From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 3:39:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from kiev.sovam.com (kiev.sovam.com [194.186.143.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF6C152CC for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 03:39:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doka@kiev.sovam.com) Received: from doka (helo=localhost) by kiev.sovam.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10RDu7-0006sv-00; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:38:59 +0300 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:38:58 +0300 (EEST) From: Vladimir Litovka Reply-To: doka@triton.kiev.sovam.com To: "Scot W. Hetzel" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with "make release" In-Reply-To: <019001be7886$a7e4e7e0$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > > without errors. Optimization.... BTW do FreeBSD's team have plans to use > > egcs as main compiler or no? Or gcc 2.8.x at least... > > > The FreeBSD team is looking into adding egcs into 4.0-CURRENT as the next > compiler for FreeBSD. Currently, it appears to be working but hasn't been > integrated into the 4.0-CURRENT source tree. Thank you :-) BTW do you know - do they going to use PentiumGCC? This compiler - the set of patches to egcs, which makes egcs able to optimize code for Pentium and above processors. As said on the homepage of PentiumGCC, there is up to 25% perfomance improvement may be when using pgcc instead of gcc and egcs. It's homepage is http://www.goof.com/pcg/ -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Litovka, hostmaster of Sovam Teleport Kiev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 5:27:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from xkis.kis.ru (xkis.kis.ru [195.98.32.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CFF14DFF for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 05:27:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dv@dv.ru) Received: from localhost (dv@localhost) by xkis.kis.ru (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA12923 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:27:01 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:27:01 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Valdov X-Sender: dv@xkis.kis.ru To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: -stable problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Why this happens? > telnet x.x.x.x nntp Trying x.x.x.x... Connected to x.x.x.x. Escape character is '^]'. assertion "nsegs == 2" failed: file "/usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf/map_object.c", line 158 Connection closed by foreign host. Also machine closes any connection to any port. It happens not too often, but happens. It running 3.1-STABLE. And INN 2.3-current. Dmitry. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 9:38:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from speed.rcc.on.ca (radio163.mipps.net [205.189.197.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C456A14DE9 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tr49986@rcc.on.ca) Received: from a35 (24.66.20.80.on.wave.home.com [24.66.20.80]) by speed.rcc.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11574 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:55:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be7941$1b2e3200$2300000a@a35.my.intranet> From: "RT" To: Subject: 3com Nic Problems Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:33:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heres are the nic combinations I've tried in one machine: 3com 905 (at 100mbit) & 3com 905b (at 10mbit) 3com 905b (at 100mbit) & 3com 905 (at 10mbit) 3com 905 (at 100mbit) & realtek 8039 (at 10mbit) 3com 905b (at 100mbit) & realtek (at 10mbit) 3com 905b (at 100mbit) & ne2000 (at 10mbit) In each case the 3com operating at 100mbit failed to do so smoothly. In some cases I receive device time-outs, on bootup "xl0 command not completed", and in some cases no warning at all.. 100mbit will peak at 4MB/s, then all of a sudden stop, then go racing off, then stop... This doesn't happen if the 3com cards are operated by themselves. The realtek & ne2000 (while slow) perform without these problems. I believe the xl? drivers have a problem. My system is 4-current (updated weekly). I only starting using 2 nics in the machine last week. (When I got my cable modem). The problem occurs both with and without natd & ipfw. It also doesn't matter which of the 4 cards is receiving the data (as long as there is only one of them). Any more information needed? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 9:56:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from speed.rcc.on.ca (radio163.mipps.net [205.189.197.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC729156EF for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 09:56:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tr49986@rcc.on.ca) Received: from a35 (24.66.20.80.on.wave.home.com [24.66.20.80]) by speed.rcc.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA11621 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:13:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be7943$9b0c5900$2300000a@a35.my.intranet> From: "RT" To: Subject: Re: 3com Nic Problems Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 12:51:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sure enough when reading my own bug report, I found something else: xl0: <3Com 3c905B Fast Etherlink XL 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x30 int a irq 9 on pci0.3.0 xl0: command never completed! xl0: Ethernet address: 00:50:04:11:5f:16 xl0: autoneg not complete, no carrier (forcing half-duplex, 10Mbps) xl1: <3Com 3c905 Fast Etherlink XL 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x00 int a irq 12 on pci0.4.0 xl1: Ethernet address: 00:60:97:de:4e:38 xl1: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 10Mbps) xl0 should be 100mbit --> Not detected xl1 should be 10mbit --> Detected I switched the cards around, same thing happens. But with only the 100mbit network attached, it's detected fine. Thanks again for any suggestions. -----Original Message----- From: RT To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 1:56 PM Subject: 3com Nic Problems >Heres are the nic combinations I've tried in one machine: > >3com 905 (at 100mbit) & 3com 905b (at 10mbit) >3com 905b (at 100mbit) & 3com 905 (at 10mbit) >3com 905 (at 100mbit) & realtek 8039 (at 10mbit) -= Snip =- >Any more information needed? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 10:21:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCCDF1555B for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA04739 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:31:02 -0500 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199903281831.NAA04739@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: 3com Nic Problems To: current@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 13:31:01 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <000101be7941$1b2e3200$2300000a@a35.my.intranet> from "RT" at Mar 28, 99 12:33:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3778 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, RT had to walk into mine and say: > Heres are the nic combinations I've tried in one machine: > > 3com 905 (at 100mbit) & 3com 905b (at 10mbit) > 3com 905b (at 100mbit) & 3com 905 (at 10mbit) > 3com 905 (at 100mbit) & realtek 8039 (at 10mbit) > 3com 905b (at 100mbit) & realtek (at 10mbit) > 3com 905b (at 100mbit) & ne2000 (at 10mbit) > > In each case the 3com operating at 100mbit failed to do so smoothly. In > some cases I receive device time-outs, on bootup "xl0 command not > completed", Ignore the command failed to complete message. It's not fatal. It's amazing how many people get all flustered when they see this. > and in some cases no warning at all.. It's timing dependent. > 100mbit will peak at 4MB/s, then all of a sudden stop, then go racing off, > then stop... This is a classic "I didn't configure my card correctly" symptom. For the Nth time, both sides of the link must use the same modes. You can't mix and match speed and duplex settings like they're tuneable parameters that you can tweak to get more performance. Both sides must match. If they can't figure out how to match on their own using autonegotiation, make them match. (You're the one with the brain and the reasoning skills after all. Well, that's the theory anyway.) If you want two 100Mbps NICs connected back to back (via crossover cable), then do the following on _both_ sides: # ifconfig xl0 media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex The symptoms you're describing indicate a condition where one side of the link is set for full duplex and the other is set for half. This doesn't work: when the NIC is in full duplex mode, it turns off the collision detection logic (since in theory you're not supposed to have collisions on a full duplex link). If one side is doing collision detection and the other isn't, you tend to see 'stuttery' performance. If you're connecting a NIC to a 10Mbps hub (that's hub as in repeater, not a switch), then you must set the NIC for 10Mbps half-duplex: # ifconfig xl0 media 10baseT/UTP mediaopt half-duplex If you're connecting a NIC to a 100Mbps hub (again, that's a hub as in repeater, not a switch), then you must set the NIC for 100Mbps half-duplex: # ifconfig xl0 media 100baseTX mediaopt half-duplex If you're connecting a NIC to a 100Mbps switch port, then in theory the switch port and the NIC will perform NWAY autoselection and get the modes right on their own. Sometimes this fails though, in which case you should manually configure the switch for the mode you want and configure the NIC to match. When you connect two NICs back to back and one of them supports NWAY and the other doesn't, the NIC with NWAY autonegotiation support can sometimes get the mode wrong. In this case, you should manually configure the NIC with NWAY so that agrees with the other NIC's modes using ifconfig as shown above. The NE2000 and 8039 boards don't support full duplex. So if you connect a one of these to the 3c90x NICs via crossover cable, then you must force the 3Com nic to 10Mbps half-duplex: # ifconfig xl0 media 10baseT/UTP mediaopt half-duplex This is because the NE2K and 8039 (ne2k compatible) don't support full duplex mode. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 10:58:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7690C14E15 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA55984 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:58:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199903281858.UAA55984@freebsd.dk> Subject: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. To: current@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:58:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fourth update to the new ATA/ATAPI driver: Well, better late than newer, but things has been hectic around here, sorry for the long delay. DMA support has been added to the ATA disk driver. This only works on Intel PIIX3/4, Acer Aladdin and Promise controllers. The promise support works without the BIOS on the board, and timing modes are set to support up to UDMA speed. This solves the problems with having more than one promise controller in the same system. There is support for "generic" DMA, that might work on other controllers, but now you have been warned :) More chipset specific code will come soon, I have to find testers with the approbiate HW, more on that when I have it ready. The system now uses its own major numbers, please run MAKEDEV with the devices you need (ad?, acd?, afd?, ast?). For now the disk driver will also attach to the old wd major so one can at least boot without this step, but be warned, this will eventually go away. The bootblocks will have to be changed before one can boot directly from an "ad" device though. Fixed problems: All known hang problems should be solved The probe code has been sligthly changed, this should solve the reports I have lying around (I hope). Hangs when accessing ata & atapi device on the same channel simultaniously. A real braino in ata_start caused this, fixed. As usual USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!, this is still pre alpha level code. Especially the DMA support can hose your disk real bad if anything goes wrong, agaiin you have been warned :) But please tell me how it works for you! Enjoy! -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 14:58: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55CC153E1 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 14:57:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA78492; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:55:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Soren Schmidt Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: <199903281858.UAA55984@freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried this out just as soon as I saw the announcement! Your driver is really coming along well. I have three basic problems with it: 1. A hard reset is necessary to get the CD-ROM drive to work with acd. wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, dma, iordy wcd0: drive speed 2067KB/sec, 128KB cache wcd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-DA wcd0: Audio: play, 16 volume levels wcd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray wcd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked 2. My LS-120 still has no reliability with the driver, as reads are corrupted extremely often. wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, iordy wfd0: medium type unknown (no disk) 3. DMA is ineffective with file-system use. I can read from the raw device rad0 at 4.5MB/s with a 1mb block size, but when I use iozone performance is around 2.5MB/s. Mounting wd shouldn't affect that, should it? I used the same device special files to mount as before, with ATA_STATIC being used, and noticed this. Better yet, I'll try this with a corrected fstab then report back. Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 15:14:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C18715073 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:14:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mmercer@ipass.net) Received: from ipass.net (ts6-22-ppp.ipass.net [198.78.59.22]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA24554 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:14:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FEB860.38A94122@ipass.net> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:16:49 -0500 From: "Michael E. Mercer" Reply-To: mmercer@ipass.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re Post!: What to make of the script /usr/src/tools/LibraryReport/LibraryReport.tcl? References: <36FC43F5.2DA10D7F@ipass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello again, Posted this a few days ago...no response... so I am trying again. Later Michael "Michael E. Mercer" wrote: > > Hello, > > Sorry for posting to two lists...not sure where this should go. > > I saw an email where someone mentioned this script... > > how do I make out what this script is telling me and even > though this script says a library is stale, does this mean > I can remove it??? > > Also I read someones post about the motherboard not getting enough > power and causing things to run slow...how do I check if I fall > into this catagory? and if I do fall into it, how do I remedy it? > > Thanks > Michael Mercer > mmercer@ipass.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 15:27:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144671539E for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 15:27:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA78880; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:25:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 18:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Soren Schmidt Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Brian Feldman wrote: > I tried this out just as soon as I saw the announcement! Your driver is > really coming along well. I have three basic problems with it: > > 1. A hard reset is necessary to get the CD-ROM drive to work with acd. > > wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, dma, iordy > wcd0: drive speed 2067KB/sec, 128KB cache > wcd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-DA > wcd0: Audio: play, 16 volume levels > wcd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray > wcd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked > > > 2. My LS-120 still has no reliability with the driver, as reads are > corrupted extremely often. > > wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, iordy > wfd0: medium type unknown (no disk) > > > 3. DMA is ineffective with file-system use. I can read from the raw > device rad0 at 4.5MB/s with a 1mb block size, but when I use iozone performance > is around 2.5MB/s. Mounting wd shouldn't affect that, should it? I used the > same device special files to mount as before, with ATA_STATIC being used, > and noticed this. Better yet, I'll try this with a corrected fstab then > report back. Didn't think it would help... I corrected fstab, but the slow speed is still there. (And I notice it's time to fix my sig.) > > > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ > green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ > http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 19:20: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from russian-caravan.cloud9.net (russian-caravan.cloud9.net [168.100.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526A614ECD for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 19:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ganymede@cloud9.net) Received: from earl-grey.cloud9.net (earl-grey [168.100.1.1]) by russian-caravan.cloud9.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CAE763AA; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:06:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 22:06:17 -0500 (EST) From: Tugrul Galatali To: Soren Schmidt Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: <199903281858.UAA55984@freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There seems to be an oopsie with the includes on a system without PCI in ata-dma.c: #include "ata.h" +#include + #if NATA > 0 -#include "pci.h" #if NPCI > 0 +#include "pci.h" #include #include #include My 486 still spits this out tho: [...] ata0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa [...] ad0: ATA-? disk at ata0 as master ad0: 814MB (1667232 sectors), 1654 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: piomode=3, dmamode=1, udmamode=-1 ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, PIO mode changing root device to wd0s1a ad0: invalid primary partition table: no magic changing root device to wd0a ad0: invalid primary partition table: no magic error 22: panic: cannot mount root (2) My PIIX3 box isn't happy with this update either: [...] ata-pci0: rev 0x00 on pci0.7.1 ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported [...] ata0 at 0x01f0 irq 14 on ata-pci0 [...] ata0: master: settting up WDMA2 mode on PIIX3/4 chip OK ad0: ATA-? disk at ata0 as master ad0: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 4092 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=-1 ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA mode acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as slave acd0: drive speed 1779 - 4134KB/sec, 128KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA, packet track acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked changing root device to wd0s1a [...] acd0: rezero failed <-- Whenever I try to mount my cdrom drive. With or without a cd in there. mount gives me "mount: Input/output error" I can't eject the cd tray either after I mount the drive. Its fine after boot but before I attempt to mount something. Tugrul Galatali To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 21: 9: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98D114D67; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:08:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mmercer@ipass.net) Received: from ipass.net (ts2-92-ppp.ipass.net [207.120.205.92]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA09645; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:08:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FF0B69.BD0C336E@ipass.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:11:05 -0500 From: "Michael E. Mercer" Reply-To: mmercer@ipass.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: apache13-fp probs: fpsrvadm.exe core dumps. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, I am running 4.0 current and am trying to get apache13-fp to install, however the executable fpsrvadm.exe core dumps. I have tried to do this on two different 4.0 machines, same thing happens on both. Is there something I am missing? later Michael Mercer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 21:15:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from norn.ca.eu.org (cr965240-b.abtsfd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.19.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A6315472; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:15:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from norn@norn.ca.eu.org) Received: (from norn@localhost) by norn.ca.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00281; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from norn) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36FF0B69.BD0C336E@ipass.net> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:14:18 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Chris Piazza From: Chris Piazza To: "Michael E. Mercer" Subject: RE: apache13-fp probs: fpsrvadm.exe core dumps. Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 29-Mar-99 Michael E. Mercer wrote: > Hello all, > > I am running 4.0 current and am trying to get apache13-fp > to install, however the executable fpsrvadm.exe core dumps. > > I have tried to do this on two different 4.0 machines, > same thing happens on both. > > Is there something I am missing? > > later > Michael Mercer > > Yes, dg 1999/03/11 10:28:47 PST Modified files: sys/i386/conf Makefile.i386 kernel.script sys/i386/include pmap.h Log: Increased kernel virtual address space to 1GB. NOTE: You MUST have fixed bootblocks in order to boot the kernel after this! Also note that this change breaks BSDI BSD/OS compatibility. Also increased default NKPT to 17 so that FreeBSD can boot on machines with >=2GB of RAM. Booting on machines with exactly 4GB requires other patches, not included. Either manually back this out or use 3.1. --- Chris Piazza Abbotsford, BC, Canada cpiazza@home.net finger norn@norn.ca.eu.org for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Mar 28 23:45:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD1715762 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:45:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA57288; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:45:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199903290745.JAA57288@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: from Brian Feldman at "Mar 28, 1999 5:55:55 pm" To: green@unixhelp.org (Brian Feldman) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:45:01 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Brian Feldman wrote: > I tried this out just as soon as I saw the announcement! Your driver is > really coming along well. I have three basic problems with it: > > 1. A hard reset is necessary to get the CD-ROM drive to work with acd. > > wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, dma, iordy > wcd0: drive speed 2067KB/sec, 128KB cache > wcd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-DA > wcd0: Audio: play, 16 volume levels > wcd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray > wcd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked Ugh, one of those NEC's again, it seems there are many problems with their CDROM's, I'll try to get ahold of some... > > 2. My LS-120 still has no reliability with the driver, as reads are > corrupted extremely often. > > wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, iordy > wfd0: medium type unknown (no disk) Hmm, my ZIP works just fine, I'll see what I can come up with.. > 3. DMA is ineffective with file-system use. I can read from the raw > device rad0 at 4.5MB/s with a 1mb block size, but when I use iozone performance > is around 2.5MB/s. Mounting wd shouldn't affect that, should it? I used the > same device special files to mount as before, with ATA_STATIC being used, > and noticed this. Better yet, I'll try this with a corrected fstab then > report back. This is more likely due to the last changes Julian/Matt has committed to vfs_bio.c et all, it hoses our I/O performance pretty badly. There is work underways to fix it though. -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 0:12:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3305214C16 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA57354; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:11:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199903290811.KAA57354@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: from Tugrul Galatali at "Mar 28, 1999 10: 6:17 pm" To: ganymede@cloud9.net (Tugrul Galatali) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Tugrul Galatali wrote: > > There seems to be an oopsie with the includes on a system without PCI in > ata-dma.c: > > #include "ata.h" > +#include > + > #if NATA > 0 > -#include "pci.h" > #if NPCI > 0 > +#include "pci.h" > #include > #include > #include The "pci.h" should be before the if NPCI or it will never be defined :) > My 486 still spits this out tho: > > [...] > ata0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > [...] > ad0: ATA-? disk at ata0 as master > ad0: 814MB (1667232 sectors), 1654 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > ad0: piomode=3, dmamode=1, udmamode=-1 > ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, PIO mode > changing root device to wd0s1a > ad0: invalid primary partition table: no magic > changing root device to wd0a > ad0: invalid primary partition table: no magic > error 22: panic: cannot mount root (2) Hmm, I'll bet the disk doesn't grok the 16 secs/int or the controller doesn't support 32bit transfers... This I really should check for... > My PIIX3 box isn't happy with this update either: > > [...] > ata-pci0: rev 0x00 on pci0.7.1 > ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported > [...] > ata0 at 0x01f0 irq 14 on ata-pci0 > [...] > ata0: master: settting up WDMA2 mode on PIIX3/4 chip OK > ad0: ATA-? disk at ata0 as master > ad0: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 4092 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > ad0: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=-1 > ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA mode > acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as slave > acd0: drive speed 1779 - 4134KB/sec, 128KB cache > acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA, packet track > acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels > acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray > acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked > changing root device to wd0s1a > [...] > acd0: rezero failed <-- Whenever I try to mount my cdrom drive. With or > without a cd in there. mount gives me "mount: Input/output error" You should only get the rezero when you are WRITING to the CD, really wierd... > I can't eject the cd tray either after I mount the drive. Its fine > after boot but before I attempt to mount something. If you open the device and mount it, the driver will lock the CD in the drive, if something goes wrong it might be stuck in there... Granted I should do something about that too... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 1:58:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from firewall2.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055FA14E6C; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 01:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall2.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA06431; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 04:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from lonmailhost.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA02039; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 04:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by lonmailhost.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/Lehman Bros. V1.5) id KAA14263; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:57:41 +0100 Message-ID: <19990329105741.L23968@lehman.