From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 4 05:18:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA26272 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from dpi.dgtu.donetsk.ua (root@dipt-57.6K-dgtu-gw.dgtu.donetsk.ua [194.44.183.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA26256 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:18:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yk@info.dgtu.donetsk.ua) Received: from info.dgtu.donetsk.ua (root@info.dgtu.donetsk.ua [194.44.183.7]) by dpi.dgtu.donetsk.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00676 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:18:32 +0200 (EET) Received: (from yk@localhost) by info.dgtu.donetsk.ua (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA02036 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:18:30 +0200 (EET) From: Yury Yaroshevsky Message-Id: <199801041318.PAA02036@info.dgtu.donetsk.ua> Subject: Problem with Digi PC/16e ... To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:18:30 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi All! Please see this log: Dec 29 18:53:38 dpi /kernel: dgb0: PC/Xe 64K Dec 29 18:53:38 dpi /kernel: dgb0 at 0x220-0x223 maddr 0xd0000 msize 65536 flags 0x2 on isa Dec 29 18:53:38 dpi /kernel: dgb0: 16 ports Dec 29 19:14:04 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port0: overrun ^^^^^^^ this port is locked on 38400. Dec 29 19:14:44 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=216,tl=218 Dec 29 19:14:46 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=220,tl=218 Dec 29 19:14:51 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=196,tl=218 [skip] Dec 29 19:21:01 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=248,tl=218 Dec 29 19:21:05 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=252,tl=218 Now, I'm reboot machine ! Dec 29 19:22:25 dpi /kernel: dgb0: PC/Xe 64K Dec 29 19:22:25 dpi /kernel: dgb0 at 0x220-0x223 maddr 0xd0000 msize 65536 flags 0x2 on isa Dec 29 19:22:25 dpi /kernel: dgb0: 16 ports Dec 29 19:27:04 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=848,tl=846 But problem is repeated :((( Dec 29 19:27:04 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=852,tl=846 Dec 29 19:27:04 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=856,tl=846 Dec 29 19:27:05 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=860,tl=846 [skip] Dec 30 09:58:32 dpi /kernel: dgb0: PC/Xe 64K Dec 30 09:58:32 dpi /kernel: dgb0 at 0x220-0x223 maddr 0xd0000 msize 65536 flags 0x2 on isa Dec 30 09:58:32 dpi /kernel: dgb0: 16 ports ^^^ Dec 30 10:04:08 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port3: overrun Dec 30 10:07:26 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 67: got event on nonexisting port ^^^ How? Where driver found 67 port ? Or this is hardware problems? Dec 30 10:12:29 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=1002,tl=996 Dec 30 10:13:55 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 67: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:23:15 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 79: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:32:29 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 78: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:33:25 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=530,tl=528 Dec 30 10:37:56 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 29: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:37:56 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 30: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:37:56 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 30: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:49:53 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 79: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:49:53 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 79: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:50:47 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=662,tl=660 Dec 30 10:52:03 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 78: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:52:03 dpi /kernel: dgb0: port 79: got event on nonexisting port Dec 30 10:55:43 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=420,tl=422 Dec 30 10:55:43 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=424,tl=422 Dec 30 10:55:44 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=428,tl=422 Dec 30 10:55:46 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=432,tl=422 Dec 30 10:57:37 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=432,tl=422 Dec 30 11:03:17 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=432,tl=422 Dec 30 11:08:49 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=436,tl=422 Dec 30 11:09:06 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=440,tl=422 Dec 30 11:15:26 dpi /kernel: dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! hd=440,tl=430 [skip] After messages: ... dgb0: event queue's head or tail is wrong! ... any port on Digi PC/16e is not worked. I'm check this with cu and local test on Patton 1080. Plese help me solve this problem. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 5 06:06:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA04869 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from skyserv.med.osd.mil (skyserv.med.osd.mil [199.209.8.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA04860 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 06:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from (ae1970.med.osd.mil [161.14.168.22]) by skyserv.med.osd.mil (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id JAA20948; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:04:36 -0500 From: "Ross Potts" Message-Id: <9801050904.ZM7575@unknown.zmail.host> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 09:04:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: mika ruohotie "Re: I broke my mouse." (Jan 2, 11:54am) References: <199801020954.LAA11223@shadows.aeon.net> X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: mika ruohotie Subject: Re: I broke my mouse. Cc: freeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >logically, i would assume the danger exists. > > >mickey Mickey broke his Mouse? Man, who could predict that coincidence? Sorry, I had to say it. -- UNIX Rules!!! Ross Potts Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : 5203 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church, VA 22041 From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 7 10:05:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22711 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:05:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA22693 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@kalypso.cybercom.net) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA25683 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:03:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:03:53 -0500 (EST) From: The Classiest Man Alive To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anybody have any experience (good or bad) with the LS-120 floppy drive upgrades? I'm interested in how they perform with FreeBSD and/or Windows. How about the Riva 128-based video cards? How do they fare against the Matrox Millenium II? Does anyone know if anything special needs to be done to get the ASUS P2L97 to work with more than 64 MB of RAM (BIOS settings, switches, anything)? Thanks all, K.S. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 7 10:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA26107 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA26017; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:39:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agifford@infowest.com) Received: from default (homework.infowest.com [207.49.60.254]) by infowest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08061; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:39:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980107113940.03f6b490@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:39:40 -0700 To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: Sony CD-Recordable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone used the Sony CSP960S CD-Recordable with FreeBDS? Thanks, Aaron out. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 7 10:57:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA27700 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:57:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA27695; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:57:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agifford@infowest.com) Received: from default (homework.infowest.com [207.49.60.254]) by infowest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09424; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 11:57:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980107115722.00857290@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 11:57:22 -0700 To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: Or Yamaha CD-Recordable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone used the Yamaha CDR400TIPC CD-Recordable with FreeBSD? It's a SCSI 4x write 6x read drive. Thanks, Aaron out. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 7 13:26:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA12043 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:26:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from soleil.uvsq.fr (soleil.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12034 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:26:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from son@cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr) Received: from cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (rtc103.reseau.uvsq.fr [193.51.24.19]) by soleil.uvsq.fr (8.8.6/jtpda-5.2.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA23249 ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:26:32 +0100 (MET) Received: (from son@localhost) by cezanne.prism.uvsq.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00373; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:33:32 GMT Message-ID: <19980102113331.18967@coreff.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:33:31 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: "Shaun Q." Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: zip drive problems (fixed.) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Shaun Q. on Fri, Jan 02, 1998 at 12:50:06AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD coreff 2.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Great! Now please, open your box and try to tell us the name of your parallel port chipset... We may be able to fix ppbus then. BTW, can you configure the parallel port with the bios? Try something like ECP+EPP if you can. On Fri, Jan 02, 1998 at 12:50:06AM -0500, Shaun Q. wrote: >Hey - It's working! > >I received an email from Nicolas Souchu describing how someone had done it >with the PPA driver instead of the ppbus. I installed it and initially >had no success. However, I played with the flags a little and found out >via trial and error that it can not be in EPP mode. I don't know if this >is caused by my chipset, however, it's working now. I guess that the >temporary solution until a fix for ppbus comes out would be to use ppa3 >and if that doesn't work right away, to use that in any mode but EPP. > >Thanks for everyone's help. > >If anyone would like a copy of my MACHINE file, just write. > >TTYL! >Shaun Qualheim > > > -- Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 7 15:29:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA24292 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:29:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from sensi.pu.ru (sensi.pu.ru [194.58.105.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24276 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 15:28:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vadik@sensi.pu.ru) Received: (from vadik@localhost) by sensi.pu.ru (8.8.5/8.7.3) id CAA20173; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:22:25 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <19980108022225.13974@sensi.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:22:25 +0300 From: vadik likholetov To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: FAS408 support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e X-NCC-RegID: ru.hqlgu Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I've got troubler running PCMCIA FAS408 Qlogic SCSI card, manufactured by Panasonic( KME KLC0003) Any suggessions? -- vadik likholetov From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 7 18:56:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA15259 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA15178 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:55:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00424; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:19:12 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801080249.NAA00424@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: The Classiest Man Alive cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Jan 1998 13:03:53 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 13:19:11 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anybody have any experience (good or bad) with the LS-120 floppy > drive upgrades? I'm interested in how they perform with FreeBSD and/or > Windows. The LS-120 is not (yet) supported by the base system. Just today this was posted: To: mike@smith.net.au Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: New ATAPI LS-120 driver Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 10:25:59 +0900 From: Satoh Junichi I updated the ATAPI LS-120 driver for FreeBSD2.2.5-RELEASE and 3.0-971208-SNAP. It supports slices and partitions. It's now available on http://www.jp.freebsd.org/~junichi --- Junichi which you might want to try. > Does anyone know if anything special needs to be done to get the ASUS > P2L97 to work with more than 64 MB of RAM (BIOS settings, switches, > anything)? If this is a VX or TX board, forget it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 00:04:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA18046 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:04:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA18009 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:03:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@cybercom.net) Received: from atlanta (mfd-dial1-29.cybercom.net [209.21.137.29]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA04519 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:02:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980108022323.009a2200@cybercom.net> X-Sender: ksmm@cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 02:23:23 -0500 To: hardware@FreeBSD.org From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-Reply-To: <199801080249.NAA00424@word.smith.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 01:19 PM 1/8/98 +1030, you wrote: >> Does anybody have any experience (good or bad) with the LS-120 floppy >> drive upgrades? I'm interested in how they perform with FreeBSD and/or >> Windows. > >The LS-120 is not (yet) supported by the base system. Does this hardware at least have 32-bit drivers for Windows or does it force compatibility mode in Win 95? >> Does anyone know if anything special needs to be done to get the ASUS >> P2L97 to work with more than 64 MB of RAM (BIOS settings, switches, >> anything)? > >If this is a VX or TX board, forget it. Sheesh, is is that bad? Actually I think that this is an LX board (if that's even one of the choices). What's the technical reason that VX/TX boards can't have more than 64 MB? K.S. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 03:19:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA03098 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:19:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp4.portal.net.au [202.12.71.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA03093 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:19:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00252; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:43:31 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801081113.VAA00252@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: The Classiest Man Alive cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jan 1998 02:23:23 CDT." <3.0.3.32.19980108022323.009a2200@cybercom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:43:29 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At 01:19 PM 1/8/98 +1030, you wrote: > >> Does anybody have any experience (good or bad) with the LS-120 floppy > >> drive upgrades? I'm interested in how they perform with FreeBSD and/or > >> Windows. > > > >The LS-120 is not (yet) supported by the base system. > > Does this hardware at least have 32-bit drivers for Windows or does it > force compatibility mode in Win 95? How would I know? This is a FreeBSD list. 8) Actually, it's a standard ATAPI removable, so it should Just Work. > >> Does anyone know if anything special needs to be done to get the ASUS > >> P2L97 to work with more than 64 MB of RAM (BIOS settings, switches, > >> anything)? > > > >If this is a VX or TX board, forget it. > > Sheesh, is is that bad? Actually I think that this is an LX board (if > that's even one of the choices). What's the technical reason that VX/TX > boards can't have more than 64 MB? They can, they just won't cache it. If you're on an LX you're using a PII, and you can ignore the above. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 03:21:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA03315 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA03304 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 03:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07346; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:20:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:20:43 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: The Classiest Man Alive cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980108022323.009a2200@cybercom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > >> P2L97 to work with more than 64 MB of RAM (BIOS settings, switches, > >> anything)? > > > >If this is a VX or TX board, forget it. > > Sheesh, is is that bad? Actually I think that this is an LX board (if > that's even one of the choices). What's the technical reason that VX/TX > boards can't have more than 64 MB? The VX and TX chipsets won't cache more than 64 MB. You can put more RAM in, but everything slows down. For > 64 MB use HX, Via VP-2 or a new SiS chipset board (eg. GigaByte 586S). For lots of info like this, see Tom's Hardware Guide Danny From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 04:09:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA07921 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from hartley.mintel.co.uk (hartley.mintel.co.uk [194.217.87.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA07901; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:09:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason.thomson@mintel.co.uk) Received: from mintel.co.uk ([10.0.0.233]) by hartley.mintel.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11296; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 12:05:33 GMT Message-ID: <34B4C1E5.D9E4FCBF@mintel.co.uk> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:09:09 +0000 From: Jason Thomson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG CC: Philip.Ward@mintel.co.uk Subject: OFFTOPIC: Computer supplier in Chicago area. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This may be a bit off topic, but I trust the people who read these lists to give some sensible answers. The company I work for, (Mintel International Group Ltd.) is setting up a venture in Chicago. We will require equipment (PCs, scanners, notebooks etc), an internet connection and support. So if anyone can supply these services or recommend someone, I would be most appreciative. Below is an idea of what we would want (nothing has been finally decided yet): Hardware: 4 PCs (P166MMXs, 32MB Ram, Win95). 2 Servers (P200MMX, 64MB Ram, 1 NT, 1 FreeBSD). A4 Scanner. Digital Camera. Laser Printer. Ethernet Network. (i.e. cabling, cards, hub). (Probably 10BaseT with Cat 5 cabling). Software: MS Office95 x 4. Internet Connection: Dial-up or leased line. (Not decided yet). Fixed IP address preferable. (Perhaps even a 8 or 16 addresses). Secondary DNS (maybe). Configured FreeBSD box (Not fully decided on this one either yet - I'm not coming over to do it myself - so we may want a fully configured box we can just drop in). Support: This is an important one. We will be doing most of the support from the UK (over the telephone and using PC Anywhere or something similar and telnet or ssh for the FreeBSD box). However, if anything catastrophic happens (as it sometimes does - e.g. Disk crash / OS corruption etc. / Hardware failure) we would need to be able to rely on someone to go in and sort things out. And now for the fun part - we want to get all this together and put it in during the first week of February. It's probably best if replies don't go to back to the list. (It's not that interesting for most of the people on the list). So please reply direct to me (jason.thomson@mintel.co.uk). Thanks for your help (hopefully), Jason Thomson Director Of IT Mintel International Group Ltd. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 07:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA22899 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA22894 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 07:16:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03864; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:16:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:16:10 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199801081516.JAA03864@plains.NoDak.edu> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, ksmm@cybercom.net Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> Does anyone know if anything special needs to be done to get the ASUS > >> P2L97 to work with more than 64 MB of RAM (BIOS settings, switches, > >> anything)? > > > >If this is a VX or TX board, forget it. > > Sheesh, is is that bad? Actually I think that this is an LX board (if > that's even one of the choices). What's the technical reason that VX/TX > boards can't have more than 64 MB? from the ASUS newsgroup a couple months ago (I have not been reading too carefully since just before Christmas), it appears that people have been having problems with the middle DIMM slot of the Pentium II P2L97 (LX) motherboard. I know you don't want to hear this, but I suggest you buy a 64/128MB DIMM and place it in one of the outside slots with your existing SIMM in the other outside slot.. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 09:18:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA04033 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:18:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04012 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18735; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:17:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801081717.JAA18735@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Mike Smith cc: The Classiest Man Alive , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 08 Jan 98 21:43:29 +1030. <199801081113.VAA00252@word.smith.net.au> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:17:44 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> Does anyone know if anything special needs to be done to get the ASUS >> >> P2L97 to work with more than 64 MB of RAM (BIOS settings, switches, >> >> anything)? >> >If this is a VX or TX board, forget it. >> Sheesh, is is that bad? Actually I think that this is an LX board (if >> that's even one of the choices). What's the technical reason that VX/TX >> boards can't have more than 64 MB? >They can, they just won't cache it. If you're on an LX you're using a >PII, and you can ignore the above. Actually, I believe the Pentium II (not the LX chipset) has a similar limit, except I think it stops caching at 256MB, if I'm not mistaken. The Pentium Pro doesn't have this limit, and the new 100MHz bus Pentium IIs won't either. As someone else mentioned, Tom's Hardware Guide is one good place to go for this info. You can also go straight to Intel, though it would probably take some digging. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 13:29:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA02716 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:29:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from ns.tar.com (ns.tar.com [204.95.187.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02635 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 13:27:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@tar.com) Received: from ppro.tar.com (ppro.tar.com [204.95.187.9]) by ns.tar.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA01865; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:25:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801082125.PAA01865@ns.tar.com> From: "Richard Seaman, Jr." To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: "hardware@freebsd.org" Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 15:25:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Richard Seaman, Jr." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:17:44 -0800, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: >Actually, I believe the Pentium II (not the LX chipset) has a similar >limit, except I think it stops caching at 256MB, if I'm not mistaken. Check ftp://download.intel.com/design/PentiumII/datashts/24333502.PDF According to page 5 of this document, the PII caches 512MB. Now, I'm not saying you're wrong, but there is a discrepancy between this Intel document and what you say :) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 19:33:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA04541 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:33:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA04529 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20264; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:32:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801090332.TAA20264@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Richard Seaman, Jr." cc: "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 08 Jan 98 15:25:53 -0500. <199801082125.PAA01865@ns.tar.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:32:56 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:17:44 -0800, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: >>Actually, I believe the Pentium II (not the LX chipset) has a similar >>limit, except I think it stops caching at 256MB, if I'm not mistaken. >Check ftp://download.intel.com/design/PentiumII/datashts/24333502.PDF >According to page 5 of this document, the PII caches 512MB. Now, I'm >not saying you're wrong, but there is a discrepancy between this Intel >document and what you say :) Which is why I said "I think" and "if I'm not mistaken". I believe the context of my message made it pretty clear I was just going from memory, and not speaking authoritatively. I knew there was a reachable limit on current motherboards, and you've proven me correct. The Pentium Pro has a higher limit (1GB?), and the Deschuttes (however the hell you spell it) will also have higher limits. I was only one bit off... :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 21:51:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15744 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:51:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15663 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:50:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01852; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:49:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801090549.VAA01852@implode.root.com> To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: "Richard Seaman, Jr." , "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:32:56 PST." <199801090332.TAA20264@MindBender.serv.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:49:27 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I knew there was a reachable limit on current motherboards, and you've >proven me correct. The Pentium Pro has a higher limit (1GB?), and the >Deschuttes (however the hell you spell it) will also have higher >limits. I don't believe the Pentium Pro (P6) has any restriction; it's internal L2 cache has all the tag bits necessary to cache the entire physical address space. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 22:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA21722 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA21702 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:54:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA28340; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:24:05 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA06066; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:24:03 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109172403.43038@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:24:03 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: Mike Smith , The Classiest Man Alive , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard References: <199801081113.VAA00252@word.smith.net.au> <199801081717.JAA18735@MindBender.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801081717.JAA18735@MindBender.serv.net>; from Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com on Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 09:17:44AM -0800 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 09:17:44AM -0800, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > >>>>> Does anyone know if anything special needs to be done to get the ASUS >>>>> P2L97 to work with more than 64 MB of RAM (BIOS settings, switches, >>>>> anything)? > >>>> If this is a VX or TX board, forget it. > >>> Sheesh, is is that bad? Actually I think that this is an LX board (if >>> that's even one of the choices). What's the technical reason that VX/TX >>> boards can't have more than 64 MB? > >> They can, they just won't cache it. If you're on an LX you're using a >> PII, and you can ignore the above. > > As someone else mentioned, Tom's Hardware Guide is one good place to > go for this info. You can also go straight to Intel, though it would > probably take some digging. I've seen this claim before from numerous places, but they all refer to Tom's Hardware Guide. I've read the stuff there. What he says is that he can't see how the TX chipset can cache more than 64 MB without an external tag RAM, and that he can't see how to support the tag RAM. I have a TX board (IWill P55XB2) with 96 MB and something on the board which looks like a tag RAM, but haven't got round to measuring it (or even finding something I can measure with). The board supports up to 256 MB, and nothing in the documentation refers to any cache limitation. I'd be very interested if somebody could come up with independent information. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 22:57:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22055 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:57:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22046 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:57:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00788; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 17:21:15 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801090651.RAA00788@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:24:03 +1030." <19980109172403.43038@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:21:15 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've seen this claim before from numerous places, but they all refer > to Tom's Hardware Guide. I did? > I've read the stuff there. What he says is > that he can't see how the TX chipset can cache more than 64 MB without > an external tag RAM, and that he can't see how to support the tag RAM. That sounds like a pretty good way to start. 8) > I have a TX board (IWill P55XB2) with 96 MB and something on the board > which looks like a tag RAM, but haven't got round to measuring it (or > even finding something I can measure with). What makes it "look like a tag RAM"? > The board supports up to > 256 MB, and nothing in the documentation refers to any cache > limitation. I'd be very interested if somebody could come up with > independent information. I would recommend Intel's website and the datasheets for the 430TX chipset. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 8 23:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25391 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25377 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:46:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28421; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:16:03 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA06281; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:16:02 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109181602.10780@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:16:02 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard References: <19980109172403.43038@lemis.com> <199801090651.RAA00788@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801090651.RAA00788@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 05:21:15PM +1030 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 05:21:15PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >> I've seen this claim before from numerous places, but they all refer >> to Tom's Hardware Guide. > > I did? Indirectly. You didn't name any source that didn't refer directly or indirectly to them. >> I've read the stuff there. What he says is >> that he can't see how the TX chipset can cache more than 64 MB without >> an external tag RAM, and that he can't see how to support the tag RAM. > > That sounds like a pretty good way to start. 8) Agreed. It doesn't >> I have a TX board (IWill P55XB2) with 96 MB and something on the board >> which looks like a tag RAM, but haven't got round to measuring it (or >> even finding something I can measure with). > > What makes it "look like a tag RAM"? It's long, thin, black, has legs, and is near the cache chips. Sure, it could be lots of other things, but I wasn't able to locate the part number. >> The board supports up to 256 MB, and nothing in the documentation >> refers to any cache limitation. I'd be very interested if somebody >> could come up with independent information. > > I would recommend Intel's website and the datasheets for the 430TX > chipset. URL? Yes, I know I'm lazy. But I have other things which I find more pressing. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 00:21:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA27582 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:21:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA27570 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01031; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:44:42 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801090814.SAA01031@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: Mike Smith , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:16:02 +1030." <19980109181602.10780@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:44:42 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 05:21:15PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: > >> I've seen this claim before from numerous places, but they all refer > >> to Tom's Hardware Guide. > > > > I did? > > Indirectly. You didn't name any source that didn't refer directly or > indirectly to them. I mentioned Intel. Do they? > >> I have a TX board (IWill P55XB2) with 96 MB and something on the board > >> which looks like a tag RAM, but haven't got round to measuring it (or > >> even finding something I can measure with). > > > > What makes it "look like a tag RAM"? > > It's long, thin, black, has legs, and is near the cache chips. Sure, > it could be lots of other things, but I wasn't able to locate the part > number. That sounds like a crossover from the discussion yesterday. Does it have a coloured stripe? 8) > > I would recommend Intel's website and the datasheets for the 430TX > > chipset. > > URL? Yes, I know I'm lazy. But I have other things which I find more > pressing. Scum; Intel have completely rearranged their site; none of my bookmarks work anymore. Try under http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 01:11:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA00787 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:11:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA00770 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28559; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:40:07 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA06699; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:40:07 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980109194006.42229@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:40:06 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard References: <19980109181602.10780@lemis.com> <199801090814.SAA01031@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801090814.SAA01031@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 06:44:42PM +1030 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 06:44:42PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 05:21:15PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >>>> I've seen this claim before from numerous places, but they all refer >>>> to Tom's Hardware Guide. >>> >>> I did? >> >> Indirectly. You didn't name any source that didn't refer directly or >> indirectly to them. > > I mentioned Intel. Do they? No. >>>> I have a TX board (IWill P55XB2) with 96 MB and something on the board >>>> which looks like a tag RAM, but haven't got round to measuring it (or >>>> even finding something I can measure with). >>> >>> What makes it "look like a tag RAM"? >> >> It's long, thin, black, has legs, and is near the cache chips. Sure, >> it could be lots of other things, but I wasn't able to locate the part >> number. > > That sounds like a crossover from the discussion yesterday. Does it > have a coloured stripe? 8) No, it's plain black, and it has more than 8 legs. >>> I would recommend Intel's website and the datasheets for the 430TX >>> chipset. >> >> URL? Yes, I know I'm lazy. But I have other things which I find more >> pressing. > > Scum; Intel have completely rearranged their site; none of my bookmarks > work anymore. > > Try under http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts Ahh. http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts/290559.htm. Extract: The Intel 430TX PCIset (430TX) consists of the 82439TX System Controller (MTXC) and the 82371AB PCI ISA IDE Xcelerator (PIIX4). [...] The MTXC integrates the cache and main memory DRAM control functions and provides bus control to transfers between the CPU, cache, main memory, and the PCI Bus. The second level (L2) cache controller supports a writeback cache policy for cache sizes of 256 Kbytes and 512 Kbytes. I'm downloading the document, and will print it out, but this certainly doesn't sound like Tom's Hardware Guide. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 04:37:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA15233 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:37:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp3.portal.net.au [202.12.71.