From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 3:34:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0340A15038 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:33:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12197; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:57:04 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "oracle" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdP12195; Sun Sep 19 20:56:55 1999 Message-ID: <00f401bf02dd$40473660$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "jonathan michaels" Cc: References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> Subject: Re: whoops! Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:26:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Another one here too ..... and not one of the "mexicans" either :) ----- Original Message ----- From: jonathan michaels To: Don Hansford ; Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 8:54 PM Subject: Re: whoops! > On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:19:34AM +1000, Don Hansford wrote: > > > I ain't no english major, either, but I was once an Australian Sergeant, > > does that count?? > > now that depends on wether you were army, navy or airforce .. > > sorta grin > > another australian ... ummm whats this world coming to ? > > regards > > jonathan > > -- > ============================================================================ === > Jonathan Michaels > PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia > =========================================================== > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 4:10:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web606.mail.yahoo.com (web606.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AA9514A1C for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jorgandar@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990919111103.21629.rocketmail@web606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.65.100.6] by web606.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:11:03 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: jorgandar blackmoon Subject: IP Masquerading To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a problem: I have a LAN in my apartement, i'm running freeBSD, my room mates are running virus95 and MacOS 8.something-rather. I'm trying to set up ip masquerading, my computer (of course) being the gateway. I think i've doen everything as correctly as the documentation specifies and i'm getting this problem: If i give my room mates an IP address outside of our LAN, they can ping it just fine, but they cant use http or telnet or any other protocol to connect to the outside world. I'm pretty sure they aren't connectiong to our ISP's DNS...but i have no idea why or how to fix the problem. Let me know if there's something that i should take another look at or if someone has an idea of how i can more accurately isolate what might be causing the problem? thankx ~Joe~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 6:51:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (web116.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12BB215128 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:51:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from padequoi@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990919135001.16583.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.153.11.101] by web116.yahoomail.com; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:50:01 PDT Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: gramond lamoureux Subject: mount: ufs filesystem not available To: current@freebsd.org Cc: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was trying to upgrade from 2.2.6 to current using cvsup, then used make world. All went well, ( I was in single user mode) then I tried to reboot and I get the message mount: ufs filesystem not available. if I do fsck and see all my mount points and they have no errors but I can't reboot. mount -a gives me 3 (mount: ufs filesystem not available) modload: creating procfs-mod: Read-only file system procfs: vsfload(procfs): operation not permitted mount: ufs filesystem not available You'll probably say, he newbies should not be doing this, but everything goes so well I thaugh id try something more exiting. Any ideas before I go back to my 2.2.6 cd and start over? Mario... thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 6:52:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.powerup.com.au (enterprise.powerup.com.au [203.32.8.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DD3615040 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 06:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre@telebot.net) Received: (qmail 32527 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 13:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO demuire) (203.147.197.210) by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 13:52:40 -0000 Message-ID: <002901bf02a8$0a8c6e80$d2c593cb@demuire> Reply-To: "Haikal Saadh" From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Subject: Which software? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:05:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was just wondering, which software would you consider 'must have's? For starters, there's bash, xwindows and the mtools... What software can you absolutely not do without? __________ Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon... ---Terry Pratchett--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 7:11:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E620B150F6 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:11:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id HAA23279; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 07:11:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199909191411.HAA23279@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, jorgandar@yahoo.com Subject: Re: IP Masquerading In-Reply-To: <19990919111103.21629.rocketmail@web606.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:11:03 -0700 (PDT) >From: jorgandar blackmoon >I have a LAN in my apartement, i'm running freeBSD, my room mates are >running virus95 and MacOS 8.something-rather. I'm trying to set up ip >masquerading, my computer (of course) being the gateway. I think i've >doen everything as correctly as the documentation specifies One thing that could help someone help you figure out what's wrong here is to mention *which* documentation you used as a guide. >and i'm >getting this problem: If i give my room mates an IP address outside of >our LAN, they can ping it just fine, but they cant use http or telnet >or any other protocol to connect to the outside world. I'm pretty sure >they aren't connectiong to our ISP's DNS...but i have no idea why or >how to fix the problem. Let me know if there's something that i should >take another look at or if someone has an idea of how i can more >accurately isolate what might be causing the problem? thankx Once the above ("which documentation?") query is addressed, this would seem to be fairly classic freebsd-questions material, and as such, I will, at this point, merely suggest that looking in the archives of -questions (via the search engine at http://www.freebsd.org/) is likely to be useful. Well, OK; I can't completely resist pointing out that yes: if a service is available via IP address, but not by using the host name, there is likely a problem in either gaining access to or using DNS. Now, if the perusal of the archives doesn't point out the problem, other things that will likely be useful include such things as output of "netstat -nr" on your machine, what natd (if any) configuration you're using, any firewall rules you have in place, and, though it's hardly the first thing to try, see what happens if you run tcpdump watching for traffic on you machine's external connection when the only activity on your LAN is one of the (failing) requests is made. (tcpdump is not intended as a tool for novices. The good news is that you're fairly unlikely to destroy your machine with it. The bad news is that understanding how to use it well is something that requires a fair amount of in-depth knowledge of TCP/IP.) And the configuration of your rommates' machines, as far as which nameserver those machines are trying to use, will likely play a role. One thing that can be useful, if you are sufficiently familiar with the procedures (or are willing to learn), is to set up your own nameserver that the "internal" machines can use. Now, if the reason you're on -newbies is that you're not familiar with UNIX in general, that's probably not the ideal course of action immediately. But there are some of us on -newbies who are familiar with UNIX in general, but not FreeBSD, or who continue to encounter Strange and Bizarre events when trying to make constructive use of what is sold as PC hardware. And sometimes it's not quite clear when something is a hardware issue, or firmware (BIOS, for example), FreeBSD, or general UNIX weirdness. (And yes; there are some of those.) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 8:55:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A09B14C13 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 08:55:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertank@hotpop.com) Received: from Ertan (unknown [212.252.147.32]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 67B8B63A1D for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001901bf02b7$97ae0c60$2093fcd4@Ertan> From: "Ertan Kucukoglu" To: Subject: problem with modem Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:56:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a problem with my modem. It is a 33600 internal modem. I can use it with linux. It works but, it uses COM4 irq 3. I am not sure but I can not get any respond to my AT commands under minicom. (reminder it works under linux). After I searched a little I found the lines below in MYKERNEL file. ----- device sio at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4 device sio at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 device sio at isa? port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 device sio at isa? port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 ----- I think they are for COM port settings and I have no idea if the problem is because of this. Also /dev/modem is linked to /dev/cuaa3. I do not know where the problem is. I need help. Regards, Ertan Kucukoglu ertank@hotpop.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 10:48:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DE514CC2 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id gRUQa10642 (3966); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:48:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <7a6bc869.25167bfe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:48:46 EDT Subject: Re: problem with modem To: ertank@hotpop.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org change this line FROM: device sio at isa? port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 TO: device sio at isa? port "IO_COM4" tty irq 3 I think you may need to comment out the COM2 section cause conflicts will arise, if you need COM2 though, change its IRQ to 9. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 11:23:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from osage.gate.net (osage.gate.net [198.206.134.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D6315177 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjm@gate.net) Received: from inca.gate.net (wjm@inca.gate.net [199.227.0.11]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA150780; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:22:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (wjm@localhost) by inca.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA144176; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:24:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: inca.gate.net: wjm owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:24:31 -0400 (EDT) From: William Melanson To: Haikal Saadh Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which software? In-Reply-To: <002901bf02a8$0a8c6e80$d2c593cb@demuire> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Haikal Saadh wrote: % % I was just wondering, which software would you consider 'must have's? % For starters, there's bash, xwindows and the mtools... % What software can you absolutely not do without? % sendmail (comes with os) lynx (ascii web browser) tcp wrappers (security purposes) XFree86 (free xserver) windowmaker (or whatever window manager you may wish) apache (if you wish to have your machine funtion as an httpd server) pine (great for reading/writing/editing email locally) less (great for viewing/editing text files functions are simular to the more or page Command) cucipop (that's if you wish to run as a POP3 server) I may be missing a few but that should build a good base system... --------------------------------oOo------------------------------------ William J. Melanson CyberGate, Inc. | e.spire Communications Sr Network Controller Deerfield Beach, FL 33441 Network Operations Center Phone: (954) 429-8080 finger wjm@gate.net PGP public key --------------------------------oOo------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 11:56: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C14214C18 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craigc@nwlink.com) Received: from craigc (ip133.gte8.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.237.133]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17253; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0c5f01bf02d1$30a25a70$0201010a@fuzzer.com> From: "Craig Critchley" To: "William Melanson" , "Haikal Saadh" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Which software? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:00:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: William Melanson > % What software can you absolutely not do without? > cucipop (that's if you wish to run as a POP3 server) The Lehey book mentions popper as the pop3 daemon... I didn't know there was more than one (this is the newbies list, after all). What are the advantages of cucipop? Personally, I'd add bash/tcsh (pick your favorite, I prefer tcsh) which aren't in the base installation, although I suppose that might not quite meet the "absolutely can't do without" standard... ...Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 12: 5:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id CB807152B7; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC42F1CD486; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:05:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: gramond lamoureux Cc: current@freebsd.org, newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount: ufs filesystem not available In-Reply-To: <19990919135001.16583.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, gramond lamoureux wrote: > I was trying to upgrade from 2.2.6 to current using cvsup, then used > make world. All went well, ( I was in single user mode) then I tried > to reboot and I get the message > mount: ufs filesystem not available. You probably forgot to update at least one of: your kernel, or /etc (see mergemaster port). You're right that you shouldn't be running -current if you have to cross-post to -newbies as well. If you really want to do this, then fine, but please don't expect help with any problems you run into; you're expected to know what you're doing on this mailing list. You might want to play with 3.3 instead, since that's different enough from 2.2.6 to give you something to do. Thanks! Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 13:40: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BDA1574B for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-116-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.116]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA29073 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:49:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <001501bf027a$da29c760$742137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <002901bf02a8$0a8c6e80$d2c593cb@demuire> Subject: Re: Which software? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:42:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Personally, I put WindowMaker, The Gimp, Eterm (love those backgrounds), Midnight Commander (great for shuffling files), Netscape,and AbiWord in straight away. I'm looking at building a virtual domain in the next few weeks, so I'm currently trying out everything in the 'www' section of the Ports directory. Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Haikal Saadh To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 12:05 AM Subject: Which software? > I was just wondering, which software would you consider 'must have's? > For starters, there's bash, xwindows and the mtools... > What software can you absolutely not do without? > > __________ > Over the centuries, mankind has tried many ways of combating the forces of > evil...prayer, fasting, good works and so on. Up until Doom, no one seemed > to have thought about the double-barrel shotgun. Eat leaden death, demon... > ---Terry Pratchett--- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 13:46: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDCC1589D for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from [212.126.149.143] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11SnqO-0001gK-00; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:45:56 +0000 Content-Length: 1063 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <026e01bf0154$0653d060$8b6931cc@dfsi.net> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:45:53 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Glen Rushing Subject: RE: Another newbies list Inquiry Cc: freebsd-newbies@Freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Sep-99 Glen Rushing wrote: > What is the consensus here on the best way to acquire FreeBsd? > Download it off the FTP site or order the CDROM distribution? If > downloading is the best answer, is there a LIST of which files are needed to > download? I usually find that a CD-ROM install is best, because the CD set contains lots of third party products that, you might not want right now, but you may want to play with later. It is possible to download files to a DOS (or Win9x) partition, and install FreeBSD from there. Instructions can be found in the install.txt file that you'll find in any distribution's directory on the FTP site. However, it's much better to boot of the FreeBSD installation disks, and get FreeBSD to download the files you need, as it decides that it needs them. This is a much easier operation for you. This method will also be explained in the install.txt file. Hope that helped! --- Andrew Boothman FreeBSD UK User Group http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 13:46:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E5E158A9 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from [212.126.149.143] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11SnqK-0001gG-00; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:45:53 +0000 Content-Length: 816 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001501bf01c7$707070c0$7a2137cb@igor> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:45:49 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Don Hansford Subject: Re: Why the list then? Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Sep-99 Don Hansford wrote: > Perhaps someone can help with this request....... > When I was first looking at FBSD, I browsed all over the place, following > many links hither and yon, and one that I found had an article about setting > up a Users Group. Since I was doing the search on a Windoze machine, I have > had to reinstall since, and, naturally, lost all the bookmarks I had so > assiduously collected. > If anyone has the address for the above, could you please send it to me? Sorry, it doesn't ring a bell. But have you tried searching the website on http://www.freebsd.org/search Or have you checked http://www.freebsdrocks.com or http://www.daemonnews.org ? --- Andrew Boothman FreeBSD UK User Group http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 14:23:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f181.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5683156CF for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mycotropic@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 71616 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 1999 21:23:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990919212310.71615.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.223.140.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:23:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [170.223.140.130] From: "gregory kinney" To: freebsd-newbies@Freebsd.org Subject: GOT it!!! Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:23:09 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear all; after much heartache, raising of my voice and copious valerian caplets; it WORKS!! We finished installing 3.2, from CD on an ancient IBM Aptiva, 486/66, 16 megs of ram, two 500 meg HDs and 2 3com 3c509 cards(one net is static IP and the other is DHCP). we did this to provide file sharing across 2 subnets that could otherwise not see each other...in one LITTLE BITTY office. Anyway, it now has Samba up and running and Apache serving serving a local instruction page! I had copious help from a Linux freak i know, but i feel really great and about 1000 miles down the road towards understanding this stuff! Thanks a LOT to this list(and various specific folks hearon) for providing solice and precise help on a NUMBER of problems! greg kinney ps - what sort of security problems should i look out for by the way? i know about the logs becoming TRUELY enormious(since i have destinct size constraints - i chose to set up a cron to delete the apache and samba logs at the end of each week) is that a logical thing to do - i figure i'd catch problems as they arise, but i have never been a sysadmin before - am i full of sh*t? pps thanks again everyone! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 14:49:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5174114D0F for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:49:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA57257; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:24:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA71934; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:34:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:34:44 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: jorgandar blackmoon Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: whoops! Message-ID: <19990919173443.A69975@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com>; from jorgandar blackmoon on Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 01:23:23AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 01:23:23AM -0700, jorgandar blackmoon wrote: > You want more newbies to fuel the freeBSD movement? Then just let them > have what they need, a newbies mailing list that is also for newbie > questions. It might be what you want. It's not necessarily what you need. A list filled with people new to FreeBSD asking questions is not going to get you useful answers. It will probably get you a lot of different answers, one of which might the right one, but without any way of telling. -newbies is a social list. If it helps, pretend the name is chat-newbies or something similar instead. Yes, -questions can sometimes be harsh. In my experience this is almost always because the answer to the question was findable with 5 minutes work going through the existing FreeBSD documentation (the FAQ, the Handbook, the manual pages, and the web site). Questions like "How do I install FreeBSD?" will get 'shouted at', regardless of where they are asked. Questions like "My FreeBSD install isn't working. I followed the instructions in the Handbook, but I get the error message 'foo' at step 7. I search the website for this error message, but nothing turned up" accomplishes several things: 1. You (that's the generic 'you', not you personally) don't look like you've put no effort in to trying to sort this out yourself. 2. It allows people who might be able to respond to have a much better idea of what the problem might be. This makes it much more likely that they will bother to answer. If you provide no information then it's much more likely that you'll be ignored. 3. It gets the error message into the mailing list archives, so that other people benefit from it. In some sense, this reflects part of the FreeBSD 'ethic'. We (again, that's the generic 'we') would rather not lower the bar to entry in order to accommodate everyone. We would prefer that people raise their 'awareness'[1]. They are then far more likely to be able to use FreeBSD. I'm well aware that some people will probably see this as being frighteningly elitist, and that FreeBSD should be catering for every single user who knows how to run a web browser. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Put this issue comes up every now and again, and you're unlikely to change anyone's opinions on it. If newbies want a newbie friendly mailing list for questions then strive to make -questions that list. Make sure that for each "Help, I can't install FreeBSD" question you put together a polite, friendly response trying to get more information so that you can solve the problem. And if you can't solve the problem, put together a nice friendly message explaining how to ask a question in -questions. It's been a while since I last subscribed, but it's possible there's something like that already. N [1] Probably the wrong word, but it'll do. -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 15:52:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA20F14D5A for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09255; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:52:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990920085205.B9228@caamora.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:52:05 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Don Hansford , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: whoops! Mail-Followup-To: Don Hansford , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> <002f01bf01c8$d950c760$7a2137cb@igor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <002f01bf01c8$d950c760$7a2137cb@igor>; from Don Hansford on Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:27:51PM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 18, 1999 at 09:27:51PM +1000, Don Hansford wrote: > Well, my knees and elbows are giving out on me nowadays, so I guess it must > have been Army ;-)) wanna trade ? i've got two almost good elbows and two kness, though you will have to find your own cruciates and medials, i've only got one good medial ligment in the whole set. other wise its a standard one owner low km's .. outback version, grin. > Bloody Aussies are everywhere, aren't we?? yup, just as log as we don;t get identified as either the fleas or the black rats they lived on during the 1300's .. could be interesting. big grin. > Regards > Igor i used to know an igor whose nickname was hansford, donald he was also a grunt, std issue infantryman (cannon fodder variety). probbly not, he has the same ide about computers i do and it sounds a lot like your sign off > Difference between computers & air-conditioners? > Not much, neither work well when you open windows! regards jonathan ... wouldabeena vietnam fodder -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 15:55:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EAE15132 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09271; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:55:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990920085518.C9228@caamora.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:55:18 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: whoops! Mail-Followup-To: Doug Young , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> <00f401bf02dd$40473660$827e03cb@apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <00f401bf02dd$40473660$827e03cb@apana.org.au>; from Doug Young on Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 08:26:25PM -0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 08:26:25PM -0000, Doug Young wrote: > Another one here too ..... and not one of the "mexicans" either :) > as long as you don't come from the bloody bible belt you should be ok .. i should add a smile but for the fact i've been savagly treated by our poor demented cousins from the north. just as a matter of interest how is apana going these days ? regards .. welcome to the madness, er machine. jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 17:25:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7659A158B5 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:25:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA04540; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:25:28 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d04.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d04.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.112]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA23689; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:24:34 -0600 (MDT) From: mlduke To: gregory kinney Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GOT it!!! In-Reply-To: <19990919212310.71615.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, gregory kinney wrote: > Dear all; > > after much heartache, raising of my voice and copious valerian caplets; > it WORKS!! Congratulations. Welcome. Now your fun begins :) Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 20: 2:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from icarus.idirect.com (icarus.idirect.com [207.136.80.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438FD14C3C for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alleve@idirect.com) Received: from terminus.idirect.com ([207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11StiS-00023H-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:02:08 -0400 Received: from user (ts7-61t-34.idirect.com [216.154.33.177]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA16275 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801bf0315$79f10b60$5435fea9@user> From: "Allix Primus" To: Subject: Linux Distribution or not ? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:08:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF02F3.E8B8D900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF02F3.E8B8D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wondering whats the difference between freebsd and linux = distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't it a = distribution of linux ? what seperates it from that ? ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF02F3.E8B8D900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just wondering whats the difference between freebsd = and linux=20 distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't it a = distribution=20 of linux ? what seperates it from that ?
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF02F3.E8B8D900-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 20:14:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FD814BC6 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13433; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:39:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "oracle" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdt13431; Mon Sep 20 13:39:10 1999 Message-ID: <01aa01bf0369$3caa33e0$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Allix Primus" Cc: References: <000801bf0315$79f10b60$5435fea9@user> Subject: Re: Linux Distribution or not ? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:08:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A7_01BF0369.3B515AA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01BF0369.3B515AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unlike my experience with a number of the linuxes, FreeBSD doesn't seem = to crash .... (mine has been permanently online for best part of a month since I got it = installed), the docs are at least partly intelligible, the contributors to the mailing lists are mostly sensible = openminded folk who realize there is a "real world" out there with all sorts of different operating = systems in use for various reasons, the=20 mailing list contributors aren't all fanatics (BSD users aren't required = to face California several times a day & recite "Our Linus ......") thats enough to keep me from messing = with "trendy" operating systems=20 like redhat=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Allix Primus=20 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 3:08 AM Subject: Linux Distribution or not ? Just wondering whats the difference between freebsd and linux = distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't it a = distribution of linux ? what seperates it from that ? ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01BF0369.3B515AA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unlike my experience with a number of = the linuxes,=20 FreeBSD doesn't seem to crash .... (mine has
been permanently online for best part = of a month=20 since I got it installed), the docs = are at least=20 partly
intelligible, the contributors to the = mailing lists=20 are mostly sensible openminded folk who realize there
is a "real world" out there with all = sorts of=20 different operating systems in use for various reasons, the =
mailing list contributors aren't all = fanatics (BSD=20 users aren't required to face California several times a
day & recite "Our Linus ......") = thats enough=20 to keep me from messing with "trendy" = operating systems
like redhat
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Allix = Primus=20
To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG =
Sent: Monday, September 20, = 1999 3:08=20 AM
Subject: Linux Distribution or = not=20 ?

