From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Apr 6 01:00:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03620 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 01:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA03605 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 01:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA23549; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 01:00:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19970406010029.00769@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 01:00:29 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: "Serge G. Kruk" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Digiboard PC/8i References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: ; from Serge G. Kruk on Sat, Apr 05, 1997 at 05:14:49PM -0500 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Serge G. Kruk scribbled this message on Apr 5: > Can anyone help? > FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE #1: Sat Apr 5 05:33:13 EST 1997 > root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC > CPU: Pentium (166.19-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 > Features=0x1bf > real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) > avail memory = 30515200 (29800K bytes) > > dgb0: PC/Xi 128K > dgb0 at 0x320-0x323 maddr 0xd00000 msize 131072 on isa > dgb0: BIOS download failed > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Why would it failed? Any idea? ?????????????????? > > > Here is the config entry, just in case... > device dgb0 at isa? port 0x320 iomem 0xd00000 iosiz ? tty looks like you have one to many zeros at the end of iomem... it should look something like: dgb0: PC/Xe 64/8K (windowed) dgb0 at 0x320-0x323 maddr 0xd0000 msize 8192 on isa dgb0: 2 ports I had the same problem you did... once I fixed the memory address all went well... hope this works.. ttyl... -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 05:58:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA12601 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 05:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA12596 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 05:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07220; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:02:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:02:19 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: Tom Gidden Subject: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have to build two identical servers here. These machines are going to be identical as it makes my life a lot easier, both for purchasing and upgrades/kernels etc. They both have to do: DNS, WEB serving (for clients), Samba , CAP and web serve about 60 virtual hosts. The web serving is for clients, and one of the more important things is that prospect clients are impressed with the server (god knows why they think we need more than a 286 =) Anyway, I'm stuck on which processors to go for. So, I have a list of questions and if anyone can answer any or all of them I'll be very happy. 1) Is the Pentium Pro 200 much faster than the Pentium 200 and if so, what sort of %age gains can I expect. 2) Is the Pentium 200 with 512k cache much better than the 256k cache version and again what sort of %age gains can be expected with the 512k version. Overclocking: 3) Is overclocking the motherboard viable/safe ? Has anyone actually had experience with m/b clocked at 83MHz ? 4) Is overclocking the processor sensible? e.g. If I overclock the motherboard to 83MHz then I can run the processor at 207.5 MHz at *2.5, in theory this should give me faster memory access (with SDRAM) and a faster PCI bus. Is this worth it? 5) As far as I can tell, Pentiums allow the motherboard to be overclocked to 83MHz or more and Pentium Pro's don't. Is this correct ? 6) Dual Processor, what are the options like ? I was thinking of going for a dual processor m/b and only using one processor with the option to upgrade. (clients might like this idea) Many thanks for any comments. Steve Roome From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 07:44:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16402 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA16394 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA30626; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:43:58 -0500 Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com(204.124.123.250) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma030606; Mon Apr 7 09:43:33 1997 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [10.0.11.30]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA03770; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:44:15 -0500 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA03324; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:44:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704071444.JAA03324@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0beta 12/23/96 To: "Serge G. Kruk" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Digiboard PC/8i In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Apr 1997 17:14:49 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 09:44:15 -0500 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Serge G. Kruk" writes: >Can anyone help? >FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE #1: Sat Apr 5 05:33:13 EST 1997 > root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC >CPU: Pentium (166.19-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 > Features=0x1bf >real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) >avail memory = 30515200 (29800K bytes) > >dgb0: PC/Xi 128K >dgb0 at 0x320-0x323 maddr 0xd00000 msize 131072 on isa >dgb0: BIOS download failed > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Why would it failed? Any idea? ?????????????????? because 128k is an awfully large chunk to be asking for. On at least one of my motherboards, I have to change the bios to allow a hole for even the 64k Digi's. Is any other card using a maddr between 0xd00000 and 0x1000000? what does the rest of dmesg say? >Thanks > >Serge > eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 09:41:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22330 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22325 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA02731; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:40:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Stephen Roome cc: hardware@freebsd.org, Tom Gidden Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Apr 1997 14:02:19 BST." Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 09:40:47 -0700 Message-ID: <2727.860431247@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1) Is the Pentium Pro 200 much faster than the > Pentium 200 and if so, what sort of %age gains > can I expect. It's a fair bit faster and YMMV, of course, but 30-40% is not an unreasonable expectation. The core technology really has improved; it's not just another 486 inside with deeper pipelines and a faster clock. > 2) Is the Pentium 200 with 512k cache much better > than the 256k cache version and again what sort > of %age gains can be expected with the 512k version. Not enough to make it work the current cost delta. > Overclocking: > 3) Is overclocking the motherboard viable/safe ? > Has anyone actually had experience with m/b clocked > at 83MHz ? I clock my P6/200 at 233Mhz and it seems to work just fine. Many others I know are doing the same without any ill effects. Other kinds of overclocking I simply don't know about. > 6) Dual Processor, what are the options like ? > I was thinking of going for a dual processor m/b > and only using one processor with the option to > upgrade. (clients might like this idea) The Tyan motherboard dual-P6 MB is quite nice. I'm probably going to get one for freefall just because you can stick a lot more memory in the dual-processor model. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 11:06:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27872 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27849 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10880; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:09:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:09:08 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hardware@freebsd.org, Tom Gidden Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <2727.860431247@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > 1) Is the Pentium Pro 200 much faster than the > > Pentium 200 and if so, what sort of %age gains > > can I expect. > > It's a fair bit faster and YMMV, of course, but 30-40% is not an > unreasonable expectation. The core technology really has improved; > it's not just another 486 inside with deeper pipelines and a faster > clock. I've just talked to a friend here though who reminded be about the AMD K6, that will (apparently) be socket 7 (pentium board compatible). So... Is it worth going for a pentium board especially if the K6 is going to be all it's hyped up to be or not ? (assuming it comes out soon) > > > 2) Is the Pentium 200 with 512k cache much better > > than the 256k cache version and again what sort > > of %age gains can be expected with the 512k version. > > Not enough to make it work the current cost delta. That's good as we couldn't really afford it anyway. > > > Overclocking: > > 3) Is overclocking the motherboard viable/safe ? > > Has anyone actually had experience with m/b clocked > > at 83MHz ? > > I clock my P6/200 at 233Mhz and it seems to work just fine. Many > others I know are doing the same without any ill effects. Other kinds > of overclocking I simply don't know about. I was also very interested in overclocking the motherboard bus speed. If I clock the motherboard at 75MHz or 83MHz (or perhaps even 100MHz ?) then I would expect some improvements in the I/O etc. which these computers might really benefit from. Is the ratio between CPU and Bus speed optimal at some level ? *2 better than *2.5 for example ? > > > 6) Dual Processor, what are the options like ? > > I was thinking of going for a dual processor m/b > > and only using one processor with the option to > > upgrade. (clients might like this idea) > > The Tyan motherboard dual-P6 MB is quite nice. I'm probably > going to get one for freefall just because you can stick a lot > more memory in the dual-processor model. > > Jordan > I'm probably only going to stick 64MB (SDRAM) in each of these machines as they really don't *need* much more (it'd be nice but expensive), and most boards I've seen (or any I'd consider) have >64MB of cacheable memory anyway. Assuming I go with a pentium board (while waiting for the K6) then I'd clock the MB at 75/83MHz, and the processor slightly higher than rated. Most probably with one of the ASUS or ABIT boards. Particularly the Asus P/I-P55T2P4 Rev 3.0 (or higher) FEither that or the jumperless ABIT board (IT5V ?), which makes sense as I have an old ABIT PH5 board at home which still flies in comparison with even some of the newer VX boards here at work (especially after the BIOS upgrade which seems to use the EDO better). The question now is: Can I clock the memory bus at more than 66MHz on any of the PPro boards ? As far as I can tell it'll be mostly for the clients that we get a Pentium Pro. (they really think we need a Power Onyx to server 5 pages at one hit per week) But for our own internal file serving I'd be happiest with anything I can do to speed up the memory. (66Mhz to 75Mhz could be 12% faster, but just imagine 83MHz memory.) Steve Roome. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 11:36:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01211 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:36:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01206 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA03291; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) To: Stephen Roome cc: hardware@freebsd.org, Tom Gidden Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Apr 1997 19:09:08 BST." Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:35:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3284.860438116@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've just talked to a friend here though who reminded be about > the AMD K6, that will (apparently) be socket 7 (pentium board compatible). > So... Is it worth going for a pentium board especially if the K6 is going > to be all it's hyped up to be or not ? (assuming it comes out soon) Maybe. We'll have to see when the bloody thing actually comes out, won't we? :-) I've read all the K6 specs AMD has up on their web site and I agree that it looks cooler-than-heck. If they're under $1K, I'll buy one immediately to upgrade my P5 system. However, I'm still going to wait until I see them on sale at Fry's Electronics (local computer supply bordello here in the valley) before I start factoring them into any of my decisions. ;-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 12:24:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03753 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03728 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id OAA07577; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:16:17 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007573; Mon Apr 7 15:16:10 1997 Message-ID: <334947FA.306D@persprog.