From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jun 8 07:41:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14759 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA14754 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0waj8v-0000xN-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:40:29 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:40:29 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain Reply-To: Manar Hussain To: Rob Nelson cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sony SDT9000 DAT tape drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Does anybody have any experience with this drive? We are looking at >purchasing a high capacity DAT drive. The speed and capacity of this drive >makes it very attractive. It is SCSI-2 and native capacity is 12GB, will do >24GB with hardware compression using 125m tapes. I'd be very interested in this too - and if anyone out there has used it with amanda then I'd be more interested still ... Manar From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 9 11:35:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07281 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07266 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id IAA04436; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970609183151.00a15d88@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 11:31:51 -0700 To: Rob Nelson From: Kedar Subject: Re: Sony SDT9000 DAT tape drive Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:34 PM 6/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >Does anybody have any experience with this drive? We are looking at >purchasing a high capacity DAT drive. The speed and capacity of this drive Both, the SDT-9000 and the HP C1554A, have worked pretty well for us. Have not used the former under FreeBSD, I'm afraid. One word of caution regarding installation- the SDT-9000 has a specific method of installing the face plate. Please notice the manual. We spent hours thinking that the unit was bad when only the installation was a issue. The tape tends to get stuck if the front plate is not properly installed. Kedar. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 9 18:59:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29649 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA29640 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wbGBm-0004sO-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:57:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Steve Passe cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-Reply-To: <199706091807.MAA16841@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > >You can already run your PPro/200 at 233 MHz (3.5x 66 MHz) or more if your > >motherboard support it. > > this isn't necesarily true. *most* samples will work reliably at this speed, > but there is NO guarantee that any specific one will. Or that it might appear > to work, but cause obscure bugs. I would guess that we wont see any official True. Overclocking is not guarrenteed to work. > 233mHz PPros, now that the PII is available, and intel is struggling to make > the PII look attractive from a performance point of view. I thought the PII was intented to a consumer level product, while the PPro was the server/workstation product? The smaller cache, and new cost saving chip packaging seems to point towards targetting the consumer market. What about the difference between a PPro with 256k onchip cache, as opposed to 512k onchip cache? > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 9 19:03:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00111 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www2.shoppersnet.com (shoppersnet.com [204.156.152.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29999 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hlew@localhost) by www2.shoppersnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20786; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Craig Johnston cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Craig Johnston wrote: > > Interesting -- > > 2.2.2 on the ABIT with an AMD K5-PR166 gives a result of > 60 megs/sec maximum via the naive memory bandwidth benchmark: > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=100 > > while 2.2.2 on an Asus mobo (the HX one, t2p4? or something?) > gives 86 meg/sec by the same benchmark. > > The ABIT board has EDO dram @60ns, the Asus FPM @ 60ns. > > Both kernels have 'flags 0x7' for npx0 -- as their slower (than intel) > FPUs don't speed up memory moves. > > I'd be extremely interested in seeing your results for 2.2.2 with > the K5 and the above flags on the ABIT and other motherboards. > > Anyone else have reason to believe the ABITs memory bandwidth > sucks? > I thought the TX was better than the VX, so I compared several motherboards with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 CPU is AMD K5-PR133 FIC PT2006 (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R Got 65MB/s FreeTech F63T (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R Got 62MB/s FreeTech F79 (Intel TX) with 512K PB Cache & FreeBSD-3.0SNAP-6/6/97 Got 43MB/s Is there something different about 3.0SNAP6/6/97? Is there any option parameter for the kernel config for the K5-PR133? Unfortunately, 2 parameters changed, so I can't tell if it is the MB or the OS. I decided to go with 3.0snap because of this missing TX PCI & IDE drivers. All three tests were done with 32MB EDO memory (set to best memory settings). From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 9 20:05:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04058 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04050 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18334; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:04:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706100304.VAA18334@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Tom Samplonius cc: Steve Passe , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 18:57:38 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:04:52 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > 233mHz PPros, now that the PII is available, and intel is struggling to make > > the PII look attractive from a performance point of view. > > I thought the PII was intented to a consumer level product, while the > PPro was the server/workstation product? The smaller cache, and new cost > saving chip packaging seems to point towards targetting the consumer > market. The cache isn't smaller, just slower. Since a PII-233x512 will outperform a PPro-200x512, and is already considerably cheaper, I don't see a consumer vs server distinction (even if intel sales might want us to think so). It's not clear to me yet whether the PII will support a quad setup, but dual boards are available now. Intel Pentium II 266 512K $888 Intel Pentium II 233 512K $748 Intel Pentium Pro 200 512K $1072 Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $525 --- > What about the difference between a PPro with 256k onchip cache, as >opposed to 512k onchip cache? I haven't seen anything definative on this yet. Since you can't turn off the top 256k cache its hard to find otherwise identical setups for a fair test. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 9 20:54:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06127 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06099 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/) with SMTP id XAA16962; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA19567; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:53:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:53:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@Journey2.mat.net To: Steve Passe cc: Tom Samplonius , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-Reply-To: <199706100304.VAA18334@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > > 233mHz PPros, now that the PII is available, and intel is struggling to make > > > the PII look attractive from a performance point of view. > > > > I thought the PII was intented to a consumer level product, while the > > PPro was the server/workstation product? The smaller cache, and new cost > > saving chip packaging seems to point towards targetting the consumer > > market. > > The cache isn't smaller, just slower. Since a PII-233x512 will outperform > a PPro-200x512, and is already considerably cheaper, I don't see a > consumer vs server distinction (even if intel sales might want us to think so). > It's not clear to me yet whether the PII will support a quad setup, but > dual boards are available now. > > Intel Pentium II 266 512K $888 > Intel Pentium II 233 512K $748 > Intel Pentium Pro 200 512K $1072 > Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $525 > > --- > > What about the difference between a PPro with 256k onchip cache, as > >opposed to 512k onchip cache? > > I haven't seen anything definative on this yet. Since you can't turn off > the top 256k cache its hard to find otherwise identical setups for a fair test. Steve, since the PPro cache is accessed at the clock rate, and the Pentium II cache is accessed at the bus rate, I would think the PPro would win hands down, in performance, no? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 9 20:59:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06409 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06401 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA18537; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706100358.VAA18537@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Chuck Robey cc: Tom Samplonius , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jun 1997 23:53:25 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:58:44 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck, > Steve, since the PPro cache is accessed at the clock rate, and the Pentium > II cache is accessed at the bus rate, I would think the PPro would win > hands down, in performance, no? the benches I have seen say no, check out: http://sysdoc.pair.com/pentiumII.html -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 9 21:38:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08653 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (wck-ca7-16.ix.netcom.com [204.31.231.