From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Dec 14 11:11:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from s1.virt.presys.com (s1.virt.presys.com [206.100.167.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00602153A6 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tzahn@allaboutpeople.com) Received: (qmail 3204 invoked by uid 103); 14 Dec 1999 19:11:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO allaboutpeople.com) (207.48.110.18) by 206.100.167.47 with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 19:11:30 -0000 Message-ID: <38569550.1D3905D6@allaboutpeople.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:06:57 -0800 From: Tasha Zahn Organization: All About People X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: All About People Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------7AB441B8A8463ADE95A7A3AB" Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7AB441B8A8463ADE95A7A3AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! I am in Eugene, OR and am looking for someone in the area to fill the following position. Here are the details. I am the Employment Specialist at All About People, an agency that works with skilled, professional personnel (www.allaboutpeople.com). One of the divisions in which we work is computers. I currently have a part time job opening in Eugene for someone who is extremely proficient using FreeBSD. The job entails working at an information services company getting their server up and running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it about once every month. Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 and $16 per hour. If you are interested, please send me a resume in Word format w/ some details about your experience. Feel free to give me a call w/ any questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! -Tasha Zahn --------------7AB441B8A8463ADE95A7A3AB Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="tzahn.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tasha Zahn Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tzahn.vcf" begin:vcard n:Zahn;Tasha tel;fax:541.683.7863 tel;work:541.683.7862 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.allaboutpeople.com org:All About People adr:;;1410 Oak Street, Suite 103;Eugene;OR;97401; version:2.1 email;internet:tzahn@allaboutpeople.com title:Employment Specialist fn:Tasha Zahn end:vcard --------------7AB441B8A8463ADE95A7A3AB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Dec 14 19:18:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F8914C01 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:18:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 300841C4A; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E24381B; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:18:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:18:21 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Tasha Zahn Cc: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: All About People In-Reply-To: <38569550.1D3905D6@allaboutpeople.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Tasha Zahn wrote: > someone who is extremely proficient using FreeBSD. The job entails > working at an information services company getting their server up and > running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it about once every month. > Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 and $16 per hour. If > you are interested, please send me a resume in Word format w/ some > details about your experience. Feel free to give me a call w/ any > questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! (note: I'm not even remotly interested, but just trying to help you.) If you expect to find someone with those sort of skills and only are going to pay them part time (as a consultant, with no benefits), then you better offer a wage better then that of a closing shift fast food worker. Typically the tradeoff for offering a low amount of hours is a high paying wage. Also, to ask someone for a Microsoft Word format resume is being pretty ignorant of the person you're trying to hire. HTML or plaintext is pretty much par for resumes. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - DISCLAIMER: Yes, Computer Horizons is a staffing company. No, the above message is not an official statement from CHC. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Dec 14 19:41:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from sys32.hou.wt.net (sys32.hou.wt.net [205.230.159.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E056A14D60 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:41:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vladislav@davidzon.com) Received: from voyager (dialup-166.90.228.203.Detroit1.Level3.net [166.90.228.203]) by sys32.hou.wt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA08430; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:41:34 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Vladislav S. Davidzon" To: "'Tasha Zahn'" , Subject: RE: All About People Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:39:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01bf46ae$0ee05560$6400000a@voyager> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <38569550.1D3905D6@allaboutpeople.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Tasha, I sincerely hate to flame you on a mailing list but you have got to be joking me... You're offering $12-$16/hour for consultant-level, highly qualified work? Please! Try $60-70/hour. I just finished a similar project for a client, billing them nearly 8 times what you offer. If you expect to find a competent consultant, believe me, you won't. If you expect to find an idiot, there are plenty of those running around. You know, maybe I should ask my dog... She may want to work for that rate - she may just be able to get some more of those yummy dog treats. Too bad she won't be able to do the job, but hey thats about as good as you are going to find. Now let me get something else straight here - why, as a FreeBSD consultant would I have my resume in a Microsoft format? Do you not realize that Microsoft doesn't make their products for FreeBSD? Or do you not accept the possibility of someone not using Windows? Again, my sincere apologies for flaming you, but your job posting was beyond just ridiculous - it was irresponsible, demonstrated a clear lack of understanding of the position you're trying to hire into, and just plain arrogant. Best regards, Vladislav ------------------------------------------------------ Vladislav S. Davidzon Digital Media Consultant Davidzon Network Technologies http://www.davidzon.com Webmaster Project Linuxfool The source for Linux Info: http://www.linuxfool.com ------------------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Tasha Zahn > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 2:07 PM > To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: All About People > > > Greetings! > > I am in Eugene, OR and am looking for someone in the area to fill the > following position. Here are the details. I am the Employment > Specialist at All About People, an agency that works with skilled, > professional personnel (www.allaboutpeople.com). One of the divisions > in which we work is computers. I currently have a part time > job opening > in Eugene for > someone who is extremely proficient using FreeBSD. The job entails > working at an information services company getting their server up and > running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it about once every month. > Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 and $16 per hour. If > you are interested, please send me a resume in Word format w/ some > details about your experience. Feel free to give me a call w/ any > questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! > > -Tasha Zahn > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Dec 14 20: 6:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.snet.net (smtp.snet.net [204.60.6.