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA15220 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:37:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00367; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:01:19 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801091231.XAA00367@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: Mike Smith , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:40:06 +1030." <19980109194006.42229@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:01:19 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ahh. http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts/290559.htm. > Extract: > > The Intel 430TX PCIset (430TX) consists of the 82439TX System > Controller (MTXC) and the 82371AB PCI ISA IDE Xcelerator > (PIIX4). [...] The MTXC integrates the cache and main memory DRAM > control functions and provides bus control to transfers between the > CPU, cache, main memory, and the PCI Bus. The second level (L2) > cache controller supports a writeback cache policy for cache sizes > of 256 Kbytes and 512 Kbytes. > > I'm downloading the document, and will print it out, but this > certainly doesn't sound like Tom's Hardware Guide. As is typical, reading the datasheets tends to give better and more believable answers than what is really the computing equivalent of a revhead's magazine. Of course, lightly editorial dreck is easier on the eyes when it comes to reading... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 05:35:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA19902 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:35:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA19878 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 27005 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Jan 1998 13:34:44 +0000 (GMT) To: grog@lemis.com Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:40:06 +1030" References: <19980109194006.42229@lemis.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:34:44 +0100 Message-ID: <27003.884352884@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ahh. http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts/290559.htm. > Extract: > > The Intel 430TX PCIset (430TX) consists of the 82439TX System > Controller (MTXC) and the 82371AB PCI ISA IDE Xcelerator > (PIIX4). [...] The MTXC integrates the cache and main memory DRAM > control functions and provides bus control to transfers between the > CPU, cache, main memory, and the PCI Bus. The second level (L2) > cache controller supports a writeback cache policy for cache sizes > of 256 Kbytes and 512 Kbytes. > > I'm downloading the document, and will print it out, but this > certainly doesn't sound like Tom's Hardware Guide. I have something called "Intel 430TX PCIset: 82439TX System Controller". It states very clearly on the first page: "64 MB DRAM Cacheability"/ Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 07:26:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA09071 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:26:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA09048; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199801091526.HAA09048@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:26:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980109181602.10780@lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Jan 9, 98 06:16:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > What makes it "look like a tag RAM"? > > It's long, thin, black, has legs, and is near the cache chips. Sure, > it could be lots of other things, but I wasn't able to locate the part > number. its speed rating is 15ns or less. its static ram not [A-Z][A-Z]*RAM. its really expensive per megabyte. its density is much lower than other RAM chips. jmb From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 07:32:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA09817 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from ns.tar.com (ns.tar.com [204.95.187.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09807 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:32:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@tar.com) Received: from ppro.tar.com (ppro.tar.com [204.95.187.9]) by ns.tar.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA17368; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:32:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801091532.JAA17368@ns.tar.com> From: "Richard Seaman, Jr." To: "Greg Lehey" , "Mike Smith" Cc: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 09:32:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Richard Seaman, Jr." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:40:06 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >Ahh. http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts/290559.htm. >Extract: > > The Intel 430TX PCIset (430TX) consists of the 82439TX System > Controller (MTXC) and the 82371AB PCI ISA IDE Xcelerator > (PIIX4). [...] The MTXC integrates the cache and main memory DRAM > control functions and provides bus control to transfers between the > CPU, cache, main memory, and the PCI Bus. The second level (L2) > cache controller supports a writeback cache policy for cache sizes > of 256 Kbytes and 512 Kbytes. > >I'm downloading the document, and will print it out, but this >certainly doesn't sound like Tom's Hardware Guide. >From http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts/29055901.pdf, page 46: Cacheability of the entire memory space in first level cache is supported, while only the lower 64 MB of main memory is cacheable in the second level cache. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 07:50:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA12021 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-45.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11992 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:50:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id HAA00879; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:24:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 07:24:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801091524.HAA00879@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: grog@lemis.com CC: mike@smith.net.au, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19980109194006.42229@lemis.com> (message from Greg Lehey on Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:40:06 +1030) Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Ahh. http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts/290559.htm. : * I'm downloading the document, and will print it out, but this * certainly doesn't sound like Tom's Hardware Guide. Spare the trees. It's right there on the first page of the spec sheet (in .pdf): : @ Integrated L2 Cache Controller --- 64-MB DRAM Cacheability : Satoshi From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 12:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09693 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09687 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:35:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rneswold@mcs.net) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (rneswold@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id OAA04674 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:12:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (rneswold@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA21115 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:12:37 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.Mcs.Net: rneswold owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:12:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard M. Neswold" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: K6 Problems... Message-ID: Favorite-OS: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I recently upgraded my system to a K6/166. I booted with /kernel.GENERIC so that I could recompile my kernel with "i586_CPU" defined. The newly compiled kernel only booted as far as the probe messages. No error messages or panics occurred; the system just sat there after probing the hardware. I rebooted to GENERIC again and tried a debugging kernel. It stopped at the same point in the booting process. Hitting the hot key brought me into the debugger. Since I'm a complete novice at using the kernel debugger, this route wasn't too enlightening. I also tried recompiling a new GENERIC kernel (the one I was using was from last October.) The new GENERIC kernel stopped at the same point, too. I've tried compiling kernels with various drivers removed. I've disabled drivers from the visual config editor. Nothing lets a 2.2.5 kernel boot (my working GENERIC kernel is 2.2.2-ish -- maybe even 2.2.1-ish!) Windows95 works an this hardware, as does the old GENERIC kernel. I have a K6 (stepping 9741 (?)), 64MB of SDRAM, Intel-TX chipset. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated! Rich ======================================================================== Richard Neswold | rneswold@mcs.net Home Page 'http://www.mcs.net/~rneswold/' | PGP Key 'finger rneswold@mcs.net' | From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 14:46:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21232 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21216 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01220; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:15:39 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA12185; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:15:39 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980110091539.04276@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:15:39 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LS-120, Riva 128, ASUS motherboard References: <19980109194006.42229@lemis.com> <199801091231.XAA00367@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801091231.XAA00367@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 11:01:19PM +1030 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 11:01:19PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >> Ahh. http://www.intel.com/design/pcisets/datashts/290559.htm. >> Extract: >> >> The Intel 430TX PCIset (430TX) consists of the 82439TX System >> Controller (MTXC) and the 82371AB PCI ISA IDE Xcelerator >> (PIIX4). [...] The MTXC integrates the cache and main memory DRAM >> control functions and provides bus control to transfers between the >> CPU, cache, main memory, and the PCI Bus. The second level (L2) >> cache controller supports a writeback cache policy for cache sizes >> of 256 Kbytes and 512 Kbytes. >> >> I'm downloading the document, and will print it out, but this >> certainly doesn't sound like Tom's Hardware Guide. > > As is typical, reading the datasheets tends to give better and more > believable answers than what is really the computing equivalent of a > revhead's magazine. Of course, lightly editorial dreck is easier on > the eyes when it comes to reading... Well, in fact, it pays to read the web page more carefully. The text I quote is completely correct, but it doesn't say what I assumed. I see that nobody else noticed this either: The second level (L2) cache controller supports a writeback cache policy for cache sizes of 256 Kbytes and 512 Kbytes. *Kilo*bytes. Cache, not cacheable memory space. Of course I read the data sheet, like I said I would. It requires a tag RAM for all cache configurations. It says that there's no L2 cache above 64 MB. It may be that it's possible to work around this, but I'm sure that any mother board which did would advertise the fact. Anybody want to buy a TX motherboard? Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 14:50:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21763 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:50:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21754 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 14:50:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmastrol@Jupiter.Mcs.Net) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (jmastrol@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA12301; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:50:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jmastrol@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id QAA24443; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:50:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980109165044.36291@Mcs.Net> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:50:44 -0600 From: John Mastrolia To: "Richard M. Neswold" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: K6 Problems... Reply-To: jmastrol@mcs.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: ; from Richard M. Neswold on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 02:12:37PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have an Asus p55t2p4 mother board (3.10 rev+ 3.2 volt ready) with a K6/233 running 2.2.5-RELEASE. I upgraded, after FreeBSD was installed, from a P100 and experienced no difficulty booting up the GENERIC kernel. My upgrades included the processor and scsi card. I haven't compiled a custom kernel yet with the K6, but will get back to you if any problems surface. BTW: I don't use windows on this machine at all and it runs just fine :-) -- jmastrol@mcs.net Politically, Fashionably, and Aerodynamically Incorrect. On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 02:12:37PM -0600, Richard M. Neswold wrote: > Hello, > > I recently upgraded my system to a K6/166. I booted with /kernel.GENERIC > so that I could recompile my kernel with "i586_CPU" defined. The newly > compiled kernel only booted as far as the probe messages. No error > messages or panics occurred; the system just sat there after probing the > hardware. > > I rebooted to GENERIC again and tried a debugging kernel. It stopped at > the same point in the booting process. Hitting the hot key brought me into > the debugger. Since I'm a complete novice at using the kernel debugger, > this route wasn't too enlightening. > > I also tried recompiling a new GENERIC kernel (the one I was using was > from last October.) The new GENERIC kernel stopped at the same point, too. > > I've tried compiling kernels with various drivers removed. I've disabled > drivers from the visual config editor. Nothing lets a 2.2.5 kernel boot > (my working GENERIC kernel is 2.2.2-ish -- maybe even 2.2.1-ish!) > > Windows95 works an this hardware, as does the old GENERIC kernel. > > I have a K6 (stepping 9741 (?)), 64MB of SDRAM, Intel-TX chipset. > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated! > > Rich > > ======================================================================== > Richard Neswold | rneswold@mcs.net > Home Page 'http://www.mcs.net/~rneswold/' | > PGP Key 'finger rneswold@mcs.net' | > From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 15:26:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA24875 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:26:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA24858 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:26:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgireyev@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980109232607.25315.