From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jun 21 14:18:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01209 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles145.castles.com [208.214.165.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01196 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA03281; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806211907.MAA03281@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson" cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD with a Cable modem Setup In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:23:14 PDT." <19980618102314.A6740@oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:07:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am wondering how hard it would be to setup a 386 with PicoBSD > to hook into a cable modem. Also being able to handle their dynamic > addressing. Basically what I am trying to do is substitute a win95 > box running WINGATE (YUK) for a PicoBSD with a NATD config on a COX > @Home network. Any suggestions pointers etc would be appreciated. You need to add the DHCP client to make this work. It can be done, but you'll have to wing it a bit. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 23 21:16:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20889 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20832 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:16:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip_head@usa.net) From: chip_head@usa.net Received: (qmail 16856 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 00:04:20 -0000 Received: from www04.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.24) by 204.68.24.180 with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 00:04:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 20397 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 1998 00:04:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19980624000419.20396.qmail@www04.netaddress.usa.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:04:19 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 24 21:23:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12080 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com [24.2.7.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11955 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:23:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amonra@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.2.101.3]) by ha1.rdc1.tn.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA1018 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3591D099.35473DD7@home.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:22:49 -0500 From: Harb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PicoBSD on my Router? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I was wondering I am going to need a router for my home lan it will need to have support for 2 PCI NICs and a PCI Video card that is all... no HD and I need it to use 1 nic to get on the net using my cable modem and the other nic will be connected to a 3Com OfficeConnect Hub do any of you guys know if this will work and if someone could help me get this configured I am kinda new to FreeBSD in general.... System Specs Pentium 133MHz 430 generation motherboard not sure which :) 8MB EDO Ram Floppy Drive 3Com 509 10mbit NIC to Cable Modem Intel Etherexpress 100mbit to Hub Cirrus Logic 2MB PCI Video Card You guys think I can fit it on a floppy? Thanks in advance amonra@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 25 00:22:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11702 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA11680 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j7.bkj32.jaring.my [161.142.16.141]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA28404; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:22:16 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00406; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:42:45 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:42:45 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: Harb cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD on my Router? In-Reply-To: <3591D099.35473DD7@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Harb wrote: > System Specs > Pentium 133MHz > 430 generation motherboard not sure which :) > 8MB EDO Ram > Floppy Drive > 3Com 509 10mbit NIC to Cable Modem > Intel Etherexpress 100mbit to Hub > Cirrus Logic 2MB PCI Video Card you'd need the net flavour of picobsd. your nics are supported out of the box, so you could download the pre-built versions. Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 07:21:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13299 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:21:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13240 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06076 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:24:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:24:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I'm back. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Well, I'm back on-line after the first part of my vacations.. :-) It was really lovely two weeks in Tunisia... Now for my nearest plans: * I just received a flash disk (16MB, M-Systems, ISA card), thanks to Goran Hasse of Raditex, SE - I'll be experimenting with it till it starts working... :-) (i.e. I want to boot from it, and somehow access it to store the config data). I also plan to read the docs about Linux implementation of Flash Filesystem (romfs). Any pointers appreciated! * I'm also pretty convinced there are enough things to be fixed, and enough new features requested, that it's time for the new PicoBSD release to be cut. If you have any specific requests (or better yet - some code to be included :-), it's now the right time... One thing that should be discussed before this is the use of DEVFS/SLICE framework. It mightily simplifies the layout, saves some considerable space on the MFS, let's you avoid problems with device nodes you forgot to create, etc... The only problem is that I'm afraid it's not integrated fully with 2.2.x line... Dinesh? Julian? * When we're through with PicoBSD 0.3x (x>1), I'd like to try to prepare a starter's toolkit for mini-FreeBSD (something like an NC, X-terminal and Java-capable browser, all installed on a file)... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 10:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13257 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13130 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:13:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21007; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:12:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > * I just received a flash disk (16MB, M-Systems, ISA card), thanks to > Goran Hasse of Raditex, SE - I'll be experimenting with it till it starts > working... :-) (i.e. I want to boot from it, and somehow access it to > store the config data). I also plan to read the docs about Linux > implementation of Flash Filesystem (romfs). Any pointers appreciated! I currently use a 20mb M-Systems flash drive with my PicoBSD system...the PC-IDE unit (looks like an IDE drive)... Works like a charm :-) -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 10:29:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17519 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles214.castles.com [208.214.165.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17424 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07996; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806261729.KAA07996@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:24:12 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:28:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello, > > Well, I'm back on-line after the first part of my vacations.. :-) It was > really lovely two weeks in Tunisia... > > Now for my nearest plans: > > * I just received a flash disk (16MB, M-Systems, ISA card), thanks to > Goran Hasse of Raditex, SE - I'll be experimenting with it till it starts > working... :-) (i.e. I want to boot from it, and somehow access it to > store the config data). I also plan to read the docs about Linux > implementation of Flash Filesystem (romfs). Any pointers appreciated! If this card has an on-board BIOS, I would be more than happy to help you implement a VM86-based BIOS-disk driver on -current. We have everything in place to make this pretty easy. > One thing that should be discussed before this is the use of DEVFS/SLICE > framework. It mightily simplifies the layout, saves some considerable > space on the MFS, let's you avoid problems with device nodes you > forgot to create, etc... The only problem is that I'm afraid it's not > integrated fully with 2.2.x line... Dinesh? Julian? DEVFS should not be used in 2.2, and SLICE isn't there at all. For a 3.0-based PicoBSD, it's ideal. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 11:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27552 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luomat.peak.org (cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.83.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27398 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luomat@luomat.peak.org) Received: by luomat.peak.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA09409 for freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806261807.OAA09409@luomat.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: From: Timothy J Luoma Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 14:07:42 -0400 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What are "flash drives"? (was Re: I'm back.) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a flash drive? TjL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 12:32:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12939 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:32:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12889 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09081; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:31:31 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199806261931.JAA09081@oldyeller.comtest.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Marc Nicholas Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:32:24 -1000 Subject: Re: I'm back. Reply-to: randal@comtest.com CC: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26 Jun 98 at 13:12, Marc Nicholas wrote: > I currently use a 20mb M-Systems flash drive with my PicoBSD system...the > PC-IDE unit (looks like an IDE drive)... > > Works like a charm :-) Did you have any difficulties getting it to work? How did you format the flash drive? Randal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 12:44:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15607 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15448 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01990; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:46:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:46:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Flashes and BIOS (was Re: I'm back.) In-Reply-To: <199806261729.KAA07996@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > * I just received a flash disk (16MB, M-Systems, ISA card), thanks to > > Goran Hasse of Raditex, SE - I'll be experimenting with it till it starts > > working... :-) (i.e. I want to boot from it, and somehow access it to > > store the config data). I also plan to read the docs about Linux > > implementation of Flash Filesystem (romfs). Any pointers appreciated! > > If this card has an on-board BIOS, I would be more than happy to help > you implement a VM86-based BIOS-disk driver on -current. We have > everything in place to make this pretty easy. Yes, yes!!! That was what I also intended to pursue. You see, it has it's own BIOS which makes it accessible from DOS as an IDE drive. There is a driver for QNX, but (obviously) binary only. From the h/w point of view the card is seen through a 10kB memory region (no IO adresses). As I said I just received it today, plugged it into a spare machine and verified that it works, nothing more (in fact, I even booted FreeBSD from it, but of course couldn't mount root). Its BIOS hooks up normal int13, I think... so yes, if we could call its BIOS under FreeBSD, this should just work as expected (modulo some unexpectancies :-). I have to display my total ignorance here: I'm not sure what happens to the interrupt vectors once FreeBSD is booted - are they stored somewhere? are they changed at all? I kind of vaguely remember them being located somewhere near the 0:0 right after the POST completes (in real mode, just after startup). What happens to them when freebsd switches to protected mode? Is this memory area used at all? etc, etc... As for the driver: I'm totally ignorant in writing device drivers (and anything that must reside in kernel) - all I did thus far was to run the scripts in /usr/share/examples, and look at the code they produced... but I'm determined to learn, and code what I can. :-) > > One thing that should be discussed before this is the use of > DEVFS/SLICE > DEVFS should not be used in 2.2, and SLICE isn't there at all. For a > 3.0-based PicoBSD, it's ideal. Well, we might bifurcate the types further... into {dial,net,isp}/{devfs,nodevfs} but this starts to be messy... Perhaps I'll come up with a feature-level configurator instead of defining separate types with their own hierarchies... but this complicates calculations of MFS sizes... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 12:46:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15840 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15744 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01994; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:48:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:48:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > * I just received a flash disk (16MB, M-Systems, ISA card), thanks to > > Goran Hasse of Raditex, SE - I'll be experimenting with it till it starts > > working... :-) (i.e. I want to boot from it, and somehow access it to > > store the config data). I also plan to read the docs about Linux > > implementation of Flash Filesystem (romfs). Any pointers appreciated! > > I currently use a 20mb M-Systems flash drive with my PicoBSD system...the > PC-IDE unit (looks like an IDE drive)... > > Works like a charm :-) Well... loading the kernel - no doubt, but what with accessing the flash from running system? Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 12:49:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16472 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16390 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:48:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22104; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:48:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > * I just received a flash disk (16MB, M-Systems, ISA card), thanks to > > > Goran Hasse of Raditex, SE - I'll be experimenting with it till it starts > > > working... :-) (i.e. I want to boot from it, and somehow access it to > > > store the config data). I also plan to read the docs about Linux > > > implementation of Flash Filesystem (romfs). Any pointers appreciated! > > > > I currently use a 20mb M-Systems flash drive with my PicoBSD system...the > > PC-IDE unit (looks like an IDE drive)... > > > > Works like a charm :-) > > Well... loading the kernel - no doubt, but what with accessing the flash > from running system? Yes? I don't see what issues you see... I must admit, I've been doing lots of "hacking" with FreeBSD for a while and maybe something that's obvious to me isn't obvious to others. -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 12:49:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16606 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16495 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22110; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: "Randal S. Masutani" cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: <199806261931.JAA09081@oldyeller.comtest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Randal S. Masutani wrote: > Did you have any difficulties getting it to work? Nope. > How did you format the flash drive? They come pre-formatted...I just let my BIOS discover the geometry. -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 12:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18553 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18402 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06160; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:00:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:00:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > > > * I just received a flash disk (16MB, M-Systems, ISA card), thanks to > > > I currently use a 20mb M-Systems flash drive with my PicoBSD system...the > > > PC-IDE unit (looks like an IDE drive)... > > > > > > Works like a charm :-) > > > > Well... loading the kernel - no doubt, but what with accessing the flash > > from running system? > > Yes? I don't see what issues you see... > > I must admit, I've been doing lots of "hacking" with FreeBSD for a while > and maybe something that's obvious to me isn't obvious to others. Ok, perhaps I made it unclear. What I'd like to do is to be able to access the flash r/w (preferably to mount it) from under running FreeBSD system. Are you saying it works? If yes, then please tell us what you did to achieve this. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:11:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21065 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21015 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22287; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:11:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Ok, perhaps I made it unclear. You're negating the fact that I'm a dumb-ass and could be misinterpreting you ;-) > What I'd like to do is to be able to access the flash r/w (preferably to > mount it) from under running FreeBSD system. Are you saying it works? If > yes, then please tell us what you did to achieve this. Let me clarify: I'm using M-Systems PC-IDE flash drives. They look EXACTLY like an IDE drive to your system. All I did was newfs the drive and mount it. -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:15:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21816 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21799 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09956; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:18:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:18:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > Ok, perhaps I made it unclear. > > You're negating the fact that I'm a dumb-ass and could be misinterpreting > you ;-) > > > What I'd like to do is to be able to access the flash r/w (preferably to > > mount it) from under running FreeBSD system. Are you saying it works? If > > yes, then please tell us what you did to achieve this. > > Let me clarify: > > I'm using M-Systems PC-IDE flash drives. They look EXACTLY like an IDE > drive to your system. All I did was newfs the drive and mount it. 8-O !!! That's very good news! I'll try to do it myself (tomorrow). Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:29:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24194 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:29:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24144 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22423; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > I'm using M-Systems PC-IDE flash drives. They look EXACTLY like an IDE > > drive to your system. All I did was newfs the drive and mount it. > > 8-O !!! > > That's very good news! I'll try to do it myself (tomorrow). :-) The biggest problem I had was that the IDE-FD18-20 is a 2.5" form factor, just like the drive in a notebook. I was connecting it to a a regular IDE bus and needed to get a 2.5" IDE to 3.5" connection kit. There is *no* mention that you need this in the documentation... I presume you have the DiskOnChip eval board? Bear in mind that the eval board is really intended for development of systems that use the DiskOnChip -- this requires a 30-pin DiskOnChip socket on the motherboard and BIOS support. Boards that support DiskOnChip generally make it appear like an IDE drive from within the BIOS... Generic systems requiring flash should really opt for something like M-Systems flash ATA cards or the IDE-FD13 or IDE-FD18 series... -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24623 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24493 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22443; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Timothy J Luoma cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What are "flash drives"? (was Re: I'm back.) In-Reply-To: <199806261807.OAA09409@luomat.peak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Timothy J Luoma wrote: > Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a flash drive? A storage device that uses flash memory chips instead of spinning magnetic media. Flash chips "retain" data even without power. Modern flash drives support sophisticated error correection algorithms to compensate for "dead" flash cells which occur. Check out http://www.m-sys.com. -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:34:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25137 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25042 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09191; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:33:02 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199806262033.KAA09191@oldyeller.comtest.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Mike Smith Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:34:02 -1000 Subject: Re: I'm back. Reply-to: randal@comtest.com CC: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199806261729.KAA07996@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:24:12 +0200." X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26 Jun 98 at 10:28, Mike Smith wrote: > If this card has an on-board BIOS, I would be more than happy to help > you implement a VM86-based BIOS-disk driver on -current. We have > everything in place to make this pretty easy. > > DEVFS should not be used in 2.2, and SLICE isn't there at all. For a > 3.0-based PicoBSD, it's ideal. > 3.0-current sound good, but is it stable enough as compared to 2.2.6R ? I plan to run PicoBSD embedded into a commercial test equipment. Randal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25690 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:37:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dworkin.amber.org (petrilli@dworkin.amber.org [209.31.146.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25605 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petrilli@dworkin.amber.org) Received: from localhost (petrilli@localhost) by dworkin.amber.org (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA26869; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Christopher G. Petrilli" To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Marc Nicholas , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > I currently use a 20mb M-Systems flash drive with my PicoBSD system...the > > PC-IDE unit (looks like an IDE drive)... > > > > Works like a charm :-) > > Well... loading the kernel - no doubt, but what with accessing the flash > from running system? I think you miss the statement IDE... this is a "black box" that to all parties looks just like a IDE drive would, and the OS is totally unaware of the fact that it's actually flash... no support needed. Chris -- | Christopher Petrilli | petrilli@amber.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:41:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26449 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26336 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22532; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: "Christopher G. Petrilli" cc: Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Christopher G. Petrilli wrote: > I think you miss the statement IDE... this is a "black box" that to all > parties looks just like a IDE drive would, and the OS is totally unaware > of the fact that it's actually flash... no support needed. Correct. And writing a flash filesystem with wear levelling etc. is a duplicate of other peoples efforts. So either grab a motherboard with DiskOnChip support or use a flash drive with an IDE or SCSI interface. -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:47:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27548 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27380 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA18019; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:49:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:49:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > > I'm using M-Systems PC-IDE flash drives. They look EXACTLY like an IDE > > > drive to your system. All I did was newfs the drive and mount it. > > > > 8-O !!! > > > > That's very good news! I'll try to do it myself (tomorrow). > > :-) > > The biggest problem I had was that the IDE-FD18-20 is a 2.5" form factor, > just like the drive in a notebook. I was connecting it to a a regular IDE Ha! Gotcha! :-( All the time I was misunderstanding you - you have the _IDE_ version that plugs directly to the IDE interface, while my version is an ISA card which installs its own BIOS in order to mimick an IDE drive... Forgive me, it's late here and I'm a bit tired... These versions are completely different beasts then... So, this is a bad news for me. But we'll try to use its BIOS to do the thing... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:50:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28300 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28176 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:50:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22605; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > All the time I was misunderstanding you - you have the _IDE_ version that > plugs directly to the IDE interface, while my version is an ISA card which > installs its own BIOS in order to mimick an IDE drive... Forgive me, it's > late here and I'm a bit tired... These versions are completely different > beasts then... > > So, this is a bad news for me. But we'll try to use its BIOS to do the > thing... It'll work just fine. Don't worry :-) The BIOS on the card will mask it as a regular IDE drive to the operating system...unless FreeBSD does anything perculiar with IDE drives? -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:52:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28570 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28343 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:50:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19827; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:53:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:53:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: "Christopher G. Petrilli" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Christopher G. Petrilli wrote: > > > I think you miss the statement IDE... this is a "black box" that to all > > parties looks just like a IDE drive would, and the OS is totally unaware > > of the fact that it's actually flash... no support needed. > > Correct. > > And writing a flash filesystem with wear levelling etc. is a duplicate of > other peoples efforts. > > So either grab a motherboard with DiskOnChip support or use a flash drive > with an IDE or SCSI interface. yeah, I was wrong - but the reality is that I was sent a PC-FD-16 flashdisk, which is an ISA card (I presume it's cheaper than the "true IDE" version), and I can't change this fac. :-) Besides, this will be more beneficial, because we'll finally start to use 3.0-current abilities to call real-mode BIOS. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29288 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29160 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20646; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:57:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:57:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > All the time I was misunderstanding you - you have the _IDE_ version that > > plugs directly to the IDE interface, while my version is an ISA card which > > installs its own BIOS in order to mimick an IDE drive... Forgive me, it's > > late here and I'm a bit tired... These versions are completely different > > beasts then... > > > > So, this is a bad news for me. But we'll try to use its BIOS to do the > > thing... > > It'll work just fine. Don't worry :-) The BIOS on the card will mask it as > a regular IDE drive to the operating system...unless FreeBSD does anything > perculiar with IDE drives? Yes - it doesn't use the BIOS at all, except when booting... that's why I was so surprised. So, this will not work (as I expected) unless we write a driver. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 13:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29588 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:57:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29462 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22655; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Yes - it doesn't use the BIOS at all, except when booting... that's why I > was so surprised. So, this will not work (as I expected) unless we write a > driver. Yikes! :-o I'd be very interested to see how you get on then... -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 14:18:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04554 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles214.castles.com [208.214.165.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04410 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08961; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806262118.OAA08961@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 ~To: randal@comtest.com cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:34:02 -1000." <199806262033.KAA09191@oldyeller.comtest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:18:04 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 26 Jun 98 at 10:28, Mike Smith wrote: > > > If this card has an on-board BIOS, I would be more than happy to help > > you implement a VM86-based BIOS-disk driver on -current. We have > > everything in place to make this pretty easy. > > > DEVFS should not be used in 2.2, and SLICE isn't there at all. For a > > 3.0-based PicoBSD, it's ideal. > > 3.0-current sound good, but is it stable enough as compared to 2.2.6R ? > I plan to run PicoBSD embedded into a commercial test equipment. That's something that only you can assure yourself of; you want to qualify it like any other software product. We were selling (expensive) commercial gear based on early 2.2-current snapshots nearly 18 months ago - most of these systems are still in operation today, despite the "highly alpha" nature of much of the code in them they work over the domain of interest and that's what counts. If you desperately need 3.0 features, then you need to look at qualifying one of the 3.0 snaps, or building your own. If not, then you can certainly increase your comfort factor by staying with the mugh more proven 2.2 family. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 14:39:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10008 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles214.castles.com [208.214.165.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09918 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA09060; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806262139.OAA09060@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Flashes and BIOS (was Re: I'm back.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:46:28 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:39:08 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > * I just received a flash disk (16MB, M-Systems, ISA card), thanks to > > > Goran Hasse of Raditex, SE - I'll be experimenting with it till it starts > > > working... :-) (i.e. I want to boot from it, and somehow access it to > > > store the config data). I also plan to read the docs about Linux > > > implementation of Flash Filesystem (romfs). Any pointers appreciated! > > > > If this card has an on-board BIOS, I would be more than happy to help > > you implement a VM86-based BIOS-disk driver on -current. We have > > everything in place to make this pretty easy. > > Yes, yes!!! That was what I also intended to pursue. You see, it has it's > own BIOS which makes it accessible from DOS as an IDE drive. There is a > driver for QNX, but (obviously) binary only. From the h/w point of > view the card is seen through a 10kB memory region (no IO adresses). It doesn't make it visible from DOS as an IDE drive; it makes it visible as a BIOS drive. Big difference. 