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7ED152F5 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from metcalf@snet.net) Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh6-port135.snet.net [204.60.43.135]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id XAA16855; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:05:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38571431.DF5EE0A0@snet.net> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:08:18 -0500 From: "Jeffrey M. Metcalf" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vladislav@davidzon.com Cc: "'Tasha Zahn'" , freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: All About People References: <000a01bf46ae$0ee05560$6400000a@voyager> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Vladislav S. Davidzon" wrote: ---snip--- > > Now let me get something else straight here - why, as a FreeBSD > consultant would I have my resume in a Microsoft format? Do you not > realize that Microsoft doesn't make their products for FreeBSD? Or do > you not accept the possibility of someone not using Windows? I agree with your comments about the pay scale. What a whopper. But as to the request for a Microsoft Word formatted resume, many if not most IT professionals in the corporate world today work in a mixed Windows and UNIX environment. I am an Application developer working mostly on SUN Solaris, but my corporate e-mail and document infratructure is required to be MS Office based. > > > Again, my sincere apologies for flaming you, but your job posting was > beyond just ridiculous - it was irresponsible, demonstrated a clear > lack of understanding of the position you're trying to hire into, and > just plain arrogant. > The tone of the post showed ignorance about the level of the position, but not arrogance. While I am not a great lover of Microsoft products in general, the obvious MS digs you UNIX weenies always make show far more arrogance than this poster. JM > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Tasha Zahn > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 2:07 PM > > To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: All About People > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > I am in Eugene, OR and am looking for someone in the area to fill the > > following position. Here are the details. I am the Employment > > Specialist at All About People, an agency that works with skilled, > > professional personnel (www.allaboutpeople.com). One of the divisions > > in which we work is computers. I currently have a part time > > job opening > > in Eugene for > > someone who is extremely proficient using FreeBSD. The job entails > > working at an information services company getting their server up and > > running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it about once every month. > > Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 and $16 per hour. If > > you are interested, please send me a resume in Word format w/ some > > details about your experience. Feel free to give me a call w/ any > > questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! > > > > -Tasha Zahn > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Dec 14 22: 4:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667491506C for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from rtfm.newton (rtfm.newton [10.10.0.1]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA59502; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:04:10 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.1 Received: (from mi@localhost) by rtfm.newton (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA31125; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:04:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <199912150604.BAA31125@rtfm.newton> Subject: Re: All About People In-Reply-To: <38571431.DF5EE0A0@snet.net> from "Jeffrey M. Metcalf" at "Dec 14, 1999 11:08:18 pm" To: "Jeffrey M. Metcalf" Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 01:04:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: jobs@freebsd.org X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Again, my sincere apologies for flaming you, but your job posting was => beyond just ridiculous - it was irresponsible, demonstrated a clear => lack of understanding of the position you're trying to hire into, and => just plain arrogant. =The tone of the post showed ignorance about the level of the position, but =not =arrogance. While I am not a great lover of Microsoft products in general, =the =obvious MS digs you UNIX weenies always make show far more arrogance =than this poster. Look how quickly you lost your temper, misformatted your e-mail and descended into name-calling... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Dec 14 22: 8: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from luna.lyris.net (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B9B15003 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:08:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kip@lyris.com) Received: from luna.shelby.com by luna.lyris.net (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id WAA04395; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by luna.shelby.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.50); Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:06:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:06:59 -0800 (PST) From: Kip Macy To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: "Jeffrey M. Metcalf" , jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: All About People In-Reply-To: <199912150604.BAA31125@rtfm.newton> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SMTP-HELO: luna X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kip@lyris.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net,metcalf@snet.net,jobs@freebsd.org X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6] Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am not suggesting that it is the case, but it would be quite amusing if she made that post merely to bait us. We in the unix community have such a love of flame wars. -Kip On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Jeffrey M. Metcalf once stated: > > =I agree with your comments about the pay scale. What a whopper. But as > =to the request for a Microsoft Word formatted resume, many if not most > =IT professionals in the corporate world today work in a mixed Windows > =and UNIX environment. > > This does not mean, they _must_ keep their resumes in MSWord or other > cryptic proprietory formats for the lazy headhunters. > > =I am an Application developer working mostly on SUN Solaris, but my > =corporate e-mail and document infratructure is required to be MS Office > =based. > > This is something to be ashamed of. Your employer does not respect you > enough, if MS is pushed down your throat. And if it is not, then you > should be ashamed of using it. > > => Again, my sincere apologies for flaming you, but your job posting was > => beyond just ridiculous - it was irresponsible, demonstrated a clear > => lack of understanding of the position you're trying to hire into, and > => just plain arrogant. > > =The tone of the post showed ignorance about the level of the position, but > =not > =arrogance. While I am not a great lover of Microsoft products in general, > =the > =obvious MS digs you UNIX weenies always make show far more arrogance > =than this poster. > > Look how quickly you lost your temper, misformatted your e-mail and > descended into name-calling... > > -mi > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Dec 14 22:10:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1A11506C for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:10:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05123 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:10:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: Subject: RE: All About People Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 22:10:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199912150604.BAA31125@rtfm.newton> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mikhail Teterin > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 10:04 PM > To: Jeffrey M. Metcalf > Cc: jobs@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: All About People > > > Jeffrey M. Metcalf once stated: > > -mi > done? FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 8:35:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from web121.yahoomail.com (web121.