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08648 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA00712; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100438.VAA00712@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: tom@sdf.com CC: smp@csn.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Tom Samplonius on Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:57:38 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * > 233mHz PPros, now that the PII is available, and intel is struggling to make * > the PII look attractive from a performance point of view. * * I thought the PII was intented to a consumer level product, while the * PPro was the server/workstation product? That is true, but PII is the low-end of the next generation. What PII (Klamath) is to Pentium, the Deschutes is to P6. You can't really compare PII to P6, except that when run at the same clock speed, P6 (256K) usually outperforms the PII. * The smaller cache, and new cost ^^^^^^^ * saving chip packaging seems to point towards targetting the consumer * market. Or more like the "non-existent" on-chip L2 cache. ;) * What about the difference between a PPro with 256k onchip cache, as * opposed to 512k onchip cache? I have this sneaking suspicion that a 512K version is faster, but it's so grossly overprices I don't really think there is no comparison. You can spend all that money (what, $700 dollars for 256K of cache?) for something much more productive. Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jun 9 21:55:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09552 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09546 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id VAA25019; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA14910; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199706100453.VAA14910@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Chuck Robey cc: Steve Passe , Tom Samplonius , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 09 Jun 97 23:53:25 -0400. Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 21:53:37 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > What about the difference between a PPro with 256k onchip cache, as >> >opposed to 512k onchip cache? >> I haven't seen anything definative on this yet. Since you can't turn off >> the top 256k cache its hard to find otherwise identical setups for a fair te st. >Steve, since the PPro cache is accessed at the clock rate, and the Pentium >II cache is accessed at the bus rate, I would think the PPro would win >hands down, in performance, no? I thought the Pentium II L2 cache ran at half the CPU core rate, not the bus rate (i. e. 116.5MHz for a 233, not 66Mhz). Add to the above that the L2 cache is still non-blocking up to four outstanding transactions, and can fetch out-of-order, you still have advantages in the cache over, say, a Pentium L2 cache. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 02:25:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA22084 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA22073 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-47.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA20545 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:25:37 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id LAA29270; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:25:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:25:36 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Howard Lew Cc: Craig Johnston , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: ; from Howard Lew on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 07:12:07PM -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 9, Howard Lew wrote: > I thought the TX was better than the VX, so I compared several > motherboards with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 > > CPU is AMD K5-PR133 > > FIC PT2006 (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R > Got 65MB/s > > FreeTech F63T (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R > Got 62MB/s > > FreeTech F79 (Intel TX) with 512K PB Cache & FreeBSD-3.0SNAP-6/6/97 > Got 43MB/s Does the code in FreeBSD-current use the FPU bcopy for the AMD K5 ??? > > Is there something different about 3.0SNAP6/6/97? Is there any option > parameter for the kernel config for the K5-PR133? Unfortunately, 2 > parameters changed, so I can't tell if it is the MB or the OS. I decided > to go with 3.0snap because of this missing TX PCI & IDE drivers. You won't see much of a difference between 2.1.x and -current, with regard to chip-set support. The TX does not need any specific code, and I doubt that the EIDE code in -current know about the TX IDE chip ... So you could have used 2.1.7 for the TX as well! > All three tests were done with 32MB EDO memory (set to best memory > settings). The VX is known to perform badly with EDO, and just very slightly better than a TX (with EDO), if the VX got SDRAM modules ... Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 06:47:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA04767 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA04762 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from louis.ourway.com (async249-129.async.duke.edu [152.3.249.129]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.5/Duke-4.4.1) with SMTP id JAA08337; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970610134414.006eec70@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:44:14 -0400 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Charles Reese Subject: Boot up failure Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk One of our machines crashed last night. It was repeating the message (as dictated to me): WD0s2 WD0 WD unwedge failed status 80 error 80 WD start: Timeout writing to give common ???? FSBN 261440 of 261440-261455 (WD0s2 BN 476672; CN 236 TN 14 SN 14) The operater tried to reboot and got: Failure: cannont read blk 19904 and a lot of other 'Failed' messages and then it came up in single user mode. So the question is: What can be done? Is there a FreeBSD program to scan and fix the bad blocks? Can we run tar and/or transfer files to the floppy disk in single user mode? Can we ftp over the local ethernet? Thanks Charlie Reese ------------------------------------------------------------- Charles E. Reese * * Durham, NC 27710 * Buy Sell Trade CDs * 919-660-1585 * NO MIDDLEMAN * 919-544-7217 * TOTALLY FREE * * http://trader.ourway.com * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 07:55:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09140 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09127 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id AAA09464; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:25:36 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706101455.AAA09464@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Boot up failure In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970610134414.006eec70@chem.duke.edu> from Charles Reese at "Jun 10, 97 09:44:14 am" To: reese@chem.duke.edu (Charles Reese) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:25:36 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Charles Reese stands accused of saying: > One of our machines crashed last night. It was repeating the message (as > dictated to me): > > WD0s2 > WD0 > WD unwedge failed > status 80 > error 80 > WD start: Timeout writing to give common ???? > FSBN 261440 of 261440-261455 > (WD0s2 BN 476672; CN 236 TN 14 SN 14) > > The operater tried to reboot and got: > Failure: cannont read blk 19904 > and a lot of other 'Failed' messages and then it came up in single user mode. You appear to have suffered a disk failure. > So the question is: What can be done? Is there a FreeBSD program to scan > and fix the bad blocks? Can we run tar and/or transfer files to the floppy > disk in single user mode? Can we ftp over the local ethernet? The correct procedure in this situation is : - check cabling in case vibration has dislodged the power or data connectors - replace the disk - restore from backup - optional : attempt to recover the disk using vendor-supplied disk recovery tools, or return to the supplier for warranty replacement Even the most expensive IDE disk is not worth more than a few hours of downtime and operator time, and it sounds as though yours has thrown in the towel good and proper. You should also check that the disks in your systems are not overheating; poor ventilation and subsequent overheating will drastically shorten the life of your disks. > Charlie Reese -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 10:12:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17586 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17581 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA24378; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:12:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:12:31 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" Message-Id: <199706101712.KAA24378@george.lbl.gov> To: brian@mpress.com Subject: Re: ASUS P/I-P65UP5 + C-P55T2D dual Pentium MB Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Has any one successfully installed FreeBSD on an ASUS P/I-P65UP5 dual Pentium >> motherboard with C-P55T2D (two 200 MHz Pentium CPU) daughter board? >> >> I had a memory problem on this motherboard. The same memory was used for >> ASUS P/I-P55TVP4 and TX97-E single Pentium 200 MHz CPU motherboards without >> any problem. They are 60 ns non-parity