From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 28 20:58:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C9514CD3; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 20:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20584; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:01:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 00:01:43 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990326213540.008f2c90@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > Interesting. I received your message right after I spent considerable time > at a place that compares various window managers (got there through a link > from FreeBSD.org). I was going to download KDE, but came up on another > stumbling point: Just which of the gadzillion files do I need. Boy, do I > hate ftp! Just a list of file names with no description. Have you taken a look at the ports collection? There is a "metaport" that installs everything you need for KDE in there - it's what I used and it worked quite well. > But back to the topic of desktop managers like KDE. Does all X software run > under all of them, or do you have to have different software (I mean > applications) for, say, KDE and afterstep? I got the impression from KDE > web site that applications must be written specifically for KDE... No, no. Any software written for X will run in X, regardless of the window manager. There are applications written specifically for KDE which will only run under KDE, but you can run any X application in KDE or afterstep or FVWM... that's the whole nature of X. ================== Quote of the Day ===================== What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight - it's the size of the fight in the dog. - Dwight D. Eisenhower To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 6:26:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBD61535F; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21108; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:30:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:30:15 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <36FF0B8E.D1B051B1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Ryan A. Carris wrote: > I personsally prefer Windowmaker. > It uses much less memory and looks a lot less windowish. > > > Ryan A. Carris > racarris@earthlink.net > I used to think that KDE looked too much like windows also, until I discovered their desktop themes. Now my KDE looks more like Enlightenment than windows. ================== Quote of the Day ===================== The release of atomic energy has not created a new problem. It has merely made more urgent the necessity of solving an existing one.-Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 8:41:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop03.globecomm.net (pop03.globecomm.net [206.253.130.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5471215368; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:41:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r33.bfm.org [208.18.213.129]) by pop03.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA24999; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:40:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990329103358.008fe920@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:33:58 -0600 To: Marty Poulin From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990326213540.008f2c90@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 00:01 29-03-1999 -0500, Marty Poulin wrote: >Have you taken a look at the ports collection? There is a "metaport" that >installs everything you need for KDE in there - it's what I used and it >worked quite well. Yes, thank you. I have since found and installed it. And I definitely need more memory. :-( I am going to experiment with bigger swap area to see if it works for now. Just received a tip from Unix Guru Universe how to increase the swap area without label, so I want to play with that. >No, no. Any software written for X will run in X, regardless of the >window manager. There are applications written specifically for KDE which >will only run under KDE, but you can run any X application in KDE or >afterstep or FVWM... that's the whole nature of X. Oh good. Thanks, Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 8:41:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop03.globecomm.net (pop03.globecomm.net [206.253.130.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061471527E; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r33.bfm.org [208.18.213.129]) by pop03.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA25007; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:40:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990329103927.008fa890@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:39:27 -0600 To: "Ryan A. Carris" , Marty Poulin From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36FF0B8E.D1B051B1@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:11 28-03-1999 -0600, Ryan A. Carris wrote: >I want to expand on this by reminding everyone that at anytime you can >type "/stand/sysinstall" and go to the configure menu then select >ports. If you are connected to the internet of have the CD you can then >just browse the lise of ports, select and in 95% of the time the port >gets installed perfectly. KDE is like this. If you go through this >procedure and select KDE meta port, which inculdes almost everything and >is HUGE, you will have KDE running withing the time it takes to download >it. All you have to do after this is create a file called ".xinitrc" >with one line that says "startkde". I personsally prefer Windowmaker. >It uses much less memory and looks a lot less windowish. One strange thing though: I did that (installing KDE via /stand/sysinstall), and it kept complaining that X was not installed even though it was, just not from the ports (Pressing enter each time kept it moving along, just that I had to press it some 100 times or so). I have since reinstalled X from the ports. But I wonder if there is a way to register software somehow, so ports knows it already is installed for future reference. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 10:32:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32290152FE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA01972 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:32:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:32:26 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199903291832.KAA01972@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990326093033.00919230@mail.bfm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:30:33 -0600 >From: "G. Adam Stanislav" >But when I actually want to accomplish something, I have no choice but to >boot Windows. Not because I like it but because I know how to use it. And >when I don't, I can always figure it out. Curious. Different strokes & all that, I suppose. (I'll merely state here that my experiences, limited though they have been, using Microsoft environments have been consistent only in their value as aversion therapy, and that I attribute much of this to the ill-advised attempt to use single-user envirronments as if they were suited to general-purpose computing; my background is mostly in multi-user computing environments, such as IBM mainframes... though I've been dealing with various flavors of UNIX since '86. I'm subscribed to -newbies because dealing with PC hradware is a very weird and unusual experience for me.) >Under FreeBSD (and, I suppose Unix in general), the solution is no doubt >available and probably more powerful, but it always requires me to use some >cryptically named command. Well, a given command will need to have a name in order to be (directly) usable. You generally have the capability for making up your own names for (collections of) commands, either by defining an "alias" to the "shell" (more on this in a moment) or by putting together "shell scripts". (In UNIX, the program that reads what you type at the command line is called a "shell". One of the reasons that this role has a special name (as opposed to merely being considered part of the OS, which it is not) is that you are free to pick and choose what shell will be used to interpret your commands. Indeed, if you want to experiment with a new shell, you can simply invoke it as a program, whereupon it (the new shell) will be reading commands an responding; when you're done, merely exit that shell, and you're back to having the previous shell read and respond to your commands.) >Man pages are of little help to me: First of >all, I would need to know the name of the command to even get to the man >page. That's what "apropos" and the "SEE ALSO" sections of (other) man pages are for. >And even when I do, it seems the man page is always written in some >foreign language that only outwardly resembles English. Something a little more nearly concrete might help pin-point what the nature of the problem is. For example, citing one particular example of such a man page may narrow the field down to the point that trying to fix the problem could become feasible. >Apropos usually does not help me much either. For any particular reason? Many folks are willing to help; that's one of the nice things about the UNIX community in general, and the FreeBSD community in particular. But no one *can* help unless you at least make the effort to identify the nature of the mis-match between your expectations and your perceptions. Few folks here (especially me) can read your mind. >Just days ago I have installed XFree86 3.3.3.1. Its interface is >reminiscent of Windows 1.0, I have no idea what "Windows 1.0" refers to, but referring to a singular interface for X11 is rather like referring to "the shell" in UNIX: you can pick and choose. At this point in your narrative, few folks are likely to have much of a cluse as to what "window manager" (if any) you chose to use with X11. >and it locks up my system either immediately or >in a few minutes (mouse cursor disappears, ctl-alt-backspace does not >work), and the only way out is by turning the system off, ouch). That sounds like a fairly serious misconfiguration, all right. And yes, UNIX (in general) and FreeBSD (in particular) tend to fail to flat-out not work in such cases; rather, they'll generally try to carry on as best they can. >No doubt there is a simple fix, if I only knew what it was. :-) (I kinda >suspect that I need more RAM, I only have 8 Meg, although that is supposed >to be enough.) I haven't checked recently -- I haven't had the time -- but I would be inclined to agree that 8 MB is a bit skimpy. I'm running with 32 MB, and mostly doing OK (been up solid on FreeBSD 3.1-R since 02 March), and memory is comparatively inexpensive any more. Much will depend on what programs you use, such as what window manager. I use a simple one (that I was using on my old Sun 3/60 several years ago), but newer ones tend to be much more resource-intensive. And they also tend to be ones that are advertised as being able to be customized to resemble Microsoft environments, which may appeal to some folks. >Despite all of that, I am sticking with FreeBSD. Some day, I'll learn how >to use it. :-) It is a very steep learning curve, though! Indeed it can be, though I would (fairly strongly) encourage you to broaden the focus a little. You see, FreeBSD is descended from the "BSD UNIX" that the Computer Science Research Group at UC Berkeley distributed for a number of years; as such, there is a wealth of information available on its antecedents, much of which is quite applicable to FreeBSD. Thus, for example, the O'Reilly & Associates books on UNIX-related topics have a great deal that is applicable to FreeBSD, as do both Prentice-Hall and Addison-Wesley. And I would be remiss if I failed to point out Greg Lehey's _The Complete FreeBSD_. (One of the "classics" for folks new to UNIX that I heartily recommend -- especially for folks with any programming background at all -- is Kernighan & Pike's _The UNIX Programming Environment_.) >Not that this has anything to do with the subject line. I suspect the other >OS mentioned there would be even harder for me to learn. Maybe I'm just >getting old (will turn 49 next month). Computers were so much simpler when >I was 15! Well, I was born in November, 1951, so I'm not all that much younger than you... and I didn't do anything with computers 'til '69.... Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 12: 6:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1A314C19 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r13.bfm.org [208.18.213.109]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA09245 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:07:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990329140549.00903d60@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:05:49 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <199903291832.KAA01972@pau-amma.whistle.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990326093033.00919230@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:32 29-03-1999 -0800, David Wolfskill wrote: >>But when I actually want to accomplish something, I have no choice but to >>boot Windows. Not because I like it but because I know how to use it. And >>when I don't, I can always figure it out. > >Curious. Different strokes & all that, I suppose. No, not different strokes. What I meant was that I have worked in Windows environment for years, so I am familiar with it. That does not imply that I prefer Windows. But when I need to accomplish something quickly, it is easier for me--at this time--to just do it in Windows than to try figure out how to do it in Unix. After I do it, I then do try to figure it out, so eventually I can do everything in Unix. But I am not there yet. > I'm subscribed to -newbies because dealing with PC >hradware is a very weird and unusual experience for me.) For me it is the exact opposite. I used to program under DOS for a long time, then migrated to Windows, now trying it with FreeBSD. >Well, a given command will need to have a name in order to be (directly) >usable. You generally have the capability for making up your own names >for (collections of) commands, either by defining an "alias" to the >"shell" (more on this in a moment) or by putting together "shell >scripts". Yes, of course. But before you create an alias, you need to know the real name. :-) When I think of it, I did not know all DOS commands when I got my first DOS machine. It took me a while to learn DOS, and it will take a while to learn Unix. That's just the way it is. :-) >>And even when I do, it seems the man page is always written in some >>foreign language that only outwardly resembles English. > >Something a little more nearly concrete might help pin-point what the >nature of the problem is. For example, citing one particular example of >such a man page may narrow the field down to the point that trying to >fix the problem could become feasible. I wrote that in the context of a general chat, not trying to solve a specific problem, just talking about the steep learning curve. :-) >>Apropos usually does not help me much either. > >For any particular reason? Pretty much the same as man. You need to get the right word to apropos to get the right answer. In other words, it is probably quite useful when you are already experienced with Unix. If you are fishing for an answer without having a clue what exactly you are looking for, it just spits out a hundred cryptic words with no explanation. So it is more useful to refresh your memory about things you already know (and perhaps just do not remember the exact spelling of) than a learning tool for a newbie. >Many folks are willing to help; that's one of the nice things about the >UNIX community in general, and the FreeBSD community in particular. Yes, thank goodness for that! But >no one *can* help unless you at least make the effort to identify the >nature of the mis-match between your expectations and your perceptions. > >Few folks here (especially me) can read your mind. Well, I was not asking a question. I was simply describing my experience with learning about Unix (this is a CHAT list for newbies, isn't it). I prefer to try figure it out first, and only if I cannot, then I ask. >>Just days ago I have installed XFree86 3.3.3.1. Its interface is >>reminiscent of Windows 1.0, > >I have no idea what "Windows 1.0" refers to, but referring to a singular >interface for X11 is rather like referring to "the shell" in UNIX: you >can pick and choose. Windows 1.0 referred to the first release of MS Windows. It was ugly. > At this point in your narrative, few folks are >likely to have much of a cluse as to what "window manager" (if any) you >chose to use with X11. I haven't chosen one yet. I was talking about the default manager, twm, that comes with X11. I don't think I can really choose much right now as it keeps locking up on me, presumably because I do not have enough memory. Frankly, that surprised me though. I sorta believed that if I had enough memory to run Windows 95 with Netscape Communicator, it would be enough for X11 with a single xterm and the xclock, but it appears not to be the case. I have asked for help from the X11 people, sent them a detailed description of my system and my X11 configuration, but, alas, did not even received an acknowledgement. >>and it locks up my system either immediately or >>in a few minutes (mouse cursor disappears, ctl-alt-backspace does not >>work), and the only way out is by turning the system off, ouch). > >That sounds like a fairly serious misconfiguration, all right. And yes, >UNIX (in general) and FreeBSD (in particular) tend to fail to flat-out >not work in such cases; rather, they'll generally try to carry on as best >they can. One of the times when it locks up immediately is if I manage to move the mouse cursor to the edge of the screen. The cursor disappears, and no further movement of the mouse can bring it back. At that point ctl-alt-backspace does not respond either. Another sure way to get locked up is to move the cursor over the clock and click on it. Incidentally, it happens under KDE too, even though the xterm window does not lose focus, my keystrokes are no longer accepted. It appears that if I do not move the mouse, or just confine it to the xterm window, I can work indefinitely. Of course, there is not much reason to load X11 just to use a single xterm... I tried it two ways: 1. Not loading moused and configuring it as Microsoft mouse at /dev/cuaa0, 2. Loading moused and configuring it as SysMouse at /dev/sysmouse. Makes no difference (no problem under FreeBSD console with moused running, which is the main reason I suspect the problem stems from not having enough memory and not from misconfiguration). You mentioned some books... I am wondering if you, or anyone, knows of a good introduction to windows managers for programmers, one that could get you started in writing your own windows manager. Secondly, a good intro to X11 programming. I have read what I have available (Unix Unleashed, Internet Edition, has a nice description of the basics). It is clearly the same basic principle as programming MS Windows (I mean the client/server model, and things like that). It appears to me that MS pretty much took the X11 idea and ported it to DOS (the idea, not all the nuances of the implementation). And since I am quite experienced in programming MS Windows, it might actually be easier for me to learn how to write X11 programs than how to configure X11 properly. :-) But I need a good reference book to its library (or libraries). Cheers, Adam P.S. Being a programmer is certainly helpful. When I first started with FreeBSD, and could not find the right command to do something, it was often easier just to write my own program to do it! For example, I wrote a program called tuc (Text to Unix Conversion) to let me convert DOS text files to Unix text files and back, simply because I needed to convert some files and could not find any help with apropos. I even placed it on my ftp site (ftp://ftp.whizkidtech.net/unix/tuc/), and several other newbies were quite happy about it, while old pros assured me no one would ever need it, hehehe! --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 12:35:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E207314E70 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:35:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA02545 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:35:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:35:14 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199903292035.MAA02545@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990329140549.00903d60@mail.bfm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:05:49 -0600 >From: "G. Adam Stanislav" >You mentioned some books... I am wondering if you, or anyone, knows of a >good introduction to windows managers for programmers, one that could get >you started in writing your own windows manager. Secondly, a good intro to >X11 programming. I have read what I have available (Unix Unleashed, >Internet Edition, has a nice description of the basics). It is clearly the >same basic principle as programming MS Windows (I mean the client/server >model, and things like that). It appears to me that MS pretty much took the >X11 idea and ported it to DOS (the idea, not all the nuances of the >implementation). O'Reilly has had a rather extensive series on X11, of which I have 2 volumes at my desk: Vol. 3: X Window System User's Guide Vol. 8: X Window System System Administrator's Guide My copies cover X11R5, but the vast bulk of the material remains applicable (so far as I know) for X11R6. I don't know if O'Reilly has been keeping the series current. (My O'Reilly catalog is at home, and it takes too long for me to look stuff up on the Web to spend the time right now; my email backlog on Monday mornings starts at >700.) >And since I am quite experienced in programming MS Windows, it might >actually be easier for me to learn how to write X11 programs than how to >configure X11 properly. :-) But I need a good reference book to its library >(or libraries). O'Reilly generally has had extremely high-quality books. You could do quite a lot worse. :-) But I suspect you'll be wanting to learn how to configure X properly... and there are lots of ways to do that. (There are, of course, even more ways to configure it improperly... some of which may permit you to choose your mode of failure, I suppose.... Just don't let the "magic smoke" out.) >P.S. Being a programmer is certainly helpful. When I first started with >FreeBSD, and could not find the right command to do something, it was often >easier just to write my own program to do it! For example, I wrote a >program called tuc (Text to Unix Conversion) to let me convert DOS text >files to Unix text files and back, simply because I needed to convert some >files and could not find any help with apropos. I even placed it on my ftp >site (ftp://ftp.whizkidtech.net/unix/tuc/), and several other newbies were >quite happy about it, while old pros assured me no one would ever need it, >hehehe! Not sure what's so weird about DOS (which term *still* causes me to think first of a certain s/360-30, ca. 1970) that it can't cope with normal text files, but if you need to do much with data from that environment in a UNIX (especially FreeBSD) environment, you could do much worse than take a look at the "mtools" port (/usr/ports/emulators/mtools). And since UNIX has been around for so long, a *lot* of code has been written in the environment.... I encourage folks to make use of what's there, and at least be aware of what has already been done: in those cases where an existing tool can handle the problem, mastery of it gives you another item for your toolbox; in cases where it really makes more sense to write your own, you can avoid others' mistakes or better adjust your code to the problem(s) you're trying to solve. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 14: 3:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7976814F94; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:03:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charon@freethought.org) Received: from c40948-a ([24.1.7.99]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990329220334.TWUW6529.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c40948-a>; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:03:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990329140310.00a32df0@mail> X-Sender: tuathadedanann@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:03:10 -0800 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" From: charon@freethought.org Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990329103927.008fa890@mail.bfm.org> References: <36FF0B8E.D1B051B1@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:39 AM 3/29/99 -0600, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: >One strange thing though: I did that (installing KDE via >/stand/sysinstall), and it kept complaining that X was not installed even >though it was, just not from the ports (Pressing enter each time kept it >moving along, just that I had to press it some 100 times or so). I have >since reinstalled X from the ports. But I wonder if there is a way to >register software somehow, so ports knows it already is installed for >future reference. mkdir /var/db/pkg XFree86-3.3.3.1 __________________________________________ Charon@freethought.org http://members.home.net/tuathadedanann/ "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." -Albert Einstein __________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 16:34:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE9E151F8; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 16:34:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-14-173.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.14.173]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA31618; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:33:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA37306; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:33:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199903300033.SAA37306@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-reply-to: Message from charon@freethought.org of "Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:03:10 PST." <3.0.5.32.19990329140310.00a32df0@mail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:33:46 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org charon@freethought.org writes: > At 10:39 AM 3/29/99 -0600, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > >One strange thing though: I did that (installing KDE via > >/stand/sysinstall), and it kept complaining that X was not installed even > >though it was, just not from the ports (Pressing enter each time kept it > >moving along, just that I had to press it some 100 times or so). I have > >since reinstalled X from the ports. But I wonder if there is a way to > >register software somehow, so ports knows it already is installed for > >future reference. > > mkdir /var/db/pkg XFree86-3.3.3.1 ^ needs a slash right here The above will make most packages and ports happy but won't let you pkg_delete XFree86-3.3.3.1 as it doesn't know what to remove. As for myself, have decided building X is a good test of a freshly installed system. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 17:38: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A2C14F17; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA28595; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:37:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199903300137.UAA28595@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: from Dag-Erling Smorgrav at "Mar 27, 99 11:32:30 pm" To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:37:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, zen@buddhist.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote, > David Kelly writes: > > I never could remember how to spell apropos but could always remember, > > "man -k". > > "apropos" has two characters too many, and the letters are further > apart on the keyboard than "man -k". No contest. But 'apropos' only actually has 5 different characters and 'a'-'s' and 'o'-'p' are neighboring pairs on the keyboard. 'man -k' has that really long reach for the '-.' There is a contest. ;P (But if you alias 'apropos' to 'apr,' then there really is no contest. Hehe.) -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 17:53:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF7414C0B; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 17:53:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20198; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:52:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:52:43 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: cjclark@home.com Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , dkelly@hiwaay.net, zen@buddhist.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars Message-ID: <19990329195243.Y17547@futuresouth.com> References: <199903300137.UAA28595@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199903300137.UAA28595@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>; from Crist J. Clark on Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 08:37:42PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 08:37:42PM -0500, a little birdie told me that Crist J. Clark remarked > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote, > > David Kelly writes: > > > I never could remember how to spell apropos but could always remember, > > > "man -k". > > > > "apropos" has two characters too many, and the letters are further > > apart on the keyboard than "man -k". No contest. > > But 'apropos' only actually has 5 different characters and 'a'-'s' and > 'o'-'p' are neighboring pairs on the keyboard. 'man -k' has that > really long reach for the '-.' There is a contest. ;P > > (But if you alias 'apropos' to 'apr,' then there really is no > contest. Hehe.) [19:52:15] mortis:~ (ttyp2):{432}% grep apropos .tcshrc alias ? 'apropos' Even easier ;> --- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Matthew Fuller http://www.over-yonder.net/ | * fullermd@futuresouth.com fullermd@over-yonder.net * | UNIX Systems Administrator Specializing in FreeBSD | * FutureSouth Communications ISPHelp ISP Consulting * | "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, | * is because I haven't figured out how to light the * | middle yet" | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 18:49: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F5314F64; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:48:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id EAA10965; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 04:48:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: cjclark@home.com Cc: dkelly@hiwaay.net, zen@buddhist.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars References: <199903300137.UAA28595@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 30 Mar 1999 04:48:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Crist J. Clark"'s message of "Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:37:42 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Crist J. Clark" writes: > But 'apropos' only actually has 5 different characters and 'a'-'s' and > 'o'-'p' are neighboring pairs on the keyboard. 'man -k' has that > really long reach for the '-.' There is a contest. ;P It's not a really long reach on a norwegian keyboard :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 29 21: 7:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B01414BDA; Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:07:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id AAA29299; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:05:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199903300505.AAA29299@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <19990329195243.Y17547@futuresouth.com> from "Matthew D. Fuller" at "Mar 29, 99 07:52:43 pm" To: fullermd@futuresouth.com (Matthew D. Fuller) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:05:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: cjclark@home.com, des@flood.ping.uio.no, dkelly@hiwaay.net, zen@buddhist.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew D. Fuller wrote, > On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 08:37:42PM -0500, a little birdie told me > that Crist J. Clark remarked > > > > (But if you alias 'apropos' to 'apr,' then there really is no > > contest. Hehe.) > > [19:52:15] mortis:~ > (ttyp2):{432}% grep apropos .tcshrc > alias ? 'apropos' > > Even easier ;> Eep! Aliasing it to a character that has special meaning to the shell?! That's begging for trouble. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 30 2:49:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (wya-oe16.hotmail.com [207.82.253.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51D1B14FD8 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:49:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vas99@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 2509 invoked by uid 0); 30 Mar 1999 10:49:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990330104904.2508.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.66.200.160 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:49:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.66.200.160] From: "Vasily Kondrashov" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Network Address Translation howto. Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 02:49:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are you trying to connect LAN to the Internet via FreeBSD box? Have problems using natd? Maybe you'll find information you need at http://members.tripod.com/vas99/natd.html Best regards, Vasily. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 30 8:14:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cannet.com (cannet.com [206.156.188.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49D3E14CE8 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from BenG%thekeyboard.com@all-ts2-dyn27.cannet.com) Received: from all-ts2-dyn27.cannet.com by mail.cannet.com id aa25540; 30 Mar 1999 11:15 EST Message-ID: <3700F856.1A6827DA@thekeyboard.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:14:14 -0500 From: Benjamin George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe FreeBSD-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 30 10:23:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6334314CCD; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:23:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22705; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:32:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd022622; Tue Mar 30 12:31:57 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14513; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:23:05 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199903301823.LAA14513@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars To: dyson@iquest.net Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:23:05 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hamellr@dsinw.com, unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903261019.FAA00733@y.dyson.net> from "John S. Dyson" at Mar 26, 99 05:19:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Linux-Alpha doesn't have the 2 gig problem, and the 2.2 series does have > > > patches available to go past the 2 gig limit. > > > > Which is why I personally don't like Linux. It seems that you're > > always loading patches to fix little problems. :) Granted FreeBSD has > > patches too. But when was the last time you needed a patch? :) Anyways, > > isn't the Linux patch still limited to 8 gigs or so? > > IMO, it is *silly* that Linux doesn't support large files correctly. If > it doesn't support large files on an X86, then it doesn't support large > files. There was alot of pressure from the user and developer base when > FreeBSD didn't properly support large files, and I am surprised that > either the Linux base hasn't pressured for proper support for large files, > or the Linux developers can't figure out how to do it. (I sure hope that > it isn't arrogance on their part that it isn't "needed.") Well, as long as we are beating dead horses here... IMO, it is *silly* that FreeBSD coopted the fields in FFS that were reserved for dealing with the Y2038 "bug", which technically didn't exist in BSD 4.4 until these fields were coopted. But then, who am I to look 39 years into the future, instead of only 6 months ahead, like everyone else. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 30 14: 0:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C00A915A17 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:00:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (qmail 27639 invoked from network); 30 Mar 1999 22:00:03 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 22:00:03 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA16694; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199903302200.RAA16694@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <199903301823.LAA14513@usr06.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 30, 99 06:23:05 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:00:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@iquest.net, hamellr@dsinw.com, unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Linux-Alpha doesn't have the 2 gig problem, and the 2.2 series does have > > > > patches available to go past the 2 gig limit. > > > > > > Which is why I personally don't like Linux. It seems that you're > > > always loading patches to fix little problems. :) Granted FreeBSD has > > > patches too. But when was the last time you needed a patch? :) Anyways, > > > isn't the Linux patch still limited to 8 gigs or so? > > > > IMO, it is *silly* that Linux doesn't support large files correctly. If > > it doesn't support large files on an X86, then it doesn't support large > > files. There was alot of pressure from the user and developer base when > > FreeBSD didn't properly support large files, and I am surprised that > > either the Linux base hasn't pressured for proper support for large files, > > or the Linux developers can't figure out how to do it. (I sure hope that > > it isn't arrogance on their part that it isn't "needed.") > > Well, as long as we are beating dead horses here... > > IMO, it is *silly* that FreeBSD coopted the fields in FFS that were > reserved for dealing with the Y2038 "bug", which technically didn't > exist in BSD 4.4 until these fields were coopted. > > But then, who am I to look 39 years into the future, instead of only > 6 months ahead, like everyone else. > Since the *fix* wasn't implemented, then the fix wasn't broken. Nothing additional was broken, and a better fix will eventually be created (e.g. changed inode structure for ACL support?) If you think that the ODS needs to be fixed, then fix it!!! :-). If it ends up being a solution rather than a hack, then it might just be adopted. If the "fix" ends up requiring lots of support from others, then the chance of the "idea" being adopted is lessened. But, please don't proclaim an idea as an implementation, and don't proclaim a piece of hackery as a "solution." I understand your frustration, but because YOUR projects don't get the highest priority doesn't mean that you are being ignored. It seems odd to me that some people think that others should support their works. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 30 14:19: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AEA15C13; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 14:19:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10504; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:18:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd010408; Tue Mar 30 15:18:32 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06239; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:18:29 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199903302218.PAA06239@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars To: toor@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:18:28 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, dyson@iquest.net, hamellr@dsinw.com, unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903302200.RAA16694@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at Mar 30, 99 05:00:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Well, as long as we are beating dead horses here... > > > > IMO, it is *silly* that FreeBSD coopted the fields in FFS that were > > reserved for dealing with the Y2038 "bug", which technically didn't > > exist in BSD 4.4 until these fields were coopted. > > > > But then, who am I to look 39 years into the future, instead of only > > 6 months ahead, like everyone else. > > Since the *fix* wasn't implemented, then the fix wasn't broken. Since the "fix" contradicted a clear architectural direction set by CSRG with clear foresight of the Y2038 problem, it violated the architectural principles which resulted in the field reservation. > Nothing additional was broken, and a better fix will eventually be > created Excuse me, ask Kirk. He designed the damn FFS with those reserved fields for a reason. > (e.g. changed inode structure for ACL support?) This is what stacking layers and namespace escapes were invented for. This is why John's students have been able to implement such VFS stacking layers (albeit, not in FreeBSD, where layer stacking is broken), but the architectural principles are surely not that difficult to grasp. I am aware of the ideas being floated to support ACL's in NetBSD; an implementation that doubles the size of the inode is a bad idea. Take it from me; I doubled the size of the inode for a commercial FS, so I well know of that which I speak. > If you think that the ODS needs to be fixed, then fix it!!! :-). If > it ends up being a solution rather than a hack, then it might just be > adopted. If the "fix" ends up requiring lots of support from others, > then the chance of the "idea" being adopted is lessened. How could the intended use of the fields, now that they contain non-zero data instead of zeros, per the backward compatability requirement of the original design for the Y2038 fix, be anything *but* a hack? The data is on the disks; the damage is done. > But, please don't proclaim an idea as an implementation, and don't > proclaim a piece of hackery as a "solution." I understand your frustration, > but because YOUR projects don't get the highest priority doesn't mean > that you are being ignored. It seems odd to me that some people think > that others should support their works. What about CSRG's project? Those spare fields were intentional, not accidental. Rail as you might, those fields were coopted, not architected, away. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 30 15: 3:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52E4414E37 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:03:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (qmail 4826 invoked from network); 30 Mar 1999 23:03:16 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 1999 23:03:16 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA16794; Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:03:10 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199903302303.SAA16794@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <199903302218.PAA06239@usr04.