From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 23 18:23:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA24155 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:23:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from azure.bayarea.net (azure.bayarea.net [204.71.213.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24150 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:23:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from proett@azure.bayarea.net) Received: (from proett@localhost) by azure.bayarea.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01862 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:23:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from proett) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:23:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Proett Message-Id: <199711240223.SAA01862@azure.bayarea.net> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: cyrix 486 problem Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a cyrix cpu: CPU: Cyrix 486DX2 (486-class CPU) Origin = "CyrixInstead" DIR=0x341b Stepping=3 Revision=4 I have had a lot of problems with my system hanging and have found that if I turn the internal cache off it will stay up. The external cache can be on. I have been expermenting with the various CYRIX_CACHE_WORKS options found in the LINT config file. I have not found anywhere else that gives any info about them. Is there documentaion for them? Does anyone have any suggestions for my cyrix cache problem? Thanks, Tom Proett From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 06:59:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA17327 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:59:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from luomat.peak.org (cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.83.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA17320 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:59:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luomat@luomat.peak.org) Received: (from luomat@localhost) by luomat.peak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08753 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:59:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711251459.JAA08753@luomat.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.0b6.5) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148.RR) From: Timothy J Luoma Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 09:59:16 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: lowest end FBSD router machine possible X-Image-URL-Disclaimer: hey, it's off my student ID, gimme a break ;-) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk {resending because it seems not to have made it to the list} I am looking to put together a low low end FreeBSD machine to ask as a ``router'' (is that the right term?) to do what I think it called `IP-Masquerading' Basically I have a cable modem and 2 computers, but only one static IP. I need the 2 computers to be able to talk to one another (NFS) and would like to be able to reach the internet through either machine. I have an Ethernet hub (Linksys, 5 port). I also have an extra Intel EtherExpress ethernet card I'd like to use for the new cheap machine. I need to know how low-end I can go. 486dx/66? What kind of additional hardware? Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. I've never done this before but have some UNIX experience (NeXTStep). TjL From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 07:52:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA21799 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from mailhub (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA21792 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fj@schizo.dk.tfs.com) Received: from schizo.dk.tfs.com by mailhub (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA14530; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:45:48 -0800 Received: (from fj@localhost) by schizo.dk.tfs.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA28849; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:51:55 +0100 (MET) From: Flemming Jacobsen Message-Id: <199711251551.QAA28849@schizo.dk.tfs.com> Subject: Re: lowest end FBSD router machine possible In-Reply-To: <199711251459.JAA08753@luomat.peak.org> from Timothy J Luoma at "Nov 25, 97 09:59:16 am" To: luomat@peak.org (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:51:55 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, > I am looking to put together a low low end FreeBSD machine to ask > as a ``router'' (is that the right term?) to do what I think it > called `IP-Masquerading' > > Basically I have a cable modem and 2 computers, but only one static > IP. I need the 2 computers to be able to talk to one another (NFS) > and would like to be able to reach the internet through either > machine. > > I have an Ethernet hub (Linksys, 5 port). I also have an extra > Intel EtherExpress ethernet card I'd like to use for the new cheap > machine. > > I need to know how low-end I can go. 486dx/66? What kind of > additional hardware? I remember from the time I followed Brent Chapmans firewall mailing list, that people seemed to agree that a 486dx/66 (with enough memory to avoid swapping) would do just fine as a firewall for a T1 connection. Have a look at: http://www.greatcircle.com/firewalls/ You'll want a good serial card with a 16550A chip or equivalent. Regards, Flemming -- Flemming Jacobsen It'll probably say something like "Does not TRW Financial Systems, Inc. compute" or "Inoperative parameters". That's Email: fj@tfs.com what it says when it doesn't know and doesn't Phone: +45 4330 4050 want to admit it. -- Terry Pratchett: Wings From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 08:11:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA22884 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:11:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov (anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov [141.221.