Just wondering whats the difference between = freebsd and=20 linux distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't = it a=20 distribution of linux ? what seperates it from that=20 ?
------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01BF0369.3B515AA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 20:19:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB77F14BC6 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id fKMRa11143 (3964); Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:18:36 EDT Subject: Re: Linux Distribution or not ? To: alleve@idirect.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have stepped into a big pot. Linux and FreeBSD are wayyyyyyyyyyy different. Yes they do use some of the same software but they are very different. Also, Linux is just a kernel and FreeBSD is an enitre OS. Both support about the same hardware but Linux usually has more support. Theres just so much to list. FreeBSD has things like the ports collection and CVS uping of the kernel (a way of getting updates). A different filesystem and cron based security checking. They are very different, look around on the web for a better comparison. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 20:38:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C40E14CE2 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:38:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from localhost (maneben@localhost) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA31435; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:40:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:40:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Allix Primus Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux Distribution or not ? In-Reply-To: <000801bf0315$79f10b60$5435fea9@user> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Allix Primus wrote: > Just wondering whats the difference between freebsd and linux > distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't it a > distribution of linux ? what seperates it from that ? > I think we need to get one of the boys upstairs to write a nice faq explaining the differences, and then post it on the newbies page. It would be nice just to point to xxx rather then have tis question be re-answered ever few weeks (since as newbies, they always think we'll answer everything wrong, and we might). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 20:59:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6959714CC5 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA07983; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:59:53 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d24.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d24.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.84]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA14680; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:58:59 -0600 (MDT) From: mlduke To: Allix Primus Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux Distribution or not ? In-Reply-To: <000801bf0315$79f10b60$5435fea9@user> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Just wondering whats the difference between freebsd and linux distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't it a distribution of linux ? what seperates it from that ? > This is one for the questions list. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 21: 3:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from osage.gate.net (osage.gate.net [198.206.134.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5A51527E for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjm@gate.net) Received: from inca.gate.net (wjm@inca.gate.net [199.227.0.11]) by osage.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA161842; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:02:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (wjm@localhost) by inca.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA32722; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:04:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: inca.gate.net: wjm owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:04:08 -0400 (EDT) From: William Melanson To: Allix Primus Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux Distribution or not ? In-Reply-To: <000801bf0315$79f10b60$5435fea9@user> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Allix Primus wrote: % % Just wondering whats the difference between freebsd and linux % distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't % it a distribution of linux ? what seperates it from that ? % Oh boy... The can of worms you are quick to open my friend may have been better off left untouched! I can feel the ground tremble as I speak. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 21:13:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ionet.net (mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF471536F for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from photon@ionet.net) Received: from ionet.net (photon@okcnasb-613.ionet.net [38.193.88.106]) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA10911; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:12:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37E5B346.9F67D855@ionet.net> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:08:38 -0500 From: Photon Blizzard Organization: Blizzard of Photons Networking X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: Photon Blizzard , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why the list then? References: <37E318EE.75F915AF@ionet.net> <19990919010731.D14607@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > Hmph. I want a full length black skirt with little daemons all over it! > Maybe they'll get them in one day... I can dream, can't I? > Well, I hear they do have a little 'beastie bra', and when you walk out in the cold, it makes the little beasties spin and... Uh, never mind.... Geez! :-) > > If you get that sort of response from this list, you almost deserve it > for expecting newbies to have a level of sophistication that would > allow them to refer you politely to the correct list. They should, but > many are still learning to do that. Bad behaviour is inexcusable > everywhere, but people do have to be free to make a lot of mistakes in > order to learn. Some of the biggest jerks have settled down and become > valued contributors once they get a chance to relax and feel they fit > in. We hardly ever have flame fests here, but when we do, everyone > Naw, I know that there isn't a lot of flaming or anything going on, I just read the list and see all these questions that newbies are posting (and seeing others trying to help), and I realize that this isn't the venue for it and just wait for someone to tell them so. (I read this list and questions as well checking to see if something comes up that I can help with). I really read this list to pick on you from time to time. :-) > On the other hand, if you get that kind of put-down response on > freebsd-questions, that HAS to be fixed. They must get used to seeing > sensible newbies with sensible questions, however simple, and seeing > appropriate responses. It's all very well to expect more experienced > users to help, but it has to go both ways. Exactly. However, I have probably posted about 4 questions in my life to any list. (I learned quickly I was on my own for the most part). On one occassion I was *very* lucky. I couldn't get XFree86 to see my Rage III Pro+ video. I think I posted my question to a Linux XFree list and was responded to by and engineer who worked for them in Canada who gave me excplicit instructions to modify something and it worked. (Support has since been added to XFree86). Hell, when I purchased FreeBSD 2.2.6 on CD, I installed it and then blew it off at least 6 times over a period of 3 months before I finally decided that I would not be defeated! (Did the same scenario with RedHat 5.1 and came to conclusion that it just sucked and wasnt worth it).... > A large proportion of freebsd-newbies subscribers (compared to the > other lists) runs other operating systems, so there's no need for > anyone to feel inhibited about mentioning them here. Nobody gets > religious about it either, which is nice. WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S NOT RELIGION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) > FreeBSD-questions. > Question: "Where the heck did 'if_tun0' come from and what other options for 'if_' are available". Try it, dare ya! Hee, hee..... > > > I am not trying to be negative, but this list seems > > to attract newbies wanting to ask newbie questions, > > It attracts newbies, many of whom are too unfamiliar with mailing lists > to be bothered following the list charters. If they made that mistake > elsewhere, they'd get quite a hostile reception, not good for one's > first taste of FreeBSD. It's nicer to get prodded by 200 fellow > learners here, rather than flamed by 2000 experts in another FreeBSD > list. > It's just the name I was refering to, make sense, right? > > It is not meant to be everyone's cup of tea. In particular, those > newbies who think that 100% of being a newbie is asking for help won't > like it, and should be encouraged to move on. Those newbies who want > time off from constantly pleading for help and/or being told what to > do, who want to talk to some other FreeBSD users as equals for a > change, can use this list. There's nowhere else where they can do that. > Oh my god! I may actually be posting a message that is slightly within the bounds of the lists charter!! I won't stand for it! :-) Okay, I've picked on ya' for this year. Take care and keep it up! :-) Michael. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 22:44:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA (uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA [142.104.5.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC14150D6 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veenoghu@uvic.ca) Received: from chair (chair.alma.UVic.CA [142.104.140.40]) by uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA172270 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:44:26 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Morgan Stewart" To: Subject: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:39:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E0_01BF02EF.D6136DA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01BF02EF.D6136DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok... I seem to have royally mucked up. I have locked myself out of the root user account. I'm not exactly sure what I have done wrong, but here's what I did. Using a basic search & replace function on the master.passwd file I renamed the shell in use by root (and nearly all other users), from /bin/sh to /bin/csh The user I added immediately after making this change still works, all of the other users don't. I rebooted shortly thereafter and then tried to log back in. When doing this I'm greeted with the following error right as the shell should start: : No such file or directory The server is still operational and working just fine without me. But, I will eventually need to have access to it again. Please help!!! I need a suggestion for how I override either the default shell or otherwise gain access to the file system in order to restore the backed up master.passwd file. Any takers??? Please??? Cheers, Morgan Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chairperson of the UVic Students' Society Local 44 of the Canadian Federation of Students (250) 721-8370 Work & Fax (250) 472-4379 JOIN The campaign for higher education... www.cfs.bc.ca ------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01BF02EF.D6136DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok...
 
