From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Mar 31 17: 7: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from redbox.venux.net (redbox.venux.net [216.47.238.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F78614DB1 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:07:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matthew@venux.net) Received: from thunder (net177138.hcv.com [209.153.177.138]) by redbox.venux.net (Postfix) with SMTP for id 9444D2E20A; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:07:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990331195103.00b355a0@mail.venux.net> X-Sender: mhagerty@mail.venux.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:06:16 -0500 To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org From: Matthew Hagerty Subject: What affects text box length? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, Why is it that no matter what size font that is used, a text box length does not change? For example, if you make a form with one text box, then change the font size to say 10pt, the text in the box changes, but the length of the box stays the same. Is there anyway to have text boxes change their size in proportion to the text size? I was poking around in the code to see how the text box length was calculated, but I was soon lost :( Thanks, Matthew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Thu Apr 1 10:24:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41A014D03 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00789; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd000753; Thu Apr 1 11:23:49 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06109; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:23:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904011823.LAA06109@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: What affects text box length? To: matthew@venux.net (Matthew Hagerty) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:23:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990331195103.00b355a0@mail.venux.net> from "Matthew Hagerty" at Mar 31, 99 08:06:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Why is it that no matter what size font that is used, a text box length > does not change? For example, if you make a form with one text box, then > change the font size to say 10pt, the text in the box changes, but the > length of the box stays the same. Is there anyway to have text boxes > change their size in proportion to the text size? I was poking around in > the code to see how the text box length was calculated, but I was soon lost :( The text box size does not change because of right, left, top, and bottom attachments. This is a feature of layout. This allows elements to retain their orientation in the face of font changes. This is necessary because text based broswers run on terminals, and terminals are only capable of displaying data on character cell boundaries. The control you have is over the number of characters (do not confuse this with octets!) that the text box will accept. If you wish to change the layout, you beed to use frame/table layout. The text box will be forced to conform to the container object in which it is places. When you use larger or smaller fonts, you will cause scrolling of data within the text box. Think of the text box as a hole in the screen, with a text area of an arbitrary size: like ice fishing, the hole you cut will have no effect on how much water is or is not underneath the ice. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 2 4:45:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004F914BE2 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 04:45:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Received: from oranje.my.domain (dial-ra-nc3-17.netcologne.de [195.14.251.17]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27676; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:44:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from marc@localhost) by oranje.my.domain (8.9.1/8.9.3) id OAA00993; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:45:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:45:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199904021245.OAA00993@oranje.my.domain> From: Marc van Woerkom To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Subject: Font Settings Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear people, my impression is that the rendering quality of the fonts under FreeBSD/X11 is quite worse than the ones used under Win32. Is is to possible to increase display quality? Regards, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 2 5:40:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (news.IAE.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE1014CB3 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:40:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with IAEhv.nl id PAA25357; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:40:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06349; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:38:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199904021338.PAA06349@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marc van Woerkom Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Font Settings In-reply-to: van.woerkom's message of Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:45:37 +0200. <199904021245.OAA00993@oranje.my.domain> Reply-To: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:38:32 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Dear people, > > my impression is that the rendering quality of the fonts under > FreeBSD/X11 is quite worse than the ones used under Win32. > > Is is to possible to increase display quality? > Use the true type font renderer for X, in theory this should give you better results as they also use the hints in the fonts. The type1 rasterer doesn't use hints, and thus looks bad in low resolutions. I have not yet tried the true type font Server, so let us know. Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 2 6:41:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC2814BDE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 06:41:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Received: from oranje.my.domain (dial6-113.netcologne.de [194.8.196.113]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03862; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:40:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from marc@localhost) by oranje.my.domain (8.9.1/8.9.3) id QAA01199; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:41:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:41:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199904021441.QAA01199@oranje.my.domain> From: Marc van Woerkom To: marc@bowtie.nl Cc: van.woerkom@netcologne.de, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199904021338.PAA06349@bowtie.nl> (message from Marc van Kempen on Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:38:32 +0200) Subject: Re: Font Settings Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for this hint! > Use the true type font renderer for X, in theory this should give > you better results as they also use the hints in the fonts. Doesn't that imply that I need true type fonts? Are there free ones or do I have to take some from a Windows distribution? > The type1 rasterer doesn't use hints, and thus looks bad in low > resolutions. The fonts scale bad. One size seems fine, most others look not smooth at all. Regards, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 2 7: 0:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (news.IAE.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC4714F62 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:00:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with IAEhv.nl id RAA04672; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:00:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07113; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:59:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199904021459.QAA07113@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marc van Woerkom Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Font Settings In-reply-to: van.woerkom's message of Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:41:11 +0200. <199904021441.QAA01199@oranje.my.domain> Reply-To: marc@bowtie.nl Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:59:20 +0200 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Thanks for this hint! > > > Use the true type font renderer for X, in theory this should give > > you better results as they also use the hints in the fonts. > > Doesn't that imply that I need true type fonts? > Are there free ones or do I have to take some from a Windows > distribution? > I believe there are a lot of free ones, there must be links, see the ports collection. > > > The type1 rasterer doesn't use hints, and thus looks bad in low > > resolutions. > > The fonts scale bad. One size seems fine, most others look not > smooth at all. > This might be a problem with your fontpath, the old Xservers used the first font they would find, if this would be a scalable one, you would get only scalable fonts, regardless if you happened to have a bitmap font for a particalur resolution (which would look much better). Or vice