From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 25 01:31:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22225 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:31:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22220 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA15083; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:31:31 GMT Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:31:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Paul Richards cc: "'Thomas Valentino Crimi'" , "'Mike Smith'" , "'mjacob@feral.com'" , "'freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG'" , Andrew Gallatin Subject: RE: PCI mapping error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Paul Richards wrote: > I've just committed a fix for the problem with interrupts not working on > the Multia (and any other architecture using the Intel 82738). > > The mask used to enable/disable interrupts 8 to 15 wasn't correct. Since > all interrupts get disabled initially, any device on interrupts > 7 was > never having its irq enabled. > > My ethernet card now works fine :-) Hehe. I just sent some mail with a suggestion on how to debug it but you are way ahead of me :-). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 25 12:09:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12840 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:09:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from po9.andrew.cmu.edu (PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12827 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:09:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id PAA23177; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Jun.27.1996.03.02.53.sun4.51.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:07:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:07:44 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Valentino Crimi To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: PCI mapping error Cc: mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810242305.QAA28799@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199810242305.QAA28799@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I ran the test on an i386 and it seems to be working. The BIOS had a problem setting the display so it's headless. One problem of course is that I can't run anythign that can't get into multiuser so that the I can login via serial console. My current test sent va + register offset to number and read it back, and it works. Anyone want me to do any other tests on the PC before I give it back? ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 25 12:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13492 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from po9.andrew.cmu.edu (PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13464 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id PAA23403; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Jun.27.1996.03.02.53.sun4.51.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:12:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:12:26 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Valentino Crimi To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: PCI mapping error -uh-oh Cc: Mike Smith , mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810250025.RAA21960@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199810250025.RAA21960@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I take it back, it is not working properly under i386, I tried again with a second number :/ The magic number now is 0, rather than ffff.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 25 12:15:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13624 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:15:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles304.castles.com [208.214.167.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13613 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01058; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:14:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810252014.MAA01058@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson cc: "'freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: PCI mapping error In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:31:31 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:14:43 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Paul Richards wrote: > > > I've just committed a fix for the problem with interrupts not working on > > the Multia (and any other architecture using the Intel 82738). > > > > The mask used to enable/disable interrupts 8 to 15 wasn't correct. Since > > all interrupts get disabled initially, any device on interrupts > 7 was > > never having its irq enabled. > > > > My ethernet card now works fine :-) > > Hehe. I just sent some mail with a suggestion on how to debug it but you > are way ahead of me :-). 8) Now for the next question; does anyone know if it's "normal" for the world build to sometimes fall over in the middle with a bogus pointer free in make? I figured it probably wasn't, and that this poor little box was just overheating, but if this is a known heisenbug then I'll warm it up and try again... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 25 14:41:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24226 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:41:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles304.castles.com [208.214.167.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24221 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01684; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:40:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810252240.OAA01684@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Paul Richards cc: "'Thomas Valentino Crimi'" , Mike Smith , mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI mapping error In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:31:22 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:40:53 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > edits over ssh. BTW, how does one enable verbose mode under the new > > boot loader? ;) > > boot -flags v dka0 No, that's if you're using the NetBSD loader. > I wonder if cascading isn't working, my multia has the ncr on irq11 and > the de on irq15. > > What about your box Mike? That was indeed the case. I'll have to see what the AS200 is doing tomorrow. Does it use the Saturn PCI/ISA bridge as wel? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 25 14:47:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24649 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:47:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu (PO6.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24644 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:47:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id RAA05519 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Jun.27.1996.03.02.53.sun4.51.