8) > As I said I just received it today, plugged it into a spare machine and > verified that it works, nothing more (in fact, I even booted FreeBSD from > it, but of course couldn't mount root). Its BIOS hooks up normal int13, I > think... so yes, if we could call its BIOS under FreeBSD, this should > just work as expected (modulo some unexpectancies :-). The real gotchas are just whether the card BIOS makes any assumptions about system and hardware state (eg. hijacking timer hardware, interrupt vectors etc.). > I have to display my total ignorance here: I'm not sure what happens to > the interrupt vectors once FreeBSD is booted - are they stored somewhere? > are they changed at all? I kind of vaguely remember them being located > somewhere near the 0:0 right after the POST completes (in real mode, just > after startup). What happens to them when freebsd switches to protected > mode? Is this memory area used at all? etc, etc... The bottom few pages of the system are left entirely alone. When a VM86 context is created, it inherits copies of these pages in order to effectively make the BIOS vectors available. What you can't guarantee is that the system hardware is not going to be abused by the BIOS, although as a general rule, BIOS writers tend to be conservative about what they plaster. Despite this, the operating systems that offer good VM86 services (eg. OS/2) still virtualise most of the hardware. We don't do this (it's hard!), which makes the hardware directly available to the code in the vm86 context (presuming it's caller has permission to access it - a user-space caller without IOPL set will still trap if it attempts to do port I/O). > As for the driver: I'm totally ignorant in writing device drivers (and > anything that must reside in kernel) - all I did thus far was to run the > scripts in /usr/share/examples, and look at the code they produced... but > I'm determined to learn, and code what I can. :-) Take something like 'wfd' and rip the guts out of it. There's a lot of ATAPI crap in there, but basically it's a nice, relatively simple driver that hasn't grown too many warts (unlike 'wd'!). You want to look at i386/i386/vm86.c:initial_bioscalls() to see how to make BIOS calls (skip the vm86_initialise() call). You'll also want to work out how to allocate a bounce buffer in extremely-low memory (below the 1MB mark) - this may involve fiddling the memory probe code or the code in machdep.c to "hide" another page down low. A single page will let you do transfers up to 4k at a time, which is reasonable. Less than that and you'll thrash, much more and you run the risk of spending too long in the BIOS. Then go get a copy of Ralf Brown's Interrupt List, and start reading up on the BIOS calls for locating and accessing BIOS disks. Initially, I would suggest abusing the ISA device model because that way you can get parameters to your driver. Take the I/O port and use it as the BIOS unit number, and ignore the rest of the parameters. One tip - normally you commit the disk transfer to hardware out of the strategy routine, which then returns. At some later stage, the interrupt handler calls your done routine, which then calls biodone() on the bp that the strategy routine started. Because you call into the BIOS to do the work, and it returns a result immediately, you will want to skip the done routine altogether. Of course, you may have to make several BIOS calls to satisfy the request in the bp (as if you're only using one page, you will only get 4K at a time). I hope this helps; I have a flash-based board on the way as well, but if you're in a strong position to work on this, supporting you is easier than finding time among all my other projects. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 16:23:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25277 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freeby.mesanet.com (mesa.dial.idiom.com [209.157.70.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25070 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:22:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeby.mesanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA13799; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Wallace To: "Christopher G. Petrilli" cc: Andrzej Bialecki , Marc Nicholas , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Christopher G. Petrilli wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > > I currently use a 20mb M-Systems flash drive with my PicoBSD system...the > > > PC-IDE unit (looks like an IDE drive)... > > > > > > Works like a charm :-) > > > > Well... loading the kernel - no doubt, but what with accessing the flash > > from running system? > > I think you miss the statement IDE... this is a "black box" that to all > parties looks just like a IDE drive would, and the OS is totally unaware > of the fact that it's actually flash... no support needed. Just dont swap to it :-) PCW > > Chris > -- > | Christopher Petrilli > | petrilli@amber.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 16:56:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02557 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02505 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA23788; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:55:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Peter Wallace cc: "Christopher G. Petrilli" , Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Peter Wallace wrote: > > I think you miss the statement IDE... this is a "black box" that to all > > parties looks just like a IDE drive would, and the OS is totally unaware > > of the fact that it's actually flash... no support needed. > Just dont swap to it :-) Heh...damn right! I get paranoid just *writing* a file to mine...they're only good for about a million writes per cell. -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 26 17:33:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09109 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:33:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freeby.mesanet.com (mesa.dial.idiom.com [209.157.70.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09068 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeby.mesanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13979; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Wallace To: Marc Nicholas cc: "Christopher G. Petrilli" , Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Heh...damn right! I get paranoid just *writing* a file to mine...they're > only good for about a million writes per cell. > Well, with ECC and bad block retirement (they get a tiny gold watch) you may do a little better... PCW > > -marc > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Hippocampus OSD, Inc. 