versa, depending upon which font was found first. They have fixed that now, and you can specify :unscaled for a particular directory to let the xserver know that it should not try to scale these fonts when it has the same font in a scalable version. My fontpath looks like this: FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc.sgi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fo nts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Sp eedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1.sgi,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc.sgi,/usr/X11R6/lib /X11/fonts/75dpi,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 2 8: 5:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7EA14C89 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Received: from oranje.my.domain (dial4-80.netcologne.de [195.14.233.80]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07559; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:05:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from marc@localhost) by oranje.my.domain (8.9.1/8.9.3) id SAA01325; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:05:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:05:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199904021605.SAA01325@oranje.my.domain> From: Marc van Woerkom To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Cc: jwz@jwz.org Subject: jwz resigns from mozilla.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sad news, folks: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/nomo.html ("resignation and postmortem") Certain quotes that hit the nail: > The truth is that, by virtue of the fact that the contributors to the Mozilla > project included about a hundred full-time Netscape developers, and about thirty > part-time outsiders, the project still belonged wholly to Netscape -- because only > those who write the code truly control the project. > > And here we are, a year later. And we haven't even shipped a beta yet. I myself was very excited when I heard about the opening of the source at that time, and was certainly interested in sinking my teeth into it. But this never happened, because for some reason I felt uneasy with the idea. And I never had the impression that there was something like a FreeBSD related effort that could be joined -maybe it showed up somewhere at mozilla.org, but it did not show up here, where it matters to me- at the same time I have neither knowledge nor time to dare ignite something myself. Compare this situation to the JDK porting effort. The source was from a big company too and not trivial. Why did this went off the ground? Compare it also to egcs. General egcs stuff is done in the proximity of Cygnus, now that egcs has reached a certain critical quality the import into the FreeBSD-current source tree took place. Now there will be a general focus and an OS specific focus of developement. For my part it is more attractive to start the OS focus, because I have immediate rewards, I have a working app on my OS, maybe later, when more familiar with the thing, it might be possible for me to participate in the general, harder development, now rooted in secure soil. > Excuse #2: > People only really contribute when they get something out of it. > When someone is first beginning to contribute, they especially need to > see some kind of payback, some kind of positive reinforcement, right > away. For example, if someone were running a web browser, then stopped, > added a simple new command to the source, recompiled, and had that same > web browser plus their addition, they would be motivated to do this again, > and possibly to tackle even larger projects. > > We never got there. We never distributed the source code to a working > web browser, more importantly, to the web browser that people were actually using. > We didn't release the source code to the most-previous-release of Netscape > Navigator: instead, we released what we had at the time, which had a number > of incomplete features, and lots and lots of bugs. And of course we weren't > able to release any Java or crypto code at all. > > What we released was a large pile of interesting code, but it didn't much > resemble something you could actually use. How else should one try to make one self familiar with a huge code base? Of course you try to make it run, then try to fix little bugs, then try too make smaller improvements, then larger and larger ones. In a similiar situation at my work, where I was faced with a huge client/server project, it took two months until I had the understanding and techniques together to hunt down simpler problems (i.e. ones that needed only understanding of several of the hundreds modules). Exponential learning curve so to say. Yes and indeed the JDK is much more complete than Mozilla. The holes in the release were depressing. > Excuse #5: > Netscape failed to follow through on their own plans. During 1998, Netscape > sunk a huge amount of engineering effort into doing the 4.5 release: working > on a dead-end proprietary code base, the source of which would never be > released to the world, and would never benefit from open source development. > This was a huge blow to the Mozilla project, since for the first half of the > year, we weren't even getting full-time participation from Netscape. > > This isn't even so much an excuse as a stupid, terrible mistake, considering > we should have learned our lessons about doing parallel development like this > in the past, with the abortive ``Javagator'' project. This expressed not much trust from Netscape. I can understand that pressure is extreme. The first Navigator release that is based on open code must show that is of comparable quality than the previous commercial releases, to demonstrate that the decison about going open was right, plus it must have improvements. Again I see a similarity with my job, where we took over development and promised not only to keep the quality but to do it better and this under a very ridicilous time frame. In this situation you need a very good relationship of trust with management because it is clear that with normal encouragement deadlines will never meet - but who puts in 60-80 hours a week for months when he has not full backup by management? (So you can guess what similiar step I took :) > But despite all this, in the last year, we did not accomplish the goals > that I wanted to accomplish. We did not take the Mozilla project and turn > it into a network-collaborative project in which Netscape was but one of > many contributors; and we did not ship end-user software. > For me, shipping is the thing. I don't know the present state, but maybe it would have been more wise to release something that remotely works with a 5.0 label. Just to ensure the world that you seriously do the development process this way. Jamie, I thank you and wish you the best - you will be missed! Regards from Cologne, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Apr 7 19: 1:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from bab71-131.optonline.net (bab71-131.optonline.net [167.206.71.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF1C1562E for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:01:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@postpagan.com) Received: from postpagan.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bab71-131.optonline.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00858 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:00:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pete@postpagan.com) Message-ID: <370C0DC1.6A548B6C@postpagan.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:00:36 -0400 From: pete collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Subject: alive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG just checking to see if this list is alive tried to cvsup the mozilla sources and got an error Unknown collection "mozilla-cvs" any thoughts? thanks pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Apr 7 19:43:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A7014EB0 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:43:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA13212 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:42:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:42:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Subject: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I would like to know the current state of the compilation effort of Mozilla under FreeBSD... I did not found anything on the web.... thanx! When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I can't witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Apr 7 19:47:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from ocswd.ocsny.com (ocswd.ocsny.com [204.107.76.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E7514EB0 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@postpagan.com) Received: from postpagan.com (bab71-131.optonline.net [167.206.71.131]) by ocswd.ocsny.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02994; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <370C42AB.B36A945C@postpagan.