From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 9 07:09:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20857 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newsguy.com (perry.co.pathlink.com [207.211.168.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20851 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reyesf@newsguy.com) Received: (from reyesf@localhost) by newsguy.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA20075; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808091409.HAA20075@newsguy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Glenn Johnson" Cc: "FreeBSD advocacy list" Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 10:09:13 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: help in convincing management not to supplant Unix with NT Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 16:19:08 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/980730/crl_networ_1.html > (read how wcarchive.cdrom.com, running FreeBSD, outperformed 40 > Microsoft machines running NT). This is still my favourite. Tell your management that Hotmail, which is now OWNED BY MICROSOFT, is using FreeBSD. They tried to replace it with NT and it could not handle the load. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 9 14:20:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25048 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25037 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10744; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:20:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35CE1287.1F8E492A@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 15:20:07 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: Glenn Johnson , FreeBSD advocacy list Subject: Re: help in convincing management not to supplant Unix with NT References: <199808090309.WAA00774@gforce.bellsouth.net> <19980809161908.B11095@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 8 August 1998 at 22:09:37 -0500, Glenn Johnson wrote: > > > > At my place of employment, the management team, who are basically computer > > illiterate, have decided that there should be no Unix machines providing > > network or Internet services, only NT machines. > > Sure, that makes sense. The Internet runs on UNIX. Why use it to > connect? Was your first thought to find better management? Remember what Ed Yourdon tells us -- if you cannot support your management, vote with your feet. > > I am trying to convince them that this would be a mistake. This > > situation is complicated by the fact that the Network Administrator > > does not know anything about Unix and has shown an unwillingness to > > learn. Over the last 4 months, the AIX machine that the previous > > Network Administrator setup has been running happily without any > > intervention, while the NT servers have crashed at least twice a > > month. I personally have six FreeBSD machines (workstation usage) > > that have been running without any problems; but this does not seem > > to be enough evidence. Network administrators are easy to replace, ditch him and get a better one. > > I, along with a couple of other people are trying to present > > evidence to keep Unix systems running at our site. I searched the > > FreeBSD archives and found the reference to the article by John > > Kirsch about Unix vs. NT and have submitted that to management. I am > > curious if anybody else has had to go through this type of nonsense > > and could provide any pointers. I am particularly interested in Unix > > vs. NT for mail service. While at Intel late last year, our development team decided we needed a better (faster, more reliable, and better able to support widely distributed development) Source Code Management system. We tried several, and settled on Perforce. Since the Perforce server is available for a wide variety of platforms, I was requested to install it on the NT Server we used for testing. Our experience was horrible. While Perforce performed flawlessly, the NT server crashed at least once a week, and twice scribbled all over the disk while doing so. We had maintained careful backups using the NT Backup utility, which proved to be unreadable during one of these recoveries. Fortunately, I was also archiving copies of the critical Perforce files on our FreeBSD-based UNIX server as well. After the second catastrophic crash, I unilaterally decided to move the Perforce server to the FreeBSD machine. I moved the PCI SCSI controller and DAT tape drive to the FreeBSD box, ftp'd the Perforce server software from their ftp server, called Perforce support and was emailed a new license file. I had the server back on-line in an hour, and we noticed the server ran much faster on FreeBSD. Since then, the server has been rebooted once, to insure that system configuration file changes to the primary IP address were done correctly. It has now been up, without *any* system administration whatsoever, since Jan 20 of this year -- 201 days with no attention at all. Most amusing of all is that this machine, which we put together on a shoestring budget before Intel bought our wonderful little company, Dayna Communications, had an *AMD* processor in it. They're still using it because they're afraid another one won't be as reliable. They apparently don't believe me that it is FreeBSD that causes their reliability, not the combination of junkyard hardware, but they are at least smart enough to stick with a working combination. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 9 14:42:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27171 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27162 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23370; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:42:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd023350; Sun Aug 9 14:41:59 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19225; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:41:55 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199808092141.OAA19225@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: help in convincing management not to supplant Unix with NT To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:41:55 +0000 (GMT) Cc: gljohns@bellsouth.net, FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980809161908.B11095@freebie.lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Aug 9, 98 04:19:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I am trying to convince them that this would be a mistake. This > > situation is complicated by the fact that the Network Administrator > > does not know anything about Unix and has shown an unwillingness to > > learn. Over the last 4 months, the AIX machine that the previous > > Network Administrator setup has been running happily without any > > intervention, while the NT servers have crashed at least twice a > > month. I personally have six FreeBSD machines (workstation usage) > > that have been running without any problems; but this does not seem > > to be enough evidence. Institute crash and reboot logging for each machine. Wait one week to one month. Graph the data. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 9 15:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29955 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:18:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (pinsoft.internet.co.nz [202.37.141.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29949 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Received: from tui.pinnacle.co.nz (tui.pinnacle.co.nz [202.37.163.3]) by kakapo.pinnacle.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24105; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:17:57 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jonc@pinnacle.co.nz) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:17:23 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: Glenn Johnson cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help in convincing management not to supplant Unix with NT In-Reply-To: <199808090309.WAA00774@gforce.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Glenn Johnson wrote: > Over the last 4 months, the AIX machine that the > previous Network Administrator setup has been running happily without any > intervention, while the NT servers have crashed at least twice a month. I > personally have six FreeBSD machines (workstation usage) that have been running > without any problems; but this does not seem to be enough evidence. > IMHO, this is where you should attack the situation. How valuable is uptime to your management? What happens if it crashes just as a long weekend starts? How generous can they afford to be with overtime pay? -- Jonathan Chen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "We laugh in the face of danger, we drop icecubes down the vest of fear" - Edmond Blackadder III To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 9 15:54:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03747 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:54:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03735 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA07755; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:23:54 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA12860; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:23:53 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980810082353.I11095@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:23:53 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jonathan Chen , Glenn Johnson Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help in convincing management not to supplant Unix with NT References: <199808090309.WAA00774@gforce.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Jonathan Chen on Mon, Aug 10, 1998 at 10:17:23AM +1200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 10 August 1998 at 10:17:23 +1200, Jonathan Chen wrote: > On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Glenn Johnson wrote: > >> Over the last 4 months, the AIX machine that the >> previous Network Administrator setup has been running happily without any >> intervention, while the NT servers have crashed at least twice a month. I >> personally have six FreeBSD machines (workstation usage) that have been running >> without any problems; but this does not seem to be enough evidence. >> > > IMHO, this is where you should attack the situation. How valuable is > uptime to your management? What happens if it crashes just as a long > weekend starts? How generous can they afford to be with overtime pay? Now *that*'s an interesting approach. Get them to put their money where their mouth is: "If you install NT, we want a formal overtime policy". Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 9 20:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06191 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06186 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (root@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id UAA03672; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:59:24 -0700 Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id UAA10252; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:55:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone else wanting a native port of the General Mesh Viewer? In-Reply-To: <35CC7E51.CDDB479B@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >Frank Ortega, the author of GMV, told me that I am the first person to >ask for a FreeBSD port of his utility. He also stated that at Los >Alamos National Laboratory he didn't know anyone using FreeBSD, but if >we prove (by requesting the port) that a FreeBSD version would be useful >he wouldn't doubt in releasing a binary. >If you are interested, please drop Frank a line: > > http://www-xdiv.lanl.gov/XCM/gmv/GMVHome.html If you do the porting yourself, he will probably like that. I noticed that there is a Linux port. You can run the app under linux emulation. I am interested, but I have no time. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 10 00:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20568 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (haiti-103.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20559 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07201 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MOSIX for FreeBSD? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know if anyone on this list even reads Freshmeat, however, I was browsing it, and something quite interesting popped up. Named MOSIX, it's a set of patches for load balancing clustering. It looks pretty interesting if you've got the spare HW to setup a cluster. Sure, it's out for Linux (or will be soon), but it was originally designed for BSD/OS 2. Perhaps someone is interested? http://www.mosix.cs.huji.ac.il/ - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 10 05:46:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04619 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:46:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sequoia.lituus.fr (aux1-169.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.176.