From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 16 12:47:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12854 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12792 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00977; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Hauke Johannknecht , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 12.7. How cool is FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15 Aug 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan [iso-8859-1] Smørgrav wrote: > Doug White writes: > > Apparently Linus ditched the penguin's beer mug. Now it's a compile-time > > option to get the bird-with-beer logo (on PowerPC at least). > > I thought the "penguin with beer" thingy was a Bud Ice commercial? Then there's a Bud Ice commercial in LinuxPPC (or MkLinux, I can't keep them straight). Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 17 06:33:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06561 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:33:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06554 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA23937; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:32:52 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA01102; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:32:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980817153248.61372@follo.net> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:32:48 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Marius Bendiksen , Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64-bit time_t References: <199808171200.GAA21209@lariat.lariat.org> <3.0.5.32.19980817141851.00a51710@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980817141851.00a51710@mail.scancall.no>; from Marius Bendiksen on Mon, Aug 17, 1998 at 02:18:51PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Moved to -chat where it belongs) On Mon, Aug 17, 1998 at 02:18:51PM +0200, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > >Nope, we're talking about safety measures in the language and compiler. Of > >which we are consumers, unless we choose to reinvent both (which generally > >is not the project at hand). > > Regardless of the claimed secureness of a language, the designer/programmer > of a product should always take it upon himself to add an extra layer of it > by making sure his code doesn't have any potential flaws. I agree with what > was said earlier, taking a compiler on trust is a bad move. Of course, you > should get a car with an airbag, but that's no excuse to drive too fast. > > Besides which, the lack of such measures in C / C++ empowers the programmer > to a great extent. I regularly hear this claim. Do you have any reasonable argument in favour of it? The ability to be close to the machine mapping is _not_ a reasonable argument - this is just an argument for why it is easy to write compilers making reasonably decent code (while it makes it hard to write compilers that make great code). > Heuristics have not yet progressed far enough to second- > guess a programmer as well as he himself can; when such is the case, we'll > all be outdated. (with the exception of heuristics programmers, of course.) If this statement is intended to apply to the speed of generated code: Can you give any references or data sets indicating this claim? As far as I know, this is just not true anymore - compilers can usually generate better code than humans can, unless the human use an unreasonable amount of time to write the code (analyzing exact cache/pipe effects). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 18 00:42:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13690 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13684 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:42:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id JAA15591; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:35:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:35:33 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: 026809r@dragon.acadiau.ca (Michael Richards), chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why don't winblows program have buffer overruns? References: <199808170244.UAA18362@lariat.lariat.org> <199808171851.MAA24710@lariat.lariat.org> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 18 Aug 1998 09:35:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: Brett Glass's message of "Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:50:04 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id AAA13686 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > At 06:30 PM 8/17/98 +0200, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > >This is getting off-topic, but the bug is in the TCP/IP stack, not the > >NetBIOS code. The only reason WinNuke uses port 139 (the netbios-ssn > >port) is that you're pretty sure there'll be someone listening there. > I don't turn on NetBIOS on any Windows machine I use or administer. In > fact, about the only thing they'll respond to is a ping. You're not an average Winblows luser. Now let's please keep this thread off security. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 18 17:24:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08072 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:24:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08041 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul10.u.washington.edu (root@saul10.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.73]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id RAA26226 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:23:46 -0700 Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul10.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id RAA27060 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:19:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Strange but true Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Xmcd probes my windows 95 system CD as Caldera Open Linux V 1.1. Perhaps MS is closer to world domination that we thought. Perhaps the entire free software industry is really owned by M$. Perhaps Greg Lehey weighs less than a duck! :) Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 18 17:38:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11103 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11081 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10930; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:37:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980818193742.36952@futuresouth.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:37:42 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Strange but true References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 05:19:36PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 05:19:36PM +0000, Jason C. Wells woke me up to tell me: > Xmcd probes my windows 95 system CD as Caldera Open Linux V 1.1. > > Perhaps MS is closer to world domination that we thought. Perhaps the > entire free software industry is really owned by M$. > > Perhaps Greg Lehey weighs less than a duck! :) Then he's a witch! Burn him! He once turned me into a newt... Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 18 19:37:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29810 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29788 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA15055; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:06:15 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA13701; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:05:53 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980819120552.B13676@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:05:52 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Strange but true References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 05:19:36PM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 18 August 1998 at 17:19:36 +0000, Jason C. Wells wrote: > Xmcd probes my windows 95 system CD as Caldera Open Linux V 1.1. Wishful thinking. > Perhaps MS is closer to world domination that we thought. Perhaps the > entire free software industry is really owned by M$. > > Perhaps Greg Lehey weighs less than a duck! :) *Definitely* wishful thinking. Unless you're comparing me to a particularly large kind of duck. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 18 19:37:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29900 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29821 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:37:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA15057; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:06:19 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA13709; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:06:18 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980819120617.C13676@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:06:17 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Matthew D. Fuller" , "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Strange but true References: <19980818193742.36952@futuresouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980818193742.36952@futuresouth.com>; from Matthew D. Fuller on Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 07:37:42PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 18 August 1998 at 19:37:42 -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 05:19:36PM +0000, Jason C. Wells woke me up to tell me: >> Xmcd probes my windows 95 system CD as Caldera Open Linux V 1.1. >> >> Perhaps MS is closer to world domination that we thought. Perhaps the >> entire free software industry is really owned by M$. >> >> Perhaps Greg Lehey weighs less than a duck! :) > > Then he's a witch! > Burn him! > > He once turned me into a newt... Ah, yes, but don't say you didn't deserve it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 18 20:24:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07285 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:24:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07278 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA15222 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:53:51 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA15355; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:53:50 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980819125348.G13676@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:53:48 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I'll be in Korea this weekend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anybody in Korea interested in meeting up? I'm arriving on Friday, and will be either in Seoul or I'Chon until Wednesday next week. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 18 20:46:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11153 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:46:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from superior.mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [208.138.27.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11126 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07278; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:45:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Message-ID: <19980818204518.A7270@mooseriver.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:45:18 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: "Matthew D. Fuller" , "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Strange but true Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <19980818193742.36952@futuresouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980818193742.36952@futuresouth.com>; from Matthew D. Fuller on Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 07:37:42PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 07:37:42PM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 1998 at 05:19:36PM +0000, Jason C. Wells woke me up to tell me: > > Xmcd probes my windows 95 system CD as Caldera Open Linux V 1.1. > > > > Perhaps MS is closer to world domination that we thought. Perhaps the > > entire free software industry is really owned by M$. > > > > Perhaps Greg Lehey weighs less than a duck! :) > > Then he's a witch! > Burn him! > > He once turned me into a newt... I see you did'nt get better ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 18 21:18:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15057 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from control.colossus.dyn.ml.org (pm6-10.sba1.avtel.net [207.71.222.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15052 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by control.colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01883 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:17:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Install-A-Thon -- anyone from SoCal going? Carpool! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone from SoCal planning on going to the August Install-a-Thon? I'd like to attend, but unfortunately don't drive (visually impaired). Would prefer to go only for the day, but I might be able to stay overnight (depends on how much money I can scrape together, and if everyone's willing to share in the hotel/motel bill, etc.) If anyone's interested in doing a carpool, please let me know. I'll be happy to pay you for gas, wear and tear on the car, pay for my own food, etc. Thanks! --- Donald Burr *NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!* | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ#16997506 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. >>FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/<< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 19 12:30:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14323 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14314 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:30:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01316 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:29:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id OAA19650; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:29:23 -0500 Message-ID: <19980819142923.51988@right.PCS> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:29:23 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Off-topic: IRIX 5.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know that this is offtopic, but I need to get ahold of an IRIX 5.3 CD (for SimOS). Anyone know where I can find one of these? Sales numbers at SGI are also welcome. I know zip about SGI, but apparently the 6.4 CD that I have will not suit my purposes. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 19 21:00:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07235 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07150 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul10.u.washington.edu (root@saul10.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.73]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id UAA32600; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:59:19 -0700 Received: from s8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul10.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id UAA06114; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:55:21 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu To: Jonathan Lemon cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off-topic: IRIX 5.3 In-Reply-To: <19980819142923.51988@right.PCS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > I know that this is offtopic, but I need to get ahold of an >IRIX 5.3 CD (for SimOS). Anyone know where I can find one of >these? Sales numbers at SGI are also welcome. > > I know zip about SGI, but apparently the 6.4 CD that I have >will not suit my purposes. I can tell you this. SGI made a change in binary file format from 5.3 to 6.4 so if you are thinking about mixing and matching binaries and kernels you best be careful. www.sgi.com for contact info... (moto) Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 20 13:38:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19619 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:38:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19614 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25872; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199808202037.NAA25872@time.cdrom.com> To: freebsd-sf@arachna.com Subject: Anyone interested in doing this? Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org They're looking specifically for people who've been there and done that on the ``implementing mission critical services'' end and that does not, interestingly enough, include myself. :-) Some admin at an ISP or large business site would really be a great representative for us here since they'll be able to speak with some actual authority on the topic of how FreeBSD is working in the field, and with this particular crowd that's also pretty important. Any takers? C'mon, this is BayLISA folks! :) From: david@dhw.vip.best.com (David Wolfskill) Subject: BayLISA talk for 17 Sept.: UNIX on Intel Summary: Anyone willing & qualified to be on a panel? Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 20 Aug 1998 04:15:18 GMT Organization: David and Lynette's home in Redwood City, CA Path: nntp2.ba.best.com!david Lines: 62 Distribution: ba Message-ID: <6rg7sm$pb2$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> References: <01bdcb61$e7333140$696e6bc0@pc5.broadcom.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhw.vip.best.com X-Trace: 903586518 25954 (none) 206.86.0.12 Xref: nntp2.ba.best.com comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:74021 BayLISA ([San Francisco] Bay Area Large Installation Systems Administrators -- http://www.baylisa.org/) is planning on having a panel discussion on the evening of 17 September regarding the care & feeding of production/mission-critical UNIX boxen that happen to be using Intel x86 architecture. As of the moment, we have no one lined up to represent FreeBSD. I pointed out that given the aims of the various *BSD groups, it seemed that neglecting FreeBSD would be a disservice. On the other hand, anyone who's been around me for more than 5 minutes would probably agree that I'm certainly not qualified to participate in such a fashion. Here's the "official" blurb (written by Strata, not me, which is why it reads nicer than my stuff): ------>%--------------------------------------------------- "Unix on Intel: Implementing Reliable Production Systems" This panel discussion will focus on implementing Unix on Intel hardware to create a reliable, high-performance Internet server. We will have panelists for each of the following operating systems: Linux, NetBSD, and Solaris_x86. Each panelist will present information specific to his or her OS of choice. We have asked panelists to feature the following topics: * hardware configurations that you've found reliable (or not!) * hidden "gotchas" in installing or configuring * standard support features unique to the platform (special facilities for common tasks) * performance tuning for high-volume Internet server * how to "clone" machines for a "server appliance farm" The individual presentations will be followed by a general Q&A period. IMPORTANT NOTE: We assume that each person in the audience has already made his or her OS choices. This is explicitly NOT a forum for religious wars about OS choices! We'll have Nerf weaponry with which to regulate excessive zeal amongst the panelists-- or of the audience! While the occasional cheap shot is often highly entertaining, we'd like to ask the audience to respect the panelists' choices and the OS choices of fellow audience members. Save your proselytizing for the Peppermill run later. :-) ------%<--------------------------------------------------- If you want to volunteer for the panel, please let me know; return email should be fine. (If you can persuade someone else to volunteer (who, presumably, hasn't done so on his/her own), I'd appreciate hearing about that -- preferably from the "volunteer," though...). And, of course, there is a possibility that the topic may be of interest to folks who won't be on the panel, too.... :-} I look forward to hearing from folks.... Thanks, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@dhw.vip.best.com As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 20 13:43:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20313 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20303 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA04613; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:42:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808202042.OAA04613@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:42:28 -0600 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-sf@arachna.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Anyone interested in doing this? In-Reply-To: <199808202037.NAA25872@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about someone from Yahoo? --Brett At 01:37 PM 8/20/98 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >They're looking specifically for people who've been there and done that >on the ``implementing mission critical services'' end and that does not, >interestingly enough, include myself. :-) > >Some admin at an ISP or large business site would really be a great >representative for us here since they'll be able to speak with some >actual authority on the topic of how FreeBSD is working in the field, >and with this particular crowd that's also pretty important. Any >takers? C'mon, this is BayLISA folks! :) > >From: david@dhw.vip.best.com (David Wolfskill) >Subject: BayLISA talk for 17 Sept.: UNIX on Intel >Summary: Anyone willing & qualified to be on a panel? >Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc >Date: 20 Aug 1998 04:15:18 GMT >Organization: David and Lynette's home in Redwood City, CA >Path: nntp2.ba.best.com!david >Lines: 62 >Distribution: ba >Message-ID: <6rg7sm$pb2$1@nntp2.ba.best.com> >References: <01bdcb61$e7333140$696e6bc0@pc5.broadcom.ie> >NNTP-Posting-Host: dhw.vip.best.com >X-Trace: 903586518 25954 (none) 206.86.0.12 >Xref: nntp2.ba.best.com comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:74021 > >BayLISA ([San Francisco] Bay Area Large Installation Systems >Administrators -- http://www.baylisa.org/) is planning on having a panel >discussion on the evening of 17 September regarding the care & feeding >of production/mission-critical UNIX boxen that happen to be using Intel >x86 architecture. > >As of the moment, we have no one lined up to represent FreeBSD. I >pointed out that given the aims of the various *BSD groups, it seemed >that neglecting FreeBSD would be a disservice. On the other hand, >anyone who's been around me for more than 5 minutes would probably agree >that I'm certainly not qualified to participate in such a fashion. > >Here's the "official" blurb (written by Strata, not me, which is why it >reads nicer than my stuff): > >------>%--------------------------------------------------- >"Unix on Intel: Implementing Reliable Production Systems" > >This panel discussion will focus on implementing Unix on Intel hardware >to create a reliable, high-performance Internet server. We will have >panelists for each of the following operating systems: Linux, NetBSD, >and Solaris_x86. > >Each panelist will present information specific to his or her OS of >choice. We have asked panelists to feature the following topics: > > * hardware configurations that you've found reliable (or not!) > * hidden "gotchas" in installing or configuring > * standard support features unique to the platform (special > facilities for common tasks) > * performance tuning for high-volume Internet server > * how to "clone" machines for a "server appliance farm" >The individual presentations will be followed by a general Q&A period. > >IMPORTANT NOTE: We assume that each person in the audience has already >made his or her OS choices. This is explicitly NOT a forum for >religious wars about OS choices! We'll have Nerf weaponry with which to >regulate excessive zeal amongst the panelists-- or of the audience! > >While the occasional cheap shot is often highly entertaining, we'd like >to ask the audience to respect the panelists' choices and the OS choices >of fellow audience members. Save your proselytizing for the Peppermill >run later. :-) >------%<--------------------------------------------------- > >If you want to volunteer for the panel, please let me know; return email >should be fine. (If you can persuade someone else to volunteer (who, >presumably, hasn't done so on his/her own), I'd appreciate hearing about >that -- preferably from the "volunteer," though...). > >And, of course, there is a possibility that the topic may be of interest >to folks who won't be on the panel, too.... :-} > >I look forward to hearing from folks.... > >Thanks, >david >-- >David H. Wolfskill david@dhw.vip.best.com >As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to >advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal >amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 20 17:06:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24560 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24554 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 17:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (minbar-2-144.