From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 19 15:14:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA23429 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA23424 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.tortona.alpcom.it ([194.243.66.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA08273 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 15:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyber1.it (line04.tortona.alpcom.it [194.243.66.19]) by ns.tortona.alpcom.it (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA10384 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:15:16 GMT Message-ID: <32E2AA0B.7C6B@tor.it> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:11:08 +0100 From: Davide Canalia Reply-To: davide@tor.it X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Which hardware i need? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi i have a cyrix p166+ 420Mb hd 16 mb ram. I want to buy new hd and ram. There are some ide hd that dont work in freebsd? Thank davide From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 19 16:29:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id QAA28016 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:29:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA28009; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 16:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id KAA26686; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:59:08 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199701200029.KAA26686@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level format In-Reply-To: <9700178535.AA853571140@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com" at "Jan 17, 97 11:53:39 pm" To: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:59:05 +1030 (CST) Cc: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org, questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com stands accused of saying: > > Installed an aha-2940uw. the machine hangs during boot immediately after > > printing the disk information. > > I've heard about so many problems with the 2940UW that I'm hesitant to use > it on a new FreeBSD system I'm building. Is there a different Ultra/Wide > card that works flawlessly with FreeBSD 2.2? Check out the Tekram DC390 cards; the high-end one is NCR-based and works perfectly AFAIK. Tekram also went to the effort of producing a BSD driver for the low-end 390 which is based on the AMD SCSI controller, which has subesequently been incorporated into FreeBSD, so supporting them is the Right Thing 8) > --Brett -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 19 17:16:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA00919 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA00911 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 17:16:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.8.4+2.7Wbeta4/3.3W5-MX961019-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id KAA20589; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:16:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from nile.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W9-MX970108-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id KAA04029; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:15:59 +0900 Received: (from seki@localhost) by nile.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA04346; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:10:44 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:10:44 +0900 (JST) From: Masahiro Sekiguchi Message-Id: <199701200110.KAA04346@nile.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: David Hunt Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network Card In-Reply-To: <32DDB113.4D93@apdata.com.au> References: <32DDB113.4D93@apdata.com.au> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David, > I need > to know if Free BSD will support a Tiara Lancard E*AT 10BaseT card, the > ethernet controller on it is a Fujitsu MB86950B. There are no device driver for Fujitsu 86950 family chips available on FreeBSD, as far as I know. 86950 is a predecessor of 86960 series (which fe driver supports) and shares similar chip design with 86960, but the software interface is incompatible. So, you cannot use the Tiara card, unless you (or someone else) write a device driver for it. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 19 23:33:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA16786 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.internode.net (mail.internode.net [198.161.228.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id XAA16781 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.161.228.103] by relay.internode.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id AC0023F0094; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:17:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970120073350.0073e868@internode.net> X-Sender: drussell@internode.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:33:50 -0700 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) From: Doug Russell Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:49 AM 1/18/97 -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >Again, we (the consumer) are getting screwed by the manufactures, most >if not all of them have stopped 2G and smaller SCSI drive production, >and shifted the bottom of the IDE curve to 2G. The smallest _current_ >production SCSI drive I can buy is 4G. > >1G and 2G drives can still be found in the channel, but most of these >are OEM overruns and/or excess inventory liqudations (at premium >prices since the high volume folks know they are a scarce product.) Western Digital rwecently introduced 4 new SCSI drives, all 7200 RPM, 2.0 and 4.0 gig, with Ultra, and Ultra Wide versions of the two sizes. The prices are in line with other U/UW drives, at least around here (dealer prices, Canada). >Shelved due to lack of time, caused by manufactures who keep me >running around trying to make their latest cost reductions work :-(. At least you aren't the only one with the same problems. :-( Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 20 03:55:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA26088 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 03:55:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua (whale.gu.net [194.93.190.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA26073 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 03:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from trifork.gu.net (trifork.gu.net [194.93.190.194]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26024; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:54:28 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:54:09 +0200 (EET) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: Robert Schien cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Which PPro board? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-NCC-Reg-ID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Robert Schien wrote: > But what motherboard should I buy? Asus? Tyan? > Does anyone know something about Chaintech? Or: any opinions on Intel Providence 2xPPro board? > Is it correct that on non-ASUS boards I need a SCSI host > adapter with BIOS if I want to boot from the SCSI drive? Not always. Almost all PCI MBs I've seen in last 2 years which are equipped with Award BIOS -- they all had NCR BIOS embedded. But -- YMMV. Intel MBs do not have NCR BIOS, for example, and their BIOS is from Phoenix, AFAIK. Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 20 08:17:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA09310 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from fire.ebc.net (fire.ebc.net [194.133.24.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id IAA09305 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 08:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ice.ebc.net (ice.ebc.net [194.133.24.3]) by fire.ebc.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27850 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:21:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970120171420.0068b04c@pop.ebc.net> X-Sender: nighty@pop.ebc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:14:21 -0100 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Christophe Prevotaux Subject: Asus XP6NP4 ATX Pentium MotherBoard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone used this board ? and if yes where there any problems and in general are there any troubles with ATX motherboard ? Like Mouse support and or Power Shutdown ? or any other problems ? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Christophe Prevotaux | EBCnet, Reims, France IRC: nighty | Internet Services Provider Email: nighty@ebc.net | Champagne-Ardenne Region www:http://www.ebc.net | tel: + 33 (0)3 26 49 99 00 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sysadmin EBCnet/Internet Systems Engineer --------------------------------------------------------------------- PGP public key available on demand --------------------------------------------------------------------- - My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer - --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 20 09:38:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA13621 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA13615 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA04150 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:35:46 -0500 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199701201735.MAA04150@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: HP C1752-66500 cheapo SCSI card To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:35:45 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anybody know if this cheapo card will work with the nca driver? The card I have originally came with an HP Scanjet IIc scanner: it's an 8-bit ISA card with an NCR 53C400 chip. The board is very simple: there's a grand total of two ICs, plus one 4 bit switchblock. Naturally, I can't find the manual than goes with it (I found it while rummaging around in a storage cabinet) so I have no idea what the switches do. And of course they didn't bother to silkscreen any hints onto the board even though there's plenty of room. I tried it with the Jan 18th SNAP but the nca driver didn't detect it. Anybody know what the switch settings do and whether or not this thing can be made to play nice with FreeBSD? I realize it's practically junk, but then so is most of my equipment. :) -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 20 10:58:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA18002 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kryten.nina.org (port-52.ts1.gnv.fdt.net [205.229.51.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id KAA17995 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 10:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09389; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:55:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.0 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199701201735.MAA04150@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:46:52 -0500 (EST) From: Frank Seltzer To: Bill Paul Subject: RE: HP C1752-66500 cheapo SCSI card Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 20-Jan-97 Bill Paul wrote: > >Anybody know if this cheapo card will work with the nca driver? >The card I have originally came with an HP Scanjet IIc scanner: >it's an 8-bit ISA card with an NCR 53C400 chip. The board is very >simple: there's a grand total of two ICs, plus one 4 bit switchblock. >Naturally, I can't find the manual than goes with it (I found it while >rummaging around in a storage cabinet) so I have no idea what the >switches do. And of course they didn't bother to silkscreen any >hints onto the board even though there's plenty of room. I tried it with >the Jan 18th SNAP but the nca driver didn't detect it. > >Anybody know what the switch settings do and whether or not this >thing can be made to play nice with FreeBSD? I realize it's practically >junk, but then so is most of my equipment. :) This sounds very much like a Trantor T130b. Switches: SW1/SW2 I/O address SW1 SW2 350h off off 340h off on 250h on off 240h on on I have the docs which come with it in front of me if you need any additional inf o. Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House - anonymous From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 20 11:53:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA22054 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA22049 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 11:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA04368; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:50:01 -0500 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199701201950.OAA04368@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: HP C1752-66500 cheapo SCSI card To: frankd@yoda.fdt.net (Frank Seltzer) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Frank Seltzer" at Jan 20, 97 01:46:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Frank Seltzer had to walk into mine and say: > > On 20-Jan-97 Bill Paul wrote: > > > >Anybody know if this cheapo card will work with the nca driver? > >The card I have originally came with an HP Scanjet IIc scanner: > >it's an 8-bit ISA card with an NCR 53C400 chip. The board is very > >simple: there's a grand total of two ICs, plus one 4 bit switchblock. > >Naturally, I can't find the manual than goes with it (I found it while > >rummaging around in a storage cabinet) so I have no idea what the > >switches do. And of course they didn't bother to silkscreen any > >hints onto the board even though there's plenty of room. I tried it with > >the Jan 18th SNAP but the nca driver didn't detect it. > > > >Anybody know what the switch settings do and whether or not this > >thing can be made to play nice with FreeBSD? I realize it's practically > >junk, but then so is most of my equipment. :) > > This sounds very much like a Trantor T130b. > > Switches: > SW1/SW2 I/O address SW1 SW2 > 350h off off > 340h off on > 250h on off > 240h on on > > I have the docs which come with it in front of me if you need any additional inf > o. > Thanks, but that doesn't appear to be it. I managed to find a copy of the Windoze deskscan software, and included were a couple of utilities. One of them, called swtchset.exe, tells me that the switch settings are for what it calls a 'ROM address.' The possible settings, according to the program, are DC000, CC000, D0000, D4000 and D8000. I set the board for DC000 and verified that the deskscan sjii.sys driver can find it. (This is with Lose95.) There's also a program called findport.exe which just prints: Port 280 is available. Port 290 is available. Port 300 is available. Port 310 is available. Port 330 is available. Port 340 is available. Port 348 is available. Port 350 is available. I'm not really sure what this means. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 20 12:14:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA23719 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kryten.nina.org (port-52.ts1.gnv.fdt.net [205.229.51.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA23714 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 12:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA10206; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:09:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.0 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199701201950.OAA04368@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:08:09 -0500 (EST) From: Frank Seltzer To: Bill Paul Subject: Re: HP C1752-66500 cheapo SCSI card Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 20-Jan-97 Bill Paul wrote: >Thanks, but that doesn't appear to be it. I managed to find a copy of >the Windoze deskscan software, and included were a couple of utilities. Sorry I wasn't any help. >-Bill > >-- >============================================================================= >-Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu >Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research >Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City >============================================================================= > "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" >============================================================================= Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House - anonymous From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 20 15:00:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA06144 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA06139 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id JAA02621; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:30:14 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199701202300.JAA02621@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: HP C1752-66500 cheapo SCSI card In-Reply-To: <199701201950.OAA04368@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from Bill Paul at "Jan 20, 97 02:50:00 pm" To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:30:13 +1030 (CST) Cc: frankd@yoda.fdt.net, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bill Paul stands accused of saying: > > > > > >Anybody know if this cheapo card will work with the nca driver? > > >The card I have originally came with an HP Scanjet IIc scanner: > > >it's an 8-bit ISA card with an NCR 53C400 chip. The board is very "It should". > > >simple: there's a grand total of two ICs, plus one 4 bit switchblock. What's the other IC? One is obviously the 53c400 snotbox, the other is presumably the bus interface... > Thanks, but that doesn't appear to be it. I managed to find a copy of > the Windoze deskscan software, and included were a couple of utilities. > One of them, called swtchset.exe, tells me that the switch settings are > for what it calls a 'ROM address.' The possible settings, according to > the program, are DC000, CC000, D0000, D4000 and D8000. I set the board > for DC000 and verified that the deskscan sjii.sys driver can find it. > (This is with Lose95.) "ROM address"? Is there space on the card for a 28 or 32-pin DIP? If the switchblock has 4 bits, you've only listed 5 memory addresses; is that one for 'all off', and one for each bit on, or are there other combinations? > There's also a program called findport.exe which just prints: > > Port 280 is available. ... > I'm not really sure what this means. I suspect that it means that the card's base address can be soft-set. > -Bill -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 20 18:17:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA20323 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:17:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (metriclient-6.uoregon.edu [128.223.172.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA20318 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:17:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA07610; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:17:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:17:10 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: Bill Paul cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP C1752-66500 cheapo SCSI card In-Reply-To: <199701201735.MAA04150@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Bill Paul wrote: > > Anybody know if this cheapo card will work with the nca driver? > The card I have originally came with an HP Scanjet IIc scanner: > it's an 8-bit ISA card with an NCR 53C400 chip. The board is very > simple: there's a grand total of two ICs, plus one 4 bit switchblock. > Naturally, I can't find the manual than goes with it (I found it while > rummaging around in a storage cabinet) so I have no idea what the > switches do. And of course they didn't bother to silkscreen any > hints onto the board even though there's plenty of room. I tried it with > the Jan 18th SNAP but the nca driver didn't detect it. well.. that ncr chip does work (at least with a 960323 or 960801 snap)... I've had an old 8bit card with it on it.... the card I have has a block of 8... it probably doesn't have a bios rom on it... but you might try 0x[23][45]0 for the iobase... also... irqs 3, 5, or 7... > Anybody know what the switch settings do and whether or not this > thing can be made to play nice with FreeBSD? I realize it's practically > junk, but then so is most of my equipment. :) it is really quite bad... on my old machine... if I did any type of transfer off a 2x cdrom.. the cpu would hit max usage due to the polled io nature of the card... but it does work for cdroms :)... hope you get it working.. ttyl.. John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 21 21:27:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA13871 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lugh.kerris.com (lugh.kerris.com [205.150.35.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13801 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mkerr@localhost) by lugh.kerris.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01346; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:25:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:25:48 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Kerr To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Mitsumi CD problem during probe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I have been successful at installing freebsd on my system using a Mitsumi 8x CDROM. My problem now is that I can't get it to mount properly. For some reason it doesn't show up in the probe. It's an IDE drive, connected to the second IDE port on my motherbaord. Alternately, I've connected it as the slave on the first port. Neither configurations work. This is perplexing given that it was able to probe it fine during the installation process. I'm pretty much at a loss as to what to do about this. Does anybody have any suggestions as to a solution, or has anybody come across this before? Mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 21 21:52:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15217 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lugh.kerris.com (lugh.kerris.com [205.150.35.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15209 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 21:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mkerr@localhost) by lugh.kerris.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01435; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:52:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:52:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Kerr To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Sound Card compatibility Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have an ESS 1868 16-bit sound card. I don't see mention of it in the handbook, only a generic driver. Has anybody been able to get an ESS sound card working on their system? Mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 21 22:37:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18120 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18115 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA03711; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199701220636.WAA03711@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970120073350.0073e868@internode.net> from Doug Russell at "Jan 20, 97 00:33:50 am" To: drussell@internode.net (Doug Russell) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:36:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: smp@csn.net, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At 12:49 AM 1/18/97 -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > >Again, we (the consumer) are getting screwed by the manufactures, most > >if not all of them have stopped 2G and smaller SCSI drive production, > >and shifted the bottom of the IDE curve to 2G. The smallest _current_ > >production SCSI drive I can buy is 4G. > > > >1G and 2G drives can still be found in the channel, but most of these > >are OEM overruns and/or excess inventory liqudations (at premium > >prices since the high volume folks know they are a scarce product.) > > Western Digital rwecently introduced 4 new SCSI drives, all 7200 RPM, 2.0 > and 4.0 gig, with Ultra, and Ultra Wide versions of the two sizes. The > prices are in line with other U/UW drives, at least around here (dealer > prices, Canada). So Western Digital is going to try the SCSI stuff again.. this will be the third time WD has ``introduced'' SCSI product... wonder how long they will last this time :-) Quantum did introduce a 2G version of the Atlas II drive, but the latest word on it is that it won't see the light of day, or at least no one can give me an ``ETA'' for product. > > >Shelved due to lack of time, caused by manufactures who keep me > >running around trying to make their latest cost reductions work :-(. > > At least you aren't the only one with the same problems. :-( > > Later...... > > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 21 23:26:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20378 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20373 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:26:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id RAA14259; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:56:19 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199701220726.RAA14259@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU In-Reply-To: <199701220636.WAA03711@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "Jan 21, 97 10:36:58 pm" To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:56:18 +1030 (CST) Cc: drussell@internode.net, smp@csn.net, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes stands accused of saying: > > So Western Digital is going to try the SCSI stuff again.. this will be > the third time WD has ``introduced'' SCSI product... wonder how long > they will last this time :-) *snort* The local WD dealer has been banging the drum about WD's "new SCSI disks, due any day now" for the last 12 months or so. It was less than a month after they were introduced that they started discounting WD's "new" PCI SCSI controllers, so I can only conclude that WD really know their SCSI stuff. Erk. > Quantum did introduce a 2G version of > the Atlas II drive, but the latest word on it is that it won't see > the light of day, or at least no one can give me an ``ETA'' for > product. I take it that Seagate have axed the 2G Hawk? That makes little/no sense at all; current pricing around here has them at about AUD$500, compared to the 4G Hawk and Barracuda, both at about AUD$1300. Weird. > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 03:59:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA00177 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from stcgate.statcan.ca (stcgate.statcan.ca [142.206.192.