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04546 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@smtp.wanadoo.fr) Received: (from root@localhost) by sequoia.lituus.fr (8.9.1/8.8.8) id OAA00812; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:41:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:41:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199808101241.OAA00812@sequoia.lituus.fr> From: Stephane Legrand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Alex Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MOSIX for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex writes: > I don't know if anyone on this list even reads Freshmeat, however, I was > browsing it, and something quite interesting popped up. Named MOSIX, it's > a set of patches for load balancing clustering. It looks pretty > interesting if you've got the spare HW to setup a cluster. Sure, it's out > for Linux (or will be soon), but it was originally designed for BSD/OS 2. > Perhaps someone is interested? > > http://www.mosix.cs.huji.ac.il/ > Have you tried to contact the MOSIX authors to ask them if they have plans to make a port to FreeBSD (or others *BSD) ? Stephane Legrand. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 10 08:46:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22975 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22968 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:46:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27755; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19980810084458.A27606@mooseriver.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:44:58 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Stephane Legrand , Alex Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MOSIX for FreeBSD? Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <199808101241.OAA00812@sequoia.lituus.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199808101241.OAA00812@sequoia.lituus.fr>; from Stephane Legrand on Mon, Aug 10, 1998 at 02:41:49PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Aug 10, 1998 at 02:41:49PM +0200, Stephane Legrand wrote: > Alex writes: > > I don't know if anyone on this list even reads Freshmeat, however, I was > > browsing it, and something quite interesting popped up. Named MOSIX, it's > > a set of patches for load balancing clustering. It looks pretty > > interesting if you've got the spare HW to setup a cluster. Sure, it's out > > for Linux (or will be soon), but it was originally designed for BSD/OS 2. > > Perhaps someone is interested? > > > > http://www.mosix.cs.huji.ac.il/ > > > > Have you tried to contact the MOSIX authors to ask them if they have > plans to make a port to FreeBSD (or others *BSD) ? This subject came up at the June BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) meeting. According to Jordan Hubbard, he has had several conversations with the MOSIX people and they were not responding as in they were not much interested. MOSIX uses the network cards from Myrinet (www.myri.com) as the bases of it system. We have a driver for these cards and there is a version of MOSIX for 6 machines based on BDSI. This version is in the form of source code patches to BSDI 2.x and 3.x. Anyone feeling lucky ? Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 10 13:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25771 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (congo-69.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.227.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25766 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:12:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00689; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Stephane Legrand cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MOSIX for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199808101241.OAA00812@sequoia.lituus.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Stephane Legrand wrote: > Alex writes: > > I don't know if anyone on this list even reads Freshmeat, however, I was > > browsing it, and something quite interesting popped up. Named MOSIX, it's > > a set of patches for load balancing clustering. It looks pretty > > interesting if you've got the spare HW to setup a cluster. Sure, it's out > > for Linux (or will be soon), but it was originally designed for BSD/OS 2. > > Perhaps someone is interested? > > > > http://www.mosix.cs.huji.ac.il/ > > > > Have you tried to contact the MOSIX authors to ask them if they have > plans to make a port to FreeBSD (or others *BSD) ? Nope, not at all. I've only got a single decent computer, and I'm hardly an experienced kernel hacker. - alex | "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern | | technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." | | Powered by FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 10 14:52:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06142 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colet.itn.net (colet.itn.net [205.226.126.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06135; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@colet.itn.net) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by colet.itn.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28315; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19980810145230.A28299@itn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:52:30 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: freebsd-announce@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Aug BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) Meeting Reply-To: jgrosch@itn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group -- BAFUG -- The Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group (BAFUG) will be holding it's monthly meeting on Thursday, August 13. This months meeting will be held at The Silicon Reef in the Mission district of San Francisco. The meeting will start at 7:30 pm. Agenda: ==> Nicole Harrington and Josef Grosch will talk about their plans for the upcoming Install-A-Thon to be held on August 22 at the Robert Austin Computer show at the Cow Palace in Daly City. See http://www.freebsd-support.com/install.html for more details including directions on how to get to the Cow Palace. ==> Jordan Hubbard will give a short talk about the recent 2.2.7 and the upcoming 2.2.8 and 3.0 (Yeah!) release. ==> Josef Grosch will give a short talk about his FreeBSD Counter page. A beta of this can be found at http://www.superior.MooseRiver.com/FbsdCounter.html ==> Donations of hardware are needed to build BAFUG a scratch monkey for use at the Install-a-thons. ==> Pizza and Soda will be ordered and the hat will be passed `round. ==> Of course, we will have the usually kvetchen about sundry topics Location: This months