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:16:10 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Roome CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Roome wrote: > > I've just talked to a friend here though who reminded be about > the AMD K6, that will (apparently) be socket 7 (pentium board compatible). > So... Is it worth going for a pentium board especially if the K6 is going > to be all it's hyped up to be or not ? (assuming it comes out soon) > The AMD K6 was released on April 2. You can order it now (at least in the 200 Mhz version). I know of one chip dealer that is offering it now. Does anyone know if this CPU has multiprocessor support? -- David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 12:31:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04207 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04200 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id OAA07605; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:21:18 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007603; Mon Apr 7 15:21:12 1997 Message-ID: <33494928.7078@persprog.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:21:12 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Roome CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Roome wrote: > I'm probably only going to stick 64MB (SDRAM) in each of these machines > as they really don't *need* much more (it'd be nice but expensive), and > most boards I've seen (or any I'd consider) have >64MB of cacheable > memory anyway. The VX and the TX chipsets only support caching of 64 Meg which might explain why you have encountered this limitation. The HX chipset will cache much more (although I can't remember how much more - 512Meg ?) and also supports multiple processors. Of course, the motherboard has to support caching greater than 64Meg as well. -- David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 12:46:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05011 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05006 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id JAA15086; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970407194621.008a76bc@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:46:21 -0700 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" From: Kedar Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, Tom Gidden Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >The Tyan motherboard dual-P6 MB is quite nice. I'm probably >going to get one for freefall just because you can stick a lot >more memory in the dual-processor model. The Tyan 1662 is available in the single-CPU version with the same number of SIMM slots. I presume you speak of the Tacoma (with 6, rather than 8). As for the SIMMS, I would definetely suggest using either Unigen(Tyan recommended) or Kingston SIMMS if this is to be a server, and there are any plans of going above 128MB. AMD K6: We are going to be testing it as soon as we can lay a hand of one. There was some mention adding a CPU down the line. The k-6 will not do SMP (OPIC Logiv vs APIC logic) as of now. I know *nothing* about over-clocking. :) Kedar. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 12:47:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05073 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05059 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id OAA09361; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:32:09 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009359; Mon Apr 7 15:32:02 1997 Message-ID: <33494BB2.2DE0@persprog.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:32:02 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: Stephen Roome , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3284.860438116@time.cdrom.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I've read all the K6 specs AMD has up on their web site and I agree > that it looks cooler-than-heck. If they're under $1K, I'll buy one > immediately to upgrade my P5 system. However, I'm still going to wait > until I see them on sale at Fry's Electronics (local computer supply > bordello here in the valley) before I start factoring them into any > of my decisions. ;-) > At http:/www.esc-ca.com the K6-200 is priced at $438.35 for qty. 1. They also offer it on an Abit motherboard for $579 (all prices US). Whether they really have them or not is another matter. This is not an endorsement - it's just the only place I've seen the raw processor for sale. Your P5 motherboard will need dual voltage CPU support (just like the MMX Pentium's and 6x86L) and you will also need a recent BIOS (for AWARD - newer than 03/01/97). See http:/www.amd.com/k6 for details. -- David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 13:09:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06359 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (root@po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06353 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from protocol.eng.umd.edu (protocol.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.180]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04718; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by protocol.eng.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA15726; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:08:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: protocol.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:08:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@protocol.eng.umd.edu To: Dave Alderman cc: Stephen Roome , hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <334947FA.306D@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > Stephen Roome wrote: > > > > > I've just talked to a friend here though who reminded be about > > the AMD K6, that will (apparently) be socket 7 (pentium board compatible). > > So... Is it worth going for a pentium board especially if the K6 is going > > to be all it's hyped up to be or not ? (assuming it comes out soon) > > > > The AMD K6 was released on April 2. You can order it now (at least in > the 200 Mhz version). I know of one chip dealer that is offering it > now. > > Does anyone know if this CPU has multiprocessor support? Not for FreeBSD. The basic interprocessor communications is done by the APIC hardware, of which there are two flavors: Intel's patented APIC design, and everyone else's OpenApic. Only trouble is, all the existing motherboards, and FreeBSD's software, support Intel's APIC design, not OpenApic. I'm not aware that there's any support in any OS for OpenApic, or in any motherboard that's available. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 14:02:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12856 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (sc-gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12847 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA10754; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:41:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199704072041.OAA10754@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Chuck Robey cc: Dave Alderman , Stephen Roome , hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Apr 1997 16:08:42 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 14:41:59 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > Does anyone know if this CPU has multiprocessor support? > > Not for FreeBSD. The basic interprocessor communications is done by the > APIC hardware, of which there are two flavors: Intel's patented APIC > design, and everyone else's OpenApic. Only trouble is, all the existing > motherboards, and FreeBSD's software, support Intel's APIC design, not > OpenApic. I'm not aware that there's any support in any OS for OpenApic, > or in any motherboard that's available. For the record, there is no reason FreeBSD won't be able to support OpenApic once there are CPUs/MBs readily available. It's just that till they do become available we have many more important things to worry about! -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 14:29:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14401 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14395 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA03879; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:29:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Kedar cc: hardware@freebsd.org, Tom Gidden Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:46:21 PDT." <2.2.32.19970407194621.008a76bc@gw1> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 14:29:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3875.860448559@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >The Tyan motherboard dual-P6 MB is quite nice. I'm probably > >going to get one for freefall just because you can stick a lot > >more memory in the dual-processor model. > > The Tyan 1662 is available in the single-CPU version with the same > number of SIMM slots. I presume you speak of the Tacoma (with 6, rather > than 8). Ah, yes, I was probably confused then. Hmmm! Sounds like I want a 1662 then since we're probably never going to run freefall.freebsd.org under an SMP kernel; even if SMP works fabulously, that machine always stays about a rev or two behind the technology curve given that it's just too important to risk. :-) > As for the SIMMS, I would definetely suggest using either > Unigen(Tyan recommended) or Kingston SIMMS if this is to be a server, and > there are any plans of going above 128MB. Thanks for the recommendation. Unfortunately, (well, fortunately too, but) the parts for this "freefall II" machine are being donated by the FreeBSD user community and I'm going to have to take whatever memory I can get. :-) We'll probably try to get at least 64MB to start with since that's what we're running with now, but freefall could definitely stand an upgrade to 128MB - with all the people using the mailing list/web search feature, we have a lot of wais processes running there now. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 14:33:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14716 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14711 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA03898; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:32:15 -0700 (PDT) To: dave@persprog.com cc: Stephen Roome , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Apr 1997 15:32:02 EDT." <33494BB2.2DE0@persprog.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 14:32:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3894.860448735@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At http:/www.esc-ca.com the K6-200 is priced at $438.35 for qty. 1. > They also offer it on an Abit motherboard for $579 (all prices US). > Whether they really have them or not is another matter. This is not an > endorsement - it's just the only place I've seen the raw processor for > sale. Your P5 motherboard will need dual voltage CPU support (just like > the MMX Pentium's and 6x86L) and you will also need a recent BIOS (for > AWARD - newer than 03/01/97). See http:/www.amd.com/k6 for details. Good information to know, thanks! I'll have to check the BIOS revision and supplier for my ASUS P54TP4 motherboard since that's basically what we have in all the P5 machines around here (we had some older Neptune-based MBs lying around, but I think they're all retired now). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 7 22:34:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17918 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17913 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17087; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:33:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Dave Alderman cc: Stephen Roome , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <33494928.7078@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > The VX and the TX chipsets only support caching of 64 Meg which might > explain why you have encountered this limitation. The HX chipset will > cache much more (although I can't remember how much more - 512Meg ?) and > also supports multiple processors. Of course, the motherboard has to > support caching greater than 64Meg as well. I thought the TX was supposed to be better than the HX chipset. At any rate, is it better to get the new ASUS TX97 motherboards with the TX chipset or the HX? Also, is the ATX form-factor the way to go or is the standard AT footprint still supported even for future motherboards? I'm thinking about getting another machine but didn't know if I should go the ATX route or not. Like what are the advantages and disadvantages of ATX? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 8 10:58:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20966 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (sc-gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20957 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23341; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:58:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199704081758.LAA23341@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Vincent Poy cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 Apr 1997 22:33:10 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 11:58:14 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, --- > I thought the TX was supposed to be better than the HX chipset. only in the minds of intel sales reps... --- > At any rate, is it better to get the new ASUS TX97 motherboards with the > TX chipset or the HX? hx. --- > Also, is the ATX form-factor the way to go or is > the standard AT footprint still supported even for future motherboards? > I'm thinking about getting another machine but didn't know if I should go > the ATX route or not. Like what are the advantages and disadvantages of > ATX? I really like the ATX, advantages include: all cards slots are full length onbaord serial/parallel connectors are on the MB, no cables. disadvantasges: you need an ATX case, the selection of which is pretty dismal at this point. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 8 12:24:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25332 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25323 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 12:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id OAA14075; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 14:15:29 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma014066; Tue Apr 8 15:15:11 1997 Message-ID: <334A9941.45A5@persprog.com> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 15:15:13 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Vincent Poy wrote: > > I thought the TX was supposed to be better than the HX chipset. > At any rate, is it better to get the new ASUS TX97 motherboards with the > TX chipset or the HX? Also, is the ATX form-factor the way to go or is > the standard AT footprint still supported even for future motherboards? > I'm thinking about getting another machine but didn't know if I should go > the ATX route or not. Like what are the advantages and disadvantages of > ATX? I believe the TX chipset is faster if you use SDRAM and you do not need more than 64 Meg of RAM. I'm sure someone can point you to some benchmark results (hint, hint). The HX is better for those who need more "server"-like features such as greater than 64 Meg of RAM support and multiple processor support. The HX does not support SDRAM (only EDO and FPM). Note: The TX does allow you to use more than 64meg but it does not cache it - not very useful IMHO. For Pentiums, Intel has not provided a single chipset that is clearly superior - it really depends on your needs. The VX chipset I think is obsolete unless there are serious cost savings involved. Serious Disclaimer: I have not tested the TX with FreeBSD (yet). Maybe someone else can comment on this? Does anyone know if the VIA Apollo VP2 is any better? What about the new AMD CMD640 chipset (which is based on the VP2 - maybe it IS the VP2)? -- David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 8 23:19:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29226 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA29219; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 23:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id IAA27699; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:15:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) id IAA01674; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:08:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970409080842.00938@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:08:42 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: smp@freebsd.org Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: have a Tyan Titan Pro up and running Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-SMP Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Steve and the others ! Since yesterday evening I'm "powered by FreeBSD-SMP" ;-) Machine: Tyan Titan Pro ATX Dual PPro 200 64 MB Ram 2 x AHA2940 If there is some testing work to do in the SMP area, please tell me. I only have to write two articles for German magazines, then I have some extra time ;-) I had so far only one panic which might be the result of too much tweaking the DRAM read cycles ... I would be interested to share experiences with BIOS settings. If you have the same board, please tell me your settings. BTW, I was unable to get my 10MBit ISA network card working again. On my former ASUS mainborad I was able to tell the BIOS, that it should reserve 16 Kbyte beginning from CC000. It isn't possible in Tyans award BIOS ... Does somebody have a hint, how to get the SMC Elite 16 up and running ? Do I need other settings then the default settings of the card which are: device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xcc000 vector edintr Andreas /// -- andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 05:19:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA15911 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15904 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA04990; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Steve Passe cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <199704081758.LAA23341@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Steve Passe wrote: Hi Steve, > > I thought the TX was supposed to be better than the HX chipset. > only in the minds of intel sales reps... Actually, it wasn't Intel sales reps. It was the ASUS homepage. > > At any rate, is it better to get the new ASUS TX97 motherboards with the > > TX chipset or the HX? > hx. That's what I got today. The ASUS XP55TP2 HX based ATX board. The reason was simply the TX was a upgrade to the VX and only supported 64MB of ram for the cache and not 512MB like the HX did. > > Also, is the ATX form-factor the way to go or is > > the standard AT footprint still supported even for future motherboards? > > I'm thinking about getting another machine but didn't know if I should go > > the ATX route or not. Like what are the advantages and disadvantages of > > ATX? > > I really like the ATX, advantages include: > > all cards slots are full length I thought even the non-ATX, all slots were still full length? > onbaord serial/parallel connectors are on the MB, no cables. Only problem with that is both serial ports are 9 pins, some devices need straight 25 pin wiring. Another thing is USB is standard with the ATX boards and also PS/2 mouse while it isn't on the non-ATX. > disadvantasges: > > you need an ATX case, the selection of which is pretty dismal at this point. That's what I got, for some reason, my case can be ATX or AT simply by changing the power supply. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 05:30:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA16453 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA16448 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA05039; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Dave Alderman cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <334A9941.45A5@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > > I thought the TX was supposed to be better than the HX chipset. > > At any rate, is it better to get the new ASUS TX97 motherboards with the > > TX chipset or the HX? Also, is the ATX form-factor the way to go or is > > the standard AT footprint still supported even for future motherboards? > > I'm thinking about getting another machine but didn't know if I should go > > the ATX route or not. Like what are the advantages and disadvantages of > > ATX? > > I believe the TX chipset is faster if you use SDRAM and you do not need > more than 64 Meg of RAM. I'm sure someone can point you to some > benchmark results (hint, hint). The HX is better for those who need > more "server"-like features such as greater than 64 Meg of RAM support > and multiple processor support. The HX does not support SDRAM (only EDO > and FPM). Note: The TX does allow you to use more than 64meg but it > does not cache it - not very useful IMHO. Hmmm, what is SDRAM exactly? Is it just 168 pin dimms? It's kind of weird why the motherboards support 256MB of RAM when the chipset will only cache 64MB. When it doesn't cache anything above 64MB, is it supposed to degrade performance a lot even for the first 64MB's? I wonder what the cache size limit is with the 430FX. > For Pentiums, Intel has not provided a single chipset that is clearly > superior - it really depends on your needs. The VX chipset I think is > obsolete unless there are serious cost savings involved. I thought the Neptune was the crappy one which got replaced by the Triton I, then the Triton II is better than the Trion I. The VX was more of a slim down version of the II and the TX is just a replacement for the VX? > Serious Disclaimer: I have not tested the TX with FreeBSD (yet). Maybe > someone else can comment on this? Hopefully but I don't think anyone will get a TX board after all the comments ;-) > Does anyone know if the VIA Apollo VP2 is any better? What about the > new AMD CMD640 chipset (which is based on the VP2 - maybe it IS the > VP2)? It seems the ASUS motherboards are the most recommended for FreeBSD atleast and it should be the Intel Triton II HX chipset based boards. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 08:10:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24555 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from px.f1.ru (root@px.f1.ru [194.87.86.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24495 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from am@localhost) by px.f1.ru (8.8.5/amsoft/1.0) id TAA04970 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:07:59 +0400 (MSD) From: Andrew Maltsev Message-Id: <199704091507.TAA04970@px.f1.ru> Subject: Serial multiport cards recommendations wanted To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:07:59 +0400 (MSD) Reply-To: am@amsoft.ru Reply-To: am@f1.ru Organization: F1 communications X-Phone: +7-086-229-9988 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL27 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Is there any `FreeBSD-recommended' serial multi-port cards for 16 or 32 ports? Card should be able to work on no less than 57600 on all 16 ports in Pentium 100 box.. What about Cyclades? Is Cyclades driver stable enough for using under 40..60% constant load? I'll very appreciate any suggestions. Andrew. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 08:37:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26699 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA26692 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id IAA27735; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:43:24 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id LAA04385; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:35:01 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA29501; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:35:01 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA01745; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:35:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:35:09 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199704091535.KAA01745@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? References: <334A9941.45A5@persprog.com> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Vincent Poy on Wed, 9 April: : : Hopefully but I don't think anyone will get a TX board after all : the comments ;-) : I beg to differ. It is the only set supporting SDRAM! It seems one's choice is between a fast small memory system and a slow large memory one. An unpleasant tradeoff, to be sure, but I would expect anyone who intends not to add more than 64MB RAM to the current generation motherboard to prefer the SDRAM support. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 09:13:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29062 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29055 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id GAA09536; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970409161555.0097bbe8@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:15:55 -0700 To: Vincent Poy From: Kedar Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I thought even the non-ATX, all slots were still full length? It is not the slots, but the cards that one refers to, I believe. In the AT style boards, the CPU fan tends to come in the way of full-length cards. We did manage to find a couple of AT boards that allowed us to do that. With the ATX boards, it's easier, and more versatile to use some of the huge sound or graphics cards and such. YMMV, Kedar. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 09:17:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29321 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.htl.rhno.columbia.edu (winston.htl.rhno.columbia.edu [128.59.233.162]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29309 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shampoo.htl.rhno.columbia.edu (shampoo.htl.rhno.columbia.edu [128.59.233.160]) by winston.htl.rhno.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03792 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970409111151.007b3580@winston.htl.rhno.columbia.edu> X-Sender: greg@winston.htl.rhno.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:11:51 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Gregory Chew Subject: problems with SCSI CDROM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone... I'm having problems configuring my SCSI CDROM drive..The SCSI card works fine (It's an Adaptec AVA-1515, chipset supported by FreeBSD). The CDROM drive (NEC 3xi) is even detected. However, once everything is booted, the CDROM starts timing out in about five minutes and I have to reboot. I'm currently running FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE. Can anyone help me with this issue? Thanks! Greg ______Gregory Chew_____________________________________________________ |email: grc8@columbia.edu http://winston.htl.rhno.columbia.edu/~greg | |phone: (212) 853-6583 http://www.columbia.edu/~grc8 | |beeper: (917) 983-0257 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 10:08:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02324 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.lariat.org ([129.72.251.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02319 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solo.lariat.org ([129.72.251.10]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04568; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970409110317.006d85b4@lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@lariat.