I = seem to have=20 royally mucked up.
 
I = have locked=20 myself out of the root user account.
 
I'm = not exactly=20 sure what I have done wrong, but here's what I did.
 
Using = a basic=20 search & replace function on the master.passwd file I renamed the = shell in=20 use by root (and nearly all other users), from /bin/sh to=20 /bin/csh
 
The = user I added=20 immediately after making this change still works, all of the other users = don't.
 
I = rebooted=20 shortly thereafter and then tried to log back in.  =
 
When = doing this=20 I'm greeted with the following error right as the shell should=20 start:
 
: No = such file or=20 directory
 
The = server is=20 still operational and working just fine without me.  But, I will = eventually=20 need to have access to it again.
 
Please=20 help!!!
 
I = need a=20 suggestion for how I override either the default shell or otherwise gain = access=20 to the file system in order to restore the backed up master.passwd=20 file.
 
Any = takers???=20 Please???
 

Cheers,

Morgan = Stewart

Chairperson of the UVic = Students'=20 Society Local 44 of the Canadian = Federation of Students

(250)=20 721-8370 Work & Fax (250) 472-4379

 
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JOIN

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------=_NextPart_000_00E0_01BF02EF.D6136DA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 23: 5:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0CD15041 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1CNA7qoOM_ (3972); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:05:04 EDT Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel To: veenoghu@uvic.ca Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK i did the same thing the other day!!!!!!!!! If you have one user you can save your self. You also need to know root password. Ok login to the system with the user that still works. Login:workinguser Password: ********** Then when you get to a prompt type: su That will allow superuser to login. This will appear: $su Then it will ask for a password $su Password: <--------- This is were you enter root password, if corret you get in $su Password: # <---------- now your root and you can fix the problem To change the shell the right way use: chpass root -s /bin/sh (replace sh with the shell your going to change eg. /usr/local/bin/bash) If you need more helpe let me know Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 23:15:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA (uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA [142.104.5.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0FC1571E for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veenoghu@uvic.ca) Received: from chair (chair.alma.UVic.CA [142.104.140.40]) by uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA133404; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:15:39 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Morgan Stewart" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:10:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0106_01BF02F4.313CB0C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01BF02F4.313CB0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This would work if I had access to a user that I can su with. The only user I have access to is one that doesn't have access to su. Any other suggestions? I can booth the kernel in single-user mode and get in that way, but it doesn't give me write access to the file system... Anyway around that?? Cheers, Morgan Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chairperson of the UVic Students' Society Local 44 of the Canadian Federation of Students (250) 721-8370 Work & Fax (250) 472-4379 JOIN The campaign for higher education... www.cfs.bc.ca >-----Original Message----- >From: Smc659@aol.com [mailto:Smc659@aol.com] >Sent: September 19, 1999 11:05 PM >To: veenoghu@uvic.ca >Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel > > >OK i did the same thing the other day!!!!!!!!! > >If you have one user you can save your self. You also need to know root >password. > >Ok login to the system with the user that still works. > >Login:workinguser >Password: ********** > >Then when you get to a prompt type: su >That will allow superuser to login. >This will appear: > >$su > >Then it will ask for a password > >$su >Password: <--------- This is were you enter root password, if >corret you >get in > >$su >Password: ># <---------- now your root and you can fix the problem > > >To change the shell the right way use: chpass root -s /bin/sh > >(replace sh with the shell your going to change eg. /usr/local/bin/bash) > >If you need more helpe let me know >Sam > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01BF02F4.313CB0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This would work if I = had access to=20 a user that I can su with.
 
The only user I have = access to is=20 one that doesn't have access to su.
 
Any other=20 suggestions?
 
