From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 25 9:17: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.gplsucks.org (alpha.gplsucks.org [63.227.213.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4C837BC06 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:16:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bwoods2@uswest.net) Received: from localhost (bwoods2@localhost) by alpha.gplsucks.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e5PGGV011686 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Make World dies again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Running FreeBSD alpha.gplsucks.org 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #7: Sun Jun 11 22:23:37 PDT 2000 on a DEC Alpha 200 4/233, I keep haveing make world die. This is ther error message. ---------------------------------------- mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -DLINPROCFS -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -I. -I@ -I@/../include -I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include /usr/src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../i386/linux/linprocfs/linprocfs_misc.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../i386/linux/linprocfs/linprocfs_subr.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../i386/linux/linprocfs/linprocfs_vfsops.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../i386/linux/linprocfs/linprocfs_vnops.c /usr/src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../i386/linux/linprocfs/linprocfs_misc.c:61: machine/cputypes.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/linprocfs. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. --------------------------- Any help appreciated. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 25 9:33:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821BA37B793 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 09:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01793; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA19009; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:33:04 -0400 (EDT) To: Bill Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make World dies again In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14678.13304.217673.467654@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill writes: > Running FreeBSD alpha.gplsucks.org 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #7: Sun Nice domain name ;-) > Jun 11 22:23:37 PDT 2000 on a DEC Alpha 200 4/233, I keep haveing make > world die. This is ther error message. > ---------------------------------------- > mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -DLINPROCFS -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- > -I. -I@ -I@/../include -I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include > /usr/src/sys/modules/linprocfs/../../i386/linux/linprocfs/linprocfs_misc.c A fix was recently committed. Update your sources or apply the following patch: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/modules/Makefile.diff?r1=1.110.2.6&r2=1.110.2.7 Cheers, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 27 13:12:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739D237BB50 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26509 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:12:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA93031 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:12:03 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: switch settings for PWS 500a Message-ID: <20000627131203.A92913@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, Does anyone have documenation for the rocker switches (jumpers) on a PWS 500a (MX5)? -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 27 14:17:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FB937B524; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:17:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000627211702.BJLC26299.relay02@chello.nl>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:17:02 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02086; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:17:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:17:19 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: switch settings for PWS 500a Message-ID: <20000627231719.A2054@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000627131203.A92913@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000627131203.A92913@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 01:12:03PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 27, 2000 at 01:12:03PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > Hello all, > > Does anyone have documenation for the rocker switches (jumpers) on a PWS > 500a (MX5)? Sure. Wanna overclock the CPU? 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 433Mc D U D U U D D U 500Mc D U U U U D D U 600Mc D D U D D U D U U= up, D= down. Keep the CPU/DIMMs at the top. Hope this helps, -- Wilko Bulte http://www.freebsd.org "Do, or do not. There is no try" wilko@freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl Yoda - The Empire Strikes Back To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 10:17:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EB937BD6E for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13179; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:17:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Cc: "David O'Brien" Subject: new make world problems du jour Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl Extracting config.h (with variable substitutions) Extracting cflags (with variable substitutions) Extracting writemain (with variable substitutions) Extracting myconfig (with variable substitutions) *** Signal 11 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 ..... FreeBSD/alpha (farrago.feral.com) (console) login: Jun 28 06:21:47 farrago /kernel: pid 7761 (miniperl), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Oh, Mr. ToolWizard, what chickens do I need to sacrifice.....? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 10:41: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from malkavian.org (malkavian.org [206.136.132.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68E037BF0E for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Received: from localhost (rbw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by malkavian.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA54079 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:40:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:40:57 -0700 (MST) From: "brian j. peterson" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: don't panic Message-ID: X-Prime: (2 ^ 6972593) - 1 X-URL: http://rbw.myplace.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unfortunately, my AS200 4/233 is ignoring that advice... Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: unexpected machine check: Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: mces = 0x1 Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: vector = 0x670 Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: param = 0xfffffc0000006000 Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: pc = 0x1201799d8 Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: ra = 0x120179e90 Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: curproc = 0xfffffe001368a300 Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: pid = 33136, comm = cc1 Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: panic: machine check Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: syncing disks... 