From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 2:18:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E523037B5F6; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13IpF3-00009N-00; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:18:41 +0200 Received: from p3e9eebec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.158.235.236] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13IpF0-0007u4-00; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:18:39 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CB2AB91; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C9CA714BB3; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:18:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:18:42 +0200 To: Jim Mock Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en index.sgml Message-ID: <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jim@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 01:11:23AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Jim Mock (jim@FreeBSD.org): > Rewrite the first paragraph of the site to reflect reality. We don't just > support ``PC-compatible'' computers anymore. Hmm. Not sure if "DEC Alpha" is still quite correct. Are they really still called "DEC Alpha"? What could be a better name, in regard to the fact, that it's now Compaq. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 2:27:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809C937B5F4 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13IpND-0000AJ-00; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:27:07 +0200 Received: from p3e9eebec.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.158.235.236] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13IpNA-00084K-00; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:27:04 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2146BAB91; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:27:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8F9BB14BB3; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:27:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:27:08 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux/alpha emulation available Message-ID: <20000730112708.A3754@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <14717.2828.454006.745321@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000729192545.A14872@cichlids.cichlids.com> <14723.30801.185492.816588@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <14723.30801.185492.816588@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Sat, Jul 29, 2000 at 08:39:17PM -0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Andrew Gallatin (gallatin@cs.duke.edu): > > I see the osf1_wait4 syscall in sys/alpha/osf1, but I can't figure out > > how to enable it :) > You need to load the osf1.ko kernel module. I think I neglected to > mention this.. Sorry! Hmm. That was obvious :) However, unfortunately, it doesn't help. Same error. I'll take a further look. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 3:42: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7060637B5D4; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13IqXO-0004gy-00; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:41:42 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25706; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:36:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:36:41 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Alexander Langer Cc: Jim Mock , cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en index.sgml Message-ID: <20000730113641.A25692@freebie.demon.nl> Reply-To: wilko@freebsd.org References: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:18:42AM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:18:42AM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Jim Mock (jim@FreeBSD.org): > > > Rewrite the first paragraph of the site to reflect reality. We don't just > > support ``PC-compatible'' computers anymore. > > Hmm. Not sure if "DEC Alpha" is still quite correct. > Are they really still called "DEC Alpha"? The brandnames DEC and Digital have been dropped by Compaq. > What could be a better name, in regard to the fact, that it's now > Compaq. I would not bother. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 12: 5:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FBC37B69F; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@hiwaay.net) Received: from hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-5-126.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.5.126]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e6UJ56j24368; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:05:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA58585; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:05:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:05:05 -0500 From: Steve Price To: alpha@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: package build errors on the Alpha Message-ID: <20000730140505.B3224@bonsai.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For anyone that is interested I put a copy of the build error logs for the 4.1R/Alpha packages here: http://people.freebsd.org/~steve/alpha/4-full/ I'm going to work on finding them a more permanent home. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 14:49:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C45D37B795; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA40101; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:49:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:49:06 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Alexander Langer Cc: Jim Mock , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en index.sgml Message-ID: <20000730144906.A40081@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:18:42AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:18:42AM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > Hmm. Not sure if "DEC Alpha" is still quite correct. > Are they really still called "DEC Alpha"? Probably not. BUT this is what has the most recognition. Since DEC in their *infinite* wisdom picked such a shitty name, we should do all we can to keep people from thinking "alpha" as in early test versions of software. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 18:38:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from web2001.mail.yahoo.com (web2001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E72B837B8D2 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbagel@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3349 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2000 01:38:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000731013825.3348.qmail@web2001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.170.29.111] by web2001.