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:57:41 +0100 From: nclayton@lehman.com To: Kris Kennaway , Nik Clayton Cc: current@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handbook DocBook cutover complete References: <19990327162554.K3136@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 04:40:22PM +0930 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris, On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 04:40:22PM +0930, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Almost a year ago I started the project to switch the Handbook over > > from LinuxDoc to DocBook. > > Can I ask what the differences and benefits are? As follows; * LinuxDoc is descended from the QWERTZ DTD, and was designed to serve the needs of the Linux Documentation Project. DocBook has been designed to mark up technical books and articles, and has been designed by representatives from a large number of companies (this, for once, has not been a bad thing). It's large, comprehensive, and well supported. * LinuxDoc is designed to be quite close to LaTeX. This means there's a lot of presentational markup (i.e., markup that describes things as being bold, or italic, and so on), a lot like HTML. DocBook contains *no* presentational markup, it's entirely semantic. To write a filename in LinuxDoc you would write /path/to/some/file where "" means "teletype", i.e., a monospaced font. If you wanted to write a command the user types in, you would use the same thing, ls /etc In DocBook, you would write /path/to/some/file ls /etc When processed, both those might be displayed in a monospaced font. However, the DocBook version includes extra information. We don't do it yet, but the DocBook Handbook will eventually include several indices. One of these will be a list of each page where each filename is mentioned, allowing you to quickly see all the places where (for example) ppp.conf is referred to. This index would catch every reference to ppp.conf used as a filename, but would ignore those where it was mentioned as part of a command. So "ppp.conf" would be indexed, but "vi ppp.conf" wouldn't. The only way to do this using LinuxDoc would be to index everywhere 'ppp.conf' appeared, which would *also* catch the second example, which is not what you want. * DocBook is extensible. It's relatively easy to add your own elements, for things that are missing from DocBook. I've done this for the Handbook, adding things like "" and "". This is harder to with LinuxDoc. * The Linux Documentation Project is moving away from LinuxDoc to DocBook. I *think* the FreeBSD Doc. Proj. switched first, and I'm pretty certain the FreeBSD Handbook is the largest free set of documentation that currently uses DocBook. I could be wrong about that though. * There's an XML implementation of DocBook (currently unofficial). This will be more important in the future, as XML browsers become more widespread. * Tools to convert DocBook to other formats are not quite as advanced as the LinuxDoc tools, but are getting their rapidly. As it currently stands in the repository, the DocBook Handbook can be converted to HTML, Postscript, plain text, and Microsoft RTF. A bug that I'll fix this week is currently preventing PDF generation. Word .doc support is in the pipeline as well, probably for the end of this week too (I've now given some money to the evil empire so I can test the output myself). Next on the list will be whatever internal format the Palm Pilot uses. I imagine this won't be too useful for the Handbook, but will probably be quite handy for the FAQ. . . More information at http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 3: 2:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6384D158D9; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA86805; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:01:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:01:45 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: nclayton@lehman.com Cc: Kris Kennaway , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook DocBook cutover complete In-Reply-To: <19990329105741.L23968@lehman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 nclayton@lehman.com wrote: > Kris, > > On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 04:40:22PM +0930, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > Almost a year ago I started the project to switch the Handbook over > > > from LinuxDoc to DocBook. > > > > Can I ask what the differences and benefits are? > > As it currently stands in the repository, the DocBook Handbook can be > converted to HTML, Postscript, plain text, and Microsoft RTF. A bug > that I'll fix this week is currently preventing PDF generation. > > Word .doc support is in the pipeline as well, probably for the end of > this week too (I've now given some money to the evil empire so I can > test the output myself). Why? We can use StarOffice 5.0x, after all. > > Next on the list will be whatever internal format the Palm Pilot uses. > I imagine this won't be too useful for the Handbook, but will probably > be quite handy for the FAQ. . . Do you mean the Memo format or the Doc format? I hope you mean Doc... It might not even be worth it to do this, since a very nice, fast browser (Palmscape) has been around for a while on the Palm, and an offline browser called Plucker. > > More information at > > http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html > > N > -- > --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- > --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- > --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \__ \ |) | http://www.freebsd.org _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 3: 2:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EB614EB3 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-077.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.77]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA98793 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA01309 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:02:28 GMT (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:02:28 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: current@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP!! NOAOUT `make world' knob changed Message-ID: <19990329030228.A1290@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have just changed made a change concerning the building of legacy a.out bits during `make world'. Previous to my change, one would define "NOAOUT" to keep from building the legacy a.out bits. Now one would define "WANT_AOUT" to build them. The default of building a.out bits gets in the way of some other changes I will make to the `build world' process soon. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 3:23:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from firewall2.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4E415431; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:23:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall2.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA24861; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lonmailhost.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17941; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by lonmailhost.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/Lehman Bros. V1.5) id MAA20182; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:22:23 +0100 Message-ID: <19990329122223.D14492@lehman.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:22:23 +0100 From: nclayton@lehman.com To: Brian Feldman Cc: Kris Kennaway , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook DocBook cutover complete References: <19990329105741.L23968@lehman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Brian Feldman on Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 06:01:45AM -0500 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 06:01:45AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote: > > Word .doc support is in the pipeline as well, probably for the end of > > this week too (I've now given some money to the evil empire so I can > > test the output myself). > > Why? We can use StarOffice 5.0x, after all. * Not if you're on a 2.2-stable system. Don't mock, because I still am, until I find the time to upgrade. At least, I could never get it to work solidly for any length of time. I know there have been updates, but there's only so many times I'm prepared to download it. * People who haven't yet switched to using FreeBSD can get a reasonably good printed copy of the documentation (at the moment just the Handbook, but eventually all the docs) on a Windows platform. * My accountant likes various bits and pieces to be entered in to their home grown Access DB. So I needed to get hold of Office anyway (and as an aside, the ODBC driver for Postgres works very nicely). > > Next on the list will be whatever internal format the Palm Pilot uses. > > I imagine this won't be too useful for the Handbook, but will probably > > be quite handy for the FAQ. . . > > Do you mean the Memo format or the Doc format? I hope you mean Doc... It > might not even be worth it to do this, since a very nice, fast browser > (Palmscape) has been around for a while on the Palm, and an offline browser > called Plucker. I don't know yet, I need to get a Pilot :-) I'm open to recommendations, and/or pointers to specifications for the format. And if there are any programmers out there looking for something to do, this could be quite a nice task. N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 3:35: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7618D15524; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA87088; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:34:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:34:27 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: nclayton@lehman.com Cc: Kris Kennaway , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook DocBook cutover complete In-Reply-To: <19990329122223.D14492@lehman.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 nclayton@lehman.com wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 06:01:45AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > Word .doc support is in the pipeline as well, probably for the end of > > > this week too (I've now given some money to the evil empire so I can > > > test the output myself). > > > > Why? We can use StarOffice 5.0x, after all. > > * Not if you're on a 2.2-stable system. Don't mock, because I still am, > until I find the time to upgrade. At least, I could never get it to work > solidly for any length of time. I know there have been updates, but > there's only so many times I'm prepared to download it. I meant use StarOffice to test out the Office .docs. > > * People who haven't yet switched to using FreeBSD can get a reasonably > good printed copy of the documentation (at the moment just the Handbook, > but eventually all the docs) on a Windows platform. > > * My accountant likes various bits and pieces to be entered in to their > home grown Access DB. So I needed to get hold of Office anyway (and as > an aside, the ODBC driver for Postgres works very nicely). > > > > Next on the list will be whatever internal format the Palm Pilot uses. > > > I imagine this won't be too useful for the Handbook, but will probably > > > be quite handy for the FAQ. . . > > > > Do you mean the Memo format or the Doc format? I hope you mean Doc... It > > might not even be worth it to do this, since a very nice, fast browser > > (Palmscape) has been around for a while on the Palm, and an offline browser > > called Plucker. > > I don't know yet, I need to get a Pilot :-) I'm open to recommendations, > and/or pointers to specifications for the format. Doc is a nice format, but it's not hypertext. Check out ports/palm/pilot_makedoc > > And if there are any programmers out there looking for something to do, > this could be quite a nice task. > > N > -- > --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- > --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- > --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \__ \ |) | http://www.freebsd.org _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 5:37:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A70314FD7 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@y.dyson.net) Received: (qmail 11656 invoked from network); 29 Mar 1999 13:36:54 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (HELO y.dyson.net) (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 29 Mar 1999 13:36:54 -0000 Received: (from toor@localhost) by y.dyson.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA00405; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:36:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903291336.IAA00405@y.dyson.net> Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: <199903281858.UAA55984@freebsd.dk> from Soren Schmidt at "Mar 28, 99 08:58:33 pm" To: sos@freebsd.dk (Soren Schmidt) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:36:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@freebsd.org From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@iquest.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Soren Schmidt said: > > DMA support has been added to the ATA disk driver. > This only works on Intel PIIX3/4, Acer Aladdin and Promise controllers. > The promise support works without the BIOS on the board, > and timing modes are set to support up to UDMA speed. This > solves the problems with having more than one promise controller > in the same system. > Excellent!!! -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@iquest.net | it makes one look stupid jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 5:58:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A5C15405 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA57987; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:58:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199903291358.PAA57987@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: <199903291336.IAA00405@y.dyson.net> from "John S. Dyson" at "Mar 29, 1999 8:36:51 am" To: dyson@iquest.net Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:58:34 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems John S. Dyson wrote: > Soren Schmidt said: > > > > DMA support has been added to the ATA disk driver. > > This only works on Intel PIIX3/4, Acer Aladdin and Promise controllers. > > The promise support works without the BIOS on the board, > > and timing modes are set to support up to UDMA speed. This > > solves the problems with having more than one promise controller > > in the same system. > Excellent!!! Yeah, except there is a bug in the code that always makes the promise use PIO mode :), fix coming as soon as I get home from work in an hour or so... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 6:36: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from room101.wuppy.rcs.ru (unknown [195.9.65.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B751157B6 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:35:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from romanp@wuppy.rcs.ru) Received: from room101.wuppy.rcs.ru (room101.wuppy.rcs.ru [194.84.206.44]) by room101.wuppy.rcs.ru (8.9.3.NOMIME/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA79370 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:35:06 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from romanp@wuppy.rcs.ru) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:35:05 +0400 (MSD) From: "Roman V. Palagin" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Status of 'tee' firewall action Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! What the status of 'tee' action? Anybody working on it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roman V. Palagin | RVP1-6BONE, RP40-RIPE | Network Administrator ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 6:43:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from noc.demon.net (server.noc.demon.net [193.195.224.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7574B14E92 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: by noc.demon.net; id PAA23988; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:43:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net(195.11.55.83) by inside.noc.demon.net via smap (3.2) id xma023964; Mon, 29 Mar 99 15:43:16 +0100 Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 1.73 #2) id 10RdG0-0006C0-00; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:43:16 +0100 To: current@freebsd.org From: Tony Finch Subject: booting systems with lots of memory Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:43:16 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We have a Quad 400MHz Xeon on evaluation here and we're trying to get a large memory configuration working. The machine is running a recent 3.1-STABLE with the kva patch from -CURRENT (appended below). When we have a working system with 1GB of RAM we'll increase it to 3GB of RAM and see how it runs. The boot blocks are from 3.0-RELEASE and they will boot the old a.out kernel via /boot/loader quite happily. We haven't yet managed to boot an ELF kernel, though (but we haven't tried to boot an unpatched one). It's also somewhat painful to debug because the machine is miles away and its serial console is causing trouble. Are there any obvious things we have missed? I assume the kernel load address is read by /boot/loader from the kernel's ELF header, so that a recent loader can cope. I also assume that the patch included below tweaks all of the required knobs. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386,v retrieving revision 1.140 retrieving revision 1.141 diff -p -u -r1.140 -r1.141 --- src/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386 1999/03/01 09:54:51 1.140 +++ /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386 1999/03/11 18:28:41 1.141 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ # Makefile.i386 -- with config changes. # Copyright 1990 W. Jolitz # from: @(#)Makefile.i386 7.1 5/10/91 -# $Id: Makefile.i386,v 1.140 1999/03/01 09:54:51 dt Exp $ +# $Id: Makefile.i386,v 1.141 1999/03/11 18:28:41 dg Exp $ # # Makefile for FreeBSD # @@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ CFLAGS+= -elf CFLAGS+= -aout .endif -LOAD_ADDRESS?= F0100000 +LOAD_ADDRESS?= C0100000 DEFINED_PROF= ${PROF} .if defined(PROF) CFLAGS+= -malign-functions=4 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/kernel.script,v retrieving revision 1.1 retrieving revision 1.2 diff -p -u -r1.1 -r1.2 --- src/sys/i386/conf/kernel.script 1998/09/30 12:14:39 1.1 +++ /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/kernel.script 1999/03/11 18:28:42 1.2 @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@ SEARCH_DIR(/usr/lib); SEARCH_DIR(/usr/ob SECTIONS { /* Read-only sections, merged into text segment: */ - . = 0xf0100000 + SIZEOF_HEADERS; + . = 0xc0100000 + SIZEOF_HEADERS; .interp : { *(.interp) } .hash : { *(.hash) } .dynsym : { *(.dynsym) } =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/include/pmap.h,v retrieving revision 1.58 retrieving revision 1.59 diff -p -u -r1.58 -r1.59 --- src/sys/i386/include/pmap.h 1999/03/02 16:20:39 1.58 +++ /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/include/pmap.h 1999/03/11 18:28:46 1.59 @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ * * from: hp300: @(#)pmap.h 7.2 (Berkeley) 12/16/90 * from: @(#)pmap.h 7.4 (Berkeley) 5/12/91 - * $Id: pmap.h,v 1.58 1999/03/02 16:20:39 dg Exp $ + * $Id: pmap.h,v 1.59 1999/03/11 18:28:46 dg Exp $ */ #ifndef _MACHINE_PMAP_H_ @@ -88,13 +88,13 @@ #define VADDR(pdi, pti) ((vm_offset_t)(((pdi)<; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id HAA29105; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:30:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990329073057.A28023@best.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:30:57 -0800 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: Tony Finch , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: booting systems with lots of memory References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Tony Finch on Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 03:43:16PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 03:43:16PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > We have a Quad 400MHz Xeon on evaluation here and we're trying to get > a large memory configuration working. The machine is running a recent > 3.1-STABLE with the kva patch from -CURRENT (appended below). When we > have a working system with 1GB of RAM we'll increase it to 3GB of RAM > and see how it runs. > > The boot blocks are from 3.0-RELEASE and they will boot the old a.out > kernel via /boot/loader quite happily. We haven't yet managed to boot > an ELF kernel, though (but we haven't tried to boot an unpatched one). > It's also somewhat painful to debug because the machine is miles away > and its serial console is causing trouble. > > Are there any obvious things we have missed? I assume the kernel load > address is read by /boot/loader from the kernel's ELF header, so that > a recent loader can cope. I also assume that the patch included below > tweaks all of the required knobs. Yes, you need to patch load_elf.c -- here is what I have: nautilus% diff -u load_elf.c /usr/src/sys/boot/common/load_elf.c --- load_elf.c Mon Mar 29 07:29:18 1999 +++ /usr/src/sys/boot/common/load_elf.c Mon Jan 4 10:37:41 1999 @@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ firstaddr = lastaddr = 0; if (kernel) { #ifdef __i386__ - off = - (off & 0xff000000u); + off = 0x10000000; /* -0xf0000000 - i386 relocates after locore */ #else off = 0; /* alpha is direct mapped for kernels */ #endif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 7:59:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme75.sunshine.net [209.17.178.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8859315000 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:59:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00619 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:58:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make buildworld fails Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Updated as of the build ... Script started on Sun Mar 28 22:46:48 1999 # make -DCLOBBER -j6 buildworld -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Cleaning up the temporary elf build tree -------------------------------------------------------------- mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp chflags -R noschg /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/ rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Making make < .. skipping .. > cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/getvfsent.c -o getvfsent.o cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/glob.c -o glob.o cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/initgroups.c -o initgroups.o cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/isatty.c -o isatty.o cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/jrand48.c -o jrand48.o In file included from /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/isatty.c:42: /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/pthread_private.h:793: parse error before `_sched_switch_hook' /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/pthread_private.h:797: warning: data definition has no type or storage class *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error -- Regards, Kevin G. Eliuk Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 8:26:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385A414D0C for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id LAA03889; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:25:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:25:56 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <199903291625.LAA03889@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net Subject: Re: make buildworld fails Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kevin G. Eliuk wrote: > cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include > -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread > -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale > -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include > -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/jrand48.c -o jrand48.o > In file included from /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/isatty.c:42: > /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/pthread_private.h:793: parse error before `_sched_switch_hook' > /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/pthread_private.h:797: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > *** Error code 1 Has src/include been updated? The missing type should be in src/include/pthread_np.h (pthread_switch_routine_t). Dan Eischen eischen@vigrid.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 8:45:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from noc.demon.net (server.noc.demon.net [193.195.224.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F9914C43 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:45:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: by noc.demon.net; id RAA14781; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:45:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net(195.11.55.83) by inside.noc.demon.net via smap (3.2) id xma014756; Mon, 29 Mar 99 17:45:03 +0100 Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 1.73 #2) id 10Rf9p-0006JR-00; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:45:01 +0100 To: jkb@best.com, current@freebsd.org From: Tony Finch Cc: Tony Finch Subject: Re: booting systems with lots of memory In-Reply-To: <19990329073057.A28023@best.com> References: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:45:02 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jan B. Koum " wrote: >Tony Finch wrote: >> >> Are there any obvious things we have missed? I assume the kernel load >> address is read by /boot/loader from the kernel's ELF header, so that >> a recent loader can cope. I also assume that the patch included below >> tweaks all of the required knobs. > > Yes, you need to patch load_elf.c Excellent! Thanks for the quick reply. Will /boot/loader still be able to boot old kernels after this patch? (I'm reluctant to completely hose the machine...) Also, w.r.t. the serial console problems, can I set the baud rate early in the boot sequence, and if so, how? The console works once getty puts up a login prompt but not before then, and I get a whole lot of garbage that I guess is baud barf (I wouldn't know for sure -- too much of a newbie). Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 8:55:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8AB14C0B for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:55:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id IAA13804; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:54:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990329085443.A12419@best.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:54:43 -0800 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: Tony Finch , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting systems with lots of memory References: <19990329073057.A28023@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Tony Finch on Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 05:45:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 05:45:02PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > "Jan B. Koum " wrote: > >Tony Finch wrote: > >> > >> Are there any obvious things we have missed? I assume the kernel load > >> address is read by /boot/loader from the kernel's ELF header, so that > >> a recent loader can cope. I also assume that the patch included below > >> tweaks all of the required knobs. > > > > Yes, you need to patch load_elf.c > > Excellent! Thanks for the quick reply. Will /boot/loader still be able > to boot old kernels after this patch? (I'm reluctant to completely > hose the machine...) AFAIK it should. Not sure myself to be honest :( > > Also, w.r.t. the serial console problems, can I set the baud rate > early in the boot sequence, and if so, how? The console works once > getty puts up a login prompt but not before then, and I get a whole > lot of garbage that I guess is baud barf (I wouldn't know for sure -- > too much of a newbie). > Don't know. I don't use serial console. Did you check http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/FTL/bootstrap.txt for any info? -- Yan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 9:18:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AC11502B for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:18:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA65682; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:14:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:14:05 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: "Roman V. Palagin" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of 'tee' firewall action In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unfortunatly the 'tee' option is quite a bit more complicated than it looks.this is because teh normal way that packets get to divert sockets and the way it'd have to get there from a 'tee' are kinda incompatible. It can be done but it's just not quite as straight forward as it first appears.. julian On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Roman V. Palagin wrote: > Hello! > > What the status of 'tee' action? Anybody working on it? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Roman V. Palagin | RVP1-6BONE, RP40-RIPE | Network Administrator > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 9:19:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from chiark.greenend.org.uk (chiark.greenend.org.uk [195.224.76.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5426C158D6 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:19:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@chiark.greenend.org.uk) Received: from fanf by chiark.greenend.org.uk with local (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10RfgV-0006u1-00 (Debian); Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:18:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14079.46583.208347.306328@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:18:47 +0100 (BST) From: Tony Finch To: "Jan B. Koum " Cc: Tony Finch , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting systems with lots of memory In-Reply-To: <19990329085443.A12419@best.com> References: <19990329073057.A28023@best.com> <19990329085443.A12419@best.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.47 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jan B. Koum writes: > Tony Finch wrote: > > > > Excellent! Thanks for the quick reply. Will /boot/loader still be able > > to boot old kernels after this patch? (I'm reluctant to completely > > hose the machine...) > > AFAIK it should. Not sure myself to be honest :( Well, I took the plunge and booted with the new loader and the box came back fine, so I'm less worried about booting old kernels. Tomorrow we try it with 3GB of RAM :-) > > Also, w.r.t. the serial console problems, can I set the baud rate > > early in the boot sequence, and if so, how? The console works once > > getty puts up a login prompt but not before then, and I get a whole > > lot of garbage that I guess is baud barf (I wouldn't know for sure -- > > too much of a newbie). > > Don't know. I don't use serial console. Did you check > http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/FTL/bootstrap.txt for any info? I did, yes. Most of that is now in the loader(8) manual. I tried changing /boot.config to contain "/boot/loader -h" which improved matters. There's still some garbage but it's fine after ">> FreeBSD BOOT @ 0x10000: 634/15360 k of memory, serial console". We suspect a BIOS that's being too damn clever for its own good. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@demon.net dot@dotat.at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 11:42:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (s205m7.