebsd -m > > > rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts > > > rc5-56-client: Complete in 8.038 seconds. (124401.52 keys/sec) > > > > You also need the new math libs I imagine. Amancio did you compile that > > static? > > > > -Crh > > > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:46:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07531 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-18.netcom.ca [207.181.94.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07523 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA15299; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:44:51 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:44:51 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Charles Henrich cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022236.RAA01021@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at > > > ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd > > > > > Same results, but you mentioned something about new math libs? > > I'm running 3.0-current over here (well, current as far as before all > > the lite2 instabilities)... > > You need to rebuild /usr/lib/msun after editing /etc/make.conf to enable > HAVE_FPU > k, already had/have that enabled, and it was enabled on my last make world, so that should be okay... From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:46:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07568 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07562 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07379; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:46:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022246.OAA07379@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker), ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:36:04 EST." <199703022236.RAA01021@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:46:26 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Which brings the interesting point since gcc in 3.0-current is inefficient should we also recompile msun on a 2.1 system for PPRO systems? Who knows we may be able to break the 400k keys/sec before the end of the day 8) Amancio >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at > > > ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd > > > > > Same results, but you mentioned something about new math libs? > > I'm running 3.0-current over here (well, current as far as before all > > the lite2 instabilities)... > > You need to rebuild /usr/lib/msun after editing /etc/make.conf to enable > HAVE_FPU > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:50:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07748 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-18.netcom.ca [207.181.94.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07743 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA15376; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:49:54 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:49:54 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Amancio Hasty cc: Charles Henrich , ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022246.OAA07379@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Which brings the interesting point since gcc in 3.0-current is inefficient > should we also recompile msun on a 2.1 system for PPRO systems? > Who knows we may be able to break the 400k keys/sec before the end > of the day 8) > This all kinda becomes irrelevant when the new code comes out, no? :) Just curious...but anyone out there with enough experience to look at the ASM_I486 code and know whether there is a way of optimizing *that* for both Pentium and PPro? > > Amancio > > >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > > > > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at > > > > ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd > > > > > > > Same results, but you mentioned something about new math libs? > > > I'm running 3.0-current over here (well, current as far as before all > > > the lite2 instabilities)... > > > > You need to rebuild /usr/lib/msun after editing /etc/make.conf to enable > > HAVE_FPU > > > > -Crh > > > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:54:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07891 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:54:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07885 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06638; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:49:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:49:25 -0800 (PST) From: Snob Art Genre To: "David O'Brien" cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <19970302120117.ME09167@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, David O'Brien wrote: > Jonathan M. Bresler writes: > > the precompiled client does not handle a SIGHUP correctly. > > rather than wait for the key block to finish, it terminates > > immediately. > > You've probably got the older version 1 client. Both rc5-client-bsdi and > rc5-client-freebsd are the older client. > > I can put my modified v2.01 source on Freefall if anybody wants to grab > it. The big thing I added was time stamping. > > The resuling binary is freefall:~obrien/rc5/rc5-client-fbsd How can those of us w/out freefall accounts snarf that? Or can we? > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:54:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07931 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07924 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA01169; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:53:35 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022253.RAA01169@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:53:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 2, 97 06:49:54 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Which brings the interesting point since gcc in 3.0-current is inefficient > > should we also recompile msun on a 2.1 system for PPRO systems? > > Who knows we may be able to break the 400k keys/sec before the end > > of the day 8) > > > This all kinda becomes irrelevant when the new code comes out, > no? :) Not really, we can give back our information to them so they gen the correct binary. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 14:55:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08016 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08008 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07517; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:55:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022255.OAA07517@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Charles Henrich , ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 18:49:54 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:55:15 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is not irrevelant ! If you have a PPRO you may want to know the best optimizations or compiler for your system and we may request that the supplied binary be made with PPRO optimizations however we will have to first discover what is a good environ for our PPROs. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of The Hermit Hacker : > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Which brings the interesting point since gcc in 3.0-current is inefficient > > should we also recompile msun on a 2.1 system for PPRO systems? > > Who knows we may be able to break the 400k keys/sec before the end > > of the day 8) > > > This all kinda becomes irrelevant when the new code comes out, > no? :) > > Just curious...but anyone out there with enough experience to look > at the ASM_I486 code and know whether there is a way of optimizing *that* > for both Pentium and PPro? > > > > > Amancio > > > > >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at > > > > > ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd > > > > > > > > > Same results, but you mentioned something about new math libs? > > > > I'm running 3.0-current over here (well, current as far as before all > > > > the lite2 instabilities)... > > > > > > You need to rebuild /usr/lib/msun after editing /etc/make.conf to enable > > > HAVE_FPU > > > > > > -Crh > > > > > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > > > > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > > > > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:02:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08319 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from key.sms.fi (count@key.sms.fi [194.197.125.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08314 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from count@localhost) by key.sms.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA28243; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:01:35 +0200 (EET) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199703022301.BAA28243@key.sms.fi> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022136.NAA06629@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 01:36:12 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:01:34 +0200 (EET) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty taisi sanoa: > Done! > > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get him > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) I don't need any convincing - it *is* already overclocked from 180MHz ;-) It's 1am over here and I've got a work day tomorrow, so I won't be opening up my baby and changing the jumpers. But I promise to try so we can see what happens. (Hopefully not sparks and smoke!) -- Bror 'Count' Heinola # Santa Monica Software # Email: bror@sms.fi Isokaari 27 A2 # Technical Support # IRC: Count FI-00200 HELSINKI # Cisco / Ascend # NIC: BH271 +358-40-523-2171 # +358-9-613-8911 # Are you defective? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:09:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08590 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-03.netcom.ca [207.181.81.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08579 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00764 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:09:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:09:14 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Information on new clients Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There were concerns that the new clients to be distribution by genx.net would not come with source code, but it appears they have changed their mind. This is a message from a fellow at genx.net sent to the rsacrack@vex.net mailing list. If you are on the rsacrack team and you would like to subscribe, please see http://www.vex.net/rsa/ . -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: Earle Ady To: rsacrack@vex.net Subject: [RSA] ....... Resent-From: rsacrack@vex.net To answer the most frequent questions I'll receive from this mail: o New clients will be available early this week. o New proxies will be available for each platform the clients support. o We're supporting over 52 OS/hardware platform combinations, with and without SOCKS4 and SOCKS5 support. o The client binaries on ftp.genx.net (when they're put back there, /pub/crypto/rc5) are -significantly- faster than most people will be able to squeeze out of compiling the source code. There are many reasons for this which I don't want to get into at this point. o Source code for the new client and proxies -will- be distributed, at a date not decided upon yet. o Source code should be used mainly for reference only, as the binaries we provide on our FTP site will certainly almost always be faster. o New clients provide additional features, such as downloading of keyblock space (up to 15 * (16 ^ 7) keys). [...] From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:09:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08622 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08615 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07613; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:08:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022308.PAA07613@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 01:01:34 +0200." <199703022301.BAA28243@key.sms.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 15:08:10 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Hmmm... careful there I don't think that you can overclock your 180Mhz PPRo to 233mhz at least it will probably not work reliably . Must admit it is kind of cool to be breathing down the dual 400mhz alpha system 8) Now we just have to hunt down a dual PPro 200mhz, convince the owner to overclock it to 233Mhz and run the benchmark 8) Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of "Bror 'Count' Heinola" : > Amancio Hasty taisi sanoa: > > Done! > > > > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get hi m > > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > I don't need any convincing - it *is* already overclocked > from 180MHz ;-) It's 1am over here and I've got a work day > tomorrow, so I won't be opening up my baby and changing the > jumpers. But I promise to try so we can see what happens. > (Hopefully not sparks and smoke!) > > -- > Bror 'Count' Heinola # Santa Monica Software # Email: bror@sms.fi > Isokaari 27 A2 # Technical Support # IRC: Count > FI-00200 HELSINKI # Cisco / Ascend # NIC: BH271 > +358-40-523-2171 # +358-9-613-8911 # Are you defective? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:10:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08695 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08685; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:10:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199703022310.PAA08685@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:10:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, ejs@bfd.com, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022214.OAA07053@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Mar 2, 97 02:14:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/rc5-56-client.gz > a new winner! AMD 5x86-133 FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Amancio: rc5-56-client: 100k precompiled 91k locally compiled (1) 86k locally compiled (2) 84k (1) OPTS_GCC= -O6 -Wall -finline-functions OPTS_GCC_I486 = $(OPTS_GCC) $(SOCKS_OPTS) -m486 -DASM_I486 -lm (2) OPTS_GCC=\ -fcaller-saves -fcse-follow-jumps -fcse-skip-blocks \ -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer \ -frerun-cse-after-loop -fstrength-reduce -fthread-jumps \ -funroll-loops -fdefer-pop -finline-functions -O3 -Wall OPTS_GCC_I486 = $(OPTS_GCC) $(SOCKS_OPTS) -m486 -DASM_I486 GCC 2.7.2.1 last make world: Feb 9 06:36 (pre-lite2) /etc/make.conf: CFLAGS= -O2 -m486 -pipe COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe HAVE_FPU= yes Amancio! what is the secret??? (your's is also the smallest 17k vs 20k+) jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:11:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08734 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08726 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id QAA25699; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:10:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05638; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:10:53 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:10:52 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA Server down.. router blocking In-Reply-To: <199703022231.RAA00990@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Umm... sounds more to me like they are continuing to have problems with SYN flooding, as has been mentioned numerous times. If their server doesn't have adequate code to deal with them or they fake SYNs are coming in at too high of a rate, you will get no response to your connection attempt because the queue of incoming incomplete connections is full with the fake SYNs. On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > It looks to me that the router is blocking the key port out at genx.net > > Their stats are now showing 0 keys in the last hour. I can ping that box, > telnet to it, traceroute it, hit the port and im dead in the water. Must be > something going on out there. > > -Crh > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:14:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08851 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08845 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06808 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:13:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:13:47 -0800 (PST) From: Snob Art Genre To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022154.NAA06808@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > >> Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get h > im > > >> the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > > > > > If you check the stats page, you'll notice he just changed his listing > > > from 606k keys/sec to 676k keys/sec, so he has the updated binary. The > > > wonders of mime attachments :-) > > > > I see how you are Amancio! Did you single user a nice -20 to get 396? :) > > > > Nope, I took out a few transistor that I didn't need on my PPRO 8) > > No, I just recompile the binary without -m486 and added -finline-functions. I wonder how set RSA is on not releasing source for the next version of the client -- I'm tempted to see if I can increase my score by recompiling, but it seems pointless if this client is about to be deprecated. > Cheers, > Amancio > > > Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:15:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08910 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from key.sms.fi (count@key.sms.fi [194.197.125.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08903 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from count@localhost) by key.sms.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA28347; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:14:34 +0200 (EET) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199703022314.BAA28347@key.sms.fi> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022308.PAA07613@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 03:08:10 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:14:33 +0200 (EET) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty taisi sanoa: > Hmmm... careful there I don't think that you can overclock your 180Mhz > PPRo to 233mhz at least it will probably not work reliably . > Must admit it is kind of cool to be breathing down the dual 400mhz alpha > system 8) Yeah, it Hz so good... I've heard though that a PPro won't break from overclocking, it'll only shut itself down if it overheats. We'll see soon ;-) Also, I'm not even trying to get all the possible speed out - Even though I have the fastest BIOS settings I can set, I'm still running ECC (I have parity FPM RAM). Though it seems that the keyserver is not running, so the effort may be wasted... > Now we just have to hunt down a dual PPro 200mhz, convince the owner > to overclock it to 233Mhz and run the benchmark 8) I'm counting on you guys to get me new set of CPUs if I smoke my old ones while doing this ;-) -- Bror 'Count' Heinola # Santa Monica Software # Email: bror@sms.fi Isokaari 27 A2 # Technical Support # IRC: Count FI-00200 HELSINKI # Cisco / Ascend # NIC: BH271 +358-40-523-2171 # +358-9-613-8911 # Are you defective? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:20:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09241 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-03.netcom.ca [207.181.81.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09235 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00772; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:19:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:19:55 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Charles Henrich cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022121.QAA10831@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > What IS vex anyway? And how did it become associated with us > FreeBSD folk? vex.net is an ISP in Toronto where many of the locals ended up after a big telco swooped in a shut down our previous home, io.org (see http://www.vex.net/~taob/ex-io.html if you want the gory, political details). Anyhow, it's my fault FreeBSD domainates the list. ;-) I posted a message to freebsd-chat earlier this week wondering if anyone else was participating in RSA's challenge, and invited anyone with a spare CPU to join us. :) Even though we started late, we are now among the top 10 teams in terms of number of key blocks examined, making us one of the fastest rising ones in this effort. So far, the fastest CPU's are all running FreeBSD. ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:24:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09367 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09353 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA00588; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:23:49 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022323.SAA00588@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:23:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 2, 97 06:19:55 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > What IS vex anyway? And how did it become associated with us > > FreeBSD folk? > > vex.net is an ISP in Toronto where many of the locals ended up > after a big telco swooped in a shut down our previous home, io.org > (see http://www.vex.net/~taob/ex-io.html if you want the gory, > political details). Anyhow, it's my fault FreeBSD domainates the > list. ;-) I posted a message to freebsd-chat earlier this week > wondering if anyone else was participating in RSA's challenge, and > invited anyone with a spare CPU to join us. :) > > Even though we started late, we are now among the top 10 teams in > terms of number of key blocks examined, making us one of the fastest > rising ones in this effort. So far, the fastest CPU's are all running > FreeBSD. ;-) So do we have enough pull to get them to stick a PoweredBy FreeBSD logo on the page? :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:29:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09649 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from key.sms.fi (count@key.sms.fi [194.197.125.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09632 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from count@localhost) by key.sms.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA28452; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:28:00 +0200 (EET) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199703022328.BAA28452@key.sms.fi> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022308.PAA07613@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 03:08:10 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:28:00 +0200 (EET) Cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty taisi sanoa: > Hmmm... careful there I don't think that you can overclock your 180Mhz > PPRo to 233mhz at least it will probably not work reliably . Bah, I knew I couldn't get any sleep if I wouldn't try... It seems that I can't break 400k either. O well... bash-2.00$ ./client.static -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.536 seconds. (394321.92 keys/sec) bash-2.00$ ./client.static -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.538 seconds. (394075.47 keys/sec) bash-2.00$ ./client.static -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.538 seconds. (394045.03 keys/sec) bash-2.00$ ./client.static -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.537 seconds. (394124.70 keys/sec) bash-2.00$ ./client.static -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.536 seconds. (394287.72 keys/sec) bash-2.00$ ./client.static -m rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 1000000 crypts rc5-56-client: Complete in 2.536 seconds. (394357.84 keys/sec) Here's the dmesg output for those who are interested;-) FreeBSD 3.0-SMP #0: Sun Mar 2 14:42:52 EET 1997 count@flagrum.sms.fi:/usr/src/sys-SMP/compile/FLAGRUM-SMP FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011 Calibrating clock(s) relative to mc146818A clock ... i8254 clock: 1193074 Hz CPU: Pentium Pro (686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x617 Stepping=7 Features=0xfbff,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV> real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 129736704 (126696K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 vga0 rev 1 int a irq 17 on pci0:13:0 Freeing (NOT implimented) irq 11 for ISA cards. ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 16 on pci0:14:0 Freeing (NOT implimented) irq 15 for ISA cards. ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs scbus0 at ahc0 bus 0 ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device sd0 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd0: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track ahc0: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device sd1 at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 sd1: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1: Direct-Access 3067MB (6281856 512 byte sectors) sd1: with 6810 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 184 sectors/track cd0 at scbus0 target 6 lun 0 cd0: type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0: CD-ROM can't get the size Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0: current command byte:0047 psm0: status after reset 00 02 64 psm: status 00 00 64 (get_mouse_buttons) psm0: status 00 02 64 psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: device ID 0, 2 buttons sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in 1 3C5x9 board(s) on ISA found at 0x280 ep0 at 0x280-0x28f irq 10 on isa ep0: aui/utp/bnc[*UTP*] address 00:20:af:43:1f:b0 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Enabled INTs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 16, imen: 0x00feea21 SMP: All idle procs online. SMP: Starting 1st AP! SMP: AP CPU #1 LAUNCHED!! Starting Scheduling... SMP: TADA! CPU #1 made it into the scheduler!. SMP: All 2 CPU's are online! -- Bror 'Count' Heinola # Santa Monica Software # Email: bror@sms.fi Isokaari 27 A2 # Technical Support # IRC: Count FI-00200 HELSINKI # Cisco / Ascend # NIC: BH271 +358-40-523-2171 # +358-9-613-8911 # Are you defective? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:32:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09910 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:32:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from key.sms.fi (count@key.sms.fi [194.197.125.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09904 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from count@localhost) by key.sms.fi (8.8.5/8.7.3) id BAA28510; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:31:18 +0200 (EET) From: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" Message-Id: <199703022331.BAA28510@key.sms.fi> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022329.SAA00673@crh.cl.msu.edu> from Charles Henrich at "Mar 2, 97 06:29:51 pm" To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:31:18 +0200 (EET) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Charles Henrich taisi sanoa: > > Well go update your vex listing and best that Snooty Alpha user :) That I'll do and _then_ I'm going to bed. I promise. -- Bror 'Count' Heinola # Santa Monica Software # Email: bror@sms.fi Isokaari 27 A2 # Technical Support # IRC: Count FI-00200 HELSINKI # Cisco / Ascend # NIC: BH271 +358-40-523-2171 # +358-9-613-8911 # Are you defective? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:32:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09948 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09943 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07875; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:32:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022332.PAA07875@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: scrappy@hub.org, ejs@bfd.com, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 15:10:19 PST." <199703022310.PAA08685@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 15:32:29 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I use freefall , FreeBSD 2.1.7 to recompile the client 8) Basically, we have taken yet another step back with gcc :( FreeBSD-1.0's gcc used to rock in terms of compilation it was at least twice as fast as the lastest gcc , and of course it didn't have any of the Pentium optimizations which may account for its current slowness -- well I am just giving it the benefit of the doubt. Someone ought to really look into what the hell is going on with gcc. Amancio >From The Desk Of "Jonathan M. Bresler" : > Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/rc5-56-client.gz > > > > a new winner! > > AMD 5x86-133 > FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT > > Amancio: rc5-56-client: 100k > precompiled 91k > locally compiled (1) 86k > locally compiled (2) 84k > > (1) OPTS_GCC= -O6 -Wall -finline-functions > OPTS_GCC_I486 = $(OPTS_GCC) $(SOCKS_OPTS) -m486 -DASM_I486 -lm > > (2) OPTS_GCC=\ > -fcaller-saves -fcse-follow-jumps -fcse-skip-blocks \ > -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer \ > -frerun-cse-after-loop -fstrength-reduce -fthread-jumps \ > -funroll-loops -fdefer-pop -finline-functions -O3 -Wall > OPTS_GCC_I486 = $(OPTS_GCC) $(SOCKS_OPTS) -m486 -DASM_I486 > > GCC 2.7.2.1 > last make world: Feb 9 06:36 (pre-lite2) > /etc/make.conf: CFLAGS= -O2 -m486 -pipe > COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe > HAVE_FPU= yes > > > Amancio! what is the secret??? (your's is also the smallest 17k vs 20k+) > > jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:32:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09971 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09966 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA00673; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:29:51 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022329.SAA00673@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: count@key.sms.fi (Bror 'Count' Heinola) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:29:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703022328.BAA28452@key.sms.fi> from Bror 'Count' Heinola at "Mar 3, 97 01:28:00 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Amancio Hasty taisi sanoa: > > > Hmmm... careful there I don't think that you can overclock your 180Mhz > > PPRo to 233mhz at least it will probably not work reliably . > > Bah, I knew I couldn't get any sleep if I wouldn't try... > It seems that I can't break 400k either. O well... Well go update your vex listing and best that Snooty Alpha user :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:35:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10181 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10173 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA00745; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:34:53 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022334.SAA00745@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:34:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, scrappy@hub.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022332.PAA07875@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 03:32:29 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD-1.0's gcc used to rock in terms of compilation it was at > least twice as fast as the lastest gcc , and of course it didn't > have any of the Pentium optimizations which may account for its > current slowness -- well I am just giving it the benefit of the > doubt. Someone ought to really look into what the hell is going > on with gcc. So are you going to build a 1.0 binary for us? :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:39:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10394 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10389 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07949; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:38:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703022338.PAA07949@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, scrappy@hub.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 18:34:53 EST." <199703022334.SAA00745@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 15:38:51 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thats not a bad idea since I have a FreeBSD-1.0 CDrom just collecting dust... Guess I have to dust it off before loading the cd into my system 8) Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > FreeBSD-1.0's gcc used to rock in terms of compilation it was at > > least twice as fast as the lastest gcc , and of course it didn't > > have any of the Pentium optimizations which may account for its > > current slowness -- well I am just giving it the benefit of the > > doubt. Someone ought to really look into what the hell is going > > on with gcc. > > So are you going to build a 1.0 binary for us? :) > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:39:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10411 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:39:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-03.netcom.ca [207.181.81.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10406 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:39:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00787; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:38:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:38:32 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" cc: Amancio Hasty , henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022314.BAA28347@key.sms.fi> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Bror 'Count' Heinola wrote: > > Though it seems that the keyserver is not running, so the effort may > be wasted... Not at all... think of it as taking a break from key cracking so we can concentrate on optimizing the client. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:42:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10715 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10709 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA00836; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022342.SAA00836@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: RSA Server down.. router blocking To: marcs@znep.com (Marc Slemko) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:42:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Marc Slemko at "Mar 2, 97 04:10:52 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Umm... sounds more to me like they are continuing to have problems with > SYN flooding, as has been mentioned numerous times. If their server > doesn't have adequate code to deal with them or they fake SYNs are coming > in at too high of a rate, you will get no response to your connection > attempt because the queue of incoming incomplete connections is full with > the fake SYNs. Yea, but that should effect all ports on that system, no? Its only the key port thats seeing this. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:47:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10908 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-03.netcom.ca [207.181.81.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10903 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA00798; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:47:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022323.SAA00588@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > So do we have enough pull to get them to stick a PoweredBy FreeBSD > logo on the page? :) Heheheh... I dunno about having that *alone* (there is a strong Linux presence, including the owner of the page, Rasmus "Mr. PHP" Lerdorf). Besides, we want as many different OS's and machines on the list as possible. Not many Alphas there yet, and I don't see any HP machines either. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 15:50:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11062 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11056 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id SAA00933; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:50:00 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703022350.SAA00933@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:50:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, scrappy@hub.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703022310.PAA08685@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Mar 2, 97 03:10:19 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hell I can compile with just -O and get almost the same performance as all thost gcc opts that are present. The difference is in the noise even. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 16:01:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11728 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11702 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with UUCP id RAA27931; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:01:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA05899; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:01:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:01:13 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA Server down.. router blocking In-Reply-To: <199703022342.SAA00836@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk No the queue (so_q0 in generic BSD code, changed slightly in recent FreeBSD...) is on a per socket basis on nearly every system out there. On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > Umm... sounds more to me like they are continuing to have problems with > > SYN flooding, as has been mentioned numerous times. If their server > > doesn't have adequate code to deal with them or they fake SYNs are coming > > in at too high of a rate, you will get no response to your connection > > attempt because the queue of incoming incomplete connections is full with > > the fake SYNs. > > Yea, but that should effect all ports on that system, no? Its only the key > port thats seeing this. > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 16:30:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14380 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14372 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA23122; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:54:31 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703030024.KAA23122@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022328.BAA28452@key.sms.fi> from Bror 'Count' Heinola at "Mar 3, 97 01:28:00 am" To: count@key.sms.fi (Bror 'Count' Heinola) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:53:50 +1030 (CST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bror 'Count' Heinola stands accused of saying: > Amancio Hasty taisi sanoa: > > > Hmmm... careful there I don't think that you can overclock your 180Mhz > > PPRo to 233mhz at least it will probably not work reliably . > > Bah, I knew I couldn't get any sleep if I wouldn't try... > It seems that I can't break 400k either. O well... Someone should try reducing the rate of timer/clock interrupts; Amancio only needs about another 2% to get past 400K 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 17:00:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17383 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (cmakin@gadget.nla.gov.au [203.4.201.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17375 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cmakin@localhost) by gadget.nla.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA24906; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:59:51 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: gadget.nla.gov.au: cmakin owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:59:50 +1000 (EST) From: Carl Makin To: The Hermit Hacker cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Not sure where everyone is looking, but I got my sources > from: > http://www.texas.net/rc5/rc5-client-2.01.tar.gz > I *just* checked to confirm, and its still there... I'm in Australia. Can we join in? Where can we get FreeBSD and AIX binaries? Carl. -- Carl Makin (VK1KCM) C.Makin@nla.gov.au 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" 'If you want to make your spouse pay attention to what you say... Talk in your sleep!' From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 17:00:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17421 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:00:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs.iastate.edu (cs.iastate.edu [129.186.3.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17404 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from popeye.cs.iastate.edu (popeye.cs.iastate.edu [129.186.3.4]) by cs.iastate.edu (8.7.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA11284; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:00:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (ghelmer@localhost) by popeye.cs.iastate.edu (8.7.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id TAA12854; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:00:22 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: popeye.cs.iastate.edu: ghelmer owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:00:20 -0600 (CST) From: Guy Helmer To: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703022044.PAA10522@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > The binary distribution client performs 346534 keys/sec on my PPro/233 > > A GCC-2.6.3 binary performs 390k/sec on a PPro/233 with HAVE_FPU math libs > A GCC-2.7.2 binary performs 219k/sec on a PPro/233 with HAVE_FPU math libs That might help explain some of the differences in numbers for my runs of SPEC95 fp benchmarks on 2.1.5 (-O2 optimization) w/o HAVE_FPU math libs vs. 2.2-BETA (-O4 optimization) w/ HAVE_FPU. I ran a few of the fp benchmarks on 2.2 to compare to my full run under 2.1.5 and found the codes ran from slightly faster to much slower under 2.2. I figured it was due to the different math library, but maybe the compiler is more at fault than I thought... Guy Helmer, Computer Science Grad Student, Iowa State - ghelmer@cs.iastate.edu http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~ghelmer From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 17:05:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA17792 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17783 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id UAA07589; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id UAA22767; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:04:21 -0500 (EST) To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: "David O'Brien" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 08:46:58 PST." Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 20:04:21 -0500 Message-ID: <22763.857351061@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Eric J. Schwertfeger" wrote in message ID : > I got into and out of that habit very quickly, because I've got so many > FreeBSD boxes, and because I tend to compile on my fast machines and > transfer elsewhere, so if I did that, I'd have to do it on all my > machines. su -m root cd /usr mkdir oldlib cp lib/libc.so.2.2 oldlib/libc.so.3.0 exit setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /usr/lib:/usr/oldlib ./rc5-client-freebsd works fine for me, no linker worries either :) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 17:20:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18688 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from papillon.lemis.de (tirc3.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn [166.111.80.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18635; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.de (8.8.4/8.6.12) id JAA00261; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:09:23 +0800 (CST) From: grog@lemis.de Message-Id: <199702280109.JAA00261@papillon.lemis.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD advert In-Reply-To: <199702261738.MAA10689@housing1.stucen.gatech.edu> from Kenneth Merry at "Feb 26, 97 12:38:06 pm" To: ken@housing1.stucen.gatech.edu (Kenneth Merry) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:09:22 +0800 (CST) Cc: jehamby@lightside.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, marcs@znep.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-to: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~grog X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kenneth Merry writes: > Jake Hamby wrote... >> Marc Slemko writes: > >> > To follow up to what I said before, even better... the FreeBSD ad popped >> > up when I did a search on Linux. >> >> That's not a coincidence! Yahoo's search engine appears to pop up ads >> semi-intelligently. If you search for Linux or FreeBSD, you'll get .. a FreeBSD >> ad! If you search for sex, you get "Create Your Own Custom Hardcore Porn >> Channel" or "The Net's Only XXX Search Engine" (I'm not kidding! :). Look up >> "religion", and you get "Bible News", which you'll need after visiting either of >> the previous sites, I'm sure. ;) Look up "Java", you get a site offering Java >> training. And so forth... > > (deleted) > > So they do targeted advertising based on hostname. Pretty > interesting. So why do they show FreeBSD to Linux users? Somebody at Yahoo loves us? Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 18:16:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21344 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-03.netcom.ca [207.181.81.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21336 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA01242; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:11:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:11:56 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Michael Smith cc: "Bror 'Count' Heinola" , hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703030024.KAA23122@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > > Someone should try reducing the rate of timer/clock interrupts; > Amancio only needs about another 2% to get past 400K 8) Would "rtprio 0 -" help? I'd use that more, if it didn't lock up my machine while the process was running. :( -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 18:17:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21418 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-03.netcom.ca [207.181.81.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21406 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA01254; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:17:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:17:05 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <1174.857298508@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > It would be awesome if you could see the performance of this > "virtual machine" displayed in real-time on a web page. :) One of things we've done recently is encourage a more structured description of your CPU and OS. If anyone out there has an entry at http://www.vex.net/rsa/, please re-visit the page and edit your entry to conform to the new format. Find your entry in the list (you can now sort it on any of the fields), and click on the number to bring up the edit screen. Once all the descriptions are converted over, it will be much easier to extract statistics on just how badly non-UNIX clients are doing, or how much of a contribution each OS is making to the team effort. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 18:26:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21813 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-03.netcom.ca [207.181.81.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21807 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA01265; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:25:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:25:10 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Marc Slemko cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Marc Slemko wrote: > > AFAIK, it has 7624 PPRO 200s. It is a massively parallel > distributed memory architecture and only cost $55 million US. Imagine if they overclocked all the CPU's in that thing... ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 18:28:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21906 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-36.netcom.ca [207.181.94.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21897 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:28:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost.hub.org [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA00193 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:28:22 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:28:22 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Overclocking a Pentium Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi... Does anyone have any experience with the ASUS P/I-P55T2P4 Motherboard, with an Intel P133 (SU073) CPU? I checked the 'Overclock' site (http://sysdoc.pair.com/overclock.html) and it talks about having to run at 83MHz bus speed vs 66Mhz because of Intel disabling the BF1 pin in the CPU? I checked out the ASUS web site, for the tech docs on that particular motherboard, I can find no reference to a setting for an 83Mhz bus, so I'm either blind or I just can't do it with this motherboard... It does say that it only affects 10% of the motherboards, so when I checked the ASUS site, I noticed that the only setting difference that I can find between the 133 and the 166 is the multiplier...raising it to 2.5x on my board doesn't seem to make any difference (rc5-client -m still shows around 128keys/sec), so I think I might have one of those CPUs affected by the BF1 pin disabling :( Anyone know more? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 18:42:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22487 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from hamby1 (hamby1.lightside.net [207.67.176.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22480 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:42:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jehamby@localhost) by hamby1 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01253; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:42:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:42:56 -0800 From: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Message-Id: <199703030242.SAA01253@hamby1> To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, ghelmer@cs.iastate.edu Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: qr3XxXhcXDk9a7SD8Xf6JQ== Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Guy Helmer writes: > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > The binary distribution client performs 346534 keys/sec on my PPro/233 > > > > A GCC-2.6.3 binary performs 390k/sec on a PPro/233 with HAVE_FPU math libs > > A GCC-2.7.2 binary performs 219k/sec on a PPro/233 with HAVE_FPU math libs > > That might help explain some of the differences in numbers for my runs of > SPEC95 fp benchmarks on 2.1.5 (-O2 optimization) w/o HAVE_FPU math libs > vs. 2.2-BETA (-O4 optimization) w/ HAVE_FPU. I ran a few of the fp > benchmarks on 2.2 to compare to my full run under 2.1.5 and found the > codes ran from slightly faster to much slower under 2.2. I figured it was > due to the different math library, but maybe the compiler is more at fault > than I thought... Maybe this has to do with the patch in 2.7.2.1 to disable certain kinds of strength reduction (-fstrength-reduce) because of buggy code generation. Recall that this bug was why FreeBSD changed from using -O2 to -O optimization (although some people used "-O2 -fno-strength-reduce). Here's a quote from David S. Miller, from the "Sun vs. GCC" thread last month: > Also, the various optimizer bugs in GCC in the past have led people > to be wary to use -O2 optimization, much less try additional > optimization flags. > >I know about them, just about all of them are in the strength >reduction pass. I am very familiar with the problematic bugs this >layer has, and I have been actively trying to get people on the GCC >development team to fix them. Almost all of these problems have to do >with when a pointer comparison is converted into an integer invariant >comparison, and vice versa. GCC in certain circumstances does not >notice the change in signed'ness and thus produces incorrect code. In >gcc-2.7.2.1, the strength reduction transformations that were known to >lead to this situation were disabled entirely and in fact this fix was >the entire reason for that release of gcc. -- Jake From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 18:50:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22922 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Marmot.cs.ucdavis.edu (marmot.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22912 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (reqf-066.ucdavis.edu [128.120.253.186]) by Marmot.cs.ucdavis.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA09619; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 11:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA04913; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:11:52 GMT Message-ID: <19970302151152.GW43575@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:11:52 -0800 From: obrien@Marmot.CS.ucdavis.edu (David O'Brien) To: ben@narcissus.ml.org (Snob Art Genre) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge References: <19970302120117.ME09167@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Disclaimer: Mutt Bites! Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 In-Reply-To: ; from Snob Art Genre on Mar 2, 1997 14:49:25 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I can put my modified v2.01 source on Freefall if anybody wants to grab > > it. The big thing I added was time stamping. > > > > The resuling binary is freefall:~obrien/rc5/rc5-client-fbsd > > How can those of us w/out freefall accounts snarf that? Or can we? I just got back from getting one of my boxes net connected again. So you you get get the soruce and binary from ftp://ftp.nuxi.com/pub/FreeBSD/rc5-client-fbsd ftp://ftp.nuxi.com/pub/FreeBSD/rc5-client-2.01-mod.tgz The IP address is 128.120.175.23 in case it hasn't propogated out yet. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 18:56:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23202 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (cmakin@gadget.nla.gov.au [203.4.201.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23197 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cmakin@localhost) by gadget.nla.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25730; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:56:14 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: gadget.nla.gov.au: cmakin owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:56:12 +1000 (EST) From: Carl Makin Reply-To: Carl Makin To: Brian Tao cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, I've got permission to dedicate 15 nodes of an IBM SP2 to it. I can probably do this pretty much 24 hours a day for the next month. Interestingly the code I compiled up from the source at texas gets around 85300keys/s where the precompiled binary only gets around 79000 keys/sec. Averaging 85300 keys/sec and with 15 nodes running it that makes a machine total of 1,279,500 keys/sec. :) Carl. -- Carl Makin (VK1KCM) C.Makin@nla.gov.au 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" 'If you want to make your spouse pay attention to what you say... Talk in your sleep!' From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 19:11:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24038 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:11:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24033 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA05329; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:10:48 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Henrich cc: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker), hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:27:23 EST." <199703022227.RAA00951@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 19:10:47 -0800 Message-ID: <5325.857358647@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at > ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd Yeah, and have Amancio update his stats using *this* version. :-) Running the correct client seems to cost the P6 folk about 20K keys/sec, unfortunately. :( Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 19:13:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24161 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:13:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24142 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA01165; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:13:03 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703030313.WAA01165@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:13:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, ejs@bfd.com, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5325.857358647@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 2, 97 07:10:47 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hmm the one amancio put up seems like the old one. Try the one at > > ftp.scnc.k12.mi.us/pub/misc/rc5-56-freebsd > > Yeah, and have Amancio update his stats using *this* version. :-) > Running the correct client seems to cost the P6 folk about 20K > keys/sec, unfortunately. :( Are you saying the one on scnc is slower on your machine Jordan? Shoot, I'll have to check something -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 19:19:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24410 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-36.netcom.ca [207.181.94.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24404 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost.hub.org [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA00767; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:18:11 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:18:11 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Jake Hamby cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, ghelmer@cs.iastate.edu Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703030242.SAA01253@hamby1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Jake Hamby wrote: > Maybe this has to do with the patch in 2.7.2.1 to disable certain kinds of > strength reduction (-fstrength-reduce) because of buggy code generation. Recall > that this bug was why FreeBSD changed from using -O2 to -O optimization > (although some people used "-O2 -fno-strength-reduce). Here's a quote from I notice that 2.7.2.2 is available on prep...has anyone looked into that yet? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 19:21:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24580 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24571 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id WAA01255; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:20:53 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703030320.WAA01255@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:20:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 2, 97 09:17:05 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It would be awesome if you could see the performance of this > > "virtual machine" displayed in real-time on a web page. :) > > One of things we've done recently is encourage a more structured > description of your CPU and OS. If anyone out there has an entry at > http://www.vex.net/rsa/, please re-visit the page and edit your entry > to conform to the new format. Find your entry in the list (you can > now sort it on any of the fields), and click on the number to bring up > the edit screen. > > Once all the descriptions are converted over, it will be much > easier to extract statistics on just how badly non-UNIX clients are > doing, or how much of a contribution each OS is making to the team > effort. One thing Im curious about is what happens to the $1000 if vex wins? if we had a freebsd.org team at least freebsd would benefit.. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 19:23:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA24702 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24695 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id RAA11892; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:26:14 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703030326.RAA11892@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 2, 97 09:17:05 pm" To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:26:13 -1000 (HST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Once all the descriptions are converted over, it will be much >easier to extract statistics on just how badly non-UNIX clients are >doing, or how much of a contribution each OS is making to the team >effort. >-- >Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) Not that this means much without a working server. Any thoughts on with the clients might be able to talk to the server agian? (Think we could get a machine at CRLto run the server, say some well configured FreeBSD box with really good net connection???) I was very suprised to see how poorly even the newer SGI boxes were doing. Anyone know if the client were compiled with gcc or the more optimized SGI compiler? -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com (still trying to figure out how to convince the folks down the street with the 400 node SP2 to join.) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 19:49:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25811 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from r74h25.res.gatech.edu (ken@r74h25.res.gatech.edu [128.61.74.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25804 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by r74h25.res.gatech.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA11336; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199703030348.WAA11336@r74h25.res.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703022308.PAA07613@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 03:08:10 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:48:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: count@key.sms.fi, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio wrote... > Hmmm... careful there I don't think that you can overclock your 180Mhz > PPRo to 233mhz at least it will probably not work reliably . > Must admit it is kind of cool to be breathing down the dual 400mhz alpha > system 8) > > > Now we just have to hunt down a dual PPro 200mhz, convince the owner > to overclock it to 233Mhz and run the benchmark 8) I do have a dual P6-200 machine. I tried overclocking it this afternoon, but ran into a bit of a snag. I've got an ASUS P/I-P65UP5 with the C-P6ND CPU card. The manual, and the stuff on the ASUS web site only have the settings to set the CPU to 2.5x and 3.0x the bus speed. Does anyone know what the jumper settings are for the C-P6ND card to get it to go to 3.5x or 4.0x the bus speed? The manual says: JP13 JP14 JP15 JP16 mult. ---- ---- ---- ---- 1 0 1 1 2.5x 1 1 0 1 3.0x (for the settings, see: http://www.asus.com/products/techref/mb/p65up5-tech.stm for the full manual: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/Manual/pup5-142.pdf for the C-P6ND manual: ftp://ftp.asus.com.tw/pub/ASUS/Manual/cp6nd122.pdf or: ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/devices/asus/Manual/cp6nd122.pdf for the Technical reference: http://www.asus.com.tw/Products/TECHREF/P6/p65up5-p6nd/p65up5-p6nd.html ) From my experimentation: JP13 JP14 JP15 JP16 mult. speed notes ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- ----- 1 1 1 0 2.0x 133MHz (1) 0 1 1 1 ??? 80MHz (2) 1 1 1 1 2.0x 133MHz (1) 1 0 0 1 ? 225MHz (3) (1) Both times, the BIOS reported that the CPUs were running at 133MHz, doing performance test confirmed this. (2) The machine only came up once, and then very slowly. The BIOS reported 80MHz, and it didn't even get to the SCSI controller BIOS... (3) The BIOS reported 225MHz. I got as far as the SMP kernel boot, and the machine paniced towards the end of the kernel boot. Anyway, after 4 tries, I got sick of fiddling, and put the machine back to 200MHz. I looked at sysdoc.pair.com, and couldn't find anyone who has reported overclocking CPUs with the board I have. If anyone knows the jumper settings to get to 3.5x or 4.0x the bus speed, I'd appreciate it. Also, I assume everyone else is sort of 'spinning their wheels' as far as the RC5 contest goes. The stats page: http://zero.genx.net/bill/summary.html shows 0 hosts participating in the last 3 hours. It looks like they probably shut the server down. If someone had SYN-flooded it, *some* results would most likely get through. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@r74h25.res.gatech.edu Disclaimer: I don't speak for GTRI, GT, or Elvis. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 19:51:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25902 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25897 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12185; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:50:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703030350.TAA12185@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "David Langford" cc: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao), jkh@time.cdrom.com, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:26:13 -1000." <199703030326.RAA11892@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 19:50:43 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "David Langford" : > I was very suprised to see how poorly even the newer SGI boxes were doing. > Anyone know if the client were compiled with gcc or the more optimized > SGI compiler? Good question, given that SGI has about 100 people or so working in their compiler 8) I didn't hesitate to tell Bettina, my girlfriend, who works at SGI. Actually, the hold thing is sad because gcc can definitely use further optimizations and the Win95 and WindowsNT folks I don't know whats their story at all. Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 19:52:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25966 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-36.netcom.ca [207.181.94.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25956 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA01007; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:51:22 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:51:22 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Charles Henrich cc: Brian Tao , jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703030320.WAA01255@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > It would be awesome if you could see the performance of this > > > "virtual machine" displayed in real-time on a web page. :) > > > > One of things we've done recently is encourage a more structured > > description of your CPU and OS. If anyone out there has an entry at > > http://www.vex.net/rsa/, please re-visit the page and edit your entry > > to conform to the new format. Find your entry in the list (you can > > now sort it on any of the fields), and click on the number to bring up > > the edit screen. > > > > Once all the descriptions are converted over, it will be much > > easier to extract statistics on just how badly non-UNIX clients are > > doing, or how much of a contribution each OS is making to the team > > effort. > > One thing Im curious about is what happens to the $1000 if vex wins? if we had > a freebsd.org team at least freebsd would benefit.. > I heard that linuxnet.org is planning on putting the $1000 towards Linux development, anyone knows the validity of the rumor? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 20:09:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26999 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:09:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26991 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA03846; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:09:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:09:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703030409.VAA03846@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: Jake Hamby , henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, ghelmer@cs.iastate.edu Subject: new GCC 2.7.2 patch (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: References: <199703030242.SAA01253@hamby1> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I notice that 2.7.2.2 is available on prep...has anyone looked into > that yet? + + The reason for the 2.7.2.2 release is to add support for GNU C library + version 2 on GNU/Linux systems. It's a configuration name only patch, no actual code generation changes. Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 20:53:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA28916 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on1-03.netcom.ca [207.181.81.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28911 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA15831; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:53:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Charles Henrich cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703030320.WAA01255@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > One thing Im curious about is what happens to the $1000 if vex wins? > if we had a freebsd.org team at least freebsd would benefit.. Remember, it's RSA who awards the prize. It would be reasonable to say that genx.net will get the $10000 if their effort finds the key. If so, I read they will donate $9000 to charity, and $1000 to the winning host that found the key. I suppose it is then up to that person to spend the money as he or she sees fit. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 21:16:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29958 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-36.netcom.ca [207.181.94.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29952 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id BAA01530; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:16:13 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:16:13 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Brian Tao cc: Charles Henrich , jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > One thing Im curious about is what happens to the $1000 if vex wins? > > if we had a freebsd.org team at least freebsd would benefit.. > > Remember, it's RSA who awards the prize. It would be reasonable > to say that genx.net will get the $10000 if their effort finds the > key. If so, I read they will donate $9000 to charity, and $1000 to > the winning host that found the key. I suppose it is then up to that > person to spend the money as he or she sees fit. right, but that didn't quite answer the question...:) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 21:32:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00626 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00621 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12804 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:32:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703030532.VAA12804@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Are there any quad PPRo systems running FreeBSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 21:32:08 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just curious... Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 21:36:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00956 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00925 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA01766; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703030535.AAA01766@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:35:45 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 2, 97 11:53:01 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > One thing Im curious about is what happens to the $1000 if vex wins? > > if we had a freebsd.org team at least freebsd would benefit.. > > Remember, it's RSA who awards the prize. It would be reasonable > to say that genx.net will get the $10000 if their effort finds the > key. If so, I read they will donate $9000 to charity, and $1000 to > the winning host that found the key. I suppose it is then up to that > person to spend the money as he or she sees fit. Thats right. And genx has said that $1000 will go to the host, and $1000 to the winning team.. vex is the team, and what will vex do with it? See my point? It is more in FreeBSD's best interest to have its own team, if they win then the OS gets $1000 for development.. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 21:46:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA01453 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01447 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12902; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:46:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703030546.VAA12902@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Brian Tao , Charles Henrich , jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 01:16:13 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 21:46:34 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Who cares about $1000? If you want to make money create a business model, consulting services , build a product, etc.. If vex's group win , it will bring a lot of attention to FreeBSD and guess who they will have to deal with if people want to start using FreeBSD ? 8) Amancio >From The Desk Of The Hermit Hacker : > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > > > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > > > One thing Im curious about is what happens to the $1000 if vex wins? > > > if we had a freebsd.org team at least freebsd would benefit.. > > > > Remember, it's RSA who awards the prize. It would be reasonable > > to say that genx.net will get the $10000 if their effort finds the > > key. If so, I read they will donate $9000 to charity, and $1000 to > > the winning host that found the key. I suppose it is then up to that > > person to spend the money as he or she sees fit. > > right, but that didn't quite answer the question...:) > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 21:54:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA01813 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01803 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id AAA01840; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703030553.AAA01840@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:53:14 -0500 (EST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, taob@risc.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703030546.VAA12902@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 09:46:34 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Who cares about $1000? I'll take a $1000 :) > If vex's group win , it will bring a lot of attention to FreeBSD and > guess who they will have to deal with if people want to start using > FreeBSD ? 8) Nah, I doubt it will bring all that much attention to FreeBSD.. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 22:00:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02110 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02105 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13009; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:00:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703030600.WAA13009@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: scrappy@hub.org, taob@risc.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 00:53:14 EST." <199703030553.AAA01840@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:00:00 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Actually, I am thinking that *if* the team wins whether the attention will be good or bad . Besides, casually looking at http://www.vex.net/rsa shows how the FreeBSD systems stack up. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > Who cares about $1000? > > I'll take a $1000 :) > > > If vex's group win , it will bring a lot of attention to FreeBSD and > > guess who they will have to deal with if people want to start using > > FreeBSD ? 8) > > Nah, I doubt it will bring all that much attention to FreeBSD.. > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 22:04:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02367 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-36.netcom.ca [207.181.94.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02323 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id CAA01835; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 02:03:16 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 02:03:16 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Charles Henrich cc: Amancio Hasty , taob@risc.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703030553.AAA01840@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > Who cares about $1000? > > I'll take a $1000 :) > > > If vex's group win , it will bring a lot of attention to FreeBSD and > > guess who they will have to deal with if people want to start using > > FreeBSD ? 8) > > Nah, I doubt it will bring all that much attention to FreeBSD.. > I'd have to agree with Charles on that... As far as this whole thing is concerned, I'm more impressed with linuxnet.org's attempts...last I checked, they had over 4000 hosts working on the problem...and just the fact that it says 'linux' in the domain will give *alot* of exposure to Linux, even if not all the hosts are running Linux... We *really* should have an @freebsd.org entry, which would give us a helluva lot more attention. If we were to start up an @freebsd.org entry, with plugs to it from www.freebsd.org and with official endorsements... how many freebsd related hosts are out there? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 22:06:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02475 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-36.netcom.ca [207.181.94.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02467 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id CAA01865; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 02:05:51 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 02:05:51 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Amancio Hasty cc: Charles Henrich , taob@risc.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703030600.WAA13009@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Actually, I am thinking that *if* the team wins whether the attention > will be good or bad . Besides, casually looking at http://www.vex.net/rsa > shows how the FreeBSD systems stack up. > Ppl are going to look at the genx.net website for rankings...only team members are going to really look at vex.net/rsa to see what sort of computers are being used... I'm impressed with the stats coming out of linuxnet.org, but I'm not really interested enough to go look for their site and see what hosts are being run on it... > Cheers, > Amancio > > >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > Who cares about $1000? > > > > I'll take a $1000 :) > > > > > If vex's group win , it will bring a lot of attention to FreeBSD and > > > guess who they will have to deal with if people want to start using > > > FreeBSD ? 8) > > > > Nah, I doubt it will bring all that much attention to FreeBSD.. > > > > -Crh > > > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 22:27:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA03459 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03454 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13221; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:27:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703030627.WAA13221@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Charles Henrich cc: scrappy@hub.org, taob@risc.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 00:53:14 EST." <199703030553.AAA01840@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:27:01 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > Who cares about $1000? > > I'll take a $1000 :) I wouldn't ... Do we have a web page with a list of FreeBSD consultants along with with their expertise? Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 22:41:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA04461 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-36.netcom.ca [207.181.94.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04456 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id CAA02022; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 02:41:16 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 02:41:16 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Amancio Hasty cc: Charles Henrich , taob@risc.