From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 21 17:23:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949611149F for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmm125@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client201-122-25.bellatlantic.net [151.201.122.25]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23393 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:22:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36D0B107.839C9B9B@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:21:11 -0500 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD && PS/2 MCA (Micro Channel) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've recently acquired an IBM PS/2, which has a Micro Channel bus, unfortunately. It is a 486 DX4/100, so it doesn't have great speed, but pretty decent for a secondary machine for hacking purposes. I already assume that FreeBSD doesn't support MCA and Linux does, but maybe someone out there has gotten some NetBSD drivers to work with this machine? Some other questions: Any ideas on how to network this machine to my "good" one? I'd like to mount remote NFS, or maybe just use it as an X-terminal. I think my options at this point are serial port networking. That said, will serial-port networking work right out of the box, or do I need a special driver? Can I mount remote NFS from a Linux to a FreeBSD machine? I predict Netscape 4.5 won't run extremely fast on a DX4, but I think it will run OK though. I could boot it up with the install disk, but when I get to the install screen, my cursor keys are all screwed up, and I can't make any selections. Oh yeah, and it has two SCSI drives attached to a special Micro Channel Future Domain SCSI card. Thanks Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 6:54:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net [200.44.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889AA1117C for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:54:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alvaro@cantv.net) Received: from aec.cantv.net (ws-67.chacao-01.int.cantv.net [200.44.44.83]) by rs5s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id KAA14365; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:54:14 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990221223739.00728ee0@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: alvaro@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:37:39 -0400 To: Gahn Lu , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Alvaro Carvajal Subject: Re: CompaQ hardware In-Reply-To: <19990220014412.18243.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:44 PM 19/02/1999 PST, Gahn Lu wrote: >Hi all: > >I have one Compaq DESKPRO XL 560 and one Compaq Proliant (?) 800. Could I >use thme to install freebsd? > We have a Proliant 800 with 2.2.5 installed. We had to install a standard NIC since FreeBSD didn't recognized the Compaq NIC. It was one of our relay servers for over 6 months :) Don't know about the Deskpro, though. -alvaro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 7:14: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.88.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4DC11DED; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:13:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@dcs.qmw.ac.uk) Received: from brunos-sun [138.37.88.185]; by hotpoint.dcs.qmw.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5/S-4.0) with SMTP; id OAA04997; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:58:07 GMT Received: locally by brunos-sun (SMI-8.6/QMW-client-3.2b); poster "scott"; id OAA00571; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:55:04 GMT Message-ID: <19990222145504.C23919@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:55:04 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet driver (new version) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just rolled out a new release of my driver for Xircom CE2 and CE3 PCMCIA Ethernet cards. You can grab the source/docs from: http://www.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/~scott/xe_drv/ The big changes in this release are that I've got the media selection code mostly working, and sorted out some of the problems with the probe routine. The media selection code now uses the 'media' option to ifconfig and will successfully autonegotiate on all the hubs I have access to. CEM56 support is still notable by its absence. However, I know what the problem is, and someone is working on it. The code should compile on 3.0, 3.1 and maybe 4.0. I doubt it will work unchanged on 2.2.x -- a backport will happen at a later date. Patches would be appreciated if you need to do anything weird to get it to compile. Please let me know about any and all problems/successes with the driver. A couple more updates and I'll be nagging the powers-that-be to get it committed :) Cheers, Scott PS. If you received this directly and *don't* want any further mail about the driver, let me know and I'll take you off my list. -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID |"If I can't have my coffee, I'm just | 0x54B171B9 | like a dried up piece of roast goat" QMW College, London, UK | 0xAA775B8B | -- J. S. Bach. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 12:35:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E94119F8; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:35:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA14806; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:38:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:38:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason J. Horton" To: smp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: SMP problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am running a dual PPRO system based on a Micronics W6LI. I build a SMP kernel, and I get this error on startup: panic: pmap_bootstrap: no local apic! any ideas? Also, I know some people out there use the W6LI for thier SMP system, anyone have problems getting thier boards to recognize all thier RAM? My machine has a 128Meg DIMM, and the board only sees 64Meg. Please email me directly, since I am not sure if I am subscribed to these lists. -J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 12:53:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E1111721; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:52:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14970; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:49:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:49:18 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Jason J. Horton wrote: > I am running a dual PPRO system based on a Micronics W6LI. > I build a SMP kernel, and I get this error on startup: > panic: pmap_bootstrap: no local apic! > > any ideas? Also, I know some people out there use the W6LI > for thier SMP system, anyone have problems getting thier > boards to recognize all thier RAM? My machine has a 128Meg DIMM, > and the board only sees 64Meg. This uses Intel PPros ? No cheating now ... not for SMP, you know, you can't. > > Please email me directly, since I am not sure if I am subscribed > to these lists. > > -J > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 13: 0:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4089611B86; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA23642; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:02:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:02:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason J. Horton" To: Chuck Robey Cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This uses Intel PPros ? No cheating now ... not for SMP, you know, you > can't. Uses genuine Intel Pentium Pro's... didn't know there was any other cpu that fit in a socket 8 zif slot. -J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 13:19:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4129010FB8; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15091; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Jason J. Horton wrote: > > This uses Intel PPros ? No cheating now ... not for SMP, you know, you > > can't. > > Uses genuine Intel Pentium Pro's... didn't know there was any other > cpu that fit in a socket 8 zif slot. Then you better post your dmesg and config file. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 14:42:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from www0y.netaddress.usa.net (www0y.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5283111B43 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ipfreak@netscape.net) Received: (qmail 14554 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 1999 22:39:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990222223919.14553.qmail@www0y.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.54 by www0y via web-mailer(R2.6) on Mon Feb 22 22:39:19 GMT 1999 Date: 22 Feb 99 14:39:19 PST From: Gahn Lu To: e.vedischev@belabm.by, Gahn Lu Subject: Re: [Re: CompaQ hardware] Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks. So FreeBSD has not driver for the Compaq Integrated Netelligent = 10/100 NIC, right? Also the proliant 800 comes with hitachi 8x cdrom. Does FreeBSD has driver for it? TIA _Gahn owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: >Hello > >DeskPro XL 560 - 2.2.8 only: >AMD scsi driver which hasn't rewritten for new CAM SCSI layer in 3.x. = >driver for AMD PCnet LAN chip is unstable, though :( > >Proliat 800 - 2.2.8 and 3.x: >Compaq Integrated UW SCSI =3D Symbios 875, driver exist, there was >succesful reports in mailings lists; >Compaq Integrated Netelligent 10/100 - TI ThunderLAN chip, driver xl0. > >Eugene > >PS. Sorry for bad english :) ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at htt= p://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 15:11: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from seg.fault.net (seg.fault.net [207.96.19.