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:08:18 -0600 To: grc8@columbia.edu, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: problems with SCSI CDROM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:11 AM 4/9/97 -0300, grc8@columbia.edu wrote: >I'm having problems configuring my SCSI CDROM drive. A number of 2.1.1 users appear to be having trouble with SCSI CD-ROM drives. Are the relevant developers looking into this? I'd do so, but right now all of my FreeBSD systems are running proprietary Mitsumi interfaces. (The drives are slow, but too useful to throw out.) --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 10:25:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02854 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abacus.tioga.net (root@abacus.tioga.net [208.133.255.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02849 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from icebear.tioga.net (tbalfe@icebear.tioga.net [208.133.255.15]) by abacus.tioga.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03311; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:24:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Thomas J Balfe To: bsdnet@lamb.net cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: AMD K5-PR166 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here are some benchmarks I did. - Asus P55T2P4 Rev 3.10 with 512K L2 Cache - 64MB memory - AMD K5-PR166 The benchmarks are available on ftp://ftp.nosc.mil/pub/aburto icebear: {27} uname -a FreeBSD icebear.tioga.net 2.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE #0: Tue Mar 25 15:12:02 GMT 1997 jkh@time.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 icebear: {28} gcc -v gcc version 2.7.2.1 Sieve of Eratosthenes (Scaled to 10 Iterations) Version 1.2b, 26 Sep 1992 Array Size Number Last Prime Linear RunTime MIPS (Bytes) of Primes Time(sec) (Sec) 8191 1899 16381 0.010 0.010 160.1 10000 2261 19997 0.013 0.014 144.3 20000 4202 39989 0.025 0.035 117.0 40000 7836 79999 0.051 0.078 106.6 80000 14683 160001 0.101 0.165 102.0 160000 27607 319993 0.202 0.339 100.6 320000 52073 639997 0.404 0.686 100.4 640000 98609 1279997 0.809 1.542 90.2 1280000 187133 2559989 1.618 3.418 82.2 2560000 356243 5119997 3.236 7.387 76.7 Relative to 10 Iterations and the 8191 Array Size: Average RunTime = 0.017 (sec) High MIPS = 160.1 Low MIPS = 76.7 FLOPS C Program (Double Precision), V2.0 18 Dec 1992 Module Error RunTime MFLOPS (usec) 1 4.9738e-14 1.1869 11.7951 2 1.3189e-13 0.8395 8.3383 3 1.9096e-14 0.6987 24.3306 4 -6.6613e-15 0.6642 22.5831 5 -1.6653e-14 1.8675 15.5292 6 3.3584e-14 1.2271 23.6326 7 5.2523e-11 2.3781 5.0460 8 -4.5519e-14 1.2884 23.2853 Iterations = 16000000 NullTime (usec) = 0.0121 MFLOPS(1) = 10.6205 MFLOPS(2) = 10.0284 MFLOPS(3) = 15.6805 MFLOPS(4) = 23.4633 -- Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 10:55:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04621 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04614 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA08240 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:55:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199704091755.LAA08240@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Apr 1997 10:35:09 CDT." <199704091535.KAA01745@compound.east.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:55:25 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I beg to differ. It is the only set supporting SDRAM! It seems one's > choice is between a fast small memory system and a slow large memory > one. An unpleasant tradeoff, to be sure, but I would expect anyone > who intends not to add more than 64MB RAM to the current generation > motherboard to prefer the SDRAM support. the numbers I've seen for SDRAM suggest there isn't much gained in REAL WORLD situations. Can't remember the specifics but do remember thinking at the time that I apparently wasn't missing anything.. just my 2cents worth... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 11:00:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04911 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04857 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA08293; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:59:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199704091759.LAA08293@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Kedar cc: Vincent Poy , hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Apr 1997 09:15:55 PDT." <2.2.32.19970409161555.0097bbe8@gw1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 11:59:40 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > I thought even the non-ATX, all slots were still full length? > > It is not the slots, but the cards that one refers to, I believe. yes, this is indeed what I meant, sorry about the confusion. BTW, I previously warned people that one problem with the gigabyte GA586DX was that they used an AT style power connector on this ATX form factor board, making case selection even harder. I am told by a vendor that gigabyte has changed to an ATX power connector several months ago. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 11:27:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06379 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06372 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA01707; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:33:45 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id OAA22246; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:26:43 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA05197; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:26:44 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA02162; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:26:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:26:53 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199704091826.NAA02162@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: smp@csn.net Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? References: <199704091535.KAA01745@compound.east.sun.com> <199704091755.LAA08240@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Steve Passe on Wed, 9 April: : the numbers I've seen for SDRAM suggest there isn't much gained in REAL WORLD : situations. Can't remember the specifics but do remember thinking at the time : that I apparently wasn't missing anything.. Yes, but... REAL WORLD is just another way of saying 'my application'. If you run data-intensive memory-walking codes, typical of scientific computations, SDRAM is a substantial win. If you run mostly from cache or random uncached locations, SDRAM is a wash. For my own typical applications, the REAL WORLD performance of SDRAM is substantially better than FPM/EDO/BEDO. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 12:13:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09530 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09525 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12254; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: Thomas J Balfe cc: bsdnet@Lamb.net, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, bsdnet@Alameda.net Subject: Re: AMD K5-PR166 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Thomas J Balfe wrote: > Here are some benchmarks I did. > > - Asus P55T2P4 Rev 3.10 with 512K L2 Cache > - 64MB memory > - AMD K5-PR166 K6-166 $245 K6-200 $425 Drool Drool Drool +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 13:10:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13730 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13723 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id PAA00316; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:05:17 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000311; Wed Apr 9 16:04:56 1997 Message-ID: <334BF670.5B7E@persprog.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 16:05:04 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b2 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199704091535.KAA01745@compound.east.sun.com> <199704091755.LAA08240@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> <199704091826.NAA02162@compound.east.sun.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball wrote: > > Yes, but... REAL WORLD is just another way of saying 'my application'. > If you run data-intensive memory-walking codes, typical of scientific > computations, SDRAM is a substantial win. If you run mostly from > cache or random uncached locations, SDRAM is a wash. For my own > typical applications, the REAL WORLD performance of SDRAM is > substantially better than FPM/EDO/BEDO. Let's not forget that SDRAM may show better performance with the upcoming faster processors as well, although if I know this industry, the existing SDRAM will be inadequate in some way or another. That 64Meg limitation can be a real killer for loaded machines and even for certain mathematical tasks like simulation or modeling. Intel really wants you to buy the Pentium Pro or Pentium II and this is one of their "incentives". What is "substantially better"? A ballpark figure would be fine. -- There are lies, damn lies, and benchmarks. David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 13:23:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14738 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@[207.229.19.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14729 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA26758; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:22:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Vincent Poy cc: Steve Passe , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > That's what I got, for some reason, my case can be ATX or AT > simply by changing the power supply. That is becoming a little more common. The cases we use for our servers (big 14 drive bay monsters) have part of the back panel which unscrews, so you can pop on the ATX style panel with the proper cutouts. Then you just change the power supply to the ATX version. Why nobody (that I've seen yet) is making a power supply that has both connectors on it, and just doesn't use the 3.3 volt part for anything when you use a normal motherboard... I don't know. It would make too much sense, I guess. :) Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 13:37:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16263 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desk.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-4-182.mu.de.ibm.net [139.92.4.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16242; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from desk.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by desk.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA08713; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:36:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199704091636.SAA08713@desk.jhs.no_domain> To: Andreas Klemm cc: smp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: have a Tyan Titan Pro up and running From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Email: jhs@freebsd.org, Fallback: jhs@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de X-Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. X-Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP PGP key on web X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Tel: Phone +49.89.268616, Fax +49.89.2608126, Data +49.89.26023276 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:08:42 +0200." <19970409080842.00938@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 18:36:41 +0200 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Andreas Klemm > > If there is some testing work to do in the SMP area, please tell me. > I only have to write two articles for German magazines, then I have > some extra time ;-) BTW There's a *BSD article in April edition of German CT Mag. (Not read it, mag. was far too heavy to shove in pocket & cycle home with, but extensive coverage of FreeBSD though. :-) > Does somebody have a hint, how to get the SMC Elite 16 up and running ? > Do I need other settings then the default settings of the card which > are: > > device ed0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xcc000 vector edintr Well I've never neeeded to tell my ancient 486 mboard anything about reserving stuff :-) ... But years ago I had a problem configuring that card too, it's been OK since I did though. my dmesg says: ed0 at 0x240-0x25f irq 15 maddr 0xcc000 msize 16384 on isa ed0: address 00:00:c0:fd:73:2e, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) A concept to grasp is: you can hard jumper it, or config it with a dos program, which talks over a port address, you can also reconfig the port address, so you can cut off the branch of the tree you'r seated sawing wood from, so to speak :-) (at which point you don't chuck it away like I heard some crazy did :-) you, just rejumper to a hard config port, then run the dos stuff again) I suspect also years ago the FreeBSD (or even 386BSD back then) code may have reprogrammed my port at boot, so I think in the end I discovered it safer not to leave the jumper in the soft programmable position. I append my comments out of my config file in case it helps ------ # ETHERNET SMC 8013EPC/Elite16 Ver4.0 /sys/i386 isa/if_ed.c doc/ed.relnotes # Selectable Ports Base (Ref P.32): # port 0x200, port 0x220, port 0x240, port 0x260, # port 0x280, port 0x2a0, port 0x2c0, port 0x2e0, # port 0x300, port 0x320, port 0x340, port 0x360, # port 0x380, port 