36 9 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: giving up on 6 buffers Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: Uptime: 5d12h9m13s Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort the kernel was compiled with -g. gdb and nm aren't able to tell me what those pc and ra numbers refer to. (i figured this info would be requested since someone asked for it the last time i posted about a panic.) http://rbw.myplace.org/files/panic/ has my kernel config file and the relevant lines from /var/log/messages . anyone have any ideas? -brian -- --===-----=======-----------=============-----------------=================== | rbw aka bjp | god's final message to his creation: | | rbw@myplace.org | we apologize for the inconvenience. | ===================-----------------=============-----------=======-----===-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 10:47:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723BB37B962 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:47:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02723; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA82737; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:47:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:47:43 -0400 (EDT) To: "brian j. peterson" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: don't panic In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14682.14754.992194.72377@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org brian j. peterson writes: > unfortunately, my AS200 4/233 is ignoring that advice... > > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: unexpected machine check: > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: mces = 0x1 > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: vector = 0x670 > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: param = 0xfffffc0000006000 > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: pc = 0x1201799d8 > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: ra = 0x120179e90 <..> > > anyone have any ideas? The pc & ra are in userspace. So it could be something like an X server accessing memory it is not allowed to touch. On the other hand, it could be a memory parity error, etc.. What were you doing at the time of the crash? Is the machine properly cooled? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 11: 3:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAFF37B5E2 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:03:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13341; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:03:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:02:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: "brian j. peterson" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: don't panic In-Reply-To: <14682.14754.992194.72377@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 670 is processor machine check. This is a per-platform thing. The param is suspiciously off on a page aligned boundary off in K0SEG space- low in it, in fact, below KERNBASE. On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > brian j. peterson writes: > > unfortunately, my AS200 4/233 is ignoring that advice... > > > > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: unexpected machine check: > > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: > > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: mces = 0x1 > > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: vector = 0x670 > > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: param = 0xfffffc0000006000 > > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: pc = 0x1201799d8 > > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: ra = 0x120179e90 > > <..> > > > > anyone have any ideas? > > The pc & ra are in userspace. So it could be something like an X > server accessing memory it is not allowed to touch. On the other > hand, it could be a memory parity error, etc.. > > What were you doing at the time of the crash? Is the machine > properly cooled? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 12:18: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from malkavian.org (malkavian.org [206.136.132.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D527037B602 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:17:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Received: from localhost (rbw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by malkavian.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA54891; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:17:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:17:45 -0700 (MST) From: "brian j. peterson" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: don't panic In-Reply-To: <14682.14754.992194.72377@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: X-Prime: (2 ^ 6972593) - 1 X-URL: http://rbw.myplace.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: # # brian j. peterson writes: # > unfortunately, my AS200 4/233 is ignoring that advice... # > # > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: unexpected machine check: # > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: # > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: mces = 0x1 # > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: vector = 0x670 # > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: param = 0xfffffc0000006000 # > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: pc = 0x1201799d8 # > Jun 28 09:51:34 nikita /kernel: ra = 0x120179e90 # # <..> # > # > anyone have any ideas? # # The pc & ra are in userspace. So it could be something like an X # server accessing memory it is not allowed to touch. On the other # hand, it could be a memory parity error, etc.. # # What were you doing at the time of the crash? Is the machine # properly cooled? at the time of the crash i had just started to compile netcat from the ports collection. i compiled it successfully after the panic (and after doing a "make distclean"). all the other stuff running was the same stuff i have running normally (apache, ntpd, several irc clients, several screen sessions, pine, sendmail). (btw, X wasn't running.) i guess "properly cooled" is kind of relative. it is sitting on my desk in my bedroom in my apartment. the place is kept at ~80F. the box itself runs without the top of the case on, so it is well-ventilated. i do know that the CPU's heatsink will actually burn me if i touch it for more than about half a second, but i don't think that is uncommon... esp. for older alphas. -brian -- --===-----=======-----------=============-----------------=================== | rbw aka bjp | god's final message to his creation: | | rbw@myplace.org | we apologize for the inconvenience. | ===================-----------------=============-----------=======-----===-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 12:25:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0143337BA76 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000628192505.KDRS26299.relay02@chello.nl>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:25:05 