From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 30 13: 1:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731B415274; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15933; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:01:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:01:40 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: John Purser Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: @home.com's e-mail problems In-Reply-To: <000301bf6a95$1b984aa0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, John Purser wrote: > > I sent an e-mail expressing my frustration and pointed out that even MS > doesn't use NT for heavy duty e-mail service. I suggested they look into > FreeBSD as a way of upgrading their technology and reliability. > > If they receive this suggestion from enough people they might start > listening. Especially now. Wednesday when I called in the second tier > support person I spoke to told me that the @home e-mail was down for the > entire US and they didn't know why! If they received multiple e-mails > suggesting FreeBSD as an alternative with helpful contacts at Yahoo, Walnut > Creek, or HotMail then we might get another large commercial user to join > the ranks! > > John Purser > This is very surprising considering most of the people I know who work at @home are heavy UNIX users, but then again, most everyone I know is NOC or networking people. Although I can;t see where it would be even close to inconcievable for @home to look at FreeBSD, they are probably using it at some points already. -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 30 14:42: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA1314FE8 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from sun15pg2.wam.umd.edu (root@sun15pg2.wam.umd.edu [128.8.73.25]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26275 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sun15pg2.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun15pg2.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12675 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by sun15pg2.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12671 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:41:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun15pg2.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:41:48 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: InformationWeek Proposal, revised Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Below is my final draft of the proposed column for InformationWeek. I have incorporated every change given. Briefly, they are: Wes's split of the development paragraph Chris's plug for DaemonNews (I chose to hype his new site:) Numerous smaller changes in the final paragraph Paragraph on security stolen from www.freebsd.org/security Picked a title, "Serving the World", I want a tee-shirt with this complete with the Daemon holding the Earth Bugs introduced by the above Check it out, send me some more changes. Otherwise, I'll send this to InformationWeek on Tuesday morning. Jamie Serving the World James Howard howardjp@glue.umd.edu With the recent hype surrounding open source software, an important project has gone unnoticed in the media. This project, FreeBSD, aims to create a rock-solid UNIX clone based on the 4BSD work from the University of California at Berkeley. Begun in 1977 , the BSD tradition of outstanding software design and innovation continues with FreeBSD. Today, FreeBSD supports a wide array of enterprise class components for the Intel x86 and Compaq Alpha architectures and is available at not cost via the Internet or for only $39.95 on CD from Walnut Creek. FreeBSD looks and feels like UNIX offering industry standard tools including a best of breed TCP/IP stack, the standard TCP/IP services, the X Windows System, the Perl scripting language, a C/C++ compiler and related development tools, an NFS client and server, and the customary array of UNIX utilities. The developers aim for POSIX compliance and maintaining compatibility with traditional UNIX environments. FreeBSD has clearly shown its strength as an industrial web server platform. Yahoo! uses FreeBSD to deliver XX million page hits a week, to its customers. Microsoft's Hotmail service uses FreeBSD as the front end to service XX million users. Walnut Creek's FreeBSD powered FTP server, ftp.cdrom.com, serves 750,000 users daily and set an Internet record transferring 1.39 terabytes of data in one day. FreeBSD also supports a wide array of applications software. FreeBSD maintains a database of over 3000 applications which can be optionally installed. This database, called the Ports Collection, contains just enough information that with a simple ``make install'' the application is downloaded, configured, built, and installed without user intervention. The Ports Collection contains applications like the web server Apache, the SQL database PostgreSQL, the web application server PHP, Sun Microsystem's Java Development Kit, Netscape Communicator, and Corel WordPerfect. The Ports Collection also contains traditional UNIX add-ons including Emacs, Tcl/Tk, tcsh, along with modern UNIX additions such as GNOME, KDE, MySQL, and AbiWord. Also included are many tools translated for Chinese, German, Japanese, Korean, Russian, and Vietnamese speakers. And if that is not enough, most UNIX programs available in source form will compile on FreeBSD with little or no modification. To better coordinate information exchange with others in the security community, FreeBSD has a focal point for security related communications: The FreeBSD security officer. The position is actually staffed by a team of dedicated security officers, their main tasks being to send out advisories when there are known security holes and to act on reports of possible security problems with FreeBSD. The Security Officers also communicate with the various CERT and FIRST teams around the world, sharing information about possible vulnerabilities in FreeBSD or utilities commonly used by FreeBSD. The Security Officers are also active members of those organizations. FreeBSD is developed by a group of nearly 200 volunteers who work on an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two separate versions or ``branches'' are developed simultaneously. The FreeBSD-STABLE branch is targeted at end users and professionals. The FreeBSD-CURRENT branch where the leading edge development occurs, and is intended for developers and testers. Important changes made to the CURRENT branch migrate to the STABLE branch after significant testing and review. With over 100 updates, additions, and bug fixes made to the two branches each day, several easy and simple means of keeping a FreeBSD installation updated have been developed, each with a distinct niche. Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches are released via the Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly scheduled releases. FreeBSD consistently meets the needs of large and industrial servers for its users. The enormous number of available applications makes it attractive as a workstation as well. The rapid and stable development of FreeBSD to support new hardware, fix bugs, and improve performance shows no signs of slowing down. At sites like Yahoo! and Hotmail, FreeBSD is serving the world and already meeting your needs. For more information about FreeBSD or to download it for free, point your web browser to http://www.freebsd.org. For a listing of FreeBSD resources on the web, please visit http://search.daemonnews.org. -- Jamie Howard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 30 22:38:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (bitmcnit.bryansk.ru [195.239.213.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DC6152DD for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id JAA26761; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:14:33 +0300 Received: (from alex@localhost) by kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01466; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:14:05 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from alex) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:14:04 +0300 From: Alex Kapranoff To: James Howard , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: InformationWeek Proposal, revised Message-ID: <20000131091404.A852@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from howardjp@wam.umd.edu on Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 05:41:48PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 05:41:48PM -0500, James Howard wrote: > Below is my final draft of the proposed column for InformationWeek. I > have incorporated every change given. Briefly, they are: > > Wes's split of the development paragraph > Chris's plug for DaemonNews (I chose to hype his new site:) > Numerous smaller changes in the final paragraph > Paragraph on security stolen from www.freebsd.org/security > Picked a title, "Serving the World", I want a tee-shirt with this > complete with the Daemon holding the Earth > Bugs introduced by the above > > Check it out, send me some more changes. Otherwise, I'll send this to > InformationWeek on Tuesday morning. > I think it would be good to mention that FreeBSD is very good at running linux binaries (or closed-source apps, whatever fits) via its linuxolator (sounds bad for this type of article, but emulator sounds as if it slows ever'thing down, so this needs polishing). I heard that some well-known UK ISP is running linux quake-servers on FreeBSD as it does increase stability. Unfortunately I don't remember the name :( freebsd-advocacy archives should do. This can finish the paragraph: "So the range of FreeBSD software even widens with those commercial applications which are sold(?) for Linux but work even better on FreeBSD". > Serving the World > > James Howard [skip] > FreeBSD also supports a wide array of applications software. FreeBSD > maintains a database of over 3000 applications which can be optionally > installed. This database, called the Ports Collection, contains just > enough information that with a simple ``make install'' the application > is downloaded, configured, built, and installed without user intervention. > The Ports Collection contains applications like the web server Apache, > the SQL database PostgreSQL, the web application server PHP, Sun Microsystem's > Java Development Kit, Netscape Communicator, and Corel WordPerfect. > The Ports Collection also contains traditional UNIX add-ons including > Emacs, Tcl/Tk, tcsh, along with modern UNIX additions such as GNOME, > KDE, MySQL, and AbiWord. Also included are many tools translated for > Chinese, German, Japanese, Korean, Russian, and Vietnamese speakers. > And if that is not enough, most UNIX programs available in source > form will compile on FreeBSD with little or no modification. It should go over here. > To better coordinate information exchange with others in the security [skip] -- Alex Kapranoff, 2:50/383.20@fidonet, Voice: +7(0832)791845. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 31 4:17:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DB614F5C; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 04:17:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20334; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:17:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Don Wilde Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMN kicks Augustin's butt. In-Reply-To: <3892148D.7D37AF02@thuntek.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG actually Adam was not the CEO, but Director of Systems. he's 3 steps down form the CEO, but still, he makes all the decisions on where we buy machines from =) -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Don Wilde wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 07:14:47AM -0700, Don Wilde wrote: > > > What a mess /. is, though. I stay away from it because of all the crap > > > you wade through. > > > > With my @slashdot.org hat on, any suggestions people have for improving > > this would be welcome. It's somewhat disheartening to post BSD stories, > > and get nothing but Natalie Portman comments for hours afterwards. > > > > There are a few vocal BSD proponents on Slashdot. Wes pops up > > occasionally, as do people like Dom Mitchell, and others. We need more. > > I'd really like to see more people posting solid, technical replies, > > and not just an endless round "BSD sux" "Does not" "Does too", which it > > often descends to. > > > Unfortunately it's a lot like the government: what you get is at the > level of the readers. I doubt the other editors like it any more than > you do, but /. readership -- the ones who have time to read and post -- > aren't likely to be of a caliber such that anybody'd pay them to code > anything, so it's unlikely to change. > > As far as improving /., I think your time would be better spent > improving the content on daily.dn, Nik... After dealing with NMLUG's > user base, I have to say that the generic linuxhead is either a 'kewl > kid' or a corporate dork whose bread is buttered by Linux (f.e. VA, > RedHat, SGI, etc.) Linux is a cult and we have to accept that there is > no logic to their choice. Period. If Linuxen had sense, they'd rip out > the Linux kernel, drop in BSD, and hire our core team. > > I am really glad to see your CEO at StarMedia step in and give VA a dose > of napalm, Pat. THIS is what we need more of. You'll notice that the > infantile posts STOPPED after that. :-))) > -- > Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" > ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== > PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 > Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Silver-Lynx.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 31 4:57:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [193.82.145.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072C014FDF for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 04:57:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@tyne.sophos.com) Received: from tyne.sophos.com (tyne.sophos.com [193.82.145.132]) by viking.sophos.com (MAILER-DAEMON) with ESMTP id E72F445C03; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:57:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from tmb@localhost) by tyne.sophos.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05000; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:57:18 GMT (envelope-from tmb) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:57:18 +0000 From: Mark Blackman To: Ilia Chipitsine Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AVP for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000131125718.A4952@sophos.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Ilia Chipitsine on Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 09:56:29PM +0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ilia, Sophos (www.sophos.com) has provided mature FreeBSD anti-virus support since about Jan. 1999. We also use FreeBSD on all of our operational Unix systems including the web server. Mark Blackman On Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 09:56:29PM +0500, Ilia Chipitsine wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hi, > > I found that there's a good AntiViral program exists for FreeBSD. > It would be a good advocating, wouldn't it ?! > > I still recall somebody said that Hotmail had a problem because > of FreeBSD (McAfee didn't update AntiViral program for FreeBSD). > > Address is http://www.kasperskylab.ru/eng/products/bsdunix.html > > I hope to see it soon at http://www.freebsd.org @ Announcements ... > > Regards, (????????? ?????????) > > Ilia Chipitsine (???? ???????) > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQB1AwUBOJMbwORxlWKN2EXhAQGwJAL8CDT8mu2D5fBYY7m1myINCnaGhFMMGcI8 > WPBqVQ/nS0KkHnKhAbIMD+H5MlpMF+FkZwQLlnvue0tpt7WmyfPPyx4b+n0HuaPJ > g+BjF7xVTuG/msmCEgFAqP/vEH/hrNgs > =Cm/k > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 31 4:59:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [193.82.145.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D3915045 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 04:59:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@tyne.sophos.com) Received: from tyne.sophos.com (tyne.sophos.com [193.82.145.132]) by viking.sophos.com (MAILER-DAEMON) with ESMTP id 0FEF345C03; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from tmb@localhost) by tyne.sophos.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05006; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:59:11 GMT (envelope-from tmb) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:59:11 +0000 From: Mark Blackman To: Alex Kapranoff Cc: James Howard , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: InformationWeek Proposal, revised Message-ID: <20000131125911.B4952@sophos.com> References: <20000131091404.A852@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <20000131091404.A852@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su>; from Alex Kapranoff on Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 09:14:04AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG although I've not got any text to submit, you might consider mentioning {Net,Open}BSD. Mark Blackman On Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 09:14:04AM +0300, Alex Kapranoff wrote: > On Sun, Jan 30, 2000 at 05:41:48PM -0500, James Howard wrote: > > Below is my final draft of the proposed column for InformationWeek. I > > have incorporated every change given. Briefly, they are: > > > > Wes's split of the development paragraph > > Chris's plug for DaemonNews (I chose to hype his new site:) > > Numerous smaller changes in the final paragraph > > Paragraph on security stolen from www.freebsd.org/security > > Picked a title, "Serving the World", I want a tee-shirt with this > > complete with the Daemon holding the Earth > > Bugs introduced by the above > > > > Check it out, send me some more changes. Otherwise, I'll send this to > > InformationWeek on Tuesday morning. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 31 5:23:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B5B14FDA for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 05:23:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02775; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 05:48:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 05:48:41 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Mark Blackman Cc: Ilia Chipitsine , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AVP for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000131054840.Y13027@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000131125718.A4952@sophos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000131125718.A4952@sophos.com>; from tmb@sophos.com on Mon, Jan 31, 2000 at 12:57:18PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Mark Blackman [000131 05:23] wrote: > Ilia, > > Sophos (www.sophos.com) has provided mature FreeBSD anti-virus support > since about Jan. 1999. We also use FreeBSD on all of our operational > Unix systems including the web server. And why aren't you listed on the vendor's list? :) http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software_bycat.html -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 31 6: 2:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [193.82.145.