From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 4 11:50:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA18755 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18727 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18345 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:50:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:50:30 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: January issue now online! (From the SunWorld editor) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Time for a few nice letters explaining that FreeBSD is just as viable as Linux here... On the upside they list Walnut Creek as a distributer of Linux. Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 3 Jan 98 04:07:51 EST From: SunWorld Editor-in-Chief To: spork@super-g.com Subject: January issue now online! (From the SunWorld editor) SunWorld: The Unix Professional's Power Tool http://www.sunworld.com January 2, 1998 [snip] FEATURES Linux lines up for the enterprise Is there a place in your shop for Linux? http://www.sun.com/sunworldonline/swol-01-1998/swol-01-linux.html [snip] Best, Carolyn Wong Editor-in-Chief SunWorld http://www.sunworld.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To stop receiving such messages, send email to swunsub@fdds.com with a subject field of: UNSUB sunworld spork@super-g.com Questions? Email sunworld@fdds.com List management and distribution by The Email Channel. For more information, send email to fdds@fdds.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 5 06:12:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA05404 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA05397 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:12:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Message-Id: <199801051411.JAA11880@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:12:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Mike Smith cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Java Apps? In-Reply-To: <199801050256.NAA00673@word.smith.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > 3Com's Palm Pilot --- a pocket shirt size electronic organizer. > > > > There is low level support for the Palm Pilot: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/comms/pilot-link > > There's also a pilot emulator (xpilot), which is pretty neat. And I thought xpilot was only a game :) -- Jamie Bowden Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 5 15:40:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA26376 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:40:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silverback.gorilla.net (silverback.gorilla.net [208.128.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA26251 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@gorilla.net) Received: from ygordial046.gorilla.net (ygordial046.gorilla.net [208.143.84.46]) by silverback.gorilla.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/18.aaac) with ESMTP id oa024038 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:39:25 -0600 Received: (from tom@localhost) by gorilla.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01709; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:39:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom) Message-ID: <19980105173922.36568@TOJ.org> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:39:22 -0600 From: Tom Jackson To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WCarchive? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Noticed the login message that the machine was a P6/233. Is this an overclocked Pent Pro or a P2/233? Tom From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 5 16:51:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA04693 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:51:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04673 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00454; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:50:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199801060050.TAA00454@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: WCarchive? In-Reply-To: <19980105173922.36568@TOJ.org> from Tom Jackson at "Jan 5, 98 05:39:22 pm" To: tom@gorilla.net (Tom Jackson) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:50:46 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Jackson said: > > Noticed the login message that the machine was a P6/233. > Is this an overclocked Pent Pro or a P2/233? > It is an overclocked PPro. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 5 17:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA05674 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:04:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05629 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:04:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29200; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:04:00 -0800 (PST) To: Tom Jackson cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WCarchive? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:39:22 CST." <19980105173922.36568@TOJ.org> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: <29196.884048640@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Overclocked P6, yep. > Noticed the login message that the machine was a P6/233. > Is this an overclocked Pent Pro or a P2/233? > > Tom From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 5 17:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA05779 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05711 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:04:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22466; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:03:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801060103.RAA22466@implode.root.com> To: Tom Jackson cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WCarchive? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:39:22 CST." <19980105173922.36568@TOJ.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 17:03:37 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Noticed the login message that the machine was a P6/233. >Is this an overclocked Pent Pro or a P2/233? It's an overclocked Pentium Pro. We'd be using a PII except that the PII only caches 512MB of RAM and we have 1GB of RAM in wcarchive. The P6 in the machine was extensively tested at 240MHz prior to being put into service and has been completely reliable running at 233MHz. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 6 02:40:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA26993 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA26982 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:40:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18000; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:36:46 GMT Message-ID: <34B0D3D5.3A0842D9@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:36:38 +0000 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamie Bowden CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Java Apps? References: <199801051411.JAA11880@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jamie Bowden wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > ? ? > ? ? 3Com's Palm Pilot --- a pocket shirt size electronic organizer. > ? ? > ? ? There is low level support for the Palm Pilot: > ? ? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/comms/pilot-link > ? > ? There's also a pilot emulator (xpilot), which is pretty neat. > > And I thought xpilot was only a game :) > O, i dream about organizer, wich can exchange data with my home FreeBSD. How it cost and where to by ? > -- > Jamie Bowden > Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net > > If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. > -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 7 08:34:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA12828 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA12767 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07095; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:32:17 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199801071632.OAA07095@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: WCarchive? In-Reply-To: <199801060103.RAA22466@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "Jan 5, 98 05:03:37 pm" To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:32:17 -0200 (EDT) Cc: tom@gorilla.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(David Greenman) // >Noticed the login message that the machine was a P6/233. // >Is this an overclocked Pent Pro or a P2/233? // // It's an overclocked Pentium Pro. We'd be using a PII except that the // PII only caches 512MB of RAM and we have 1GB of RAM in wcarchive. The P6 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is Intel faster than light ? Getting back on time ? :) // in the machine was extensively tested at 240MHz prior to being put into // service and has been completely reliable running at 233MHz. // // -DG // // David Greenman // Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project // Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 7 09:56:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA21860 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21836 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:55:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@kalypso.cybercom.net) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24915 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:54:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:54:40 -0500 (EST) From: The Classiest Man Alive To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: More than 64 MB of RAM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently bought an ASUS P2L97 Pentium II motherboard and put 128 MB of RAM on it, but FreeBSD didn't like that. (Neither did Linux, Windows 95 or NT.) It worked smashingly when I removed 64 MB of that RAM. Is there anything special that I need to do with this motherboard (e.g., BIOS setting, ritual sacrifices) to get it to work with protected memory access? Thanks, peoples. K.S. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 7 16:29:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA29367 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:29:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orange.ligos.com (orange.ligos.com [207.238.131.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29347 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:29:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rwaldura@LIGOS.COM) Received: (qmail 12182 invoked from network); 8 Jan 1998 00:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.ligos.com) (192.168.1.2) by orange.ligos.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 1998 00:29:15 -0000 Received: by server.ligos.