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 30, 99 10:18:28 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:03:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, dyson@iquest.net, hamellr@dsinw.com, unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Well, as long as we are beating dead horses here... > > > > > > IMO, it is *silly* that FreeBSD coopted the fields in FFS that were > > > reserved for dealing with the Y2038 "bug", which technically didn't > > > exist in BSD 4.4 until these fields were coopted. > > > > > > But then, who am I to look 39 years into the future, instead of only > > > 6 months ahead, like everyone else. > > > > Since the *fix* wasn't implemented, then the fix wasn't broken. > > Since the "fix" contradicted a clear architectural direction set by CSRG > with clear foresight of the Y2038 problem, it violated the architectural > principles which resulted in the field reservation. > That begs the issue that nothing was broken, because the fields weren't used. The fix didn't exist at all in FreeBSD. > > > > Nothing additional was broken, and a better fix will eventually be > > created > > Excuse me, ask Kirk. He designed the damn FFS with those reserved fields > for a reason. > Those reserved, unused fields? It makes little difference as to how the problem is fixed, if the problem isn't fixed :-). > > > > (e.g. changed inode structure for ACL support?) > > This is what stacking layers and namespace escapes were invented for. > This is why John's students have been able to implement such VFS stacking > layers (albeit, not in FreeBSD, where layer stacking is broken), but the > architectural principles are surely not that difficult to grasp. > The framework as it is, is super broken, and any fixes to date are only expedient and insufficient. It requires total architecture rewrite if you want reasonable efficiency (not throwing performance away) and coherency. Half solutions need not apply -- if the framework as it was conceived and implemented so far in *BSD was fully implemented, there would either be intractable coherency problems, or probably intolerable efficiency issues. If one stayed in the SYSVr2 API world, the framework as-is would be okay -- however, we are far away from those days. > > I am aware of the ideas being floated to support ACL's in NetBSD; an > implementation that doubles the size of the inode is a bad idea. Take > it from me; I doubled the size of the inode for a commercial FS, so I > well know of that which I speak. > Which slow, commercial OS did you work on? Why do you put words in my mouth about doubling inode size? Straw man... > > > If you think that the ODS needs to be fixed, then fix it!!! :-). If > > it ends up being a solution rather than a hack, then it might just be > > adopted. If the "fix" ends up requiring lots of support from others, > > then the chance of the "idea" being adopted is lessened. > > How could the intended use of the fields, now that they contain non-zero > data instead of zeros, per the backward compatability requirement of the > original design for the Y2038 fix, be anything *but* a hack? The data > is on the disks; the damage is done. > The ODS will need rework before Y2038 anyway. I suspect that if the code is working by 2010, things will be all well. A UFS2 would eventually be a good thing. > > > > But, please don't proclaim an idea as an implementation, and don't > > proclaim a piece of hackery as a "solution." I understand your frustration, > > but because YOUR projects don't get the highest priority doesn't mean > > that you are being ignored. It seems odd to me that some people think > > that others should support their works. > > What about CSRG's project? Those spare fields were intentional, not > accidental. Rail as you might, those fields were coopted, not architected, > away. > Fallacy of appealing to authority? Those fields aren't owned until they are used. The ODS will be changed in the future anyway. It makes little difference as to where the data is. There is room in the inode, if needed. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 31 13:42:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376ED14C25; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25147; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:52:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd025093; Wed Mar 31 15:52:19 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21836; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:41:59 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199903312141.OAA21836@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars To: toor@dyson.iquest.net (John S. Dyson) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:41:58 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, dyson@iquest.net, hamellr@dsinw.com, unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903302303.SAA16794@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at Mar 30, 99 06:03:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Since the "fix" contradicted a clear architectural direction set by CSRG > > with clear foresight of the Y2038 problem, it violated the architectural > > principles which resulted in the field reservation. > > That begs the issue that nothing was broken, because the fields > weren't used. The fix didn't exist at all in FreeBSD. ??? The disk had the correct data on it. The only bug was that it wouldn't be updated until the OS went to an int64_t for time_t. > > Excuse me, ask Kirk. He designed the damn FFS with those reserved fields > > for a reason. > > Those reserved, unused fields? It makes little difference as to how the > problem is fixed, if the problem isn't fixed :-). Ugh. Now you're just trying to get my goat. > > > (e.g. changed inode structure for ACL support?) > > > > This is what stacking layers and namespace escapes were invented for. > > This is why John's students have been able to implement such VFS stacking > > layers (albeit, not in FreeBSD, where layer stacking is broken), but the > > architectural principles are surely not that difficult to grasp. > > The framework as it is, is super broken, and any fixes to date are > only expedient and insufficient. And or "too complicated to swallow in a small amount of time without fully understanding the problem". > It requires total architecture > rewrite if you want reasonable efficiency (not throwing performance > away) and coherency. Half solutions need not apply -- if the framework > as it was conceived and implemented so far in *BSD was fully implemented, > there would either be intractable coherency problems, or probably > intolerable efficiency issues. Any putative efficiency penalties (granting their existance for the sake of discussion) would be paid only by the stacking layers themselves, and as it currently doesn't work, you aren't going to be paying an efficiency penalty for anything you currently use. So efficiency is a NULL argument. The coherency and efficiency issues which do exist are related to object coherency between layers for very special cases, such as your and Matt's MFS design. I think the intentional intorduction of VM alias objects, given the year or more that FreeBSD has struggled with the *unintentional* introduction of aliases, and the problems that result from such things existing (file corruption, page alises, page not present errors when an alias is used to reap a page in a low memory situation, etc.) are sufficiently negative that it is *worth* the inefficiency in this special case. At the very least, it's no less performant than what exists today. IF VM alias objects are to be introduced (and that's a big mother "if", in my opinion), it should only be done *after* it is proven, using formal analysis methods, that unintentional aliases have been rendered impossible. I think that trying to track an unintentional alias problem would be, frankly, damn near impossible, if there were no way to distinguish an unintentional one from an intentional one. The only way I see clear for this to happen is if they don't both exist in the code at the same time. As an aside, the MFS issues you and Matt are hung up on, and which seem to be the driving force behind the object alias design, could be adequately addressed by creating a device that uses anonymous kernel memory in place of anonymous swap, and putting the FS on that device instead. > If one stayed in the SYSVr2 API world, > the framework as-is would be okay -- however, we are far away from those > days. The framework as-is is inadequate. At best, it kind-of works for some limited cases that people are too afraid to do anything which might preterb them for the situation to get any better. At worst, it fails to match the design document from which it was instanced, and therefore fails any reasonability test. You can't get somewhere using a map in hand unless you know where on the map you are starting. > > I am aware of the ideas being floated to support ACL's in NetBSD; an > > implementation that doubles the size of the inode is a bad idea. Take > > it from me; I doubled the size of the inode for a commercial FS, so I > > well know of that which I speak. > > Which slow, commercial OS did you work on? SVR4 ES/MP. I also did kernel work in SunOS, AIX, and Solaris as part of a number of products. > Why do you put words in my mouth about doubling inode size? Straw man... You are mentioning ACL's. The most current FS ACL work is being done in NetBSD (not FreeBSD). I thought you were referencing a modern research project when you referenced ACL's. My mistake. > > How could the intended use of the fields, now that they contain non-zero > > data instead of zeros, per the backward compatability requirement of the > > original design for the Y2038 fix, be anything *but* a hack? The data > > is on the disks; the damage is done. > > The ODS will need rework before Y2038 anyway. I suspect that if the code > is working by 2010, things will be all well. A UFS2 would eventually be a > good thing. Fie. You are the one who originally posted about seeing years of work frittered away. I am not prepared to repeat that journey; it is a fool's quest. > > > But, please don't proclaim an idea as an implementation, and don't > > > proclaim a piece of hackery as a "solution." I understand your > > > frustration, but because YOUR projects don't get the highest > > > priority doesn't mean that you are being ignored. It seems odd > > > to me that some people think that others should support their works. > > > > What about CSRG's project? Those spare fields were intentional, not > > accidental. Rail as you might, those fields were coopted, not architected, > > away. > > Fallacy of appealing to authority? Fallacy of implied ownership of an issue, merely because I raised it in this forum instead of the original authors of the issue? > Those fields aren't owned until they are used. Those fields were used. That's why they were marked "reserved", not "spare"; an intentional semantic distinction. Do not confuse a field as unused merely because all current instances of the field are zero-valued. By that argument, I could claim that all values that are currently less than Log2 50% of their maximum magnitude are twice as large as they need to be, and those bits are "spare" for me to use. There is a difference between "range" and "allowed range". > The ODS will be changed in the future anyway. It makes little > difference as to where the data is. There is room in the inode, if > needed. > > You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I think you need to go byte counting in the inode structure looking for the room you claim is there. Without modifying the inode into incompatability with existing FS's, it's just not there. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 31 19:21:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wna1.wna-linknet.com (wna1.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A509A151AB for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:21:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frodo@wna-linknet.com) Received: from brenda (cust138.wna-linknet.com [208.128.88.138]) by wna1.wna-linknet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA19151 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:21:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008901be7bee$08dbad80$0200000a@wnalinknet.com> From: "Edward Rempala" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:13:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth b6421cfe subscribe freebsd-newbies frodo@wna-linknet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 31 22:13:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nic.mmc.net.ge (nic.mmc.net.ge [212.72.145.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54663151AF for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:13:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zvi@mmc.net.ge) Received: from mmc.net.ge (giovanni.mmc.net.ge [212.72.145.5]) by nic.mmc.net.ge (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02611 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:11:47 GMT (envelope-from zvi@mmc.net.ge) Message-ID: <37031BEF.F3E1940B@mmc.net.ge> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 11:10:39 +0400 From: Zviad Sulaberidze X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Fatal mistake; HELP! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys! I have a problem, help me! I had 3 SCSI disks on my server with 2.2.7, I brought new IDE one and installed 3.1, IDE became bootable, I mounted old disks like this: #File fstab . . . /dev/wd0s2e / ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da0s2 /.1 ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da1s1 /.2 ufs rw 2 2 /dev/da2s1 /.3 ufs rw 2 2 . . the old fstab on da0 (on old system it was sd0) was: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/sd0s2b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd0s1 /dos msdos rw 0 0 /dev/sd0s2a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s2f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/sd0s2e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/sd1s1 /.2 ufs rw 2 2 /dev/sd2s1 /.3 ufs rw 1 1 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 when I tried to mount firs time da0s2f, then da0s1 on boot I get shell prompt in single user mode, I cannot boot any more because of fstab, and cannot reedit or backup fstab bacuse of "read-only filesystem" please, teach me how to make the filesystem in single user mode "read-write", and how to mount old partitions e.g. /dev/sd0s2f on new system? just I need old partitions to move old data.. Thanks in advance -- He who chooses the beginning of the road chooses the place it leads to. It is the means that determines the end ------------------------------ Zviad Sulaberidze Multimedia Centre, Georgia Tel: (995 32) 335904 Mob: (995 99) 573951 Fax: (995 32) 987618 E-mail: zvi@mmc.net.ge WEB: http://www.mmc.net.ge/zvi ------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 31 22:32:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.jps.net (smtp3.jps.net [209.63.224.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C26151AF for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:32:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulairi@jps.net) Received: from default (208-237-196-133.irv.jps.net [208.237.196.133]) by smtp3.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA04177; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Ulairi" To: "Zviad Sulaberidze" Cc: "Newbies" Subject: RE: Fatal mistake; HELP! Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:29:23 -0800 Message-ID: <001f01be7c08$fb4f1880$85c4edd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <37031BEF.F3E1940B@mmc.net.ge> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I could be wrong, but is it not just a switch you pass to mount? | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Zviad Sulaberidze | Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 23:11 | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | Subject: Fatal mistake; HELP! | please, teach me how to make the filesystem in single user mode | "read-write", To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 31 22:47:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 549EB15D1E for ; Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:47:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (qmail 16961 invoked from network); 1 Apr 1999 06:47:22 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 06:47:22 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA19102; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:47:20 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199904010647.BAA19102@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <199903312141.OAA21836@usr07.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Mar 31, 99 09:41:58 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:47:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, dyson@iquest.net, hamellr@dsinw.com, unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Excuse me, ask Kirk. He designed the damn FFS with those reserved fields > > > for a reason. > > > > Those reserved, unused fields? It makes little difference as to how the > > problem is fixed, if the problem isn't fixed :-). > > Ugh. Now you're just trying to get my goat. > Not really. > > > > > > This is what stacking layers and namespace escapes were invented for. > > > This is why John's students have been able to implement such VFS stacking > > > layers (albeit, not in FreeBSD, where layer stacking is broken), but the > > > architectural principles are surely not that difficult to grasp. > > > > The framework as it is, is super broken, and any fixes to date are > > only expedient and insufficient. > > And or "too complicated to swallow in a small amount of time without > fully understanding the problem". > I fully understand the problem, and know that the current structure is not the right way to do it. > > > It requires total architecture > > rewrite if you want reasonable efficiency (not throwing performance > > away) and coherency. Half solutions need not apply -- if the framework > > as it was conceived and implemented so far in *BSD was fully implemented, > > there would either be intractable coherency problems, or probably > > intolerable efficiency issues. > > Any putative efficiency penalties (granting their existance for the sake > of discussion) would be paid only by the stacking layers themselves, and > as it currently doesn't work, you aren't going to be paying an efficiency > penalty for anything you currently use. > > > So efficiency is a NULL argument. > It cannot be a NULL argument, because continual polishing the t*rd isn't really solving the problem. > > IF VM alias objects are to be introduced (and that's a big mother "if", > in my opinion), it should only be done *after* it is proven, using > formal analysis methods, that unintentional aliases have been rendered > impossible. > The current VM backing scheme is correct and needs only minor extension. In fact, the VM backing is natural (e.g. copy on write), whilst the current VFS layering doesn't handle the needed semantics for coherency without lots of traversal of the layers. Bottom line, the VM backing already DOES work, or nothing in the system would work. > > The only way I see clear for this to happen is if they don't both > exist in the code at the same time. > Yep, get rid of the unintentional VFS layering bugs, by taking advantage of the already needed VM layering for any kind of reasonable VM behavior. That VM stuff is there anyway, so why muck it up with a parallel, and semantically incorrect (or inefficient) structure? The VM layering already has the needed mechanisms for handling shared (and modified) memory "repositories." By constraining onself to the current VFS layering, it simply complicates the system with two different kinds of layering schemes. Don't forget that sometimes generalization of a problem, simplifies it -- and the VFS scheme is TOO conventionally-file oriented, and not very oriented towards data. The "file" abstraction is too specific. I admit that the VM schemes need to be better documented for those who haven't read the MACH (and the new deamon book) information, but once the underlying principles are understood, it is clear that files are a paradigm that are too focused towards one kind of thinking. Such new documentation would mostly be a repeat of already available materials anyway. As soon as a "file" is abstracted to "memory objects", then things become easier. A memory object can reside anywhere, and have all kinds of inheritance attributes, and interrelations. (A file can also, but the scheme as presented in 4.4BSD VFS doesn't do so -- and to expand the notion of file to what I call "memory objects", changes the current layering code so severely as to make it better to almost start over.) The Heidemann framework is a good document on the needed semantics from a file standpoint, but addresses weakly the issues of the memory objects (be they in memory, on disk, or across a network.) With correct protocols, the "memory object" scheme actually does what the programmer expects. The current VFS layering framework only very weakly handle the issues of the "data containers" or "memory objects" themselves. The non-bidirectional nature of the current layering also forgets the forward movement of OS design. (Of course, if every I/O call or access to memory traverses the entire chain, then the current framework might work.) The memory oriented approaches eliminate (or at least handle) the aliasing and local caching issues correctly. The original 4.4/2 framework was so bad, that even local mmaped objects are only weakly coherent (actually not even that), let alone any other caching in the pipeline. With the memory schemes, the problem solves itself (with only minor consideration for the additional expected file semantics.) It is only the proper implementation of VM coherency that the current code works local to a given vnode. It is only a small VM extension, and definition for use, to make an entire layered scheme work. By reworking the entire VFS layering scheme (still looking somewhat like the current implementation, but properly abstracted) the entire solution (instead of a hack solution) can be made available. Remember, both FILE and MEMORY data needs to be presented to the user, and FILE data is a narrow picture of memory. MEMORY can easily be made more specific by presenting it as a file -- however expanding the semantics of a file to memory is more complex (especially with sharing.) When a conversion to MEMORY from FILE and back again, has to be done at every layer, then a scheme is going to be very inefficient or complex. If the abstraction is kept as memory at each layer, then complexities are lessened. Since each layer might have to present a memory image (either as caching or mmap), then with a file representation, each layer has to do the "hard" conversion (given the anachronisitic file-only abstraction.) There is NO cost in keeping the abstraction as memory as long as possible in the chain. If a conversion is needed at machine boundaries, it might be possible to avoid the file abstraction entirely, and create a (MEMORY <--> SOCKET) protocol directly. (It might not be needed to create and use a more complex (MEMORY <--> NFS <--> SOCKET) thing.) > > > > Why do you put words in my mouth about doubling inode size? Straw man... > > You are mentioning ACL's. The most current FS ACL work is being done > in NetBSD (not FreeBSD). I thought you were referencing a modern > research project when you referenced ACL's. My mistake. > Yep... By assuming what I have been thinking about, it shows that arguments about such might be misguided. > > > > The ODS will need rework before Y2038 anyway. I suspect that if the code > > is working by 2010, things will be all well. A UFS2 would eventually be a > > good thing. > > Fie. You are the one who originally posted about seeing years of work > frittered away. I am not prepared to repeat that journey; it is a fool's > quest. > Fallacious argument -- you aren't the author of the original code or those changes are you? The author of the code apparently accepted the changes. (In fact, the changes were also compatible with other users and developers on the codebase.) > > > The ODS will be changed in the future anyway. It makes little > > difference as to where the data is. There is room in the inode, if > > needed. > > > > You are making a mountain out of a molehill. > > I think you need to go byte counting in the inode structure looking > for the room you claim is there. Without modifying the inode into > incompatability with existing FS's, it's just not there. > I suggest coming up with a solution then. Of course, I suggest that UFS/ODS2 needs to be thought through. By taking micro pot-shots doesn't really solve the problem (or the other problems that needed to be solved in the shorter term.) John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 4: 4:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A81815028 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 17710 invoked by alias); 1 Apr 1999 12:04:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 17684 invoked by uid 0); 1 Apr 1999 12:04:34 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 12:04:34 -0000 Message-ID: <370360A7.6399C112@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:03:51 -0800 From: Nocturne Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zviad Sulaberidze Cc: Ulairi , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fatal mistake; HELP! References: <001f01be7c08$fb4f1880$85c4edd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [format recovered] Ulairi wrote: >> please, teach me how to make the filesystem in single user mode >> "read-write", > >I could be wrong, but is it not just a switch you pass to mount? Reference man pages: mount(8) Zviad, to get your root FS and the FS containing your old fstab mounted, you have to manually mount the new and old root filesystems: mount -t ufs -w /dev/wd0s2e / mkdir /oldroot mount -t ufs -w /dev/da0s2a /oldroot Now you can backup your fstabs. After that, I would recommend you run /stand/sysinstall and use disklabel to have a new fstab written automatically. P.S. I know most newbies don't like posting to -questions for fear of getting flamed for asking a "stupid newbie question" (there is no such thing IMO), but -questions really is the best place to ask. Plus it lets more people see the question. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 4:10:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A68615C06 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 04:10:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 19855 invoked by alias); 1 Apr 1999 12:10:14 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 19841 invoked by uid 0); 1 Apr 1999 12:10:14 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 1999 12:10:14 -0000 Message-ID: <370361FB.BE93E02@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:09:31 -0800 From: Nocturne Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Address failure (Zviad) [Was: Re: Fatal mistake; HELP!] References: <001f01be7c08$fb4f1880$85c4edd0@default> <370360A7.6399C112@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Zviad, I pray you get this. My reply message to you failed in transit. I hope this isn't a lasting problem. > : > 195.250.64.94 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 550 ... Relaying denied > Giving up. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 6:36:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from griffin.sytex.net (griffin.sytex.net [205.147.189.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B8C14F5B for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dick@griffin.sytex.net) Received: from localhost (dick@localhost) by griffin.sytex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06938 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:29:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dick@griffin.sytex.net) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:29:05 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Griffin To: FreeBSD Listserver for new users Subject: StarOffice install problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm hoping this works, I've just started my first address from the addressbook in pine. My real problem is that I've tried to install StarOffice3.1 in my 2.2.8FreeBSD box, and I now get the following message when I try to run the 'swriter3' command: ....can load libofa312.so Can someone suggest a solution plese? Thanks for your help, in advance. Dick Griffin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 6:51: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from griffin.sytex.net (griffin.sytex.net [205.147.189.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CEC14D81 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dick@griffin.sytex.net) Received: from localhost (dick@localhost) by griffin.sytex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06969 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:42:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dick@griffin.sytex.net) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:42:46 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Griffin To: FreeBSD Listserver for new users Subject: is ther an FAQ for StarOffice for FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just realized that I maybe should be looking for FAQ's about trying to load StarOffice into my FreeBSD system. Where would I look for such a list? Thanks in advance Dick Griffin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 8: 5:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1846914E13 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:05:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01074; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:12:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: Richard Griffin Cc: FreeBSD Listserver for new users Subject: Re: is ther an FAQ for StarOffice for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Richard Griffin wrote: > I just realized that I maybe should be looking for FAQ's about trying to > load StarOffice into my FreeBSD system. > > Where would I look for such a list? > > Thanks in advance > > Dick Griffin I don't know of any specific faq for Star Office, but I would try searching the archives first: www.freebsd.org/search. Chances are someone else has had the exact same problem as you, and the answer will be there. ================== Quote of the Day ===================== If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments. - Earl Wilson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 11:20: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE4E14C22; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:19:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id FAA21011; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:19:29 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990402051922.18310@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 05:19:22 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: What's in April Daemon News? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e nFrom: Sue Blake Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The new issue of Daemon News ezine has just gone up at http://www.daemonnews.org Newbies Corner for April Books and guides often assume that if you follow their instructions everything will go smoothly, That's usually the case, but on those odd occasions when the unexpected happens it can be hard for a newbie to proceed without asking for help. This month's Newbies Corner column presents an example of failure to make something work, when typical newbie-level problem solving got you nowhere. It goes on to show how to get over this hump alone, by turning frustration into curiosity, so that what started out as a hiccup becomes an easy self-paced tutorial which you control. Once you have a little practice at guessing where to look, you have the opportunity to discover the hidden clues your system provides before anyone realises that you didn't know all this stuff already :-) (And where do you think the experts get their knowledge from? Hmmm.) I hope you will find this article easy to read and be able to use some of the ideas to make your learning time with FreeBSD more enjoyable. http://www.daemonnews.org/199904/newbies.html -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 11:33:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cell-works.com (unknown [208.227.237.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C432B14C22 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:33:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by cell-works.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02843 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:45:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:45:26 -0500 (EST) From: John Daniel To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy , I like to heer peoples opinions on GUI for freebsd. I'm installing XFree86 and I'm going to use KDE or Afterstep or something on top of it. I use a little afterstep on my current system ( a co-worker set it up) but I am not so tied to it I can't try somehting new. so give me your stories on what you found to be easily configureable, fast, good looking and fun to use. TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 13:12:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90F515041 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 13:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA01377; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:19:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:19:26 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: John Daniel Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, John Daniel wrote: > > Howdy , > > I like to heer peoples opinions on GUI for freebsd. I'm installing XFree86 > and I'm going to use KDE or Afterstep or something on top of it. I use a > little afterstep on my current system ( a co-worker set it up) but I am > not so tied to it I can't try somehting new. The only two I have tried are FVWM2 and KDE - I *much* prefer KDE over FVWM2. The main advantage is that KDE is an entire desktop environment, not just a window manager. Plus with the desktop themes you can apply (http://kde.themes.org) the look and feel of the environment is easily changeable to suit your mood. For me, the biggest plus of KDE over FVWM2 is the simple fact that you are able to configure things using familiar (for those weaned on other GUIs like MacOS or Windows) GUI tools. Want to change a background? Right-click in the desktop and choose "Display Properties". The rest of the environment is just as slick. With FVWM (and many other window managers) this sort of thing is done by editing .rc files galore. Very tiresome, although I have to admit that I did get quite a sense of accomplishment once I got FVWM looking and behaving the way I wanted. It just seems wasteful to me to spend days setting up icons and widgets, when you can spend the time doing "real" work. The downside to KDE is that it can be a real bitch to install (use the metaport in /usr/ports/x11/kde) and it is quite a memory hog. I wouldn't recommend it on a system with less than 32 MB Ram unless you really don't mind hearing your HD thrash constantly. Another downside is the fact that parts of KDE are unstable at best, or just plain don't work. For example, clicking on the Help utility seems to do nothing, until you look in your home directory and find a nice big .core file (meaning the utility has caused your system to take a dump). > so give me your stories on what you found to be easily configureable, > fast, good looking and fun to use. > > TIA If you have the RAM, definitely check out KDE. M. ================== Quote of the Day ===================== Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. - Sigmund Freud To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 15:19:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from medt.com (medt.com [207.175.181.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF35414D58 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:19:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tcraig@medt.com) Received: from medt.com (mnt-dial-8.medt.com [207.175.181.40]) by medt.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19857 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:19:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3703FDF2.3212CE2B@medt.com> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:14:58 -0500 From: Troy Craig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: I think I am losing the battle. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I currently am the Sys Admin for a small I.S.P. (medt.com). We hired an outside tech to setup our site and get things running. Since then I have attempted to learn all I can about Freebsd. But I have fallen short. So I decided that my main prob was that I didn't have a machine at home running FreeBSD that I could tinker with, without worrying about Nuking our main server. Well, now I have FreeBSD running at home but I am still getting nowhere. I have a good understanding of Dos and Windows but I have learned that that really doesn't mean much, and have been around computers for about 15 years but much of this escapes me. The system hierarchy to me is so chaotic that I have trouble knowing where anything is. Is there a forum or List server that I could join that deals with lost newbies like me? Tcraig Medt.com Sys. Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 15:56:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D8C155F5 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA21885; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:55:51 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990402095547.33608@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:55:47 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Troy Craig Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I think I am losing the battle. References: <3703FDF2.3212CE2B@medt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3703FDF2.3212CE2B@medt.com>; from Troy Craig on Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 06:14:58PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 06:14:58PM -0500, Troy Craig wrote: > I currently am the Sys Admin for a small I.S.P. (medt.com). We hired > an outside tech to setup our site and get things running. Since then > I have attempted to learn all I can about Freebsd. But I have fallen > short. > > So I decided that my main prob was that I didn't have a machine at home > running FreeBSD that I could tinker with, without worrying about Nuking > our main server. > > Well, now I have FreeBSD running at home but I am still getting > nowhere. I have a good understanding of Dos and Windows but I have > learned that that really doesn't mean much, and have been around > computers for about 15 years but much of this escapes me. The system > hierarchy to me is so chaotic that I have trouble knowing where > anything is. > > Is there a forum or List server that I could join that deals with lost > newbies like me? Yes, this one :-) We can probably help you to work out what you need to do to get back on track, and where to go for any help you need. You sound like you have a good background to learn FreeBSD, a good attitude, and the right opportunities and motivation to learn. We just have to work out why it's not working, or why you feel that it's not working. If in any doubt about your background, look at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/slow/ready.html and let us know where you think you fall short. They might not be areas that matter too much. Your only disadvantage that I can see is that you didn't set up the system yourself and it'll be real bad news if you break anything. That could have been making nervousness get in the way before you had your home system, and by then it was ingrained. Or maybe you've just been reading the wrong books, or expecting too much of yourself. Let's try to get to the bottom of this, because I'm sure there's others in your position without the courage to speak up. What have you done to try to get on top of FreeBSD? What have you read (books, FreeBSD docs, other docs on the system, tutorials on the web, etc)? Have you done a course? What kinds of documentation and reference material are held at work? When reading this stuff, do you read it passively or try everything out as you go? Have you worked out a learning plan with goals set out in small chunks? Do you have any friends who run unix systems who you spend social time with, either in person or on the Internet? Are your computer using friends way superior in unix experience, Or do you mix mostly with people who can barely spell "computer"? How are you placed at work, are you the person who is supposed to know most about the system? You see what I'm getting at here. Some people you mix with can make you feel really good, but others can be intimidating or have too much blind faith in your god-like image. Are there certain tasks, certain areas of knowledge, that you just can't come at? For example, you might start feeling down every time you even think about apache because you've botched it up in the past, but cope fine with DNS if you take it slowly. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how hard the tasks are. There might be some things that you need to tackle again from the start, with a fresh approach and a positive outlook. What are the problems or areas of confusion that are irritating you most at the moment? It sounds to me that there's one penny that didn't drop for you early on, and if we can find that everything else might start falling into place. Cross your fingers :-) We've all been through times when we felt just like you do now. Let's see if getting to the bottom of this can make the path ahead a little easier for you! -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 1 17:14:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B559151B9 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:14:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 25196 invoked by alias); 2 Apr 1999 01:13:57 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 25161 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 1999 01:13:56 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 1999 01:13:56 -0000 Message-ID: <370419A7.FFF00D13@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:13:11 -0800 From: Nocturne Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marty Poulin Cc: John Daniel , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marty Poulin wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, John Daniel wrote: > > I like to heer peoples opinions on GUI for freebsd. I'm installing XFree86 > > and I'm going to use KDE or Afterstep or something on top of it. I use a > > little afterstep on my current system ( a co-worker set it up) but I am > > not so tied to it I can't try somehting new. > > The only two I have tried are FVWM2 and KDE - I *much* prefer KDE over > FVWM2. The main advantage is that KDE is an entire desktop environment, > not just a window manager. Plus with the desktop themes you can apply > (http://kde.themes.org) the look and feel of the environment is easily > changeable to suit your mood. You kids today with yer fancy KDE. Back in my day we had Openlook and we was thankful! Now mind you I had to walk barefoot and butt-nekid through 50 miles of .rc's to use it, but we was happy! :-) -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 2 7:37: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cr343877-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com (cr343877-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.75.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A4914BFD for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:37:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdlist@cr343877-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com) Received: from localhost (bsdlist@localhost) by cr343877-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00302 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:34:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bsdlist@cr343877-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:34:07 -0500 (EST) From: George Halek To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Disk geometry question. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know I have a disk geometry problem because I get the "Missing Operating System" message. I mucked around with the geometry because I wanted to max. the usage of the blocks. The geometry which sysinstall assigned wasted about 5M of disk space. I am running a AMI bios 486 with a 1G scsi drive using the Adaptec VESA 284X controller. I tried to max the blocks by using a geometry with 1 head, 63 sectors and some very high cylinder number. I though this was possible because SCSI allows you to map the drive however you wish. However this does not seem to work. Even though I am using an ADAPTEC controller which has its own bios. Am I still contrained by some parameters? Eg. Boot partition within 1024 cylinders. 64 sector max. 17 head max. or anyting like that? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 2 7:43:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA5D14DD3 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02322; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:51:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:51:27 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: Nocturne Cc: John Daniel , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <370419A7.FFF00D13@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Nocturne wrote: > > > You kids today with yer fancy KDE. Back in my day we had Openlook and > we was thankful! Now mind you I had to walk barefoot and butt-nekid > through 50 miles of .rc's to use it, but we was happy! :-) > Ehhhhh - back when I was just a whippersnapper, if you wanted graphics you had to program 'em yourself, pixel by pixel using BASIC!! And we were glad to do it, too... ================== Quote of the Day ===================== Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. - Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 2 7:47:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8509F14CE9 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:47:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02333; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:55:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:55:08 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: Troy Craig Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I think I am losing the battle. In-Reply-To: <3703FDF2.3212CE2B@medt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Troy Craig wrote: > Well, now I have FreeBSD running at home but I am still getting > nowhere. I have a good understanding of Dos and Windows but I have > learned that that really doesn't mean much, and have been around > computers for about 15 years but much of this escapes me. The system > hierarchy to me is so chaotic that I have trouble knowing where anything > is. I know it can be quite confusing at first, when you're used to seeing everything relative to C:\ ... Try "man hier" - that will give you a quick rundown of the various filesystems and what to find where. ================== Quote of the Day ===================== Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another. - Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 2 8:25:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ADA14CE9 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:25:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07841; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:25:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:24:58 -0500 (EST) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@kalypso.cybercom.net To: Nocturne Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The Window Manager Wars In-Reply-To: <370419A7.FFF00D13@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree completely. Back in the day, people ran twm not because it was pretty, but because it was the only thing that worked on the 2-4 MB system that you had. Nowadays it's cheaper to buy another 32 MB of RAM to run your favorite window manager than it is to learn to edit .rc files. Incidentally, I still like the fvwm family. They're graphically attractive, highly configurable, and (most importantly, IMO) lightweight. Sure, they went a little awry with that whole fvwm95 thing, but other than that, it's a solid choice as a WM. K.S. On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Nocturne wrote: : You kids today with yer fancy KDE. Back in my day we had Openlook and : we was thankful! Now mind you I had to walk barefoot and butt-nekid : through 50 miles of .rc's to use it, but we was happy! :-) : : -- : dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the : gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world : ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a : DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 2 12:12:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1931C14D52 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:12:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 28653 invoked by alias); 2 Apr 1999 20:12:04 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 28628 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 1999 20:12:03 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 1999 20:12:03 -0000 Message-ID: <3705246A.BD659469@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:11:22 -0800 From: Nocturne Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marty Poulin Cc: John Daniel , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marty Poulin wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Nocturne wrote: > > > > > > You kids today with yer fancy KDE. Back in my day we had Openlook and > > we was thankful! Now mind you I had to walk barefoot and butt-nekid > > through 50 miles of .rc's to use it, but we was happy! :-) > > Ehhhhh - back when I was just a whippersnapper, if you wanted graphics you > had to program 'em yourself, pixel by pixel using BASIC!! > And we were glad to do it, too... I remember spending weeks at a stretch write assembly code! That's a language! BASIC, sheesh! You had it easy, boy! -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 2 15:54:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1915B14FF1 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 15:54:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 16741 invoked by alias); 2 Apr 1999 23:53:42 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 16703 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 1999 23:53:40 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 1999 23:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <37055859.E945BB40@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:52:57 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Halek Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disk geometry question. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [this should be sent to -questions] George Halek wrote: > > I know I have a disk geometry problem because I get the "Missing Operating > System" message. > > I mucked around with the geometry because I wanted to max. the usage of > the blocks. The geometry which sysinstall assigned wasted about 5M of disk > space. > > I am running a AMI bios 486 with a 1G scsi drive using the Adaptec VESA > 284X controller. > > I tried to max the blocks by using a geometry with 1 head, 63 sectors and > some very high cylinder number. I though this was possible because SCSI > allows you to map the drive however you wish. However this does not seem > to work. > > Even though I am using an ADAPTEC controller which has its own bios. Am I > still contrained by some parameters? > Eg. Boot partition within 1024 cylinders. > 64 sector max. > 17 head max. > or anyting like that? IIRC, unless your 486's main BIOS has a setting for SCSI disks, the entry it has doesn't effect the geometry for the SCSI drives; the SCSI controller takes care of this for you. OTOH, that space loss you see could just be a misscalculation, it happens. Besides, you're only losing 5MB out of 1GB, does it really matter that much to you? -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 0: 1:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E72F714C85 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 16076 invoked by alias); 3 Apr 1999 07:53:06 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 16054 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1999 07:53:05 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Apr 1999 07:53:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3705C8A9.747F784D@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 23:52:09 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: George Halek , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk geometry question. References: <37055859.E945BB40@uswest.net> <19990403151145.59606@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 03:52:57PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > [this should be sent to -questions] > > Then please continue on -questions and don't cc: back here. I left the decision to send it to -questions up to George because I caught hell the last time I forwarded for someone. It seems I'm damned either way, so I'll just stop answering questions in newbies altogether. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 0:29:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jasmine.psyber.com (jasmine.psyber.com [208.245.56.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEE515093 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:28:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from loliver@psyber.com) Received: from LOCALNAME (d0k.static.psyber.com [208.245.56.244]) by jasmine.psyber.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA04788 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:12:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3705CE35.1ECB@psyber.com> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:15:49 -0800 From: Les Oliver Reply-To: loliver@psyber.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-newbies END To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 0:54:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD79414F2A for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:54:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id SAA28744; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:52:33 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990403185229.63533@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:52:29 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: George Halek , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: handling posting errors [was: Disk geometry question.] References: <37055859.E945BB40@uswest.net> <19990403151145.59606@welearn.com.au> <3705C8A9.747F784D@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3705C8A9.747F784D@uswest.net>; from Darren Pilgrim on Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 11:52:09PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 11:52:09PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 03:52:57PM -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > > [this should be sent to -questions] > > > > Then please continue on -questions and don't cc: back here. > > I left the decision to send it to -questions up to George because I > caught hell the last time I forwarded for someone. That's a shame, because you were probably (but I don't know the full story) in the right there. Anyone who posts a support question to freebsd-newbies, or answers such a question, has not had the courtesy to read and obey the list charter, which is a prerequisite for participation in the FreeBSD lists (as explained in the Handbook), nor the FAK which is distributed here weekly. On other lists, acting against the list charter would attract much more grief than someone politely redirecting mail to the correct list. You did that person a kind favour, so don't fret over it. > It seems I'm damned either way, so I'll just stop answering questions > in newbies altogether. That's right. Ask or answer support questions in a newbies non-tech chat list instead of the support list (freebsd-questions) and you're damned either way. If you are able and willing to answer support questions, your interest in newbies will be most valuable in freebsd-questions. We need more newbies to be seen asking questions there and to be seen getting answers, since it is supposed to support the _whole_ user community. If you feel sufficiently familiar with the list charters to gently guide newbies to the appropriate use of the lists, don't let anyone make you feel bad because of _their_ misunderstandings. Just before replying I was helping my budgerigar to find some of his favourite grass that I'd put in the corner of his cage. All I got for my trouble was a nasty peck. That happens sometimes. We shouldn't give up on birds because they react badly to being helped once in a while. People cause at least as much pain, and require at least as much tolerance. The only way to avoid being pecked is to keep your hand out of the cage, which is a good option for some. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 1: 0:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3CB1510E for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:00:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id SAA28775 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:58:51 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 18:58:51 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199904030858.SAA28775@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 1:20:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F4AF151A5 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:20:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 3556 invoked by alias); 3 Apr 1999 09:18:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 3534 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 1999 09:18:33 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Apr 1999 09:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3705DCB1.640B948D@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:17:37 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: George Halek , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: handling posting errors [was: Disk geometry question.] References: <37055859.E945BB40@uswest.net> <19990403151145.59606@welearn.com.au> <3705C8A9.747F784D@uswest.net> <19990403185229.63533@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > If you are able and willing to answer support questions, your interest > in newbies will be most valuable in freebsd-questions. We need more > newbies to be seen asking questions there and to be seen getting > answers, since it is supposed to support the _whole_ user community. I do answer questions in -questions, and I often answer the ones that no one else seems willing to answer because they're considered "stupid newbie questions" by people who seem to have forgotten what it's like to be a newbie. My day job involves helping people solve problems and find answers and every day I hear them ask me what I used to ask, see them have trouble with things I used to worry over. I see myself in them and for that reason I take the time to help them. I just wish the tribal elders would clue into the fact that they're denying others the things that they take for granted. > If you feel sufficiently familiar with the list charters to gently guide > newbies to the appropriate use of the lists, don't let anyone make you > feel bad because of _their_ misunderstandings. But I'm human, not a sterile man page or a printed manual, it hurts everytime I get shot down for trying to help out. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 1:38:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCF014F2A for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 01:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA23387; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:06:38 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id TAA02520; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:06:36 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990403190636.F2142@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 19:06:36 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Darren Pilgrim , Sue Blake Cc: George Halek , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Which mailing list? (was: handling posting errors [was: Disk geometry question.]) References: <37055859.E945BB40@uswest.net> <19990403151145.59606@welearn.com.au> <3705C8A9.747F784D@uswest.net> <19990403185229.63533@welearn.com.au> <3705DCB1.640B948D@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <3705DCB1.640B948D@uswest.net>; from Darren Pilgrim on Sat, Apr 03, 1999 at 01:17:37AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 3 April 1999 at 1:17:37 -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > Sue Blake wrote: >> If you are able and willing to answer support questions, your interest >> in newbies will be most valuable in freebsd-questions. We need more >> newbies to be seen asking questions there and to be seen getting >> answers, since it is supposed to support the _whole_ user community. > > I do answer questions in -questions, and I often answer the ones that > no one else seems willing to answer because they're considered "stupid > newbie questions" by people who seem to have forgotten what it's like > to be a newbie. This is an assumption on your part. More likely they don't know the answer, or they assume that somebody else will answer. > My day job involves helping people solve problems and find answers > and every day I hear them ask me what I used to ask, see them have > trouble with things I used to worry over. I see myself in them and > for that reason I take the time to help them. I just wish the > tribal elders would clue into the fact that they're denying others > the things that they take for granted. I'm not sure I understand who you're referring to here. Care to explain? Certainly the "tribal elders", whoever they may be, are not denying people anything. If you're referring to Sue, she's doing a good job in trying to differentiate between a mailing list for newbies to discuss their attitude to FreeBSD (newbies) and a mailing list for newbies (and everybody else) to ask moderately technical questions (-questions). As part of the bargain, those who regularly answer questions in -questions have agreed not to answer questions in -newbies. This is all in the charter, and it has the benefit that the lurkers in -questions get to see the answers. It also helps ensure that people don't get too many wrong answers. >> If you feel sufficiently familiar with the list charters to gently guide >> newbies to the appropriate use of the lists, don't let anyone make you >> feel bad because of _their_ misunderstandings. > > But I'm human, not a sterile man page or a printed manual, it hurts > everytime I get shot down for trying to help out. Nobody's shooting you down for helping out. You said yourself that you answer questions in -questions, and that's the right thing to do. The only thing that Sue was asking you to do was to adhere to the conventions. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 2:17:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7105114BCE for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:17:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id UAA28952; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:15:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990403201514.32339@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 20:15:14 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Greg Lehey Cc: Darren Pilgrim , George Halek , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which mailing list? (was: handling posting errors [was: Disk geometry question.]) References: <37055859.E945BB40@uswest.net> <19990403151145.59606@welearn.com.au> <3705C8A9.747F784D@uswest.net> <19990403185229.63533@welearn.com.au> <3705DCB1.640B948D@uswest.net> <19990403190636.F2142@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990403190636.F2142@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sat, Apr 03, 1999 at 07:06:36PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 03, 1999 at 07:06:36PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 3 April 1999 at 1:17:37 -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote: > > Sue Blake wrote: > >> If you are able and willing to answer support questions, your interest > >> in newbies will be most valuable in freebsd-questions. We need more > >> newbies to be seen asking questions there and to be seen getting > >> answers, since it is supposed to support the _whole_ user community. > > > > I do answer questions in -questions, and I often answer the ones that > > no one else seems willing to answer because they're considered "stupid > > newbie questions" by people who seem to have forgotten what it's like > > to be a newbie. > > This is an assumption on your part. More likely they don't know the > answer, or they assume that somebody else will answer. Aah, yes, I see it now. I bet some newbies see a simple question unanswered there and assume that nobody can bother with newbies questions, which of course is not the case. When I see a typical newbie question go unanswered, I used to send personal email offering help, until I realised that that's robbing everyone else of the solution. Now I send private email asking whether or not they've got an answer yet but I don't try to answer off the list. Then I can, for example, suggest other details that could be presented to make it an easier question to answer. Often they say that someone _else_ has helped them privately and spent a great deal of time doing it too. (I just hope it's always someone who really knows their stuff.) With so many people watching -questions I guess this is bound to happen occasionally. Unfortunately the appearance is the opposite of what's actually going on. > > My day job involves helping people solve problems and find answers > > and every day I hear them ask me what I used to ask, see them have > > trouble with things I used to worry over. I see myself in them and > > for that reason I take the time to help them. I just wish the > > tribal elders would clue into the fact that they're denying others > > the things that they take for granted. > > I'm not sure I understand who you're referring to here. Care to > explain? Certainly the "tribal elders", whoever they may be, are not > denying people anything. :-) Oh, I sure know what he means! I'm not going to name names, but occasionally some new cowboy goes tripping into freebsd-questions and tries to raise his status by putting down the status of others. They see newbies as easy pickings, probably a bad habit picked up elsewhere because the names of these people weren't around before they suddenly appear with their put-downs. It doesn't happen on the freebsd lists anywhere near as much as it does elsewhere, and when it does they get to contend with some pretty stern words in private mail that usually makes them stop or at least deflate a little. You've seen it happen in -questions occasionally, but the juiciest bits happen off the list :-) > If you're referring to Sue, she's doing a good job in trying to > differentiate between a mailing list for newbies to discuss their > attitude to FreeBSD (newbies) and a mailing list for newbies (and > everybody else) to ask moderately technical questions (-questions). Thank you! Times like this I feel like everyone's worst enemy. > As part of the bargain, those who regularly answer > questions in -questions have agreed not to answer questions in > -newbies. This is all in the charter, and it has the benefit that the > lurkers in -questions get to see the answers. It also helps ensure > that people don't get too many wrong answers. > > >> If you feel sufficiently familiar with the list charters to gently guide > >> newbies to the appropriate use of the lists, don't let anyone make you > >> feel bad because of _their_ misunderstandings. > > > > But I'm human, not a sterile man page or a printed manual, it hurts > > everytime I get shot down for trying to help out. > > Nobody's shooting you down for helping out. You said yourself that > you answer questions in -questions, and that's the right thing to do. > The only thing that Sue was asking you to do was to adhere to the > conventions. Yeah Greg, I think he understands that. He was just having a final little whinge, which *is* specifically allowed here :-) In fact, you're probably a bit put out yourself when faced with the negativity you sometimes get as the only thanks for helping out. You just don't steam up easy like some of us do, or you release it away from the keyboard. While you're here, thanks for being so willing to treat newbies just like everyone else in -questions. Sometimes when I refer new people to -questions they have emailed me later saying how impressed they were with your support. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 2:54:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from quicklink.quicklink.com (unknown [204.32.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2941414E8E for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from verma@quicklink.com) Received: from quicklink.com (dialup-001.quicklink.com [208.192.165.70]) by quicklink.quicklink.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02113 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 1999 22:37:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37058F1E.A4E4C025@quicklink.com> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 22:46:39 -0500 From: Neeraj Verma Organization: VermaTech Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: More info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like more info. -- Neeraj :) My PGP Public Key is available at: http://www.quicklink.com/~verma/public_key.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 3: 5:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C478A14E84 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 03:05:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id VAA29030; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:03:20 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990403210317.61819@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 21:03:17 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Neeraj Verma Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More info References: <37058F1E.A4E4C025@quicklink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <37058F1E.A4E4C025@quicklink.com>; from Neeraj Verma on Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 10:46:39PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 10:46:39PM -0500, Neeraj Verma wrote: > I would like more info. About what? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 7:23:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.villasenor.org (gateway.villasenor.org [208.128.236.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA78152B7 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 07:22:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@villasenor.org) Received: from localhost (tony@localhost) by gateway.villasenor.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28538 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:25:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 10:25:10 -0500 (EST) From: Tony Villasenor To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: how to obtain 'mtools'? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just installed FreeBSD 3.1 and would like to use MTOOLS. I have the directory "/usr/ports/emulators/mtools", but when I type any of the MTOOLS commands (mdir, mcopy,...) I get the message: Not Found. What steps do I need to take (e.g., get from 3.1 Packages, compile, etc.) to create the command library? Thanks, Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 3 15:51:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A233914CB0; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 15:51:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA00718; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 09:49:22 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990404094916.32929@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 09:49:16 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Tony Villasenor Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: how to obtain 'mtools'? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Tony Villasenor on Sat, Apr 03, 1999 at 10:25:10AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 03, 1999 at 10:25:10AM -0500, Tony Villasenor wrote: > > I just installed FreeBSD 3.1 and would like to use MTOOLS. > > I have the directory "/usr/ports/emulators/mtools", but > when I type any of the MTOOLS commands (mdir, mcopy,...) > I get the message: Not Found. The files in the ports directory are not the actual program. They're just those files which are used to transform the source code into something that compiles and installs nicely under FreeBSD, without requiring much knowledge or intervention from the person doing the installation. Those who are not still struggling with the basics like the fact that you can customise a port before installing it, while the rest of us are happy for now to get a few characters to type with confidence that it will work. > What steps do I need to take (e.g., get from 3.1 Packages, > compile, etc.) to create the command library? For each piece of additional software you might want to install, you basically have two ways of doing it: 1) Use the "port". This method involves compiling from the source code, after applying any necessary patches and config changes. The FreeBSD ports collection automates this process for you, the "port" being a collection of all the little files that are needed to let the compile happen nicely under FreeBSD for each port. If the source code is not found in the distfiles directory, it will automatically be fetched from its Internet site. You should have very little to do to install a port. See http://www.freeebsd.org/handbook/ports.html or /usr/share/doc/handbook/ports.html for instructions and background info. It's something everyone should read. 2) Use the "package" which is an archive of the pre-compiled binaries and associated files, ready for a quick install. All but a small number of ports are available as packages too. I can't find the instructions in the Handbook or FAQ, but basically it's just cd to the directory where the package (archive) is, after mounting your CD if that's what you're using, and type pkg_add package-file-name where package-file-name is the full name of the file including the ".tgz" at the end. If other packages need to be installed before this program will work, pkg_add will install them for you at the same time if they're not already installed. That's nowhere near the whole story, and there's other ways (for example using sysinstall), but it should at least get you to the point where you know what to read and what to ask freebsd-questions. If you have any questions or comments or corrections to what I've said about how to install packages or ports, please reply to freebsd-questions (and cc: me). If you can recommend another web page where this is documented really well, or have any other comments on the documentation needs of very inexperienced users, please respond to freebsd-newbies. I'll have another look through the Handbook for mention of pkg_add, and if I still can't find it I'll be making noises in freebsd-doc to find out if there is some reason, other than lack of an author, why it isn't there. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 4 0:35:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB21E14F75; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:35:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id AAA24840; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:32:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 00:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: rick hamell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Portland FreeBSD users group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Our first official meeting is scheduled for the 22nd of this month. As of this point location has not been announced yet, we would like to get a general number of people first. :) If you're interested please let me know! Rick ---- "Religion exists because man can't belive that he's nothing more then a random accident." http://www.grendal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 4 1:56: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D1D14ECA; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:56:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06087; Sun, 4 Apr 1999 01:53:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199904040953.BAA06087@implode.root.com> To: rick hamell Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Portland FreeBSD users group In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Apr 1999 00:32:09 PST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 01:53:27 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Our first official meeting is scheduled for the 22nd of this >month. As of this point location has not been announced yet, we would >like to get a general number of people first. :) If you're interested >please let me know! I'll plan to attend. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 5 1: 9:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F7C1503B for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 01:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.164.76]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990405080846.EMSQ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:08:46 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:08:11 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990405080846.EMSQ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well folks, it's been a few months since I was subscribed. But I see the error of my ways. So I'm back and with some questions. How many of you newbies have heard about The FreeBSD Diary? Have you been to the site? Has it been useful? If so, what bits are useful? If not, what did you want that you didn't find? Not all replies have to go to the list if you want privacy. cheers. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary http://www.FreeBSDDiary.com/freebsd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 5 2:39:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from infobahn.ibahn.net (infobahn.ibahn.net [207.19.254.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35DC153D7 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 02:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spud@ibahn.net) Received: from backup (backup.ibahn.net [207.19.254.5]) by infobahn.ibahn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA32216 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:37:54 +0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19990405173729.05c48660@admin.ibahn.net> X-Sender: spud@admin.ibahn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:37:53 +0800 To: newbies@freebsd.org From: Raul Ocampo Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe ------------------------------------------ Raul N. 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Tel: (632)913-8888 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 5 12:59:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C69F14C8F for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 14140 invoked by alias); 5 Apr 1999 19:57:46 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 14094 invoked by uid 0); 5 Apr 1999 19:57:44 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 19:57:44 -0000 Message-ID: <37091581.EE4D2268@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:56:49 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rick hamell Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Portland FreeBSD users group References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rick hamell wrote: > > Our first official meeting is scheduled for the 22nd of this > month. As of this point location has not been announced yet, we would > like to get a general number of people first. :) If you're interested > please let me know! As in Portland, Oregon? -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 5 20:56: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from garnet.acns.fsu.edu (gmhub.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.2.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD8D14D00 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) Received: from garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (garnet1-fi.acns.fsu.edu [128.186.197.2]) by garnet.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA49406 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:54:01 -0400 Received: from s1o3q0 (dial406.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.33.152]) by garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA115422 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:54:00 -0400 Message-ID: <00d101be7fe1$275b0c00$9821c992@s1o3q0> From: "Brett G. Castleberry" To: References: <19990405080846.EMSQ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:54:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found FreeBSD Diary a couple of weeks ago, and was very glad to have another source of information about FreeBSD. I particularly enjoyed the article, "Installing FreeBSD on a Windows 95 machine". The "blow-by-blow" account helped me picture an installation in a way that the instructions have not. I am a really new "newbie" (learning unix in order to do this thing). I have decided that the Windows+FreeBSD on one disc, with partitions and all, adds a layer of complexity and worry that I don't need, so I've decided to install FreeBSD on a separate 486 (they're cheap enough these days). Hope to do it between terms here at FSU in May. Meanwhile, I'm working my way through the FreeBSD Manual. Thanks for FreeBSD Diary. I want to explore it more when I have the time. And thanks to all of you old hands for taking the time to fill us in. Sincerely, Brett Castleberry FSU School of Information Studies Tallahassee, Florida To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 6:44:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A9B15136 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 06:44:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10106 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:55:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:55:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Gnome vs. KDE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't want to start an "advocacy war" on these two desktop environments, but has anybody had a chance to install and try both of them? If so, what are your impressions - good and bad - and which one do you prefer? My own experience has been that I much prefer KDE, simply because all Gnome does for me at this point is dump core as soon as I start X. Installing gnome from the ports tree is also a huge task -the libraries and dependencies dont seem to want to install properly. The KDE meta-port is much easier to install (although it can still be a bit difficult when it want to...) I would like to get Gnome working - from the documentation on their website it looks like it will be pretty good - but I have a feeling that it might take me a while to get things going... ================== Quote of the Day ===================== When you read a classic you do not see in the book more than you did before. You see more in you than there was before. - Clifton Fadiman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 9:39:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from boispop1.bois.uswest.net (boispop1.bois.uswest.net [207.108.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C29514F27 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kvgu@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 18014 invoked by alias); 6 Apr 1999 16:37:33 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 18007 invoked by uid 0); 6 Apr 1999 16:37:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Chilly?Willy.uswest.net) (207.225.37.154) by boispop1.bois.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 16:37:33 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990406104105.00794280@boispop1.bois.uswest.net> X-Sender: kvgu@boispop1.bois.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:41:05 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 9:45:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pinto.unsyiah.ac.id (pinto.unsyiah.ac.id [167.205.153.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E8814F27 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 09:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sniper@pinto.unsyiah.ac.id) Received: from localhost (sniper@localhost) by pinto.unsyiah.ac.id (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA02068 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:48:32 GMT (envelope-from sniper@pinto.unsyiah.ac.id) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:48:32 +0000 (GMT) From: S-N-I-P-E-R To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990406104105.00794280@boispop1.bois.uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 13:42:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEB814CC4 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterv@vma.verio.net) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10UccO-0003ND-00 for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:38:44 -0400 Received: from nessie.lan.intr.net (nessie.lan.intr.net [207.32.92.13]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05522 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 16:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <370A7F8C.BCC9E585@vma.verio.net> Received: from iipc245.intr.net by nessie.lan.intr.net via smtpd (for mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 23:45:44 UT Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:41:32 -0400 From: Pete Vanderburgh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides References: <19990405080846.EMSQ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> <00d101be7fe1$275b0c00$9821c992@s1o3q0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Brett G. Castleberry" wrote: > I found FreeBSD Diary a couple of weeks ago, and was very glad to have > another source of information about FreeBSD. I particularly enjoyed the > article, "Installing FreeBSD on a Windows 95 machine". The "blow-by-blow" > account helped me picture an installation in a way that the instructions > have not. I am a really new "newbie" (learning unix in order to do this > thing). I have decided that the Windows+FreeBSD on one disc, with > partitions and all, adds a layer of complexity and worry that I don't need, > so I've decided to install FreeBSD on a separate 486 (they're cheap enough > these days). Hope to do it between terms here at FSU in May. Meanwhile, > I'm working my way through the FreeBSD Manual. Thanks for FreeBSD Diary. I > want to explore it more when I have the time. And thanks to all of you old > hands for taking the time to fill us in. > > Sincerely, > Brett Castleberry > FSU School of Information Studies > Tallahassee, Florida > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message I just subscribed to the Newbies Mailing List yesterday. At the risk of repeating a question, where can I find this FreeBSD diary? It sounds quite helpful. Thanks! Pete peterv@vma.verio.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 13:52:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B446B155CE for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:52:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.164.76]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990406205201.QMFJ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker>; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:52:01 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Pete Vanderburgh Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:50:38 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: newbies@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <370A7F8C.BCC9E585@vma.verio.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990406205201.QMFJ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 6 Apr 99, at 17:41, Pete Vanderburgh wrote: > I just subscribed to the Newbies Mailing List yesterday. At the risk of > repeating a question, where can I find this FreeBSD diary? It sounds > quite helpful. See my signature. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary http://www.FreeBSDDiary.com/freebsd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 13:56:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C1E155DA for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.164.76]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990406205551.QXQP5752963.mta2-rme@wocker>; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:55:51 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: "Brett G. Castleberry" Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 08:54:09 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: newbies@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <00d101be7fe1$275b0c00$9821c992@s1o3q0> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990406205551.QXQP5752963.