From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 21 7:11:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [206.24.105.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479E437BE63 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:11:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by krell.webweaver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A0A20F04; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 06:24:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Length: 2343 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000218120123.A403@luna.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Nicole Harrington." To: Jim Mock Subject: Re: Linux Business Expo Chicago Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Lucas Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Jim I noticed that there is a pictures area and I failed to send you mine :( Please feel free to add a link to my pictures (which I will have web paged soon) Also I love Guido's picture of my Tat. First good picture of it I have seen! http://www.daemontech.com/freebsdcon1/ Ta Nicole On 18-Feb-00 Jim Mock wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 at 13:20:55 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: >> Well, much to my surprise I see that FreeBSD is going to have a booth >> at the Linux Business Expo this April > > Why the surprise? We were at the one in Nov. in Vegas too.. and have > been doing COMDEX (which is what the LBE really is, they just needed a > name to call the 'non-Microsoft' people so they could shove us all into > a corner of a building by ourselves) for a while now :-) > >> (http://www.bsdcon.com/info/tradeshows/index.phtml). While I was >> hoping to find some info on BSDCon 00, this will do. > > I'm working on the site.. it'll be at http://www.bsdcon.org/ when it's > finished.. it's currently at http://www.freebsdcon.org/. > >> Anyone on the list going to be there? If I delay my Chicago trip for >> a week, can I meet some of you folks face-to-face? > > Swing by the FreeBSD booth :-) > > - jim > > -- > - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - > - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message nicole@unixgirl.com |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ // \\ ---------------------------(((---(((----------------------------------------- -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- -- Stong enough for a man - But made for a Woman -- -- Microsoft: What bug would you like today? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. -- OWNED? MS: Who's Been In Your Computer Today? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 21 8:42:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268B937B5D4 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Received: from wildrock (207-229-172-210.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.210]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22132; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:42:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) From: "Chris Silva" To: "Nicole Harrington." , "Jim Mock" Cc: , "Michael Lucas" Subject: RE: Linux Business Expo Chicago Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:42:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When is this? and where in Chicago? I may just have to go > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Nicole > Harrington. > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 9:11 AM > To: Jim Mock > Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Michael Lucas > Subject: Re: Linux Business Expo Chicago > > > > Hi Jim > I noticed that there is a pictures area and I failed to send you mine :( > Please feel free to add a link to my pictures (which I will have > web paged > soon) > Also I love Guido's picture of my Tat. First good picture of it > I have seen! > > http://www.daemontech.com/freebsdcon1/ > > > Ta > > Nicole > > > > On 18-Feb-00 Jim Mock wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 at 13:20:55 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > >> Well, much to my surprise I see that FreeBSD is going to have a booth > >> at the Linux Business Expo this April > > > > Why the surprise? We were at the one in Nov. in Vegas too.. and have > > been doing COMDEX (which is what the LBE really is, they just needed a > > name to call the 'non-Microsoft' people so they could shove us all into > > a corner of a building by ourselves) for a while now :-) > > > >> (http://www.bsdcon.com/info/tradeshows/index.phtml). While I was > >> hoping to find some info on BSDCon 00, this will do. > > > > I'm working on the site.. it'll be at http://www.bsdcon.org/ when it's > > finished.. it's currently at http://www.freebsdcon.org/. > > > >> Anyone on the list going to be there? If I delay my Chicago trip for > >> a week, can I meet some of you folks face-to-face? > > > > Swing by the FreeBSD booth :-) > > > > - jim > > > > -- > > - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - > > - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > nicole@unixgirl.com |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ > webmistress@dangermouse.org | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ > // \\ > ---------------------------(((---(((------------------------------ > ----------- > > -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- > -- Stong enough for a man - But made for a Woman -- > -- Microsoft: What bug would you like today? -- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > -- As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical > for me to > advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal > amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. > > -- OWNED? MS: Who's Been In Your Computer Today? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBOLFrBIYwDkcZSgMYEQLuyACgtKRwfNKYeriVvKQHlsjXqXpxmo4AoL6r DZPfIPIvBJ2nL1Thik7oHc4w =AFO3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 21 22:58: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F109C37B5F0 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:57:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA73243; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:57:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:57:39 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users of Applixware Message-ID: <20000221225739.B73099@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <001501bf798b$dd03ebe0$0100a8c0@router.bottemanne.nl> <20000217165618.B23916@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000217165618.B23916@lunatic.oneinsane.net>; from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net on Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 04:56:18PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 04:56:18PM -0800, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > I like mine.. It does what I want it to do.. Just got the time to get > the data portion to access my mysql server. Not to get off the subject, I love Applix!, but how did you get Applix to talk to a MySQL server? Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.4 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 22 3:32:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bbcon.com.au (firewall.bbcon.com.au [203.28.19.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF8537B566 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 03:32:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from firewall.bbcon.com.au (stargate [10.0.0.1]) by bbcon.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA48803; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:32:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by firewall.bbcon.