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.136.210]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.0) id TAA21358 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:05:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA15987 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:06:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980820190603.A15758@connect.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:06:03 -0500 From: Frank Pawlak To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Open Source Software on NPR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org NPR's Market Place program just had a nice piece on Open Source Software. Eric Allman was on and they discussed Sendmail and why people do free software. Linux was the other Open Source piece mentioned. FreeBSD was not mentioned, as usual. OH pain. Frank -- "At no time is freedom of speech more precious then when a man hits his thumb with a hammer." -- Marshall Lumsden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 20 18:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04852 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04842 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-59.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.59]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA09479 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:18:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12740 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:40:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Message-Id: <199808210040.TAA12740@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Off-topic: IRIX 5.3 In-reply-to: Message from "Jason C. Wells" of "Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:55:21 -0000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:40:43 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" writes: > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > > I know that this is offtopic, but I need to get ahold of an > >IRIX 5.3 CD (for SimOS). Anyone know where I can find one of > >these? Sales numbers at SGI are also welcome. > > > > I know zip about SGI, but apparently the 6.4 CD that I have > >will not suit my purposes. > > I can tell you this. SGI made a change in binary file format from 5.3 to > 6.4 so if you are thinking about mixing and matching binaries and kernels > you best be careful. Irix 4.x was COFF, Irix 5.x was both COFF and ELF, Irix 6.x is ELF only. The 5.3 kernel was COFF. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 04:29:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19712 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19695; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id EAA11769; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808211128.EAA11769@mailgate.cadence.com> Received: from (194.32.96.136) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma903698897.011755; Fri, 21 Aug 98 04:28:17 -0700 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Duncan Barclay" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:27:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FreeBSD more secure than IRIX Reply-to: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In CNets headline story today, FreeBSD replaces comproimised IRIX servers at a Kentucky ISP! Whether the attack was the fault of the ISP's operating system remains an unanswered question. But Aye Net is not taking any chances. It has since replaced its operating system with FreeBSD, which is a version of Unix with strengthened security measures. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,25526,00.html?st.ne.1.head Duncan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 04:46:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21177 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:46:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA21153 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA05526 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:45:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03202 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:38:20 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19980821013819.A3193@panke.de> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:38:19 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Release usage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Release usage, from the web log files of the last 10 days. Every 7th user runs 3.0-current or a 3.0-SNAP ;-) 1. 32.04% FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE 2. 19.84% FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE 3. 11.67% FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE 4. 9.73% FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE 5. 7.40% FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT 6. 4.78% FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE 7. 2.58% FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE 8. 1.67% FreeBSD 3.0-980520-SNAP 9. 1.33% FreeBSD 3.0-19980804-SNAP 10. 1.29% FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE 11. 0.42% FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE 12. 0.41% FreeBSD 3.0CAM-19980712-SNAP 13. 0.39% FreeBSD 2.2-980623-SNAP 14. 0.38% FreeBSD 3.0-971225-SNAP 15. 0.36% FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE 16. 0.35% FreeBSD 3.0-980524-SNAP 17. 0.33% FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA 18. 0.30% FreeBSD 2.1.7-RELEASE 19. 0.25% FreeBSD 3.0-980523-SNAP 20. 0.24% FreeBSD 3.0-19980804-SNA0 21. 0.19% FreeBSD 2.2-980717-SNAP 22. 0.19% FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE 23. 0.18% FreeBSD 2.2.5-PREREL 24. 0.17% FreeBSD 3.0-980622-SNAP 25. 0.16% FreeBSD 2.1.6-RELEASE 26. 0.14% FreeBSD 2.2-970801-RELENG 27. 0.13% FreeBSD 3.0-980311-SNAP 28. 0.11% FreeBSD 3.0-980722-SNAP 29. 0.10% FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE 30. 0.10% FreeBSD 2.2CAM-19980716-SNAP -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 08:43:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22457 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:43:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22449; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:43:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA12023; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:01 -0600 To: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD more secure than IRIX In-Reply-To: <199808211128.EAA11769@mailgate.cadence.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For Heaven's sake someone warn them not to run QPopper. --Brett At 12:27 PM 8/21/98 +0000, Duncan Barclay wrote: >In CNets headline story today, FreeBSD replaces comproimised IRIX >servers at a Kentucky ISP! > > Whether the attack was the fault of the ISP's operating system > remains an unanswered question. But Aye Net is not taking any > chances. It has since replaced its operating system with FreeBSD, > which is a version of Unix with strengthened security measures. > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,25526,00.html?st.ne.1.head > >Duncan > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 11:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15697 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.ligos.com (red.ligos.com [207.238.131.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15692 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rwaldura@LIGOS.COM) Received: (qmail 1686 invoked by uid 102); 21 Aug 1998 18:51:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.ligos.com) (192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.6 with SMTP; 21 Aug 1998 18:51:08 -0000 Received: by server.ligos.