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Apr 99, at 23:54, Brett G. Castleberry wrote: > I found FreeBSD Diary a couple of weeks ago, and was very glad to have > another source of information about FreeBSD. I particularly enjoyed the > article, "Installing FreeBSD on a Windows 95 machine". The "blow-by-blow" > account helped me picture an installation in a way that the instructions > have not. I am a really new "newbie" (learning unix in order to do this > thing). I have decided that the Windows+FreeBSD on one disc, with > partitions and all, adds a layer of complexity and worry that I don't > need, so I've decided to install FreeBSD on a separate 486 (they're cheap > enough these days). Hope to do it between terms here at FSU in May. > Meanwhile, I'm working my way through the FreeBSD Manual. Thanks for > FreeBSD Diary. I want to explore it more when I have the time. And > thanks to all of you old hands for taking the time to fill us in. Good to hear it helps. It is a difficult balance between too much detail and not enough. Cheers. As for old hands, I've only been using FreeBSD for about 10 months. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary http://www.FreeBSDDiary.com/freebsd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 17:16:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F1C15111 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhughes@shrike.depaul.edu) Received: from localhost (mhughes@localhost) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08141; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:38:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:37:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew J Hughes To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: David Kelly , "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What I love about this message is that somebody took time to figure out which had less letters and how far apart they were on the keyboard! Matt On 27 Mar 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > David Kelly writes: > > I never could remember how to spell apropos but could always remember, > > "man -k". > > "apropos" has two characters too many, and the letters are further > apart on the keyboard than "man -k". No contest. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 17:23:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E61214D72 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:23:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id CAA59887; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 02:21:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Matthew J Hughes Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , David Kelly , "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Apr 1999 02:21:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: Matthew J Hughes's message of "Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:37:47 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew J Hughes writes: > On 27 Mar 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > "apropos" has two characters too many, and the letters are further > > apart on the keyboard than "man -k". No contest. > What I love about this message is that somebody took time to figure > out which had less letters and how far apart they were on the keyboard! Time? What time? You mean you wouldn't know without looking? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 17:36: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D09414C17; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:35:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhughes@shrike.depaul.edu) Received: from localhost (mhughes@localhost) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10845; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:44:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 15:43:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew J Hughes To: Marty Poulin Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does that apply for GNOME? I mean if it works for X will it work for the GNOME project? Matt Web site modified 2/18/99 http://shrike.depaul.edu/~mhughes On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Marty Poulin wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > > > > Interesting. I received your message right after I spent considerable time > > at a place that compares various window managers (got there through a link > > from FreeBSD.org). I was going to download KDE, but came up on another > > stumbling point: Just which of the gadzillion files do I need. Boy, do I > > hate ftp! Just a list of file names with no description. > > Have you taken a look at the ports collection? There is a "metaport" that > installs everything you need for KDE in there - it's what I used and it > worked quite well. > > > But back to the topic of desktop managers like KDE. Does all X software run > > under all of them, or do you have to have different software (I mean > > applications) for, say, KDE and afterstep? I got the impression from KDE > > web site that applications must be written specifically for KDE... > > No, no. Any software written for X will run in X, regardless of the > window manager. There are applications written specifically for KDE which > will only run under KDE, but you can run any X application in KDE or > afterstep or FVWM... that's the whole nature of X. > > > ================== Quote of the Day ===================== > What counts is not necessarily the size of the dog in the fight - > it's the size of the fight in the dog. - Dwight D. Eisenhower > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 17:57:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14A515355 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id RAA08864; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: Pete Vanderburgh Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides In-Reply-To: <370A7F8C.BCC9E585@vma.verio.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I just subscribed to the Newbies Mailing List yesterday. At the risk of > repeating a question, where can I find this FreeBSD diary? It sounds quite > helpful. www.freebsddiary.com/freebsd I believe... Rick ---- "Religion exists because man can't belive that he's nothing more then a random accident." http://www.grendal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 21:29:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from garnet.acns.fsu.edu (gmhub.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.2.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E01C1568E for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) Received: from garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (garnet1-fi.acns.fsu.edu [128.186.197.2]) by garnet.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA77196; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:27:25 -0400 Received: from s1o3q0 (dial134.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.32.134]) by garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA37830; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:27:23 -0400 Message-ID: <020501be80ae$fd1aa800$8620c992@s1o3q0> From: "Brett G. Castleberry" To: Cc: References: <19990406205551.QXQP5752963.mta2-rme@wocker> Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 00:27:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How much is too much? Most of what I'm seeing on FreeBSD/ Questions is over my head and almost discouraging. I've been a bookman all my life, a pressman, a bookseller, and for the last ten years, a librarian. When I returned to school for a masters degree a couple of years ago, my program was called "Library Science". Now it's called "Information Studies", and IT students (along with their tuition fees) are pouring in, at this point outnumbering LS students. Those of us who are dedicated to providing public access to useful information are scrambling to learn how to find and use digital resources. In addition, as I've become acquainted with unix I have realized that our own library automation system operates on top of unix. So, I want FreeBSD to play and learn with. Perhaps I can connect my FreeBSD 486 to my Win98 box and learn about networking too. I sense in your free OS project a spirit akin to that of the public librarian, and I salute you. Brett Castleberry bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 21:36: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from snowflake.apdata.com.au (app3022-2.gw.connect.com.au [203.63.119.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B30151ED for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kirk@snowflake.apdata.com.au) Received: (from kirk@localhost) by snowflake.apdata.com.au (8.9.3/8.8.5) id OAA23382 for newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:04:04 +0930 (CST) From: Kirk McDonald Message-Id: <199904070434.OAA23382@snowflake.apdata.com.au> Subject: Unsubscribe To: newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:04:04 +0930 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 6 21:37:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CE6154E3 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id VAA03219; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: "Brett G. Castleberry" Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides In-Reply-To: <020501be80ae$fd1aa800$8620c992@s1o3q0> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > access to useful information are scrambling to learn how to find and use > digital resources. In addition, as I've become acquainted with unix I have > realized that our own library automation system operates on top of unix. > So, I want FreeBSD to play and learn with. Perhaps I can connect my > FreeBSD 486 to my Win98 box and learn about networking too. I sense in your > free OS project a spirit akin to that of the public librarian, and I salute > you. Well, FreeBSD (and *nix in general) has always been a project by hackers. The Hackers Creed has always been the dispertion of information. In that respect most of us are probally like librarians. :) So in that case you're in good company....:) Rick ---- "Religion exists because man can't belive that he's nothing more then a random accident." http://www.grendal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 7 19:31:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29D5A14D3B for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 19:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@hons.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Useful command To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:29:08 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 858 Message-Id: <19990408023119.29D5A14D3B@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While reading "Essential System Administration" (O'Reilly) the other day, I discovered a very useful command. "file" It identifies the files given as arguments. For example: $ file * battle: ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped cleanup: executable shell script list: executable shell script myprocs: executable shell script nedit: ELF 32-bit MSB executable SPARC Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped In this case, I did it in my "bin" directory. (As you may have noticed, I'm not currently using FreeBSD). I recently upgraded from 2.2.6-Release to 3.1-Release, and I find this command very useful for identifying which binaries are in ELF format and which are in aout format. (I'm slowly but steadily replacing all aout binaries). I hope you find this information useful, Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 7 22: 1: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.encanto.com (unknown [209.185.17.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4181522C for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from GMurugan@encanto.com) Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:00:33 -0700 Message-ID: <87323DE917E1D011ACFC00A0C955B04B4C4638@MAIL> From: G Murugan To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Panic: Cannot mount root Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:00:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I am new to the FreeBSD. I installed the FreeBSD 2.2.8 on a Compaq m/e(Seagae HDD). After the installation got completed and when i tried to restart the PC, i got a read error. I had the harddisk removed and connected to another a PC. Now FreeBSD on this new PC boots but gives out the message "Panic: Cannot mount root". How can i go about this problem and what exectly does this mean. thanx for any help. Thirumurugan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 7 22:18:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4.jps.net (smtp4.jps.net [209.63.224.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C005815238 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulairi@jps.net) Received: from default (208-237-196-18.irv.jps.net [208.237.196.18]) by smtp4.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA12626; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ulairi" To: "G Murugan" Cc: "Newbies" Subject: RE: Panic: Cannot mount root Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 10:14:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01be811a$0d836400$12c4edd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <87323DE917E1D011ACFC00A0C955B04B4C4638@MAIL> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If I recall properly, a panic like this would be caused if FreeBSD was unable to locate the HD where it used to see it. Like if it was a Master on IDE1 in the original computer, and it has now become Slave. Or if the partition table has become corrupt or not what the OS expects it to be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 7 22:50:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from thunder.thumbs.org (thunder.thumbs.org [194.217.125.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7BC153BC for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 22:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from russ@thumbs.org) Received: from russ by thunder.thumbs.org with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10V7mQ-0004be-00; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:55:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Panic: Cannot mount root In-Reply-To: <87323DE917E1D011ACFC00A0C955B04B4C4638@MAIL> from G Murugan at "Apr 7, 99 10:00:31 pm" To: GMurugan@encanto.com (G Murugan) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:55:10 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1668 Message-Id: From: Russ Paton Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello all, > > I am new to the FreeBSD. I installed the FreeBSD 2.2.8 on a Compaq > m/e(Seagae HDD). After the installation got completed and when i tried to > restart the PC, i got a read error. I had the harddisk removed and connected > to another a PC. Now FreeBSD on this new PC boots but gives out the message > "Panic: Cannot mount root". How can i go about this problem and what exectly > does this mean. > > thanx for any help. > Thirumurugan > [snip] Drive Geometry is the key here, you can get around this and get the machine to complete the boot process, simply enter the correct drive at the boot prompt, ie, 1:wd(1,0)kernel This would have the effect of booting the first IDE drive on the second IDE channel with the default kernel - When the boot prompt appears, there is some brief help on additional boot commands that can be used, you can find that it's a little bit of trial and error until you find the right start-up configuration, but it does work. The other option you have (if your machine will also still boot into DOS), is to copy the following files from the FreeBSD CD-Rom: - bootinst.exe boot.bin Now (under DOS) run bootinst.exe and answer Yes to the subsequent questions. Once the program has completed, reboot the machine and you should see a new boot menu that will offer you options dependent on your OS list, ie: F1 Dos F2 FreeBSD Choosing F2 will then boot you properly into FreeBSD, completeing the boot process. I hope that this helps. Regards Russ -- Russ Paton russ@thumbs.org http://www.thumbs.org eouaaWrnmflaalatlyyynew'whwaaaayyy - Name the song - HINT = My Domain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 7 23:40:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from linux.unimetron.net (linux.unimetron.net [193.15.28.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3171115846 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 23:40:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from morgan@spaceage.nu) Received: (qmail 17924 invoked from network); 8 Apr 1999 06:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO spaceage.nu) (193.15.28.164) by linux.unimetron.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 1999 06:37:23 -0000 Message-ID: <370C4ED7.3B2F7747@spaceage.nu> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:38:15 +0200 From: Morgan Sundkvist X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [sv] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth a1f204f6 subscribe freebsd-newbies morgan@spaceage.nu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 8 6: 3:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F6314E39 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13257; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:01:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990408230140.B13213@caamora.com.au> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:01:40 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd user group - sydney Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello all, just to let you all know that we have gotten a freebsd user group started in sydney nsw australia. our next meeting is scheduled for sunday, 9th may at 1 pm our venue will be announced when we know more accurately how many are likely to be there, so please email or post to teh postal adress in teh signiture, below. thank you regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 8 9:40: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDDA15A55 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhughes@shrike.depaul.edu) Received: from localhost (mhughes@localhost) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10968; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:28:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:28:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew J Hughes To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: PAS and NEC CD-ROM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried asking about this in newbies but no one has replied as of yet. So I figured maybe another newbie has run into a simmilar problem. I have a Pro-audio spectrum 16 card on my system which has a scsi connection to an NEC tripple speed CD-ROM drive. I had installed 2.2.5 on my hard drive using these. The 2.2.5 was borrowed and I have returned it. However when 3.1 came out I bought a copy on CD-ROM and am trying to install. However I get most of the way through the installation process and then it can not find the source(i.e. the cd-rom drive) Apparently it is not included in the generic kernel. I have looked at the documentation on the CD-ROM and it lists the pas-16 as supported hardware. However about a paragraph later it lists it as currently unsupported. That leaves me with the question of how do I get it to work? Is it really unsupported and therefore wasted my money or am I doing something wrong? Also if it is not supported how come it was in 2.2.5 and not anymore? Sue if you think that this appropriate to forward to questions please go ahead and do so, you have my permission and admiration, but I do not subscribe to questions so all answers would have to be e-mailed to me. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 8 17:18:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9D3154A0 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA12285; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:16:42 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d12.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d12.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.24]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA12959; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:18:07 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Microsoft Divorce Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quite a while back a questions thread started on the order of "what does everybody actually _do_" with their FBSD systems? With a need to send Word Perfect, wordcrap or whatever format compatible documents to clients all over the country who so far are all running $mscrash--the divorce took awhile but is complete. Corel Word Perfect Personal Edition 8 for Linux took me over the final hurdle. For $57 shipping and book included--well, not much of a book but there is print on the pages--this reasonably powerful program that is better than wordcrap will save files in many formats including those requiring the dreaded "DOC". It's also better than StarOfice, in my judgement and within the scope of a limited comparison period. It's also Y2K compliant including a spreadsheet. Decided to post this because, had I seen a similar message nearly 2 years ago at the beginning of the uphill climb, I would have been greatly encouraged--hope it does something similar for someone else. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 9 0:57: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB7615290 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charon@freethought.org) Received: from c40948-a ([24.1.7.99]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990409075459.IEG19957.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c40948-a>; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:54:59 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990409005448.00a66850@mail> X-Sender: tuathadedanann@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 00:54:48 -0700 To: ML Duke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: charon@freethought.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Divorce In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:18 PM 4/8/99 -0600, ML Duke wrote: >Corel Word Perfect Personal Edition 8 for Linux took me over the final >hurdle. For $57 shipping and book included--well, not much of a book but >there is print on the pages--this reasonably powerful program that is >better than wordcrap will save files in many formats including those >requiring the dreaded "DOC". And if you don't need the book, Word Perfect is free (with registration). And the ports collection will install the latest version (as opposed to the StarOffice 3.1-hey-the-rel-notes-for-this-say-they're-trying-to-get-a-new-version-out-b efore-august-1997-hmmm-that-was-a-while-ago). Since I mainly use the computer for the internet, word processing, and programming and need WinNT compatibility on docs, Word Perfect was vital :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 9 2:59:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B1715385 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 02:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15364; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:57:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990409195702.F14399@caamora.com.au> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:57:02 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd user group, sydney Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org all, # OOPS # to teh people on chat and newbies, sorry, i'm posting this # again, sun 9th may is mothers day. just to let you all know that we have gotten a freebsd user group started in sydney nsw australia. our next meeting is scheduled for sunday, 9th may at 1 pm i have just been informed that this is motherday, looks like we will need to shift teh date back a week, stay tuned our venue will be announced when we know more accurately how many are likely to be there, so please email or post to teh postal adress in teh signiture, below. thank you and please accept my apologies for the cross post, my hands are getting sore. regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 9 14:38:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bsd1.sytex.net (bsd1.sytex.net [205.147.191.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0178B15772 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dick.griffin@sytex.net) Received: from griffin.sytex.net (griffin.sytex.net [205.147.189.146]) by bsd1.sytex.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12119; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Dick Griffin X-Sender: dick@ Reply-To: dick.griffin@sytex.net To: charon@freethought.org Cc: ML Duke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Divorce In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990409005448.00a66850@mail> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, I'm becoming convinced, but I did not see Wordperfect listed in my /usr/port/editor section. Where do I get it? Dick Griffin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 9 15:22:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A48216061 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA03498; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:10:54 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts004d32.mer-id.concentric.net (ts004d32.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.188]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA10437; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 17:12:16 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@ts003d27.mer-id.concentric.net To: Dick Griffin Cc: charon@freethought.org, ML Duke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Microsoft Divorce In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > OK, I'm becoming convinced, but I did not see Wordperfect listed in my > /usr/port/editor section. Where do I get it? Corel (corel.com) has one, I got mine at Linux Mall (linuxmall.com). Duke > Dick Griffin > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 9 15:55:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CF315048 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:55:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charon@freethought.org) Received: from c40948-a ([24.1.7.99]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990409225300.GRRJ19957.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c40948-a>; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:53:00 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990409155248.009dbb90@mail> X-Sender: tuathadedanann@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 15:52:48 -0700 To: dick.griffin@sytex.net From: charon@freethought.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Divorce Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19990409005448.00a66850@mail> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:26 PM 4/9/99 -0400, Dick Griffin wrote: >OK, I'm becoming convinced, but I did not see Wordperfect listed in my >/usr/port/editor section. Where do I get it? Go to http://linux.corel.com/linux8/index.htm and hit the download button (leads you to cdrom.com, actually). However, it installs nicely through the ports (if I do an 'ls' in '/usr/ports/editors/' I see 'wordperfect' sitting right there...). __________________________________________ Charon@freethought.org http://members.home.net/tuathadedanann/ "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." -Albert Einstein __________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 9 19:32:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A06014DD7 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA29352 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:30:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:30:12 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199904100230.MAA29352@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 11 16:17:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enter.net (mail.enter.net [63.65.0.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC981793C for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:51:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sproctor@enter.net) Received: from enter.net (atpm3-3-33.enter.net [207.16.157.135]) by mail.enter.net (8.9.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29254 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3710E03E.28099BC9@enter.net> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:47:42 -0400 From: Sean X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Installation problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to install version 3.1-release. I've made 3 partitions on my hard drive, I have win98 on one with FAT32, another put the FreeBSD files from /bin/ to d:\freebsd\bin\ with FAT16 (I think, when I install FreeBSD it says it's number 5), and the other I have formatted with FreeBSD. When I install it, none of the media I've tried work. When I try to install it from my partition I get an error: Error mounting /dev/wd0s3 on /dist: invalid argument (22) I really don't understand how to install it from the ftp site, but I managed to get connected to my internet provider then when I switch back and hit enter I get and error something like "Unable to connect to ftp.freebsd.org Unknown error (0)" Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 7: 3: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3970A14A14; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:02:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id KAA18384; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:00:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199904121400.KAA18384@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Installation problems In-Reply-To: <3710E03E.28099BC9@enter.net> from Sean at "Apr 11, 99 01:47:42 pm" To: sproctor@enter.net (Sean) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Questions) Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [This is more of a -questions matter than -newbies. Followups directed to -questions.] Sean wrote, > I'm trying to install version 3.1-release. I've made 3 partitions on my > hard drive, I have win98 on one with FAT32, another put the FreeBSD > files from /bin/ to d:\freebsd\bin\ with FAT16 (I think, when I install > FreeBSD it says it's number 5), Hmmm... You may be outsmarting yourself here. I am not sure if the installation will look at the 'D:' partition. The installation guide says 'C:,' but I do not know if that is absolutely required. If you for some reason made the FAT16 partition believing FreeBSD cannot read FAT32, it can read FAT32. > and the other I have formatted with > FreeBSD. When I install it, none of the media I've tried work. When I > try to install it from my partition I get an error: > Error mounting /dev/wd0s3 on /dist: invalid argument (22) When does this occur and how did you create the FreeBSD partition? (Maybe someone on questions can identify the 'invalid argument (22)' message off the top of his head?) > I really don't understand how to install it from the ftp site, but I > managed to get connected to my internet provider then when I switch back > and hit enter I get and error something like "Unable to connect to > ftp.freebsd.org Unknown error (0)" I assume you are dealing with a dialup connection. Sorry, cannot help you there. I've never ftp'ed it that way. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Sean HTH. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 8:50:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tvainet.tva.gov (tvainet.tva.gov [152.85.133.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9C6514ECC for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tjswanso@gie.noh.tva.gov) Received: from topaz.cha.tva.gov by tvainet.tva.gov via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 12 Apr 1999 15:47:39 UT Received: from gie.noh.tva.gov (gie.noh.tva.gov [152.85.77.150]) by topaz.cha.tva.gov (8.8.6/8.7.3/8.7.5-topaz) with ESMTP id LAA10175 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tjswanso@localhost) by gie.noh.tva.gov (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id LAA26474 for newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Toby Swanson N-1417 Message-Id: <199904121546.LAA26474@gie.noh.tva.gov> To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD server success stories X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings to all (especially lurking sys-admin-types), First of all I am not asking for tech support. I want to know what has worked for you or someone you know of. I have the opportunity to recommend replacing a Sun SPARCserver-1000 with an Intel based FreeBSD machine. It will be a general file and print server for about 200-250 users/hosts. Most client machines will be Windows 95 and NT Workstations, with a few Sun Sparcs. The server will have to provide NIS and DNS in addition to hosting 25 to 35 netwk printers. It must also handle 4 SCSI controllers; 1 plain SCSI 2, 1 SCSI 2 that will handle 4 to 6 LUNs on each of 7 targets (irqs). The last 2 controllers must handle 10 to 14 4.2 Gb disks each. We use Samba to share file systems with PCs. We do not anticipate hosting any web or ftp services on this machine. While not on an unlimited budget I can recommend the latest and greatest mother board and SCSI controllers, since the guy who will be touting an NT "super server" will undoubtedly do the same. I hope to use the same hard drives now attached to the current server as a cost saving measure. If you need more information or I have not been clear, please ask. If you have, or know of, any similar success stories I would like to hear them. I know I might get a better response from questions, but I thought I would ask here first. Here if I am not clear about what I am asking for I get questioned, there I get flamed. Thanks, Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 13: 1:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (dialin2017.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AFA14FD5 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:01:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA13524 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:09:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199904122009.PAA13524@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.44); 12 Apr 99 14:59:02 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.44); 12 Apr 99 14:58:39 -0600 From: "Mike Avery" To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD server success stories Reply-To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com In-reply-to: <199904121546.LAA26474@gie.noh.tva.gov> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.02b18) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12 Apr 99, at 11:46, Toby Swanson N-1417 wrote: > While not on an unlimited budget I can recommend the latest and > greatest mother board and SCSI controllers, since the guy who will be > touting an NT "super server" will undoubtedly do the same. I hope to use > the same hard drives now attached to the current server as a cost saving > measure. This isn't a FreeBSD success story. In fact, I could post this message in just about any technical forum I'm a member of.... just change the OS to make the tightasses on those lists happy..... the issue transcends FreeBSD.... and I agree with your goal of migrating to FreeBSD.... I think that reusing the same drives is a false economy for a number of reasons. And whether you migrate to FreeBSD, Linux, another Sun, NetWare, or (blech) NT, it's a false economy. The biggest reason is that it eliminates your fall back position. It's a sad system manager who's career is held on a backup tape. And that's your position when you backup, remove the drives, install them in another system, and then try to restore. What if the tapes are bad? What if the backup software is incompatible? What if .... imagine your worst nightmare here. What if the new system flakes out, and then when you put the drives back in the old one and restore from the tape, something hiccups, so you have neither new nor old server? All in all, if you leave the old system alone until the new one is happy, you have a fallback position. If the new one flakes out, you turn the old one back on. Or reconnect it's cable to the net. No big deal. (And yes, if the system is old, I'd be reluctant to turn it off. I'd move it's network cable to another segment, hub, MSAU, router port, or whatever. And leave it on until I was happy. Sometimes older systems don't come back up after they are turned off. Sometimes it seems this happens most often if you absolutely gotta have 'em back.) Other reasons to not reuse drives - newer drives are bigger, cheaper, faster, and more reliable, so you get more life expectancy and better performance than you do by reusing the old drives. The old drives are used, so their remaining life expectancy is unknown, so new drives again give you a better life expectancy. If your new server will be larger than your old one, you might consider migrating the old drives to the new system after the core of the new system is stable, burned in, and happy. In an business office, I'd let a quarter go by before messing with the old system. You know what your deadlines and signifigant events are. Make sure the new system survives them. Also, test the new system's backup hardware and software so you know you can restore to the new system before canabalizing the old system.... your backup system is only as good as it's last restore. One of the problems that "serious business people" have in taking FreeBSD, Linux, and before that PC's with DOS seriously isn't the software... it isn't the hardware.... it isn't even always the support. Sometimes it's the people on the scene who suggest things that make people who are legally responsible for the outcome and consequences REALLY nervous... things that sound like "let's migrate without a net! No big deal, it's only YOUR business... I can get a new job!" to the guy who signs the checks. Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 18:14:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35D9714D3E for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 22858 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 1999 01:11:55 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 22842 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 1999 01:11:54 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 01:11:54 -0000 Message-ID: <371299A4.5D7F92E7@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:11:00 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Toby Swanson N-1417 Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD server success stories References: <199904121546.LAA26474@gie.noh.tva.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Toby Swanson N-1417 wrote: > I have the opportunity to recommend replacing a Sun SPARCserver-1000 > with an Intel based FreeBSD machine. It will be a general file and > print server for about 200-250 users/hosts. Most client machines will > be Windows 95 and NT Workstations, with a few Sun Sparcs. The server > will have to provide NIS and DNS in addition to hosting 25 to 35 netwk > printers. It must also handle 4 SCSI controllers; 1 plain SCSI 2, > 1 SCSI 2 that will handle 4 to 6 LUNs on each of 7 targets (irqs). > The last 2 controllers must handle 10 to 14 4.2 Gb disks each. We use > Samba to share file systems with PCs. Given these requirements, why did you choose an Intel platform? I would have chosen an Alpha running Net or OpenBSD. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 18:29:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu (sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8677815378 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 18:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (dialup-cc1-78.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.58.87]) by sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23949; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37129D72.A175D4DC@confusion.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 21:27:15 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Pilgrim Cc: Toby Swanson N-1417 , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD server success stories References: <199904121546.LAA26474@gie.noh.tva.gov> <371299A4.5D7F92E7@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why not choose an alpha running FreeBSD ? :) Darren Pilgrim wrote: > Toby Swanson N-1417 wrote: > > I have the opportunity to recommend replacing a Sun SPARCserver-1000 > > with an Intel based FreeBSD machine. It will be a general file and > > print server for about 200-250 users/hosts. Most client machines will > > be Windows 95 and NT Workstations, with a few Sun Sparcs. The server > > will have to provide NIS and DNS in addition to hosting 25 to 35 netwk > > printers. It must also handle 4 SCSI controllers; 1 plain SCSI 2, > > 1 SCSI 2 that will handle 4 to 6 LUNs on each of 7 targets (irqs). > > The last 2 controllers must handle 10 to 14 4.2 Gb disks each. We use > > Samba to share file systems with PCs. > > Given these requirements, why did you choose an Intel platform? I > would have chosen an Alpha running Net or OpenBSD. > > -- > dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the > gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world > ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a > DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 19: 9:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from server01.gw.total-web.net (server01.gw.total-web.net [209.186.12.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D2B14E61 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:09:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bangpath@bellsouth.net) Received: from kagero.gw.total-web.net (host-209-214-79-42.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.79.42]) by server01.gw.total-web.net (2.5 Build 2640 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA08918; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:03:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990412220810.007ad6e0@mail.atl.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: bangpath@mail.atl.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:08:10 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: borehawg Subject: Re: FreeBSD server success stories Cc: tjswanso@gie.noh.tva.gov In-Reply-To: <371299A4.5D7F92E7@uswest.net> References: <199904121546.LAA26474@gie.noh.tva.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:11 PM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >Toby Swanson N-1417 wrote: >> I have the opportunity to recommend replacing a Sun SPARCserver-1000 >> with an Intel based FreeBSD machine. It will be a general file and >Given these requirements, why did you choose an Intel platform? I >would have chosen an Alpha running Net or OpenBSD. Perhaps the lower cost of Intel? And the name recognition of Intel? Not many corporate/government induhviduals really know anything outside the Windows/Intel option, and since he seemed to imply that he's going up against an NT proponant (also prolly on Intel), that would at least give corporate management some sort of "apples-to-apples" comparison. And of course, he may not be familiar enough with Alpha to really recommend it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 19:14:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94D8514E61 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:14:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 26777 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 1999 02:12:13 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 26759 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 1999 02:12:13 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 02:12:13 -0000 Message-ID: <3712A7C5.17531AC9@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:11:19 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurence Berland Cc: Toby Swanson N-1417 , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD server success stories References: <199904121546.LAA26474@gie.noh.tva.gov> <371299A4.5D7F92E7@uswest.net> <37129D72.A175D4DC@confusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Laurence Berland wrote: > Darren Pilgrim wrote: >> Toby Swanson N-1417 wrote: >>> I have the opportunity to recommend replacing a Sun SPARCserver-1000 >>> with an Intel based FreeBSD machine. It will be a general file and >>> print server for about 200-250 users/hosts. Most client machines will >>> be Windows 95 and NT Workstations, with a few Sun Sparcs. The server >>> will have to provide NIS and DNS in addition to hosting 25 to 35 netwk >>> printers. It must also handle 4 SCSI controllers; 1 plain SCSI 2, >>> 1 SCSI 2 that will handle 4 to 6 LUNs on each of 7 targets (irqs). >>> The last 2 controllers must handle 10 to 14 4.2 Gb disks each. We use >>> Samba to share file systems with PCs. >> >> Given these requirements, why did you choose an Intel platform? I >> would have chosen an Alpha running Net or OpenBSD. > > Why not choose an alpha running FreeBSD ? :) That's certainly an option. Even though the FBSD-Alpha project has progressed well beyond "beta" stage, it's still quite young and there are bound to be significant problems in a server environment. I don't want to discount FBSD-Alpha, I've used it and I think it's great (KUTGW guys). But since this is application would appear to be a major server running critical services, I would opt for one of the more established BSDs. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 19:32: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (mail0.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B4F14CEC for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bangpath@bellsouth.net) Received: from kagero.gw.total-web.net (host-209-214-70-40.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.70.40]) by mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA02067 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990412222727.007b7dc0@mail.atl.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: bangpath@mail.atl.bellsouth.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:27:27 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: borehawg Subject: FreeBSD-Alpha (was Re: FreeBSD server success stories) In-Reply-To: <3712A7C5.17531AC9@uswest.net> References: <199904121546.LAA26474@gie.noh.tva.gov> <371299A4.5D7F92E7@uswest.net> <37129D72.A175D4DC@confusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:11 PM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >That's certainly an option. Even though the FBSD-Alpha project has >progressed well beyond "beta" stage, it's still quite young and there >are bound to be significant problems in a server environment. I don't >want to discount FBSD-Alpha, I've used it and I think it's great >(KUTGW guys). Since we're on the subject, could you point me to a URL for info on getting FreeBSD-Alpha? The www.freebsd.org website seems to have almost no info, and I have not found anything on the ftp site. I would like to try it out. -------------------------------------- Andrew ---> bangpath@bellsouth.net -------------------------------------- C++? Java? Perl? To Hell with it!! AppleSoft Basic all the way!!! Dude! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 12 20:31:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2594914D53 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id WAA71087; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:27:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:27:45 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: conrads@neosoft.com From: Conrad Sabatier To: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Re: The Window Manager Wars Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Nocturne Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02-Apr-99 The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > > Incidentally, I still like the fvwm family. They're graphically > attractive, highly configurable, and (most importantly, IMO) lightweight. > Sure, they went a little awry with that whole fvwm95 thing, but other > than that, it's a solid choice as a WM. Give yourself one week with Window Maker, you're likely to change your mind. :-) -- Conrad Sabatier "OK, now let's look at four dimensions on the blackboard." -- Dr. Joy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 13 0: 9:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 618B115262 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:09:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 22940 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 1999 07:07:19 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 22920 invoked by uid 0); 13 Apr 1999 07:07:19 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 13 Apr 1999 07:07:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3712ECF0.44443401@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:06:24 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: borehawg Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-Alpha (was Re: FreeBSD server success stories) References: <199904121546.LAA26474@gie.noh.tva.gov> <371299A4.5D7F92E7@uswest.net> <37129D72.A175D4DC@confusion.net> <3.0.5.32.19990412222727.007b7dc0@mail.atl.bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org borehawg wrote: > > At 07:11 PM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote: > > >That's certainly an option. Even though the FBSD-Alpha project has > >progressed well beyond "beta" stage, it's still quite young and there > >are bound to be significant problems in a server environment. I don't > >want to discount FBSD-Alpha, I've used it and I think it's great > >(KUTGW guys). > > Since we're on the subject, could you point me to a URL for info on getting > FreeBSD-Alpha? The www.freebsd.org website seems to have almost no info, > and I have not found anything on the ftp site. I would like to try it out. There's the freebsd-alpha list. If you can't find anything else by searching the website(s), I'd ask for help in -questions (I'm not sure about asking in -chat). I don't know anything beyond that. The system I got to use was already up and running, I just got to trying it out a little. -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 13 9:15:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B6915847 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA01873 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:12:54 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199904131612.JAA01873@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Window Manager Wars In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In selecting a window manager, I'd encourage folks to consider a few things that may not have been given much prominence of late: * One of the reasons X supports multiple window managers is that "one size fits all" often doesn't: different folks have differnt requirements at different times (& places). * If one of your requirements is ability to be able to be (nearly) equally productive in multiple environments, it makes sense to use tools that facilitate that. For example, if you are comfortable with whatever desktop M$ has for one of its products, using an X window manager that resembles that might be a good choice. In my case, I had been using tvtwm on my old Sun 3/60 (at home) for years, so I use it here on FreeBSD, as well. I can make it do what I need it to do (mostly, have lots of virtual real estate; I tend to keep windows up for weeks or months, and devote certain sections of "virtual real estate" to certain activities). On the other home machine (a SPARCstation 5/110 running Solaris 2.6), I run olvwm -- some of the Solaris stuff seems to work better under olwm than under twm, and I need my "virtual" desktop. (I haven't figured out how to make a given window bigger than the screen in CDE, so that strongly discourages me from trying to do anything more with it.) * If you're trying to learn new things (vs. merely get stuff done), that's a rather different set of requirements. Indeed, in such a case, you might want to be sure that you include "xnest" when you select the parts of X Windows to install: that's a somewhat "special" X server that allows you to run an X environment within X. Given adequate virtual memory, you may be able to do some "interesting" things (such as side-by-side comparisons of different window managers). Of course, it may help to get familiar with such concepts as "recursion".... :-) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 13 9:26:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8629157BA for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA16869 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@kalypso.cybercom.net To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Window Manager Wars In-Reply-To: <199904131612.JAA01873@pau-amma.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I never knew what that thing (xnest) was for...interesting. Is it a well-documented utility? K.S. On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, David Wolfskill wrote: : * If you're trying to learn new things (vs. merely get stuff done), : that's a rather different set of requirements. Indeed, in such a : case, you might want to be sure that you include "xnest" when you : select the parts of X Windows to install: that's a somewhat "special" : X server that allows you to run an X environment within X. Given : adequate virtual memory, you may be able to do some "interesting" : things (such as side-by-side comparisons of different window : managers). Of course, it may help to get familiar with such concepts : as "recursion".... :-) : : Cheers, : david : -- : David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator : dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 13 9:45:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512EA14D53 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA02184; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:43:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199904131643.JAA02184@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, ksmm@threespace.com Subject: Re: The Window Manager Wars In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) >From: The Classiest Man Alive >I never knew what that thing (xnest) was for...interesting. Is it a >well-documented utility? Well, there's a "man page" (that's 5 pages long). Whether or not that contributes to being "well-documented" is a matter of taste, I suppose. On the other hand, in order to see the man page, you need to spell it peculiarly: "man Xnest" (which is in keeping with the name of the executable). Fair warning: like nearly all of the rest of X, it is customizable... possibly to a fault. :-) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 2:15:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from AURA.EL.VTU.LT (aura.el.vtu.lt [193.219.149.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009161526E for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from art@el.vtu.lt) Received: by AURA.EL.VTU.LT from localhost (router,SLmail95 V2.4); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:10:42 Central Europe Daylight Received: by AURA.EL.VTU.LT from el.vtu.lt (194.176.51.97::mail daemon; unverified,SLmail95 V2.4); Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:10:39 Central Europe Daylight qLB Message-ID: <37145BB2.EE157B67@el.vtu.lt> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:11:14 +0200 From: Arturas Sileikis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Installation CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How can I made release 3.1 Instalation CD, like Walnut Creek CDROM Disk 1 from 4? Arturas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 2:29:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nttpc.co.jp (m30.nttpc.co.jp [210.150.3.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F3014F94 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:29:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otsuki-t@sphere.ad.jp) Received: from vaioman-.nttpc.co.jp by mail.nttpc.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W06/16/98) with SMTP id SAA07077 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:26:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <4.0.2-J.19990414182309.00ee64f0@mail.sphere.ad.jp> X-Sender: otsuki-t@sphere.ad.jp X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2-J Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:23:52 +0900 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Takeshi Otsuki Subject: Re: Installation CD In-Reply-To: <37145BB2.EE157B67@el.vtu.lt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies At 11:11 99/04/14 +0200, Arturas Sileikis wrote: > How can I made release 3.1 Instalation CD, > like Walnut Creek CDROM Disk 1 from 4? > > Arturas > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > *************************************** NTT PC Communications, inc Network Department, Section II Takeshi Otsuki TEL: 03 5297 8905 Fax: 03 3526 3647 E-Mail: otsuki-t@sphere.ad.jp 8F Kandashinko Bldg. 2-1 Kandatamachi, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0046 *************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 4: 5:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f90.hotmail.com [207.82.250.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 112FB14F0B for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:05:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hquast@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 32834 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 1999 11:03:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990414110305.32833.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.171.89.253 by wy1lg.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:03:05 PDT X-Originating-IP: [194.171.89.253] From: "Harmen Quast" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: help Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:03:05 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm new to FreeBSD and have just installed it on my computer because i wanted an alternative for MS Windows. I have it working but I do not know the basic command's, swithing to directory's works with cd / cd and ls but all the other commands are still unkonwn to me. I hop someone on this mailing lest can help me. How do you copy, delete, acces the A drive and isn't there a Norton Commander alike program that I can use (how do I get and install it?) Is ther anyone out there that can/will help me? Harmen Quast, Holland ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 4:15: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE3715232 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se) Received: from d1o68.telia.com (root@d1o68.telia.com [62.20.138.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13880; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:12:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tu (t4o68p12.telia.com [62.20.139.132]) by d1o68.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA20221; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:12:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:08:53 +0200 Message-ID: <01BE8677.F2258D10.thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se> From: Thomas Uhrfelt Reply-To: "thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se" To: "'Harmen Quast'" Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: SV: help Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:08:33 +0200 Organization: Plymovent AB X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-post/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is a Norton Commander look-alike program called Demos Commander in the ports ( deco ). And for the questions about commands etc, look in the FreeBSD handbook ( it should be in on your harddrive if you chose to install additional documentation ). Its located in /usr/share/doc/handbook/, use lynx to browse it : lynx /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html. Thomas > > I'm new to FreeBSD and have just installed it on my computer because i wanted an alternative for MS Windows. > > I have it working but I do not know the basic command's, swithing to directory's works with cd / cd and ls but all the other commands are still unkonwn to me. > > I hop someone on this mailing lest can help me. > How do you copy, delete, acces the A drive and isn't there a Norton Commander alike program that I can use (how do I get and install it?) > > Is ther anyone out there that can/will help me? > > Harmen Quast, Holland > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 4:17:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from maild.telia.com (maild.telia.com [194.22.190.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E019C14F0B for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se) Received: from d1o68.telia.com (root@d1o68.telia.com [62.20.138.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11067; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:15:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tu (t4o68p12.telia.com [62.20.139.132]) by d1o68.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA21173; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:11:42 +0200 Message-ID: <01BE8678.5713DE70.thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se> From: Thomas Uhrfelt Reply-To: "thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se" To: "'Harmen Quast'" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: SV: help Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:11:32 +0200 Organization: Plymovent AB X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-post/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is a Norton Commander look-alike program called Demos Commander in the ports ( deco ). And for the questions about commands etc, look in the FreeBSD handbook ( it should be in on your harddrive if you chose to install additional documentation ). Its located in /usr/share/doc/handbook/, use lynx to browse it : lynx /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html. Thomas > I'm new to FreeBSD and have just installed it on my computer because i wanted an alternative for MS Windows. > > I have it working but I do not know the basic command's, swithing to directory's works with cd / cd and ls but all the other commands are still unkonwn to me. > > I hop someone on this mailing lest can help me. > How do you copy, delete, acces the A drive and isn't there a Norton Commander alike program that I can use (how do I get and install it?) > > Is ther anyone out there that can/will help me? > > Harmen Quast, Holland > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 6:45:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4B014BDE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 06:45:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02636; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:54:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: Harmen Quast Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help In-Reply-To: <19990414110305.32833.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Harmen Quast wrote: > I'm new to FreeBSD and have just installed it on my computer because i wanted an alternative for MS Windows. Welcome aboard! Give it a bit of time and you won't remember what Windows looks like... > > I have it working but I do not know the basic command's, swithing to directory's works with cd / cd and ls but all the other commands are still unkonwn to me. > If you got it working, that was the biggest step. Now you just have to build on your vocabulary. > I hop someone on this mailing lest can help me. > How do you copy, delete, acces the A drive and isn't there a Norton Commander alike program that I can use (how do I get and install it?) > > Is ther anyone out there that can/will help me? > You have certainly come to the right place. Take a look at the following websites: http://www.dataiv.peon.net/freebsd/ext/newusers.html http://www.dataiv.peon.net/freebsd/index.html http://www.freebsdzine.org/ http://www.daemonnews.org/ and of course: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook If you have any technical questions, the place to ask is FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org. Good luck! M. ================== Quote of the Day ===================== In times like these, it is helpful to remember that there have always been times like these. - Paul Harvey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 13:37:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED8914C21 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from goodall2.u.washington.edu (durang@goodall2.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.168]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA31196; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:35:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall2.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA75506; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:35:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Marsh" To: Harmen Quast Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help In-Reply-To: <19990414110305.32833.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Harmen Quast wrote: > I hop someone on this mailing lest can help me. > How do you copy, delete, acces the A drive and isn't there a Norton > Commander alike program that I can use (how do I get and install it?) Hi Harmen. I just wanted to point out, in case you didn't already know, that the basic commands for FreeBSD are the same as those for UNIX. If you get a basic UNIX book such as O'Reilly & Associates "Learning the UNIX Operating System" or a monster book like Sams Publishing "UNIX Unleashed" then most of what the book contains applies directly to FreeBSD. Also, you will be needing basic command-line skills to be effective in FreeBSD, so try not to jump straight to a Norton Commander-type utility. There are online man pages, which I hope you installed, to help you with basic commands. Copying is done with "cp", so to get the manual page you enter at the prompt: man cp And you will get a few pages describing how the copy command is used. Delete is done with "rm", and a floppy is used by first "mount"ing it with the mount command, and then treating it as though it were a directory on the hard disk. Do "man mount" to get more on that. One more thing, be careful what you do. If you are in your root directory and you type in "rm -r *" you will DELETE EVERYTHING. FreeBSD will not pause and say, "are you sure you want to erase your whole world?" It will just do what you told it to. Be careful what commands you issue, and be extra careful with wildcard characters like "*". One other thing that you should get used to is NOT rebooting. You can change just about anything in FreeBSD without rebooting. Reboot only when you have built a new kernel and you want to try it out. It might seem like a step backward at first, as if you're learning DOS again. But stick with it and you'll find you have a very versatile tool at your finger tips, and when you're good, you can automate it with buttons and fancy scripts to do anything you want. FreeBSD is several orders of magnitude more powerful, stable, and useful than DOS, or any Microsoft product for that matter. (except Excel, that's one MS program that is unequaled. Statistically, company that big can't possibly do *everything* wrong.) Good luck. Kenneth J. Marsh University of Washington durang@u.washington.edu Chemical Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 14:13:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166E914C3D for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charon@freethought.org) Received: from c40948-a ([24.1.7.99]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990414211100.YUDH19957.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c40948-a>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:11:00 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990414141041.00a4dc80@mail> X-Sender: tuathadedanann@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:10:41 -0700 To: "thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se" , "'Harmen Quast'" From: charon@freethought.org Subject: Re: SV: help Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: <01BE8677.F2258D10.thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:08 PM 4/14/99 +0200, Thomas Uhrfelt wrote: >And for the questions about commands etc, look in the FreeBSD handbook ( it >should be in on your harddrive if you chose to install additional >documentation ). Its located in /usr/share/doc/handbook/, use lynx to >browse it : lynx /usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html. Which of course requires that lynx is installed, which is not a default... The installation procedure varies depending on which media you're installing from (CD, FTP direct, offline). Perhaps the best place to start for someone who isn't familiar with basic commands is http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html __________________________________________ Charon@freethought.org http://members.home.net/tuathadedanann/ "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." -Albert Einstein __________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 15: 2:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5300A14BDD for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA02122; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37151070.CB5CFD5A@milkyway.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:02:24 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harmen Quast Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help References: <19990414110305.32833.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Harmen Quast wrote: > I have it working but I do not know the basic command's, swithing to directory's works with cd / cd and ls but all the other commands are still unkonwn to me. > Try to get a copy of "UNIX in a Nutshell", published by O'Reilly & Associates, Inc., ISBN 1-56592-001-5. It is a brief reference of UNIX, and shell commands. Even though it is for System V instead of BSD, but 90% of it still applys. It is kind of short and to the point, but that can be a good thing when all you want to know is what a command does and what the options are. You can (maybe) order by email from ora.orders@itpuk.co.uk. Good luck and welcome to FreeBSD, Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 16:35:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55E614C3C for ; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: from bb-b1-11a (ppp91.pm3-0.pdx.dsinw.com [207.149.41.91]) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23363; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:31:24 -0700 () From: Rick Hamell Cc: Harmen Quast , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@dsinw.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi Harmen. I just wanted to point out, in case you didn't already know, > that the basic commands for FreeBSD are the same as those for UNIX. If > you get a basic UNIX book such as O'Reilly & Associates "Learning the UNIX > Operating System" or a monster book like Sams Publishing "UNIX Unleashed" > then most of what the book contains applies directly to FreeBSD. Also the 'For Dummies' series of books are good too. They have their handbook versions which pretty much give you the command and what it does with a brief example, very useful. I learned on 'Unix for Programmers,' by Glass, ironically in it's time it was as close to a dummies book as you could get...:) It was geared towards programmers who had never been in to a unix prompt before. > Microsoft product for that matter. (except Excel, that's one MS program > that is unequaled. Statistically, company that big can't possibly do > *everything* wrong.) Except for the 5 megs worth of code called an Easter Egg..... :) If I wanted to know who programmed it, I'd read the documentation...:) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 14 22:35: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD35E150DB; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:35:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id WAA05941; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Portland (Oregon) FUG meeting update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, sorry this took longer then I thought, some customers do not take no #$*@(!*#)( way for an answer. :) The first official meeting for the Portland Oregon FreeBSD Users Group will be held Thursday, April 22nd at the Denny's on MLK/Grand at 6:30pm (give us all time to head home/etc. :) The Denny's is located one block north of the Hilton and about two north of the Portland Convention Center. If you need more detailed instructions, please let me know. :) Rick ---- "Religion exists because man can't belive that he's nothing more then a random accident." http://www.grendal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 16 19:32:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCB915086 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 19:32:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA13816 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:30:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:30:12 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199904170230.MAA13816@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 17 18:59:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from serv01.net-link.net (serv01.net-link.net [205.217.6.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3F014C34 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bearmw@net-link.net) Received: from bearmw (pm203-13.kz.net-link.net [205.217.6.177]) by serv01.net-link.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25856 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:56:51 -0400 Message-ID: <37193B76.51D5@net-link.net> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 21:55:02 -0400 From: "Michael W. Wathen" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: web and my server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I want to get a server for my company so I can be on the internet but I have a few questions. how do I make a web page on it and have people be able to access it? Another is if when a worker dials in can they get into windows or do they have to use unix. I have had a shell account a long time on someone else's server but I don't understand quite how it all works.I would be very thankful if you could help sort this all out for me. The reason I am asking you is because my shell account uses your software. Thank! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 0:42:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C787C14EC4 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r45.bfm.org [208.18.213.141]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id DAA03837; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990418023741.00918270@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:37:41 -0500 To: "Michael W. Wathen" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: web and my server In-Reply-To: <37193B76.51D5@net-link.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 21:55 17-04-1999 -0400, Michael W. Wathen wrote: >I want to get a server for my company so I can be on the internet but I >have a few questions. how do I make a web page on it and have people be >able to access it? You'll need to run a web server, such as Apache. Take a look at http://www.apache.org/ to learn about it. Hopefully someone more experienced will tell you more. > Another is if when a worker dials in can they get >into windows or do they have to use unix. I have had a shell account a >long time on someone else's server but I don't understand quite how it >all works. They will not be able to get INTO windows. They will be able to dial in FROM a windows computer though, by using telnet.exe which comes standard with Windows. They will continue to run Windows on their end while using Unix on yours. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 1: 0:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DAB14EC4 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.164.76]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990418080004.MLHF5752963.mta2-rme@wocker>; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:00:04 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: "Michael W. Wathen" Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:58:13 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: web and my server Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.19990418023741.00918270@mail.bfm.org> References: <37193B76.51D5@net-link.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990418080004.MLHF5752963.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18 Apr 99, at 2:37, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > You'll need to run a web server, such as Apache. Take a look at > http://www.apache.org/ to learn about it. Hopefully someone more > experienced will tell you more. There's a bit on my website on installing and configuring Apache. Look at the topics page. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 9:54:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.freewwweb.com (mx2.freewwweb.com [216.70.64.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6160014CEC for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rluedtke@freewwweb.com) Received: from [209.64.190.176] (ppp-127.tnt-1.aus.smartworld.net [209.64.190.176]) by mx2.freewwweb.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA39764543 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904181653.MAA39764543@mx2.freewwweb.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:53:25 -0500 Subject: subscribe From: "Robert M. Luedtke" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to subscribe rluedtke@freewwweb.com Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 12:18:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from metis.host4u.net (metis.host4u.net [209.150.128.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F1D14D98 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan.langille@dvl-software.com) Received: from wocker (210-55-164-76.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.164.76]) by metis.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21107; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:16:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199904181916.OAA21107@metis.host4u.net> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: "Robert M. Luedtke" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:16:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: subscribe Reply-To: dan.langille@dvl-software.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199904181653.MAA39764543@mx2.freewwweb.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You need to send a msg to majordomo@freebsd.org with "subscribe newbies" in the body of the message. On 18 Apr 99, at 11:53, Robert M. Luedtke wrote: > I would like to subscribe > rluedtke@freewwweb.com > Thanks > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.racingsystem.com : for race timing solutions http://www.freebsddiary.org : how-to guides for FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 12:24:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from P1 (www.contel.co.il [192.117.232.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B85D154FB for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ariel@TheHouseofDavid.com) Received: from p1.isdn.net.il - 192.115.104.11 by isdn.net.il with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:40:10 +0300 Received: from (pri1215.isdn.net.il [192.115.106.215]) by p1.isdn.net.il with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:40:10 +0200 From: ariel@TheHouseofDavid.com To: ariel@TheHouseofDavid.com Subject: God in this World Message-ID: <045891040081249P1@isdn.net.il> Date: 18 Apr 1999 11:40:10 +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What were you doing there? I was soul searching... No you weren't.... Your soul was trying to tell you something. What does God want from me in this world? What is my purpose? Have I ever seriously and honestly really considered this? What does God require of me? Do I know what the laws of the Covenent that Noah made with God are? Do I know what is the ancient Torah? What it says about today's world? How it explains how God works in the world? "The world depends on three things:Torah Study, Service of God and Kind deeds" Ethics of the Fathers " Delay or perversion of Justice or not listening to the sages brings the sword to the world..." Ethics of the Father "Embarrasing a person or ruining his name is likened to murder" The Torah "Justice, Justice thou shall pursue... I know your hearts and I know your thoughts.... .....for I Created you" The Torah "God heals the broken hearted.... He hears the cries of the poor and oppressed... ..... He is with those who are pure of heart and good.... He feeds all the animals... ......He will not let the wicked to go unpunished....... He has mercy to the repentent.........." The Psalms "The sages of Israel have observed that in times when there is no fully operational Israelite Temple in Jerusalem, the four methods of judicial death penalties commanded by God (stoning, fire, beheading and strangulation) in Israelite Law are carried out by the Hand of God in alternate forms (Rav Yonah of Gerona in Gates of Repentance quoting Talmud Sanhedrin 37B). When people are liable for death by strangulation; as in the instance of elders rebelling against the laws of justice or adultry for example; God may decree a substitute for strangulation such as flooding.... The great LA floods of the early 1990s can be attributed largly to injustice caused by elders rebelling against the Divine Torah Laws of Justice and adultry commited there in greater LA area).... This way God brings justice to the world according to His Laws of Justice as punishment and atonement (a kind of "cosmic correction") for man's deviation from following His laws.... Man has been commanded by God to carry out justice according to the Law of God's Covenent; not according to the philosophical whims and transient opinions of the day.... In conclusion, non-Israelites must follow the 7 categories of Noachide commandments and Jewish people must do the 613 Israelite commandments for God's full blessing in this world and hereafter. " As quoted from the Web Page of the House of David. This message of ancient wisdom that has stood the test of time has been brought ot you by www.TheHouseofDavid.com Thank you kindly. On this web page you will find out horrible things the government does not want you to know...... includuing names and addresses of corrupt public officials in the US justice department, horrible atrocities they have commited against innocent people right on US soil, institutionalized collusion between the italien mafia and the corrupt government in the USA, the FBI'sI narcotics trafficking and child sex rings, the war against wickedness and evil in the US including God's direct intervention, learn why the Christian religion is false, God's Law, contemporary music of the House of David,.... and more..... May God's Blessings from Jerusalem be with you. Ariel Ben YaakovThe House of David POB 32097 Jerusalem, Israel 91320 www.TheHouseofDavid.com To remove, please just write "Remove" in the subject box, and thats all, and send to webmaster@TheHouseofDavid.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 14:22:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.megsinet.net (mailcluster-a.megsinet.net [216.214.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AF614CBA for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from laander@megsinet.net) Received: from megspo.megsinet.net (tnt2-119.focal-chi.megsinet.net) by mail.megsinet.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) with SMTP id <0FAE004QMM0N4K@mail.megsinet.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:22:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:21:39 -0500 From: Larry Anderson Subject: Disk Naming Scheme & WordPerfect Install Help To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: Larry Anderson Message-id: <000348cd0fbcb41e_mailit@megspo.megsinet.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 2.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Could someone point me toward or explain how the disk naming scheme works? For example what does wd1 or wdc1 stand for? Also, I got wordperfect for the ports but when I attempt to 'make install' it gives me all sorts of errors about .ELF not being recognized. What does this mean? I couldn't figure out what to use brandelf on to fix this. Thanks. Larry Anderosn laander@megsinet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 14:34:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07EF714D6E for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:34:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima49@usa.net) Received: (qmail 274 invoked from network); 18 Apr 1999 21:31:37 -0000 Received: from nw179.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.79) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 18 Apr 1999 21:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 473 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 1999 21:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990418212456.472.qmail@nw179.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.79 by nw179 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.70) on Sun Apr 18 21:24:56 GMT 1999 Date: 18 Apr 99 15:24:56 MDT From: Dmitry Strakovsky To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.70) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 14:58:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1323714CBF for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterv@vma.verio.net) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10YzW0-0003dW-00; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:54:12 -0400 Received: from nessie.lan.intr.net (nessie.lan.intr.net [207.32.92.13]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13615; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <371A551F.B4FC1EFB@vma.verio.net> Received: from iipc245.intr.net by nessie.lan.intr.net via smtpd (for mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 01:01:24 UT Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:56:47 -0400 From: Pete Vanderburgh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brett G. Castleberry" Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides References: <19990406205551.QXQP5752963.mta2-rme@wocker> <020501be80ae$fd1aa800$8620c992@s1o3q0> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F762400D69846AB801D21105" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------F762400D69846AB801D21105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brett G. Castleberry" wrote: > How much is too much? Most of what I'm seeing on FreeBSD/ Questions is over > my head and almost discouraging. Agreed! > I've been a bookman all my life, a > pressman, a bookseller, and for the last ten years, a librarian. When I > returned to school for a masters degree a couple of years ago, my program > was called "Library Science". Now it's called "Information Studies", and IT > students (along with their tuition fees) are pouring in, at this point > outnumbering LS students. Those of us who are dedicated to providing public > access to useful information are scrambling to learn how to find and use > digital resources. In addition, as I've become acquainted with unix I have > realized that our own library automation system operates on top of unix. I am curious about what you mean exactly by 'on top of UNIX'. I too, am *quite* the newbie in regard to UNIX and FreeBSD. I'm also curious to hear more, as I myself was a librarian; not professionally, but in college. From 1988-1993 I learned a wide variety of electronic resources used for reference and cataloguing (we had these new-fangled "CD-ROM"s. Oooh!). And then, I graduated, just as the internet, in it's 'mainstream' form began to emerge. Very frustrating! > > So, I want FreeBSD to play and learn with. Perhaps I can connect my > FreeBSD 486 to my Win98 box and learn about networking too. I sense in your > free OS project a spirit akin to that of the public librarian, and I salute > you. That's how I understand it to. Freedom of information! > > > Brett Castleberry > bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- ===================================== Pete Vanderburgh Verio Web Hosting, Vienna, VA. (703)749-7955 x1306 peterv@verio.net ===================================== --------------F762400D69846AB801D21105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brett G. Castleberry" wrote:
How much is too much?  Most of what I'm seeing on FreeBSD/ Questions is over
my head and almost discouraging.


