From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 25 11:37:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08398 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:37:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from monk.via.net (monk.via.net [140.174.204.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08383 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@via.net) Received: (from joe@localhost) by monk.via.net (8.6.11/8.6.12) id LAA08737 for hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:26:41 -0800 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:26:41 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199801251926.LAA08737@monk.via.net> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCSI bad block handliong ? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have 3 scsi drives in a CCD array. I'm getting system crashes that I think are related to it. I'm also getting quite a number of error messages from INND about disk writing problems. FSCK reports that it can't read blocks 25081600 - 25081609. How can I make the drive remap these blocks ? Thanks, joe From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 25 17:16:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11151 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:16:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp6.portal.net.au [202.12.71.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11136 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:16:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00549; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:39:01 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801260109.LAA00549@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Joe McGuckin cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI bad block handliong ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:26:41 -0800." <199801251926.LAA08737@monk.via.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:39:01 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I have 3 scsi drives in a CCD array. I'm getting system crashes that I > think are related to it. I'm also getting quite a number of error > messages from INND about disk writing problems. > > FSCK reports that it can't read blocks 25081600 - 25081609. > > How can I make the drive remap these blocks ? See the scsi(8) manpage for instructions on editing the mode page that contains the ARRE/AWRE bits; these need to be set for the drive to automatically reallocate blocks. You may then need to actually write to the blocks before they will be reallocated, which will generally involve using dd to plaster the entire disk (unless you write a program to write to just the offending parts of the raw device). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 25 23:59:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21355 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21350 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA16095; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:56:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801260756.XAA16095@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe McGuckin cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI bad block handliong ? In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 25 Jan 98 11:26:41 -0800. <199801251926.LAA08737@monk.via.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:56:55 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I have 3 scsi drives in a CCD array. I'm getting system crashes that I >think are related to it. I'm also getting quite a number of error >messages from INND about disk writing problems. In the past, when I had a machine that would start to report a lot of disk unhappiness, it turned out that the cable had worked itself loose. Make very sure all your cabling is correct, and tight, and that your termination is correct on all devices. >FSCK reports that it can't read blocks 25081600 - 25081609. >How can I make the drive remap these blocks ? SCSI drives are supposed to remap their own bad blocks. However, if the lossage is between the drive and the controller (as noted above), this isn't going to happen. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 08:39:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11591 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:39:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11579 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:39:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21681 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199801261639.IAA21681@austin.polstra.com> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI bad block handliong ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="===_0_Mon_Jan_26_08:38:13_PST_1998" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:39:02 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multipart MIME message. --===_0_Mon_Jan_26_08:38:13_PST_1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike Smith wrote: > You may then need to actually write to the blocks before they will > be reallocated, which will generally involve using dd to plaster > the entire disk (unless you write a program to write to just the > offending parts of the raw device). Attached is a quickie program I wrote a while ago for just this purpose. It first reads the block and saves its original contents, both in memory and in a file on disk. Then it bashes the block on disk with several fixed patterns and then several random patterns, trying to provoke a write error and force the disk to remap the block. Finally, it restores the block from its original data. It has worked well for me to get a few troublesome blocks remapped. Also, it has the nice property that it won't remap a block that just isn't bad. As I mentioned, it was a quickie, so don't expect a software engineering marvel. In particular, the block number is hard coded into main(). :-O The fix for that is left as an exercise for the reader. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth --===_0_Mon_Jan_26_08:38:13_PST_1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: sdfix.c #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include struct pattern { size_t len; char *pat; }; #define PAT(s) { sizeof(s) - 1, (s) } static struct pattern patterns[] = { PAT("\xaa"), PAT("\x55"), PAT("\xcc"), PAT("\x33"), PAT("\xf0"), PAT("\x0f"), PAT("\xff\x00"), PAT("\x00\xff") }; #define NUMPATTERNS (sizeof patterns / sizeof patterns[0]) #define NUMRANDOM (10) #define BLOCKSIZE (512) extern void err(int, const char *, ...) __attribute__ ((format(printf, 2, 3))); extern void errx(int, const char *, ...) __attribute__ ((format(printf, 2, 3))); extern void warn(const char *, ...) __attribute__ ((format(printf, 1, 2))); extern void warnx(const char *, ...) __attribute__ ((format(printf, 1, 2))); static int bash(const char *devname, daddr_t block); static int getblock(int fd, daddr_t block, void *buf); static int putblock(int fd, daddr_t block, const void *buf); static void saveblock(const char *devname, daddr_t block, const void *buf); static int trypat(int fd, daddr_t block, const struct pattern *pat); int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { const char *devname = "/dev/rsd0"; daddr_t block = 0x1efc7; int status; status = bash(devname, block); return status == 0 ? EXIT_SUCCESS : EXIT_FAILURE; } static int bash(const char *devname, daddr_t block) { int fd; char orig_data[BLOCKSIZE]; int i; int status; time_t t; union { long l; char c[sizeof(long)]; } randata; struct pattern ranpat; if ((fd = open(devname, O_RDWR, 0)) == -1) err(1, "Cannot open %s", devname); printf("Reading the original data\n"); if (getblock(fd, block, orig_data) == -1) return -1; saveblock(devname, block, orig_data); printf("Trying fixed patterns\n"); for (i = 0, status = 0; i < NUMPATTERNS && status == 0; i++) if (trypat(fd, block, &patterns[i]) == -1) status = -1; printf("Trying random patterns\n"); time(&t); srandom(t); for (i = 0; i < NUMRANDOM && status == 0; i++) { randata.l = random(); ranpat.len = sizeof(long); ranpat.pat = randata.c; if (trypat(fd, block, &ranpat) == -1) status = -1; } printf("Restoring the original data\n"); if (putblock(fd, block, orig_data) == -1) status = -1; printf("Done\n"); close(fd); return status; } static int getblock(int fd, daddr_t block, void *buf) { ssize_t n; if (lseek(fd, (off_t)block * BLOCKSIZE, SEEK_SET) == -1) { warn("Cannot lseek to block %d", block); return -1; } if ((n = read(fd, buf, BLOCKSIZE)) != BLOCKSIZE) { if (n == -1) warn("Cannot read block %d", block); else if (n == 0) warnx("Unexpected EOF for block %d", block); else warnx("Short read of block %d: got %d", block, n); return -1; } return 0; } static int putblock(int fd, daddr_t block, const void *buf) { ssize_t n; if (lseek(fd, (off_t)block * BLOCKSIZE, SEEK_SET) == -1) { warn("Cannot lseek to block %d", block); return -1; } if ((n = write(fd, buf, BLOCKSIZE)) != BLOCKSIZE) { if (n == -1) warn("Cannot write block %d", block); else warnx("Short write of block %d: got %d", block, n); return -1; } return 0; } static void saveblock(const char *devname, daddr_t block, const void *buf) { char *shortdev; char *savename; int fd; if ((shortdev = strrchr(devname, '/')) == NULL) errx(1, "Strange device name %s", devname); shortdev++; if (asprintf(&savename, "%s.%#x", shortdev, block) == -1) errx(1, "Out of memory"); if ((fd = open(savename, O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666)) == -1) err(1, "Cannot create %s", savename); printf("Saving original data to %s\n", savename); if (write(fd, buf, BLOCKSIZE) != BLOCKSIZE) err(1, "Cannot write to %s", savename); if (fsync(fd) == -1) err(1, "Cannot fsync %s", savename); if (close(fd) == -1) err(1, "Close failed on %s", savename); free(savename); } /* * Returns 0 on success, -1 on error. */ static int trypat(int fd, daddr_t block, const struct pattern *pat) { char patbuf[BLOCKSIZE]; char *p; int i; printf("Trying pattern:"); for (i = 0; i < pat->len; i++) printf(" %02x", (unsigned char)pat->pat[i]); printf("\n"); for (p = patbuf; p < patbuf + BLOCKSIZE; ) for (i = 0; i < pat->len && p < patbuf + BLOCKSIZE; i++) *p++ = pat->pat[i]; if (putblock(fd, block, patbuf) == -1) return -1; if (getblock(fd, block, patbuf) == -1) return -1; return 0; } --===_0_Mon_Jan_26_08:38:13_PST_1998-- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 09:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14990 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14982 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:00:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19688; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd019685; Mon Jan 26 08:52:38 1998 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:49:12 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: John Polstra cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI bad block handling? In-Reply-To: <199801261639.IAA21681@austin.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The disk driver has an ioctl to force a remap. it's commented out only because I didn't know where to put the ioctl definition. we use it at TFS so it works. On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, John Polstra wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > > > You may then need to actually write to the blocks before they will > > be reallocated, which will generally involve using dd to plaster > > the entire disk (unless you write a program to write to just the > > offending parts of the raw device). > > Attached is a quickie program I wrote a while ago for just this > purpose. It first reads the block and saves its original contents, > both in memory and in a file on disk. Then it bashes the block on > disk with several fixed patterns and then several random patterns, > trying to provoke a write error and force the disk to remap the block. > Finally, it restores the block from its original data. It has worked > well for me to get a few troublesome blocks remapped. Also, it has > the nice property that it won't remap a block that just isn't bad. > > As I mentioned, it was a quickie, so don't expect a software > engineering marvel. In particular, the block number is hard coded > into main(). :-O The fix for that is left as an exercise for the > reader. > > John > -- > John Polstra jdp@polstra.com > John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA > "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 09:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22566 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:40:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from seera.nttlabs.com (seera.nttlabs.com [204.162.36.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22410; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gene@nttlabs.com) Received: from nttlabs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by seera.nttlabs.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28495; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:39:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34CCCA5B.7B5AA8FD@nttlabs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:39:39 -0800 From: "Eugene M. Kim" Organization: NTT Multimedia Communications Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hardware FreeBSD ML CC: Current FreeBSD ML , "Eugene M. Kim" Subject: Re: ie0 and EE16 References: <199801201816.MAA24372@compound.east.sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Tony Kimball wrote: > > Just FYI, the ie driver consistently fails for me after several days > of use, with an EE16 card. The mode: network activity stops (by the > hub light); no messages are logged; ping returns "sendto: no buffer > space available"; 'ifconfig ie0 down; ifconfig ie0 up' causes ping > to stop reporting errors, but no network activity occurs until reboot. > > Strangely, I've never seen this effect with NFS traffic, only with X, > and specific applications seem to trigger it: Acroread, or netscape, > for example, but not ghostview. My 3COM 3C509-TP ISA card (ep) does, too. The network activity on ep0 stops almost invariably when I use Netscape on another Win95 PC and try to download something big which imposes a load on the network continuously. It also stops when using Acroread. The symptom is exactly the same as Mr. Kimball's one, that is, some programs including ping report that there is no buffer space available, and also ifconfig ep0 shows that OACTIVE attribute is set on the interface; does this ring a bell to anyone? I CC'ed this message to FreeBSD-current mailing list because I had not seen this problem until the world was rebuilt with a recent -current source tree. This problem was first seen about a week ago. Hope this helped and thanks much, Gene -- Eugene M. Kim Software Developer NTT Multimedia Communications Laboratories mailto:gene@nttlabs.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 18:27:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17153 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:27:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baste.magibox.net (root@baste.magibox.net [206.26.142.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17128 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhorton@magibox.net) Received: from project_pc by baste.magibox.net with SMTP (8.8.7/1.2-eef) id CAA24472; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:26:42 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980126202634.00972d40@magibox.net> X-Sender: mhorton@magibox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:26:34 -0600 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Michael Horton Subject: What is a good modem? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy! I am building a FreeBSD box at home and would like to have an external modem to connect with my ISP and work. What's a good external modem to use with FreeBSD? >From the past posts that I have been able to read, the USR Courier seems to be the most mentioned as a good choice. Are there any other? If you have a modem working with FreeBSD, would you let me know please. Thank you! Michael mhorton@magibox.