I can booth the kernel = in=20 single-user mode and get in that way, but it doesn't give me write = access to the=20 file system... Anyway around that??
Cheers,

Morgan = Stewart

Chairperson of the UVic = Students'=20 Society Local 44 of the Canadian = Federation of Students

(250)=20 721-8370 Work & Fax (250) 472-4379

 
<= /TBODY>

JOIN

The=20 campaign for higher education...
www.cfs.bc.ca

 





>-----Original = Message-----
>From:=20 Smc659@aol.com [mailto:Smc659@aol.com]
>Sent: = September=20 19, 1999 11:05 PM
>To: veenoghu@uvic.ca
>Cc:=20 freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org
>Subject: Re: Locking myself out of = Root @=20 Wheel
>
>
>OK i did the same thing the other=20 day!!!!!!!!!
>
>If you have one user you can save your self. = You=20 also need to know root
>password.
>
>Ok login to the = system=20 with the user that still=20 works.
>
>Login:workinguser
>Password:=20 **********
>
>Then when you get to a prompt type: = su
>That=20 will allow superuser to login.
>This will=20 appear:
>
>$su
>
>Then it will ask for a=20 password
>
>$su
>Password:     = ;=20 <--------- This is were you enter root password, if
>corret=20 you
>get=20 in
>
>$su
>Password:
>#    &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; =20 <---------- now your root and you can fix the=20 problem
>         &nbs= p; 
>
>To=20 change the shell the right way use: chpass root -s=20 /bin/sh
>
>(replace sh with the shell your going to change = eg.=20 /usr/local/bin/bash)
>
>If you need more helpe let me=20 know
>Sam
>
>
>

------=_NextPart_000_0106_01BF02F4.313CB0C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 23:19:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C211520D for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 1AQKa11143 (3972); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:19:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <636877fb.25172be8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:19:20 EDT Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel To: veenoghu@uvic.ca Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought all users had access to su. Its just you need the right password for root oh well, you can try a rescue boot disk and change it that way If your desperate enough find a local exploit and break your way in. or maybe FTP. I have no other suggestions really. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 23:46: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8051538F for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:46:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craigc@nwlink.com) Received: from craigc (ip133.gte8.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.237.133]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA24714; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0da701bf0334$8ba65620$0201010a@fuzzer.com> From: "Craig Critchley" To: , Cc: References: <636877fb.25172be8@aol.com> Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:51:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i think on bsd you have to be a member of wheel to su - an extra layer of security. you should be able to remount the fs as rw in single user mode. it defaults to ro so you have time to fsck it before matters get worse in the event of a crash. If you have "The Complete FreeBSD" its in ch12, Starting and Stopping The System. Disclaimer: newbie information... ...Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 11:19 PM Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel > I thought all users had access to su. Its just you need the right password > for root > > oh well, you can try a rescue boot disk and change it that way > If your desperate enough find a local exploit and break your way in. > or maybe FTP. > > I have no other suggestions really. > Sam > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 19 23:49:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D64181557B for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel To: veenoghu@uvic.ca Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:49:09 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Morgan Stewart" at Sep 19, 99 10:39:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1064 Message-Id: <19990920064917.D64181557B@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org CC'd to -questions. Please post follow-ups there. > I have locked myself out of the root user account. Impossible. > Using a basic search & replace function on the master.passwd file I renamed the > shell in use by root (and nearly all other users), from /bin/sh to /bin/csh I won't ask. > The user I added immediately after making this change still works, all of the > other users don't. I would help if you included /etc/passwd in your post. (Or you could include /etc/master.passwd so we could try to crack your passwords :) ). > When doing this I'm greeted with the following error right as the shell should > start: > > : No such file or directory > > The server is still operational and working just fine without me. But, I will > eventually need to have access to it again. Single user mode was designed for contingencies such as this. Type "boot -s" at the boot: prompt. > I need a suggestion for how I override either the default shell or otherwise > gain access to the file system in order to restore the backed up master.passwd > file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 0:22:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA (uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA [142.104.5.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E56414D85 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veenoghu@uvic.ca) Received: from chair (chair.alma.UVic.CA [142.104.140.40]) by uvaix7e1.comp.UVic.CA (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA145530; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:22:40 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Morgan Stewart" To: Cc: "Craig Critchley" , Subject: RE: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0115_01BF02FD.89E79420" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <0da701bf0334$8ba65620$0201010a@fuzzer.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01BF02FD.89E79420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >i think on bsd you have to be a member of wheel to su - an extra layer of >security. > >you should be able to remount the fs as rw in single user mode. >it defaults to ro so you have time to fsck it before matters get worse in the >event of a crash. > >If you have "The Complete FreeBSD" its in ch12, Starting and Stopping The >System. > >Disclaimer: newbie information... > > ...Craig Thanks very much for this info... Combined with the mount man page and Sam's early comments about the proper way to change shell's ;-) I'm back up and running... Cheers... Morgan Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chairperson of the UVic Students' Society Local 44 of the Canadian Federation of Students (250) 721-8370 Work & Fax (250) 472-4379 JOIN The campaign for higher education... www.cfs.bc.ca ------=_NextPart_000_0115_01BF02FD.89E79420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Thanks very much for = this info...=20

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I'm back up and = running...=20

Cheers...