Agreed!
 

I've been a bookman all my life, a
pressman, a bookseller, and for the last ten years, a librarian.  When I
returned to school for a masters degree a couple of years ago, my program
was called "Library Science".  Now it's called "Information Studies", and IT
students (along with their tuition fees) are pouring in, at this point
outnumbering LS students.  Those of us who are dedicated to providing public
access to useful information are scrambling to learn how to find and use
digital resources.  In addition, as I've become acquainted with unix I have
realized that our own library automation system operates on top of unix.


I am curious about what you mean exactly by 'on top of UNIX'.  I too, am *quite* the newbie in regard to UNIX and FreeBSD.

I'm also curious to hear more, as I myself was a librarian; not professionally, but in college.  From 1988-1993 I learned a wide variety of electronic resources used for reference and cataloguing (we had these new-fangled "CD-ROM"s.  Oooh!).

And then, I graduated, just as the internet, in it's 'mainstream' form began to emerge.  Very frustrating!

 
So, I want FreeBSD to play and learn with.  Perhaps I can connect  my
FreeBSD 486 to my Win98 box and learn about networking too.  I sense in your
free OS project a spirit akin to that of the public librarian, and I salute
you.


That's how I understand it to.  Freedom of information!

 
 
Brett Castleberry
bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu

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  --------------F762400D69846AB801D21105-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 19:38: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [209.219.168.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4EA14C29 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 19:38:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from korvus@tasam.com) Received: from korvus (207-172-69-162.s257.tnt23.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.69.162]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA15760 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501be8a0d$336ad580$1438fea9@korvus> From: "Korvus" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 22:34:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 18 20:48:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FCB914DDD for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id XAA06916; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:45:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199904190345.XAA06916@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Disk Naming Scheme & WordPerfect Install Help In-Reply-To: <000348cd0fbcb41e_mailit@megspo.megsinet.net> from Larry Anderson at "Apr 18, 99 04:21:39 pm" To: laander@megsinet.net Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Larry Anderson wrote, > Hi, > Could someone point me toward or explain how the disk naming scheme works? > For example what does wd1 or wdc1 stand for? 'wd' is the device type for just about any IDE hard drive. It actually stands for 'Wester Digital.' See the wd(4) manpage for a little about that. 'wdc' is an IDE controller. You can have up to two, 'wdc0' and 'wdc1.' Each controller can have two devices. If they are all hard drives, they would be, wd0, wd1, wd2, and wd3, where 0 and 1 are master and slave, respectively, on the primary controller, and 2 and 3 are master and slave on the secondary. It is also possible to have other types of IDE devices like 'wcd0' (now called 'acd0' in 3.1) for the very common IDE CDROM. > Also, I got wordperfect for the ports but when I attempt to 'make install' > it gives me all sorts of errors about .ELF not being recognized. What does > this mean? I couldn't figure out what to use brandelf on to fix this. > Thanks. I had no trouble with adding WordPerfect to a 3.1 system from the ports. You are trying to do it with 3.1, right? For a question like this about specific problems with a port, you might be better off in -questions. (The first question, IMHO, is a very good one for newbies... if you don't expect too much detail. ;) -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 19 0:14:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8763E14FBF for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.164.76]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990419065645.UTAQ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:56:45 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:55:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz In-reply-to: <371A551F.B4FC1EFB@vma.verio.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990419065645.UTAQ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18 Apr 99, at 17:56, Pete Vanderburgh wrote: > "Brett G. Castleberry" wrote: > > > How much is too much? Most of what I'm seeing on FreeBSD/ Questions is > > over my head and almost discouraging. > > Agreed! Does it help if I say I'm a newbie? Sure, I've used computer for 20+ years, but I've only used FreeBSD for less then 12 months. > I am curious about what you mean exactly by 'on top of UNIX'. I too, am > *quite* the newbie in regard to UNIX and FreeBSD. I'm certainly not on top of it. In some areas, I'm quite confident of my abilities. For example, installation and configuration. But when it comes to file/directory permissions, finding out who's done what, etc, I'm lost. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 19 7:29:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lance.castle.net (lance.castle.net [199.173.5.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4F5E15546 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:29:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gkaplan@castle.net) Received: (qmail 919 invoked from network); 19 Apr 1999 14:24:04 -0000 Received: from parsip-usr-86.intac.com (HELO castle.net) (199.173.8.157) by lance.castle.net with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 14:24:04 -0000 Message-ID: <371B3D22.FC230BDA@castle.net> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:26:42 -0400 From: gkaplan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides References: <19990419065645.UTAQ5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe that you ment http://www.freebsddiarry.com/freebsd/ . Dan Langille wrote: > On 18 Apr 99, at 17:56, Pete Vanderburgh wrote: > > > "Brett G. Castleberry" wrote: > > > > > How much is too much? Most of what I'm seeing on FreeBSD/ Questions is > > > over my head and almost discouraging. > > > > Agreed! > Does it help if I say I'm a newbie? Sure, I've used computer for 20+ > years, but I've only used FreeBSD for less then 12 months. > > > I am curious about what you mean exactly by 'on top of UNIX'. I too, am > > *quite* the newbie in regard to UNIX and FreeBSD. > > I'm certainly not on top of it. In some areas, I'm quite confident of my > abilities. For example, installation and configuration. But when it > comes to file/directory permissions, finding out who's done what, etc, I'm > lost. > > -- > Dan Langille > The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd > NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ > The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 19 19: 5:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B2215678 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:05:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evrlst@bellatlantic.net) Received: from cordis-user (client-118-2.bellatlantic.net [151.198.118.2]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA09282 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:01:54 -0400 Message-ID: <01BE8AB0.3C7C2A40.evrlst@bellatlantic.net> From: Aseem Dhanda To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: FW: Freebsd installation errors Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:01:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Is there a way to uninstall or delete the boot manager that comes with freebsd? I tried installing freebsd but got many errors messages and the setup aborted. When I reboot the cpu it says "F1 dos F2 freebsd," how can i get rid of this? Thanks -e5-Ever To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 19 19:10:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E0D155FF for ; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id TAA04386; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:03:11 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: Aseem Dhanda Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: FW: Freebsd installation errors In-Reply-To: <01BE8AB0.3C7C2A40.evrlst@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there a way to uninstall or delete the boot manager that comes with > freebsd? I tried installing freebsd but got many errors messages and the > setup aborted. When I reboot the cpu it says "F1 dos F2 freebsd," how can > i get rid of this? Thanks My favorite command in the world, fdisk /mbr from a Dos disk...:) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 20 1:42:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andromeda. (andromeda.domainnt.net [209.26.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 44EFB15380; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from SomeGuy@Undernet.org) Received: from __NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD_ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:42:44 -0400 From: SomeGuy@Undernet.org Message-Id: <199904200842.EAA09682@andromeda.> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The FreeBSD Diary X-Mailer: Euthanasia 1.52 by http://kr0mecorp.home.ml.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now.. i know you Dan.. you're an ok guy when it comes to dedication to atleast being around and visably appearing to help out.. but theres definatelly somehtign about your site.. and you for that matter that just plain sucks rodent balls. When you sold out to the con and added banners it was ok.. i guess.. becos.. ya might as well make a penny or two for your efforts off the occasional pink who really wants to know about the new Orik X-10 caniaster vaccume cleaner...But I swear.. your answer for everything is to pimp your damn site.. You dont give a fuck about helping anyone no matter what you pretend or how much work yo do to try and make us believe it. Your site may of helped me do a couple things... granted and for that I thank you for making it.. but jesus fucking christ, your insessant pimping of it is driving us buggy. Git off you doubleclicking ass and help someone in channel for a change. P.S. Thank you To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 20 1:55:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andromeda. (www.gordon.md [209.26.120.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 76F1014CD4; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from SomeGuy@Undernet.org) Received: from __NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD____NJORD_ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:56:12 -0400 From: SomeGuy@Undernet.org Message-Id: <199904200856.EAA09685@andromeda.> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The FreeBSD Diary X-Mailer: Euthanasia 1.52 by http://kr0mecorp.home.ml.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org P.P.S. Who gives a shit abou tracing lights but you.. C'mon.. alias that fucking domain name to the /freebsd directory for christ sakes... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 20 2:24:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shell01.prophetnetworks.net (shell01.prophetnetworks.net [38.194.117.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9291518D; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 02:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net) Received: from localhost (bvaughn@localhost) by shell01.prophetnetworks.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA30773; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:21:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:21:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Vaughn To: SomeGuy@Undernet.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary In-Reply-To: <199904200842.EAA09682@andromeda.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some Guy, I found your letter so amazingly bad that I decided to re-write it for you properly. Here you go! Now, I know you Dan, and you are pretty nice guy when it comes to dedication to at least being around and visibly appearing to help out, but theres definitely somthing wrong with your site. I actually believe that it sucks plain rodent balls! When you sold out to commercial advertising and added banners to your web site, I did'nt much mind, because you might as well make some money off of the occasional web visitor. But recently, everything you have talked with me about has included advertising your site! I no longer think that you care about helping people no matter how much you pretend to. Your site may of helped me to accomplish one or two things, and I personally thank you for that, however, incessant advertising of your web site is driving us mad. Please, from now on, help other users in the channel. Lovingly, Some Guy. On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 SomeGuy@Undernet.org wrote: > Now.. i know you Dan.. you're an ok guy when it comes to dedication to > atleast being around and visably appearing to help out.. but theres > definatelly somehtign about your site.. and you for that matter that just > plain sucks rodent balls. When you sold out to the con and added banners > it was ok.. i guess.. becos.. ya might as well make a penny or two for > your efforts off the occasional pink who really wants to know about the > new Orik X-10 caniaster vaccume cleaner...But I swear.. your answer for > everything is to pimp your damn site.. You dont give a fuck about > helping anyone no matter what you pretend or how much work yo do to > try and make us believe it. Your site may of helped me do a couple > things... granted and for that I thank you for making it.. but jesus fucking > christ, your insessant pimping of it is driving us buggy. Git off you > doubleclicking ass and help someone in channel for a change. > > P.S. Thank you > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -biv. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 20 4: 3:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from neuman.interaccess.com (neuman.interaccess.com [207.70.126.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E2014BE2; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:03:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ras@interaccess.com) Received: from wildrock (d81.tp.interaccess.com [199.88.134.81]) by neuman.interaccess.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA19008; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:00:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Silva" To: , , Subject: RE: The FreeBSD Diary Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:01:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be8b1d$2afe8bb0$0a00000a@wildrock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199904200842.EAA09682@andromeda.> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I personally think, this really ought to have been kept in private. After all, that's what email is for... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of > SomeGuy@Undernet.org > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 3:43 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: The FreeBSD Diary > > > Now.. i know you Dan.. you're an ok guy when it comes to dedication to > atleast being around and visably appearing to help out.. --- Snip --- (We all know what the rest of it is...) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 20 4:21:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5FF155F0 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:21:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id VAA10422; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:18:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990420211818.36076@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:18:18 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Chris Silva Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary References: <199904200842.EAA09682@andromeda.> <000a01be8b1d$2afe8bb0$0a00000a@wildrock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <000a01be8b1d$2afe8bb0$0a00000a@wildrock>; from Chris Silva on Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 06:01:40AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 06:01:40AM -0500, Chris Silva wrote: > I personally think, this really ought to have been kept in private. > After all, that's what email is for... I agree. The correct action when you see something like this and judge it to be inappropriate, is to do NOTHING. Replying only prolongs the stupidity, brings you down to their standards, and gives them the thrill of recognition that was their original goal. As you point out, private mail is the appropriate medium if a response is really necessary. By the time a reply can reach the list, the unwise poster has probably already tasted my scorn, or worse, my lectures. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 20 14:49:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A040153D3 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id RAA10778; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:47:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199904202147.RAA10778@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary In-Reply-To: <19990420211818.36076@welearn.com.au> from Sue Blake at "Apr 20, 99 09:18:18 pm" To: sue@welearn.com.au (Sue Blake) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ras@interaccess.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote, > On Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 06:01:40AM -0500, Chris Silva wrote: > > I personally think, this really ought to have been kept in private. > > After all, that's what email is for... > > I agree. The correct action when you see something like this and judge > it to be inappropriate, is to do NOTHING. Replying only prolongs the > stupidity, brings you down to their standards, and gives them the > thrill of recognition that was their original goal. > > As you point out, private mail is the appropriate medium if a response > is really necessary. By the time a reply can reach the list, the unwise > poster has probably already tasted my scorn, or worse, my lectures. Good luck in feeding it to him; the post was obviously forged. Any forged post deserves no response from anyone. 99.999% of the time it was sent soley to cause trouble, to troll. The only vaild response might be to the postmaster of a site whose poorly configured mail relay has been taken advantage of. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 21 11: 2:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C9115848 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA22710 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199904211759.KAA22710@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Resource for newbies Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In glancing through the rest of my recently-received copy of "Server/Workstation Expert" (successor in name to "SunExpert"), a monthly periodical, I noticed that in Peter Collinson's "UNIX Basics" column, he discusses some issues re: user interfaces, rodents, M$ version of windows vs. X Window System, and Linux & Solaris. Doesn't mention FreeBSD specifically, but much of what he writes about Linux would seem to be apropos. And the comment about "the rest of" refers to my habit of reading Mike O'Brien's "Ask Mr. Protocol" column before anything else. :-) The publication is free, and is also accessible via the Web (though you'll need a PDF reader that can cope with encrypted text; xpdf 0.80 doesn't cut it, though acroread can). To get to the archives (which includes the current issue), point your Web browser of choice at http://expert.com/; to see what the folks at the newly-renamed periodical are up to, point a browser at http://sw.expert.com/. Hope some of this is useful for enough folks to pay for sending it. :-) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 21 20:22:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail-out.visi.com (tele.visi.com [209.98.98.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6979A14D77 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@rhavenn.net) Received: from Merlin.visi.com (170-123.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.170.123]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BAE3D1F837 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:19:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990421222306.00794b50@mail.trlinks.com> X-Sender: rhavenn@mail.trlinks.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:23:06 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rhavenn StormWing Subject: Ping Error Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just got pppd to work right and now when I try and ping anything(including the localhost) I get this error: ping: sendto: Permission denied (this is repeated over and over) I am running FreeBSD3.1 . I have my resolv.conf file set to my ISP's nameserver which I thought was about it to get IP address mapping. Could someone explain to me what that error message means and point me in the right direction to solving it? Thanks for any help in advance! :) The Rhavenn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 21 22:41:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from garnet.acns.fsu.edu (gmhub.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.2.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672D915942 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu) Received: from garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (garnet1-fi.acns.fsu.edu [128.186.197.2]) by garnet.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA58784; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:38:11 -0400 Received: from s1o3q0 (dial360.acns.fsu.edu [146.201.33.106]) by garnet1.acns.fsu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA114094; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:38:08 -0400 Message-ID: <002301be8c82$6308a2a0$6a21c992@s1o3q0> From: "Brett G. Castleberry" To: "Pete Vanderburgh" Cc: References: <19990406205551.QXQP5752963.mta2-rme@wocker> <020501be80ae$fd1aa800$8620c992@s1o3q0> <371A551F.B4FC1EFB@vma.verio.net> Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:38:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE8C60.DAA75120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE8C60.DAA75120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry it's taken me a few days to reply. By "on top of Unix" I mean = that I believe that the computer that processes data for all the local = libraries using the Data Research Associates library automation system = (our county library, the state library here in Tallahassee, and a number = of others) runs Unix. I could be wrong, but when I mentioned this in an = "Intro to Unix" class I took a few weeks ago, the instructor nodded = sagely, as though I had divined the truth. I drive a bookmobile to = rural stops, and I do my circulation functions using an off-line = circulation program on a laptop equipped with a barcode reading wand. = Back at the main library, I upload the files using Kermit, and when I = started reading about Unix I recognized some commands that I use, such = as "control-right bracket" to escape a process and get to a prompt. = When I send the files, I am told that they are going to a Vax computer. = Do you all see how clueless, what a reeking newbie, I am? I could be = wrong, but that's the impression I got, that our menu-driven automation = program is overlaid onto a basically Unix system. Pete, were you a LS major? From your signature I take it that you = are associated with an ISP now. I've gone back and forth about whether = to change course from reference work to an IT emphasis, but I think I'm = a bit long in the tooth (I'm 45) for that. Anyway, there are VAST = quantities of information that will never be digitized, that will = continue to be available only on paper. Somebody's got to be able to find it. Ink gets in your = blood. Actually, that could account for the appeal that command-line = FreeBSD has for me - virtual ink!=20 Brett Castleberry bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pete Vanderburgh=20 To: Brett G. Castleberry=20 Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 5:56 PM Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary - how to guides "Brett G. Castleberry" wrote:=20 How much is too much? Most of what I'm seeing on FreeBSD/ Questions = is over=20 my head and almost discouraging. Agreed!=20 =20 I've been a bookman all my life, a=20 pressman, a bookseller, and for the last ten years, a librarian. = When I=20 returned to school for a masters degree a couple of years ago, my = program=20 was called "Library Science". Now it's called "Information = Studies", and IT=20 students (along with their tuition fees) are pouring in, at this = point=20 outnumbering LS students. Those of us who are dedicated to = providing public=20 access to useful information are scrambling to learn how to find and = use=20 digital resources. In addition, as I've become acquainted with unix = I have=20 realized that our own library automation system operates on top of = unix. I am curious about what you mean exactly by 'on top of UNIX'. I too, = am *quite* the newbie in regard to UNIX and FreeBSD.=20 I'm also curious to hear more, as I myself was a librarian; not = professionally, but in college. From 1988-1993 I learned a wide variety = of electronic resources used for reference and cataloguing (we had these = new-fangled "CD-ROM"s. Oooh!).=20 And then, I graduated, just as the internet, in it's 'mainstream' form = began to emerge. Very frustrating!=20 =20 So, I want FreeBSD to play and learn with. Perhaps I can connect = my=20 FreeBSD 486 to my Win98 box and learn about networking too. I sense = in your=20 free OS project a spirit akin to that of the public librarian, and I = salute=20 you. That's how I understand it to. Freedom of information!=20 =20 Brett Castleberry=20 bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org=20 with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Pete Vanderburgh Verio Web Hosting, Vienna, VA. 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    Sorry it's taken me = a few days=20 to reply.  By "on top of Unix" I mean that I believe that the=20 computer that processes data for all the local libraries using the = Data=20 Research Associates library automation system (our county library, = the=20 state library here in Tallahassee, and a number of others) runs = Unix.  I=20 could be wrong, but when I mentioned this in an "Intro to Unix" class I = took a=20 few weeks ago, the instructor nodded sagely, as though I had divined the = truth.  I drive a bookmobile to rural stops, and I do my = circulation=20 functions using an off-line circulation program on a laptop equipped = with a=20 barcode reading wand.  Back at the main library, I upload the files = using=20 Kermit, and when I started reading about Unix I recognized some commands = that I=20 use, such as "control-right bracket" to escape a process and get to a=20 prompt.  When I send the files, I am told that they are going to a = Vax=20 computer.   Do you all see how clueless, what a reeking = newbie, I=20 am?  I could be wrong, but that's the impression I got, that our=20 menu-driven automation program is overlaid onto a basically Unix=20 system.
    Pete, were you a LS = major? =20 From your signature I take it that you are associated with an ISP = now. =20 I've gone back and forth about whether to change course from reference = work to=20 an IT emphasis, but I think I'm a bit long in the tooth (I'm 45) for = that. =20 Anyway, there are VAST quantities of information that will never be = digitized,=20 that will continue to be available
only on paper.   = Somebody's got to=20 be able to find it.  Ink gets in your blood.  Actually, that = could=20 account for the appeal that command-line FreeBSD has for me - = virtual ink!=20
 
Brett Castleberry
bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Pete=20 Vanderburgh
To: Brett G. Castleberry
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 = 5:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary = - how to=20 guides

"Brett G. Castleberry" wrote:=20
How much is too much?  Most of what I'm = seeing=20 on FreeBSD/ Questions is over
my head and almost=20 discouraging.


Agreed!
 =20

I've been a bookman all my life, a =
pressman, a=20 bookseller, and for the last ten years, a librarian.  When I=20
returned to school for a masters degree a couple of years ago, = my=20 program
was called "Library Science".  Now it's called = "Information=20 Studies", and IT
students (along with their tuition fees) are = pouring=20 in, at this point
outnumbering LS students.  Those of us = who are=20 dedicated to providing public
access to useful information are=20 scrambling to learn how to find and use
digital resources.  = In=20 addition, as I've become acquainted with unix I have
realized = that our=20 own library automation system operates on top of unix.