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493CB14CA3 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:42:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA28510; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:40:42 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199903291940.LAA28510@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Status of 'tee' firewall action In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "Mar 29, 99 09:14:05 am" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:40:42 -0800 (PST) Cc: romanp@wuppy.rcs.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer writes: > Unfortunatly the 'tee' option is quite a bit more complicated than it > looks.this is because teh normal way that packets get to divert sockets > and the way it'd have to get there from a 'tee' are kinda incompatible. > > It can be done but it's just not quite as straight forward as it first > appears.. > > On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Roman V. Palagin wrote: > > > > What the status of 'tee' action? Anybody working on it? As a workaround, use "divert" instead of "tee" and immediately write any packet you read, using the same struct sockaddr, back to the socket. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 12:10:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CC514C19 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00525; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:03:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903292003.MAA00525@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Tony Finch Cc: "Jan B. Koum " , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: booting systems with lots of memory In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:18:47 +0100." <14079.46583.208347.306328@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:03:26 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I did, yes. Most of that is now in the loader(8) manual. I tried > changing /boot.config to contain "/boot/loader -h" which improved > matters. There's still some garbage but it's fine after ">> FreeBSD > BOOT @ 0x10000: 634/15360 k of memory, serial console". We suspect a > BIOS that's being too damn clever for its own good. That sounds about right. If your BIOS on the Intel box is set for a serial console, you could try poking it again to make sure that it's set for 9600 bps and that the various 'magic' options relating to remote health monitoring are all off. I'd fire the one here up to be more specific, but it trips the breaker on this row of offices... -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 12:29:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F4114DEE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:29:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id WAA11475 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:29:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id WAA27432 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:29:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vodix.aremorika (vodix [134.96.247.43]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id WAA13778 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:29:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Received: by vodix.aremorika; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:29:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:29:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199903292029.WAA01377@vodix.aremorika> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Bug with afd0 (zip-drive) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm not able to use msdos disks with afd0. It isn't usable with the mtools too (yes, I've used MAKEDEV to make the needed dev-nodes). cvsup at 7pm CET. "not able to use": > mdir z: init Z: non DOS media Cannot initialize 'Z:' > mount /zip msdos: /dev/afd0s4: Invalid argument Am I missing something? Bye, Alexander. P.S.: dmesg/... at request via private mail. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 12:41:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F9614BD6 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:41:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id WAA11489 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id WAA27472 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:41:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vodix.aremorika (vodix [134.96.247.43]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id WAA14711 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:41:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Received: by vodix.aremorika; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:41:14 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:41:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199903292041.WAA01387@vodix.aremorika> To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Bug with VESA? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, cvsup 7pm CET. I'm not able to switch to 132x60 anymore. Last cvsup was around feb 1999. dmesg: VESA: v0.40, 40960k memory, flags:0x74610000, mode table: 0xc08de022 (280c000) ^^^^^ seems to be wrong (4096k) VESA: Matrox Graphics Inc. (it's a Mystique 220) vga0: rev 0x03 int a irq 11 on pci0.12.0 sc0: flags 0x6 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x6> More (dmesg/...) on request via private mail. Bye, Alexander. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 13: 0:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kar.net (n182.cdialup.kar.net [195.178.130.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D967114D06 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:59:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kushn@mail.kar.net) Received: from localhost (volodya@localhost) by mail.kar.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA32896; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:58:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kushn@mail.kar.net) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:58:53 +0300 (EEST) From: Vladimir Kushnir X-Sender: volodya@kushnir.kiev.ua To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld fails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I had exactly the same. Have you by chance got an old /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/pthread{.h,_nb.h}? Then remove them, they conflict with /usr/src/include/pthread{.h,_nb.h}. On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Kevin G. Eliuk wrote: > > Updated as of the build ... > > Script started on Sun Mar 28 22:46:48 1999 > # make -DCLOBBER -j6 buildworld > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Cleaning up the temporary elf build tree > -------------------------------------------------------------- > mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp > chflags -R noschg /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/ > rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Making make > > < .. skipping .. > > > cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/getvfsent.c -o getvfsent.o > cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/glob.c -o glob.o > cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/initgroups.c -o initgroups.o > cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/isatty.c -o isatty.o > cc -O -pipe -DLIBC_RCS -DSYSLIBC_RCS -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/include -DPTHREAD_KERNEL -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNOPOLL -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread -D__DBINTERFACE_PRIVATE -DPOSIX_MISTAKE -I/usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/locale -DBROKEN_DES -DYP -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/jrand48.c -o jrand48.o > In file included from /usr/src/lib/libc_r/../libc/gen/isatty.c:42: > /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/pthread_private.h:793: parse error before `_sched_switch_hook' > /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/pthread_private.h:797: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > > -- > Regards, > Kevin G. Eliuk > Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org > Regards, Vladimir ===========================|======================= Vladimir Kushnir | kushn@mail.kar.net, | Powered by FreeBSD kushnir@ap3.bitp.kiev.ua | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 14: 9:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D1814F63 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA01741 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb01f39.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA14749; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:09:35 -0500 Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bb01f39.unx.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA55894 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:09:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jwd) From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199903292209.RAA55894@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Subject: make release & doc failure To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:09:35 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Subject says it all... Thanks, John ===> Cleaning for tidy-0.1.99.1 ===> Cleaning for docproj-1.0 ===> FAQ sgmlfmt -f html -links /usr/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml sgmlfmt: not found *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 15:52: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09ABC14C4F for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:51:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA27471; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:32 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA24172; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:26 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990330092126.U413@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:21:26 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: obrien@NUXI.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP!! NOAOUT `make world' knob changed References: <19990329030228.A1290@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990329030228.A1290@dragon.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 03:02:28AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 29 March 1999 at 3:02:28 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > I have just changed made a change concerning the building of legacy a.out > bits during `make world'. > > Previous to my change, one would define "NOAOUT" to keep from building > the legacy a.out bits. Now one would define "WANT_AOUT" to build them. OK, which bits? Does this mean that new systems will no longer run a.out binaries? Or will the libraries no longer be built? Will the existing ones be removed? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 15:56:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D71015901 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA57047; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:56:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:56:20 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Greg Lehey Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP!! NOAOUT `make world' knob changed Message-ID: <19990329155620.B56680@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19990329030228.A1290@dragon.nuxi.com> <19990330092126.U413@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990330092126.U413@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 09:21:26AM +0930 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Previous to my change, one would define "NOAOUT" to keep from building > > the legacy a.out bits. Now one would define "WANT_AOUT" to build them. > Does this mean that new systems will no longer run a.out binaries? No. > Or will the libraries no longer be built? Yes. > Will the existing ones be removed? No. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 16:13:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE3F14E4F for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:7DRp4+yMnDWdU/CmZMUxE9ZSVaW//Iij@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29186; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:12:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id JAA01403; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:16:26 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199903300016.JAA01403@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: Alexander Leidinger Cc: current@freebsd.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: Bug with VESA? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:41:14 +0200." <199903292041.WAA01387@vodix.aremorika> References: <199903292041.WAA01387@vodix.aremorika> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:16:25 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >cvsup 7pm CET. > >I'm not able to switch to 132x60 anymore. Last cvsup was around feb 1999. Please check the revision of /sys/i386/isa/vesa.c. Is it 1.18 or 1.19? I committed fix for a palette loading problem in vesa.c at 7am PST. This is the latest revision (1.19). The modification has nothing to do with the VESA BIOS initialization and shouldn't be causing this sort of problem. But,... >dmesg: >VESA: v0.40, 40960k memory, flags:0x74610000, mode table: 0xc08de022 (280c000) ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ^^^^^ seems to be wrong (4096k) They all look wrong ;-< >VESA: Matrox Graphics Inc. > (it's a Mystique 220) Right. I think I can find one around here. >vga0: rev 0x03 int a ir >q >11 on pci0.12.0 >sc0: flags 0x6 on isa >sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x6> > >More (dmesg/...) on request via private mail. Please give the '-v' option at the boot loader prompt when starting the kernel. and send me the complete dmesg output and your kernel configuration file. Thank you for your cooperation. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 16:52:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail-out.visi.com (tele.visi.com [209.98.98.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429D41547E for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:52:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mestery@visi.com) Received: from isis.visi.com (isis.visi.com [209.98.98.8]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952771F940 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:52:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by isis.visi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA26316 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:52:13 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: isis.visi.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:52:13 -0600 (CST) From: To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: nfs_getpages: error 4, vm_fault Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, I am running two machines with current from Sunday, March 28 at 3:20PM CST, but the problems I am seeing I have seen for a while now (about a month). I thought an upgrade might fix them. Here are the specs on the machines: Machine A: Dual PPro 200MHz, 128MB RAM, SCSI disks on an onboard Adaptec 7880, rl0 driver (Realtek 8139) Machine B: Dual Pentium 133, 64MB RAM, IDE disks, xl0 driver (3COM 905B) Both machines are connected via a 10/100 hub, and are operating at 100Mb/s half duplex. Machine A is the NFS server, and machine B is the client. Machine B runs apache and serves up some web pages over NFS from machine A. I am mounting with options rw,intr in machine B's fstab. According to the mount_nfs manpage, I am using nfsv3 since my server allows that. When certain files on machine A are accessed by the web daemon on machine B, the httpd process hangs, and when I eventually use apachectl to stop it, here is what is printed out on machine B's console: Mar 29 18:30:04 wall /kernel: nfs_getpages: error 4 Mar 29 18:30:04 wall /kernel: vm_fault: pager read error, pid 274 (httpd) I can reproduce this fairly easily if need be. I looked in the mail archives, but didn't see anyone else seeing this problem recently. Anyone have any clues on this one? I can provide more information if needed. Thanks. -- Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Storage Networking Group Protect your right to privacy: www.freecrypto.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 18: 0:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC4914BD8 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:00:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA85632; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:55:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: mestery@visi.com Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nfs_getpages: error 4, vm_fault In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You might try instrumenting nfs/nfs_bio.c to find where the EINTR is coming from. If it's reproducible then you should be able (with a few reboots) to track it back quite a distance. julian On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 mestery@visi.com wrote: > > Greetings, > > I am running two machines with current from Sunday, March 28 at 3:20PM > CST, but the problems I am seeing I have seen for a while now (about a > month). I thought an upgrade might fix them. Here are the specs on the > machines: > > Machine A: > Dual PPro 200MHz, 128MB RAM, SCSI disks on an onboard Adaptec 7880, rl0 > driver (Realtek 8139) > > Machine B: > Dual Pentium 133, 64MB RAM, IDE disks, xl0 driver (3COM 905B) > > Both machines are connected via a 10/100 hub, and are operating at > 100Mb/s half duplex. Machine A is the NFS server, and machine B is the > client. Machine B runs apache and serves up some web pages over NFS > from machine A. I am mounting with options rw,intr in machine B's > fstab. According to the mount_nfs manpage, I am using nfsv3 since my > server allows that. When certain files on machine A are accessed by the > web daemon on machine B, the httpd process hangs, and when I eventually > use apachectl to stop it, here is what is printed out on machine B's > console: > > Mar 29 18:30:04 wall /kernel: nfs_getpages: error 4 > Mar 29 18:30:04 wall /kernel: vm_fault: pager read error, pid 274 > (httpd) > > I can reproduce this fairly easily if need be. I looked in the mail > archives, but didn't see anyone else seeing this problem recently. Anyone > have any clues on this one? I can provide more information if needed. > Thanks. > > -- > Kyle Mestery > StorageTek's Storage Networking Group > Protect your right to privacy: www.freecrypto.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 20:46:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from detlev.UUCP (57-sweet.camalott.com [208.239.153.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F0A14DB7 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:46:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA00584; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:45:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP!! NOAOUT `make world' knob changed References: <19990329030228.A1290@dragon.nuxi.com> From: Joel Ray Holveck Date: 29 Mar 1999 22:45:27 -0600 In-Reply-To: "David O'Brien"'s message of "Mon, 29 Mar 1999 03:02:28 -0800" Message-ID: <86pv5regbc.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have just changed made a change concerning the building of legacy a.out > bits during `make world'. > Previous to my change, one would define "NOAOUT" to keep from building > the legacy a.out bits. Now one would define "WANT_AOUT" to build them. > The default of building a.out bits gets in the way of some other changes > I will make to the `build world' process soon. Will WANT_AOUT be considered a supported option? That is, if I choose to build a.out libraries, will I be giving up the right to gripe when `make world' breaks, and be resigned to the ranks of the NOCLEAN masses? Cheers, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 20:56:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1400E14DB7 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:56:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id UAA19905; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:56:21 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Joel Ray Holveck Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP!! NOAOUT `make world' knob changed Message-ID: <19990329205621.A19813@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19990329030228.A1290@dragon.nuxi.com> <86pv5regbc.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <86pv5regbc.fsf@detlev.UUCP>; from Joel Ray Holveck on Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 10:45:27PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Will WANT_AOUT be considered a supported option? If I can get it to work. > That is, if I choose to build a.out libraries, will I be giving up the > right to gripe when `make world' breaks, and be resigned to the ranks > of the NOCLEAN masses? At this time (well... you will know when you time comes). Right now, I do need it tested that WANT_AOUT works. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 21: 7:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme170.sunshine.net [209.17.178.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233B2158E4 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00783; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:04:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: Vladimir Kushnir Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld fails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Vladimir Kushnir wrote: > Hi, > I had exactly the same. Have you by chance got an old > /usr/src/lib/libc_r/uthread/pthread{.h,_nb.h}? That's an affirmative, I've moved them and will retry the build just as soon as I look into this new egcs stuff I checked out :) -- Regards, Kevin G. Eliuk Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Mar 29 23:26:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from culverk.student.umd.edu (culverk.student.umd.edu [129.2.164.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8DB14D29 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:26:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (culverk@localhost) by culverk.student.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA00246 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:28:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from culverk@wam.umd.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: culverk.student.umd.edu: culverk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:28:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth Wayne Culver X-Sender: culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu To: current@freebsd.org Subject: the ATA driver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just letting someone know/confirming something: The ata drivers cvsupped 10 minutes ago have slowed my disk access to a crawl. I went from 12 MB per second to 6 MB per second. Just thought I'd let someone know because this seems to be a major problem. Thanks. Kenneth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 1:34:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3ABE15A06 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:34:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA60345; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:33:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199903300933.LAA60345@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: the ATA driver In-Reply-To: from Kenneth Wayne Culver at "Mar 30, 1999 2:28: 0 am" To: culverk@wam.umd.edu (Kenneth Wayne Culver) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:33:45 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote: > Just letting someone know/confirming something: > > The ata drivers cvsupped 10 minutes ago have slowed my disk access to a > crawl. I went from 12 MB per second to 6 MB per second. Just thought I'd > let someone know because this seems to be a major problem. Thanks. This can only be the case on a Promise controller, I have allready committed a fix for that (it always selected PIO mode). A current quick test on a 5400RPM IBM disk shows: IOZONE performance measurements: 9768393 bytes/second for writing the file 11820143 bytes/second for reading the file Remember that we have lost significant I/O bandwidth currently due to changes in vfs_bio and freinds. -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 3:20: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4286E15AB4 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (async3-30.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.229]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14614; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:20:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA11810; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:19:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <3700B364.BCC35D7E@altavista.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:20:04 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Reply-To: sobomax@altavista.net Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Soren Schmidt Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. References: <199903281858.UAA55984@freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Soren, New ata driver (cvsup'ed several minutes ago) locks my box solid (only reset button can help). Bug is fully reproducible on my machine (Toshiba Satellite Pro 445). I using the following command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0s2 bs=1024k. It works several minutes then IDE led turns off and box freezes. Interesting that when I looking at systat -vm measures, performance constantly degrades from 3.3MB/s to 2.5MB/s. Bug exist either in single-user and in multi-user mode. Following is relevant dmesg pieces from my dmesg output: --- ad0: ATA-? disk at ata0 as master ad0: 1376MB (2818368 sectors), 2796 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=-1 ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, PIO mode ---- ad0s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 1433375, size 1433313 : OK ad0s2: type 0xa5, start 1433376, end = 2818367, size 1384992 : OK Sincerely, Maxim Sobolev   To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 3:29:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AF414E05 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:29:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA60572; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:29:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199903301129.NAA60572@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: <3700B364.BCC35D7E@altavista.net> from Maxim Sobolev at "Mar 30, 1999 2:20: 4 pm" To: sobomax@altavista.net Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Maxim Sobolev wrote: > >New ata driver (cvsup'ed several minutes ago) locks my box solid (only >reset but ton can help). Bug is fully reproducible on my machine (Toshiba Satellite Pro 445). >I using the following command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0s2 bs=1024k. It >works several minutes then IDE led turns off and box freezes. Interesting that >when I looking at systat -vm measures, performance constantly degrades from >3.3MB/s to 2.5MB/s. >Bug exist either in single-user and in multi-user mode. Following is relevant dmesg pieces from my dmesg output: Hmm, are you sure you want to WRITE all those zeros to your disk ?? However it should not hang before the end of disk is reached that is. Have you tried reading all of the disk instead, does that hang ?? The degradation is probably becuse the transferrate of the disk slows down as you get closer to the center of the disk. Have you anu idea on how much data is transferred ?? how long is it running ?? -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 3:43:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from titan.metropolitan.at (unknown [195.212.98.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB22414E02 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mladavac@metropolitan.at) Received: by TITAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:45:20 +0200 Message-ID: <97A8CA5BF490D211A94F0000F6C2E55D097577@s-lmh-wi-900.corpnet.at> From: Ladavac Marino To: 'Soren Schmidt' , sobomax@altavista.net Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:39:53 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Soren Schmidt [SMTP:sos@freebsd.dk] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 1:29 PM > To: sobomax@altavista.net > Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. >=20 > It seems Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > >New ata driver (cvsup'ed several minutes ago) locks my box solid > (only > >reset but ton can help). Bug is fully reproducible on my machine > (Toshiba Satellite Pro 445). > >I using the following command: dd if=3D/dev/zero of=3D/dev/ad0s2 > bs=3D1024k. It > >works several minutes then IDE led turns off and box freezes. > Interesting that > >when I looking at systat -vm measures, performance constantly > degrades from > >3.3MB/s to 2.5MB/s.=20 > >Bug exist either in single-user and in multi-user mode. Following is > relevant dmesg pieces from my dmesg output: >=20 > Hmm, are you sure you want to WRITE all those zeros to your disk ?? > However it should not hang before the end of disk is reached that is. > Have you tried reading all of the disk instead, does that hang ?? > The degradation is probably becuse the transferrate of the disk slows > down as you get closer to the center of the disk. > Have you anu idea on how much data is transferred ?? how long is it > running ?? [ML] Also, is there any swapping area on that slice? Because if there is and kernel has been told to use it (AFAIR swapon happens even in single user mode) you have just obliterated the kernel pages (kernel is pageable these days IIRC, at least the data if not the = code). /Marino > -S=F8ren >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 3:44: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EEB714EDA for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 03:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA60602; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:43:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199903301143.NAA60602@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. In-Reply-To: <199903301129.NAA60572@freebsd.dk> from Soren Schmidt at "Mar 30, 1999 1:29: 8 pm" To: sos@freebsd.dk (Soren Schmidt) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:43:35 +0200 (CEST) Cc: sobomax@altavista.