SIMM. >> However, the same hareware with just a different motherboard, the page fault >> occurred when system swithed to VM mode during the installation; that is, >> when installation passed all probing and switched to graphic installation >> menu. >> Does this imply I have a defective motherboard? or are some special >> setup required for VM start up? >> More info., this motherboard does not work for other UN*X system either. > >I'm running a P65UP5 and I think the same CPU card, ok with >FreeBSD in SMP mode. > >I'm guessing that you are running in single CPU mode, which I believe >does not require any special setup. > >If you are running an SMP kernel, you might change the BIOS setting >so that it uses MP 1.4 instead of MP 1.1. The motherboards are OK. The problems are in the 3.0-SNAP. I have filed a few bugs reports which cause kernel crash. One is the "dumps on wd0". The other one is weired, use NCR SCSI controllers, add two Quantum Fireball 3.2 GB SCSI disk drives, the installation works fine. Adding three or more such disk drives, installation boot process crashes before switch to the Welcome FreeBSD menu. What I believe is that crashes at same place when the "dumps on wd0" is used. So, they may be related problem. Also, fopen/freopen failed on 3.0-SNAP in many cases. Just FYI. -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 10:30:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18489 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www2.shoppersnet.com (shoppersnet.com [204.156.152.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18317; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hlew@localhost) by www2.shoppersnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24676; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Stefan Esser cc: Craig Johnston , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 In-Reply-To: <19970610112536.48352@mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Stefan Esser wrote: > On Jun 9, Howard Lew wrote: > > I thought the TX was better than the VX, so I compared several > > motherboards with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 > > > > CPU is AMD K5-PR133 > > > > FIC PT2006 (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R > > Got 65MB/s > > > > FreeTech F63T (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R > > Got 62MB/s > > > > FreeTech F79 (Intel TX) with 512K PB Cache & FreeBSD-3.0SNAP-6/6/97 > > Got 43MB/s > > Does the code in FreeBSD-current use the FPU bcopy for the AMD K5 ??? Hmmmm... > > > > Is there something different about 3.0SNAP6/6/97? Is there any option > > parameter for the kernel config for the K5-PR133? Unfortunately, 2 > > parameters changed, so I can't tell if it is the MB or the OS. I decided > > to go with 3.0snap because of this missing TX PCI & IDE drivers. > > You won't see much of a difference between 2.1.x and -current, with > regard to chip-set support. The TX does not need any specific code, > and I doubt that the EIDE code in -current know about the TX IDE > chip ... > uh oh.. Then I think the upgrade was more of a downgrade except I have a few more memory slots and better cpu support... The funny thing is that Win95 seems to run faster. On Mode 3 EIDE, it gets about 8MB/sec on the MB according to coretest. > So you could have used 2.1.7 for the TX as well! > Gee I should have asked that earlier... 2.1.7.1R was super stable although it felt a little slower and I thought it was because of the "no driver assigned messages". I think that USB device steals an IRQ now, so now every IRQ available is being used. I think the next great chipset should support more IRQs (Is that possible)? Now I can't get NFS to work (2.1.7.1R server, 3.0 client) and sound no longer works, but I am using 4Front-Tech's driver which seems to work nicely. Maybe I'll swap the motherboards back. > > All three tests were done with 32MB EDO memory (set to best memory > > settings). > > The VX is known to perform badly with EDO, and just very slightly > better than a TX (with EDO), if the VX got SDRAM modules ... So the TX is even slower than the VX for EDO? This gives me a very bad feeling... From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 10:45:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19520 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19512 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA06377; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:02:33 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id NAA29946; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:41:33 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA06504; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:42:35 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id MAA00935; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:42:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:42:31 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199706101742.MAA00935@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Cc: reese@chem.duke.edu, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot up failure References: <1.5.4.32.19970610134414.006eec70@chem.duke.edu> <199706101455.AAA09464@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth Michael Smith on Wed, 11 June: : > Failure: cannont read blk 19904 : : You appear to have suffered a disk failure. : : > So the question is: What can be done? Is there a FreeBSD program to scan : > and fix the bad blocks? Can we run tar and/or transfer files to the floppy : > disk in single user mode? Can we ftp over the local ethernet? : : The correct procedure in this situation is : : : - check cabling in case vibration has dislodged the power or data : connectors : - replace the disk : - restore from backup : - optional : attempt to recover the disk using vendor-supplied disk recovery : tools, or return to the supplier for warranty replacement : : Even the most expensive IDE disk is not worth more than a few hours of : downtime and operator time, and it sounds as though yours has thrown : in the towel good and proper. : I have a large IDE disk with one block that will not read. Am I to understand that FBSD provides no mechanism to deal with a single bad block on a disk? From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 11:23:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21760 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21748 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA31062; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:00:51 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma031042; Tue Jun 10 14:00:50 1997 Message-ID: <339D9655.6B9285BE@persprog.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:00:53 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Passe CC: Chuck Robey , Tom Samplonius , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706100358.VAA18537@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe wrote: > > Chuck, > > > Steve, since the PPro cache is accessed at the clock rate, and the > > Pentium II cache is accessed at the bus rate, I would think the > > PPro would win hands down, in performance, no? > > the benches I have seen say no, check out: > > http://sysdoc.pair.com/pentiumII.html Unfortunately, these benchmarks do not evaluate multiprocessor performance. In multiprocessor tests (unfortunately with Windows NT), A Dell dual Pentium Pro 200 server was slightly outperforming a dual Pentium II 266 server from Dell. I saw this in PC Week (I think). If anyone can cite the article, please do so. For some reason, Dell had priced the Pentium Pro system MUCH higher that the Pentium II - far more than the simple hardware differences would justify. I would speculate that SMP is more sensitive to changes in the L2 cache performance uniprocessor designs since the Pentium II is otherwise superior unless there is something fundamentally flawed with Slot One (which will be replaced by the end of the year anyhow with Slot Two). Another possibility is that the quite mature FX chip set is less optimal with Pentium II's when attempting SMP. -- It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! --Ratbert David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 12:39:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26872 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:39:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26862 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-39.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA05489 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:39:16 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA06369; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:39:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:39:13 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Howard Lew Cc: Craig Johnston , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 References: <19970610112536.48352@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: ; from Howard Lew on Tue, Jun 10, 1997 at 10:37:24AM -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 10, Howard Lew wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Stefan Esser wrote: > > > On Jun 9, Howard Lew wrote: > > > I thought the TX was better than the VX, so I compared several > > > motherboards with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 > > > > > > CPU is AMD K5-PR133 > > > > > > FIC PT2006 (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R > > > Got 65MB/s > > > > > > FreeTech F63T (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R > > > Got 62MB/s > > > > > > FreeTech F79 (Intel TX) with 512K PB Cache & FreeBSD-3.0SNAP-6/6/97 > > > Got 43MB/s > > You won't see much of a difference between 2.1.x and -current, with > > regard to chip-set support. The TX does not need any specific code, > > and I doubt that the EIDE code in -current know about the TX IDE > > chip ... > > > > uh oh.. Then I think the upgrade was more of a downgrade except I have a > few more memory slots and better cpu support... The funny thing is that > Win95 seems to run faster. On Mode 3 EIDE, it gets about 8MB/sec on the > MB according to coretest. No, the TX should be faster than the VX (which is slow, unless you got SDRAM). The TX is (kind of) an enhanced version of the VX, and is assumed to be faster than the Triton 2 (it got deeper PCI buffers and supports new PCI 2.1 features that should improve throughput if multiple PCI bus-masters demand high bandwidth and the CPU is accessing high latency devices at the same time.) > Gee I should have asked that earlier... 