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A9A11B54; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:10:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from awood@fault.net) Received: from localhost (awood@localhost) by seg.fault.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA08128; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:09:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from awood@fault.net) X-Authentication-Warning: seg.fault.net: awood owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:09:50 -0500 (EST) From: austin wood To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: smp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was quite sure that Intel PPro motherboards do not have DIMM slots. I thought they only had SIMM slots. On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Jason J. Horton wrote: > I am running a dual PPRO system based on a Micronics W6LI. > I build a SMP kernel, and I get this error on startup: > panic: pmap_bootstrap: no local apic! > > any ideas? Also, I know some people out there use the W6LI > for thier SMP system, anyone have problems getting thier > boards to recognize all thier RAM? My machine has a 128Meg DIMM, > and the board only sees 64Meg. > > Please email me directly, since I am not sure if I am subscribed > to these lists. > > -J > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 15:19:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78E51107D; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:19:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA06592; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:18:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason J. Horton" To: austin wood Cc: smp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was quite sure that Intel PPro motherboards do not have DIMM slots. I > thought they only had SIMM slots. The W6LI has 4 DIMM (Yes, 168 pin dimms) slots. Buffered EDO ECC 3.3v DIMMs. In fact, if you go on pricewatch and look for that kind of DIMM, most of the ads say "For dual ppro systems". -J "I hate it when conversations get sidetracked" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 22 17:49:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5D71107D for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:49:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com (srmail.sr.hp.com [15.4.45.14]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id RAA00644 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA246154575; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:49:35 -0800 Received: from localhost (darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id RAA18183 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:49:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902230149.RAA18183@mina.sr.hp.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Video cards for X11 [was Re: kde] Reply-To: Darryl Okahata Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.1.1.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:49:34 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In freebsd-hackers, Mike Smith wrote: > S3V cards are all 100% suspect; I've seen them cause innumerable > problems (basic hardware issues). If at all possible dump the card and > use something else. Going off on a tangent ... I'm going to try building an SMP system using modified Celeron CPUs (but *not* overclocked), and I'm looking for a relatively inexpensive (under $100) video card. I was going to get a cheap S3 (Virge) card, as the XFree folks recommend S3 cards, but now I'm not sure. Anyone have any recommendations? -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 0: 7:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU (helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.131.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8900611E4F; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:07:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmacd@helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU) Received: (from jmacd@localhost) by helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id AAA27379; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:07:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990223000741.18200@helen.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:07:41 -0800 From: Josh MacDonald To: smp@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dell Precision Workstation 410 SMP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was recently loaned a new Dell and booted 3.1-RELEASE. It is a dual PII-450 with the 440BX chipset. I am having some hardware trouble, and the SMP kernel has paniced in about 2 of 6 or 7 startups, shortly after the second processor launches. I do not know how to debug, or help debug this sort of thing. I think there may be some hardware incompatibilities with this machine. The ATAPI CD-R drive had some trouble under Windows NT4 playing audio CDs, there was something too new about it (NEC 16x). Dell has released an updated driver. I am unable to mount a CD, it reports: cd9660: Device not configured I have been unable to use the on-board sound card, but I didn't try very hard because I don't know what is wrong. It has a ZIP drive, and though I boot with a disk inserted the device reports something about it being buggy and having no media present. The graphics device is some crazy 2D and 3D card: E&S AccelGALAXY 31 video card offers 16Mb of frame buffer and 15Mb of texture memory with full OpenGL support. Supports 1280x1024, double buffered with 24-bit Z-buffer. I doubt this card is supported. Does anyone know what I can do about any of the above issues, or how I can help determine if a solution exists? -josh dmesg reports: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Feb 22 13:37:13 PST 1999 jmacd@spin.dsl.pacbell.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/SPIN Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Xeon/Celeron (686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x652 Stepping=2 Features=0x183fbff> real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 258641920 (252580K bytes) Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x02 on pci0.1.0 chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1 chip3: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.3 xl0: <3Com 3c905B Fast Etherlink XL 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x00 int a irq 19 on pci0. 17.0 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:c0:4f:6b:c5:eb xl0: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 10Mbps) chip4: rev 0x03 on pci0.19.0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: vga0: rev 0x00 int a irq 16 on pci1.0.0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 2: ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 18 on pci2.10. 0 ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: rev 0x01 int a irq 18 on pci2.14.0 ahc1: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 irq 12 on isa psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, dm a, iordy acd0: drive speed 2412 - 5512KB/sec, 128KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM unknown medium, unlocked wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, iordi s wfd0: medium type unknown (no disk) wfd0: buggy Zip drive, 64-block transfer limit set vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa snd0: sbxvi0 not found sbmidi0 not found at 0x388 APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2 Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! changing root device to da1s1a da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 80.0MB/s transfers (40.0MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8709MB (17836668 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1110C) da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 80.0MB/s transfers (40.0MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 4357MB (8925000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 555C) PCM device 1 not installed. PCM device 1 not installed. (da1:ahc0:0:6:0): tagged openings now 64 My kernel config: # $Id: GENERIC,v 1.143.2.2 1999/02/15 02:50:07 des Exp $ machine "i386" cpu "I386_CPU" cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" cpu "I686_CPU" ident SPIN maxusers 32 options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MFS_ROOT #MFS usable as root device, "MFS" req'ed options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, "NFS" req'ed options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=2000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor config kernel root on da1 options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O controller isa0 controller eisa0 controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device acd0 #IDE CD-ROM device wfd0 #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120) controller ahc0 controller scbus0 device da0 device sa0 device pass0 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 device psm0 at isa? tty irq 12 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts pseudo-device splash device sc0 at isa? tty device npx0 at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13 device xl0 controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 0 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x388 pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device sl 1 pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's options KTRACE #kernel tracing options SYSVSHM options SYSVMSG pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 2:20:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from golem.belabm.by (golem.belabm.by [194.226.122.