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:45:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8qAubqa00YUq0xvpQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 17:45:10 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Valentino Crimi To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TGA card interrupts Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On probe the TGA card comes up int a irq 11 according to it's docs though, it does not handle interrupt requests, to further: 5.7 Functions not supported The 21030 does not supoprt and ignores special cycle and interrupt acknowledge PCI transations. As a target the 21030 does not support exclusive accesses (LOCK cycles) for any of its registers or for display memory. The 21030 does not request exclusive access as a master. It would seem worrysome. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 25 15:20:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27347 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:20:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (st-lcremean.tidalwave.net [208.213.203.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27336 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:20:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net) Received: (from lee@localhost) by st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) id SAA00782; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:19:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19981025181956.A731@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:19:56 -0500 From: Lee Cremeans To: Thomas Valentino Crimi , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TGA card interrupts Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <8qAubqa00YUq0xvpQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <8qAubqa00YUq0xvpQ0@andrew.cmu.edu>; from Thomas Valentino Crimi on Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 05:45:10PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 05:45:10PM -0500, Thomas Valentino Crimi wrote: > > On probe the TGA card comes up int a irq 11 > > according to it's docs though, it does not handle interrupt requests, to > further: > [documentation blurb stripped] Intel PCs with PCI have this same problem...VGA cards (which almost _never_ need an IRQ) get assigned an IRQ unless the BIOS can be told not to do that. I gather gfrom what you've written that the TGA does not generate interrupts either, so doesn't need the IRQ. PS: _Every_ PCI device gets assigned an IRQ whether it needs it or not. I'm not sure if the spec actually says this, but in my experience with PCs, it seems to be the way things work. -- Lee Cremeans -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet and WTnet) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | mailto:lcremean@tidalwave.net http://st-lcremean.tidalwave.net | Powered by FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 25 15:34:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28339 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:34:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu (PO6.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28332 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) id SAA05994; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix14.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Jun.27.1996.03.02.53.sun4.51.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.unix14.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:33:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:33:09 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Valentino Crimi To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, lcremean@tidalwave.net Subject: Re: TGA card interrupts In-Reply-To: <19981025181956.A731@tidalwave.net> References: <8qAubqa00YUq0xvpQ0@andrew.cmu.edu> <19981025181956.A731@tidalwave.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Excerpts from mail: 25-Oct-98 Re: TGA card interrupts by Lee Cremeans@st-lcremean > Intel PCs with PCI have this same problem...VGA cards (which almost _never_ > need an IRQ) get assigned an IRQ unless the BIOS can be told not to do > that. I gather gfrom what you've written that the TGA does not generate > interrupts either, so doesn't need the IRQ. I noticed because the vga card (an Ark logic) on the computer I was booting the TGA card on didn't have an IRQ. vga0: rev 0x00 on pci0.8.0 If irq doesn't matter if it's there but not required, the search continues for what is preventing me from accessing the card. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 26 00:36:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17338 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17332 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:36:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA18309; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:37:05 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:37:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith cc: "'freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: PCI mapping error In-Reply-To: <199810252014.MAA01058@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Paul Richards wrote: > > > > > I've just committed a fix for the problem with interrupts not working on > > > the Multia (and any other architecture using the Intel 82738). > > > > > > The mask used to enable/disable interrupts 8 to 15 wasn't correct. Since > > > all interrupts get disabled initially, any device on interrupts > 7 was > > > never having its irq enabled. > > > > > > My ethernet card now works fine :-) > > > > Hehe. I just sent some mail with a suggestion on how to debug it but you > > are way ahead of me :-). > > 8) Now for the next question; does anyone know if it's "normal" for > the world build to sometimes fall over in the middle with a bogus > pointer free in make? > > I figured it probably wasn't, and that this poor little box was just > overheating, but if this is a known heisenbug then I'll warm it up and > try again... I believe that this is caused by make's misuse of execvp after vfork. This normally works but a while ago, malloc was using the wrong value for pagesize on the alpha and this caused problems. I fixed malloc but left the vfork alone; perhaps there are still problems (its in compat.c afaik). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 26 01:04:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19703 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:04:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19695 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:04:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18382; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:05:11 GMT Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:05:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Thomas Valentino Crimi cc: mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI mapping error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Thomas Valentino Crimi wrote: > > Excerpts from mail: 24-Oct-98 Re: PCI mapping error by Matthew > Jacob@feral.com > > > >Which platform this is would be helpful. > > I've been working on an AlphaStation 200 4/233. On the PCI bus are > also ncr and de drivers, which are working just fine. > > To answer one of Mike Smith's questions, va and pa are both set to > 0x88000000, I also double checked the mem-map register on the card at > one point. I'm going to be grabbing a PC with PCI support later on > tonight and see what pops up. > > Oh, another note. Before I tried out the read/write functions, I > tried using direct memory access, this paniced the kernel: > manual retype: > > fatal kernel trap: > > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) > a0 = 88400000 > a1 = 0x1 > a2 = 0x1 > ... > > If this is a more telling than read/write, I'll do a full register > dump and whatever else may help (show map gives another fault, unaligned > access) > > On a note, this card worked under AlphaLinux-XWindows before I got to > thinking it should do more than just be an X display. For important architectural reasons, the 'va' from pci_map_mem() is the physical address and the readx/writex macros translate it to a virtual address in a chipset-specific way. The addresses supplied by pci_map_dense() and pci_map_bwx() (you probably want pci_map_dense()) are normal virtual addresses but you should be aware that an 8 bit or 16 bit access will generate a larger access to the device (64 bits I think). This is fine for framebuffers but not for memory mapped registers. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 26 19:38:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03341 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03331 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:38:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03407; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:37:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG CC: shmit@rcn.com From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Daily SnapShot Server Online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:37:55 -0500 Message-ID: <3403.909459475@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is now a daily snapshot of the FreeBSD/Alpha tree online at: ftp://mirrors.rcn.com/pub/FreeBSD/alpha It should hold the last 3 days worth of builds. The only bits missing are ports and the doc dist (that'll need a bit more work for it to work on the build machine). I haven't had a chance to test this (I only have one alpha to play with, and I can't blow that away as its doing the builds :) ), so scream if there are any problems that are caused by me :) Enjoy, Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 27 11:15:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15450 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:15:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15445; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:15:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00560; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:15:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810271915.LAA00560@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Gary Palmer" cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, shmit@rcn.com Subject: Re: Daily SnapShot Server Online In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:37:55 EST." <3403.909459475@gjp.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:15:08 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > There is now a daily snapshot of the FreeBSD/Alpha tree online at: > > ftp://mirrors.rcn.com/pub/FreeBSD/alpha > > It should hold the last 3 days worth of builds. The only bits missing are > ports and the doc dist (that'll need a bit more work for it to work on the > build machine). I haven't had a chance to test this (I only have one alpha to > play with, and I can't blow that away as its doing the builds :) ), so scream > if there are any problems that are caused by me :) About the only critical problem preventing you from using sysinstall seems to be that boot2 is installed in /usr/mdec rather than /boot by default. If you remember to copy it manually from the holoconsole before rebooting, you should be able to do a full install with sysinstall. (I can't be 100% sure about this; there was a problem with the GENERIC kernel that got installed back at the 3.0-RELEASE level that may not be fixed yet.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 28 05:49:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01787 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:49:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.lgc.com (junior.lgc.com [134.132.72.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01782 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:49:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim.king@mail.sstar.com) Received: from oasis.zycor.lgc.com by junior.lgc.com (8.8.8/lgc.1.26) id HAA29281; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:49:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from maroon by oasis.zycor.lgc.com (8.8.8/lgc.1.20) id HAA19410; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:49:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199810281349.HAA19410@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> X-Sender: jim.king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:49:22 -0600 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jim King Subject: Installing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anybody had any luck using boot.flp on a Zip drive? Mine stopped and asked for the "floppy containing mfsroot.gz", then complained it couldn't find /mfsroot.gz, then hung. (This is off the 10-27 snapshot on mirrors.rcn.com.) Is the procedure for installing using the NetBSD boot floppy documented anywhere? I don't have any problem booting it and going through the file system setup, but I don't know what to do next. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 28 09:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19954 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:08:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19949 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:08:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26561; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Jim King cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:49:22 CST." <199810281349.HAA19410@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:07:27 -0800 Message-ID: <26557.909594447@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has anybody had any luck using boot.flp on a Zip drive? Mine stopped and > asked for the "floppy containing mfsroot.gz", then complained it couldn't > find /mfsroot.gz, then hung. (This is off the 10-27 snapshot on > mirrors.rcn.com.) You're supposed to load the mfsroot image too before booting the kernel. > Is the procedure for installing using the NetBSD boot floppy documented > anywhere? I don't have any problem booting it and going through the file > system setup, but I don't know what to do next. Pretty simple - just make the filesystems with install and then xfer over the dist bits you're interested in and run their install.sh scripts. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 28 09:47:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22935 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:47:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles337.castles.com [208.214.167.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22926 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:47:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03801; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:44:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810281744.JAA03801@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Jim King cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:49:22 CST." <199810281349.HAA19410@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:44:32 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has anybody had any luck using boot.flp on a Zip drive? Mine stopped and > asked for the "floppy containing mfsroot.gz", then complained it couldn't > find /mfsroot.gz, then hung. (This is off the 10-27 snapshot on > mirrors.rcn.com.) That's the kern.flp image you're booting there. You need a disk with the mfsroot.gz image on it to. > Is the procedure for installing using the NetBSD boot floppy documented > anywhere? I don't have any problem booting it and going through the file > system setup, but I don't know what to do next. I detailed it a few days back. But if the snapshot you're installing is up to date, I would go back and put the mfsroot.gz file on a disk and work with that. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 28 21:30:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04258 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.lgc.com (junior.lgc.com [134.132.72.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04253 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:30:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim.king@mail.sstar.com) Received: from oasis.zycor.lgc.com by junior.lgc.com (8.8.8/lgc.1.26) id XAA09042; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:30:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from maroon by oasis.zycor.lgc.com (8.8.8/lgc.1.20) id XAA05496; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:30:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199810290530.XAA05496@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> X-Sender: jim.king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 23:30:50 -0600 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jim King Subject: AlphaStation 200 doesn't boot? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After all the messages below there's no further output. This box doesn't have a video card - is there a boot flag I need to tell the kernel to use the serial console, or something? ========== >>>boot dka0 -file kernel.GENERIC (boot dka0.0.0.6.0 -file kernel.GENERIC) block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.0 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.0 bootstrap code read in base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1e4000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code NetBSD/Alpha Primary Boot Jumping to entry point... NetBSD/Alpha Secondary Boot, Revision 1.9 (cgd@notunix, Mon May 11 02:03:30 PDT 1998) VMS PAL revision: 0x1000000010538 OSF PAL rev: 0x100000002012e Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. Boot file: kernel.GENERIC Boot flags: Loading kernel.GENERIC... 2188888+172704 [34340+1523+262728+149888] Entering kernel.GENERIC at 0xfffffc0000321560... Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Oct 17 17:51:18 GMT 1998 jkh@beast.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC AlphaStation 200/400 ("Avanti") AlphaStation 200 4/233, 233MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. real memory = 65060864 (63536K bytes) avail memory = 59039744 (57656K bytes) apecs0: isa0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: ncr0: rev 0x02 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0 chip0: rev 0x43 on pci0.7.0 de0: rev 0x24 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.4 de0: address 00:00:f8:23:5e:fd mcclock0: at 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sc0 at 0x60 irq 1 on isa0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 29 02:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06148 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:40:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06143 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 02:40:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28809; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:43:05 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:43:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Jim King cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 doesn't boot? In-Reply-To: <199810290530.XAA05496@oasis.zycor.lgc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jim King wrote: > After all the messages below there's no further output. This box doesn't > have a video card - is there a boot flag I need to tell the kernel to use > the serial console, or something? There is a problem with the syscons probe when a machine doesn't actually have a video card. At the moment, you will need a kernel which has the syscons driver removed. This is on my list of things to fix but if someone beats me to it, I won't complain :-) -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 29 11:02:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03414 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pacific.net (pacific.pacific.net [199.4.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03405 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ufkartfm@pacific.net) Received: from pacific.net (slime-lake.pacific.net [209.209.2.250]) by pacific.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14632; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:01:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36384AF7.C1A13091@pacific.net> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:01:11 +0000 From: curtis Organization: Flying Snail Ranch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Rabson CC: Jim King , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 doesn't boot? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi jim, i had the same problem on my machine and here is what i did to get around it. i realize this is for a multia, but it may work for you. target machine: digital multia/266MHz/64MB get the multia kernel from mike smith's site: http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha/kernel.MULTIA cp kernel.MULTIA kernel gzip kernel get kern.flp and mfsroot.gz from your favorite mirror (out of floppies/freebsd/) dd kern.flp to a floppy mount the floppy and replace kernel.gz with the one you built above copy mfsroot.gz to a second disk and turn on the multia and insert boot disk. Testing Memory from 8 to 64 meg... Executing power-up script... Testing TGA version BL5 V3.8-1 Jun 22 1995 18:10:45 dka0.0.0.6.0 DKA0 TOSHIBA MK2526FB 908B dka600.6.0.6.0 DKA600 MEDIAVIS RENO CD-ROMX2A 2.04 dva0.0.0.0.1 DVA0 ewa0.0.0.8.0 EWA0 08-00-2B-E5-A6-33 pka0.7.0.6.0 PKA0 SCSI Bus ID 7 64 Meg of system memory *** keyboard not plugged in... Keyboard error; using serial port terminal >>>boot dva0 (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0) block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is a valid boot block reading 14 blocks from dva0.0.0.0.1 bootstrap code read in base = 166000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1c00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 158000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Console: SRM firmware console VMS PAL rev: 0x1000000010530 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020123 Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. FreeBSD/alpha SRM disk boot, Revision (root@sloth.noc.erols.net, Wed Oct 28 15:45:43 GMT 1998) Memory: 65536 k /kernel data=0x1f91a8+0x24ce0 syms=[0x8+0x3c3c0+0x8+0x222c0] Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter: Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000320360... Unrecognized boot flag '0'. [ kernel symbol table not valid ] Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-BETA #1: Fri Oct 2 16:56:16 PDT 1998 msmith@beast.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MULTIA DEC AXPpci (PCI ISA), 267MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. real memory = 64684032 (63168K bytes) avail memory = 58277888 (56912K bytes) lca0: <21066 PCI adapter> isa0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: ncr0: rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0 chip0: rev 0x84 on pci0.7.0 de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 de0: address 08:00:2b:e5:a6:33 vga0: rev 0x02 int a irq 10 on pci0.11.0 mcclock0: at 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console sio1: reserved for low-level i/o sio1 not found struct nfssvc_sock bloated (> 256bytes) Try reducing NFS_UIDHASHSIZ struct nfsuid bloated (> 128bytes) Try unionizing the nu_nickname and nu_flag fields Timecounter "alpha" frequency 267166666 Hz cost 173 ns de0: enabling 10baseT port da0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI2 device da0: 10.0MB/s transfers (10.0MHz, offset 8) da0: 503MB (1031970 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 503C) cd0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI2 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh: # (smile) well, at least it gets me to a prompt. good luck, curtis Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Jim King wrote: > > > After all the messages below there's no further output. This box doesn't > > have a video card - is there a boot flag I need to tell the kernel to use > > the serial console, or something? > > There is a problem with the syscons probe when a machine doesn't actually > have a video card. At the moment, you will need a kernel which has the > syscons driver removed. This is on my list of things to fix but if > someone beats me to it, I won't complain :-) > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 > Fax: +44 181 381 1039 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message -- curtis - ufkartfm@pacific.net - site administrator for Nobody I want Nobody to control my life! How about you? http://www.netvideo.com/nobody To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 06:39:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16009 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:39:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16001 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:39:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16184 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:39:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/3.0-19981029_ALPHA-SNAP Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:39:18 -0800 Message-ID: <16180.909758358@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This should have floppies and a bindist which works, but I haven't had a chance to try it yet so no guarantees and all that. You'll need to pick "Other URL" from the FTP install menu and type in: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/alpha/ To FTP install it, but that shouldn't be any significant hardship. At some point, once this is really working, we'll have to add a ${ARCH} variable to the mix so that 3.0-YYYYMMDD-SNAP releases just go automagically to the appropriate architecture distribution. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 15:21:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08299 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:21:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from malkavian.org (malkavian.org [206.138.59.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08292 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Received: from localhost (rbw@localhost) by malkavian.org (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA04886 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:21:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:21:28 -0700 (MST) From: "brian j. peterson" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list archives Message-ID: X-Prime: (2 ^ 3021377) - 1 X-URL: http://rbw.myplace.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone maintaining an archive of this mailing list? My freebsd-alpha folder is getting pretty large, but I'd like to be able to come back to some of these messages later. -brian j. peterson --===-----=======-----------=============-----------------=================== rbw aka bjp | today has never happened and it doesn't frighten me. rbw@myplace.org | -bjork, alarm call, homogenic ===================-----------------=============-----------=======-----===-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 17:17:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20536 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:17:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20419 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 4361 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 02:19:01 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <26557.909594447@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:19:01 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Jim King Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am getting an error message indicating ``Can't find /mfsroot'' ls form the boot, says ``Can't find / '' What gives? Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 17:28:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21321 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:28:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21316 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03242; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:28:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810310128.RAA03242@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:19:01 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:28:07 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I am getting an error message indicating ``Can't find /mfsroot'' > ls form the boot, says ``Can't find / '' > > What gives? When you make the mfsroot floppy, use the instructions in /etc/disktab when you newfs it. I don't understand why a "vanilla" filesystem doesn't work yet; you're welcome to investigate if you have a little time. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 17:50:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22871 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:50:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22845 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:50:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 5263 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 02:54:26 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810310128.RAA03242@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:54:26 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: > > > > I am getting an error message indicating ``Can't find /mfsroot'' > > ls form the boot, says ``Can't find / '' > > > > What gives? > > When you make the mfsroot floppy, use the instructions in /etc/disktab > when you newfs it. Which label in which disktab? I assume the disktab in the 3.0 release, but want to be sure. > I don't understand why a "vanilla" filesystem doesn't work yet; you're > welcome to investigate if you have a little time. To clarify, I am putting the mfsroot.gz on a floppy. It appears as if the kernel (both the 27th and the 29th) want /mfsroot. I am doing: fdformat -f 1440 fd0.1440 disklabel -w -r fd0.1440 floppy3 newfs -t 2 -u 18 -l 1 -i 65536 /dev/rfd0 (Streight off Jordan's install.txt) and it seems great under i386 FreeBSD. I will not ask why the floppy needs 5 cylinder groups and 5 copies of the superblock... :-) Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 17:58:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23369 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:58:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23361 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:58:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03380; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810310156.RAA03380@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:54:26 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:56:46 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > I am getting an error message indicating ``Can't find /mfsroot'' > > > ls form the boot, says ``Can't find / '' > > > > > > What gives? > > > > When you make the mfsroot floppy, use the instructions in /etc/disktab > > when you newfs it. > > Which label in which disktab? I assume the disktab in the 3.0 release, but > want to be sure. They're all the same. > > I don't understand why a "vanilla" filesystem doesn't work yet; you're > > welcome to investigate if you have a little time. > > To clarify, I am putting the mfsroot.gz on a floppy. It appears as if the > kernel (both the 27th and the 29th) want /mfsroot. I presume you're booting the kern.flp image? > I am doing: > > fdformat -f 1440 fd0.1440 > disklabel -w -r fd0.1440 floppy3 > newfs -t 2 -u 18 -l 1 -i 65536 /dev/rfd0 > > (Streight off Jordan's install.txt) and it seems great under i386 FreeBSD. That's correct. It should work fine on the alpha (it just did here). The problem is *probably* memory-related; at the moment the bootstrap on the Alpha is really strapped for memory. > I will not ask why the floppy needs 5 cylinder groups and 5 copies of the > superblock... :-) Stupid FFS heuristics. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 17:59:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23490 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:59:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23480 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:59:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 17002 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 03:04:01 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810310128.RAA03242@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:04:01 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing - more ... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: > > > > I am getting an error message indicating ``Can't find /mfsroot'' > > ls form the boot, says ``Can't find / '' > > > > What gives? > > When you make the mfsroot floppy, use the instructions in /etc/disktab > when you newfs it. > > I don't understand why a "vanilla" filesystem doesn't work yet; you're > welcome to investigate if you have a little time. I'd love to help. But quite a neophite IRT toFreeBSD boot disks and such. Don't even know how to make a boot floppy short of ``make release''. For what its worth, the floppy drive stays on during this whole process. Actually looks stuck on to me. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 18:17:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25426 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:17:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25409 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 5136 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 03:21:24 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810310156.RAA03380@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:21:24 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: ... > > To clarify, I am putting the mfsroot.gz on a floppy. It appears as if > > the > > kernel (both the 27th and the 29th) want /mfsroot. > > I presume you're booting the kern.flp image? Yup. > > I am doing: > > > > fdformat -f 1440 fd0.1440 > > disklabel -w -r fd0.1440 floppy3 > > newfs -t 2 -u 18 -l 1 -i 65536 /dev/rfd0 > > > > (Streight off Jordan's install.txt) and it seems great under i386 > > FreeBSD. > > That's correct. It should work fine on the alpha (it just did here). > The problem is *probably* memory-related; at the moment the bootstrap > on the Alpha is really strapped for memory. (after some more digging) That's probably not it; I did ls on the kernel floppy. the boot sees its contents fine. So, Smart Simon (r) does this: On the i386 machine: dd if=kern.flp of=/dev/rfd0 bs=18k mount /dev/fd0 /mnt rm -rf /mnt/* cp mfsroot.gz /mnt umount /mnt On the alpha machine: ls /mfsboot.gz Perfect! Well, almost. Now the kernel starts and dies after mmclock0: ... sc0: at 0x60 irq1 on isa0 I have only one Alpha thus am stuck. Machine is a Personal workstation 433au with 512MB of RAM, 2MB L2 cache, a SCSI disk, CD-ROM, no video card of any kind, and a floppy. We are Almoooooost there. I need this to work to get the 64bit DPT FCAL controllers going.... BTW, disklabel on the kernel boot floppy does not yield anything but an ioctl error: disklabel: ioctl DIOCGDINFO: Invalid argument To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 18:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26705 