From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 12:28:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.iwaynet.net (smtp.iwaynet.net [198.30.29.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A9014D44; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@lojic.com) Received: from daytona (overkill.Progressive-Systems.Com [209.41.220.250]) by smtp.iwaynet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA01385; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:27:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990323151435.0153a550@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Sender: adkins@mailbox.iwaynet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:27:39 -0500 To: Brett Glass , Jonathan Lemon , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brian Adkins Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.32.19990323125147.00a86a80@localhost> References: <199903231936.NAA10667@free.pcs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:55 PM 3/23/99 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: >How do you market FreeBSD to developers? Give them what developers want: >a stable platform, good development tools, and access to as many users as >possible through a SINGLE API and ABI. > >A FreeBSD emulator, even more so than the Java Virtual Machine (an attempt >to do the same thing but at a higher level), does this. > >--Brett Well, I have to vehemently disagree here. A good Java Virtual Machine will give access to far more users than a FreeBSD emulator for Linux - it's the ultimate emulator. Instead of just possibly encouraging ISV's to target FreeBSD for the native app because they can run on Linux via the emulator, we could attract thousands of ISV's who currently have apps running on dozens of OS's to offer a FreeBSD version and at the same time attract users who prefer FreeBSD over Solaris or Windows NT. I would personally like to get to the point where folks who want Java and a free OS go to FreeBSD *first*. Other commercial OS companies are seriously lacking here, I think SCO only has a 1.1.3 JDK, whereas, FreeBSD already has a 1.1.7. Many ISV's, like me, have chosen the Java platform to avoid being at the mercy of OS marketshare dynamics in addition to the quality of the Java language. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 12:38:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C98314BEE; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:38:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07317; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:38:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA15495; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:38:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:38:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199903232038.NAA15495@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Adkins Cc: Brett Glass , Jonathan Lemon , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990323151435.0153a550@mailbox.iwaynet.net> References: <199903231936.NAA10667@free.pcs> <4.2.0.32.19990323125147.00a86a80@localhost> <4.1.19990323151435.0153a550@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I would personally like to get to the point where folks who want Java and a > free OS go to FreeBSD *first*. While I think this is a laudable goal, the lack of a solid JIT means that FreeBSD will lack behind the other OS's (notably the M$ version) in performance. > Other commercial OS companies are seriously > lacking here, I think SCO only has a 1.1.3 JDK, whereas, FreeBSD already > has a 1.1.7. And soon to have an ELF version. I've spent the last few days working on it, and I hope to have the ELF version of JDK1 out by next week sometime. Then, it's onto JDK2. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 12:54:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.iwaynet.net (smtp.iwaynet.net [198.30.29.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFE114C90; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:54:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@lojic.com) Received: from daytona (overkill.Progressive-Systems.Com [209.41.220.250]) by smtp.iwaynet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA02797; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:53:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990323154644.0153a1f0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Sender: adkins@mailbox.iwaynet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:53:59 -0500 To: Nate Williams From: Brian Adkins Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903232038.NAA15495@mt.sri.com> References: <4.1.19990323151435.0153a550@mailbox.iwaynet.net> <199903231936.NAA10667@free.pcs> <4.2.0.32.19990323125147.00a86a80@localhost> <4.1.19990323151435.0153a550@mailbox.iwaynet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:38 PM 3/23/99 -0700, Nate Williams wrote: >> I would personally like to get to the point where folks who want Java and a >> free OS go to FreeBSD *first*. > >While I think this is a laudable goal, the lack of a solid JIT means >that FreeBSD will lack behind the other OS's (notably the M$ version) in >performance. So what do we have to do to get a solid JIT? Is it a matter of developer time, or are there other issues involved? If we could compete with Microsoft's and Sun's Java performance/reliability, I would probably become the #1 FreeBSD evangelist in a short time :) I mean, I love it as it is, but if it had a Java as least as good as Windows NT, I'd be ecstatic! >> Other commercial OS companies are seriously >> lacking here, I think SCO only has a 1.1.3 JDK, whereas, FreeBSD already >> has a 1.1.7. > >And soon to have an ELF version. I've spent the last few days working >on it, and I hope to have the ELF version of JDK1 out by next week >sometime. > >Then, it's onto JDK2. :) Doesn't the Java 2 platform include Symantec's JIT? Will we get that with the port? > >Nate thanks dude! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 13: 8:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B70014C56; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:08:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA24884; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:08:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:08:21 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: Brian Adkins Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990323154644.0153a1f0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Brian Adkins wrote: # So what do we have to do to get a solid JIT? Is it a matter of developer # time, or are there other issues involved? If we could compete with # Microsoft's and Sun's Java performance/reliability, I would probably become # the #1 FreeBSD evangelist in a short time :) I mean, I love it as it is, # but if it had a Java as least as good as Windows NT, I'd be ecstatic! I've been playing with TYA. It is pretty good from what I can tell from using it, but it is GPL'd so I haven't dug into the code and tried to fix the few problems that I've found so far. # Doesn't the Java 2 platform include Symantec's JIT? Will we get that with # the port? Yes the Sun implementation has it (and Blackdown's too I think) but the source is not publically available, so our port won't come with it. :( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 13:19:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.iwaynet.net (smtp.iwaynet.net [198.30.29.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFDD14D65 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:19:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@lojic.com) Received: from daytona (overkill.Progressive-Systems.Com [209.41.220.250]) by smtp.iwaynet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA04338; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:18:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990323161644.0103a7a0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Sender: adkins@mailbox.iwaynet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:18:37 -0500 To: Steve Price From: Brian Adkins Subject: FreeBSD Java (was Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux ) Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19990323154644.0153a1f0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:08 PM 3/23/99 -0600, Steve Price wrote: >On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Brian Adkins wrote: > ># So what do we have to do to get a solid JIT? Is it a matter of developer ># time, or are there other issues involved? If we could compete with ># Microsoft's and Sun's Java performance/reliability, I would probably become ># the #1 FreeBSD evangelist in a short time :) I mean, I love it as it is, ># but if it had a Java as least as good as Windows NT, I'd be ecstatic! > >I've been playing with TYA. It is pretty good from what I can >tell from using it, but it is GPL'd so I haven't dug into the >code and tried to fix the few problems that I've found so far. Have you tried Kaffe? If so, what do you think? I've looked at their web site but for the life of me I can't see what version of the JDK they support. ># Doesn't the Java 2 platform include Symantec's JIT? Will we get that with ># the port? > >Yes the Sun implementation has it (and Blackdown's too I think) >but the source is not publically available, so our port won't >come with it. :( Well how did Blackdown get it, and more importantly, how do we get it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 13:27:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (unknown [208.149.16.