2.1.7.1R was super stable > although it felt a little slower and I thought it was because of the "no > driver assigned messages". I think that USB device steals an IRQ now, so > now every IRQ available is being used. I think the next great chipset > should support more IRQs (Is that possible)? You can have as many interrupts as you want, with PCI, but PCI on PC-compatible hardware is restricted to the PC interrupt structure (for backwards compatibility reasons if some PCI card that completely emulates some ISA card is installed, and to be used with the ISA driver). > So the TX is even slower than the VX for EDO? This gives me a very bad > feeling... No, I don't think I wrote that (at least I didn't want to ... :) The TX should be better than the VX, which was slow with EDO, but slightly faster than the Triton 2 with SDRAM. The major limitation of the VX chip set is that it only supports 64MB of DRAM covered by secondary cache, so it is no good for server machines with a few hundred MB of RAM ... Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 12:52:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27834 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27819 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA08046 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:52:07 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id VAA19850 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:51:48 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id VAA09713; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:44:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970610214454.53293@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:44:54 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 References: <19970610112536.48352@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <19970610112536.48352@mi.uni-koeln.de>; from Stefan Esser on Tue, Jun 10, 1997 at 11:25:36AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3359 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Stefan Esser: > Does the code in FreeBSD-current use the FPU bcopy for the AMD K5 ??? Probably as it is also a 586-class CPU (I think). Use flags 0x7 to disable all FPU usage on AMD and Cyrix CPUs. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #18: Sun Jun 8 15:32:28 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 13:37:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00802 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00794 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21682; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:35:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706102035.OAA21682@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: dave@persprog.com cc: Chuck Robey , Tom Samplonius , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:00:53 EDT." <339D9655.6B9285BE@persprog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:35:51 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > http://sysdoc.pair.com/pentiumII.html > > Unfortunately, these benchmarks do not evaluate multiprocessor > performance. In multiprocessor tests (unfortunately with Windows NT), A > Dell dual Pentium Pro 200 server was slightly outperforming a dual > Pentium II 266 server from Dell. I saw this in PC Week (I think). If > anyone can cite the article, please do so. For some reason, Dell had > priced the Pentium Pro system MUCH higher that the Pentium II - far more > than the simple hardware differences would justify. I would speculate > that SMP is more sensitive to changes in the L2 cache performance > uniprocessor designs since the Pentium II is otherwise superior unless > there is something fundamentally flawed with Slot One (which will be > replaced by the end of the year anyhow with Slot Two). Another > possibility is that the quite mature FX chip set is less optimal with > Pentium II's when attempting SMP. I would be willing to believe this is generally true, Were they close enough that a PII-300 would overcome the PPro? The PII will continue to get faster, the PPro is probably frozen @ 200mHz. ps. I'm not saying one or the other is necessarily the way to go at this point in time, there just is not enough info to take a stand yet! I'm just "devil's advocating" a little... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 14:28:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04746 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04736 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wbYR1-0005PJ-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:26:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Steve Passe cc: dave@persprog.com, Chuck Robey , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-Reply-To: <199706102035.OAA21682@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Steve Passe wrote: ... > that a PII-300 would overcome the PPro? The PII will continue to get faster, > the PPro is probably frozen @ 200mHz. I hope not. I've got a PPro mb that supports clock rates up to 266mhz, and I would like to get a chance to do that someday. According to whats been said here, a PPro should perform better than a PII, if running at the same clock rate. Hopefully Intel will allow the PPro to run at 233 and 266 in the future. > ps. I'm not saying one or the other is necessarily the way to go at this point > in time, there just is not enough info to take a stand yet! I'm just "devil's > advocating" a little... > > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 15:36:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08772 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08762 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22061; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:36:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706102236.QAA22061@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Tom Samplonius cc: dave@persprog.com, Chuck Robey , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:26:34 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:36:13 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > the PPro is probably frozen @ 200mHz. > > I hope not. I've got a PPro mb that supports clock rates up to 266mhz, > and I would like to get a chance to do that someday. > > According to whats been said here, a PPro should perform better than a > PII, if running at the same clock rate. Hopefully Intel will allow the > PPro to run at 233 and 266 in the future. but this is NOT the way intel works. they are PROFIT driven. they don't want to compete with themselves (ie make the PPro competitive with the PII). I hope I am wrong, but I don'e expect to see the PPro go past 200mHz. If they do, expect the prices to be rediculous! -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 17:03:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14071 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14051 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA12555; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:32:28 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706110002.JAA12555@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Boot up failure In-Reply-To: <199706101742.MAA00935@compound.east.sun.com> from Tony Kimball at "Jun 10, 97 12:42:31 pm" To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:32:27 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, reese@chem.duke.edu, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball stands accused of saying: > > I have a large IDE disk with one block that will not read. > Am I to understand that FBSD provides no mechanism to deal > with a single bad block on a disk? No, FreeBSD provides several mehanisms for dealing with bad blocks. In your case, I would try the 'badsect' manpage, and possibly also 'bad144'. The previous correspondent had a disk showing the signs of catastrophic failure, which no bad-sector-remapping program is going to help. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 17:12:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15120 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15102 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id TAA16504; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:06:36 -0500 Received: from dave(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma016501; Tue Jun 10 20:06:16 1997 Message-ID: <339DEBF0.49FC2B3E@persprog.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:06:08 -0400 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Passe CC: Chuck Robey , Tom Samplonius , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706102035.OAA21682@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe wrote: > I would be willing to believe this is generally true, Were they close > enough > that a PII-300 would overcome the PPro? The PII will continue to get > faster, > the PPro is probably frozen @ 200mHz. They were very close, as I recall. A 300 should pull ahead but if this is Deschutes it is probably plugging into Slot Two. Slot One evidently has some shortcomings (just like PCI 1.0). Intel is obviously downplaying this changeover. -- It's not my fault! It's some guy named "General Protection"! --Ratbert David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 17:24:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16051 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16044 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22395; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706110024.SAA22395@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: dave@persprog.com cc: Chuck Robey , Tom Samplonius , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:06:08 EDT." <339DEBF0.49FC2B3E@persprog.