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:51:08 -0700 Message-ID: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B1D75EA@server.ligos.com> From: FreeBSD Chat Mailing-list To: "'chat@freebsd.org'" Subject: sub Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:51:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 11:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16061 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16044; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul) From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199808211855.LAA16044@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Off-topic: IRIX 5.3 In-Reply-To: <199808210040.TAA12740@nospam.hiwaay.net> from David Kelly at "Aug 20, 98 07:40:43 pm" To: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jlemon@americantv.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > "Jason C. Wells" writes: > > On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > > > > I know that this is offtopic, but I need to get ahold of an > > >IRIX 5.3 CD (for SimOS). Anyone know where I can find one of > > >these? Sales numbers at SGI are also welcome. > > > > > > I know zip about SGI, but apparently the 6.4 CD that I have > > >will not suit my purposes. > > > > I can tell you this. SGI made a change in binary file format from 5.3 to > > 6.4 so if you are thinking about mixing and matching binaries and kernels > > you best be careful. > > Irix 4.x was COFF, Irix 5.x was both COFF and ELF, Irix 6.x is ELF only. > The 5.3 kernel was COFF. IRIX 4.x was COFF only IRIX 5.3 is mostly ELF, but maintains the ability to run COFF executables and the IDO provides support for generating COFF binaries if you're desperate but defaults to ELF. It runs on R3000, R4000, R4400 and multi-CPU R4400 machines like the IP19 Onyx/Challenge. IRIX 5.3 is the last release of IRIX to support the R3000 processor: if you have an old SGI Indigo with an R3000 processor, this is the last release of IRIX that will run on it. IRIX 5.3 with 175Mhz and 2MB cache was a special release for certain Indigo2 machines with faster versions of the R4400 chip that run at 175Mhz or 300Mhz clock speeds. IRIX 5.3 with XFS was yet another interim release with XFS support. XFS was also available separately for IRIX 5.3 as aa whopping great patch bundle. (There were a couple of early 6.x releases for certain platforms. IRIX 6.0.1 and IRIX 6.1 were released mainly for Power Onyx and Power Challenge systems with R8000 CPUs. In IRIX 6.1, the kernel had support for activating COFF images but all the COFF compatibility libraries were removed.) IRIX 6.2 has all support for COFF removed and was supposed to be an all-platform release. It supports both 32-bit and 64-bit machines and include a MIPS-4 ABI for 64-bit binaries. Typically the only 64-bit machines are multi-CPU boxes like the IP19 Onyx/Challenge or IP21 Power Onyx/Power Challenge or IP25 Onyx (R10000) machines. IRIX 6.2 marks the official end of COFF support. It's also the first release to use the FLEXlm license manager from GlobeTrotter Software instead of the NLS license manager used in previous releases. (IRIX is also the only OS in the world that I know of where you actually need a FLEXlm license key to use certain 3rd party kernel extentions.) IRIX 6.3 is a platform specific release much like IRIX 6.2, except designed to support only the O2 workstation machines, which came out after IRIX 6.2 was released. It also includes new desktop tools. IRIX 6.2 runs _only_ on the O2. IRIX 6.3 With R10000 is yet another platform specific release for O2 workstations with R10000 processors. IRIX 6.4 is a platform specific release for the OCTANE, Origin and Onyx2 R10000 systems, which also came out after IRIX 6.2 was released. IRIX 6.4 is _only_ for 64-bit class systems. IRIX 6.4.1 is an incremental update to IRIX 6.4 released because IRIX 6.4 sucked. IRIX 6.5 is the latest all-platform release for all currently supported SGI hardware, including the Onyx2, Origin, OCTANE, Indigo2, Indigo2 IMPACT, Indy, Indy R5000, O2, O2 R10000, Onyx, Challenge, Power Onyx and Power Challenge. Among other things, it's substantially larger than IRIX 6.2, and it marks the first time that SGI has actually bundled full NFS support with the base OS rather than making you buy a separate set of CDs at extra cost. It also marks the first time SGI has provided all of the development support (assembler, linker, headers, C runtime startup modules) necessary to run gcc without having to buy an extra development package first. Compilers still cost extra though. Anyway. I have an IRIX 5.3 CD in my "wall 'o media" in my office, but I can't part with it as I need as I still have some machines running that OS release. Also, I don't believe the SGI license agreement allows selling the media unless it's part of a package deal including the workstation that it came with. I'd rather not give SGI an excuse to send their vicious lawyer hordes after me or Columbia. -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 13:48:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28017 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28007; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08075; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:47:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id PAA23425; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:46:47 -0500 Message-ID: <19980821154647.21527@right.PCS> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:46:47 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Bill Paul Cc: David Kelly , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Off-topic: IRIX 5.3 References: <199808210040.TAA12740@nospam.hiwaay.net> <199808211855.LAA16044@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <199808211855.LAA16044@hub.freebsd.org>; from Bill Paul on Aug 08, 1998 at 11:55:04AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Aug 08, 1998 at 11:55:04AM -0700, Bill Paul wrote: > > [ long, informational posting snipped ] > > Anyway. I have an IRIX 5.3 CD in my "wall 'o media" in my office, but > I can't part with it as I need as I still have some machines running > that OS release. Also, I don't believe the SGI license agreement allows > selling the media unless it's part of a package deal including the > workstation that it came with. I'd rather not give SGI an excuse to send > their vicious lawyer hordes after me or Columbia. Growl. I have an Onyx2 here, so obviously I have no media license for IRIX 5.3, and the machine probably won't run it anyway if I had one. SimOS distributes a modified IRIX 5.3 kernel, but you have to get the rest of the support utilities (like init) from the CDROM. Obviously, an IRIX 6.4 init won't work. (I tried it anyway, it definitely doesn't work. Can you say p a n i c ?) SimOS does support IRIX 6.4, but SGI won't give Stanford permission to redistribute the modified kernel. What am I supposed to do, buy an old SGI just to get the media? Perhaps BEST has more ``boat anchors'' they want to get rid of? :-) I did call the SGI sales office, but they referred me to the local SGI educational contact, who hasn't gotten back to me yet. I bet that after all of this, I'm going to find that the simulator doesn't do what I want anyway, making it all a bit of useless tail-chasing. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 17:42:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24534 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24494 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.1 [OUT])) id RAA07310; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id RAA06317; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:40:42 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id SAA06619; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:40:41 -0600 Message-ID: <35DE1388.88904029@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:40:40 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Wilde , "core@peloton.physics.montana.educore"@peloton.physics.montana.