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA83512; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:32:42 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:32:42 +1100 (EST) From: Joel Sutton X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home To: Josef Grosch Cc: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [ADV] Re: Users of Applixware In-Reply-To: <20000221225739.B73099@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Josef Grosch wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 04:56:18PM -0800, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > > I like mine.. It does what I want it to do.. Just got the time to get > > the data portion to access my mysql server. > > Not to get off the subject, I love Applix!, but how did you get Applix to > talk to a MySQL server? Maybe that's something that the Applix guy's "should" have put into the FreeBSD port? Pre-configured MySQL and PostgreSQL database drivers. Anyone know who I can send an email suggestion to? Thanks, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 22 10:25:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8E637B6ED; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:25:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.198.60]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAAA1B; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:25:52 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA99506; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:25:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:25:10 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Nicole Harrington." Cc: Jim Mock , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, guido@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux Business Expo Chicago Message-ID: <20000222192510.L79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20000218120123.A403@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from nicole@unixgirl.com on Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 07:11:11AM -0800 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000221 18:23], Nicole Harrington. (nicole@unixgirl.com) wrote: > > Also I love Guido's picture of my Tat. First good picture of it I have seen! After seeing the picture I have to say he must've been REEEEEAAAAAL close. ;)) *grin* *sees Guido preparing an ambush on the 4th* -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/B-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Religion... Is the opium of the people... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 22 10:32:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from gvr.gvr.org (gvr.gvr.org [194.151.74.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E0637B73D for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:32:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guido@gvr.org) Received: by gvr.gvr.org (Postfix, from userid 657) id 3AFC1A85C; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:32:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:32:05 +0100 From: Guido van Rooij To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: "Nicole Harrington." , Jim Mock , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux Business Expo Chicago Message-ID: <20000222193205.A43330@gvr.gvr.org> References: <20000218120123.A403@luna.cdrom.com> <20000222192510.L79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <20000222192510.L79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 07:25:10PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 07:25:10PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > -On [20000221 18:23], Nicole Harrington. (nicole@unixgirl.com) wrote: > > > > Also I love Guido's picture of my Tat. First good picture of it I have seen! Thanks ;-) You're welcome. If you like a 'real' copy, say so! > > After seeing the picture I have to say he must've been REEEEEAAAAAL > close. ;)) I guess it was in appropriate to take pictures of the other tattoos ;-)) -Guido To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 22 11:29:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (taxismtp2.alchemy.net [208.232.0.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F30937B766; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:29:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gummibear@nettaxi.com) Received: from DSL100120 (DSL100-120.brandx.net [209.55.100.120]) by taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15152; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:21:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000901bf7d6c$29069360$786437d1@BRANDX.NET> From: "Joey Garcia" To: , Subject: FreeBSD 3.4 Reviewed on 32bitsonline.com Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:36:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is pretty much old news, but for those of you that haven't heard there was an article on 32bitsonline.com about FreeBSD 3.4. It was a very favorable article. The reason why I'm mentioning this again is because the few comments generated about this article on their "posts" section toward the end of the article. Currently there are six postings. Pretty sad when you compare it to articles written about Linux which receive tons of favorable comments from Linux users. I was hoping to generate the same kind of response from the BSD community. It's not always that BSD gets mentioned in the press (even if it's an online magazine) and perhaps we should promote, show our appreciation, and speak favorably about our beloved OS. The Linux community tend to be very outspoken about their OS (sometimes that can be a bad thing), which generates alot of interest from new users, media, and the press. That's the one thing that they have over us. Perhaps in the future that will change. So if you're interested, take a couple of minutes and let people know that BSD is everything that author made it out tobe and much much more. Thanks for listening. Joey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 22 11:43:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52FB37B75B for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2850322A; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:43:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:43:25 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Chris Silva Cc: "Nicole Harrington." , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Lucas Subject: Re: Linux Business Expo Chicago Message-ID: <20000222114325.B11182@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i In-Reply-To: ; from bitsurfr@enteract.com on Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 10:42:45AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 at 10:42:45 -0600, Chris Silva wrote: > When is this? April 17-20.. see http://www.comdex.com/, and more specifically, http://www.zdevents.com/linuxbizexpo/spring2000/. > and where in Chicago? McCormick Place (at least according to the web site). > I may just have to go Swing by the FreeBSD booth and visit us if you do :-) - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 22 18:20: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F69537B84D for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Received: from wildrock (207-229-172-61.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.61]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA07609; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:19:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) From: "Chris Silva" To: Cc: "Nicole Harrington." , , "Michael Lucas" Subject: RE: Linux Business Expo Chicago Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 20:20:29 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000222114325.B11182@luna.cdrom.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jim Mock > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 1:43 PM > To: Chris Silva > Cc: Nicole Harrington.; advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Michael Lucas > Subject: Re: Linux Business Expo Chicago > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 at 10:42:45 -0600, Chris Silva wrote: > > When is this? > > April 17-20.. see http://www.comdex.com/, and more specifically, > http://www.zdevents.com/linuxbizexpo/spring2000/. > > > and where in Chicago? > > McCormick Place (at least according to the web site). > > > I may just have to go > > Swing by the FreeBSD booth and visit us if you do :-) > > - jim I'm there! I'm a few miles from Mac-Place, no big deal ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBOLND7IYwDkcZSgMYEQIQAwCdF+GIbG2ihXIoyaRLqKH2ex9r+EMAmwcS tlWxWdUw0/A0UPDnKTuSHgUU =lYlh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 22 22:16:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C2137B786; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:16:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id WAA08146; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id WAA03100; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:15:34 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id WAA20839; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:15:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B37CAF.6CE21B19@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:22:39 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joey Garcia Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org, core@deamonnews.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 3.4 Reviewed on 32bitsonline.com References: <000901bf7d6c$29069360$786437d1@BRANDX.