0x3a0, port 0x3c0, port 0x3e0. # port_size 0x20 # Selectable: irq 2/9, irq 3, irq 4, irq 5, irq 7, irq 10, irq 11, irq 15. # Selectable iomem below 1M (P.86): 0x80000- 0xFE000 # Selectable iomem above 1M (P.86): 0x100000-0xFFC000 # Defaults: (0x4000 = 16384, 0x2000=8192) # Elite 16, Factory (P.28): port 0x280, irq 3, iomem 0xD0000, iosiz 0x4000 # Elite 16, Soft (P32): port 0x240, irq 2, iomem 0xCC000, iosiz 0x4000 # Elite 8, soft conf as sold: port 0x240, irq -, iomem 0xce000, iosiz 0x2000 # add_wait_states=yes rom size=- rom base=- # Elite 8 card straps as shipped: w1=280,3,D0000 w2=soft # (other W1 positions: 300,5,ca000; Or soft) # Elite 8 card soft config as set by jhs: # 280,irq=5,d8000,8k ram,add wait states=yes,rom size=dis,rom base=dis # SMC/diagnoze port 0x240 irq 2 iomem 0xCC000 # Elite 16 W2=None Soft # To config a card (OLD): leave W2 strap on None/Soft, put W1 strap on soft, # run diagnoze, set values (in this order) to # IO_Port=300 IRQ=10 Buf_Size_K=16 RAM=CC000 # ROM_State=Disable ROM_Address=C0000 # Move W1 to 300.10.CC000 # (if W1 is not moved, the card later reverts to # Rom_Address=D8000, which conflicts with my hardware) # To config a card (NEW): mv strap W1 to 280 # Syntax (P.32): # \enet\ezsetup /io:280 /newio:240 /ram:CC000 /irq:15 # \enet\ezsetup /node:0000C0FD732E /newio:240 /ram:CC000 /irq:15 # \dos\bin\fdisk # From: Luigi Rizzo # Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:18:18 +0200 (MET DST) # I have been using the (SMC) Elite with 27256 ROMs for a long # time. I believe this is the maximum size for the Elite. # GENERIC: device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr {DESK # WD8013EPC Elite 16, address 00:00:c0:fd:73:2e, device ed0 at isa? port 0x240 net irq 15 iomem 0xCC000 iosiz 0x4000 vector edintr # dmesg reports msize 16384 00:00:c0:fd:73:2e, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) }DESK ------ Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 15:52:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23220 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lugh.kerris.com (lugh.kerris.com [205.150.35.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23209 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mkerr@localhost) by lugh.kerris.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA01730 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:59:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:59:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Kerr Reply-To: Mike Kerr To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Keyboard woes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I remember seeing something about this a while back, but can't seem to find it in any of the existing documentation or readme's. The problem I'm having is that my keyboard inexplicably falls off the face of the earth occasionally (often enough to get on my nerves). Basically the only way I can find to bring the machine back up is to reset it by telnetting in. There are no errors at the time it decides to take a nap, but I do get the following during bootup: Apr 9 12:36:42 wraith /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Apr 9 12:36:42 wraith /kernel: scprobe: keyboard RESET failed (result = 0xfe) While I'm at it, I'm also getting the following on a CDROM probe: Apr 9 12:36:43 wraith /kernel: wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, dma, iordy Apr 9 12:36:43 wraith /kernel: atapi1.0: unknown phase I haven't come across the unknown phase before, but it's a backseat problem to the keyboard freezing up. Any help is appreciated. As I say, I know there was something a while ago about a fix to the keyboard reset problem during a reset, but I don't know if it's related. Mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 16:12:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25016 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25008 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA20496; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:16:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:16:14 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: am@amsoft.ru, am@f1.ru cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Serial multiport cards recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <199704091507.TAA04970@px.f1.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Andrew Maltsev wrote: > Is there any `FreeBSD-recommended' serial multi-port cards for 16 or 32 > ports? Card should be able to work on no less than 57600 on all 16 ports > in Pentium 100 box.. > > What about Cyclades? Is Cyclades driver stable enough for using under > 40..60% constant load? I like the Cyclades, The driver is very stable. Comtrol (www.comtrol.com) has FreeBSD drivers for the Rocketports, but the driver is not yet perfect. The Stallion cards are supposed to be very good. Danny From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 16:13:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25152 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA25147 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id QAA09931; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:20:00 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id QAA07514; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:43:37 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA09898; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:43:36 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id PAA02495; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:43:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:43:48 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199704092043.PAA02495@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: dave@persprog.com Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? References: <199704091535.KAA01745@compound.east.sun.com> <199704091755.LAA08240@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> <199704091826.NAA02162@compound.east.sun.com> <334BF670.5B7E@persprog.com> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Dave Alderman on Wed, 9 April: : : Let's not forget that SDRAM may show better performance with the : upcoming faster processors as well, although if I know this industry, : the existing SDRAM will be inadequate in some way or another. It's tied to the bus speed. 66 MHz SDRAM will not reliably deliver a read per clock on an 83 or 100 MHz bus. You can buy 100 MHz SDRAM and put it on a 66 MHz bus and move it to a faster board in the future, but it is a violation of the JIT purchasing methodology (the large 100 MHz cost premium will drop in the future), and may not make sense if you resell the old board anyhow. : That 64Meg limitation can be a real killer for loaded machines and even : for certain mathematical tasks like simulation or modeling. Intel : really wants you to buy the Pentium Pro or Pentium II and this is one of : their "incentives". : : What is "substantially better"? A ballpark figure would be fine. That's the best I can give, since I've never compared systems with similar processor/bus/chipset differing only in RAM architecture. I'm guessing 12-15% win (66MHz SDRAM vs. 60ns EDO, which is approximate cost parity) for my application, a direct ODE solver which is essentially (in terms of architectural performance model) a large number of iterations of a very poorly written 24MB bcopy. Probably not a very *typical* (meaning "REAL WORLD"?) application. I could *strongly* benefit from PPro (primarily because of superscalarization), but today's cost-benefit trade-off favors the smaller incremental benefit of K6-166/SDRAM. If my application were not embarassingly parallel, this would no longer be the case -- for example, when I convert to an indirect solver. (Actually, the real price-performance win in the near future is Alpha. When the AlphaPC boards plateau -- in a month or two, perhaps? -- I'm going to have to seriously consider switching to, ugh, Linux.) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 17:58:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01084 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01071 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA19364; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:58:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Thomas J Balfe cc: bsdnet@Lamb.net, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD K5-PR166 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Apr 1997 13:24:57 -0000." Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 17:58:08 -0700 Message-ID: <19361.860633888@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Here are some benchmarks I did. > > - Asus P55T2P4 Rev 3.10 with 512K L2 Cache > - 64MB memory > - AMD K5-PR166 Excellent! Now, can you run out and do this again for the K6 so we can see all of AMD's numbers? :-) :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 18:00:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01242 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01230 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA28539; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:29:33 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199704100059.KAA28539@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <199704091826.NAA02162@compound.east.sun.com> from Tony Kimball at "Apr 9, 97 01:26:53 pm" To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:29:33 +0930 (CST) Cc: smp@csn.net, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball stands accused of saying: > Quoth Steve Passe on Wed, 9 April: > > : the numbers I've seen for SDRAM suggest there isn't much gained in REAL WORLD > : situations. Can't remember the specifics but do remember thinking at the time > : that I apparently wasn't missing anything.. > > Yes, but... REAL WORLD is just another way of saying 'my application'. > If you run data-intensive memory-walking codes, typical of scientific > computations, SDRAM is a substantial win. If you run mostly from > cache or random uncached locations, SDRAM is a wash. For my own > typical applications, the REAL WORLD performance of SDRAM is > substantially better than FPM/EDO/BEDO. Hmm, we don't see this. I would call anything that deals with the output of a digitiser system with 64M of memory "data-intensive", and the SDRAM stick we borrowed did nothing at all for our systems. Currently, we're using HX boards because we want to be able to handle a full dataset in memory, and because the ones we're buying (Tekram) have onboard SCSI and 512K L2. We would happily have used SDRAM on our lower-end systems if it had helped performance at all. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 18:43:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03546 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.lariat.org ([129.72.251.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03541 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from solo.lariat.org ([129.72.251.10]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09828; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 19:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970409193813.006cd750@lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@lariat.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 19:42:38 -0600 To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Serial multiport cards recommendations wanted Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:16 AM 4/10/97 +1100, you wrote: >Comtrol (www.comtrol.com) has FreeBSD drivers for the Rocketports, but the driver >is not yet perfect. When I called Comtrol less than a month ago, they stated -- emphatically -- that FreeBSD was not supported and that there were NO plans to do so in the future. A manager in charge of development said that this was the final word. What gives? --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 18:51:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03936 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03930 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA21054; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:55:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:55:15 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Brett Glass cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Serial multiport cards recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970409193813.006cd750@lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Brett Glass wrote: > At 09:16 AM 4/10/97 +1100, you wrote: > > >Comtrol (www.comtrol.com) has FreeBSD drivers for the Rocketports, but the > driver > >is not yet perfect. > > When I called Comtrol less than a month ago, they stated -- emphatically -- > that FreeBSD was not supported and that there were NO plans to do so in the > future. A manager in charge of development said that this was the final word. > What gives? The manager should read the www.comtrol.com site. Ask for the driver. Recently Amir was asking about getting the driver into the FreeBSD tree. Danny From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 22:50:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17256 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17245 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id WAA15345; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28389; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704100550.WAA28389@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Anthony.Kimball@east.sun.com cc: dave@persprog.com, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 09 Apr 97 15:43:48 -0500. <199704092043.PAA02495@compound.east.sun.