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA00171 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by stcgate.statcan.ca (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA01446; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:00:06 -0500 Received: from stcinet.statcan.ca(142.206.128.146) by stcgate via smap (V1.3) id sma001424; Wed Jan 22 11:59:33 1997 Received: from statcan.ca by statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA01700; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 07:00:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Jeays X-Sender: jeays@austral To: Mike Kerr cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mitsumi CD problem during probe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Mike Kerr wrote: > > Howdy, > > I have been successful at installing freebsd on my system using a Mitsumi > 8x CDROM. My problem now is that I can't get it to mount properly. For > some reason it doesn't show up in the probe. > > It's an IDE drive, connected to the second IDE port on my motherbaord. > Alternately, I've connected it as the slave on the first port. Neither > configurations work. This is perplexing given that it was able to probe > it fine during the installation process. I'm pretty much at a loss as to > what to do about this. Does anybody have any suggestions as to a > solution, or has anybody come across this before? > > Mike. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr > Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ > mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. > > I had all sorts of similar troubles with 2.1.5, and eventually found that the following snippet from the kernel config file works well. There is a long pause during the probe on the second controller (about 30 seconds?) controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr # disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 # disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device wcd0 #IDE CD-ROM I have now installed the 2.2-BETA, and the boot floppy finds the CD-ROM correctly, and the default kernel also worked for me. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 05:40:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA05049 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 05:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lugh.kerris.com (lugh.kerris.com [205.150.35.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA05041 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 05:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mkerr@localhost) by lugh.kerris.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA00198; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:40:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:40:09 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Kerr To: Mike Jeays cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mitsumi CD problem during probe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Mike Jeays wrote: > > I have been successful at installing freebsd on my system using a Mitsumi > > 8x CDROM. My problem now is that I can't get it to mount properly. For > > some reason it doesn't show up in the probe. > > > I had all sorts of similar troubles with 2.1.5, and eventually found that > the following snippet from the kernel config file works well. > There is a long pause during the probe on the second controller > (about 30 seconds?) Yes, there is. I'll go through what you have below. For some reason (after I sent the email out I went to do my first kernel rebuild) the wcd0 device is commented out along with the ATAPI option in my generic config. I've commented them back in and done a rebuild, and though it DOES finally recognize the CD and mount it, it still does the pause. As I say, I'll take a look at the stuff below. > I have now installed the 2.2-BETA, and the boot floppy finds the > CD-ROM correctly, and the default kernel also worked for me. Cool. I have another question, perhaps unrelated. I've never tried installing a second hard drive, and find that I'm having difficulty doing so. I've been told by some people that sysinstall is a more intuitive way of doing partition and filesystem creation but when I load it up, the mount points show and the NFS column has a * in it. I don't want to screw up my current HD and partitions. Any ideas? Mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 06:11:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA05880 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:11:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05874 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.4/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA23254; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:11:07 -0800 (PST) To: Mike Kerr cc: Mike Jeays , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mitsumi CD problem during probe In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jan 1997 08:40:09 EST." Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 06:11:06 -0800 Message-ID: <23249.853942266@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Cool. I have another question, perhaps unrelated. I've never tried > installing a second hard drive, and find that I'm having difficulty doing > so. I've been told by some people that sysinstall is a more intuitive > way of doing partition and filesystem creation but when I load it up, the > mount points show and the NFS column has a * in it. I don't want > to screw up my current HD and partitions. Any ideas? Well, I could tell you to simply assign mountpoints to them and make sure that newfs was set to ``Y'', but I happen to know that it would only die later on, when it hits a bug I recently fixed in -current. :-( I'd just use sysinstall to write the partition info and then use disklabel to carve it up for now. I should have something much better available for 2.2 and 3.0. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 09:10:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14357 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14340; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA22501; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:26:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:26:20 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 56K vs X2? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Seeing as how everyone wants to connect at faster and faster speeds (for less and less money, ;{, It would very probably be a good idea to buy equipment that's upgradeable. So far as I know, there's (or will be) two version of 56K technology. Here's a blurp from a Livingston salesperson: "We have announced an agreement with Lucent Technology on the 56k modem technology. A copy of the press release is available on our Web page. Lucent and Rockwell will be compatible. Between the two of them, they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with 75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be compatible with other 56k technologies, so their 56k will only work with the other 20-25% of themodems which are also USR. ....." Anybody care to comment on the percentages? I was also wondering if perhaps USR may be sheer power of brand-name identity and loyalty, end up over the long run as the winner? Cheers. Len From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 11:32:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21968 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from silver.sms.fi (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21933; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 11:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from peteomni (silver.sms.fi [194.111.122.17]) by silver.sms.fi (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA10073; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:31:00 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:31:00 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199701221931.VAA10073@silver.sms.fi> X-Sender: pete@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Petri Helenius Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:26 22.1.1997 -0800, Leonard Chua wrote: >they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with >75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be >compatible with other 56k technologies, so their 56k will only work with >the other 20-25% of themodems which are also USR. ....." > USR runs their modems off DSP's which are loaded with microcode at "boot time". That means that if they decide to steer their direction they can release software to make the change. This is not the case with all modems out there. Pete From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 12:20:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24630 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lever.lever.com (lever.LEVER.COM [140.174.20.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24624 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from burst.lever.com by lever.lever.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0vn8wn-0001ZDC; Wed, 22 Jan 97 12:07 PST Received: by burst.lever.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG id MAA15676; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:16:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:16:09 -0800 From: ee@burst.lever.com (Edward Elhauge) Message-Id: <199701222016.MAA15676@burst.lever.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 1542 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi FreeBSD Gurus, I've been running FreeBSD since last summer as part of my ISP business with little or no problem. Recently though I did a hardware upgrade that seems to be causing me problems. One of the machines I have was a 486 running on 8MB of memory. It was a bit slow but ran without a hitch. I bought a new Mitec motherboard with an Intel 100MHz Pentium CPU and 128MB of memory, installed it in an old cardcage I had and moved the video, ethernet and Adaptec 1542 from the 486 into the new system. These systems are SCSI only with all the disks external, so I just plugged the SCSI cables into the same board they had been plugged into and turned on power. The system booted fine, including reading the kernel but would hang about when fsck would normally run (after detecting npx0. The error reported was a timeout on ah0 (the Adaptec). I twidled with the CMOS setup and disabled a bunch of optimizations and now the system often will boot all the way to the login prompt. But I still get intermittent problems with the ah0. Sometimes it will hang after fsck or sometimes it will timeout after running for a couple of hours. I get the following error messages: sd0(aha0:0:0):timed out adaptor not taking commands. Debugger("aha1542") called. frozen?! So my questions are: 1) Is there something I can do in the kernel to fix this problem? 2) Is there someghing inherently wrong with Mitac motherboards? 3) Is there another brand or model of SCSI adapter that is more reliable in a FreeBSD environment? -- root@lever.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 12:24:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24939 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24922; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA04971; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:24:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA23864; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:20:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > I was also wondering if perhaps USR may be sheer power of brand-name > identity and loyalty, end up over the long run as the winner? The problem here is that this power of the USR brand is almost totally within the consumer market but the USR modems will not work unless the ISP market buys USR TotalControl servers. So far, large parts of the ISP market are quite happy with Livingston, Ascend, Cisco and Bay/Xyplex terminal servers and all those companies are going with the Lucent/Rockwell standard. Since the consumer generally phones their ISP to ask when X2 compatibility will be available the ISP has an opprtunity to erode USR's branding power by telling the customer one or more of the following: 1. No, we will not support USR X2. 2. We will support the Lucent/Rockwell K56plus standard. 3. USR X2 modems won't work with our service but if you buy one of this long list of brands then 56K will work. 4. If you buy USR X2 modems then you will be locked in to your ISP because you won't be able to switch to another non-USR ISP without buying a new 56K modem. 5. In real world tests, 56K modems rarely work that fast. 6. We will/may be charging more for 56K modem users. This is because we have to buy special terminal servers in order to support 56K. 7. Many people's phone lines will not support 56K. If you cannot get a 33.6k connect today, likely it won't work. 8. If ISDN is not available in your area then it is unlikely that your phone lines will support 56K. 9. 56K technology is a new technology and there will likely be bugs. It is wiser to wait until this shakes out before buying 56K technology and that is what we are going to do. 10. It is likely that eventually the two incompatible standards will be merged but that will also cause some upheaval and possibly upgrade costs. We prefer to wait until there is a single unified standard before buying new terminal servers. A number of ISP's have prepared web pages and handout sheets to explain to their customers why they should not buy USR X2 modems. You might want to do the same thing. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 14:26:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01520 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01514; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:26:09 -0800 (PST) From: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id OAA23604; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 14:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA853971662; Wed, 22 Jan 97 14:07:25 PST Date: Wed, 22 Jan 97 14:07:25 PST Message-Id: <9700228539.AA853971662@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 15:14:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04090 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from stcgate.statcan.ca (stcgate.statcan.ca [142.206.192.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04074 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by stcgate.statcan.ca (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA10028; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:14:25 -0500 Received: from stcinet.statcan.ca(142.206.128.146) by stcgate via smap (V1.3) id sma009987; Wed Jan 22 23:13:47 1997 Received: from statcan.ca by statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA21904; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:14:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:12:06 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Jeays X-Sender: jeays@austral Reply-To: Mike Jeays To: Mike Kerr cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mitsumi CD problem during probe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Cool. I have another question, perhaps unrelated. I've never tried > installing a second hard drive, and find that I'm having difficulty doing > so. I've been told by some people that sysinstall is a more intuitive > way of doing partition and filesystem creation but when I load it up, the > mount points show and the NFS column has a * in it. I don't want > to screw up my current HD and partitions. Any ideas? > > Mike. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr > Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ > mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. > I found that sysinstall did all that I needed. I crossed my fingers when I told it to run NEWFS, but it formatted the BSD partition correctly, and nothing I have done so far has done any harm to my Win95 disk. I even use the Win95 disk to keep backup copies of package files (.tgz), and of the FreeBSD installation as downloaded, and nothing bad has happened yet. The 2.2-BETA seems to have lots of improvements, and I am looking forward to the CD-ROM becoming available. Have courage - but make a backup first! I reported about a month ago that I was having trouble with a Gigabyte motherboard, Pentium 120 and new memory. I was getting occasional random crashes. My supplier agreed to replace all the new hardware, which I thought was excellent service, and the system has been rock solid ever since. Nothing wrong with the 2.2-BETA, and nothing wrong with Gigabyte motherboards, as far as I can tell. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 15:23:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04531 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.internode.net (mail.internode.net [198.161.228.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04521 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:22:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.161.228.107] by relay.internode.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id AD5F8910120; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:06:07 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970122162403.094f6586@internode.net> X-Sender: drussell@internode.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" From: Doug Russell Subject: Re: ASUS T2P4 and Adaptec 2940AU Cc: smp@csn.net, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:36 PM 1/21/97 -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >So Western Digital is going to try the SCSI stuff again.. this will be >the third time WD has ``introduced'' SCSI product... wonder how long >they will last this time :-) Looks that way... I certainly hope things work out a little better than they have in the past. Of course, none of WD's drives used to be particularly spectacular (to say the least) but the caviar series of EIDE drives have seemed pretty good. Lets hope the new SCSI models are good as well. >Quantum did introduce a 2G version of the Atlas II drive, but the latest word >on it is that it won't see the light of day, or at least no one can give me an >``ETA'' for product. That is about what I've seen as well. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 15:23:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04576 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.internode.net (mail.internode.net [198.161.228.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04562; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.161.228.107] by relay.internode.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id AD628910120; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:06:10 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970122162406.0a0f18ea@internode.net> X-Sender: drussell@internode.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Leonard Chua , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Doug Russell Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:26 AM 1/22/97 -0800, Leonard Chua wrote: >"We have announced an agreement with Lucent Technology on the 56k >modem technology. A copy of the press release is available on our Web >page. Lucent and Rockwell will be compatible. Between the two of them, >they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with >75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be That isn't true. Even if they have that much of the market, very few (if any) of the modems with those chipsets out there are upgradeable to 56K. Only new modems sold will be able to use the higher speeds. >compatible with other 56k technologies, so their 56k will only work with >the other 20-25% of themodems which are also USR. ....." But, all Courier V.Everything modems ever built and a good chunk of the Sportster modems are upgradeable via a simple software upgrade. Older sportster models, I believe, may require an EPROM swap or something to update the firmware. I own several Courier series modems, and have upgraded them with various versions of the software over the past 5 years or so (I have even older models as well, but they aren't upgradeable :-)) and the whole idea works very slick. I'd also like to point out that there was at least one company that announced that it would be licencing X2 from USR, I can't remember who it was, Cirrus Logic perhaps.... It is on USR's X2 web page, however. So it isn't going to be JUST USR. It is also worth noting that long before V.32 appeared on the scene, USR was transferring data at 9600 (and later 14.4Kbps) with a proprietary protocol called HST, and it was quite popular even though only USR HST modems supported it. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 15:33:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05399 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05390 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id SAA10034; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:22:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199701222322.SAA10034@persprog.com> Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010030; Wed Jan 22 18:21:47 1997 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 22 Jan 97 18:22:38 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 22 Jan 97 18:22:11 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: ee@burst.lever.com (Edward Elhauge), freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 18:22:07 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Adaptec 1542 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199701222016.MAA15676@burst.lever.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 22 Jan 97 at 12:16, Edward Elhauge proclaimed: > > Sometimes it will hang after fsck or sometimes it will timeout after > running for a couple of hours. I get the following error messages: > > sd0(aha0:0:0):timed out > adaptor not taking commands. > Debugger("aha1542") called. frozen?! > > So my questions are: > 1) Is there something I can do in the kernel to fix this problem? > > 2) Is there someghing inherently wrong with Mitac motherboards? > > 3) Is there another brand or model of SCSI adapter that is more reliable > in a FreeBSD environment? > I cannot answer 1) or 2) as well as others on this list that are far more knowledgeable. As to 3), the same applies, but I will answer anyway! The Adaptec 1542, being a bus-mastering ISA controller, is less than optimal with more than 16 meg of RAM (since that is all an ISA bus can address) so you would be much better served with a PCI controller, such as a Symbios Logic (NCR) chip based SCSI controller. The Asus SC200 is one example, and I believe Tyan makes a few. You might want to check with Mr Grimes for a specific product. Adaptec controllers have been problematic lately so they should probably be avoided unless they change their current modus operandi. Besides, the Symbios Logic chips are cheaper! I saw a few recommendations of Tekram here (JKH?) so they might be a good bet as well, although I cannot personally vouch for them. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose fantasy. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 15:41:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06183 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06164; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id NAA00107; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:41:26 -1000 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:41:26 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199701222341.NAA00107@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com "56K vs X2?" (Jan 22, 2:07pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } } Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. } Avoid them all and get a cable-modem connection -- forget that slow stuff ... :-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 15:48:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06826 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06792; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23418; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:04:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:04:00 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: Doug Russell cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970122162406.0a0f18ea@internode.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > At 09:26 AM 1/22/97 -0800, Leonard Chua wrote: > That isn't true. Even if they have that much of the market, very few (if > any) of the modems with those chipsets out there are upgradeable to 56K. > Only new modems sold will be able to use the higher speeds. Which is a big worry over here :) I am trying to get confirmation from Livingston about their (new) portmaster3. > But, all Courier V.Everything modems ever built and a good chunk of the > Sportster modems are upgradeable via a simple software upgrade. Older > sportster models, I believe, may require an EPROM swap or something to > update the firmware. I have no doubts whatsoever about Couriers. Sadly, our budget can't fit them in. Perhaps you can suggest a warehouse that gives excellent pricing? > I'd also like to point out that there was at least one company that > announced that it would be licencing X2 from USR, I can't remember who it > was, Cirrus Logic perhaps.... It is on USR's X2 web page, however. So it > isn't going to be JUST USR. It is also worth noting that long before V.32 > appeared on the scene, USR was transferring data at 9600 (and later > 14.4Kbps) with a proprietary protocol called HST, and it was quite popular > even though only USR HST modems supported it. I think when I quoted that salesblurp from the Livingston rep, I should have included the last part, which basically said that USR will only license their X2 for modem manufacturers, and not manufacturers of products of the other end of the line - i.e. the Dialup Access Servers/Hubs/Concentrators(/whatever else vendors like to call them). So unless their policy changes, the PortMaster3s will not get X2 upgrades (but rather rockwell 56k instead). This poses some worry. Thanks for the feedback! Cheers. Len From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 16:05:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08879 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@207.denver-001.co.dial-access.att.net [207.147.16.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08866; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05610; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: <32E6A0B0.1A30EA70@w3page.