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703030627.WAA13221@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > Who cares about $1000? > > > > I'll take a $1000 :) > > I wouldn't ... > > Do we have a web page with a list of FreeBSD consultants along with > with their expertise? > You lost me on that tangent... I thought there was one off of www.freebsd.org though...but what does that have to do with the $1000? From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 2 22:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA04627 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04617 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13344; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:44:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703030644.WAA13344@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Charles Henrich , taob@risc.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 02:41:16 -0400." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:44:01 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Perhaps the need to have $1000 can be correlated by the ability or means to earn it 8) Regards, Amancio >From The Desk Of The Hermit Hacker : > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > >From The Desk Of Charles Henrich : > > > > Who cares about $1000? > > > > > > I'll take a $1000 :) > > > > I wouldn't ... > > > > Do we have a web page with a list of FreeBSD consultants along with > > with their expertise? > > > You lost me on that tangent... > > I thought there was one off of www.freebsd.org though...but > what does that have to do with the $1000? > > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 01:29:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16292 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from woger.shoal.net.au (root@woger.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16258 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by woger.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.3) id UAA20679; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:29:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:29:39 +1100 (EST) From: andrew To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge - what is it? In-Reply-To: <01BC280E.9A3BE140@monty-port13.shoal.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Having watched with considerable amusement over the past 24 hours the discussion about the 56-bit key challenge I am prompted to ask, what is it??? I've gathered it's some kind of code breaking competition but could anyone fill in a few of the details or give me a url to have a look at? Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 01:46:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA17418 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn (ns.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn [166.111.80.200]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16919; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from papillon.lemis.de (tandem.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn [166.111.80.4]) by ns.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA16740; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:40:57 -0600 From: grog@lemis.de Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.de (8.8.4/8.6.12) id QAA00922; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:14:07 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <199703030814.QAA00922@papillon.lemis.de> Subject: Any FreeBSD people in Beijing? To: chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Chat) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:14:07 +0800 (CST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD Questions) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-to: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~grog X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm currently in Beijing, and will be until the end of the week. If there are any FreeBSD people out here who are interested in getting together, contact me at Tsinghua University (phone 62782373) during the day, or at my hotel (phone 68492001, room 1819) in the evening. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 01:57:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA18562 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from woger.shoal.net.au (root@woger.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA18556 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 01:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by woger.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.3) id UAA20725; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:57:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:57:14 +1100 (EST) From: andrew To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RSA 56-bit what is it - don't worry In-Reply-To: <01BC2815.063E4620@monty-port13.shoal.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk bugger, i should look, THEN ask. found it, after I put my machine back together again i think i'll play too :-) On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Andrew Perry wrote: > Having watched with considerable amusement over the past 24 hours the > discussion about the 56-bit key challenge I am prompted to ask, what is it??? > > I've gathered it's some kind of code breaking competition but could > anyone fill in a few of the details or give me a url to have a look at? > > Andrew Perry > andrew@shoal.net.au > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 04:28:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA26641 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA26636 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA06592 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:28:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:28:07 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RSA secret challenge thingo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk anyone know if it's still working? all i've been getting for over 1/2 an hour is error getting key, sleeping 10 minutes. Are they having a problem or is there a lot of traffic or all of the above? Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 06:29:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03858 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-27.netcom.ca [207.181.94.91]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03850 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 06:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id KAA04174; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:29:18 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:29:18 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Andrew Perry cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA secret challenge thingo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Andrew Perry wrote: > anyone know if it's still working? all i've been getting for over 1/2 an > hour is error getting key, sleeping 10 minutes. Are they having a problem > or is there a lot of traffic or all of the above? > They are supposedly updating the server/clients due to a problem they've been having with SYN floods...supposed to be back up and running sometime "early this week"... From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 08:10:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09830 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on9-19.netcom.ca [207.181.83.83]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09808 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA16283; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:09:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:09:28 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Charles Henrich , jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > right, but that didn't quite answer the question...:) Well, as I said, it would be up to whoever got the prize money (e.g., the individual). If I get it, ummmm... how about a donate $500 to the FreeBSD Project, and use the other $500 to help pay for a nice RCSH steak dinner for the Toronto folks involved in the effort? ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 08:14:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10003 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on9-19.netcom.ca [207.181.83.83]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09988 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:13:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA16294; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:13:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:13:41 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Charles Henrich cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703030535.AAA01766@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > Thats right. And genx has said that $1000 will go to the host, and > $1000 to the winning team.. vex is the team, and what will vex do > with it? See my point? It is more in FreeBSD's best interest to > have its own team, if they win then the OS gets $1000 for > development.. Ah, I thought it was $9000 to charity, $1000 to the host. So we can either try to split the teams, and lose a lot of people in the process, or just propose that vex.net split the $1000 to FreeBSD and Linux or something. ;-) Or maybe make it proportional to the number of keys contributed by each free OS on the list. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 08:14:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10049 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10033 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:14:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id LAA03524; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703031614.LAA03524@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 3, 97 11:13:41 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Thats right. And genx has said that $1000 will go to the host, and > > $1000 to the winning team.. vex is the team, and what will vex do > > with it? See my point? It is more in FreeBSD's best interest to > > have its own team, if they win then the OS gets $1000 for > > development.. > > Ah, I thought it was $9000 to charity, $1000 to the host. So we I'll go back and reread the pages, maybe im hallucinating. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 08:16:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10210 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on9-19.netcom.ca [207.181.83.83]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA10203 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA16302; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:15:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Charles Henrich cc: Amancio Hasty , scrappy@hub.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703030553.AAA01840@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > Nah, I doubt it will bring all that much attention to FreeBSD.. I dunno... if we do happen to find the winning key, or secure the top spot (even if we don't find it), one quick look at the machines that made the most contribution will make the point clear. The list is top-heavy with FreeBSD boxes. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 09:04:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14026 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-27.netcom.ca [207.181.94.91]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14019 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA04891; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:04:25 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:04:25 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: chat@freebsd.org cc: rsacrack@vex.net Subject: [RSACRACK] Chance to increase the team... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If anyone can write eloquently and has the time to write something up quickly (ie. it can get to me sometime tonight), a friend of mine runs a 8000+ mailing list and is willing to put out a notice concerning the effort... --------- If you are interested, I would be willing to include a bulletin in this weeks NetNotify about the contest, and your "team" in specific. Considering the number of people that are reading NetNotify, it could be a great way for ya to build the size of your team :-) IF you want me to include the bulletin, send me a brief paragraph (up to 150 words MAX) that describes the contest and gives a reason why someone would want to join up.Make the bulletin reasonably interesting ;-) Also, provide me with the contact info that can be included with the bulletin for folks that are interested: Contact name: Contact email: Web URL: From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 10:42:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20031 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20022 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from wawasee.read.indiana.edu (wawasee.read.indiana.edu [149.159.108.2]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA26281 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ghormann@localhost) by wawasee.read.indiana.edu (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA22992; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:38:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: wawasee.read.indiana.edu: ghormann owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:38:31 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory James Hormann X-Sender: ghormann@wawasee.read.indiana.edu To: rsacrack@vex.net cc: chat@freebsd.org, James Riffle Subject: RSA: Old Client working. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I left my old client running over night (although for at least 12 hours, it couldn't create a connection with zero.genx.net). Anyway, this morning it took off again, and appears to be working!!! Anybody else having any luck? Vex.net is number three now (for that last hour) :) Greg. ______________________________________________________________________________ Greg Hormann | | | ghormann@indiana.edu | | | http://php.ucs.indiana.edu/~ghormann/home.html |. \____/. ______________________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMxsaqqLNRJrnJUqZAQEG2AMAqlh+VTmlaPRH+pPt5DOhtUbAeEATEjda sXzjrGtvWhvqO9B+MAM7MDZBSDfg3hmZLuItGGRnJIMCh1VWWBbWPJzQ6W0oGrTM y8OuBx6RdLJT7Db68IXYcnIjTAzqVfTK =CGQR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 11:39:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23197 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23192 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:39:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05645; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:38:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Amancio Hasty cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Are there any quad PPRo systems running FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199703030532.VAA12804@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Just curious... How many CPU's does 3.0-SMP support? If we did have a quad PPro200 system, it would beat the very large and very expensive 15-CPU IBM SP2 server currently at the top of the list. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 11:44:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23449 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23444 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:44:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06710; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:43:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703031943.LAA06710@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Gregory James Hormann cc: rsacrack@vex.net, chat@freebsd.org, James Riffle Subject: Re: RSA: Old Client working. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 13:38:31 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:43:34 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mine took off also... I noticed that we are currently generating about 15Mkeys/sec with 116 active hosts . The second spot is generating about 32Mkeys/sec with 300 hosts . So if more people join in we can easily capture the second spot 8) Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Gregory James Hormann : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > I left my old client running over night (although for at least 12 hours, > it couldn't create a connection with zero.genx.net). Anyway, this morning > it took off again, and appears to be working!!! > > Anybody else having any luck? > > Vex.net is number three now (for that last hour) :) > > Greg. > > _____________________________________________________________________________ _ > Greg Hormann | | | > ghormann@indiana.edu | | | > http://php.ucs.indiana.edu/~ghormann/home.html |. \____/. > _____________________________________________________________________________ _ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQB1AwUBMxsaqqLNRJrnJUqZAQEG2AMAqlh+VTmlaPRH+pPt5DOhtUbAeEATEjda > sXzjrGtvWhvqO9B+MAM7MDZBSDfg3hmZLuItGGRnJIMCh1VWWBbWPJzQ6W0oGrTM > y8OuBx6RdLJT7Db68IXYcnIjTAzqVfTK > =CGQR > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 11:44:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23491 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23480 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05652; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:44:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Andrew Perry cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA secret challenge thingo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Andrew Perry wrote: > > anyone know if it's still working? all i've been getting for over > 1/2 an hour is error getting key, sleeping 10 minutes. Are they > having a problem or is there a lot of traffic or all of the above? It seems to be working once again, as of Monday morning along the east coast of North America. rsacrack@vex.net is currently holding down the #3 spot in terms of "rate" of keys cracked ("rate" based on a granularity of 20 minutes). -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 12:07:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24387 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24382 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05702; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:06:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: The Hermit Hacker cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, rsacrack@vex.net Subject: Re: [RSACRACK] Chance to increase the team... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Also, provide me with the contact info that can be included with > the bulletin for folks that are interested: > > Contact name: > Contact email: I vote for putting down "RC5 Crack Team @ Vex.Net" and rsacrack@vex.net for the above two, rather than trying to elect one individual to be the contact. > Web URL: http://www.vex.net/rsa/ of course. :) What do you all think of this? "Our team is a worldwide community of people interested in a common goal: to meet the challenge of breaking RSA's 56-bit crypto key. In cooperation with New Media Laboratories (http://www.genx.net/), we invite anyone with a net-connected computer to join our effort. No computer is too small, and no contribution will go unnoticed. We wish to demonstrate in no uncertain terms the power of the Internet when united towards a common goal. Please visit http://www.vex.net/rsa/ for our team's progress and for information on subscribing to our mailing list." -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 12:13:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24694 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24687 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id PAA04557 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:12:55 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703032012.PAA04557@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:12:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 12:44:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26589 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from narcissus.ml.org (root@brosenga.Pitzer.edu [134.173.120.201]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26579 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by narcissus.ml.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00528; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:44:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:44:48 -0800 (PST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703032012.PAA04557@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have > a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over > an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org > team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. I'd do it. My machine is #9 on the rsacrack list. > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 13:21:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28436 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-23.netcom.ca [207.181.94.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28429 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA06356; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:21:09 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:21:09 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Brian Tao cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, rsacrack@vex.net Subject: Re: [RSACRACK] Chance to increase the team... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Brian Tao wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > Also, provide me with the contact info that can be included with > > the bulletin for folks that are interested: > > > > Contact name: > > Contact email: > > I vote for putting down "RC5 Crack Team @ Vex.Net" and > rsacrack@vex.net for the above two, rather than trying to elect one > individual to be the contact. > Sounds good to me... > > Web URL: > > http://www.vex.net/rsa/ of course. :) > > What do you all think of this? > > "Our team is a worldwide community of people interested in a common > goal: to meet the challenge of breaking RSA's 56-bit crypto key. In > cooperation with New Media Laboratories (http://www.genx.net/), we > invite anyone with a net-connected computer to join our effort. No > computer is too small, and no contribution will go unnoticed. We wish > to demonstrate in no uncertain terms the power of the Internet when > united towards a common goal. Please visit http://www.vex.net/rsa/ > for our team's progress and for information on subscribing to our > mailing list." Erk, wouldn't draw me into the fray, I'm afraid... More of a description of what we are trying to accomplish (ie. prove that a 56bit encryption key isn't as secure as it once was?), and what's at stake (a $10k award, with $9k going to charity and the other $1k going...?) and a pointer to http://www.vex.net/rsa for details on how to join the effort? The list targets, primarily, professionals, not hackers. You know, those ppl that the FreeOSs have a really hard time selling to in the first place? :) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 13:23:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28513 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28506 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29620 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:22:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:22:35 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703032012.PAA04557@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk count me in! Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have > a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over > an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org > team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 13:28:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28728 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-23.netcom.ca [207.181.94.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28675 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA06397; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:27:49 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:27:49 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703032012.PAA04557@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have > a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over > an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org > team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. > I think that about the only way that a freebsd.org team would make much of a dent is if it were officially endorsed by the core team, *and* something similar to what the vex.net site has done as far as instructions as well as monitoring... Then we'd be ready for all 12 contests...maybe start preparing for the next contest now, while keeping on supporting vex.net for this one, since we already all there *anyway*... From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 13:33:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA29083 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29078 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA05177; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:33:22 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703032133.QAA05177@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:33:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 3, 97 05:27:49 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think that about the only way that a freebsd.org team would make > much of a dent is if it were officially endorsed by the core team, *and* > something similar to what the vex.net site has done as far as instructions > as well as monitoring... Well I was hoping the core would officially endorse it, and if you'll note a large number of the large sites are made of up FreeBSD folk anywho, who presumably would switch. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 13:48:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00423 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00417 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:48:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06157; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:47:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:47:52 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: The Hermit Hacker cc: chat@FreeBSD.org, rsacrack@vex.net Subject: Re: [RSACRACK] Chance to increase the team... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > The list targets, primarily, professionals, not hackers. You know, > those ppl that the FreeOSs have a really hard time selling to in the > first place? :) Oh, you mean suits and squids? Well why didn't you *say* so? :) "Toronto-based Vex Corporation is pleased to announce the formation of their strategic alliance with New Media Laboratories of New York, NY. Vex strives to forge numerous partnerships under the umbrella of the RC5 Cryptography Cracking Group in order to meet the data security secret-key challenge offered by RSA Laboratories of Redwood City, CA. The group is tasked to demonstrate compelling evidence that current U.S. government export policies on cryptographic software are too restrictive, and that the ability to leverage stronger encryption into non-U.S. companies is of paramount importance. More information on the alliance can be found at http://www.vex.net/rsa/." Is that better? Do we need any sound bites from CEO's of mentioned companies, and perhaps a stock ticker symbol or two? :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 13:50:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00529 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00502 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:49:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA05472; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703032149.QAA05472@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: [RSA] [RSACRACK] Chance to increase the team... To: taob@nbc.netcom.ca (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:49:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, chat@FreeBSD.org, rsacrack@vex.net In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 3, 97 04:47:52 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > "Toronto-based Vex Corporation is pleased to announce the formation of > their strategic alliance with New Media Laboratories of New York, NY. > Vex strives to forge numerous partnerships under the umbrella of the > RC5 Cryptography Cracking Group in order to meet the data security > secret-key challenge offered by RSA Laboratories of Redwood City, CA. > The group is tasked to demonstrate compelling evidence that current > U.S. government export policies on cryptographic software are too > restrictive, and that the ability to leverage stronger encryption into > non-U.S. companies is of paramount importance. More information on > the alliance can be found at http://www.vex.net/rsa/." > Damn your good! -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 14:03:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01394 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01377 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:02:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA07732; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:32:32 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703032202.IAA07732@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Are there any quad PPRo systems running FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 3, 97 02:38:53 pm" To: taob@nbc.netcom.ca (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:32:32 +1030 (CST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > Just curious... > > How many CPU's does 3.0-SMP support? If we did have a quad > PPro200 system, it would beat the very large and very expensive 15-CPU > IBM SP2 server currently at the top of the list. :) Carl would probably just increase the number of beers he's offered his boss this weekend and get authorisation for another 15 CPUs 8) > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 14:31:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02732 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA02726 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA25501 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:30:45 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id XAA29855 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:30:22 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id XAA10428; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:00:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19970303230023.39982@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:00:23 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RSA secret challenge thingo References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64/1-3,6,8,10-17 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm\#2999 Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Brian Tao: > It seems to be working once again, as of Monday morning along the > east coast of North America. rsacrack@vex.net is currently holding > down the #3 spot in terms of "rate" of keys cracked ("rate" based on a > granularity of 20 minutes). I just added two new machines, a P133 and an ALpha running Linux. I'm disappointed by the Alpha (57K) but it is probably due to gcc and my recompilation of the client. Pity there's no Linux/Alpha client. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #39: Sun Feb 2 22:12:44 CET 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 14:33:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02931 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca (smtp1.yt.sympatico.ca [204.101.251.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02921 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from X2296 (ppp1596.on.sympatico.ca [206.172.249.60]) by smtp1.sympatico.ca (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA11935; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:32:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:32:27 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: ac199@freenet.hamilton.on.ca To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703032012.PAA04557@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2 X-Mailer: Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have > a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over > an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org > team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. I suspect ultimately, whatever fame is to be had will go to the operating system of the individual host that cracked the code, not the team. "And, while large servers tried failed to crack the RSA lab's secret code, the computer that finally did was a simple pentium, such as can be found in many homes." -- tIM...HOEk Who's been messing with my anti-paranoi shot?! From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 15:06:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04713 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04707 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02826; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:06:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:06:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Andrew Perry cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Andrew Perry wrote: > > count me in! > > Andrew Perry > andrew@shoal.net.au > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have > > a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over > > an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org > > team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. My only hesitation at agreeing is that that will invite comparisons between list positions, and I think it will be a very long time before we could match linux@linuxnet.org (currently at 67.55 Mkeys/sec). Now, if such a group is formed, I'll go for it, bringing 2 (soon to be 3) PPro/166s, and a few other Pentiums in the 90-133 range (provided I can get them through the firewall with the UDP based client). From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 15:57:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07423 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (gadget.nla.gov.au [203.4.201.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07416 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cmakin@localhost) by gadget.nla.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08426; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:56:22 +1100 (AEST) X-Authentication-Warning: gadget.nla.gov.au: cmakin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:56:20 +1000 (EST) From: Carl Makin To: Michael Smith cc: Brian Tao , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rsacrack@vex.net Subject: Re: Are there any quad PPRo systems running FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199703032202.IAA07732@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Michael Smith wrote: > Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > > PPro200 system, it would beat the very large and very expensive 15-CPU > > IBM SP2 server currently at the top of the list. :) > Carl would probably just increase the number of beers he's offered his > boss this weekend and get authorisation for another 15 CPUs 8) It's only got 20 CPUs total! Only 1 node is doing any productive work at the moment due to a project being cancelled. 2 other nodes are dedicated to backups and being a NFS file server and it's unwise to load node 1 as if it is heavily loaded it can affect the High Performance Switch. There was one node unused so I just started the client on there too. We now have 16 nodes running the client. Rough total is now 1364800 Keys/Sec. While the managers work out what to do with the machine it's mostly idle and available for this sorta thing. Carl. -- Carl Makin (VK1KCM) C.Makin@nla.gov.au 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" 'If you want to make your spouse pay attention to what you say... Talk in your sleep!' From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 16:10:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08249 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08237 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dolphin.inna.net (jamie@dolphin.inna.net [206.151.66.2]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28022; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:14:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:10:40 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Andrew Perry cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have yet to join this effort, but if freebsd.org starts it's own team, I will devote some spare processor time to it. On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Andrew Perry wrote: > > count me in! > > Andrew Perry > andrew@shoal.net.au > > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > > The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have > > a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over > > an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org > > team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. > > > > -Crh > > > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > > > > Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 16:17:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08493 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08488 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA08678; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:46:18 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703040016.KAA08678@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Are there any quad PPRo systems running FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: from Carl Makin at "Mar 4, 97 09:56:20 am" To: cmakin@nla.gov.au (Carl Makin) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:46:18 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, taob@nbc.netcom.ca, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rsacrack@vex.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Carl Makin stands accused of saying: > > > Carl would probably just increase the number of beers he's offered his > > boss this weekend and get authorisation for another 15 CPUs 8) > > It's only got 20 CPUs total! Only 1 node is doing any productive work at Ah well, you need to invest more of the pizza fund in upgrading it 8) There's a totally idle CM5 at the university just down the road, but I don't rate my chances of coopting it as very high 8( I think that the individual responsible for purchasing it just wanted more LEDs than anyone else on the floor. (only 1/2 8) > While the managers work out what to do with the machine it's mostly idle > and available for this sorta thing. You could talk to someone like Poul about cross-compiling the FreeBSD kernel - I would imagine that you could put together a pretty evil kernel-by-mail service there 8) > Carl Makin (VK1KCM) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 16:52:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12457 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gadget.nla.gov.au (cmakin@gadget.nla.gov.au [203.4.201.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12451 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (cmakin@localhost) by gadget.nla.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09011; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:52:21 +1100 (AEST) X-Authentication-Warning: gadget.nla.gov.au: cmakin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:52:19 +1000 (EST) From: Carl Makin To: rsacrack@vex.net cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Boring CPU Utilisation screen shots! In-Reply-To: <199703040016.KAA08678@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've put up a somewhat boring screen shot from the IBM performance Toolkit monitoring program showing 17 SP2 CPU's at full tilt. :) It's at http://gadget.nla.gov.au/rsa/sp2working.jpg It's mildly amusing watching the CPU utilisation sit at 99% for an hour and then drop to 1% for a couple of minutes before climbing back up. :) Carl. -- Carl Makin (VK1KCM) C.Makin@nla.gov.au 'Work +61 6 262 1576' "Speaking for myself only!" 'If you want to make your spouse pay attention to what you say... Talk in your sleep!' From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 17:18:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14106 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14101 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA00544 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:18:20 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703040118.UAA00544@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:18:08 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199703030304.TAA11433@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 2, 97 07:04:11 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, the old gcc on FreeBSD-1.0 turns out that it runs a little slower > than the one that I have on my FreeBSD-3.0 system. > > I can't seem to crack 397k so at this stage I would say that someone > has to analyze the output of the compiler to optimized the client further . > > Maybe if I overclock my PPro to 250MHz and clock my bus at 60MHz ... Well I gave in and told my Micron to blast its BIOS in favor of the current intel BIOS, and then snarfed your binary.. This has gotten me up to 396680 (back on top! :) but I cant get it to break 397k. I was hoping the new bios would give me finer grain control over memory timings -- no such luck, but it does let me put my face on the boot screen, so its worth something :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 17:23:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14335 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14330 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id UAA00592; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:23:42 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703040123.UAA00592@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:23:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703040121.RAA10012@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Mar 3, 97 05:21:50 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I see that the "Eye" is popping in unusual places 8) ;) Ayup! :) > Yeah, it bugs that we can't seem to break the 400k barrier , argh... Damn annoying. Although genx claims the next client is much faster on intel and alpha platforms, so we should be able to vault over it, if they are correct. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 18:05:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16210 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on2-01.netcom.ca [207.181.81.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16205 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA16574; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:05:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:05:17 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Charles Henrich cc: Amancio Hasty , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703040123.UAA00592@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > Damn annoying. Although genx claims the next client is much faster > on intel and alpha platforms, so we should be able to vault over it, > if they are correct. The 233-MHz PPro running FreeBSD is still easily the fastest individual CPU on the list though. Now all we need is someone to run 3.0-SMP on a 8-node PPro233 system to blow away that E6000 you just added to the list. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 18:16:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16908 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16903 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:16:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA00986; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:16:34 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703040216.VAA00986@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:16:34 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 3, 97 09:05:17 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Damn annoying. Although genx claims the next client is much faster > > on intel and alpha platforms, so we should be able to vault over it, > > if they are correct. > > The 233-MHz PPro running FreeBSD is still easily the fastest > individual CPU on the list though. Now all we need is someone to run > 3.0-SMP on a 8-node PPro233 system to blow away that E6000 you just > added to the list. :) I could add 3 more processors actually, but I gotta leave some open. Unfortunatly I probably will not be able to leave the code running for a long period of time, but I wanted to be at the top for a few hours anyway :) I also wanted to see if I could move vex up a notch. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 20:04:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21190 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@[205.233.216.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21185 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA16689; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:01:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:01:53 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Charles Henrich cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703040216.VAA00986@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > > Unfortunatly I probably will not be able to leave the code running > for a long period of time, but I wanted to be at the top for a few > hours anyway :) What is the machine normally used for? If it is allowable, setting up a cron job to start a bunch of clients after work hours and killing it before the day starts again would still be a great help. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 20:35:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22359 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nyx.pr.mcs.net (nyx.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22352 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nyx.pr.mcs.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyx.pr.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA01099; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:34:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703040434.WAA01099@nyx.pr.mcs.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Brian Tao cc: Charles Henrich , hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 03 Mar 1997 23:01:53 -0500. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:34:25 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: >> >> Unfortunatly I probably will not be able to leave the code running >> for a long period of time, but I wanted to be at the top for a few >> hours anyway :) > > What is the machine normally used for? If it is allowable, >setting up a cron job to start a bunch of clients after work hours and >killing it before the day starts again would still be a great help. No, no, no. What you want to do is to start the client on the idle queue... then you can utilize every last unused cycle. :) I think that the idle procs are also on that queue, so it might not be such a good idea for FreeBSD-SMP right now. man idprio -Chris Csanady >-- >Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) >"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 20:53:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23218 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23210 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA00510; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:53:22 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703040453.XAA00510@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) To: taob@risc.org (Brian Tao) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:53:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Brian Tao at "Mar 3, 97 11:01:53 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Unfortunatly I probably will not be able to leave the code running > > for a long period of time, but I wanted to be at the top for a few > > hours anyway :) > > What is the machine normally used for? If it is allowable, > setting up a cron job to start a bunch of clients after work hours and > killing it before the day starts again would still be a great help. Its a scientific compute engine... :) It just didnt have any jobs at the moment so I took the space until someone submits another :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 21:15:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24183 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24178 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00718 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:15:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703040515.VAA00718@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: An easier performance challenge 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 21:15:32 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --- "H.W. Stockman" wrote: Amancio Hasty wrote: > > The benchmark took 14:16.58 to execute. > > START::::::: ./lb 03/03/1997 18:02:02 :::::::START > START::::::: ./lb 03/03/1997 18:02:56 :::::::START > START::::::: ./lb 03/03/1997 18:12:52 :::::::START > START::::::: ./lb 03/03/1997 18:13:32 :::::::START > START::::::: ./lb 03/03/1997 18:14:23 :::::::START > START::::::: ./lb 03/03/1997 18:19:39 :::::::START > START::::::: ./lb 03/03/1997 18:24:25 :::::::START > ========./lb 03/03/1997 18:38:40 ======== > STEP=600, NCOL=3100, NROW=48, xBody=0.000100, yBody=0.000000 > Tau[0]=0.600000 Tau[1]=0.510000 > Ux= 0.049030, Uy=-0.000193, xFlux= 0.000000, yFlux= 0.000000 > > Off to see how we stack up 8) The fastest VC++ time under Win95 is about 7 minutes, 10 seconds-- my guess is you are using gcc?? ---- We need a PPro 200Mhz and compile lb.c with pgcc. Run the benchmark: ./lb It takes a while like 7 to 14 minutes. I don't have pgcc over here however I am sure that someone out there does. ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/lb.c Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 21:17:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24289 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@[205.233.216.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24284 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA16762; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:15:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:15:17 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Chris Csanady cc: Charles Henrich , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <199703040434.WAA01099@nyx.pr.mcs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Chris Csanady wrote: > > No, no, no. What you want to do is to start the client on the idle > queue... then you can utilize every last unused cycle. :) I think > that the idle procs are also on that queue, so it might not be such > a good idea for FreeBSD-SMP right now. > > man idprio I was not aware that FreeBSD SMP ran in a Sun UltraSPARC-based Enterprise 6000 server. That's what we're talking about. ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 22:58:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00908 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00903 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA21060; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:57:53 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Henrich cc: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker), freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 16:33:22 EST." <199703032133.QAA05177@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:57:53 -0800 Message-ID: <21056.857458673@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well I was hoping the core would officially endorse it, and if you'll note a > large number of the large sites are made of up FreeBSD folk anywho, who > presumably would switch. I'd certainly be willing to support it myself, and champion it in core. Someone would have to take on the organizational role that the folks at vex.net currently perform now, however, and most core members are also too busy to take on new stuff. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 23:08:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA01597 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-37.netcom.ca [207.181.94.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01589 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id DAA18953; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 03:08:04 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 03:08:04 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <21056.857458673@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Well I was hoping the core would officially endorse it, and if you'll note a > > large number of the large sites are made of up FreeBSD folk anywho, who > > presumably would switch. > > I'd certainly be willing to support it myself, and champion it in > core. Someone would have to take on the organizational role that the > folks at vex.net currently perform now, however, and most core members > are also too busy to take on new stuff. > IMHO, its too late for this one...we've got a nice momentum going working with the folks at vex.net, and I think it would undermine the effort if we effectively pulled out more then half(?) the horsepower that we have now... Someone mentioned that there are 12 of these sorts of challenges planned? If so, we should be looking at planning for the next one so that when Day 1 comes around, we're ready to put all our efforts into it. Who was it that mentioned that there was several of these planned? Is there any sort of scheduale to it? From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 23:22:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA02408 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hamby1 (hamby1.lightside.net [207.67.176.