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [156.153.255.218] by send1a; Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:26:07 PST Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 15:26:07 -0800 (PST) From: Rudy Gireyev Subject: Re: Bios To: Aaron Lamb Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK then I'm lost! I've never heard of such a problem, so I'm moving the question to -hardware mailing list to see if they can shed some light onto this situation. Rudy ---Aaron Lamb wrote: > > Rudy, > problem with booting. yes > freebsd installed. yes > media. ftp > single disk. scsi > os. only freebsd > > the actual error is "read error" > I've removed the drive which I installed freebsd on and tried it in > another board of the type, same error. I tried using the same drive with > another mother board, different type and different bios, it boots up fine. > > I'm using all new equipment. > > for some reason it doesn't seem to like the phoenix bios. > > ???????????? > > > Aaron Lamb > ------------------------------------------------------ > LinkExchange > Questions/comments ----> admin@linkexchange.com > Sponsorship info ----> sponsors@linkexchange.com > Web Site URL ----> http://www.linkexchange.com > > > On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Rudy Gireyev wrote: > > > ---Aaron Lamb wrote: > > > > > > Rudy, > > > > > > I'm tring to get freebsd runing on an intel board that can handle > > 512 megs > > > of ram with a pentium II. > > > > Aaron this should not be any problem. Quite honestly I was unable to > > pick out what exact problem was it that you had. You mentioned you had > > trouble booting, right? > > Did you get FreeBSD installed? > > What media did you use CDROM, DOS partition, FTP ...? > > Do you have windows95 on this machine. > > How many disk drives? > > Is hard disk SCSI or not? > > > > In case you did get it installed and you do not have windows95, i.e. > > dedicated disk, the install process fails to create a boot.conf on > > your root file system. > > So in order to boot the system, you have to type wd(1,a)/kernel at the > > boot prompt. If you have SCSI disk then you type sd(1,a)/kernel. > > > > > > > > I'm tring to get the Intel 440LX AGPset board to work. > > > Do you have any suggestions to get this to work or another board > > that is > > > the similar to the Intel 440LX AGPset board. > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but is AGP a new display standard or am I way > > off here. > > If it is then FreeBSD wont care because all it does is in text mode. > > If you plan to install Xwindows though then you'll have to find out > > whether they support that standard/board. > > > > > > > > I would like to stay with intel if possible. > > > > > > > > > thanks again. > > > > Of Course. Let me know if this doesn't solve your problem. > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron Lamb > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > LinkExchange > > > Questions/comments ----> admin@linkexchange.com > > > Sponsorship info ----> sponsors@linkexchange.com > > > Web Site URL ----> http://www.linkexchange.com > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Rudy Gireyev wrote: > > > > > > > Is this a dual OS machine? > > > > > > > > Rudy > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Aaron Lamb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I'm installing freebsd on a pent. II 300 mhz 256 megs. of ram > > machine. > > > > > after the install and the first reboot, I get a "read error". > > > > > > > > > > I'm using a Phoenix mother board. Bios 4.0 rel. 6.0 > > > > > board # 4A3NT0x0.86A.0047.P0s > > > > > > > > > > I think the problem is with freebsd not being compatible with this > > > > bios. > > > > > > > > > > Is there any way to get this installed and usable?? > > > > > ???????????? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron Lamb > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > LinkExchange > > > > > Questions/comments ----> admin@linkexchange.com > > > > > Sponsorship info ----> sponsors@linkexchange.com > > > > > Web Site URL ----> http://www.linkexchange.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 16:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA01327 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from george.lbl.gov (george-2.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01313 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.8.8/LBL-ITG) id QAA07060; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:26:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (ITG staff) Message-Id: <199801100026.QAA07060@george.lbl.gov> To: rneswold@Mcs.Net Subject: Re: K6 Problems... Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a K6 (stepping 9741 (?)), 64MB of SDRAM, Intel-TX chipset. > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated! > If you have another CPU (AMD 9744?? or Intel P5), you may try to it on your motherboard and recompile the kernel. I have ASUS TX97 with 5 AMD 9744??[bcd]??? CPUs, and everything works fine. -Jin From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 9 16:54:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA03329 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:54:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03308 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:54:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA11977; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:53:51 -0800 (PST) To: Rudy Gireyev cc: Aaron Lamb , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bios In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:26:07 PST." <19980109232607.25315.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:53:51 -0800 Message-ID: <11973.884393631@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > OK then I'm lost! > > I've never heard of such a problem, so I'm moving the question to > -hardware mailing list to see if they can shed some light onto this > situation. Some Phoenix bioses are indeed broken. I have an older Phoenix bios using laptop with this same problem and I need to use a boot floppy to bring it up. Sorry, that's about all you can do. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 10 19:28:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA02925 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:28:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02909 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:28:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00498; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:12:56 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA19439; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:12:55 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980111121254.53471@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:12:54 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: ITG staff Cc: rneswold@Mcs.Net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: K6 Problems... References: <199801100026.QAA07060@george.lbl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801100026.QAA07060@george.lbl.gov>; from ITG staff on Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 04:26:12PM -0800 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jan 09, 1998 at 04:26:12PM -0800, ITG staff wrote: >> I have a K6 (stepping 9741 (?)), 64MB of SDRAM, Intel-TX chipset. The stepping code includes a letter, which is important. It will be B or C. But the numbers are higher than any stepping code that has the dreaded 32 MB aliasing bug. >> Any help or suggestions would be appreciated! >> > > If you have another CPU (AMD 9744?? What's the difference? > or Intel P5), you may try to it on your motherboard and recompile > the kernel. And it may work. This doesn't help much. > I have ASUS TX97 with 5 AMD 9744??[bcd]??? CPUs, and everything > works fine. I had a few problems when I upgraded to a K6/233: 1. The voltage. Most K6s need 2.8V core voltage, but the K6/233 needs 3.2 or 3.3 V, depending on the chip. It's written on the chip. 2. Overheating. This applies particularly to the /233, which generates about 30W. I did some investigation with a thermometer, and found that the temperature rises sharply with increasing CPU load. Use only the original K6 cooler. Obviously your problem isn't (2), since it doesn't get far enough to overheat, and it always stops in the same place. Check the voltage, and play around with it if you're in doubt. If that doesn't work, try lowering the frequency, and check your motherboard/BIOS settings. Greg