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 22:50:16 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [...] >example, when I convert to an indirect solver. (Actually, the real >price-performance win in the near future is Alpha. When the AlphaPC >boards plateau -- in a month or two, perhaps? -- I'm going to have to >seriously consider switching to, ugh, Linux.) There's this thing called NetBSD... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 9 22:53:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17383 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17378 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id WAA15450; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA28402; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704100552.WAA28402@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Michael Smith cc: Anthony.Kimball@east.sun.com, smp@csn.net, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 10 Apr 97 10:29:33 +0930. <199704100059.KAA28539@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 22:52:56 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Tony Kimball stands accused of saying: >> Quoth Steve Passe on Wed, 9 April: [...] >> cache or random uncached locations, SDRAM is a wash. For my own >> typical applications, the REAL WORLD performance of SDRAM is >> substantially better than FPM/EDO/BEDO. >Hmm, we don't see this. I would call anything that deals with the output [...] I would also caution against lumping BEDO in there with FPM and EDO. If you can believe Micron (the largest US RAM producer), BEDO has just as much potential as SDRAM, and isn't as radically different of a design. Have you actually tested your hardware with BEDO? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 00:06:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA20051 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20045 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA20828; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:03:23 -0700 (PDT) To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Anthony.Kimball@east.sun.com, dave@persprog.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Apr 1997 22:50:16 PDT." <199704100550.WAA28389@MindBender.serv.net> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:03:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20825.860655803@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [...] > >example, when I convert to an indirect solver. (Actually, the real > >price-performance win in the near future is Alpha. When the AlphaPC > >boards plateau -- in a month or two, perhaps? -- I'm going to have to > >seriously consider switching to, ugh, Linux.) > > There's this thing called NetBSD... And FreeBSD will probably be running on the ALPHA sooner than you know it. There is already significant interest (and some monetary backing) for this to happen now. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 07:33:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08574 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA08568 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27088; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:37:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:37:30 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Dave Alderman cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <33494928.7078@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > Stephen Roome wrote: > > > I'm probably only going to stick 64MB (SDRAM) in each of these machines > > as they really don't *need* much more (it'd be nice but expensive), and > > most boards I've seen (or any I'd consider) have >64MB of cacheable > > memory anyway. > > The VX and the TX chipsets only support caching of 64 Meg which might > explain why you have encountered this limitation. The HX chipset will > cache much more (although I can't remember how much more - 512Meg ?) and > also supports multiple processors. Of course, the motherboard has to > support caching greater than 64Meg as well. Actually I'm thinking that these machines really probably don't need much more memory. Yes, I know that more would be useful and probably sensible, but it's not really a luxury that can currently be afforded. Besides, 64MB of memory is still about the same price as a 2GB disc, which in our situation would probably be a better way of spending the money. Obviously getting a board that supports more cacheable memory is a good idea, but assuming memory prices continue to drop then by the time I want another 64MB of memory in both machines I should be able to get two new (even better) motherboards as well for the same price as I would pay for that 64MB now.. Well, that's all opinion, but it seems to make sense to me. (Which means that it's probably wrong !) Steve Roome (underfunded) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 07:37:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09099 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09078 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27143; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:40:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:40:48 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Kedar cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970407194621.008a76bc@gw1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Kedar wrote: > >The Tyan motherboard dual-P6 MB is quite nice. I'm probably > >going to get one for freefall just because you can stick a lot > >more memory in the dual-processor model. > > The Tyan 1662 is available in the single-CPU version with the same > number of SIMM slots. I presume you speak of the Tacoma (with 6, rather > than 8). > As for the SIMMS, I would definetely suggest using either > Unigen(Tyan recommended) or Kingston SIMMS if this is to be a server, and > there are any plans of going above 128MB. What are these SIMMS rated at (in nanoseconds), as I'm going shopping with cash in London next week, and mail order costs more that Totenham Court Road. (sometimes anyway). > > AMD K6: We are going to be testing it as soon as we can lay a hand > of one. There was some mention adding a CPU down the line. The k-6 will > not do SMP (OPIC Logiv vs APIC logic) as of now. Any idea if future K6's be SMP capable ? Steve Roome. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 07:39:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09195 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09189 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27175; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:43:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:43:45 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Chuck Robey cc: Dave Alderman , hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > > > Stephen Roome wrote: > > > > > > > > I've just talked to a friend here though who reminded be about > > > the AMD K6, that will (apparently) be socket 7 (pentium board compatible). > > > So... Is it worth going for a pentium board especially if the K6 is going > > > to be all it's hyped up to be or not ? (assuming it comes out soon) > > > > > > > The AMD K6 was released on April 2. You can order it now (at least in > > the 200 Mhz version). I know of one chip dealer that is offering it > > now. > > > > Does anyone know if this CPU has multiprocessor support? > > Not for FreeBSD. The basic interprocessor communications is done by the > APIC hardware, of which there are two flavors: Intel's patented APIC > design, and everyone else's OpenApic. Only trouble is, all the existing > motherboards, and FreeBSD's software, support Intel's APIC design, not > OpenApic. I'm not aware that there's any support in any OS for OpenApic, > or in any motherboard that's available. So, basically that nothing is going to be multiprocessor unless either. 1) Someone rewrites/patches/whatever each OS with OpenApic support. 2) It's an Intel chip ? If so, this is as bad news as Socket-1 for the market.. (is there an International Monopolies/Mergers commition to stop Intel putting everyone else out of the market ?) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 07:45:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09614 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09606 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27257; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:49:38 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:49:38 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Vincent Poy cc: Dave Alderman , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > > > The VX and the TX chipsets only support caching of 64 Meg which might > > explain why you have encountered this limitation. The HX chipset will > > cache much more (although I can't remember how much more - 512Meg ?) and > > also supports multiple processors. Of course, the motherboard has to > > support caching greater than 64Meg as well. > > I thought the TX was supposed to be better than the HX chipset. > At any rate, is it better to get the new ASUS TX97 motherboards with the > TX chipset or the HX? Also, is the ATX form-factor the way to go or is > the standard AT footprint still supported even for future motherboards? > I'm thinking about getting another machine but didn't know if I should go > the ATX route or not. Like what are the advantages and disadvantages of > ATX? I'm not too sure but the TX is apprently more of a VX with some of the niceties of the HX. So HX still might be better, or whatever comes after the HX as it's upgrade. (As a side note, what the hell is Intel playing at with their lettering scheme, it seems to have gone FX,VX,HX,TX for the major boards and some NX,LX stuff somewhere in there as well. I want an AX board, did they do one??) Also, I noticed ABIT (my home PC is ABIT powered, it's quite good) are doing a jumperless TX based board. I've only seen it on their website though and nowhere else. Somewhere under products or something at http://www.abit.com.tw/ (Slow link though... well, was for me) Steve Roome. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 07:49:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09803 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09798 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27321; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:53:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:53:24 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Dave Alderman cc: Vincent Poy , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <334A9941.45A5@persprog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > Does anyone know if the VIA Apollo VP2 is any better? What about the > new AMD CMD640 chipset (which is based on the VP2 - maybe it IS the > VP2)? The stats on the VP2 look nice (http://sysdoc.pair.com/ has some bench's). But I'd be interested also in any SiS powered boards, SiS seem to come out with chipsets which really are better than the competition, but they don't release anything new often enough to be a serious competitor. I do like SiS though, they're just not supported under Windows very well, which is oh such a shame. Steve Roome. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 07:51:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA10004 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA09990 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 07:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA25310; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:51:33 -0500 Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com(204.124.123.250) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma025305; Thu Apr 10 09:51:07 1997 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [10.0.11.30]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA26390; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:51:08 -0500 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA00143; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:50:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704101450.JAA00143@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0beta 12/23/96 To: Brett Glass cc: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Serial multiport cards recommendations wanted In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Apr 1997 19:42:38 MDT." <3.0.32.19970409193813.006cd750@lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:50:58 -0500 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass writes: >At 09:16 AM 4/10/97 +1100, you wrote: > >>Comtrol (www.comtrol.com) has FreeBSD drivers for the Rocketports, but the >driver >>is not yet perfect. > >When I called Comtrol less than a month ago, they stated -- emphatically -- >that FreeBSD was not supported and that there were NO plans to do so in the >future. A manager in charge of development said that this was the final word. >What gives? The `manager in charge of development' must not know all the facts, or there's another comtrol somewhere... A year or so ago, I told comtrol that I couldn't evaluate their boards without a FBSD driver, they're pretty anxious to sell us cards, we buy ~50-100/month. A couple months ago I got a call from comtrol, that they had a FBSD driver, and were willing to send evaluation units. I got an eval board, I've seen the driver work. Last week I got another call asking if I needed more cards or anything else. amir@comtrol.com (Amir Farah) wrote the driver, and seems willing to maintain, and improve it. Mike Winkelman , is our sales rep, he seems to know about the FreeBSD project, and was interested in getting their driver committed to the FreeBSD tree... > >--Brett Glass > eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 08:08:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11069 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11060 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id IAA00094; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:14:03 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id LAA27513; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:07:33 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA25135; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:07:32 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA04085; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:07:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:07:59 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199704101507.KAA04085@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? References: <199704100059.KAA28539@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199704100552.WAA28402@MindBender.serv.net> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com on Wed, 9 April: : I would also caution against lumping BEDO in there with FPM and EDO. ... : Have you actually tested your hardware with BEDO? No, I have not, so your point is well-taken. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 08:18:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11760 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11749 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id KAA22556; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:08:48 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022553; Thu Apr 10 11:08:21 1997 Message-ID: <334D0264.BAD92424@persprog.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:08:20 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Roome CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Roome wrote: > > Obviously getting a board that supports more cacheable memory is a good > idea, but assuming memory prices continue to drop then by the time I want > another 64MB of memory in both machines I should be able to get two new > (even better) motherboards as well for the same price as I would pay for > that 64MB now.. Well, that's all opinion, but it seems to make sense to > me. (Which means that it's probably wrong !) > > Steve Roome (underfunded) Your logic makes sense to me. I must claim some bias in this affair since I hate to be forced to do anything (like buy a motherboard that deliberately restricts your memory usage). -- It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! --Ratbert David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 08:24:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA12108 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12100 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 08:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id KAA22891; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:10:28 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022872; Thu Apr 10 11:10:27 1997 Message-ID: <334D02E2.9EFF69F6@persprog.com> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:10:26 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Roome CC: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Roome wrote: > I'm not too sure but the TX is apprently more of a VX with some of the > niceties of the HX. So HX still might be better, or whatever comes after > the HX as it's upgrade. > There will be no successor to the HX. Intel wants you to buy a Pro (or now II) instead. -- David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 10:36:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19524 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19519 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10670; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 10:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Kedar cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970409161555.0097bbe8@gw1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Kedar wrote: > > I thought even the non-ATX, all slots were still full length? > > It is not the slots, but the cards that one refers to, I believe. > In the AT style boards, the CPU fan tends to come in the way of full-length > cards. We did manage to find a couple of AT boards that allowed us to do > that. With the ATX boards, it's easier, and more versatile to use some of > the huge sound or graphics cards and such. Even in the ATX boards, the connectors for the wires to the case come in the way of half-length cards so I don't really know but who still makes full legnth cards these days? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 13:13:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27129 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27122 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11233; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Doug Russell cc: Steve Passe , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > > That's what I got, for some reason, my case can be ATX or AT > > simply by changing the power supply. > > That is becoming a little more common. The cases we use for our servers > (big 14 drive bay monsters) have part of the back panel which unscrews, so > you can pop on the ATX style panel with the proper cutouts. Then you just > change the power supply to the ATX version. Hmmm, but are there back panels to convert a ATX case back to AT? > Why nobody (that I've seen yet) is making a power supply that has both > connectors on it, and just doesn't use the 3.3 volt part for anything when > you use a normal motherboard... I don't know. It would make too much > sense, I guess. :) Now that is a good idea, the thing with ATX power supplies is that it has a power switch on the power supply while ATX motherboards have the front power switch connected to the motherboard. Now does anyone know if there are ATX motherboards from ASUS or SuperMicro that is ATX footprint and not AT? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 13:20:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27500 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:20:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (root@po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27489 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.24]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20990; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA03293; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:20:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: skipper.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:20:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: Stephen Roome cc: Dave Alderman , hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > > Not for FreeBSD. The basic interprocessor communications is done by the > > APIC hardware, of which there are two flavors: Intel's patented APIC > > design, and everyone else's OpenApic. Only trouble is, all the existing > > motherboards, and FreeBSD's software, support Intel's APIC design, not > > OpenApic. I'm not aware that there's any support in any OS for OpenApic, > > or in any motherboard that's available. > > > So, basically that nothing is going to be multiprocessor > unless either. > 1) Someone rewrites/patches/whatever each OS with OpenApic support. > 2) It's an Intel chip ? > > If so, this is as bad news as Socket-1 for the market.. (is there an > International Monopolies/Mergers commition to stop Intel putting everyone > else out of the market ?) Worse than that, even the motherboards don't support Open Apic designs. Can't get there from here. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 14:03:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00272 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.137]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00259 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shampoo.htl.rhno.columbia.edu (shampoo.htl.rhno.columbia.edu [128.59.233.160]) by mailhub1.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA11218 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970410170313.007ab7f0@mailhub.cc.columbia.edu> X-Sender: grc8@mailhub.cc.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:03:13 -0400 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Gregory Chew Subject: Problem with SCSI CDROM drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone... I'm having problems configuring my SCSI CDROM drive..The SCSI card works fine (It's an Adaptec AVA-1515, chipset supported by FreeBSD). The CDROM drive (NEC 3xi) is even detected. However, once everything is booted, the CDROM starts timing out in about five minutes. Can anyone help me with this issue? Thanks! Greg ______Gregory Chew_____________________________________________________ |email: grc8@columbia.edu http://winston.htl.rhno.columbia.edu/~greg | |phone: (212) 853-6583 http://www.columbia.edu/~grc8 | |beeper: (917) 983-0257 | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 14:12:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00828 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00823 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA11577; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:11:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Stephen Roome cc: Dave Alderman , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > I'm not too sure but the TX is apprently more of a VX with some of the > niceties of the HX. So HX still might be better, or whatever comes after > the HX as it's upgrade. You're right about this since the HX is supposed to be Intel's best chipset for the Pentium CPU's. The TX is a better version of the VX and still has the 64Meg RAM caching limitation. > (As a side note, what the hell is Intel playing at with their lettering > scheme, it seems to have gone FX,VX,HX,TX for the major boards and some > NX,LX stuff somewhere in there as well. I want an AX board, did they do > one??) Hmmm, Intel has NX and LX chipsets? Never heard of those before. I thought it was the Neptune, then the Triton I (430FX) which got replaced by the Triton II (430HX), is the VX/TX a Trion III? And what was the cache limitation for RAM on the 430FX? > Also, I noticed ABIT (my home PC is ABIT powered, it's quite good) are > doing a jumperless TX based board.. I've only seen it on their website > though and nowhere else. Somewhere under products or something at > http://www.abit.com.tw/ I heard my friend bought that board but he's using Win95 so I don't know how well it performs under Win95. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 15:40:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA05100 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from croute.com (ishm2.croute.com [199.97.106.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05094 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bldg1.croute.com by croute.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03040; Thu, 10 Apr 97 17:40:24 CDT Received: from COMPUROUTE/SpoolDir by bldg1.croute.com (Mercury 1.31); 10 Apr 97 17:40:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from SpoolDir by COMPUROUTE (Mercury 1.31); 10 Apr 97 17:40:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Larry Dolinar" Organization: CompuRoute, Inc. To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:40:09 -0600 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Pentium or Pentium Pro ? X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Larry Dolinar" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk And the clouds parted on 10 Apr 97, and Vincent Poy said: >On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > > Now that is a good idea, the thing with ATX power supplies is that >it has a power switch on the power supply while ATX motherboards have the >front power switch connected to the motherboard. Now does anyone know if >there are ATX motherboards from ASUS or SuperMicro that is ATX footprint >and not AT? > > >Cheers, >Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ P/I-XP55T2P4 and P/I-XP6NP5, by the looks of http://www.asus.com/products/Specs/MB/ xp55t2p4-Spec.asp xp6np5-Spec.asp but nothing else, apparently. No comment on SuperMicro. regards, larry From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 18:26:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA17514 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@[207.229.19.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17508 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA29338; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:26:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Vincent Poy cc: Steve Passe , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > Hmmm, but are there back panels to convert a ATX case back to AT? I would assume that you can buy the case in either format and purchase the other back panel if and when it is necessary. I have seen other cases from several manufacturers that are convertable (I just don't like the design well enough compared to the really nifty ones we use now) between ATX and AT by a power supply swap and come with both back panels. > Now that is a good idea, the thing with ATX power supplies is that > it has a power switch on the power supply while ATX motherboards have the > front power switch connected to the motherboard. Now does anyone know if > there are ATX motherboards from ASUS or SuperMicro that is ATX footprint > and not AT? Ok... Lets take these big server cases, for example. I've got two of them here on my bench running WWW, FTP, MAIL services, etc.... They have power switches on the front panel along with the turbo/reset switch... The label on the power supply lists the specs for both models and just has a little dot highlighting which model this one is. ATX/non ATX, and they both have power switches wired to them. So, I figure, you just leave the motherboard switch on, and use the one on the power supply. I wish I had a picture online so I could show how they are arranged... Hmm... Gotta find me a scanner. My old Logitech ScanMan Plus doesn't cut it anymore. :) Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 18:30:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA17696 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@[207.229.19.