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------=_NextPart_000_0115_01BF02FD.89E79420-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 0:47: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bologna.nettuno.it (bologna.nettuno.it [193.43.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED3B156C7 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it) Received: from plutone (gcw02.jesi.nettuno.it [193.207.7.243]) by bologna.nettuno.it (8.9.3/8.9.3/NETTuno 3.3) with SMTP id JAA27918 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:46:59 +0200 (MDT) From: Giovanni Reply-To: bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fat 16 and 8.3 file format Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:39:18 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99092009424800.00143@plutone> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I' ve got a disk formatted in fat16 (it' s a 420 Mb hd) and it recognizes the files only if they are stored in 8.3 format (like old msdos). What can i do ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 1:13:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C54D14D0F for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id wQJFa04663 (3973); Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:12:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <22aab4e2.25174656@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:12:06 EDT Subject: Re: Fat 16 and 8.3 file format To: bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Was it formatted with the old dos format? If you used MS format from Win9X then it should be able to do 256. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 1:57:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB8F14BD4 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 01:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-33-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.33]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA08225 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:06:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <004401bf02e1$dffa8e60$212137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <000801bf0315$79f10b60$5435fea9@user> Subject: Re: Linux Distribution or not ? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 06:59:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The main thing that I think separates the two is stability. Since the development environment is so different (with the Core deciding what goes in or not) BSD seems to be a lot more stable and forgiving (luckily for me) than Linux. Also with Linux, each distribution is different, sometimes to an alarming degree, even though most are aiming at similar areas of the "User Market". Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Allix Primus To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 1:08 PM Subject: Linux Distribution or not ? Just wondering whats the difference between freebsd and linux distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't it a distribution of linux ? what seperates it from that ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 2:51:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A2814C57 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-41-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.41]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA08881 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:00:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <009801bf02e9$770deca0$212137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" Cc: References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> <00f401bf02dd$40473660$827e03cb@apana.org.au> <19990920085518.C9228@caamora.com.au> Subject: Re: whoops! Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:53:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What bloody bible-belt? I haven't belted anyone with a Bible for years ......... Phone books are better (heavier, and a lot easier to find) Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- > as long as you don't come from the bloody bible belt you should > be ok .. i should add a smile but for the fact i've been > savagly treated by our poor demented cousins from the north. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 3: 3: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF4315A88 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13864; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:27:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "oracle" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpds13862; Mon Sep 20 20:27:38 1999 Message-ID: <008b01bf03a2$4a222440$827e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Don Hansford" Cc: References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> <00f401bf02dd$40473660$827e03cb@apana.org.au> <19990920085518.C9228@caamora.com.au> <009801bf02e9$770deca0$2121 Subject: Re: whoops! Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:56:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a 'bible-belt' in OZ anyway ?? .... apart from the Kingaroy area thats probably not relevant anymore since us deep northerners ejected joe peanut from office I don't know that there's one around here anywhere ... try those mexicans from South Australia, I heard someplace that Adelaide is called the city of churches ......... and as for that matter of belting people with phone books I'm surprised someone with a nick of 'Igor' would use something as ineffective .....I had in mind a mailbag full of bricks at least :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hansford Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 9:53 PM Subject: Re: whoops! > What bloody bible-belt? I haven't belted anyone with a Bible for years > ......... Phone books are better (heavier, and a lot easier to find) > > Regards > Igor > > Difference between computers & air-conditioners? > Not much, neither work well when you open windows! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > as long as you don't come from the bloody bible belt you should > > be ok .. i should add a smile but for the fact i've been > > savagly treated by our poor demented cousins from the north. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 3:13:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80A814CC7 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:13:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-41-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.41]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA09189 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:22:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <00b001bf02ec$79f06bc0$212137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" Cc: References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> <00f401bf02dd$40473660$827e03cb@apana.org.au> <19990920085518.C9228@caamora.com.au> <009801bf02e9$770deca0$2121 <008b01bf03a2$4a222440$827e03cb@apana.org.au> Subject: Re: whoops! Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:15:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Aha! ...... But there is madness in my methods (something like that, anyway). You see, when the Rozzers arrive, they take one look, and decide it couldn't have been me......... No-one that scruffy looking could read a phone book! Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Young To: Don Hansford Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 5:56 AM Subject: Re: whoops! > Is there a 'bible-belt' in OZ anyway ?? .... apart from the Kingaroy area > thats probably not relevant anymore since us deep northerners ejected > joe peanut from office I don't know that there's one around here anywhere > ... try those mexicans from South Australia, I heard someplace that > Adelaide is called the city of churches ......... and as for that matter of > belting > people with phone books I'm surprised someone with a nick of 'Igor' would > use something as ineffective .....I had in mind a mailbag full of bricks at > least :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 4:52:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E8914BF2 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 04:52:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10462; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:52:35 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990920215234.A10431@caamora.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:52:34 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: veenoghu@uvic.ca, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Craig Critchley , Smc659@aol.com Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel Mail-Followup-To: veenoghu@uvic.ca, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Craig Critchley , Smc659@aol.com References: <0da701bf0334$8ba65620$0201010a@fuzzer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Morgan Stewart on Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 12:17:35AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 12:17:35AM -0700, Morgan Stewart wrote: > >i think on bsd you have to be a member of wheel to su - an extra layer of > >security. > > > >you should be able to remount the fs as rw in single user mode. > >it defaults to ro so you have time to fsck it before matters get worse in the > >event of a crash. > > > >If you have "The Complete FreeBSD" its in ch12, Starting and Stopping The > >System. now would be a good time ti implement some important stuff sue kept pounding into my thick head .. backup, backup, backup and when you think you have done enough do another backup. greg, puts in a passable parragraph or two in 'tcfbsd' (1) about how to use a std floppy diskette, also sue did a piece for deamonnews a while ago about how to use floppy diskettes as a basic storage device. a diskette would be an ideal place to put these pesky config files from /etc if you use good quality diskettes and make a two diskette combination and keep one in a data safe (of a cool dry place out of harms way -- i.e. no in your shirt pocket or sue's deamon emblazoned black f.l.skirt's pocket) and the other one in a envelope or diskette caddy in your desk drawer. i've found doing simple things like this manages to keep panaic attacks to a minimum. though i use a 500mb scsi streamer tape or the odd 150/250 mb tapes i've got laying around. no need to bak up the lot, just those important stuff and you can even use a formated but not fs'd diskette as tar will write to a raw device. please check this bit of infrmation i could have confused it with another tar alike that will do just that. i mean write to a formated but not fs'd (as a raw device i think) diskette. someting to think about fro next time ... cheers regards jonathan > >Disclaimer: newbie information... > > ...Craig this applies here to i suppose. -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 5:51: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFF414F1D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA01188; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:49:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: gregory kinney Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GOT it!!! In-Reply-To: <19990919212310.71615.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Congratulations! From your brief description you have certainly accomplished a lot of complicated stuff! As for security, I would recommend disabling any service that you don't absolutely need, and read up on TCP Wrappers. Good luck with the rest! M On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, gregory kinney wrote: > Dear all; > > after much heartache, raising of my voice and copious valerian caplets; > it WORKS!! > > We finished installing 3.2, from CD on an ancient IBM Aptiva, 486/66, 16 > megs of ram, two 500 meg HDs and 2 3com 3c509 cards(one net is static IP and > the other is DHCP). > > we did this to provide file sharing across 2 subnets that could otherwise > not see each other...in one LITTLE BITTY office. > > Anyway, it now has Samba up and running and Apache serving serving a local > instruction page! > > I had copious help from a Linux freak i know, but i feel really great and > about 1000 miles down the road towards understanding this stuff! > > Thanks a LOT to this list(and various specific folks hearon) for providing > solice and precise help on a NUMBER of problems! > > greg kinney > > ps - what sort of security problems should i look out for by the way? > i know about the logs becoming TRUELY enormious(since i have destinct size > constraints - i chose to set up a cron to delete the apache and samba logs > at the end of each week) is that a logical thing to do - i figure i'd catch > problems as they arise, but i have never been a sysadmin before - am i full > of sh*t? > > pps thanks again everyone! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 9:22:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A3014C07 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from localhost (maneben@localhost) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA18264; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:23:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:23:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Smc659@aol.com Cc: bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fat 16 and 8.3 file format In-Reply-To: <22aab4e2.25174656@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Was it formatted with the old dos format? > If you used MS format from Win9X then it should be able to do 256. I believe that's 255. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 13: 2:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (posti.saunalahti.fi [195.74.0.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C823215AEE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) Received: from sjukebox.home (CMXXVI.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.74.28.26]) by pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28880 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:10:49 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:00:17 +0300 (EEST) From: Jukka Simila To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Another success Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. It's been an questions-and-answers - season in -newbies lately so I decided to put in some content that is (somehow) related to the topic :) Anyway. Last winter I trashed the Win 95 (freed 1.8 G for my MP3's) and used only freebsd from february to late june. Then I bought a Hauppauge WinTV, and decided to install win95 for tv-watching purposes only. I wasn't satisfied with the fxtv properties, biggest problem was teletext reader. Well a couple of weeks ago I heard about this new driver for tv card, and tried it with the AleVT from ports and voila, videotext worked better than in win95 with Hauppauges own commercial program. Then I nuked the win95 again and installed win NT 4.0, for use with 3d programs (I'm not satisfied with blender's antialiasing, and it's not as powerful as 3dsMax). NT kept crashing when I tried to use Wintv program. So I concentrated on improving fxtv's properties, I had been using it only in 320x240 mode. Now when I really studied it I made it to run full-screen, so I had everything I could hope. And if only could I run 3ds and photoshop on freebsd I could say goodbye to win NT too. Photoshop I need because of it's good deinterlace filter, that fixes interlacing problems in tv captured images. It's much better than the Gimp's one. Well now I'm trying to read the O'Reilly's book about Perl. Anyone know good practices to make or problems to solve with Perl? Well well. This message maybe would belong to -multimedia because of it's multimedia related nature but it's a nice success story and because I like to read success stories that others write I decided to put it here. Btw, I did ask a question and that isn't allowed but I'll take the risk of being nailed :) @-`--,--`--- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 13:49:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from br3-de0.dnsmgr.net (br3-de0.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371CD15A8D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@br3-de0.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by br3-de0.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27874 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr) From: Rick Hamell Message-Id: <199909202044.NAA27874@br3-de0.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Newbie List Use To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry if this topic may be beaten to death, BUT as some may remeber the newbies list was allowed to come into existence as long as there were no technical questions asked here. One of the reason being a simple one. Suppose you're a newbie who all the sudden has to administer the FreeBSD server at your work. You got the job because you can always answer Windows questions. Anyways the server is pretty simple, sendmail, apache, nothing really big. Until it goes down an people can't get their e-mail. Who would you rather be answering your questions? The person who installed FreeBSD for the first time yesterday? Or somebody who has been in the same boat as you? One of the biggest arguments against the creation of this list was the chance that a newbie would get the wrong advice with no one knowledgeable enough around to say 'No, that's not right!' Now, as for the 'super-geek' attitude that someone else mentioned. Usually when something like that comes out it's because the question is either worded in a hostile way, (as may be the answer,) one or the other person could be venting frustration quite by accident. (I KNOW I've done so,) or it could be the simple error in tone inherent in E-mail. The fact remains that -questions is still and always will be the place to ask any technical questions. This list is meant to point people to places to find the answer, a place to vent frustrations or just generally chat about what 'we' as newbies would be interested in. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 15:18:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0F4153C0 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11526; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:18:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990921081836.D11378@caamora.com.au> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:18:36 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Doug Young , Don Hansford Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: whoops! Mail-Followup-To: Doug Young , Don Hansford , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990918082323.15419.rocketmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com> <001e01bf0163$1bc2bb00$732137cb@igor> <19990919065433.B7264@caamora.com.au> <00f401bf02dd$40473660$827e03cb@apana.org.au> <19990920085518.C9228@caamora.com.au> <009801bf02e9$770deca0$2121 <008b01bf03a2$4a222440$827e03cb@apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <008b01bf03a2$4a222440$827e03cb@apana.org.au>; from Doug Young on Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 07:56:53PM -0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 07:56:53PM -0000, Doug Young wrote: > Is there a 'bible-belt' in OZ anyway ?? .... apart from the Kingaroy area === chomped for brevity === i've taken this thread to private email regards and apologies to all jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 20 15:57:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C94915340 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (172.17.42.122 [172.17.42.122]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id T11MVT30; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:53:04 -0700 Message-ID: <37E6BBAC.CABB9880@seattleu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:56:44 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bigio@comune.jesi.ancona.it Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fat 16 and 8.3 file format References: <99092009424800.00143@plutone> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giovanni wrote: > > I' ve got a disk formatted in fat16 > (it' s a 420 Mb hd) and it recognizes > the files only if they are stored in 8.3 > format (like old msdos). First, read the mount_msdos(8) man page. Under the -l section it will tell you what you need to do. If you can't figure it out, give me a mail off the list. -- Eric Hodel - hodeleri@seattleu.edu | Customers will come to our Aspiring programmer & FPS minor demi-god. | 'home page' in unbelievable ------------------------------------------/ numbers and find out every- thing we want them to know. --Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 21 3:55: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.powerup.com.au (enterprise.powerup.com.au [203.32.8.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B5CE151ED for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre@telebot.net) Received: (qmail 23886 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 10:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO demuire) (203.147.249.77) by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 10:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <002001bf0421$916af140$4df993cb@demuire> Reply-To: "Haikal Saadh" From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "David Wolfskill" Cc: References: <199909201457.HAA27519@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Which software? Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 05:12:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *snip* > Well, I certainly haven't had reason to use mtools sine '94, and have no > expectation of needing them again. I expect it's because you either don't use floppies (which is a good thing, I'd say), or have an alternative means to accessing them..in which case could you tell me what it is? > Nearly the same story with bash -- never used it; don't see a need to. > (Have seen it misbehave for others, which is additional disincentive to > bother.) Have heard a number of people comment on this, but no one mentions a reason..could you shed some light on this? Is there another shell that would be more intuitive to the uninitiated newbie? I've tried sh (<-naturally...figuring out how to make bash my login shell was one of my many trials.), and csh, which I found very, very user-unfriendly. > Use X, yes; also gcc, but both of these are selectable from the FreeBSD > distribution. Once you have that (and gzip), you should be able to get > just about anything available in source form, compile, & install it. Noted. > Not quite sure why you seem to have wanted private replies only; this > would have seemed an appropriate topic for group discussion. (Ref. the > "Reply-To:" header quoted above.) MMmmm...newbie mistake :) Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 21 16: 0: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E5A14F54 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:00:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from [212.126.147.161] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11TYt9-000592-00; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:59:56 +0000 Content-Length: 875 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <002901bf02a8$0a8c6e80$d2c593cb@demuire> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:59:52 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Haikal Saadh Subject: RE: Which software? Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Sep-99 Haikal Saadh wrote: > I was just wondering, which software would you consider 'must have's? > For starters, there's bash, xwindows and the mtools... > What software can you absolutely not do without? I like XFMail as an e-mail client, and I usually install apache and MySQL so I can muck about with a bit of database-based CGI stuff. I think it's difficult, if not impossible, to give other people advice on what software to install. I think it's best to just experiment with what's in the ports collection and out on the Internet. I've got loads of stuff installed that I knew nothing about, and certainly didn't know I wanted, when I first came to FreeBSD. Just see what you like. Your only constraint is your HDD space! --- Andrew Boothman FreeBSD UK User Group http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 21 16:34: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC4E14F54 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 16:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2ivebhq.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.46.58]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18787; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37E81580.49228208@confusion.net> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:32:16 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Critchley Cc: Smc659@aol.com, veenoghu@uvic.ca, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel References: <636877fb.25172be8@aol.com> <0da701bf0334$8ba65620$0201010a@fuzzer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Although this mail makes it apparent that you're trying to su to root, it should be noted that you only need to be wheel to su to root. You can su to another user without being in wheel using the format "su " Craig Critchley wrote: > > i think on bsd you have to be a member of wheel to su - an extra layer of > security. > > you should be able to remount the fs as rw in single user mode. it defaults > to ro so you have time to fsck it before matters get worse in the event of a > crash. > > If you have "The Complete FreeBSD" its in ch12, Starting and Stopping The > System. > > Disclaimer: newbie information... > > ...Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 1999 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: Locking myself out of Root @ Wheel > > > I thought all users had access to su. Its just you need the right password > > for root > > > > oh well, you can try a rescue boot disk and change it that way > > If your desperate enough find a local exploit and break your way in. > > or maybe FTP. > > > > I have no other suggestions really. > > Sam > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 The above email Copyright (C) 1999 Laurence Berland All rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 21 17:15:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC2215440 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gcgoring@aol.com) Received: from Gcgoring@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nMTIa08846 (3888) for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Gcgoring@aol.com Message-ID: <6854938f.25197983@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:14:59 EDT Subject: Newbie UNIX User To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 9 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am attempting to learn UNIX and Perl scripting. Currently, I am not certain as how to download UNIX from www.freebsd.org. There are many files listed, am I to download each file to my PC? Also, after I get UNIX installed on my PC, will I be able to practice Perl on UNIX? Gail Goring To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 21 17:18:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FAB15468 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:18:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nFLW01S1z7 (3969); Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <2d212b5f.25197a58@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:18:32 EDT Subject: Re: Newbie UNIX User To: Gcgoring@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can use a floppy and download it threw ftp. (It wont work threw aol, you need a regular ISP) http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html or you can go to www.cdrom.com and www.cheapbytes.com and order a CD. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 21 19:54:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.204.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9108314F12 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rwmtse@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) Received: from Psytse (rn-re123b12.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.33.56]) by undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA02811 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c801bf049d$7fc42200$38216181@uwaterloo.ca> From: "Rosa Tse" To: Subject: Broken Link Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:55:08 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01BF0484.5A3CEE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01BF0484.5A3CEE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'd like to report the following broken link: http://www.ca.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html Hope you guys fix it as soon as possible. Thanks!! Rosa ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01BF0484.5A3CEE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I'd like to report the following broken = link:
http://= www.ca.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html
 
Hope you guys fix it as soon as = possible.=20 Thanks!!
 