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B5D1128C for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:19:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from e.vedischev@belabm.by) Received: from belabm.by (saint.belabm.by [194.226.122.183]) by golem.belabm.by (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA24159; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:14:58 +0300 Message-ID: <36D27E34.26EED055@belabm.by> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:08:52 +0200 From: Eugene Vedistchev Reply-To: e.vedischev@belabm.by Organization: BelABM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gahn Lu Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: CompaQ hardware] References: <19990222223919.14553.qmail@www0y.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello ! As I've said before, freebsd has driver for Compaq Integrated Netelligent 10/100 NIC, it was written by Bill Paul and integrated into freebsd releases 2.2.8=> and 3.x and later. The name of driver in kernel config is "tl". Hitachi CDROM is IDE/ATAPI compatible device and must operate under wcd driver, as any IDE CDROM drive. Eugene Gahn Lu wrote: > > Thanks. > > So FreeBSD has not driver for the Compaq Integrated Netelligent > 10/100 NIC, right? Also the proliant 800 comes with hitachi 8x > cdrom. Does FreeBSD has driver for it? > > TIA > > _Gahn > > owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > > >Hello > > > >DeskPro XL 560 - 2.2.8 only: > >AMD scsi driver which hasn't rewritten for new CAM SCSI layer in 3.x. > >driver for AMD PCnet LAN chip is unstable, though :( > > > >Proliat 800 - 2.2.8 and 3.x: > >Compaq Integrated UW SCSI = Symbios 875, driver exist, there was > >succesful reports in mailings lists; > >Compaq Integrated Netelligent 10/100 - TI ThunderLAN chip, driver xl0. > > > >Eugene > > > >PS. Sorry for bad english :) > > ____________________________________________________________________ > More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 4:17: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A221110D for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:16:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Lars.Egnell@era.ericsson.se) Received: from esealnt141.ericsson.se (esealnt141.ericsson.se [130.100.102.216]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.0/8.9.0/WIREfire-1.2) with ESMTP id NAA20612 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:16:51 +0100 (MET) Received: by esealnt141 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:16:58 +0100 Message-ID: <5451F06A5297D2118C210008C7A40BFBE03F2F@esekint104> From: "Lars Egnell (ERA)" To: "'Free BSD Hardware list'" Subject: SMC Ulta 32 EISA NIC Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:16:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone got a FreeBSD driver for this card? Lars To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 4:38:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3023A10F61 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:38:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08408; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:39:13 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990223233912.B8361@caamora.com.au> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:39:12 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: cyrix 686 type processor Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org all hello, i;ve just discovered that i cannot get pentium pro processors, looks like intel has pulled teh plug on teh ppros now that the p3's are about to hit the streets .. not being a really good replacement (teh p3) it will have to do till teh merced's come out. (this bit is my personal opinion) my question is .. are their any others out thier, like amd or cyrix, that are pentium pro compatible enought to run freebsd and stay reliable for a long time. i am thinking of getting a cyrix 686 type .. any suggestions, do's, don't's, etc would be apreciated. all the numbers and names have confused me most thouroughly. regards and thanks in advance jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 5: 3: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACB51125A for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:02:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17249; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:01:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:01:13 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: jonathan michaels Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cyrix 686 type processor In-Reply-To: <19990223233912.B8361@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, jonathan michaels wrote: > all > > hello, > > > i;ve just discovered that i cannot get pentium pro processors, looks like > intel has pulled teh plug on teh ppros now that the p3's are about to hit the > streets .. not being a really good replacement (teh p3) it will have to do > till teh merced's come out. (this bit is my personal opinion) > > my question is .. are their any others out thier, like amd or cyrix, that are > pentium pro compatible enought to run freebsd and stay reliable for a long > time. i am thinking of getting a cyrix 686 type .. any suggestions, do's, > don't's, etc would be apreciated. > > all the numbers and names have confused me most thouroughly. I haven't been following the very latest, but unless there's been some major change, it's restricted to Intel only. The reason why is the design of the APIC interrupt controller, which is used to allow the processors to communicate. There are 2 competing designs, Intel's amd the "OpenAPIC", and Intel wants a large chunk of cash to license their's, so none of the other vendors will do that. FreeBSD supports, so far, only the Intel APIC design, which is the only really having support by motherboards, so this isn't a really unreasonable decision. If you have a processor other than Intel, and it supports SMP, then it's using the OpenAPIC, and you're SOL as far as using it for FreeBSD smp. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 5:14:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B65610EA7 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:13:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08492; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:14:12 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990224001412.C8361@caamora.com.au> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:14:12 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cyrix 686 type processor Mail-Followup-To: Chuck Robey , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990223233912.B8361@caamora.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:01:13AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 08:01:13AM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, jonathan michaels wrote: > > > i;ve just discovered that i cannot get pentium pro processors, looks like > > intel has pulled teh plug on teh ppros now that the p3's are about to hit the > > streets .. not being a really good replacement (teh p3) it will have to do > > till teh merced's come out. (this bit is my personal opinion) > > > > my question is .. are their any others out thier, like amd or cyrix, that are > > pentium pro compatible enought to run freebsd and stay reliable for a long > > time. i am thinking of getting a cyrix 686 type .. any suggestions, do's, > > don't's, etc would be apreciated. > > > > all the numbers and names have confused me most thouroughly. > > I haven't been following the very latest, but unless there's been some > major change, it's restricted to Intel only. The reason why is the > design of the APIC interrupt controller, which is used to allow the > processors to communicate. There are 2 competing designs, Intel's amd > the "OpenAPIC", and Intel wants a large chunk of cash to license > their's, so none of the other vendors will do that. this is a shame .. but the computer business being teh computer business .. sorta grin, inserted here. > FreeBSD supports, so far, only the Intel APIC design, which is the only > really having support by motherboards, so this isn't a really > unreasonable decision. If you have a processor other than Intel, and > it supports SMP, then it's using the OpenAPIC, and you're SOL as far as > using it for FreeBSD smp. i here teh k7's (amd ?) are going to be intel smp compatible, but no one is talking price, yet. as regards other issues .. are teh amd;s and teh cyrix's ok to be used in single processor mode .. i mean are thier any gotchas about using them and can freebsd get around teh quirks. i'm asking this question because i've never really used non intel parts, and most of teh people i deal with are intel onlies as well, thiers isn't a wealth of non-intel experience around these parts. thaking you fro your