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F0315000 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 06:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@sophos.com) Received: from tyne.sophos.com (tyne.sophos.com [193.82.145.132]) by viking.sophos.com (MAILER-DAEMON) with ESMTP id AD14A45C05; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:02:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sophos.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tyne.sophos.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05394; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:02:49 GMT (envelope-from tmb@sophos.com) Message-Id: <200001311402.OAA05394@tyne.sophos.com> To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Ilia Chipitsine , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AVP for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message from Alfred Perlstein of "Mon, 31 Jan 2000 05:48:41 PST." <20000131054840.Y13027@fw.wintelcom.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:02:49 +0000 From: Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Its been on my "must get around to that" list for about 3 months. :) Mark > * Mark Blackman [000131 05:23] wrote: > > Ilia, > > > > Sophos (www.sophos.com) has provided mature FreeBSD anti-virus support > > since about Jan. 1999. We also use FreeBSD on all of our operational > > Unix systems including the web server. > > And why aren't you listed on the vendor's list? :) > > http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/software_bycat.html > > -Alfred > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 31 7:19:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910CC14D73 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:19:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from sun17pg2.wam.umd.edu (root@sun17pg2.wam.umd.edu [128.8.73.27]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23974; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sun17pg2.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun17pg2.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24505; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by sun17pg2.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24501; Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:17:09 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: sun17pg2.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:17:09 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Alex Kapranoff Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: InformationWeek Proposal, revised In-Reply-To: <20000131091404.A852@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Alex Kapranoff wrote: > I think it would be good to mention that FreeBSD is very good at running linux > binaries (or closed-source apps, whatever fits) via its linuxolator (sounds bad > for this type of article, but emulator sounds as if it slows ever'thing down, > so this needs polishing). I heard that some well-known UK ISP is running linux > quake-servers on FreeBSD as it does increase stability. Unfortunately I don't > remember the name :( freebsd-advocacy archives should do. > > This can finish the paragraph: > "So the range of FreeBSD software even widens with those commercial > applications which are sold(?) for Linux but work even better on FreeBSD". I almost added this orginally (nearly word for word) but stopped. Nowhere else is the evil "L" word used :) I am hoping to make FreeBSD stand on its own. Besides, we all know what advertising emulation did to OS/2. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 5:53: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bbcon.com.au (firewall.bbcon.com.au [203.28.19.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9661137B738 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:52:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from firewall.bbcon.com.au (stargate [10.0.0.1]) by bbcon.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA40311 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:52:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by firewall.bbcon.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA40707 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:52:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:52:41 +1100 (EST) From: Joel Sutton X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Users of Applixware Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, Does anyone have any ideas on how how popular Applixware for FreeBSD has been? I know I'm very happy with it, but no one in VicFUG (at least) seems to be using it. Thanks, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 9:41: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1769837B7DE for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:41:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07272; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Joel Sutton Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of Applixware In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Feb 2000 00:52:41 +1100." Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:40:51 -0800 Message-ID: <7269.950809251@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We've sold a lot more copies than I certainly expected to. Does that help? :) - Jordan > Hi there, > > Does anyone have any ideas on how how popular Applixware for FreeBSD has > been? I know I'm very happy with it, but no one in VicFUG (at least) seems > to be using it. > > Thanks, Joel... > > --- > Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting > Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia > Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ > VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ > FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 9:52:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC8D37B546 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:52:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-120.thuntek.net [207.66.52.120]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04592; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Message-ID: <38AC361A.FF5E6D25@thuntek.