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: site design References: <19980820103932.18218@welearn.com.au> <199808200406.WAA07414@obie.softweyr.com> <35DCE0DC.9FEA4160@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don Wilde wrote: > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > > > Nah, never happen. All you have to do is watch one orbit, look for > > the big brown smear, and work from there. The ugly brown stain will > > be LA, of course. > > Bite your tongue, Wes. Our air has more vitamins than any other air > anywhere. :) This was an open invitation for someone to slam me back, as I live 5 miles from the only man-made feature on the surface of the planet visible to the unaided human eye from orbit. Any takers yet? Where's Terry Lambert when you knead him? Oh yeah, he's not a Daemon News type, is he? Heh. No, it's *not* the Great Wall of China. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 17:42:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24686 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:42:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24678 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.1 [OUT])) id RAA07318; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id RAA06330; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:41:40 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id SAA06635; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:41:39 -0600 Message-ID: <35DE13C3.9AB6FFDA@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:41:39 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing-list CC: "'chat@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: sub References: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B1D75EA@server.ligos.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Chat Mailing-list wrote: > > subscribe > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message If *I* send a message with the subject "DOM" do I get to take over the mail list? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 17:53:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25832 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (ppp-d3.dialup.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25821 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11180; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:50:30 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199808211750.RAA11180@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Wes Peters cc: Don Wilde , "core@peloton.physics.montana.educore"@peloton.physics.montana.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: site design In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:40:40 CST." <35DE1388.88904029@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:50:28 +0000 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Don Wilde wrote: > > > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > > > > > > Nah, never happen. All you have to do is watch one orbit, look for > > > the big brown smear, and work from there. The ugly brown stain will > > > be LA, of course. > > > > Bite your tongue, Wes. Our air has more vitamins than any other air > > anywhere. :) > > This was an open invitation for someone to slam me back, as I live > 5 miles from the only man-made feature on the surface of the planet > visible to the unaided human eye from orbit. Any takers yet? > > Where's Terry Lambert when you knead him? Oh yeah, he's not a > Daemon News type, is he? Heh. > > No, it's *not* the Great Wall of China. But it is visible to the human eye from orbit. And I don't think the Tabernacle is *that* gaudy. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 18:52:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04365 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04338 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt3-116.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.116]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA01784 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:51:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16416 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:41:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Message-Id: <199808220141.UAA16416@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Off-topic: IRIX 5.3 In-reply-to: Message from Bill Paul of "Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:55:04 PDT." <199808211855.LAA16044@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:41:10 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Paul writes: > > IRIX 6.3 is a platform specific release much like IRIX 6.2, except > designed to support only the O2 workstation machines, which came out > after IRIX 6.2 was released. It also includes new desktop tools. IRIX 6.2 > runs _only_ on the O2. 'tisk, 'tisk. You had it right earlier, 6.3 runs only on the O2, and until 6.5 came out (mine arrived this week) 6.3 was the only version that ran on the O2. > IRIX 6.3 With R10000 is yet another platform specific release for > O2 workstations with R10000 processors. Yup. Forgot they differentiated "6.3" and "6.3 for R10000". The R10000 version installs correctly on R5000's too. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 19:38:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11626 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11484; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA06960; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:06:36 +0930 (CST) Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.6.12) id LAA00504; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:12:39 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <19980822111239.61830@papillon.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:12:39 +0900 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass , dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD more secure than IRIX References: <199808211128.EAA11769@mailgate.cadence.com> <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Fri, Aug 21, 1998 at 09:43:01AM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 21 August 1998 at 9:43:01 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 12:27 PM 8/21/98 +0000, Duncan Barclay wrote: > >> In CNets headline story today, FreeBSD replaces comproimised IRIX >> servers at a Kentucky ISP! >> >> Whether the attack was the fault of the ISP's operating system >> remains an unanswered question. But Aye Net is not taking any >> chances. It has since replaced its operating system with FreeBSD, >> which is a version of Unix with strengthened security measures. >> >> http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,25526,00.html?st.ne.1.head > > For Heaven's sake someone warn them not to run QPopper. Why? Firstly, it wasn't a FreeBSD problem, and secondly it's been fixed. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 21 23:25:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03988 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03982 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10659; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <35DE642A.EF88A3CD@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:24:42 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: Don Wilde , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: site design References: <199808211750.RAA11180@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Moved to -chat, since this certainly isn't on-topic over in Daemon News. Wes Peters recently blathered: % This was an open invitation for someone to slam me back, as I live % 5 miles from the only man-made feature on the surface of the planet % visible to the unaided human eye from orbit. Any takers yet? % % Where's Terry Lambert when you knead him? Oh yeah, he's not a % Daemon News type, is he? Heh. % % No, it's *not* the Great Wall of China. Mike Smith cleverly replied: > But it is visible to the human eye from orbit. > > And I don't think the Tabernacle is *that* gaudy. Don Wilde swagged away with: > Four Corners power plant complex? Another ugly brown stain, not to > mention a few assorted anti-government extremists.Okay, your air's got > as many vitamins as ours. No, and no. Salt Lake City does have it's lovely layer of smog; these idiots here have always wanted to be LA junior and now they're getting their wish, but we come by ours the old-fashioned, LA way -- car exhaust. No, to be seen from orbit, this has to be a pretty big structure. IIRC, it's nearly 5 miles across, and colored such that it stands out quite nicely from the background, which is mostly wheat fields and sage brush. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 04:43:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA22801 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from notabene.zer0.org (sac-port387.jps.net [209.63.247.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA22796 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@n1.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by notabene.zer0.org (8.8.7/8.8.8) id EAA04204; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Message-ID: <19980822044156.H924@notabene.zer0.org> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 04:41:56 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Wes Peters , Mike Smith Cc: Don Wilde , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: site design References: <199808211750.RAA11180@dingo.cdrom.com> <35DE642A.EF88A3CD@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <35DE642A.EF88A3CD@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 12:24:42AM -0600 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 12:24:42AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Wes Peters recently blathered: > > % This was an open invitation for someone to slam me back, as I live > % 5 miles from the only man-made feature on the surface of the planet > % visible to the unaided human eye from orbit. Any takers yet? > % > % No, it's *not* the Great Wall of China. > > Mike Smith cleverly replied: > > But it is visible to the human eye from orbit. Which is true. So yours will have to be one of the very few man-made features visible from orbit. > No, to be seen from orbit, this has to be a pretty big structure. > IIRC, it's nearly 5 miles across, and colored such that it stands > out quite nicely from the background, which is mostly wheat fields > and sage brush. That's one hell of a crop circle! Or one nice particle accelerator. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Bureaucrats cut red tape -- lengthwise. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 09:57:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18972 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18967; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA23875; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.44.19980822092601.041f94e0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:27:25 -0600 To: Greg Lehey , dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD more secure than IRIX In-Reply-To: <19980822111239.61830@papillon.lemis.com> References: <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org> <199808211128.EAA11769@mailgate.cadence.com> <199808211543.JAA12023@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:12 AM 8/22/98 +0900, Greg Lehey wrote: >> For Heaven's sake someone warn them not to run QPopper. > >Why? Firstly, it wasn't a FreeBSD problem, and secondly it's been >fixed. Yes, but they switched before 2.2.7 came out. The old QPopper was in the Ports Collection for 2.2.6. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 12:22:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29257 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29241; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:22:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA24991; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:21:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:21:29 -0600 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Remark from Nick Petreley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This week in InfoWorld, Nick Petreley wrote: "FreeBSD fans often resent the popularity of Linux and some consider Richard Stallman the antichrist because he believes in making open source software mandatory." (See http://forums.infoworld.com/threads/get.cgi?70162 for context.) This is, of course, a mischaracterization on several counts. Those on this list should write ick and explain to him that FreeBSD advocates don't "resent" the popularity of Linux but rather believe that FreeBSD is underrecognized. And also that advocacy of the Berkeley license over the GPL isn't "considering Richard Stallman the Antichrist" -- it's a realistic, practical stance that's NOT motivated by Stallman's anti-business ideology. Nick is Nicholas_Petreley@infoworld.com. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 13:57:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05716 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from notabene.zer0.org (sac-port387.jps.net [209.63.247.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05708 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@n1.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by notabene.zer0.org (8.8.7/8.8.8) id NAA08321 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Message-ID: <19980822135700.J924@notabene.zer0.org> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:57:00 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remark from Nick Petreley References: <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 01:21:29PM -0600 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [-advocacy removed] On Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 01:21:29PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > This week in InfoWorld, Nick Petreley wrote: > > "FreeBSD fans often resent the popularity of Linux and some consider > Richard Stallman the antichrist because he believes in making open source > software mandatory." > > (See http://forums.infoworld.com/threads/get.cgi?70162 for context.) > > This is, of course, a mischaracterization on several counts. Those on this > list should write ick and explain to him that FreeBSD advocates don't > "resent" the popularity of Linux but rather believe that FreeBSD is > underrecognized. And also that advocacy of the Berkeley license over the > GPL isn't "considering Richard Stallman the Antichrist" -- it's a > realistic, practical stance that's NOT motivated by Stallman's > anti-business ideology. Brett, _Your_ previous comments on Stallman, more than anyone else on these lists (that I've heard from), are the ones which I would consider closest to Petreley's statement above. Practice what you preach. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Bureaucrats cut red tape -- lengthwise. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 15:42:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14789 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14783 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA26221; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:41:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808222241.QAA26221@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:41:32 -0600 To: Gregory Sutter , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Remark from Nick Petreley In-Reply-To: <19980822135700.J924@notabene.zer0.org> References: <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:57 PM 8/22/98 -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: >Brett, > >_Your_ previous comments on Stallman, more than anyone else on these >lists (that I've heard from), are the ones which I would consider >closest to Petreley's statement above. Practice what you preach. I do, and always have. It is the Linux zealots who interpret ANY remark that critiques the "Holy GPL," or explains the actual intent behind it, as sacriligious. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 16:29:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18056 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from notabene.zer0.org (sac-port387.jps.net [209.63.247.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18051 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@n1.