responce, chuck. regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 8: 9:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3163E12084 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:07:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.2/8.9.2/UCB) id SAA30584; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:07:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:07:19 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: FreeBSD Hardware Subject: HELP: Western Digital SCSI drive performance Message-ID: <19990223180719.A24519@ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Hardware Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.17i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi! Using (dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=64k count=1000) I get about 4.2MB/s write rate on my WDE4360 Ultra-Wide drive. Is it OK or slow? A few people reported about 8MB/s rates. Does it depend on CPU and/or RAM? Details (/var/run/dmesg.boot) are attached. Thank you! -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmesg.boot" Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE #1: Mon Feb 22 13:14:55 EET 1999 root@relay.ucb.crimea.ua:/usr/src/sys/compile/CHYRO Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 198665808 Hz CPU: Pentium Pro (198.67-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping=9 Features=0xfbff real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 29945856 (29244K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf02bb000. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: Correcting Natoma config for non-SMP chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 fxp0: rev 0x02 int a irq 10 on pci0.10.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:55:13:22 fxp1: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.12.0 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:10:68:a0, 10Mbps ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci0.13.0 ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs fxp2: rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci0.15.0 fxp2: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:5a:51:f9, 10Mbps chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.18.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x00 on pci0.18.1 vga0: rev 0x22 on pci0.20.0 Probing for PnP devices: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 not found sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A cy0 irq 5 maddr 0xd4000 msize 8192 on isa wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordis acd0: drive speed 1378KB/sec, 256KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-DA acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked wdc1 not found at 0x170 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, unlimited logging DUMMYNET initialized (980901) -- size dn_pkt 48 Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle changing root device to da0s1a da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4157MB (8515173 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4157C) (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 64 --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 8:18:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1877711771 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17658; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:16:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:16:25 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: jonathan michaels Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cyrix 686 type processor In-Reply-To: <19990224001412.C8361@caamora.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, jonathan michaels wrote: > > FreeBSD supports, so far, only the Intel APIC design, which is the only > > really having support by motherboards, so this isn't a really > > unreasonable decision. If you have a processor other than Intel, and > > it supports SMP, then it's using the OpenAPIC, and you're SOL as far as > > using it for FreeBSD smp. > > i here teh k7's (amd ?) are going to be intel smp compatible, but no one is > talking price, yet. > > as regards other issues .. are teh amd;s and teh cyrix's ok to be used in > single processor mode .. i mean are thier any gotchas about using them and can > freebsd get around teh quirks. > > i'm asking this question because i've never really used non intel parts, and > most of teh people i deal with are intel onlies as well, thiers isn't a wealth > of non-intel experience around these parts. The only problems I've heard of are for SMP. For single processor boards, the problems are entirely different. There aren't any absolute gotchas, but obviously, performance differs. They are not simple commodity items. If you're worried about performance, read Tom's Hardware page (pointers from the freebsd home page). If you're just trying to save money, nearly all of them work to *some* degree. If you're looking for a simple performance answer here, sorry, there isn't one. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 9:37:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C7E11295 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA25022; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:37:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 12:37:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: "Lars Egnell (ERA)" Cc: "'Free BSD Hardware list'" Subject: Re: SMC Ulta 32 EISA NIC In-Reply-To: <5451F06A5297D2118C210008C7A40BFBE03F2F@esekint104> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Lars Egnell (ERA) wrote: > Has anyone got a FreeBSD driver for this card? I know there is no EISA specific code for the detection of that card but it may be possible to fake up an ISA device entry that will find the card. device ed0 at isa? port 0x2000 net irq 10 vector edintr If the device is in EISA slot 2, IRQ 10. Failing that you could always add the probe/attach code for it. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | 78 280Z | 75 164E | 84 245DL | FreeBSD/NetBSD/Sprite/VMS | | winter@jurai.net | This Space For Rent | ix86,sparc,m68k,pmax,vax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | Are you k-rad elite enough for my webpage? | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 10:10:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from coal.sentex.ca (coal.sentex.ca [209.112.4.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6157810FC4; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from leaverite (leaverite.sentex.ca [209.112.4.36]) by coal.sentex.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA00604; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:10:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990223131416.048bfd70@staff.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@staff.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:14:16 -0500 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Intel PILA 8472 (dual port fxp card ?) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know if FreeBSD supports this card ? Its a Etherexpress Pro card with two NICs on it essentially. http://www.intel.com/network/products/pro100dport.htm ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel 01.519.651.3400 Network Administrator, noc@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 11: 2:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BFC1170A for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:02:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA09198 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:02:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:02:23 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Mylex DAC960-S(U/X)I Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I see wcarchive uses the DAC960-SXI controller, can anyone comment on how well-behaved it's been? Also does anyone see what the differences are between the SUI and the SXI models? Looking at both datasheets, I see no difference other than the SUI being rated for 24MB/s transfers and the SXI at 30MB/s. Do they have the same number of channels? This looks like a nicer solution than CMD's product, and seems to be in the same ballpark. It also supports growing partitions, which is something that CMD also does not do. With the CMD I'm currently seeing some problems (OS-independent my A**), is the Mylex "smooth sailing" under FBSD? Can you grab status info easily from it's serial port? The menu system on the CMD makes it difficult to parse... Any input is appreciated. Thanks, Charles --- Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 16:34:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from www.advantinc.com (www.advantinc.com [209.66.97.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E5B1116B for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lance@advantinc.com) Received: from w95.cupertino.k12.ca.us (205-174-255-065.cupertino.k12.ca.us [205.174.255.65]) by www.advantinc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07361 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:37:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990223163334.00692d68@advantinc.com> X-Sender: lance@advantinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:33:35 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Lance Costanzo Subject: Intel vs. 3com vs DEC chip network cards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any reliability or performance issues on using one type over the other? I'm thinking of using a pair of 3com 3c905B's (10/100 PCI) for a firewall, since I've had good luck with the 509B's (10mbit ISA) in the past. Lance. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 17: 9: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F4511410 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:08:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) id SAA36167; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:08:52 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199902240108.SAA36167@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Intel vs. 3com vs DEC chip network cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990223163334.00692d68@advantinc.com> from Lance Costanzo at "Feb 23, 1999 4:33:35 pm" To: lance@advantinc.com (Lance Costanzo) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:08:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lance Costanzo wrote... > Are there any reliability or performance issues on using one type over the > other? > I'm thinking of using a pair of 3com 3c905B's (10/100 PCI) for a firewall, > since I've had good luck with the 509B's (10mbit ISA) in the past. > Lance. I would suggest getting Intel Pro/100+ cards. The fxp driver is one of the most stable and well tested ethernet drivers in the tree. The cards are also very fast. And yes, I practice what I preach. Most of the FreeBSD machines at my place of employment use Intel Pro/100B's (82557) or Intel Pro/100+'s (82558). Both work great. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 17:25:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B4A115B7; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02207; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:20:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902240120.RAA02207@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, dg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel PILA 8472 (dual port fxp card ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:14:16 EST." <3.0.5.32.19990223131416.048bfd70@staff.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:20:30 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm informed it's not working at this time; you should talk to David Greenman (copied) about it to be sure. > Does anyone know if FreeBSD supports this card ? Its a Etherexpress Pro > card with two NICs on it essentially. > > http://www.intel.com/network/products/pro100dport.htm > > ---Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mike Tancsa, tel 01.519.651.3400 > Network Administrator, noc@sentex.net > Sentex Communications www.sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 23 17:53:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sand2.sentex.ca (sand2.sentex.ca [209.167.248.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67D711C63; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:53:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from gravel (ospf-wat.sentex.net [209.167.248.81]) by sand2.sentex.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA14386; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:52:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.1.19990223205726.039c9170@granite.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtancsa@granite.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:00:14 -0500 To: Mike Smith From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Intel PILA 8472 (dual port fxp card ?) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, dg@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199902240120.RAA02207@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:20 PM 2/23/99 , Mike Smith wrote: > >I'm informed it's not working at this time; you should talk to David >Greenman (copied) about it to be sure. Hmmm.. A shame. Are their any alternatives ? I am in need of building an ethernet router and was hoping a few dual ported Fast-E cards would help me get around some hardware limitiations. Would not 2 such a cards theoretically and practically perform better than 4 individual cards ? ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa, Network Admin * mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications Corp, * http://www.sentex.net/mike Cambridge, Ontario * 01.519.651.3400 Canada * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 24 13:26:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9C2111E9 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:19:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.2/8.9.2/UCB) id PAA21421; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:09:31 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:09:30 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: "Kenneth D. Merry" , allenc@verinet.com, gallatin@cs.duke.edu Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Tagged queueing and write cache on WDE SCSI drives Message-ID: <19990224150930.A6284@ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: "Kenneth D. Merry" , allenc@verinet.com, gallatin@cs.duke.edu, hardware@freebsd.org References: <19990223182845.A32766@ucb.crimea.ua> <199902240617.XAA37750@panzer.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.17i In-Reply-To: <199902240617.XAA37750@panzer.plutotech.com>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:17:59PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I have tested all four combinations for Tagged Queueing (TQ) and Write Cache option (WC). The following hardware was used: ahc0: rev 0x00 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device The following tests were run (5 times for each combination) in single user mode: dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=64k count=1000 Here's my results (in MB/s): WC TQ MB/s ======= ======= ==== OFF OFF 3.9 OFF ON 4.2 ON OFF 7.9 ON ON 4.2 The best performance is achieved with WC=ON and TQ=OFF. Comments? More tests? Is this WD-specific? What are the pros and cons of enabling write cache? P.S. `bonnie' gives nearly the same results. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 24 13:26:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D16811389 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:20:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10144; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:14:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990224141425.B9876@caamora.com.au> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:14:25 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cyrix 686 type processor Mail-Followup-To: Chuck Robey , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990224001412.C8361@caamora.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:16:25AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:16:25AM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, jonathan michaels wrote: > > > > FreeBSD supports, so far, only the Intel APIC design, which is the only > > > really having support by motherboards, so this isn't a really > > > unreasonable decision. If you have a processor other than Intel, and > > > it supports SMP, then it's using the OpenAPIC, and you're SOL as far as > > > using it for FreeBSD smp. > > > > i here teh k7's (amd ?) are going to be intel smp compatible, but no one is > > talking price, yet. > > > > as regards other issues .. are teh amd;s and teh cyrix's ok to be used in > > single processor mode .. i mean are thier any gotchas about using them and can > > freebsd get around teh quirks. > > > > i'm asking this question because i've never really used non intel parts, and > > most of teh people i deal with are intel onlies as well, thiers isn't a wealth > > of non-intel experience around these parts. > > The only problems I've heard of are for SMP. For single processor smp, is something i'm interested in but not for the 'production' mail server and webpage hosting machine. > boards, the problems are entirely different. There aren't any absolute > gotchas, but obviously, performance differs. They are not simple i have a fairly simple philosophy to performance bottle necks, divide teh task and add another processor to the backplane, or add anther machine to the ethernet segment .. not an ideal solution from teh purists perspective, but its kept me going for nearly 15 years .. so far .. knock, knock, head, hollow wood sounds .. grin. > commodity items. If you're worried about performance, read Tom's > Hardware page (pointers from the freebsd home page). If you're just i once went thier and found it a mess .. my apologies to teh author, but, i have poor eyes (neurological damage), i use lynx browser and teh site is not specifically desigend to be 'read' by a text browser, this may have change in teh last 6 moths or so .. this was my experience, of teh site. > trying to save money, nearly all of them work to *some* degree. are teh only real 'problems' in teh maths co-processor code, i've looked at teh lint'd version of kernel sources and see lots of stuff about the maths co-processor. > > If you're looking for a simple performance answer here, sorry, there > isn't one. performance has little if anyting to do with my line of reasoning, reliability, repeatable results and stability are far more important, and these days cost is becoming a significant criteria .. now that intel has seeminly junked teh pentium pro, and replaced it with some not as good technology. ppro was too expensive to produce in 'quantity' and teh production line was 'fussy' anout thngs like quality control and quality of input materials, etc