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > >New ata driver (cvsup'ed several minutes ago) locks my box solid (only > >reset but ton can help). Bug is fully reproducible on my machine (Toshiba Satellite Pro 445). > >I using the following command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0s2 bs=1024k. It > >works several minutes then IDE led turns off and box freezes. Interesting that > >when I looking at systat -vm measures, performance constantly degrades from > >3.3MB/s to 2.5MB/s. > >Bug exist either in single-user and in multi-user mode. Following is relevant dmesg pieces from my dmesg output: > > Hmm, are you sure you want to WRITE all those zeros to your disk ?? > However it should not hang before the end of disk is reached that is. > Have you tried reading all of the disk instead, does that hang ?? > The degradation is probably becuse the transferrate of the disk slows > down as you get closer to the center of the disk. > Have you anu idea on how much data is transferred ?? how long is it > running ?? OH, I forgot to ask if you have any powersaving stuff enabled too, as the new driver dont know about that yet, if the disk goes to sleep under its feet it will die, but given access to the disk thats probably not likely... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 4:24:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F99814E9A for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@camtech.com.au) Received: from dialup-ad-12-79.camtech.net.au (dialup-ad-12-79.camtech.net.au [203.55.242.79]) by goliath.camtech.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id VAA18094; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:59:06 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:53:36 +0930 (CST) From: Matthew Thyer X-Sender: matt@localhost Reply-To: thyerm@camtech.com.au To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu Subject: Re: RealTek driver woes In-Reply-To: <199903251417.WAA16592@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There are certain RealTek chipsets that perform very badly in both Windows and FreeBSD in my experience. This is due to poor hardware design as far as the FreeBSD driver author could see. Replace your network card with a $30 PCI 10/100 card that is not a RealTek such as the VIA Technologies VT3043 `Rhine I' and VT86C100A `Rhine II' chips and you'll get much better performance (FreeBSD 'vr' driver). Search the cvs-all mailing list archives for mail re: the 'rl' driver. In my experience: A no-one could get files from a firend of mine's Windows 95 box but he copy them to other peoples machines. If you did manage to get a small file it was corrupt. Under FreeBSD we had the same lockups you are having (using UTP). If we used coax (BNC) it worked fine. This was all at 10 Mbps. We didn't test Windows on coax. Now that we have put a Rhine based card in his machine both Windows and FreeBSD are working fine at ~1 MB/s through put (at 10 Mbps) and NFS is working fine. On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > I'm running a RealTek ethernet card in a 486dx4-100 machine and am having some > problems. Firstly, doing an ls on a nfs mounted directory exported from the > RealTek machine hangs. According to tcpdump it is receiving the readdir > packets. Secondly, it will hange solidly when acting as the receiver (haven't > tried it as the sender) running the netpipe tests (NPtcp -s -r receiving, the > sender runs NP -t -h host_rl -s) - no DDB, just a solid hang. An ISA SMC card > in the same machine is fine. I've tried it with RL_USEIOSPACE defined and > undefined. This is running a very current system, with the id string > > $Id: if_rl.c,v 1.12 1999/02/23 15:38:25 wpaul Exp$ > > Here's the dmesg output. > > Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #1: Thu Mar 25 21:37:03 WST 1999 > toor@bloop.craftncomp.com:/data/src/sys/compile/bleep > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: AMD Enhanced Am486DX4 Write-Through (486-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x484 Stepping=4 > Features=0x1 > real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) > avail memory = 13750272 (13428K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02c3000. > Preloaded elf module "linux.ko" at 0xc02c309c. > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > chip0: rev 0x00 on pci0.0.0 > rl0: rev 0x10 int a irq 9 on pci0.4.0 > rl0: Ethernet address: 00:00:e8:53:a2:3e > rl0: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 10Mbps) > Probing for PnP devices: > Probing for devices on the ISA bus: > sc0 on isa > sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 10 maddr 0xd8000 msize 16384 on isa > ed0: address 00:00:c0:d2:b2:72, type SMC8216T (16 bit) > atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard > atkbd0 irq 1 on isa > ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa > ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode > lpt0: on ppbus 0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa > sio0: type 16550A > sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa > sio1: type 16550A > pca0 on motherboard > pca0: PC speaker audio driver > ata0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa > fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in > vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa > npx0 on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding > disabled, logging disabled > ad0: ATA-4 disk at ata0 as master > ad0: 4103MB (8404830 sectors), 8894 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue > changing root device to ad0s2a > > > Stephen > -- > The views expressed above are not those of PGS Tensor. > > "People often think of research as a form of development -- that it's about > doing exactly what you planned, doing it on time, and doing it with resources > that you said you'd use. But if you're going to do that, you have to know what > you are doing, and if you know what you are doing, it isn't really research." > --Dave Liddle, The New Yorker, Feb. 23/Mar.2, 1998, p 84 > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > -- /=======================================================================\ | Work: Matthew.Thyer@dsto.defence.gov.au | Home: thyerm@camtech.net.au | \=======================================================================/ "If it is true that our Universe has a zero net value for all conserved quantities, then it may simply be a fluctuation of the vacuum of some larger space in which our Universe is imbedded. In answer to the question of why it happened, I offer the modest proposal that our Universe is simply one of those things which happen from time to time." E. P. Tryon from "Nature" Vol.246 Dec.14, 1973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 4:47:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 264D714DCA for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:47:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 64499 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Mar 1999 12:48:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:48:32 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Subnotebook capable of running -current Message-ID: <19990330144832.A63763@paert.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I want to purchase some kind of 'subnotebook', that has to be as -current-compatible as possible. I anticipate the crowd whispering "Libretto, ... Libretto", but I have to say, that I don't like the Libretto very much for its crude screen resolution. Currently I'm tending towards the "Toshiba Portege 3010" or the "Fujitsu LifeBook B110 Biblo". Any experiences with these decices? I'm wondering about the CD-drives connected thru a PCMCIA-Card and FreeBSD-compatible PCMCIA-Network-Cards. Thanks, Andreas -- : TSE TeleService GmbH : Gsf: Arne Reuter : : : Hovestrasse 14 : Andreas Braukmann : We do it with : : D-48351 Everswinkel : HRB: 1430, AG WAF : FreeBSD/SMP : :--------------------------------------------------------------------: : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ : : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 5: 8:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924DE15038 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:08:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07224 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:06:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:06:45 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ctm Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Look what the egcs import's done to ctm: ctm_dequeue: cvs-cur.5193.gz 1/92 sent 92 pieces .... well, that knocks ctm out of action for a few days, so they won't be complaining about things not building for awhile. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 5:12:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C48815038 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:12:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10313; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:12:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA24494; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:12:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ctm In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:06:45 CDT." Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:12:06 +0200 Message-ID: <24492.922799526@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Chuck Robey writes: >Look what the egcs import's done to ctm: > >ctm_dequeue: cvs-cur.5193.gz 1/92 sent > >92 pieces .... well, that knocks ctm out of action for a few days, so >they won't be complaining about things not building for awhile. We've done better than that before. It think the record to date is 1/107... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 5:24:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A17D15011 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:24:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA60878 for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:24:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199903301324.PAA60878@freebsd.dk> Subject: UPDATE5: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. To: current@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:24:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fifth update to the new ATA/ATAPI driver: Fixed problems: Promise controllers always ended up in PIO mode. A real braino, fixed. Kernel with only ISA bus in it fails to compile. The dependency on NPCI was badly placed, fixed. As usual USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!, this is still pre alpha level code. Especially the DMA support can hose your disk real bad if anything goes wrong, again you have been warned :) Notebook owners should be carefull that their machines dont suspend as this might cause trouble... But please tell me how it works for you! Enjoy! -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 5:38:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from main.avias.com (avias-gw.corbina.net [195.14.40.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6CD14CF2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from camel@avias.com) Received: from camel.avias.com (camel.avias.com [195.14.38.87]) by main.avias.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA17157 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:37:56 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from camel@avias.com) From: Ilya Naumov Reply-To: camel@avias.com To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:28:06 +0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99033017375202.00385@camel.avias.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello i wonder what is the situation with AIC driver now? we're suffering without it :) -- sincerely, ilya naumov (at work) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 5:48:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E16914CF2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Ryqk-0002RI-00; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:46:38 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: camel@avias.com Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:28:06 +0400." <99033017375202.00385@camel.avias.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:46:38 +0200 Message-ID: <9379.922801598@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:28:06 +0400, Ilya Naumov wrote: > i wonder what is the situation with AIC driver now? we're suffering > without it :) All traces of it have been completely removed from CURRENT. You should follow your cvs mail. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 6: 5:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from titan.metropolitan.at (unknown [195.212.98.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8C915A21 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:05:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mladavac@metropolitan.at) Received: by TITAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:07:16 +0200 Message-ID: <97A8CA5BF490D211A94F0000F6C2E55D09757A@s-lmh-wi-900.corpnet.at> From: Ladavac Marino To: 'Sheldon Hearn' , camel@avias.com Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:01:48 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheldon Hearn [SMTP:sheldonh@iafrica.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 3:47 PM > To: camel@avias.com > Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: > > > > On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:28:06 +0400, Ilya Naumov wrote: > > > i wonder what is the situation with AIC driver now? we're suffering > > without it :) > > All traces of it have been completely removed from CURRENT. > [ML] Hey, not all is lost. You can still use your 1510 as an el-cheapo external SCSI case connector. What I did after my ancient 386SX-16 died was to throw away the motherboard and use the case as a 5-bay case (it was a midi-tower). The 1510 came in handy because it was cheaper than the ribbon-to-50-pin-D SCSI adapter. Of course I did not bother to power the card :) /Marino To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 6:34:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sirius.ctr.columbia.edu (sirius.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474A514C1E for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:34:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (wpaul@localhost) by sirius.ctr.columbia.edu (8.9.1/8.6.4.287) id JAA00854; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul) Message-Id: <199903301433.JAA00854@sirius.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: RealTek driver woes To: thyerm@camtech.com.au Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:33:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@freebsd.org, shocking@prth.pgs.com In-Reply-To: from "Matthew Thyer" at Mar 30, 99 09:53:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Matthew Thyer had to walk into mine and say: > There are certain RealTek chipsets that perform very badly in both Windows > and FreeBSD in my experience. This is due to poor hardware design as far > as the FreeBSD driver author could see. It happens though that I only have one RealTek 8139 board for testing, which worked fine in all the machines I tried it in. However, I do not have any AMD 486dx/100 machines, so I can't easily duplicate the operating environment in order to reproduce the problem. And if I can't reproduce the problem, I can't fix it. I don't think people realize this: telling me that the board locks up under condition foo doesn't do me any good unless I can reproduce the hang myself under condition foo. I've certainly never had the whole machine wedge up while using the RealTek driver. From experience, having the whole machine freeze usually indicates one of two things: the kernel is stuck in an infinite loop somewhere with interrupts disabled (like in an interrupt handler), or there's some sort of weird hardware interaction that's actually hanging the CPU or bus. There shouldn't be any loop conditions in the driver if the hardware functions correctly -- there might be if it functions incorrectly, like if it asserts its interrupt and the interrupt handler is unable to clear it. Usually you can detect this by putting in a loop counter and bailing out if it reaches a certain ridiculously large value. If the machine does wedge up, then don't just sit there like a bump on a log looking at it. If you have DDB compiled into the kernel, try to break into the debugger on the console. If the system is caught in a tight loop somewhere then you probably won't be able to do it, but if you can, you can type 'trace' and get some idea of where the loop is occurring by examining the stack trace. If the interface just stops communicating with the other side, check for an obvious reason. Look at netstat -in and check for input or output errors. Do an 'ifconfig rl0' and see if the OACTIVE flag is set. This usually indicates a stuck transmitter (although in this case you'll probably also see a watchdog timeout error on the console). Lastly, don't leave out important information about the operating environment and conditions at the time the problem occurs. People sometimes forget to mention important things because they think they're obvious. This is wrong: nothing is obvious when I can't actually see the machine. This includes simple things like: were you running some program that places the interface in promiscuous mode, or were you running X11, or is the machine configured as a router, or were you using NAT of firewalling. Once you start noting down these things for your problem report, take it upon yourself to investigate what happens when you eliminate these conditions. > Replace your network card with a $30 PCI 10/100 card that is not a RealTek > such as the VIA Technologies VT3043 `Rhine I' and VT86C100A `Rhine II' > chips and you'll get much better performance (FreeBSD 'vr' driver). But not much better. :) At 10Mbps they're okay, but the VIA Rhine is still a little brain damaged. > Search the cvs-all mailing list archives for mail re: the 'rl' driver. > > In my experience: > > A no-one could get files from a firend of mine's Windows 95 box but he > copy them to other peoples machines. > > If you did manage to get a small file it was corrupt. > > Under FreeBSD we had the same lockups you are having (using UTP). > If we used coax (BNC) it worked fine. This was all at 10 Mbps. > We didn't test Windows on coax. I tested my sample board at both 10Mbps and 100Mbps and never had any lockups. This is what's frustrating. Now, if I actually had access to the machines that were experiencing the trouble I might actually be able to debug the problem. > Now that we have put a Rhine based card in his machine both Windows and > FreeBSD are working fine at ~1 MB/s through put (at 10 Mbps) and NFS is > working fine. > > On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > > > I'm running a RealTek ethernet card in a 486dx4-100 machine and am having some > > problems. Firstly, doing an ls on a nfs mounted directory exported from the > > RealTek machine hangs. According to tcpdump it is receiving the readdir > > packets. Secondly, it will hange solidly when acting as the receiver (haven't > > tried it as the sender) running the netpipe tests (NPtcp -s -r receiving, the > > sender runs NP -t -h host_rl -s) - no DDB, just a solid hang. An ISA SMC card > > in the same machine is fine. I've tried it with RL_USEIOSPACE defined and > > undefined. This is running a very current system, with the id string > > > > $Id: if_rl.c,v 1.12 1999/02/23 15:38:25 wpaul Exp$ > > > > Here's the dmesg output. > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. > > Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > > FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #1: Thu Mar 25 21:37:03 WST 1999 > > toor@bloop.craftncomp.com:/data/src/sys/compile/bleep > > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > > CPU: AMD Enhanced Am486DX4 Write-Through (486-class CPU) > > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x484 Stepping=4 > > Features=0x1 > > real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) > > avail memory = 13750272 (13428K bytes) > > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02c3000. > > Preloaded elf module "linux.ko" at 0xc02c309c. > > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > > chip0: rev 0x00 on pci0.0.0 > > rl0: rev 0x10 int a irq 9 on pci0.4.0 > > rl0: Ethernet address: 00:00:e8:53:a2:3e > > rl0: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 10Mbps) I'm going to go _way_ out on a limb here and suggest that you try and coerce your system BIOS to assign the RealTek interface an IRQ other than 9. I say 'try' because sometimes you aren't given the option to configure this. Usually there's some configuration menu that lets you 'reserve IRQs for legacy/ISA devices.' You should put IRQ 9 on the reserved list so that the BIOS will pick another. Hopefully it will be an IRQ that isn't shared with another device. If there aren't any free ones left. you can try disabling one of the serial ports in order to free up an IRQ (e.g. turn off COM2). -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "Mulder, toads just fell from the sky!" "I guess their parachutes didn't open." ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 8:35: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7837914CFD for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21202; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:34:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@swimsuit.internet.dk) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:34:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Leif Neland X-Sender: leifn@arnold.neland.dk To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AIC In-Reply-To: <9379.922801598@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:28:06 +0400, Ilya Naumov wrote: > > > i wonder what is the situation with AIC driver now? we're suffering > > without it :) > > All traces of it have been completely removed from CURRENT. > > You should follow your cvs mail. :-) > Is it doomed forever? Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 8:52: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5B715B14 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:52:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA30736; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:51:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:51:06 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Soren Schmidt Cc: Kenneth Wayne Culver , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the ATA driver In-Reply-To: <199903300933.LAA60345@freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Remember that we have lost significant I/O bandwidth currently due > to changes in vfs_bio and freinds. > ?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 9:12:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3302215C47 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:12:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (async2-00.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.128]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01336; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:12:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA12686; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:09:11 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <37010558.D7364F52@altavista.net> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:09:44 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Reply-To: sobomax@altavista.net Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Soren Schmidt Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. References: <199903301143.NAA60602@freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Soren, Following is answers on your (and other folks) questions concerning hang mentioned above. 1. Yes I have powersaving enabled, but as long as disk being accessed it should not to go sleep. 2. Don't mind why I need to zeroing my disk - leave it as it is. 3. Swapping on this partition was disabled (really it is not swap space it just empty partition). 4. Reading out of this partition working perfectly (dd if=/dev/... of=/dev/null bs=1024k). 5. Hang doesn't depend on partition type - I observed it on 165 (FreeBSD) and on 6 (FAT) partitions. 6. As long I can approximate - system hangs somewhere at the end of partition (I used reading time to approximate it). Sincerely, Maxim Sobolev Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Soren Schmidt wrote: > > It seems Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > > > >New ata driver (cvsup'ed several minutes ago) locks my box solid (only > > >reset but ton can help). Bug is fully reproducible on my machine (Toshiba Satellite Pro 445). > > >I using the following command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0s2 bs=1024k. It > > >works several minutes then IDE led turns off and box freezes. Interesting that > > >when I looking at systat -vm measures, performance constantly degrades from > > >3.3MB/s to 2.5MB/s. > > >Bug exist either in single-user and in multi-user mode. Following is relevant dmesg pieces from my dmesg output: > > > > Hmm, are you sure you want to WRITE all those zeros to your disk ?? > > However it should not hang before the end of disk is reached that is. > > Have you tried reading all of the disk instead, does that hang ?? > > The degradation is probably becuse the transferrate of the disk slows > > down as you get closer to the center of the disk. > > Have you anu idea on how much data is transferred ?? how long is it > > running ?? > > OH, I forgot to ask if you have any powersaving stuff enabled too, > as the new driver dont know about that yet, if the disk goes to sleep > under its feet it will die, but given access to the disk thats probably > not likely... > > -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 9:17:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BA514F46 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:16:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA60569; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:16:32 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22023; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:16:31 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199903301716.TAA22023@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ctm In-Reply-To: Your message of " Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:06:45 EST." References: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:16:30 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chuck Robey wrote: > Look what the egcs import's done to ctm: > > ctm_dequeue: cvs-cur.5193.gz 1/92 sent > > 92 pieces .... well, that knocks ctm out of action for a few days, so > they won't be complaining about things not building for awhile. Not really :-). It's already been built. The only problem now is mailing all that shit out... M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 9:51:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E7314CE4 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:51:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA49129; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:51:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990330095115.A49115@nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:51:15 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mark Murray , Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ctm Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199903301716.TAA22023@greenpeace.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199903301716.TAA22023@greenpeace.grondar.za>; from Mark Murray on Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 07:16:30PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Look what the egcs import's done to ctm: ..snip.. > Not really :-). It's already been built. The only problem now is mailing > all that shit out... Don't forget to trim out the entire copy of textinfo... now that *is* shit. ;-) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 12:31:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A678914D54 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:31:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12136; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.63]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19447; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:30:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199903301129.NAA60572@freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:30:52 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Soren Schmidt , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. Cc: sobomax@altavista.net Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30-Mar-99 Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Maxim Sobolev wrote: >> >>New ata driver (cvsup'ed several minutes ago) locks my box solid (only >>reset but ton can help). Bug is fully reproducible on my machine (Toshiba >>Satellite Pro 445). >>I using the following command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ad0s2 bs=1024k. It >>works several minutes then IDE led turns off and box freezes. Interesting >>that >>when I looking at systat -vm measures, performance constantly degrades from >>3.3MB/s to 2.5MB/s. >>Bug exist either in single-user and in multi-user mode. Following is relevant >>dmesg pieces from my dmesg output: > > Hmm, are you sure you want to WRITE all those zeros to your disk ?? > However it should not hang before the end of disk is reached that is. > Have you tried reading all of the disk instead, does that hang ?? > The degradation is probably becuse the transferrate of the disk slows > down as you get closer to the center of the disk. > Have you anu idea on how much data is transferred ?? how long is it > running ?? > > > -Søren > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message I had similar problems in -stable with the old ATA drivers. I was having weird swap errors, so I booted w/o swap and dd'd my swap partitions to check for read or write errors. I could do a dd if=/dev/wd0s3b of=/dev/null fine. But, when I tried a write from /dev/zero (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/wd0s3b) it locked up. If I specified the number of blocks to write, including enough blocks for the entire slice, the dd finished without a problem. If I let it figure out how much to write it locked the machine and I had to reset. However, that is with the old drivers on -stable, so I don't think it is your new stuff, Søren. ... Ok, I just checked on a -stable system built from sources dated March 28 and here is what I found: I can read and write from the raw devices (e.g. /dev/rwd0s3b) perfectly fine. I can read from the block devices (e.g. /dev/wd0s3b) fine. If I write to them with a specific count of blocks it works. The only problems are from writing without blockcounts. Here's the output (approx.) > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/rwd0s3b bs=64k warning /dev/rwd0s3b: data overflows device (or something similar) 1216+0 records in 1216+0 recorsd out 76xxxxxxxxxx bytes blah blah blah.. > dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/wd0s3b bs=64k Disk activity for a while (i think it actually goes long enough to finish the write), and then the machine locks up. --- John Baldwin -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 12:36:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (gnu.