I am curious about what you mean exactly by 'on top of = UNIX'.  I=20 too, am *quite* the newbie in regard to UNIX and FreeBSD.=20

I'm also curious to hear more, as I myself was a librarian; not=20 professionally, but in college.  From 1988-1993 I learned a = wide=20 variety of electronic resources used for reference and cataloguing (we = had=20 these new-fangled "CD-ROM"s.  Oooh!).=20

And then, I graduated, just as the internet, in it's = 'mainstream' form=20 began to emerge.  Very frustrating!=20


So, I want FreeBSD to play and learn=20 with.  Perhaps I can connect  my
FreeBSD 486 to my = Win98 box=20 and learn about networking too.  I sense in your
free OS = project a=20 spirit akin to that of the public librarian, and I salute=20
you.


That's how I understand it to.  Freedom of = information!=20

 

Brett Castleberry=20
bcc9746@garnet.acns.fsu.edu=20

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  = ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE8C60.DAA75120-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 22 13: 8:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bashir.belgium.eu.net (bashir.Belgium.EU.net [193.74.208.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3410515189 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:08:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pin25474@ping.be) Received: from (kdialup071.leuven.eunet.be [193.75.247.71]) by bashir.belgium.eu.net with SMTP id WAA07927 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:07:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000801be8cfb$67b2bec0$47f74bc1@myplace.ping.be> Reply-To: "Kristof Peeters" From: "Kristof Peeters" To: Subject: Linux vs FreeBSD Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:02:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, actually, I'm still figuring it all out. One thing I know for sure... the biggest payments are out from now on. So I decided to enter the era of the stable and reliable systems. In a local magazine I read about Linux versus FreeBSD, but they didn't actually came to a point. So maybe someone can tell me, why do I have to choose FreeBSD instead of Linux? The only difference between them I know till now, is no matter what you choose, it depends on if you like an icy penguin or rather prefer a little devil. Greetz, Kristof To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 22 14:13:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from geek.fidnet.com (geek.fidnet.com [205.216.200.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6582D15AD4 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yoonix@fidnet.com) Received: from localhost (yoonix@localhost) by geek.fidnet.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA75931; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:14:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from yoonix@fidnet.com) X-Authentication-Warning: geek.fidnet.com: yoonix owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:14:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Mark Turpin To: Rhavenn StormWing Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ping Error Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990421222306.00794b50@mail.trlinks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sounds like you have a firewall on. try loggin in as root, type ipfw list if you see a listing for deny ip any any type, ipfw add 0001 permit ip from any to any then, vi /etc/defaults/rc.conf set the firewall_type to open this is shooting from the hip. if i'm horribly wrong, don't blame me, just blame my 20 second thinking. -mark On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Rhavenn StormWing wrote: :>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:23:06 -0500 :>From: Rhavenn StormWing :>To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG :>Subject: Ping Error Question :> :>I just got pppd to work right and now when I try and ping :>anything(including the localhost) I get this error: :> :>ping: sendto: Permission denied (this is repeated over and over) :> :>I am running FreeBSD3.1 . I have my resolv.conf file set to my ISP's :>nameserver which I thought was about it :>to get IP address mapping. :> :>Could someone explain to me what that error message means and point me in :>the right direction to solving it? :> :> :>Thanks for any help in advance! :) :> :>The Rhavenn :> :> :> :> :> :>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 22 16:20:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [209.219.168.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B915314C22 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from korvus@tasam.com) Received: from korvus (207-172-64-163.s163.tnt17.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.64.163]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA19862 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c001be8d16$4c446420$f808fea9@korvus> From: "Korvus" To: References: Subject: Re: Ping Error Question Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:15:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i'm a newbie myself, but from what i've seen, i would have to guess that you don't have a write access to some device... but i may easily be wrong... > sounds like you have a firewall on. > try loggin in as root, type > ipfw list > if you see a listing for deny ip any any > type, ipfw add 0001 permit ip from any to any > then, vi /etc/defaults/rc.conf > set the firewall_type to open > > this is shooting from the hip. if i'm horribly wrong, don't blame me, > just blame my 20 second thinking. > > -mark > > On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Rhavenn StormWing wrote: > > :>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:23:06 -0500 > :>From: Rhavenn StormWing > :>To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > :>Subject: Ping Error Question > :> > :>I just got pppd to work right and now when I try and ping > :>anything(including the localhost) I get this error: > :> > :>ping: sendto: Permission denied (this is repeated over and over) > :> > :>I am running FreeBSD3.1 . I have my resolv.conf file set to my ISP's > :>nameserver which I thought was about it > :>to get IP address mapping. > :> > :>Could someone explain to me what that error message means and point me in > :>the right direction to solving it? > :> > :> > :>Thanks for any help in advance! :) > :> > :>The Rhavenn > :> > :> > :> > :> > :> > :>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > :>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > :> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 22 17:29:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F25C71532F for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@hons.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:27:06 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" In-Reply-To: <000801be8cfb$67b2bec0$47f74bc1@myplace.ping.be> from "Kristof Peeters" at Apr 22, 99 10:02:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 631 Message-Id: <19990423002947.F25C71532F@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In a local magazine I read about Linux versus FreeBSD, but they didn't > actually came to a point. So maybe someone can tell me, why do > I have to choose FreeBSD instead of Linux? If you're running a server, FreeBSD is the best choice because it handles a load more gracefully. (Or so I've been told. This is nth-hand information). > The only difference between them I know till now, is no matter what > you choose, it depends on if you like an icy penguin or rather > prefer a little devil. Yep. That's about it. Linux is probably a better choice for a desktop, because it has more hardware support. Have fun, Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 22 18:45:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bingsun2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingsun2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB2C14FD1 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bf20761@binghamton.edu) Received: from localhost (bf20761@localhost) by bingsun2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA07086; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:43:11 -0400 (EDT) From: zhihuizhang X-Sender: bf20761@bingsun2 To: Kristof Peeters Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <000801be8cfb$67b2bec0$47f74bc1@myplace.ping.be> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Kristof Peeters wrote: > Well, actually, I'm still figuring it all out. > > One thing I know for sure... the biggest payments are out from now on. > So I decided to enter the era of the stable and reliable systems. > > In a local magazine I read about Linux versus FreeBSD, but they didn't > actually came to a point. So maybe someone can tell me, why do > I have to choose FreeBSD instead of Linux? > > The only difference between them I know till now, is no matter what > you choose, it depends on if you like an icy penguin or rather > prefer a little devil. > In my opinion, FreeBSD is more traditional Unix. There have been two major branches of Unixes: AT&T and BSD. FreeBSD comes from 4.4BSD. So many documents of BSD is applicable to FreeBSD. Linux is written from scratch. So if you look at the Linux kernel, some data structures are different from traditional Unix. Besides, FreeBSD is easy to install, to add a system call. Please search the Mailing list archive. Many many people have asked the similar question. -Zhihui To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 23 3: 9: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from silver.komanda.com.ua (silver.komanda.com.ua [195.5.38.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3692F14D31 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 03:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sysop@komanda.com.ua) Received: from silver.komanda.com.ua (silver.komanda.com.ua [195.5.38.138]) by silver.komanda.com.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27390 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:20:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sysop@komanda.com.ua) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:20:07 +0300 (EEST) From: Alex Bulygin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Deleted files return back? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks! Im intresting if it possible to undelete file under FreeBSD like in DOS/WIN? More exactly, MS Mail crashed during loading POP mail with the setting "delete from server" been installed, so files disappear at once at both sides. Any ideas? Thanks for help/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 23 10: 1:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A8815486 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA11889; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:58:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:58:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: Alex Bulygin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Deleted files return back? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Apr 1999, Alex Bulygin wrote: > Im intresting if it possible to undelete file > under FreeBSD like in DOS/WIN? It's possible to recover data from deleted files, but the procedure is so horrific it's reserved for cases like accidentally deleting the secret formula for the cure for cancer. So, in other words, no :( Once it's gone, it's gone. Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 23 14:13:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail03-oak.pilot.net (mail-oak-3.pilot.net [198.232.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE0214D3B for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from honig@sprynet.com) Received: from idt.com (unknown-5-20.idt.com [157.165.5.20] (may be forged)) by mail03-oak.pilot.net with ESMTP id OAA10978 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stgsmtp.corp.idt.com ([157.165.146.162]) by idt.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA03030 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [157.165.146.225] (HELO sprynet.com) by stgsmtp.corp.idt.com (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000101351 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:13:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3720E1A1.64266105@sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:09:54 -0700 From: Claude Shannon Organization: Entropy, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: a tutorial (donation to freebsd) on sysctl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C7DF50165012C069796EFA4F" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C7DF50165012C069796EFA4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've attached a short html file which explains the sysctl interface and kernel hacking to newbies (like myself, who just figured it out). I have tried these instructions, they work. I used SunOS for years and I love BSD. David Honig honig@sprynet.com --------------C7DF50165012C069796EFA4F Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="sysctl.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sysctl.html"

How to Add  sysctl Variables to Your FreeBSD 3. Kernel

With BSD, you have the kernel source, and so can experiment with the kernel.  With BSD's sysctl tool, you can get and set kernel variables on a running system.

Adding a Variable          Adding a Root Node          sysctl          Kernel Building

Adding a Sysctl Variable to an Existing Parent Node


Find the kernel file you are interested in.  I will choose /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/random_machdep.c.

In that file, add the following:

#include <sys/kernel.h>
#include <sys/sysctrl.h>
Now declare a variable you want to monitor and/or control, like so:
static int my_var=0;
SYSCTL_INT( _net, OID_AUTO, my_var, CTLFLAG_RW, &my_var, 0, "");
Note that there are other "parent" nodes besides _net.  You can make your own.

Note that there are other types of variables:  See /usr/src/sys/sys/sysctl.h
(link is good only if this page is hosted on a BSD system!)

Finally, rebuild the kernel and reboot.  The new variable should be visible with the sysctl utility.

How to Declare a New Root Parent Node:


In /usr/src/sys/sys/sysctl.h add a new CTL_node like so:

/*
 * Top-level identifiers
 */
#define CTL_UNSPEC      0               /* unused */
#define CTL_KERN        1               /* "high kernel": proc, limits */
#define CTL_VM          2               /* virtual memory */
#define CTL_VFS         3               /* file system, mount type is next */
#define CTL_NET         4               /* network, see socket.h */
#define CTL_DEBUG       5               /* debugging parameters */
#define CTL_HW          6               /* generic cpu/io */
#define CTL_MACHDEP     7               /* machine dependent */
#define CTL_USER        8               /* user-level */
#define CTL_P1003_1B    9               /* POSIX 1003.1B */
#define CTL_EXPER  10     /* DAH EXPERIMENTAL */
#define CTL_MAXID      11              /* number of valid top-level ids */

/* DAH MODIFIED TO INCLUDE "EXPER" NODE *******/
#define CTL_NAMES { \
        { 0, 0 }, \
        { "kern", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "vm", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "vfs", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "net", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "debug", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "hw", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "machdep", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "user", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "p1003_1b", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
        { "exper", CTLTYPE_NODE }, \
}
 

Then initialize that new node without a parent, like so:

SYSCTL_NODE( , CTL_EXPER, exper, CTLFLAG_RW, 0, "description");
(As seen in /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_mib.c)

KERNEL BUILDING


To reconfigure and rebuild a kernel, do the following.
To rebuild after a simple source-file change, start after the config step.

# cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf
#      cp CURRENT NEWKERN
#      edit NEWKERN
# config NEWKERN

# cd ../../compile/NEWKERN
# make depend
# make
# make install
# reboot
(old kernel is /kernel.old if you need it!)

Sysctl

Sysctl is a command-line utility for inspecting and setting kernel variables.  There is also a sysctl API.

sysctl variable
sysctl -a
sysctl -w var=value               note: you must be root to set a variable