etc etc ... and so on what i am looking for is teh pentium pro 'performance edge', but not the intel pentium p3 price tag. ooops .. sorry i may have gotten a little carried away. anyway thank you fro yor reply regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 24 13:38: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7499F11EB2 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:36:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19858; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id KAA26637; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:16:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:16:31 -0500 (EST) To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , allenc@verinet.com, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tagged queueing and write cache on WDE SCSI drives In-Reply-To: <19990224150930.A6284@ucb.crimea.ua> References: <19990223182845.A32766@ucb.crimea.ua> <199902240617.XAA37750@panzer.plutotech.com> <19990224150930.A6284@ucb.crimea.ua> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14036.2148.617961.183536@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ruslan Ermilov writes: > The best performance is achieved with WC=ON and TQ=OFF. > > Comments? More tests? > > Is this WD-specific? We have a large number of WD drives which came in donated Intel PII's For all these drives, TQ off, WC on gives the best results. For other vendor's drives (various models of modern Seagate barricuda & cheetah drives), TQ on, WC on gives the best results. Given any choice in the matter, I'd never willingly purchase a WD scsi drive. Even most modern UDMA IDE drives perform far better. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 24 17:17: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.matrixinet.com (alpha.matrixinet.com [205.254.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D8514C9A; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eriku@silcom.com) Received: from beach.silcom.com (beach.silcom.com [199.201.128.19]) by alpha.matrixinet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18594; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from silcom.com (root@pm11-45.sba1.avtel.net [207.71.237.245]) by beach.silcom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA08679; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:16:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36D433E2.C9BEC9A1@silcom.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:16:18 +0000 From: Erik Umenofer Reply-To: eriku@silcom.com Organization: firebelly.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cracauer@cons.org Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Linux Glide References: <36CF5A9F.35C31282@silcom.com> <19990224164830.A45786@cons.org> <36D41AB6.41097F0E@silcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Erik Umenofer wrote: > Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > > > Install ports/emuators/linux_glide, which installs voodoo1 support and > > exchange libglide2x.so with that from the glide-2.53 rpm from > > http://glide.xxedgexx.com/3DfxRPMS.html to get voodoo2 support. > > > > The glide suff isn't glib2 and if it was, you'd just had to install > > new ports/emulators/linux_libs > > > > Martin > > -- > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% > > Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ > > BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ >> Hi again. THe linux_glide port is out of date as of today and doesnt' work > >> anymore. Can anyone point me in the right direction to get my Voodoo2 > >> working? I found some stuff on ftp://ftp.linuxgames.com/3dfx/ but I htink >> i >> need more then those drivers. >> If i get those linux drivers, can theyu work with my freebsd 3.0 system? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 24 17:26: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC3114C32 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40397>; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:14:37 +1100 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:25:32 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Tagged queueing and write cache on WDE SCSI drives To: ru@ucb.crimea.ua Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Feb25.121437est.40397@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ruslan Ermilov wrote: >I have tested all four combinations for Tagged Queueing (TQ) and >Write Cache option (WC). Tagged Queueing is only relevant where a device has a number of outstanding I/O requests. Since your test is single-threaded, it doesn't test TQ. For a realistic TQ test, you need to have a substantial number of processes performing I/O - unfortunately, I don't know of any suitable benchmark. The `seeker' part of bonnie would be the closest. An alternative would be to run a lot of dd's (maybe 20) in parallel. >WC TQ MB/s >======= ======= ==== >OFF OFF 3.9 >OFF ON 4.2 >ON OFF 7.9 >ON ON 4.2 I would expect that enabling WC would improve write speed (which is what dd is testing). I'm surprised by the impact of TQ: Since this is a single-threaded test, it should have negligible impact. It almost looks like something is wrong with the TQ handling in the driver, controller or drive. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 24 17:42:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7D814C91 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:42:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) id SAA42508; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:41:12 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199902250141.SAA42508@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Tagged queueing and write cache on WDE SCSI drives In-Reply-To: <99Feb25.121437est.40397@border.alcanet.com.au> from Peter Jeremy at "Feb 25, 1999 12:25:32 pm" To: peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au (Peter Jeremy) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:41:12 -0700 (MST) Cc: ru@ucb.crimea.ua, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Jeremy wrote... > Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > >I have tested all four combinations for Tagged Queueing (TQ) and > >Write Cache option (WC). > > Tagged Queueing is only relevant where a device has a number of > outstanding I/O requests. Since your test is single-threaded, > it doesn't test TQ. It may be single threaded, but since it goes through the filesystem, there can be multiple outstanding I/O requests. For instance: I just did the following test: # dd if=/dev/zero of=foo.tmp bs=64k count=8000 And then, while it was going: # ./camcontrol tags -v (pass0:ahc0:0:1:0): dev_openings 1 (pass0:ahc0:0:1:0): dev_active 62 (pass0:ahc0:0:1:0): devq_openings 0 (pass0:ahc0:0:1:0): devq_queued 0 (pass0:ahc0:0:1:0): mintags 2 (pass0:ahc0:0:1:0): maxtags 255 There was nothing else touching that drive at the time. The number of active commands is 62, which is pretty good. The disk in question is: da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 2049MB (4197405 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C) It's on a 7880. > For a realistic TQ test, you need to have a substantial number > of processes performing I/O - unfortunately, I don't know of > any suitable benchmark. The `seeker' part of bonnie would be > the closest. An alternative would be to run a lot of dd's > (maybe 20) in parallel. > > >WC TQ MB/s > >======= ======= ==== > >OFF OFF 3.9 > >OFF ON 4.2 > >ON OFF 7.9 > >ON ON 4.2 > > I would expect that enabling WC would improve write speed (which is > what dd is testing). I'm surprised by the impact of TQ: Since this is > a single-threaded test, it should have negligible impact. It almost > looks like something is wrong with the TQ handling in the driver, > controller or drive. I think the problem is the way the Western Digital drives handle tagged queueing. From what Ruslan has said, and from what Andrew Gallatin has said, I think the Western Digital drives probably perform best with tagged queueing turned off, and write caching turned on. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 24 18:36:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ED414BF3 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:36:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40323>; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:24:52 +1100 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:35:45 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Tagged queueing and write cache on WDE SCSI drives To: ken@plutotech.com Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, ru@ucb.crimea.ua Message-Id: <99Feb25.132452est.40323@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: >It may be single threaded, but since it goes through the filesystem, there >can be multiple outstanding I/O requests. That makes sense - the filesystem is doing write-behind so there can be lots of outstanding I/O requests. That said, since it is a sequential write, there isn't much scope for command re-ordering (the inode and bitmaps will be being updated, but fairly infrequently) - which is the whole point of tagged queueing. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 1:39: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from romeo.cnmnetwork.com (romeo.cnmnetwork.com [209.79.28.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C99914C30 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:39:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com) Received: (qmail 15946 invoked from network); 25 Feb 1999 01:38:44 -0800 Received: from 209-79-252-143.max-tnt-04.wla.ca.us.cnmnetwork.com (HELO develop1) (209.79.252.143) by romeo.cnmnetwork.