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961D914D21 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dva.in-berlin.de!balu@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: from hirsch.in-berlin.de (root@hirsch.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.6]) by mail.vr.IN-Berlin.DE (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA03853 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:35:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dva.in-berlin.de!balu@hirsch.in-berlin.de) Received: by hirsch.in-berlin.de (Smail3.2) id ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:35:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from balu@localhost) by dva.in-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA05420 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:31:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from balu) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:31:32 +0200 From: Boris Staeblow To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: mount of write protected fd's Message-ID: <19990330223132.A4808@dva.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mount should detect that a fd is write-protected and mount it "ro" although no "mount -r" is given... Isn't it possible to detect the w/p status from the fd-controller? Only a suggestion... Boris -- balu@dva.in-berlin.de Boris Staeblow To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 13:31:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from kronos.alcnet.com (kronos.alcnet.com [207.244.223.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4CD14CC5 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbyanc@alcnet.com) X-Provider: ALC Communications, Inc. http://www.alcnet.com/ Received: from localhost (kbyanc@localhost) by kronos.alcnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/antispam) with ESMTP id QAA12229 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:36:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kelly Yancey To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: support for larger memory Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Time and time again we have all seen people get bit in the rear because BSDI compatibility was broken. Broken for a good cause, mind you, because FreeBSD seemed to lose a little of that "power to serve" when it died horribly on newer servers :) So, the good news is, we can now support large memory configurations (and I recall that 4G might not be that far off). The bad news is, the fairly decent number of programs which are available for BSDI but not FreeBSD won't run on FreeBSD now. Anyway, we all know that. But what I would like to know is: how does BSDI support large memory configurations? I'm confused on how it is that the $1000+ commercial BSD derivative can't handle running on newer servers (although it is pleasing to think a $0 BSD derivative can :) ) Surely, this cannot be the case, though. So, I'm curious, why is it that we needed to break BSDI compatibility in order to support large memory configurations. It would seem that the two shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Thanks, Kelly ~kbyanc@posi.net~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 13:39:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F19514C25 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id QAA47485; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:38:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199903302138.QAA47485@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: mount of write protected fd's In-Reply-To: <19990330223132.A4808@dva.in-berlin.de> from Boris Staeblow at "Mar 30, 1999 10:31:32 pm" To: balu@dva.in-berlin.de (Boris Staeblow) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:38:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@freebsd.org Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL52 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Boris Staeblow once wrote: > mount should detect that a fd is write-protected and mount it "ro" > although no "mount -r" is given... Isn't it possible to detect the w/p > status from the fd-controller? Actually, the existing behavior is rather horrible. If you forget to specify ro for a read-only floppy, mount will succeed, but the kernel will keep complaining. It will also NOT let you umount the damn thing (even with -f), until you take the floppy out and write-enable it. Which, sometimes, requires use of duct tape... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 13:48:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ozz.etrust.ru (ozz.etrust.ru [195.2.84.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAB714C25 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:48:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from osa@etrust.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ozz.etrust.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F34D2C for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:48:12 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:48:12 +0400 (MSD) From: oZZ!!! To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk..... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I cvsup my system at 30.03.1999 23.55 MSK, then make world, but can't understand following problem: when i try to build application from port i c following: ===> windowmaker-0.51.2 : Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk. You need a fresh make world or an upgrade kit. Please go to http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the instructions. I think my system is too YOUNG, not TOO OLD: 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Mar 30 02:52:13 MSD 1999 What does it mean? Rgdz, Sergey A. Osokin aka oZZ, osa@etrust.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 14: 5:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDA315AA6 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:05:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA14643; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:52:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <37014781.4487EB71@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:52:01 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kelly Yancey Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for larger memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kelly Yancey wrote: > > Time and time again we have all seen people get bit in the rear because > BSDI compatibility was broken. Broken for a good cause, mind you, because > FreeBSD seemed to lose a little of that "power to serve" when it died > horribly on newer servers :) > So, the good news is, we can now support large memory configurations > (and I recall that 4G might not be that far off). The bad news is, the > fairly decent number of programs which are available for BSDI but not > FreeBSD won't run on FreeBSD now. > > Anyway, we all know that. But what I would like to know is: how does > BSDI support large memory configurations? I'm confused on how it is that > the $1000+ commercial BSD derivative can't handle running on newer > servers (although it is pleasing to think a $0 BSD derivative can :) ) > Surely, this cannot be the case, though. > > So, I'm curious, why is it that we needed to break BSDI compatibility in > order to support large memory configurations. It would seem that the two > shouldn't be mutually exclusive. > > Thanks, > > Kelly > ~kbyanc@posi.net~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message The problem is that in the default configuration the two address spaces, (kernel and user) are arranged to use non-intersecting address spaces. This allows the kernel to directly read from the user's space, and also means that the address space need not be changed when the process goes to kernel mode, saving valuable TLB flushes etc. Unfortunatly as memory has grown, the kernels 'sparse' method of allocating addresses within it's space has required more and more space to keep track of potentially larger and larger structures. Eventually the space needed grew more that that 'left over' above the user space. This required shrinking the 'address space' seen by the application program which is, unfortunatly, not completely transparent to the user application binary. One answer would be to allow the kernel space and user space to overlap. THis is what the original Unix systems did, making use of the PDP11-60's ability to hold separate address spacess for the executinve and application programs. The use of copyin() and copyout(), rather than direct copies, is both a throwback to this time, and at the same time "insurance" that BSD will be able to run pretty much without modification on architectures where such separation is mandated, or, should the situation arise, we decide to split the tow spaces, even on architectures where it is presently not done (e.g. PC). In the specific case of BSDI compatibility, I believe that there is a patch available that allows BSDI binaries to run in the smaller addres space. (I vaguely remember it involving the initial value of a register at exec time). This suggests that the BSDI runtime libraries were written with an eye to the future where they may themselves need to do a similar thing. Knowing the people involved, I'd say that this is not unlikely. julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 14:13: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from midgard.dhs.org (dhcp9557108.columbus.rr.com [24.95.57.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0F615423 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:13:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from caa@midgard.dhs.org) Received: (from caa@localhost) by midgard.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA39388; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from caa) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:30 -0500 From: Charles Anderson To: oZZ!!! Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk..... Message-ID: <19990330171230.A39371@midgard.dhs.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from oZZ!!! on Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 01:48:12AM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 01:48:12AM +0400, oZZ!!! wrote: > > Hello! > I cvsup my system at 30.03.1999 23.55 MSK, then make world, but > can't understand following problem: when i try to build application from > port i c following: > ===> windowmaker-0.51.2 : Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk. > You need a fresh make world or an upgrade kit. Please go to > http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the > instructions. > I think my system is too YOUNG, not TOO OLD: > 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Mar 30 02:52:13 MSD 1999 > > What does it mean? > > Rgdz, > Sergey A. Osokin aka oZZ, > osa@etrust.ru I don't know what changed it but date +%Y%m%d > /var/db/pkg/.mkversion fixed it. -Charlie -- Charles Anderson caa@wavefront.com No quote, no nothin' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 14:15:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113D914BF8 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13245; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:12:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903302212.OAA13245@implode.root.com> To: Kelly Yancey Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for larger memory In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:36:35 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:12:32 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Time and time again we have all seen people get bit in the rear because >BSDI compatibility was broken. Broken for a good cause, mind you, because >FreeBSD seemed to lose a little of that "power to serve" when it died >horribly on newer servers :) > So, the good news is, we can now support large memory configurations >(and I recall that 4G might not be that far off). The bad news is, the >fairly decent number of programs which are available for BSDI but not >FreeBSD won't run on FreeBSD now. > > Anyway, we all know that. But what I would like to know is: how does >BSDI support large memory configurations? I'm confused on how it is that >the $1000+ commercial BSD derivative can't handle running on newer >servers (although it is pleasing to think a $0 BSD derivative can :) ) >Surely, this cannot be the case, though. > > So, I'm curious, why is it that we needed to break BSDI compatibility in >order to support large memory configurations. It would seem that the two >shouldn't be mutually exclusive. BSD/OS compatibility for v2.0 static binaries can be had again with a few modifications. Someone with access to BSD/OS v2.0 binaries, time, and appropriate knowledge, just needs to make them. The brokeness actually comes from a design screwup that BSDI made in the v2.0 crt0 which they apparantly later fixed in v3.0. We should be able to run v3 and later static binaries. We've never had support for any version of their shared binaries. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 14:22:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.t.dk (freesbee.t.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FA8715584 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:22:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ncbp@freesbee.t.dk) Received: (qmail 29971 invoked by uid 1002); 30 Mar 1999 22:21:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:21:49 +0200 From: "Niels Chr. Bank-Pedersen" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk..... Message-ID: <19990331002149.A29506@bank-pedersen.dk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from oZZ!!! on Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 01:48:12AM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 01:48:12AM +0400, oZZ!!! wrote: > > Hello! > I cvsup my system at 30.03.1999 23.55 MSK, then make world, but > can't understand following problem: when i try to build application from > port i c following: > ===> windowmaker-0.51.2 : Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk. > You need a fresh make world or an upgrade kit. Please go to > http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the > instructions. > I think my system is too YOUNG, not TOO OLD: > 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Mar 30 02:52:13 MSD 1999 > > What does it mean? It means what it says :) - your "make world" didn't update /usr/share/mk so parts of your system is to old. You'll have to "cd /usr/src/share/mk && make install" to update the make "include" files. It might be a good idea to bring the rest of the system up to date by use of http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html I don't know if "make world" _should_ update /usr/share/mk, but apparantly it doesn't for the time beeing... > Sergey A. Osokin aka oZZ, > osa@etrust.ru /Niels Chr. -- Niels Christian Bank-Pedersen, NCB1-RIPE. Network Manager, Tele Danmark NET, IP-section. "Hey, are any of you guys out there actually *using* RFC 1149?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 14:22:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lambic.physics.montana.edu (lambic.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E2915C43 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (handy@localhost) by lambic.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA04585; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:21:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:21:58 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Handy To: Kelly Yancey Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for larger memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-files: The truth is out there MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So, I'm curious, why is it that we needed to break BSDI compatibility in >order to support large memory configurations. It would seem that the two >shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Or, perhaps, we broke BSDI compatibility for a lot of people (?) at the expense of those few people who are running > 1GB... Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 14:50:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DAB14C43 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schuerge@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id AAA16079 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:49:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id AAA09804 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:49:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from schuerge@localhost) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) id AAA10220 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:49:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Schuerger Message-Id: <199903302249.AAA10220@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Subject: nfs problems To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:49:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I'm experiencing serious NFS problems, when a remote NFS directory (also on FreeBSD) mounted on my machine goes down for whatever reason (e.g. normal shutdown). From then on, any processes accessing the mounted NFS directory (e.g. executing ls or even df) will die and stay non-removable (kill -9 shows no effect on them!) in the system. If the remote server goes up again, then sometimes these processes work again. I wonder if this is a general problem of NFS or just a problem with FreeBSD (haven't checked it with non-current machines). Any ideas/fixes? Ciao, Thomas. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 14:55:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lambic.physics.montana.edu (lambic.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B52151D4 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (handy@localhost) by lambic.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA04715 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from handy@lambic.physics.montana.edu) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:50:22 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Handy To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for larger memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-files: The truth is out there MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Brian Handy wrote: > [Grumbling about BSDI compatibility] I take all that back. Well, all except the part about grumbling about my own network here, I'm just feeling grumpy and took it out on random passerby. :-) Happy trails, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 15:13: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357F114C2D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28065; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:21:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:21:43 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Thomas Schuerger Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nfs problems In-Reply-To: <199903302249.AAA10220@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Thomas Schuerger wrote: > Hi! > > I'm experiencing serious NFS problems, when > a remote NFS directory (also on FreeBSD) mounted on my > machine goes down for whatever reason (e.g. normal > shutdown). From then on, any processes accessing the mounted > NFS directory (e.g. executing ls or even df) will die and stay > non-removable (kill -9 shows no effect on them!) in the system. > If the remote server goes up again, then sometimes these > processes work again. > > I wonder if this is a general problem of NFS or just a > problem with FreeBSD (haven't checked it with non-current > machines). Any ideas/fixes? This is freebsd following the NFS spec, please read the mount_nfs man page for the workaround (hint: intr). Check out the ORA book on NFS and NIS, it's quite good. -Alfred > > > Ciao, > Thomas. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Alfred Perlstein - Admin, coder, and admirer of all things BSD. -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 4.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 15:20: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684A714FF8 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:19:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA43671; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:19:38 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199903302319.PAA43671@apollo.backplane.com> To: Brian Handy Cc: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for larger memory References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> So, I'm curious, why is it that we needed to break BSDI compatibility in :>order to support large memory configurations. It would seem that the two :>shouldn't be mutually exclusive. : :Or, perhaps, we broke BSDI compatibility for a lot of people (?) at the :expense of those few people who are running > 1GB... : : : :Brian Has anyone tried implementing the %ebx solution yet? -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 16:19:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stephens.ml.org (cm2081634025.ponderosa.ispchannel.com [208.163.40.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF3E514DFB for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:19:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tas@stephens.ml.org) Received: from stephens.ml.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stephens.ml.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA36066; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:19:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from tas@stephens.ml.org) Message-Id: <199903310019.BAA36066@stephens.ml.org> To: dg@root.com Cc: Kelly Yancey , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, Thomas Stephens From: Thomas Stephens Subject: Re: support for larger memory In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:12:32 PST." <199903302212.OAA13245@implode.root.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:19:05 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman wrote: > BSD/OS compatibility for v2.0 static binaries can be had again with a >few modifications. Someone with access to BSD/OS v2.0 binaries, time, and >appropriate knowledge, just needs to make them. > The brokeness actually comes from a design screwup that BSDI made in >the v2.0 crt0 which they apparantly later fixed in v3.0. We should be able >to run v3 and later static binaries. We've never had support for any >version of their shared binaries. Speaking of which, are there any plans to support BSD/OS 4.0 ELF binaries, either static or shared? I expect most binaries for BSD/OS will eventually be distributed in ELF format, but the likelihood that they'll use dynamic linking complicates things. I'd be willing to make an effort to contribute, but haven't got access to BSD/OS 4.0 (don't know if I've got the requisite knowledge either). None of the BSD/OS binaries I use have been converted to ELF yet, but I'll certainly miss them if they are (though, if they use shared libraries, it may not matter anyway). Thomas Stephens tas@stephens.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 17:13:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96AF14BF9 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA03858; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA18549; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903310112.RAA18549@vashon.polstra.com> To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com Subject: Re: support for larger memory In-Reply-To: <199903302319.PAA43671@apollo.backplane.com> References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199903302319.PAA43671@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > Has anyone tried implementing the %ebx solution yet? Not as far as I know. I was hoping that somebody who cared about BSD/OS compatibility would pick up the description of the fix, test it, and submit diffs. No takers, so far. :-( John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 17:32:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F01415346 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.3/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA17165 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 03:32:11 +0200 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 03:32:11 +0200 (CEST) From: N X-Sender: niels@liquid.tpb.net To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk..... In-Reply-To: <19990330171230.A39371@midgard.dhs.org> Message-ID: <9903310330000.17103-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> You need a fresh make world or an upgrade kit. Please go to >> http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the >> instructions. > I don't know what changed it but > date +%Y%m%d > /var/db/pkg/.mkversion > fixed it. It broke `make release' as well; suddenly /var/db/pkg/ wasn't created anymore. This cost me two days' worth of CPU cycles on a machine that was (supposedly) running -STABLE. -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 18:47:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2870914DC8; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:47:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu ([207.92.173.144]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16491; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:47:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id SAA46577; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:47:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:47:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903310247.SAA46577@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: current@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion From: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Some of you may have stumbled upon bsd.port.mk complaining about the lack of said file even after a make world. This was caused by my mistake of forgetting to update src/share/mk at the same time I committed the check to bsd.port.mk. I have since corrected it so if you cvsup again and make world again (actually just "make install" in src/share/mk), all will be well. As a workaround, "echo 19990328 > /var/db/pkg/.mkversion" will work equally fine. Sorry for the trouble, -W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 19:13: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31BFD15503 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:13:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: from waltz.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA10821 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:12:30 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Received: by waltz.rahul.net (5.67b8/jive-a2i-1.0) id AA09775; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:11:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:11:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199903310311.AA09775@waltz.rahul.net> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nfs problems References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred Perlstein writes: >This is freebsd following the NFS spec, please read the mount_nfs >man page for the workaround (hint: intr). In my experience the 'intr' filesystem mount option does not always work. As an example, I am often unable to abort from a hung 'df' when a remote NFS server is down. (Even if my current directory is not NFS-mounted.) This might be a problem specific to 'df', though. Ideally 'df' should check to make sure a remote NFS server is responding (via the NFS null procedure) before trying to get any filesystem info for that filesystem. -- Rahul Dhesi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 20:33:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7D9155A6 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:33:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost.StevesCafe.com [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26242; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:51:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903310451.VAA26242@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 From: Steve Passe To: Andreas Braukmann Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subnotebook capable of running -current In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:48:32 +0200." <19990330144832.A63763@paert.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:51:23 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > I want to purchase some kind of 'subnotebook', that has to > be as -current-compatible as possible. > > I anticipate the crowd whispering "Libretto, ... Libretto", but > I have to say, that I don't like the Libretto very much for its > crude screen resolution. > > Currently I'm tending towards the "Toshiba Portege 3010" > or the "Fujitsu LifeBook B110 Biblo". > > Any experiences with these decices? > > I'm wondering about the CD-drives connected thru a PCMCIA-Card > and FreeBSD-compatible PCMCIA-Network-Cards. I just got my toshiba portege 7020CT yesterday (it took 35 days and 3 reschedules to actually reach my front door!). Loaded 4.0-0306-SNAP and XF86-3.3.3.1 without problems (well, sorta, had to run sysinstall-XF86 config program a half dozen times b4 it worked properly...) This is the big brother to the 3010, 13.1" 1024x768 TFT display, neomagic 2200 chipset. The really nice part is that the main unit has neither floppy or CDROM, making it reasonably small for a 13" display. It comes with an external floppy and port replicator, but I opted for the optional loading dock which comes with floppy, DVDROM, and fxp0 (intel) 10/100 ethernet. So I was able to to do an NFS (ie ethernet) install with the dock network, not needing to deal with pc cards. To load packages I inserted my 3.1R CD into the DVD drive and ran /stand/sysinstall, worked great. I used defrag and fips b4 installing FreeBSD, seems to have worked OK also. I will continue to use m$$ucks for hardware setup till I get a handle on APM and friends. Now I just need some free time to help with the card-bus stuff! -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 21:17: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C549154FA for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA19979 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb01f39.