From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 5 8: 2:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.surnet.ru (mobil.surnet.ru [195.54.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF8F1505D; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 08:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) Received: (from uucgilh@localhost) by mobil.surnet.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with UUCP id UAA00502; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:56:47 +0600 (UDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cgilh.chel.su (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id UAA02920; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:37:30 +0600 Received: from localhost (ilia@localhost) by localhost.cgu.chel.su (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA00357; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:37:43 +0600 (ESS) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.cgu.chel.su: ilia owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:37:43 +0600 (ESS) From: Ilia Chipitsine X-Sender: ilia@localhost.cgu.chel.su To: webmaster@hotmail.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (this letter is addressed to webmaster/webmistress of Hotmail, copy of it is posted to questions@FreeBSD.ORG and advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Dear Webmaster, It's no surprize for me that Hotmail runs 2000 of servers with FreeBSD. I also has an account @ hotmail.com, so I'm interested person :-) What about putting "powered by FreeBSD" at the www.hotmail.com ?! I do not want this letter to be negative, but having that logo on the Web-page will show some respect to FreeBSD Inc. Also it will help to promote FreeBSD. Regards, (Наилучшие пожелания) Ilia Chipitsine (Илья Шипицин) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 5 13:24:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272E914FED; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA94302; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Ilia Chipitsine Cc: webmaster@hotmail.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:37:43 +0600." Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:20:31 -0700 Message-ID: <94298.936562831@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > (this letter is addressed to webmaster/webmistress of Hotmail, copy of it > is posted to questions@FreeBSD.ORG and advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Don't you know that Hotmail is owned by Microsoft? What you're suggesting would only get someone fired. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 5 13:29:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5816E14C02; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.212]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990905203258.BZWO2478302.mta2-rme@wocker>; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:32:58 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:29:25 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: webmaster@hotmail.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: Your message of "Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:37:43 +0600." In-reply-to: <94298.936562831@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: <19990905203258.BZWO2478302.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 5 Sep 99, at 13:20, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > (this letter is addressed to webmaster/webmistress of Hotmail, copy of it > > is posted to questions@FreeBSD.ORG and advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) > > Don't you know that Hotmail is owned by Microsoft? > > What you're suggesting would only get someone fired. :) At which company? :) -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.freebsddiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm unix @ home - http://www.unixathome.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 5 13:34:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CBB14C02; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4C91B1C19; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5453817; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Dan Langille Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: <19990905203258.BZWO2478302.mta2-rme@wocker> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Dan Langille wrote: > > What you're suggesting would only get someone fired. :) > > At which company? :) We are spamming webmaster@hotmail.com now. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 5 13:52:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from qui.uc.pt (qui.uc.pt [192.84.13.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A464F14CC8; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@qui.uc.pt) Received: from qui.uc.pt (qui.uc.pt [192.84.13.26]) by qui.uc.pt (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25679; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:51:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jpedras@qui.uc.pt) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:51:47 +0100 (BST) From: Joao Pedras To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Dan Langille , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG And we could offer Bill an email account, say bgates@freebsd.org On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > What you're suggesting would only get someone fired. :) > > > > At which company? :) > > We are spamming webmaster@hotmail.com now. > > -- > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 5 14: 4:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768581511A; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:03:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08454; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 07:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:21:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Joao Pedras Cc: Bill Fumerola , Dan Langille , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Joao Pedras wrote: > > And we could offer Bill an email account, say bgates@freebsd.org I think what Bill Fumerola is saying is that it's not in our best interest to hound companies that use FreeBSD internally for recognition. We can leave that to other crowds of people that already mandate in thier charter. *cough* If anything, a screaming horde at hotmail's doorstop will leave many people with a bad taste in thier mouth. please stop. thanks, -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|alfred@freebsd.org] Wintelcom systems administrator and programmer - http://www.wintelcom.net/ [bright@wintelcom.net] > > On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Dan Langille wrote: > > > > > > What you're suggesting would only get someone fired. :) > > > > > > At which company? :) > > > > We are spamming webmaster@hotmail.com now. > > > > -- > > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 5 19: 0:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.surnet.ru (mobil.surnet.ru [195.54.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925001577D; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) Received: (from uucgilh@localhost) by mobil.surnet.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with UUCP id HAA00227; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:56:44 +0600 (UDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cgilh.chel.su (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id HAA03741; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:23:26 +0600 Received: from localhost (ilia@localhost) by localhost.cgu.chel.su (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA00337; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:21:03 +0600 (ESS) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.cgu.chel.su: ilia owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:21:03 +0600 (ESS) From: Ilia Chipitsine X-Sender: ilia@localhost.cgu.chel.su To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: webmaster@hotmail.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: <94298.936562831@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG well, that's Monday already. Let us wait for an answer from them. If they managed how to make it run (2000 machines) for an year ... I think there would be no problem to find a job. Regards, (Наилучшие пожелания) Ilia Chipitsine (Илья Шипицин) On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > (this letter is addressed to webmaster/webmistress of Hotmail, copy of it > > is posted to questions@FreeBSD.ORG and advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) > > Don't you know that Hotmail is owned by Microsoft? > > What you're suggesting would only get someone fired. :) > > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 5 20: 6: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5C2614E1A for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@black.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Slashdot-like site To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:05:23 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Kenneth Henry" Content-Type: text Content-Length: 329 Message-Id: <19990906030603.A5C2614E1A@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, It is my impression that the new advocacy site (freebsd.tesserae.com) aims to be a slashdot-like site for FreeBSD. I would like to draw your attention to a site that already exists and is *very* slashdot-like (in fact I suspect it uses the same back-end): http://osonline.org/bsd/ Thought you might be interested. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 4:55:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5901554D for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 04:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id HAA17156; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909061149.HAA17156@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Michael Kenneth Henry" Cc: "Advocacy List" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 07:50:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Slashdot-like site Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:05:23 +1000 (EST), Michael Kenneth Henry wrote: >site that already exists and is *very* slashdot-like >(in fact I suspect it uses the same back-end): The author claims to have written this on PHP himself. Also isn't Slasdot in Perl? > http://osonline.org/bsd/ >Thought you might be interested. Very nice site.. but I can only wonder why this person would maintain such site and not be in the BSD lists.. specially in the advocacy list. He obviously has FreeBSD users.. Someone recently put a message on there about the change in the CVS tree to 3.3 Regarding been slashdot like.. Slashdot really has defined how drive by news sites are presented, just as Yahoo defined how portals look. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 7:25:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDC0151D8 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18960; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:29:33 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13761; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 13:07:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 13:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Ilia Chipitsine Subject: RE: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Sep-99 Ilia Chipitsine wrote: > (this letter is addressed to webmaster/webmistress of Hotmail, copy of it > is posted to questions@FreeBSD.ORG and advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) > > Dear Webmaster, > > It's no surprize for me that Hotmail runs 2000 of servers with FreeBSD. > I also has an account @ hotmail.com, so I'm interested person :-) > > What about putting "powered by FreeBSD" at the www.hotmail.com ?! > I do not want this letter to be negative, but having that logo on the > Web-page will show some respect to FreeBSD Inc. Also it will help to > promote FreeBSD. You probably should have Bcc:'d advocacy@, rather than Cc'd. However, it's no surprise to me that Hotmail does not openly announce that it runs FreeBSD, because it is owned by Microsoft. Or they may just want to keep a "clean image" for their front-end webpage and not confuse people who wonder WTF FreeBSD is. -- Will Andrews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 7:51:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C326F14E58 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:51:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6E20D1C24; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8583817; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:54:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Will Andrews Cc: Ilia Chipitsine , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Will Andrews wrote: > You probably should have Bcc:'d advocacy@, rather than Cc'd. However, it's no > surprise to me that Hotmail does not openly announce that it runs FreeBSD, > because it is owned by Microsoft. Other way around. BCC:ing hotmail would result in no responses going to hotmail. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 8: 3:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50791552D for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24709; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:07:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03698; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:02:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Bill Fumerola Subject: RE: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Sep-99 Bill Fumerola wrote: > Other way around. BCC:ing hotmail would result in no responses going to > hotmail. How about BCC:'ing both? Or even sending separate emails would have been beter. -- Will Andrews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 10:11:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.surnet.ru (mobil.surnet.ru [195.54.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0DB15424 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) Received: (from uucgilh@localhost) by mobil.surnet.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with UUCP id WAA07227; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:57:45 +0600 (UDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cgilh.chel.su (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id WAA01099; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:29:36 +0600 Received: from localhost (ilia@localhost) by localhost.cgu.chel.su (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA00379; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:30:54 +0600 (ESS) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.cgu.chel.su: ilia owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:30:54 +0600 (ESS) From: Ilia Chipitsine X-Sender: ilia@localhost.cgu.chel.su To: Will Andrews Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, webmaster@hotmail.com Subject: RE: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Will Andrews wrote: > On 05-Sep-99 Ilia Chipitsine wrote: > > (this letter is addressed to webmaster/webmistress of Hotmail, copy of it > > is posted to questions@FreeBSD.ORG and advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) > > > > Dear Webmaster, > > > > It's no surprize for me that Hotmail runs 2000 of servers with FreeBSD. > > I also has an account @ hotmail.com, so I'm interested person :-) > > > > What about putting "powered by FreeBSD" at the www.hotmail.com ?! > > I do not want this letter to be negative, but having that logo on the > > Web-page will show some respect to FreeBSD Inc. Also it will help to > > promote FreeBSD. > > You probably should have Bcc:'d advocacy@, rather than Cc'd. However, it's no > surprise to me that Hotmail does not openly announce that it runs FreeBSD, > because it is owned by Microsoft. and so what ? if Microsoft doesn't mind running FreeBSD & Solaris @ Hotmail, why not to have their logo's there ? > > Or they may just want to keep a "clean image" for their front-end webpage and > not confuse people who wonder WTF FreeBSD is. they have already "Microsoft" on that page. Why not to have "Powered by FreeBSD" there ? People ! Think positive ! ... and help each other. my point of view is 1. asking Hotmail people to move to NT _is_ bad. It's not my business what do they want to use, is it ? 2. putting that logo at www.hotmail.com will promote FreeBSD a bit. anyway they have "Microsoft" there already. > > -- > Will Andrews > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 10:14: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D03F15424 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA39755; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D3F749.718A236@owp.csus.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 17:18:01 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Kenneth Henry Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot-like site References: <19990906030603.A5C2614E1A@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Kenneth Henry wrote: > > Hi all, > > It is my impression that the new advocacy site > (freebsd.tesserae.com) aims to be a slashdot-like site > for FreeBSD. I would like to draw your attention to a > site that already exists and is *very* slashdot-like > (in fact I suspect it uses the same back-end): > > http://osonline.org/bsd/ > > Thought you might be interested. Hummm. I hadn't ever come across that site before. Although I thought it was interesting that when I tried http://osonline.org/ it defaults to /linux/ :-) As someone has already pointed out, the author claims that he wrote the site himself in PHP. Slashdot is written in Perl ( last time I looked anyway :-) If you have suggestions for freebsd.tesserae.com you can email advocacy@freebsd.tesserae.com with ideas comments, gripes, uplifting statements, etc. We've been working on adding new features to the site and realize that many of the features that slashdot has are what people want. We'd also like to hear how you might like those features to be done, and which ones you don't feel are important. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 10:28: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E118514DC9 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:27:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA39789 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D3FA8C.ABACBACE@owp.csus.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 17:31:56 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: hotmail "rumored" to run FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to this article in Linux today : http://linuxtoday.com/stories/9540.html Hotmail is only "rumored" to run FreeBSD. Here's the quote from the story : Well, given the recent Hotmail scandal and surrounding controversy, I guess I was wrong. It looks like their server problems are just as bad as their client problems. Worse maybe. Yeah, I know that Hotmail is rumored to run on FreeBSD and Apache. I also know that I can purchase the best darn alarm system for my car, and leave it parked with the door open and the keys in it in downtown Cleveland. I'm not exactly sure what he's trying to get across here. But at any rate can some one who knows personally that Hotmail uses FreeBSD email the author : Paul Ferris paulferris@linuxtoday.com and make sure he's clear on his "rumors". Thanks. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 10:36:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6384C15AFB for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id NAA09690; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909061735.NAA09690@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Joseph Scott" , "Michael Kenneth Henry" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:34:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Slashdot-like site Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 17:18:01 +0000, Joseph Scott wrote: >> http://osonline.org/bsd/ >> > Hummm. I hadn't ever come across that site before Had anyone in this list seen this site before? >it was interesting that when I tried http://osonline.org/ it defaults to >/linux/ :-) Even more interesting.. guess what netcraft reports the site run on? FreeBSD. :-) >advocacy@freebsd.tesserae.com with ideas comments, gripes, uplifting >statements, etc. One thing that we need to define whether this site will be advocacy/news or just advocacy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 10:40:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E780154BA for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA07839; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 03:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:56:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Ilia Chipitsine Cc: Will Andrews , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Ilia Chipitsine wrote: > On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Will Andrews wrote: > > > On 05-Sep-99 Ilia Chipitsine wrote: > > > (this letter is addressed to webmaster/webmistress of Hotmail, copy of it > > > is posted to questions@FreeBSD.ORG and advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) > > > > > > Dear Webmaster, > > > > > > It's no surprize for me that Hotmail runs 2000 of servers with FreeBSD. > > > I also has an account @ hotmail.com, so I'm interested person :-) > > > > > > What about putting "powered by FreeBSD" at the www.hotmail.com ?! > > > I do not want this letter to be negative, but having that logo on the > > > Web-page will show some respect to FreeBSD Inc. Also it will help to > > > promote FreeBSD. > > > > You probably should have Bcc:'d advocacy@, rather than Cc'd. However, it's no > > surprise to me that Hotmail does not openly announce that it runs FreeBSD, > > because it is owned by Microsoft. > > and so what ? if Microsoft doesn't mind running FreeBSD & Solaris @ > Hotmail, why not to have their logo's there ? Because the software is FREE, and they don't have to. simple as. > > Or they may just want to keep a "clean image" for their front-end webpage and > > not confuse people who wonder WTF FreeBSD is. > > they have already "Microsoft" on that page. Why not to have "Powered by > FreeBSD" there ? People ! Think positive ! ... and help each other. > > my point of view is > > 1. asking Hotmail people to move to NT _is_ bad. It's not my business what > do they want to use, is it ? > > 2. putting that logo at www.hotmail.com will promote FreeBSD a bit. > anyway they have "Microsoft" there already. my point of view is: keep annoying them and raise a big stink and they WILL replace it with NT and put up some page trolling about the evils of Unix and how irritating open source fanatics are. not only that, but you scare away potential other users of FreeBSD: "I'd use freebsd, but if I get several thousand emails from advocates about where and how I should be 'giving back' for free software... well that's just not my bag baby..." I know this is somehow well intentioned, but it doesn't seem to be in the best interest of FreeBSD to me. Trust me, _my_ company is putting up "Powered by FreeBSD" logos, we just need to get some more html done, what we don't need is a multitude of emails bothering us because we've been too busy to get down to it. Personally, if you had emailed webmaster here, I would have told you to go soak your head. I hope you stop this, there's a difference between shooting off an email to a company asking "is there a freebsd version in the works?", and harrassing them on a public mailing list. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 12:30: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B625155F0 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09166; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:34:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12346; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:29:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Ilia Chipitsine Subject: RE: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The simple fact that your reply to me was CC'd to webmaster@hotmail.com shows your lack of netiquette. I suggest that you get off this mailing list now before you piss off anyone else. Optionally, you can go read about netiquette on FreeBSD (and other) mailing lists at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. On 06-Sep-99 Ilia Chipitsine wrote: > and so what ? if Microsoft doesn't mind running FreeBSD & Solaris @ > Hotmail, why not to have their logo's there ? Microsoft doesn't have to. That's why. > they have already "Microsoft" on that page. Why not to have "Powered by > FreeBSD" there ? People ! Think positive ! ... and help each other. The average schmu..err.. person on earth has heard of Microsoft. On the other hand, if you ask a random person in Times Square about FreeBSD, your average reply will be "What's that?". > 1. asking Hotmail people to move to NT _is_ bad. It's not my business what > do they want to use, is it ? It's their choice whether they move to NT or not. Personally, I don't give a rat's behind since I don't use their services. > 2. putting that logo at www.hotmail.com will promote FreeBSD a bit. > anyway they have "Microsoft" there already. Stop reinventing the wheel. They don't have to. If they want to, hip hip hooray for them. I suggest that you end this thread here, now. -- Will Andrews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 12:32:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.psn.net (saturn.psn.net [207.211.58.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1809B154F4 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:32:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (5042-243.008.popsite.net [209.224.140.243]) by saturn.psn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09543; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:37:04 -0700 (MST) Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12408; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:32:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37D3FA8C.ABACBACE@owp.csus.edu> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 15:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Joseph Scott Subject: RE: hotmail "rumored" to run FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 06-Sep-99 Joseph Scott wrote: > > According to this article in Linux today : > > http://linuxtoday.com/stories/9540.html > > Hotmail is only "rumored" to run FreeBSD. Here's the quote from the > story : It's a fact that Hotmail uses FreeBSD. I know somebody who works there, and she said that they use FreeBSD on about 3,000+ machines. (No, I won't tell you who she is.) I don't personally know that they do, however. -- Will Andrews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 12:34:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.141.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4A514DD0 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08411; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:05:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dragon.ham.muohio.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:05:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Howard X-Sender: howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu To: Joseph Scott Cc: Michael Kenneth Henry , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slashdot-like site In-Reply-To: <37D3F749.718A236@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Joseph Scott wrote: > Hummm. I hadn't ever come across that site before. Although I thought > it was interesting that when I tried http://osonline.org/ it defaults to > /linux/ :-) For me, it seemed to default to which ever you last went to. It was very odd because I first, I thought it defauled to Amiga. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 12:52:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABC015A60 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 9AA65F818; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FBDE9B1C; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: jedgar@pawn.primelocation.net To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Caldera? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199909061920.MAA20430@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Moved to -advocacy... On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > 12 years of development That depends on your point of view. FreeBSD has been in existence since 1993 with the first release in 1994, which is like 5 or 6 years[1]. Your '12 years' is around 1987, 4.3/2.10BSD era[2]. However, one can argue about FreeBSD's direct lineage with the original BSD, so perhaps the split in 1976 from 6th Edition is more appropriate[2], giving about 23 years. Of course, one can argue that in splitting from Version 6, FreeBSD/BSD's lineage goes to 1st Edition in 1969, giving about 30 years. I'm sure someone will bring up the argument of the Novell/Berkeley lawsuit and how you cannot claim the lineage with the encumbered sources removed. IMO I believe you can since it's development did start with Version 6...etc...etc... [1] http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/history.html [2] Design and Implementation of 4.4BSD, pp.5-6 ----- Chris D. Faulhaber | All the true gurus I've met never System/Network Administrator, | claimed they were one, and always Reality Check Information, Inc. | pointed to someone better. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 14:45:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545C115498 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA74632; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:44:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Ilia Chipitsine Cc: Will Andrews , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, webmaster@hotmail.com Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:30:54 +0600." Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:44:14 -0700 Message-ID: <74628.936654254@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > and so what ? if Microsoft doesn't mind running FreeBSD & Solaris @ > Hotmail, why not to have their logo's there ? PLEASE, just end this thread! It's a stupid idea, the people at Hotmail don't need to be pestered over it and I'm starting to regret even being associated with the thread in any way since I'm sure the poor hotmail webmaster/webmistress is starting to wonder what he or she did wrong to get spammed like this. Microsoft will NEVER allow a "powered by FreeBSD" logo on their page and just take my word for it since I know the politics there and you do not (you're in the former soviet union and have never even *seen* hotmail's setup, much less know the internal politics). Enough! You're not doing FreeBSD's advocacy any good with this thread and if you continue, I'll start to wonder if you're not in fact trying to do it harm. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 14:51:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9327158CF for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: from localhost (pwiley@localhost) by freebsd.tesserae.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09924; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Joseph Scott , Michael Kenneth Henry , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Slashdot-like site In-Reply-To: <199909061735.NAA09690@arutam.inch.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One thing that we need to define whether this site will be > advocacy/news or just advocacy. http://freebsd.tesserae.com is intended to be an advocacy site. For FreeBSD it seems that alot of advocacy stuff comes from articles and news. Release announcements, new commercial software, and "FreeBSD is good" articles seem to make up 95% of advocacy work for FreeBSD. So, on that note, We decided to put news on the front page of the site. It will give people an idea what is going on with FreeBSD and allow them to see the great new things that are happening with FreeBSD. News is advocacy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 15:38: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B9514DE0 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id SAA02934; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909062237.SAA02934@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Joseph Scott" , "Michael Kenneth Henry" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:36:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Purpose of Advocacy site Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT), Preston S. Wiley II wrote: >http://freebsd.tesserae.com is intended to be an advocacy site. For >FreeBSD it seems that alot of advocacy stuff comes from articles and news. Not all news is advocacy and not all advocacy is news. >Release announcements, I have always wondered why freebsd.org doesn't have info about upcoming releases. In particular since this is usually discussed/asked in the lists. Of all the places that cover FreeBSD that should be the one place that should have this info... why? because new users will ask till they find out about FreeBSD release schedules, but they may not be in a list yet, because people who are only thinking about BSD may be best served if they new they may be better off waiting a week or two to go with the new version (specially before a change as drastic as was 2.X to 3.X were we went from a.out to elf...). >new commercial software, and "FreeBSD is good" >articles seem to make up 95% of advocacy work for FreeBSD. So maybe the site should be "FreeBSDnews.org" instead of Advocacy? After all if 95% of what will be there is news why not focus on it that way? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 16: 2:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751D015475 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA52388; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:53:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:53:01 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Ilia Chipitsine , Will Andrews , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! Message-ID: <19990906215301.A51709@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Alfred Perlstein on Mon, Sep 06, 1999 at 10:56:21AM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 06, 1999 at 10:56:21AM +0000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Ilia Chipitsine wrote: > > my point of view is > > > > 1. asking Hotmail people to move to NT _is_ bad. It's not my business what > > do they want to use, is it ? > > > > 2. putting that logo at www.hotmail.com will promote FreeBSD a bit. > > anyway they have "Microsoft" there already. > > my point of view is: > > keep annoying them and raise a big stink and they WILL replace it > with NT and put up some page trolling about the evils of Unix and > how irritating open source fanatics are. Whoah, hang on a second here. Unless I'm missing something on some other list, all Ilia has done is send a personal message to Hotmail asking them if they'd put the "Powered By" logo on their page. Ilia didn't claim to be speaking on behalf of FreeBSD Inc., or send hundreds of messages demanding the same thing, or try and fill out every field in an online questionaire with the word "FreeBSD", so what's the harm? OK, so cc'ing it to advocacy is possibly not the best thing to have done, but I don't see any evidence here of ill-intention on Ilia's part. What I do see is someone who's so impressed with their OS that they've taken the time to drop a short note to the (probably somewhat busy at the moment :-) ) Hotmail admins. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 20:55:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.zuhause.org (c2-178.xtlab.com [205.215.217.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4077915168 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:55:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: by mail.zuhause.