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:20:16 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Foulk CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? References: <199701222341.NAA00107@pegasus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Foulk wrote: > > } > } Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. > } > > Avoid them all and get a cable-modem connection -- forget that > slow stuff ... :-) Avoid them all and go OC-12 fiber optic... ( Unless price is a factor, of course. ) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 16:40:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12960 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA12892; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA09515; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:40:13 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA26398; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:36:40 -0800 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:36:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970122162406.0a0f18ea@internode.net> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > >they own 75-80% of the modem market. Thus, we will be compatible with > >75-80% of the modems out there. USR does not appear to have any plans to be > > That isn't true. That's right. It should say they will be compatible with the manufacturers who currently sell 75-80% of modems. However some of the existing non-USR modems do have flash upgrade capabilities. > It is also worth noting that long before V.32 > appeared on the scene, USR was transferring data at 9600 (and later > 14.4Kbps) with a proprietary protocol called HST, and it was quite popular > even though only USR HST modems supported it. At the time another company called Telebit had a 9600 bps protocol called PEP that was totally incompatible with HST. It was also quite popular. But that was back when anybody could by two identical modems and they would interoperate. However, with 56K you can't do that. If both ends of the connection are running a USR 56K modem it will not be possible to get any faster than 33.6kbps. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 17:07:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15523 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15514; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vnDd8-0008yOC; Wed, 22 Jan 97 17:07 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? To: lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com (Leonard Chua) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 17:07:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Leonard Chua" at Jan 22, 97 04:04:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have no doubts whatsoever about Couriers. Sadly, our budget can't fit > them in. Perhaps you can suggest a warehouse that gives excellent pricing? I got mine for about $270 at www.isn.com; they also have USR I-modems for about $400, which not only do ISDN, but V.everything and soon to do X2 (including server-side) as well, according to USR's flyers and web page. > license their X2 for modem manufacturers, and not manufacturers of > products of the other end of the line ... > So unless their policy changes, ... unless their policy changes, I won't be supporting it. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 19:18:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22774 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22763; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07054; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:18:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:18:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" X-Sender: ejs@harlie To: Richard Foulk cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: <199701222341.NAA00107@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Richard Foulk wrote: > } > } Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. > } > > Avoid them all and get a cable-modem connection -- forget that > slow stuff ... :-) Fine for hooking up to the Cable Company, but I really don't see that as feasible for connecting to the office. Same for X2, and probably 56K,, Of course, this has 0 relevance to the existing topic, so I'll go away now. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 19:41:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA23888 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [204.178.32.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23883; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 19:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA18801; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:02:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:02:16 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Alan Batie cc: Leonard Chua , drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, One thing to remember amongst all this M$ reminiscent hype is that ALL of the 56K modems require a direct *digital* connection to the telco on one end (the server) to function. It's in the fine print, but all the standards require this. So if you're an ISP with a term server and stand-alone modems, be prepared to throw it all away in favor of this new, unproven technology. Has anyone yet to see a demo of this during a sales pitch?? Charles > I got mine for about $270 at www.isn.com; they also have USR I-modems for > about $400, which not only do ISDN, but V.everything and soon to do X2 > (including server-side) as well, according to USR's flyers and web page. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 20:09:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24825 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:09:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24819; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vnGT7-0008xjC; Wed, 22 Jan 97 20:08 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? To: spork@super-g.com (spork) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:08:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "spork" at Jan 22, 97 11:02:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > One thing to remember amongst all this M$ reminiscent hype is that ALL of > the 56K modems require a direct *digital* connection to the telco on one > end (the server) to function. That's why if I do it at all, I plan to do it as part of an ISDN upgrade, where I suspect I won't be able to avoid it anyhow. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 20:11:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24958 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24953; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.105.88.59] (ppp-207-105-88-59.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.105.88.59]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA06787; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:11:05 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 20:10:53 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 2:07 PM 1/22/97, Brett_Glass@infoworld.com wrote: >Avoid them all. Get ISDN or Frame Relay. And make sure that if you buy ISDN, you can do both voice and data, compression and channel bonding. I recomend any of the Ascend boxes, especially the Pipeline 75. Fine company and fine boxes. A steal at what they sell for. Eric Eric Harley, VP Information Systems & CIO Powerware International http://www.powerwareintl.com/ Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 22 21:53:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29096 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from humvee.doit.wisc.edu (humvee.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA29091 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from audumla.students.wisc.edu by humvee.doit.wisc.edu; id XAA32662; 8.7.5/50; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:53:02 -0600 Received: from gabor-bsd by audumla.students.wisc.edu; id XAA69776; 8.6.9W/42; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:52:04 -0600 Message-ID: <32E6FD0E.167EB0E7@acm.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:54:22 -0600 From: Gabor Kincses X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logitech Soundman Wave References: <32DE1189.446B9B3D@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gabor Kincses wrote: > > Anyone knows of support for this sound card > under FreeBSD? Is it hard to port a Linux > driver (if one exists) over to FreeBSD? > Nobody answered. I guess not. The box of this card sez Soundblaster 16 compatible. Does that mean an API or driver level compatibility? I have also read about it being a Mediavision (clone?) card... Is there anybody out there? -- Gabor Kincses (gabor@acm.org) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 00:18:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06479 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.infinetconsulting.com (earth.infinetconsulting.com [207.23.43.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA06455; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lenc@localhost) by earth.infinetconsulting.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24445; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:34:24 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:34:24 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Chua To: spork cc: Alan Batie , drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, spork wrote: > Howdy, Howdy. > One thing to remember amongst all this M$ reminiscent hype is that ALL of > the 56K modems require a direct *digital* connection to the telco on one > end (the server) to function. It's in the fine print, but all the > standards require this. So if you're an ISP with a term server and > stand-alone modems, be prepared to throw it all away in favor of this new, > unproven technology. Has anyone yet to see a demo of this during a sales > pitch?? Now that is a very good point indeed. I think that throws the balance in favour of using T1 lines. :) Also, I'm probably wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere that there's 56K/X2 server and 56K/X2 client modems. Meaning that even the modem vendor says a particular modem is upgradeable to 56K/X2, it may not neccessarily work as a dialin 56K/X2 modem. Anyone care to dispute that. (I apologise in advance if I'm wrong. I'm pretty dead tired right now :) Cheers. Len From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 00:55:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA08360 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (metriclient-9.uoregon.edu [128.223.172.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08351; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA17364; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:54:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 00:54:27 -0800 (PST) From: John-Mark Gurney Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney To: Leonard Chua cc: spork , Alan Batie , drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, spork wrote: > > Howdy, > Howdy. > > One thing to remember amongst all this M$ reminiscent hype is that ALL of > > the 56K modems require a direct *digital* connection to the telco on one > > end (the server) to function. It's in the fine print, but all the > > standards require this. So if you're an ISP with a term server and > > stand-alone modems, be prepared to throw it all away in favor of this new, > > unproven technology. Has anyone yet to see a demo of this during a sales > > pitch?? > Now that is a very good point indeed. I think that throws the balance in > favour of using T1 lines. :) > Also, I'm probably wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere that there's > 56K/X2 server and 56K/X2 client modems. Meaning that even the modem > vendor says a particular modem is upgradeable to 56K/X2, it may not > neccessarily work as a dialin 56K/X2 modem. Anyone care to dispute that. > (I apologise in advance if I'm wrong. I'm pretty dead tired right now :) you are correct here... the ONLY way they are able to do 56k recieve on the dialin side is that the only analog part is from the dialer -> telco... the rest from telco to you is digital... basicly there isn't signal loss when you go from digital to analog... there is only loss when you go from analog to digital... ttyl... John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Modem/FAX: (541) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 01:24:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09917 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA09899; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:24:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA18129; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:24:40 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00975; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:21:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:21:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Leonard Chua wrote: > Also, I'm probably wrong, but I recall hearing somewhere that there's > 56K/X2 server and 56K/X2 client modems. Meaning that even the modem > vendor says a particular modem is upgradeable to 56K/X2, it may not > neccessarily work as a dialin 56K/X2 modem. Whether you are talking about X2 or K56plus flavors of 56K modem they come in two types, one for the server end that answers calls and one for the client end to originate calls. You cannot hook two client 56K modems together and get anything faster than v.34+ out of them. In fact, in some recent field trials USR had difficulty getting faster than 53K out of their X2 modems. This is not a silver bullet technology. This is living on the bleeding edge; that's the thin edge of the razor's wedge. Everything has to be perfect or it just won't work. Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 08:44:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28429 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28424 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 08:44:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from Mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2-biteme) with ESMTP id KAA16417 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:44:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (jonas@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Mailbox.