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DD414E58 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:27:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA09538; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:26:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from alk) From: Anthony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:26:58 -0600 (CST) X-Face: \h9Jg:Cuivl4S*UP-)gO.6O=T]]@ncM*tn4zG);)lk#4|lqEx=*talx?.Gk,dMQU2)ptPC17cpBzm(l'M|H8BUF1&]dDCxZ.c~Wy6-j,^V1E(NtX$FpkkdnJixsJHE95JlhO 5\M3jh'YiO7KPCn0~W`Ro44_TB@&JuuqRqgPL'0/{):7rU-%.*@/>q?1&Ed Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: brian@lojic.com Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Java (was Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux ) References: <4.1.19990323154644.0153a1f0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> <4.1.19990323161644.0103a7a0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14072.1470.533311.176549@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Brian Adkins on Tue, 23 March: : Have you tried Kaffe? If so, what do you think? Kaffe is very nice from the cvs tree right now, but none of the ftp'able snapshots are worth wrestling with. The JIT is poor, as is the GC. : I've looked at their web : site but for the life of me I can't see what version of the JDK they support. They don't. The development target is always the current JDK, but they never quite get there before a new JDK comes out. : >Yes the Sun implementation has it (and Blackdown's too I think) : >but the source is not publically available, so our port won't : >come with it. :( : : Well how did Blackdown get it, and more importantly, how do we get it? I think you could probably talk one of the GPL JIT authors into an LGPL or even BSD release. I'd rather see an open-source solution developed, instead of spending blood on dead-end code. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 13:27:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B72615459 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:27:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA04463; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:27:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:27:00 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: Brian Adkins Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Java (was Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux ) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990323161644.0103a7a0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Brian Adkins wrote: # Have you tried Kaffe? If so, what do you think? I've looked at their web # site but for the life of me I can't see what version of the JDK they support. Only briefly, so I don't have anything good or bad to say about it. Others that have will undoubtly comment on it. # >Yes the Sun implementation has it (and Blackdown's too I think) # >but the source is not publically available, so our port won't # >come with it. :( # # Well how did Blackdown get it, and more importantly, how do we get it? I don't know for sure that they have the sources, but I believe they got as part of some early release deal they made with Sun. I also hear via the grapevine that a couple of Sun people have been assigned to help them finish the port. I haven't been able to determine the validity of these statements, but I find it pretty interesting if they do pan out. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 13:57:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED5A1549C; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:56:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07963; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:56:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA15937; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:56:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:56:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199903232156.OAA15937@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Adkins Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990323154644.0153a1f0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> References: <4.1.19990323151435.0153a550@mailbox.iwaynet.net> <199903231936.NAA10667@free.pcs> <4.2.0.32.19990323125147.00a86a80@localhost> <199903232038.NAA15495@mt.sri.com> <4.1.19990323154644.0153a1f0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> I would personally like to get to the point where folks who want Java and a > >> free OS go to FreeBSD *first*. > > > >While I think this is a laudable goal, the lack of a solid JIT means > >that FreeBSD will lack behind the other OS's (notably the M$ version) in > >performance. > > So what do we have to do to get a solid JIT? Is it a matter of developer > time, or are there other issues involved? Mostly resources, which involve more than time, but involve expertise. Similar to the thread running in -hackers, you need someone with time, expertise, and desire to work on the problem. Unfortunately, I have very little of all of them. :) > If we could compete with > Microsoft's and Sun's Java performance/reliability, I would probably become > the #1 FreeBSD evangelist in a short time :) I mean, I love it as it is, > but if it had a Java as least as good as Windows NT, I'd be ecstatic! So would I. :) :) > >> Other commercial OS companies are seriously > >> lacking here, I think SCO only has a 1.1.3 JDK, whereas, FreeBSD already > >> has a 1.1.7. > > > >And soon to have an ELF version. I've spent the last few days working > >on it, and I hope to have the ELF version of JDK1 out by next week > >sometime. > > > >Then, it's onto JDK2. :) > > Doesn't the Java 2 platform include Symantec's JIT? Will we get that with > the port? The Linux folks have someone been able to integrate it, but I don't know how. Hopefully their patches will shed some light into that, but the JIT apparently only works with green threads and not native threads. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 14:40:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from wrath.cs.utah.edu (wrath.cs.utah.edu [155.99.198.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C2E1540E for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gback@cs.utah.edu) Received: from sal.cs.utah.edu (sal.cs.utah.edu [155.99.195.64]) by wrath.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11486; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:40:25 -0700 (MST) From: Godmar Back Received: (from gback@localhost) by sal.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10642; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:40:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903232240.PAA10642@sal.cs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Java (was Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux ) To: brian@lojic.com (Brian Adkins) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:40:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: sprice@hiwaay.net, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990323161644.0103a7a0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> from "Brian Adkins" at Mar 23, 99 04:18:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Have you tried Kaffe? If so, what do you think? I've looked at their web > site but for the life of me I can't see what version of the JDK they support. > Right now, it's somewhere between 1.0.2 and 1.2, mostly around 1.1. That is, only a few 1.1 features are missing (security, for instance), and only a few 1.2 features are implemented. I'll add a note to the pages. Thanks for pointing that out. - Godmar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 23 20:22:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from aravalli.novalink.stpn.soft.net (aravalli.novalink.stpn.soft.net [204.143.115.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F8E114E42 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:22:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cvenkat@encanto.stpn.soft.net) Received: from encanto.stpn.soft.net (unverified [204.143.115.44]) by aravalli.novalink.stpn.soft.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:47:21 +0530 Message-ID: <36F8689B.94C4772@encanto.stpn.soft.net> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:52:51 +0530 From: "Venkat C." Reply-To: cvenkat@encanto.stpn.soft.net Organization: Encanto Networks (I) Pvt. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Java mailing list Subject: Volano benchmark Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I refer to the JavaWorld Volano benchmark comparisons of i386-based JVMs when running Server applications. During the benchmark tests, the following scores were reported: JDK 1.1.7 FreeBSD.............166 messages/sec Blackdown JDK 1.1.7 Linux.....448 messages/sec On my FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE machine (less powerful than the ones used in the benchmark tests, otherwise all the operating parameters were identical), I obtained a score of 148 messages/sec, i.e. close enough to 166. With the shuJIT JIT, I obtained a score of 226 messages/sec; with TYA, 278 messages/sec. I am curious to know why I didn't even come close to the score obtained by the Blackdown JDK. Is it because the Blackdown JDK uses Linux native threads? Thanks for any light thrown. Venkat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 24 9:37:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.iwaynet.net (smtp.iwaynet.net [198.30.29.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDFE15024 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@lojic.com) Received: from daytona (overkill.Progressive-Systems.Com [209.41.220.250]) by smtp.iwaynet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA27822; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:35:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990324123416.00a96b30@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Sender: adkins@mailbox.iwaynet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:35:18 -0500 To: cvenkat@aravalli.novalink.stpn.soft.net From: Brian Adkins Subject: Re: Volano benchmark Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36F8689B.94C4772@encanto.stpn.soft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:52 AM 3/24/99 +0530, Venkat C. wrote: >Hi, > >I refer to the JavaWorld Volano benchmark comparisons of i386-based JVMs >when running Server applications. During the benchmark tests, the >following scores were reported: Can you provide a URL for the benchmarks, or is it hard-copy only? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 24 9:44:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.iwaynet.net (smtp.iwaynet.net [198.30.29.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5455A1552D for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:43:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@lojic.com) Received: from daytona (overkill.Progressive-Systems.Com [209.41.220.250]) by smtp.iwaynet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28202 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:42:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990324124236.00a8b580@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Sender: adkins@mailbox.iwaynet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:43:17 -0500 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brian Adkins Subject: Re: Volano benchmark In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990324123416.00a96b30@mailbox.iwaynet.net> References: <36F8689B.94C4772@encanto.stpn.soft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:35 PM 3/24/99 -0500, Brian Adkins wrote: >At 09:52 AM 3/24/99 +0530, Venkat C. wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I refer to the JavaWorld Volano benchmark comparisons of i386-based JVMs >>when running Server applications. During the benchmark tests, the >>following scores were reported: Well, I got off my lazy butt and just went to the javaworld site: http://www.javaworld.com/jw-03-1999/jw-03-volanomark.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 25 0:28:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.68.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104F715002 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shudoh@muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (shudoh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.1a/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA07421; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:26:39 +0900 Message-Id: <199903250826.RAA07421@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:08:21 JST." Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:26:39 +0900 From: SHUDO Kazuyuki Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Price wrote: > # Doesn't the Java 2 platform include Symantec's JIT? Will we get that with > # the port? > > Yes the Sun implementation has it (and Blackdown's too I think) > but the source is not publically available, so our port won't > come with it. :( Java 2 SDK (JDK 1.2) for Linux and for Solaris have Sun JIT. Only one for Win32 has Symantec JIT. Porting Symantec JIT to other OSes on x86 may be not too difficult. But, Symantec has not released their JIT for other platforms than Win32. Kazuyuki SHUDO Happy Hacking! Muraoka Lab., School of Sci. & Eng., Waseda Univ. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 25 0:29:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.68.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EFD150E6 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shudoh@muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (shudoh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.1a/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA07438; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:26:53 +0900 Message-Id: <199903250826.RAA07438@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> To: Brian Adkins Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Java (was Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:18:37 JST." <4.1.19990323161644.0103a7a0@mailbox.iwaynet.net> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:26:52 +0900 From: SHUDO Kazuyuki Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Have you tried Kaffe? If so, what do you think? I've looked at their web > site but for the life of me I can't see what version of the JDK they support. Kaffe is compliant with Personal Java Application Environment which doesn't have all of Java Platform core API. But I think it's enough for almost all of our purpose. Kazuyuki SHUDO Happy Hacking! Muraoka Lab., School of Sci. & Eng., Waseda Univ. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 25 6:52: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (garbo.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6016D15084 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:51:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from laurieh@lodgenet.com) Received: from lhuewe.lodgenet.com (lhuewe.lodgenet.com [10.0.122.27]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00891 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:51:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from lhuewe.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lhuewe.lodgenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00933 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:51:39 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199903251451.IAA00933@lhuewe.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Swing applets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:51:38 -0600 From: Laurie Huewe Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone been successful in running Swing applets using Netscape 4.5 (FreeBSD 2.2; JDK 1.1.7; Swing 1.1)? I recently installed Netscape 4.5 but each time I select a link to a Swing applet, Netscape crashes with a bus error. Thanks in advance for any advice/info, -- ******************************************************************************* Laurie Huewe LodgeNet Entertainment Email: Laurie.Huewe@LodgeNet.com ******************************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 25 7:41: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0899C14BE9 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:40:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA25586; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:40:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA23948; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:40:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:40:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199903251540.IAA23948@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: SHUDO Kazuyuki Cc: Steve Price , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux In-Reply-To: <199903250826.RAA07421@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> References: <199903250826.RAA07421@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > # Doesn't the Java 2 platform include Symantec's JIT? Will we get that with > > # the port? > > > > Yes the Sun implementation has it (and Blackdown's too I think) > > but the source is not publically available, so our port won't > > come with it. :( > > Java 2 SDK (JDK 1.2) for Linux and for Solaris have Sun > JIT. Only one for Win32 has Symantec JIT. It appears that the Sun JIT is provided as part of the JDK2 sources. ./src/solaris/lib/sparc/libsunwjit_g.so ./src/solaris/lib/sparc/libsunwjit.so ./src/solaris/lib/i386/libsunwjit_g.so ./src/solaris/lib/i386/libsunwjit.so So, we may also be able to use the JIT as well. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 25 19:28:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.68.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C897A150D5 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:28:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shudoh@muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (shudoh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.1a/3.7W) with ESMTP id MAA15184; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:26:54 +0900 Message-Id: <199903260326.MAA15184@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> To: Nate Williams Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:40:38 MST." <199903251540.IAA23948@mt.sri.