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:25:26 -0800 Message-ID: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B08A3C8@server.ligos.com> From: Renaud Waldura To: "'proposals@ora.com'" Cc: "'chat@freebsd.org'" , "'djb-qmail@koobera.math.uic.edu'" Subject: Book Request Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 16:25:24 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org O'Reilly, I already own quite a bunch of your computer books and I love them, but I miss something: I think you should publish books about FreeBSD and qmail. You already have some books on Linux, that's good, but FreeBSD is out there, and pretty big too. There's one good FreeBSD-related book I know of called "BSD 4.4" by Quatermann et al. but it's not very applied, it's more kind of a CS text book about the OS. I think there's definitely a need for a good, no-nonsense, technical book about FreeBSD. Just the way you do them ;) The FreeBSD Web site is at http://www.freebsd.org/. You can get in touch with the core developers at core@freebsd.org. Qmail is replacement for sendmail, a sendmail-killer I hope, and it works pretty damn great without all the typical sendmail flaws. Just by looking at the thickness of your sendmail book one can guess that sendmail needs a replacement ;) (Isn't it the thickest of all your books--that's the thickest I own anyway). The qmail Web site is at http://www.qmail.org/. The original qmail developer is Dan Bernstein . I think O'Reilly would once more outstand its competitors by publishing books on those two subjects. I at least would buy them immediately. Regards, -- -- Renaud Waldura -- MIS, Ligos Technology ----- -- rwaldura@ligos.com -- http://www.ligos.com -- -- (415) 437-6137 x102 -- Fax: (415) 437-6139 -- -- From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 7 21:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA05558 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05462 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:49:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26975; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:18:28 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA01496; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:18:27 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980108161826.07668@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:18:27 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Renaud Waldura Cc: Andy Oram , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B08A3C8@server.ligos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B08A3C8@server.ligos.com>; from Renaud Waldura on Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 04:25:24PM -0800 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 04:25:24PM -0800, Renaud Waldura wrote: > > O'Reilly, > > I already own quite a bunch of your computer books and I love them, but > I miss something: I think you should publish books about FreeBSD and > qmail. > > You already have some books on Linux, that's good, but FreeBSD is out > there, and pretty big too. There's one good FreeBSD-related book I know > of called "BSD 4.4" by Quatermann et al. but it's not very applied, it's > more kind of a CS text book about the OS. I think there's definitely a > need for a good, no-nonsense, technical book about FreeBSD. Just the way > you do them ;) > The FreeBSD Web site is at http://www.freebsd.org/. You can get in touch > with the core developers at core@freebsd.org. > > Qmail is replacement for sendmail, a sendmail-killer I hope, and it > works pretty damn great without all the typical sendmail flaws. Just by > looking at the thickness of your sendmail book one can guess that > sendmail needs a replacement ;) (Isn't it the thickest of all your > books--that's the thickest I own anyway). > The qmail Web site is at http://www.qmail.org/. The original qmail > developer is Dan Bernstein . > > I think O'Reilly would once more outstand its competitors by publishing > books on those two subjects. I at least would buy them immediately. Thanks for the suggestion, Renaud. You apparently don't know: 1. There is a book out there already, "The Complete FreeBSD", published by Walnut Creek CDROM. See http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/bsdbook.htm for more details. 2. I'm also the author of O'Reilly's "Porting UNIX Software". 3. I've been trying to convince O'Reilly to publish "The Complete FreeBSD" for nearly 2 years now. So far, they have seen no reason to do so. I'm copying my editor at O'Reilly, Andy Oram, on this reply. Andy seems more sympathetic to the idea of a FreeBSD book than most at O'Reilly. It doesn't mean that he can get up and make it happen, but I'm sure he'll be interested. In any case, thanks for the suggestion. I fear it's not going to change much, but it's a step in the riht direction. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 00:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA19420 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:12:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA19205 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:11:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (beBop) id SAA08768; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:39:43 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:39:43 +1030 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199801080809.SAA08768@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: ksmm@cybercom.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More than 64 MB of RAM In-Reply-To: <690hfm$690$1@al.imforei.apana.org.au> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971224 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/2.2-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <690hfm$690$1@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: > I recently bought an ASUS P2L97 Pentium II motherboard and put 128 MB of > RAM on it, but FreeBSD didn't like that. (Neither did Linux, Windows 95 > or NT.) It worked smashingly when I removed 64 MB of that RAM. Is there > anything special that I need to do with this motherboard (e.g., BIOS > setting, ritual sacrifices) to get it to work with protected memory > access? I can't remember where I read this, but I think you have to use certain combinations of slots (just with this motherboard). It could have been on ASUS's FAQ, or the ASUS site, or perhaps it was Tom's hardware page in a review of this board (there is one there) or hmm... Try slots one and three. If you get really stuck scream and I'll dig a little. Peter -- Peter Childs - finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for PGP public key We are FreeBSD, resistance is related to current and voltage... From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 02:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA28413 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA28402 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:05:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from atlanta (mfd-dial1-1.cybercom.net [209.21.137.1]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA17022 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:04:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980108050550.0098e100@cybercom.net> X-Sender: ksmm@cybercom.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 05:05:50 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Re: More than 64 MB of RAM In-Reply-To: <199801080809.SAA08768@al.imforei.apana.org.au> References: <690hfm$690$1@al.imforei.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org YOU DA MAN, PETER! I don't know where you got this bit of information from, but it seemed to solve the problem nicely. I owe you a beer. :-) K.S. At 06:39 PM 1/8/98 +1030, Peter Childs wrote: >In article <<690hfm$690$1@al.imforei.apana.org.au> you wrote: > >> I recently bought an ASUS P2L97 Pentium II motherboard and put 128 MB of >> RAM on it, but FreeBSD didn't like that. (Neither did Linux, Windows 95 >> or NT.) It worked smashingly when I removed 64 MB of that RAM. Is there >> anything special that I need to do with this motherboard (e.g., BIOS >> setting, ritual sacrifices) to get it to work with protected memory >> access? > > I can't remember where I read this, but I think you have to use certain > combinations of slots (just with this motherboard). > > It could have been on ASUS's FAQ, or the ASUS site, or perhaps > it was Tom's hardware page in a review of this board (there is one > there) or hmm... > > Try slots one and three. > > If you get really stuck scream and I'll dig a little. > > Peter > >-- > Peter Childs - finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for PGP public key > > We are FreeBSD, resistance is related to current and voltage... > > > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 05:33:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA14873 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA14864 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 05:32:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Message-Id: <199801081332.IAA01281@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:33:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request In-Reply-To: <19980108161826.07668@lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 04:25:24PM -0800, Renaud Waldura wrote: > 2. I'm also the author of O'Reilly's "Porting UNIX Software". You wrote that? I have been meaning to buy it anyway, now I have even more reason to do so. > 3. I've been trying to convince O'Reilly to publish "The Complete > FreeBSD" for nearly 2 years now. So far, they have seen no reason > to do so. That's a shame. I think more stores would carry it if it were published by O'Reilly. > I'm copying my editor at O'Reilly, Andy Oram, on this reply. Andy > seems more sympathetic to the idea of a FreeBSD book than most at > O'Reilly. It doesn't mean that he can get up and make it happen, but > I'm sure he'll be interested. Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? -- Jamie Bowden Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 07:56:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA27183 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA26612 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:51:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@fsl.noaa.gov) Received: from cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.101]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29094; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:51:18 GMT Received: from fsl.noaa.gov (auk.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.124]) by cardinal.fsl.noaa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21415; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:51:18 GMT Message-ID: <34B4F5F5.4A9A3B24@fsl.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:51:17 -0700 From: Sean Kelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/725) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jamie Bowden CC: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <199801081332.IAA01281@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? I've approached O'Reilly as well about authoring a FreeBSD book as well. Both Tim and Andy Oram said that they pretty much want to stick with Linux since they believe that's where the market is. --Sean From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 14:37:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10587 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:37:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10492 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27926; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:29 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA04894; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:22 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109090622.20884@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:06:22 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Sean Kelly Cc: Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <199801081332.IAA01281@gatekeeper.itribe.net> <34B4F5F5.4A9A3B24@fsl.noaa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <34B4F5F5.4A9A3B24@fsl.noaa.gov>; from Sean Kelly on Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 08:51:17AM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 08:51:17AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: >> Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? > > I've approached O'Reilly as well about authoring a FreeBSD book as well. > Both Tim and Andy Oram said that they pretty much want to stick with Linux > since they believe that's where the market is. I got a private reply from Andy saying that they had noticed a surprising resilience in the UNIX line (doesn't that say a lot!), and he would try yet again. I don't suppose it would do any harm if other people would send in a message to the O'Reilly people asking for a FreeBSD book. Don't all do it at once! A steady trickle has more effect. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 14:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10979 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:40:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10345 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:35:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27919; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:04:57 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA04877; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:04:50 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109090450.36060@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:04:50 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jamie Bowden Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <19980108161826.07668@lemis.com> <199801081332.IAA01281@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801081332.IAA01281@gatekeeper.itribe.net>; from Jamie Bowden on Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 08:33:22AM -0500 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 08:33:22AM -0500, Jamie Bowden wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 04:25:24PM -0800, Renaud Waldura wrote: > >> 2. I'm also the author of O'Reilly's "Porting UNIX Software". > > You wrote that? Yup. > I have been meaning to buy it anyway, now I have even more reason to > do so. Thanks. >> 3. I've been trying to convince O'Reilly to publish "The Complete >> FreeBSD" for nearly 2 years now. So far, they have seen no reason >> to do so. > > That's a shame. I think more stores would carry it if it were published > by O'Reilly. Agreed. That's why we keep trying. >> I'm copying my editor at O'Reilly, Andy Oram, on this reply. Andy >> seems more sympathetic to the idea of a FreeBSD book than most at >> O'Reilly. It doesn't mean that he can get up and make it happen, but >> I'm sure he'll be interested. > > Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? Andy's been the only one who had much to say on the subject. I think they grossly miscalculated the sales of the 4.4BSD manual set, and as a result were wary of anything called BSD. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 20:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA07470 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:11:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA07009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:05:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-57.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.57]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA01713 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:05:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA13281 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:34:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801090334.VAA13281@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: FreeBSD Chat From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Book Request In-reply-to: Message from Greg Lehey of "Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:06:22 +1030." <19980109090622.20884@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:34:44 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? > > > > I've approached O'Reilly as well about authoring a FreeBSD book as well. > > Both Tim and Andy Oram said that they pretty much want to stick with Linux > > since they believe that's where the market is. If that's the way they think, I'm terribly disappointed with O'Reilly. With that attitude, why even bother with Linux, dontchaknow *NT* is where the market is at? :-) > I got a private reply from Andy saying that they had noticed a > surprising resilience in the UNIX line (doesn't that say a lot!), and > he would try yet again. I don't suppose it would do any harm if other > people would send in a message to the O'Reilly people asking for a > FreeBSD book. Don't all do it at once! A steady trickle has more > effect. I'm glad Walnut Creek is bothering to publish your book. Maybe in a couple of years Walnut Creek will avance to the stature an respect ORA currently has, an leave the NT market to ORA. But for FreeBSD's sake if ORA published Greg's book there would probably be more copies automatically ordered to place on the shelf the first week than WC would sell in much longer time. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 20:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA08008 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA07990 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:17:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-57.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.57]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA11104; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:13:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA13868; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:13:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801090413.WAA13868@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Book Request In-reply-to: Message from Greg Lehey of "Fri, 09 Jan 1998 09:04:50 +1030." <19980109090450.36060@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:13:54 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? > > Andy's been the only one who had much to say on the subject. I think > they grossly miscalculated the sales of the 4.4BSD manual set, and as > a result were wary of anything called BSD. I did my part, bought the whole set of 4.4BSD books. I have about 6' of ORA books. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 21:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14449 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA13658 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:29:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA01988; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:27:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:27:55 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: David Kelly cc: Greg Lehey , Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request In-Reply-To: <199801090413.WAA13868@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, David Kelly wrote: > > > Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? > > > > Andy's been the only one who had much to say on the subject. I think > > they grossly miscalculated the sales of the 4.4BSD manual set, and as > > a result were wary of anything called BSD. > > I did my part, bought the whole set of 4.4BSD books. I have about 6' of > ORA books. So did I. I wonder how many FreeBSDer's have bought the books (yes, and probably just about all the rest on your shelf) and had O'Reilly decide they were Linuxer's? I didn't see any way they could have known about me, at least. Hell, I should have bought stock in them ... > > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 23:03:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA22595 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA22562 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id IAA00310 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:00:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id GAA05380; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:37:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980109063733.15259@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:37:33 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: www.distributed.net uses Microsoft SQL Server for statistics :-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://rc5stats.distributed.net/emsearch.idc?ST=andreas@FreeBSD.ORG Error Performing Query [State=08S01][Error=11][Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][DBMSSOCN]General network error. Check your network documen [State=01000][Error=10054][Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][DBMSSOCN]ConnectionRead (recv()). Is this the reason why they are so slow on statistics and are asking for more machine power and donations ? ;-)) Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 23:38:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA24844 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA24833 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:38:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28395; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:07:59 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA06213; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:07:59 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109180758.55257@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:07:58 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: David Kelly Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <199801090334.VAA13281@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801090334.VAA13281@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from David Kelly on Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 09:34:44PM -0600 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 09:34:44PM -0600, David Kelly wrote: >>>> Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? >>> >>> I've approached O'Reilly as well about authoring a FreeBSD book as well. >>> Both Tim and Andy Oram said that they pretty much want to stick with Linux >>> since they believe that's where the market is. > > If that's the way they think, I'm terribly disappointed with O'Reilly. > With that attitude, why even bother with Linux, dontchaknow *NT* is > where the market is at? :-) Yup, that's where they're going. I think they've have enough of Linux as well. They seem to be uniniterested in the excellent reputation they have in the UNIX world. >> I got a private reply from Andy saying that they had noticed a >> surprising resilience in the UNIX line (doesn't that say a lot!), and >> he would try yet again. I don't suppose it would do any harm if other >> people would send in a message to the O'Reilly people asking for a >> FreeBSD book. Don't all do it at once! A steady trickle has more >> effect. > > I'm glad Walnut Creek is bothering to publish your book. Maybe in a > couple of years Walnut Creek will avance to the stature an respect ORA > currently has, an leave the NT market to ORA. I think that's wishful thinking. WC would be quite happy to cede the book to O'Reilly as long as they got preferential pricing on the books (which they would continue to sell). > But for FreeBSD's sake if ORA published Greg's book there would > probably be more copies automatically ordered to place on the shelf > the first week than WC would sell in much longer time. Don't count on it. "Porting UNIX Software" sold about 2000 copies on initial release. That's about what "The Complete FreeBSD" sells in 6 weeks. In fact, CFBSD has been a much better seller than PUS, despite the relative strengths of the marketing organizations. I've told that to O'Reilly, but either they don't believe me, or they don't care. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 23:39:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA24925 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:39:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA24918 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28399; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:08:49 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA06226; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:08:48 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109180848.44889@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:08:48 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: David Kelly Cc: Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <199801090413.WAA13868@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801090413.WAA13868@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from David Kelly on Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 10:13:54PM -0600 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 10:13:54PM -0600, David Kelly wrote: >>> Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? >> >> Andy's been the only one who had much to say on the subject. I think >> they grossly miscalculated the sales of the 4.4BSD manual set, and as >> a result were wary of anything called BSD. > > I did my part, bought the whole set of 4.4BSD books. I have about 6' of > ORA books. Don't tell them that. If they think that everybody who would be interested in CFBSD had already bought the 4.4BSD books, that would definitely turn them off. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 23:40:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25035 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:40:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25030 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28406; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:10:23 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA06237; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:10:23 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109181023.17714@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:10:23 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jonathan Mini Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Depressed Windows 95% (was: FreeBSD description in the UNIX FAQ) References: <199801081216.MAA05743@veda.is> <199801081422.IAA01141@unix.tfs.net> <19980108152021.05237@micron.mini.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980108152021.05237@micron.mini.net>; from Jonathan Mini on Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 03:20:21PM -0800 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (moved to -chat) On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 03:20:21PM -0800, Jonathan Mini wrote: > Jim Bryant stands accused of saying: > > Well.. Microsoft and IBM are both running as fast as they can to invent > People Personalities. (I don't know if I could deal with a DEPRESSED copy of > Win95...) How would you tell the difference? Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 23:42:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25103 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:42:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25098 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28414; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:12:07 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA06253; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:12:06 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109181206.49659@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:12:06 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Andreas Klemm Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www.distributed.net uses Microsoft SQL Server for statistics :-) References: <19980109063733.15259@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980109063733.15259@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 06:37:33AM +0100 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 06:37:33AM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > http://rc5stats.distributed.net/emsearch.idc?ST=andreas@FreeBSD.ORG > > Error Performing Query > > [State=08S01][Error=11][Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][DBMSSOCN]General network error. Check your network > documen > [State=01000][Error=10054][Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][DBMSSOCN]ConnectionRead (recv()). > > Is this the reason why they are so slow on statistics and are asking > for more machine power and donations ? ;-)) Can't somebody send them a FreeBSD CD-ROM? Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 8 23:48:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25563 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:48:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25540 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id CAA17260; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:47:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:47:52 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Andreas Klemm cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www.distributed.net uses Microsoft SQL Server for statistics :-) In-Reply-To: <19980109063733.15259@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought everyone knew that were using that broken garbage. I have given up 100% trying to rely on that server for stats :) I found more reliable things to occupy my time, like the WEATHER :) More rantings from a deranged MS hating idividual -- ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.5 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 02:20:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA04650 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.112.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA04562; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from helbig@Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE) Received: (from helbig@localhost) by rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA29007; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:18:50 +0100 (MET) From: Wolfgang Helbig Message-Id: <199801091018.LAA29007@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Subject: Re: learn program In-Reply-To: <19970601112053.SJ08285@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Jun 1, 97 11:20:53 am" To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:18:49 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jmr@ugcs.caltech.edu, andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu, kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net, chris@bb.cc.wa.us, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The ar archives contained there contain pathnames with trailing > slashes, so our ar(1) can't create them (since they are required to be > directories in Posix). Below is a quick Perl hack that converts the > pathnames in the archives. In the meantime there appeared a link to a "no ar" version of learn.tar.gz on bwk's home page. (learn.no_ar.tar.gz) I'd like to make a FreeBSD port from it. Do you think it is appropiate to do so? I did not find any copyright statement, is it encumbered? > I've also fixed all occurances of gets() in the source, as well as a > bug that could lead to calling rm(1) without a directory name (if you > hit ^C early in the game). Also, i think the `play' subdirectory > should ultimately go under /tmp. During the "editor" lessons, learn caught SIGTTIN. So I got rid of the controlling terminal by daemonizing it (kind of). Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 05:24:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18996 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:24:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA18986 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:24:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Message-Id: <199801091323.IAA07236@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:25:03 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request In-Reply-To: <19980109090450.36060@lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? > > Andy's been the only one who had much to say on the subject. I think > they grossly miscalculated the sales of the 4.4BSD manual set, and as > a result were wary of anything called BSD. > > Greg > Maybe if they had done more then just print out and bind the man pages, more copies would have sold. -- Jamie Bowden Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 06:28:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA01137 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:28:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA01091; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:28:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199801091428.GAA01091@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Book Request To: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:28:36 -0800 (PST) Cc: grog@lemis.com, jamie@itribe.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801090413.WAA13868@nospam.hiwaay.net> from "David Kelly" at Jan 8, 98 10:13:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? > > > > Andy's been the only one who had much to say on the subject. I think > > they grossly miscalculated the sales of the 4.4BSD manual set, and as > > a result were wary of anything called BSD. > > I did my part, bought the whole set of 4.4BSD books. I have about 6' of > ORA books. between the ORA books and the addison-wesley swoosh series i must have 20 odd books. my wife always asks do you really need those? ;) jmb From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 10:34:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA26601 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:34:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25653 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:25:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id TAA27715; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:15:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA20002; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:37:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980109183733.46227@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:37:33 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Greg Lehey Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www.distributed.net uses Microsoft SQL Server for statistics :-) References: <19980109063733.15259@klemm.gtn.com> <19980109181206.49659@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19980109181206.49659@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 06:12:06PM +1030 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 06:12:06PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Can't somebody send them a FreeBSD CD-ROM? > And "The Complete FreeBSD" possibly the database operators know Unix only from hearsay ;-)) Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 11:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA05545 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:53:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA05520; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:53:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA21767; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:43:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:43:27 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Wolfgang Helbig cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jmr@ugcs.caltech.edu, kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net, chris@bb.cc.wa.us, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: learn program In-Reply-To: <199801091018.LAA29007@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI, there's an ftp mirror of the cvs learn source on my server, andrsn.stanford.edu. It updates twice a day from freefall.FreeBSD.org. According to the logs there have been no changes since July 31, 1997. It does get accessed now and then, though. It's in the pub/learncvs directory. Annelise On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Wolfgang Helbig wrote: > > The ar archives contained there contain pathnames with trailing > > slashes, so our ar(1) can't create them (since they are required to be > > directories in Posix). Below is a quick Perl hack that converts the > > pathnames in the archives. > > In the meantime there appeared a link to a "no ar" version of > learn.tar.gz on bwk's home page. (learn.no_ar.tar.gz) > > I'd like to make a FreeBSD port from it. Do you think it is appropiate > to do so? I did not find any copyright statement, is it encumbered? > > > I've also fixed all occurances of gets() in the source, as well as a > > bug that could lead to calling rm(1) without a directory name (if you > > hit ^C early in the game). Also, i think the `play' subdirectory > > should ultimately go under /tmp. > > During the "editor" lessons, learn caught SIGTTIN. So I got rid of > the controlling terminal by daemonizing it (kind of). > > Wolfgang > From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 12:26:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA08788 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:26:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08781 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:25:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id PAA28962 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:25:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:25:46 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD splash in a wired article. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/9581.html -- ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.5 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 12:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA08900 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:27:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (andrew@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08878 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@python.shoal.net.au) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10027; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:26:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:26:13 +1100 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request In-Reply-To: <19980109090622.20884@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 08:51:17AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: > >> Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? > > > > I've approached O'Reilly as well about authoring a FreeBSD book as well. > > Both Tim and Andy Oram said that they pretty much want to stick with Linux > > since they believe that's where the market is. > > I got a private reply from Andy saying that they had noticed a > surprising resilience in the UNIX line (doesn't that say a lot!), and > he would try yet again. I don't suppose it would do any harm if other > people would send in a message to the O'Reilly people asking for a > FreeBSD book. Don't all do it at once! A steady trickle has more > effect. > > Greg > Got an e-mail address? Andrew Perry andrew@shoal.net.au From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 12:55:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA11819 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:55:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.112.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA11802 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:55:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from helbig@Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE) Received: (from helbig@localhost) by rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id VAA29829; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:51:50 +0100 (MET) From: Wolfgang Helbig Message-Id: <199801092051.VAA29829@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Subject: Re: learn program In-Reply-To: from Annelise Anderson at "Jan 9, 98 11:43:27 am" To: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu (Annelise Anderson) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:51:49 +0100 (MET) Cc: helbig@Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jmr@ugcs.caltech.edu, kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net, chris@bb.cc.wa.us X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > FYI, there's an ftp mirror of the cvs learn source on my server, > andrsn.stanford.edu. It updates twice a day from freefall.FreeBSD.org. > According to the logs there have been no changes since July 31, 1997. > It does get accessed now and then, though. It's in the pub/learncvs > directory. Hi Annelise, thanks for the pointer. I wasn't aware of learncvs, so I literally reinvented the wheel, coming up with about the same changes joerg did. I didn't know shell's +m flag though, which made me code an extra fork(2) and setsid(2) to get rid of the controlling terminal. Joerg, did you plan to put it in FreeBSD's base distribution? Should we? Why not? :-) Wolfgang From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 13:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA14055 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cerberus.partsnow.com (gatekeeper.partsnow.com [207.155.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13562 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:13:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@partsnow.com) Received: (from bin@localhost) by cerberus.partsnow.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id NAA03213; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:11:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: cerberus.partsnow.com: bin set sender to using -f Received: from wildeweb(192.168.100.10) by cerberus.partsnow.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003200; Fri, 9 Jan 98 13:11:09 -0800 Message-ID: <34B69289.3E95F7E0@partsnow.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:11:37 -0800 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: don@partsnow.com Organization: Soligen, Incorporated X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Open Systems Networking CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD splash in a wired article. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sigh... more a drip than a splash, but positive none the less! -- oooOOO O O O o * * * * * * o ___ _________ _________ ________ _________ _________ ___==_ V_=_=_DW ===--- Don Wilde [don@PartsNow.com] [http://www.PartsNow.com ] /oo0000oo-oo--oo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo--ooo-ooo---ooo-ooo---ooo-oo--oo  From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 13:55:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17228 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:55:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (host77-32.airnet.net [209.64.77.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17221 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:55:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org) Received: from ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (localhost.dyn.ml.org [127.0.0.1]) by ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01962 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:54:58 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34B69CB1.FB602CEC@ninbsdbox.dyn.ml.org> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:54:58 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Reply-To: kris@airnet.net Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [BSD Humor] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >WHO IS THIS GUY ROOT AND WHY DOES HE KEEP EMAILING ME?!!!! Take with a grain of salt. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- A Person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it. -- Kay, in MiB, copyright Sony Pictures Imageworks From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 9 21:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA21965 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:29:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from keaggy.canonware.com (canonware.com [206.184.206.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21961 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Received: from localhost (jasone@localhost) by keaggy.canonware.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00215; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:30:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Evans To: Jamie Bowden cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request In-Reply-To: <199801091323.IAA07236@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Jamie Bowden wrote: > On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Andy's been the only one who had much to say on the subject. I think > > they grossly miscalculated the sales of the 4.4BSD manual set, and as > > a result were wary of anything called BSD. > > Maybe if they had done more then just print out and bind the man pages, > more copies would have sold. Yep, I didn't buy them for this exact reason. And I have a _lot_ of O'Reilly books. Jason Jason Evans Email: [jasone@canonware.com] Home phone: [(650) 856-8204] Work phone: [(408) 774-8007] Quote: ["Invention is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" - Thomas Edison] From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 01:22:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA12426 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:22:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA12404 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id KAA22818; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:22:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id KAA16359; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:08:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980110100811.19817@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:08:11 +0100 From: J Wunsch To: Wolfgang Helbig Cc: Annelise Anderson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jmr@ugcs.caltech.edu, kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net, chris@bb.cc.wa.us Subject: Re: learn program Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <199801092051.VAA29829@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801092051.VAA29829@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de>; from Wolfgang Helbig on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 09:51:49PM +0100 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Wolfgang Helbig wrote: > Joerg, did you plan to put it in FreeBSD's base distribution? Yes, that was the intention. > Should we? Why not? :-) Because the texts are sometimes very far off from today's unix. The idea was to find a number of volunteers walking through the texts, and then eventually merge it into the main tree. This idea seems to not have worked. :( We've been assured that there are no legal problems in incorporating learn(1) into FreeBSD, so that's not the problem. Technically, i think the UI is at least usable, so that's neither the problem (albeit there were a few improvement ideas -- the UI basically stems from a time where `terminal' usually was a hardcopy printer). There's some stuff in the UI code i didn't look at yet, like i've seen there's a direct directory read function that cannot work any longer for UFS. I'm not sure it's referenced somewhere at all. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 02:33:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA19638 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA19626 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:33:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA25364; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:28:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 02:28:09 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson Reply-To: Annelise Anderson To: Joerg Wunsch cc: Wolfgang Helbig , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jmr@ugcs.caltech.edu, kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net, chris@bb.cc.wa.us Subject: Re: learn program In-Reply-To: <19980110100811.19817@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, J Wunsch wrote: > As Wolfgang Helbig wrote: > > > Joerg, did you plan to put it in FreeBSD's base distribution? > > Yes, that was the intention. > > > Should we? Why not? :-) > > Because the texts are sometimes very far off from today's unix. The > idea was to find a number of volunteers walking through the texts, and > then eventually merge it into the main tree. This idea seems to not > have worked. :( Here's a suggestion: Invite people (users new to unix) on freebsd- questions to beta test the program. One of the features of "learn" is that it intereacts directly with the unix system, so if things have changed, either in the programs or commands being taught or the underlying unix utilities, there could be problems. But it's really pretty boring to go through this lesson by lesson to see if they all work. Also, they seem to branch--if you try to repeat something and speed up the process by not answering the questions and refusing to try again, you get a different sequence of questions. Some things just seem not to work--a question that asks how many files there are in the current directory; something in "macros" that produces an error message that "ex/vi's standard input-output must be a terminal" or something like that. The files in the macros section jump off the screen when printed. Some examples are dated--e.g., "remove the filename that is the name of a baseball player", where the filename is yastrzemski. (Remember yastrzemski?) At one point I managed to get the program hung up enough so I had to su to root and kill the process. These are just a few notes from an hour or so of experimenting-- (I haven't looked at the code at all). A few beta testers who were learning at the same time would produce some helpful results, I think. Someone would have to write up a little note for them-- where to send a report and what to include (lesson number, e.g.). And then of course someone has to be willing to follow up.... Annelise From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 09:29:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20769 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20699; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:28:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from panke.panke.de (anonymous232.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.232]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.6/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17787; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:23:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by panke.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id RAA00759; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:39:24 +0100 (MET) To: Annelise Anderson Cc: Wolfgang Helbig , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jmr@ugcs.caltech.edu, kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net, chris@bb.cc.wa.us, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: learn program References: From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 10 Jan 1998 17:39:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: Annelise Anderson's message of Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:43:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Lines: 17 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Annelise Anderson writes: > FYI, there's an ftp mirror of the cvs learn source on my server, > andrsn.stanford.edu. It updates twice a day from freefall.FreeBSD.org. > According to the logs there have been no changes since July 31, 1997. > It does get accessed now and then, though. It's in the pub/learncvs > directory. learncvs is also available with the cvsweb.cgi script http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi?cvsroot=learn or with cvsup collection learn-all, host=cvsup.de.freebsd.org updated daily 17:00 UTC. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:16:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00543 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00487 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:16:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id BAA10558; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:00:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA10961; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:38:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980110143830.05694@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:38:30 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: Atipa , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FYI, about fonts on Xwindows References: <199711182206.RAA03580@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199711182206.RAA03580@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Tue, Nov 18, 1997 at 05:06:27PM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 18, 1997 at 05:06:27PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > Someone in this discussion mentioned the type1inst-0.6 program. It does > everything that you need for installing the fonts with GS and X. It is > just what the "doctor ordered", and makes my posting of fonts.scale irrelavent. Where's that program available ? > The ports-meisters might be interested in this. I am now running without > any 100dpi or 75dpi fonts, and am running Type1 scaled fonts and misc fonts > exclusively now. Great stuff ... Do you have an URL ? Does somebody know german reseller or is it ok to pay with VISA ... BTW, the dollar is in "good shape" as I heard ? Wrong time to order ? ;-)) Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00661 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00458 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:16:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id BAA10562; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:00:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA26116; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:11:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980110151144.28859@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:11:44 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <19980109090450.36060@lemis.com> <199801091323.IAA07236@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801091323.IAA07236@gatekeeper.itribe.net>; from Jamie Bowden on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 08:25:03AM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 08:25:03AM -0500, Jamie Bowden wrote: > > Maybe if they had done more then just print out and bind the man pages, > more copies would have sold. Certainly. Something like the Linux howtos for BSD would have been a major plus. But there isn't something compareable ... Luckily Gregs book is coming soon ;-) BTW, how's the status ? -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA01025 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00908 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:18:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-220.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.220]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10193 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:40:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA23365 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:07:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801110007.SAA23365@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: www.distributed.net uses Microsoft SQL Server for statistics :-) In-reply-to: Message from Greg Lehey of "Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:12:06 +1030." <19980109181206.49659@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:07:29 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Is this the reason why they are so slow on statistics and are asking > > for more machine power and donations ? ;-)) > > Can't somebody send them a FreeBSD CD-ROM? Its no secret that Bovine uses Microsoft products, their defense has been something to the effect, "that's all we know." I suggest a FreeBSD team solve the upcoming DES-II and turn the prize money around into a FreeBSD stats server donated to distributed.net. Let them run whatever they wish behind the scenes. Otherwise we really don't have any rights to complain unless somebody is volunteering to solve the problem and has been turned down. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:23:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA01804 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:23:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA01704 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:23:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-59.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.59]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05826; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:51:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA23258; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:51:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801102351.RAA23258@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Chat From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Book Request In-reply-to: Message from Greg Lehey of "Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:07:58 +1030." <19980109180758.55257@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:51:27 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey writes: > Don't count on it. "Porting UNIX Software" sold about 2000 copies on > initial release. That's about what "The Complete FreeBSD" sells in 6 > weeks. In fact, CFBSD has been a much better seller than PUS, despite > the relative strengths of the marketing organizations. I've told that > to O'Reilly, but either they don't believe me, or they don't care. Well, I've got one of those 2000. Pasted from another message in the same thread: >> I did my part, bought the whole set of 4.4BSD books. I have about 6' >> of ORA books. > > Don't tell them that. If they think that everybody who would be > interested in CFBSD had already bought the 4.4BSD books, that would > definitely turn them off. Bought the 4.4BSD partly because it was cheaper than printing all the info in /usr/share/doc/{psd,usd,smm} and its often easier to handle a real book than computer monitor or printouts. I aquired 6' of ORA books because I have (and/or "have had", time to think about that some more) a high opinion of ORA books and would often buy another by ORA rather than some other publisher simply because I don't think I've ever been burned with a useless book from ORA. The logic escapes me that ORA will stay out of *BSD books and discount my request simply because I already own a lot of ORA books. I'm a sucker, I'll buy more *BSD books, just like other lemmings who buy anything that says Linux in the title. Suggested title for a new FreeBSD book: "FreeBSD Is Not Linux", this way you get the (seemingly) mandatory Linux word in the title, and you get published. ;-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:26:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA02521 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:26:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (root@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02487 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:25:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca) Received: (from taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26420; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:42:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:42:34 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@tor-adm1 To: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: www.freebsd.org down? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone else having trouble getting to freebsd.org/www.freebsd.org? I can't get anything to respond on the HTTP or FTP ports. Sat Jan 10 16:42:23 EST 1998 -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:28:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA02906 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:28:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02863 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00568; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:38:06 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA19523; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:38:06 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980111123805.51736@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:38:05 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Andrew Perry Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <19980109090622.20884@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Perry on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 07:26:13AM +1100 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 07:26:13AM +1100, Andrew Perry wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 08:51:17AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: >>>> Has anyone at O'Reilly said why they don't want to do any FreeBSD books? >>> >>> I've approached O'Reilly as well about authoring a FreeBSD book as well. >>> Both Tim and Andy Oram said that they pretty much want to stick with Linux >>> since they believe that's where the market is. >> >> I got a private reply from Andy saying that they had noticed a >> surprising resilience in the UNIX line (doesn't that say a lot!), and >> he would try yet again. I don't suppose it would do any harm if other >> people would send in a message to the O'Reilly people asking for a >> FreeBSD book. Don't all do it at once! A steady trickle has more >> effect. > > Got an e-mail address? Renaud sent it to proposals@ora.com . I haven't checked if there are others. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:28:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA02952 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:28:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02879 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00546; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:18:28 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA19467; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:18:28 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980111121828.19551@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:18:28 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Andreas Klemm Cc: Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <19980109090450.36060@lemis.com> <199801091323.IAA07236@gatekeeper.itribe.net> <19980110151144.28859@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980110151144.28859@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 03:11:44PM +0100 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 03:11:44PM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 08:25:03AM -0500, Jamie Bowden wrote: >> >> Maybe if they had done more then just print out and bind the man pages, >> more copies would have sold. > > Certainly. Something like the Linux howtos for BSD would have been > a major plus. But there isn't something compareable ... A lot of this Linux stuff could form a basis for a corresponding FreeBSD howto. Sure, it would still be GNU licence, but I can live with that. > Luckily Gregs book is coming soon ;-) BTW, how's the status ? Real Soon Now. I'll ask tomorrow. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:28:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA02958 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:28:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02924 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:28:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00472; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:40:22 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA19369; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:40:22 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980111114021.55554@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:40:21 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: David Kelly Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <199801102351.RAA23258@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801102351.RAA23258@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from David Kelly on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 05:51:27PM -0600 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 05:51:27PM -0600, David Kelly wrote: > Greg Lehey writes: >> Don't tell them that. If they think that everybody who would be >> interested in CFBSD had already bought the 4.4BSD books, that would >> definitely turn them off. > > The logic escapes me that ORA will stay out of *BSD books and discount > my request simply because I already own a lot of ORA books. I'm a > sucker, I'll buy more *BSD books, The 4.4BSD books aren't selling well. If everybody interested in CFBSD professes to have the 4.4BSD manual set, ORA will conclude that the market is the same, and that they won't sell enough. > Suggested title for a new FreeBSD book: "FreeBSD Is Not Linux", this > way you get the (seemingly) mandatory Linux word in the title, and you > get published. ;-) We had something like that in the first edition (on the cover: "The Berkeley alternative to Linux"). I got a lot of negative feedback on that one. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 19:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA04307 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:37:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA04227 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (dt051n19.san.rr.com [204.210.32.25]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28143; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:39:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B7F8C1.9F9648A@dal.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 14:40:01 -0800 From: Studded Organization: DALnet IRC Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Lee Crites (AEI)" CC: Greg Lehey , thysge@charon.valueweb.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting rich with FreeBSD (was: Help me with my system!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lee Crites (AEI) wrote: > =>> My friends say I can get rich on the internet, but my mom says that > =>> only lusers try these scams. > > "lusers"? Wasn't that an old cp/m command to list the registered > users? Also still used in ircd. The command is short for "list users," but referring to the (non-oper) users as "lusers" is pretty common on elitist, anarchical networks like EFnet. Of course that would never happen on DALnet... *Grin* Doug (who is sure that most of you don't care, so I moved it to -chat :) From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 21:08:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14137 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA14121 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.com) Received: from xmission.com [166.70.2.43] by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xrFdR-0000JX-00; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:08:34 -0700 Message-ID: <34B856CA.BEF6EA76@xmission.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:21:15 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <19980108161826.07668@lemis.com> <199801081332.IAA01281@gatekeeper.itribe.net> <19980109090450.36060@lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > Jamie Bowden wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > 2. I'm also the author of O'Reilly's "Porting UNIX Software". > > > > You wrote that? > > Yup. > > > I have been meaning to buy it anyway, now I have even more reason to > > do so. > > Thanks. I don't really have any reason to buy it; I humbly admit that I once wrote a security analysis package that ran on 13 different flavors of UNIX.* I did pick up the book and thumb through it once, and remember thinking "this guy really seems to know what he's talking about." This was before I met Greg electronically, through FreeBSD. My opinion has grown ever better. Thanks for your hard work in scribing "TCF," by the way. * In case you're wondering, it was Security Toolkit/UNIX, from Raxco. It is now known as "Enterprise Security Manager," from Axent Technologies, which was spun off from Raxco a few years ago. As of my last envolvement, it ran on: SunOS SPARC, SunOS 68K, Solaris SPARC, Solaris x86, Digital UNIX Alpha, RISC Ultrix, VAX Ultrix, HP/UX HPPA, HP/UX 68K, AIX RS/6000, SVR3 68K, SVR3 88K, SVR4 88K, and Esix SVR4 x86. Whoops, that's 14, isn't it? Surprise! All 14 were compiled from the same set of sources and the same Makefile, and you just typed 'make' to build it on any given platform. We also had a 'super makefile' that would build every architecture by starting 'make world' on one machine of each architecture using rsh. A full build from source took about 20 minutes on the fastest machine, a DEC Alpha, and 14 hours on the slowest machine, a VAXstation 2000. It now runs on several more UNIX variants, as well as VMS, NetWare, and NT. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 21:40:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA17006 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:40:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA16856 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:39:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00782; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:09:31 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA20238; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:09:30 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980111160930.28346@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:09:30 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Wes Peters Cc: Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <19980108161826.07668@lemis.com> <199801081332.IAA01281@gatekeeper.itribe.net> <19980109090450.36060@lemis.com> <34B856CA.BEF6EA76@xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <34B856CA.BEF6EA76@xmission.com>; from Wes Peters on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 10:21:15PM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 10:21:15PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> Jamie Bowden wrote: >>> Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> 2. I'm also the author of O'Reilly's "Porting UNIX Software". >>> >>> You wrote that? >> >> Yup. >> >>> I have been meaning to buy it anyway, now I have even more reason to >>> do so. >> >> Thanks. > > I don't really have any reason to buy it; I humbly admit that I once wrote > a security analysis package that ran on 13 different flavors of UNIX.* I > did pick up the book and thumb through it once, and remember thinking "this > guy really seems to know what he's talking about." Must have been a pretty superficial examination :-) > This was before I met Greg electronically, through FreeBSD. My > opinion has grown ever better. Thanks for your hard work in > scribing "TCF," by the way. You're welcome. Thanks for the flowers. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 21:50:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18324 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18268 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:50:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00819; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:19:56 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA20316; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:19:55 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980111161954.47142@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:19:54 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brian Tao Cc: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Brian Tao on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 04:42:34PM -0500 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 04:42:34PM -0500, Brian Tao wrote: > Anyone else having trouble getting to freebsd.org/www.freebsd.org? > I can't get anything to respond on the HTTP or FTP ports. > > Sat Jan 10 16:42:23 EST 1998 It seems to be working now. I noticed that mail was down for a while, but the system was responding to a ping, and I didn't try to access the web server. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 21:54:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18819 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:54:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18789 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:54:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca) Received: (from taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA14534; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:54:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:54:13 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@tor-adm1 To: Greg Lehey cc: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? In-Reply-To: <19980111161954.47142@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > It seems to be working now. I noticed that mail was down for a > while, but the system was responding to a ping, and I didn't try to > access the web server. Yeah, I was able to ping it too. Something was still listening on port 80 at least, since I was able to bring up a connection to it. Never got a response back from a "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" request though. That was right when I wanted to show someone the cvsweb interface. :( www.de.freebsd.org seems to have a mirror of it (although not completely up-to-date). hub.freebsd.org seems fine now. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 22:02:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA19766 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:02:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19731 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:01:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00844; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:31:43 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA20384; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:31:42 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980111163141.38182@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:31:41 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brian Tao Cc: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? References: <19980111161954.47142@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Brian Tao on Sun, Jan 11, 1998 at 12:54:13AM -0500 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 11, 1998 at 12:54:13AM -0500, Brian Tao wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> It seems to be working now. I noticed that mail was down for a >> while, but the system was responding to a ping, and I didn't try to >> access the web server. > > Yeah, I was able to ping it too. Something was still listening > on port 80 at least, since I was able to bring up a connection to > it. Never got a response back from a "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" request > though. That was right when I wanted to show someone the cvsweb > interface. :( Demonstration effect. It's obviously your fault that the system wasn't available. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 22:06:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA20186 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:06:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca [207.181.89.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA20170 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taob@tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca) Received: (from taob@localhost) by tor-adm1.nbc.netcom.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA14951; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:05:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:05:40 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao X-Sender: taob@tor-adm1 To: Greg Lehey cc: FREEBSD-CHAT Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org down? In-Reply-To: <19980111163141.38182@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Demonstration effect. It's obviously your fault that the system > wasn't available. Must be... each time I want to show someone how slow Microsoft's web site is, it never disappoints. ;-) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 22:08:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA20491 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA20473; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:08:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.com) Received: from xmission.com [166.70.2.43] by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xrGYx-00030T-00; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:07:59 -0700 Message-ID: <34B864B9.903B63CF@xmission.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:20:41 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Book Request References: <199801091428.GAA01091@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > between the ORA books and the addison-wesley swoosh series > i must have 20 odd books. > > my wife always asks do you really need those? ;) My computer book library dates back to the early 80's, and includes a second printing of K&R (back when it was $17.75 at the college bookstore). I had a complete set of the grey Atari ST books from Abacus, and a first edition of the Xinu book. I think I currently have over 250 volumes of various computer books, most of which are uselessly out of date. Sigh. TCP/IP books, on the other hand, pretty much never go out of style. How long has it been since the FTP protocol, or the sockets interface for that matter, have changed? I wish W. Richard Stevens would come back from the lecture circuit long enought to put together a really good TCP/IP illustrated volume 4, and cover HTTP, TLS, and many of the relatively new internet protocols; I could have really used such a book this last year. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 22:15:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA21230 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:15:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA21213 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.com) Received: from xmission.com [166.70.2.43] by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xrGg3-0003KJ-00; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:15:19 -0700 Message-ID: <34B86672.D62D366A@xmission.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:28:02 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Studded CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting rich with FreeBSD (was: Help me with my system!) References: <34B7F8C1.9F9648A@dal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Studded wrote: > > Lee Crites (AEI) wrote: > > > "lusers"? Wasn't that an old cp/m command to list the registered > > users? > > Also still used in ircd. The command is short for "list users," but > referring to the (non-oper) users as "lusers" is pretty common on > elitist, anarchical networks like EFnet. Of course that would never > happen on DALnet... *Grin* This is a standard, and very old, entry in the Hacker's Jargon File. It implies that ordinary people who do ordinary things with their computer, i.e. anyone who owns any computer with any software product from Microsoft, is a loser. I beg to agree. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 23:25:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA28099 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:25:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA28087 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA11637; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:25:00 -0800 (PST) To: Greg Lehey cc: Andreas Klemm , Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:18:28 +1030." <19980111121828.19551@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:24:59 -0800 Message-ID: <11634.884503499@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > A lot of this Linux stuff could form a basis for a corresponding > FreeBSD howto. Sure, it would still be GNU licence, but I can live > with that. Funny you should mention that, since it was also our conclusion at the recent FreeBSD-sf meeting. Some folks went away to look into adapting the HowTo's for FreeBSD, no status on that yet tho. > > Luckily Gregs book is coming soon ;-) BTW, how's the status ? > > Real Soon Now. I'll ask tomorrow. I hear we might be getting them back from the printer as soon as the 21st of January now! Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 23:27:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA28226 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:27:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA28182 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17793; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:56:20 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA20709; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:56:19 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980111175619.12171@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:56:19 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Andreas Klemm , Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request References: <19980111121828.19551@lemis.com> <11634.884503499@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <11634.884503499@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 11:24:59PM -0800 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 10, 1998 at 11:24:59PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> A lot of this Linux stuff could form a basis for a corresponding >> FreeBSD howto. Sure, it would still be GNU licence, but I can live >> with that. > > Funny you should mention that, since it was also our conclusion at the > recent FreeBSD-sf meeting. Some folks went away to look into adapting > the HowTo's for FreeBSD, no status on that yet tho. Great. Was nobody too worried about the GPL? >>> Luckily Gregs book is coming soon ;-) BTW, how's the status ? >> >> Real Soon Now. I'll ask tomorrow. > > I hear we might be getting them back from the printer as soon as the > 21st of January now! Is this sufficiently cast in concrete to make it unnecessary to ask Bob or Pat? Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 10 23:44:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA29362 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29357 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA11765; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:44:24 -0800 (PST) To: Greg Lehey cc: Andreas Klemm , Jamie Bowden , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Book Request In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:56:19 +1030." <19980111175619.12171@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:44:23 -0800 Message-ID: <11761.884504663@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Funny you should mention that, since it was also our conclusion at the > > recent FreeBSD-sf meeting. Some folks went away to look into adapting > > the HowTo's for FreeBSD, no status on that yet tho. > > Great. Was nobody too worried about the GPL? If we can deal with this for our compiler, I think we can deal with this for a section of our docs. ;) > > I hear we might be getting them back from the printer as soon as the > > 21st of January now! > > Is this sufficiently cast in concrete to make it unnecessary to ask > Bob or Pat? You may wish to ask them anyway - as I said, "might". :) Jordan