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:55:38 -0700 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Silver Lynx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of Applixware References: <7269.950809251@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > We've sold a lot more copies than I certainly expected to. Does that > help? :) > > - Jordan Only if you'd give us an idea of where your expectations were? ;-) Are we talking 'thousands' or 'tens of thousands'... or 'dozens'? -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Silver-Lynx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 13:14:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtpf.casema.net (smtpf.casema.net [195.96.96.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E484B37B7F3 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:14:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aernoudt@wanadoo.nl) Received: (qmail 6011 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2000 21:13:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO router) (212.64.81.5) by smtpf.casema.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 21:13:58 -0000 Message-ID: <001501bf798b$dd03ebe0$0100a8c0@router.bottemanne.nl> From: "Aernoudt Bottemanne" To: "Joel Sutton" , Subject: Re: Users of Applixware Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:13:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, >Hi there, > >Does anyone have any ideas on how how popular Applixware for FreeBSD has >been? I know I'm very happy with it, but no one in VicFUG (at least) seems >to be using it. In the Netherlands there are 2 users: Guido and me (as far as I know of) ..... I have not heard Guido complain about it, neither do I ! > >Thanks, Joel... > You're welcome ! >--- >Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting >Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia >Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ >VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ >FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ > Aernoudt treasurer of the Ditch FreeBSD User Group http://www.nlfug.nl > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 16:56:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2C937B672 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:56:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1C435196; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:56:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:56:18 -0800 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Users of Applixware Message-ID: <20000217165618.B23916@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson References: <001501bf798b$dd03ebe0$0100a8c0@router.bottemanne.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <001501bf798b$dd03ebe0$0100a8c0@router.bottemanne.nl>; from aernoudt@wanadoo.nl on Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 10:13:39PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.4-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 4:55PM up 8 days, 22 mins, 1 user, load averages: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like mine.. It does what I want it to do.. Just got the time to get the data portion to access my mysql server. TTYL On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Aernoudt Bottemanne was heard blurting out: > Hi, > > > >Hi there, > > > >Does anyone have any ideas on how how popular Applixware for FreeBSD has > >been? I know I'm very happy with it, but no one in VicFUG (at least) seems > >to be using it. > > > In the Netherlands there are 2 users: Guido and me (as far as I know of) > ..... > I have not heard Guido complain about it, neither do I ! > > > > >Thanks, Joel... > > > > You're welcome ! > > >--- > >Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting > >Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia > >Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ > >VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ > >FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ > > > > > > Aernoudt > treasurer of the Ditch FreeBSD User Group > http://www.nlfug.nl > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------- Why is it that when we talk to God we're said to be praying, but when God talks to us we're schizophrenic? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 16:58:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bbcon.com.au (firewall.bbcon.com.au [203.28.19.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA30937B87F for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:58:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from firewall.bbcon.com.au (stargate [10.0.0.1]) by bbcon.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA41106; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:58:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by firewall.bbcon.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA54729; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:58:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:58:35 +1100 (EST) From: Joel Sutton X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Don Wilde , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of Applixware In-Reply-To: <38AC361A.FF5E6D25@thuntek.