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 20:43:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02097 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:43:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (root@m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA02042 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:43:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kb8rjy@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: (from kb8rjy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) id XAA02485; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:10:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:10:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Shaun Q." Message-Id: <199801270410.XAA02485@m-net.arbornet.org> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mhorton@magibox.net Subject: Re: What is a good modem? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org my personal recommendation would be the usr sportster or courier x2 modem. This is what I use on a machine running fbsd at work later shaun From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 21:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07613 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA07607 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xx3EK-0007GR-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:06:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:06:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "Shaun Q." cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mhorton@magibox.net Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: <199801270410.XAA02485@m-net.arbornet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Shaun Q. wrote: > my personal recommendation would be the usr sportster or courier x2 modem. This is what I use on a machine running fbsd at work Ugh, not X2. It is doomed anyhow... A Zoom K56Flex is highly rated lately. Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 21:30:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09432 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA09351 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:30:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id TAA11531; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:30:16 -1000 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:30:16 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199801270530.TAA11531@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Tom "Re: What is a good modem?" (Jan 26, 9:06pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } } > my personal recommendation would be the usr sportster or courier x2 modem. This is what I use on a machine running fbsd at work } } Ugh, not X2. It is doomed anyhow... } } A Zoom K56Flex is highly rated lately. } :-( By whom? From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 21:47:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12811 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:47:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12806 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA18243; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:47:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA03954; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:47:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:47:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199801270547.WAA03954@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Michael Horton Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980126202634.00972d40@magibox.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19980126202634.00972d40@magibox.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am building a FreeBSD box at home and would like to have an external > modem to connect with my ISP and work. > > What's a good external modem to use with FreeBSD? We've been using Sportster's with *very* good success for full-time connections to our office in MT. These modems have been in use for ~3 years solid with only 2 glitches (during 2 separate storms in a 2 week period both my boss and I lost our modems at home, although the work modems were protected through modem surge protectors). Other than that, we have been pretty happy with them, and although they don't support most of the fancy features of the USR Couriers when doing Sportster <-> Sportster connections they work fabulous. At one point I had a 105 day connection to the office from my apartment that I *hated* to shutdown when I moved into my house. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 21:48:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12870 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:48:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from u3.farm.idt.net (root@u3.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12862 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:48:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garycorc@idt.net) Received: from idt.net (ppp-57.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.57]) by u3.farm.idt.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04978; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:47:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34CD749F.A2881F7D@idt.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:46:07 -0500 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Horton CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? References: <3.0.3.32.19980126202634.00972d40@magibox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Horton wrote: > What's a good external modem to use with FreeBSD? > If you have a modem working with FreeBSD, would you let me know please. I've been using an external Diamond/Supra (SupraExpress) modem with FreeBSD to dial up my ISP and have not had any problems with it. I'm not saying that it's "better" than other modems, just that it seems to work fine. Concerning Zoom modems which another poster mentioned: I don't know if they've improved in recent years, but in the past Zoom modems were always cheaper - and you got what you paid for - worse performance in comparison tests - so they at least used to be a brand I (personally) would avoid... Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 21:50:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13469 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:50:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA13461 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xx3eg-0007Hh-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:50 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Richard Foulk cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: <199801270530.TAA11531@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Richard Foulk wrote: > } > my personal recommendation would be the usr sportster or courier x2 modem. This is what I use on a machine running fbsd at work > } > } Ugh, not X2. It is doomed anyhow... > } > } A Zoom K56Flex is highly rated lately. > } > > :-( > > By whom? Several magazine articles around have rated it very high. Search web for copies. Have you actually used one? I work on modems all day, anything X2 is nothing to write home about. The Motorola's ModemSurfers aren't too bad, but have some retrain problems that can cause hesistation. The Courier and Sportster (I use both for testing) are pretty good for 33.6k, but the Sportster tends to degrade electronically too easily. I use Couriers for dedicated FAX lines, which work well. If your ISP uses Ascend or Livingston network access servers, definitely go for Zoom K56Flex for Internet access. I hate X2 because it forces you to use USR (now rebadged as 3COM) equipment, and boy do USR TC chassis suck. You have _no_ choice at all. Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 21:56:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14570 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA14555 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xx3kN-0007I5-00; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:39:43 -0800 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "Gary T. Corcoran" cc: Michael Horton , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: <34CD749F.A2881F7D@idt.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > What's a good external modem to use with FreeBSD? > > If you have a modem working with FreeBSD, would you let me know please. > > I've been using an external Diamond/Supra (SupraExpress) modem with FreeBSD ... > Concerning Zoom modems which another poster mentioned: I don't know if > they've improved in recent years, but in the past Zoom modems were always > cheaper - and you got what you paid for - worse performance in comparison > tests - so they at least used to be a brand I (personally) would avoid... Zoom modems have changed a lot. Chances are they are using the same chipset as the new Supras. Basically all the K56Flex capable modems use either the Rockwell chipset or the Lucent chipset. Supra also use to (still does?) make two lines of modems. A low end that was not software upgradable, and a high end that software upgradable (flash). Software upgradable modems are very nice. > Gary Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 22:28:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19142 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18879 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA06937 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:27:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Tom wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Shaun Q. wrote: > > > my personal recommendation would be the usr sportster or courier x2 modem. This is what I use on a machine running fbsd at work > > Ugh, not X2. It is doomed anyhow... Say what??? Just flash the rom when the 56k standard is finalized. > A Zoom K56Flex is highly rated lately. Same as above, if it is possible on a Zoom. I've owned or managed probably a dozen brands of modems and the only way I'll give up my Courier is when it is pryed from my cold dead fingers. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 26 23:06:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25727 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25722 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:06:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by fanfic.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA15960; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:05:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:05:48 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Tenn To: jack cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, jack wrote: | On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Tom wrote: | | > On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Shaun Q. wrote: | > | > > my personal recommendation would be the usr sportster or courier x2 modem. This is what I use on a machine running fbsd at work | > | > Ugh, not X2. It is doomed anyhow... | | Say what??? Just flash the rom when the 56k standard is finalized. | | > A Zoom K56Flex is highly rated lately. | | Same as above, if it is possible on a Zoom. | | I've owned or managed probably a dozen brands of modems and the only way | I'll give up my Courier is when it is pryed from my cold dead fingers. :) Let this issue die. I'll go as far as saying that if you have a modem that connects with your ISP (whom is the best people to as since they'll have dealt with numerous modem problems already) then stick with it. Make sure you use the same INIT string that you currently use, and if the modem is one recommended by your ISP ask them what the recommended INIT string is. I've worked in the support dept for many ISPs and each had problems with different modems. Some with USR's, some with IBM modems, etc.. You get the picture. As long as the modem does not have any hardware defects/faults and is recommended by your ISP then it should work. Enough said. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested * Stand tall and rise to the occasion * For only then will you grow strong. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 02:25:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25088 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:25:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25080 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:25:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Received: from control (206-18-115-37.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.37]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with SMTP id CAA29392; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:23:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001601bd2b0e$0cf10320$013ca0c0@control> From: "Donald Burr" To: , "Michael Horton" Subject: Re: What is a good modem? Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:26:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA-1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD2ACA.FD8EDA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD2ACA.FD8EDA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had very good success with USR Sportsters. I've used both internal = and external models on machines that are usuaully up a good portion of = the day, if not 24/7, and haven't had a single crash or error. Avoid = the USR clones, like the one made by TI, even CArdinal, etc. I tend not = to trust them as much as "the real McCoy." They work great as dial-in modems, as dial-out modems (using pppd and/or = iij-ppp), and as FAX modems (I use HylaFax). Configuration is pretty = much "out of the box." --=20 Donald Burr Email: dburr@POBoxes.com Web: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ -----Original Message----- From: Michael Horton To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 6:28 PM Subject: What is a good modem? >What's a good external modem to use with FreeBSD? ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD2ACA.FD8EDA80 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII0DCCAj0w ggGmAhEA89Rlkw7kxx7NbwoREVZYszANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQIFADBfMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEXMBUG A1UEChMOVmVyaVNpZ24sIEluYy4xNzA1BgNVBAsTLkNsYXNzIDEgUHVibGljIFByaW1hcnkgQ2Vy dGlmaWNhdGlvbiBBdXRob3JpdHkwHhcNOTYwMTI5MDAwMDAwWhcNMDQwMTA3MjM1OTU5WjBfMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJVUzEXMBUGA1UEChMOVmVyaVNpZ24sIEluYy4xNzA1BgNVBAsTLkNsYXNzIDEgUHVi bGljIFByaW1hcnkgQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBBdXRob3JpdHkwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0A MIGJAoGBAOUZv22jVmEtmUhx9mfeuY3rt56GgAqRDvo4Ja9GiILlc6igmyRdDR/MZW4MsNBWhBiH mgabEKFz37RYOWtuwfYV1aioP6oSBo0xrH+wNNePNGeICc0UEeJORVZpH3gCgNrcR5EpuzbJY1zF 4Ncth3uhtzKwezC6Ki8xqu6jZ9rbAgMBAAEwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQECBQADgYEAI8hmbFWfUmFqrxcd 4rPPR45MGwIzdflF75tHsbEroDU20VJwacm7pfOTW5Jg+WR+8cE/6dEV8dLAF72knReu4QfPuoGW xK5xGfbOZL+nGfVVKH98M9bCubfrJSn9KfhicEEx3cMH2xJTFmDQnQf5AGX8jWwYUCC3Z9x+/XBL LQ8wggJ5MIIB4qADAgECAhBSHzUd8nB+ACu+ylmHBNU5MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAgUAMF8xCzAJBgNV BAYTAlVTMRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjE3MDUGA1UECxMuQ2xhc3MgMSBQdWJsaWMg UHJpbWFyeSBDZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eTAeFw05NjA2MjcwMDAwMDBaFw05OTA2Mjcy MzU5NTlaMGIxETAPBgNVBAcTCEludGVybmV0MRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjE0MDIG A1UECxMrVmVyaVNpZ24gQ2xhc3MgMSBDQSAtIEluZGl2aWR1YWwgU3Vic2NyaWJlcjCBnzANBgkq hkiG9w0BAQEFAAOBjQAwgYkCgYEAthSmz03QBQ3YyiPQb6q0KZJjjiz4b5bXLp12SxGxNo1XycP9 HMa6/h4IujPKleq+41vNBqi3eR1EKu1z8rFSg2gQcGSR1z5r+fddnRRDm26XRZiBR9Ety927ctdM P3Gq4kDyVDm8Fu7PfOy62z9sKrMWsYYSna6TNNW41dD3PqkCAwEAAaMzMDEwDwYDVR0TBAgwBgEB /wIBATALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgEGMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAgUAA4GBAMH6 9wLnV8oRdcacDPord0+HRRc749LB2g9YOY6ulZkDoaihOP55mpMXC5eGOcfKaDRmu8eIRfbIDAXu vpcl7+DUbuR/nXZczn26FKKuC5/7Z1tIpWclrxlkiPZy2CknqjcSarEoryeDGGVsje1Ank3EeKiG 7OksUL+m+Q3bsKZKMIIEDjCCA3egAwIBAgIQfDQ622MVXUnVqySwgiKkQDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQF ADBiMREwDwYDVQQHEwhJbnRlcm5ldDEXMBUGA1UEChMOVmVyaVNpZ24sIEluYy4xNDAyBgNVBAsT K1ZlcmlTaWduIENsYXNzIDEgQ0EgLSBJbmRpdmlkdWFsIFN1YnNjcmliZXIwHhcNOTgwMTE3MDAw MDAwWhcNOTgwMzE4MjM1OTU5WjCCAQsxETAPBgNVBAcTCEludGVybmV0MRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJp U2lnbiwgSW5jLjE0MDIGA1UECxMrVmVyaVNpZ24gQ2xhc3MgMSBDQSAtIEluZGl2aWR1YWwgU3Vi c2NyaWJlcjFGMEQGA1UECxM9d3d3LnZlcmlzaWduLmNvbS9yZXBvc2l0b3J5L0NQUyBJbmNvcnAu IGJ5IFJlZi4sTElBQi5MVEQoYyk5NjEnMCUGA1UECxMeRGlnaXRhbCBJRCBDbGFzcyAxIC0gTWlj cm9zb2Z0MRQwEgYDVQQDEwtEb25hbGQgQnVycjEgMB4GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYRZGJ1cnJAcG9ib3hl cy5jb20wWzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAANKADBHAkBRkEIYZdBH9nxpm2lrRn1HHYoNpwiYCl2KxjoQ Rs7z56+ypTkZkBj4siHzR1B4RTlSwNYWwPwXhFHUMsLeampdAgMBAAGjggFdMIIBWTAJBgNVHRME AjAAMIGvBgNVHSAEgacwgDCABgtghkgBhvhFAQcBATCAMCgGCCsGAQUFBwIBFhxodHRwczovL3d3 dy52ZXJpc2lnbi5jb20vQ1BTMGIGCCsGAQUFBwICMFYwFRYOVmVyaVNpZ24sIEluYy4wAwIBARo9 VmVyaVNpZ24ncyBDUFMgaW5jb3JwLiBieSByZWZlcmVuY2UgbGlhYi4gbHRkLiAoYyk5NyBWZXJp U2lnbgAAAAAAADARBglghkgBhvhCAQEEBAMCB4AwgYYGCmCGSAGG+EUBBgMEeBZ2ZDQ2NTJiZDYz ZjIwNDcwMjkyOTg3NjNjOWQyZjI3NTA2OWM3MzU5YmVkMWIwNTlkYTc1YmM0YmM5NzAxNzQ3ZGE1 ZDNmMjE0MWJlYWRiMmJkMmU4OTIxZmFlNmFmMWQ2MTE0OTk4YTFiZjQzZjRlNDk1NjU0MTANBgkq hkiG9w0BAQQFAAOBgQCVCeiousiNI78jWPquhXRGD0bhIeTXKGd2+DIxPYGxwrXCbhJnNF9A1Pqf tzTG+3QERIc9CbAtPTpFyEAucDTp6Bd1S0ZHtT6nuVyNs61S5/cx6NuWzpv4pxSfOS3Y9yJRkO2l I1Pc+kMzT0fBSnBLMC8hNTVb+ej+yGhED+5/PDGCAWQwggFgAgEBMHYwYjERMA8GA1UEBxMISW50 ZXJuZXQxFzAVBgNVBAoTDlZlcmlTaWduLCBJbmMuMTQwMgYDVQQLEytWZXJpU2lnbiBDbGFzcyAx IENBIC0gSW5kaXZpZHVhbCBTdWJzY3JpYmVyAhB8NDrbYxVdSdWrJLCCIqRAMAkGBSsOAwIaBQCg gYYwGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNOTgwMTI3MDIyNjM0 WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU9SlUDVgnHKTMIlplorfBstPF1WkwJwYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMRowGDAN BggqhkiG9w0DAgIBKDAHBgUrDgMCHTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAARAB6N0ZVKEknuLEAcKm41FL7Uj XKGPar0/Dg+B9+HENx0v02O1nD9gdMkHWknT+o+VzB9tweo+iQ4UvHgl/7A1mwAAAAAAAA== ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BD2ACA.FD8EDA80-- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 02:40:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA26452 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:40:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.gu.net (beast.gu.net [194.93.190.