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:46:19 -0700 From: pete collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spidey Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i dont know whats going on i tried to update my sources tonight but got Unknown collection "mozilla-cvs" hmmm if things are dead here we need to start making them alive we need a solid port for mozilla on freebsd later Spidey wrote: > Hi! > > I would like to know the current state of the compilation effort of > Mozilla under FreeBSD... I did not found anything on the web.... > > thanx! > > When a man lies he murders some part of the world > These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives > All this I can't witness any longer > Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Apr 7 21: 3:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500DA15245 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22324; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:01:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd022301; Wed Apr 7 21:01:28 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14478; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:01:27 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904080401.VAA14478@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: alive To: pete@postpagan.com (pete collins) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:01:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <370C0DC1.6A548B6C@postpagan.com> from "pete collins" at Apr 7, 99 10:00:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > just checking to see if this list is alive > > tried to cvsup the mozilla sources and got an error > > Unknown collection "mozilla-cvs" > > any thoughts? You need to get the source from the Mozilla people. They have it under public source control now. The reason for the FreeBSD alias was that it wasn't under public source control, so there was no place to get changes checked in in the public project. The FreeBSD stuff doesn't mirror this because CVSup is not currently capable of brining in a main branch from a remote CVS as a vendor branch on the local CVS. Yes, I've suggested this extension to CVSup to the author. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Apr 7 21: 6:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C6A15122 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:06:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA45478; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:05:01 -0600 Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpd_7Kkaa; Wed Apr 7 22:04:59 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14546; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:03:44 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904080403.VAA14546@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... To: beaupran@jsp.umontreal.ca Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 04:03:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Spidey" at Apr 7, 99 11:42:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I would like to know the current state of the compilation effort of > Mozilla under FreeBSD... I did not found anything on the web.... There are a number of compilation machines, including a FreeBSD Alpha machine, being maintained by Jordan Hubbard for Mozilla compilation under FreeBSD. I believe a number of the reference boxes at Netscape itself are FreeBSD coxes as well. Jordan's Alpha was recently discussed on the -advocacy list. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Apr 7 21:38:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50116152FD for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.92 #8) for freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG id 10V6YX-0007av-00; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:36:45 -0700 Received: from localhost by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA09018; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:36:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 21:36:41 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199904080403.VAA14546@usr05.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As long as we're discussing the state of Mozilla on FreeBSD; could we get the port & package updated to a more recent snapshot for those folks that don't want to try to keep up with the CVS tree? (The tarball used by the port is almost a year old.) -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Apr 7 22: 5: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3185152B3 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA13717; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:08:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 00:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: pete collins Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... In-Reply-To: <370C42AB.B36A945C@postpagan.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, pete collins wrote: > i dont know whats going on > > i tried to update my sources tonight > but got Unknown collection "mozilla-cvs" isn't it cvs-mozilla? > hmmm > > if things are dead here we need to start making them alive > > we need a solid port for mozilla on freebsd is it possible to simply have a solid mozilla port??? but I agree, and I'm trying to compile the current, right now. > later > > Spidey wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I would like to know the current state of the compilation effort of > > Mozilla under FreeBSD... I did not found anything on the web.... > > > > thanx! > > > > When a man lies he murders some part of the world > > These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives > > All this I can't witness any longer > > Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I can't witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed Apr 7 23: 4:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B386D153BC for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:04:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA62159; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: pete collins Cc: Spidey , freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Apr 1999 22:46:19 PDT." <370C42AB.B36A945C@postpagan.com> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:03:10 -0700 Message-ID: <62157.923551390@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The mozilla project for FreeBSD is, by all appearances, dead and it's probably high time we just nuked this mailing list and any lingering references in the handbook (I think most have been excised already). It would be a mercy killing. This may be viewed in the larger context of the Mozilla project itself being rather more moribund than expected (for details, read jwz's recent resignation letter from mozilla.org which he's published on his web site) or perhaps it's just that 99.9% of the folks in FreeBSD land choose to use one of the existing Navigator/Communicator binaries and Mozilla is essentially irrelevant to them. Who knows? What I do know is that in the year or so since the freebsd mozilla project was started, there hasn't been, well, anything in the way of interest. There has been, as George Bush might say, nothing but a large sucking sound coming from freebsd-mozilla. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Thu Apr 8 2: 3: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2159415966 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 02:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA55951; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:59:37 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:59:37 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) Message-ID: <19990408105937.M1798@shale.csir.co.za> References: <199904080403.VAA14546@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from patl@phoenix.volant.org on Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 09:36:41PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 09:36:41PM -0700, patl@phoenix.volant.org wrote: > As long as we're discussing the state of Mozilla on FreeBSD; could we > get the port & package updated to a more recent snapshot for those folks > that don't want to try to keep up with the CVS tree? (The tarball used > by the port is almost a year old.) There is going to be a Milestone 4 release in the next day or two, and that runs quite well on FreeBSD. I'll see if I can get the port updated. I've asked for separate source tarballs for their runtime code (NSPR) and the browser, since they have to be built separately, and I want to make two ports... Otherwise I'll have to make two ports using the same source tarball. Mozilla is coming along nicely despite JWZ's ranting. It's just that it's not an open source project... It's a commercial projected being conducted in the open. There are about 20 or so FreeBSD people who have made noises in the mozilla lists, and SeaMonkey (their product) is known to build and work on FreeBSD-STABLE and -CURRENT. It does not work on 2.2.x as far as I know. FreeBSD projects: *URGENT* The library (XPTCall) which allows Javascript to call their cross-platform implementation of COM (XPCOM) uses some hand coded assembly to handle vtable conversion of objects. This does not work on FreeBSD, since there is no one to write the code... http://www.mozilla.org/scriptable/xptcall-faq.html. I suspect it would be very similar to the existing Linux code, and it's only about 300 lines including the licence and comments... *NEEDED* The cross platform portability layer (NSPR) works for their threading, but needs some