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA22876 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cmott@srv.net) Received: from darkstar.home (dialin3.anlw.anl.gov [141.221.254.103]) by anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA05141; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:11:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:10:46 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Mott X-Sender: cmott@darkstar.home Reply-To: Charles Mott To: Timothy J Luoma cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lowest end FBSD router machine possible In-Reply-To: <199711251459.JAA08753@luomat.peak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Timothy J Luoma wrote: > I am looking to put together a low low end FreeBSD machine to ask > as a ``router'' (is that the right term?) to do what I think it > called `IP-Masquerading' [...] > I need to know how low-end I can go. 486dx/66? What kind of > additional hardware? A 486 with 16 meg of ram should be fine to start out with. > Thanks for any help you might be able to provide. I've never done > this before but have some UNIX experience (NeXTStep). Get familiar with FreeBSD first and then install natd (network address translation daemon) available at ftp://ftp.suutari.iki.fi/pub/natd It will be a little tricky for you to start out with, but if you are persistent, things will work. There are also alternatives to natd (Linux and a FreeBSD kernel modification). At the moment, you will need two ethernet cards with natd, one to connect to your cable modem and one to connect to your local network with your other home computer(s). Depending on the specific cable system you have, there can be some special things to do. Some systems get their addresses through DHCP. Some other systems have a fancier address registration mechanism. For an example, see a writeup on the San Diego Road Runner system: http://people.qualcomm.com/karn/rr/rr.html Two more things about cable modems. First, the systems are sometimes behind unusual firewalls (some ports blocked, others redirected). Second, U.S. cable companies are managed by really stupid people, so they may not be able to scale their internet systems as the user base grows. Charles Mott From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 08:28:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA24289 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:28:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov (anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov [141.221.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA24278 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:28:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cmott@srv.net) Received: from darkstar.home (dialin3.anlw.anl.gov [141.221.254.103]) by anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA05275; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:28:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:28:04 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Mott X-Sender: cmott@darkstar.home To: Timothy J Luoma cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lowest end FBSD router machine possible In-Reply-To: <199711251617.LAA13627@luomat.peak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > At the moment, you will need two ethernet cards with natd, one to connect > > to your cable modem and one to connect to your local network with your > > other home computer(s). > > Even with a hub? I thought that I could do something like this: > > ___ 1st computer (fake local IP) > | > ---cable modem---> hub --|--- 2nd computer (fake local IP) > |___ > 486 running FBSD The configuration for natd would have to be as follows. The 486 would need two ehternet cards, one to connect to the cable modem and the other to connect to the hub. |---- 1st computer (10.0.0.1) | ---cable modem-----486 FBSD---hub--|---- 2nd computer (10.0.0.2) | |---- 3rd computer (10.0.0.3) | [...] If you are getting the 486 machine only to run IP masquerading and you are not experienced, there could be some problems. Natd is really a bonus for people who already want to use FreeBSD for other purposes. Charles Mott From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 08:32:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA24653 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:32:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from luomat.peak.org (cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.83.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24648 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:32:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luomat@luomat.peak.org) Received: (from luomat@localhost) by luomat.peak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14554; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:32:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711251632.LAA14554@luomat.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/luomat@peak.org.tiff In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148.RR) From: Timothy J Luoma Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 11:32:48 -0500 To: Charles Mott Subject: Re: lowest end FBSD router machine possible cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: X-Image-URL-Disclaimer: hey, it's off my student ID, gimme a break ;-) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Author: Charles Mott Original-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:28:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: > If you are getting the 486 machine only to run IP masquerading and you are > not experienced, there could be some problems. Natd is really a bonus for > people who already want to use FreeBSD for other purposes. is IP masq = natd? I'm not sure if you are talking about 1 thing or 2 -- yes this is new to me, although UNIX isn't. Yes the machine will be running headless, serving as an IP-masq box. What types of problems were you envisioning? I've heard that FBSD did this better than Linux (from a Linux user) so I was thinking it would be better to use FBSD than Linux for it... TjL From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 09:31:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00478 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:31:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov (anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov [141.221.