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA26338 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:39:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.gu.kiev.ua [127.0.0.1]) by beast.gu.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA06363; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:38:58 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:38:58 +0200 (EET) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: "Shaun Q." cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, mhorton@magibox.net Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: <199801270410.XAA02485@m-net.arbornet.org> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Shaun Q. wrote: > my personal recommendation would be the usr sportster or courier x2 modem. This is what I use on a machine running fbsd at work Ukrainian telephony _is_ bad, so not every modem works here. Bad ones certainly doesn't. :) From this experience: I don't like Sportsters, I hate Multitech, and I'd suggest going with Motorola Premier or USR Courier. > > later > shaun > Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 09:42:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26412 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:42:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bofh.shmooze.net (markjr@bofh.shmOOze.net [207.164.115.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26395; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:42:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markjr@bofh.shmooze.net) Received: (from markjr@localhost) by bofh.shmooze.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) id MAA02263; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:25:54 -0500 (EST) Organization: Private World Communications From: Stunt Pope To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: support for HP SureStore DAT8 Tape Drives? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone I know has ordered an HP SureStore DAT8 external tape drive for backup purposes on a few FreeBSD 2.2.2 boxes he's setting up. Since I'll be the guy hooking it up I thought I'd ask a couple questions: First off, does FreeBSD support these drives? (that's kind of important) and if so: Looking at the HP datasheet (www.hp.com/tape/datasheets/dat8.html) we have: C1529H HP SureStore DAT8e - 8 GB* external DAT drive for PC C1552B HP SureStore DAT8eU - 8 GB* external DAT drive for UNIX He ordered the C1529H/DAT8e (PC version). I'm wondering how much of a diff there is between that and the C1552B/DAT8eU (Unix version). Last HP drive I used (can't remember which) it was simply a matter of setting the jumpers differently. Is there more of a difference with this model (i.e. there's no way we'll get the DAT8e to work) and therefore the guy should change his order? While we're on the topic I've also heard that DDS-2 dat tapes have a very *short* lifespan, i.e. write to them half a dozen times and you may as well throw them out. Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks. -regards, markjr Please cc via email, as I only sub to the freebsd isp and security lists. Thanks again. --- Mark Jeftovic aka: mark jeff or vic, stunt pope. markjr@shmOOze.net http://www.shmOOze.net/~markjr PWC's BOFH http://www.PrivateWorld.com irc: L-bOMb Keep `em Guessing From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 10:10:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02938 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02856 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:09:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxFCG-0007lB-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:53:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:53:15 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: jack cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, jack wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Tom wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Shaun Q. wrote: > > > > > my personal recommendation would be the usr sportster or courier x2 modem. This is what I use on a machine running fbsd at work > > > > Ugh, not X2. It is doomed anyhow... > > Say what??? Just flash the rom when the 56k standard is finalized. Sportsters are not flashable, only Couriers. It is hoped that most Couriers will be flashable to ITU. That might be a problem. K56Flex modems are capable of auto-leveling to reach a max of 56k, but X2 modems put out too high levels so are limited to 53k. This seems to be limitation of the DSP on some of the Couriers and USR TC modems. USR designed X2 to support as many USR modems as possible. I don't know if the ITU will be as forgiving. > > A Zoom K56Flex is highly rated lately. > > Same as above, if it is possible on a Zoom. Sure is. Basically all K56Flex modems are flashable. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst > jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. > Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. > PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD > enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 11:23:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17246 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:23:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kilgour.nething.com (kilgour.nething.com [204.253.210.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17200 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:23:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rberndt@nething.com) Received: from randy.nething.com (randy.nething.com [204.253.210.83]) by kilgour.nething.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA22636; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 07:22:50 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980127132320.008543b0@nething.com> X-Sender: rberndt@nething.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:23:20 -0600 To: Tom From: Randy Berndt Subject: Re: What is a good modem? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good morning, Tom. Remember, he is talking about buying a >> new << modem. At 09:53 AM 1/27/98 -0800, Tom wrote: >Sportsters are not flashable, only Couriers. Wrong. Older sportsters (from several years ago) are not flashable. Newer ones are. >It is hoped that most Couriers will be flashable to ITU. That might be a problem. Older couriers (way older) may have problems. Newer ones are all flashable. >K56Flex modems are capable of auto-leveling to reach a max of 56k, but X2 >modems put out too high levels so are limited to 53k. This seems to be >limitation of the DSP on some of the Couriers and USR TC modems. USR >designed X2 to support as many USR modems as possible. I don't know if >the ITU will be as forgiving. Can't comment on the 56 vs 53 part. My personal opinion is that it won't matter, since you will probably never get above 45-48 with real-world phone lines. > Sure is. Basically all K56Flex modems are flashable. Not necessarily, depends on chip implementation. Remember, USR and Lucent have jumped on the ITU spec. Rockwell is nowhere to be seen. X2 vs flex argument becomes meaningless when the official spec is out. Basic Advice For Buyers: READ THE BOX! Make sure the modem is flashable, and the manufacturer guarantees a FREE upgrade to the spec when available. I agree with one of the other posters. You can have my Courier when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Sportsters, on the other hand ..... (pardon the pun). Randy Berndt ---------------------------------- AOS/VS, Win95, FreeBSD, WinNT, DOS, Win311: I'm caught in a twisty little maze of operating systems, all different. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 12:12:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29263 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29233 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id JAA20317; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:11:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980127200932.0209f0b8@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:09:32 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kedar Subject: Serial I/O. Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am trying to locate a motherboard that is capable of the following. Would you know of any? Any pointers? Know of any workarounds, please? > **************************************************************** > 1) No video card required. > > 2) The BIOS wakes up on the serial port and uses it for all > communications. > > 3) The BIOS serial communications should require no fancy communications > protocols, ie. we should be able to use a dumb terminal. > > 4) All (or at least the basic) BIOS setup functions should be available. > > 5) Sending a BREAK (or perhaps a special character/escape sequence) should > provide the same function as Ctrl-Alt-Del normally does (before, during, > and after boot, if possible). > > 6) Access to the Unix boot loader through the serial port should also be > available after the BIOS loads it. This is needed to provide options to > the kernel (eg. single user mode, device configuration mode, etc.) > ****************************************************************** TIA, Kedar. Season's Greetings, Kedar Rajadnya _\\|//_ (-0-0-) -----------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------------------------- This message is being sent via recycled electrons. We sell specialized systems and networking stuff. Want some? Tel:(408)232-5999 ext201 E-mail: Thus quothe a gentleman on CBS's "60 MINUTES": "How can I ask the Universe "why me?!" for the bad patches when I did not for the good ones?" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- || || ooO Ooo From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 12:46:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05945 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:46:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05804 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:46:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@persprog.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id PAA19735; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:34:47 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019730; Tue Jan 27 15:34:26 1998 Message-ID: <34CE44BF.380B975B@persprog.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:34:07 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom wrote: > Sportsters are not flashable, only Couriers. It is hoped that most > Couriers will be flashable to ITU. That might be a problem. K56Flex > modems are capable of auto-leveling to reach a max of 56k, but X2 modems > put out too high levels so are limited to 53k. This seems to be > limitation of the DSP on some of the Couriers and USR TC modems. USR > designed X2 to support as many USR modems as possible. I don't know if > the ITU will be as forgiving. My internal 56K Sportster appears to have a big flash ROM on it. It was part of a Dell Dimension. BTW. I think 56Kflex is the way to go (I got the Sportster as part of a package). From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 13:52:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20294 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20259 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:52:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxIfX-0000AN-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:35:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:35:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Randy Berndt cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980127132320.008543b0@nething.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Randy Berndt wrote: > Good morning, Tom. > > Remember, he is talking about buying a >> new << modem. > > At 09:53 AM 1/27/98 -0800, Tom wrote: > >Sportsters are not flashable, only Couriers. > > Wrong. Older sportsters (from several years ago) are not flashable. Newer > ones are. I don't know about that. I can still get the old style modems from every retailer I checked, though I've never bought a modem retail... Unlesss you are talking about the Winmodem... > >It is hoped that most Couriers will be flashable to ITU. That might be a > problem. > > Older couriers (way older) may have problems. Newer ones are all flashable. > > >K56Flex modems are capable of auto-leveling to reach a max of 56k, but X2 > >modems put out too high levels so are limited to 53k. This seems to be > >limitation of the DSP on some of the Couriers and USR TC modems. USR > >designed X2 to support as many USR modems as possible. I don't know if > >the ITU will be as forgiving. > > Can't comment on the 56 vs 53 part. My personal opinion is that it won't > matter, since you will probably never get above 45-48 with real-world phone > lines. Employee that works here gets 52K with his Motorola Modemsurfer 56k. > > Sure is. Basically all K56Flex modems are flashable. > > Not necessarily, depends on chip implementation. Zoom, Hayes, Supra/Diamond, and Motorola 56k modems are all flashable. > Remember, USR and Lucent have jumped on the ITU spec. Rockwell is nowhere > to be seen. X2 vs flex argument becomes meaningless when the official spec > is out. Huh? Rockwell and Lucent have merged their 56k development (not quite, Rockwell simply ditched K56Plus for V.Flex2). Rockwell still makes their own chipsets, but they are speced to the Lucent standard. > Basic Advice For Buyers: READ THE BOX! Make sure the modem is flashable, > and the manufacturer guarantees a FREE upgrade to the spec when available. > > I agree with one of the other posters. You can have my Courier when you pry > it from my cold, dead fingers. Sportsters, on the other hand ..... (pardon > the pun). > > Randy Berndt > ---------------------------------- > AOS/VS, Win95, FreeBSD, WinNT, DOS, Win311: > I'm caught in a twisty little maze of operating systems, all different. > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 14:00:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22206 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:00:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22078 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:00:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxImw-0000An-00; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:43:22 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:43:21 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Kedar cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial I/O. In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980127200932.0209f0b8@gw1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Kedar wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to locate a motherboard that is capable of the > following. Would you know of any? Any pointers? > > Know of any workarounds, please? > > > **************************************************************** > > 1) No video card required. Many do this. They produce an error or beep, but you can continue booting. > > 2) The BIOS wakes up on the serial port and uses it for all > > communications. > > > > 3) The BIOS serial communications should require no fancy communications > > protocols, ie. we should be able to use a dumb terminal. > > > > > > 4) All (or at least the basic) BIOS setup functions should be available. I'm not aware of any motherboard that can do #2, #3, and #4. > > 5) Sending a BREAK (or perhaps a special character/escape sequence) should > > provide the same function as Ctrl-Alt-Del normally does (before, during, > > and after boot, if possible). > > > > 6) Access to the Unix boot loader through the serial port should also be > > available after the BIOS loads it. This is needed to provide options to > > the kernel (eg. single user mode, device configuration mode, etc.) FreeBSD COMCONSOLE can do #5 and #6. > > ****************************************************************** > > TIA, > Kedar. > > Season's Greetings, > Kedar Rajadnya Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 14:21:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28152 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:21:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp4.portal.net.au [202.12.71.