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01759; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:25:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:25:22 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "brian j. peterson" Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: don't panic Message-ID: <20000628212522.B1596@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG References: <14682.14754.992194.72377@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from rbw@myplace.org on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:17:45PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:17:45PM -0700, brian j. peterson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > # What were you doing at the time of the crash? Is the machine > # properly cooled? > > at the time of the crash i had just started to compile netcat from the > ports collection. i compiled it successfully after the panic (and after > doing a "make distclean"). all the other stuff running was the same stuff > i have running normally (apache, ntpd, several irc clients, several > screen sessions, pine, sendmail). (btw, X wasn't running.) > > i guess "properly cooled" is kind of relative. it is sitting on my desk > in my bedroom in my apartment. the place is kept at ~80F. the box itself > runs without the top of the case on, so it is well-ventilated. i do know > that the CPU's heatsink will actually burn me if i touch it for more than > about half a second, but i don't think that is uncommon... esp. for older > alphas. The EV4-classic has a tendency to fry your fingers, correct. But try putting a fan in to cool it. I've seen *extremely* weird behaviour with overheating EV4 chips. -- Wilko Bulte http://www.freebsd.org "Do, or do not. There is no try" wilko@freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl Yoda - The Empire Strikes Back To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 12:56:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from malkavian.org (malkavian.org [206.136.132.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B62637C136; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Received: from localhost (rbw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by malkavian.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA55245; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:56:44 -0700 (MST) From: "brian j. peterson" To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: don't panic In-Reply-To: <20000628212522.B1596@freebie.wbnet> Message-ID: X-Prime: (2 ^ 6972593) - 1 X-URL: http://rbw.myplace.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: # The EV4-classic has a tendency to fry your fingers, correct. But try putting # a fan in to cool it. I've seen *extremely* weird behaviour with overheating # EV4 chips. any suggestions on a particular fan? generally i get a fan+heatsink for my x86 chips, but the alpha has the special bolted-on heatsink. -- --===-----=======-----------=============-----------------=================== | rbw aka bjp | god's final message to his creation: | | rbw@myplace.org | we apologize for the inconvenience. | ===================-----------------=============-----------=======-----===-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 13:10:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5FE37B62C; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:10:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000628201003.KPLQ26299.relay02@chello.nl>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:10:03 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02172; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:10:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:10:20 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "brian j. peterson" Cc: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG, Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: don't panic Message-ID: <20000628221020.A2152@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000628212522.B1596@freebie.wbnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from rbw@myplace.org on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:56:44PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:56:44PM -0700, brian j. peterson wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > # The EV4-classic has a tendency to fry your fingers, correct. But try putting > # a fan in to cool it. I've seen *extremely* weird behaviour with overheating > # EV4 chips. > > any suggestions on a particular fan? generally i get a fan+heatsink for > my x86 chips, but the alpha has the special bolted-on heatsink. I once used a small 12Volts fan out of a Apple Mac. I used screws that just fit between the 'fins' of the heatsink. This worked very well (but looks ugly). There exist fans that have exactly the right size too. -- Wilko Bulte http://www.freebsd.org "Do, or do not. There is no try" wilko@freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl Yoda - The Empire Strikes Back To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 17:26:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (peter1.corp.yahoo.com [208.48.107.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06C137BA69 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAA41CDF for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:26:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: fdc driver problem on the Alpha (PC164SX) - anyone else? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:26:16 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000629002616.BDAA41CDF@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm getting a hang during boot now under -current: ... vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 Normally it looks like this: ... mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 First, is anybody else seeing this? Anybody else using fdc under the latest -current? The fdc code hasn't changed since the last time I built and ran a kernel. I don't see why the config(8) changes should affect just this driver. The thing that I am most suspicious of right now is this commit to the alpha isa_dma.c: revision 1.4 date: 2000/06/19 18:41:27; author: gallatin; state: Exp; lines: +29 -4 Support bounce buffers for ISA DMA on the alpha. This is required for the irongate chipset (used in the UP1000) which does not support scatter/gather DMA. We'll still use scatter gather if the core logic chipset supports it. It has one line in there that is not described in the commit message: @@ -105,6 +106,7 @@ * Reset the DMA hardware. */ outb(DMA1_RESET, 0); + outb((IO_DMA1 + 1*14), 0); outb(DMA2_RESET, 0); isa_dmacascade(4); I'm wondering if this could be related somehow. The driver seems to be hanging in a way that might be consistant with a dma initialization problem. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 17:35:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92A837C29C for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:35:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14849; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:35:32 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:34:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Peter Wemm Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fdc driver problem on the Alpha (PC164SX) - anyone else? In-Reply-To: <20000629002616.BDAA41CDF@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > First, is anybody else seeing this? Anybody else using fdc under the latest > -current? I'm not seeing this myself on my PC164: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #10: Wed Jun 28 16:59:24 PDT 2000 mjacob@farrago.feral.com:/tstsys/compile/FARRAGO EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164 432 MHz, 432MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. .... isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 isa0: <@@@0000> found at port 0x60 isa0: <@@@0000> found isa0: <@@@0000> found ... I don't actually &use& the floppy driver, but it hasn't hung me booting lately.. > The fdc code hasn't changed since the last time I built and ran > a kernel. I don't see why the config(8) changes should affect just this > driver. Tsk! > > The thing that I am most suspicious of right now is this commit to the alpha > isa_dma.c: > > revision 1.4 > date: 2000/06/19 18:41:27; author: gallatin; state: Exp; lines: +29 -4 > Support bounce buffers for ISA DMA on the alpha. This is required for the > irongate chipset (used in the UP1000) which does not support scatter/gather > DMA. We'll still use scatter gather if the core logic chipset supports it. > > It has one line in there that is not described in the commit message: > > @@ -105,6 +106,7 @@ > * Reset the DMA hardware. > */ > outb(DMA1_RESET, 0); > + outb((IO_DMA1 + 1*14), 0); > outb(DMA2_RESET, 0); > isa_dmacascade(4); > > I'm wondering if this could be related somehow. The driver seems to be > hanging in a way that might be consistant with a dma initialization > problem. Umm... Maybe. What else d'ya have in your box? Have you tried pulling the floppy drive cable off (I forget whether this stops the initialization) or just not configuring it in to really isolate it? -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 19:28:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E292537BAD1 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from gale.cs.duke.edu (gale.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.6]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02345; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (gallatin@localhost) by gale.cs.duke.edu (8.8.4/8.6.9) id WAA11582; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006290228.WAA11582@gale.cs.duke.edu> From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Peter Wemm Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fdc driver problem on the Alpha (PC164SX) - anyone else? In-Reply-To: <20000629002616.BDAA41CDF@overcee.netplex.com.au> References: <20000629002616.BDAA41CDF@overcee.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm writes: > @@ -105,6 +106,7 @@ > * Reset the DMA hardware. > */ > outb(DMA1_RESET, 0); > + outb((IO_DMA1 + 1*14), 0); > outb(DMA2_RESET, 0); > isa_dmacascade(4); > > I'm wondering if this could be related somehow. The driver seems to be > hanging in a way that might be consistant with a dma initialization > problem. Gack! Pass me the pointy hat. That never should have snuck in. I was desparately trying to wake up the floppy drive on my up1000 & that was left from a failed attempt. It didn't seem to affect my xp1000 or my up1000 which is why I forgot to remove it before committing. At any rate, I just removed it. Please let me know if that fixes your problem. Sorry, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 20:48:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from web2004.mail.yahoo.com (web2004.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E90237BA79 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbagel@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16207 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2000 03:48:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000629034819.16206.qmail@web2004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.170.30.35] by web2004.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:48:19 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:48:19 -0700 (PDT) From: GReg meno Subject: modem doesn't work under 4.0 what gives? To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, I just recently installed freebsd 4 and my modem a USR 56k w/ jumpers (internal) does not seem to work. I'm running SRM v5.3-3 on an LX this modem works fine under linux 2.2 and AlphaBIOS any ideas? TIA Greg Meno __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 21:35:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A77C37BB17 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22483 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Cache line size for the Alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I want to make sure a spinlock gets its own cache line on the Alpha. Do all models have the same cache line size? If so, what is it? If it is not the same for all models, what is the size of the largest one? Thanks, John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 21:47:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.calyx.net (mail.calyx.net [208.132.136.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 348E937BB1A for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@mojo.calyx.net) Received: (qmail 7368 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2000 00:47:39 -0400 Received: from mojo.calyx.net (HELO mojo) (m3zzlti5e0slmu2jnv4m@208.132.136.2) by mail.calyx.net with SMTP; 29 Jun 2000 00:47:39 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:47:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicholas Merrill To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha Processor, Inc UP1000 support committed In-Reply-To: <14670.36910.273200.302750@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I've committed support for the Alpha Processor Inc UP1000. > > The UP1000 is an ATX mainboard using a 21264a CPU in a Slot B > module. It is normally housed in an ATX enclosure. It is very PC-like > in that it has an AMD-751 ('Irongate') core logic chipset and an AGP > slot. Cool, great news - Thanks Drew! Do you suppose it would work on a UP2000 (the dual processor version) ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill http://www.calyx.net Voice: 212-966-1900 President / CEO http://www.calyx.nl Fax : 212-966-3965 Calyx Internet Access 13 Laight St. NYC, NY 10013 Email: nick@calyx.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jun 28 21:48: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.calyx.net (mail.calyx.net [208.132.136.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE3CD37B5AC for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@mojo.calyx.net) Received: (qmail 9516 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2000 00:47:58 -0400 Received: from mojo.calyx.net (HELO mojo) (mnzsx035p3y57eorgadz@208.132.136.2) by mail.calyx.net with SMTP; 29 Jun 2000 00:47:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicholas Merrill To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha Processor, Inc UP1000 support committed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I've committed support for the Alpha Processor Inc UP1000. > > The UP1000 is an ATX mainboard using a 21264a CPU in a Slot B > module. It is normally housed in an ATX enclosure. It is very PC-like > in that it has an AMD-751 ('Irongate') core logic chipset and an AGP > slot. Cool, great news - Thanks Drew! Do you suppose it would work on a UP2000 (the dual processor version) ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill http://www.calyx.net Voice: 212-966-1900 President / CEO http://www.calyx.nl Fax : 212-966-3965 Calyx Internet Access 13 Laight St. NYC, NY 10013 Email: nick@calyx.