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 552CD15491 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:35:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from duaaelzeney@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20588 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 1999 16:28:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19991215162832.20587.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Received: from [144.74.60.32] by web121.yahoomail.com; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:28:32 PST Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: Duaa Elzeney Subject: A New View To: Tasha Zahn , freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For one, I am ashamed to call myself one of the human race after the cruelty that I witnessed yesterday towards Tasha Zahn. Would it not have been possible to have sent Tasha a private e-mail advising her, in a compassionate way, to modify the details of this position? And we call ourselves adults? Why can we not show some kindness? Why must we always be such self-centered beings? With this e-mail, I do hope discussions on this topic is put to a positive close. --Duaa --- Tasha Zahn wrote: > Greetings! > > I am in Eugene, OR and am looking for someone in the > area to fill the > following position. Here are the details. I am > the Employment > Specialist at All About People, an agency that works > with skilled, > professional personnel (www.allaboutpeople.com). > One of the divisions > in which we work is computers. I currently have a > part time job opening > in Eugene for > someone who is extremely proficient using FreeBSD. > The job entails > working at an information services company getting > their server up and > running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it about > once every month. > Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 and > $16 per hour. If > you are interested, please send me a resume in Word > format w/ some > details about your experience. Feel free to give me > a call w/ any > questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! > > -Tasha Zahn > > begin:vcard > n:Zahn;Tasha > tel;fax:541.683.7863 > tel;work:541.683.7862 > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > url:www.allaboutpeople.com > org:All About People > adr:;;1410 Oak Street, Suite 103;Eugene;OR;97401; > version:2.1 > email;internet:tzahn@allaboutpeople.com > title:Employment Specialist > fn:Tasha Zahn > end:vcard > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 10:42:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.khmere.com (216-59-86-175.usa2.flashcom.net [216.59.86.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425DC1519F for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nathan@khmere.com) Received: from khmere.com (adsl-216-100-224-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.100.224.114]) by ns3.khmere.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA38995; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:42:02 GMT Message-ID: <3857E170.D6414AB7@khmere.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:44:00 -0800 From: nathan Reply-To: nathan@penguincomputing.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.3.33 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Tasha Zahn , freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better References: <19991215162832.20587.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry to bother you all. I have watched this and mostly have been very quiet ! (plus laughing non-stop) So I am going to get a piece of this........ I would have to disagree with your position ! I think that if she is " All About People " then she should maybe find something like a "CLUE" ! I was insulted and think that she deserves all that she is getting. It is clear that if it was a real posting than she did not even try to do any homework what so ever. So it is very bad to say that you are "All About People" and then just disregard them ! If she was unsure then she should have posted her "job" like a question. Maybe even asking what is the going rate for a FreeBSD admin. But then she would have had to understand and learn about people (we can't have that now...... can we ) So as per your advice I am cc ' ng her this message with holiday a cheer ...... and if she is a good girl that maybe Santa will bring her a CLUE ! happy holidays !! bye bye nathan Duaa Elzeney wrote: > For one, I am ashamed to call myself one of the human > race after the cruelty that I witnessed yesterday > towards Tasha Zahn. > > Would it not have been possible to have sent Tasha a > private e-mail advising her, in a compassionate way, > to modify the details of this position? > > And we call ourselves adults? Why can we not show > some kindness? Why must we always be such > self-centered beings? > > With this e-mail, I do hope discussions on this topic > is put to a positive close. --Duaa > --- Tasha Zahn wrote: > > Greetings! > > > > I am in Eugene, OR and am looking for someone in the > > area to fill the > > following position. Here are the details. I am > > the Employment > > Specialist at All About People, an agency that works > > with skilled, > > professional personnel (www.allaboutpeople.com). > > One of the divisions > > in which we work is computers. I currently have a > > part time job opening > > in Eugene for > > someone who is extremely proficient using FreeBSD. > > The job entails > > working at an information services company getting > > their server up and > > running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it about > > once every month. > > Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 and > > $16 per hour. If > > you are interested, please send me a resume in Word > > format w/ some > > details about your experience. Feel free to give me > > a call w/ any > > questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! > > > > -Tasha Zahn > > > begin:vcard > > n:Zahn;Tasha > > tel;fax:541.683.7863 > > tel;work:541.683.7862 > > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > > url:www.allaboutpeople.com > > org:All About People > > adr:;;1410 Oak Street, Suite 103;Eugene;OR;97401; > > version:2.1 > > email;internet:tzahn@allaboutpeople.com > > title:Employment Specialist > > fn:Tasha Zahn > > end:vcard > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 12:33:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from s1.virt.presys.com (s1.virt.presys.com [206.100.167.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6607154EF for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:33:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tzahn@allaboutpeople.com) Received: (qmail 7736 invoked by uid 103); 15 Dec 1999 20:33:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO allaboutpeople.com) (207.48.110.22) by 206.100.167.47 with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 20:33:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3857FA19.7D5E6055@allaboutpeople.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:29:13 -0800 From: Tasha Zahn Organization: All About People X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nathan@penguincomputing.com, freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better References: <19991215162832.20587.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3857E170.D6414AB7@khmere.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0BC427135E45EF1171DB7886" Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0BC427135E45EF1171DB7886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once I get a client order in, it is my job to see if I can fill the position. In order to do so I must ask people. What on earth gives you the idea that I deserve abuse by trying to see if I can help my client? No one deserves abuse! Also, I do not set the pay scale, I convey the needs of the client to the community. If people are interested, they contact me. The job market in Eugene is very far behind those of other cities. I am faced every day with overqualified people just wanting to find a way to get into their field. There are times when I can help them do that, and that is why I love my job. In the spirit of the holidays, I strongly encourage you to act in kindness. Happy holidays, Tasha nathan wrote: > Sorry to bother you all. > > I have watched this and mostly have been very quiet ! (plus laughing > non-stop) So I am going to get a piece of this........ > > I would have to disagree with your position ! > > I think that if she is " All About People " then she should maybe find > something like a "CLUE" ! I was insulted and think that she deserves > all that she is getting. It is clear that if it was a real posting than > she did not even try to do any homework what so ever. So it is very bad > to say that you are "All About People" and then just disregard them ! > > If she was unsure then she should have posted her "job" like a question. > Maybe even asking what is the going rate for a FreeBSD admin. But then > she would have had to understand and learn about people (we can't have > that now...... can we ) So as per your advice I am cc ' ng her this > message with holiday a cheer ...... and if she is a good girl that maybe > Santa will bring her a CLUE ! > > happy holidays !! bye bye > > nathan > > Duaa Elzeney wrote: > > > For one, I am ashamed to call myself one of the human > > race after the cruelty that I witnessed yesterday > > towards Tasha Zahn. > > > > Would it not have been possible to have sent Tasha a > > private e-mail advising her, in a compassionate way, > > to modify the details of this position? > > > > And we call ourselves adults? Why can we not show > > some kindness? Why must we always be such > > self-centered beings? > > > > With this e-mail, I do hope discussions on this topic > > is put to a positive close. --Duaa > > --- Tasha Zahn wrote: > > > Greetings! > > > > > > I am in Eugene, OR and am looking for someone in the > > > area to fill the > > > following position. Here are the details. I am > > > the Employment > > > Specialist at All About People, an agency that works > > > with skilled, > > > professional personnel (www.allaboutpeople.com). > > > One of the divisions > > > in which we work is computers. I currently have a > > > part time job opening > > > in Eugene for > > > someone who is extremely proficient using FreeBSD. > > > The job entails > > > working at an information services company getting > > > their server up and > > > running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it about > > > once every month. > > > Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 and > > > $16 per hour. If > > > you are interested, please send me a resume in Word > > > format w/ some > > > details about your experience. Feel free to give me > > > a call w/ any > > > questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! > > > > > > -Tasha Zahn > > > > begin:vcard > > > n:Zahn;Tasha > > > tel;fax:541.683.7863 > > > tel;work:541.683.7862 > > > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > > > url:www.allaboutpeople.com > > > org:All About People > > > adr:;;1410 Oak Street, Suite 103;Eugene;OR;97401; > > > version:2.1 > > > email;internet:tzahn@allaboutpeople.com > > > title:Employment Specialist > > > fn:Tasha Zahn > > > end:vcard > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message --------------0BC427135E45EF1171DB7886 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="tzahn.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Tasha Zahn Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="tzahn.vcf" begin:vcard n:Zahn;Tasha tel;fax:541.683.7863 tel;work:541.683.7862 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.allaboutpeople.com org:All About People adr:;;1410 Oak Street, Suite 103;Eugene;OR;97401; version:2.1 email;internet:tzahn@allaboutpeople.com title:Employment Specialist fn:Tasha Zahn end:vcard --------------0BC427135E45EF1171DB7886-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 12:40:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from portjeff.net (mail.portjeff.net [207.198.250.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938EC155BB for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:40:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pdlug@portjeff.net) Received: from portjeff.net [209.185.179.166] by portjeff.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A94D5901A2; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:52:45 +0000 Message-ID: <3857FE01.EA346F15@portjeff.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:45:53 -0500 From: Paul Dlug X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tasha Zahn Cc: nathan@penguincomputing.com, freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better References: <19991215162832.20587.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3857E170.D6414AB7@khmere.com> <3857FA19.7D5E6055@allaboutpeople.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One could argue that part of this would be to help the client determine their needs, see that their requirements are unrealistic or find a more appropriate channel in which to pursue talent. This mailing list would not be the appropriate place for a low priced position such as the one posted, you would be best advised to know your target audience. In this case you have no only not helped your client, you've left a bad impression on a possible source of future talent. --Paul Tasha Zahn wrote: > Once I get a client order in, it is my job to see if I can fill the > position. In order to do so I must ask people. What on earth gives you the > idea that I deserve abuse by trying to see if I can help my client? No one > deserves abuse! Also, I do not set the pay scale, I convey the needs of the > client to the community. If people are interested, they contact me. The > job market in Eugene is very far behind those of other cities. I am faced > every day with overqualified people just wanting to find a way to get into > their field. There are times when I can help them do that, and that is why > I love my job. In the spirit of the holidays, I strongly encourage you to > act in kindness. > > Happy holidays, > Tasha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 12:54:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 88171155C0; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:54:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: tzahn@allaboutpeople.com Cc: nathan@penguincomputing.com, freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3857FA19.7D5E6055@allaboutpeople.com> (message from Tasha Zahn on Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:29:13 -0800) Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better Message-Id: <19991215205427.88171155C0@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:54:27 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tasha, allow me to apologize for the treatment that you have received on our mailing lists. it is inexcusable for people to be treated so very callously. the lists here are rather freewheeling. we talk/write to each other in ways that not appropriate for use with people that are new to the community. my sincerest apologies. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 13:15:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from purgatory.openport.com (bob.openport.com [208.219.70.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE13E155E5 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bcarrino@openport.com) Received: from openport.com (IDENT:bcarrino@[192.168.125.3]) by purgatory.openport.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29354 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:15:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38580566.CE38B687@openport.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:17:26 -0600 From: "Bradley J. Carrino" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-ac5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better References: <19991215162832.20587.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3857E170.D6414AB7@khmere.com> <3857FA19.7D5E6055@allaboutpeople.