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA23715; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:44:12 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jonas@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id KAA17843; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:44:09 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Jonas Olsson Message-Id: <199701231644.KAA17843@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Subject: DX4-100 and sig-11's To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:44:09 -0600 (CST) Cc: jonas@mcs.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm testing an older 486DX4-100 computer with FreeBSD. I've run85 cycles of memtest-86 on it with no problem, but FreeBSD dies when starting up (after npx probe). The system has a PVI-486SP3 motherboard, Award BIOS, 3 PCI slots, SiS 85C496 and 85X497 chipset and Intel DX4 A80486DX4100 SK051. The CPU has a "TOUCH H9512" (CPU made before Dec. 1995) sticker on it. Any ideas? The BIOS will let me choose write-thru or write-back for the caches but no disable. I've tried both options. Jonas From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 09:12:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29912 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29907; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id JAA22511; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:11:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:11:55 -0800 (PST) From: Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush To: Michael Dillon cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Michael Dillon wrote: > In fact, in some recent field trials USR had difficulty getting > faster than 53K out of their X2 modems. In a flyer we got yesterday from USR, it stated that "due to current FCC restrictions" connections will only be 53K but _could_ be 56K. Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ServNet/Abstract Software sjkb@abstractsoft.com http://www.serv.net/~begonia ``Just another one of the flock following the herd.'' From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 09:22:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00699 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (root@po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00690 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from maryann.eng.umd.edu (maryann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.22]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19897; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by maryann.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25387; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:21:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: maryann.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:21:59 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@maryann.eng.umd.edu To: Lars Jonas Olsson cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DX4-100 and sig-11's In-Reply-To: <199701231644.KAA17843@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Lars Jonas Olsson wrote: > I'm testing an older 486DX4-100 computer with FreeBSD. I've run85 > cycles of memtest-86 on it with no problem, but FreeBSD dies when > starting up (after npx probe). > The system has a PVI-486SP3 motherboard, Award BIOS, 3 PCI slots, SiS > 85C496 and 85X497 chipset and Intel DX4 A80486DX4100 SK051. The CPU > has a "TOUCH H9512" (CPU made before Dec. 1995) sticker on it. Any > ideas? The BIOS will let me choose write-thru or write-back for the > caches but no disable. I've tried both options. Point 1: There is NO program whatsoever, under any operating system, that does an even slightly reliable job of testing memory, so disregard the memtest results. Point 2: There IS a reliable memory test method, it involved using a hardware based memory tester. Most vendors of memory either have one or have access to one, so you have to ask them to do your testing. Point 3: Unix operating systems (as a class, not just FreeBSD) push memory much harder than any dos program, and will easily catch problems that are invisible to dos memory checkers. Point 4: Altho they _do_ catch memory problems, Unix OSs are miserable at telling you _where_ the problem is; see Point 2. The FreeBSD OS is solid, so if it's bombing, you have a hardware problem. I'm not saying it's memory, perhaps something else is set up wrong. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 09:25:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00795 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (root@po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00790 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from maryann.eng.umd.edu (maryann.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.22]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20759; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by maryann.eng.umd.edu (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25580; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:25:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: maryann.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@maryann.eng.umd.edu To: Gabor Kincses cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logitech Soundman Wave In-Reply-To: <32E6FD0E.167EB0E7@acm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Gabor Kincses wrote: > Gabor Kincses wrote: > > > > Anyone knows of support for this sound card > > under FreeBSD? Is it hard to port a Linux > > driver (if one exists) over to FreeBSD? > > > > Nobody answered. I guess not. The box of > this card sez Soundblaster 16 compatible. > Does that mean an API or driver level > compatibility? I have also read about it > being a Mediavision (clone?) card... > > Is there anybody out there? > We're out there, but we don't have your card, so no one answered. Some clone cards achieve SB compatibility by interaction with a dos device driver. Sometimes you can boot into do, get the card into SB compatibility mode (often done for you in config.sys), then reboot (without powering down!) into FreeBSD, and the card will work then as a SB clone. No guarantees, but it's worked for some others. > -- > Gabor Kincses > (gabor@acm.org) > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 09:32:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01130 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01124; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) From: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id JAA02437; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA854040449; Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:40:44 PST Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:40:44 PST Message-Id: <9700238540.AA854040449@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: John-Mark Gurney , lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > basicly there isn't signal loss when you go from digital to analog... > there is only loss when you go from analog to digital... Not true; there's distortion, introduced by encoding, in either direction. Not to mention bit robbing. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 09:41:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01570 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01565 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2-biteme) with ESMTP id LAA19931; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:41:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (jonas@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Mailbox.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA06528; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:41:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jonas@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.5/8.8.2) id LAA20054; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:41:01 -0600 (CST) From: Lars Jonas Olsson Message-Id: <199701231741.LAA20054@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Subject: Re: DX4-100 and sig-11's To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:41:01 -0600 (CST) Cc: jonas@mcs.net, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Jan 23, 97 12:21:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, I guess MemTest-86 isn't that great... I pulled one SIMM and it seems to work now. Jonas > > On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Lars Jonas Olsson wrote: > > > I'm testing an older 486DX4-100 computer with FreeBSD. I've run85 > > cycles of memtest-86 on it with no problem, but FreeBSD dies when > > starting up (after npx probe). > > The system has a PVI-486SP3 motherboard, Award BIOS, 3 PCI slots, SiS > > 85C496 and 85X497 chipset and Intel DX4 A80486DX4100 SK051. The CPU > > has a "TOUCH H9512" (CPU made before Dec. 1995) sticker on it. Any > > ideas? The BIOS will let me choose write-thru or write-back for the > > caches but no disable. I've tried both options. > > Point 1: There is NO program whatsoever, under any operating system, > that does an even slightly reliable job of testing memory, > so disregard the memtest results. > Point 2: There IS a reliable memory test method, it involved using > a hardware based memory tester. Most vendors of memory > either have one or have access to one, so you have to ask > them to do your testing. > Point 3: Unix operating systems (as a class, not just FreeBSD) push > memory much harder than any dos program, and will easily > catch problems that are invisible to dos memory checkers. > Point 4: Altho they _do_ catch memory problems, Unix OSs are miserable > at telling you _where_ the problem is; see Point 2. > > The FreeBSD OS is solid, so if it's bombing, you have a hardware problem. > I'm not saying it's memory, perhaps something else is set up wrong. > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 11:04:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04829 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04821; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from allenh.wtrt.net (local2.wtrt.net [205.231.181.228]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10981; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:04:44 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970123130454.00b21cb0@wtrt.net> X-Sender: allenh@wtrt.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 5 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:04:54 -0600 To: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com, John-Mark Gurney , lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com From: Allen Hyer Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:40 AM 1/23/97 PST, Brett_Glass@infoworld.com wrote: >> basicly there isn't signal loss when you go from digital to analog... >> there is only loss when you go from analog to digital... > >Not true; there's distortion, introduced by encoding, in either direction. >Not to mention bit robbing. That would normally be true. I can only speak from what I have read about X2, really haven't studied Lucent's 56k. T1's use PCM codes to carry data. USR's digital X2 modems signal the direct PCM codes, so there is no conversion in the server side originated data until it hits the local loop on the customer's phone line. And, since the originating data was straight PCM codes, the digital to analog conversion should theoretically not change the data. Allen Hyer System Administrator West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 14:50:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17307 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17262; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:50:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199701232250.OAA17262@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, disk need low level formation To: gibbs@thefly.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:50:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199701172126.NAA00599@thefly.plutotech.