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:38:25 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: GReg meno Subject: RE: testing going nowhere without my init To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org as I may or may not have said before(not sure where that mail went) my LX gives me "going nowhere without my init" every now and then... I have narrowed to problem to: If you are trying to install on a system with disks that have BSD disklabels that are weird(say ones created by a linux install. It freaks out... however if you create a DOS disklabel and then throw an ext2 filesystem on it the install goes without a hitch HTH Greg PS I'll test the fix as I have several disks with the weird BSDdisk labels just as soon as I can... --- Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 05:21:38PM -0700, Matthew > Jacob wrote: > > > > > Complete report: > > > > > > I installed on a 4100's 4th scsi disk by: > > > > > > + dd'ing boot.flp onto the third disk (from > NetBSD running on the > > > first disk) > > > > I deduct booting the floppies directly would not > work? > > No, not for me, David, or for you I believe. > > > > > > > + installing to the 4th disk via ftp. I created > one root partition and a swap > > > partition on that device. > > > > > > + installing thru ftp firewall to the specific > URL > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha > > > > > > + By selecting something other than 'all' (I > think I selected 'developer' for > > > the source sets). > > > > > > Things went well until halfway throught profiled > libs, when I guess the ftp > > > session borked (no way to get information from a > serial install) and I had to > > > restart it. Other than not being able to set nis > client info (which is a > > > generic problem) I was left with a usable and > bootable system. > > > > > > At least based on this, we can say that 4100s > *do* actually install. > > > > I could list this as a workaround in RELNOTES.. > what do people think? > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 18:46:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6441537B933 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:46:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11052 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:46:10 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 4.1-RELEASE Message-ID: <20000730214610.I2866@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now that 4.1-RELEASE is out, I'm considering setting some time aside to do a "make world" upgrade from sources. Are there any "gotchas" I should be aware of? Since this is my primary workstation, I'd hate to end up with an unusable system. :) I'll be upgrading from 4.0-RELEASE. Drew, do your "linulator" patches apply cleanly against 4.1-RELEASE, or would they require some massaging? Cheers, -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 20:48:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from msw.onthenet.com.au (pulsar.OntheNet.com.au [203.10.89.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA1037B81E for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonyg@onthenet.com.au) Received: from lancia.onthenet.com.au (unverified) by msw.onthenet.com.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:48:43 +1000 Received: from OntheNet.com.au (quasar.nt.com.au [203.14.201.5]) by lancia.onthenet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA65751; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:48:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3984F715.A65781D3@OntheNet.com.au> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:48:37 +1000 From: Tony Griffiths Organization: Network Technologies P/L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.1-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.1-RELEASE References: <20000730214610.I2866@radicalmedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene wrote: > > Now that 4.1-RELEASE is out, I'm considering setting some time aside to do > a "make world" upgrade from sources. Are there any "gotchas" I should be > aware of? Since this is my primary workstation, I'd hate to end up with an > unusable system. :) I'll be upgrading from 4.0-RELEASE. I did a "make world" yesterday using RELENG_4 and everything built correctly. As far as I know, the only thing that I have broken between 4.0 and 4.1 is VMware because of some networking interface changes! I havn't looked to see if there are patches available for fixing this as yet! Tony ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify postmaster@OntheNet.com.au This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 30 21: 5:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C8137B5AA for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11514; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:05:17 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Tony Griffiths Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.1-RELEASE Message-ID: <20000731000517.J2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000730214610.I2866@radicalmedia.com> <3984F715.A65781D3@OntheNet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <3984F715.A65781D3@OntheNet.com.au>; from Tony Griffiths on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 01:48:37PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 01:48:37PM +1000, Tony Griffiths wrote: > > I did a "make world" yesterday using RELENG_4 and everything built > correctly. > > As far as I know, the only thing that I have broken between 4.0 and 4.1 > is VMware because of some networking interface changes! I havn't looked > to see if there are patches available for fixing this as yet! > > Tony > I may be completely bonkers, but I thought vmware was only for intel machines. This is the Alpha list, so naturally I was referring to building 4.1-RELEASE on an Alpha, incase that wasn't blatantly obvious. :) -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 0:16:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BCB37BA90; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13J9oc-0004DK-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:16:46 +0200 Received: from p3e9c1167.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.103] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13J9ob-0005pH-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:16:45 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CB0AB91; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:16:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 32E4714A5E; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:16:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:16:43 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: David O'Brien Cc: Jim Mock , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en index.sgml Message-ID: <20000731091643.A1096@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000730144906.A40081@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000730144906.A40081@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 02:49:06PM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake David O'Brien (obrien@FreeBSD.org): > Probably not. BUT this is what has the most recognition. Since DEC in > their *infinite* wisdom picked such a shitty name, we should do all we > can to keep people from thinking "alpha" as in early test versions of > software. Hmm. Yes, good point. I thought, we could call them "Compaq Alpha" - I think, more people know Compaq than DEC. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 0:29: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from evil.2y.net (ztown2-3-155.adsl.one.net [216.23.16.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3ABC37B518; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:27:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@evil.2y.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by evil.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28503; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:35:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:35:27 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Alexander Langer Cc: "David O'Brien" , Jim Mock , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en index.sgml Message-ID: <20000731033527.A28474@cokane.yi.org> References: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000730144906.A40081@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000731091643.A1096@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000731091643.A1096@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:18:02AM -0400 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may be slightly off topic, but I always consider it Alpha as in Number 1, First, etc... in other words best. Alexander Langer had the audacity to say: > Thus spake David O'Brien (obrien@FreeBSD.org): > > > Probably not. BUT this is what has the most recognition. Since DEC in > > their *infinite* wisdom picked such a shitty name, we should do all we > > can to keep people from thinking "alpha" as in early test versions of > > software. > > Hmm. Yes, good point. > I thought, we could call them "Compaq Alpha" - I think, more people > know Compaq than DEC. > > Alex > -- > cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory > -- Coleman Kane President, UC Free O.S. Users Group - http://pohl.ececs.uc.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 1:52:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCF337BB0B for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA12593; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:52:41 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux/alpha emulation available Message-ID: <20000731045241.L2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <14717.2828.454006.745321@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14717.2828.454006.745321@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 12:04:47AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 12:04:47AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I have been working on getting the linulator going on FreeBSD/alpha. > What I have right now is in an alpha-test state. I'm looking for > feedback on how it works and pointers to important apps to try. > Have you or anyone else checked if alphalinux's JDK runs with the linulator? JDK 1.1 or 1.2, take your pick... Curious, -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 2:12:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0033337BB70 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12783 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:12:54 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: em86 Message-ID: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While we're on the subject of emulation, is anyone interested in starting an effort to port alphalinux's em86 to freebsd/alpha? Methinks the ability to run linux/x86 apps on our machines would be a boon. Comments? -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 2:51: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from miles.cs.washington.edu (miles.cs.washington.edu [128.95.4.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A8937BB47 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolman@miles.cs.washington.edu) Received: from miles.cs.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miles.cs.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19007 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolman@miles.cs.washington.edu) Message-Id: <200007310951.CAA19007@miles.cs.washington.edu> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 4.1-RELEASE sysinstall problem on xp1000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:51:27 -0700 From: "Alec Wolman" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to install 4.1-RELEASE on an XP1000, and the machine has 3 SCSI disks attached to it. I want to install FreeBSD on disk 0, but only "da1" and "da2" show up in the menu when I choose "Label disk partitions". Before booting, from the console the "show device" command shows all three disks properly. When I boot an older 4.0 kernel on the same hardware, da0 is sensed properly so I don't think there is a hardware problem. Can anyone help me track this problem down? Is it possible from the emergency shell to see what the kernel boot messages were? Is there a "debug" mode for sysinstall that could help me track down the problem? Thanks in advance, Alec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 6:48:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F1F37B6FA for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02236; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA82010; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:48:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT) To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux/alpha emulation available In-Reply-To: <20000731045241.L2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <14717.2828.454006.745321@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731045241.L2866@radicalmedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14725.33592.387572.499407@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene writes: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 12:04:47AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > I have been working on getting the linulator going on FreeBSD/alpha. > > What I have right now is in an alpha-test state. I'm looking for > > feedback on how it works and pointers to important apps to try. > > > > Have you or anyone else checked if alphalinux's JDK runs with the linulator? > JDK 1.1 or 1.2, take your pick... No, I have not. I looked at blackdown.org & only saw directories for i386 and sparc (at least for 1.2..) . Do you have a pointer to it? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 6:50:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F0837B620 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02295; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA82023; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <20000730214610.I2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000730214610.I2866@radicalmedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14725.33727.141338.368273@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene writes: > Now that 4.1-RELEASE is out, I'm considering setting some time aside to do > a "make world" upgrade from sources. Are there any "gotchas" I should be > aware of? Since this is my primary workstation, I'd hate to end up with an > unusable system. :) I'll be upgrading from 4.0-RELEASE. I did a buildworld from a 4.0-RELEASE system & it went just fine. I haven't scheduled downtime yet, so I don't know if the installworld will work (I suspect it will). > Drew, do your "linulator" patches apply cleanly against 4.1-RELEASE, or would > they require some massaging? They should probably just work. They were taken against a code-freeze -stable slightly before 4.1-RELEASE Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 6:54: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEC537BAD1 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:53:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02393; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA82031; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 In-Reply-To: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene writes: > While we're on the subject of emulation, is anyone interested in starting > an effort to port alphalinux's em86 to freebsd/alpha? Methinks the ability > to run linux/x86 apps on our machines would be a boon. > > Comments? > -Mark I've tried running em86 under emulation and saw a problem with the linux dynamic loader. I then tried it on my linux/alpha test box & got the same error. Now that we can run realplayer, acrobat, netscape, etc, my motivation for getting em86 working has decreased remarkebly.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 8:26:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B36437BC28 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:26:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15190; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:26:32 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux/alpha emulation available Message-ID: <20000731112632.N2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <14717.2828.454006.745321@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731045241.L2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33592.387572.499407@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14725.33592.387572.499407@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:48:21AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Certainly. Go to ftp://ftp.alphalinux.org/pub/java Blackdown didn't do the port, that's why it isn't on their site. Cheers, -Mark On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:48:21AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Mark Abene writes: > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 12:04:47AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > I have been working on getting the linulator going on FreeBSD/alpha. > > > What I have right now is in an alpha-test state. I'm looking for > > > feedback on how it works and pointers to important apps to try. > > > > > > > Have you or anyone else checked if alphalinux's JDK runs with the linulator? > > JDK 1.1 or 1.2, take your pick... > > No, I have not. I looked at blackdown.org & only saw directories for > i386 and sparc (at least for 1.2..) . Do you have a pointer to it? > > > Drew > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 8:29:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113D737BBB0 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15283; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:29:27 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 Message-ID: <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:53:58AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:53:58AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Mark Abene writes: > > While we're on the subject of emulation, is anyone interested in starting > > an effort to port alphalinux's em86 to freebsd/alpha? Methinks the ability > > to run linux/x86 apps on our machines would be a boon. > > > > Comments? > > -Mark > > I've tried running em86 under emulation and saw a problem with the > linux dynamic loader. I then tried it on my linux/alpha test box & > got the same error. > > Now that we can run realplayer, acrobat, netscape, etc, my motivation > for getting em86 working has decreased remarkebly.. > > Drew > Was this the latest 2.2-1 em86? My rationale for getting it to work is for office productivity apps, such as WordPerfect and StarOffice. We're in bad need of such a thing. -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 8:42:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356A837BD8D for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04886; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA82786; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:42:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:42:22 -0400 (EDT) To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 In-Reply-To: <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene writes: > > Was this the latest 2.2-1 em86? My rationale for getting it to work is for > office productivity apps, such as WordPerfect and StarOffice. We're in bad > need of such a thing. Applix at least seems to work.. Do you know if these work under em86 on alpha-linux? In fact, do you know of an em86 that works at all under RH-6.x? I think that em86 stopped working (even on linux/alpha) after RH 5.2.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 8:44:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F50B37B7D0; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13JHjX-0006zd-01; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:44:04 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA73520; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:13:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:13:38 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Alexander Langer , Jim Mock , cvs-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en index.sgml Message-ID: <20000731121338.A73506@freebie.demon.nl> Reply-To: wilko@freebsd.org References: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000730144906.A40081@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000730144906.A40081@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 02:49:06PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 02:49:06PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 11:18:42AM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > > Hmm. Not sure if "DEC Alpha" is still quite correct. > > Are they really still called "DEC Alpha"? > > Probably not. BUT this is what has the most recognition. Since DEC in > their *infinite* wisdom picked such a shitty name, we should do all we > can to keep people from thinking "alpha" as in early test versions of > software. The official name is and has always been Alpha/AXP -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 9:30:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cgi.sstar.com (cgi.sstar.com [209.205.176.