meeting will be held at the Silicon Reef in San Francisco. The Silicon Reef is located at 3057 17th St, between Folsom & Harrison Streets. There is plenty parking on the street. Time: The meeting starts at 7:30ish with pizza showing up around 8:00ish. We generally get kicked out around 11:00 pm. Directions: By Muni: Routes 12 Folsom, 22 Fillmore, 33 Stanyan, and 53 Southern Heights stop nearby. By BART: Exit at 16th Street Mission, walk south to 17th Street, turning left (east) and proceeding 4 1/2 short blocks to 3057 17th Street, on the right (south) side. By Car: From the South Bay and Peninsula Take 101 North to San Francisco, Get off at Vermont Ave. exit. Turn left twice on to Mariposa westbound under the freeway. Proceed eight blocks to a right (north) turn onto Harrison where Mariposa dead-ends. Go one block to a left (west) turn onto 17th Street. Proceed about one full block, and park where you can. From the East Bay: Come across the Bay bridge (I-80 westbound) and get off at the 8th street exit, bearing half-left onto Harrison, proceeding nine blocks (curving half-left as Harrison turns southbound and goes under US-101) to a right (west) turn onto 17th Street. Proceed about one full block, and park where you can. From the North Bay: Come across the Golden Gate bridge. Follow 101 which turns into Lombard Stree. At Van Ness Ave. turn right. Continue south on Van Ness until 17th st. Take a left on to 17th. Park where you can. WWW info: More info can be found at the following URLs http://www.arachna.com/freebsd/freebsd-sf.html http://www.reef.com http://www.freebsd-support.com Contact: Please contact either Ian Kallen, Nicole Harrington, or Josef Grosch on or before August 12 so we can have a basic idea of how much pizza, soda, and coffee we will need. Ian Kallen can be reached at ian@gamespot.com Nicole Harrington can be reached at nicole@mediacity.com Josef Grosch can be reached at jgrosch@MooseRiver.com $Id: Aug98Announce.txt,v 1.5 1998/08/10 21:35:40 jgrosch Exp $ -- Josef Grosch | "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" | 650-470-6546 (O) jgrosch@itn.net | - Lord John Warfin - | 650-635-8018 (P) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 10 23:27:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16807 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16801 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul6.u.washington.edu (root@saul6.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.1]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA47398; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:58 -0700 Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul6.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id XAA09765; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:23:31 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Josef Grosch cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MOSIX for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19980810084458.A27606@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Josef Grosch wrote: >On Mon, Aug 10, 1998 at 02:41:49PM +0200, Stephane Legrand wrote: >> Alex writes: > >MOSIX uses the network cards from Myrinet (www.myri.com) as the bases of it >system. We have a driver for these cards and there is a version of MOSIX >for 6 machines based on BDSI. This version is in the form of source code >patches to BSDI 2.x and 3.x. No need to get lucky. Clustering has already been done on FreeBSD. Check out the trapeze project. They already cluster FreeBSD machines. It is a duke.edu project. I would think a prexisting port from FreeBSD fans would be desirable for ioctl (did i get that right?) reasons. http://www.cs.duke.edu/ari/trapeze/index.html The clustering software is available under "Tadaaaah" Berkeley License. The source is here... http://www.cs.duke.edu/ari/manic/tpz_www/trapeze_root.html Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 11 03:58:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13027 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from usc.usc.unal.edu.co ([200.21.26.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA13022 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from unalmodem17.usc.unal.edu.co by usc.usc.unal.edu.co (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15470; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:38:19 -0400 Message-Id: <35D02371.637CC5C3@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:56:50 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Reply-To: giffunip@asme.org Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone else wanting a native port of the General Mesh Viewer? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I understand why you are interested :-). Linux binaries ports are against my principles: It suggests we should never have a native port. If the sources were available, I'd surely port it. BTW I am only asking to drop a line to GMV's author, it could end up promoting FreeBSD in LANL Pedro. Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > >Frank Ortega, the author of GMV, told me that I am the first person to > >ask for a FreeBSD port of his utility. He also stated that at Los > >Alamos National Laboratory he didn't know anyone using FreeBSD, but if > >we prove (by requesting the port) that a FreeBSD version would be useful > >he wouldn't doubt in releasing a binary. > >If you are interested, please drop Frank a line: > > > > http://www-xdiv.lanl.gov/XCM/gmv/GMVHome.html > > If you do the porting yourself, he will probably like that. I noticed that > there is a Linux port. You can run the app under linux emulation. > > I am interested, but I have no time. > > Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering > Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 11 08:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23014 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23006; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:45:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07619; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19980811084429.A7551@mooseriver.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:44:29 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-sf@arachna.com Subject: August BAFUG head count Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heads up! I need a head count of people who are planning on attending Thursdays meeting. This is so I'll have some idea how much pizza, soda, and coffee to get. If you could respond by Thursday Noon it would be very helpful. Our normally scheduled hacking will now continue. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message