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jan 17, 97 01:26:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > >called adaptec support. after changing a number of controller > >parameters on the aha-2940uw, each followed by a reboot. adaptec > >says "you have to low level format". they state that the geometry > >used by the aha-1540cp is not compatible with the aha-2940uw because > >the aha-1540cp runs the scsi bus at 5 MB/s async and the aha-2940uw > >want to run the scsi bus at 10 MB/s sync. > > > >this is the first time that i have heard such a recommendation. > >does this match anyone's experience? > > Its not uncommon to have to dump and restore the data on a drive when > switching between controllers with different translations (this is only > neccessary if you need to boot off of the disk or access it via DOS BTW), > but the 1540 and 2940 should have the same translation options. The transfer > speed should not affect how the data is stored on the media. It sounds > to me like the support tech you talked to was either on drugs or figured that > by the time you low leveled the drive and restored your data and called back, > he'd have gone home already. Perhpas have some sort of IRQ conflict with an > ISA device? the answer is "flash the bios to the most recent pnp version". teh bios did not support plug-in-dismay, flashing the bios fixed that. nwo the aha-2940uw works well with the st32550n. new problem.....the ethernet card, smc 8013ewc, does not work. the error message is ed0: failed to clear shared memory at cc000 - check configuration. the card is hard jumpered to irq 10, ioaddr 300, mem cc000. worked great at that setting before i flashed the bios ;) installed 2.2-alpha via the this ethernet card at those settings. i will redo the ICU utility and make sure that these resources are not getting stolen by the pci bus. jmb From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 15:50:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20399 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20390; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.2/8.7.3) id KAA23127; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:20:36 +1030 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199701232350.KAA23127@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: SMC not clearning meory (was Re: [Q] aah-2940uw, ...) In-Reply-To: <199701232250.OAA17262@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at "Jan 23, 97 02:50:06 pm" To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:20:35 +1030 (CST) Cc: gibbs@thefly.plutotech.com, questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler stands accused of saying: > > new problem.....the ethernet card, smc 8013ewc, does not work. > the error message is > > ed0: failed to clear shared memory at cc000 - check configuration. > > the card is hard jumpered to irq 10, ioaddr 300, mem cc000. > worked great at that setting before i flashed the bios ;) > installed 2.2-alpha via the this ethernet card at those settings. There are some restrictions when it comes to having 8 and 16-bit things living next to each other in the memory map; if you've diabled the Video BIOS shadow it's possible that this will be griefing you... > jmb -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 16:01:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21211 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21203; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 16:00:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.8.4/8.8.4/GNAC-GW-2.1) with SMTP id PAA07640; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:59:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA854063640; Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:38:35 PST Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:38:35 PST Message-Id: <9700238540.AA854063640@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Allen Hyer , gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu, lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > since the originating data was straight PCM codes, the digital to analog > conversion should theoretically not change the data. Even if you send straight PCM codes, you have no control over bit robbing on switched circuits. (You can get DEDICATED clear channel T1, but to my knowledge, you can't rely on clear channel through a phone switch.) --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 17:50:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29034 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from inetsrv.wtrt.net (inetsrv.wtrt.net [205.231.181.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29025; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from allenh ([208.209.98.89]) by inetsrv.wtrt.net (8.8.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA15879; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:50:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970123194722.006ad8cc@wtrt.net> X-Sender: allenh@wtrt.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 beta 8 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 19:47:22 -0600 To: Brett_Glass@infoworld.com, gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu, lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com From: Allen Hyer Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, drussell@internode.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9700238540.AA854063640@ccgate.infoworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:38 PM 1/23/97 PST, Brett_Glass@infoworld.com wrote: >> since the originating data was straight PCM codes, the digital to analog >> conversion should theoretically not change the data. > >Even if you send straight PCM codes, you have no control over bit robbing >on switched circuits. (You can get DEDICATED clear channel T1, but to my >knowledge, you can't rely on clear channel through a phone switch.) I'm not an expert in telco technology, but if it makes any difference, on the USR total control system, you must use "trunk-side" T1's. Your other option is to use ISDN-PRI. Allen Hyer System Administrator West Texas Rural Telephone From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 23 20:17:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05744 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.internode.net (mail.internode.net [198.161.228.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA05739; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:17:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [198.161.228.115] by relay.internode.net (SMTPD32-3.02) id A38C30A00E2; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:59:08 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970124042006.00752f68@internode.net> X-Sender: drussell@internode.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:20:06 -0700 To: Allen Hyer , Brett_Glass@infoworld.com, gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu, lenc@earth.infinetconsulting.com From: Doug Russell Subject: Re: 56K vs X2? Cc: spork@super-g.com, batie@agora.rdrop.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, michael@memra.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's some of the answers that should clear things up. Yes, the server side has to be digital...... So for, say a connection to your home from the office, you need (as a minimum) an ISDN at the office, with an I-Modem, and an X2 modem at home on the analog line. I suppose if you wanted the fast channel to go outward from your home (a household web server? :-) ) you could have the ISDN end at your house and an analog at the other end. At least it would cost less. (Here anyway, the residential ISDN rates are lower than the business rates. Still pretty hefty though. Telus, the local phone company here in Calgary quoted me $85 per month for ISDN into my house. 1, 3, and 5 year contract plans drop the rate, (around 79, 75, and 69 dollars per month respectively if I remember right. The paper is on my desk at the office.) At least it's only a $60 installation fee. Although, I still have to pay the $200 to trench in more copper from the front yard... They only ran 2 pairs of copper into the houses in my area (an area new enough that they should have known better, BTW), and these temporary pair splitting devices to give me my current 4 phone lines don't work so hot... :-) ) >From USR's web site, URL http://x2.usr.com/solutions/corporate.html...... --- CUT --- x2 support on both ends: x2 must be supported on both ends of the connection, by the remote users' modem as well as by the remote access server or modem pool at the host end. The host-end device must implement x2 server functionality, and the remote user's modem must implement x2 client functionality. Typically, the remote user will be using a U.S. Robotics Courier, Sportster, or Megahertz modem (x2 client functionality) dialing into an MP I-modem, NETServer I-modem, Courier I-modem, or Total Control Enterprise Network Hub (x2 server functionality). Digital at one end: In typical remote access configurations, many remote users dial in to a concentration point where traffic from multiple remote users is aggregated. At this concentration point the connection to the phone network must be digital, meaning either a channelized T1, ISDN PRI, or ISDN BRI. The line must also be "trunk-side" and not "line-side." ISDN PRI and BRI lines are automatically trunk-side. Channelized T1s are typically trunk-side but may, in some circumstances, be line-side. Note that x2 speeds of 56,000 bits per second occur in the direction from the digital end of the connection to the analog end. One Analog-to-Digital conversion: There can only be one Analog-to-Digital (A/D) conversion in the phone network along the path of the call from the remote user to the call termination point (remote access server). Having a remote access server on the end of a trunk-side digital connection, with the remote user connected to an analog line, typically ensures this requirement will be met. Note that this means users connecting through a PBX (e.g. at a hotel) may not achieve x2 speeds, because there typically is an extra analog-to-digital conversion for data calls through a PBX. Quality of Line: As with V.34 technology, x2 speeds are somewhat dependent on line quality. However, because x2 is designed to take advantage of the digital nature of the phone network, it will typically be less susceptible to speed degradation than V.34. In fact, the maximum theoretical connect speeds of x2 exceed 60 Kbps. U.S. Robotics' initial testing has indicated that the vast majority of home users will be able to obtain x2 speeds. In situations where x2 is not obtainable, U.S. Robotics products will fall back to V.34 (with no user intervention required). --- CUT --- Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 24 01:22:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA17074 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mccomm.nl (root@gateppp.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17069 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 01:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpserver.mccomm.nl (hpserver.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.13]) by mccomm.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05586 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:20:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199701240920.KAA05586@mccomm.nl> Received: by hpserver.mccomm.nl (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA26722; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:19:26 +0100 From: Rob Schofield Subject: Re: [Q] aah-2940uw To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (Hardware list at FreeBSD) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 10:19:26 MET In-Reply-To: <199701232250.OAA17262@freefall.freebsd.org>; from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Jan 23, 97 2:50 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > fixed that. nwo the aha-2940uw works well with the > st32550n. > > new problem.....the ethernet card, smc 8013ewc, does not work. > the error message is > > ed0: failed to clear shared memory at cc000 - check configuration. > > the card is hard jumpered to irq 10, ioaddr 300, mem cc000. > worked great at that setting before i flashed the bios ;) > installed 2.2-alpha via the this ethernet card at those settings. Could be if you've blown the Flash with a new BIOS, that it whacked any on-board settings to defaults. I know my 1742 came configured for BIOS base address of CC000h, and I had to change it. It could be that your eth card has the same expectations as before, and your Disk controller is now arguing with it on it's home turf. I would check the BIOS base address for the AHA before suspecting the eth card. As for the comment regarding 8/16 bit controllers, this applies to systems using the 16-bit ISA bus, ie. all controllers in the Upper memory expansion range (640k-1024k) must have the same address resolution range, otherwise you get clashes between cards due to some cards improperly decoding 16-bit addresses and creating duplicate, "shadow" address ranges that could overlap. Rob -- Witticisms are hard to define on Monday mornings... schofiel@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~schofiel rschof@mccomm.nl From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 24 05:11:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA27663 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA27658; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from chain-work.iafrica.com (khetan@chain-work.iafrica.com [196.31.1.66]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA18583 ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 05:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain-work.iafrica.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00266; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:09:53 +0200 (SAT) X-Authentication-Warning: chain-work.iafrica.com: khetan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:09:52 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: DPT PM2024 Message-ID: X-Alternate-Address: gjjkhe01@sonnenberg.uct.ac.za X-PGP-Fingerprint: FF F9 1C B8 39 06 1E CD 60 4C E8 57 2D A3 46 E7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there. I just wanted to know what the progress of the DPT SCSI card support in FreeBSD was. I saw quite a lot of mail in the archives around May 1996, but nothing since then. I've asked Bob Willcox, but he hasn't been able to work on it. If anyone's got anything, I'd really appreciate it. TIA, --- Khetan Gajjar [ http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan] I'm a FreeBSD User! [ http://www.freebsd.org ] PGP Key [finger khetan@chain.iafrica.com] UUNet Internet Africa [0800-030-002 & help@iafrica.com] From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 24 08:53:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07041 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:53:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07035 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sophia.inria.fr by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA24323 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:52:20 -0800 Received: from chouette.inria.fr by sophia.inria.fr (8.8.