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Group, I am sorry to see this behavior over a simple job posting. Those that are on the list have to expect the good and the bad. Of all the lists I am on, I can say half the emails are 'worth my reading and replying'. There are things that will never pertain to you. Tasha's description was rather hard to grasp as realistic. However, every company is looking for an all knowing Oz that they can pay minimum wage. Those responses that were respectful should be welcomed by Tasha, but those that are malicious are in no way appropriate. Guide those that need to know. There is no need to assult a bad post for the lack of knowledge. The corrilary to this is that Tasha, and other recruiters on the list should be aware of what is expected. If they are unsure, ask. If she were to post another job offer with 'unreasonable' requirments... then we can ask that she never post again. Since it is clear she IS a recruiter, she may have that job one of us may want. (not particularly this one) I hope this attack does not prevent her from posting others, after doing more research. However, we should not expect commentary from her on her clients request, just discression in what she posts. Kindest Regards, Bradley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 14: 2:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D82815394 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24165; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:02:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA42742; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:02:20 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Paul Dlug Cc: Tasha Zahn , nathan@penguincomputing.com, freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better Message-ID: <19991215140220.B12194@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19991215162832.20587.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3857E170.D6414AB7@khmere.com> <3857FA19.7D5E6055@allaboutpeople.com> <3857FE01.EA346F15@portjeff.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3857FE01.EA346F15@portjeff.net>; from pdlug@portjeff.net on Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 03:45:53PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This mailing list would not be the appropriate place for a low priced > position such as the one posted, you would be best advised to know your > target audience. In this case you have no only not helped your client, > you've left a bad impression on a possible source of future talent. And what is *our* target audience? Had this job been in Sacramento,CA I would have considered it. I wouldn't mind a little temporary side job to get away from the University ivory tower (where I only make $11.50/hr.) and let my feet touch the ground for a little bit. I've had a job offer for $90k that I turned down, and I could get a heck of a lot more than was offered, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't consider it. Just look at all I for free [grep the CVS repository for "obrien" in case you don't know]. Let those on this list decided if they are interested in a position themselves. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 14: 6:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ab.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3EC153FF for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:06:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vipw@home.com) Received: from FatMan ([24.66.193.63]) by mail.rdc1.ab.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19991215220644.XJHD27330.mail.rdc1.ab.home.com@FatMan>; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:06:44 -0800 Message-ID: <02a301bf4749$241e1840$0564000a@fast.b0rk.net> From: "Adam Serediuk" To: Cc: References: <19991215205427.88171155C0@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:10:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to take the time myself to apologize for the treatment you have recieved on this mailing list. I try not to post to these lists myself(even if to help a person) due to the fact that 99% of the community on these lists(almost all lists for that matter) has a huge love of flame wars. On a closing note, if one of Tasha's clients has another job opening for a postion involving freebsd, do you think she'll consider posting to these lists again? How about other potential job agencies, if they read what has gone on regarding a simple posting for a contract freebsd admin job, I dont think they'd consider posting to this list. regards, Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan M. Bresler To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 1:54 PM Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better > > Tasha, > allow me to apologize for the treatment that you have received > on our mailing lists. it is inexcusable for people to be treated so > very callously. the lists here are rather freewheeling. we talk/write > to each other in ways that not appropriate for use with people that > are new to the community. > > my sincerest apologies. > > jmb > -- > Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG > FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ > PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 15: 6:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 13AAB155F7; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: vipw@home.com Cc: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG, tzahn@allaboutpeople.com In-reply-to: <02a301bf4749$241e1840$0564000a@fast.b0rk.net> (vipw@home.com) Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better Message-Id: <19991215230621.13AAB155F7@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:06:21 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adam, People vary greatly in their abilities. Some work on the NFS system and some work on DNS, yet we are all part of the same community. As members of a community, we must treat each other within the bounds of the community's norms. Several people failed to recognize that Tasha is new to these mailing lists and treated her poorly. I sincerely hope that the actions of a few individuals not mistaken for those of all. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB > > I would like to take the time myself to apologize for the treatment you > have recieved on this mailing list. I try not to post to these lists > myself(even if to help a person) due to the fact that 99% of the community > on these lists(almost all lists for that matter) has a huge love of flame > wars. On a closing note, if one of Tasha's clients has another job opening > for a postion involving freebsd, do you think she'll consider posting to > these lists again? How about other potential job agencies, if they read what > has gone on regarding a simple posting for a contract freebsd admin job, I > dont think they'd consider posting to this list. > > regards, > Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 15:44:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.originative.co.uk (no-dns-yet.demon.co.uk [194.217.50.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43756155F1 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:44:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: from originative.co.uk (tiddler.originative.co.uk [194.217.50.235]) by mail.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2C57C59; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:44:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <3858283D.5BB0F944@originative.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:46:05 +0000 From: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bradley J. Carrino" Cc: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better References: <19991215162832.20587.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3857E170.D6414AB7@khmere.com> <3857FA19.7D5E6055@allaboutpeople.com> <38580566.CE38B687@openport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think people should bear in mind that not everyone with FreeBSD experience is earning three figure sums per hour. When I started working on FreeBSD I was earning the equivalent of $6400 a year. I would have jumped at the chance to earn some extra money using my FreeBSD skills in a part time job. Although I'm now quite expensive to hire I still remember where I started out from and this is by no means a ridiculous job offer from my perspective. It's also worth bearing in mind that this is an international project. What seems like a pittance to some folks on the West coast of the USA is a reasonable wage, or even a good wage in some parts of the world. While that is not necessarily relevant in this case, since the job was in OR, people should remember that this is also an international mailing list. This list serves an useful function in that it provides an avenue for those who have jobs to offer to get in contact with FreeBSD users who may be willing to offer their expertise. Let's not tarnish this service by filling this list with rashly expressed views. Paul Richards Ex FreeBSD Core Team member and Ex University Research Associate Currently well paid IT consultant :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 19:10:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [165.87.194.