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 0: 9:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (ppp-247.dialup.clari.net.au [203.57.253.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882E037B8FE for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01642; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200006290716.AAA01642@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Nicholas Merrill Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha Processor, Inc UP1000 support committed In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:47:38 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:16:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > I've committed support for the Alpha Processor Inc UP1000. > > > > The UP1000 is an ATX mainboard using a 21264a CPU in a Slot B > > module. It is normally housed in an ATX enclosure. It is very PC-like > > in that it has an AMD-751 ('Irongate') core logic chipset and an AGP > > slot. > > Cool, great news - Thanks Drew! > > Do you suppose it would work on a UP2000 (the dual processor version) ? We've been running on the UP2000 for ages (one CPU only). -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 1:44:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CD037B733 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:44:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JR67TTZK4Y0008S6@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:44:07 +0200 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:44:07 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:43:59 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: don't panic To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D76CC@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I once used a small 12Volts fan out of a Apple Mac. I > used screws that just fit between the 'fins' of the > heatsink. This worked very well (but looks ugly). There > exist fans that have exactly the right size too. > I did something similar with the cpu in my noname board. I used a pentium fan, with extra fat screws. There's a power converter next to the cpu leaning over under the weight its heatsink. I've been thinking that I should cool that thingy too, perhaps. I've heard of people who have actually. Kees Jan ================================================= TV is the worst of both worlds. It's not as good at words as radio is because the pictures are a distraction which demand attention, and it's not as good as cinema because the pictures are not nearly as good. Douglas Adams To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 7:44:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com (teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com [139.134.5.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7498F37B892 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tpnelson@student.cowan.edu.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot27.domain5.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id za055483 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:42:39 +1000 Received: from WEBH-T-009-p-99-142.tmns.net.au ([139.134.99.142]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Bien-MailRouter V2.8a 9/911111); 30 Jun 2000 00:42:38 Message-ID: <395A0EE8.28E6C524@student.cowan.edu.au> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:42:48 +0800 From: Trent Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cache line size for the Alpha References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John, Ignore the previous assumption I sent you privately. John Polstra wrote: > > I want to make sure a spinlock gets its own cache line on the Alpha. > Do all models have the same cache line size? If so, what is it? If > it is not the same for all models, what is the size of the largest > one? 21064, 21064A, 21066, 21066A, 21164 all have line sizes of 32-bytes. The 21264 has a 64-byte line size. > Thanks, > John Regards, Trent. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 9:28:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AEC37B9E6 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26423; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA23243; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006291628.JAA23243@vashon.polstra.com> To: tpnelson@echidna.stu.cowan.edu.au Subject: Re: Cache line size for the Alpha In-Reply-To: <395A0EE8.28E6C524@student.cowan.edu.au> References: <395A0EE8.28E6C524@student.cowan.edu.au> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <395A0EE8.28E6C524@student.cowan.edu.au>, Trent Nelson wrote: > 21064, 21064A, 21066, 21066A, 21164 all have line sizes of 32-bytes. > The 21264 has a 64-byte line size. Thanks for the info! Now does anybody know whether it makes a difference performance-wise to put spinlocks in separate cache lines on the Alpha? I understand that it makes a big difference on the x86. But one person told me in private mail that he didn't think it mattered on the Alpha. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 9:50:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.chello.nl (relay02.chello.nl [212.83.68.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C2537BEE5 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay02.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000629164941.SOSR26299.relay02@chello.nl>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:49:41 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00939; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:49:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:49:59 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: don't panic Message-ID: <20000629184959.A699@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D76CC@l04.research.kpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D76CC@l04.research.kpn.com>; from K.J.Koster@kpn.com on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:43:59AM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:43:59AM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: > > > > I once used a small 12Volts fan out of a Apple Mac. I > > used screws that just fit between the 'fins' of the > > heatsink. This worked very well (but looks ugly). There > > exist fans that have exactly the right size too. > > > I did something similar with the cpu in my noname board. I used a pentium > fan, with extra fat screws. > > There's a power converter next to the cpu leaning over under the weight its > heatsink. I've been thinking that I should cool that thingy too, perhaps. > I've heard of people who have actually. The LT1083 is the step-down regulator for the CPU. Essential to keep it sort-of cool too alright -- Wilko Bulte http://www.freebsd.org "Do, or do not. There is no try" wilko@freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl Yoda - The Empire Strikes Back To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 10:36: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE8F37BFD9 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:35:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18176 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:35:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:34:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: old practice revived... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm- reboots are getting painful: Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `bufdaemon' to stop...stopped Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `syncer' to stop...stopped syncing disks... 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 934 fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x20 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc00003e6640 ra = 0xfffffc00003e65d4 curproc = 0xfffffe0009866200 pid = 1253, comm = reboot panic: trap Uptime: 12m46s Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort I'm going to have to go back to the practice of sync; sync; sync; reboot .... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 12: 2:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from malkavian.org (malkavian.org [206.136.132.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EAB37BF0C for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:02:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Received: from localhost (rbw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by malkavian.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA72412 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:01:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rbw@myplace.org) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:01:57 -0700 (MST) From: "brian j. peterson" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: old practice revived... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Prime: (2 ^ 6972593) - 1 X-URL: http://rbw.myplace.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew Jacob wrote: # I'm going to have to go back to the practice of # # sync; # sync; # sync; # # reboot this may seem off-topic (and show how much of a newbie i am), but is there some reason you can't use "shutdown -r now"? -- --===-----=======-----------=============-----------------=================== | rbw aka bjp | god's final message to his creation: | | rbw@myplace.org | we apologize for the inconvenience. | ===================-----------------=============-----------=======-----===-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 16:59:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167C537C22C for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19392; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:58:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "brian j. peterson" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: old practice revived... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > # I'm going to have to go back to the practice of > # > # sync; > # sync; > # sync; > # > # reboot > > this may seem off-topic (and show how much of a newbie i am), but is there > some reason you can't use "shutdown -r now"? It's the same thing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jun 29 23:39:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B65437B7B3 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA72448 for alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:39:42 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: (FWD) Re: Alpha builds Message-ID: <20000629233942.A72428@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can everyone pitch in to help with this situation that *never* should have happened? ----- Forwarded message from Mark Murray ----- > Would it be possible for you to try a buildworld on Beast? I'm getting > this on an upto date Alpha: I'm working with Matt Jacob on this one. (I also get it). I can't do any long distance debutgging - the connection is too slow. Please do your "make world" with NOPERL set, and in the meanwhile assist with this: Get an original perl tarball, and mess with configuring it until it works; then "make clean", tar it up and put it somewhere where I can get it. I'll fix from there. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 1:11:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com (teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com [139.134.5.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BE1D37B60C for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tpnelson@student.cowan.edu.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ua780098 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:10:41 +1000 Received: from WEBH-T-001-p-142-70.tmns.net.au ([139.134.142.70]) by mail2.bigpond.com (Claudes-Industrial-MailRouter V2.8a 3/312645); 30 Jun 2000 18:10:40 Message-ID: <395B0487.9D94D2A8@student.cowan.edu.au> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:10:47 +0800 From: Trent Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cache line size for the Alpha References: <395A0EE8.28E6C524@student.cowan.edu.au> <200006291628.JAA23243@vashon.polstra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > Now does anybody know whether it makes a difference performance-wise > to put spinlocks in separate cache lines on the Alpha? I understand > that it makes a big difference on the x86. But one person told me in > private mail that he didn't think it mattered on the Alpha. From the Alpha Architecture Handbook, v4.0, Appendix A.3: "Software locks are aligned quadwords and should be allocated to large cache blocks that either contain no other data or read-mostly data whose usage is correlated with the lock." [Pg. 279-280] From what I've read, I think the biggest performance consideration is the locality of the resource in contention. For high contention locks, it seems desirable to ensure that the spinlock code and the resource in contention are placed on separate 128-byte cache block boundaries. For locks with very low contention, where possible, it may be desirable to keep the resource in contention in the same line as the spinlock code. Appendix A.3.2 of the Alpha Architecture Handbook v4.0 deals with software locking implementations. Appendix C of the Compiler Writers' Guide to the 21264 deals with implementing optimal quadword aligned code for a tight loop. Both these and more can be retrieved from: ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/dsc-library.html Hope this helps. > John Regards, Trent. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 10:17:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E582137BA36 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02935; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA25927; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006301717.KAA25927@vashon.polstra.com> To: tpnelson@echidna.stu.cowan.edu.au Subject: Re: Cache line size for the Alpha In-Reply-To: <395B0487.9D94D2A8@student.cowan.edu.au> References: <395A0EE8.28E6C524@student.cowan.edu.au> <200006291628.JAA23243@vashon.polstra.com> <395B0487.9D94D2A8@student.cowan.edu.au> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <395B0487.9D94D2A8@student.cowan.edu.au>, Trent Nelson wrote: > > From the Alpha Architecture Handbook, v4.0, Appendix A.3: > > "Software locks are aligned quadwords and should be allocated > to large cache blocks that either contain no other data or > read-mostly data whose usage is correlated with the lock." > [Pg. 279-280] Thanks -- that settles the issue. > From what I've read, I think the biggest performance > consideration is the locality of the resource in contention. For > high contention locks, it seems desirable to ensure that the > spinlock code and the resource in contention are placed on separate > 128-byte cache block boundaries. The 128-byte figure confuses me. I thought the biggest cache line size you mentioned before was 64 bytes. Is a cache "block" different from a cache line? John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 10:53:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BEF37C30C for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22428; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:53:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:52:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (FWD) Re: Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <20000629233942.A72428@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, I'd like help with this also. I'm quite busy trying to get stuff backported for 4.1 and if someone could take on the task of - fixing perl - fixing gdb for the kernel they'll get smothered with hugs and kisses. I plan to take another run at trying to get perl buildable this weekend, but if someone else can tackle it, that'd be great. Note that perl actually appears to *build* out of the straight bundle of stuff- but fails a couple of the tests. The problem for our build appears to be in usage of miniperl. One thing I'm, heh heh, trying to make sure of as I rebuild perl, is that the old libperl.so is not around- that can sure confuse one when you build the gnu tarball. On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > Can everyone pitch in to help with this situation that *never* should > have happened? > > > ----- Forwarded message from Mark Murray ----- > > Would it be possible for you to try a buildworld on Beast? I'm getting > > this on an upto date Alpha: > > I'm working with Matt Jacob on this one. > (I also get it). > > I can't do any long distance debutgging - the connection is too slow. > > Please do your "make world" with NOPERL set, and in the meanwhile > assist with this: > > Get an original perl tarball, and mess with configuring it until > it works; then "make clean", tar it up and put it somewhere where I > can get it. > > I'll fix from there. > > M > -- > Mark Murray > Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 11:25:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014C537BB58 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA06930; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:19:53 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matthew Jacob Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (FWD) Re: Alpha builds Message-ID: <20000630111953.C68696@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000629233942.A72428@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:52:16AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:52:16AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > backported for 4.1 and if someone could take on the task of > > - fixing gdb for the kernel This is broken in 4-STABLE? Andrew said it is only broken for 5-CURRENT. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 11:29:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAA637BC68; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05383; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA88358; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Matthew Jacob , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (FWD) Re: Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <20000630111953.C68696@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20000629233942.A72428@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000630111953.C68696@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14684.58987.553639.364884@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:52:16AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > backported for 4.1 and if someone could take on the task of > > > > - fixing gdb for the kernel > > This is broken in 4-STABLE? Andrew said it is only broken for > 5-CURRENT. Errm.. I don't run -STABLE on any alpha boxes right now. (though I do build -STABLE kernels to test MFCs). So I don't know about -STABLE. I know that it is not broken for 4.0-RELEASE. What I do know is that if I build a kernel on 4.0-RELEASE, either gdb works (current or stable). If I build a kernel on -current, no gdb works. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 11:29:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A7737C319; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:29:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22607; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:29:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (FWD) Re: Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <20000630111953.C68696@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:52:16AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > backported for 4.1 and if someone could take on the task of > > > > - fixing gdb for the kernel > > This is broken in 4-STABLE? Andrew said it is only broken for > 5-CURRENT. > Oops- I confused folks. The items I listed are 5-current. The 4-STABLE is what I need to spend some time investigating and backporting things (like the 4100- does it boot for you now David?) and the Qlogic changes to. Which is why I don't have a lot of time for 5-current. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 13: 9:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bastard.co.uk (node16292.a2000.nl [24.132.98.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C29A37B539 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@bastard.co.uk) Received: from adrian by mail.bastard.co.uk with local (Exim 3.14 #1) id 13876L-000LsL-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:09:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:09:25 +0200 From: Adrian Chadd To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0-RELEASE on a axppci33 ? Message-ID: <20000630220925.B81619@zoe.bastard.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE on this Alpha axppci33 I have here. The install is fine, but when I try to boot off the hard disk it hangs. AXPpci33 Common Console X4.7-1860, built on Nov 1 1996 at 06:00:01 >>>show device dka0.0.0.6.0 DKA0 QUANTUM LPS540S 5900 dva0.0.0.0.1 DVA0 ewa0.0.0.8.0 EWA0 00-40-05-42-B6-44 pka0.7.0.6.0 PKA0 SCSI Bus ID 7 >>>boot dka0 (boot dka0.0.0.6.0 -flags a) block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.0 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.0 bootstrap code read in base = 110000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 102000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Loading /boot/loader [hang] Now, the cute bit is that the loader doesn't detect dka0, ie ok lsdev disk @ 0x2001f140 disk0: SRM drive DVA 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ok If I boot the kernel off floppy it will happily boot root off da0 and go into multi-user mode. Has anyone got any clues? I'm new to FreeBSD-alpha stuff. I've searched the freebsd-alpha list archives for signs of loader breakage but I couldn't find anything that would cause this. Please reply CC'ed to me as I'm not on the list (but I guess I'll be getting on it real soon. :) Thanks, Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 13:49:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (peter1.corp.yahoo.com [208.48.107.