testing for our threads (libc_r) and for Richard's Linux threads port. There are also a few places where I think they are doing some things wrong - mostly with select() and poll() because some functions seem very slow. *NICE TO HELP* Mozilla currently has no crypto code, since they can't work on it without getting their wrists slapped (they even had to remove the MD5 code...). It would be nice if some FreeBSD people could help out. For those people who have not been following mozilla.org, they have completely dumped the old code base (used up to 4.x) and re-implemented the package in a really innovative way. Everything is based around their new layout engine (known as Gecko), which is a small, fast and standards compliant (any behaviour outside of the W3C standards is considered a bug). The layout engine has full support for Unicode. Next to this is their Javascript engine, which is tied into the C++ code using XPConnect, which allows them to script all of the modules which perform the various functions in the browser and mail/news, including the layout engine. The 'application' is really something called an AppCore, which loads a XUL (cross-platform user interface markup language?) file, which is an XML language for describing applications. This file is parsed into an Application Object Model (AOM) like the HTML DOM, and uses JavaScript to register all of the services it requires. It's appearance is controlled by CSS2 style sheets, which allow it do have 'skins'. The entire UI is then controlled via JavaScript, and can have portions (like a new menu) downloaded from the Net, allowing web sites to add menus and toolbars to the browser. There's also a bunch of stuff about "RDF datasources" which goes way over my head... As a result of all this, the browser and mail/news are about 3MB (without the debug code) and already has more functionality than the 4.x series (other than security). The unix version is currently based on GTK+, which adds extra size and slows it down... If I had more time I'd really like to write a pure XLib GFX layer, since most of the widgets are already written in XP code, but I think mozilla.org is fairly cosy with Redhat... Regards, -Jeremy -- | "Come home my prodigal son, come home and lets be one, --+-- don't want to see you cry, don't make me tell you why, | you've lived in a house with me, my blood has set you free, | in the world you'll surely die, nothing else will satisfy." -MIC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Thu Apr 8 8:53: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751B814D92 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA22473; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:50:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... In-Reply-To: <199904080403.VAA14546@usr05.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I would like to know the current state of the compilation effort of > > Mozilla under FreeBSD... I did not found anything on the web.... > > There are a number of compilation machines, including a FreeBSD > Alpha machine, being maintained by Jordan Hubbard for Mozilla > compilation under FreeBSD. is that the one in the port collection? If not, where can I find it? > I believe a number of the reference boxes at Netscape itself > are FreeBSD coxes as well. > > Jordan's Alpha was recently discussed on the -advocacy list. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > Si l'image donne l'illusion de savoir C'est que l'adage pretend que pour croire, L'important ne serait que de voir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Thu Apr 8 8:59:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from petent.ocsny.com (petent.ocsny.com [204.107.76.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E83114BCD for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:59:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by petent.ocsny.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03043; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:01:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Message-ID: <370CD2C5.BF233F2A@ocsny.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:01:09 -0400 From: pete collins Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spidey Cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG anyone know if cvsup is worikng on mozilla.FreeBSD.org ?? later pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Thu Apr 8 12:46:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC3F1511C for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.92 #8) id 10VKim-0007Bd-00; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:44:16 -0700 Received: from localhost by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA09860; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:44:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) To: Jeremy Lea Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990408105937.M1798@shale.csir.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > *NICE TO HELP* Mozilla currently has no crypto code, since they can't > work on it without getting their wrists slapped (they even had to > remove the MD5 code...). It would be nice if some FreeBSD people > could help out. What was the logic behind forcing out the MD5 code? I thought that since it's a one-way hash, the US government was pretty much OK with it. A lot of other open source products ship include it. (Like FreeBSD itself...) It sounds like once again, we need to find someone outside the US who can provide a server and maintain a crypto patch. The good news is that it should be possible to use OpenSSL for the actual crypto operations and key handling; and just need someone to implement the glue. > The 'application' is really something called an AppCore, which loads a > XUL (cross-platform user interface markup language?) file, which is an > XML language for describing applications. This file is parsed into an > Application Object Model (AOM) like the HTML DOM, and uses JavaScript to > register all of the services it requires. It's appearance is controlled > by CSS2 style sheets, which allow it do have 'skins'. The entire UI is > then controlled via JavaScript, and can have portions (like a new menu) > downloaded from the Net, allowing web sites to add menus and toolbars to > the browser. There's also a bunch of stuff about "RDF datasources" > which goes way over my head... I assume there's some way of -preventing- Web sites from mucking with the menus and toolbars? And a way to ensure that if they do, there will be some positive indication to the user that it has been done? (I shudder to think what a malicious cracker could do by replacing the menus and toolbar with another one that looks exactly the same...) > As a result of all this, the browser and mail/news are about 3MB > (without the debug code) and already has more functionality than the 4.x > series (other than security). The unix version is currently based on > GTK+, which adds extra size and slows it down... If I had more time I'd > really like to write a pure XLib GFX layer, since most of the widgets > are already written in XP code, but I think mozilla.org is fairly cosy > with Redhat... Hmm. I kind of liked the GTK+ idea on the theory that it would adapt to the same theme setting as everything else; but it sounds like it might not adapt that well anyway. I wonder how hard it would be to write a JavaScript module to translate a GTK theme description into the CSS2... -Pat P.S. As you can probably guess from the tone of my questions, I have not been following Mozilla.org; due primarily to lack of spare cycles. But I really would like to have a fully featured open source browser available for FreeBSD; if only so that I could track down the occasional crash... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Thu Apr 8 16:30:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A5914D1D for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13526; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:28:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd013498; Thu Apr 8 16:28:43 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02792; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:28:38 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199904082328.QAA02792@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) To: reg@shale.csir.co.za (Jeremy Lea) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:28:38 +0000 (GMT) Cc: patl@phoenix.volant.org, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990408105937.M1798@shale.csir.co.za> from "Jeremy Lea" at Apr 8, 99 10:59:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There is going to be a Milestone 4 release in the next day or two, and > that runs quite well on FreeBSD. I'll see if I can get the port > updated. I've asked for separate source tarballs for their runtime code > (NSPR) and the browser, since they have to be built separately, and I > want to make two ports... Otherwise I'll have to make two ports using > the same source tarball. Great! > FreeBSD projects: > *URGENT* The library (XPTCall) which allows Javascript to call their > cross-platform implementation of COM (XPCOM) uses some hand coded > assembly to handle vtable conversion of objects. This does not work > on FreeBSD, since there is no one to write the code... > http://www.mozilla.org/scriptable/xptcall-faq.html. I