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CB537B937 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Received: from bluto.jimking.net (bluto.jimking.net [216.54.255.8]) by cgi.sstar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06320 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:30:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Received: from jking (jking.lgc.com [134.132.75.164]) by bluto.jimking.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01951 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:30:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Message-ID: <007601bffb0c$964002e0$a44b8486@jking> From: "Jim King" To: Subject: Serial I/O problems Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:30:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I connected a GPS receiver to my AlphaStation 200 to use with ntpd. The receiver is connected at 9600 bps, but is not sending data constantly so the amount of data actually received by the AS200 is a lot less than 960 bytes/sec; the receiver also outputs a 1PPS signal. I've got kernel options PPS_SYNC and COM_MULTIPORT; that latter is for an STB 4Com card in an ISA slot. The 4Com is configured so all 4 ports are on IRQ 10. I modified sio.c to set the UART FIFO trigger level at 8 bytes instead of 14 bytes. (With the trigger at 14 bytes I could tons of silo overflow messages; I get an occasional one with the trigger at 8 bytes.) The problem is that after running ntpd for a while - typically between an hour and 12 hours - the AS200 locks up *tight*, no keyboard response, no ping response. It seems to lock up sooner when the GPS receiver is connected to one of the ports on the STB card, but it has also locked up using the built-in COM2. A couple times I had DDB enabled; once it looked like it was stuck in siopoll(), the other time I couldn't tell where it was (I'm pretty new to DDB). I have not tried taking out COM_MULTIPORT. Would that help? (And will I be able to find IRQ's for all four ports on the STB card?) I remember seeing some messages about high speed serial problems on the Alpha. This isn't high speed, but it's definitely problematic. Is this kind of serial I/O just a bad idea on the Alpha? fwiw I ran the GPS receiver on an x86 box for a couple days with no problem; that was using a built-in serial port and no COM_MULTIPORT. (The x86 box is unavailable so I'm not able to try the STB card in it at the moment.) Any ideas? Is this worth pursuing or would I be better off sticking the GPS recevier on an x86 box? Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 9:44:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23FD37BC4A for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA75765; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:43:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:43:49 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Alexander Langer , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en index.sgml Message-ID: <20000731094349.B41121@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000730144906.A40081@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000731091643.A1096@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000731091643.A1096@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:16:43AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:16:43AM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > I thought, we could call them "Compaq Alpha" - I think, more people > know Compaq than DEC. I couldn't disagree more. Those that know Real Unix workstations know DEC better than Compaq (a toy manufactor). -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 10:15:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D7F37BBBA; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:15:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13JJAN-0006D8-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:15:51 +0200 Received: from p3e9c1167.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.103] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13JJAM-0005r0-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:15:50 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9028AAB91; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:16:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C452814BB0; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:15:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:15:49 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: David O'Brien Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: www/en index.sgml Message-ID: <20000731191549.A46727@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007290811.BAA19838@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000730111842.C1676@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000730144906.A40081@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000731091643.A1096@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000731094349.B41121@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000731094349.B41121@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:43:49AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake David O'Brien (obrien@FreeBSD.org): > > I thought, we could call them "Compaq Alpha" - I think, more people > > know Compaq than DEC. > I couldn't disagree more. > Those that know Real Unix workstations know DEC better than Compaq (a toy > manufactor). Yes, of course. I thought we're talking about newbies that could confuse "alpha software" == FreeBSD and Alpha Computers. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 15:26:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5DA37B762 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21870; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:26:49 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 Message-ID: <20000731182649.P2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:42:22AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:42:22AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Mark Abene writes: > > > > Was this the latest 2.2-1 em86? My rationale for getting it to work is for > > office productivity apps, such as WordPerfect and StarOffice. We're in bad > > need of such a thing. > > Applix at least seems to work.. Are you referring to Applix for Tru64, or is there an alphalinux Applix? The problem is Applix is commercial, and WordPerfect and StarOffice are both totally free for personal use on Linux/x86, hence my argument for them. > > Do you know if these work under em86 on alpha-linux? In fact, do you > know of an em86 that works at all under RH-6.x? I think that em86 > stopped working (even on linux/alpha) after