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00433 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cmott@srv.net) Received: from darkstar.home (dialin3.anlw.anl.gov [141.221.254.103]) by anlsun.ebr.anlw.anl.gov (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA05459; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:30:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:30:20 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Mott X-Sender: cmott@darkstar.home Reply-To: Charles Mott To: Timothy J Luoma cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lowest end FBSD router machine possible In-Reply-To: <199711251632.LAA14554@luomat.peak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Timothy J Luoma wrote: > is IP masq = natd? I'm not sure if you are talking about 1 thing or 2 -- > yes this is new to me, although UNIX isn't. Yes, natd can do IP masquerading, which is generally considered to be a many-to-one mapping from a private address space to a single public address. But it is also more generalized than this. > > Yes the machine will be running headless, serving as an IP-masq box. > > What types of problems were you envisioning? If you haven't done it before, it takes a little time to get a FreeBSD box working and develop a systematic understanding of things. If your ethernet cards are plug and play, you have to use some DOS program to set them to specific IRQ and base addresses. You have to avoid addresses already used by the serial interfaces, disks, etc. > > I've heard that FBSD did this better than Linux (from a Linux user) so I was > thinking it would be better to use FBSD than Linux for it... The older versions of Linux masquerading would crash the system in certain circumstances, mangle tcp streams and not handle ping requests, but the latest version is said to be pretty good. There seems to be a lack of clear setup instructions and Linux uses insmod to support IP encoding protocols for an added degree of confusion. But Linux does support more IP encoding protocols (CUSeeMe, for instance) than FreeBSD. Charles Mott From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 09:35:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00989 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:35:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00984 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:35:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03012; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:35:52 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199711251735.SAA03012@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: lowest end FBSD router machine possible In-Reply-To: <199711251551.QAA28849@schizo.dk.tfs.com> from Flemming Jacobsen at "Nov 25, 97 04:51:55 pm" To: fj@schizo.dk.tfs.com (Flemming Jacobsen) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:35:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: luomat@peak.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Flemming Jacobsen who wrote: > > > > I need to know how low-end I can go. 486dx/66? What kind of > > additional hardware? > > I remember from the time I followed Brent Chapmans firewall > mailing list, that people seemed to agree that a 486dx/66 (with enough > memory to avoid swapping) would do just fine as a firewall for a T1 > connection. > Have a look at: http://www.greatcircle.com/firewalls/ > You'll want a good serial card with a 16550A chip or equivalent. I've done this on a 16Mhz 386sx/4MB for a 64K ISDN line, works like a charm... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 17:11:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA25426 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:11:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (206-18-112-181.la.inreach.net [206.18.112.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA25419 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Received: from DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org [192.160.60.1]) by DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA25883; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:13:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199711251459.JAA08753@luomat.peak.org> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:06:02 -0800 (PST) Organization: Starfleet Command From: Donald Burr To: Timothy J Luoma Subject: RE: lowest end FBSD router machine possible Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My secret spy satellite informs me that on 25-Nov-97, Timothy J Luoma wrote: >I am looking to put together a low low end FreeBSD machine to ask >as a ``router'' (is that the right term?) to do what I think it >called `IP-Masquerading' Yep, that's right. >Basically I have a cable modem and 2 computers, but only one static >IP. I need the 2 computers to be able to talk to one another (NFS) >and would like to be able to reach the internet through either >machine. > >I have an Ethernet hub (Linksys, 5 port). I also have an extra >Intel EtherExpress ethernet card I'd like to use for the new cheap >machine. > >I need to know how low-end I can go. 486dx/66? What kind of >additional hardware? You don't even need to go that far. I've seen routers of this sort running on 386/40's with 8 MB of RAM. So if you have any old motherboards lying around (or your friends, workplace, etc.) do, put them to