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA00789 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:46:03 +0100 (MET) Received: by chouette.inria.fr (8.8.3/8.6.12) id RAA09096; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:46:02 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 17:46:02 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199701241646.RAA09096@chouette.inria.fr> From: Emmanuel Duros To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Lance driver: pb with Multicast ! Reply-To: Emmanuel.Duros@sophia.inria.fr Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am using FreeBSD 2.2-961006-SNAP. My configuration is a Pentium Pro with a the following Ethernet adapter : Proexpert Prosum 10Mb PCI based on a AMD 79C970A chip I compiled the kernel with the device lnc0 and the controller pci0. The card seems to be correctly detected, I get the following msg at boot up: lnc1 rev 22 int a irq 9 on pci0:13 lnc1: NE2100 (C-LANCE) address 00:c0:fd:10:07:7f The card works fine except for Multicast which was not enable in the driver code. I modified slightly the code adding : #define LNC_MULTICAST that was commented out. I also added the IFF_MULTICAST to the following line (lnc_init() function): sc->arpcom.ac_if.if_flags |= IFF_BROADCAST | IFF_SIMPLEX | IFF_MULTICAST; Now I can transmit multicast datagrams but I can not receive any. Any help would be appreciated !!! Thanks Emmanuel PS: could you also reply to my email address... From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 24 11:19:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13884 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [140.174.204.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA13875 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:19:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id LAA13945 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:11:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:11:38 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199701241911.LAA13945@monk.via.net> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: NCR SCSI problem X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE. Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: ncr0 rev 3 int a irq 10 on pci0:10 Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): "IBM XP31070W !x 81K6" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled. Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: 1074MB (2199878 512 byte sectors) Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: (ncr0:1:0): "SEAGATE ST15150N 0014" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: sd1(ncr0:1:0): Direct-Access Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: sd1(ncr0:1:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: 4095MB (8388315 512 byte sectors) Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: (ncr0:2:0): "SEAGATE ST15150N 0011" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: sd2(ncr0:2:0): Direct-Access Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: sd2(ncr0:2:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: 4095MB (8388315 512 byte sectors) Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: (ncr0:4:0): "SEAGATE ST15230N 0298" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Jan 24 11:02:31 news /kernel: sd3(ncr0:4:0): Direct-Access Jan 24 11:02:31 news /kernel: sd3(ncr0:4:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jan 24 11:02:31 news /kernel: 4112MB (8422643 512 byte sectors) I'm using a Symbios '875 PCI card with 1 Fast-Wide drive and 3 narrow drives. About twice a week we have a crash. Luckily, last night it didn't reboot, so we could see the messages. sd0(ncr:0:0:0) COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f11b0a00 assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c line 5560 swap_pager: I/O error - pagein failed error 5 vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware error) Are there known problem with this (or any other NCR) card? This machine is used as a news server, so it gets lots of activity. -joe From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 24 12:27:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17513 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17506 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-49.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA01204 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:27:42 +0100 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.4/8.6.9) id VAA00878; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:27:50 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:27:50 +0100 From: se@freebsd.org (Stefan Esser) To: joe@via.net (Joe McGuckin) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NCR SCSI problem References: <199701241911.LAA13945@monk.via.net> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55-PL15 Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199701241911.LAA13945@monk.via.net>; from Joe McGuckin on Jan 24, 1997 11:11:38 -0800 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jan 24, joe@via.net (Joe McGuckin) wrote: > FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE. > > Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: ncr0 rev 3 int a irq 10 on pci0:10 > Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: ncr0 waiting for scsi devices to settle > Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: (ncr0:0:0): "IBM XP31070W !x 81K6" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): Direct-Access > Jan 24 11:02:29 news /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled. > Jan 24 11:02:30 news /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. > I'm using a Symbios '875 PCI card with 1 Fast-Wide drive and 3 narrow drives. > > About twice a week we have a crash. Luckily, last night it didn't reboot, so > we could see the messages. > > sd0(ncr:0:0:0) COMMAND FAILED (4 28) @f11b0a00 The 28 above indicates a "Queue Full" condition, which means that the command failed because of resource exhaustion. (The default of 4 tagged commands should not cause this, but it is possible, that some device can't deal with even that number of active commands in certain situations). You may try with less tags allowed for target 0: # ncrcontrol -t 0 -s tags=2 (Or completely disable tags with "tags=0".) > assertion "cp" failed: file "../../pci/ncr.c line 5560 > > swap_pager: I/O error - pagein failed error 5 > vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware error) The SCSI code in 2.2 is much more robust. It retries commands in such situations, and most probably would have recovered from the Queue Full condition. > Are there known problem with this (or any other NCR) card? This > machine is used as a news server, so it gets lots of activity. The most likely cause of your problem is the lack of SCSI command retries in 2.1.x. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 25 00:23:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24213 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [140.174.204.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24208 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id AAA15585 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:16:27 -0800 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:16:27 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199701250816.AAA15585@monk.via.net> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Symbios (NCR) '875 SCSI card question... X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This PCI card has 3 connectors - or which any 2 may be used at the same time. I connected a WIDE drive to one internal connector, and a chain of narrow drives to the external WIDE connector (using a wide to narrow adaptor cable). With both sets of drives connected, the board cannot probe out any drives. If I disconnect either the internal WIDE drive or the external narrow drives, the card will probe out the remaining drives that are connected. Has anyone else seen this behavoir? -joe From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 25 01:31:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA26157 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from maelstrom.dial.pipex.net (maelstrom.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26152 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 01:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaat81.dial.pipex.com by maelstrom.dial.pipex.net (8.8.3/) id JAA08273; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 09:31:24 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970125092841.006a1e94@pop.dial.pipex.com> X-Sender: aat81@pop.dial.pipex.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 09:29:11 +0000 To: Joe McGuckin From: Simon Reading Subject: Re: Symbios (NCR) '875 SCSI card question... Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 00:16 25/01/97 -0800, you wrote: > >This PCI card has 3 connectors - or which any 2 may be used at >the same time. >I connected a WIDE drive to one internal connector, and a chain >of narrow drives to the external WIDE connector (using a wide to >narrow adaptor cable). >With both sets of drives connected, the board cannot probe out any >drives. If I disconnect either the internal WIDE drive or the external >narrow drives, the card will probe out the remaining drives that are >connected. >Has anyone else seen this behavoir? A friend of mine had a dell PC come with an NCR scsi card (can't remember which one). He needed to connect to external and internal harddrives. He was using DOS and Windows (fear and loathing) and he got intermittent read and write errors with both drives connected. With either disconnected it was fine. Both devices were properly terminated. Then in the dell manual in the small print it said 'you cannot connect internal and external drives at the same time'. Incredible?! He got around this problem by installing an additional scsi card. Regards Simon From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 25 02:55:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA28461 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA28443; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from baloon.mimi.com (ncr-us9-06.ix.netcom.com [204.31.236.198]) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA15382; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:55:11 -0800 Received: (from asami@localhost) by baloon.mimi.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id CAA29748; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:55:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:55:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701251055.CAA29748@baloon.mimi.com> To: joe@via.net CC: hardware@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199701250816.AAA15585@monk.via.net> (message from Joe McGuckin on Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:16:27 -0800) Subject: Re: Symbios (NCR) '875 SCSI card question... From: asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * From: Joe McGuckin Moved to "scsi".... * With both sets of drives connected, the board cannot probe out any * drives. If I disconnect either the internal WIDE drive or the external * narrow drives, the card will probe out the remaining drives that are * connected. Have you turned off termination on the card? Or maybe the external wide to narrow cable is not handling some wires right, try terminating only the high bits on the card. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 25 10:33:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11814 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA11804 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA15643; Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:29:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199701251829.NAA15643@persprog.com> Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015641; Sat Jan 25 13:29:32 1997 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 25 Jan 97 13:29:35 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 25 Jan 97 13:29:06 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 13:28:57 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Symbios (NCR) '875 SCSI card question... Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19970125092841.006a1e94@pop.dial.pipex.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.50) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 25 Jan 97 at 9:29, Simon Reading proclaimed: > A friend of mine had a dell PC come with an NCR scsi card (can't remember > which one). He needed to connect to external and internal harddrives. He > was using DOS and Windows (fear and loathing) and he got intermittent read > and write errors with both drives connected. With either disconnected it > was fine. Both devices were properly terminated. Then in the dell manual > in the small print it said 'you cannot connect internal and external drives > at the same time'. Incredible?! > He got around this problem by installing an additional scsi card. Fortunately, most Symbios Logic chip based cards do not have this problem. I wonder who made the card for the Dell? Sounds like one to avoid, in any event. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose fantasy. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ======================================