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:25:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26699 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:25:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03631; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:24:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810310224.SAA03631@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:21:24 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:24:44 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > That's correct. It should work fine on the alpha (it just did here). > > The problem is *probably* memory-related; at the moment the bootstrap > > on the Alpha is really strapped for memory. > > (after some more digging) That's probably not it; > > I did ls on the kernel floppy. the boot sees its contents fine. > So, Smart Simon (r) does this: > > On the i386 machine: > dd if=kern.flp of=/dev/rfd0 bs=18k > mount /dev/fd0 /mnt > rm -rf /mnt/* > cp mfsroot.gz /mnt > umount /mnt > > On the alpha machine: > > ls > > /mfsboot.gz > > > Perfect! Bugger. I wonder what's going wrong. > Well, almost. Now the kernel starts and dies after > > mmclock0: ... > sc0: at 0x60 irq1 on isa0 That's a known gotcha. Put a video card in it until syscons is fixed. > BTW, disklabel on the kernel boot floppy does not yield anything but an > ioctl error: > > disklabel: ioctl DIOCGDINFO: Invalid argument Is this a 2.2 or 3.0 system? If the latter, you *might* have the Bruce Broken Disklabel problem, in which case you should update. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 18:38:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28315 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA28264 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:37:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 9632 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 03:42:17 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810310224.SAA03631@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:42:17 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: ... > > On the i386 machine: > > dd if=kern.flp of=/dev/rfd0 bs=18k > > mount /dev/fd0 /mnt > > rm -rf /mnt/* > > cp mfsroot.gz /mnt > > umount /mnt > > > > On the alpha machine: > > > > ls > > > > /mfsboot.gz > > > > > > Perfect! > > Bugger. I wonder what's going wrong. My guess: The disklabel that you or me think is correct, is not. the correct one is that which makes the boot/kernel floppy. Probably some offset at the beginning to accomodate the boot sectors, etc. > > Well, almost. Now the kernel starts and dies after > > > > mmclock0: ... > > sc0: at 0x60 irq1 on isa0 > > That's a known gotcha. Put a video card in it until syscons is fixed. Any VGA card? Or this unavailable (to me) DEC creation? > > BTW, disklabel on the kernel boot floppy does not yield anything but an > > ioctl error: > > > > disklabel: ioctl DIOCGDINFO: Invalid argument > > Is this a 2.2 or 3.0 system? If the latter, you *might* have the Bruce > Broken Disklabel problem, in which case you should update. 3.0 with sources as of last night. We are getting close.... Thanx for all this help... Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 18:43:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29366 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:43:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29361 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03797; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810310242.SAA03797@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:42:17 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:42:20 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Bugger. I wonder what's going wrong. > > My guess: The disklabel that you or me think is correct, is not. the > correct one is that which makes the boot/kernel floppy. Probably some > offset at the beginning to accomodate the boot sectors, etc. No, that's not it. > > > Well, almost. Now the kernel starts and dies after > > > > > > mmclock0: ... > > > sc0: at 0x60 irq1 on isa0 > > > > That's a known gotcha. Put a video card in it until syscons is fixed. > > Any VGA card? Or this unavailable (to me) DEC creation? Any VGA card should do. Make sure you plug a keyboard in too (or the SRM console will still use the serial console. I'm using a nasty ISA Cirrus card in one machine and a old S3 PCI card in another. The SRM has x86 emulation built in so it can run the card BIOS (ick!). > > > BTW, disklabel on the kernel boot floppy does not yield anything but an > > > ioctl error: > > > > > > disklabel: ioctl DIOCGDINFO: Invalid argument > > > > Is this a 2.2 or 3.0 system? If the latter, you *might* have the Bruce > > Broken Disklabel problem, in which case you should update. > > 3.0 with sources as of last night. We are getting close.... Ok. It might be puking over the Extra Magic SRM bootable disk checksum. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 19:44:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04426 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA04402 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:44:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 13208 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 04:48:24 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810310242.SAA03797@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:48:24 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: ... > > Any VGA card? Or this unavailable (to me) DEC creation? > > Any VGA card should do. Make sure you plug a keyboard in too (or the > SRM console will still use the serial console. > > I'm using a nasty ISA Cirrus card in one machine and a old S3 PCI card > in another. The SRM has x86 emulation built in so it can run the card > BIOS (ick!). Actually, this is good news, as the DPT boots itself with the BIOS. The new ones even have the DPTMGR (RIAD setup, etc.) running right there. I'll try it in few minutes (got to wash my hands, been in the machine shop). Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 20:17:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07321 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:17:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA07305 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:17:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 29459 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 05:21:24 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199810310242.SAA03797@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:21:24 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: ... > > Any VGA card? Or this unavailable (to me) DEC creation? > > Any VGA card should do. Make sure you plug a keyboard in too (or the > SRM console will still use the serial console. > > I'm using a nasty ISA Cirrus card in one machine and a old S3 PCI card > in another. The SRM has x86 emulation built in so it can run the card > BIOS (ick!). Any SRM magic? I plugged in an old ATI MAch64 and all it gives me is a dark blue screen with no output at