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:24:23 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > > I would be willing to believe this is generally true, Were they close > > enough > > that a PII-300 would overcome the PPro? The PII will continue to get > > faster, > > the PPro is probably frozen @ 200mHz. > They were very close, as I recall. A 300 should pull ahead but if this > is Deschutes it is probably plugging into Slot Two. Slot One evidently > has some shortcomings (just like PCI 1.0). Intel is obviously > downplaying this changeover. no, I was thinking PII-300, which has been announced, but is NOT yet shipping. the Deschutes/slot2 is yet another piece of the puzzle. It presummably is a majot step up, amd should be available in the 6-12 month time frame. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 18:48:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20489 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 586quick166.saturn-tech.com ([207.229.19.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20469 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by 586quick166.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA00197; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:48:11 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: 586quick166.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:48:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell Reply-To: Doug Russell To: Howard Lew cc: Craig Johnston , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Howard Lew wrote: > CPU is AMD K5-PR133 > > FIC PT2006 (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R > Got 65MB/s > > FreeTech F63T (Intel VX) with 256K PB Cache & FreeBSD-2.1.7.1R > Got 62MB/s > > FreeTech F79 (Intel TX) with 512K PB Cache & FreeBSD-3.0SNAP-6/6/97 > Got 43MB/s > > Is there something different about 3.0SNAP6/6/97? Is there any option > parameter for the kernel config for the K5-PR133? Unfortunately, 2 > parameters changed, so I can't tell if it is the MB or the OS. I decided > to go with 3.0snap because of this missing TX PCI & IDE drivers. > > All three tests were done with 32MB EDO memory (set to best memory > settings). All of those seem rather low. Here's a couple of my home machines. All are very stable with their present memory settings: hobbes:/home/drussell {2} ruptime 586quick166 up 49+19:35, 2 users, load 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 bedroom up 49+19:26, 0 users, load 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 hobbes up 86+21:32, 4 users, load 0.51, 0.42, 0.60 hobbes:/home/drussell {3} exit ----- Gigabyte 486AM/S, AMD 5x86-133 overclocked to 150Mhz (50x3): hobbes:/home/drussell {1} dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 1000+0 records in 1000+0 records out 1048576000 bytes transferred in 11.257504 secs (93144626 bytes/sec) That's an old 486 with 16 Megs 60ns FPM, but it works server duty ---- Gigabyte 586VX, Cyrix 6x86-P166 (133 Mhz), 32 Megs EDO 586quick166:/home/drussell {1} dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1000 1000+0 records in 1000+0 records out 1048576000 bytes transferred in 13.524589 secs (77531080 bytes/sec) ---- Hmm... The 486 is quicker doing the copy. hehe. Are there any speedup flags/settings for the Cyrix chips? Ahh, I'll just get a K6. :) All are running 2.2-BETA. (The Cyrix shows up as a 486 under 2.2-BETA.) Later...... From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 20:22:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA24883 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24809; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA22994; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706110320.VAA22994@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" cc: brian@mpress.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P/I-P65UP5 + C-P55T2D dual Pentium MB In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:12:31 PDT." <199706101712.KAA24378@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:20:16 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > >> Has any one successfully installed FreeBSD on an ASUS P/I-P65UP5 dual Pentium > >> motherboard with C-P55T2D (two 200 MHz Pentium CPU) daughter board? > ... > The motherboards are OK. The problems are in the 3.0-SNAP. > I have filed a few bugs reports which cause kernel crash. > > One is the "dumps on wd0". is this an SMP specific problem? I had the same problem with SMP and "dumps on sd0", never tried it on UP. --- > The other one is weired, use NCR SCSI controllers, add two Quantum Fireball > 3.2 GB SCSI disk drives, the installation works fine. Adding three or more > such disk drives, installation boot process crashes before switch to the > Welcome FreeBSD menu. What I believe is that crashes at same place when > the "dumps on wd0" is used. So, they may be related problem. again, SMP specific? --- > Also, fopen/freopen failed on 3.0-SNAP in many cases. UP, SMP, both? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jun 10 23:55:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA06104 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA06093 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA06151 for hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:55:01 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.workcover.qld.gov.au by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with SMTP id OAA12539 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:54:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost by netfl15a.workcover.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id EAA23941 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:55:05 GMT Message-Id: <199706110455.EAA23941@netfl15a.workcover.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: VX chipsets & 512k of cache? X-Face: 3}heU+2?b->-GSF-G4T4>jEB9~FR(V9lo&o>kAy=Pj&;oVOc<|pr%I/VSG"ZD32J>5gGC0N 7gj]^GI@M:LlqNd]|(2OxOxy@$6@/!,";-!OlucF^=jq8s57$%qXd/ieC8DhWmIy@J1AcnvSGV\|*! >Bvu7+0h4zCY^]{AxXKsDTlgA2m]fX$W@'8ev-Qi+-;%L'CcZ'NBL!@n?}q!M&Em3*eW7,093nOeV8 M)(u+6D;%B7j\XA/9j4!Gj~&jYzflG[#)E9sI&Xe9~y~Gn%fA7>F:YKr"Wx4cZU*6{^2ocZ!YyR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:55:05 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Given the popularly held belief that the VX chipset won't cache more than 64MB, what does 512k cache on one of these boards buy you? Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of WorkCover Queensland, Australia. "We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 00:44:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA08189 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08178 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA09078 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:44:07 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with UUCP id JAA26102 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:43:41 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.5/keltia-uucp-2.9) id JAA01362; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:39:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970611093951.33576@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:39:51 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 References: <19970610112536.48352@mi.uni-koeln.de> <19970610213913.46089@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.67 In-Reply-To: <19970610213913.46089@mi.uni-koeln.de>; from Stefan Esser on Tue, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:39:13PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#3359 AMD-K6 MMX @ 208 MHz Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Stefan Esser: > No, the TX should be faster than the VX (which is slow, unless > you got SDRAM). The TX is (kind of) an enhanced version of the > VX, and is assumed to be faster than the Triton 2 (it got deeper > PCI buffers and supports new PCI 2.1 features that should improve >From what I read, HX (aka Triton 2 if I'm not mistaken) is still faster than TX (even with SDRAM) because while the TX buffers are bigger than the VX's, they are still smaller than HX's. Ref: > No, I don't think I wrote that (at least I didn't want to ... :) > The TX should be better than the VX, which was slow with EDO, but > slightly faster than the Triton 2 with SDRAM. If what you call Triton 2 is HX, then HX doesn't support SDRAM. That is the main problem with HX (and AFAIK the only one). > The major limitation of the VX chip set is that it only supports > 64MB of DRAM covered by secondary cache, so it is no good for > server machines with a few hundred MB of RAM ... Yes, I don't understand why they keep this stupid limit (except for marketing reasons that is). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: There are no limits -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #18: Sun Jun 8 15:32:28 CEST 1997 From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 01:11:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09228 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plaut.de (ns.plaut.de [194.39.177.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA09221 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from totum.plaut.de (totum.plaut.de [194.39.177.9]) by plaut.