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:26:54 +0900 From: SHUDO Kazuyuki Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It appears that the Sun JIT is provided as part of the JDK2 sources. > > ./src/solaris/lib/sparc/libsunwjit_g.so > ./src/solaris/lib/sparc/libsunwjit.so > ./src/solaris/lib/i386/libsunwjit_g.so > ./src/solaris/lib/i386/libsunwjit.so > > So, we may also be able to use the JIT as well. Those are JITs for SunOS 5/x86 and SPARC as you know. Is there any way to use them on FreeBSD? Kazuyuki SHUDO Happy Hacking! Muraoka Lab., Grad. School of Sci. & Eng., Waseda Univ. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 25 19:47:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C22714D2A for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:47:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01865; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:47:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA27986; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:47:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:47:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199903260347.UAA27986@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: SHUDO Kazuyuki Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux In-Reply-To: <199903260326.MAA15184@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> References: <199903251540.IAA23948@mt.sri.com> <199903260326.MAA15184@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > It appears that the Sun JIT is provided as part of the JDK2 sources. > > > > ./src/solaris/lib/sparc/libsunwjit_g.so > > ./src/solaris/lib/sparc/libsunwjit.so > > ./src/solaris/lib/i386/libsunwjit_g.so > > ./src/solaris/lib/i386/libsunwjit.so > > > > So, we may also be able to use the JIT as well. > > Those are JITs for SunOS 5/x86 and SPARC as you know. > Is there any way to use them on FreeBSD? Possibly. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 25 19:52:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6439615502 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:52:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA22754; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:52:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:52:04 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: SHUDO Kazuyuki Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD emulation for linux In-Reply-To: <199903260326.MAA15184@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, SHUDO Kazuyuki wrote: # > It appears that the Sun JIT is provided as part of the JDK2 sources. # > # > ./src/solaris/lib/sparc/libsunwjit_g.so # > ./src/solaris/lib/sparc/libsunwjit.so # > ./src/solaris/lib/i386/libsunwjit_g.so # > ./src/solaris/lib/i386/libsunwjit.so # > # > So, we may also be able to use the JIT as well. # # Those are JITs for SunOS 5/x86 and SPARC as you know. # Is there any way to use them on FreeBSD? Can't say for sure. Those files seem to be self-contained except for a few routines needed from libkvm.so, so we may get lucky and have them work. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 26 8:14: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B1215516; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06932; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA00184; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:13:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:13:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199903261613.JAA00184@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-announce@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org, java-port@FreeBSD.org Subject: Announce: FreeBSD JDK1.1.7 with ELF support X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For all of your FreeBSD-JDK information, see: http://www.freebsd.org/java Thanks to Steve Price, we now have a version of JDK1.1.7 that supports the 3.X/4.X users natively. ********NOTE********* The ELF releases requires an updated real-time loader which has additional functionality added on 1999/3/24. The JDK/JRE releases will *NOT* work without the updated loader and will crash right away. An updated 'ld-elf.so.1' binary is provided on the WWW page, along with installation instructions for those users who are not tracking -stable or -current. Please don't send email to the list stating that the release is built unless you know for sure that you are using the updated loader. ********END NOTE********* The new release also fixes a couple of minor bugs, including the infamous 'broken appletviewer' bug as well as some fixes for windows always placing themselves in the upper-left corner, so older FreeBSD 2.2.X users will probably be interested in upgrading. JDK2 status: ------------ JDK2 porting has just begun. We are quite a ways from having a finished product, and we are hoping the Linux JDK2 diffs will be released soon which should help us greatly. Please don't pester the porting team on when it will be done, because we don't know yet, and we're nowhere close to being done. A good guess for when it will be done would be early-late Summer. Thanks! - The FreeBSD JDK team To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 26 9:51: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.websidestory.com (mail.websidestory.com [209.75.20.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587B914F14 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@websidestory.com) Received: from dan (dan.websidestory.com [208.232.223.53]) by mail.websidestory.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA09194 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:50:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <006201be77b1$9148b2d0$35dfe8d0@dan.websidestory.com> From: "Dan Cramer" To: Subject: Java IDE? Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:53:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do you know of any good Java IDE's? If there are projects in development, I'd be willing to help. Dan Cramer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Software Engineer, WebSideStory, Inc. Sun Certified Java Programmer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 26 9:57: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688B815096 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:56:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25914; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:55:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:54:59 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Dan Cramer Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Java IDE? In-Reply-To: <006201be77b1$9148b2d0$35dfe8d0@dan.websidestory.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Dan Cramer wrote: > Do you know of any good Java IDE's? > > If there are projects in development, I'd be willing to help. I took a look at a few. Emacs has a great one. The tar file is jde-2.1.1.tar.gz ... I don't remember where I got it from, so if you can't find it via ftpsearch, let me know, I'll send it to you, but I have a slow modem so try ftpsearch first, please. I'm not normally an emacs-maven, but I like this pretty well. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 26 13:35:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from securitas.net (extern.securitas.net [212.66.1.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7818114E93 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:33:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grossman@securitas.net) Received: from blue.securitas.net (grossman@blue.securitas.net [212.66.0.24]) by securitas.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27353; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:33:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from grossman@localhost) by blue.securitas.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id WAA06599; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:32:03 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:32:03 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199903262132.WAA06599@blue.securitas.net> From: Rolf Grossmann MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Dan Cramer" Cc: Subject: Re: Java IDE? In-Reply-To: <006201be77b1$9148b2d0$35dfe8d0@dan.websidestory.com> References: <006201be77b1$9148b2d0$35dfe8d0@dan.websidestory.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under Emacs 19.34.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, on Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:53:33 -0800 Dan Cramer wrote concerning "Java IDE?" something like this: > Do you know of any good Java IDE's? > If there are projects in development, I'd be willing to help. You might want to take a look at http://www.freebuilder.org/ but I guess it still needs a lot of work. (I admit, I didn't try it myself, but that's what my collegue said.) Regards, Rolf Grossmann. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 26 17:22:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B46A14F93 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:22:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id BAA05258; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:21:41 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:19:32 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <006201be77b1$9148b2d0$35dfe8d0@dan.websidestory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 01:19:31 +0000 To: "Dan Cramer" From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Java IDE? Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, At 9:53 am -0800 26/3/99, Dan Cramer wrote: >Do you know of any good Java IDE's? http://www.ist.co.uk/visaj but it's not free. -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 26 21:51:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271B61517E; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:51:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA20953; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:50:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:50:55 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Cc: Brian Adkins , Donald Wilde , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990326130833.00ad6680@mailbox.iwaynet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Please forgive the cross-post. This started on advocacy, but should really be moved to java. For those on the advocacy list that want to follow it over please do. Anyone that replies please remove advocacy from the cc: line before hitting send.] I've had about all of this I can stand. I've read the JIT docs and seen the size of the tarballs to a couple of JITs. Not trying to trivialize in anyway what it takes to write a really good JIT, but I want one under a BSD-style license and I think we can get something workable in a reasonable amount of time. Anyone out there care to either: a) Approach one of the GPL'd JITs and ask for a BSD-style licensed release. b) Help me write one from scratch. I sure I'm going to regret saying this, but writing a JIT (IMHO) has to be easier to write than a FreeBSD emulator for Linux. :) Comments/suggestions/code? -steve On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Brian Adkins wrote: # Donald, # I think you may have the cart before the horse. To attract more Java # users to FreeBSD, the JDK needs to improve substantially. The average Java # user is not interested in helping a platform become better, they are # interested in platforms that run their apps well right now. I personally # wouldn't recommend increasing the visibility of FreeBSD's JDK until it # improves - timing is important here because increasing the visibility # before it's ready will just leave a bad lasting impression. # I don't want to dampen enthusiasm for the JDK on FreeBSD; I really hope # it continues to improve and becomes a competitive product because I think # the combination of FreeBSD and a competitive JDK is powerful. # I just called TowerJ to inquire about their product. When I asked if # they were planning on porting their product to FreeBSD, he said they were, # but didn't give a time frame. He did say that they've received a lot of # requests to do so. Unfortunately, their product is fairly expensive; # however, if you combine their pricy product with a nicely priced FreeBSD, # you will still have a very competitive Java platform. # # Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 0:34:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from osprey.grizzly.com (osprey.grizzly.com [209.133.20.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C7414BC9 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markd@Grizzly.COM) Received: (from markd@localhost) by osprey.grizzly.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05586; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:33:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:33:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903270833.AAA05586@osprey.grizzly.com> X-Authentication-Warning: osprey.grizzly.com: markd set sender to markd@grizzly.com using -f From: Mark Diekhans To: sprice@hiwaay.net Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@lojic.com, dwilde1@thuntek.net In-reply-to: (message from Steve Price on Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:50:55 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I've had about all of this I can stand. I've read the JIT >docs and seen the size of the tarballs to a couple of JITs. >Not trying to trivialize in anyway what it takes to write >a really good JIT, but I want one under a BSD-style license >and I think we can get something workable in a reasonable >amount of time. What is the importance of getting a JIT under a BSD-license? While it would be nice, it doesn't seem to have any real impact on the usability of Java on FreeBSD for developing commercial applications. >Comments/suggestions/code? Instead of writing yet another JIT, pick the `best' one and help test and improve it. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 2:41:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from nohow.demon.co.uk (nohow.demon.co.uk [212.228.18.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA47914F82 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:40:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noway@nohow.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (nohow.demon.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by nohow.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18916 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:40:31 GMT (envelope-from noway@nohow.demon.co.uk) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:40:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Jose Marques To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: JDK size Message-ID: X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I notice that the size of the aout JDK distribution is now about 18MB. Given that the previous 12-21 release is only about 12MB I was wondering what the increase in size was due to. -- Jose Marques To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 5:15: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from jiyu.net (unknown [209.100.98.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037A715327 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:15:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daichi@ongs.net) Received: from localhost (ppph085.wbs.ne.jp [202.219.55.85]) by jiyu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13694 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:15:25 +0900 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK size In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94b9 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990327211955T.daichi@ongs.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:19:55 +0900 From: "Daichi T.GOTO" X-Dispatcher: imput version 990225(IM107) Lines: 17 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Jose Marques Subject: JDK size Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:40:30 +0000 (GMT) > I notice that the size of the aout JDK distribution is now about 18MB. ? about java2? > Given that the previous 12-21 release is only about 12MB I was wondering > what the increase in size was due to. Maybe, that is JFC(Swing). JFC is very good and powerful GUI builder libraries. ---- Daichi T.GOTO (ONGS) http://www.ongs.net/daichi, daichi@ongs.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 5:40:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43B214F68 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 05:40:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-033.thuntek.net [207.66.52.33]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id GAA02874; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 06:40:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36FCDFB1.D60A66C1@thuntek.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 06:40:01 -0700 From: Donald Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Price , brian@lojic.com, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org YAY! I'm not up on Java (yet!), but I have copies of: O'Reilly "Java Virtual Machine" O'Reilly "Java Distributed Computing" Osborne "Java: The Complete Reference" That I'm willing to loan to the effort. I'll send them anywhere they're needed. -- Donald Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 8:18:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364D215605 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:18:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10189; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04523; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:18:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:18:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199903271618.JAA04523@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jose Marques Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK size In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I notice that the size of the aout JDK distribution is now about 18MB. > Given that the previous 12-21 release is only about 12MB I was wondering > what the increase in size was due to. I don't know. I looked through the tree, and nothing jumped out at me. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 8:20:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F0F15591 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10227; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04563; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:20:34 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:20:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199903271620.JAA04563@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Daichi T.GOTO" Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK size In-Reply-To: <19990327211955T.daichi@ongs.net> References: <19990327211955T.daichi@ongs.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I notice that the size of the aout JDK distribution is now about 18MB. > > ? about java2? java1 Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 8:21:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from nohow.demon.co.uk (nohow.demon.co.uk [212.228.18.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87A914BEA for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:21:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noway@nohow.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (nohow.demon.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by nohow.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02099; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:21:06 GMT (envelope-from noway@nohow.demon.co.uk) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:21:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jose Marques To: "Daichi T.GOTO" Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: JDK size In-Reply-To: <19990327211955T.daichi@ongs.net> Message-ID: X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Daichi T.GOTO wrote: > > I notice that the size of the aout JDK distribution is now about 18MB. > > ? about java2? I was referring to the FreeBSD 1.1.7 aout JDK distribution. > Maybe, that is JFC(Swing). JFC is very good and powerful GUI builder > libraries. But the elf version and the aout JRE haven't substantially changed in size. -- Jose Marques To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 9:47:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FFA14BE0 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA03320; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:47:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:47:20 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: Mark Diekhans Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@lojic.com, dwilde1@thuntek.net Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) In-Reply-To: <199903270833.AAA05586@osprey.grizzly.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Mark Diekhans wrote: # >I've had about all of this I can stand. I've read the JIT # >docs and seen the size of the tarballs to a couple of JITs. # >Not trying to trivialize in anyway what it takes to write # >a really good JIT, but I want one under a BSD-style license # >and I think we can get something workable in a reasonable # >amount of time. # # What is the importance of getting a JIT under a BSD-license? This is a flamebait question intended to draw me into yet another licensing war, but I'll bite long enough to say this. I want a great JIT that I can freely use and not have to read nor understand some 15+ page license and all the legalities contained within. I don't want the people whose use it have to read and understand it either. Something like the BSD, MIT, Perl Artistic, etc. licenses give me the freedom that I desire and doesn't require me to attribute my (and others) hard work to RMS or the FSF. # While it would be nice, it doesn't seem to have any real impact # on the usability of Java on FreeBSD for developing commercial # applications. It does to me and many others that I have spoken to. # >Comments/suggestions/code? # # Instead of writing yet another JIT, pick the `best' one # and help test and improve it. Doesn't matter which one is the best right now. Find me one that isn't GPL'd and I would gladly pick it up and help extend it. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 9:59:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from wrath.cs.utah.edu (wrath.cs.utah.edu [155.99.198.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7465615301 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 09:59:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gback@cs.utah.edu) Received: from sal.cs.utah.edu (sal.cs.utah.edu [155.99.195.64]) by wrath.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09573; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:58:40 -0700 (MST) From: Godmar Back Received: (from gback@localhost) by sal.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19165; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:58:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903271758.KAA19165@sal.cs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) To: sprice@hiwaay.net (Steve Price) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:58:37 -0700 (MST) Cc: markd@Grizzly.COM, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@lojic.com, dwilde1@thuntek.net In-Reply-To: from "Steve Price" at Mar 27, 99 11:47:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll bite long enough to say this: not all GPLed work is controlled by RMS and the FSF. Please, do not equate the GPL and the FSF. For instance, Kaffe is GPLed, but the FSF does not hold the copyright and does not control it. Kaffe uses the GPL for entirely different motives than the FSF does, see www.kaffe.org/FAQ.html. FWIW, Kaffe is a JVM that also contains a simple JIT. On a technical note, I thin it is impossible to develop a high-performance JIT independent of the rest of the JVM. I believe that the jit interface as defined by Sun and used by such JITs as TYA and Shujo (sp?) makes integrating really high-performance JIT hard, if not impossible. - Godmar > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > # >I've had about all of this I can stand. I've read the JIT > # >docs and seen the size of the tarballs to a couple of JITs. > # >Not trying to trivialize in anyway what it takes to write > # >a really good JIT, but I want one under a BSD-style license > # >and I think we can get something workable in a reasonable > # >amount of time. > # > # What is the importance of getting a JIT under a BSD-license? > > This is a flamebait question intended to draw me into yet another > licensing war, but I'll bite long enough to say this. > > I want a great JIT that I can freely use and not have to read > nor understand some 15+ page license and all the legalities > contained within. I don't want the people whose use it have > to read and understand it either. Something like the BSD, MIT, > Perl Artistic, etc. licenses give me the freedom that I desire > and doesn't require me to attribute my (and others) hard work > to RMS or the FSF. > > # While it would be nice, it doesn't seem to have any real impact > # on the usability of Java on FreeBSD for developing commercial > # applications. > > It does to me and many others that I have spoken to. > > # >Comments/suggestions/code? > # > # Instead of writing yet another JIT, pick the `best' one > # and help test and improve it. > > Doesn't matter which one is the best right now. Find me one > that isn't GPL'd and I would gladly pick it up and help extend > it. > > -steve > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 10: 1:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from osprey.grizzly.com (osprey.grizzly.com [209.133.20.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCAFD14DF1 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markd@Grizzly.COM) Received: (from markd@localhost) by osprey.grizzly.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10685; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:01:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:01:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903271801.KAA10685@osprey.grizzly.com> X-Authentication-Warning: osprey.grizzly.com: markd set sender to markd@grizzly.com using -f From: Mark Diekhans To: sprice@hiwaay.net Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@lojic.com, dwilde1@thuntek.net In-reply-to: (message from Steve Price on Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:47:20 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ># What is the importance of getting a JIT under a BSD-license? > >This is a flamebait question intended to draw me into yet another >licensing war, but I'll bite long enough to say this. No it is not! Take the question at face value. I do a lot of server-side Java development and see FreeBSD as an excellent platform for such applications once the JVM can compete with the Solaris JVM. I am no fan of the GPL and all open source software I have release is under a BSD-style license. Given that FreeBSD is fairly dependent on GPL-ed code anyway (e.g. gcc) and the way a JIT is licensed has no impact (that I can see) on its use, it doesn't seem near as important as just having a really solid java environment. >Doesn't matter which one is the best right now. Find me one >that isn't GPL'd and I would gladly pick it up and help extend >it. Ok, that answered the question. Good luck with your effort. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 10: 6:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.iwaynet.net (smtp.iwaynet.net [198.30.29.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8AD14FCE for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:06:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@lojic.com) Received: from daytona (overkill.Progressive-Systems.Com [209.41.220.250]) by smtp.iwaynet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA29730; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:05:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990327130403.00a4ef10@mailbox.iwaynet.net> X-Sender: adkins@mailbox.iwaynet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:06:08 -0500 To: Steve Price , Mark Diekhans , Godmar Back , dwilde1@thuntek.net From: Brian Adkins Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199903270833.AAA05586@osprey.grizzly.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please remove me from the address list on this thread. First of all, I subsucribe to the java list, and second it's starting to sound like the FreeBSD emulator for Linux thread :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 10:12:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.249.129.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A01A14FCE for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:12:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08912; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199903271810.KAA08912@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mark Diekhans Cc: sprice@hiwaay.net, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@lojic.com, dwilde1@thuntek.net Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:01:04 PST." <199903271801.KAA10685@osprey.grizzly.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:10:22 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am focusing on Electric Fire which is covered by the Netscape Public License if anyone is interested see: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ef The latest version compiles on FreeBSD with no hazzle . Electric Fire uses standard compiler technology so it is really more like a compiler rather than a JIT. For instance, its register allocator uses a Chaitin-Briggs style register allocator. Kaffe is not a bad way to go for developing server side applications like servlets specially due to its relatively small memory foot print which I am sure that Godmar can elaborate on 8) Cheers, Amancio > ># What is the importance of getting a JIT under a BSD-license? > > > >This is a flamebait question intended to draw me into yet another > >licensing war, but I'll bite long enough to say this. > > No it is not! Take the question at face value. I do a lot of server-side Java > development and see FreeBSD as an excellent platform for such applications > once the JVM can compete with the Solaris JVM. > > I am no fan of the GPL and all open source software I have release is under a > BSD-style license. > > Given that FreeBSD is fairly dependent on GPL-ed code anyway (e.g. gcc) and > the way a JIT is licensed has no impact (that I can see) on its use, it > doesn't seem near as important as just having a really solid java environment. > > >Doesn't matter which one is the best right now. Find me one > >that isn't GPL'd and I would gladly pick it up and help extend > >it. > > Ok, that answered the question. Good luck with your effort. > > Mark > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 10:14:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A0A1521E for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:14:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA11948; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:14:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:14:02 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: Godmar Back Cc: markd@Grizzly.COM, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@lojic.com, dwilde1@thuntek.net Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) In-Reply-To: <199903271758.KAA19165@sal.cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Godmar Back wrote: # I'll bite long enough to say this: not all GPLed work is controlled # by RMS and the FSF. Please, do not equate the GPL and the FSF. # For instance, Kaffe is GPLed, but the FSF does not hold the copyright and # does not control it. Kaffe uses the GPL for entirely different motives # than the FSF does, see www.kaffe.org/FAQ.html. My apologies if I drew that analogy. I am talking about JITs and both the ones that I know of are GPL'd and copyright the FSF. It is not the GPL per se that bothers me, but the attribution to RMS and the FSF. You are entirely correct that Kaffe is not this way. Thanks for pointing this out. # FWIW, Kaffe is a JVM that also contains a simple JIT. Cool. # On a technical note, I thin it is impossible to develop a high-performance # JIT independent of the rest of the JVM. I believe that the jit interface # as defined by Sun and used by such JITs as TYA and Shujo (sp?) makes # integrating really high-performance JIT hard, if not impossible. Please do tell. # - Godmar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 10:32: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from wrath.cs.utah.edu (wrath.cs.utah.edu [155.99.198.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABC715248 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gback@cs.utah.edu) Received: from sal.cs.utah.edu (sal.cs.utah.edu [155.99.195.64]) by wrath.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10257; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:31:39 -0700 (MST) From: Godmar Back Received: (from gback@localhost) by sal.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19292; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:31:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903271831.LAA19292@sal.cs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) To: sprice@hiwaay.net (Steve Price) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:31:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Steve Price" at Mar 27, 99 12:14:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Godmar Back wrote: > > # I'll bite long enough to say this: not all GPLed work is controlled > # by RMS and the FSF. Please, do not equate the GPL and the FSF. > # For instance, Kaffe is GPLed, but the FSF does not hold the copyright and > # does not control it. Kaffe uses the GPL for entirely different motives > # than the FSF does, see www.kaffe.org/FAQ.html. > > My apologies if I drew that analogy. I am talking about JITs > and both the ones that I know of are GPL'd and copyright the > FSF. It is not the GPL per se that bothers me, but the attribution > to RMS and the FSF. You are entirely correct that Kaffe is not > this way. Thanks for pointing this out. > Interesting. Could you point me at the two FSF Jits you are talking about? I only know of TYA, which is copyrighted by ALbrecht Kleine, and the ShuJIT, which is copyrighted by Shudo Kazajuki. > > # On a technical note, I thin it is impossible to develop a high-performance > # JIT independent of the rest of the JVM. I believe that the jit interface > # as defined by Sun and used by such JITs as TYA and Shujo (sp?) makes > # integrating really high-performance JIT hard, if not impossible. > > Please do tell. > The reasons are the lack of an interface to the threading, exception, and gc subsystem which are necessarily to implement high performance write barriers for incremental, synchronous and asynchronous precise exceptions. - Godmar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 10:46:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.249.129.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EEC14BFE for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:46:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09066; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:45:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199903271845.KAA09066@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Godmar Back Cc: sprice@hiwaay.net (Steve Price), freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:31:36 MST." <199903271831.LAA19292@sal.cs.utah.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:45:44 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The reasons are the lack of an interface to the threading, exception, and > gc subsystem which are necessarily to implement high performance > write barriers for incremental, synchronous and asynchronous precise > exceptions. > Well the above does not hold true for EF since like Kaffe both are VMs and can be modified to eliminate the technical obstacle. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 10:51:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E397614BF3 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:51:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA19023; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:51:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:51:28 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: Godmar Back Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) In-Reply-To: <199903271831.LAA19292@sal.cs.utah.