RH 5.2.. > > Drew > I was using em86 on RedHat 6.0 with kernel 2.2.9 a while ago, and x86 apps ran perfectly *except* for the fact that they couldn't create files, which made them pretty useless. I don't think anyone ever pursued this problem, though it affected everyone (not just me). I will say that the speed at which WordPerfect ran under em86 was very impressive, even though I couldn't save anything. :) So I still think em86 would be a worthy pursuit... -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 18: 8: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B6D37B7B0 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:07:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15808; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA87519; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:07:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:07:57 -0400 (EDT) To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 In-Reply-To: <20000731182649.P2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731182649.P2866@radicalmedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14726.8485.261054.310851@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene writes: > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:42:22AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > Mark Abene writes: > > > > > > Was this the latest 2.2-1 em86? My rationale for getting it to work is for > > > office productivity apps, such as WordPerfect and StarOffice. We're in bad > > > need of such a thing. > > > > Applix at least seems to work.. > > Are you referring to Applix for Tru64, or is there an alphalinux Applix? Is there an Applix for Tru64? I was talking about the lunx/alpha Applix. <..> > I was using em86 on RedHat 6.0 with kernel 2.2.9 a while ago, and x86 apps > ran perfectly *except* for the fact that they couldn't create files, which > made them pretty useless. I don't think anyone ever pursued this problem, You can say that again ;-) > though it affected everyone (not just me). I will say that the speed at > which WordPerfect ran under em86 was very impressive, even though I couldn't > save anything. :) So I still think em86 would be a worthy pursuit... Do you know if the source is available? BTW, when I run em86 both under emulation and on my rh6.2 test box, I see: BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: ../sysdeps/alpha/dl-machine.h:493: elf_machine_rela: Assertion `! "unexpected dynamic reloc type"' Not exacly confidence inspireing ;) Can you point me at a version em86 that actually works under a modern RH (6.1 or better) linux? Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 19:31:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3906E37BDCA for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23849; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:26 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 Message-ID: <20000731223126.T2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731182649.P2866@radicalmedia.com> <14726.8485.261054.310851@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14726.8485.261054.310851@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:07:57PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 09:07:57PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Is there an Applix for Tru64? I was talking about the lunx/alpha > Applix. > I know there was a slightly less current version of Applix that was listed as being for "DEC Alpha", which I presume is for Tru64. > > Do you know if the source is available? > Looking at the Makefile in the source rpm from the latest em86 (2.2-1), you can either use BOCHS for the cpu emulator (which I assume blows chunks, since bochs doesn't use dynamic instruction translation), or the default "EM86_RUNTIME", which says it uses "Compaq's" emulator and no other source is needed. This also depends on the define "USE_FX_CPU", which I'm assuming is an implementation of digital's fx!32. The source for this is needed in addition to the source for em86 itself. You should grab the source rpm from the url I provide below for the latest em86, and get the source for fx!32 from the v2.2-0/SRPMS directory. I'm assuming nothing about fx!32 has changed between v2.2-0 and v2.2-1 of em86, since the fx srpm isn't provided in the v2.2-1 directory. Looking at the "source" rpm for fx!32, it doesn't look like the full sources are provided; just a few header files, and a libem486.a plus a linux486.idx, which I assume make up the core of fx!32's 486 emulator. There isn't enough there to rebuild it, but I'm guessing we probably won't need to, given your strides in getting alphalinux emulation to work. > BTW, when I run em86 both under emulation and on my rh6.2 test box, I > see: > > BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: ../sysdeps/alpha/dl-machine.h:493: elf_machine_rela: Assertion `! "unexpected dynamic reloc type"' > > Not exacly confidence inspireing ;) > > Can you point me at a version em86 that actually works under a modern > RH (6.1 or better) linux? > If I remember correctly, this is a known problem when trying to use an older em86 with a newer glibc-2.1 based system. I believe the support libraries are unchanged, but you will need to upgrade the em86 rpm which is at... ftp://ftp.alphalinux.org/pub/Linux-Alpha/em86/v2.2-1/ (also mirrored elsewhere) You should find the source rpm in there as well. Cheers, -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 20:29:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4292D37BDCA for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:29:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolman@cs.washington.edu) Received: from sampras.cs.washington.edu (sampras.cs.washington.edu [128.95.4.160]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/0.3j) with ESMTP id UAA09250 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolman@cs.washington.edu) Received: from sampras.cs.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sampras.cs.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09102 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolman@sampras.cs.washington.edu) Message-Id: <200008010329.UAA09102@sampras.cs.washington.edu> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: sym driver problem with 4.1 release Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:29:22 -0700 From: "Alec Wolman" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The problem that I posted yesterday about sysinstall is now looking to me as if it is a problem with the sym driver. I managed to view the boot message before sysinstall runs, and here is the problem: da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 10.000MB/sec transfers (10.000MHz, offset 31) Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, (da0:sym0:0:0:0): . CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (da0:sym0:0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,2 (da0:sym0:0:0:0): This disk (da0) has tru64 currently installed on it, and if I boot off of it, it works fine. When I boot off of da1 (which has a version of 4.0-STABLE CVSup'ed around Jun 18th, 2000), it probes properly at 40MHz, offset 31, 16 bit, with a size of 8678MB. Alec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 31 21:10:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3822C37BDF0; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:10:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23648; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:10:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Alec Wolman Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sym driver problem with 4.1 release In-Reply-To: <200008010329.UAA09102@sampras.cs.