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joey Garcia wrote: > > This is pretty much old news, but for those of you that haven't heard there > was an article on 32bitsonline.com about FreeBSD 3.4. It was a very > favorable article. > > The reason why I'm mentioning this again is because the few comments > generated about this article on their "posts" section toward the end of the > article. Currently there are six postings. Pretty sad when you compare it > to articles written about Linux which receive tons of favorable comments > from Linux users. Did you post a link to the article on daily.daemonnews.org? That's probably the BEST way to get word out. If you're not reading it daily, you're not up to date on BSD. Gee, that sounds like a pretty good tag line, doesn't it? ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 24 18: 7:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E104037BD5C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:07:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06405 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:06:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAANKaGym; Thu Feb 24 19:06:24 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10238 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:06:46 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200002250206.TAA10238@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: FreeBSD "in" San Jose Mercury News To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:06:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On the back page of Wednesday's section C (the business section), there is a Fry's ad. for FreeBSD 3.4. It's stuck in among the Linux ad.s, but next to a MetroX ad. claiming to work on both Linux and FreeBSD. The Linux ad.s all have little penguins, and the FreeBSD ad. has "Used by Yahoo!". 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 24 18:41:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885A337BC54 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:41:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13400 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:40:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAYfaOhA; Thu Feb 24 19:40:46 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11620 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:41:00 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200002250241.TAA11620@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: FreeBSD mention in "The Register" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:41:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD was mentioned as the basis for the Mac OS X: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000224-000014.html near the bottom: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MacOS X's FreeBSD microkernel-based architecture makes it an ideal basis for a high-stable (if hi-fis and VCRs don't crash, neither can consumer electronics Net appliances) yet compact (store it in Flash RAM) appliance OS. Just add a cut-back Mac GUI and you're away. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maybe they are calling FreeBSD a microkernel after seen the size of a Windows 2000 "minumal installation"? 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 24 21:18: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904FC37C297 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:17:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (200yearstoolate@homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08825; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:17:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38B61229.D311624B@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:24:57 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in "The Register" References: <200002250241.TAA11620@usr02.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > FreeBSD was mentioned as the basis for the Mac OS X: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/000224-000014.html > > near the bottom: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MacOS X's FreeBSD microkernel-based architecture makes it an ideal > basis for a high-stable (if hi-fis and VCRs don't crash, neither can > consumer electronics Net appliances) yet compact (store it in Flash > RAM) appliance OS. Just add a cut-back Mac GUI and you're away. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Maybe they are calling FreeBSD a microkernel after seen the > size of a Windows 2000 "minumal installation"? 8-). Probably. Perhaps I should introduce them to the new interNOT appliance femto kernel: .global _os_entry_point _os_entry_point: hlt Did you daily.daemonnews.org this? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 24 21:19:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from oak.he.net (oak.he.net [216.218.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7243E37BE20 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:19:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from enrico@oak.he.net) Received: (from enrico@localhost) by oak.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) id VAA03779; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:19:16 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:19:16 -0800 From: enrico To: Terry Lambert Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in "The Register" Message-ID: <20000224211916.D15416@benzo.org> References: <200002250241.TAA11620@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <200002250241.TAA11620@usr02.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 02:41:00AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert is rumored to have said: # FreeBSD was mentioned as the basis for the Mac OS X: # # http://www.theregister.co.uk/000224-000014.html # # near the bottom: # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # MacOS X's FreeBSD microkernel-based architecture makes it an ideal # basis for a high-stable (if hi-fis and VCRs don't crash, neither can # consumer electronics Net appliances) yet compact (store it in Flash # RAM) appliance OS. Just add a cut-back Mac GUI and you're away. # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ MacOS X is based on BSD 4.4 (on top of a Mach microkernel), NOT FreeBSD. Same roots, though. :) # Maybe they are calling FreeBSD a microkernel after seen the # size of a Windows 2000 "minumal installation"? 8-). heh. PicoBSD comes to mind by comparison. ;) --ec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Feb 24 22: 5:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D4737BE20 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:05:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (postfix@18-017.008.popsite.net [209.69.77.17]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA49886; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by shadow.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4C0B21902; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:05:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:05:09 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: enrico Cc: Terry Lambert , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in "The Register" Message-ID: <20000225010509.C31107@shadow.blackdawn.com> References: <200002250241.TAA11620@usr02.primenet.com> <20000224211916.D15416@benzo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000224211916.D15416@benzo.org>; from enrico@benzo.org on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 09:19:16PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 09:19:16PM -0800, enrico wrote: > MacOS X is based on BSD 4.4 (on top of a Mach microkernel), NOT > FreeBSD. Same roots, though. :) Wrong. MacOS X is based on both a Mach microkernel and FreeBSD 3.2. Read all about it at http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 25 2:12:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (satan.freebsdsystems.com [216.183.2.