good use and build yourself a router box! Right now, however, I've got my router running on an AMD 5x86/133. It's very inexpensive, reasonably fast, and can be used to do "real" work as well as routing work. My machine has 32 MB RAM in it, but even 16 MB will do you nicely. You will need *two* Ethernet cards in your router machine. This is because, in reality, you are setting up two completely different networks. Your Internal network will be running on one of the ethernet cards, and the external network (i.e. your cable modem, and the path out to the Internet through it) will be running on the other. The "router" software that runs on your machine bridges the gap. Once you've set up the two Ethernet cards properly, got them working, etc., you will need to set up the router software. Take a look at the NAT (Network Address Translation) program (view the manual page for natd(8)). This will take some doing to set up, so be forewarned. - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNHt30PjpixuAwagxAQE3VwQAiw54WzP8NKQPFLHl6fgAwKY7tCbZVBC1 X7Sne0huRz8QYZYL5KDAKDnN8rbgSCPyCmVdMUw5bKxpS2l6UBydC7cWpZ6DAwrk sJKHocCfCCPdOD3ImwbRpqGn7ZePxT8+5Z+hycWMVhjvYMwbuA5blYGZsP/QB7/L dp9On+/uv+4= =OS1k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 25 18:13:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01825 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01811 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-65.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.65]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03378; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:13:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA11906; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:49:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711260149.TAA11906@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Timothy J Luoma cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: lowest end FBSD router machine possible In-reply-to: Message from Timothy J Luoma of "Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:59:16 EST." <199711251459.JAA08753@luomat.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:49:35 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > {resending because it seems not to have made it to the list} > > I am looking to put together a low low end FreeBSD machine to ask > as a ``router'' (is that the right term?) to do what I think it > called `IP-Masquerading' > > Basically I have a cable modem and 2 computers, but only one static > IP. I need the 2 computers to be able to talk to one another (NFS) > and would like to be able to reach the internet through either > machine. > > I have an Ethernet hub (Linksys, 5 port). I also have an extra > Intel EtherExpress ethernet card I'd like to use for the new cheap > machine. Why add a 3rd machine? Simply add an ethernet card to one of your existing (presumably FreeBSD?) machines and teach it to do natd tricks for the other machine. With this setup you won't need the hub until you add still another machine. Or is it possible neither of the two machines is FreeBSD'ed? :-( -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 26 01:46:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA04468 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from wall.jhs.no_domain (vector.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA04444; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@wall.jhs.no_domain) Received: from wall.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wall.jhs.no_domain (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA00949; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:15:36 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199711242115.WAA00949@wall.jhs.no_domain> To: Kent Hauser cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: large IDE disks From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ (including PGP key) X-Tel: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-Data: +49.89.26023276 X-Company: Vector Systems Ltd, Unix & Internet Consultants X-Mailer: EXMH-1.6.9 + FreeBSD-2.2.2 (Unix) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:01 EST." <199711201539.KAA14531@rtp.tfd.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:15:34 +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Kent Hauser > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:01 -0500 (EST) > Message-id: <199711201539.KAA14531@rtp.tfd.com> Kent Hauser wrote: > > I need some advice. > > I'm putting a 2.2 GB IDE disk in my laptop. The problem is the > bad sector information. With the straightforward approach, you > can only store 126 bad sectors. A lot more than that were found. > > My question is: how's this done? How do you get freebsd to > handle big disks? > > Please respond directly as I'm not on the list. Thanks. A friend (Terry Carroll, Munich (still not on the net) told me he used fdisk to carve his disc into 4 slices first, then he ran bad144 * 4. Ive no idea if this is valid or not, no doubt other wiser people will comment :-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 26 04:45:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA13852 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from math.berkeley.edu (math.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.183.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA13842 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:45:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@math.berkeley.edu) Received: (from dan@localhost) by math.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA15871; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:45:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: dan@math.berkeley.edu (Dan Strick) Message-Id: <199711261245.EAA15871@math.berkeley.edu> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: large IDE disks Cc: dan@math.berkeley.edu, kent@tfd.