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA06845; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:11:25 +0200 Received: from localhost (afuchs@localhost) by totum.plaut.de (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09524; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:11:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:11:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: alex fuchsstadt To: sthaug@nethelp.no cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: <20071.866011725@verdi.nethelp.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > My own drives are good 5400 rpm drives, one IBM DORS 32160 and a Conner > > > CFP1080S. Giving each drive a controller helps too. You can buy 2x NCR for > > > much less than one Adaptec :-) > > > > ...and in my experience, you replace the two NCR's far more often than the > > one Adaptec... > > I guess experiences vary. I've never had a problem with my NCR controllers > (ASUS PCI-SC200), and I have three of them. > > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp. > Hi, I read all the mails about the overclocking theme and it turned to some different but interesting ones. I had a NCR 53C810 too and it died while working with fBSD, I suddenly got a message like: NCR died ......... I bought a new one and run it without any problems. I had a 486 ASUS motherboard before with one integrated NCR also running without anyproblems. Anyone else there having problems with suddenly died NCRs? Alex From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 01:36:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA10184 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdhw@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA10177 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bsdhw@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) id LAA07489; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:35:10 +0300 (EET DST) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199706110835.LAA07489@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: Re: VX chipsets & 512k of cache? In-Reply-To: <199706110455.EAA23941@netfl15a.workcover.qld.gov.au> from Stephen Hocking at "Jun 11, 97 02:55:05 pm" To: sysseh@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:35:10 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Given the popularly held belief that the VX chipset won't cache more than > 64MB, what does 512k cache on one of these boards buy you? well, it's not a belief, it's a fact. also TX caches only 64MB. intel have chosen it's products wisely. anyone in need of "full" caching abilities with sdram/dimm, is "forced" to go to pro/pii sollutions. ofcourse, it's only a good decision for _them_. :\ > Stephen mickey From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 05:35:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20017 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20007 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from graham@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.8.3/8.6.9) id NAA03097 for hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:35:38 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Breach Message-Id: <199706111235.NAA03097@fgate.flevel.co.uk> Subject: Touch Screen To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:35:38 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any experience of using touch screens under FreeBSD (specifically the MicroTouch QuikPoint)? -- /* Graham Breach * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * http://www.cybercities.net/fxhtml - FXHTML web building tool * */ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 06:16:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA22093 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22086 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA16486; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:45:48 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199706111315.WAA16486@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Touch Screen In-Reply-To: <199706111235.NAA03097@fgate.flevel.co.uk> from Graham Breach at "Jun 11, 97 01:35:38 pm" To: graham@flevel.co.uk (Graham Breach) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:45:47 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Graham Breach stands accused of saying: > > Does anyone have any experience of using touch screens under FreeBSD > (specifically the MicroTouch QuikPoint)? No, although I have a local vendor that has deisgned a hack-on version (designed for intrinsically safe environments) that I'd be happy to write a driver for if someone thought they could sell some. The same people do an intrinsically safe keyboard/mouse (joystick) unit that is known to work just dandy too. > /* Graham Breach * -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 06:19:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA22312 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22305 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 06:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA17416; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:19:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:19:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199706111319.IAA17416@plains.NoDak.edu> To: smp@csn.net, tom@sdf.com Subject: Re: fastest possible FreeBSD system? Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, dave@persprog.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I hope I am wrong, but I don'e expect to see the PPro go past 200mHz. > If they do, expect the prices to be rediculous! Intel has announced that the 200 MHz is the fastest PPro they will make. The also said they will make a new 1024K cache version of the PPro for the multiprocessor people, but if memory serves me, the expected price was something near $2000! This information should be available in their web page. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 07:00:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA24358 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA24352 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.3.81.149] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id qa206326 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:00:54 -0500 Message-ID: <339E6934.41C67EA6@tri-lakes.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:00:36 +0000 From: Chris Dillon X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Boot up failure References: <1.5.4.32.19970610134414.006eec70@chem.duke.edu> <199706101455.AAA09464@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> <199706101742.MAA00935@compound.east.sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Kimball wrote: > > Quoth Michael Smith on Wed, 11 June: > A bit deleted for brevity... > > I have a large IDE disk with one block that will not read. > Am I to understand that FBSD provides no mechanism to deal > with a single bad block on a disk? I just recently installed 2.2.2 on my 3.2GB Western Digital EIDE drive that until recently had a large amount of bad blocks which prevented FreeBSD from being installed at all. FreeBSD DOES have means for detecting and marking bad spots (called 'bad144') which the install can optionally use before the filesystem is placed on the drives (or after??). However, either bad144 or the way the filesystem is designed cannot handle a large amount of bad spots, and thus my drive was useless for a long time. I finally recently got ahold of some utilities from WD which thoroughly tests the drive (and destroys all data, i might add) and remaps all bad-spots. In essence once it has done its job you have a "defect free" drive. Chris Dillon From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 07:33:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA26202 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA26159; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.5) id HAA18679; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:32:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:32:01 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" Message-Id: <199706111432.HAA18679@george.lbl.gov> To: smp@csn.net Subject: Re: ASUS P/I-P65UP5 + C-P55T2D dual Pentium MB Cc: brian@mpress.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk }> >> Has any one successfully installed FreeBSD on an ASUS P/I-P65UP5 dual Penti }um }> >> motherboard with C-P55T2D (two 200 MHz Pentium CPU) daughter board? }> ... }> The motherboards are OK. The problems are in the 3.0-SNAP. }> I have filed a few bugs reports which cause kernel crash. }> }> One is the "dumps on wd0". } }is this an SMP specific problem? I had the same problem with SMP and }"dumps on sd0", never tried it on UP. This is 3.0 specific problem at SMP mode. }--- }> The other one is weired, use NCR SCSI controllers, add two Quantum Fireball }> 3.2 GB SCSI disk drives, the installation works fine. Adding three or more }> such disk drives, installation boot process crashes before switch to the }> Welcome FreeBSD menu. What I believe is that crashes at same place when }> the "dumps on wd0" is used. So, they may be related problem. } }again, SMP specific? This is dual Pentium problem. It happenes on 2.2.2 and 3.0-SNAP. 2.2.1 and 2.1.7 works OK. }--- }> Also, fopen/freopen failed on 3.0-SNAP in many cases. } }UP, SMP, both? } 3.0 specific problem only. It is regardless # of CPUs or SMP. -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 07:41:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA26883 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [205.138.224.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26858; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp8073.la.inreach.net (ppp8073.la.inreach.net [199.107.161.73]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.3/8.7.1) with SMTP id HAA19368; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: dburr@POBoxes.com (Donald Burr) To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, hosokawa@jp.FreeBSD.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: FreeBSD 2.2.1, PAO 970331, and New Media Toast'n'Jam (SCSI portion): possible? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:37:22 GMT Organization: InReach Internet Communications Reply-To: dburr@POBoxes.com Message-ID: <339fb53f.475053@news.inreach.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/32.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently ordered FreeBSD 2.2.1 from Walnut Creek, because I really wanted to get back into running , tweaking, and playing around with UNIX. But I'm having a bit of a problem here. First, my hardware configuration: Toshiba Satellite 105CS 810 MB internal HD (do not want to use - see below) Intel PCMCIA controller PCMCIA Cards: New Media Toast'n'Jam, USRobotics Sportster 33.6 Peripherals hanging off SCSI card: Iomega Jaz 1GB cartridge drive, NEC 8x CD-ROM drive Since I have no space left on my internal drive, and still need to access Win95 and use my applications, I want to install FreeBSD on its own 1 GB Jaz cartridge. But the standard FreeBSD distribution does not support PCMCIA at all -- it did not detect any of my PCMCIA devices, etc. So, after searching around the web a while, I found the PAO package (version 970331), at: http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/PAO/ I read that multifunction cards are NOT supported, and yes, the Toast'n'Jam card is a combination SCSI and sound card. But someone told me that the SCSI portion of the Toast'n'Jam is identical to a New Media Bus Toaster, which *is* a supported card under PAO, so I figured "there's nothing to lose, let's try it, what the hell" I rawrite'd this boot image and loaded it. Sure enough, it displayed messages about probing PCMCIA sockets, etc. It even went so far as to say that my Toast'n'Jam was assigned the device aic0. However, none of the drives attached to it showed up! I discovered this when trying to install from the CD-ROM drive, and it said "no CD-ROM detected!" The Toast'n'Jam uses the same AIC controller as the Adaptec APA-1460, which *is* supported by PAO (I borrowed one that belongs to a friend, and it worked fine). I know this for two reasons: (1) PAO itself identified it as an aic0, and (2) because these two cards use the exact same driver (sparrow.mpd) under Win95. None of the debug messages on VTY2 (or any other VTY, for that matter) provided any useful information. No blatant error messages, etc. If someone can help me out here, that would be very much appreciated. If there is some configuration tweaking that I can try. Or, if this card is definitely NOT supported, please tell me, so that I can quit beating my head against the wall on this one. Please respond by e-mail if possible. Thank you! -- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW Home Page: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455| right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 564-1871 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 09:30:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03077 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03072 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA00216; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199706111629.JAA00216@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 In-Reply-To: <19970611093951.33576@keltia.freenix.fr> from Ollivier Robert at "Jun 11, 97 09:39:51 am" To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:29:39 +0000 () Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > > The major limitation of the VX chip set is that it only supports > > 64MB of DRAM covered by secondary cache, so it is no good for > > server machines with a few hundred MB of RAM ... > > Yes, I don't understand why they keep this stupid limit (except for > marketing reasons that is). It is a technical limitation, you can cache 64MB of memory using a single 8 bit tag ram, if you want to cache more than that you need a wider tag ram, and more bits between the cache controller chip and the tags, and a wider tag comparitor. Those the cost to do this is small when you consider that 95% of the target market for the chipset is not going to use these added features it becomes a simple economic decision. Is what I don't like is that Intel tends to make it hard to find out the detailed limitations of each chipset the produce. They have gotten better over time, but they don't come out right up front and say things about some of the more important details (like the fact that the TX chip set has no Parity logic :-(). -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 10:06:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04626 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04598; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25497; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:05:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706111705.LAA25497@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" cc: smp@csn.net, brian@mpress.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P/I-P65UP5 + C-P55T2D dual Pentium MB In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:32:01 PDT." <199706111432.HAA18679@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:05:26 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > }> >> Has any one successfully installed FreeBSD on an ASUS P/I-P65UP5 dual Penti > }um > }> >> motherboard with C-P55T2D (two 200 MHz Pentium CPU) daughter board? > } ... > }> The other one is weired, use NCR SCSI controllers, add two Quantum Fireball > }> 3.2 GB SCSI disk drives, the installation works fine. Adding three or more > }> such disk drives, installation boot process crashes before switch to the > }> Welcome FreeBSD menu. What I believe is that crashes at same place when > }> the "dumps on wd0" is used. So, they may be related problem. > } > }again, SMP specific? > > This is dual Pentium problem. It happenes on 2.2.2 and 3.0-SNAP. 2.2.1 and 2.1.7 > works OK. this can't be right, there is no SMP kernel for 2.2.2 -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 10:29:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05798 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA05772; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA24005; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:28:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:28:27 -0700 From: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" Message-Id: <199706111728.KAA24005@george.lbl.gov> To: smp@csn.net Subject: Re: ASUS P/I-P65UP5 + C-P55T2D dual Pentium MB Cc: brian@mpress.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk :> }> >> Has any one successfully installed FreeBSD on an ASUS P/I-P65UP5 dual Pe :nti :> }um :> }> >> motherboard with C-P55T2D (two 200 MHz Pentium CPU) daughter board? :> } ... :> }> The other one is weired, use NCR SCSI controllers, add two Quantum Fireball :> }> 3.2 GB SCSI disk drives, the installation works fine. Adding three or more :> }> such disk drives, installation boot process crashes before switch to the :> }> Welcome FreeBSD menu. What I believe is that crashes at same place when :> }> the "dumps on wd0" is used. So, they may be related problem. :> } :> }again, SMP specific? :> :> This is dual Pentium problem. It happenes on 2.2.2 and 3.0-SNAP. 2.2.1 and 2.1 :.7 :> works OK. : :this can't be right, there is no SMP kernel for 2.2.2 Did I say SMP problem? I said it is dual Pentium problem. Again, NOT SMP specific. The rest problems are. -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 10:36:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06288 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06270; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25671; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:35:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199706111735.LAA25671@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: "Jin Guojun[ITG]" cc: brian@mpress.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P/I-P65UP5 + C-P55T2D dual Pentium MB In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:28:27 PDT." <199706111728.KAA24005@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:35:48 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > :> This is dual Pentium problem. It happenes on 2.2.2 and 3.0-SNAP. 2.2.1 and 2.1 > :.7 > :> works OK. > : > :this can't be right, there is no SMP kernel for 2.2.2 > > Did I say SMP problem? I said it is dual Pentium problem. > Again, NOT SMP specific. The rest problems are. thanx, just trying to clarify... about the fopen problem, any specific program demonstrate this? I would thing things would fall over left and right if fopen() had a problem. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 10:52:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06944 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06939 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from louis.ourway.com (async249-97.async.duke.edu [152.3.249.97]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.8.5/Duke-4.4.1) with SMTP id NAA20556; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970611174957.00695aa8@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:49:57 -0400 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Charles Reese Subject: Re: Boot up failure Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:00 AM 6/11/97 +0000, you wrote: >Tony Kimball wrote: >> >> Quoth Michael Smith on Wed, 11 June: >> > >A bit deleted for brevity... > >> >> I have a large IDE disk with one block that will not read. >> Am I to understand that FBSD provides no mechanism to deal >> with a single bad block on a disk? > >I just recently installed 2.2.2 on my 3.2GB Western Digital EIDE drive >that until recently had a large amount of bad blocks which prevented >FreeBSD from being installed at all. FreeBSD DOES have means for >detecting and marking bad spots (called 'bad144') which the install can >optionally use before the filesystem is placed on the drives (or >after??). However, either bad144 or the way the filesystem is designed >cannot handle a large amount of bad spots, and thus my drive was useless >for a long time. I finally recently got ahold of some utilities from WD >which thoroughly tests the drive (and destroys all data, i might add) >and remaps all bad-spots. In essence once it has done its job you have >a "defect free" drive. > > >Chris Dillon > > > Thanks to everyone who replied to my original post. I ran fsck with the -y option from single user mode and it seems to have fixed things at least temporairily. I have about 60 files in lost+found. Cheers Charlie Reese ------------------------------------------------------------- Charles E. Reese * * Durham, NC 27710 * Buy Sell Trade CDs * 919-660-1585 * NO MIDDLEMAN * 919-544-7217 * TOTALLY FREE * * http://trader.ourway.com * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 13:43:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16790 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA16784 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:43:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-44.