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F5E37C29B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lnb@satan.freebsdsystems.com) Received: from localhost (lnb@localhost) by satan.freebsdsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04239 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:13:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lnb@satan.freebsdsystems.com) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:13:09 -0500 (EST) From: Lanny Baron To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I must be really stupid. Who in the corporate world cares if FreeBSD is mentioned in a linux mag or article. As a business person, I look in trade magazines and some computer magazines/papers. I will tell you this. In this months Computer paper (Toronto edition) a 1/4 or just slightly larger add from the University of Toronto, showing 4 versions of Linux at the Bookstore at U of T. That IS what gets people buying. Now Jordan, you told the guy in mail here he should go ahead and get free FreeBSD cd's made. Has anyone seen that Microsoft MAKES money? Not by giving away cdroms for sure. It makes my blood boil to see this nonsense. Jordan, and anyone here connected with The FreeBSD Project, I only want to see the organization succeed in all aspects. But the marketing in my eyes is not good. Sorry for the criticism but that is how I see it. Jordan you know what I am up too. And please dont spread it, but I will tell you the marketing budget for 3 years is at well over 2 million dollars. I hope you dont burn free freebsd cdroms. It looks cheap, and people that WANT quality expect it to cost. In their logical minds, it works something like this. Well, lets see, the system the company sells out performs others like NT and Novell and can keep pace with IBM AS 400's. Hmm..and its free...nah how good can it be? Ahh..they will be out of business and then we're stuck. Red Hat here costs at least $60.00 NT costs about 12 or 13 hundred. I wonder who IS making money. I know who is NOT. Regards, Lanny Baron http://ca.samba.org/samba/samba.html <--- official Canadian mirror http://cybertouch.org <--- my sentimental ISP (which i dont advertise) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 25 2:59:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bbcon.com.au (firewall.bbcon.com.au [203.28.19.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3158937BD7D for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:59:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from firewall.bbcon.com.au (stargate [10.0.0.1]) by bbcon.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA02483; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:59:40 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by firewall.bbcon.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA00418; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:59:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jsutton@bbcon.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:59:41 +1100 (EST) From: Joel Sutton X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home To: Lanny Baron Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [ADV] the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lanny, On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > Now Jordan, you told the guy in mail here he should go ahead and get free > FreeBSD cd's made. Has anyone seen that Microsoft MAKES money? Not by > giving away cdroms for sure. It makes my blood boil to see this nonsense. Yes, Microsoft does make money. And they make a fairly average server operating system as well. > Jordan, and anyone here connected with The FreeBSD Project, I only want to > see the organization succeed in all aspects. Then perhaps you should look at why we all do this "FreeBSD thing". I certainly won't get paid for running our user group meeting tomorrow - so it can't be the money. > I hope you dont burn free freebsd cdroms. It looks cheap, and people that > WANT quality expect it to cost. If I've got my facts straight, there's no way anyone can stop anyone else from doing this. > In their logical minds, it works something like this. Well, lets see, > the system the company sells out performs others like NT and Novell > and can keep pace with IBM AS 400's. Hmm..and its free...nah how good > can it be? Ahh..they will be out of business and then we're stuck. ..and yet our user group (VicFUG) still keeps on growing, with a majority of the members being businesses. A few of them do FreeBSD support too, BTW. > Red Hat here costs at least $60.00 NT costs about 12 or 13 hundred. I > wonder who IS making money. I know who is NOT. Exactly *who* would make money if FreeBSD cost 12 or 13 hundred dollars? Every single one of its contributors? Regards, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@bbcon.com.au | http://www.bbcon.com.au/ VicFUG President/Webmaster | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ FreeBSDzine Editor | http://www.freebsdzine.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 25 7:47:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (hydrant.intranova.net [209.201.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DDF537BCFD for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:47:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 12740 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2000 15:47:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (user57044@127.0.0.1) by hydrant.intranova.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 15:47:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:47:40 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Lanny Baron Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do you understand the definition of a non-profit organization? On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > I must be really stupid. Who in the corporate world cares if FreeBSD is > mentioned in a linux mag or article. As a business person, I look in trade > magazines and some computer magazines/papers. I will tell you this. In > this months Computer paper (Toronto edition) a 1/4 or just slightly larger > add from the University of Toronto, showing 4 versions of Linux at the > Bookstore at U of T. That IS what gets people buying. > > Now Jordan, you told the guy in mail here he should go ahead and get free > FreeBSD cd's made. Has anyone seen that Microsoft MAKES money? Not by > giving away cdroms for sure. It makes my blood boil to see this nonsense. > > Jordan, and anyone here connected with The FreeBSD Project, I only want to > see the organization succeed in all aspects. But the marketing in my eyes > is not good. Sorry for the criticism but that is how I see it. Jordan you > know what I am up too. And please dont spread it, but I will tell you the > marketing budget for 3 years is at well over 2 million dollars. > > I hope you dont burn free freebsd cdroms. It looks cheap, and people that > WANT quality expect it to cost. In their logical minds, it works something > like this. Well, lets see, the system the company sells out performs > others like NT and Novell and can keep pace with IBM AS 400's. Hmm..and > its free...nah how good can it be? Ahh..they will be out of business and > then we're stuck. > > Red Hat here costs at least $60.00 NT costs about 12 or 13 hundred. I > wonder who IS making money. I know who is NOT. > > Regards, > > Lanny Baron > > http://ca.samba.org/samba/samba.html <--- official Canadian mirror > http://cybertouch.org <--- my sentimental ISP (which i dont advertise) > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 25 8:33:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from oak.he.net (oak.he.net [216.218.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AD737BD69 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from enrico@oak.he.net) Received: (from enrico@localhost) by oak.he.net (8.8.6/8.8.2) id GAA19577; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:35:00 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:35:00 -0800 From: enrico To: Will Andrews Cc: Terry Lambert , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in "The Register" Message-ID: <20000225063500.A16425@benzo.org> References: <200002250241.TAA11620@usr02.primenet.com> <20000224211916.D15416@benzo.org> <20000225010509.C31107@shadow.blackdawn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <20000225010509.C31107@shadow.blackdawn.com>; from Will Andrews on Fri, Feb 25, 2000 at 01:05:09AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will Andrews is rumored to have said: # On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 09:19:16PM -0800, enrico wrote: # > MacOS X is based on BSD 4.4 (on top of a Mach microkernel), NOT # > FreeBSD. Same roots, though. :) # # Wrong. MacOS X is based on both a Mach microkernel and FreeBSD 3.2. Read # all about it at http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html. # oops! I had based my statement on what I knew of OS X Server where it just says BSD 4.4. That is really cool about OS X using FreeBSD-specific code. :) --ec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 25 8:53:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8BA37C361 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:53:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-007.thuntek.net [207.66.52.7]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA43309; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:53:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Message-ID: <38B6B4B1.8FB4499C@thuntek.