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by notabene.zer0.org (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA08681; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Message-ID: <19980822162831.N924@notabene.zer0.org> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:28:31 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remark from Nick Petreley References: <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> <19980822135700.J924@notabene.zer0.org> <199808222241.QAA26221@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.1i In-Reply-To: <199808222241.QAA26221@lariat.lariat.org>; from Brett Glass on Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 04:41:32PM -0600 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 04:41:32PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 01:57 PM 8/22/98 -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > >_Your_ previous comments on Stallman, more than anyone else on these > >lists (that I've heard from), are the ones which I would consider > >closest to Petreley's statement above. Practice what you preach. > > I do, and always have. It is the Linux zealots who interpret ANY remark that > critiques the "Holy GPL," or explains the actual intent behind it, as > sacriligious. Why is it always "Linux zealots" or "GPL zealots", but never "Brett Glass, BSD zealot" or "Brett Glass, commercialism zealot"? After all, people arguing equally ferociously on two sides of an issue can surely be branded the same. When you say things like: >Nope, it's communist. He [RMS] wants all software development to be done >by collectives that are subservient to the Supreme Soviet (oops, >I mean the FSF). >As usual, a group of GPL zealots have gotten loose in an InfoWorld forum, >claiming that RMS is nothing less than a saint and that the GPL is The One >True Way. >Anyone who critiques the GPL >is *immediately* branded a "Linux basher," a "zealot," or worse. >Ditto anyone who points out areas in which FreeBSD has advantages >over Linux. >I'm now convinced that these folks ARE out to kill the *BSDs. Apparently, >they're a threat to the GPL zealots for two reasons. First, they prove that >the restrictive terms of the GPL are not necessary to the success of >collaboratively developed softwre;[...] ...you show yourself to be just as vigorous, just as zealous, in your pursuit of what you feel as the stereotypical GPL zealot is in his. There is a place in this world for both GNU licensing and Open Source licensing, just as there are people who strongly and loudly support both. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Bureaucrats cut red tape -- lengthwise. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 18:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27916 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27911 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:08:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA27100; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:07:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808230107.TAA27100@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:07:07 -0600 To: Gregory Sutter , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Remark from Nick Petreley In-Reply-To: <19980822162831.N924@notabene.zer0.org> References: <199808222241.QAA26221@lariat.lariat.org> <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> <199808221921.NAA24991@lariat.lariat.org> <19980822135700.J924@notabene.zer0.org> <199808222241.QAA26221@lariat.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:28 PM 8/22/98 -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: >When you say things like: [Quotes elided] You're quoting my remarks out of context. You should print the absurd and outrageous remarks to which I was responding. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 19:51:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08797 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08790 for chat; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:51:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199808230251.TAA08790@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: job change for jonathan bresler To: chat Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:51:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have left the Federal Reserve Board of Govenors for a job at a local startup: USinternetworking, Inc. Their/Our web pages are available at www.USinternetworking.com and www.usi.net. (*not* usi.com). So far work is very interesting and very time comsuming, such is the nature of startups. Everyone on staff that i have met impresses me. this is a great group of dedicated people. my new work email address is Jonathan.Bresler@USi.net (dont ask me about the mail server....). you can reach me by phone at 410.897.4435, that's the network lab where i spend my days (and part of my nights :) jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 20:20:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13260 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jane.lfn.org (www.lfn.org [209.16.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA13229 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from caj@lfn.org) Received: (qmail 24593 invoked by uid 100); 23 Aug 1998 03:19:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:19:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Craig Johnston To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I figured some of you might be interested in this. The specs are i166MMX / 16MB(80 max) / 2.1GB / 12.1 TFT @ 800x600x16 / 4 lbs, 1.2" thick, basically full-sized keyboard, trackpoint (the red 'pencil eraser') pointing device, SBPro compat sound, external floppy drive, IrDA port. The video is Trident Cyber9382, i.e. supported by XFree86. I wish I'd known microwarehouse (www.microwarehouse.com) had 'em this cheap when I bought mine 3 weeks ago -- I paid about $700 more and I felt like it was a great buy until I saw this. :/ This isn't FreeBSD-specific but I wanted FreeBSD folks to get 'em. It's really an incredible deal. (IBM just discontinued it recently.) You probably couldn't buy just the screen much cheaper. It works great for FreeBSD. Enjoy, Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 21:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23735 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23651; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:26:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA28279; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:25:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808230425.WAA28279@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:25:00 -0600 To: Craig Johnston , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Be careful with the Cyber chips. If you have them in screen expansion mode (an IBM BIOS option) the XFree86 screen driver will go bonkers and your screen will just go black. --Brett At 10:19 PM 8/22/98 -0500, Craig Johnston wrote: > >I figured some of you might be interested in this. The specs are >i166MMX / 16MB(80 max) / 2.1GB / 12.1 TFT @ 800x600x16 / 4 lbs, 1.2" thick, >basically full-sized keyboard, trackpoint (the red 'pencil eraser') pointing >device, SBPro compat sound, external floppy drive, IrDA port. > >The video is Trident Cyber9382, i.e. supported by XFree86. > >I wish I'd known microwarehouse (www.microwarehouse.com) had 'em this >cheap when I bought mine 3 weeks ago -- I paid about $700 more and I >felt like it was a great buy until I saw this. :/ > >This isn't FreeBSD-specific but I wanted FreeBSD folks to get 'em. >It's really an incredible deal. (IBM just discontinued it recently.) >You probably couldn't buy just the screen much cheaper. It works >great for FreeBSD. > >Enjoy, >Craig > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 22 21:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24017 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23963; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA28288; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808230426.WAA28288@lariat.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:26:16 -0600 To: Craig Johnston , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560E TFT -> $1200 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh, one other thing about the ThinkPad worth noting: the internal modem and sound are done by an MWave chip. There are NO FreeBSD drivers for this, so neither the synth nor the modem will work. You'll need to get PCMCIA cards for these functions. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message