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA03726 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:43:41 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA07008; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:43:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:43:36 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Ollivier Robert Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: poor memory bandwidth on ABIT IT5H rev 1.5 References: <19970610112536.48352@mi.uni-koeln.de> <19970610213913.46089@mi.uni-koeln.de> <19970611093951.33576@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: <19970611093951.33576@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 09:39:51AM +0200 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 11, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Stefan Esser: > > No, I don't think I wrote that (at least I didn't want to ... :) > > The TX should be better than the VX, which was slow with EDO, but > > slightly faster than the Triton 2 with SDRAM. > > If what you call Triton 2 is HX, then HX doesn't support SDRAM. That is the > main problem with HX (and AFAIK the only one). Well, seems I (again) wrote a too complex sentence ... I meant to say, the VX is slow with EDO, but with SDRAM it may be slightly faster than the Triton 2 (HX), which only supports EDO ... :) Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jun 11 13:54:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17419 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17410 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 13:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr2-44.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE with SMTP id AA03928 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:54:26 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) id WAA07053; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:54:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:54:20 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: alex fuchsstadt Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overclocking References: <20071.866011725@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74 In-Reply-To: ; from alex fuchsstadt on Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 10:11:27AM +0200 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 11, alex fuchsstadt wrote: > I read all the mails about the overclocking theme and it turned to some > different but interesting ones. > I had a NCR 53C810 too and it died while working with fBSD, I suddenly got > a message like: NCR died ......... Well, there is no test for a "dead" NCR chip in the code, so you can only have received a message from the timeout handler, which warns if no progress has been made for some time. > I bought a new one and run it without any problems. I had a 486 ASUS > motherboard before with one integrated NCR also running without > anyproblems. > Anyone else there having problems with suddenly died NCRs? I have heard of just a few defective NCR chips over the last three years. Symptons were different: From complete failure (system won't start with controller card installed) to a data pattern dependent lockup (one NCR card could not extract some NetBSD distribution file: Writing a certain data pattern lead to a PCI bus error interrupt, and thus one file could not be written to disk; replacing the NCR, card solved that ...) Most of the problems I've heard of should have been covered by the SCSI card's warranty. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 12 00:17:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA13770 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from plaut.de (ns.plaut.de [194.39.177.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13764; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from totum.plaut.de (totum.plaut.de [194.39.177.9]) by plaut.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA12589; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:17:46 +0200 Received: from localhost (afuchs@localhost) by totum.plaut.de (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06068; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:17:46 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:17:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: alex fuchsstadt To: Stefan Esser cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: overclocking In-Reply-To: <19970611225420.26050@mi.uni-koeln.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Stefan Esser wrote: > On Jun 11, alex fuchsstadt wrote: > > I read all the mails about the overclocking theme and it turned to some > > different but interesting ones. > > I had a NCR 53C810 too and it died while working with fBSD, I suddenly got > > a message like: NCR died ......... > > Well, there is no test for a "dead" NCR chip in the code, > so you can only have received a message from the timeout > handler, which warns if no progress has been made for some > time. > There was a timeout message, sure, but there was a message like (!) NCR died.... also. The system was running fBSD 2.1, installation from CDROM. Do you know whether it's the NCR-chip itself or something different of the few parts of the small board? Alexander Fuchsstadt -------------------- R/3-Basis Plaut Software GmbH From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 12 03:45:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA22099 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.rinet.ru (gw.rinet.ru [194.87.171.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA22092 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gw.rinet.ru id OAA24571; (8.6.11/vak/1.9) Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:44:52 +0400 From: marck@gw.rinet.ru (Dmitry Morozovsky) Message-Id: <199706121044.OAA24571@gw.rinet.ru> Subject: Overclocking Iwill motherboards To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:44:51 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, Is there anyone with "deep knowledge" of overclocking Iwill Pentium/6x/K6 motherboards? The board has single jumperline for both clock and multiplier and onother one for CPU voltage. At the very moment no hints on the web were found. Please cc your answers to my mail address. Thanx for cooperation. Sincerely, D.Marck ======================================================================== === D.Marck --- Dmitry Morozovsky --- marck@rinet.ru --- Wild Woozle === ======================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 12 14:16:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21348 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azr.aug.com (azr.aug.com [205.216.79.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21341 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from erich@localhost) by azr.aug.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19048 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Hinson Message-Id: <199706122115.RAA19048@azr.aug.com> Subject: Watson II voicemail board drivers? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:15:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone know of a driver for one of thease beasts? I once used it under DOS, but I'm not real excited about the idea of setting a DOS box up just to run this card. :) Thanks for your help. Eric From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jun 12 14:59:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23228 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ice.cold.org (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23217 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by ice.cold.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00206 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:59:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:59:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Brandon Gillespie To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: DAT drive crashes FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a WangDAT drive that, when I use it, crashes FreeBSD. My Hardware is: Adaptech 2940UW SCSI Controller WangDAT drive configured with no hardware compression, as SCSI-2, no hardware buffering, parity is enabled. If I tar to it, it generally crashes, although when I was just testing it it gave the following error instead (other tries caused it to crash tho): st0(ahc0:6:0): MEDIUM ERROR info:7a800 asc:c,0 Write error ''Just in case'' I changed the tape, but it made no difference. When it crashes the kernel does a frame/page dump to the screen and then waits 15 seconds. I can't really get all of the info, but the message it prints is something like: Timed out while idle, LASTPHASE=.... Help? Is my DAT drive dead? Anybody know where I can get it repaired at? -Brandon