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA29535; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:16:37 -0500 Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bb01f39.unx.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA82863 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:16:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jwd) From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199903310516.AAA82863@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Subject: make release failure(/var/db/pkg/.mkversion) To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:16:37 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Sources current as of 9:30pm EST... ===> share/misc install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 ascii birthtoken bsd-family-tree eqnchar flowers init.ee inter.phone iso3166 iso639 man.template mdoc.template operator scsi_modes /usr/share/misc ===> share/mk install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 bsd.README bsd.dep.mk bsd.doc.mk bsd.docb.mk bsd.info.mk bsd.kern.mk bsd.kmod.mk bsd.lib.mk bsd.libnames.mk bsd.man.mk bsd.obj.mk bsd.own.mk bsd.port.mk bsd.port.post.mk bsd.port.pre.mk bsd.port.subdir.mk bsd.prog.mk bsd.sgml.mk bsd.subdir.mk sys.mk /usr/share/mk date '+%Y%m%d' > /var/db/pkg/.mkversion cannot create /var/db/pkg/.mkversion: directory nonexistent *** Error code 2 Stop. *** Error code 1 /var/db/pkg doesn't exist in the make release area... I don't know if it should or not... Thanks for any insight... -John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 23: 2:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4371314C2D; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:02:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA40747; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:01:56 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from jhay) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199903310701.JAA40747@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-Reply-To: <199903310247.SAA46577@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> from Satoshi Asami at "Mar 30, 1999 6:47: 6 pm" To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:01:56 +0200 (SAT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Some of you may have stumbled upon bsd.port.mk complaining about the > lack of said file even after a make world. This was caused by my > mistake of forgetting to update src/share/mk at the same time I > committed the check to bsd.port.mk. > > I have since corrected it so if you cvsup again and make world again > (actually just "make install" in src/share/mk), all will be well. As > a workaround, "echo 19990328 > /var/db/pkg/.mkversion" will work > equally fine. Now that "make world" do something in /var/db/pkg, shouldn't /var/db/pkg be added to the mtree list for 3.1-STABLE and current? Otherwise a make release will break and also a make world if you haven't installed any packages yet. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 23: 3:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3852715510 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00353; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:03:18 +1000 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:03:18 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199903310703.RAA00353@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, jobaldwi@vt.edu, sos@freebsd.dk Subject: Re: UPDATE4: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. Cc: sobomax@altavista.net Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I had similar problems in -stable with the old ATA drivers. I was having weird >swap errors, so I booted w/o swap and dd'd my swap partitions to check for read >or write errors. I could do a dd if=/dev/wd0s3b of=/dev/null fine. But, when >I tried a write from /dev/zero (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/wd0s3b) it locked up. Writing beyond EOF to a buffered disk device hangs both 3.x and -current. The failing writes are retried forever. >> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/wd0s3b bs=64k > >Disk activity for a while (i think it actually goes long enough to finish the >write), and then the machine locks up. The easiest fix is: don't do that. Unbuffered disk devices are slower than buffered ones. Buffered disk devices are only useful for: - mounting on - finding bugs in the buffer cache. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 23: 4:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45A1815510 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 20495 invoked by uid 1001); 31 Mar 1999 07:04:30 +0000 (GMT) To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za Cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:01:56 +0200 (SAT)" References: <199903310701.JAA40747@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:04:30 +0200 Message-ID: <20493.922863870@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I have since corrected it so if you cvsup again and make world again > > (actually just "make install" in src/share/mk), all will be well. As > > a workaround, "echo 19990328 > /var/db/pkg/.mkversion" will work > > equally fine. > > Now that "make world" do something in /var/db/pkg, shouldn't /var/db/pkg > be added to the mtree list for 3.1-STABLE and current? Otherwise a > make release will break and also a make world if you haven't installed > any packages yet. I definitely think so. I had to create /var/db/pkg by hand on a machine I upgraded to 3.1-STABLE yesterday. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Mar 30 23: 9:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D62F153A3; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:09:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu ([207.92.173.144]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16730; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id XAA47424; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:08:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:08:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903310708.XAA47424@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199903310701.JAA40747@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> (message from John Hay on Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:01:56 +0200 (SAT)) Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami) References: <199903310701.JAA40747@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: John Hay * Now that "make world" do something in /var/db/pkg, shouldn't /var/db/pkg * be added to the mtree list for 3.1-STABLE and current? Otherwise a * make release will break and also a make world if you haven't installed * any packages yet. Oh, so *that* was what was breaking release! I didn't know that it's not in BSD.var.dist and thought there was some other reason that it was breaking release. Thanks, fixed. -W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 0: 1:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E55150E0 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:01:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (async2-07.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.135]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03978; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:01:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA14263; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:59:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <3701D617.F7F6253B@altavista.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:00:24 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Reply-To: sobomax@altavista.net Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Soren Schmidt Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPDATE5: ATA/ATAPI driver new version available. References: <199903301324.PAA60878@freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Soren, Following is small patch for your great ata driver which intended to disable annoying "unwanted interrupt" console message on notebooks (personally I have it every 1 minute of absent disk activity ;)  ) Sincerely, Maxim Sobolev *** ata-all.c.orig      Wed Mar 31 10:28:05 1999 --- ata-all.c   Wed Mar 31 10:29:39 1999 *************** *** 456,462 **** --- 456,464 ----       default:       case ATA_IDLE:         if (intcount++ < 10) +       #ifndef SURPRESS_UNWANTED             printf("ata%d: unwanted interrupt %d\n", unit, intcount); +       #endif           inb(scp->ioaddr + ATA_STATUS);         return;       }   To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 0: 1:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D89154B7 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (async2-07.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.135]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03981 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:01:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA14212 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:48:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <3701D373.F8D8045@altavista.net> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:49:08 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Reply-To: sobomax@altavista.net Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Sysinstall is not friendly to foreign boot managers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, It seems that sysinstall silently marking FreeBSD partition as active even if I have other partition active (WinNT in my case) and have working NT boot manager to boot FreeBSD. This behaviour observed not only in Fdisk editor but in Label Editor as well. Sincerely, Maxim Sobolev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 0: 7:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 616DF150E0 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10SG0N-0003G7-00; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:05:43 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AIC In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:34:08 +0200." Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:05:43 +0200 Message-ID: <12530.922867543@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:34:08 +0200, Leif Neland wrote: > Is it doomed forever? Grrr, I think the whole reason it was removed was to avoid questions like this. ;-) The removed aic driver is not under active development, and there are no plans to revive it in the foreseeable future. See? :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 0:53:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D2915BFD; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 00:53:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:53:13 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk ([10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id GZL8KFK4; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:46:35 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10SGnA-0005bh-00; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:56:08 +0100 To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Cc: current@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion X-Mailer: nmh-1.0 X-Colour: Green Organization: Palmer & Harvey McLane In-Reply-To: Satoshi Asami's message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:47:06 -0800" <199903310247.SAA46577@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:56:07 +0100 From: Dom Mitchell Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30 March 1999, Satoshi Asami proclaimed: > Some of you may have stumbled upon bsd.port.mk complaining about the > lack of said file even after a make world. This was caused by my > mistake of forgetting to update src/share/mk at the same time I > committed the check to bsd.port.mk. > > I have since corrected it so if you cvsup again and make world again > (actually just "make install" in src/share/mk), all will be well. As > a workaround, "echo 19990328 > /var/db/pkg/.mkversion" will work > equally fine. Just a side note; this new file breaks pkg_info. I've appended a simple patch below; somebody ought to do something better for the version in the src tree. Whilst I'm here, a tip. If you use the zsh, here's command completion for the some of the pkg commands: compctl -g '/var/db/pkg/*(/:t)' pkg_delete pkg_info -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Value of 2 may go down as well as up" -- FORTRAN programmers manual diff -urP /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/info/perform.c pkg_install/info/perform.c --- /usr/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/info/perform.c Mon Jan 4 06:15:40 1999 +++ pkg_install/info/perform.c Wed Mar 31 09:43:41 1999 @@ -135,8 +135,10 @@ return 1; } if (chdir(log_dir) == FAIL) { - warnx("can't change directory to '%s'!", log_dir); - return 1; + if (strcmp(log_dir, "/var/db/pkg/.mkversion") != 0) { + warnx("can't change directory to '%s'!", log_dir); + return 1; + } } installed = TRUE; } -- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 1: 8:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8545B14C49; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:08:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca3-65.ix.netcom.com [209.109.233.65]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16928; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id BAA48078; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:07:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:07:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903310907.BAA48078@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk Cc: current@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Dom Mitchell on Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:56:07 +0100) Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Dom Mitchell * Just a side note; this new file breaks pkg_info. I've appended a simple * patch below; somebody ought to do something better for the version in * the src tree. Eek. I didn't know it tries to open all files without checking whether it's a directory or not.... * if (chdir(log_dir) == FAIL) { * - warnx("can't change directory to '%s'!", log_dir); * - return 1; * + if (strcmp(log_dir, "/var/db/pkg/.mkversion") != 0) { * + warnx("can't change directory to '%s'!", log_dir); * + return 1; * + } This doesn't look right. I found where it's skipping "." and "..", either we add ".mkversion" there, skip all entries that start with an ".", or check whether a given entry is a directory. I implemented the second option, I think I can ensure that there will be no packages that start with a ".". Jordan, is this ok? === Index: perform.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/info/perform.c,v retrieving revision 1.26 diff -u -r1.26 perform.c --- perform.c 1998/12/16 13:59:31 1.26 +++ perform.c 1999/03/31 09:04:50 @@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ dirp = opendir(tmp); if (dirp) { for (dp = readdir(dirp); dp != NULL; dp = readdir(dirp)) - if (strcmp(dp->d_name, ".") && strcmp(dp->d_name, "..")) + if (dp->d_name[0] != '.') err_cnt += pkg_do(dp->d_name); (void)closedir(dirp); } === -W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 5: 5:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.nwnexus.com (smtp10.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF2515C64; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:05:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrsomsky@halcyon.com) Received: from gramarye (evt-lx100-ip24.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.24]) by smtp10.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29828; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wrsomsky@localhost) by gramarye (8.9.2/8.8.8) id FAA72625; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:01:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrsomsky) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 05:01:14 -0800 From: "William R. Somsky" To: Dom Mitchell Cc: Satoshi Asami , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion Message-ID: <19990331050114.B72493@gramarye.halcyon.com> References: <199903310247.SAA46577@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Dom Mitchell on Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 09:56:07AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 09:56:07AM +0100, Dom Mitchell wrote: > On 30 March 1999, Satoshi Asami proclaimed: > > Just a side note; this new file breaks pkg_info. I've appended a simple > patch below; somebody ought to do something better for the version in > the src tree. > Yep, this definitely suggests that /var/db/pkg isn't the appropriate place for the "make version" file. I think /usr/share/mk would be better. After all, that's where the make files that it's saying what the date of are anyway. And potentially, things other than ports might want to refer to it as well. -- ________________________________________________________________________ William R. Somsky wrsomsky@halcyon.com Physicist, Baritone, Guitarist http://www.halcyon.com/wrsomsky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 10:36: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C9A14CD5 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@rover.village.org) Received: (from imp@localhost) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00284; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:35:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:35:13 -0700 (MST) From: Warner Losh Message-Id: <199903311835.LAA00284@rover.village.org> To: leifn@neland.dk, sheldonh@iafrica.com Subject: Re: AIC Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <12530.922867543@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The aic driver will likely oneday be ported. However, no one has come forward to do it. It is a highly desirable driver to have (even if writing it would be a pain) because the only pccard scsi cards that are out there are aic-6[23]60 based. However, the sad fact is that the development is less than active on this driver. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 10:53:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF191552B for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:53:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA22652 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:51:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199903311851.KAA22652@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: egcs knob and objective C To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a simple knob to turn to get the egcs compiler by default? I'm willing to help test egcs for the transition from gcc+2.7.x. I've looked through the Makefiles and the /usr/src/gnu directory, but I can't seem to locate a knob to turn for the egcs compiler (unless I need to mangle the .PATH variable). And, at the risk of being flamed, I noticed (after all these years) that we build some for Objective C stuff. Is this actually required within the base distribution? -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 12:19:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (10.0.29.209.212.in-addr.arpa [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0EA15C8B for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6C36F18C6; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691AE4999; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:19:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:19:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Steve Kargl Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: egcs knob and objective C In-Reply-To: <199903311851.KAA22652@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Steve Kargl wrote: > Is there a simple knob to turn to get the egcs compiler by > default? I'm willing to help test egcs for the transition > from gcc+2.7.x. > > I've looked through the Makefiles and the /usr/src/gnu directory, > but I can't seem to locate a knob to turn for the egcs compiler > (unless I need to mangle the .PATH variable). > > And, at the risk of being flamed, I noticed (after all these years) > that we build some for Objective C stuff. Is this actually required > within the base distribution? Also, I seem to recall that we already have another copy of libiberty (under gdb). Do we really need to have both of them? Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 12:29: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jumping-spider.aracnet.com (jumping-spider.aracnet.com [205.159.88.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F62615659 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:29:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beattie@aracnet.com) Received: from shell2.aracnet.com (IDENT:1728@shell2.aracnet.com [205.159.88.20]) by jumping-spider.aracnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA31605; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:28:47 -0800 Received: from localhost by shell2.aracnet.com (8.8.7) id MAA30935; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:28:48 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: shell2.aracnet.com: beattie owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:28:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Beattie To: Warner Losh Cc: leifn@neland.dk, sheldonh@iafrica.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AIC In-Reply-To: <199903311835.LAA00284@rover.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > The aic driver will likely oneday be ported. However, no one has come > forward to do it. It is a highly desirable driver to have (even if Umm, I'm still working on the aic driver. Slowly, but working on it. > writing it would be a pain) because the only pccard scsi cards that are > out there are aic-6[23]60 based. > Not having a pcmcia slot or card, I am not sure about support for this. > However, the sad fact is that the development is less than active on this > driver. > It is a fact, sad? Im not sure. except for the pccard stuff there is much better stuff than the 6x60 based hardware. Brian Beattie | The only problem with beattie@aracnet.com | winning the rat race ... www.aracnet.com/~beattie | in the end you're still a rat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 15:26:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA5B15635 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:26:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01783 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:24:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:24:31 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: boot up messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a reason to go check when I last installed my kernel, so I did a dmesg to take a look at the boot message, and the greeting from the Regents isn't there anymore. It wasn't there in the var/log/messages either. I'm not interested in the time (uname gave me that), but rather where the boot message got off to. It still shows on the console during boot (I checked) but that's all. I use the new loader.conf mechanism to boot with, and I also notice that the dmesg now is too short to catch teh entire boot message (I load about 8 modules, and the first couple get truncated). How would I increase the amount of memory given to boot messages for dmesg? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 15:47: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71E815C06; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:46:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id QAA26567; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:46:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199903312346.QAA26567@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion To: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:46:04 -0700 (MST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903310247.SAA46577@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> from Satoshi Asami at "Mar 30, 99 06:47:06 pm" Reply-To: chad@dcfinc.com X-unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > Some of you may have stumbled upon bsd.port.mk complaining about the > lack of said file even after a make world. This was caused by my > mistake of forgetting to update src/share/mk at the same time I > committed the check to bsd.port.mk. > > I have since corrected it so if you cvsup again and make world again > (actually just "make install" in src/share/mk), all will be well. As > a workaround, "echo 19990328 > /var/db/pkg/.mkversion" will work > equally fine. CVSup'd RELENG_2_2 this afternoon, did make install in /usr/src/share/mk. Still no good. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 16: 0:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5B315635; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca2-121.ix.netcom.com [205.186.212.121]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17887; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id QAA51145; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:00:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:00:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904010000.QAA51145@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: chad@dcfinc.com Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199903312346.QAA26567@freebie.dcfinc.com> (chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami) References: <199903312346.QAA26567@freebie.dcfinc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: "Chad R. Larson" * CVSup'd RELENG_2_2 this afternoon, did make install in * /usr/src/share/mk. Still no good. Oh yes, RELENG_2_2. Sorry, fixed. -W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 16:46:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from speed.rcc.on.ca (radio163.mipps.net [205.189.197.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 303F114CC4 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:46:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tr49986@rcc.on.ca) Received: from rcc.on.ca (24.66.20.80.on.wave.home.com [24.66.20.80]) by speed.rcc.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA24224 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:04:29 -0500 Message-ID: <370308C1.9B908465@rcc.on.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:48:50 -0500 From: Rod Taylor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Games Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD source tree? For a group of people that was so worried about including dhcp because it's extra code, don't you think it's time to make those games into ports only? I say this under the assumption that they're not required for FreeBSD to function. (Not like IE for windows ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 18:14: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stephens.ml.org (cm2081634025.ponderosa.ispchannel.com [208.163.40.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B7014D8E for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tas@stephens.ml.org) Received: from stephens.ml.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stephens.ml.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA39218; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:12:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from tas@stephens.ml.org) Message-Id: <199904010212.DAA39218@stephens.ml.org> To: John Polstra Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, Thomas Stephens From: Thomas Stephens Subject: Re: support for larger memory In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:12:54 PST." <199903310112.RAA18549@vashon.polstra.com> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:12:56 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Polstra wrote: >In article <199903302319.PAA43671@apollo.backplane.com>, >Matthew Dillon wrote: >> >> Has anyone tried implementing the %ebx solution yet? > >Not as far as I know. I was hoping that somebody who cared about >BSD/OS compatibility would pick up the description of the fix, test >it, and submit diffs. No takers, so far. :-( I'll bite. I tried your fix this morning, and it's worked without a problem so far. I've just upgraded the world (had only built a kernel earlier), and haven't done any rigorous testing, but it looks good. I use the AT&T ksh for BSD/OS as my standard shell, which should be a reasonable test, but haven't got access to BSD/OS itself, so don't have much to test beyond the AT&T tools. Unless something goes wrong, I'll probably submit the diffs within the next day or so. Thomas Stephens tas@stephens.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 18:24:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C8B151A3 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:24:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10715; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:24:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA22496; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:24:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199904010212.DAA39218@stephens.ml.org> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:24:00 -0800 (PST) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Thomas Stephens Subject: Re: support for larger memory Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, dillon@apollo.backplane.com Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas Stephens wrote: > I tried your fix this morning, and it's worked without a problem > so far. I've just upgraded the world (had only built a kernel > earlier), and haven't done any rigorous testing, but it looks good. > I use the AT&T ksh for BSD/OS as my standard shell, which should be > a reasonable test, but haven't got access to BSD/OS itself, so don't > have much to test beyond the AT&T tools. > > Unless something goes wrong, I'll probably submit the diffs within > the next day or so. Hey, thanks a million! If you'd like to send your diffs to me when they're ready, I'll be happy to review them and commit them for you. I have some BSD/OS binaries I can try here, too. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 18:35:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26FC151A3 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA61071; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:31:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:31:38 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Thomas Stephens Cc: John Polstra , dillon@apollo.backplane.