author --------------C7DF50165012C069796EFA4F-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 23 14:47: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1970414DF1 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charon@freethought.org) Received: from c40948-a ([24.1.7.99]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990423214428.KYUP24898.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c40948-a>; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:44:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990423144425.00a5e980@mail> X-Sender: tuathadedanann@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:44:25 -0700 To: Claude Shannon , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: charon@freethought.org Subject: Re: a tutorial (donation to freebsd) on sysctl In-Reply-To: <3720E1A1.64266105@sprynet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:09 PM 4/23/99 -0700, Claude Shannon wrote: >I've attached a short html file which explains the sysctl interface >and kernel hacking to newbies (like myself, who just figured it out). why not send it to -doc? __________________________________________ Charon@freethought.org http://members.home.net/tuathadedanann/ "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." -Albert Einstein __________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 23 17: 6:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3376E15025 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 17:06:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim.chapman@sympatico.ca) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp32.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.245.32]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA16594 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3720C44D.79BF@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:04:45 +0100 From: Jim Chapman Reply-To: jim.chapman@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@Freebsd.org Subject: ATAPI Tape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need help with an ATAPI tape. I have release 3.1 and a Seagate drive. I configured the kernel by adding a line device wst0 and rebuilding it. Now the tape looks OK when the system boots. When I give the command dump -0 -a -f /dev/rwst0 /var the drive works and I get the following closing /dev/rwst0 wst0: 2621440d total bytes transferred atapi1.1: controller not ready, status=c0, error=c0 wst0: Sense media type failed and then the system hangs and I have to reboot. If I change the device for the dump to wst0 it creates a file of that name and writes the data to it. Should the kernel be configured with rwst0? I am stuck with this one and need guidance? The man page for wst just confused me more. Thanks, Jim Chapman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 23 19:32:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C0614CE9 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 1999 19:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA29983 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:30:14 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199904240230.MAA29983@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 26 13: 1:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF3E15352 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:01:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim.chapman@sympatico.ca) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp86.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.245.86]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22424 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37247FD7.1992@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:01:43 +0100 From: Jim Chapman Reply-To: jim.chapman@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@Freebsd.org Subject: ATAPI Tape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to do a backup on a Seagate ATAPI tape. The boot messages are wdc1: unit1 (atapi): , removable,accel,dma,iordis wst0: Drive empty, readonly, reverse,qfa,ecc,512b wst0: Max speed=600Kb/s, Transfer limit=52 blocks, Buffer size=728 blocks This seems OK. Now what? The command dump -0f /dev/rwst0 /var gives a controller not ready error and a media sense error but does write something on the tape. When I go into dos I have to re-initialize it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Chapman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 26 17:43: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E5F153D1 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:43:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA28875; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:43:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199904270043.UAA28875@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: ATAPI Tape In-Reply-To: <37247FD7.1992@sympatico.ca> from Jim Chapman at "Apr 26, 99 04:01:43 pm" To: jim.chapman@sympatico.ca Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Chapman wrote, > I am trying to do a backup on a Seagate ATAPI tape. > The boot messages are > > wdc1: unit1 (atapi): , removable,accel,dma,iordis > wst0: Drive empty, readonly, reverse,qfa,ecc,512b > wst0: Max speed=600Kb/s, Transfer limit=52 blocks, Buffer size=728 > blocks > > This seems OK. Now what? The command > > dump -0f /dev/rwst0 /var > > gives a controller not ready error and a media sense error but does > write something on the tape. When I go into dos I have to re-initialize > it. > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jim Chapman Have you tried matching up that 'transfer limit' with dump's '-b' option? # dump -0b 26 -f /dev/rwst0 /var Have you tried using the 'auto-size' option, '-a'? # dump -0af /dev/rwst0 /var Or even doing both of those together? Just some ideas. I personally do not have experience with IDE tapes. You probably are better off trying this in -questions. If you take a swing there, make sure to add information about which version of FreeBSD you are running. Also, can you access the tape alright with other commands like tar or dd? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 27 1:51: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from maild.telia.com (maild.telia.com [194.22.190.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C4914D89 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 01:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se) Received: from d1o68.telia.com (root@d1o68.telia.com [62.20.138.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24399 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:50:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tu (t3o68p72.telia.com [62.20.139.72]) by d1o68.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20602 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:50:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:46:42 +0200 Message-ID: <01BE90A3.9E297A60.thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se> From: Thomas Uhrfelt Reply-To: "thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se" To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: ld-elf.so.1 not found Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:46:35 +0200 Organization: Plymovent AB X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-post/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After trying to install the SKIP port and rebooting I got the message: "ELF interpreter /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 not found" upon startup of the machine, and after that comes a bunch of Apr xx xx:xx:xx init: getty repeating too quickly on port /dev/ttyvx, sleeping 30 secs What can I do to fix this problem. All the ports up to this one have installed just fine, and I have downloaded an installed the 3.1R -> 3.1S patch. This is a rather critical machine so I need it up and running rather quickly. Thank ye in advance, / Thomas Uhrfelt ... Now hooked on FreeBSD ... Datortekniker PlymoVent AB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 27 2:13:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEE414CE7 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.128]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990427091517.RAIO5596385.mta1-rme@wocker>; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:15:17 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: homas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:13:26 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: ld-elf.so.1 not found Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <01BE90A3.9E297A60.thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990427091517.RAIO5596385.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27 Apr 99, at 11:46, Thomas Uhrfelt wrote: [rest snipped] > This is a rather critical machine so I need it up and running rather > quickly. Well, about 2 hours ago you posted the same message to -questions. Given the time of day, it's not surprising you have yet to receive a response. But given the extremely technical nature of this post, it's not even remotely related to -newbies. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 27 6:55:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9951014C25; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:55:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id XAA12871; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:55:27 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990427235521.37385@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:55:21 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Inappropriate posts Reply-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <199904270943.FAA12713@andromeda.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199904270943.FAA12713@andromeda.>; from someguy@domains.md on Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 05:43:54AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently these two lists have received posts of a kind that is not acceptable on the FreeBSD lists, from "someguy" with a false email address. There is no need to follow up on those threads, since Jonathan Bresler (postmaster) is already taking measures to prevent it happening again. Newbies, please don't think that silence means that mail of this kind is being tolerated in any way. His flaws speak eloquently enough on their own. By discussing them further in public we would only be doing what he wants and bringing ourselves down to his standards. Apologies to those who were offended by the posts, and thanks to those newbies who quietly brought it to our attention instead of just reacting. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 27 14:38:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9477015430 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:38:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA95370 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Inappropriate posts In-Reply-To: <19990427235521.37385@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Sue Blake wrote: > Recently these two lists have received posts of a kind that is not > acceptable on the FreeBSD lists, from "someguy" with a false email > address. > > There is no need to follow up on those threads, since Jonathan Bresler > (postmaster) is already taking measures to prevent it happening again. I saw this too late.... I already reposted, since I thought "someguy" was totally out of line. I won't post on this again, no matter what I read on the lists (this subject is dead to me now). > > Newbies, please don't think that silence means that mail of this kind > is being tolerated in any way. His flaws speak eloquently enough on > their own. By discussing them further in public we would only be doing > what he wants and bringing ourselves down to his standards. > > Apologies to those who were offended by the posts, and thanks to those > newbies who quietly brought it to our attention instead of just reacting. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (Solaris7). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 27 15:40: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8506A14D35 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA14911; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:39:39 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990428083933.31907@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:39:33 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Inappropriate posts References: <19990427235521.37385@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 05:35:56PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 05:35:56PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > > I saw this too late.... I already reposted, since I thought "someguy" > was totally out of line. I won't post on this again, no matter what I > read on the lists (this subject is dead to me now). In freebsd-isp? Oh well, thanks for explaining. Consider yourself another victim of a babyish little fellow who will do anything for attention and is too cowardly to even use a name. The odd one or two stray into every list on earth, but they don't find much fun on the freebsd lists. He won't get an audience next time :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 28 4:51:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailrelay.ltindia.com (unknown [202.54.20.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7DA15175 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from samit@usa.ltindia.com) Received: from partha.ltindia.com (usa.ltindia.com [10.1.5.1]) by mailrelay.ltindia.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA26915 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:43:30 -0500 Received: from usa.ltindia.com ([172.17.3.20]) by partha.ltindia.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12976 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:24:13 +0530 Message-ID: <3726F731.EE3E6881@usa.ltindia.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:25:31 +0530 From: Samit Pal Reply-To: samit@usa.ltindia.com Organization: L&T X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Video Grabber Card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Can anyone tell me which Video grabber card is available for FreeBsd 3.0.0. or which one you are using ? FreeBsd hardware document says it supports Metrox Meteor, but I came to know after talking with Metrox as of now they don't have support for FreeBsd. Regards, Samit. -- -----------------------> Samit Paul L&TITL Comm Grp Powai Works Saki Vihar Road Mumbai India-400072. email:samit@usa.ltindia.com Phone: +91 22 7904219 ( Office ). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 28 8:28:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goodall1.u.washington.edu (goodall1.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538FF15487 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall1.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id IAA62386; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:28:06 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:28:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Marsh" To: Samit Pal Cc: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Video Grabber Card In-Reply-To: <3726F731.EE3E6881@usa.ltindia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Samit Pal wrote: > Can anyone tell me which Video grabber card is available for FreeBsd > 3.0.0. or which > one you are using ? > FreeBsd hardware document says it supports Metrox Meteor, but I came to > know after talking with Metrox as of now they don't have support for > FreeBsd. It is unlikely that most hardware vendors would offer support for FreeBSD, as it's typically the other way around -- FreeBSD offers support for their products. I'll bet it's the same with the Matrox Meteor. Matrox will say that they don't support it, but I'll bet that FreeBSD and/or XFree86 (whichever applieth) does. What Matrox is saying is, "If our card works in FreeBSD, that's great, but don't call us about your problems if it does not." In short, you don't need Matrox's support. You only need the card and the documentation you can find on the net. Kenneth J. Marsh University of Washington durang@u.washington.edu Chemical Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 28 11:27:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A390D157A7 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27943; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:27:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Samit Pal Cc: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Video Grabber Card In-Reply-To: <3726F731.EE3E6881@usa.ltindia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Apr 1999, Samit Pal wrote: > Hello, > Can anyone tell me which Video grabber card is available for FreeBsd > 3.0.0. or which > one you are using ? > FreeBsd hardware document says it supports Metrox Meteor, but I came to > know after talking with Metrox as of now they don't have support for > FreeBsd. The Meteorhas been discontinued for years. Pick up a Bt848-based board, such as ones made by Hauppauge, or the Intel Smart Video Recorder III, or the STB, or many others. Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 28 12:31:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE4614E03 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-root@i-zone.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.227.78] (helo=i-zone.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ca2k-0009aO-0C for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:30:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:16:11 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: John Subject: Re: Ping Error Question References: <3.0.6.32.19990421222306.00794b50@mail.trlinks.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990421222306.00794b50@mail.trlinks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <3.0.6.32.19990421222306.00794b50@mail.trlinks.com>, Rhavenn StormWing writes >I just got pppd to work right and now when I try and ping >anything(including the localhost) I get this error: > >ping: sendto: Permission denied (this is repeated over and over) > >I am running FreeBSD3.1 . I have my resolv.conf file set to my ISP's >nameserver which I thought was about it >to get IP address mapping. > >Could someone explain to me what that error message means and point me in >the right direction to solving it? > > >Thanks for any help in advance! :) > wherever ping lives is not in your path. Locate ping, go to the directory, and then ./ping localhost what is the output of set from your shell? echo $PATH will give you the same answer. -- John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 28 17:48:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B769B14F42 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA04721; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:45:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199904290045.UAA04721@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Ping Error Question In-Reply-To: from John at "Apr 28, 99 08:16:11 pm" To: freebsd-root@i-zone.demon.co.uk (John) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John wrote, > In article <3.0.6.32.19990421222306.00794b50@mail.trlinks.com>, Rhavenn > StormWing writes > >I just got pppd to work right and now when I try and ping > >anything(including the localhost) I get this error: > > > >ping: sendto: Permission denied (this is repeated over and over) > > > >I am running FreeBSD3.1 . I have my resolv.conf file set to my ISP's > >nameserver which I thought was about it > >to get IP address mapping. > > > >Could someone explain to me what that error message means and point me in > >the right direction to solving it? > > > > > >Thanks for any help in advance! :) > > > > wherever ping lives is not in your path. Locate ping, go to the > directory, and then ./ping localhost > > what is the output of set from your shell? echo $PATH will give you the > same answer. This is not really a question for newbies, but I think I know what the problem is. First, ping obviously _is_ in the user's path if they are getting that message. If it were not, they would get a response like, ping: Command not found. What I do think the problem is is that ping does is not owned by root with the suid bit set. Make sure that when you look at ping's permissions it looks like this, % ls -l /sbin/ping -r-sr-xr-x 1 root bin 139264 Feb 28 21:45 /sbin/ping That is make sure it is owned by root AND there is that little 's' in the permissions string, '-r-sr-xr-x'. Ping will give an error like you are getting if it is not suid. If that is not the problem, take the original question to the -questions list. HTH. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 29 11:36:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bbaer.muenster.de (bbaer.muenster.de [195.202.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A463B15294 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:36:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@anneck.de) Received: from anneck (mueamb-wan119.citykom.de [195.202.35.119]) by bbaer.muenster.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA13100 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:36:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199904291836.UAA13100@bbaer.muenster.de> From: "Andre Anneck" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:47:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: How to get tcpdump working? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, ...i tried now for a while to get more information about how tcp/ip really works... and what goes wrong where when I do certain routings. Almost everywhere in the FAQ's and Handbooks i read about tcpdump. The man page about tcpdump is although pretty neat to read... but every time I try to utilize tcpdump I get the complaint about the device /dev/bf* is not configured. :-( Thus I went searching for hint how to enable this device... but failed. Can someone pick me up here and point me into the right direction? The UORMSS - Source Net http://www.anneck.de/rmss ------------------------------------- ICQ# 1339921 | Home: http://anneck.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 29 11:49:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sheep.pinkle.com (sheep.pinkle.com [199.227.26.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6799615062 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from starhawk@pinkle.com) Received: from localhost (user: 'starhawk', uid#1000) by sheep.pinkle.com with ESMTP id <43131-163>; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:02:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Aron Green X-Sender: starhawk@sheep.pinkle.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: X windows In-Reply-To: <199904291836.UAA13100@bbaer.muenster.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have virtually no knowledge of xwindows. I would like to install afterstep, can someone point me in the right direction for customizing my wharf and things of this nature? and how do I change that to my default window manager? Thanks. Aron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 29 11:50:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sheep.pinkle.com (sheep.pinkle.com [199.227.26.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A8315203 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from starhawk@pinkle.com) Received: from localhost (user: 'starhawk', uid#1000) by sheep.pinkle.com with ESMTP id <43130-302>; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:03:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Aron Green X-Sender: starhawk@sheep.pinkle.com To: Andre Anneck Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to get tcpdump working? In-Reply-To: <199904291836.UAA13100@bbaer.muenster.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bf I believe is berkeley packet filter.. its an option in your kernel, you must compile that pseudo-device into your kernel in order to use it.. try grepping your LINT for bf Aron On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Andre Anneck wrote: > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:47:00 +0200 > From: Andre Anneck > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: How to get tcpdump working? > > Hi there, > > ...i tried now for a while to get more information about how tcp/ip > really works... and what goes wrong where when I do certain > routings. Almost everywhere in the FAQ's and Handbooks i read > about tcpdump. The man page about tcpdump is although pretty > neat to read... but every time I try to utilize tcpdump I get the > complaint about the device /dev/bf* is not configured. > :-( > > Thus I went searching for hint how to enable this device... but failed. > > Can someone pick me up here and point me into the right direction? > > > The UORMSS - Source Net > http://www.anneck.de/rmss > ------------------------------------- > ICQ# 1339921 | Home: http://anneck.de > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 29 13:51: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EC9152E6 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim.chapman@sympatico.ca) Received: from LOCALNAME (ppp34.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.245.34]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06496 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37288039.1975@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:52:25 +0100 From: Jim Chapman Reply-To: jim.chapman@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@Freebsd.org Subject: ATAPI Tapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I installed release 3.1 from the Walnut Creek CD. I have a Seagate IDE/ATAPI tape drive. It is configured correctly (I believe) but I can't use it. My questions are Do I need to initialize the device or the tape before I use it. Mount is only for block devices. The wst man page talks about modes and closing the device. The mt man page gives some info and I can erase and rewind the tape using mt. dump fails after writing the backup, maybe when trying to rewind. dd writes a file but gets a an EOD error when trying to read it. tar does the same thing and also gives a message about an invalid tar header. A search of the archives turned up a lot of tape questions but nothing that helped. I would appreciate it if someone could reply who has actually got one of these devices to work. I am getting very frustrated. I assume there is some simple thing I have missed as I am new to Unix. Thanks, Jim Chapman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 29 17:55:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (mail0.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0220B14FA2 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coolcik@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-214-4-156.mia.bellsouth.net [209.214.4.156]) by mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02820 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3728FEDA.B67DED57@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:52:42 -0400 From: Chris Leonard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Books... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, have about 2 Archive boxes filled with Unix books including the 5 vol. 4.4BSD set. A lot of goodies for newbies. If anyone is interested I'll box them up and ship them out. Let me know... --- Keith -------------------------------------------------------------------- If ignorance is bliss - why are there so many unhappy people? -------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 29 20:47:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.iwinet.com (unknown [208.133.26.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A9C14D3D for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ggreg@iwinet.com) Received: from iwinet.com (ppp26.iwinet.com [208.133.26.104]) by mail.iwinet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA23449 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3727D3A8.3B3B0D7B@iwinet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:36:09 -0400 From: Greg Eadie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Group Subject: User Information Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone. Can anyone tell me the easiest way to get a print out of all the users (with real name also) who are on my FreeBSD mail server? Thanks, greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 29 22:22:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB32152D7 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id BAA08171; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:23:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199904300523.BAA08171@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: User Information In-Reply-To: <3727D3A8.3B3B0D7B@iwinet.com> from Greg Eadie at "Apr 28, 99 11:36:09 pm" To: ggreg@iwinet.com (Greg Eadie) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Eadie wrote, > Hello everyone. > > Can anyone tell me the easiest way to get a print out of all the users > (with real name also) who are on my FreeBSD mail server? Either load /etc/passwd into your favorite editor and go, or maybe use something like this simple shell script, #!/bin/sh IFS=: while read LINE; do set -f -- $LINE echo "$1 $5" done < /etc/passwd That should print it; not too pretty, but it works. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 30 6:23:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E3F14CD1 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 06:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf254.surf24.de [212.62.193.254]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11120; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:23:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 15:17:24 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: How to get tcpdump working? To: Aron Green Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Andre Anneck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 29 Apr, Aron Green wrote: > bf I believe is berkeley packet filter.. its an option in your kernel, you > must compile that pseudo-device into your kernel in order to use it.. try > grepping your LINT for bf It's a so called pseudo-device, and in the 3.1STABLE kernels, it's allready included in the GENERIC kernel-build-file. You just have to remove the comment in front of it. I think it's called "bpfilter" or "bpf". I remember 2.2.something being _very_ picky about the name (I only hat "bp" and wondered why nothing worked). cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 30 8:14:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (mail0.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.16.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EC614FEA for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:14:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from climacus@bellsouth.net) Received: from keith (host-209-214-8-30.mia.bellsouth.net [209.214.8.30]) by mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA14917 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904301513.LAA14917@mail0.mia.bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:12:6 -0500 From: Keith Leonard To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Books... X-mailer: FoxMail 2.1 [en] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy All, didn't realize that some free books would create such an uproar. I have more than enough responses and now it's time for some tough decisions. I'll send email to the party that will be getting the books...if you don't hear in the next 24 hours I'm afraid you'll not be getting them - sorry (truly sorry). To those outside of the US I'm afraid that shipping would be prohibitive and I can't aford to send out a thousand dollars worth of book and pay hundreds of dollar for shipping...again sorry. I just hope that whoever gets them can really put them to good use... the other email was sent from my sons computer and the email address below is the correct one. --- Keith -------------------------------------------------------------- climacus@bellsouth.net -------------------------------------------------------------- If ignorance is bliss - why are there so many unhappy people? -------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 30 19:30:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6567154FC for ; Fri, 30 Apr 1999 19:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA01255 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 May 1999 12:30:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:30:15 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199905010230.MAA01255@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. 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Best regards, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 2 3: 0:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAD914D97 for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 03:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-root@i-zone.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.227.78] (helo=i-zone.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10dt2p-0007MG-0K for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:00:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 15:57:17 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: John Subject: Re: Ping Error Question References: <199904290045.UAA04721@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> In-Reply-To: <199904290045.UAA04721@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <199904290045.UAA04721@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>, Crist J. Clark writes >First, ping obviously _is_ in the user's path if they are getting that >message. If it were not, they would get a response like, > >ping: Command not found. aaaRRRgh!!!!!! :) sorry suffering from an out of coffee error of course you are right. -- John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 2 3: 0:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5049B14DBD for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 03:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-root@i-zone.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.227.78] (helo=i-zone.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10dt2p-0007MH-0K for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 May 1999 10:00:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:29:27 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: John Subject: weird cdrom problerm MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello newbies I have a cdrom drive (32x speed) which SuSE Linux 6 detects but freebsd 3.1 doesn't. I can boot from the cd if the cd is SUSE but not FreeBSD 3.1 (i.e it is a relatively new board and the cdrom drive is set bootable). It is jumpered to be secondary master IDE. There are correctly jumpred hard drives on the other three channels. If I install a linux system, and put the freebsd cd in after installation, the cd is read perfectly. I still cannot boot to cd if I restart the machine - it gives the error 'boot record not found on device'.. [FreeBSD 3.1] If I make a bootable pair of floppies, and configure the kernel, select cdrom as media, it cannot find the cd still. Linux detects the cd as a CRD-8322B ATAPI CDROM drive. It is about 1 year old. What to do? Regards, -- John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 2 3:23:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAD914EDD for ; Sun, 2 May 1999 03:23:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id UAA05976; Sun, 2 May 1999 20:22:48 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990502202242.62252@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 20:22:42 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: John Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: weird cdrom problerm References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from John on Sat, May 01, 1999 at 09:29:27PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 01, 1999 at 09:29:27PM +0100, John wrote: > Hello newbies Hi, welcome to FreeBSD! > What to do? John, try writing to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. FreeBSD-Newbies is not at all like the Linux newbies group which has a similar name. FreeBSD-Newbies is for social chat and orientation only, and support questions or answers are off topic here. That way can keep all of the support in the one place (freebsd-questions), and maintain a high quality of support there with peer review, while having a separate place where newbies can be social among equals, boast, let off steam, without having to worry about the signal to noise ratio. Good luck with your question, and sorry about any confusion. You'll also find the list charters spelled out in the handbook on the web site. The charter should be made clear wherever this address is found, but I suspect that's not always the case. Oh yes, here we do help each other to find documentation and to select the most appropriate mailing lists :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` () '` <-- a +3 uncursed budgerigar named Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 3 6:47:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sparticus.eurekanet.com (sparticus.eurekanet.com [209.239.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE87F152DE for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 06:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jodom@eurekanet.com) Received: from jodom.sciotobusiness (port-01-44.chilli.eurekanet.com [209.239.135.54]) by sparticus.eurekanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA15193 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Judith Odom" From: "Judith Odom" To: Subject: new comer Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:49:36 -0400 Message-ID: <01be956b$c8642c40$3687efd1@jodom.sciotobusiness> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE954A.41528C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE954A.41528C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am needing experience in the Unix field. 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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BE954A.41528C40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 3 8:48:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E46714CFE for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel@kt.rim.or.jp) Received: from basecamp ([210.161.219.174]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.8/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with SMTP id AAA17753 for ; Tue, 4 May 1999 00:48:27 +0900 (JST) Reply-To: From: "Daniel Minoru Saito" To: Subject: SPAM Control Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:46:48 +0900 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BE95C7.9785A020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <01be956b$c8642c40$3687efd1@jodom.sciotobusiness> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BE95C7.9785A020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Quick question, how can I setup my mailserver to automatically delete (/dev/null/) mail, when it comes from a specific email account? Daniel ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BE95C7.9785A020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BE95C7.9785A020-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 3 10: 1:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5945615476 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id KAA04157; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: Judith Odom Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new comer In-Reply-To: <01be956b$c8642c40$3687efd1@jodom.sciotobusiness> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 May 1999, Judith Odom wrote: > Am needing experience in the Unix field. > Any info or help would be appreciated. Find articles/books, and install a free unix OS. Go to the newbies page, mpc.com has some (old) free books, do a few searches, and so on. Some people have said its good to read from the questions list, but personally I think its better to get some knowledge under your belt before you subscribe (thus understandable). Read the news (slashdot, daemon news), and places like freebsd rocks and the freebsd diary. goodluck.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 3 12:35: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6747D15774 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA19892; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:34:51 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts004d20.mer-id.concentric.net (ts004d20.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.176]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA05055; Mon, 3 May 1999 15:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:36:23 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: Judith Odom Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new comer In-Reply-To: <01be956b$c8642c40$3687efd1@jodom.sciotobusiness> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Go to: http://www.freebsd.org And start reading or, Do a search for "Linux" and do the same. Or buy "The Complete FreeBSD" from Walnut Creek CDRom (cdrom.com) or "The Unix System Administration Handbook" There is more entry level info available than one person could read in a good chunk of a lifetime, i.e., the University of Indiana has some great tutorials. ML Duke On Mon, 3 May 1999, Judith Odom wrote: > Am needing experience in the Unix field. > Any info or help would be appreciated. > Thanx > Jim > jchristian@eurekanet.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 3 14:12:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D791535F for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA00457; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <372E1203.1670410D@milkyway.org> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:15:47 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Judith Odom , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new comer References: <01be956b$c8642c40$3687efd1@jodom.sciotobusiness> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Judith Odom wrote: > Am needing experience in the Unix field.Any info or help would be > appreciated. O'Reilly publishes "Learning the UNIX Operating System" and "UNIX in a Nutshell". These coupled with FreeBSD should get you started. Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 3 14:39:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nessie.lan.intr.net (nessie.lan.intr.net [207.32.92.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6941B154CD for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peterv@verio.net) Received: from [172.16.111.170] by nessie.lan.intr.net via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 4 May 1999 00:44:43 UT Received: from verio.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tony.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA00808 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:49:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from peterv@verio.net) Message-ID: <372E19F6.59DE640F@verio.net> Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:49:42 -0400 From: Pete Vanderburgh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new comer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ML Duke wrote: > > Go to: > http://www.freebsd.org > And start reading or, > Do a search for "Linux" and do the same. > > Or buy "The Complete FreeBSD" from Walnut Creek CDRom (cdrom.com) > or "The Unix System Administration Handbook" I am currently a beginner learning UNIX on a FreeBSD system. Just my $0.02, but "The Complete FreeBSD" is not a book to start with! It has a lot of valuable information, but skips over a great deal of "concept" (IMHO). Still, used in conjunction with a more rudimentary book, I think it makes a great reference. > There is more entry level info available than one person could read > in a good chunk of a lifetime, i.e., the University of Indiana has > some great tutorials. Agreed! You can also go to amazon.com and put in a search for UNIX, Linux and FreeBSD. This may give you a good idea of where to start. I also use Dave Taylor's "Teach Yourself UNIX in 24 hours". The title is kind of a joke, really, but the first half of the book is great for the beginner. (Anyone else's thoughts on this book? Around chapter 15, it stops making sense to me) Pete Vanderburgh Verio Web Hosting, Vienna VA. > > ML Duke > > On Mon, 3 May 1999, Judith Odom wrote: > > > Am needing experience in the Unix field. > > Any info or help would be appreciated. > > Thanx > > Jim > > jchristian@eurekanet.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 3 14:41:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF5E14E3B for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 14:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bangpath@bellsouth.net) Received: from default (host-209-214-73-12.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.73.12]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA17280; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000503173633.007bc650@mail.atl.bellsouth.net> X-Sender: bangpath@mail.atl.bellsouth.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:36:33 -0700 To: "Judith Odom" From: borehawg Subject: Re: new comer Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <01be956b$c8642c40$3687efd1@jodom.sciotobusiness> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:49 AM 5/3/99 -0400, you wrote: > Am needing experience in the Unix field. Any info or help would be >appreciated. Thanx Jim jchristian@eurekanet.com I am personally a fan of the "Visual Quickstart Guides", and there was one recently published on Unix. _The_Underground_Guide_to_Unix_ is also a good one if you have a shell account of some sort and are sitting there looking at a login prompt. And of course, the aforementioned websites from earlier replies. -------------------------------------- Andrew ---> bangpath@bellsouth.net -------------------------------------- C++? Java? Perl? To Hell with it!! AppleSoft Basic all the way!!! Dude! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 3 17:11:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41FB15556 for ; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id RAA11466; Mon, 3 May 1999 17:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:10:49 -0700 (PDT) From: rick hamell To: Daniel Minoru Saito Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPAM Control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Quick question, how can I setup my mailserver to automatically delete > (/dev/null/) mail, when it comes from a specific email account? First, please turn off HTML in your messages. Second, newbies is not for questions. Third, upgrade to the newest version of sendmail which does spam filtering automatically or goto www.sendmail.org and download the config file for your version. :) Rick ---- "Religion exists because man can't belive that he's nothing more then a random accident." http://www.grendal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 5 20:17:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cgate.ace.sait.ab.ca (cgate.ace.sait.ab.ca [142.110.131.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F352F15017 for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 20:17:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rlee@it.sait.ab.ca) Received: from DN-RELAY by cgate.sait.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-10 #20584) id <01JAUP7B0E5C8X02HI@cgate.sait.ab.ca> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 5 May 1999 21:15:34 MST Received: from it.sait.ab.ca (mail.it.sait.ab.ca) by acdm.sait.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-10 #20584) with SMTP id <01JAUPATHCBO8WWQ4B@acdm.sait.ab.ca> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 05 May 1999 21:18:24 -0700 (MST) Received: by it.sait.ab.ca id AA11496; Wed, 05 May 1999 21:17:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 21:21:05 +0000 From: "Roger S. Lee" Subject: installing fbsd To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <3730B640.E0A279EC@thunder.it.sait.ab.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just recently bought FreeBSD 3.1 and am thinking of installing it in my old IBM thinkpad. The thinkpad is a 386, 16 MB RAM. I was thinking of formating the hard drive and installing FreeBSD as the new OS. Will I be able to do this? Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 5 22:13:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp5.jps.net (smtp5.jps.net [209.63.224.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B1714F8C for ; Wed, 5 May 1999 22:13:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulairi@jps.net) Received: from default (208-237-196-98.irv.jps.net [208.237.196.98]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA16231; Thu, 6 May 1999 06:13:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ulairi" To: "Roger S. Lee" Cc: "Newbies" Subject: RE: installing fbsd Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 22:11:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000401be977e$e8d1f560$1ec4edd0@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3730B640.E0A279EC@thunder.it.sait.ab.ca> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Do you have a PCMCIA-based CD-ROM on that thing? Or a network card? The basic question is how you'll get the OS onto the machine. CD-ROM and FTP come as most likely alternatives - which is why I asked about a PCMCIA CD-ROM or a network card. You can make the boot floppies without a problem, and it is quite likely that XFree supports the video card you have in there (quite possibly an S3 clone of some sort). The RAM/CPU is sufficient for you to run a fairly minimalist system set, but with X up and functioning. Chances are great that you have a small HD in there and will have to work hard to keep the space used efficiently, but it can certainly be done. I recommend contacting IBM (or digging up old docs for the laptop) and making sure that the video card in the laptop is supported by XFree (www.xfree86.org). :) | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Roger S. Lee | Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 14:21 | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | Subject: installing fbsd | | | I just recently bought FreeBSD 3.1 and am thinking of installing it in | my old IBM thinkpad. The ThinkPad is a 386, 16 MB RAM. | | I was thinking of formatting the hard drive and installing | FreeBSD as the | new OS. Will I be able to do this? | | Roger | | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNzEivlR8Yh25VFLEEQJiPgCeOkvCQEzceZaxzgqbqnxwwRa8l9oAn0Wi ljMcNvQN+NaHthwP2GMdCF3y =hMvG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 6 8:57:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285D5150DB for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 08:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA06328; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:57:16 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d03.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d03.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.111]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA21093; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 10:58:58 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: "Roger S. Lee" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing fbsd In-Reply-To: <3730B640.E0A279EC@thunder.it.sait.ab.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 5 May 1999, Roger S. Lee wrote: I recently put that issue on questions and was told the thinkpad will take FBSD as is--but there is something about loading up a particular driver if you want to run X. Duke > I just recently bought FreeBSD 3.1 and am thinking of installing it in > my old IBM thinkpad. The thinkpad is a 386, 16 MB RAM. > > I was thinking of formating the hard drive and installing FreeBSD as the > new OS. Will I be able to do this? > > Roger > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 6 10:17:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoebe.wcom.co.uk (mailhost.wcom.co.uk [194.203.119.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BC6150DF for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kristian.holdich@wcom.co.uk) Received: from gblon1gw2.wcom.co.uk (gblon1gw2.wcom.co.uk [170.127.36.232]) by phoebe.wcom.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA21351 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:17:11 +0100 (BST) Received: FROM gblon1gw2.wcom.co.uk BY gblon1gw2.wcom.co.uk ; Thu May 06 18:16:59 1999 Received: by gblon1gw2.wcom.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 6 May 1999 18:16:59 +0100 Message-ID: <638F631FE126D21193CE0000F842EF6D02FBEE19@gblon1ex2.wcom.co.uk> From: "Holdich, Kristian" To: ML Duke , "Roger S. Lee" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: installing fbsd Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:17:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Obviously it depends on the thinkpad as they are all quite different, it does work on my thinkpad 600 very nicely but then again that's a p2 not a 386... -----Original Message----- From: ML Duke [mailto:mlduke@concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 5:59 PM To: Roger S. Lee Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing fbsd On Wed, 5 May 1999, Roger S. Lee wrote: I recently put that issue on questions and was told the thinkpad will take FBSD as is--but there is something about loading up a particular driver if you want to run X. Duke > I just recently bought FreeBSD 3.1 and am thinking of installing it in > my old IBM thinkpad. The thinkpad is a 386, 16 MB RAM. > > I was thinking of formating the hard drive and installing FreeBSD as the > new OS. Will I be able to do this? > > Roger > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 6 11:38:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay.i-next.net (relay.i-next.net [202.61.64.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1659915C76 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 11:38:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitronarc@iname.com) Received: from mailhost.i-next.net (mailhost.i-next.net [202.61.64.11]) by relay.i-next.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA15303 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 00:09:56 +0800 (PHT) (envelope-from nitronarc@iname.com) Received: from honey1 (nova390.i-next.net [202.61.71.90]) by mailhost.i-next.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA01048 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:56:10 +0800 (PHT) (envelope-from nitronarc@iname.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19990506231622.00a14d30@mailhost.i-next.net> Message-Id: <4.1.19990506231622.00a14d30@mailhost.i-next.net> X-Sender: googoo@mailhost.i-next.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 23:18:58 +0815 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: "Ramoncito P. Puyat" Subject: installing freebsd with win95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone! I'm trying to install FBSD 3.1 on my system. However, my only free drive is connected to the slave of the secondary IDE. I tried using the boot manager but it didn't work. How do I go about it? Ramon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 6 13:13:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from axl01it.ntc.nokia.com (axl01it.ntc.nokia.com [131.228.118.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868A014D9A for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 13:12:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ebrunner@NASBPD01BS.ntc.nokia.com) Received: from miller.americas.nokia.com (miller.americas.nokia.com [172.18.180.20]) by axl01it.ntc.nokia.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA22155 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:11:43 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from rhino.ntc.nokia.com (rhino.americas.nokia.com [172.18.180.45]) by miller.americas.nokia.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02857 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 16:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Microsoft Mail (PU Serial #1991) by rhino.ntc.nokia.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9c for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1999May06.161105.1991.574084; Thu, 06 May 1999 16:11:30 -0400 From: ebrunner@NASBPD01BS.ntc.nokia.com (Brunner Eric NRC/Boston) To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG (freebsd-newbies) Message-ID: <1999May06.161105.1991.574084@rhino.ntc.nokia.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: Nokia Telecommunications Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:11:30 -0400 Subject: Installing on the Vaio PCG-505TX Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone done it? TiA, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 6 15:35:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC3415D47 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id PAA12914; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes To: "Ramoncito P. Puyat" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing freebsd with win95 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990506231622.00a14d30@mailhost.i-next.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi everyone! > > I'm trying to install FBSD 3.1 on my system. However, my only free drive is > connected to the slave of the secondary IDE. I tried using the boot manager > but it didn't work. How do I go about it? How exactly did you use it? Does it not load, does it not point to freebsd correctly, or what? I haven't used the bootloader as much as lilo, so I'll definatly be wrong below. There the simple answers to a minor problem (hopefully that's all you have..) If the loader doesn't.. load: 1. Its set as the mbr on the 1st drive. Either it haults (fdisk /mbr) or other OSes will overwrite it. 2. put the boot loader on the boot block of the partition. That way, yuou merely make that partition active (FreeBSDs), and then it can point to win9x (and no mbr problems). Also is *perfect* when more OSes are needed. 3. Did you set the partition active? :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 6 20:27:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE8714D27 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 20:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10204; Thu, 6 May 1999 20:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37325D56.149BB903@seattleu.edu> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:26:14 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ramoncito P. Puyat" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing freebsd with win95 References: <4.1.19990506231622.00a14d30@mailhost.i-next.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Ramoncito P. Puyat" wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I'm trying to install FBSD 3.1 on my system. However, my only free drive is > connected to the slave of the secondary IDE. I tried using the boot manager > but it didn't work. How do I go about it? > > Ramon Take a look at TROUBLE.TXT if you haven't already. You may need to put an incantation like "1:wd(2,a)kernel" at your boot prompt. -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything." -- A. L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 7 7: 4:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shepherd.hurlburt.af.mil (shepherd.hurlburt.af.mil [151.166.15.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4C2152F6 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:04:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil) Received: from shepherd.hurlburt.af.mil (root@localhost) by shepherd.hurlburt.af.mil with ESMTP id IAA23051 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:52:24 -0500 (CDT) From: EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil Received: from SMTP (virout.hurlburt.af.mil [151.166.209.70]) by shepherd.hurlburt.af.mil with SMTP id IAA23047 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 08:52:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exwncc001.hurlburt.af.mil ([151.166.208.35]) by 151.166.209.70 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Fri, 07 May 1999 13:58:12 0000 (GMT) Received: by exwncc001.hurlburt.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:04:38 -0500 Message-ID: <89A9DA446D81D2118163022048400E83DE5D6D@exwncc001.hurlburt.af.mil> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: configuring a modem Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:04:38 -0500 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I get my PnP modem to work in FreeBSD so that I may then use PPP in the KDE environment? I tried using minicom but got errors saying using default configuration file, unable to find device. I purchased an inexpensive emachine and installed FreeBSD 3.1 on it, overwriting everything on the hard drive. I accepted the defaults during install and added, I think, all of the ports from the first CD in the 4 CD set. Base system: Intel 366 celeron, 96MB, 4.3GB HD, V.90 PnP modem, ATI 3D Rage IIC. Thanks -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 7 7:19:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBFB14CE3 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 07:19:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13457; Fri, 7 May 1999 10:37:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: configuring a modem In-Reply-To: <89A9DA446D81D2118163022048400E83DE5D6D@exwncc001.hurlburt.af.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know about the KDE ppp interface, but FreeBSD comes with the user ppp application built in. Look it up in the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ppp-and-slip.html This should get you going quite easily - you can set it up to have your modem dial automatically when you start an internet application. One thing to keep in mind which may cause you lots of grief. You don't mention what brand of modem you are using; in a lot of cases, people buy these inexpensive "WinModems" which are software-driven. I don't know if FreeBSD has the drivers for these modems - it's not likely since by their very name, the modems are designed to work with Microsoft Windows drivers only. The problem with these modems is that because they don't have any built-in hardware flow control, they are dependant on your PC's CPU to do all of the work - this is where the Windows virtual device driver comes in. If you don't have the driver, you will be lucky to have the modem work as a 2400bps modem, if at all. So you may want to check on that - look at the hardware.txt file to see if your modem is supported by FreeBSD, and if it is a WinModem, you may want to consider investing in a "true" v.90 modem. M. On Fri, 7 May 1999 EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil wrote: > How do I get my PnP modem to work in FreeBSD so that I may then use PPP in > the KDE environment? I tried using minicom but got errors saying using > default configuration file, unable to find device. > > I purchased an inexpensive emachine and installed FreeBSD 3.1 on it, > overwriting everything on the hard drive. I accepted the defaults during > install and added, I think, all of the ports from the first CD in the 4 CD > set. > > Base system: Intel 366 celeron, 96MB, 4.3GB HD, V.90 PnP modem, ATI 3D Rage > IIC. > > Thanks > -Mark > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 7 17:10:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F4614E0B for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA19663; Fri, 7 May 1999 20:10:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199905080010.UAA19663@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: configuring a modem In-Reply-To: from Marty Poulin at "May 7, 99 10:37:37 am" To: mpoulin@rascal.honk.org (Marty Poulin) Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 20:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Cc: EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marty Poulin wrote, > One thing to keep in mind which may cause you lots of grief. You don't > mention what brand of modem you are using; in a lot of cases, people buy > these inexpensive "WinModems" which are software-driven. I don't know if > FreeBSD has the drivers for these modems - it's not likely since by their > very name, the modems are designed to work with Microsoft Windows drivers > only. You cannot use a WinModem with FreeBSD (or Linux... or often even with WindozeNT). -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 7 18:38: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCF1153A3 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 18:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npratt@mail.com) Received: from mail.com (ppp198-89.ecom.net [207.138.198.89]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA01293; Fri, 7 May 1999 21:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373395A6.33B2DD28@mail.com> Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 18:38:46 -0700 From: Noah Pratt Organization: AlphaBit Computer Systems & Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: configuring a modem References: <89A9DA446D81D2118163022048400E83DE5D6D@exwncc001.hurlburt.af.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org EinreinM@hurlburt.af.mil wrote: > > How do I get my PnP modem to work in FreeBSD so that I may then use PPP in > the KDE environment? I tried using minicom but got errors saying using > default configuration file, unable to find device. > > I purchased an inexpensive emachine and installed FreeBSD 3.1 on it, -------------------- From this alone, I can pretty much guarantee that you wound up with a Lucent chipset, PCI "Winmodem." I've seen far too many of these things than is healthy. These particular modems are even less expensive than 33.6Kb/s "real" modems, and are therefore the only types ever included in complete systems now. Even top-of-the-line, brand-name computer systems that ship with brand-name 3COM/USR modems have the Winmodem version. I recommend you throw it out the nearest MSWindow. -Noah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 7 19:30:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E650A14F2D for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 19:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA02276 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 8 May 1999 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199905080230.MAA02276@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 8 5:45: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from silver.komanda.com.ua (silver.komanda.com.ua [195.5.38.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839921559C for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 05:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sysop@komanda.com.ua) Received: from silver.komanda.com.ua (silver.komanda.com.ua [195.5.38.138]) by silver.komanda.com.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14592; Sat, 8 May 1999 16:00:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sysop@komanda.com.ua) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:00:05 +0300 (EEST) From: Alex Bulygin To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD&Celeron(INTEL) In-Reply-To: <199905080230.MAA02276@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Im curious how does celeron suite for FreeBSD? I mean Celeron with buit-in 128 kb ccash. Is it enougth for stable work and normal load about 50 users? Any ideas? Thanks. Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message