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB0737BC16 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A6D1CD7; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: "David O'Brien" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (FWD) Re: Alpha builds In-Reply-To: Message from Matthew Jacob of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:52:16 PDT." Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:49:49 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000630204949.13A6D1CD7@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All things being equal, the perl problem should be fixed. It was a problem in the config.SH files - it had 'long' in the int32 type settings and 'long long' for 64 bit types. In hindsight I should probably have set them all to int32_t, int64_t etc. There is still a warning in the 'B' module that I do not like the look of, but perl builds and miniperl runs for the dependency stuff. I finished a buildworld/installworld about 5 minutes ago. Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Yes, I'd like help with this also. I'm quite busy trying to get stuff > backported for 4.1 and if someone could take on the task of > > - fixing perl > - fixing gdb for the kernel > > they'll get smothered with hugs and kisses. I plan to take another run at > trying to get perl buildable this weekend, but if someone else can tackle it, > that'd be great. > > Note that perl actually appears to *build* out of the straight bundle of > stuff- but fails a couple of the tests. > > The problem for our build appears to be in usage of miniperl. One thing I'm, > heh heh, trying to make sure of as I rebuild perl, is that the old libperl.so > is not around- that can sure confuse one when you build the gnu tarball. > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > > > Can everyone pitch in to help with this situation that *never* should > > have happened? > > > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Mark Murray ----- > > > Would it be possible for you to try a buildworld on Beast? I'm getting > > > this on an upto date Alpha: > > > > I'm working with Matt Jacob on this one. > > (I also get it). > > > > I can't do any long distance debutgging - the connection is too slow. > > > > Please do your "make world" with NOPERL set, and in the meanwhile > > assist with this: > > > > Get an original perl tarball, and mess with configuring it until > > it works; then "make clean", tar it up and put it somewhere where I > > can get it. > > > > I'll fix from there. > > > > M > > -- > > Mark Murray > > Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jun 30 13:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9701E37BDAF for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:52:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23097; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:52:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Peter Wemm Cc: "David O'Brien" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (FWD) Re: Alpha builds In-Reply-To: <20000630204949.13A6D1CD7@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org awesome, Peter, really cool! Thanks! On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Peter Wemm wrote: > All things being equal, the perl problem should be fixed. It was a problem > in the config.SH files - it had 'long' in the int32 type settings and > 'long long' for 64 bit types. In hindsight I should probably have set > them all to int32_t, int64_t etc. > > There is still a warning in the 'B' module that I do not like the look of, > but perl builds and miniperl runs for the dependency stuff. I finished a > buildworld/installworld about 5 minutes ago. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 1 7:26:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bastard.co.uk (node16292.a2000.nl [24.132.98.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5352337B8A6 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:26:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@bastard.co.uk) Received: from adrian by mail.bastard.co.uk with local (Exim 3.14 #1) id 138ODE-000NCR-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:25:40 +0200 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:25:40 +0200 From: Adrian Chadd To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.0-RELEASE on a axppci33 ? Message-ID: <20000701162540.E81619@zoe.bastard.co.uk> References: <20000630220925.B81619@zoe.bastard.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000630220925.B81619@zoe.bastard.co.uk>; from adrian@freebsd.org on Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 10:09:25PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 30, 2000, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > Hi > > I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE on this Alpha axppci33 I have > here. The install is fine, but when I try to boot off the hard > disk it hangs. > Right. It turns out I didn't have / at the beginning of the disk. God knows how sysinstall let me do that. Back to normality, Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 1 18:10: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com [139.134.5.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FDFD37BA7B for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tpnelson@student.cowan.edu.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ya002104 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 00:07:23 +1000 Received: from WEBH-T-009-p-99-204.tmns.net.au ([139.134.99.204]) by mail3.bigpond.com (Claudes-Colourful-MailRouter V2.8a 5/476039); 02 Jul 2000 00:07:19 Message-ID: <395DFB2D.4D2139C7@student.cowan.edu.au> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:07:41 +0800 From: Trent Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cache line size for the Alpha References: <395A0EE8.28E6C524@student.cowan.edu.au> <200006291628.JAA23243@vashon.polstra.com> <395B0487.9D94D2A8@student.cowan.edu.au> <200006301717.KAA25927@vashon.polstra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > > In article <395B0487.9D94D2A8@student.cowan.edu.au>, > Trent Nelson wrote: > > From what I've read, I think the biggest performance > > consideration is the locality of the resource in contention. For > > high contention locks, it seems desirable to ensure that the > > spinlock code and the resource in contention are placed on separate > > 128-byte cache block boundaries. > > The 128-byte figure confuses me. I thought the biggest cache line > size you mentioned before was 64 bytes. Is a cache "block" different > from a cache line? The 128-byte figure simply derives from Compaq's encouragement for Software Developers to "over-align" code in anticipation of future Alpha implementations with a 128-bit wide data bus. Effectively, in these environments, code that is octaword aligned will be given a higher execution priority in the pipeline than quadword aligned code. Aligning code to 128-byte boundaries will have no performance advantages in current Alpha implementations. That said, it will also incur no performance penalties and will be advantageous in later Alpha architectures. Otherwise, quadword alignment is fine. Your call. On a separate note, would it be possible to take a look at the code when you're finished? I don't have access to an Alpha so it makes it a little hard to keep track of the source in this particular branch. > John Regards, Trent. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message