Rosa
------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01BF0484.5A3CEE40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 21 20: 8: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F2C14E3E; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:08:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id MAA15998; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:37:52 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:37:51 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Rosa Tse Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Documenters Subject: Re: Broken Link Message-ID: <19990922123751.A7337@freebie.lemis.com> References: <00c801bf049d$7fc42200$38216181@uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <00c801bf049d$7fc42200$38216181@uwaterloo.ca>; from Rosa Tse on Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 10:55:08PM -0300 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 21 September 1999 at 22:55:08 -0300, Rosa Tse wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to report the following broken link: > http://www.ca.freebsd.org/tutorials/newuser/newuser.html Thanks for the report. You should send this kind of message to FreebSD-doc@FreeBSD.org (copied), since the responsible people don't all read -newbies. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 22 3: 2:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.duess.jis.de (mail.d.netic.de [212.118.160.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517251555D for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 03:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: by mail.duess.jis.de (Smail3.2.0.106/isc.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services via remoteip 195.4.231.204 via remotehost [195.4.231.204] with esmtp for hub.FreeBSD.ORG id m11TjDJ-001LulC; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:01:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Sender: heiko:d.netic.de@mail.d.netic.de Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <002901bf02a8$0a8c6e80$d2c593cb@demuire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:42:51 +0100 To: Haikal Saadh From: Heiko Recktenwald Subject: RE: Which software? Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:59 Uhr +0100 21.09.1999, Andrew Boothman wrote: >On 19-Sep-99 Haikal Saadh wrote: >> I was just wondering, which software would you consider 'must have's? >> For starters, there's bash, xwindows and the mtools... >> What software can you absolutely not do without? > >I like XFMail as an e-mail client, and I usually install apache and MySQL so I >can muck about with a bit of database-based CGI stuff. > >I think it's difficult, if not impossible, to give other people advice on what >software to install. I think it's best to just experiment with what's in the >ports collection and out on the Internet. I've got loads of stuff installed >that I knew nothing about, and certainly didn't know I wanted, when I first >came to FreeBSD. I have no experiences with MySQL, or SQL in general, and my email is old PINE, which works also with X, but when it comes to Multimedia, there is GIMP !! Gimp is some kind of Photoshop replacement, one can make incredible animated background gifs, it wasnt on my 3.1 CD, but you can get it from one of the 3.2 collections, ftp, and it tells you, what it wants as additional software. Around 6 MB. IMHO a must, if you like this kind of things. There is a "multimedia page", that I havent seen yet,because I am not at home... at: http://xanim.pubnix.va.com/. But "your mileage may vary", Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 22 6:14:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2246215E50 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA04297; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:15:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:15:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: Gcgoring@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie UNIX User In-Reply-To: <6854938f.25197983@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Gail, Your best bet to get started is to read the FreeBSD Handbook, located at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ There is an excellent chapter on installing FreeBSD (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html) which should give you all the information you need. Good luck, and let us know how it went! M. On Tue, 21 Sep 1999 Gcgoring@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > I am attempting to learn UNIX and Perl scripting. > Currently, I am not certain as how to download UNIX from www.freebsd.org. > There are many files listed, am I to download each file to my PC? > > Also, after I get UNIX installed on my PC, will I be able to practice Perl on > UNIX? > > Gail Goring > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 22 12:54:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06E6154F1 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:54:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nVXIa18968 (3967) for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <5d64be6.251a8df1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:54:25 EDT Subject: 3.3 CDROM's To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know where to get FreeBSD cdroms besides cdrom.com and cheapbytes.com? Looking for 3.3-Release. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 23 5:36: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218B914EE9 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:35:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loay@isr.umd.edu) Received: from isr.umd.edu ([24.3.22.234]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990923123544.QAKA29344.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@isr.umd.edu> for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 05:35:44 -0700 Message-ID: <37EB6ED9.F97FDAAD@isr.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:30:17 -0400 From: Loay Oweis Reply-To: loay@isr.umd.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: rdump Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are getting this problem while running rudump any help is excellent. Best regards, Loay Oweis root@a.com:/% /sbin/rdump 0u -f node.com:/dev/nrst0 /usr DUMP: Login incorrect. DUMP: login to birch.coppin.edu as root failed. root@a.com:/% cat .rhosts birch.coppin.edu root root@node.com:/% cat .rhosts ash.coppin.edu root To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 23 9:15:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bh1.joinnet.com.br (bh1.joinnet.com.br [200.238.253.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60A414FAB for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:15:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cseg@mail.com) Received: from victim (5router-line48.joinnet.com.br [200.238.252.118]) by bh1.joinnet.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07221; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:30:13 -0300 From: cseg@mail.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990923125610.007b63b0@joinnet.com.br> X-Sender: cseg@joinnet.com.br (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:56:10 -0300 To: Smc659@aol.com Subject: Re: 3.3 CDROM's Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <5d64be6.251a8df1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:54 22/09/99 EDT, Smc659@aol.com wrote: >Anyone know where to get FreeBSD cdroms besides cdrom.com and cheapbytes.com? >Looking for 3.3-Release. As far as I know, 3.3 series CD's are not available yet. -- Stay always alarmed; if for even one second you don't know where your enemy is, probably you're already dead. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 23 9:17: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bh1.joinnet.com.br (bh1.joinnet.com.br [200.238.253.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E494A14FAB for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cseg@mail.com) Received: from victim (5router-line48.joinnet.com.br [200.238.252.118]) by bh1.joinnet.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07200; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:29:46 -0300 From: cseg@mail.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990923131621.007b63b0@joinnet.com.br> X-Sender: cseg@joinnet.com.br (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:16:21 -0300 To: "Allix Primus" Subject: Re: Linux Distribution or not ? Cc: In-Reply-To: <000801bf0315$79f10b60$5435fea9@user> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:08 19/09/99 -0400, Allix Primus wrote: > Just wondering whats the difference between freebsd and linux >distributions, it uses the same things and even uses X , isn't it a >distribution of linux ? what seperates it from that ? Linux is a UNIX-like operating system, like FreeBSD is. Althought, FreeBSD is based on BSDi, and Linux is not. The fact that both OS's use XFree and/or some other tools, doesn't mean they are the same thing. If we think that way, UNIX wouldn't be a standard anymore, because all UNIX-like OS's would be the *same* thing, right? But it's not. Every UNIX-like OS has many individual characteristics, making each of them different from other ones. Yes, apparently, FreeBSD is almost the same stuff Linux is, but it's not real. You have to use them more and more, until you can easily notice they are very different between themselves. And then, you'll notice you cannot live without any UNIX-like anymore. :-) I do prefer FreeBSD and OpenBSD rather than Linux. Maybe that's because Linux became too "We are Microsoft's enemy", and forgot it's a UNIX-like for a while, but it's *my* opinion. Also, when I began using *BSD, I noticed lots of little differences. Some are not that little, like re-compiling the kernel. It's *tottaly* different. Well, the systems are different, and the only one who can tell you that, is yourself. Try them. :-) -- Stay always alarmed; if for even one second you don't know where your enemy is, probably you're already dead. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 23 14:52:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cell-works.com (cell-works.com [216.112.245.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B45F14FB2 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:52:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by cell-works.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02609; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:55:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:55:34 -0400 (EDT) From: John Daniel To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: paksao@home.com Subject: howdy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is basically a check in with my peers. And to check to see has anyone had any experiencewith the following Misterhouse freebsd gateways on comcast @home I think I remember reading that some one on the list had found a site that talked you through it. does anyone remmber the site that was going to be a cookbook for setting up freebsd for different purposes. I ran a cross it afew months ago when it had nothing on it and I was wondering if it had some thing going on now. anyone in maryland,USA ? anyone know a good source for cheap pc's in maryland? i need a new box ( aka "new" used box)so i can set up a hack system. Most of the stuff I see is overpriced. remember the movie the matrix anyone hear what programs they used to make it , I heard the OS was freebsd. but what else ports software commercial stuff. Did some digital capture into win98/adobe premiere what a CF. This driver that motherboard,that capture card that, dll and knowbody(aka all the tech support people and venders who are supposed to "know" what they're doing) seems to be able to make it work. So much to do got a Nt box that crashed today I have to have a technician in to fix it ($125 /hr) not that I could fix it if it was freebsd but all in all freebsd is easier to deal with for me. Comments? any one got 3.3.3 yet? anyone find a good scripting site ( perl, cgi)? Show of hands gui or shell prompt? thanks in advance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 1:52:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 357EE14D74 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrishantz@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 21565 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 08:51:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924085139.21564.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.1.24.116 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:51:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.1.24.116] From: "Chris Hantz" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Questions on install Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:51:39 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently have reviewed the freebsd.org website and am ready to install FREEBSD. I am running a Win98 machine with a 9.1 gig drive..I am running a primary (FAT32) and extended partitions, the extended having 4 logical DOS drives running FAT32. I have downloaded kern.flp and mfsroot.flp and have read through the README that is provided. My question is what else do I need? I have also grabbed the complete BIN directory. Where do I put the bin files? How do I configure BSD to work with Windows98..I am very confused. Where do I start, how do I start? Do I pop in the floppy with kern.flp and go from there? How will it know which drive to install it to etc...what is the boot.flp, will I need this in the installation? Thanks, Chris Hantz ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 1:52:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FF714D74 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 01:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-61-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.61]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA17428 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:02:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <001301bf0605$be967dc0$3d2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: Subject: Re: howdy Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:53:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org GUI, but with a bloody great Eterm in it for the serious stuff. ;-)) Regards Igor I use UNIX because reboots are for hardware upgrades. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Daniel To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 7:55 AM Subject: howdy > > Show of hands gui or shell prompt? > > thanks in advance > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me > a lot of money." > > -JH > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 6:46:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f195.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 90FDE14D3D for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mycotropic@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 4628 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 1999 13:46:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990924134620.4627.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 170.223.140.130 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:46:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [170.223.140.130] From: "gregory kinney" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: howdy Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:46:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use UNIX cause I can't sleep without the whisper of CPU fans all around me, holding me suspended on a cushion of processor warmed air........ wistfully g >From: "Don Hansford" >To: >Subject: Re: howdy >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:53:51 +1000 > >GUI, but with a bloody great Eterm in it for the serious stuff. ;-)) > > >Regards >Igor > >I use UNIX because reboots are for hardware upgrades. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Daniel >To: >Cc: >Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 7:55 AM >Subject: howdy > > > > > > > Show of hands gui or shell prompt? > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- > > > > "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed >me > > a lot of money." > > > > -JH > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 7:11:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F2A150E5 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 07:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ifup@yifan.net) Received: from NCHM04A77.RMT.UTK.