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:58:25 -0700 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Silver Lynx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: enrico Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in "The Register" References: <200002250241.TAA11620@usr02.primenet.com> <20000224211916.D15416@benzo.org> <20000225010509.C31107@shadow.blackdawn.com> <20000225063500.A16425@benzo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Wilfredo Sanchez (lead OS X developer @ Apple), they started with the NetBSD code base mixed with Mach. From what I gather, it isn't really a microkernel, but rather only that the Mach code was the starting point. Somewhere in the development cycle, Fred (and Apple) made the choice to use FreeBSD as the official "reference implementation" which will direct all future code work, instead of NetBSD. As they have done more work, more and more of the code has and will come to resemble the FreeBSD code base. Their goal is to be able to minimize the complexity of the differences so that they can truly leverage FreeBSD OS development to directly drive their own. -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Silver-Lynx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 25 11: 0: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from goofy.intcom.net (goofy.intcom.net [207.17.172.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622D037BAC3 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:00:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@iac.net) Received: from jason ([207.17.172.228]) by goofy.intcom.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA421F for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:59:32 -0500 From: "Jason Portwood" To: Subject: RE: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:57:20 -0500 Message-ID: <6381A6A8826BD31199500090279CAFBA106741@FOGHORN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <6381A6A8826BD31199500090279CAFBA0E7BE9@FOGHORN> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I must be really stupid. Who in the corporate world cares if > FreeBSD is mentioned in a linux mag or article. As a business person, I > look in trade magazines and some computer magazines/papers. I will tell you this. In > this months Computer paper (Toronto edition) a 1/4 or just > slightly larger add from the University of Toronto, showing 4 versions of Linux at the > Bookstore at U of T. That IS what gets people buying. It's basically a form of self promotion for FreeBSD. The bookstore at U of T just didn't toss the Linux ad in there for grins they know it will attract customers. Would a FreeBSD ad attract those customers who do not use FreeBSD already? Probably not. The more articles the more the name gets out and the chance someone will switch or start using FreeBSD. With that popularity ads will come in those papers even if it's just one distribution. Joe user hears about Linux all the time (FreeBSD is only a faint glimmer) and when he decides on a purchase he's going to plunk his money down on something familiar. Sure FreeBSD will do the job for him but he doesn't know that. Plus the majority of people who use a form of Unix around him would probably be Linux users. The more he/she hears about it the better the chances. > > I hope you dont burn free freebsd cdroms. It looks cheap, and > people that WANT quality expect it to cost. In their logical minds, it > works something like this. Well, lets see, the system the company sells out performs > others like NT and Novell and can keep pace with IBM AS > 400's. Hmm..and its free...nah how good can it be? Ahh..they will be out of > business and then we're stuck. > I think giving free CDs at Linux conventions OR even as a freebie on a Linux magazine would be a big help to the growth. Those people are already hooked on some form of Unix and the chances are pretty good that they'll give it a chance if it's in hand. Sure you take a hit giving the disks out but how many people buy the CD's now even though it can be download for free? How many buy the set religiously and never open it? I was a Linux user once and moved over to FreeBSD because of one person. I know that I have brought at least three more over because of my talking about it. That includes the person who got me started on Linux. Word of mouth helps and articles on it wets a persons appetite even more. Just my two cents worth... Jason Portwood - jason@iac.net Systems Administrator - Strategic/Internet Access Cincinnati Sales and Tech Support - 513-860-9052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 25 14:27:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (hydrant.intranova.net [209.201.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CFD437BD92 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:27:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 15194 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2000 22:27:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (user47288@127.0.0.1) by hydrant.intranova.net with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 22:27:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Forgot to CC the mailing list. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:26:48 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Lanny Baron Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's FreeBSD is a project not a company, and I didn't ask for your company or what they do what FreeBSD. Whatever services you provide with/for FreeBSD is fine, but FreeBSD itself is non-profit. On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > Did you know they are a for profit company? > > Lanny Baron > > http://freebsdsystems.com > > > On 25-Feb-00 Omachonu Ogali wrote: > > Do you understand the definition of a non-profit organization? > > > > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > > > >> I must be really stupid. Who in the corporate world cares if FreeBSD is > >> mentioned in a linux mag or article. As a business person, I look in trade > >> magazines and some computer magazines/papers. I will tell you this. In > >> this months Computer paper (Toronto edition) a 1/4 or just slightly larger > >> add from the University of Toronto, showing 4 versions of Linux at the > >> Bookstore at U of T. That IS what gets people buying. > >> > >> Now Jordan, you told the guy in mail here he should go ahead and get free > >> FreeBSD cd's made. Has anyone seen that Microsoft MAKES money? Not by > >> giving away cdroms for sure. It makes my blood boil to see this nonsense. > >> > >> Jordan, and anyone here connected with The FreeBSD Project, I only want to > >> see the organization succeed in all aspects. But the marketing in my eyes > >> is not good. Sorry for the criticism but that is how I see it. Jordan you > >> know what I am up too. And please dont spread it, but I will tell you the > >> marketing budget for 3 years is at well over 2 million dollars. > >> > >> I hope you dont burn free freebsd cdroms. It looks cheap, and people that > >> WANT quality expect it to cost. In their logical minds, it works something > >> like this. Well, lets see, the system the company sells out performs > >> others like NT and Novell and can keep pace with IBM AS 400's. Hmm..and > >> its free...nah how good can it be? Ahh..they will be out of business and > >> then we're stuck. > >> > >> Red Hat here costs at least $60.00 NT costs about 12 or 13 hundred. I > >> wonder who IS making money. I know who is NOT. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Lanny Baron > >> > >> http://ca.samba.org/samba/samba.html <--- official Canadian mirror > >> http://cybertouch.org <--- my sentimental ISP (which i dont advertise) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > >> > > > > -- > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >| Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | > >| Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | > >| PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | > >| PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > Lanny Baron > ---------------------------------- > Date: 25-Feb-00 > Time: 17:11:31 > > Rule of Creative Research: > (1) Never draw what you can copy. > (2) Never copy what you can trace. > (3) Never trace what you can cut out and paste down. > > ---------------------------------- > -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Feb 25 23:38:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from value.net (value.net [209.182.