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm putting a 2.2 GB IDE disk in my laptop. The problem is the > > bad sector information. With the straightforward approach, you > > can only store 126 bad sectors. A lot more than that were found. > > A friend (Terry Carroll, Munich (still not on the net) > told me he used fdisk to carve his disc into 4 slices first, > then he ran bad144 * 4. > Ive no idea if this is valid or not, > no doubt other wiser people will comment :-) My attitude toward IDE drive maintenance may be seriously outdated, but here it is anyway: ("no doubt other wiser people will comment") IDE disk systems simulate an ancient IBM PC/AT ST506 disk controller with a few semi-standard extensions required to support modern disk drives. The logic that emulates the old controller is almost entirely embedded in the IDE disk drives. The behavior of an IDE drive when emulating a special controller function (such as formatting) is less well standardized. Since modern drives and modern PCs have modern performance characteristics, a literal interpretation of old drive formatting commands may be inappropriate. Vendors of IDE drives used to provide special drive maintenance programs that invoked proprietary disk drive features. If you attempted to do a low level reformatting of your drive using the standard DOS utilities, you might well end up with an inappropriately formatted disk (e.g. with sector interleaving). Reformatting an IDE disk was a bad idea unless you knew that the reformatting program was appropriate for that specific IDE disk drive. Vendors no longer provide special drive maintenance programs for IDE drives, perhaps because the DOS marketplace never really understood what it called "low level" formatting. I think they expect the end user to leave the "low level" formatting alone. If bad sectors develop, then the end user reruns the DOS FORMAT program or some other utility to remove the bad sectors from the active file system. If the "low level" format becomes really degraded, then the end user thinks the drive is busted and buys a new drive. What has this got to do with "bad144"? BAD144 is an ancient DEC standard for bad sector forwarding. It is totally inappropriate for modern drives which can have thousands of bad spots that are made invisible to unsophisticated disk driver programs by other more elegant means. I don't see anything on the bad144 man page that suggests it has been kept technologically up-to-date. I doubt that you are really expected to use it. Modern IDE drives may be smart enough to ignore the details of a low level drive command and do the "right thing" instead (including surface analysis) when you tickle them with an obsolete format command. Perhaps the thing to do is use the PC BIOS disk formatting feature and test the drive carefully afterwards (perhaps with the bad144 program). If the drive still seems to have bad spots or has developed antisocial behavior (like bad performance), buy a new one. Better yet, buy a SCSI card. Dan Strick dan@math.berkeley.edu From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 26 18:21:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA20594 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from luomat.peak.org (cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.83.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA20055 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luomat@luomat.peak.org) Received: (from luomat@localhost) by luomat.peak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28039 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:15:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711270215.VAA28039@luomat.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.1mach v148) X-Image-URL: http://www.peak.org/~luomat/next/luomat@peak.org.tiff X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.1mach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148.RR) From: Timothy J Luoma Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 21:15:30 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SyQuest Drives and FBSD X-Image-URL-Disclaimer: hey, it's off my student ID, gimme a break ;-) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone installed FSBD on a SyQuest drive, specifically a SyJet? I'd like to be able to use the SyJet as the boot drive for several different OSes, so I can put one OS on each cart, boot the machine and voila.... Also, can I mount EZ135 SyQuest cart under FBSD? They are supposed to operate just like regular HDs. Any pointers welcome. TjL From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 28 08:02:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA21609 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:02:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from ec.camitel.com (merlin.ec.camitel.com [206.231.123.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21598 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:02:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cfortin@ec.camitel.com) Received: (from cfortin@localhost) by ec.camitel.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA24276 for FreeBSD-HARDWARE@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:16:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cfortin) Resent-Message-Id: <199711281616.LAA24276@ ec.camitel.com> Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:58:11 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: Christian Fortin Resent-To: FREEBSD-HARDWARE@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:15:14 -0500 (EST) From: Christian Fortin To: FreeBSD-HARDWARE@freebsd.org Subject: running sio at 460.8 Kbps with LavaPort-PnP serial borrd ? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This board http://www.lavalink.com/PRODUCTS/SERIAL/650/LAVAPORTPNP_01.HTML have a 16C650 Uart, and it's PnP. Is it possible to run it at 460.8 Kbps whit sio on FreeBSD ? Is the PnP feature of FreeBSD will work fine for sio ? the price of this board is: ~59$ US Do you have other suggestion, if I want to reatch this baudrate! ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Christian Fortin Date: 28-Nov-97 Heure: 10:58:11 ##############################################--------+ Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | G1P-1L4 | /--|<|--WM--|(--J Canada -----------------L---WM-----< \----1 --- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 28 08:32:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA22931 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA22925 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:32:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.6.9) id DAA06606; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:31:14 +1100 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:31:14 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199711281631.DAA06606@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: cfortin@ec.camitel.com, FreeBSD-HARDWARE@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: running sio at 460.8 Kbps with LavaPort-PnP serial borrd ? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >http://www.lavalink.com/PRODUCTS/SERIAL/650/LAVAPORTPNP_01.HTML > >have a 16C650 Uart, and it's PnP. > >Is it possible to run it at 460.8 Kbps whit sio on FreeBSD ? Is the PnP feature >of FreeBSD will work fine for sio ? Not quite. Some "constants" need to be. I don't know about PnP. >the price of this board is: ~59$ US >Do you have other suggestion, if I want to reatch this baudrate! Use 16550s with a faster clock and a smaller fifo trigger level (8 instead of 14). Real 16550s are specified to work at 1500 Kbps. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 28 12:24:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA06444 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:24:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06439 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:24:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@mindbender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02241; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:23:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711282023.MAA02241@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Bruce Evans cc: cfortin@ec.camitel.com, FreeBSD-HARDWARE@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running sio at 460.8 Kbps with LavaPort-PnP serial borrd ? In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 29 Nov 97 03:31:14 +1100. <199711281631.DAA06606@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:23:47 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>the price of this board is: ~59$ US >>Do you have other suggestion, if I want to reatch this baudrate! >Use 16550s with a faster clock and a smaller fifo trigger level (8 >instead of 14). Real 16550s are specified to work at 1500 Kbps. You can also do this with Hayes ESP cards, which have a 1024-byte FIFO, and a built-in rate multiplier, which is supposed to let you do up to 8 x 115.2 Kbps. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 29 07:10:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA04787 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 07:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA04782 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 07:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky.voltage.net (arky.voltage.net [208.15.104.72]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21716 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:08:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971129090926.007bf730@voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:09:26 -0600 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Susie Ward Subject: Diamond Fireport Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been considering trying a Diamond Fireport 40 UW SCSI adapter on a new server I'm putting together. I searched the archives and found a few references to them, but nothing really definitive. If anyone has had any experience with the Fireport on FreeBSD, good or bad, I'd like to hear about it. The price on these controllers is quite nice and if they'll work well I'd like to start using them :) TIA, Susie Ward From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 29 13:14:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA21103 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:14:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from quark.umd.edu (rkv-as5s59.erols.com [207.172.175.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21097 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crb@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (crb@localhost) by quark.umd.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00906; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:15:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crb@glue.umd.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.umd.edu: crb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Bowman" X-Sender: crb@quark.umd.edu To: Susie Ward cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diamond Fireport In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971129090926.007bf730@voltage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Susie Ward wrote: >I've been considering trying a Diamond Fireport 40 UW SCSI adapter on a new >server I'm putting together. I searched the archives and found a few >references to them, but nothing really definitive. > >If anyone has had any experience with the Fireport on FreeBSD, good or bad, >I'd like to hear about it. The price on these controllers is quite nice and >if they'll work well I'd like to start using them :) > >TIA, > >Susie Ward Is this the dual channel UW controller? If not, does any one know if the dual channel Diamond Fireport UW SCSI controllers work under FreeBSD? --------- Christopher R. 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