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 1999 01:38:44 -0800 From: "Rudy Gireyev" To: jonathan michaels Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:48:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: cyrix 686 type processor Reply-To: rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19990224141425.B9876@caamora.com.au> References: ; from Chuck Robey on Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:16:25AM -0500 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990225093908.4C99914C30@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are looking for PPro replacement wouldn't that be the Xeon family? Rudy Date sent: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:14:25 +1100 From: jonathan michaels To: Chuck Robey Copies to: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cyrix 686 type processor > On Tue, Feb 23, 1999 at 11:16:25AM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Feb 1999, jonathan michaels wrote: > > > > > > FreeBSD supports, so far, only the Intel APIC design, which is the only > > > > really having support by motherboards, so this isn't a really > > > > unreasonable decision. If you have a processor other than Intel, and > > > > it supports SMP, then it's using the OpenAPIC, and you're SOL as far as > > > > using it for FreeBSD smp. > > > > > > i here teh k7's (amd ?) are going to be intel smp compatible, but no one is > > > talking price, yet. > > > > > > as regards other issues .. are teh amd;s and teh cyrix's ok to be used in > > > single processor mode .. i mean are thier any gotchas about using them and can > > > freebsd get around teh quirks. > > > > > > i'm asking this question because i've never really used non intel parts, and > > > most of teh people i deal with are intel onlies as well, thiers isn't a wealth > > > of non-intel experience around these parts. > > > > The only problems I've heard of are for SMP. For single processor > > smp, is something i'm interested in but not for the 'production' mail server > and webpage hosting machine. > > > boards, the problems are entirely different. There aren't any absolute > > gotchas, but obviously, performance differs. They are not simple > > i have a fairly simple philosophy to performance bottle necks, divide teh task > and add another processor to the backplane, or add anther machine to the > ethernet segment .. not an ideal solution from teh purists perspective, but > its kept me going for nearly 15 years .. so far .. knock, knock, head, hollow > wood sounds .. grin. > > > commodity items. If you're worried about performance, read Tom's > > Hardware page (pointers from the freebsd home page). If you're just > > i once went thier and found it a mess .. my apologies to teh author, but, i > have poor eyes (neurological damage), i use lynx browser and teh site is not > specifically desigend to be 'read' by a text browser, this may have change in > teh last 6 moths or so .. this was my experience, of teh site. > > > trying to save money, nearly all of them work to *some* degree. > > are teh only real 'problems' in teh maths co-processor code, i've looked at > teh lint'd version of kernel sources and see lots of stuff about the maths > co-processor. > > > > > If you're looking for a simple performance answer here, sorry, there > > isn't one. > > performance has little if anyting to do with my line of reasoning, > reliability, repeatable results and stability are far more important, and > these days cost is becoming a significant criteria .. now that intel has > seeminly junked teh pentium pro, and replaced it with some not as good > technology. ppro was too expensive to produce in 'quantity' and teh production > line was 'fussy' anout thngs like quality control and quality of input > materials, etc etc etc ... and so on > > what i am looking for is teh pentium pro 'performance edge', but not the intel > pentium p3 price tag. > > > ooops .. sorry i may have gotten a little carried away. > > anyway thank you fro yor reply > > regards > > jonathan > > -- > =============================================================================== > Jonathan Michaels > PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia > =========================================================== > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 9:57:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from geek.grf.ov.com (geek.grf.ov.com [192.251.86.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAF314E4A for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:57:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from pebbles (pebbles.cam.veritas.com [166.98.49.16]) by geek.grf.ov.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA17108 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:56:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: ksmm@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:38:58 -0500 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Booting from large EIDE drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently purchased an 8.4 GB IBM EIDE hard drive. I wanted to install OS/2, Linux, and FreeBSD on it, but I can't find a way to boot from the partitions at the end of the drive because of the geometry of it. I've tried setting the drive up for LBA in the BIOS, I've tried changing the drive's geometry using disk utilities (like fdisk), I've even tried different boot utilities (IBM's Boot Manager, System Commander, etc.) all to no avail. __________________________ Have I encountered a limitation of EIDE hard drives larger than 8.4 GB? (My understanding is that they all use the same geometry beyond that point. Perhaps that cannot be changed?) Is it possibly a deficiency of the IBM drives or my system's BIOS that prevents it from being able to do this? For instance, would a Maxtor or Quantum or WD EIDE drive have the same problems? (I'm also under the impression that some of the logic for this sector translation resides within the hard drive itself.) Am I doing something wrong? Missing something? If I bought a big (i.e., >9 GB) SCSI drive, would I have these same problems? ___________________________ Many thanks in advance for any help...especially if it saves me money. ;-) K.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 10:34: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles204.castles.com [208.214.165.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EB714CC7; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01062; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:28:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902251828.KAA01062@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Mike Smith , hardware@freebsd.org, dg@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel PILA 8472 (dual port fxp card ?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:00:14 EST." <4.1.19990223205726.039c9170@granite.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:28:37 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 08:20 PM 2/23/99 , Mike Smith wrote: > > > >I'm informed it's not working at this time; you should talk to David > >Greenman (copied) about it to be sure. > > Hmmm.. A shame. Are their any alternatives ? I am in need of building an > ethernet router and was hoping a few dual ported Fast-E cards would help me > get around some hardware limitiations. Would not 2 such a cards > theoretically and practically perform better than 4 individual cards ? Performance is likely to be marginally worse with bridged cards, where "marginally" is on the order of a few percent. You should look at the Cogent (now Adaptec) 4-port cards, which are supported by the 'de' driver, and perhaps also the Phobos 4-port cards (which come with FreeBSD drivers for 2.2 systems) if they're available yet. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 11:42:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD53814E25 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:42:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mc4pc@goodnet.com) Received: from p200mmxntwks (hdsl85.phnx.uswest.net [216.160.197.85]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16084 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:41:29 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: From: "Max Calvo" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:41:39 -0700 Message-ID: <002701be60f6$dcc6ccf0$55c5a0d8@p200mmxntwks.maxcalvo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990223163334.00692d68@advantinc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone knows if someone is running FreeBSD on DAC960 RAID controllers? Any response will be greatly appreciated -Max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 12: 7:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (parker-T1-2-gw.sf3d.best.net [209.157.165.