all, and nothing will boot now :-( Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 20:34:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09059 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09049 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:34:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 17117 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 05:38:28 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:38:28 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Simon Shapiro Subject: Re: Installing Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon Shapiro, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: > > Mike Smith, On 31-Oct-98 you wrote: > > ... > > > > Any VGA card? Or this unavailable (to me) DEC creation? > > > > Any VGA card should do. Make sure you plug a keyboard in too (or the > > SRM console will still use the serial console. > > > > I'm using a nasty ISA Cirrus card in one machine and a old S3 PCI card > > in another. The SRM has x86 emulation built in so it can run the card > > BIOS (ick!). > > Any SRM magic? I plugged in an old ATI MAch64 and all it gives me is a > dark blue screen with no output at all, and nothing will boot now :-( Cancel that. Took ATI out, put cheap ISA Trident and it (the Trident) runs as badly as anywhere else, only faster (?). Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 30 21:02:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11268 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:02:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11257 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:02:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 20614 invoked by uid 1000); 31 Oct 1998 06:06:38 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:06:38 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Simon Shapiro Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ If you follow this thread, eventually you will be able to install FreeBSD on an Alpha Personal Workstation, avoiding many silly mistakes ] Got the kernel working, loads sysinstall (with strange colors (red background, etc.) but the keyboard (console!) is very goofy: * Does not react (in sysinstall) to any normal keystroke * Reacts (correctly) to ^C by asking ``Are you sure you want to abort...'' * Reacts correctly to ctl=alt=del * Works correctly in alt-F2 * Pause works correctly by allowing scrolling etc. * Works correctly in kernel debugger, although some boots cause it to work for only one or two characters, until the next ctl-alt-ESC * Having or not having a mouse makes no difference Wish I could do more .... Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 31 17:27:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14904 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14895; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:27:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199811010127.RAA14895@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list archives In-Reply-To: from "brian j. peterson" at "Oct 30, 98 04:21:28 pm" To: rbw@myplace.org (brian j. peterson) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:27:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org brian j. peterson wrote: > Is anyone maintaining an archive of this mailing list? My freebsd-alpha > folder is getting pretty large, but I'd like to be able to come back to > some of these messages later. > yes, there is an archive. the archive is devided into separate files for each week's messages. new files are created every sunday morning. look for the previous weeks' files at: ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/mailing-lists/archive/1998/freebsd-alpha the current weeks file is at: ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/mailing-lists/archive/freebsd-alpha jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 31 17:48:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17587 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles215.castles.com [208.214.165.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17580 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01388; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:51:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810312351.PAA01388@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:48:24 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:51:56 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Any VGA card? Or this unavailable (to me) DEC creation? > > > > Any VGA card should do. Make sure you plug a keyboard in too (or the > > SRM console will still use the serial console. > > > > I'm using a nasty ISA Cirrus card in one machine and a old S3 PCI card > > in another. The SRM has x86 emulation built in so it can run the card > > BIOS (ick!). > > Actually, this is good news, as the DPT boots itself with the BIOS. The > new ones even have the DPTMGR (RIAD setup, etc.) running right there. You will probably lose with this one, unfortunately. The SRM BIOS emulation seems specifically for video card BIOS code. If I am mistaken, and it both initialises the DPT and also calls the int19 bootstrap handler, then I will be surprised (and happy). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 31 17:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17621 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:48:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles215.castles.com [208.214.165.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17604 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 17:48:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01410; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:55:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810312355.PAA01410@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Installing (Last one for tonight) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:06:38 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:55:29 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [ If you follow this thread, eventually you will be able to install FreeBSD > on an Alpha Personal Workstation, avoiding many silly mistakes ] > > Got the kernel working, loads sysinstall (with strange colors (red > background, etc.) but the keyboard (console!) is very goofy: > > * Does not react (in sysinstall) to any normal keystroke > * Reacts (correctly) to ^C by asking ``Are you sure you want to abort...'' > * Reacts correctly to ctl=alt=del > * Works correctly in alt-F2 Whoah. It worked here OK, but that plus the funny colours makes me think that libdialog is *not* 64-bit clean. > * Pause works correctly by allowing scrolling etc. You mean scroll lock? > * Works correctly in kernel debugger, although some boots cause it to work > for only one or two characters, until the next ctl-alt-ESC Hmm. That's weird. I've seen some i386 keyboard problems as well; I think there may be a couple of nasties here. Thanks for the input; keep plugging when you get the time. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message