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FD837BF60 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:38:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from removeitc99@netscape.net) Received: from computer (d29-ts03.wci.value.net [209.182.135.138]) by value.net (8.9.3/8.7.4) with SMTP id XAA72961 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:38:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 23:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: removeitc99@netscape.net Message-Id: <200002260738.XAA72961@value.net> To: Subject: Commercial Unsolicited mail - Special offer from itc'99 online auction Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Sir/Madam: We are pleased to announce that “itc99”, one of the finest online auctions, has decided to waive any and all listing fees and commissions usually applied to most of online auction sites. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 6:58:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CDD37BC71 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 06:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25559; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:58:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:58:43 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: enrico Cc: Terry Lambert , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in "The Register" In-Reply-To: <20000224211916.D15416@benzo.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG actually the userland was sync'd to FreeBSD's at some point. -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, enrico wrote: > Terry Lambert is rumored to have said: > # FreeBSD was mentioned as the basis for the Mac OS X: > # > # http://www.theregister.co.uk/000224-000014.html > # > # near the bottom: > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # MacOS X's FreeBSD microkernel-based architecture makes it an ideal > # basis for a high-stable (if hi-fis and VCRs don't crash, neither can > # consumer electronics Net appliances) yet compact (store it in Flash > # RAM) appliance OS. Just add a cut-back Mac GUI and you're away. > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MacOS X is based on BSD 4.4 (on top of a Mach microkernel), NOT > FreeBSD. Same roots, though. :) > > # Maybe they are calling FreeBSD a microkernel after seen the > # size of a Windows 2000 "minumal installation"? 8-). > > heh. PicoBSD comes to mind by comparison. ;) > > > --ec > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 7: 7:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (hydrant.intranova.net [209.201.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5707E37BCC2 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:07:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 23556 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2000 15:07:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (user22794@127.0.0.1) by hydrant.intranova.net with SMTP; 26 Feb 2000 15:07:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:07:24 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Lanny Baron Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Walnut Creek is a for profit company, FreeBSD is a project, not a company. Walnut Creek merely sells FreeBSD on CD-ROM, FreeBSD does not sell FreeBSD. On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > Sorry dude, you are wrong. If in doubt ask jkh. > > later, > Lanny > On 25-Feb-00 Omachonu Ogali wrote: > > FreeBSD is a project not a company, and I didn't ask for your company or > > what they do what FreeBSD. Whatever services you provide with/for FreeBSD > > is fine, but FreeBSD itself is non-profit. > > > > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > > > >> Did you know they are a for profit company? > >> > >> Lanny Baron > >> > >> http://freebsdsystems.com > >> > >> > >> On 25-Feb-00 Omachonu Ogali wrote: > >> > Do you understand the definition of a non-profit organization? > >> > > >> > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > >> > > >> >> I must be really stupid. Who in the corporate world cares if FreeBSD is > >> >> mentioned in a linux mag or article. As a business person, I look in > >> >> trade > >> >> magazines and some computer magazines/papers. I will tell you this. In > >> >> this months Computer paper (Toronto edition) a 1/4 or just slightly > >> >> larger > >> >> add from the University of Toronto, showing 4 versions of Linux at the > >> >> Bookstore at U of T. That IS what gets people buying. > >> >> > >> >> Now Jordan, you told the guy in mail here he should go ahead and get free > >> >> FreeBSD cd's made. Has anyone seen that Microsoft MAKES money? Not by > >> >> giving away cdroms for sure. It makes my blood boil to see this nonsense. > >> >> > >> >> Jordan, and anyone here connected with The FreeBSD Project, I only want > >> >> to > >> >> see the organization succeed in all aspects. But the marketing in my eyes > >> >> is not good. Sorry for the criticism but that is how I see it. Jordan you > >> >> know what I am up too. And please dont spread it, but I will tell you the > >> >> marketing budget for 3 years is at well over 2 million dollars. > >> >> > >> >> I hope you dont burn free freebsd cdroms. It looks cheap, and people that > >> >> WANT quality expect it to cost. In their logical minds, it works > >> >> something > >> >> like this. Well, lets see, the system the company sells out performs > >> >> others like NT and Novell and can keep pace with IBM AS 400's. Hmm..and > >> >> its free...nah how good can it be? Ahh..they will be out of business and > >> >> then we're stuck. > >> >> > >> >> Red Hat here costs at least $60.00 NT costs about 12 or 13 hundred. I > >> >> wonder who IS making money. I know who is NOT. > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> > >> >> Lanny Baron > >> >> > >> >> http://ca.samba.org/samba/samba.html <--- official Canadian mirror > >> >> http://cybertouch.org <--- my sentimental ISP (which i dont advertise) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > >> >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >> >| Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | > >> >| Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | > >> >| PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | > >> >| PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | > >> > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >> > > >> > >> Lanny Baron > >> ---------------------------------- > >> Date: 25-Feb-00 > >> Time: 17:11:31 > >> > >> Rule of Creative Research: > >> (1) Never draw what you can copy. > >> (2) Never copy what you can trace. > >> (3) Never trace what you can cut out and paste down. > >> > >> ---------------------------------- > >> > > > > -- > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >| Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | > >| Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | > >| PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | > >| PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > Lanny Baron > ---------------------------------- > Date: 26-Feb-00 > Time: 03:52:31 > > All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. > -- Sean O'Casey > > ---------------------------------- > -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 14: 6:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from castor.nevada.edu (castor.nevada.edu [131.216.1.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9A337B52E for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from slumos@nevada.edu) Received: from localhost (slumos@localhost) by castor.nevada.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02242; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:06:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: castor.nevada.edu: slumos owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:06:46 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Lumos To: Louis Bertrand Cc: netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Request for Comments on article In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks to everyone for the great comments. I have a few questions, but I'm going to combine them into one message and work on the next draft first. I just wanted to say quickly, please don't anyone release this to Daemon News or anything else yet. If it gets to one of them, it will surely get to Slashdot, and I want to have it in finished form before I expose myself to the flame-fest from Slashdot Linux users ;-) Steve On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Louis Bertrand wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:16:29 -0500 (EST) > From: Louis Bertrand > To: Steve Lumos > Subject: Re: Request for Comments on article > > You should submit this to Daemon News Daily (http://daily.daemonnews.org). > Many people don't subscribe to the advocacy mailing lists. > > Try also the OpenBSD Journal at www.deadly.org . > > Ciao > --Louis > > Louis Bertrand http://www.bertrandtech.on.ca/ > Bertrand Technical Services, Bowmanville, ON, Canada > > OpenBSD: Secure by default. http://www.openbsd.org/ > > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Steve Lumos wrote: > > > > > I've written an article titled `On the Use of NetBSD for Computer Science > > Education' (it's really *BSD, but NetBSD is specifically being attacked > > where I am so that's why the title), and I'm hoping to get some useful > > criticism before releasing it to the world. I'd be especially grateful > > for help in: > > > > 1. The third section (`Why *BSD?') could use some more fleshing out. If > > anyone has favorite examples (with references please), I'd love to > > look at them, > > > > 2. Mercilessly flame any factual errors. I've tried to be very careful, > > but even one wrong fact kills credibility pretty quickly. > > > > The article is at http://www.cs.unlv.edu/~slumos/on-netbsd.html. For some > > background, the motivation to write this now came from the desire of a few > > professors to switch our (UNLV CS Department) student labs from NetBSD to > > Linux. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 14:23:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6F237B52D for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA52163; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:22:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Steve Lumos Cc: Louis Bertrand , netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Request for Comments on article In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:06:46 PST." Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:22:24 -0800 Message-ID: <52160.951603744@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Thanks to everyone for the great comments. I have a few questions, but > I'm going to combine them into one message and work on the next draft My suggestion here would be to pull a trick from the Linux camp's standard bag of tricks and talk about "BSD" in the global sense, e.g. lumping everyone's good points together for the purpose of talking about BSD's overall feature set. That is to say that if FreeBSD has a rep for having lots of x86 bells and whistles as well as reliability and industry acceptance then you say BSD has all of those things. If OpenBSD has a good rep for security then you can say that BSD offers better security. If NetBSD is known for wide cross-platform support, then you say BSD... etc. I'm sure you get the picture and, again, this is no less than what the "Linux" camp has done in spades. It might be Caldera/Red Hat with the best installer, Debian with the most developers or TurboLinux with "clustering", but talk to the press and what they're being fed is "Linux has a great installer, offers clustering and has lots of developers." There is very little distinction between the actual linux distributions themselves, and the fact that many of them are in bitter competition with one another is conveniently ignored. As far as the press is concerned, Linux is a single phenomenon with a single god at its head. I'm also not saying we should just paper over our differences, but we might do well to combine our individual "brand strengths" rather than fall divided when it comes to position papers like this. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 18: 1: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (fb01.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD8837B5CD for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:00:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2ive659.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.24.169]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08118; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:00:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B884DC.2E3D3C95@confusion.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:58:52 -0500 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Omachonu Ogali Cc: Lanny Baron , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG umm maybe I'm out on a limb here, but there is a FreeBSD Inc, which I thought to be the "project" as you put it. FreeBSD Inc isn't a not for profit, but the question is whether or not it's the project. Omachonu Ogali wrote: > > Walnut Creek is a for profit company, FreeBSD is a project, not a company. > Walnut Creek merely sells FreeBSD on CD-ROM, FreeBSD does not sell > FreeBSD. > > On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > > > Sorry dude, you are wrong. If in doubt ask jkh. > > > > later, > > Lanny > > On 25-Feb-00 Omachonu Ogali wrote: > > > FreeBSD is a project not a company, and I didn't ask for your company or > > > what they do what FreeBSD. Whatever services you provide with/for FreeBSD > > > is fine, but FreeBSD itself is non-profit. > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > > > > > >> Did you know they are a for profit company? > > >> > > >> Lanny Baron > > >> > > >> http://freebsdsystems.com > > >> > > >> > > >> On 25-Feb-00 Omachonu Ogali wrote: > > >> > Do you understand the definition of a non-profit organization? > > >> > > > >> > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> I must be really stupid. Who in the corporate world cares if FreeBSD is > > >> >> mentioned in a linux mag or article. As a business person, I look in > > >> >> trade > > >> >> magazines and some computer magazines/papers. I will tell you this. In > > >> >> this months Computer paper (Toronto edition) a 1/4 or just slightly > > >> >> larger > > >> >> add from the University of Toronto, showing 4 versions of Linux at the > > >> >> Bookstore at U of T. That IS what gets people buying. > > >> >> > > >> >> Now Jordan, you told the guy in mail here he should go ahead and get free > > >> >> FreeBSD cd's made. Has anyone seen that Microsoft MAKES money? Not by > > >> >> giving away cdroms for sure. It makes my blood boil to see this nonsense. > > >> >> > > >> >> Jordan, and anyone here connected with The FreeBSD Project, I only want > > >> >> to > > >> >> see the organization succeed in all aspects. But the marketing in my eyes > > >> >> is not good. Sorry for the criticism but that is how I see it. Jordan you > > >> >> know what I am up too. And please dont spread it, but I will tell you the > > >> >> marketing budget for 3 years is at well over 2 million dollars. > > >> >> > > >> >> I hope you dont burn free freebsd cdroms. It looks cheap, and people that > > >> >> WANT quality expect it to cost. In their logical minds, it works > > >> >> something > > >> >> like this. Well, lets see, the system the company sells out performs > > >> >> others like NT and Novell and can keep pace with IBM AS 400's. Hmm..and > > >> >> its free...nah how good can it be? Ahh..they will be out of business and > > >> >> then we're stuck. > > >> >> > > >> >> Red Hat here costs at least $60.00 NT costs about 12 or 13 hundred. I > > >> >> wonder who IS making money. I know who is NOT. > > >> >> > > >> >> Regards, > > >> >> > > >> >> Lanny Baron > > >> >> > > >> >> http://ca.samba.org/samba/samba.html <--- official Canadian mirror > > >> >> http://cybertouch.org <--- my sentimental ISP (which i dont advertise) > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >> >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > >> >| Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | > > >> >| Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | > > >> >| PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | > > >> >| PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | > > >> > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > >> > > > >> > > >> Lanny Baron > > >> ---------------------------------- > > >> Date: 25-Feb-00 > > >> Time: 17:11:31 > > >> > > >> Rule of Creative Research: > > >> (1) Never draw what you can copy. > > >> (2) Never copy what you can trace. > > >> (3) Never trace what you can cut out and paste down. > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > >| Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | > > >| Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | > > >| PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | > > >| PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | > > > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > > > > Lanny Baron > > ---------------------------------- > > Date: 26-Feb-00 > > Time: 03:52:31 > > > > All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed. > > -- Sean O'Casey > > > > ---------------------------------- > > > > -- > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | > | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | > | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | > | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 The above email Copyright (C) 2000 Laurence Berland All rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 18: 9: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C86437B675 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:08:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA52683; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Laurence Berland Cc: Omachonu Ogali , Lanny Baron , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:58:52 EST." <38B884DC.2E3D3C95@confusion.net> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:08:25 -0800 Message-ID: <52680.951617305@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > umm maybe I'm out on a limb here, but there is a FreeBSD Inc, which I > thought to be the "project" as you put it. FreeBSD Inc isn't a not for > profit, but the question is whether or not it's the project. FreeBSD, Inc. is not the project. It is a fund-raising entity FOR the project and will have at least that aspect of its operations shut down once the FreeBSD Foundation thingy gets created as a full 501(c)3 charitable organization. That has not yet happened and I'm not going to make any predictions as to when it will. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 19:15:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (satan.freebsdsystems.com [216.183.2.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EF737C05D for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lnb@satan.freebsdsystems.com) Received: (from lnb@localhost) by satan.freebsdsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA59425; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:14:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lnb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52680.951617305@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:14:49 -0500 (EST) Organization: FreeBSD Systems Inc. From: Lanny Baron To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's Cc: Omachonu Ogali , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Laurence Berland Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I simply said, and will repeat it again, all this yak about FreeBSD should be for FREE on cdroms is a bunch of BULLSHIT. Who ever reads this, do yourself a favor, go buy CDROM.COM and start burning and tell the world "HEY WE BURN FOR FREE!!" When you're done your dance, send me your bank account balance. I will reconcile it for you. I don't give too hoots for people that just want all the good and hard labour the the people at FreeBSD put in and to get what out of it? If anything, FreeBSD should cost at least and not a pennie less than Red Hat. I wonder if Microsoft after the ruling will start to compete with Sun's Free StarOffice? On the other hand, I wonder how JKH and company (figuratively speaking) will pay for programmers, support staff and the rest when some companies start marketing FreeBSD as the operating system of choice if they don't make profits? If you figure out how, by all means, please let me know. Lanny On 27-Feb-00 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> umm maybe I'm out on a limb here, but there is a FreeBSD Inc, which I >> thought to be the "project" as you put it. FreeBSD Inc isn't a not for >> profit, but the question is whether or not it's the project. > > FreeBSD, Inc. is not the project. It is a fund-raising entity FOR the > project and will have at least that aspect of its operations shut down > once the FreeBSD Foundation thingy gets created as a full 501(c)3 > charitable organization. That has not yet happened and I'm not going > to make any predictions as to when it will. > > - Jordan Lanny Baron ---------------------------------- Date: 26-Feb-00 Time: 22:14:49 "We don't care. We don't have to. We're the Phone Company." ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 20:22:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from gibbon.kungfumonkey.com (63-228-1-12.user.darwin.net [12.1.228.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A02137B577 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jolly@gibbon.kungfumonkey.com) Received: from localhost (jolly@localhost) by gibbon.kungfumonkey.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04443; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:21:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:21:45 -0500 (EST) From: Jacob Frelinger To: Lanny Baron Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Omachonu Ogali , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Laurence Berland Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: by Your Mother's Brand Of Detergent X-Archive: No MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > If anything, FreeBSD should cost at least and not a pennie less than > Red Hat. RedHat is free. it costs nothing. they give away cds all the time. try going to any linux trade show. so FreeBSD cost just as much, and not a penny less. RedHat makes its money by selling support for its linux distribution. -- Jacob "Spikes! For you! In your head" Frelinger Resident Psycho http://www.Kungfumonkey.com Jolly at Kungfumonkey dot Com -- Our relationship started going south when he had my middle name legally changed to "Experiment-Number-One" - Sluggy Freelance (http://www.sluggy.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 22:31:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B2937B576 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:31:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA53262; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:30:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Lanny Baron Cc: Omachonu Ogali , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Laurence Berland Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:14:49 EST." Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:30:47 -0800 Message-ID: <53259.951633047@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello, > I simply said, and will repeat it again, all this yak about FreeBSD should be > for FREE on cdroms is a bunch of BULLSHIT. Fine, you're entitled to your opinions but keep this kind of invective out of -advocacy since it only leads to more of the same and that's not what this mailing list is for. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 23:27:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D17F37B513 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:27:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15671; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:24:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38B8D2FE.9FFF4344@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:32:14 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laurence Berland Cc: Omachonu Ogali , Lanny Baron , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's References: <38B884DC.2E3D3C95@confusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Laurence Berland wrote: > > umm maybe I'm out on a limb here, but there is a FreeBSD Inc, which I > thought to be the "project" as you put it. FreeBSD Inc isn't a not for > profit, but the question is whether or not it's the project. You are mistaken, FreeBSD Inc, is a non-profit corporation. See: http://www.freebsdmall.com/donate/ -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Feb 26 23:31:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D8337B5AE for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:31:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA53480; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:29:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Wes Peters Cc: Laurence Berland , Omachonu Ogali , Lanny Baron , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the talk about fbsd in linux and free cd's In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:32:14 MST." <38B8D2FE.9FFF4344@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:29:21 -0800 Message-ID: <53477.951636561@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD, Inc. is a not-for-profit corporation. There is a difference between that and a genuine 501(c)3 non-profit. - Jordan > Laurence Berland wrote: > > > > umm maybe I'm out on a limb here, but there is a FreeBSD Inc, which I > > thought to be the "project" as you put it. FreeBSD Inc isn't a not for > > profit, but the question is whether or not it's the project. > > You are mistaken, FreeBSD Inc, is a non-profit corporation. See: > > http://www.freebsdmall.com/donate/ > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr L LC > wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.co m/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message