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: support for larger memory In-Reply-To: <199904010212.DAA39218@stephens.ml.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One presumes that the BSDI binaries fail without the diff? :-) julian On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Thomas Stephens wrote: > John Polstra wrote: > >In article <199903302319.PAA43671@apollo.backplane.com>, > >Matthew Dillon wrote: > >> > >> Has anyone tried implementing the %ebx solution yet? > > > >Not as far as I know. I was hoping that somebody who cared about > >BSD/OS compatibility would pick up the description of the fix, test > >it, and submit diffs. No takers, so far. :-( > > I'll bite. I tried your fix this morning, and it's worked without a > problem so far. I've just upgraded the world (had only built a kernel > earlier), and haven't done any rigorous testing, but it looks good. I > use the AT&T ksh for BSD/OS as my standard shell, which should be a > reasonable test, but haven't got access to BSD/OS itself, so don't have > much to test beyond the AT&T tools. > > Unless something goes wrong, I'll probably submit the diffs within the > next day or so. > > Thomas Stephens > tas@stephens.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 18:37:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AC3151A3 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:37:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10789; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:36:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA22600; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:36:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:36:46 -0800 (PST) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Julian Elischer Subject: Re: support for larger memory Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Thomas Stephens Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer wrote: > One presumes that the BSDI binaries fail without the diff? :-) Yes, that's been confirmed by lots of people, myself included. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-interest is the aphrodisiac of belief." -- James V. DeLong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 19:11:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73811516F for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:11:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id MAA19944; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:09:54 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3702E01B.75465F21@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:55:23 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Beattie Cc: Warner Losh , leifn@neland.dk, sheldonh@iafrica.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AIC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Beattie wrote: > > > writing it would be a pain) because the only pccard scsi cards that are > > out there are aic-6[23]60 based. > > Not having a pcmcia slot or card, I am not sure about support for this. Once aic6[23]60 is working, the PCMCIA stuff is easily done. > > However, the sad fact is that the development is less than active on this > > driver. > > It is a fact, sad? Im not sure. except for the pccard stuff there is much > better stuff than the 6x60 based hardware. But there are *no* alternatives for notebooks, except parallel port SCSI. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 19:17:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wna1.wna-linknet.com (wna1.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE58615250 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:17:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frodo@wna-linknet.com) Received: from brenda (cust138.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.138]) by wna1.wna-linknet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA18479 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:17:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004e01be7bed$87e749a0$0200000a@wnalinknet.com> From: "Edward Rempala" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:12:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth c6825c35 subscribe freebsd-current frodo@wna-linknet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 19:35:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA1714BD8 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id MAA22764; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:35:27 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3702E799.FFBEC314@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:27:21 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rod Taylor Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Games References: <370308C1.9B908465@rcc.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rod Taylor wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD > source tree? > > For a group of people that was so worried about including dhcp because > it's extra code, don't you think it's time to make those games into > ports only? > > I say this under the assumption that they're not required for FreeBSD to > function. (Not like IE for windows ;) Well, first of all, .profile, .cshrc and signature scripts are broken in the absense of fortune. Aside from that, because that's the BSD heritage. It was once suggested taking them out if they could be made into ports. But, then, the first issue came up. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 21:48:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0178814EC4 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA64539; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:48:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:48:08 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Cc: Boris Staeblow , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mount of write protected fd's In-Reply-To: <199903302138.QAA47485@misha.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Boris Staeblow once wrote: > > > mount should detect that a fd is write-protected and mount it "ro" > > although no "mount -r" is given... Isn't it possible to detect the w/p > > status from the fd-controller? > > Actually, the existing behavior is rather horrible. If you forget > to specify ro for a read-only floppy, mount will succeed, but the > kernel will keep complaining. It will also NOT let you umount the > damn thing (even with -f), until you take the floppy out and > write-enable it. Which, sometimes, requires use of duct tape... > > -mi Mount -u -o ro also works. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \__ \ |) | http://www.freebsd.org _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 22:21:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CED151AF for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20127; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:21:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA30940; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:21:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Rod Taylor Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Games In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:48:50 CDT." <370308C1.9B908465@rcc.on.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:21:06 +0200 Message-ID: <30938.922947666@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <370308C1.9B908465@rcc.on.ca>, Rod Taylor writes: >Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD >source tree? because: 1. They've always been there. 2. Every now and then factor comes handy. 3. Fortune is cool. 4. Deleting games is something people without humour does. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 22:31: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08FE15D1E for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id IAA28451 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:30:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 7A964886B; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:13:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:13:46 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boot up messages Message-ID: <19990401081346.A60682@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 06:24:31PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5173 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Chuck Robey: > about 8 modules, and the first couple get truncated). How would I > increase the amount of memory given to boot messages for dmesg? cf LINT: # Size of the kernel message buffer. Should be N * pagesize. options "MSGBUF_SIZE=40960" And remember that in /var/run/dmesg.boot, you have all the boot messages (within MSGBUF_SIZE of course). -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #70: Sat Feb 27 09:43:08 CET 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 22:46:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF51155E8; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:46:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07324; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:46:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Hay Cc: asami@cs.berkeley.edu (Satoshi Asami), current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Mar 1999 09:01:56 +0200." <199903310701.JAA40747@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:46:31 -0800 Message-ID: <7322.922949191@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Now that "make world" do something in /var/db/pkg, shouldn't /var/db/pkg > be added to the mtree list for 3.1-STABLE and current? Otherwise a > make release will break and also a make world if you haven't installed > any packages yet. I think this entire thing is a massive botch and needs to be removed as a bad idea ASAP. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 22:52:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913F415C39; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:52:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07366; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami) Cc: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:08:20 PST." <199903310708.XAA47424@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:52:29 -0800 Message-ID: <7364.922949549@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Committing /var/db/pkg to mtree was fine, it probably should have been there to begin with. Sticking things into it outside of pkg_add, however, is evil. pkg_add "owns" this directory and every time we've tried to go behind its back, so to speak, we've been raped for it. The whole mess with XFree68 was a total nightmare and is what happens when changes like this are made without really thinking things out. No more kludges, please. I'm not changing sysinstall and make world shouldn't be writing into /var/db/pkg either. If you've found it necessasry to do this, then you've made a mistake just as you did with XFree86 and need to think about the problem again. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 31 23:43:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from angel.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D80E153F0; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:43:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvergall@ns.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be (ns.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.18]) by angel.double-barrel.be (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05560; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:42:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (mvergall@localhost) by ns.double-barrel.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01490; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:42:22 +0200 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:42:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: John Hay , Satoshi Asami , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-Reply-To: <7322.922949191@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry to bud in... but shouldn't /var/db/pkg be only used for package admin purpouses and only for that. Otherwise things get sloppy if one needs to have a .mkversion shouldn't it be in /etc and automatically generated upon bootup from the kernel version number or if the file is used to assetain how to build a port i.e. ELF or a.out their are other ways to accomplish this ...but eh I think the switch to ELF should be finalyzed soon becuase keeping the a.out ports in the current release could be confusing for newbies... namely if they havent installed the compat module it may get sticky... ( note I could be wrong here ). Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Now that "make world" do something in /var/db/pkg, shouldn't /var/db/pkg > > be added to the mtree list for 3.1-STABLE and current? Otherwise a > > make release will break and also a make world if you haven't installed > > any packages yet. > > I think this entire thing is a massive botch and needs to be removed > as a bad idea ASAP. > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 0:39:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gw.itfs.nsk.su (gw.itfs.nsk.su [212.20.32.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A8B814D0F for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nnd@itfs.nsk.su) Received: from itfs.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by gw.itfs.nsk.su (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id PAA09231 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:35:15 +0700 Received: by itfs.nsk.su; Thu, 1 Apr 99 15:31:40 +0600 (NSK) To: current@freebsd.org Message-ID: Organization: Scientific & Technical Enterprise INFOTEKA From: nnd@itfs.nsk.su (Nickolay Dudorov) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 99 15:31:40 +0600 (NSK) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Fools Day Joke ? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is some strangenes in date on file ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/cvs-cur/cvs-cur.5198.gz -r--r--r- 1 603 207 49741 apr 1 1998 cvs-cur.5198.gz N.Dudorov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 0:40:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E23415D2A for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Sczy-0003T8-00; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:38:50 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Rod Taylor Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Games In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:48:50 EST." <370308C1.9B908465@rcc.on.ca> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:38:50 +0200 Message-ID: <13337.922955930@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:48:50 EST, Rod Taylor wrote: > Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD > source tree? Politics and hysterical raisins. If you don't want the "gamey" games, apply the diffs below to your source. Caio, Sheldon. Index: Makefile.inc1 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/Makefile.inc1,v retrieving revision 1.65 diff -u -d -r1.65 Makefile.inc1 --- Makefile.inc1 1999/03/01 01:09:06 1.65 +++ Makefile.inc1 1999/03/01 09:26:18 @@ -828,9 +828,6 @@ .endif .for d in \ bin/sh \ - ${_adventure} \ - ${_hack} \ - ${_phantasia} \ gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools \ lib/libmytinfo \ ${_linux} \ Index: games/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/games/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -d -r1.15 Makefile --- Makefile 1998/08/30 20:58:16 1.15 +++ Makefile 1999/03/02 14:57:30 @@ -2,44 +2,19 @@ # $Id: Makefile,v 1.15 1998/08/30 20:58:16 gpalmer Exp $ # XXX missing: chess ching monop [copyright] -SUBDIR= adventure \ - arithmetic \ - atc \ - backgammon \ - battlestar \ +SUBDIR= \ bcd \ - bs \ caesar \ - canfield \ - cribbage \ - dm \ factor \ - fish \ fortune \ grdc \ - hack \ - hangman \ - larn \ - mille \ morse \ number \ - phantasia \ - piano \ pig \ pom \ ppt \ primes \ - quiz \ - rain \ random \ - robots \ - rogue \ - sail \ - snake \ - trek \ - wargames \ - worm \ - worms \ - wump + \ .include To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 2:19:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D7A151C7 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:19:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id MAA21837; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:18:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999031900) with ESMTP id MAA23134; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:18:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (IDENT:nBeqyeqrIebNzadm3Jj+EmhJBLZK8W7A@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id MAA23086; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:18:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199904011018.MAA23086@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:18:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Games To: dcs@newsguy.com Cc: current@freebsd.org, tr49986@rcc.on.ca In-Reply-To: <3702E799.FFBEC314@newsguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1 Apr, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Well, first of all, .profile, .cshrc and signature scripts are > broken in the absense of fortune. If I remember correctly .cshrc contains [ -x /usr/games/fortune ] && ... so this shouldn't be an issue. BTW.: My /usr/games contains nothing (3.1-Stable install, cvsup to current and make world with NOGAMES=YES). The only thing I've noticed is: hack istn't there anymore, but thats expected. Bye, Alexander. -- http://netchild.home.pages.de A.Leidinger @ wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 2:37:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6335C15318 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:37:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca43-216.ix.netcom.com [209.111.209.216]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18577; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id CAA52719; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:36:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 02:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904011036.CAA52719@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <7364.922949549@zippy.cdrom.com> (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami) References: <7364.922949549@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" * * Committing /var/db/pkg to mtree was fine, it probably should have been * there to begin with. Sticking things into it outside of pkg_add, * however, is evil. pkg_add "owns" this directory and every time we've * tried to go behind its back, so to speak, we've been raped for it. * The whole mess with XFree68 was a total nightmare and is what happens * when changes like this are made without really thinking things out. The name of the directory where it resides doesn't matter. It's not a package file so the situation is totally different from XFree86. (The only reason pkg_info was affected was because I blindly assumed it will ignore non-directories in /var/db/pkg.) I can easily move it out of /var/db/pkg to some other place. * No more kludges, please. I'm not changing sysinstall and make world * shouldn't be writing into /var/db/pkg either. If you've found it * necessasry to do this, then you've made a mistake just as you did * with XFree86 and need to think about the problem again. The same situation arises whether the version info is in /var/db/pkg or /some/other/place. It has been pointed out many times in the past that we need something to ensure bsd.port.mk can synchronize itself with the rest of the system (simply because there are too many people who cvsup one without the other). The question is, can I ask you to make sysinstall write some kind of version info that can be used by bsd.port.mk to identify the age of the system? The problem is real, we've been bitten too many times in the past (haven't you seen all the "where's fetch -A?" and other more subtle breakages that are caused by ports and system mismatch), and I can solve it with or without your help. It will just be so much easier if you can help me out a little. -W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 3:20:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EBA14E7A for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:20:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA24626; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 20:20:13 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <370354DF.7BD4708E@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:13:35 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Leidinger Cc: current@freebsd.org, tr49986@rcc.on.ca Subject: Re: Games References: <199904011018.MAA23086@wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > On 1 Apr, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > > Well, first of all, .profile, .cshrc and signature scripts are > > broken in the absense of fortune. > > If I remember correctly .cshrc contains > [ -x /usr/games/fortune ] && ... > so this shouldn't be an issue. Well, some people seem to be able to survive without fortune, but that's probably the exception to the rule... :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "nothing better than the ability to perform cunning linguistics" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 3:29: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCB614F8A; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA17165; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:28:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:28:39 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion Message-ID: <19990401052839.D11572@futuresouth.com> References: <7364.922949549@zippy.cdrom.com> <199904011036.CAA52719@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199904011036.CAA52719@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami on Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 02:36:14AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Yes, I'm sticking my nose in where it probably doesn't belong and should get chopped off for it. It's a hobby ;] On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 02:36:14AM -0800, a little birdie told me that Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami remarked > > The same situation arises whether the version info is in /var/db/pkg > or /some/other/place. It has been pointed out many times in the past > that we need something to ensure bsd.port.mk can synchronize itself > with the rest of the system (simply because there are too many people > who cvsup one without the other). > > The question is, can I ask you to make sysinstall write some kind of > version info that can be used by bsd.port.mk to identify the age of > the system? This would require a little more work on the 'back' side, but what would be so hard about just checking $Id$ strings around the .mk files? If not for the revision, at least for the date. > The problem is real, we've been bitten too many times in the past > (haven't you seen all the "where's fetch -A?" and other more subtle Well, certainly, it's not always feasible, but I never understood this one in particular. It always seemed like a PERFECT candidate for an OSVERSION (or whatever) bump; certainly the 3.1+ only, since pre-3.1 didn't have the -A (3.1 didn't either, but that would cut out all the complaints from pre-3.1'ers). --- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Matthew Fuller http://www.over-yonder.net/ | * fullermd@futuresouth.com fullermd@over-yonder.net * | UNIX Systems Administrator Specializing in FreeBSD | * FutureSouth Communications ISPHelp ISP Consulting * | "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, | * is because I haven't figured out how to light the * | middle yet" | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 3:50:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from titan.metropolitan.at (unknown [195.212.98.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F6915028 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 03:50:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mladavac@metropolitan.at) Received: by TITAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2AY77JJP>; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:52:10 +0200 Message-ID: <97A8CA5BF490D211A94F0000F6C2E55D097588@s-lmh-wi-900.corpnet.at> From: Ladavac Marino To: "'Daniel C. Sobral'" , Alexander Leidinger Cc: current@freebsd.org, tr49986@rcc.on.ca Subject: RE: Games Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:46:38 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel C. Sobral [SMTP:dcs@newsguy.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 1:14 PM > To: Alexander Leidinger > Cc: current@freebsd.org; tr49986@rcc.on.ca > Subject: Re: Games > > Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > > > On 1 Apr, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > > > > Well, first of all, .profile, .cshrc and signature scripts are > > > broken in the absense of fortune. > > > > If I remember correctly .cshrc contains > > [ -x /usr/games/fortune ] && ... > > so this shouldn't be an issue. > > Well, some people seem to be able to survive without fortune, but > that's probably the exception to the rule... :-) > [ML] Oh, I can live without fortune(6), but pom(6) was invaluable in software malfunction diagnosis: luser: "My program fails when I do this or that." me: "No wonder, the moon is 73% full." /Marino > -- > Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) > dcs@newsguy.com > dcs@freebsd.org > > "nothing better than the ability to perform cunning linguistics" > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 4: 0:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from noc.demon.net (server.noc.demon.net [193.195.224.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1E915028 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:00:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: by noc.demon.net; id NAA08212; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:00:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net(195.11.55.83) by inside.noc.demon.net via smap (3.2) id xmae08125; Thu, 1 Apr 99 13:00:17 +0100 Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 1.73 #2) id 10Sg8u-0000pi-00; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:00:16 +0100 To: current@freebsd.org From: Tony Finch Subject: Re: booting systems with lots of memory In-Reply-To: <199903292003.MAA00525@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <14079.46583.208347.306328@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:00:16 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: >Tony Finch wrote: >[serial console problems] >> We suspect a BIOS that's being too damn clever for its own good. > >That sounds about right. If your BIOS on the Intel box is set for a >serial console, you could try poking it again to make sure that it's set >for 9600 bps and that the various 'magic' options relating to remote >health monitoring are all off. That did turn out to be the problem. The memory has finally followed the box from here to the Docklands and we now have a machine with the following dmesg. We'll be trying it out under load in the near future. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE #25: Mon Mar 29 14:38:45 BST 1999 root@discord.news.demon.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/NCRXEON Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Xeon/Celeron (686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x653 Stepping=3 Features=0x183fbff> real memory = 3221225472 (3145728K bytes) avail memory = 3133857792 (3060408K bytes) Programming 64 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpint 38 -> irq 17 IOAPIC #0 intpint 40 -> irq 18 IOAPIC #0 intpint 41 -> irq 15 IOAPIC #0 intpint 42 -> irq 10 IOAPIC #0 intpint 44 -> irq 7 IOAPIC #0 intpint 48 -> irq 11 IOAPIC #0 intpint 49 -> irq 16 IOAPIC #0 intpint 58 -> irq 14 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 3, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu2 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu3 (AP): apic id: 2, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 4, version: 0x003f0013, at 0xfec10000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02ea000. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: ahc0: rev 0x01 int a irq 14 on pci0.10.0 ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs vga0: rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci0.12.0 chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.15.0 No driver for device 0x71118086 at pci0:15:1 No driver for device 0x71128086 at pci0:15:2 chip1: rev 0x02 on pci0.15.3 chip2: rev 0x03 on pci0.16.0 chip3: rev 0x02 on pci0.18.0 chip4: rev 0x02 on pci0.19.0 chip5: rev 0x02 on pci0.20.0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: ahc1: rev 0x00 int a irq 17 on pci1.4.0 ahc1: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs fxp0: rev 0x04 int a irq 18 on pci1.5.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:a4:85:bd chip6: rev 0x03 on pci1.6.0 fpa0: rev 0x01 int a irq 7 on pci1.7.0 fpa0: DEC DEFPA PCI FDDI SAS Controller fpa0: FDDI address 00:00:f8:c9:91:56, FW=3.10, HW=0, SMT V7.2 fpa0: FDDI Port = S (PMD = Unshielded Twisted Pair) No driver for device 0x123d8086 at pci1:9:0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 2: de0: rev 0x22 int a irq 10 on pci2.4.0 de0: SMC 9332BDT 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de0: address 00:e0:29:26:53:71 de1: rev 0x22 int a irq 15 on pci2.5.0 de1: SMC 9332BDT 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2 de1: address 00:e0:29:26:53:70 Probing for devices on PCI bus 3: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 not found sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A, console sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 not found fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2 IP packet filtering initialized, divert disabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to accept, unlimited logging Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! de0: enabling 10baseT port de1: autosense failed: cable problem? pass2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 pass2: Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device pass2: 3.300MB/s transfers pass5 at ahc1 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 pass5: Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device pass5: 3.300MB/s transfers da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8683C) da2 at ahc1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 10.