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 08E817C31; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:54:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce Albrecht MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14292.35940.914193.704684@celery.zuhause.org> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:54:12 -0500 (CDT) To: Ilia Chipitsine Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Subject: RE: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ilia Chipitsine writes: > and so what ? if Microsoft doesn't mind running FreeBSD & Solaris @ > Hotmail, why not to have their logo's there ? Please stop cc'ing webmaster@hotmail.com. The reason why is that Microsoft is unwilling to advertise that they're using a competitor's product (and, as far as Microsoft is concerning, both Solaris and FreeBSD are competitors to NT). To publically acknowledge it would be tantamount to Microsoft admitting that NT is not the best platform for some applications, which is totally contrary to all of their marketing and advertising for the last 5 years. It doesn't matter that Microsoft bought Hotmail, and is just using the setup that was working when they bought it, it's part of Microsoft now, and has to toe the Microsoft party line. Just drop this thread. It's like asking the Russian Communist Party to publically state that Boris Yeltsin has been the best prime minister that Russia/USSR has had in the last 50 years. It's not going to happen and asking is just going to make people angry with you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 6 21:13:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.zuhause.org (c2-178.xtlab.com [205.215.217.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DDE15517 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: by mail.zuhause.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 222817C32; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:12:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce Albrecht MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14292.37029.984378.942194@celery.zuhause.org> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:12:21 -0500 (CDT) To: Ilia Chipitsine , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! In-Reply-To: <14292.35940.914193.704684@celery.zuhause.org> References: <14292.35940.914193.704684@celery.zuhause.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Albrecht writes: > Just drop this thread. It's like asking the Russian Communist Party > to publically state that Boris Yeltsin has been the best prime > minister that Russia/USSR has had in the last 50 years. It's not > going to happen and asking is just going to make people angry with you. Oops. Boris Yeltsin, is, of course, President of Russia, and the leaders of the USSR were all the Chairman of the Communist Party, so change that to the greatest leader that Russia/USSR has had in the last 50 years. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 7 5:59: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E6C14D1D for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 05:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA09167; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:42:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990907144243.B7852@foobar.franken.de> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:42:43 +0200 From: Harold Gutch To: Will Andrews , Bill Fumerola Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Will Andrews on Mon, Sep 06, 1999 at 11:02:35AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 06, 1999 at 11:02:35AM -0400, Will Andrews wrote: > On 06-Sep-99 Bill Fumerola wrote: > > Other way around. BCC:ing hotmail would result in no responses going to > > hotmail. > > How about BCC:'ing both? Or even sending separate emails would have been beter. > Send a normal email to hotmail and forward this mail to -advocacy, that way no replies from the mailing list will go to hotmail and webmaster.com wouldn't even see that freebsd-advocacy was involved in any way in the original mail. bye, Harold -- Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of caffein. Wed Mar 4 04:53:33 CET 1998 #unix, ircnet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 7 6:14:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tucows.com (mail.tucows.com [208.229.216.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D51C14F0B for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arthur@tucows.com) Received: from Arthur.Linuxberg (starwars.linuxberg.org [208.229.216.41]) by mail.tucows.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25364; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:12:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (arthur@localhost) by Arthur.Linuxberg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03990; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:12:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Arthur.Linuxberg: arthur owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:12:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" X-Sender: arthur@Arthur.Linuxberg To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: Francisco Reyes , Joseph Scott , Michael Kenneth Henry , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: The real way to advocate (Was: Re: Slashdot-like site) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like FreeBSD advocacy. Its subtle, keeps to the facts, and stays away from "because sucks" arguments. Its one reason I switched to FreeBSD in the first place. Arthur H. Johnson II http://www.linuxberg.com Linuxberg Manager arthur@tucows.com On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Preston S. Wiley II wrote: > > One thing that we need to define whether this site will be > > advocacy/news or just advocacy. > > http://freebsd.tesserae.com is intended to be an advocacy site. For > FreeBSD it seems that alot of advocacy stuff comes from articles and news. > Release announcements, new commercial software, and "FreeBSD is good" > articles seem to make up 95% of advocacy work for FreeBSD. So, on that > note, We decided to put news on the front page of the site. It will give > people an idea what is going on with FreeBSD and allow them to see the > great new things that are happening with FreeBSD. News is advocacy. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. > Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 > pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 > 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 7 10:13:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hamhae.wdb.co.kr (hamhae.wdb.co.kr [210.92.121.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2D614CBE for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 10:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjh@hamhae.wdb.co.kr) Received: (from cjh@localhost) by hamhae.wdb.co.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA65920; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:11:45 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from cjh) To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: `Learning FreeBSD'? From: "CHOI, Junho" Date: 08 Sep 1999 02:11:45 +0900 Message-ID: <86emgad4tq.fsf@hamhae.wdb.co.kr> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG O'Reilly website(ora.com) has information of newly introduced "Learning Debian GNU/Linux" and "Learning Red Hat Linux" in October and September. Someone has plan to write 'Learning FreeBSD' or something? It will be a interesting book for us and I hope to have a chance to translate it :) Yes, I know there is 'Complete FreeBSD'. But books from a influential company such as O'Reilly will be more effective. Without their nutshells, I am still ignorant of elisp, sed, awk, perl and python... -- ** Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my employers ** CHOI, Junho - Korea FreeBSD Users Group - Web Data Bank Co. Seoul., ROK. (+82-2-554-9676) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 7 11: 1:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.surnet.ru (mobil.surnet.ru [195.54.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F04715569 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) Received: (from uucgilh@localhost) by mobil.surnet.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with UUCP id XAA11912 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:58:42 +0600 (UDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cgilh.chel.su (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id WAA01225 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:56:11 +0600 Received: from localhost (ilia@localhost) by localhost.cgu.chel.su (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA00267 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:43:02 +0600 (ESS) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.cgu.chel.su: ilia owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:43:01 +0600 (ESS) From: Ilia Chipitsine X-Sender: ilia@localhost.cgu.chel.su To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: just in my own defence (Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?!) In-Reply-To: <74628.936654254@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 1. boys and girls, I quit. (under your pressure :-) 2. Jordan, leave just "have never even *seen*", you might be very mistaken about the rest. It has nothing to do with former Soviet Union. 3. You're trying to convince me that Microsoft does hate *nix. If I really hate Friesian, I will never have any Friesian in my home. Since it's been happening you're obviously missing something. See "4". 4. You made me work on ~/.signature file :-) I'll include something like "P.S. unless it's said explicitly I'm speaking only for myself". My English is pretty far from any English, so your suggestions are welcome. 5. It was not about 'giving back' in any sence , it was about 'doing a favour'. That makes difference. 6. it's over. please, do not cc to the list, write to me directly once you're ready to say Hi. This thead is over once for the time being. Regards, (Наилучшие пожелания) Ilia Chipitsine (Илья Шипицин) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 8 20: 2:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netwalk.com (mail.netwalk.com [216.69.192.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF61155BB for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:02:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from pokey.local.net (root@tcs5-60.arl.netwalk.net [216.69.201.60]) by mail.netwalk.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27953 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:01:24 -0400 Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA42493 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:01:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Company offering FreeBSD on custom built servers. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I though that people might find this interesting: http://www.rackspace.com/products/pricing.php3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 8 20:40:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24EC151CC for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11385; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909090339.UAA11385@implode.root.com> To: jmutter@netwalk.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Company offering FreeBSD on custom built servers. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:07:44 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:39:37 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I though that people might find this interesting: > >http://www.rackspace.com/products/pricing.php3 It appears that they only offer leasing (actually more like rental) options for custom servers. Of course TeraSolutions (my company) builds custom FreeBSD servers and RAID storage systems, with the system tuned for out of the box high load use. We actually sell the equipment, though, but can arrange leasing through outside finance companies. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 8 20:49:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B3315580 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06361; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: jmutter@netwalk.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Company offering FreeBSD on custom built servers. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:07:44 EDT." Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: <6357.936848930@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I though that people might find this interesting: > > http://www.rackspace.com/products/pricing.php3 What I find most "interesting" is the fact that their choice-box for "OS" says: "For optimum reliability, Rackspace reccommends RedHat Linux 5.2 as your operating system." What's *that* all about? What horror stories did they get for FreeBSD 3.2 that led to such a conclusion, and were any verified and/or experienced by this particular vendor. And if there weren't horror stories, then what else might be the motivation behind a statement like that? All interesting questions... In any case, not exactly a URL I'll be using for advocacy purposes until I find out. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 8 21:28:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dns02.arpa-canada.net (dns02.arpa-canada.net [209.104.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E77A156C4 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@MLINK.NET) Received: (qmail 42878 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Sep 1999 04:28:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 04:28:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: matt X-Sender: matt@dns02.arpa-canada.net To: FreeBSD-ADVOCACY Subject: Re: Company offering FreeBSD on custom built servers. In-Reply-To: <6357.936848930@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: [...] : What I find most "interesting" is the fact that their choice-box : for "OS" says: : : "For optimum reliability, Rackspace reccommends RedHat Linux 5.2 as : your operating system." This would be disinformation that happens to be floating about everywhere now that RedHat has gone commercial.. : What's *that* all about? What horror stories did they get for FreeBSD : 3.2 that led to such a conclusion, and were any verified and/or : experienced by this particular vendor. And if there weren't horror : stories, then what else might be the motivation behind a statement : like that? I doubt any horror stories have been heard, I honest have never heard anyone dissatisfied with FreeBSD's performance if they've ever used it. The motivation would seem to be money, RedHat is commercial, and has commercial appeal due to it's support for more commercial applications then most UNIX based O/S with the possible exception of Solaris. : All interesting questions... In any case, not exactly a URL I'll be : using for advocacy purposes until I find out. :) I agree totally. : - Jordan -- // Matt Heckaman: matt@mlink.net -OR- admin@arpa-canada.net // // System Administrator/Owner: http://www.arpa-canada.net // To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 8 21:52:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from genesis.setjmp.net (genesis.setjmp.net [208.13.245.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57091551A for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Received: from Apophis (eric@[10.0.0.193]) by genesis.setjmp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA24559 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:51:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Message-ID: <00a501befa7e$ab428800$c100000a@cfpower.com> Reply-To: "Eric A. Griff" From: "Eric A. Griff" To: References: Subject: Re: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:49:14 -0400 Organization: CFPower MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hehe, Actually, I think a user, saying please, ain't a bad idea =) A user initiated thingie.. Though it should be with tact, and in a very friendly tone.. And shouldn't be CC'd elsewhere. I learned that a couple of months ago approaching Allaire RE: FreeBSD. I am finally gaining some face to directly approach them again =) Also was a little too personal, as I didn't realise that JJ, and Jereme Allaire are 2 different people, hehe. Of course lets all look at the positive here. We had an issue, and a lot of input came in that can help us better do things in the future.. Maybe a FAQ on Advocacy... What to do, and what not to do would be good, allowing a single point where all can look/refer to see what has been good, and what not in the future =) Eric A. Griff setjmp Software (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ilia Chipitsine To: Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, September 05, 1999 10:37 AM Subject: "Powered by FreeBSD" logo at www.hotmail.com ?! > (this letter is addressed to webmaster/webmistress of Hotmail, copy of it > is posted to questions@FreeBSD.ORG and advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) > > Dear Webmaster, > > It's no surprize for me that Hotmail runs 2000 of servers with FreeBSD. > I also has an account @ hotmail.com, so I'm interested person :-) > > What about putting "powered by FreeBSD" at the www.hotmail.com ?! > I do not want this letter to be negative, but having that logo on the > Web-page will show some respect to FreeBSD Inc. Also it will help to > promote FreeBSD. > > Regards, (Наилучшие пожелания) > > Ilia Chipitsine (Илья Шипицин) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 8 23:15:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from genesis.setjmp.net (genesis.setjmp.net [208.13.245.