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB221508C for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:10:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from placej@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net. ([166.72.224.122]) by prserv.net (out4) with ESMTP id <1999121603100323903ov866e>; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:10:03 +0000 Received: (from placej@localhost) by ibm.net. (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA00489 for jobs@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:10:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from placej) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:10:01 -0500 From: "John C. Place" To: jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better Message-ID: <19991215221001.A383@attglobal.net> Reply-To: "John C. Place" Mail-Followup-To: jobs@freebsd.org References: <19991215162832.20587.qmail@web121.yahoomail.com> <3857E170.D6414AB7@khmere.com> <3857FA19.7D5E6055@allaboutpeople.com> <3857FE01.EA346F15@portjeff.net> <19991215140220.B12194@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19991215140220.B12194@dragon.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:02:20PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:02:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > This mailing list would not be the appropriate place for a low priced > > position such as the one posted, you would be best advised to know your > > target audience. In this case you have no only not helped your client, > > you've left a bad impression on a possible source of future talent. > > And what is *our* target audience? Had this job been in Sacramento,CA I > would have considered it. I wouldn't mind a little temporary side job to > get away from the University ivory tower (where I only make $11.50/hr.) > and let my feet touch the ground for a little bit. > I am glad some one said this (I was afraid to because of the heat) I too would have considered it for what it sounds like. Getting paid to play, though some would say their time is worth more than that (and probably right) there is something to be said for seting something like that up and calling it your own. No matter what it paid you. I am currently making the *close* to the same wage on a P/T supporting a couple of sun boxes connected to a T1. The reason I do this is 2 fold. One I get a place to do some personal projects hooked up to a T1 for free. Also because I am wanting to prove a point to a group of people I work with at my *real* job I am replacing their systems with FreeBSD boxes... It is more of a labor of love than actully work. And yes I realize I am in the red as time goes. That is a personal decsion. > I've had a job offer for $90k that I turned down, and I could get a heck > of a lot more than was offered, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't consider > it. Just look at all I for free [grep the CVS repository for "obrien" in > case you don't know]. > even better point, Though I cannot make that same claim (the grep part) > Let those on this list decided if they are interested in a position > themselves. > To add to that a bit... For a person in School or starting out it is good expirence (and FreeBSD is a wonderful learning platform). It is not taking away from any one else. The "big gunns" will stay away becaue of $$ and the fact they have no time. Unless it is a little more personal (see above). I have been reading this list for some time and have seen similar offers, why pick this one to flame? I guess the fact that this person is an alleged "head hunter" which are held in the same reguard as pond scum in some circles. The thing that irks me a bit is that the great "flame war" broke out over the almighty dollar. This on a platform that has the most "open" license there is. I just suprised me to see such a passionate argument over a matter of money. I hold the folks that frequent these lists in a higher reguard... I should hope this was a fluke. Just my 2 cents Thanks for reading John John C. Place Systems Specialist CTC Distribution Direct - York, PA placej@ctcdist.com Those who don't know UNIX are doomed to reinvent it... Poorly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Dec 15 21: 5:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from moose.tgsoft.com (cx20270-a.pwy1.sdca.home.com [24.0.169.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CCDB154FF for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@squirrel.tgsoft.com) Received: (qmail 64508 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1999 05:05:32 -0000 Received: from squirrel.tgsoft.com (HELO ?172.16.1.6?) (172.16.1.6) by moose.tgsoft.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 05:05:32 -0000 X-Sender: mark@moose Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:05:26 -0800 To: jobs@freebsd.org From: mark thompson Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:02:20PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: >> > This mailing list would not be the appropriate place for a low priced >> > position such as the one posted, you would be best advised to know your >> > target audience. In this case you have no only not helped your client, >> > you've left a bad impression on a possible source of future talent. >> >> And what is *our* target audience? Had this job been in Sacramento,CA I >> would have considered it. I wouldn't mind a little temporary side job to >> get away from the University ivory tower (where I only make $11.50/hr.) >> and let my feet touch the ground for a little bit. >> >I am glad some one said this (I was afraid to because of the heat) I too >would have considered it for what it sounds like. Getting paid to play, >though some would say their time is worth more than that (and probably right) >there is something to be said for seting something like that up and calling >it your own. No matter what it paid you. > >I am currently making the *close* to the same wage on a P/T supporting a >couple of sun boxes connected to a T1. The reason I do this is 2 fold. One I >get a place to do some personal projects hooked up to a T1 for free. Also >because I am wanting to prove a point to a group of people I work with at my >*real* job I am replacing their systems with FreeBSD boxes... It is more of a >labor of love than actully work. And yes I realize I am in the red as time >goes. That is a personal decsion. > Hmmm... i have followed up a couple of leads on this list; when they were looking for contractors; and my experience is that there are *a lot* of people who will take jobs at well below the 'prevailing rate'. In fact, when i asked the last fellow how the contractor hunt had gone (since he didn't take me up on my offer) he said he had found someone who would work *for free*. Hmmph. No way i could compete with that. -mark p.s. Of course, it wouldn't do a headhunter much good, either To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Dec 16 0:35:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from webweaving.org (dialfwn18.fwn.rug.nl [129.125.32.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29978150FD for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:35:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@webweaving.