suspect it > would be very similar to the existing Linux code, and it's only > about 300 lines including the licence and comments... IMO, the same code issues here are the code issues with the gcc 2.8.1 exceptions patch that I sent to obrian@freebsd.org, and that was included in the (so far) ill-fated switch to the threads-unfriendly EGCS. If you fix this for Mozilla, I believe you'll have the stack unwinding information to make gcc 2.8.1 (and EGCS, such as it is) work without resorting to longjmp. > *NEEDED* The cross platform portability layer (NSPR) works for their > threading, but needs some testing for our threads (libc_r) and for > Richard's Linux threads port. There are also a few places where I > think they are doing some things wrong - mostly with select() and > poll() because some functions seem very slow. I'm pretty sure that there us a pretty serious problem with threading on systems where the threading is not serially non-preemptive. This basically means that the threaded code implementation works on Solaris, Linux, and WIN32, but fails on FreeBSD, Macintosh, and other platforms that use non-kernel threads and/or enable the cooperative user space scheduling components, if they exist on the OS. This is really a "run to completion issue"; the way it is resolved on these other OS's is that the thread runs to completion. The behaviour on the Mac and FreeBSD and other systems is that, instead of selecting the thread that was running before an involuntary context switch, come the next time slice, any ready-to-run thread is selected, and execution starts. This is most easily apparent in a JavaScript UI that uses multiple image maps with popup menus, tooltips, or static forms with JavaScript OnSubmit. The visible effect is that if you allow the images to fully download before moving the mouse (if you have motion based scripts, such as tooltips) or clicking on anything (otherwise), then the interface works; but if you don't, then the interface fails. It's possible to modify an interface (as I have discovered) to effectively serialize the image downloads. This is either a problem in thread-safety of the GIF decoder (note: IE is significantly faster, as they implement the GIF unpacking using a native implementation class), or a problem with thread resource/context locking that's missing. I'd really like to address the FreeBSD threading architecture at some time. > *NICE TO HELP* Mozilla currently has no crypto code, since they can't > work on it without getting their wrists slapped (they even had to > remove the MD5 code...). It would be nice if some FreeBSD people > could help out. Can they commit this? The person to contact is probably Mark Murray; he probably won't be able to do the work himself, but he knows what an abstract exportable framework looks like, and he might have a pointer to someone else in South Africa who would be willing to bring the thing up to compliance with the internationally distributed FreeBSD interfaces (FreeBSD crypto work goes on offshore to avoid ITAR issues). > For those people who have not been following mozilla.org, they have > completely dumped the old code base (used up to 4.x) and re-implemented > the package in a really innovative way. Everything is based around > their new layout engine (known as Gecko), which is a small, fast and > standards compliant (any behaviour outside of the W3C standards is > considered a bug). I have a small bug to report. The Gecko code, in a form that is refreshed and which contains radio buttons in a table puts the tab stop selection area to the right of the radio button instead of on the radio button itself. I can provide a copy of a form where this happens, if necessary (observed on the WIN32 version, since the FreeBSD, Mac, and Linux version are currently useless for JavaScript interface testing: the FreeBSD and Mac for the threading issues, above, and the Linux for Linux specific problems that I didn't bother to investigate fully). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Thu Apr 8 16:33:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD6A14DDE for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:33:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA65551; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: pete collins Cc: Spidey , Terry Lambert , freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:01:09 EDT." <370CD2C5.BF233F2A@ocsny.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:31:18 -0700 Message-ID: <65549.923614278@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > anyone know if cvsup is worikng on mozilla.FreeBSD.org ?? There isn't even a repository on mozilla.freebsd.org anymore. Like I said, this aspect of the project is truly dead. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Thu Apr 8 21: 8:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0FF15998 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:08:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17559; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990409000641.A17136@netmonger.net> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:06:41 -0400 From: Christopher Masto To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199904080403.VAA14546@usr05.primenet.com> <19990408105937.M1798@shale.csir.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19990408105937.M1798@shale.csir.co.za>; from Jeremy Lea on Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 10:59:37AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 10:59:37AM +0200, Jeremy Lea wrote: > There is going to be a Milestone 4 release in the next day or two, and > that runs quite well on FreeBSD. I'll see if I can get the port [...] > conducted in the open. There are about 20 or so FreeBSD people who have > made noises in the mozilla lists, and SeaMonkey (their product) is known > to build and work on FreeBSD-STABLE and -CURRENT. It does not work on > 2.2.x as far as I know. Really? I've never been able to compile it. Every couple of weeks I get the urge and the thing's a flaming mess, I get pissed off, and delete it. Last time it was internal compiler errors in GCC. Now I've got an EGCS system and willing to try again. I'm very suprised to hear that Mozilla works on FreeBSD. This list has been completely dead for as long as I can remember. I know of noone who has successfully built Mozilla on FreeBSD, let alone run it. Please share with us the incantations required. Even a binary would be nice. -- Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 9 6:10:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from petent.ocsny.com (petent.ocsny.com [204.107.76.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D62D14F20 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by petent.ocsny.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04114; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:12:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Message-ID: <370DFCD5.FDA83ECD@ocsny.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:12:53 -0400 From: pete collins Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Spidey , Terry Lambert , freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... References: <65549.923614278@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG why not? whos workin on it?(if anyone) and it going to reappear? later "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > anyone know if cvsup is worikng on mozilla.FreeBSD.org ?? > > There isn't even a repository on mozilla.freebsd.org anymore. > Like I said, this aspect of the project is truly dead. :) > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message -- Pete Collins ########################### # Escape From Carousel # ########################### To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 9 14:33:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B98115F57 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA88828; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: pete collins Cc: Spidey , Terry Lambert , freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:12:53 EDT." <370DFCD5.FDA83ECD@ocsny.com> Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:50:29 -0700 Message-ID: <88826.923691029@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > why not? whos workin on it?(if anyone) > and it going to reappear? 1. Insufficient interest. 2. Nobody. 3. Highly unlikely. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 9 14:41: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1355163EB for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by shale.csir.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06662; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:02:12 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:02:12 +0200 From: Jeremy Lea To: Christopher Masto Cc: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) Message-ID: <19990409170212.B6250@shale.csir.co.za> References: <199904080403.VAA14546@usr05.primenet.com> <19990408105937.M1798@shale.csir.co.za> <19990409000641.A17136@netmonger.