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5B91517D; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@setjmp.com) Received: from Apophis (eric@[10.0.0.193]) by genesis.setjmp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA24944; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:14:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eric@setjmp.com) Message-ID: <00ab01befa8a$44cba460$c100000a@cfpower.com> From: "Eric A. Griff" To: , , Subject: Sangoma Wanpipe Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:12:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, Sort of off topic, though thought it might bring about some positive response and ideas here... I've successfully avoided a Cisco solution (though not the ADC kentrox one =( ) recently with the Sangoma Wanpipe using FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE (cvsupped last week). Time permitting, I intend to put together an article about this and submitting it to a few places.. This could make FreeBSD look better in the view of the coder that isn't core member material, though capable when needed. Being a little rusty on basic kernel tweaking, it took me about 2 hours total to come to the conclusion that /usr/include/sys/file.h changed the parameters changed slightly in file->filops->fo_read, and that I needed to add a fourth parameter, O_RDONLY, to get it working again =) Could probably have been done in 2 minutes by someone that regularly has there head deep in the FreeBSD kernel sources =) At the same time, sangoma is short on programmers, and hasn't someone to devote to FreeBSD/linux.. The linux community has helped them... Dave MandelSomething (Sales, not the other dave in sales =) at sangoma expressed interest in FreeBSD side help. For more info on there products, see www.sangoma.com. The particular card I used was the S508. Had to still use a ADC kentrox CSU/DSU since the network was splitting 2 channels data(128k), 18 voice, and 4 unused at this time. If it was full data use of the T1, for another $330, would have had a built in CSU/DSU (for a total of $880 or so, plus the cost to build the PC). I don't think it would take to much to match the tools they have for NT, on FreeBSD. Further, I think picoBSD could be used to make a better troubleshooting program on a disk that might help better help debug issues between external CSU/DSU, and the wanpipe. I am going to give them the updated code later today, and talk about if it could be included in the FreeBSD distrib.. CORE: Could this be added by someone b4 3.3 if they agree? Would probably lead to a little more coverage on there home page as well.. They aren't a bad company, and the Wanpipe ptpipe driver worked pretty good, along with the card =).. The main changes are sys/i386/isa/ptpipe.[ch], and an entry in sys/i386/conf/files.i386, and of course a line in the KERNEL CONFIG file. FreeBSD - making routers out of PC's =) Eric A. Griff setjmp Software (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 11:17:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156B14EC0; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 68BFD1D88; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654453889; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: More press In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [redirected to -advocacy where this belonged first off] On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > There is a short but sweet[1] article on ZDNet today regarding FreeBSD: > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,3656,2324624,00.html > > Not too in-depth, but it gives a good quick overview, calling FreeBSD a > true Unix, emphasizing it's history compared to Linux. From a link on that page: At this point, for most purposes, there's no real difference between Linux and BSD. Neither one is necessarily better than the other. You should choose based on your own preferences and what kind of support is available to you. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 11:40:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [194.126.80.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A40015203 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p20s08a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.232.33] helo=marder-1.) by sand4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11P96V-0001wL-00; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:39:28 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id TAA01095; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:31:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:31:24 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Bill Fumerola Cc: "Chris D. Faulhaber" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More press Message-ID: <19990909193124.A280@marder-1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Bill Fumerola on Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:20:18PM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:20:18PM -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > [redirected to -advocacy where this belonged first off] > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > > > There is a short but sweet[1] article on ZDNet today regarding FreeBSD: > > > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,3656,2324624,00.html > > > > Not too in-depth, but it gives a good quick overview, calling FreeBSD a > > true Unix, emphasizing it's history compared to Linux. > > >From a link on that page: > > At this point, for most purposes, there's no real difference > between Linux and BSD. Neither one is necessarily better than the > other. You should choose based on your own preferences and what > kind of support is available to you. > From futher down on the same link: But remember, truly portable Unix software runs on both platforms just fine. Err, since when did Linux have FreeBSD binary compatibility? I guess they must mean "truly portable Unix source compiles and runs on both platforms" I really like the last sentence though: The important thing is to learn some flavor of Unix because, in many ways, it's the operating system of the future. Does Billy G read these columns I wonder? > -- > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 11:51: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tucows.com (mail.tucows.com [208.229.216.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4066A14E7A for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arthur@tucows.com) Received: from Arthur.Linuxberg (starwars.linuxberg.org [208.229.216.41]) by mail.tucows.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27589; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:50:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (arthur@localhost) by Arthur.Linuxberg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00313; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Arthur.Linuxberg: arthur owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:50:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" X-Sender: arthur@Arthur.Linuxberg To: Mark Ovens Cc: Bill Fumerola , "Chris D. Faulhaber" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More press In-Reply-To: <19990909193124.A280@marder-1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Im sure he knows it. "Windows 2005: Now includes a command processo Arthur H. Johnson II http://www.linuxberg.com Linuxberg Manager arthur@tucows.com On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:20:18PM -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > > [redirected to -advocacy where this belonged first off] > > > > On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: > > > > > There is a short but sweet[1] article on ZDNet today regarding FreeBSD: > > > > > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/screensavers/answerstips/story/0,3656,2324624,00.html > > > > > > Not too in-depth, but it gives a good quick overview, calling FreeBSD a > > > true Unix, emphasizing it's history compared to Linux. > > > > >From a link on that page: > > > > At this point, for most purposes, there's no real difference > > between Linux and BSD. Neither one is necessarily better than the > > other. You should choose based on your own preferences and what > > kind of support is available to you. > > > > >From futher down on the same link: > > But remember, truly portable Unix software runs on both > platforms just fine. > > Err, since when did Linux have FreeBSD binary compatibility? I guess they must mean "truly portable Unix source compiles and runs on both platforms" > > I really like the last sentence though: > > The important thing is to learn some flavor of Unix because, > in many ways, it's the operating system of the future. > > Does Billy G read these columns I wonder? > > > -- > > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > -- > STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. > OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. > ________________________________________________________________ > FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org > My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ > mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 14:22:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F239B15259 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EF7F03CCE; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:22:04 -0700 From: dannyman To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Advocacy List , Will Andrews Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Message-ID: <19990909142204.G86150@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <199908271153.HAA25207@arutam.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199908271153.HAA25207@arutam.inch.com>; from Francisco Reyes on Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:53:59AM -0400 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:53:59AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > >As for the domain name, I think it's actually better if it remains as > >"freebsd.tesserae.com", or if it takes upon its own domain name. > > How about freebsdadvocacy.com? too crowded looking. I prefer something like freebsd-advocacy.net. Or, in the vein of Slashdot, would could get like, makeinstall.com or makeworld.com, both of which, are, suprisingly, free. > Another possibility: freebsd.com > Currently it just points to freebsd.org FreeBSD, Inc. I thought we was goin' for a "seperate" effort. freebsdadvocate.com? freebsd.net? - "FreeBSD Advocacy Network"? Yeah, still FreeBSD, Inc.'s baby, but needn't be. I'd say their .com should stay with their .company. ;) -danny -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 14:33:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f106.hotmail.com [216.32.181.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 774D9150A8 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poohsannah@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 20267 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 1999 21:32:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990909213256.20266.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.14.227.3 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:32:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.14.227.3] From: "Susannah Howell" To: dannyman@dannyland.org, freyes@inch.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:32:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What about "ProFreeBSD..."? -Suz >From: dannyman >To: Francisco Reyes >CC: Advocacy List , Will Andrews > >Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:22:04 -0700 > >On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:53:59AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > > >As for the domain name, I think it's actually better if it remains as > > >"freebsd.tesserae.com", or if it takes upon its own domain name. > > > > How about freebsdadvocacy.com? > >too crowded looking. I prefer something like freebsd-advocacy.net. > >Or, in the vein of Slashdot, would could get like, makeinstall.com or >makeworld.com, both of which, are, suprisingly, free. > > > Another possibility: freebsd.com > > Currently it just points to freebsd.org > >FreeBSD, Inc. I thought we was goin' for a "seperate" effort. > >freebsdadvocate.com? >freebsd.net? - "FreeBSD Advocacy Network"? Yeah, still FreeBSD, Inc.'s >baby, >but needn't be. I'd say their .com should stay with their .company. ;) > >-danny > >-- >dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 15:21:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FA6156DA for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8C343CCE; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:20:42 -0700 From: dannyman To: Will Andrews Cc: Joseph Scott , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hotmail "rumored" to run FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990909152042.J86150@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <37D3FA8C.ABACBACE@owp.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Will Andrews on Mon, Sep 06, 1999 at 03:32:12PM -0400 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 06, 1999 at 03:32:12PM -0400, Will Andrews wrote: > It's a fact that Hotmail uses FreeBSD. I know somebody who works there, and > she said that they use FreeBSD on about 3,000+ machines. (No, I won't tell > you who she is.) Ditto, only in this case, he is my neighbor. :) -danny -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 15:44:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3163154B0 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA11956; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: David Greenman Cc: jmutter@netwalk.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Company offering FreeBSD on custom built servers. In-Reply-To: <199909090339.UAA11385@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, David Greenman wrote: > >I though that people might find this interesting: > > > >http://www.rackspace.com/products/pricing.php3 > > It appears that they only offer leasing (actually more like rental) options > for custom servers. Of course TeraSolutions (my company) builds custom FreeBSD > servers and RAID storage systems, with the system tuned for out of the box > high load use. We actually sell the equipment, though, but can arrange leasing > through outside finance companies. Just took a look at the TeraSolutions web page and am quite impressed :-). What RAID controller/etc are you using, and how much support does FreeBSD have for it? Also, Dell (and other vendors) has a nice feature where they offer on-site support with varying time guarantees depending on how much you pay--usually through contracters local to the customer--have you considered (or already have) something like this? Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 15:52: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F4114BC9 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:51:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA11983; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:50:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:50:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Susannah Howell Cc: dannyman@dannyland.org, freyes@inch.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <19990909213256.20266.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about www.gofreebsd.{org/net/com}, www.freebsdnow.{org/net/com, www.gobsd.{org/net/com}, or www.bsdnow.{org/net/com}. On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Susannah Howell wrote: > What about "ProFreeBSD..."? > -Suz > > > >From: dannyman > >To: Francisco Reyes > >CC: Advocacy List , Will Andrews > > > >Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! > >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:22:04 -0700 > > > >On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:53:59AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > > > > >As for the domain name, I think it's actually better if it remains as > > > >"freebsd.tesserae.com", or if it takes upon its own domain name. > > > > > > How about freebsdadvocacy.com? > > > >too crowded looking. I prefer something like freebsd-advocacy.net. > > > >Or, in the vein of Slashdot, would could get like, makeinstall.com or > >makeworld.com, both of which, are, suprisingly, free. > > > > > Another possibility: freebsd.com > > > Currently it just points to freebsd.org > > > >FreeBSD, Inc. I thought we was goin' for a "seperate" effort. > > > >freebsdadvocate.com? > >freebsd.net? - "FreeBSD Advocacy Network"? Yeah, still FreeBSD, Inc.'s > >baby, > >but needn't be. I'd say their .com should stay with their .company. ;) > > > >-danny > > > >-- > >dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 16: 1:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9A515891 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14678; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909092259.PAA14678@implode.root.com> To: Robert Watson Cc: jmutter@netwalk.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Company offering FreeBSD on custom built servers. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:44:10 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 15:59:33 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, David Greenman wrote: > >> >I though that people might find this interesting: >> > >> >http://www.rackspace.com/products/pricing.php3 >> >> It appears that they only offer leasing (actually more like rental) options >> for custom servers. Of course TeraSolutions (my company) builds custom FreeBSD >> servers and RAID storage systems, with the system tuned for out of the box >> high load use. We actually sell the equipment, though, but can arrange leasing >> through outside finance companies. > >Just took a look at the TeraSolutions web page and am quite impressed :-). I'm glad for that...what we have up for a web site right now needs serious work according to some people. It's really intended to be a place holder until we can hire someone to do a professional web design. >What RAID controller/etc are you using, and how much support does FreeBSD >have for it? My current favorite is the CMD CRD-5440-104, which is an external SCSI-SCSI RAID controller and works great with FreeBSD. > Also, Dell (and other vendors) has a nice feature where they >offer on-site support with varying time guarantees depending on how much >you pay--usually through contracters local to the customer--have you >considered (or already have) something like this? We're still talking about this internally. Right now we offer your typical 1-2 day response. Our systems usually have a high degree of redundancy built in (dual hot swap power supplies, RAID-5 with hot-swap disk drives, etc), so typical disk/PS failures are already covered. For people that need near zero time response to other types of system failures, we suggest getting a completely redundant server. I can't really see how one could rely on any support contract in a business-critical application. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 16:22:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82829152C7 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id TAA09169; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909092322.TAA09169@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "dannyman" Cc: "Advocacy List" , "Will Andrews" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:20:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:22:04 -0700, dannyman wrote: >Or, in the vein of Slashdot, would could get like, makeinstall.com or >makeworld.com, both of which, are, suprisingly, free. I think makeworld.com is a good one. All in favor raise your bits. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 16:45:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.digicomsystems.net (ns1.digicomsystems.net [206.148.67.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886F514C58; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jramirez@digicomsystems.net) Received: from engineering (engineering.digicomsystems.net [206.148.67.85]) by ns1.digicomsystems.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10137; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:45:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jramirez@digicomsystems.net) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990909183507.00a704d0@ns1.digicomsystems.net> X-Sender: jramirez@ns1.digicomsystems.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:50:53 -0500 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org From: "Jeremy L. Ramirez" Subject: Free BSD CD-sets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get FreeBSD to users that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small price to pay) to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not sure currently) a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use anymore and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I personally have plenty of previous release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing to send to some newbie or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm sure there are others out there with sets that are collecting dust. Comments anyone? -Jeremy Ramirez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 16:49: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9C414C58 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:49:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12248; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:48:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: David Greenman Cc: jmutter@netwalk.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Company offering FreeBSD on custom built servers. In-Reply-To: <199909092259.PAA14678@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, David Greenman wrote: > >Just took a look at the TeraSolutions web page and am quite impressed :-). > > I'm glad for that...what we have up for a web site right now needs serious > work according to some people. It's really intended to be a place holder until > we can hire someone to do a professional web design. I was referring to the content (specifically, the prices/etc)--in a sense, I'd rather have a readable page (like this) than an overblown must-have-cookies-enter-your-email-address-to-continue kind of thing. > >What RAID controller/etc are you using, and how much support does FreeBSD > >have for it? > > My current favorite is the CMD CRD-5440-104, which is an external SCSI-SCSI > RAID controller and works great with FreeBSD. Given that people tend to leave these things unattended, is there a way to monitor for failures of drives in the RAID from software-land (i.e., cause the system to generate an SNMP trap or something)? > > Also, Dell (and other vendors) has a nice feature where they > >offer on-site support with varying time guarantees depending on how much > >you pay--usually through contracters local to the customer--have you > >considered (or already have) something like this? > > We're still talking about this internally. Right now we offer your typical > 1-2 day response. Our systems usually have a high degree of redundancy built > in (dual hot swap power supplies, RAID-5 with hot-swap disk drives, etc), so > typical disk/PS failures are already covered. For people that need near zero > time response to other types of system failures, we suggest getting a > completely redundant server. I can't really see how one could rely on any > support contract in a business-critical application. I'm coming to agree with this philosophy more and more. Are you offering discounts for buying servers in pairs? (less possibly the drives that one would pull from one chassis and pop in the other) :-) Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 17: 2: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C296150E7 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15994 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:00:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAbwaOnF; Thu Sep 9 17:00:42 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21190 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:01:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199909100001.RAA21190@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Forwarded mail... To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:01:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It appears that Checkpoint allows "Infrastructure partners" to do ports of their code to the partner platforms. I'm certain that there is a non-disclosure agreement involved. Checkpoint makes security related products, including firewall and reporting products. They seem to have a high percentage of the firewall marketshare at this point. For anyone who would be interested in volunteering effort on a port of this commercial product to FreeBSD, the following forms would be of interest: http://www.checkpoint.com/opsec/application_master.html http://www.checkpoint.com/opsec/infrastructure_form.html I suspect that they would require a legal entity (e.g. FreeBSD, Inc.) to sign up on this, and that they would require a non-disclosure arrangement with FreeBSD, Inc., for coders willing to participate in a porting effort. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 17:24:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75278150F1 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:24:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA326476; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:23:30 -0700 Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdXC8Oia; Thu Sep 9 17:23:23 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22211; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:23:20 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199909100023.RAA22211@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: A FreeBSD NDA Project proposal To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:23:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You may have already seen my posting about Checkpoint's software, and their apparent willingness to allow people to port code under a non-disclosure agreement -- despite my failure to set a good subject line on it 8-(. In a more general sense, it occurs to me that it would be useful to have a pool of coders willing to work on such projects on behalf of FreeBSD. FreeBSD has a big edge on Linux, in that binary-only software is OK in our community. The intent of this message is to start a dialogue. I'd like to see the following things come out of it: 1) Establish a willingness on the part of some legal entity, perhaps FreeBSD, Inc., to engage in entering into non-disclosure agreements with companies, on behalf of FreeBSD. Note: these agreements could be made with the up front understanding that non-disclosure of source embodying proprietary information of their hardware is binding only until other disclosure has occurred (e.g., if Linux publishes a driver, then FreeBSD could publish a driver, so long as the comments did not document proprietary information). A lawyer would need to write this up. 2) Establish a pool of volunteers (e.g. normal FreeBSD developers and the like) who have entered into similar agreements with the legal entity from #1, so that they can "hit the ground running" when NDA-ed projects that would benefit FreeBSD come up. 3) Provisions in FreeBSD distributions for building kernels containing binary-only components from third parties, most specifically device drivers and other kernel components of various ilk (e.g. "VXFS" from Veritas, Inc.). 4) Designation of a "manager/advocate" role and a person or persons to fill it, perhaps Jordan Hubbard, whose job it is to seek out opportunities for porting of commercial applications, device drivers, and other such software as would be beneficial to the FreeBSD project to have ported, and to enter into the necessary agreements to expedite the volunteer porters efforts. 5) Where possible, agreements should be ongoing, in particular for device driver ports, so that the devices continue to operate on subsequent releases of FreeBSD. Note: This means that it will likely be necessary to restrict the scope of these projects to -RELEASE only, not -CURRENT, although this may not be the case for individual products. 6) The ability for the FreeBSD project to be able to leverage coders who, while not the calibre of John Dyson, et al., would nevertheless contribute what they could to the FreeBSD project, if an opportunity to do so existed. The initial targets for these developers would be companies like Checkpoint, which allow third party porting of their code, under NDA, and without fee, and hardware vendors for which information necessary to write drivers is not available, except under NDA, but without fee. If the fees are nominal, then the "no fee" requirement may be waived, if funding presents itself. I'm interested in opinions and suggested improvements to this proposal; I know that free software fanatics may not take kindly to the idea of accepting non-free software for distribution; if you feel this way, you are, of course, free to not volunteer. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 17:31: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hole.noc.iafrica.com (hole.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6DC1524B; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccrofton@hole.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from ccrofton (helo=localhost) by hole.noc.iafrica.com with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11PEZH-00077o-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:29:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:29:31 +0200 (SAT) From: Charl X-Sender: ccrofton@hole.noc.iafrica.com To: "Jeremy L. Ramirez" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990909183507.00a704d0@ns1.digicomsystems.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Now you say this:)) I just bought the Complete FreeBSD and considering our exchange rate it was scary. If only I had known this previously:)) Well atleast I have the complete set now. On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Jeremy L. Ramirez wrote: > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get > FreeBSD to users > that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small > price to pay) > to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not > sure currently) > a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use > anymore > and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I > personally have plenty of previous > release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing > to send to some newbie > or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm > sure there are others > out there with sets that are collecting dust. > > Comments anyone? > > -Jeremy Ramirez > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 17:38: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AFFB14D85 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@black.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:36:27 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Kenneth Henry" In-Reply-To: <199909092322.TAA09169@arutam.inch.com> from "Francisco Reyes" at Sep 9, 99 07:20:35 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 215 Message-Id: <19990910003756.8AFFB14D85@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Or, in the vein of Slashdot, would could get like, makeinstall.com or > >makeworld.com, both of which, are, suprisingly, free. > > I think makeworld.com is a good one. > > All in favor raise your bits. Aye! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 17:52:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD85152C8 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15056; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909100051.RAA15056@implode.root.com> To: Robert Watson Cc: jmutter@netwalk.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Company offering FreeBSD on custom built servers. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:48:43 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:51:20 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is probably getting outside of the -advocacy charter, so I'll reply privately... -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. >On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, David Greenman wrote: > >> >Just took a look at the TeraSolutions web page and am quite impressed :-). >> >> I'm glad for that...what we have up for a web site right now needs serious >> work according to some people. It's really intended to be a place holder until >> we can hire someone to do a professional web design. > >I was referring to the content (specifically, the prices/etc)--in a sense, >I'd rather have a readable page (like this) than an overblown >must-have-cookies-enter-your-email-address-to-continue kind of thing. > >> >What RAID controller/etc are you using, and how much support does FreeBSD >> >have for it? >> >> My current favorite is the CMD CRD-5440-104, which is an external SCSI-SCSI >> RAID controller and works great with FreeBSD. > >Given that people tend to leave these things unattended, is there a way to >monitor for failures of drives in the RAID from software-land (i.e., cause >the system to generate an SNMP trap or something)? > >> > Also, Dell (and other vendors) has a nice feature where they >> >offer on-site support with varying time guarantees depending on how much >> >you pay--usually through contracters local to the customer--have you >> >considered (or already have) something like this? >> >> We're still talking about this internally. Right now we offer your typical >> 1-2 day response. Our systems usually have a high degree of redundancy built >> in (dual hot swap power supplies, RAID-5 with hot-swap disk drives, etc), so >> typical disk/PS failures are already covered. For people that need near zero >> time response to other types of system failures, we suggest getting a >> completely redundant server. I can't really see how one could rely on any >> support contract in a business-critical application. > >I'm coming to agree with this philosophy more and more. Are you offering >discounts for buying servers in pairs? (less possibly the drives that one >would pull from one chassis and pop in the other) :-) > > Robert N M Watson > >robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ >PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 >TIS Labs at Network Associates, Safeport Network Services > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 18: 7:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B53815A1B; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-048.thuntek.net [207.66.52.48]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id TAA11398; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37D85924.5B2B280F@thuntek.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:04:36 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charl Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For a long time, I advertised on that CD giveaway list. If somebody was in Malaysia or China, I sent them on my dime, probably dropped over a hundred $$$ in air postage. All I asked for was $5 up front for postage from Americans. Many good people got CD's, but I got a lot of flames from a lot of snotnosed little drips here in the US who don't deserve a free pencil, let alone FreeBSD. It's getting to the point that I'm getting embarrassed to be a citizen of this country, it certainly doesn't stand for or represent what I believe in any more. [The FreeBSD Project -- or that portion of it which is American -- excepted completely!] -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 18:15: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hole.noc.iafrica.com (hole.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9BD15C76; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccrofton@hole.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from ccrofton (helo=localhost) by hole.noc.iafrica.com with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11PFGJ-0000DI-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:13:59 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:13:59 +0200 (SAT) From: Charl X-Sender: ccrofton@hole.noc.iafrica.com To: Donald Wilde Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets In-Reply-To: <37D85924.5B2B280F@thuntek.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG CD giveaway list??? WHAT, WHERE, How is this. I must have missed this somehow. On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > For a long time, I advertised on that CD giveaway list. If somebody was > in Malaysia or China, I sent them on my dime, probably dropped over a > hundred $$$ in air postage. All I asked for was $5 up front for postage > from Americans. Many good people got CD's, but I got a lot of flames > from a lot of snotnosed little drips here in the US who don't deserve a > free pencil, let alone FreeBSD. > > It's getting to the point that I'm getting embarrassed to be a citizen > of this country, it certainly doesn't stand for or represent what I > believe in any more. [The FreeBSD Project -- or that portion of it which > is American -- excepted completely!] > -- > Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" > ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== > PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 > Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 18:37: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f185.hotmail.com [216.32.181.