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8683C) da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8683C) da3 at ahc1 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da3: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da3: 10.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da3: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8683C) changing root device to da0s1a ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates fpa0: Link Unavailable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 4:20:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0D714C30 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca43-216.ix.netcom.com [209.111.209.216]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18711; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id EAA53032; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:19:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:19:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904011219.EAA53032@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: fullermd@futuresouth.com Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19990401052839.D11572@futuresouth.com> (fullermd@futuresouth.com) Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami) References: <7364.922949549@zippy.cdrom.com> <199904011036.CAA52719@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <19990401052839.D11572@futuresouth.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: "Matthew D. Fuller" * [ Yes, I'm sticking my nose in where it probably doesn't belong and * should get chopped off for it. It's a hobby ;] Don't worry, I enjoy chopping off noses. :) * On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 02:36:14AM -0800, a little birdie told me * that Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami remarked What birdie? * This would require a little more work on the 'back' side, but what would * be so hard about just checking $Id$ strings around the .mk files? If * not for the revision, at least for the date. Which .mk files? Note that it's not bsd.port.mk's version we need -- we already have that. We need something on the system to compare against. * Well, certainly, it's not always feasible, but I never understood this * one in particular. It always seemed like a PERFECT candidate for an * OSVERSION (or whatever) bump; certainly the 3.1+ only, since pre-3.1 * didn't have the -A (3.1 didn't either, but that would cut out all the * complaints from pre-3.1'ers). That only works if the user recompiled the kernel, since that's where we're getting it from. (Or we can get it from but bsd.port.mk is not a compiler.) -W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 4:53: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [216.140.184.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20691519D; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:52:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA03406; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:52:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.dataplex.net: rkw owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:52:35 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth Reply-To: rkw@dataplex.net To: Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-Reply-To: <199904011036.CAA52719@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have to agree that the problem is real. However, let me point out that a "one identifier" solution is very short sided. There are two distinct environments to be considered. The HOST environment and the TARGET environment. For convience, we should also consider a TOOLSET environment which is a cross between the two. Just as it is "wrong" to use compiler variables like, "__FreeBSD__" to control target compilations (except as a default), it is also "wrong" to do so for the ports. The group has come around to the idea that the files in /usr/include represent the HOST and not the TARGET. I suggest that you dig out my old proposal for tagging the HOST in /usr/include. The natural tag for the TARGET would be in /usr/src/include. However, I can see some problems with this for the ports tree. The more general mechanism allows us to "register" capabilities. (Shades of some commercial OS'es) However, we may not want to do things in such a unified manner :-) On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami wrote: > It has been pointed out many times in the past > that we need something to ensure bsd.port.mk can synchronize itself > with the rest of the system > > The question is, can I ask you to make sysinstall write some kind of > version info that can be used by bsd.port.mk to identify the age of > the system? > > The problem is real, we've been bitten too many times in the past > (haven't you seen all the "where's fetch -A?" and other more subtle > breakages that are caused by ports and system mismatch) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 5: 0: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A5314F10; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:00:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05556; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:58:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:58:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Richard Wackerbarth Cc: Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami , jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > I have to agree that the problem is real. > However, let me point out that a "one identifier" solution is > very short sided. > > There are two distinct environments to be considered. > The HOST environment and the TARGET environment. > For convience, we should also consider a TOOLSET > environment which is a cross between the two. > > Just as it is "wrong" to use compiler variables like, > "__FreeBSD__" to control target compilations (except > as a default), it is also "wrong" to do so for the ports. > > The group has come around to the idea that the files in /usr/include > represent the HOST and not the TARGET. > > I suggest that you dig out my old proposal for tagging the HOST in > /usr/include. The natural tag for the TARGET would be in > /usr/src/include. However, I can see some problems with this for > the ports tree. Richard, don't forget that having /usr/src isn't required to build ports. It seems a pretty draconian requirement to add. This is ports we're talking about, and nearly all of ports cannot build (as they are now) in cross-hosted environments. There's 2000 ports to consider, and the fix has to go in soon, not something for 2001. I would not be against changes in strategy for the longer run (and your ideas have merit for that view) but we need a short term fix here. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 5: 3:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from daytona.hkstar.com (daytona.hkstar.com [202.82.3.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE5C14F10 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from c5666305@ursa.hkstar.com) Received: from b1.hkstar.com (b1.hkstar.com [202.82.0.87]) by daytona.hkstar.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01432 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:02:46 +0800 (HKT) Received: (from c5666305@localhost) by b1.hkstar.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id VAA16692 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:02:45 +0800 (HKT) From: Chan Yiu Wah Message-Id: <199904011302.VAA16692@b1.hkstar.com> Subject: make world fail with ctm src-cur.3809 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:02:44 +0800 (HKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0b1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I tried to update my system with ctm upto src-cur.3809 and found the following error. Can anyone help ? thanks. Clarence ======= Error ======= In file included from /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/libgroff/../../../../contrib/groff/libgroff/new.cc:24: /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/libgroff/../../../../contrib/groff/include/posix.h:25: osfcn.h: No such file or directory /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/libgroff/../../../../contrib/groff/libgroff/new.cc: In function `void ewrite(const char *)': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/libgroff/../../../../contrib/groff/libgroff/new.cc:30: warning: implicit declaration of function `int write(...)' *** Error code 1 Stop. ======= Error ======= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 5: 9:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F56150D0 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:09:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca43-216.ix.netcom.com [209.111.209.216]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18797; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id FAA53495; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:08:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:08:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904011308.FAA53495@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: rkw@dataplex.net Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Richard Wackerbarth on Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:52:35 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Richard Wackerbarth * I have to agree that the problem is real. * However, let me point out that a "one identifier" solution is * very short sided. sighted :> * There are two distinct environments to be considered. * The HOST environment and the TARGET environment. * For convience, we should also consider a TOOLSET * environment which is a cross between the two. (Rolling my eyes.) This issue has nothing to do with hosts and targets. The ports tree has never supported building ports on a system with a version other than the one that is going to run it. (And we don't intend to start doing it any time soon either, sorry. ;) -W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 5:12:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from newman.cs.purdue.edu (newman.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C351215196 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:12:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from splite@cs.purdue.edu) Received: from bugs.cs.purdue.edu (bugs.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.8.30]) by newman.cs.purdue.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/PURDUE_CS-2.0) with ESMTP id IAA28205 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from splite@localhost) by bugs.cs.purdue.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/PURDUE_CS-2.0) id IAA04851 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:12:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:12:18 -0500 From: Steven Plite To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AIC Message-ID: <19990401081218.A4803@bugs.cs.purdue.edu> References: <3702E01B.75465F21@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <3702E01B.75465F21@newsguy.com>; from Daniel C. Sobral on Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 11:55:23AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 11:55:23AM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Brian Beattie wrote: > > > > > writing it would be a pain) because the only pccard scsi cards that are > > > out there are aic-6[23]60 based. > > > > Not having a pcmcia slot or card, I am not sure about support for this. > > Once aic6[23]60 is working, the PCMCIA stuff is easily done. > > > > However, the sad fact is that the development is less than active on this > > > driver. > > > > It is a fact, sad? Im not sure. except for the pccard stuff there is much > > better stuff than the 6x60 based hardware. > > But there are *no* alternatives for notebooks, except parallel port > SCSI. This isn't true. The 3.0 version of Newtek's Bus Toaster uses a Symbios 53C500 chip. I think Newtek still makes them... Granted, we don't have a driver for that controller either, but the programming manual is readily available from LSI Logic. Seems to me that NetBSD has a driver for it, based on a Linux driver. (Been a while since I looked into it, so I may be misremembering.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 5:13:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.12.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E16C150D0 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: (from mi@localhost) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA14746 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <199904011257.HAA14746@kot.ne.mediaone.net> Subject: latest bsd.port.mk and FETCH_CMD To: current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:57:10 -0500 (EST) X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Reply-To: rkw@dataplex.net To: Chuck Robey Cc: Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami , jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > > The natural tag for the TARGET would be in > > /usr/src/include. However, I can see some problems with this for > > the ports tree. > > Richard, don't forget that having /usr/src isn't required to build > ports. I don't think that I did forget. I explicitly reference that situation. The real solution (re the TARGET) has to depend on something that the USER sets for a particular "run". As such, it should be an environment variable which defaults to the HOST value. At the same time, the ports have to consider the purpose for which they need the identification. For example, "fetch -A" is a HOST/TOOLSET situation. But selecting the set of sysctls to compile into the code is a TARGET question. Nobody said cross compilation is easy :-) The "simple" solution for ports may be to build 3.1 packages on 3.1 machines and 4.0 packages only on 4.0 systems. In that case, TARGET == HOST and things are much easier. I still see nothing wrong with /usr/include for a place to store a tag about the HOST. Alternately, the traditional place would be /etc. The format of the tag should be considered. IMHO, it is best if we can have one knob which works for make, sh, and cc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 5:30:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B35615095 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca43-216.ix.netcom.com [209.111.209.216]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18830; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id FAA53603; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:30:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:30:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904011330.FAA53603@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net Cc: current@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199904011257.HAA14746@kot.ne.mediaone.net> (message from Mikhail Teterin on Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:57:10 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: latest bsd.port.mk and FETCH_CMD From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami) References: <199904011257.HAA14746@kot.ne.mediaone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Mikhail Teterin * With the latest changes to the bsd.port.mk, my local setting (in * /etc/make.conf) of: * FETCH_CMD=/usr/local/bin/runsocks /usr/bin/fetch -p * is ignored. It uses the default /usr/bin/fetch, which does nto work * for me... That's weird. The only change around that area was to add a comment. FETCH_CMD is still defined with a "?=", so your make.conf should take precedence. -W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 5:41:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from woodstock.monkey.net (mercury-2-131.mdm.mkt.execpc.com [169.207.86.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC3A15D75; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:41:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamilton@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woodstock.monkey.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7203E; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:40:54 -0600 (CST) To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami , jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, jhay@mikom.csir.co.za, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Apr 1999 05:28:39 CST." <19990401052839.D11572@futuresouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:40:54 -0600 From: Jon Hamilton Message-Id: <19990401134054.7E7203E@woodstock.monkey.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19990401052839.D11572@futuresouth.com>, "Matthew D. Fuller" wrote: } [ Yes, I'm sticking my nose in where it probably doesn't belong and } should get chopped off for it. It's a hobby ;] } } On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 02:36:14AM -0800, a little birdie told me } that Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami remarked } > } > The same situation arises whether the version info is in /var/db/pkg } > or /some/other/place. It has been pointed out many times in the past } > that we need something to ensure bsd.port.mk can synchronize itself } > with the rest of the system (simply because there are too many people } > who cvsup one without the other). } > } > The question is, can I ask you to make sysinstall write some kind of } > version info that can be used by bsd.port.mk to identify the age of } > the system? } } This would require a little more work on the 'back' side, but what would } be so hard about just checking $Id$ strings around the .mk files? If } not for the revision, at least for the date. I think that's asking for trouble - it'll lose if someone keeps their .mk files in their own RCS (I do this for some files; admittedly not for the .mk files, but I could see someone doing that). -- Jon Hamilton hamilton@pobox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 5:45:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [216.140.184.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EA915DA4; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 05:45:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA03612; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:45:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.dataplex.net: rkw owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:45:29 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth Reply-To: rkw@dataplex.net To: Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-Reply-To: <199904011308.FAA53495@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami wrote: > * From: Richard Wackerbarth > * very short sided. > sighted :> Yes, a slight transfer error between my brain and 'sendmail'. > * There are two distinct environments to be considered. > * The HOST environment and the TARGET environment. > This issue has nothing to do with hosts and targets. The ports tree > has never supported building ports on a system with a version other > than the one that is going to run it. (And we don't intend to start > doing it any time soon either, sorry. ;) I recognize that. However, I bring it up because there are a number of programmers who still fail to recognize the distinction. I hope that we can get the rest (non-ports) of the build system into shape. Any "solution" for the ports should be one that also works elsewhere. As a result, I would hate to see yet another inadequate mechanism become entrenched. I don't think that "ports" ever stands a real chance in making it to cross compilation because too many of the components rely on autoconf style configuration. This often trys to decide which representation to use by "trial and error". It is virtually impossible for "you" to police all those ports authors and have them maintain cross-compile compliance. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 7:44:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7D614F12 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA06701; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:43:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:43:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason J. Horton" To: Rod Taylor Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Games In-Reply-To: <370308C1.9B908465@rcc.on.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: > Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD > source tree? > > For a group of people that was so worried about including dhcp because > it's extra code, don't you think it's time to make those games into > ports only? > > I say this under the assumption that they're not required for FreeBSD to > function. (Not like IE for windows ;) As far as I am concerned, things like fortune, pom, pig and banner have been included with BSD-ish systems for ages... Tradition... I wouldn't feel the same if I didn't get my fortune every login. also, don't you have the option to not have the games? -Jason J. Horton Senior Network & Systems Engineer Intercom Online Inc. 212.378.2202 | http://www.intercom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 8:30:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2E214E3E for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:30:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10SkM2-0000PK-00; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:30:06 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: Rod Taylor , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Games In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:43:51 EST." Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:30:06 +0200 Message-ID: <1569.922984206@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:43:51 EST, "Jason J. Horton" wrote: > also, don't you have the option to not have the games? The problem with NOGAMES is that it strips things that some people consider "useful". The diffs I posted earlier today (same subject line) rip out the "games" and leave behind the "utilities", where words in quotes are subjective matters, and hence not worth discussing. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 9:27:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3325154D8 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:27:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id CAA28799; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:27:19 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3703A923.7F5810EF@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 02:13:07 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Plite Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AIC References: <3702E01B.75465F21@newsguy.com> <19990401081218.A4803@bugs.cs.purdue.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steven Plite wrote: > > > But there are *no* alternatives for notebooks, except parallel port > > SCSI. > > This isn't true. The 3.0 version of Newtek's Bus Toaster uses a Symbios > 53C500 chip. I think Newtek still makes them... I meant that there are no alternatives available in 3.x. > Granted, we don't have a driver for that controller either, but the > programming manual is readily available from LSI Logic. Seems to me that > NetBSD has a driver for it, based on a Linux driver. (Been a while since > I looked into it, so I may be misremembering.) It seems programming manuals for the AIC 6[23]60 are also available, and there is even a FreeBSD driver for it... :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "nothing better than the ability to perform cunning linguistics" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 9:33:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88606152BD for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:33:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id CAA29198; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:32:59 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3703AC7A.F740BF26@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 02:27:22 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: "Jason J. Horton" , Rod Taylor , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Games References: <1569.922984206@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:43:51 EST, "Jason J. Horton" wrote: > > > also, don't you have the option to not have the games? > > The problem with NOGAMES is that it strips things that some people > consider "useful". The diffs I posted earlier today (same subject line) > rip out the "games" and leave behind the "utilities", where words in > quotes are subjective matters, and hence not worth discussing. You stripped DM, which has it's uses. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "nothing better than the ability to perform cunning linguistics" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 9:49:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F264E14BFF; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:48:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06310; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:47:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Richard Wackerbarth Cc: Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami , jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > > Richard, don't forget that having /usr/src isn't required to build > > ports. > > I don't think that I did forget. I explicitly reference that situation. > > The real solution (re the TARGET) has to depend on something that the USER > sets for a particular "run". As such, it should be an environment variable > which defaults to the HOST value. > > At the same time, the ports have to consider the purpose for which they > need the identification. For example, "fetch -A" is a HOST/TOOLSET > situation. But selecting the set of sysctls to compile into the > code is a TARGET question. Nobody said cross compilation is easy :-) Well, seeing as FreeBSD doesn't have control over the software involved, and nearly all the software involved is broken for the kind of portability you're talking about, this seems unreasonable. It's one thing for ports to adapt a particular piece of software to run on FreeBSD hosts, it's quite a different thing to make it cross-build, any to any. That would convert doing a port from being a reasonably short job, to being (for each port) a major rewrite project. Seeing the extreme fluidity of many ports, and the large number of ports, this sounds like a very unreal expectation. Your statement "Nobody said cross compilation is easy :-)", well, the work involved is huge, and the demand ... huh, you're the ONLY one to demand it. OK, maybe even "demand" is wrong, but you get the idea, that it's a lot of work for something that isn't seen as necessary. If you were talking about the FreeBSD sources themselves, everything I said is out the window, because we *do* have total control of those, and the change rate is under our purview. For ports, with that outside our control, and no established need, it seems excessive. Go adapt one of the gnome things, see how long it takes you to do *one* port with the features you seem to be requiring. If it's less than what I envision, perhaps you're getting what you want over badly, and seeing a port done as you want would be instructive to the rest of us. I think you're going to spend a *lot* of time doing that one port. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 10:26:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C880715631 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:26:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21765; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.63]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21302; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:25:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1569.922984206@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:25:23 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: Games Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Rod Taylor , "Jason J. Horton" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 01-Apr-99 Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:43:51 EST, "Jason J. Horton" wrote: > >> also, don't you have the option to not have the games? > > The problem with NOGAMES is that it strips things that some people > consider "useful". The diffs I posted earlier today (same subject line) > rip out the "games" and leave behind the "utilities", where words in > quotes are subjective matters, and hence not worth discussing. They aren't exactly huge either, my /usr/obj/usr/src/games only has 4 Meg in it, and that's including all the object files in addition to the executables. > Ciao, > Sheldon. --- John Baldwin -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 10:40:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.nobell.com [216.140.184.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D5F15183; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:40:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA00914; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:39:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from root@dataplex.net) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 12:39:50 -0600 (CST) From: Charlie ROOT Reply-To: rkw@dataplex.net To: Chuck Robey Cc: Richard Wackerbarth , Satoshi - the Wraith - Asami , jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /var/db/pkg/.mkversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Richard Wackerbarth wrote: > Your statement "Nobody said cross compilation is easy :-)" By this smiley, I mean to infer that it is far from easy. > you're the ONLY one to demand it. OK, maybe even "demand" is wrong > If you were talking about the FreeBSD sources themselves, everything I > said is out the window, because we *do* have total control I think that you have missed the entire point of what I am advocating. Within the ports Makefiles (and .mk), we DO have control. We SHOULD make certain that we do NOT REPEAT the past errors of using the wrong parameter when we CAN do it correctly. IOW, don't box the future development in by building a mechanism which works ONLY if HOST == TARGET. Provide a mechanism which can provide TARGET independent from HOST, but defaulting to the same value. In the code which we write for the FreeBSD tree, including /usr/ports, use the correct context. I ask this because the mechanism for ports SHOULD be the same mechanism that is used for OS builds. In the realm of OS building, I think that we are making progress toward cross build capability. I would hate to see this thing for ports be a step backward. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 1 10:46:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gilliam.flyingcroc.com (gilliam.flyingcroc.com [204.157.104.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with