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA02403 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jehamby@localhost) by hamby1 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA00817; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:23:06 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:23:06 -0800 From: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Message-Id: <199703040723.XAA00817@hamby1> To: julian@whistle.com, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: News: CNET announces InterJet as a Finalist for Internet Excellence awards] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: kdikPMb7wmrrjxfyfJeXow== Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [moved to chat] Julian Elischer writes: > The FreeBSD based interjet is getting some coverage.. > see the attached article under "best server hardware" > > > if we can make this a success we'll have some leverage with software > manufactureres to port server software to freebsd.. Well, if the InterJet doesn't allow shell logins, how are the users going to install the server software? This is my one (and only) complaint with the InterJet, that it tries to shield the users from UNIX to the extent that it's not CAPABLE of adding in functionality like CGI scripts. For basic use, however, I'll agree that it's way cool for using FreeBSD. I remember reading a Linux Journal a long time ago (back when I thought Linux was cool :), that a company had designed an X-Terminal that was really a 486 (in a slim case) running Linux. I remember thinking that it must be kind of awkward having to distribute all that GNU copylefted source code to the people buying the X terminal that almost certainly didn't want it. But let's not get into the BSD vs. GNU discussion, okay? Sorry I brought it up... What I think is going to win is stuff that sucks but has good marketing, namely: ---------------------------- Best Web design tool: * NetObjects Fusion 2.0 Best Internet development tool: * Microsoft Visual J++ 1.0 (how did Visual Basic get on that list anyway!?) Best Internet server software: * Lotus Domino 1.5 Best Internet server hardware : * Sun Microsystems Ultra Enterprise 2 (doesn't properly suck, but is far too expensive for small sites) Best Internet hardware : * Philips WebTV Best browsers or enhancements : * Netscape Constellation Best Internet application: * Corel Office for Java What I think deserves to win: ----------------------------- Best Web design tool: NONE of them, they all suck (code HTML 3.2 by hand!) Best Internet development tool: * Symantec Visual Cafe Pro (too bad it's only for Windows/Mac) (personally I just use the JDK on UNIX :) Best Internet server software: NONE, they all suck, use Apache :) Best Internet server hardware : * Whistle Communications InterJet 100 (whoohoo, FreeBSD!) Best browsers or enhancements : NONE, we should go back to Netscape 2.02 :) Best Internet application: * Marimba Castanet 1.0 (whoohoo, excellent technology, and I might add, Kim Polese ought to win Person of the Year :) -- Jake From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 3 23:28:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA02864 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:28:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02859 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01958; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:27:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703040727.XAA01958@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Henrich , scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker), freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 22:57:53 PST." <21056.857458673@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 23:27:57 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > Well I was hoping the core would officially endorse it, and if you'll note a > > large number of the large sites are made of up FreeBSD folk anywho, who > > presumably would switch. > > I'd certainly be willing to support it myself, and champion it in > core. Someone would have to take on the organizational role that the > folks at vex.net currently perform now, however, and most core members > are also too busy to take on new stuff. > > Jordan You know this is the sort of stuff that is great for vex.net for exactly the above reasons . The core team or active developers are busy. Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 00:05:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA04802 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from atena.eurocontrol.fr (atena.uneec.eurocontrol.fr [147.196.69.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA04773 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:05:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by atena.eurocontrol.fr; (5.65v3.2/1.3/10May95) id AA15871; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:05:02 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr (8.8.5/caerdonn-1.1) id JAA02177; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:05:01 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <19970304090501.51551@caerdonn.eurocontrol.fr> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:05:01 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: Amancio Hasty Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) References: <199703022214.OAA07053@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.62-1-4,6-11 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <199703022214.OAA07053@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Sun, Mar 02, 1997 at 02:14:25PM -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Amancio Hasty: > ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/rc5-56-client.gz Has anyone manage to use SSH with port forwarding and a recompiled client to use localhost:2056 instead ? I'd donate a 304K/s PPro/180 FreeBSD 3.0 machine to the contest if one can make it work... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- Eurocontrol EEC/TS -=- Ollivier.Robert@eurocontrol.fr Usenet Canal Historique From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 00:59:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA07701 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA07686 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03579 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:59:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:59:18 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Well I was hoping the core would officially endorse it, and if you'll note a > > > large number of the large sites are made of up FreeBSD folk anywho, who > > > presumably would switch. > > > > I'd certainly be willing to support it myself, and champion it in > > core. Someone would have to take on the organizational role that the > > folks at vex.net currently perform now, however, and most core members > > are also too busy to take on new stuff. > > > > IMHO, its too late for this one...we've got a nice momentum going > working with the folks at vex.net, and I think it would undermine the > effort if we effectively pulled out more then half(?) the horsepower > that we have now... > > Someone mentioned that there are 12 of these sorts of challenges > planned? If so, we should be looking at planning for the next one so > that when Day 1 comes around, we're ready to put all our efforts into it. > > Who was it that mentioned that there was several of these planned? > Is there any sort of scheduale to it? > > I agree, don't chop and change now, let's stick it out to the end, and then make a FreeBSD team for the next one. having said that though i would change if FreeBSD created their own team even at this late stage. just my 2 bobs worth andrew perry andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 07:10:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25638 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25630 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA02794; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:10:02 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703041510.KAA02794@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:10:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <21056.857458673@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 3, 97 10:57:53 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Well I was hoping the core would officially endorse it, and if you'll note a > > large number of the large sites are made of up FreeBSD folk anywho, who > > presumably would switch. > > I'd certainly be willing to support it myself, and champion it in > core. Someone would have to take on the organizational role that the > folks at vex.net currently perform now, however, and most core members > are also too busy to take on new stuff. Well I could easily put together a set of web pages like at vex, I'll do this if we expect this to happen.. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 07:10:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25666 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25653 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA02781; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:09:30 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703041509.KAA02781@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:09:30 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 4, 97 03:08:04 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Someone mentioned that there are 12 of these sorts of challenges > planned? If so, we should be looking at planning for the next one so > that when Day 1 comes around, we're ready to put all our efforts into it. Its on RSA's web page, they have these contests planned all the way up to 128bits. The first two are done, in the middle of the 3rd (56bit) > Who was it that mentioned that there was several of these planned? > Is there any sort of scheduale to it? I didnt see a schedule, it looked like starting a couple months back all were active. -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 07:26:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA26389 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-37.netcom.ca [207.181.94.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26384 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA21570; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:26:34 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:26:34 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Charles Henrich cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703041510.KAA02794@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Charles Henrich wrote: > >> Well I was hoping the core would officially endorse it, and if you'll note a > > > large number of the large sites are made of up FreeBSD folk anywho, who > > > presumably would switch. > > > > I'd certainly be willing to support it myself, and champion it in > > core. Someone would have to take on the organizational role that the > > folks at vex.net currently perform now, however, and most core members > > are also too busy to take on new stuff. > > Well I could easily put together a set of web pages like at vex, I'll do this > if we expect this to happen.. > Well, if we have another 9 of these to do *after* the 56byte one, I'd saw start building now, get appropriate announcements out about what is going on, maybe get an appropriate rsacrack@freebsd.org mailing list setup so that we can keep abreast of when the next one starts, get some sort of mention put up on the FreeBSD WWW pages... I only found out about this a few days into it, and then, only because Brian happened to post something here abuot it...*shrug* I don't know how many FreeBSD related hosts we have out there now, but i imagine there is enough out there that we could give linuxorg.net a good run for their money, no? From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 07:43:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA27089 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27084 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA02997; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:43:08 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703041543.KAA02997@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:43:08 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 4, 97 11:26:34 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I only found out about this a few days into it, and then, only because > Brian happened to post something here abuot it...*shrug* I don't know how > many FreeBSD related hosts we have out there now, but i imagine there is > enough out there that we could give linuxorg.net a good run for their > money, no? > Perhaps, I just want to be second with a 1/5th the number of hosts of linux :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 07:44:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA27168 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27152 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id KAA03026; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:44:11 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703041544.KAA03026@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:44:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "Mar 4, 97 11:26:34 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > going on, maybe get an appropriate rsacrack@freebsd.org mailing list setup Maybe it should be keymaster@freebsd.org :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 09:18:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01399 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from watson.grauel.com (watson.grauel.com [199.233.104.36]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01394 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sparcmill.grauel.com (sparcmill.grauel.com [199.233.104.34]) by watson.grauel.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07648; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by sparcmill.grauel.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA15287; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:17:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:17:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199703041717.MAA15287@sparcmill.grauel.com> From: Richard J Kuhns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Charles Henrich CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703041544.KAA03026@crh.cl.msu.edu> References: <199703041544.KAA03026@crh.cl.msu.edu> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Charles Henrich writes: > > going on, maybe get an appropriate rsacrack@freebsd.org mailing list setup > > Maybe it should be keymaster@freebsd.org :) > > -Crh > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > Are you the gatekeeper? -- Richard Kuhns rjk@grauel.com PO Box 6249 Tel: (317)477-6000 \ 100 Sawmill Road x319 Lafayette, IN 47903 (800)489-4891 / From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 09:46:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02943 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02915; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199703041746.JAA02915@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:46:13 -0800 (PST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703041544.KAA03026@crh.cl.msu.edu> from "Charles Henrich" at Mar 4, 97 10:44:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Charles Henrich wrote: > > > going on, maybe get an appropriate rsacrack@freebsd.org mailing list setup > > Maybe it should be keymaster@freebsd.org :) keymaster alias is the easy part :) we cant compete with Linux or Debian (well maybe) on number of hosts or aggregate keys/sec. SO, we need web pages that indicate keys/sec/*host* for each team. that is a competition that we can win ;) jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 09:47:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03000 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (hal-ns1-37.netcom.ca [207.181.94.101]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02991 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from thelab.hub.org (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA22203; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:47:09 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:47:09 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Richard J Kuhns cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703041717.MAA15287@sparcmill.grauel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Richard J Kuhns wrote: > Charles Henrich writes: > > > going on, maybe get an appropriate rsacrack@freebsd.org mailing list setup > > > > Maybe it should be keymaster@freebsd.org :) > > > > -Crh > > > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > > > Are you the gatekeeper? Someone *had* to say it, didn't they? You just *had* to be the one to valid it, eh? *groan* *grin* From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 10:01:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03741 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03730 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA07546; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:00:40 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703041800.NAA07546@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: rjk@sparcmill.grauel.com (Richard J Kuhns) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:00:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703041717.MAA15287@sparcmill.grauel.com> from Richard J Kuhns at "Mar 4, 97 12:17:49 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Charles Henrich writes: > > > going on, maybe get an appropriate rsacrack@freebsd.org mailing list setu p > > > > Maybe it should be keymaster@freebsd.org :) > > > > -Crh > > > Are you the gatekeeper? Could be :) Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 10:23:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05959 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05949 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id NAA10221; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:22:20 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703041822.NAA10221@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:22:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: scrappy@hub.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199703041746.JAA02915@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Mar 4, 97 09:46:13 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > Maybe it should be keymaster@freebsd.org :) > > keymaster alias is the easy part :) > we cant compete with Linux or Debian (well maybe) > on number of hosts or aggregate keys/sec. > SO, we need web pages that indicate keys/sec/*host* > for each team. that is a competition that we can win ;) Well Im going to take a crack at putting together a web page that looks similar to the vex one. We can oust Debian, Linux, probably not. Im not planning on limiting our effort to FreeBSD.. I would just say anyone who wants to champion FreeBSD should run under our flag :) -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 10:36:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06801 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:36:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from vex.net (vex.net [207.207.191.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06788 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from vex.net(really [207.207.191.193]) by vex.net via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:36:36 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.90 1996-Dec-4 #4 built 1997-Jan-8) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 13:36:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703041746.JAA02915@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > we cant compete with Linux or Debian (well maybe) on number of > hosts or aggregate keys/sec. SO, we need web pages that indicate > keys/sec/*host* for each team. that is a competition that we can > win ;) debian.org is lagging far behind us in terms of recent processing power. We are only behind linuxnet.org and best.net. Is anyone aware of other RC5 team home pages? I only know about crackerz@best.net, and www.linuxnet.org doesn't even exist. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 10:41:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07086 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07078 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04679; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:41:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703041841.KAA04679@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu (Charles Henrich), scrappy@hub.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Mar 1997 09:46:13 PST." <199703041746.JAA02915@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:41:12 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jonathan M. Bresler" : > Charles Henrich wrote: > > > > > going on, maybe get an appropriate rsacrack@freebsd.org mailing list setu p > > > > Maybe it should be keymaster@freebsd.org :) > > keymaster alias is the easy part :) > we cant compete with Linux or Debian (well maybe) > on number of hosts or aggregate keys/sec. > SO, we need web pages that indicate keys/sec/*host* > for each team. that is a competition that we can win ;) > > jmb A simple way of getting more hosts is to stay with vex.net . Now, if we could also figure out a way to use our boxes more creatively to tie them to freebsd.org that would be something. Better Web distribution, better ftp mirror technology. For instance, there are efforts to create reliable ip multicast so in theory one would just send a single transmission out to update the sites. If done right re-trasmissions of bad packets could be handle by co-operating sites. Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 15:53:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24152 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24147 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id SAA20538; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:55:06 -0500 Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/4.0) id ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:52:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 18:52:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199703042352.SAA09026@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: taob@risc.org CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Brian Tao on Sat, 1 Mar 1997 23:10:44 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: RC5 RSA contest thing From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I have one nearly completely idle FreeBSD box (does nothing but >> compile my hacks), and one fairly idle RS/6000 at work. However, >> neither of these have direct access to the net. Is there any way >> for them to help under these circumstances? > Are they behind a firewall? There are socksified clients >available. No, they have to go through Sneakernet to get here. -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the FSF's, my employer's, or my dog's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 16:06:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24936 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24925 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20836; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:07:57 -0500 Received: by kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/4.0) id ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:05:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:05:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199703050005.TAA09058@kropotkin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: scrappy@hub.org CC: jehamby@lightside.com, henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, ghelmer@cs.iastate.edu In-reply-to: (message from The Hermit Hacker on Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:18:11 -0400 (AST)) Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Maybe this has to do with the patch in 2.7.2.1 to disable certain kinds of >> strength reduction (-fstrength-reduce) because of buggy code generation. Recall >> that this bug was why FreeBSD changed from using -O2 to -O optimization >> (although some people used "-O2 -fno-strength-reduce). Here's a quote from > I notice that 2.7.2.2 is available on prep...has anyone looked into >that yet? Its only improvments are for Linux. -- http://www.wp.com/piquan --- Joel Ray Holveck --- joelh@gnu.ai.mit.edu All my opinions are my own, not the FSF's, my employer's, or my dog's. Second law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation -- core dumped From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 16:23:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26871 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:23:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26839 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA12454 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:21:40 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703050021.TAA12454@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: RSA Contests URL for those who are interested: To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:21:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/97challenge/status.htm -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 16:37:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27982 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27974 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA13817; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:40:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:35:34 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Charles Henrich cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , scrappy@hub.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <199703041822.NAA10221@crh.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well Im going to take a crack at putting together a web page that looks similar > to the vex one. We can oust Debian, Linux, probably not. Im not planning on > limiting our effort to FreeBSD.. I would just say anyone who wants to champion > FreeBSD should run under our flag :) Cool! This was the message I was waiting to see. I can only get it around 12 hours a day but I can use a 20processor UltraSparc at night... Looking into other possibilities for horsepower I can leech at night... ( three Cray's come to mind if a client is available... ) +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 21:11:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23804 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from tibet.stepnet.com (tibet.stepnet.com [206.14.120.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23796 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ping@localhost) by tibet.stepnet.