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan, On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Don Wilde wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > > We've sold a lot more copies than I certainly expected to. Does that > > help? :) > > > > - Jordan > > Only if you'd give us an idea of where your expectations were? ;-) Are > we talking 'thousands' or 'tens of thousands'... or 'dozens'? Agreed. If you've only sold five copies, and Applix is thinking of dropping the idea, then I won't start ear bashing the VicFUG members about how good it is. Is there any chance that I (or should the be we?) could get some support for promoting Applixware? I'm not expecting a truck load of CD's :-) But a copy, or two, to give away as a door prize at a user group meeting might be good. Or some glossy flyers??? Something like that anyway - just a few ideas. Thanks, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 17: 8: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C6A37B8B2 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:08:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02119; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:07:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Joel Sutton Cc: Don Wilde , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of Applixware In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:58:35 +1100." Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:07:48 -0800 Message-ID: <2116.950836068@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I dunno about free Applixware guys - that's something we actually have to pay hefty per-unit costs for. :( - Jordan > Jordan, > > On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Don Wilde wrote: > > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > > > > We've sold a lot more copies than I certainly expected to. Does that > > > help? :) > > > > > > - Jordan > > > > Only if you'd give us an idea of where your expectations were? ;-) Are > > we talking 'thousands' or 'tens of thousands'... or 'dozens'? > > Agreed. > > If you've only sold five copies, and Applix is thinking of dropping the > idea, then I won't start ear bashing the VicFUG members about how good it > is. > > Is there any chance that I (or should the be we?) could get some support > for promoting Applixware? I'm not expecting a truck load of CD's :-) But a > copy, or two, to give away as a door prize at a user group meeting might > be good. Or some glossy flyers??? Something like that anyway - just a few > ideas. > > Thanks, Joel... > > --- > Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting > Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia > Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ > VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ > FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 19:53:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bbcon.com.au (firewall.bbcon.com.au [203.28.19.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899DA37B628 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:53:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from firewall.bbcon.com.au (stargate [10.0.0.1]) by bbcon.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA41431; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:53:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by firewall.bbcon.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA55454; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:53:31 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:53:31 +1100 (EST) From: Joel Sutton X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [ADV] Re: Users of Applixware In-Reply-To: <2116.950836068@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan, On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I dunno about free Applixware guys - that's something we > actually have to pay hefty per-unit costs for. :( That's fair enough. I wouldn't want divert funds away from FreeBSD. Is there any chance the the Applix guys would consider helping us out? I suspect that this doesn't fit in as a normal Applix product as I can't find mention of it on the web site (except for a press release). One thing that I'd like to suggest would be to have an Applix "person" go out to user group meetings and give a Applixware demo/presentation or something. This works very successfully for the local NetWare user group. It's probably not much good for us here in Australia but it may work for other user groups. Thanks, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 17 21:33:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bishopston.net (h139-142-235-83.cg.fiberone.net [139.142.235.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CFB37B984 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:33:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@bishopston.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by bishopston.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA55268; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 05:33:17 GMT (envelope-from jamie) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 05:33:17 GMT From: Jamie Jones Message-Id: <200002180533.FAA55268@bishopston.net> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, aernoudt@wanadoo.nl, jsutton@bbcon.com.au Subject: Re: Users of Applixware Cc: jamie@bishopston.net In-Reply-To: <001501bf798b$dd03ebe0$0100a8c0@router.bottemanne.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Aernoudt > treasurer of the Ditch FreeBSD User Group > http://www.nlfug.nl Most unfortunate typo, Aernoudt... Or are you really treasurer of a usergroup dedicated to getting rid of FreeBSD ? ! :-) Cheers, Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 18 7:24:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A595C37B99B for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:24:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08603 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:24:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200002181524.KAA08603@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Request for Article Review To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:24:47 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [apologies for cross-posting, but -advocacy has the interest and -security has the expertise... followups to me, please.] I've written another article for Sys Admin on "Building a FreeBSD firewall." I would appreciate any technical review people would care to give before I submit it. The disclaimer: This article is about twice as long as my usual, and I had half the usual time to write it in. While I don't *think* I've missed anything, increasing writing speed 400% can't be good. The article covers: Hardening your FreeBSD install IPFilter (ipfw changed to be stateful in 4.0, so I chose ipf; it's basically identical across 3.x and 4.x) service redirection and transparent proxies application proxies Thanks, Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 18 7:50:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB8237B926; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 07:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08744; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:50:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200002181550.KAA08744@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: followup to article review request To: advocacy@freebsd.org, security@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:50:29 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, I forgot to mention this: If you'd like a copy to review, please email me. Magazine publishers frown on distributing pre-publication articles on the Net. ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 18 10:21: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C9837B803 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09557 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:20:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200002181820.NAA09557@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Linux Business Expo Chicago To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:20:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, much to my surprise I see that FreeBSD is going to have a booth at the Linux Business Expo this April (http://www.bsdcon.com/info/tradeshows/index.phtml). While I was hoping to find some info on BSDCon 00, this will do. Anyone on the list going to be there? If I delay my Chicago trip for a week, can I meet some of you folks face-to-face? Regards, Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 18 12: 1:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3C237B9D9 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:01:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 393B829B; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:01:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:01:23 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Michael Lucas Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux Business Expo Chicago Message-ID: <20000218120123.A403@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: <200002181820.NAA09557@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i In-Reply-To: <200002181820.NAA09557@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Fri, Feb 18, 2000 at 01:20:55PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 at 13:20:55 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > Well, much to my surprise I see that FreeBSD is going to have a booth > at the Linux Business Expo this April Why the surprise? We were at the one in Nov. in Vegas too.. and have been doing COMDEX (which is what the LBE really is, they just needed a name to call the 'non-Microsoft' people so they could shove us all into a corner of a building by ourselves) for a while now :-) > (http://www.bsdcon.com/info/tradeshows/index.phtml). While I was > hoping to find some info on BSDCon 00, this will do. I'm working on the site.. it'll be at http://www.bsdcon.org/ when it's finished.. it's currently at http://www.freebsdcon.org/. > Anyone on the list going to be there? If I delay my Chicago trip for > a week, can I meet some of you folks face-to-face? Swing by the FreeBSD booth :-) - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 18 12:25:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D40837B8AC for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.198.63]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA13F3; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:25:35 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA78489; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:44:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:44:58 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Aernoudt Bottemanne Cc: Joel Sutton , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of Applixware Message-ID: <20000218204458.G79323@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <001501bf798b$dd03ebe0$0100a8c0@router.bottemanne.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <001501bf798b$dd03ebe0$0100a8c0@router.bottemanne.nl>; from aernoudt@wanadoo.nl on Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 10:13:39PM +0100 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000217 22:26], Aernoudt Bottemanne (aernoudt@wanadoo.nl) wrote: >>Does anyone have any ideas on how how popular Applixware for FreeBSD has >>been? I know I'm very happy with it, but no one in VicFUG (at least) seems >>to be using it. > > >In the Netherlands there are 2 users: Guido and me (as far as I know of) >..... Make that four. A colleague and me. >I have not heard Guido complain about it, neither do I ! No complaints. Just slightly curious how the support is done. And I don't mean user support as in FAQs and such but as in patches. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/B-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Religion... Is the opium of the people... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 19 10:26:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sm0101.promedia.net (sm0101.promedia.net [208.131.40.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61A337BA81 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:26:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cybertronix@softcom.net) Received: from softcom.net (ppp-208-171-196-239.01.promedia.net [208.171.196.239]) by sm0101.promedia.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03112; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:26:07 -0800 Message-ID: <38AEE03B.9A52E271@softcom.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:26:03 -0800 From: "Jonathan H. Ballard" Organization: Cybertronix X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: CDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan, I noticed with that Informix post you noted how you have related movement in the CD area. How would a music company or artist transfer music to the CD ROM point Com site for distribution? -- cybertronix@softcom.net jon.ballard@usa.net http://www.softcom.net/users/cybertronix Save a Tree ~ Know how Too 8D CopyRight Ballard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message