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990409000641.A17136@netmonger.net>; from Christopher Masto on Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 12:06:41AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 12:06:41AM -0400, Christopher Masto wrote: > Really? I've never been able to compile it. Every couple of weeks I > get the urge and the thing's a flaming mess, I get pissed off, and > delete it. Last time it was internal compiler errors in GCC. Now > I've got an EGCS system and willing to try again. > > I'm very suprised to hear that Mozilla works on FreeBSD. This list > has been completely dead for as long as I can remember. I know of > noone who has successfully built Mozilla on FreeBSD, let alone run it. > Please share with us the incantations required. Even a binary would > be nice. I compile with the attached script, but there are two tinderboxes which build it around the clock on 3.1-REALEASE (with egcs) and 4.0-CURRENT/alpha. You need glib, ORBit and GTK+ from the ports. You also need autoconf if you change configure.in. I have one or two or 20 patches which I use, but they shouldn't affect the main build, except that there are references to glib-config, which need to be changed to glib12-config. Regards, -Jeremy -- | "I could be anything I wanted to, but one things true --+-- Never gonna be as big as Jesus, never gonna hold the world in my hand | Never gonna be as big as Jesus, never gonna build a promised land | But that's, that's all right, OK with me..." -Audio Adrenaline #!/bin/sh # export MOZILLA_CLIENT=1 export MOZ_MEDIUM=1 export NO_MDUPDATE=1 # export BUILD_OPT=1 # export USE_PTHREADS=1 MYMOZDIR=/usr/home/mozilla/mozilla export MYMOZDIR cd $MYMOZDIR MYOBJDIR=obj-`./build/autoconf/config.guess` export MYOBJDIR cd $MYMOZDIR/nsprpub gmake DIST=$MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR/dist clobber_all cd $MYMOZDIR/nsprpub/pr/tests gmake DIST=$MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR/dist clobber_all cd ../../.. rm -r $MYOBJDIR/dist rm -r $MYOBJDIR rm configure for entry in $(find . -name "*.orig" ! -path "./db/*"); do \ mv ${entry} ${entry%.orig}; \ done cd .. cvs co -A -P SeaMonkeyAll cd mozilla cat ../patches/patch-* | patch LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR/dist/bin export LD_LIBRARY_PATH autoconf -l build/autoconf mkdir -p $MYOBJDIR/dist cd $MYMOZDIR/nsprpub gmake DIST=$MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR/dist cd pr/tests gmake DIST=$MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR/dist cd ../../.. cp ../preferences.js $MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR/dist/bin/preferences.js cp ../preferences.js $MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR/dist/bin/prefs.js unset MOZILLA_CLIENT unset MOZ_MEDIUM unset NO_MDUPDATE unset BUILD_OPT unset USE_PTHREADS cd $MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR CC="cc" CXX="c++" \ CFLAGS="-O -pipe -march=pentium" GTK_CONFIG="/usr/X11R6/bin/gtk12-config" \ ../configure --enable-toolkit=gtk --enable-debug --disable-xterm-updates \ --with-nspr="$MYMOZDIR/$MYOBJDIR/dist" --with-jpeg=/usr/local --with-png=/usr/local \ --enable-editor --enable-mail-news --enable-oji --enable-tests gmake --- intl/unicharutil/tools/Makefile.in.orig Tue Mar 23 22:16:49 1999 +++ intl/unicharutil/tools/Makefile.in Tue Mar 23 22:17:25 1999 @@ -31,10 +31,10 @@ include $(topsrcdir)/config/config.mk # XXX replace with proper configure test for glib -CFLAGS += $(shell glib-config --cflags) +CFLAGS += $(shell glib12-config --cflags) # XXX need configure test -EX_LIBS = $(shell glib-config --libs) +EX_LIBS = $(shell glib12-config --libs) PROGS = $(OBJDIR)/ucgendat --- xpcom/tools/xpidl/Makefile.in.orig Tue Mar 23 22:38:48 1999 +++ xpcom/tools/xpidl/Makefile.in Tue Mar 23 22:39:25 1999 @@ -36,13 +36,13 @@ include $(topsrcdir)/config/config.mk # XXX replace with proper configure test for glib -CFLAGS += $(shell glib-config --cflags) +CFLAGS += $(shell glib12-config --cflags) # seperate out to get dependancies right LIBXPT=$(DIST)/lib/libxpt.a # XXX need configure test -EX_LIBS = -lIDL -L$(DIST)/bin $(LIBXPT) $(NSPR_LIBS) $(shell glib-config --libs) +EX_LIBS = -lIDL -L$(DIST)/bin $(LIBXPT) $(NSPR_LIBS) $(shell glib12-config --libs) PROGS = $(OBJDIR)/xpidl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Sun Apr 11 16:38:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A9414C88 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:17:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Received: from oranje.my.domain (dial-ra-nc2-244.netcologne.de [195.14.244.244]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA03789; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:22:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from marc@localhost) by oranje.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16118; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:22:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199904112022.WAA16118@oranje.my.domain> X-Authentication-Warning: oranje.my.domain: marc set sender to van.woerkom@netcologne.de using -f From: Marc van Woerkom To: reg@shale.csir.co.za Cc: patl@phoenix.volant.org, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19990408105937.M1798@shale.csir.co.za> (message from Jeremy Lea on Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:59:37 +0200) Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) Reply-To: van.woerkom@netcologne.de References: <199904080403.VAA14546@usr05.primenet.com> <19990408105937.M1798@shale.csir.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There are about 20 or so FreeBSD people who have made noises in > the mozilla lists, and SeaMonkey (their product) is known Come on folks, don't mind some cc: once in while to this list for those of us who would like to know what is going on without wading through the various mozilla lists. Thanks a lot for the information! Regards, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Sun Apr 11 16:39:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDA715465 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:17:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Received: from oranje.my.domain (dial-ra-nc2-244.netcologne.de [195.14.244.244]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA03451; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:16:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from marc@localhost) by oranje.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16086; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:16:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199904112016.WAA16086@oranje.my.domain> X-Authentication-Warning: oranje.my.domain: marc set sender to van.woerkom@netcologne.de using -f From: Marc van Woerkom To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: pete@postpagan.com, beaupran@jsp.umontreal.ca, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <62157.923551390@zippy.cdrom.com> (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... Reply-To: van.woerkom@netcologne.de References: <62157.923551390@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > web site) or perhaps it's just that 99.9% of the folks in FreeBSD land > choose to use one of the existing Navigator/Communicator binaries and > Mozilla is essentially irrelevant to them. Who knows? Yes, the existing Navigator/Communicator ports work fine, thus there was no big urge to port mozilla. A second thing is confusion: Where is the focus of activity - here or at moziila.org? I was never sure if there was no FreeBSD development going on at all, or if such an effort was underway, at some mailing list out there at mozilla.org. (Forgive my laziness to find out.) So I strongly suggest to replace this list with the mozilla.org equivalent, if there exists one. Regards, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Sun Apr 11 16:39:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82601545B for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:17:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Received: from oranje.my.domain (dial-ra-nc2-244.netcologne.de [195.14.244.244]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA04228; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:28:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from marc@localhost) by oranje.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16125; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:29:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from van.woerkom@netcologne.de) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:29:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199904112029.WAA16125@oranje.my.domain> X-Authentication-Warning: oranje.my.domain: marc set sender to van.woerkom@netcologne.de using -f From: Marc van Woerkom To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: reg@shale.csir.co.za, patl@phoenix.volant.org, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199904082328.QAA02792@usr08.primenet.com> (message from Terry Lambert on Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:28:38 +0000 (GMT)) Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) Reply-To: van.woerkom@netcologne.de References: <199904082328.QAA02792@usr08.primenet.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'd really like to address the FreeBSD threading architecture at > some time. Is there any other way to get a clue about the FreeBSD threading than deciphring the kernel sources? Regards, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Sun Apr 11 16:59: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from ocswd.ocsny.com (ocswd.ocsny.com [204.107.76.