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28123 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00424; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:43:46 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801272213.IAA00424@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Kedar cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial I/O. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:09:32 -0800." <2.2.32.19980127200932.0209f0b8@gw1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:43:46 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am trying to locate a motherboard that is capable of the > following. Would you know of any? Any pointers? There are some industrial systems that offer this sort of functionality. What other requirements do you have for the system? (CPU, peripherals, etc.?) > > 1) No video card required. Easy. > > 2) The BIOS wakes up on the serial port and uses it for all > > communications. > > 3) The BIOS serial communications should require no fancy communications > > protocols, ie. we should be able to use a dumb terminal. This is quite specialised; depending on what you want to do with the BIOS you might be able to live without this if you set it up right beforehand. > > 5) Sending a BREAK (or perhaps a special character/escape sequence) should > > provide the same function as Ctrl-Alt-Del normally does (before, during, > > and after boot, if possible). That's asking for a lot; it sounds like what you really want is a smart console emulator card. > > 6) Access to the Unix boot loader through the serial port should also be > > available after the BIOS loads it. This is needed to provide options to > > the kernel (eg. single user mode, device configuration mode, etc.) That much is trivial; put "-h" in /boot/config. It's marvellous, I tell you. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 14:48:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04054 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw1.asacomputers.com (root@gw1.asacomputers.com [204.69.220.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04036 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:48:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: by gw1.asacomputers.com id LAA22660; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:35:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980127223315.017e413c@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:33:15 -0800 To: Mike Smith From: Kedar Subject: Re: Serial I/O. Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >There are some industrial systems that offer this sort of >functionality. What other requirements do you have for the system? >(CPU, peripherals, etc.?) P-II (or PPRO). 5/6 PCI. Lots of memory. Rackmount, of course. >> > 3) The BIOS serial communications should require no fancy communications >> > protocols, ie. we should be able to use a dumb terminal. >This is quite specialised; depending on what you want to do with the >BIOS you might be able to live without this if you set it up right >beforehand. O.K. We are thinking of having somebody customize the BIOS for this purpose. Using SBC's. Would rather use regular motherboards. Never done it, don't know how difficult/easy it is. >That's asking for a lot; it sounds like what you really want is a smart >console emulator card. Any specific examples, please? Thanks! :-) Kedar. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 15:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07022 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:12:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lugh.kerris.com (lugh.kerris.com [205.150.35.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06978 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkerr@kerris.com) Received: from localhost (mkerr@localhost) by lugh.kerris.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00448 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:18:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:18:18 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Kerr To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FAQ for this list? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there an FAQ for this list? I have a question that is most likely covered by it should one exist... Mike. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Kerr | http://www.net/~mkerr Kerr Information Systems | http://www.kerris.com/ mkerr@kerris.com | Web Guy, etc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 15:32:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12238 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12086 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.cybercity.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01021; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:14:44 +0100 (CET) To: Kedar cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial I/O. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:33:15 PST." <2.2.32.19980127223315.017e413c@gw1> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:14:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1019.885942884@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <2.2.32.19980127223315.017e413c@gw1>, Kedar writes: >>> > 3) The BIOS serial communications should require no fancy communications >>> > protocols, ie. we should be able to use a dumb terminal. >>This is quite specialised; depending on what you want to do with the >>BIOS you might be able to live without this if you set it up right >>beforehand. > > O.K. We are thinking of having somebody customize the BIOS for this >purpose. Using SBC's. Would rather use regular motherboards. Never done >it, don't know how difficult/easy it is. Actually, why not make an isa card with some dual-port ram at the right addresses so it looks like a videocard (CGA!) and a simple microcontroller driving a RS-232 port to the dumb terminal ? This would work with standard motherboards... (I'll buy one or two if you make them !) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 15:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13205 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:39:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (dbabler@rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13178 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:39:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA20298; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:34:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:34:40 -0800 (PST) From: David Babler To: Tom cc: "Gary T. Corcoran" , Michael Horton , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Tom wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Gary T. Corcoran wrote: > > > > What's a good external modem to use with FreeBSD? > > > If you have a modem working with FreeBSD, would you let me know please. > > > > I've been using an external Diamond/Supra (SupraExpress) modem with FreeBSD > ... > > Concerning Zoom modems which another poster mentioned: I don't know if > > they've improved in recent years, but in the past Zoom modems were always > > cheaper - and you got what you paid for - worse performance in comparison > > tests - so they at least used to be a brand I (personally) would avoid... > > Zoom modems have changed a lot. Chances are they are using the same > chipset as the new Supras. Basically all the K56Flex capable modems use > either the Rockwell chipset or the Lucent chipset. > Zoom modems have always had one primary problem: manufacturing Quality Control. I've used a number of them, though several generations - they're basic 'glue and go' modems, nothing fancy. As long as you thoroughly test them and return the ones that don't work, they tend to keep working. On incoming inspection, I've had bent/broken components and units that fail to ever connect at rated speeds or were very noisy, all pretty much attributable to poor outgoing Q/A. Having to deal with them direct is somewhat of an experience, however . -Dave From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 16:12:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20004 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (root@m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19903 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kb8rjy@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from localhost (kb8rjy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.8.5/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA24626; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:05:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:05:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Shaun Q." To: Tom cc: jack , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Sportsters are not flashable, only Couriers. It is hoped that most > Couriers will be flashable to ITU. That might be a problem. K56Flex > modems are capable of auto-leveling to reach a max of 56k, but X2 modems > put out too high levels so are limited to 53k. This seems to be > limitation of the DSP on some of the Couriers and USR TC modems. USR > designed X2 to support as many USR modems as possible. I don't know if > the ITU will be as forgiving. What the in heck are you talking about? Open any box with a sportster x2 modem in it (not a 33.6 that has been upgraded, but the real thing) and you will see an intel flash chip on it. Not only has USR proclaimed to all their users that their x2 modems are GUARANTEED to be upgradable (hopefully with the flash upgrade), but they have put in writing that even if they have to replace every single one of their modems, they will upgrade all of them to the ITU standard, totally free, postage and all. When you get 5.9k/sec from an ISP that is 80 miles away, that's not really anything to complain about. take a look at their website to find out more about the upgrade. Shaun From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 17:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01858 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:18:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-113-179.la.inreach.net [206.18.113.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01842 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00815; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:18:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:17:07 -0800 (PST) Organization: Starfleet Command From: Donald Burr To: Tom Subject: Re: What is a good modem? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, jack Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My secret spy satellite informs me that on 27-Jan-98, Tom wrote: >> Say what??? Just flash the rom when the 56k standard is finalized. > > Sportsters are not flashable, only Couriers. It is hoped that most Well, that's funny, 'cause I just flashed my Sportster yesterday. Got me an incremental upgrade of the X2 code that dramatically increased my connection speed, too. All recently made (say, within the last year) Sportster INT, EXT, and PCMCIA's have always been flash-upgradable. - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNM6HZ/jpixuAwagxAQE8WQQAl74Xuh0FBgNGfMGFnt0gsUfMFBQu0OGz 9VZpwoTvN1uTQNsIb6ItBKS5NGTSAbQi3JW/vraNbaWQ0TC2wwvXf1iBPKNNctvw Cd6n2FgrJ2Pv0sIFUX5VHROTj59/X1rRiSVde5BLy+IVC70/ClobVOyCKci0MLcF 21Sb0ecIgr0= =SkJh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 22:10:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28857 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:10:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28837; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01523; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:10:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801280610.WAA01523@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Stunt Pope cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for HP SureStore DAT8 Tape Drives? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 27 Jan 98 12:25:54 -0500. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:10:21 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Someone I know has ordered an HP SureStore DAT8 external tape drive for >backup purposes on a few FreeBSD 2.2.2 boxes he's setting up. >Since I'll be the guy hooking it up I thought I'd ask a couple questions: >First off, does FreeBSD support these drives? (that's kind of important) In general, SCSI devices are always universally supported, unless they are abhorrent violators of SCSI protocols or standards. There are minor exceptions to this, but you should never have to ask "is this supported" of SCSI devices (this doesn't include SCSI controllers) unless it's a truly bizarre device. Modern DAT drives are not bizarre SCSI devices. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 22:35:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03090 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:35:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03076; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id UAA02540; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:18:30 -1000 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:18:30 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199801280618.UAA02540@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" "Re: support for HP SureStore DAT8 Tape Drives?" (Jan 27, 10:10pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for HP SureStore DAT8 Tape Drives? [scanners?] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } In general, SCSI devices are always universally supported, unless they } are abhorrent violators of SCSI protocols or standards. There are } minor exceptions to this, but you should never have to ask "is this } supported" of SCSI devices (this doesn't include SCSI controllers) } unless it's a truly bizarre device. Modern DAT drives are not bizarre } SCSI devices. } Cool. So how do I get BSD to talk to my Microtek scanner? Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 27 22:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06548 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:55:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06543; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:55:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02043; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:55:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801280655.WAA02043@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for HP SureStore DAT8 Tape Drives? [scanners?] In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 27 Jan 98 20:18:30 -1000. <199801280618.UAA02540@pegasus.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:55:19 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >} In general, SCSI devices are always universally supported, unless they >} are abhorrent violators of SCSI protocols or standards. There are >} minor exceptions to this, but you should never have to ask "is this >} supported" of SCSI devices (this doesn't include SCSI controllers) >} unless it's a truly bizarre device. Modern DAT drives are not bizarre >} SCSI devices. >Cool. So how do I get BSD to talk to my Microtek scanner? Read: bizarre device. :-) OK, I'll confine my comments to storage-oriented devices. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 04:04:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18069 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:04:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17988 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:04:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12497; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:04:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:04:34 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199801281204.NAA12497@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3M LS-120 support ? Cc: olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hardware Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: olli@incogni.to MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote in list.freebsd-hardware: > > Is FreeBSD support the 3M LS-120 drive ? > > -stable and -current have support for ATAPI removables, yes. > > > see it at: > > > > http://www.imation.com/dsp/ls120/ > > > > rw for regular 1.44M and 120M optical at an hard drive speed! IDE > > street price ~250$ US > > They're cheaper, and slower, than that. In fact, they're _damned_ slow, only about five times faster than a regular floppy. And they're not really optical; data is recorded onto a magnetic surface. They only use optical servo tracks to achieve more precise head positioning, like those old 20 Mb flopticals (anyone remembers those beasts?). Regards Oliver Fromme -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18-61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 04:15:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA20367 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA20354 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00945; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:36:21 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801281206.WAA00945@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: Kedar , Mike Smith , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial I/O. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:14:44 BST." <1019.885942884@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:36:21 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > O.K. We are thinking of having somebody customize the BIOS for this > >purpose. Using SBC's. Would rather use regular motherboards. Never done > >it, don't know how difficult/easy it is. > > Actually, why not make an isa card with some dual-port ram at the right > addresses so it looks like a videocard (CGA!) and a simple microcontroller > driving a RS-232 port to the dumb terminal ? Because ISA sucks? If I had the time & a backer to do this, I would use a PLX9050, some small SRAMs, a 68EC000 and a 16650, and the reasonably-public-domain VGA BIOS that comes with BOCHS. > This would work with standard motherboards... > > (I'll buy one or two if you make them !) You'll have to negotiate with Jordan for my time, I fear. Too many cookies in the jar right now. 8( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 04:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24593 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:54:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24579 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:54:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01004; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:48:35 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801281218.WAA01004@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: olli@incogni.to cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de Subject: Re: 3M LS-120 support ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:04:34 BST." <199801281204.NAA12497@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:48:35 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > http://www.imation.com/dsp/ls120/ > > > > > > rw for regular 1.44M and 120M optical at an hard drive speed! IDE > > > street price ~250$ US > > > > They're cheaper, and slower, than that. > > In fact, they're _damned_ slow, only about five times faster > than a regular floppy. Hmm. I was seeing around the 500K/sec mark out of the ATAPI Zip I was testing last night. It's a bit hard to be sure exactly how quick it is though as the machine it's on has too much memory. (ie. if you run iozone <2xmemory size> the file doesn't fit on the disk 8) How does this compare with an LS-120? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 06:40:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08588 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08580 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12925 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:23 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199801281440.PAA12925@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3M LS-120 support ? Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hardware Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith wrote in list.freebsd-hardware: > > In fact, they're _damned_ slow, only about five times faster > > than a regular floppy. > > Hmm. I was seeing around the 500K/sec mark out of the ATAPI Zip I was > testing last night. It's a bit hard to be sure exactly how quick it is > though as the machine it's on has too much memory. (ie. if you run > iozone <2xmemory size> the file doesn't fit on the disk 8) > > How does this compare with an LS-120? About the same. By the way, they also state on their web site that the drive is about five times faster than a regular floppy, and they say it's ~ 560 Kb/s sustained data transfer. These numbers don't quite match, since a regular floppy has an actual throuput of about 50 Kb/s. Anyway, it's slow in both cases. I'd recommend to buy an MO drive. Those 640 Mb MO drives are really nice. Sure, the drive is somewhat more expensive, but in the long run you save money, since the disks are considerably chaper than ZIPs or LS120 floppies. Regards Oliver Fromme PS: No need to Cc me replies, I read the list through a mail- to-news gateway (sorry, I broke the Reply-To header in my previous posting). -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18-61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 08:22:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21323 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:22:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp8.portal.net.au [202.12.71.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21271 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00704 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:44:53 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801281614.CAA00704@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3M LS-120 support ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:40:23 BST." <199801281440.PAA12925@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:44:53 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'd recommend to buy an MO drive. Those 640 Mb MO drives are > really nice. Sure, the drive is somewhat more expensive, but > in the long run you save money, since the disks are considerably > chaper than ZIPs or LS120 floppies. You're referring to the Fujitsu Dyna-MO drives I presume. I've been considering one as an adjunct to my Jaz, but haven't heard from anyone actually using one... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 08:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22147 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22112 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:24:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@persprog.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id LAA22581; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:19:02 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022574; Wed Jan 28 11:19:01 1998 Message-ID: <34CF5A5B.2454F592@persprog.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:18:35 -0500 From: "David W. Alderman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Foulk , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for HP SureStore DAT8 Tape Drives? [scanners?] References: <199801280618.UAA02540@pegasus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Richard Foulk wrote: > } In general, SCSI devices are always universally supported, unless they > } are abhorrent violators of SCSI protocols or standards. There are > } minor exceptions to this, but you should never have to ask "is this > } supported" of SCSI devices (this doesn't include SCSI controllers) > } unless it's a truly bizarre device. Modern DAT drives are not bizarre > } SCSI devices. > } > > Cool. So how do I get BSD to talk to my Microtek scanner? Scanners definitely fall under the category "bizarre" :-) Is there anything approaching a common command set for these beasties? From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 08:59:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26823 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26810 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:59:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@cybercom.net) Received: from atlanta (mfd-dial1-15.cybercom.net [209.21.137.15]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA00607 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:58:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980128114842.009b2e40@cybercom.net> X-Sender: ksmm@cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:48:42 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Re: 3M LS-120 support ? In-Reply-To: <199801281440.PAA12925@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Based on my recent experience with one of these drives, I would recommend avoiding them. In addition to being significantly slower than my iomega zip and jaz drives, the LS-120 was not compatible with a lot of software. For some reason, my drive kept reporting that its size was 1.39 MB instead of 1.44. This prevented software that creates floppies (e.g., Windows recovery disk, FreeBSD's boot disk) from being able to build the media. It also seemed to interfere with my ability to boot FreeBSD from CD-ROM. I can easily play Duke Nukem 3D straight off a zip drive (well, the SCSI one at least). On the LS-120 the same game was frame rate hell. With SyQuest tripping over its own feet, I think that iomega has won this round. Just one person's opinion, K.S. At 03:40 PM 1/28/98 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: >Mike Smith wrote in list.freebsd-hardware: > > > In fact, they're _damned_ slow, only about five times faster > > > than a regular floppy. > > > > Hmm. I was seeing around the 500K/sec mark out of the ATAPI Zip I was > > testing last night. It's a bit hard to be sure exactly how quick it is > > though as the machine it's on has too much memory. (ie. if you run > > iozone <2xmemory size> the file doesn't fit on the disk 8) > > > > How does this compare with an LS-120? > >About the same. By the way, they also state on their web site >that the drive is about five times faster than a regular >floppy, and they say it's ~ 560 Kb/s sustained data transfer. >These numbers don't quite match, since a regular floppy has >an actual throuput of about 50 Kb/s. Anyway, it's slow in both >cases. > >I'd recommend to buy an MO drive. Those 640 Mb MO drives are >really nice. Sure, the drive is somewhat more expensive, but >in the long run you save money, since the disks are considerably >chaper than ZIPs or LS120 floppies. > >Regards > Oliver Fromme > >PS: No need to Cc me replies, I read the list through a mail- >to-news gateway (sorry, I broke the Reply-To header in my >previous posting). > >-- >Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18-61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany >(Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 09:30:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02537 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:30:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01938 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:30:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@mail.codegen.com) Received: from [192.168.100.101] (ppp-astk06--063.sirius.net [205.134.241.63]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id JAA06334 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:30:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801281730.JAA06334@mail2.sirius.com> Subject: Re: 3M LS-120 support ? Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 09:33:19 -0800 x-sender: parag@mail.codegen.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: Parag Patel To: "FreeBSD Hardware" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1/28/1998 6:40 AM, Oliver Fromme (olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) said: >I'd recommend to buy an MO drive. Those 640 Mb MO drives are >really nice. Sure, the drive is somewhat more expensive, but >in the long run you save money, since the disks are considerably >chaper than ZIPs or LS120 floppies. If you're not in a *real* hurry to get a removable, it may be worthwhile waiting for the Orb to show up. They were at the SF MacWorld with some samples but nothing shipping just yet. was displaying a 2Gb removable drive. The drive plus one 2Gb cartridge will cost $199. Each 2Gb cartridge will cost $29.95 each. It's a single-platter hard disk with 12.5ms access and throughput good enough for streaming video. The cartridge and drive are about the size of a Zip cartridge and drive. It should be available in a few months. I believe that the initial product will be IDE-based with SCSI coming somewhere down the road. The big question is going to be reliability for an unproven new drive. Still, at this price it is awfully tempting. -- Parag Patel From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 09:40:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05919 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@[209.54.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05815 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06803; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:37:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:37:51 -0800 From: Matthew Jacob Message-Id: <199801281737.JAA06803@feral.com> To: dave@persprog.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, richard@pegasus.com Subject: Re: support for HP SureStore DAT8 Tape Drives? [scanners?] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Scanners definitely fall under the category "bizarre" :-) Is there >anything approaching a common command set for these beasties? Yes. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 21:02:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23022 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from master.inter-linc.net ([12.10.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22996 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:02:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@inter-linc.net) Received: from cheetah.inter-linc.net (12.10.101.16) by master.inter-linc.