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A56D15A1B for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:37:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poohsannah@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 98724 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 01:36:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910013645.98723.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.14.227.19 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:36:44 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.14.227.19] From: "Susannah Coleman" To: robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org, poohsannah@hotmail.com Cc: dannyman@dannyland.org, freyes@inch.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:36:44 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like the sound of , "ProBSD.com" -Suz P.S. Chris likes, "FreeBSDforme..." >From: Robert Watson >Reply-To: Robert Watson >To: Susannah Howell >CC: dannyman@dannyland.org, freyes@inch.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, > andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM >Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:50:37 -0400 (EDT) > > >How about www.gofreebsd.{org/net/com}, >www.freebsdnow.{org/net/com, www.gobsd.{org/net/com}, or >www.bsdnow.{org/net/com}. > >On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Susannah Howell wrote: > > > What about "ProFreeBSD..."? > > -Suz > > > > > > >From: dannyman > > >To: Francisco Reyes > > >CC: Advocacy List , Will Andrews > > > > > >Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! > > >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:22:04 -0700 > > > > > >On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:53:59AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > > > > > > >As for the domain name, I think it's actually better if it remains >as > > > > >"freebsd.tesserae.com", or if it takes upon its own domain name. > > > > > > > > How about freebsdadvocacy.com? > > > > > >too crowded looking. I prefer something like freebsd-advocacy.net. > > > > > >Or, in the vein of Slashdot, would could get like, makeinstall.com or > > >makeworld.com, both of which, are, suprisingly, free. > > > > > > > Another possibility: freebsd.com > > > > Currently it just points to freebsd.org > > > > > >FreeBSD, Inc. I thought we was goin' for a "seperate" effort. > > > > > >freebsdadvocate.com? > > >freebsd.net? - "FreeBSD Advocacy Network"? Yeah, still FreeBSD, >Inc.'s > > >baby, > > >but needn't be. I'd say their .com should stay with their .company. ;) > > > > > >-danny > > > > > >-- > > >dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > > Robert N M Watson > >robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ >PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 >TIS Labs at Network Associates, Safeport Network Services > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 18:40: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBD115143 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id VAA25033; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909100139.VAA25033@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "poohsannah@hotmail.com" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:36:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:36:44 CDT, Susannah Coleman wrote: >I like the sound of , "ProBSD.com" I don't know.... >Chris likes, "FreeBSDforme..." I actually like that one too.. second to 'makeworld.com' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 19: 6: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f171.hotmail.com [216.32.181.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BDF514EAC for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poohsannah@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 22191 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1999 02:05:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990910020548.22190.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.14.227.19 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:05:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.14.227.19] From: "Susannah Coleman" To: freyes@inch.com, poohsannah@hotmail.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:05:47 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From: "Francisco Reyes" >Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" >To: "poohsannah@hotmail.com" >CC: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" >Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! >Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 21:36:01 -0400 > >On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:36:44 CDT, Susannah Coleman wrote: > > >I like the sound of , "ProBSD.com" > >I don't know.... > > >Chris likes, "FreeBSDforme..." > >I actually like that one too.. second to 'makeworld.com' how about this one: "BSD4U.com" What bout ITSUNIX.COM? well,...speaking as a "pre-newbie", I think "makeworld..." has one little hitch...what if someone like me (who has less than a clue) does a web search using "freeBSD"..."makeworld.." wouldn't be at the top of the list for sure. See what I mean? P.S. Chris is laughing at me...because for the first six months of our marriage i kept calling it "FreeBased"....(blush) > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 19:10:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E96D1538D for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 411843CCE; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:10:13 -0700 From: dannyman To: Susannah Coleman Cc: robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org, freyes@inch.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Message-ID: <19990909191012.D63609@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <19990910013645.98723.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990910013645.98723.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Susannah Coleman on Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:36:44PM -0500 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:36:44PM -0500, Susannah Coleman wrote: > > I like the sound of , "ProBSD.com" Shouldn't that be resrved for another BSD split? ;) -d -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 19:59:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9DE15D0D; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-018.thuntek.net [207.66.52.18]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id UAA03425; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37D872E0.DC31E546@thuntek.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:54:24 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charl Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There's a link to it on one of the freebsd resources pages. I forget the link itself now.... well it isn't on Freebsd.org anymore... a quick check on DOGPILE gives me: http://visar.csustan.edu/, Free UNIX Giveaway List :) -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 20:13:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1FAB14D00 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedi@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 25412 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 03:13:24 -0000 Received: from 207-229-172-117.d.enteract.com (HELO arrubin) (207.229.172.117) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 03:13:24 -0000 Message-ID: <003f01befb3a$f6dce820$010210ac@arrubin> From: "Anthony Rubin" To: "dannyman" , "Susannah Coleman" Cc: References: <19990910013645.98723.qmail@hotmail.com> <19990909191012.D63609@stumpy.dannyland.org> Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:17:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think perhaps we should talk to the owners of root.com. Think about it "your site has been rooted" instead of "your site has been slashdotted". Anthony Rubin jedi@enteract.com Hoffman Estates, IL ----- Original Message ----- From: dannyman To: Susannah Coleman Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! > On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:36:44PM -0500, Susannah Coleman wrote: > > > > I like the sound of , "ProBSD.com" > > Shouldn't that be resrved for another BSD split? ;) > > -d > > -- > dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 20:20:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5CA14CB9 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:20:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15627; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909100319.UAA15627@implode.root.com> To: "Anthony Rubin" Cc: "dannyman" , "Susannah Coleman" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:17:06 CDT." <003f01befb3a$f6dce820$010210ac@arrubin> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:19:05 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I think perhaps we should talk to the owners of root.com. Think about it >"your site has been rooted" instead of "your site has been slashdotted". The owner of root.com (me) would rather not go there. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 23:19:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055A152FF for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id IAA26740; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:18:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11POKn-0008Bv-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:55:13 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:55:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Adam Szilveszter To: Susannah Coleman Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! In-Reply-To: <19990910020548.22190.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi everybody! On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Susannah Coleman wrote: > > > >On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:36:44 CDT, Susannah Coleman wrote: > > > > >I like the sound of , "ProBSD.com" > > > >I don't know.... > > > > >Chris likes, "FreeBSDforme..." > > > >I actually like that one too.. second to 'makeworld.com' > > > how about this one: "BSD4U.com" > > What bout ITSUNIX.COM? Well, IMHO all these and the other suggestions look nice enough but they have a problem: some of them seem to suggest that FreeBSD is the only BSD outta there... the last (ITSUNIX.COM) goes even further. I think we should stick to something that has either FreeBSD somewhere in the name (for those who do a search on it directly) or some neutral thing... what I mean is that we should not be taking up the remaining good domain names because other projects will also need one...just because others do it is not a reason to do it yourself. So I suggest "www.FreeBSDnow.org" (not .com because although browsers append that automatically I think that this is *not* a commercial venture and it should show...) Was just wondering though:-) > > well,...speaking as a "pre-newbie", I think "makeworld..." has one little > hitch...what if someone like me (who has less than a clue) does a web search > using "freeBSD"..."makeworld.." wouldn't be at the top of the list for sure. > See what I mean? Yes, that's a problem as well... Greetings: Szilveszter Adam JATE University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 23:44:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D410D150CF for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.51]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAD59A2; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:04 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA71478; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:23:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:23:18 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "poohsannah@hotmail.com" , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Message-ID: <19990910082318.D71369@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <199909100139.VAA25033@arutam.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <199909100139.VAA25033@arutam.inch.com> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Francisco Reyes (freyes@inch.com) [990910 04:14]: >On Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:36:44 CDT, Susannah Coleman wrote: > >>I like the sound of , "ProBSD.com" > >I don't know.... This insinuates that there's a new split in the BSD ranks. Don't do that. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Cum angelis et pueris, fideles inveniamur. Quis est iste Rex gloriae...? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 23:44:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3314815374; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.51]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAG59A2; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:06 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA71474; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:21:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:21:43 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Donald Wilde Cc: Charl , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets Message-ID: <19990910082143.C71369@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <37D85924.5B2B280F@thuntek.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <37D85924.5B2B280F@thuntek.net> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Donald Wilde (dwilde1@thuntek.net) [990910 04:15]: >It's getting to the point that I'm getting embarrassed to be a citizen >of this country, it certainly doesn't stand for or represent what I >believe in any more. [The FreeBSD Project -- or that portion of it which >is American -- excepted completely!] I think FreeBSD especially those who stay longer using it and participating in the community generates clues by four faster than the average linux user dabbling in buffer overflows. Be glad FreeBSD is worldwide. Heck, I met the most diverse persons by now, some in person, others electronically. The most weird one still remains Jordan, but that's for -chat ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best For ever, brother, hail and farewell. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 23:44:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F67515381 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.51]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAH59A2; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:07 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA71496; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:30:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:30:50 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Mark Ovens Cc: Bill Fumerola , "Chris D. Faulhaber" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More press Message-ID: <19990910083050.G71369@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990909193124.A280@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <19990909193124.A280@marder-1> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Mark Ovens (mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) [990909 21:33]: >On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:20:18PM -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: >From futher down on the same link: > > But remember, truly portable Unix software runs on both > platforms just fine. > >Err, since when did Linux have FreeBSD binary compatibility? I guess they must mean "truly portable Unix source compiles and runs on both platforms" Hah! I wonder if the idiots tried the fun charade that they call `Gnome'? [which obviously isn't as portable as they want you to believe] [Yes I have a personal dislike against some of gnome for those wondering, although I do use parts of it as well as participating on their lists. If unsure why, either ask Gerald Hicks or me about Miguel de Icaza or some other part of the gnome developers.] -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best The prince of darkness is a gentleman. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 9 23:44:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF371534E for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.51]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAE59A2; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:04 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA71489; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:25:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:25:59 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Susannah Coleman Cc: freyes@inch.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Message-ID: <19990910082559.F71369@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990910020548.22190.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <19990910020548.22190.qmail@hotmail.com> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Susannah Coleman (poohsannah@hotmail.com) [990910 04:15]: >>I actually like that one too.. second to 'makeworld.com' makeworld is fun, gives a slashdot like name to the effort, which isn't that bad, given the recognition Slashdot has, more in favor by Linux people than the BSD ones though =) >how about this one: "BSD4U.com" could also work, except it sounds so `commercial' =) >What bout ITSUNIX.COM? Cool, let's get another lawsuit ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best The Gates of Time have opened. Now it's chains are broken. An Ancient Force unleashed again... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 11:58:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675E0153DE; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp15.pm2b.wport.com [206.129.99.95]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id STJ11VP7; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:56:09 -0700 Message-ID: <37D954F9.4326E6AB@seattleu.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:59:05 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremy L. Ramirez" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets References: <4.2.0.58.19990909183507.00a704d0@ns1.digicomsystems.