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id VAA11456 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ping Mai Message-Id: <199703050511.VAA11456@tibet.stepnet.com> Subject: BSD 4.4 polo shirt To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk check it out: http://www.creativecaps.com/bsd_daemon.html From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 23:20:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28176 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28170 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA28098; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 02:24:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 02:19:03 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Amancio Hasty cc: Brian Tao , "John S. Dyson" , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703020335.TAA00350@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Now a quad PPro equip with fast SDRAM will be something wild to watch 8) You have a motherboard in mind? I spent the last 2 hours combing the Web and everything is Orion chipset based... American Megatrends board looks interesting... if only it was newer... +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 4 23:35:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28613 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28606 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id VAA17713; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:38:59 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703050738.VAA17713@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: from Thomas Arnold at "Mar 5, 97 02:19:03 am" To: tom@inna.net (Thomas Arnold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:38:58 -1000 (HST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-smp.freebsd.org@caliban.dihelix.com From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone been able to poke at one the of ALR boxes? the 6x6 ones look real cool... -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com >On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >> Now a quad PPro equip with fast SDRAM will be something wild to watch 8) > >You have a motherboard in mind? I spent the last 2 hours combing the Web >and everything is Orion chipset based... > >American Megatrends board looks interesting... if only it was newer... > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > > From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 00:22:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00968 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 00:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00956 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 00:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04351; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:25:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 03:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: David Langford cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-smp.freebsd.org@caliban.dihelix.com Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: <199703050738.VAA17713@caliban.dihelix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, David Langford wrote: > Has anyone been able to poke at one the of ALR boxes? > the 6x6 ones look real cool... 450GX chipset? Can someone tell me what are the current chipsets?? I hear that the Orion chipset is a problem and the Natoma is new and better, but what are the numbers? +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 01:26:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04737 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04732 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA02993; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:26:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703050926.BAA02993@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Thomas Arnold cc: David Langford , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-smp.freebsd.org@caliban.dihelix.com Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 03:20:43 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 01:26:02 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is a site which has tons of info on motherboards: http://users.why.net/uruiamme/ Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 07:44:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23168 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23161 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12972; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:43:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:43:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Thomas Arnold cc: Amancio Hasty , Brian Tao , "John S. Dyson" , FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Thomas Arnold wrote: > On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Now a quad PPro equip with fast SDRAM will be something wild to watch 8) > > You have a motherboard in mind? I spent the last 2 hours combing the Web > and everything is Orion chipset based... > > American Megatrends board looks interesting... if only it was newer... O.K., so the Orion isn't SDRAM, but it does have faster memory access than Natoma. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 10:53:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04596 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04584 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id NAA29033; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id NAA17373; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:52:16 -0500 (EST) To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Thomas Arnold , Amancio Hasty , Brian Tao , "John S. Dyson" , FREEBSD-CHAT-L From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 07:43:35 PST." Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 13:52:15 -0500 Message-ID: <17370.857587935@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Eric J. Schwertfeger" wrote in message ID : > O.K., so the Orion isn't SDRAM, but it does have faster memory access than > Natoma. It's a while back, but there was a massive discussion about problems with the Orion, mainly PCI ones if I remember. Also, since wcarchive was upgraded from an Orion m/b to a Natoma one, most (if not all) of it's stability problems are gone. I'm sure if you search the freebsd-hardware mailing list archives you'll find problems in all their gory detail. Unless a recent revision has fixed these problems, I'd avoid the orion like the plague. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 16:22:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23902 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23859 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA07654; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:51:37 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703060021.KAA07654@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Junk mail from hackers list In-Reply-To: <199703051731.KAA11876@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 5, 97 10:31:56 am" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:51:37 +1030 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > I have noticed that I am receiving junk mail from AOL's mailing > list agregator again, now that someone from AOL recently subscribed > to the list, and was wondering if anyone else had the same experience? Is _that_ where it's coming from? My normal response to junk mail is to turn it around and send it to the postmaster, but I've been getting a lot of bounces from bogus headers. 8( > Anyone else getting a higher than normal amount of junk mail? Yes. 8( > You would think AOL would have enough problems without pissing off > a lot of highly technically knowledgable people... I think that AOL management and technical staff are sufficiently stupid that they couldn't care less about a market segment that already hates their guts. > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 16:46:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26321 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26316 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA12621; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:40:51 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199703060040.RAA12621@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Junk mail from hackers list To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:40:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703060021.KAA07654@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 6, 97 10:51:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I have noticed that I am receiving junk mail from AOL's mailing > > list agregator again, now that someone from AOL recently subscribed > > to the list, and was wondering if anyone else had the same experience? > > Is _that_ where it's coming from? My normal response to junk mail is to > turn it around and send it to the postmaster, but I've been getting a lot > of bounces from bogus headers. 8( Did you get the "CREDIT" one? That's the one that set me off, since it didn't say how to get off their list (the ones that let me "REMOVE" in a reply piss me off, but they are *just* below my pain threshold). > > You would think AOL would have enough problems without pissing off > > a lot of highly technically knowledgable people... > > I think that AOL management and technical staff are sufficiently stupid > that they couldn't care less about a market segment that already hates > their guts. It may be time to rewrite the "From:" on the list so a simple reply will fail, instead of leaving the poster's email address out there; this would such, for lots of reasons... the main one is that it would be harder to take a discussion off line. Alternately, AOL response addresses could be rewritten so that a group reply/reply to a posting from AOL wouldn't work. The AOL person would have to be a list member. Worst case: don't allow AOL users to subscribe to the list. This is a terrible thing. I think you are right about whether or not they care: they probably could care less that they agregating email addresses from a list rather than from individuals. It'd probably take a privacy act suit against them in order to make them quit, and even then, you couldn't enforce it, since you couldn't prove where they got your address from. Like I said, I've been on the list before, and I've gotten off it through their "send a comment" www page entry, even though the page entry was damn rude about me wanting to press "send" (see the comment page relevent to an outside user commenting on AOL to see what I mean: http://www.aol.com/comment.html). Something like "If you truly think we can't live without your pithy comments, click 'Submit' now.". Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 17:38:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29787 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29765 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:38:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA08368; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:07:29 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703060137.MAA08368@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Junk mail from hackers list In-Reply-To: <199703060040.RAA12621@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 5, 97 05:40:51 pm" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:07:28 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, terry@lambert.org, chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > > I have noticed that I am receiving junk mail from AOL's mailing > > > list agregator again, now that someone from AOL recently subscribed > > > to the list, and was wondering if anyone else had the same experience? > > > > Is _that_ where it's coming from? My normal response to junk mail is to > > turn it around and send it to the postmaster, but I've been getting a lot > > of bounces from bogus headers. 8( > > Did you get the "CREDIT" one? That's the one that set me off, since > it didn't say how to get off their list (the ones that let me "REMOVE" > in a reply piss me off, but they are *just* below my pain threshold). I've had several "CREDIT" ones. I successfully mailed about ten copies of /usr/share/dict/words to one of the response addresses, but most of them bounce, I presume either because the spammer is clueless or because they've been cut off before I get up in the morning. > It may be time to rewrite the "From:" on the list so a simple reply > will fail, instead of leaving the poster's email address out there; > this would such, for lots of reasons... the main one is that it would > be harder to take a discussion off line. I do not believe in cutting my nose off to spite my face; I think there's an appropriate technical solution just waiting to be discovered (like what's happening to doubleclick.net these days with web-proxy admins using squid redirects to block their advertisements), and once the combination of idea and annoyance hits the critical level, the solution will appear. > Alternately, AOL response addresses could be rewritten so that a group > reply/reply to a posting from AOL wouldn't work. The AOL person would > have to be a list member. Perhaps force AOL members to use an anonymous remailer? > Worst case: don't allow AOL users to subscribe to the list. This is > a terrible thing. Not acceptable at all, agreed. AOL users shouldn't be penalised just because their provider is stupid. > I think you are right about whether or not they care: they probably > could care less that they agregating email addresses from a list > rather than from individuals. It'd probably take a privacy act suit > against them in order to make them quit, and even then, you couldn't > enforce it, since you couldn't prove where they got your address > from. No. As far as I can tell, there is no applicable law in this case. It's even worse for someone overseas, as I have no right to seek redress via american law, and australian law (which I might well be able to manipulate to a suitable result) has no jurisdiction over the guilty party. The solution has to be implemented in the same realm as the offense. > Like I said, I've been on the list before, and I've gotten off it > through their "send a comment" www page entry, even though the page > entry was damn rude about me wanting to press "send" (see the comment > page relevent to an outside user commenting on AOL to see what I > mean: http://www.aol.com/comment.html). Something like "If you truly > think we can't live without your pithy comments, click 'Submit' now.". *snort* What can I say? To quote TISM(*) : "as a Mistral employee once told me, you're only as good as your fans." > Terry Lambert (*) This Is Serious Mum; Machiavelli and the Four Seasons. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 19:40:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA07866 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07859 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA25919; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:40:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:40:16 -0800 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199703060340.TAA25919@kithrup.com> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: Junk mail from hackers list Newsgroups: kithrup.freebsd.chat In-Reply-To: <199703060021.KAA07654.kithrup.freebsd.chat@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <199703051731.KAA11876@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 5, 97 10:31:56 am" Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199703060021.KAA07654.kithrup.freebsd.chat@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> you write: >> You would think AOL would have enough problems without pissing off >> a lot of highly technically knowledgable people... >I think that AOL management and technical staff are sufficiently stupid >that they couldn't care less about a market segment that already hates >their guts. I think you would be better off not making comments about people you don't know. I have been involved in trying to stop spam since Canter & Siegel. http://www.vix.com/spam/ will show I was one of the first people to sign up for it; in January and February, I cancelled over 2000 usenet articles. AOL has more problems than you probably realize; and their technical people are more clueful than you seem to think. I do not understand the bigotry against AOL customers. Yes, there are lots of clueless AOL people -- but there are lots of clueless people at any other ISP. AOL simply happens to be the biggest. Earthlink, as an end-user ISP, is the worst I've had to deal with, and AGIS, as a backbone provider, is even worse than that. Also, in response to Terry's original message: no, AOL does not mine addresses. If you send email to someone at AOL, your address does not get recorded by anyone but the recipient (and certain log files, of course -- but the same is true here). To be honest, I haven't seen much spam on the hacker's list. And all of my junk email apparantly comes from posting to usenet. (rec.arts.sf.written resulting in the most junk.) And, gosh, Terry certainly posts a lot to usenet; maybe *that*'s where his address is being found, hm? Sean. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 19:43:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA07928 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07923 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id TAA26095; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:43:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 19:43:02 -0800 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199703060343.TAA26095@kithrup.com> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: Junk mail from hackers list Newsgroups: kithrup.freebsd.chat In-Reply-To: <199703060137.MAA08368.kithrup.freebsd.chat@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> References: <199703060040.RAA12621@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 5, 97 05:40:51 pm" Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199703060137.MAA08368.kithrup.freebsd.chat@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> you write: >I've had several "CREDIT" ones. I successfully mailed about ten >copies of /usr/share/dict/words to one of the response addresses, but >most of them bounce, I presume either because the spammer is clueless >or because they've been cut off before I get up in the morning. Jesus. That's mature. http://www.vix.com/spam Read it. Memorize it. Live by it. (I do not know how much spam I get. I know how much *new* spam I get, because then I track it down whence it came, send off a complaint, and add it to my .procmail filter list. I log some of them, but not all.) Sean. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 21:31:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA13716 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA13710 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA00941 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 06:31:14 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id GAA00782 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 06:30:42 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id BAA17709; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 01:36:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19970306013652.50652@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 01:36:52 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New team roster list! (was Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge) References: <1174.857298508@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64/1-3,6,8,10-17 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm\#2999 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Brian Tao: > http://www.vex.net/rsa/, please re-visit the page and edit your entry I added my 304 K k/s PPro/180 to the list... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #39: Sun Feb 2 22:12:44 CET 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 22:04:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA16337 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hamby1 (hamby1.lightside.net [207.67.176.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16312 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jehamby@localhost) by hamby1 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA00742; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:03:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:03:38 -0800 From: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Message-Id: <199703060603.WAA00742@hamby1> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, sef@Kithrup.COM Subject: Re: Junk mail from hackers list Cc: chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: V8V5c2C+hGc3BsPfIDCnyw== Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Also, in response to Terry's original message: no, AOL does not mine > addresses. If you send email to someone at AOL, your address does not get > recorded by anyone but the recipient (and certain log files, of course -- > but the same is true here). To be honest, I haven't seen much spam on the > hacker's list. And all of my junk email apparantly comes from posting to > usenet. (rec.arts.sf.written resulting in the most junk.) And, gosh, Terry > certainly posts a lot to usenet; maybe *that*'s where his address is being > found, hm? > > Sean. I don't get much spam, and it doesn't bother me to just click "Delete". But what really annoys me are the X-rated spam that assumes we are all just lonely guys willing to pay big bucks for naked pics, the ones that look like: >From: Cyndi (or some sexy-sounding name) >Subject: hi > >hi I found this cool site on the Internet. Check it out! > >http://www.porn.sex.spam.whatever.com/ Is anyone actually so STUPID that they DON'T REALIZE this is an ad? Maybe they hope you talk to so many people (in seedy chat rooms, presumably!) that you don't know the e-mail addresses of all your friends... That's offensive! Besides, lonely guys with a CLUE know you can get naked pics from USENET for free. ;) Well, amidst the spam, that is. Perhaps a quote from Boomhauer of my new favorite cartoon (KOTH of course!) would be appropriate: "Yeah man, I tell ya what, man...That dang ol' Internet, man...You just go on there and point and click...Talk about W-W-dot-W-com...An' lotsa nekkid chicks on there, man... Click. Click. Click. Click. Click....It's real easy man." -- Jake From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 5 22:09:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17270 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17245 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 22:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA01048 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:08:47 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id HAA01194 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:08:31 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id HAA18692; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:06:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19970306070656.25850@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:06:56 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Junk mail from hackers list References: <199703051731.KAA11876@phaeton.artisoft.com> <199703060340.TAA25919@kithrup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64/1-3,6,8,10-17 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm\#2999 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Sean Eric Fagan: > AOL has more problems than you probably realize; and their technical people > are more clueful than you seem to think. I agree. They started slowly but now, their response to Usenet/mail abuse is pretty fast. They cancel dozens of accounts almost daily for these. They send a daily abuse report and cancel when appropriate. > Earthlink, as an end-user ISP, is the worst I've had to deal with, and AGIS, > as a backbone provider, is even worse than that. Don't tell me about earthlink... I cancelled more than 500 articles coming from them yesterday and the day before (the celebrities spam). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #39: Sun Feb 2 22:12:44 CET 1997 From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 6 08:59:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28418 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:59:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.PII.COM (pii.com [192.77.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28412 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from PII.COM by PII.COM (4.1/SMI-4.4) id AA21909; Thu, 6 Mar 97 09:00:44 PST Received: from PII-Message_Server by pii.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Mar 1997 09:02:45 -0800 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 08:57:31 -0800 From: Robert Clark To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Junk mail from hackers list -Reply Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been getting it too. I'm thinking about setting up a new mail address just for list server mail, and then putting a rule on that address that throws away all mail not from FreeBSD. [RC] >>> Michael Smith 03/05/97 04:21pm >>> Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > I have noticed that I am receiving junk mail from AOL's mailing > list agregator again, now that someone from AOL recently subscribed > to the list, and was wondering if anyone else had the same experience? Is _that_ where it's coming from? My normal response to junk mail is to turn it around and send it to the postmaster, but I've been getting a lot of bounces from bogus headers. 8( > Anyone else getting a higher than normal amount of junk mail? Yes. 8( > You would think AOL would have enough problems without pissing off > a lot of highly technically knowledgable people... I think that AOL management and technical staff are sufficiently stupid that they couldn't care less about a market segment that already hates their guts. > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 6 21:56:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16861 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:56:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16851 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id QAA19649; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:25:38 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199703070555.QAA19649@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ip-aliasing and X, a fix! sortof... In-Reply-To: from John Utz at "Mar 6, 97 08:56:18 pm" To: spaz@u.washington.edu (John Utz) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:25:37 +1030 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Utz stands accused of saying: > > If you run ssh, forwarding should happen automatically. I'll see what I > > can do about other protocols, but it is not too easy - everything that > > forward environment variables would have to be changed. You could fairly > > easily set up a proxy on the server, though - if you want to do this > > (instead of running securely with ssh) talk to me about getting source. > > I am not concerned about running securely. I look for speed and > simplicity, with speed almost always winning over simplicity, especially > running a graphical cad operation like cadence layout over a 28K ppp > line.. :-) Hey, you're doing that too? I just did a setup the other weekend for a user to dialin to an HP box (wow, iijppp runs on HP/UX too 8) and run Cadence & assorted other Phillips stuff. Cadence freaked me right out; it looks like an old Tcl/Tk application! > John Utz spaz@u.washington.edu -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 7 10:46:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06192 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:46:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [128.120.175.23]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06187 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (reqa-015.ucdavis.edu [128.120.251.15]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA09784; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:48:45 GMT Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA29908; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:45:57 GMT Message-ID: <19970307104557.BJ13698@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:45:57 -0800 From: obrien@NUXI.com (David O'Brien) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: jepace@ucdavis.edu (James E. Pace), samorodi@cs.ucdavis.edu (Steve Samorodi) Subject: (FWD) Re: rc5 stats X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Disclaimer: Mutt Bites! Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, we now know the stats aren't quite fair... Bill Broadley (bill@math.ucdavis.edu) is a big Linux weenie at my University and is also the "bill@zero.genx.net" that does the updates web page. I noticed that my clients haven't gotten any keys since yesterday afternoon, yet he is getting plenty. So I wrote him: -----Forwarded message from bill@proto.math.ucdavis.edu (Bill Broadley)----- From: Bill Broadley Subject: Re: rc5 stats Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:17:10 -0800 (PST) > > Bill, > > How are you able to get keys from the server??? > Top 100 Hosts ending at Fri Mar 7 11:34:07 1997 GMT (last hour) > > 1 proto.math.ucdavis.edu > 2 little.math.ucdavis.edu > 3 matching.math.ucdavis.edu > 5 qspin.math.ucdavis.edu > 6 p6133.math.ucdavis.edu > 7 mini.math.ucdavis.edu > > ALL of my hosts have been getting: > rc5-56-client: Notifying Key Server ``zero.genx.net'' > rc5-56-client: Error notifying server. > rc5-56-client: Sleeping 1 minute... > Since Thursday afternoon. I'm running a different client and a different server, binaries should be released RSN. -- Bill Broadley Bill@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin Linux is great. http://math.ucdavis.edu/~bill PGP-ok -----End of forwarded message----- From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 7 19:49:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14809 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14795 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 19:49:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca (smtp1.sympatico.ca [204.101.251.52]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA02053 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from X2296 (ppp1656.on.sympatico.ca [206.172.249.120]) by smtp1.sympatico.ca (SMI-8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA09072 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:06:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:06:14 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: ac199@freenet.hamilton.on.ca To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: routing Message-ID: X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2 X-Mailer: Pine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk $ traceroute wwww.freebsd.org 25 T1-CDROM-00-EX.US.CRL.NET (165.113.118.2) 26 R-CRL-SFO-01-EX.US.CRL.NET (165.113.118.1) 27 T1-CDROM-00-EX.US.CRL.NET (165.113.118.2) 28 R-CRL-SFO-01-EX.US.CRL.NET (165.113.118.1) 29 T1-CDROM-00-EX.US.CRL.NET (165.113.118.2) 30 R-CRL-SFO-01-EX.US.CRL.NET (165.113.118.1) Routing is always such fun, eh! :-) Mirror, mirror, on the wall.... Hrmph... That does no good, either, since they don't seem to mirror what I was after... dang mailing-list archives... -- tIM...HOEk Who's been messing with my anti-paranoi shot?! From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 7 22:01:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA25026 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from obie.softweyr.ml.org ([199.104.124.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA25012 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.ml.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id XAA09748; Fri, 7 Mar 1997 23:05:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 23:05:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703080605.XAA09748@obie.softweyr.ml.org> From: Wes Peters To: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) CC: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CNET announces InterJet... In-Reply-To: <199703040723.XAA00817@hamby1> References: <199703040723.XAA00817@hamby1> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jake Hamby writes: > This is my one (and only) complaint with the InterJet, that it tries to shield > the users from UNIX to the extent that it's not CAPABLE of adding in > functionality like CGI scripts. For basic use, however, I'll agree that it's > way cool for using FreeBSD. How 'bout the fact that it costs $2000, and you can do the same yourself with a $500 machine and FreeBSD? > Best Internet development tool: > * Microsoft Visual J++ 1.0 (how did Visual Basic get on that list anyway!?) Gag choke. I guess they didn't look at Visual Cafe (or anything else). > Best Internet server software: > * Lotus Domino 1.5 Ditto. > Best Internet hardware : > * Philips WebTV Gag me with a bulldozer. Talk about your overpriced, under featured, worthless piece of, er, hardware. > What I think deserves to win: > ----------------------------- > Best Web design tool: > NONE of them, they all suck (code HTML 3.2 by hand!) Yeah. > Best Internet development tool: > * Symantec Visual Cafe Pro (too bad it's only for Windows/Mac) > (personally I just use the JDK on UNIX :) Yeah. > Best Internet server software: > NONE, they all suck, use Apache :) Yeah. Apache sucks too, but at least it's free. ;^) > Best Internet server hardware : > * Whistle Communications InterJet 100 (whoohoo, FreeBSD!) I'll hold my comments here. For now. > Best browsers or enhancements : > NONE, we should go back to Netscape 2.02 :) Yeah - upgrade to the rear! Charge! > Best Internet application: > * Marimba Castanet 1.0 (whoohoo, excellent technology, and I might add, > Kim Polese ought to win Person of the Year :) None. They all suck. We still need a much faster internet; then ACM will qualify. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 00:15:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA00728 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from hamby1 (hamby1.lightside.net [207.67.176.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00717 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jehamby@localhost) by hamby1 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA08340; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:15:23 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:15:23 -0800 From: jehamby@lightside.com (Jake Hamby) Message-Id: <199703080815.AAA08340@hamby1> To: softweyr@xmission.com Subject: Re: CNET announces InterJet... Cc: chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-MD5: XH+YsdXJKg2TK64HvKXbQw== Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wes Peters writes: > Jake Hamby writes: > > This is my one (and only) complaint with the InterJet, that it tries to shield > > the users from UNIX to the extent that it's not CAPABLE of adding in > > functionality like CGI scripts. For basic use, however, I'll agree that it's > > way cool for using FreeBSD. > > How 'bout the fact that it costs $2000, and you can do the same yourself > with a $500 machine and FreeBSD? Ah, well YOU or I could do the same thing for $500, but for the kind of people who are willing to spend $10000 or more on a Sun Netra, $2000 is quite a bargain! > > Best Internet server software: > > NONE, they all suck, use Apache :) > > Yeah. Apache sucks too, but at least it's free. ;^) Have you looked at Sun's Java Web Server? Now THAT has the potential to be really cool. Let's see: Completely cross-platform, decent performance (considering it's written in Java, it really holds its own, even without a JIT), EXCELLENT performance running servlets, SSL and proxy server support, and a decent GUI admin interface too. One of my coworkers at JPL has designed an entire document management "intranet", using CGI's in Perl connected to an mSQL database. While the prototype is quite impressive, I can already see that there is NO way Perl will scale for this project to work reasonably efficiently if this server is to be used by all of JPL. We are seriously looking at Java servlets as a way to provide good speed (no context switches needed); the servlet is only loaded and initialized once, and can then serve many users simultaneously through threads, compared to perl which must be reloaded and reparse the CGI every time it's called! > > Best Internet application: > > * Marimba Castanet 1.0 (whoohoo, excellent technology, and I might add, > > Kim Polese ought to win Person of the Year :) > > None. They all suck. We still need a much faster internet; then > ACM will qualify. ;^) That's why Castanet is a halfway-decent idea; it caches each applet on your local disk. You can even use it on a laptop: download all the programs to your hard drive while you're connected to your "Intranet", then go on a business trip. When you get back, you reconnect the laptop, and it transfers all the state back to your net. Having said that, I really don't know what the ultimate impact of these "push" technologies will be. I think Pointcast is pretty lame. No Internet technology is a completely safe bet, these days. The only reason I'm as optimistic about Java servlets as I am is because: 1) Java is a cool language in spite of the hype, and 2) All of the Web server vendors (Apache, Netscape, MS, Sun, etc.) will add Java servlet support to their servers, or you'll be able to download the functionality from JavaSoft and add it yourself. Perl is great for prototypes, but I just don't trust it for anything big. Until servlets came along, though, I'd be hard-pressed to give you a realistic alternative. I'll be working on my own servlet-based Web site at work next week, and if anyone is interested, I'd be happy to let you know how it went when I'm finished. -- Jake From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 06:57:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA16429 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 06:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA16423 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 06:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id PAA14648; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:46:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) id LAA25915; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 11:18:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19970308111858.51095@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 11:18:58 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Charles Henrich Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net References: <199703032012.PAA04557@crh.cl.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64_p3-9,11-13,16-17,20-23,25-27 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-GAMMA Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Mar 03, 1997 at 03:12:55PM -0500, Charles Henrich wrote: > The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have > a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over > an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org > team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. If there are people willed paying my phone costs ;-)) I think for one hour in the night I'd do it on a daily basis with one or two machines ;-) -- andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 07:06:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16853 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 07:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16843 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 07:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id PAA14529; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:45:47 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) id KAA18158; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:35:20 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19970308103520.57937@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:35:20 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge References: <199703012038.PAA01209@crh.cl.msu.edu> <18642.857267867@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64_p3-9,11-13,16-17,20-23,25-27 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-GAMMA Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, Mar 01, 1997 at 05:57:47PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Im assuming you twiddled the jumpers to get the higher rate, what gives you > > confidence that your not going to smoke your CPU? :) > > Intel, actually. :) According to what I've heard, even when you get > the chip hot enough to cause it to shut down, all you have to do is > wait for it to cool down and it's back in business with no ill > effects. I think John tried some pretty hallucinatory clock speeds > in his own case before finally settling on 233 as the only reliable > overclock setting. :-) Does that mean, that the Pentium Pro has a build in heat sensor ? ;-) My understanding of overclocking && toasting a chip is, that it might become true ;-) Any background info on that ... ? A 200PPro CPU is damn expensive ... -- andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 07:12:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA17117 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 07:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA17084 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 07:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id PAA14620; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:46:03 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) id KAA19718; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:46:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19970308104612.52144@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:46:12 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Charles Henrich , jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, ejs@bfd.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, taob@risc.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) References: <199703022121.QAA10831@crh.cl.msu.edu> <199703022136.NAA06629@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64_p3-9,11-13,16-17,20-23,25-27 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-GAMMA Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Mar 02, 1997 at 01:36:12PM -0800, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Done! > > Now if we can convince bror@sms.fi to overclock his dual pentium and get him > the new client we may be able to beat the dual 400mhz alpha 8) > > Also, we are getting awfully close to 400k keys/sec 8) Well, give me a machine recommendation ... I'm about buying such a ,beast' in a few weeks, if everything goes right ;-) BTW, how long will this ,crack' approach last ... Did someone estimate the time necessary to crack the key ? Given a fixed scenario of n machine ? Currently I want to get a Tyan Titan Pro (S1668ATX) with maybe 2 200MHz PPro CPU's. Or should it be another board, which is maybe able to run faster RAM as SDRAM ? A little advice is apprechiated ... -- andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 09:59:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24293 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:59:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24288 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id JAA16902; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:59:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:59:24 -0800 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199703081759.JAA16902@kithrup.com> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CNET announces InterJet... Newsgroups: kithrup.freebsd.chat In-Reply-To: <199703080605.XAA09748.kithrup.freebsd.chat@obie.softweyr.ml.org> References: <199703040723.XAA00817@hamby1> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199703080605.XAA09748.kithrup.freebsd.chat@obie.softweyr.ml.org> you write: >How 'bout the fact that it costs $2000, and you can do the same yourself >with a $500 machine and FreeBSD? It would cost a bit more than $500 to have the hardware equivalence that the InterJet has, and you still wouldn't end up with the convenience and packaging. Also, you then wouldn't have the software, which, of course, is the VA part of the box. Yes, you could get FreeBSD, but there's more to the IJ than just the OS. The biggest part, I think, is the administrative interface (http based), and the combined all-in-one package. (That it comes largely preconfigured from your ISP is irrelevent, as you could do that today anyway, if your ISP were willing to do it.) My FreeBSD box takes some minimal manual administering. The InterJet doesn't. (Okay, I'm a bit biased -- I just spent a couple of hours with Whistle people yesterday. But I do think it's a neat product. Not one I would want to pay $2k for, but I do think it has its niche.) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 13:31:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03527 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03521 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA05544 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 1997 07:31:22 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 07:31:22 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd.org vs vex.net In-Reply-To: <19970308111858.51095@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 1997 at 03:12:55PM -0500, Charles Henrich wrote: > > The more I think about this, the more Im starting to feel we really should have > > a freebsd.org team. RSA is sponsering 12 contests, that will probably go over > > an entire year. How many people would be willing to move to a freebsd.org > > team? I'm very seriously considering switching my machines over.. > > If there are people willed paying my phone costs ;-)) > I think for one hour in the night I'd do it on a daily basis > with one or two machines ;-) > what i do is connect at 6pm and 6am, run the client 8 times, wait until they download the keyspace mask, and then disconnect (after going through the mail as well :) ) After about 12 hours they've all finished and are waiting for me to connect them back up so they can get the next one. seems to be working ok, only thing is now I can't work out a relevant speed (keys/sec) anymore :) When I add all eight up it comes to about the same figure I got when I was running one at a time but I don't think it's exactly accurate because they don't all start and finish at the same time as I get a lot of timeouts waiting for zero.genx.net, which is another reason i'm doing it this way, around these times in the day (australian daylight savings time) I don't have much problem getting through but later on during the night it waits for hours to connect. does anyone know approximately how long this challenge is going to take? Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au > -- > andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH > Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de > pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< > ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< > From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 14:54:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06221 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from franc.ucdavis.edu (franc.ucdavis.edu [128.120.8.183]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06211 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com by franc.ucdavis.edu (8.8.5/UCD3.8.5) id OAA14682; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA17166; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 22:50:44 GMT Message-ID: <19970308145043.54622@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:50:43 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? References: <199703022121.QAA10831@crh.cl.msu.edu> <199703022136.NAA06629@rah.star-gate.com> <19970308104612.52144@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.65_p0 Reply-To: obrien@nuxi.ucdavis.edu X-Warning: Mutt Bites! Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Did anyone figure out why the 2.1.x gcc-2.6.3 is producing better code than 2.2 gcc-2.7.2? I get a faster rc5-56-client benchmark on my 486 with gcc-2.6.3 produced binary than the gcc-2.7.2, so I don't think it is all Pentium optimations. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 15:03:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06534 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.risc.org (taob@trt-on5-30.netcom.ca [207.181.82.94]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06521 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by alpha.risc.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA22695; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 18:02:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 18:02:47 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Andreas Klemm cc: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Re: 2.2 Compiler slower than 2.1? (was RSA 56-bit key challenge) In-Reply-To: <19970308104612.52144@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > BTW, how long will this ,crack' approach last ... Did someone > estimate the time necessary to crack the key ? The fastest estimate I've seen so far was 9+ years to exhaust the entire keyspace. Assuming we're lucky and don't need to look at all the keys, and computing power continues to increase, it will probably still take over a year or two to find the right key. You have lots of time to join in. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 15:19:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07089 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07073 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA11518; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:20:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703082320.PAA11518@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Andreas Klemm cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 08 Mar 1997 10:35:20 +0100." <19970308103520.57937@klemm.gtn.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 15:20:01 -0800 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Sat, Mar 01, 1997 at 05:57:47PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> > Im assuming you twiddled the jumpers to get the higher rate, what gives you >> > confidence that your not going to smoke your CPU? :) >> >> Intel, actually. :) According to what I've heard, even when you get >> the chip hot enough to cause it to shut down, all you have to do is >> wait for it to cool down and it's back in business with no ill >> effects. I think John tried some pretty hallucinatory clock speeds >> in his own case before finally settling on 233 as the only reliable >> overclock setting. :-) > >Does that mean, that the Pentium Pro has a build in heat sensor ? ;-) Yes, actually. I don't recall in which section of the PPro hardware manual this is documented, but it does indeed have a temperature sensor that shuts the chip down before it exceeds the level that would cause permanent damage. I was quite surprised when I read about this... -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 18:48:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20123 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 18:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20118 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 18:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.4) id VAA01440; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:48:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 21:48:25 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199703090248.VAA01440@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: dg@root.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <5fsskm$hoo$1@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >>On Sat, Mar 01, 1997 at 05:57:47PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >>> > Im assuming you twiddled the jumpers to get the higher rate, what gives yo u >>> > confidence that your not going to smoke your CPU? :) >>> >>> Intel, actually. :) According to what I've heard, even when you get >>> the chip hot enough to cause it to shut down, all you have to do is >>> wait for it to cool down and it's back in business with no ill >>> effects. I think John tried some pretty hallucinatory clock speeds >>> in his own case before finally settling on 233 as the only reliable >>> overclock setting. :-) >> >>Does that mean, that the Pentium Pro has a build in heat sensor ? ;-) > Yes, actually. I don't recall in which section of the PPro hardware >manual this is documented, but it does indeed have a temperature sensor >that shuts the chip down before it exceeds the level that would cause >permanent damage. I was quite surprised when I read about this... Damn, those Intel people are cool! -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 8 19:10:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20868 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20862; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199703090310.TAA20862@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: (FWD) Re: rc5 stats To: obrien@NUXI.com (David O'Brien) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:10:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, jepace@ucdavis.edu, samorodi@cs.ucdavis.edu In-Reply-To: <19970307104557.BJ13698@dragon.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at Mar 7, 97 10:45:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk can you get a copy of hte software that we can run using the binary emulator? perhaps use hexl-mode to replace any linux strings with freebsd :) jmb David O'Brien wrote: > > Well, we now know the stats aren't quite fair... > > Bill Broadley (bill@math.ucdavis.edu) is a big Linux weenie at my > University and is also the "bill@zero.genx.net" that does the updates web > page. > > I noticed that my clients haven't gotten any keys since yesterday > afternoon, yet he is getting plenty. So I wrote him: > > -----Forwarded message from bill@proto.math.ucdavis.edu (Bill Broadley)----- > From: Bill Broadley > Subject: Re: rc5 stats > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:17:10 -0800 (PST) > > > > Bill, > > > > How are you able to get keys from the server??? > > Top 100 Hosts ending at Fri Mar 7 11:34:07 1997 GMT (last hour) > > > > 1 proto.math.ucdavis.edu > > 2 little.math.ucdavis.edu > > 3 matching.math.ucdavis.edu > > 5 qspin.math.ucdavis.edu > > 6 p6133.math.ucdavis.edu > > 7 mini.math.ucdavis.edu > > > > ALL of my hosts have been getting: > > rc5-56-client: Notifying Key Server ``zero.genx.net'' > > rc5-56-client: Error notifying server. > > rc5-56-client: Sleeping 1 minute... > > Since Thursday afternoon. > > I'm running a different client and a different server, binaries > should be released RSN. > > > -- > Bill Broadley Bill@math.ucdavis.edu UCD Math Sys-Admin > Linux is great. http://math.ucdavis.edu/~bill PGP-ok > > -----End of forwarded message----- >