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 28 Jan 1998 23:00:04 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199801281204.NAA12497@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:56:59 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: olli@incogni.to Subject: Re: 3M LS-120 support ? Cc: olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" On 28-Jan-98 Oliver Fromme wrote: >Mike Smith wrote in list.freebsd-hardware: > > > Is FreeBSD support the 3M LS-120 drive ? > > > > -stable and -current have support for ATAPI removables, yes. > > > > > see it at: > > > > > > http://www.imation.com/dsp/ls120/ > > > > > > rw for regular 1.44M and 120M optical at an hard drive speed! IDE > > > street price ~250$ US > > > > They're cheaper, and slower, than that. > >In fact, they're _damned_ slow, only about five times faster >than a regular floppy. And they're not really optical; data >is recorded onto a magnetic surface. They only use optical >servo tracks to achieve more precise head positioning, like >those old 20 Mb flopticals (anyone remembers those beasts?). Yes, and the Floptical beasts I saw were at least SCSI. The only LS-120 stuff I have seen is either ATAPI or parallel (most likely ATAPI with a parallel converter). It would be nice, however, if this thing came standard on all new systems instead of the lousy floppy drives we have now (with proper BIOS support to make it usable just like the old floppy drives at boot.. if they were SCSI this would be part of most SCSI HA BIOSes). At least it is a step up while still being backwards compatible with the old stuff. :-) --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best operating system on the planet for Intel x86 based computers. ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 21:11:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24512 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24502 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA23489 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:40:38 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA16376; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:40:37 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980129154037.61654@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:40:37 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" I recently bought an AMD K6/233, and I'm still looking for a cooler which will keep it cool enough. Today I got a thing double the size of the last (well-dimensioned) one, and mounted it. It look bovine rc564 3 minutes to overheat the processor. I'm wondering what to do next. Both this cooler (which claims a thermal resistance of 0.8°C/W) and the previous one have a pad stuck on to the processor side, presumably in order to facilitate heat transfer. What's the best way to use this? Should I use thermal grease anyway? Should I use it instead? Any other bright ideas? Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 21:17:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25407 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:17:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25322 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01317; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:34:57 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290504.PAA01317@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chris Dillon cc: olli@incogni.to, olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3M LS-120 support ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:56:59 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:34:56 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > Yes, and the Floptical beasts I saw were at least SCSI. The only LS-120 stuff > I have seen is either ATAPI or parallel (most likely ATAPI with a parallel > converter). It would be nice, however, if this thing came standard on all new > systems instead of the lousy floppy drives we have now (with proper BIOS > support to make it usable just like the old floppy drives at boot.. if they > were SCSI this would be part of most SCSI HA BIOSes). At least it is a step up > while still being backwards compatible with the old stuff. :-) They are coming standard on new systems (except those sold by scum-sucking bargain merchants), and new BIOSsen do support them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 21:39:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00697 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:39:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00651 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01436; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:02:26 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290532.QAA01436@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:40:37 +1030." <19980129154037.61654@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:02:26 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA00680 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > I recently bought an AMD K6/233, and I'm still looking for a cooler > which will keep it cool enough. Today I got a thing double the size > of the last (well-dimensioned) one, and mounted it. It look bovine > rc564 3 minutes to overheat the processor. Yay. Three cheers for AMD. 8( > I'm wondering what to do next. Both this cooler (which claims a > thermal resistance of 0.8°C/W) and the previous one have a pad stuck > on to the processor side, presumably in order to facilitate heat > transfer. What's the best way to use this? Should I use thermal > grease anyway? Should I use it instead? Any other bright ideas? How about a Peltier effect cooler? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 21:42:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01138 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01085 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23555; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:12:16 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA16535; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:12:16 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980129161216.57713@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:12:16 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? References: <19980129154037.61654@lemis.com> <199801290532.QAA01436@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801290532.QAA01436@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 04:02:26PM +1030 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 04:02:26PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >> I recently bought an AMD K6/233, and I'm still looking for a cooler >> which will keep it cool enough. Today I got a thing double the size >> of the last (well-dimensioned) one, and mounted it. It look bovine >> rc564 3 minutes to overheat the processor. > > Yay. Three cheers for AMD. 8( > >> I'm wondering what to do next. Both this cooler (which claims a >> thermal resistance of 0.8°C/W) and the previous one have a pad stuck >> on to the processor side, presumably in order to facilitate heat >> transfer. What's the best way to use this? Should I use thermal >> grease anyway? Should I use it instead? Any other bright ideas? > > How about a Peltier effect cooler? You suggested this already. Care to implement it? Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 21:50:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02283 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02274 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01492; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:13:16 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290543.QAA01492@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:12:16 +1030." <19980129161216.57713@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:13:16 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA02276 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > >> I'm wondering what to do next. Both this cooler (which claims a > >> thermal resistance of 0.8°C/W) and the previous one have a pad stuck > >> on to the processor side, presumably in order to facilitate heat > >> transfer. What's the best way to use this? Should I use thermal > >> grease anyway? Should I use it instead? Any other bright ideas? > > > > How about a Peltier effect cooler? > > You suggested this already. Care to implement it? Why not just buy one? Ten seconds with AltaVista suggests http://www.computernerd.com/coolspec.htm as a place to start. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 21:53:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03272 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:53:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03054 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:53:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA04808; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:47:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801290547.VAA04808@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Greg Lehey cc: Mike Smith , FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 29 Jan 98 16:12:16 +1030. <19980129161216.57713@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:47:37 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" >On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 04:02:26PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >>> I recently bought an AMD K6/233, and I'm still looking for a cooler >>> which will keep it cool enough. Today I got a thing double the size >>> of the last (well-dimensioned) one, and mounted it. It look bovine >>> rc564 3 minutes to overheat the processor. [...] >>> I'm wondering what to do next. Both this cooler (which claims a >>> thermal resistance of 0.8°C/W) and the previous one have a pad stuck >>> on to the processor side, presumably in order to facilitate heat >>> transfer. What's the best way to use this? Should I use thermal >>> grease anyway? Should I use it instead? Any other bright ideas? >> How about a Peltier effect cooler? >You suggested this already. Care to implement it? Are all the peltien effect coolers currently on the market not sufficient? Do the ones designed for Pentiums not fit K6 (or Cyrix) chips? I'm curious because I've been thinking about picking one up for some time now... I'm curious if they work better than a big heat sink and really good ball-bearing fan. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 21:55:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04011 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:55:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03966 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01519; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:18:27 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290548.QAA01519@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Greg Lehey , Mike Smith , FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:47:37 -0800." <199801290547.VAA04808@MindBender.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:18:27 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA03973 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > Are all the peltien effect coolers currently on the market not > sufficient? Do the ones designed for Pentiums not fit K6 (or Cyrix) > chips? Most should fit the K6; all of the Cyrix parts I've seen have come with enormous heatsinks permanently attached. > I'm curious because I've been thinking about picking one up for some > time now... I'm curious if they work better than a big heat sink and > really good ball-bearing fan. They'll work better than an equivalently-sized heatsink without the pump module would. The real problem is that nobody seems prepared to actually attach the sort of heatsink that 40+W of dissipation to free air requires to a processor. What I *had* considered implementing was a fluid coolant system, just as soon as I managed to work out a way of getting my P6 above room temperature. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 22:01:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05131 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:01:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05123 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05010; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:01:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801290601.WAA05010@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Mike Smith cc: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 29 Jan 98 16:18:27 +1030. <199801290548.QAA01519@word.smith.net.au> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:01:22 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" >What I *had* considered implementing was a fluid coolant system, just = >as soon as I managed to work out a way of getting my P6 above room = >temperature. Check out Tom's hardware page... Pay attention to the Kryotech cooler and the 375MHz K6... :-) http://www.tomshardware.com/kryotech.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 22:13:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07327 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07317 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:13:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01639; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:36:00 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290606.QAA01639@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:01:22 -0800." <199801290601.WAA05010@MindBender.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:36:00 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > > >What I *had* considered implementing was a fluid coolant system, just = > >as soon as I managed to work out a way of getting my P6 above room = > >temperature. > > Check out Tom's hardware page... Pay attention to the Kryotech > cooler and the 375MHz K6... :-) > > http://www.tomshardware.com/kryotech.html To quote the spectator at the other end of the office: "I'm sure the magnetic field generated by your average freezer compressor does your computer whole bunches of good". This falls right in there with Monster Cable and valve amplifiers. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 22:23:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08380 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08367 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23609; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:52:40 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA16849; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:52:40 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980129165240.17039@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:52:40 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? References: <199801290601.WAA05010@MindBender.serv.net> <199801290606.QAA01639@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801290606.QAA01639@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 04:36:00PM +1030 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 04:36:00PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >> >>> What I *had* considered implementing was a fluid coolant system, just = >>> as soon as I managed to work out a way of getting my P6 above room = >>> temperature. >> >> Check out Tom's hardware page... Pay attention to the Kryotech >> cooler and the 375MHz K6... :-) >> >> http://www.tomshardware.com/kryotech.html > > To quote the spectator at the other end of the office: "I'm sure the > magnetic field generated by your average freezer compressor does your > computer whole bunches of good". I'd imagine that depends on the distance between the two. > This falls right in there with Monster Cable and valve amplifiers. Well, not quite. -40°C is not the same as +20°C. How you achieve the coolth is a different matter. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 22:28:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09160 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:28:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09026 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:28:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01739; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:50:43 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801290620.QAA01739@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: Mike Smith , "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:52:40 +1030." <19980129165240.17039@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:50:42 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id WAA09072 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > >> Check out Tom's hardware page... Pay attention to the Kryotech > >> cooler and the 375MHz K6... :-) > >> > >> http://www.tomshardware.com/kryotech.html > > > > To quote the spectator at the other end of the office: "I'm sure the > > magnetic field generated by your average freezer compressor does your > > computer whole bunches of good". > > I'd imagine that depends on the distance between the two. Read the page in question; the compressor sits in the bottom of your case. Yay. Not to mention the noise. I was just thinking along the lines of copper tubing in a heatsink sandwich and a small electric pump. Put the sandwich in a 5.25" drive bay and feed it with a coaxial fan... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 28 23:50:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22917 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:50:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www2.shoppersnet.com (shoppersnet.com [204.156.152.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22891 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from digital@www2.shoppersnet.com) Received: from localhost (digital@localhost) by www2.shoppersnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA22829; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from digital@www2.shoppersnet.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:46:21 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Lew To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-Reply-To: <19980129154037.61654@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id XAA22896 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > I recently bought an AMD K6/233, and I'm still looking for a cooler > which will keep it cool enough. Today I got a thing double the size > of the last (well-dimensioned) one, and mounted it. It look bovine > rc564 3 minutes to overheat the processor. > > I'm wondering what to do next. Both this cooler (which claims a > thermal resistance of 0.8°C/W) and the previous one have a pad stuck > on to the processor side, presumably in order to facilitate heat > transfer. What's the best way to use this? Should I use thermal > grease anyway? Should I use it instead? Any other bright ideas? Yes, use thermal grease. I have seen an instance where a K6-233 cpu without the heatsink grease will not boot up Win95 completely, but when the grease is applied it works like a charm. I think because of this AMD makes heatsink grease mandatory. If the heatsink is getting good thermal contact, the heatsink-fan should be very hot... (a fast fan helps to cool the heatsink too...) Otherwise, you are not getting good thermal contact. If you still have problems, it may be a remarked cpu or perhaps a Cyrix fan may help given that it does spin 3X faster and the heatsink is about a whole inch high. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 29 03:45:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21485 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:45:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from sos@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21479; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:45:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199801291145.DAA21479@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-Reply-To: <19980129154037.61654@lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Jan 29, 98 03:40:37 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:45:45 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" In reply to Greg Lehey who wrote: > I recently bought an AMD K6/233, and I'm still looking for a cooler > which will keep it cool enough. Today I got a thing double the size > of the last (well-dimensioned) one, and mounted it. It look bovine > rc564 3 minutes to overheat the processor. Hmm... > I'm wondering what to do next. Both this cooler (which claims a > thermal resistance of 0.8°C/W) and the previous one have a pad stuck > on to the processor side, presumably in order to facilitate heat > transfer. What's the best way to use this? Should I use thermal > grease anyway? Should I use it instead? Any other bright ideas? Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that you have a genuine 233 CPU ?? There is a LOT of remarked 166/200 CPU's being sold as 233 :( They will boot etc, but under load they'll die, no matter how much you cool them :( (well cryotec might help, but a new genuine CPU is cheaper LOTS cheaper) This is part of the story why Intel tries to make overclocking impossible, the other part being $$$ Søren From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 29 04:16:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27343 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:16:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA27338 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:16:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kendo@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (kendo@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id GAA08048 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:16:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kendo@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id GAA13154 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:16:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:16:03 -0600 (CST) From: kendo To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is a good modem? In-Reply-To: <001601bd2b0e$0cf10320$013ca0c0@control> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" I work tech support for an ISP. Sportsters are to be avoided if you have a choice. Couriers are excellent. Recommendation: Avoid all so called 56K non-standards. I also recommend avoiding internal modems because they require power down of whole system to truly reset modem. Externals have indicator lights or LCDs... Externals can be reset by powering down the modem and not the PC for ten seconds. If you are using very old hardware than an internal modem may be the way to go. You want to have a com port that has 16550 UARTs or better. Older PCs sometimes have 8250s or 16450s as UARTs. They were very poor when they first hit the market. Now they are just plain stupid. $88.00, Supra Sonic 33.6K has an LCD display that will show all important info on your current connection. Including protocol, compression, error-control, receive rate, transmit rate. It is a 16X2 character display. It is very stable and you can tell what is happening to your connection at all times. It evens displays retrains so you know what is happening. Zoom 56K external is excellent. Supra 56e is excellent. Motorola Modem Surfer 56K is good. Hayes Accura 56K is good. Make sure it is the newer version. Again do not even think Sportster unless you are given one or already have one. DO NOT spend a cent on a Sportster. If you have to have a USR/3COM modem get the Courier. The Courier is an excellent device that will serve you for many years. On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Donald Burr wrote: > I've had very good success with USR Sportsters. I've used both internal and external models on machines that are usuaully up a good portion of the day, if not 24/7, and haven't had a single crash or error. Avoid the USR clones, like the one made by TI, even CArdinal, etc. I tend not to trust them as much as "the real McCoy." > > They work great as dial-in modems, as dial-out modems (using pppd and/or iij-ppp), and as FAX modems (I use HylaFax). Configuration is pretty much "out of the box." > -- > Donald Burr > Email: dburr@POBoxes.com > Web: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Horton > To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Monday, January 26, 1998 6:28 PM > Subject: What is a good modem? > > > >What's a good external modem to use with FreeBSD? > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 29 12:44:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15912 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:44:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from klokan.sh.cvut.cz (root@klokan.sh.cvut.cz [193.84.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15872 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from J.Klaus@sh.cvut.cz) Received: from skunk.sh.cvut.cz (skunk.sh.cvut.cz [194.108.141.194]) by klokan.sh.cvut.cz (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA27476 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:38:17 +0100 Received: from SKUNK/SpoolDir by skunk.sh.cvut.cz (Mercury 1.31); 29 Jan 98 21:38:21 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by SKUNK (Mercury 1.31); 29 Jan 98 21:38:07 +0100 Received: from hell.sh.cvut.cz by skunk.sh.cvut.cz (Mercury 1.31) with ESMTP; 29 Jan 98 21:37:58 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:38:17 +0100 (CET) Organization: CTU Prague From: Jaroslav Klaus To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SMC 9432TX & DEC 21140A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA15891 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" Hello, Is SMC 9432 (Etherpower II) & DEC 21140A 100Mb/FullDuplex PCI network card supported in FreeBSD 2.2.5? Thanx -- Jarda From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 29 17:35:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07977 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:35:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07970 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:35:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-24.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.24]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA18297; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:35:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id SAA11654; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:56:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300056.SAA11654@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD hardware Users From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Heat sinks and coolers: grease or pad? In-reply-to: Message from Greg Lehey of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:40:37 +1030." <19980129154037.61654@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:56:38 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id RAA07971 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > I recently bought an AMD K6/233, and I'm still looking for a cooler > which will keep it cool enough. Today I got a thing double the size > of the last (well-dimensioned) one, and mounted it. It look bovine > rc564 3 minutes to overheat the processor. > > I'm wondering what to do next. Both this cooler (which claims a > thermal resistance of 0.8°C/W) and the previous one have a pad stuck > on to the processor side, presumably in order to facilitate heat > transfer. What's the best way to use this? Should I use thermal > grease anyway? Should I use it instead? Any other bright ideas? Neither the pad nor the grease are very good conductors of heat. The idea is to get the aluminum heatsink as close to the ceramic CPU as possible without gaps. The pad is supposed to fill these gaps without the mess of the grease. If the problem really is overheating a real K6/233, then I would start by removing the pad (because its thicker than most any grease layer a resonable person would apply) and using the thinest layer of heat sink goop you can. Apply/remove the heatsink a time or two to make sure you are wetting the whole thing. Lately I've been using a "Heat Sink Pen" from Radio Shack, Cat No: 64-4342. $5 or $6. Shake well before using. Bleed it on a throw away surface until it flows white stuff. Silicon Free (should I care?) Unlike tube heat sink compound (which is like toothpaste) this stuff is very wet so it goes on thin. Had no troubles reading "Pentium Pro" thru the layer I used yet on first removal of my heat sink it was plain that both surfaces were wetted. Decided to overclock my PPro-166/512k. 200MHz worked. 233MHz worked, ran it for 30 minutes before trying 266, which didn't boot. Set it back to 200 and that was: nospam: {278} uptime 6:46PM up 38 days, 22:03, 3 users, load averages: 1.00, 1.02, 1.04 nospam: {279} 38.9 days ago. Crunching RC5-64 and now DES-II the whole time. Am not sure if the heatsink/fan I bought with the CPU & MB from http://www.atipa.com was unusually large or not. Its the biggest fan and heatsink I've seen. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 29 21:46:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24326 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:46:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24280 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:46:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02334; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:09:48 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300539.QAA02334@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Doug White cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:18:52 -0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:09:47 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > Recommended course of action of pruning this cc: ? Put it on -hardware, where it belongs. > On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Can people *please* identify and report the I/O device on these failing > > boards? If you need help in working out which one it is, please ask. > > It is unlikely in the extreme that there is anything wrong with the > > timing, as the PCI-ISA bridge is configured by the BIOS and not changed > > by FreeBSD. > > Mike, if you're taking charge of this, I'll forward you any msgs I get > from -questions on it. If you can poke the questioners to identify the I/O chipsets and report the results of setting the 0x80 flags in the probe, I would be much obliged. > I've seen 10+ messages flow by on -questions in the past year or so with > this problem. I'm sure there are more people having it and just giving up. Even technically competent individuals like Greg seem to find the few steps involved to be "too hard". -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 29 21:52:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25905 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25780 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:52:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25164; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:22:07 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA07894; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:22:06 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980130162206.16328@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:22:06 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Doug White , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard References: <199801300539.QAA02334@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801300539.QAA02334@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 04:09:47PM +1030 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 04:09:47PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >> Recommended course of action of pruning this cc: ? > > Put it on -hardware, where it belongs. > >> On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Mike Smith wrote: >> >>> Can people *please* identify and report the I/O device on these failing >>> boards? If you need help in working out which one it is, please ask. >>> It is unlikely in the extreme that there is anything wrong with the >>> timing, as the PCI-ISA bridge is configured by the BIOS and not changed >>> by FreeBSD. >> >> Mike, if you're taking charge of this, I'll forward you any msgs I get >> from -questions on it. > > If you can poke the questioners to identify the I/O chipsets and report > the results of setting the 0x80 flags in the probe, I would be much > obliged. > >> I've seen 10+ messages flow by on -questions in the past year or so with >> this problem. > > I'm sure there are more people having it and just giving up. Even > technically competent individuals like Greg seem to find the few steps > involved to be "too hard". Bullshit, at least in my case. I sent you the results over a month ago. Since this is my main machine, I'm waiting for the next boot before investigating again. From memory, it was failing two interrupt probes (5 and 8? Can't remember, so don't rely on the info. I'll get it again). There's also one other bloke who promised to send me the info, so I'll send that on here. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 29 21:58:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27794 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:58:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27752 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:57:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02392; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:20:50 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300550.QAA02392@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: Mike Smith , Doug White , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:22:06 +1030." <19980130162206.16328@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:20:49 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > > I'm sure there are more people having it and just giving up. Even > > technically competent individuals like Greg seem to find the few steps > > involved to be "too hard". > > Bullshit, at least in my case. I sent you the results over a month > ago. You did? If so, I have either lost or nuked it; sorry. It's not anywhere in my "to be worried about" queue. I do know for a fact that you have't told me what the I/O chip is (beacause it *is* too hard to easily see). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 29 22:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29720 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:13:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29714 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25182; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:32:46 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA07961; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:32:46 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980130163246.10025@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:32:46 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Doug White , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Totem TX chipset motherboard References: <19980130162206.16328@lemis.com> <199801300550.QAA02392@word.smith.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801300550.QAA02392@word.smith.net.au>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 04:20:49PM +1030 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 04:20:49PM +1030, Mike Smith wrote: >>> I'm sure there are more people having it and just giving up. Even >>> technically competent individuals like Greg seem to find the few steps >>> involved to be "too hard". >> >> Bullshit, at least in my case. I sent you the results over a month >> ago. > > You did? If so, I have either lost or nuked it; sorry. No worries. I can't find it in my outfiles either, or I would have bounced it. But I'm sure I sent it to you. > It's not anywhere in my "to be worried about" queue. I do know for > a fact that you have't told me what the I/O chip is (beacause it > *is* too hard to easily see). Hmmm. I thought you took a look at that yourself. I've just taken a look inside; there are too many cables to see anything without dismantling the machine. Later Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 30 01:02:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20946 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20939 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:02:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from teima@kk.etx.ericsson.se) Received: from kkb3 (kkb3.kk.etx.ericsson.se [130.100.97.23]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.7.5/8.7.3/glacier-1.12) with SMTP id KAA22617 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:02:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se by kkb3 (SMI-8.6/LME-2.2.6) id KAA05815; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:02:39 +0100 From: teima@kk.etx.ericsson.se (Valter Mazzaro) Received: by kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se (SMI-8.6/client-1.6) id KAA09511; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:02:40 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:02:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199801300902.KAA09511@kk661.kk.etx.ericsson.se> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Embedded FreeBSD X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" Hello, we are a small group of people working on a distributed access router prototype. Each forwarding engine/egress port is constituted by a 200 Mhz Pentium Pro machine with FreeBSD as Net OS. It works great! At the moment we are investigating the possibility of implementing a router card, i.e. a board substituting each Pentium PC. We are trying to understand if we need to have a complete and commercial RTOS or we can live with a BSD-like product. As we are not so experienced in the embedded products field, I'm wondering if some of you guys can give us an hint about it. 1) Is it possible to embed FreeBSD or whichever BSD on a single board system? 2) Do you have any pointer to www sites, specific mailing lists, articles, books, etc. that can help us? As you understand, we don't need just a yes/no answer, even because running through the mailing lists archive it seems that is an old question, and the answer it should be yes. What we need is to have any indication about HOW to do it (stripped down systems, prom as virtual disks, embedded SW structure, SW loading on the on-board processor, an so on) We don't like so much the idea of leaving FreeBSD, all of us are very astonished how well it works, but the problem is that we lack information for this further step. Thanx in advance Valter From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 30 12:57:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17865 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:57:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.walls-media.com (ns1.walls-media.com [12.6.113.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17815 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:57:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bryanb@walls-media.com) Received: from ntwksbry ([12.6.113.52]) by ns1.walls-media.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA112 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:56:18 -0600 Message-ID: <003001bd2dc1$9aee2bc0$3471060c@ntwksbry.walls-media.com> From: "Bryan Bunch" To: Subject: Intel 100/B NIC Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:56:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" Can someone help me in setting my Intel 100/B NIC card to 100/Mbit and Full duplex? We just bought a switch that supports both and I would like to utilize it. if I type inconfig fxp0 here is what I get.... =========================== fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 =========================== Running 2.2.2RELEASE TIA Bryan Bunch bryanb@walls-media.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 30 14:10:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04613 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kojack.msdignition.com (kojack.msdignition.com [206.165.135.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA04533 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbutzke@msdignition.com) Received: by kojack.msdignition.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.57) id <01BD2D8F.1FBDD630@kojack.msdignition.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:55:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: Robert Butzke To: "'Freebsd-Hardware (E-mail)'" Subject: AGP Graphics Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:55:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.57 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" Hello, Just wondering if anyone has done any work with the new Intel AGP specification with FreeBSD? Also, does XFree86 work with AGP video cards? If there isn't any support for this, is anything planned or in the works? Thanks, Robert W. Butzke E-mail: rbutzke@msdignition.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 30 14:18:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06699 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:18:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06664 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA15602; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:17:24 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34D25177.4465F98C@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:17:27 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Bunch CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel 100/B NIC References: <003001bd2dc1$9aee2bc0$3471060c@ntwksbry.walls-media.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" Try: ifconfig fxp0 link1 link2 That should put the card into 100Mb, full duplex under 2.2.2-RELEASE, it's a nice card, especially at 100Mb (I have it running back to back to a WinNT workstation ;-) Regards, Karl Bryan Bunch wrote: > > Can someone help me in setting my Intel 100/B NIC card to 100/Mbit and > Full duplex? We just bought a switch that supports both and I would > like to utilize it. > > if I type inconfig fxp0 here is what I get.... > > =========================== > fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > =========================== > > Running 2.2.2RELEASE > > TIA > > Bryan Bunch > bryanb@walls-media.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 30 14:34:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11144 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:34:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sphinx.lovett.com (root@sphinx.lovett.com [38.155.241.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11075 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ade@demon.net) Received: from gorgon.lovett.com [38.155.241.3] (ade) by sphinx.lovett.com with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0xyP0l-00029u-00; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:34:11 -0600 To: Robert Butzke cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AGP Graphics Organization: Demon Internet Reply-To: ade@demon.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:55:36 MST." Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:34:11 -0600 From: Ade Lovett Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" Robert Butzke writes: > >Hello, > >Just wondering if anyone has done any work with the new Intel AGP >specification with FreeBSD? Also, does XFree86 work with AGP video >cards? If there isn't any support for this, is anything planned or in >the works? Take a peek at http://www.suse.de/~hohndel/FreeBSD for some unsupported versions of the predominantely Linux-orientated SuSE servers (see http://www.suse.de and follow the links). [one of them includes support for the Nvidia 128bit AGP/PCI chip, though you need to make sure your graphics card isn't sharing an interrupt with anything else]. There are plans for SuSE to integrate their work into the next release of XFree86 -- when this will actually happen is not entirely obvious at the moment. Personal Note: I haven't tried any of this code myself, so I have no idea whether it actually works :) unfortunately my AGP machine is stuck with Windows 95 for awhile.. -aDe -- Ade Lovett, Demon Internet, Austin, Texas. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 30 15:13:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17373 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:13:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17353 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22253; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:08:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA18650; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:08:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:08:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199801302308.QAA18650@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: ade@demon.net Cc: Robert Butzke , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AGP Graphics In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" > Take a peek at http://www.suse.de/~hohndel/FreeBSD for some > unsupported versions of the predominantely Linux-orientated SuSE > servers (see http://www.suse.de and follow the links). ... > There are plans for SuSE to integrate their work into the next > release of XFree86 -- when this will actually happen is not entirely > obvious at the moment. I think David Dawest mentioned that this work will definitely be in the next XFree86 release. > Personal Note: I haven't tried any of this code myself I'm using the Matrox-Mill-II driver from there and it works quite well, but it's not an AGP card. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 30 20:51:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12785 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from master.inter-linc.net ([12.10.101.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12746 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@inter-linc.net) Received: from cheetah.inter-linc.net (12.10.101.13) by master.inter-linc.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for hardware@freebsd.org; 30 Jan 1998 22:49:29 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:42:27 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HP PC Lan Plus driver Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" I have a friend who would like to install 2.2.5 via FTP, and has to do it over an HP PC Lan Plus card (which is listed as supported in http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook10.html), but he cannot get any of the existing drivers to work. Searching EVERYTHING (the maillists, source tree, GNATS, etc..) brings up nothing but an old article about Yggrdasil Linux in the mailing lists. If the driver for this card is not in the distribution (and specifically not the GENERIC kernel), then can someone point me in the direction of a driver I can patch into the kernel so I can build him a custom install disk? --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@inter-linc.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best operating system on the planet for Intel x86 based computers (and soon Sparcs). ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 30 23:46:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05890 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:46:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05885 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:46:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15268; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:48:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801310748.XAA15268@implode.root.com> To: Karl Pielorz cc: Bryan Bunch , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel 100/B NIC In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:17:27 GMT." <34D25177.4465F98C@tdx.co.uk> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:48:16 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe hardware" >ifconfig fxp0 link1 link2 > >That should put the card into 100Mb, full duplex under 2.2.2-RELEASE, it's a >nice card, especially at 100Mb (I have it running back to back to a WinNT >workstation ;-) You need to disabled autonegotiation as well with link0, e.g.: ifconfig fxp0 link0 link1 link2 When you upgrade to 2.2.5 or newer of FreeBSD, this will change to: ifconfig fxp0 media 100basetx mediaopt full-duplex -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project