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BDA144.E8D89CC0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 01:52:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10521 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA10514 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j1.jrc7.jaring.my [161.142.113.75]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA12912; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:52:24 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00414; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:27:24 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:27:24 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Marc Nicholas , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > What I'd like to do is to be able to access the flash r/w (preferably to > mount it) from under running FreeBSD system. Are you saying it works? If > yes, then please tell us what you did to achieve this. off the cuff here, but if the drive is presented as an IDE drive (meaning bios handles the mappings), then why cant freebsd just mount the babies ? Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 01:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10628 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA10606 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j1.jrc7.jaring.my [161.142.113.75]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA12909; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:52:16 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00419; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:29:34 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:29:33 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: "Randal S. Masutani" cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: <199806262033.KAA09191@oldyeller.comtest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Randal S. Masutani wrote: > 3.0-current sound good, but is it stable enough as compared to 2.2.6R ? > I plan to run PicoBSD embedded into a commercial test equipment. my playing around revealed that DEVFS was pretty shaky on a full 2.2.6 system, let alone picobsd. i wouldnt really recommend it. of course, i would love for someone to prove me wrong here. Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 01:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA10629 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA10611 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j1.jrc7.jaring.my [161.142.113.75]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA12918; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:52:29 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00430; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:35:22 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:35:22 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Flashes and BIOS (was Re: I'm back.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > I have to display my total ignorance here: I'm not sure what happens to > the interrupt vectors once FreeBSD is booted - are they stored somewhere? > are they changed at all? I kind of vaguely remember them being located > somewhere near the 0:0 right after the POST completes (in real mode, just i've written software - originally for win95 but works for any x86 OS using the partition model - which allows a user to encrypt and lock a harddrive. data and booting is disallowed unless a smartcard and the proper password is inserted. implemented this by dicking around with int13 hook on bootup to insert a hook into my routines so i could do on-the-fly encryption and decryption. i've got the assembler code still with me. > {dial,net,isp}/{devfs,nodevfs} > > but this starts to be messy... Perhaps I'll come up with a feature-level > configurator instead of defining separate types with their own it would, andrzej. suggest that i keep 2.2.6 non-devfs as it's not too stable on this strain anyway. otoh, based on jordan's postings, we're expecting the 2.2.x tree to be fully merged into the 3.0-RELEASE by end of this year. would need to consolidate both our versions then. its currently easy as the differences are not too great. Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 08:48:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24639 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 08:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24629 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 08:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26060; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:50:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:50:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Dinesh Nair cc: Marc Nicholas , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Dinesh Nair wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > What I'd like to do is to be able to access the flash r/w (preferably to > > mount it) from under running FreeBSD system. Are you saying it works? If > > yes, then please tell us what you did to achieve this. > > off the cuff here, but if the drive is presented as an IDE drive (meaning > bios handles the mappings), then why cant freebsd just mount the babies ? Ok, let me make it clear: * I was mistaken as to the type of the inetrface of this particular flash - it is plain IDE, not an ISA card which mimicks as an IDE drive using its own BIOS extension, * FreeBSD currently uses BIOS services only to load the kernel (I shouldn't even say "FreeBSD" but just bootloader). BIOS services are available in real-mode only, while the kernel runs in protected mode of course. * Hence, once the kernel is running, the BIOS extensions that the flash previously loaded are unavailable. It no longer exists as the IDE drive. The solution to this is to write special driver which uses those real-mode BIOS services (through vm86 layer) to transfer the data to/from the flash, and present it as a disk device to the system. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 09:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26157 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26150 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA29302; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:04:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:04:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Dinesh Nair cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Flashes and BIOS (was Re: I'm back.) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, Dinesh Nair wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > I have to display my total ignorance here: I'm not sure what happens to > > the interrupt vectors once FreeBSD is booted - are they stored somewhere? > > are they changed at all? I kind of vaguely remember them being located > > somewhere near the 0:0 right after the POST completes (in real mode, just > > i've written software - originally for win95 but works for any x86 OS > using the partition model - which allows a user to encrypt and lock a > harddrive. data and booting is disallowed unless a smartcard and the > proper password is inserted. > > implemented this by dicking around with int13 hook on bootup to insert a > hook into my routines so i could do on-the-fly encryption and decryption. > i've got the assembler code still with me. Yes, I know that much - what I wasn't sure about was what FreeBSD does to the interrupt vector table on loading... (for curious: it leaves it intact). Besides, once the kernel is running in protected mode, it's nontrivial to call real-mode BIOS routines. > > > {dial,net,isp}/{devfs,nodevfs} > > > > but this starts to be messy... Perhaps I'll come up with a feature-level > > configurator instead of defining separate types with their own > > it would, andrzej. suggest that i keep 2.2.6 non-devfs as it's not too > stable on this strain anyway. otoh, based on jordan's postings, we're > expecting the 2.2.x tree to be fully merged into the 3.0-RELEASE by end > of this year. would need to consolidate both our versions then. its > currently easy as the differences are not too great. Ok, that's fine. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 10:47:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07225 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles146.castles.com [208.214.165.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07203 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15366; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806271746.KAA15366@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Marc Nicholas cc: Peter Wallace , "Christopher G. Petrilli" , Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:55:22 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:46:26 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, 26 Jun 1998, Peter Wallace wrote: > > > > I think you miss the statement IDE... this is a "black box" that to all > > > parties looks just like a IDE drive would, and the OS is totally unaware > > > of the fact that it's actually flash... no support needed. > > Just dont swap to it :-) > > Heh...damn right! I get paranoid just *writing* a file to mine...they're > only good for about a million writes per cell. Only if you buy the cheap ones. 8) Actually, the best design I've seen so far uses a battery-backed SRAM for initial storage, and then does a sweep every 10 minutes updating changed pages into flash. When the power is off at the end of the sweep, the battery gets disconnected, and then on power-up the SRAM is repopulated. More complex, sure, but for some applications... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 10:56:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08082 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles146.castles.com [208.214.165.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08069 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09435; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806270145.SAA09435@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Timothy J Luoma cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What are "flash drives"? (was Re: I'm back.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:07:42 EDT." <199806261807.OAA09409@luomat.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:45:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a flash drive? A device that uses "flash" EPROMs to provide nonvolatile storage. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 19:50:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12555 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xyplex.com (xap.xyplex.com [140.179.130.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12532 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpennell@xyplex.com) Received: from ltnsvex2.xyplex.com (east.xyplex.com [140.179.176.22]) by xyplex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11151; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DPENNELL by ltnsvex2.xyplex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1460.8) id K00JN98T; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:51:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bda23e$7ffb0030$27b6b38c@david.pennell.org> From: "David Pennell" To: "Marc Nicholas" , "Mike Smith" Cc: "Peter Wallace" , "Christopher G. Petrilli" , "Andrzej Bialecki" , Subject: Re: I'm back. Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:43:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Actually, the best design I've seen so far uses a battery-backed SRAM >for initial storage, and then does a sweep every 10 minutes updating >changed pages into flash. When the power is off at the end of the >sweep, the battery gets disconnected, and then on power-up the SRAM is >repopulated. More complex, sure, but for some applications... Who manufactured that one? -david To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jun 27 20:35:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16968 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:35:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles233.castles.com [208.214.165.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16959 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17007; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806280334.UAA17007@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "David Pennell" cc: "Marc Nicholas" , "Mike Smith" , "Peter Wallace" , "Christopher G. Petrilli" , "Andrzej Bialecki" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm back. In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:43:11 EDT." <001f01bda23e$7ffb0030$27b6b38c@david.pennell.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:34:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Actually, the best design I've seen so far uses a battery-backed SRAM > >for initial storage, and then does a sweep every 10 minutes updating > >changed pages into flash. When the power is off at the end of the > >sweep, the battery gets disconnected, and then on power-up the SRAM is > >repopulated. More complex, sure, but for some applications... > > Who manufactured that one? 8( I don't remember. It wasn't a general-purpose unit though - sorry if I gave that impression. The rest of the system wasn't anything to write home about, it was just the two-level flash disk that caught my attention as a neat idea. I've also heard of systems where there's a smaller amount of SRAM used as a disk cache, with the intention again of reducing repeated write activity, but I don't know of anyone doing this commercially. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message