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jeremy L. Ramirez" wrote: > > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get > FreeBSD to users that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a > very small price to pay) to try/test it out without having to download it? I know > there was (not sure currently) a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. The user group I'm in (SEAFUG) gets 1 rev old CD sets from (unnamed to protect the innocent) at FreeBSD Inc. -- Eric Hodel - hodeleri@seattleu.edu | Customers will come to our Aspiring programmer & FPS minor demi-god. | 'home page' in unbelievable ------------------------------------------/ numbers and find out every- thing we want them to know. --Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 12:40:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108CD14EA4 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15778 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:40:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Today's [September 10th] Walnut Street Journal, business section. Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:40:29 -0700 Message-ID: <15774.936992429@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ... some of you might want to buy this edition. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 12:42:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 8997114EA4; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D62E1CD46D; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Today's [September 10th] Walnut Street Journal, business section. In-Reply-To: <15774.936992429@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Walnut Street Journal"? Freudian PPP? :) Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 12:47: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15848151ED for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:47:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22990; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:46:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:46:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Today's [September 10th] Walnut Street Journal, business section. In-Reply-To: <15774.936992429@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > ... some of you might want to buy this edition. Geez, Jordan, I wish you'd get off your duff and do some real PR work... How are people ever going to hear about FreeBSD??? -sigh- :-) :-) :-) :-) Brett ***************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 12:50:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398C814A14; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15883; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Kris Kennaway Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Today's [September 10th] Walnut Street Journal, business section. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:42:32 PDT." Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:50:12 -0700 Message-ID: <15879.936993012@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > "Walnut Street Journal"? Freudian PPP? :) Hahaha, no kidding. Sorry guys, I'm *really sleepy* right now. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 12:54: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D1F14A14 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA58753; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37D961D3.FB8FCACF@owp.csus.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:53:55 +0000 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Today's [September 10th] Walnut Street Journal, business section. References: <15774.936992429@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > ... some of you might want to buy this edition. > > - Jordan There's also a link to the online version at http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ titled : Beyond Linux, Free Systems Help Build The Web -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 14:15:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B64114FB0 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id OAA02502; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id OAA16467; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:03:04 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA27415; Fri, 10 Sep 99 14:13:45 PDT Message-Id: <37D97489.E9B83653@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:13:45 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dannyman Cc: Susannah Coleman , robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org, freyes@inch.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! References: <19990910013645.98723.qmail@hotmail.com> <19990909191012.D63609@stumpy.dannyland.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dannyman wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:36:44PM -0500, Susannah Coleman wrote: > > > > I like the sound of , "ProBSD.com" > > Shouldn't that be resrved for another BSD split? ;) No, you're thinking of the BSD-on-N64 project going on at the local prison, that is called "ConBSD". -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 15: 4:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2E1150DE for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2iveab2.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.41.98]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28141; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D98021.129FAE6F@confusion.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:03:13 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Szilveszter Cc: Susannah Coleman , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pretty sure that's a reference (in jest) to the 1800ITSUNIX number that was a large part of the BSDI vs ATT lawsuit. Just a guess :P Adam Szilveszter wrote: > > > the last > (ITSUNIX.COM) goes even further. -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 The above email Copyright (C) 1999 Laurence Berland All rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 18:26:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sand5.global.net.uk (sand5.mail.gxn.net [194.126.80.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C1914BF3; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p3es04a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.148.63] helo=marder-1.) by sand5.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Pbvm-00042P-00; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:26:19 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id CAA00757; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:18:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:18:10 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: jkh@freebsd.org Subject: [yuri@codeforge.com: Re: copyright restriction ?!] Message-ID: <19990911021810.A298@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just seen this on the Codeforge mailing list. These guys are obviously serious about native FreeBSD support. Can we get it on the CDs and ftp in some shape or form Jordan? ----- Forwarded message from Yuri Mironoff ----- Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:46:30 MDT From: Yuri Mironoff To: list@codeforge.com Subject: Re: copyright restriction ?! We will soon have a freeware version available for FreeBSD. This can definitely go on just about any CD. If you wish to distribute the full version please contact me at yuri@codeforge.com Best Regards, Yuri Mironoff Code Forge, Inc Ilia Chipitsine wrote: > Dear C-Forge people, > > I've just been to http://www.codeforge.com, I was looking for "Contact > Information". I haven't found anything, so I'm here. > > Could anybody of you make it clear to me: Is there copyright restriction > against putting C-Forge for FreeBSD onto CD ? > > Regards, (Наилучшие пожелания) > > Ilia Chipitsine (Илья Шипицин) > ===================================================================== C-Forge Mailing List (http://www.codeforge.com/list.html). To unsubscribe, send an empty message to unsubscribe@codeforge.com. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 19:14:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [194.126.80.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8823114C3A; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from p3es04a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.148.63] helo=marder-1.) by sand4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PcgE-00062t-00; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:14:19 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id DAA00943; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:06:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:06:11 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Bill A. K." Cc: FreeBSD Questions , "Michael W. Akers" , Chris , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IE for FreeBSD Web Site Message-ID: <19990911030611.C298@marder-1> References: <001101befbf5$75363a40$01010101@bopper> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <001101befbf5$75363a40$01010101@bopper>; from Bill A. K. on Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 09:31:59PM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 09:31:59PM -0400, Bill A. K. wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone who would like to show support for a version of MS Internet > Explorer for FreeBSD, can visit this URL for information on a project going > on to notify Microsoft of our desires. > > http://iefreebsd.freeservers.com > > Please check out my site and sign my guestbook I have done (but you're not going to like it). According to http://www.netcraft.com/whats/?host=http%3A%2F%2Fiefreebsd.freeservers.com%2F iefreebsd.freeservers.com iefreebsd.freeservers.com is running Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) on Linux So, the truth is out, a Linuxite trying to enlist the support of the Mighty Microslop to destroy FreeBSD :^) Remember, Unix is a religion, and FreeBSD is the only True Way. > (It's working now BTW) or drop > me a line at the project's offical e-mail address: > > iefreebsd@hotmail.com > > Thanks everybody and special thanks to Michael and Chris for their initial > support and site traffic :) > > Bill > billieakay@yahoo.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- STATE-OF-THE-ART: Any computer you can't afford. OBSOLETE: Any computer you own. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 20:39:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F5115D62 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2iveb66.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.44.198]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA30931 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D9CE9F.6B984309@confusion.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:38:07 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: The new toolkit, does it help us to advocate FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the description for the new toolkit it has "Bootable FreeBSD 3.2-EXPRESS demo disc. " Is this the mythical disk that lets you see FreeBSD without installing? That'd be great for advocacy. Also curious, I take it Xfree 3.3.5 wasn't ready when the disks went to press. Just out of curiosity, are we trying to slowly make the toolkits come out closer to the release of the CDs? (ie 3.3Toolkit and 3.3 closer together, not 3.3 toolkit a week before 3.4) Just my rants and raves, -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 The above email Copyright (C) 1999 Laurence Berland All rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 10 20:58:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A7414FD1 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17642; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Laurence Berland Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The new toolkit, does it help us to advocate FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:38:07 EDT." <37D9CE9F.6B984309@confusion.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:58:36 -0700 Message-ID: <17639.937022316@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In the description for the new toolkit it has "Bootable FreeBSD > 3.2-EXPRESS demo disc. " Is this the mythical disk that lets you see > FreeBSD without installing? That'd be great for advocacy. Also Yep! That's the one. > curious, I take it Xfree 3.3.5 wasn't ready when the disks went to > press. Just out of curiosity, are we trying to slowly make the toolkits > come out closer to the release of the CDs? (ie 3.3Toolkit and 3.3 > closer together, not 3.3 toolkit a week before 3.4) Actually, we're doing our best to de-couple them from releases now since the two don't get scheduled all that coincidently these days. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 4:30: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB1B151B9 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA06233; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id B071614DDD; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990911112316.B071614DDD@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: gthalapp@hotmail.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Number: 13696 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: FreeBSD logo >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Sep 11 04:30:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gene T George >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.8 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Everybody says that FreeBSD is fantastic and rock stable. I found that there is truth in it. But I am not pleased to see a devil's emblem to be used for FreeBSD logo. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Change the logo to something professional. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 6:20: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3430F14F19 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA18914; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909111320.GAA18914@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: From: lnb@cybertouch.org Subject: RE: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo Reply-To: lnb@cybertouch.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/13696; it has been noted by GNATS. From: lnb@cybertouch.org To: gthalapp@hotmail.com Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) What? You would like to change that little devil? What the heck is wrong with it. It's unique, cute and ingenious. It is NOT evil. Whats with the info below? Just out of curiosity. Have a good day and please post the anwer back to the list. I can't beleive I am sending mail to hotmail.com. On 11-Sep-99 gthalapp@hotmail.com wrote: > >>Number: 13696 >>Category: advocacy >>Synopsis: FreeBSD logo >>Confidential: no >>Severity: serious >>Priority: high >>Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >>State: open >>Quarter: >>Keywords: >>Date-Required: >>Class: change-request >>Submitter-Id: current-users >>Arrival-Date: Sat Sep 11 04:30:01 PDT 1999 >>Closed-Date: >>Last-Modified: >>Originator: Gene T George >>Release: FreeBSD 2.2.8 >>Organization: >>Environment: >>Description: > Everybody says that FreeBSD is fantastic and rock stable. I found that there > is truth in it. But I am not pleased to see a devil's emblem to be used for > FreeBSD logo. >>How-To-Repeat: > >>Fix: > Change the logo to something professional. > >>Release-Note: >>Audit-Trail: >>Unformatted: > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message Lanny Baron ---------------------------------- lnb@cybertouch.org 11-Sep-99, 09:12:32 Renning's Maxim: Man is the highest animal. Man does the classifying. FreeBSD+Samba=A total solution for file servers and a ton more... Freedom Network Solutions http://freedomnetworks.com ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 9:58:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F462153F9 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15271; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: lnb@cybertouch.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo In-Reply-To: <199909111320.GAA18914@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG He is not a devil, he is a daemon. Daemon's come from Greek mythology. Should we get rid of Hercules also? Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 lnb@cybertouch.org wrote: > The following reply was made to PR advocacy/13696; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: lnb@cybertouch.org > To: gthalapp@hotmail.com > Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo > Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) > > What? You would like to change that little devil? > What the heck is wrong with it. It's unique, cute and ingenious. It is NOT > evil. > > Whats with the info below? Just out of curiosity. > > Have a good day and please post the anwer back to the list. I can't beleive I > am sending mail to hotmail.com. > > On 11-Sep-99 gthalapp@hotmail.com wrote: > > > >>Number: 13696 > >>Category: advocacy > >>Synopsis: FreeBSD logo > >>Confidential: no > >>Severity: serious > >>Priority: high > >>Responsible: freebsd-advocacy > >>State: open > >>Quarter: > >>Keywords: > >>Date-Required: > >>Class: change-request > >>Submitter-Id: current-users > >>Arrival-Date: Sat Sep 11 04:30:01 PDT 1999 > >>Closed-Date: > >>Last-Modified: > >>Originator: Gene T George > >>Release: FreeBSD 2.2.8 > >>Organization: > >>Environment: > >>Description: > > Everybody says that FreeBSD is fantastic and rock stable. I found that there > > is truth in it. But I am not pleased to see a devil's emblem to be used for > > FreeBSD logo. > >>How-To-Repeat: > > > >>Fix: > > Change the logo to something professional. > > > >>Release-Note: > >>Audit-Trail: > >>Unformatted: > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > Lanny Baron > ---------------------------------- > lnb@cybertouch.org > 11-Sep-99, 09:12:32 > Renning's Maxim: > Man is the highest animal. Man does the classifying. > > > FreeBSD+Samba=A total solution for file servers and a ton more... > Freedom Network Solutions > http://freedomnetworks.com > ---------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 10:34:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC8B14E79 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id NAA11914; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909111734.NAA11914@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Laurence Berland" Cc: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:34:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The new toolkit, does it help us to advocate FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:58:36 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> come out closer to the release of the CDs? (ie 3.3Toolkit and 3.3 >> closer together, not 3.3 toolkit a week before 3.4) > >Actually, we're doing our best to de-couple them from releases now >since the two don't get scheduled all that coincidently these days. :) Why not have the toolkits in the middle of the releaseas? This would be breat for those that want to follow stable, but not deal with cvsup or downloads. It will also boost revenuews at Walnut Creek since people may subscribe to both. If they releases were at the same or near time then people will commonly only choose one or the other. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 13:16:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDF715093 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:16:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26532; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:35:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Chris Coleman Cc: lnb@cybertouch.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Chris Coleman wrote: > He is not a devil, he is a daemon. Daemon's come from Greek mythology. > Should we get rid of Hercules also? Just the television show. :) -Alfred > > Chris Coleman > Daemon News Editor in Chief > http://www.daemonnews.org > Bringing BSD together > > On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 lnb@cybertouch.org wrote: > > > The following reply was made to PR advocacy/13696; it has been noted by GNATS. > > > > From: lnb@cybertouch.org > > To: gthalapp@hotmail.com > > Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: RE: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo > > Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) > > > > What? You would like to change that little devil? > > What the heck is wrong with it. It's unique, cute and ingenious. It is NOT > > evil. > > > > Whats with the info below? Just out of curiosity. > > > > Have a good day and please post the anwer back to the list. I can't beleive I > > am sending mail to hotmail.com. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 15: 0:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D18E14F77; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from billf@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA27257; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199909112200.PAA27257@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gthalapp@hotmail.com, billf@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: FreeBSD logo State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: billf State-Changed-When: Sat Sep 11 14:58:02 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: 1) Priority: High? You must have lots of time on your hands, but we don't. 2) The daemon is not 'evil'. There are a million explanations that you will receieve however, I will simply point you to http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html Thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 15:50:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D2A414FA7 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 5024 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Sep 1999 22:50:39 -0000 Date: 11 Sep 1999 15:50:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:50:39 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: The new toolkit, does it help us to advocate FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19990911155039.A4944@dub.net> References: <199909111734.NAA11914@arutam.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <199909111734.NAA11914@arutam.inch.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 01:34:44PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:58:36 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > >> come out closer to the release of the CDs? (ie 3.3Toolkit and 3.3 > >> closer together, not 3.3 toolkit a week before 3.4) > > > >Actually, we're doing our best to de-couple them from releases now > >since the two don't get scheduled all that coincidently these days. :) > > Why not have the toolkits in the middle of the releaseas? > This would be breat for those that want to follow stable, but not deal > with cvsup or downloads. > It will also boost revenuews at Walnut Creek since people may subscribe > to both. If they releases were at the same or near time then people > will commonly only choose one or the other. This was sort of the original plan. Some replication probs with the new toolkit have delayed it from getting out until now. I think we're talking about revamping the intent and release schedule for the toolkit in the near future. -Bill -- -=| --- B i l l S w i n g l e --- http://www.dub.net/ -=| unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| Different all twisty a of in maze are you, passages little To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 17: 2: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4276B14FA0 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24371; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Francisco Reyes" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Laurence Berland" , "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: The new toolkit, does it help us to advocate FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:34:44 EDT." <199909111734.NAA11914@arutam.inch.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:01:57 -0700 Message-ID: <24367.937094517@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, another factor here is that we're going to take the snapshot releases off the toolkit and use the space for more packages and distfiles, which people seem to want the most. - Jordan > > >> come out closer to the release of the CDs? (ie 3.3Toolkit and 3.3 > >> closer together, not 3.3 toolkit a week before 3.4) > > > >Actually, we're doing our best to de-couple them from releases now > >since the two don't get scheduled all that coincidently these days. :) > > Why not have the toolkits in the middle of the releaseas? > This would be breat for those that want to follow stable, but not deal > with cvsup or downloads. > It will also boost revenuews at Walnut Creek since people may subscribe > to both. If they releases were at the same or near time then people > will commonly only choose one or the other. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 19: 8:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDC614D7C for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:08:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: from localhost (pwiley@localhost) by freebsd.tesserae.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00332 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel Configuration. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Everyone, In comparing FreeBSD w/ Linux, I've heard alot of people bitch and moan about the difficulty(?) of configuring the kernel. They complain about having to edit a file and using weird abbreviations for things. Is there anything out there to do this, and if not, I seems like it would be a fairly easy thing to add. Any thoughts? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 19:19:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37B914CA2 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id WAA12129; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909120219.WAA12129@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Preston S. Wiley II" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:17:28 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Kernel Configuration. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:08:00 -0700 (PDT), Preston S. Wiley II wrote: >In comparing FreeBSD w/ Linux, I've heard alot of people bitch and >moan about the difficulty(?) of configuring the kernel. They complain >about having to edit a file and using weird abbreviations for things. Is >there anything out there to do this, and if not, I fail to quite see how this relates to advocacy. Are you suggesting we either make it easier to configure the kernel or document it better and then use this as advocacy? >I seems like it would be >a fairly easy thing to add. Any thoughts? I once thought the same way. :-) Try it. The thing to remember is that people making changes to kernel most likely expect having to do some reading.. this is not the type of things new users uninterested in learning the inner working of the OS go after. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 19:23:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A2A14CA2 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from smarter.than.nu (ida-89-77.Reshall.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.89.77]) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/) via ESMTP id TAA09067; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:23:45 -0700 (PDT) env-from (brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:23:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" X-Sender: brian@smarter.than.nu To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel Configuration. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Preston S. Wiley II wrote: > In comparing FreeBSD w/ Linux, I've heard alot of people bitch and > moan about the difficulty(?) of configuring the kernel. They complain > about having to edit a file and using weird abbreviations for things. Is > there anything out there to do this, and if not, I seems like it would be > a fairly easy thing to add. Any thoughts? My personal take on this is that if someone can't figure out how to read LINT and follow the examples therein that they probably aren't competent enough to be using FreeBSD in the first place. When I configured my first FreeBSD kernel back in the 2.0.5 days, I was a newbie to UNIX in general, and still had no trouble with it. And anyway, as I understand things, the current movement is towards the elimination of kernel config files almost entirely, except to say "SMP" or "Not SMP". This isn't to say it would be a bad thing to have a user-friendly kernel configurator (the design for one of my projects in fact includes such a feature), just that it isn't really a critical thing unless we want to start targeting people who are probably better off learning a bit more before they jump into a real OS. -- Brian Buchanan brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 19:28:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DAB14CA2 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id LAA19898; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:28:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37DB0F6B.259302EE@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:26:51 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel Configuration. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Preston S. Wiley II" wrote: > > In comparing FreeBSD w/ Linux, I've heard alot of people bitch and > moan about the difficulty(?) of configuring the kernel. They complain > about having to edit a file and using weird abbreviations for things. Is > there anything out there to do this, and if not, I seems like it would be > a fairly easy thing to add. Any thoughts? Anyone complaining about editing a file to configure a kernel is... well, I don't know what they are expecting to do with a Unix. Anyway, the thought on this matter is the following: we don't want such a tool. We want to get rid of kernel configuration. We want everything plug&play, demand-loaded. Of course, there'll be a configuration file for stupid things like ISA, though that won't be kernel configuration. And there'll probably be residual kernel configuration for some options that just can't be placed anywhere else. It is in this direction that we think efforts must be concentrated. Anyway, it (the tool you mention) "seems" a fairly easy thing to add, and we have seen HUNDREDS of people coming say that before. No tool has resulted (though prototypes were made available now and then). I think that tells something, though I'm not sure what it is. Aside from telling me this thread is useless. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "People call him Neutron Star, 'cuz his so dense lights bends around him." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 19:37:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dns02.arpa-canada.net (dns02.arpa-canada.net [209.104.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB21114CC6 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@MLINK.NET) Received: (qmail 31197 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Sep 1999 02:37:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Sep 1999 02:37:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:37:48 -0400 (EDT) From: matt X-Sender: matt@dns02.arpa-canada.net To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel Configuration. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, Preston S. Wiley II wrote: : Everyone, : : In comparing FreeBSD w/ Linux, I've heard alot of people bitch and : moan about the difficulty(?) of configuring the kernel. They complain : about having to edit a file and using weird abbreviations for things. Is : there anything out there to do this, and if not, I seems like it would be : a fairly easy thing to add. Any thoughts? I'm not sure about this, When I first first starting using FreeBSD after coming from Linux, I was a bit confused over the steps on how to build the kernel, once I actually rtfm'd the whole deal, I found it wonderfly nice compared to having to stumble through a menu, the speed and ease at which I upgrade/make kernels now is greatly increased from having to run "make menuconfig" or "make config". The learning curve is a bit higher then Linux's kernel, but I think that's a good thing that should be changed, once the person takes the time to learn it, they'll appreciate the method it's done in now, this definately should not be changed! [.snip sig.] -Matt -- // Matt Heckaman: matt@mlink.net -OR- admin@arpa-canada.net // // System Administrator/Owner: http://www.arpa-canada.net // To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 19:42:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dns02.arpa-canada.net (dns02.arpa-canada.net [209.104.118.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E4FDD14FA7 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@MLINK.NET) Received: (qmail 31433 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Sep 1999 02:42:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Sep 1999 02:42:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:42:47 -0400 (EDT) From: matt X-Sender: matt@dns02.arpa-canada.net To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel Configuration. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 11 Sep 1999, matt wrote: [.snip.] : then Linux's kernel, but I think that's a good thing that should be : changed, once the person takes the time to learn it, they'll appreciate Ack! s/should be/shouldn't be [.snip.] -- // Matt Heckaman: matt@mlink.net -OR- admin@arpa-canada.net // // System Administrator/Owner: http://www.arpa-canada.net // To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 20:26:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83CE14C8C; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Q0HT-0003YB-00; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:26:19 -0600 Message-ID: <37DB1D59.31FC9D6A@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:26:17 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Ovens Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, yuri@codeforge.com Subject: Re: [yuri@codeforge.com: Re: copyright restriction ?!] References: <19990911021810.A298@marder-1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Ovens wrote: > > Just seen this on the Codeforge mailing list. These guys are > obviously serious about native FreeBSD support. Can we get it on > the CDs and ftp in some shape or form Jordan? Since it is available in pkg_* format, it should be easy to include. This is great news. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 11 20:33:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5ED114E4D; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Q0OL-0004kR-00; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:33:25 -0600 Message-ID: <37DB1F04.BEAAD0B9@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:33:24 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: billf@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: gthalapp@hotmail.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy/13696: FreeBSD logo References: <199909112200.PAA27257@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG billf@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > > Synopsis: FreeBSD logo > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: billf > State-Changed-When: Sat Sep 11 14:58:02 PDT 1999 > State-Changed-Why: > 1) Priority: High? You must have lots of time on your hands, but we don't. > 2) The daemon is not 'evil'. There are a million explanations that you will receieve > however, I will simply point you to http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html I would like to point out this has been discussed to death a number of times, and each and every time the answer is a resounding NO! If you are so insecure or simplistic in your beliefs that you think a little red guy with horns and a pointed tail represents the evil of the world, feel free to avoid using any computer system that features such an image. Thank you for your participation in FreeBSD Advocacy. Before chiming in again, please make sure your request isn't one of the other beaten-to-death topics that rage back and forth here. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message