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Godmar Back wrote: # Interesting. Could you point me at the two FSF Jits you are talking about? # I only know of TYA, which is copyrighted by ALbrecht Kleine, and the # ShuJIT, which is copyrighted by Shudo Kazajuki. As someone has already pointed out. I am an idiot who apparently can't read. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 10:55:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from wrath.cs.utah.edu (wrath.cs.utah.edu [155.99.198.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E748D15138 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 10:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gback@cs.utah.edu) Received: from sal.cs.utah.edu (sal.cs.utah.edu [155.99.195.64]) by wrath.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10791; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:55:38 -0700 (MST) From: Godmar Back Received: (from gback@localhost) by sal.cs.utah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19463; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:55:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199903271855.LAA19463@sal.cs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:55:37 -0700 (MST) Cc: gback@cs.utah.edu, sprice@hiwaay.net, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903271845.KAA09066@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty" at Mar 27, 99 10:45:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My point exactly ;-) - Godmar > > > > The reasons are the lack of an interface to the threading, exception, and > > gc subsystem which are necessarily to implement high performance > > write barriers for incremental, synchronous and asynchronous precise > > exceptions. > > > > Well the above does not hold true for EF since like Kaffe both are VMs and > can be modified to eliminate the technical obstacle. > > Amancio > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 17: 0: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E846914BD5 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:59:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from plm@smtp3.xs4all.nl) Received: from localhost. (dc2-isdn1992.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.155.200]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA17023 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:59:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (from plm@localhost) by localhost. (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA00315; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 01:59:37 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from plm) To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: jdk-1.1.7 speed From: Peter Mutsaers Date: 28 Mar 1999 02:54:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87lngiigcf.fsf@muon.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 20.3 Lines: 21 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried the Volano 2.1 benchmark with FreeBSD's and Linux's JVM. On my machine conducting the test accoring to Volano's instructions, I got: FreeBSD 1.1.7 aout : 302 elf : 297 Blackdown 1.1.7 (libc5) in Linux emulator: 421 in Linux 2.2.4 : 551 Does anyone know why FreeBSD's JVM is so slow? Blackdown's JVM is even much faster when run under Linux emulation within FreeBSD. Regards, -- Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know plm@xs4all.nl | the Netherlands | what I'm doing. ---------------+---------------------+------------------ Running FreeBSD-current UNIX. See http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 17: 6:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DDD14D26 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:06:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA16989; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:05:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:05:53 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: Peter Mutsaers Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jdk-1.1.7 speed In-Reply-To: <87lngiigcf.fsf@muon.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28 Mar 1999, Peter Mutsaers wrote: # I tried the Volano 2.1 benchmark with FreeBSD's and Linux's JVM. On my # machine conducting the test accoring to Volano's instructions, I got: # # FreeBSD 1.1.7 aout : 302 # elf : 297 # Blackdown 1.1.7 (libc5) in Linux emulator: 421 # in Linux 2.2.4 : 551 # # # Does anyone know why FreeBSD's JVM is so slow? # Blackdown's JVM is even much faster when run under Linux emulation # within FreeBSD. Just guessing, but there's is probably using a JIT. Set the following in your environment export JAVA_COMPILER= and try the tests on the Blackdown JDK again. # # Regards, # # -- # Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know # plm@xs4all.nl | the Netherlands | what I'm doing. # ---------------+---------------------+------------------ # Running FreeBSD-current UNIX. See http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 19:31:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from poboxer.pobox.com (unknown [208.149.16.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7CB14FB1 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:31:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alk@poboxer.pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by poboxer.pobox.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA54117; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:30:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from alk) From: Anthony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:30:25 -0600 (CST) X-Face: \h9Jg:Cuivl4S*UP-)gO.6O=T]]@ncM*tn4zG);)lk#4|lqEx=*talx?.Gk,dMQU2)ptPC17cpBzm(l'M|H8BUF1&]dDCxZ.c~Wy6-j,^V1E(NtX$FpkkdnJixsJHE95JlhO 5\M3jh'YiO7KPCn0~W`Ro44_TB@&JuuqRqgPL'0/{):7rU-%.*@/>q?1&Ed Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: markd@Grizzly.COM Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) References: <199903271801.KAA10685@osprey.grizzly.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14077.41181.542222.948279@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Mark Diekhans on Sat, 27 March: : Given that FreeBSD is fairly dependent on GPL-ed code anyway (e.g. gcc) and : the way a JIT is licensed has no impact (that I can see) on its use, it : doesn't seem near as important as just having a really solid java environment. Open question: Can you distribute a JDK binary (whether new "Sun Community Source License" a la 1.2 or old 1.1.7-style) with a JIT which is GPL? My take: No. You absolutely cannot. You are clearly violating the GPL if you will not provide source, and the Sun license prevents you from providing source. I don't think LGPL will allow it either. The closest you can come is to provide instructions to the consumer for integrating the GPL JIT into a binary JDK. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 27 20: 3: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from osprey.grizzly.com (osprey.grizzly.com [209.133.20.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2998B152AD for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markd@Grizzly.COM) Received: (from markd@localhost) by osprey.grizzly.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03993; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:02:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:02:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903280402.UAA03993@osprey.grizzly.com> X-Authentication-Warning: osprey.grizzly.com: markd set sender to markd@grizzly.com using -f From: Mark Diekhans To: alk@pobox.com Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <14077.41181.542222.948279@avalon.east> (message from Anthony Kimball on Sat, 27 Mar 1999 21:30:25 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: A BSD-licensed JIT (was Re: Development Projects) References: <199903271801.KAA10685@osprey.grizzly.com> <14077.41181.542222.948279@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Quoth Mark Diekhans on Sat, 27 March: >: Given that FreeBSD is fairly dependent on GPL-ed code anyway (e.g. gcc) and >: the way a JIT is licensed has no impact (that I can see) on its use, it >: doesn't seem near as important as just having a really solid java environment. > >Open question: Can you distribute a JDK binary (whether new "Sun >Community Source License" a la 1.2 or old 1.1.7-style) with a JIT >which is GPL? JITs for the Sun JDK are dynamically loaded shared libraries, so they can be distrbuted independently. LGPL is probably no issue; as far as I can tell, the GPL makes little sense in a world that decomposes into something more complex than staticly linked programs. >My take: No. You absolutely cannot. You are clearly violating the >GPL if you will not provide source, and the Sun license prevents >you from providing source. > >I don't think LGPL will allow it either. > >The closest you can come is to provide instructions to the consumer >for integrating the GPL JIT into a binary JDK. > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message