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFF61514C for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@postpagan.com) Received: from postpagan.com (bab71-131.optonline.net [167.206.71.131]) by ocswd.ocsny.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15677; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37116104.4F6BE0B8@postpagan.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:57:09 -0700 From: pete collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: van.woerkom@netcologne.de Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, reg@shale.csir.co.za, patl@phoenix.volant.org, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) References: <199904082328.QAA02792@usr08.primenet.com> <199904112029.WAA16125@oranje.my.domain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i've been involved in the mozilla lists i will start making some noise as to a build on freebsd i noticed they have most of the other platforms covered accept freebsd :-( this will change ;-) pete Marc van Woerkom wrote: > > I'd really like to address the FreeBSD threading architecture at > > some time. > > Is there any other way to get a clue about the FreeBSD threading > than deciphring the kernel sources? > > Regards, > Marc > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Apr 12 7:33:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from petent.ocsny.com (petent.ocsny.com [204.107.76.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEEA15523 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by petent.ocsny.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06274 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:35:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Message-ID: <371204B7.B1B6B66C@ocsny.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:35:35 -0400 From: pete collins Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: freebsd] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG things are good in the world :-) Jeremy Lea wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 09:45:05AM -0400, pete collins wrote: > > has anyone built the beast on freebsd yet? > > Plenty. See the Seamonkey-ports tinderbox. > > > if so any pointers i should know about? > > Well if you get GTK+ 1.2.1 from ports, and ORBit, jpeg and png then you > need to set the following: > > setenv GTK_CONFIG /usr/X11R6/bin/gtk12-config > setenv GLIB_CONFIG /usr/local/bin/glib12-config > > and then add to configure: > > --with-jpeg=/usr/local/ --with-png=/usr/local/ > > >From then you shouldn't have any problems building. Although just at > the moment the PTHREADS tests are completely broken (which is why > Tinderbox is orange). You'll need to remove all the configure tests for > libpthread and libc_r from configure.in, get autoconf from ports and > then regenerate configure. Otherwise follow the build instructions on > mozilla.org. > > Also, it helps to use EGCS, so you'll need the port on anything other > than -CURRENT. Set CC="egcc" CXX="eg++" before the configure. > > Regards, > -Jeremy > > -- > | What will people think when they hear that I'm a Jesus freak? > --+-- What will people do when they find that it's true? > | I don't really care if they label me a Jesus Freak, > | There ain't no disguising the truth. - d c Talk -- Pete Collins ########################### # Escape From Carousel # ########################### To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Apr 12 8:17:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from corphq2.harding.com (harding.com [144.195.64.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C2BE154F9 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lfloyd@harding.com) Received: by corphq2.harding.com with VINES-ISMTP; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 8:15:04 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 8:14:30 PDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: Reply-To: Subject: ...no subject... X-Incognito-SN: 1021 X-Incognito-Version: 4.25.281 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth 82345bb7 unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla lfloyd@harding.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Apr 12 8:19: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from corphq2.harding.com (harding.com [144.195.64.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8968D15174 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:19:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lfloyd@harding.com) Received: by corphq2.harding.com with VINES-ISMTP; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 8:16:44 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 8:16:12 PDT Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: Reply-To: Subject: re: ...no subject... X-Incognito-SN: 1021 X-Incognito-Version: 4.25.281 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ooops... sorry! ------------- Original Text From: , on 4/12/99 08:15: To: SMTP@CorpHQ@Harding[] auth 82345bb7 unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla lfloyd@harding.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Apr 12 11:43:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from netscape.com (h-205-217-237-47.netscape.com [205.217.237.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF77C15592 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:43:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tague@netscape.com) Received: from tintin.mcom.com (tintin.mcom.com [205.217.233.42]) by netscape.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01349 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape.com ([208.12.37.132]) by tintin.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.03) with ESMTP id FA3ALI00.2HW; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:41:42 -0700 Message-ID: <37123E32.6A075B5B@netscape.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:40:50 -0700 From: tague@netscape.com (Tague Griffith) Reply-To: tague@netscape.com Organization: Netscape Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja,de,zh-TW MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pete collins Cc: van.woerkom@netcologne.de, tlambert@primenet.com, reg@shale.csir.co.za, patl@phoenix.volant.org, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) References: <199904082328.QAA02792@usr08.primenet.com> <199904112029.WAA16125@oranje.my.domain> <37116104.4F6BE0B8@postpagan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sorry to be blunt about this, but have you actually bothered to look at the resources at mozilla.org? there's a i386 FreeBSD 3.1 tinderbox (continuous build machine) and an alpha 4.0 tinderbox. freebsd is one of the few ports that actually has a reasonably good chance to build. instead of "making some noise" why don't you contribute to development on one of the versions of freebsd instead - it's much more productive. /t pete collins wrote: > > i've been involved in the mozilla lists > i will start making some noise as to a build on freebsd > i noticed they have most of the other platforms covered accept freebsd > :-( > > this will change ;-) > > pete > > Marc van Woerkom wrote: > > > > I'd really like to address the FreeBSD threading architecture at > > > some time. > > > > Is there any other way to get a clue about the FreeBSD threading > > than deciphring the kernel sources? > > > > Regards, > > Marc > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message -- ---------------------------------------------------------- tague griffith (tague@netscape.com) client internationalization To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Mon Apr 12 12:27:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from petent.ocsny.com (petent.ocsny.com [204.107.76.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39501562F for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by petent.ocsny.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00403; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Message-ID: <371248FE.461BC66B@ocsny.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:26:55 -0400 From: pete collins Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tague@netscape.com Cc: pete collins , van.woerkom@netcologne.de, tlambert@primenet.com, reg@shale.csir.co.za, patl@phoenix.volant.org, freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: current state of the mozilla project on freebsd... (port) References: <199904082328.QAA02792@usr08.primenet.com> <199904112029.WAA16125@oranje.my.domain> <37116104.4F6BE0B8@postpagan.com> <37123E32.6A075B5B@netscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tague Griffith wrote: > sorry to be blunt about this, but have you actually bothered to look at > the resources at mozilla.org? there's a i386 FreeBSD 3.1 tinderbox > (continuous build machine) and an alpha 4.0 tinderbox. freebsd is one > of the few ports that actually has a reasonably good chance to build. yes i just found out this morn awsome ! however just coulnd't find any info about freebsd here ---- http://www.mozilla.org/build/ ps. i have been contiributing to the XULstuff (for i am a scripter and not a cpp programer) just haven't built it on freebsd yet ;-} > > > instead of "making some noise" why don't you contribute to development > on one of the versions of freebsd instead - it's much more productive. > > /t > > pete collins wrote: > > > > i've been involved in the mozilla lists > > i will start making some noise as to a build on freebsd > > i noticed they have most of the other platforms covered accept freebsd > > :-( > > > > this will change ;-) > > > > pete > > > > Marc van Woerkom wrote: > > > > > > I'd really like to address the FreeBSD threading architecture at > > > > some time. > > > > > > Is there any other way to get a clue about the FreeBSD threading > > > than deciphring the kernel sources? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Marc > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > tague griffith (tague@netscape.com) > client internationalization > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message -- Pete Collins ########################### # Escape From Carousel # ########################### To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Sat Apr 17 9:47:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from rainbow.sinesurf.co.nz (rainbow.sinesurf.co.nz [203.97.30.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AAA14F41 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 09:47:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyril@sinesurf.co.nz) Received: from sinesurf.co.nz (port37.ts1.auck.sinesurf.co.nz [210.55.217.37]) by rainbow.sinesurf.co.nz (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA29051 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 05:23:02 +1200 Message-ID: <3718BA35.66813507@sinesurf.co.nz> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 04:43:33 +1200 From: PETER WILLS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Subject: boba fett scans Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG am interested in bbs etc... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Fri Apr 30 2:35:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from acacia.cts.ucla.edu (acacia.cts.ucla.edu [164.67.62.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEFB1590E; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from denis@acacia.cts.ucla.edu) Received: from localhost (denis@localhost) by acacia.cts.ucla.edu (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA00787; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:37:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from denis@acacia.cts.ucla.edu) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Denis DeLaRoca To: questions@freebsd.org, mozilla@freebsd.org Subject: Communicator 4.5: "Xlib: Unexpected async reply" msg flood! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've seen this problem occur with both the FreeBSD version of Communicator 4.5 in the packages collection as well as with Communicator 4.51 for Linux under FreeBSD 3.1. At some point, a popup appears with the following message, Bookmarks have changed on disk. Discard your unsaved changes and reload OK CANCEL Most of the time clicking on Ok or CANCEL allows one to continue normally... but at other times, Communicator starts looping and outputting messages to stderr that read Xlib: Unexpected async reply (sequence 0x####) the messages -- with increasing sequence numbers -- are displayed in pop up windows that quickly flood most of the Window Manager's desktop. The only way to recover from this is by killing the Communicator processes that at this point are chewing close to 100% of the CPU. What is going one? Any workarounds to avoid or fix this situation? -- Denis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Sun May 2 18:17: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF1514DC7; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:17:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24745; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:17:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd024702; Sun May 2 18:16:50 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA16700; Sun, 2 May 1999 18:16:49 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199905030116.SAA16700@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Communicator 4.5: "Xlib: Unexpected async reply" msg flood! To: denis@acacia.cts.ucla.edu (Denis DeLaRoca) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 01:16:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Denis DeLaRoca" at Apr 30, 99 02:37:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've seen this problem occur with both the FreeBSD version of Communicator > 4.5 in the packages collection as well as with Communicator 4.51 for Linux > under FreeBSD 3.1. > > At some point, a popup appears with the following message, > > Bookmarks have changed on disk. > Discard your unsaved changes and reload > > OK CANCEL > > Most of the time clicking on Ok or CANCEL allows one to continue > normally... but at other times, Communicator starts looping and outputting > messages to stderr that read > > Xlib: Unexpected async reply (sequence 0x####) I believe the dialog box you refer to runs as JavaScript. There are a number of problems with the FreeBSD implementation of Netscape. The number one problem is that it is assuming that threads serially run to completion based on scheduling. Basically, this means that if you get an involuntary context switch, the threads pick up where they left off, in the order that they left off. The FreeBSD threads don't guarantee this (neither does POSIX), so the serialization assumption is flawed. For what it's worth, Linux and Macintosh threading have the same issues with the assumptions made by the NetScape JavaScript engine programmers. The major problems most commonly surface in the builtins, like the bookmark change script, the mail client, and the GIF decoder. The workaround for GIF's is to serialize the GIF loading (easy; just change your JavaScript) or to replace the GIF loader with a JNI to some reentrant code (not very easy, and not very portable; it'll only fix your personal browser). Since the problem exists on other platforms (e.g. Macintosh), it's best to just let it do its thing and finish doing it, before you move the mouse pointer. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed May 5 11:44:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from orbit.flnet.com (orbit.flnet.com [205.240.232.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F1115299 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from henrich@orbit.flnet.com) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by orbit.flnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id OAA11836 for mozilla@freebsd.org; Wed, 5 May 1999 14:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:44:13 -0700 From: Charles Henrich To: mozilla@freebsd.org Subject: Binary Distribution? Message-ID: <19990505114413.F9209@orbit.flnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1024/F7 FD C7 3A F5 6A 23 BF 76 C4 B8 C9 6E 41 A4 4F Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a binary distribution of mozilla floating out there? -Crh Charles Henrich Manex Visual Effects henrich@flnet.com http://orbit.flnet.com/~henrich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed May 5 12: 2:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from ocswd.ocsny.com (ocswd.ocsny.com [204.107.76.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6361A14FE5 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 12:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcollins@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (petent.ocsny.com [204.107.76.50]) by ocswd.ocsny.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27481; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37304F05.8430EBB1@ocsny.com> Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:00:37 +0100 From: Pete Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Henrich Cc: mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Binary Distribution? References: <19990505114413.F9209@orbit.flnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.mozilla.org/binaries.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mozilla Wed May 5 16:24:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-mozilla@freebsd.org Received: from orbit.flnet.com (orbit.flnet.com [205.240.232.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958CF14DD9 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 16:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from henrich@orbit.flnet.com) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by orbit.flnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) id TAA18409; Wed, 5 May 1999 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:23:53 -0700 From: Charles Henrich To: Pete Collins Cc: mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Binary Distribution? Message-ID: <19990505162353.B18341@orbit.flnet.com> References: <19990505114413.F9209@orbit.flnet.com> <37304F05.8430EBB1@ocsny.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37304F05.8430EBB1@ocsny.com>; from Pete Collins on Wed, May 05, 1999 at 03:00:37PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1024/F7 FD C7 3A F5 6A 23 BF 76 C4 B8 C9 6E 41 A4 4F Sender: owner-freebsd-mozilla@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On the subject of Re: Binary Distribution?, Pete Collins stated: There are only linux distributions there .. > http://www.mozilla.org/binaries.html > Charles Henrich Manex Visual Effects henrich@flnet.com http://orbit.flnet.com/~henrich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mozilla" in the body of the message