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13637; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NCHM04A77.RMT.UTK.EDU (128.169.250.77 -> NCHM04A77.RMT.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:11:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:11:44 -0400 (EDT) From: ifup X-Sender: ifup@rg.dhis.org To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: question before installing freebsd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I decide to give FreeBSD a shot. Before anything, I want to get some answer for these: 1. I want setup a multi boot system. Will freebsd be happy to stay in a 1GB primary partition? (If I find it attactive later, I will give it more space.) 2. I have Partition boot magic. Can it handle FreeBSD like it does with Linux? 3. what is the name for /dev/hda3 (linux) in FreeBSD. If possible, I wish to avoid using fdisk like tool. Will it work, if I use Partition Magic to create a ext2 partition for it? Thanks, Weizhong /just made freebsd 3.3 cd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 8:46:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6344C1557E for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbcorey@azstarnet.com) Received: from dialup17ip116 (dialup17ip116.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.38.116]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3+blt.Beta0/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA14208; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:46:02 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ From: "Scott B. Corey" To: "Chris Hantz" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Questions on install Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:48:20 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <19990924085139.21564.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99092408553801.02376@dialup17ip116> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Chris Hantz wrote: > I recently have reviewed the freebsd.org website and am ready to install > FREEBSD. I am running a Win98 machine with a 9.1 gig drive..I am running a > primary (FAT32) and extended partitions, the extended having 4 logical DOS > drives running FAT32. I have downloaded kern.flp and mfsroot.flp and have > read through the README that is provided. My question is what else do I > need? I have also grabbed the complete BIN directory. Where do I put the bin > files? How do I configure BSD to work with Windows98..I am very confused. > Where do I start, how do I start? Do I pop in the floppy with kern.flp and > go from there? How will it know which drive to install it to etc...what is > the boot.flp, will I need this in the installation? > > Thanks, > Chris Hantz Go back to http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html and read and read. Then when you have read the Installation section and done what it asks, you will have a better understanding of what installing FreeBSD entails. I am not trying to be a smart ass, I am trying to help you. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 9:26:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260AD14E18 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk) Received: from fs3.rncm.ac.uk ([193.63.96.102] helo=rncm.ac.uk) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11UYAk-0004zH-00; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:26:10 +0100 Received: from RNCM-FS3/SpoolDir by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 24 Sep 99 17:26:15 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by RNCM-FS3 (Mercury 1.44); 24 Sep 99 17:25:59 GMT Received: from selene (193.63.96.96) by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 24 Sep 99 17:25:52 GMT From: "Peter McGarvey" To: "ifup" , Subject: RE: question before installing freebsd Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:25:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I decide to give FreeBSD a shot. Before anything, I want to get some > answer for these: > > 1. I want setup a multi boot system. Will freebsd be happy to stay in a > 1GB primary partition? (If I find it attactive later, I will > give it more > space.) I've had FreeBSD running quite happily in a 250MB partition. > > 2. I have Partition boot magic. Can it handle FreeBSD like it does with > Linux? > > 3. what is the name for /dev/hda3 (linux) in FreeBSD. If possible, I > wish to avoid using fdisk like tool. Will it work, if I use Partition > Magic to create a ext2 partition for it? FreeBSD uses UFS . It don't use ext2 - although it will mount ext2 partitions. As for Partition Magic, well from memory it don't do UFS. I've installed several unixes. FreeBSD was my first unix and it was real easy. Setting up the disks can be a bit of a chore - but only if you insist on doing it by hand. A few weeks back I acquired a copy RedHat Linux. This was quite easy to install but I found myself saying "FreeBSD is easier" when I was setting up the disks. If I remember it seemed to have the irritating habit of using multiple entries in the partition table. Not the worst unix setup but Your best bet is to just have a go. Plan to install it twice. The first time to see what it's like - and to find the pitfalls. The second time to do it right. It's amazing what you can learn by just "having a go". Once installed, if you still need to know what the disks are called check out the file /etc/fstab which lists all your filesystems. TTFN, FNORD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Peter McGarvey, Networks Manager | email: Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk Royal Northern College of Music | tel: +44 (0)161 907 5218 124 Oxford Road, Manchester, | fax: +44 (0)161 273 7611 England M13 9RD | mobile: +44 (0)7887 990564 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 10:49:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.visualedge.com (visualedge.com [207.139.24.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08AA914DFE for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:49:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martinm@visualedge.com) Received: from pony by vedge with SMTP (8.6.11/) id NAA07764; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bf06b5$309ac5c0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> From: "Martin Mactaggart" To: "Peter McGarvey" , References: Subject: Re: question before installing freebsd Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:49:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 1. I want setup a multi boot system. Will freebsd be happy to stay in a > 1GB primary partition? (If I find it attactive later, I will > give it more > space.) Yes. In fact it will be downright content... You don't REALLY need to give it more space, in fact, if the kernel is compiled right (with support the file system FAT32), you can use your FAT32 partitions from inside of FreeBSD =)... Just modify the file /etc/fstab to automatically load one of your FAT32 partitions on start up... If any of that was confusing, don't worry, it won't be by the time it becomes an issue. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 11:48:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mb07.swip.net (mb07.swip.net [193.12.122.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C3B14CF8 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha.korkiakangas@swipnet.se) Received: from swipnet.se (d212-151-178-25.swipnet.se [212.151.178.25]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19779 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:47:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37EBC75F.221F3B3@swipnet.se> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:47:59 +0200 From: Juha Korkiakangas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Netscape won't work! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Error message is ;'can't load /usr/libexec/ld.so'. This ld.so it's not in my system anymore. Thank's for help; Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 11:55:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A7D150C8 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:55:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA05665; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199909241855.LAA05665@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, juha.korkiakangas@swipnet.se Subject: Re: Netscape won't work! In-Reply-To: <37EBC75F.221F3B3@swipnet.se> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:47:59 +0200 >From: Juha Korkiakangas >Error message is ;'can't load /usr/libexec/ld.so'. This ld.so it's not >in my system anymore. Among the things that would be appropriate to accompany your post to freebsd-questions (if checking the archives and other information, such as FAQs, don't turn up the answer) would be answers to: * What version of FreeBSD are you running? * Was this a fresh install? If not, what version was it before, and how was the upgrade/migration accomplished? There were (and may still be) some issues with respect to "ELF" vs. "aout" (different ways of laying out the content of binary files), and the migration from the latter to the former (FreeBSD 2.x and prior -> FreeBSD 3.x and following). Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 11:58:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from deneb.spawar.navy.mil (deneb.nosc.mil [198.253.0.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B1914D1F for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noonans@spawar.navy.mil) Received: by deneb.nosc.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:57:46 -0700 Message-ID: <35581CA8EEF2D011BA0000805F95055A01041373@deneb.nosc.mil> From: "Noonan, Mr Sean P." Reply-To: snoonan@cx952600-a.fed1.sdca.home.com To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: CVSup / make world problems Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:57:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm a FreeBSD newbie and have a problem. I just learned about CVSup from the article at http://www.samag.com/archive/0809/feature.shtml . I was able to update all my 3.2-RELEASE source files an then attempted a 'make world'. About five minutes into it, it blows up with: . . . rm -rf lib ext Porting hints build rm -f .depend /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GPATH /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GRTAGS /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GSYMS /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GTAGS ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl "Makefile", line 24: Malformed conditional (${PERL_THREADED} == "yes") "Makefile", line 24: Need an operator "Makefile", line 26: if-less endif "Makefile", line 26: Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. su-2.03# I figured the probem is with the file /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/Makefile. I found the reference to '(${PERL_THREADED} == "yes"' in this file but nothing "pops out at me" as being messed up. Can anyone offer a suggestion as to how to proceed? I'd really like to know about the thought process involved, so I can fix problems like this in the future on my own. Thanks in advance, -Sean Noonan snoonan@cx952600-a.fed1.sdca.home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 12:19:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from alexandria.thedial.com (alexandria.thedial.com [204.252.162.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5911507C for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@thedial.com) Received: from mukmuk.thedial.com ([204.252.162.131] helo=thedial.com) by alexandria.thedial.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Uas0-00076b-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:19:00 -0700 Message-ID: <37EBE0A1.A7EB1832@thedial.com> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:35:45 -0700 From: james Organization: theDial < www.thedial.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Netscape won't work! References: <37EBC75F.221F3B3@swipnet.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Juha Korkiakangas wrote: > > Error message is ;'can't load /usr/libexec/ld.so'. This ld.so it's not > in my system anymore. > Thank's for help; > Juha > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message go back into /stand/sysinstall and install compat 2x james ---------------------------------------------------------------- james nigh systems administrator/webmaster icq 27459905 theDial "Broadcasting for the New World" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 12:19:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mb07.swip.net (mb07.swip.net [193.12.122.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48FE155ED for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha.korkiakangas@swipnet.se) Received: from swipnet.se (d212-151-178-25.swipnet.se [212.151.178.25]) by mb07.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11235 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:18:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37EBCEB5.CB347CAB@swipnet.se> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:19:17 +0200 From: Juha Korkiakangas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Netscape won't work! References: <199909241855.LAA05665@pau-amma.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Wolfskill wrote: > >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:47:59 +0200 > >From: Juha Korkiakangas > > >Error message is ;'can't load /usr/libexec/ld.so'. This ld.so it's not > >in my system anymore. > > Among the things that would be appropriate to accompany your post to > freebsd-questions (if checking the archives and other information, such > as FAQs, don't turn up the answer) would be answers to: > > * What version of FreeBSD are you running? > > * Was this a fresh install? If not, what version was it before, and how > was the upgrade/migration accomplished? > > There were (and may still be) some issues with respect to "ELF" vs. > "aout" (different ways of laying out the content of binary files), and > the migration from the latter to the former (FreeBSD 2.x and prior -> > FreeBSD 3.x and following). > > Cheers, > david > -- > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator > voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message FreBSD 3.2, fresh installion(no upgrade). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 12:25:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A895014C2D for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from localhost (maneben@localhost) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA04369; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:25:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:25:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: Peter McGarvey Cc: ifup , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: question before installing freebsd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 3. what is the name for /dev/hda3 (linux) in FreeBSD. If possible, I > > wish to avoid using fdisk like tool. Will it work, if I use Partition > > Magic to create a ext2 partition for it? > > FreeBSD uses UFS . It don't use ext2 - although it will mount ext2 > partitions. As for Partition Magic, well from memory it don't do UFS. I beta-tested PQ Magic 4.x and on. Actually, a new beta came last week, but to the wrong adress. PQ Magic does not (and will not) support creating FreeBSD/386BSD partitions. It will recognize them, although I do not believe it can resize them. I may be wrong on the latter. For ext2, which is of course Linux (unil ext3 or xfs battle it out). It can create, resize, etc the partitions. With my experience with v4 and 4.1, I don't trust it. I found that when installing RedHat 5.05, the system went crazy (I tested it by not letting RH reformat). After a few reboots, all of my time-stamps were set to 04-01-80, and later my C: drive's (fat16) partition table was lost (which, through a bit of skill, I got the data back). I'd recomend that if you ever do use PQ Magic 4.x and Linux, use PQ Magic to organize the drive. Then use Linux's fdisk to recreate and reformat the partition. I was assured that this problem was/will be fixed in later releases. I did find one consumer user on SVLUG one time rant about a similar problem with v4.1. Luckily, I got mine for free. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 13:21:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6B014D09; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA08266; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:20:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: snoonan@cx952600-a.fed1.sdca.home.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup / make world problems In-Reply-To: <35581CA8EEF2D011BA0000805F95055A01041373@deneb.nosc.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The people in -questions will be much better equipped to answer this one. CC'd to them. M. On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Noonan, Mr Sean P. wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a FreeBSD newbie and have a problem. > > I just learned about CVSup from the article at > http://www.samag.com/archive/0809/feature.shtml > . I was able to update > all my 3.2-RELEASE source files an then attempted a 'make world'. > > About five minutes into it, it blows up with: > > > . > . > . > rm -rf lib ext Porting hints build > rm -f .depend /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GPATH > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GRTAGS > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GSYMS > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GTAGS > ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl > "Makefile", line 24: Malformed conditional (${PERL_THREADED} == "yes") > "Makefile", line 24: Need an operator > "Makefile", line 26: if-less endif > "Makefile", line 26: Need an operator > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/gnu. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > su-2.03# > > I figured the probem is with the file > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/Makefile. I found the reference to > '(${PERL_THREADED} == "yes"' in this file but nothing "pops out at me" as > being messed up. > > Can anyone offer a suggestion as to how to proceed? I'd really like to know > about the thought process involved, so I can fix problems like this in the > future on my own. > > Thanks in advance, > > -Sean Noonan > snoonan@cx952600-a.fed1.sdca.home.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 14: 5: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97038152F4 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-62-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.62]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA26503 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:15:12 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <004b01bf066c$1a4494c0$3e2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <19990924134620.4627.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: howdy Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:06:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How poetic! Regards Igor Windows = 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. ----- Original Message ----- From: gregory kinney To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 11:46 PM Subject: Re: howdy > I use UNIX cause I can't sleep without the whisper of CPU fans all around > me, holding me suspended on a cushion of processor warmed air........ > > wistfully > g > > > >From: "Don Hansford" > >To: > >Subject: Re: howdy > >Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 06:53:51 +1000 > > > >GUI, but with a bloody great Eterm in it for the serious stuff. ;-)) > > > > > >Regards > >Igor > > > >I use UNIX because reboots are for hardware upgrades. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: John Daniel > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 7:55 AM > >Subject: howdy > > > > > > > > > > > > Show of hands gui or shell prompt? > > > > > > thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----- > > > > > > "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed > >me > > > a lot of money." > > > > > > -JH > > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----- > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 16:55:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D72B14D5A; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:55:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA65958; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:22:31 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:22:31 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Marty Poulin Cc: snoonan@cx952600-a.fed1.sdca.home.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup / make world problems Message-ID: <19990925092231.X54407@freebie.lemis.com> References: <35581CA8EEF2D011BA0000805F95055A01041373@deneb.nosc.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Marty Poulin on Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 04:20:39PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 September 1999 at 16:20:39 -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > The people in -questions will be much better equipped to answer this one. > CC'd to them. Agreed. > On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Noonan, Mr Sean P. wrote: >> I'm a FreeBSD newbie and have a problem. >> >> I just learned about CVSup from the article at >> http://www.samag.com/archive/0809/feature.shtml >> . I was able to update >> all my 3.2-RELEASE source files an then attempted a 'make world'. >> >> About five minutes into it, it blows up with: >> . >> rm -rf lib ext Porting hints build >> rm -f .depend /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GPATH >> /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GRTAGS >> /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GSYMS >> /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/GTAGS >> ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl >> "Makefile", line 24: Malformed conditional (${PERL_THREADED} == "yes") >> "Makefile", line 24: Need an operator >> "Makefile", line 26: if-less endif >> "Makefile", line 26: Need an operator >> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >> >> I figured the probem is with the file >> /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/Makefile. I found the reference to >> '(${PERL_THREADED} == "yes"' in this file but nothing "pops out at me" as >> being messed up. That in itself is messed up. The error messages refer to lines 24 to 26; the correct Makefile is 10 lines long and has no reference to PERL_THREADED. I'd guess that you have the wrong Makefile, and the error messages suggest that it was intended for use with GNU make. >> Can anyone offer a suggestion as to how to proceed? I'd really >> like to know about the thought process involved, so I can fix >> problems like this in the future on my own. That's a tough one to start with. But I'd guess that something went wrong in CVSupping. It's difficult to say what, of course. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 19:30:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF2A14BB8 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA52234 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199909250230.MAA52234@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 24 23:28:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAE614D14 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc486@aol.com) Received: from Smc486@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id nSVK0KDvAd (3978) for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:28:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc486@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:28:09 EDT Subject: Quake 3 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone gotten Quake 3 Linux version running under FreeBSD? Thanks Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 25 0:40:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop2.tky.3web.ne.jp (pop2.tky.3web.ne.jp [202.235.209.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA6F155BD for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from info@hypno-college.com) Received: from mx2.tky2.3web.ne.jp (tkyd017.tky.3web.ne.jp [202.235.213.17]) by pop2.tky.3web.ne.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.7W-99073118) with SMTP id QAA21390 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:40:27 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:40:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199909250740.QAA21390@pop2.tky.3web.ne.jp> From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B??= To: =?ISO-2022-JP?B??= X-Mailer: Direct Email v0.22 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCM1okNyQvM1gkWSRrOkVMMj1ROVY6Qj5SMnAkNyReJDkbKEI=?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 催眠術講習会のお知らせ 突然のメール大変失礼いたします。ご不要の場合は、お手数で すが削除してくださるようお願いいたします。 催眠術は自分と他人の肉体と精神をコントロールする、すばらしい 特殊技術です。 この技法を正しく習得すれば、長年苦しんだ病気からも解放されま す。また、貴方の思い通りに肉体と精神をコントロールすることが出 来るようになります。商売も恋愛も成功出来るようになります。 私共の創始者である中杉弘博士は弱かった体を強くされ、この催眠術 を完成されて数社の経営をなされ現在では１日２０００万円の収入を 得ています。 病気で苦しんでいる方、 商売で苦しんでいる方、 人間関係で悩んでいる方、 ぜひこの講習会を受講されるようお薦めします。。 ホームページ http://www.hypno-college.com/ 詳しい資料ご希望の方はメールで連絡下さい。 広報係/ 井上　美紀 e-mail: info@hypno-college.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 25 2:55:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rhubarb.fwi.com (rhubarb.fwi.com [209.84.175.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AE914E81 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peeter@rhubarb.fwi.com) Received: (from peeter@localhost) by rhubarb.fwi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA00877 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:46:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from peeter) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: Peeter Pirn Message-Id: <199909250946.EAA00877@rhubarb.fwi.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: where is Tcl 8.0.5 source? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am unable to find the Tcl 8.0.5 through the ports list for Tcl80 on the web site. Is the package for Tcl 8.0.5 available elsewhere? Peeter Pirn peeter@rhubarb.fwi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 25 4:32:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A3214CE6 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ifup@yifan.net) Received: from NCHM05A9.RMT.UTK.EDU (marvin@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10217; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NCHM05A9.RMT.UTK.EDU (128.169.250.137 -> NCHM05A9.RMT.UTK.EDU) by CS.UTK.EDU (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:31:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: ifup X-Sender: ifup@rg.dhis.org To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: after install freebsd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I've installed freebsd. The time taken was a little longer than I setup rh-linux. However it's not bad. Here's what've done: 1. using partition magic to delete a partition and let freebsd to create its own slices for / and swp in that partition. 2. I've found that boot magic could boot freebsd. However, I found linux could do the job. So, I add several lines in lilo.conf and it works: linux==>freebsd. There are more thing I need After what I will be all ready to go: 1. does freebsd have its howto site? 2. I have ppp installed, how to activate and disactivate it and configure it? 3. my soundcard is cs4236b, is it supported? Do I need to recompile kernel to let it recognized? How? (dumb question, I run gnome playcd software: do cdrom? no xplaycd either.) Thanks for your attention. Weizhong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 25 7:20: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.globalserve.net (mail6.globalserve.net [209.90.128.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC1914CB5 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 07:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lalala@globalserve.net) Received: from lalala (dialin46.montreal.globalserve.net [209.167.12.46]) by mail6.globalserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16535; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01bf075f$dcc44100$2e0ca7d1@lalala> From: "Martin M" To: "ifup" , References: Subject: Re: after install freebsd Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:11:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OS-Boot Select seems to have no problems booting FreeBSD... It's freeware, and presents a menu at least as nice as System Commander's... I think you can download it in /utils from ftp.freebsd.org, if not just look it up on the internet.... the file is called osbs20b8.exe or osbs20b8.zip. It comes with instructions. It won't actually recognize a fat32 partition (it's old), but will boot windows9x anyways (add the "uknown type" partition to your menu and it works just fine). Sound card: I don't know if your sound card is supported or not (is it sound blaster compatible? (send that question to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org if it isn't.)) but YES, you will have to recompile the kernel to get sound. You'll also want to make a symlink at /dev/cdrom that points to your CD drive to get most cd players to work.... Personally I have had some problems with CD playing software ported from linux (kscd core dumps right after starting); You need to grab a cd player that allows you to specify the device on the command line (like the gnome cd player.. "cd_command -d /dev/cdrom"). As for ppp, if you're using X anyway, why not just stick to kppp or gnome-ppp? I think the command to activate ppp is "pppd", I have no idea how to configure it from the command line but try "man pppd" to read the manual page for that comand. ----- Original Message ----- From: ifup To: Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 7:31 AM Subject: after install freebsd > > hi, > > I've installed freebsd. The time taken was a little longer than I setup > rh-linux. However it's not bad. Here's what've done: > > 1. using partition magic to delete a partition and let freebsd to create > its own slices for / and swp in that partition. > > 2. I've found that boot magic could boot freebsd. However, I found linux > could do the job. So, I add several lines in lilo.conf and it works: > linux==>freebsd. > > There are more thing I need After what I will be all ready to go: > > 1. does freebsd have its howto site? > > 2. I have ppp installed, how to activate and disactivate it and > configure it? > > 3. my soundcard is cs4236b, is it supported? Do I need to recompile > kernel to let it recognized? How? (dumb question, I run gnome playcd > software: do cdrom? no xplaycd either.) > > Thanks for your attention. > > Weizhong > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 25 10:56: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466A414C5A for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc486@aol.com) Received: from Smc486@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id gDDBa03813 (3976); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:55:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc486@aol.com Message-ID: <8b0131e9.251e66ac@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:55:56 EDT Subject: Re: after install freebsd To: ifup@yifan.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 22 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1. Howto site: www.freebsd.org/handbook 2. At a prompt run: ppp 3. cs4236b??? I dont know what sound card that is...Anyways look at the freebsd handbook about setting up a sound card. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 25 19: 4: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nebula.nift.net (DSL73-223.brandx.net [209.55.73.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC66E14EBC for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from druid@eoe-magical.org) Received: from eoe-magical.org ([209.55.73.227]) by nebula.nift.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19067 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:32:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37ED80F8.EF7B3313@eoe-magical.org> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:12:08 -0700 From: Donald X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freebsd Newbies Subject: tar ball the complete drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am running FBSD and want to upgrade the server. Is there a way or an information site on the web that explains in detail how to tarball the complete hard drive and transfer it to a new system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message