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17680 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA29346; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:28:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Chuck Robey cc: Stephen Roome , Dave Alderman , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Worse than that, even the motherboards don't support Open Apic designs. > Can't get there from here. Does anyone know the real status of the whole Open APIC idea? Last I heard Cyrix and AMD weren't even actively working on implementing it. Has this changed? It would be really nice to know what was going on in the whole scheme of things. Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 20:45:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23382 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www2.shoppersnet.com (shoppersnet.com [204.156.152.112]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23361 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hlew@localhost) by www2.shoppersnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23646; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Stephen Roome cc: Dave Alderman , Vincent Poy , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > > Does anyone know if the VIA Apollo VP2 is any better? What about the > > new AMD CMD640 chipset (which is based on the VP2 - maybe it IS the > > VP2)? > > The stats on the VP2 look nice (http://sysdoc.pair.com/ has some bench's). > But I'd be interested also in any SiS powered boards, SiS seem to come > out with chipsets which really are better than the competition, but they > don't release anything new often enough to be a serious competitor. > > I do like SiS though, they're just not supported under Windows very well, > which is oh such a shame. > > Steve Roome. Hmmm... under Tom's list for DRAM cacheability, he has: "64 or 512MB" for the Intel HX, VIA VP-1, and VIA VP-2, but does anyone know why the "or"? From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 20:53:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23766 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23761 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13169; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:50:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Howard Lew cc: Stephen Roome , Dave Alderman , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Howard Lew wrote: > Hmmm... under Tom's list for DRAM cacheability, he has: "64 or 512MB" for > the Intel HX, VIA VP-1, and VIA VP-2, but does anyone know why the "or"? I just bought a ASUS XP55TP2 motherboard and from what I understand is that the motherboard has a jumper and if you use SRAM, then it will work with 512MB, otherwise, it's good for 64MB of ram only. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 10 21:04:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24141 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24136 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13237; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 21:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Doug Russell cc: Steve Passe , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Doug Russell wrote: > > Hmmm, but are there back panels to convert a ATX case back to AT? > > I would assume that you can buy the case in either format and purchase the > other back panel if and when it is necessary. I have seen other cases > from several manufacturers that are convertable (I just don't like the > design well enough compared to the really nifty ones we use now) between > ATX and AT by a power supply swap and come with both back panels. Hmm, on my case for example, you can get it with either power supply. The panel that is there is a AT style but you need to break the AT panel to put in the ATX one that comes with the ASUS motherboard. > > Now that is a good idea, the thing with ATX power supplies is that > > it has a power switch on the power supply while ATX motherboards have the > > front power switch connected to the motherboard. Now does anyone know if > > there are ATX motherboards from ASUS or SuperMicro that is ATX footprint > > and not AT? > > Ok... Lets take these big server cases, for example. I've got two of > them here on my bench running WWW, FTP, MAIL services, etc.... They have > power switches on the front panel along with the turbo/reset switch... > The label on the power supply lists the specs for both models and just has > a little dot highlighting which model this one is. ATX/non ATX, and they > both have power switches wired to them. So, I figure, you just leave the > motherboard switch on, and use the one on the power supply. Hmmm, on my AT power supply, there is no power switch on the PS itself since the wire from the PS ges to the switch on the front of my case. On the ATX, it's different since there is no power cord going to the switch on the case but instead it comes from the motherboard to the case. > I wish I had a picture online so I could show how they are arranged... > > Hmm... Gotta find me a scanner. My old Logitech ScanMan Plus doesn't cut > it anymore. :) Good thing is that I retired that thing 7 years ago. It's sitting in the box right next to me. I can still picture that red light =) Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 11 04:27:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA11840 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA11833 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11782; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:32:14 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:32:14 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Vincent Poy cc: Kedar , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Kedar wrote: > > > > I thought even the non-ATX, all slots were still full length? > > > > It is not the slots, but the cards that one refers to, I believe. > > In the AT style boards, the CPU fan tends to come in the way of full-length > > cards. We did manage to find a couple of AT boards that allowed us to do > > that. With the ATX boards, it's easier, and more versatile to use some of > > the huge sound or graphics cards and such. > > Even in the ATX boards, the connectors for the wires to the case > come in the way of half-length cards so I don't really know but who still > makes full legnth cards these days? I've got a full length real magic card and a full length modem (wonder how slow it is) I doubt either of which are made anymore but I expect buying an old full length real magic card is still a lot cheaper than a new pci spangly one and still does the job fine. How about all the old video capture cards, some of them were full length, at that price why buy a new one ? It'd be nice to use the real magic card (is it supported ?) -- Steve Roome Broom cupboard Stockist, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 11 04:59:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13707 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13696 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 04:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12169; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:03:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:03:06 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: Howard Lew cc: Dave Alderman , Vincent Poy , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Howard Lew wrote: > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > > > On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > > > Does anyone know if the VIA Apollo VP2 is any better? What about the > > > new AMD CMD640 chipset (which is based on the VP2 - maybe it IS the > > > VP2)? > > > > The stats on the VP2 look nice (http://sysdoc.pair.com/ has some bench's). > > But I'd be interested also in any SiS powered boards, SiS seem to come > > out with chipsets which really are better than the competition, but they > > don't release anything new often enough to be a serious competitor. > > > > I do like SiS though, they're just not supported under Windows very well, > > which is oh such a shame. > > > > Steve Roome. > > Hmmm... under Tom's list for DRAM cacheability, he has: "64 or 512MB" for > the Intel HX, VIA VP-1, and VIA VP-2, but does anyone know why the "or"? I believe with these board you actually have to *solder* extra TAG ram on to get the 512MB cacheable. This sounds insane but I've seen more than one reference to having to solder on more TAGRAM! -- Steve Roome Broom Cupboard Stockist, Vision Interactive Ltd. E: steve@visint.co.uk M: +44 (0) 976 241 342 T: +44 (0) 117 973 0597 F: +44 (0) 117 923 8522 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 11 05:30:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA15040 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mccomm.nl (root@gateppp.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA15021 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpserver.mccomm.nl (hpserver.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.13]) by mccomm.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21211 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:30:40 +0200 Message-Id: <199704111230.OAA21211@mccomm.nl> Received: by hpserver.mccomm.nl (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA07924; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:30:39 +0200 From: Rob Schofield Subject: Synch SCSI data To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (Hardware list at FreeBSD) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 97 14:30:39 METDST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there. Although this question on the face of it appears to be primarily SCSI, I have posted it here as I think it's a hardware related matter. I have a DEC 433MP, and the primary bus is EISA (32 bit). The SCSI card for the disks is my old AHA-1742A, configured without floppy controller active. I have a number of SCSI disks on the bus of mixed vintage, and the bus is terminated actively on the last device in the chain, and on the host adaptor itself. The host is set to negotiate for Synchronous data exchange with any drives that support it; my main system disk is at address 0 (don't you just LURVE DOS systems...;), a Fujitsu M2694ESA, 1G FAST SCSI-2. This (I am reasonably sure) is also set to negotiate for Synch (yes, I know, only one should). I am not actually sure whether or not the disk and host ad are negotiating to run Synch SCSI data exchanges, and non of the system utils I have under any of the OS's I'm using on this machine allow me to see whether the handshake is synchronous after boot; I'm running 2.1.6 and wondered if there was any way of checking this out? Secondly, since I am multi-booting from a DOS partition to BSD, the boot loader is not run directly at boot time, but afterwards. The dmesg listing shows the loader is finding the host and all the other drives correctly, but not indicating if any of them have gone synchronous. Is this intermediate load procedure stopping it going synchronous at load time? The disk is a few years old now, so I'm not likely to make awarranty claim, but I've only recently become suspicious about this due to the observed data transfer rates (~750K/s) which seems to me to be rather low. Anyone have any ideas/Rude comments? Rob Schofield -- Witticisms are hard to define on Monday mornings... schofiel@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~schofiel rschof@mccomm.nl From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 11 11:47:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11444 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11409 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA08254; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:40:20 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:40:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Howard Lew cc: Stephen Roome , Dave Alderman , Vincent Poy , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pentuim or Pentuim Pro ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Howard Lew wrote: > On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Stephen Roome wrote: > > > On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Dave Alderman wrote: > > > Does anyone know if the VIA Apollo VP2 is any better? What about the > > > new AMD CMD640 chipset (which is based on the VP2 - maybe it IS the > > > VP2)? > > > > The stats on the VP2 look nice (http://sysdoc.pair.com/ has some bench's). > > But I'd be interested also in any SiS powered boards, SiS seem to come > > out with chipsets which really are better than the competition, but they > > don't release anything new often enough to be a serious competitor. > > > > I do like SiS though, they're just not supported under Windows very well, > > which is oh such a shame. > > > > Steve Roome. > > Hmmm... under Tom's list for DRAM cacheability, he has: "64 or 512MB" for > the Intel HX, VIA VP-1, and VIA VP-2, but does anyone know why the "or"? > Might it just be that to cache memory > 64MB it needs more that 256K of cache (512 K cache)? Sander