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01243; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:26:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from n_hibma@webweaving.org) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:26:41 +0100 (CET) From: Nick Hibma Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Paul Dlug , Tasha Zahn , nathan@penguincomputing.com, freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A (new) New View // a cast to give better In-Reply-To: <19991215140220.B12194@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Let those on this list decided if they are interested in a position > themselves. This is I think the main point. Second, if you want to flame people, flame them in your own spare time. But don't forget to offer help as well, when you do so. You might actually get an apology and improved offer back (see the archives on someone posting the same message several times). Nick -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Dec 16 10:10: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.khmere.com (216-59-86-175.usa2.flashcom.net [216.59.86.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E661A15681 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:09:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nathan@khmere.com) Received: from khmere.com (adsl-216-100-224-114.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.100.224.114]) by ns3.khmere.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA40800; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:09:48 GMT Message-ID: <38592B64.66C240D7@khmere.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:11:48 -0800 From: nathan Reply-To: nathan@penguincomputing.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.3.33 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Duaa Elzeney , jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: References: <19991216171513.29809.qmail@web112.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Duaa Elzeney wrote: > Nathan, > > For your sake, I do hope that one day you will face > experiences that will leave you at the mercy of > others. Then, maybe you will realize the need of > consideration for someone other than yourself. > > Believe me, this has nothing to do with "the Christmas > spirit"--I am not even Christian. > > Very sincerely, > Duaa > --- nathan wrote: > > Sorry to bother you all. > > > > I have watched this and mostly have been very quiet > > ! (plus laughing > > non-stop) So I am going to get a piece of > > this........ > > > > I would have to disagree with your position ! > > > > I think that if she is " All About People " then > > she should maybe find > > something like a "CLUE" ! I was insulted and think > > that she deserves > > all that she is getting. It is clear that if it was > > a real posting than > > she did not even try to do any homework what so > > ever. So it is very bad > > to say that you are "All About People" and then just > > disregard them ! > > > > If she was unsure then she should have posted her > > "job" like a question. > > Maybe even asking what is the going rate for a > > FreeBSD admin. But then > > she would have had to understand and learn about > > people (we can't have > > that now...... can we ) So as per your advice I am > > cc ' ng her this > > message with holiday a cheer ...... and if she is a > > good girl that maybe > > Santa will bring her a CLUE ! > > > > happy holidays !! bye bye > > > > nathan > > > > Duaa Elzeney wrote: > > > > > For one, I am ashamed to call myself one of the > > human > > > race after the cruelty that I witnessed yesterday > > > towards Tasha Zahn. > > > > > > Would it not have been possible to have sent Tasha > > a > > > private e-mail advising her, in a compassionate > > way, > > > to modify the details of this position? > > > > > > And we call ourselves adults? Why can we not show > > > some kindness? Why must we always be such > > > self-centered beings? > > > > > > With this e-mail, I do hope discussions on this > > topic > > > is put to a positive close. --Duaa > > > --- Tasha Zahn wrote: > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > I am in Eugene, OR and am looking for someone in > > the > > > > area to fill the > > > > following position. Here are the details. I > > am > > > > the Employment > > > > Specialist at All About People, an agency that > > works > > > > with skilled, > > > > professional personnel (www.allaboutpeople.com). > > > > One of the divisions > > > > in which we work is computers. I currently have > > a > > > > part time job opening > > > > in Eugene for > > > > someone who is extremely proficient using > > FreeBSD. > > > > The job entails > > > > working at an information services company > > getting > > > > their server up and > > > > running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it > > about > > > > once every month. > > > > Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 > > and > > > > $16 per hour. If > > > > you are interested, please send me a resume in > > Word > > > > format w/ some > > > > details about your experience. Feel free to > > give me > > > > a call w/ any > > > > questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! > > > > > > > > -Tasha Zahn > > > > > begin:vcard > > > > n:Zahn;Tasha > > > > tel;fax:541.683.7863 > > > > tel;work:541.683.7862 > > > > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > > > > url:www.allaboutpeople.com > > > > org:All About People > > > > adr:;;1410 Oak Street, Suite > > 103;Eugene;OR;97401; > > > > version:2.1 > > > > email;internet:tzahn@allaboutpeople.com > > > > title:Employment Specialist > > > > fn:Tasha Zahn > > > > end:vcard > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All > > in one place. > > > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the > > message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the > > message > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com Oh.... Lighten up ! like she really cares what we say ! I doubt that she even remembers what was posted and I doubt that she feels "abused". This whole thing was kinda like a fun little game where people made fun and talked about her poor post. As a matter of fact I don't remember any time so many paople posted to this list (and I have been a member for a long time) later nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Dec 16 10:54:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from luna.lyris.net (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0231115174 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kip@lyris.com) Received: from luna.shelby.com by luna.lyris.net (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id KAA17294; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from (luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6]) by luna.shelby.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.50); Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:53:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kip Macy To: nathan@penguincomputing.com Cc: Duaa Elzeney , jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <38592B64.66C240D7@khmere.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SMTP-HELO: luna X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: kip@lyris.com X-SMTP-RCPT-TO: nathan@penguincomputing.com,duaaelzeney@yahoo.com,jobs@FreeBSD.ORG X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: luna.shelby.com [207.90.155.6] Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Move on with your lives. -Kip On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, nathan wrote: > Duaa Elzeney wrote: > > > Nathan, > > > > For your sake, I do hope that one day you will face > > experiences that will leave you at the mercy of > > others. Then, maybe you will realize the need of > > consideration for someone other than yourself. > > > > Believe me, this has nothing to do with "the Christmas > > spirit"--I am not even Christian. > > > > Very sincerely, > > Duaa > > --- nathan wrote: > > > Sorry to bother you all. > > > > > > I have watched this and mostly have been very quiet > > > ! (plus laughing > > > non-stop) So I am going to get a piece of > > > this........ > > > > > > I would have to disagree with your position ! > > > > > > I think that if she is " All About People " then > > > she should maybe find > > > something like a "CLUE" ! I was insulted and think > > > that she deserves > > > all that she is getting. It is clear that if it was > > > a real posting than > > > she did not even try to do any homework what so > > > ever. So it is very bad > > > to say that you are "All About People" and then just > > > disregard them ! > > > > > > If she was unsure then she should have posted her > > > "job" like a question. > > > Maybe even asking what is the going rate for a > > > FreeBSD admin. But then > > > she would have had to understand and learn about > > > people (we can't have > > > that now...... can we ) So as per your advice I am > > > cc ' ng her this > > > message with holiday a cheer ...... and if she is a > > > good girl that maybe > > > Santa will bring her a CLUE ! > > > > > > happy holidays !! bye bye > > > > > > nathan > > > > > > Duaa Elzeney wrote: > > > > > > > For one, I am ashamed to call myself one of the > > > human > > > > race after the cruelty that I witnessed yesterday > > > > towards Tasha Zahn. > > > > > > > > Would it not have been possible to have sent Tasha > > > a > > > > private e-mail advising her, in a compassionate > > > way, > > > > to modify the details of this position? > > > > > > > > And we call ourselves adults? Why can we not show > > > > some kindness? Why must we always be such > > > > self-centered beings? > > > > > > > > With this e-mail, I do hope discussions on this > > > topic > > > > is put to a positive close. --Duaa > > > > --- Tasha Zahn wrote: > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > I am in Eugene, OR and am looking for someone in > > > the > > > > > area to fill the > > > > > following position. Here are the details. I > > > am > > > > > the Employment > > > > > Specialist at All About People, an agency that > > > works > > > > > with skilled, > > > > > professional personnel (www.allaboutpeople.com). > > > > > One of the divisions > > > > > in which we work is computers. I currently have > > > a > > > > > part time job opening > > > > > in Eugene for > > > > > someone who is extremely proficient using > > > FreeBSD. > > > > > The job entails > > > > > working at an information services company > > > getting > > > > > their server up and > > > > > running (about 10 hours), then maintaining it > > > about > > > > > once every month. > > > > > Depending on experience, the pay is between $12 > > > and > > > > > $16 per hour. If > > > > > you are interested, please send me a resume in > > > Word > > > > > format w/ some > > > > > details about your experience. Feel free to > > > give me > > > > > a call w/ any > > > > > questions @ 541- 683-7862. Happy Holidays! > > > > > > > > > > -Tasha Zahn > > > > > > begin:vcard > > > > > n:Zahn;Tasha > > > > > tel;fax:541.683.7863 > > > > > tel;work:541.683.7862 > > > > > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > > > > > url:www.allaboutpeople.com > > > > > org:All About People > > > > > adr:;;1410 Oak Street, Suite > > > 103;Eugene;OR;97401; > > > > > version:2.1 > > > > > email;internet:tzahn@allaboutpeople.com > > > > > title:Employment Specialist > > > > > fn:Tasha Zahn > > > > > end:vcard > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All > > > in one place. > > > > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the > > > message > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the > > > message > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > Oh.... Lighten up ! like she really cares what we say ! > > > I doubt that she even remembers what was posted and I doubt that she > feels "abused". This whole thing was kinda like a fun little game where > people made fun and talked about her poor post. As a matter of fact I > don't remember any time so many paople posted to this list (and I have > been a member for a long time) > > > later > > nathan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Fri Dec 17 8:33:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF0914CD4; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23771; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:33:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: linux in the schools (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know its not alot of money, but its practically a volunteer position, so if anyone in the New York City area is interested, let me know or contact lucia@lrw.net the second thing on here is a chance to semi-wire a school, and start them out with FreeBSD possibly, they are currently thinking of using linux, but I assume that they will probably use whatever the volunteer advises them to. ;) -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:20:42 -0500 (EST) From: Lucia Ruedenberg Wright To: Pat Lynch Cc: Randy Wright Subject: linux in the schools Hi Pat - you spoke up at today's panel on linux in the schools, thinking you might know of someone who could take a sysadmin position for a while to help out the alternative school district convert their schools labs to linux. Randy thinks that there is money for such a position at around $40,000/year. If you think you can find somebody who would be interested, please contact us and I'll forward the info on to Shantanu Saha, the systems engineer there. also, if you are interested in helping Jack Giordano at VTC (Vocational Training Center) let me know. You can check out the website with contact info and school needs: http://lxk12.org You can contact Jack at 718-289-5746 Tell him you got the number from me and are interested in helping out, he should update you and make a date to meet at the school. Lucia ___________________________________________________________ lucia@lrw.net http://www.lrw.net/~lucia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You don't stop playing because you grow old; You grow old because you stop playing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Fri Dec 17 14:42: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE021514D; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:41:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id OAA03187; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:41:09 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id OAA05428; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:41:09 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn0.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA29854; Fri, 17 Dec 99 14:41:07 PST Message-Id: <385ABC5A.55F01F73@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:42:34 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Lynch Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux in the schools (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pat Lynch wrote: > > I know its not alot of money, but its practically a volunteer position, so > if anyone in the New York City area is interested, let me know or contact > lucia@lrw.net > > the second thing on here is a chance to semi-wire a school, and start them > out with FreeBSD possibly, they are currently thinking of using linux, but > I assume that they will probably use whatever the volunteer advises them > to. ;) This is a great idea! Wait a minute, didn't somebody write a column about this not too long ago? Let me see... http://www.daemonnews.org/199901/d-advocate.html Yup, there it is: ``Find somebody who needs some help and slip them a BSD CD-ROM. Get involved with your local high school computer club, a UNIX user group, ACM chapter, IEEE society, etc. '' Close enough. What a great idea. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Mon Dec 20 13:25:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from elpaso.peoplelink.com (elpaso.peoplelink.com [209.85.131.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BD415378 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjn@peoplelink.com) Received: from peoplelink.com (ns10-hq-1.peoplelink.com [209.85.131.216]) by elpaso.peoplelink.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22809 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:27:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <385E9ECF.EE15C28B@peoplelink.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:25:35 -0800 From: Jeremy Noetzelman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jobs@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Position in Santa Monica, CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a position open for a mid level Unix Administrator (Operations Engineer to be specific about title), with a required FreeBSD skillset ... 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