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9834C14F50; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:07:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA07978; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:14:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199902252114.NAA07978@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: mike@sentex.net, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: Intel PILA 8472 (dual port fxp card ?) Cc: dg@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199902251828.KAA01062@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Re: multiport Ethernet cards, Mike mentions Adaptec and Phobos.] And, for completeness' sake, Znyx. We're happily using the Znyx quad cards. You don't do this for performance. You do it to be able to get a bunch of Ethernet interfaces into one box, without using too many PCI slots. Jim Shankland NLynx Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 12:18:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from coal.sentex.ca (coal.sentex.ca [209.112.4.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8E014E0D for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:18:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from leaverite (leaverite.sentex.ca [209.112.4.36]) by coal.sentex.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA08383; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:16:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990225152124.00a02330@staff.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@staff.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:21:24 -0500 To: Jim Shankland , mike@smith.net.au From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Intel PILA 8472 (dual port fxp card ?) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199902252114.NAA07978@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> References: <199902251828.KAA01062@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:14 PM 2/25/99 -0800, Jim Shankland wrote: >[Re: multiport Ethernet cards, Mike mentions Adaptec and Phobos.] > >And, for completeness' sake, Znyx. We're happily using the Znyx quad >cards. > >You don't do this for performance. You do it to be able to get >a bunch of Ethernet interfaces into one box, without using too >many PCI slots. Thanks for the additional feedback. In terms of performance, I guess I was thinking about shared DMA channels and IRQs. The specs would be that the box would need to be able to push 20Mbits through it running gated. I was hoping to use the Intel Drivers, I have had great success using individual fxp cards. While on the topic of routing, someone mentioned that fiddling with the HZ value in my kernel can increase router performance. Is there any truth to this? Thanks again for the feedback, it is much appriciated. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel 01.519.651.3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 12:41:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E7C514E06 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmondrow@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990225204119.28270.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [131.107.3.75] by send202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:41:19 PST Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:41:19 -0800 (PST) From: Darryl Mondrow Subject: Fwd: Promise Ultra 33 IDE controller card To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---Darryl Mondrow wrote: > > ...looks like a SCSI controller to both MS Windows and FreeBSD. Has > anyone been able to use it with FreeBSD? > > Thx, > Darryl > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 13:53:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (parker-T1-2-gw.sf3d.best.net [209.157.165.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A903B14D88 for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:53:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA08186; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:01:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:01:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199902252301.PAA08186@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: mike@sentex.net Subject: Re: Intel PILA 8472 (dual port fxp card ?) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990225152124.00a02330@staff.sentex.ca> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The specs would be that the box would need to be able to push 20Mbits > through it running gated. 20 Mb/s should be no problem. Even with the de driver, I'd think you could do about 4 times that. > I was hoping to use the Intel Drivers, I have had great success using > individual fxp cards. Yes, they're nice. Apparently, when DEC first came out with the 21X40 chips, they provided a reference design for a quad card. So all the quad cards out there are based on the DEC chips. (At least I'm told that's why it's so.) Jim Shankland NLynx Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 17:53:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles204.castles.com [208.214.165.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A2F14E42; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:53:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03524; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:47:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902260147.RAA03524@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: dg@root.com Cc: Mike Smith , John Smith , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: intel ether express pro In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:10:40 PST." <199902181310.FAA25405@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:47:56 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> > I have a machine (IBM IntelliStation) and it has built in network > >> >card (eepro10/100). > >> > > >> > The kernel locks up, whenever I try to ifconfig the device. We > >> >have a autodetecting hub that can switch between 10/100. > >> > >> If that is the PCI version, then try putting it in a different PCI slot. > > > >"Built in" typically means "on the motherboard". > > I obviously missed that. It would be interesting to install a PCI Pro/100+ > and see if the behavior changes. I tried this with one of the IBM systems; the card in that case was probed but never sent/received any traffic (and did not kill the system). A 3c905 in the same slot worked fine. > That would lead me to think that the BIOS > is doing something funky to it. I wonder if doing a "FXP_PORT_SOFTWARE_RESET" > rather than, or in addition to, the "FXP_PORT_SELECTIVE_RESET" would effect > the problem? It's possible that these systems are ones with DHCP network boot support, which may be leaving the chips in non-default states. I'll see if I can remember your suggestion next time someone complains; thanks. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 25 18:15: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855C214DFA for ; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drew@pluto.plutotech.com) Received: (from drew@localhost) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA12214; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:14:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drew) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:14:49 -0700 (MST) From: Drew Eckhardt Message-Id: <199902260214.TAA12214@pluto.plutotech.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel vs. 3com vs DEC chip network cards X-Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990223163334.00692d68@advantinc.com> Organization: Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <3.0.32.19990223163334.00692d68@advantinc.com> you write: >Are there any reliability or performance issues on using one type over the >other? Some DEC chip + PHY combinations bogusly detect collisions when run in full-duplex 100baseT mode. The driver drops these packets on the floor, the TCP code gets no ACK, and eventually things are retransmitted resulting in "full duplex (autodetected or manually specified)" operation which has best-case performance that's two orders of magnitude worse than "half duplex". The Intel boards work well (read as both robust and fast), don't cost much (I paid $45 a pop for my pair of 10/100 boards without wake-on-lan), and get my vote. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 26 1:41:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from leaf.lumiere.net (leaf.lumiere.net [207.218.152.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1BE14F3A for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:41:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@leaf.lumiere.net) Received: (from j@localhost) by leaf.lumiere.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) id BAA66887; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:41:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 01:41:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jesse To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: fails to recognize any PCI cards (PicMG) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have three servers with PicMG motherboards that I'm trying to convert from Windows NT to FreeBSD. I don't have much experience with this type of setup (passive backplanes), so you'll have to excuse me if I'm missing something obvious. I've tried installing FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE and 3.1-RELEASE on these servers, however they fail to recognize any PCI cards (Adaptec 2940UWs, Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100 Bs). Just to see what would happen, I tried install Redhat 5.2 on one of the servers. It installed fine. Is there any way to get FreeBSD working on this motherboard? Some special patch or kernel build? Any help would be appreciated. PicMG Model: PCI-14S Ver: B Thanks in advance, --- Jesse http://www.lumiere.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message