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's not a sym problem- it's a da problem (if that). This is the wrong group to address this in. On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Alec Wolman wrote: > > The problem that I posted yesterday about sysinstall is now looking to > me as if it is a problem with the sym driver. I managed to view > the boot message before sysinstall runs, and here is the problem: > > da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 10.000MB/sec transfers (10.000MHz, offset 31) Tagged Queueing Enabled > da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, > (da0:sym0:0:0:0): . CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > (da0:sym0:0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,2 > (da0:sym0:0:0:0): > > > This disk (da0) has tru64 currently installed on it, and if > I boot off of it, it works fine. > > When I boot off of da1 (which has a version of 4.0-STABLE CVSup'ed around > Jun 18th, 2000), it probes properly at 40MHz, offset 31, 16 bit, with a > size of 8678MB. > > Alec > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 1 7: 8:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678CE37B640 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:08:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25551; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA88793; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT) To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 In-Reply-To: <20000731223126.T2866@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731182649.P2866@radicalmedia.com> <14726.8485.261054.310851@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731223126.T2866@radicalmedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14726.53916.585060.311869@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene writes: > > If I remember correctly, this is a known problem when trying to use an older > em86 with a newer glibc-2.1 based system. I believe the support libraries > are unchanged, but you will need to upgrade the em86 rpm which is at... > ftp://ftp.alphalinux.org/pub/Linux-Alpha/em86/v2.2-1/ > (also mirrored elsewhere) I just tried, and the newer em86 helped somewhat. But I"m still stuck.. I grabbed the list of rpms from ftp://ftp.alphalinux.org/pub/Linux-Alpha/em86/v2.2-1/relnotes.2.2.1.html and I then installed: em86-2.2-1 em86-fx-2.2-0 em86-libc-x86-2.2-0 em86-libc-base-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-X11-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-ImageMagick-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-p2c-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-svgalib-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-tcltk-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-xview-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-binutils-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-f2c-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-libgr-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-libpng-libs-2.2-0 em86-libc-misc-libs-2.2-0 Each of the "noarch" (x86 shared lib) rpms failed to install properly (install script failed) because ldconfig86 doesn't work. Here's what seems to happen: % setenv X86_TRACE_SYSCALLS all % em86 /usr/bin/ldconfig86 [27423] SYSCALL: personality(0x0 ) ....returns 0x0 [27423] SYSCALL: getpid() ....returns 0x6b1f [27423] SYSCALL: geteuid() ....returns 0x56b [27423] SYSCALL: getuid() ....returns 0x56b [27423] SYSCALL: getegid() ....returns 0x32 [27423] SYSCALL: getgid() ....returns 0x32 [27423] SYSCALL: brk(0x0 ) => brk(0x0, 0, 0x806277c, 0x80, 134621052, 2097148832) ....returns 0x8063960 [27423] SYSCALL: brk(0x80639e0 ) => brk(0x80639e0, 134625632, 0x8063960, 0x80, 134621052, 2097148832) ....returns 0x80639e0 [27423] SYSCALL: brk(0x8064000 ) => brk(0x8064000, 1568, 0x80639e0, 0x620, 134621052, 2097148832) ....returns 0x8064000 [27423] SYSCALL: open("/usr/x86/ld.so.conf" 0 438 ) ....returns 0x3 [27423] SYSCALL: newfstat(3 0x7cfff434 ) => do_newfstat(0x3, 0x7cfff434, 0x7cfff490, 0x8063968, 0, 2097149044) ....returns 0x0 [27423] SYSCALL: newfstat(3 0x7cfff310 ) => do_newfstat(0x3, 0x7cfff310, 0x7cfff380, 0x80639d8, 134625640, 2097148752) ....returns 0x0 [27423] SYSCALL: old_mmap(0x7cfff35c ) => do_old_mmap(0x0, 8192, 0x3, 0x22, -1, 0) ....returns 0x40024000 [27423] SYSCALL: read(3 0x40024000 8192 ) ....returns 0x17 [27423] SYSCALL: close(3 ) ....returns 0x0 [27423] SYSCALL: munmap(0x40024000 8192 ) => do_munmap(0x40024000, 8192, 0x8063968, 0x0, 0, 2097148944) ....returns 0x0 [27423] SYSCALL: newstat("/usr/x86/usr/X11R6/lib" 0x7cfff3f8 ) => do_newstat(0x80639d8, 0x2097148920, 0x7cfff45c, 0x80639d8, 0, 2097148984) ....returns 0x0 [27423] SYSCALL: open("/usr/x86/usr/X11R6/lib" 2048 134625752 ) ....returns 0x3 [27423] SYSCALL: fcntl(3 2 0x1 ) ....returns 0x0 [27423] SYSCALL: brk(0x8067000 ) => brk(0x8067000, 4096, 0x8064000, 0x3000, 134625776, 2097148840) ....returns 0x8067000 [27423] SYSCALL: lseek(3 0 1 ) ....returns 0x0 [27423] SYSCALL: getdents(3 0x7cffd5b0 7865 ) Signal 11 received Alpha state: PC = 0x405002d0, instr = 0xb52c0000 <....> % ldd `which em86` /lib/libNoVersion.so.1 => /lib/libNoVersion.so.1 (0x000000004011e000) libm.so.6.1 => /lib/libm.so.6.1 (0x0000000040220000) libdl.so.2.1 => /lib/libdl.so.2.1 (0x0000000040358000) libc.so.6.1 => /lib/libc.so.6.1 (0x000000004045c000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x0000000040000000) Do you have any ideas? The above mentioned doc says: NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE This version only works on glibc-2.0. NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE I wouldn't know a glibc if it came up and bit me in the butt. Could this be the problem? Do I need an older libc? Blech.. Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 1 11: 0:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E155037BFC3 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00516; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:00:37 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 Message-ID: <20000801140037.C25790@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731182649.P2866@radicalmedia.com> <14726.8485.261054.310851@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731223126.T2866@radicalmedia.com> <14726.53916.585060.311869@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14726.53916.585060.311869@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:08:46AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a long shot, but it's possible you didn't enable the option CONFIG_BINFMT_EM86 in your kernel. As far as that warning message, not sure why you got that. I was running RedHat 6.0, and that uses glibc-2.1. Also, if you look at the source RPM for em86-2.2-1 itself, there is a define for glibc-2.1. I know it's definitely supported. It's also possible that it's totally broken in newer kernels. But hopefully not. -Mark On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:08:46AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I just tried, and the newer em86 helped somewhat. But I"m still stuck.. > > I grabbed the list of rpms from > ftp://ftp.alphalinux.org/pub/Linux-Alpha/em86/v2.2-1/relnotes.2.2.1.html > and I then installed: > > em86-2.2-1 > em86-fx-2.2-0 > em86-libc-x86-2.2-0 > em86-libc-base-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-X11-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-ImageMagick-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-p2c-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-svgalib-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-tcltk-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-xview-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-binutils-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-f2c-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-libgr-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-libpng-libs-2.2-0 > em86-libc-misc-libs-2.2-0 > > > Each of the "noarch" (x86 shared lib) rpms failed to install properly > (install script failed) because ldconfig86 doesn't work. Here's what > seems to happen: > > % setenv X86_TRACE_SYSCALLS all > % em86 /usr/bin/ldconfig86 > [27423] SYSCALL: personality(0x0 ) > ....returns 0x0 > [27423] SYSCALL: getpid() > ....returns 0x6b1f > [27423] SYSCALL: geteuid() > ....returns 0x56b > [27423] SYSCALL: getuid() > ....returns 0x56b > [27423] SYSCALL: getegid() > ....returns 0x32 > [27423] SYSCALL: getgid() > ....returns 0x32 > [27423] SYSCALL: brk(0x0 ) > => brk(0x0, 0, 0x806277c, 0x80, 134621052, 2097148832) > ....returns 0x8063960 > [27423] SYSCALL: brk(0x80639e0 ) > => brk(0x80639e0, 134625632, 0x8063960, 0x80, 134621052, 2097148832) > ....returns 0x80639e0 > [27423] SYSCALL: brk(0x8064000 ) > => brk(0x8064000, 1568, 0x80639e0, 0x620, 134621052, 2097148832) > ....returns 0x8064000 > [27423] SYSCALL: open("/usr/x86/ld.so.conf" 0 438 ) > ....returns 0x3 > [27423] SYSCALL: newfstat(3 0x7cfff434 ) > => do_newfstat(0x3, 0x7cfff434, 0x7cfff490, 0x8063968, 0, 2097149044) > ....returns 0x0 > [27423] SYSCALL: newfstat(3 0x7cfff310 ) > => do_newfstat(0x3, 0x7cfff310, 0x7cfff380, 0x80639d8, 134625640, 2097148752) > ....returns 0x0 > [27423] SYSCALL: old_mmap(0x7cfff35c ) > => do_old_mmap(0x0, 8192, 0x3, 0x22, -1, 0) > ....returns 0x40024000 > [27423] SYSCALL: read(3 0x40024000 8192 ) > ....returns 0x17 > [27423] SYSCALL: close(3 ) > ....returns 0x0 > [27423] SYSCALL: munmap(0x40024000 8192 ) > => do_munmap(0x40024000, 8192, 0x8063968, 0x0, 0, 2097148944) > ....returns 0x0 > [27423] SYSCALL: newstat("/usr/x86/usr/X11R6/lib" 0x7cfff3f8 ) > => do_newstat(0x80639d8, 0x2097148920, 0x7cfff45c, 0x80639d8, 0, 2097148984) > ....returns 0x0 > [27423] SYSCALL: open("/usr/x86/usr/X11R6/lib" 2048 134625752 ) > ....returns 0x3 > [27423] SYSCALL: fcntl(3 2 0x1 ) > ....returns 0x0 > [27423] SYSCALL: brk(0x8067000 ) > => brk(0x8067000, 4096, 0x8064000, 0x3000, 134625776, 2097148840) > ....returns 0x8067000 > [27423] SYSCALL: lseek(3 0 1 ) > ....returns 0x0 > [27423] SYSCALL: getdents(3 0x7cffd5b0 7865 ) > Signal 11 received > Alpha state: PC = 0x405002d0, instr = 0xb52c0000 > <....> > > % ldd `which em86` > /lib/libNoVersion.so.1 => /lib/libNoVersion.so.1 (0x000000004011e000) > libm.so.6.1 => /lib/libm.so.6.1 (0x0000000040220000) > libdl.so.2.1 => /lib/libdl.so.2.1 (0x0000000040358000) > libc.so.6.1 => /lib/libc.so.6.1 (0x000000004045c000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x0000000040000000) > > > Do you have any ideas? The above mentioned doc says: > NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE > This version only works on glibc-2.0. > NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE NOTE > > I wouldn't know a glibc if it came up and bit me in the butt. Could > this be the problem? Do I need an older libc? Blech.. > > Thanks, > > Drew > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 1 12: 6:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC40537B922 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03015; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA89394; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 In-Reply-To: <20000801140037.C25790@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731182649.P2866@radicalmedia.com> <14726.8485.261054.310851@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731223126.T2866@radicalmedia.com> <14726.53916.585060.311869@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000801140037.C25790@radicalmedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14727.5008.699253.856165@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene writes: > This is a long shot, but it's possible you didn't enable the option > CONFIG_BINFMT_EM86 in your kernel. As far as that warning message, not > sure why you got that. I was running RedHat 6.0, and that uses glibc-2.1. > Also, if you look at the source RPM for em86-2.2-1 itself, there is a define > for glibc-2.1. I know it's definitely supported. It's also possible that > it's totally broken in newer kernels. But hopefully not. It looks like you can load it as a module (binfmt_em86.o) I did that, and now the "em86" is implicit... (eg, I can run /usr/bin/ldconfig86 directly) Unfortunately, the same thing happens: a segv after it calls getdents. This machine is running a virgin install of RH 6.2 as it came off the ISO image at the redhat mirrors. Its running kernel 2.2.14-6.0 I'm about to give up.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 1 12:56:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCFB37BDD6 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA39698 for alpha@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200008011955.MAA39698@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Problems with a PW500au To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 12:55:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey gang, I have a PW500au here at work that I use to test patches on, etc. but I've been having problems with it recently. First, I've yet to get a video card that actually works properly in it. So far: 1) A full-length 32-bit PCI card: S3 Trio64V2/GX with an IBM DAC that came with the box. (This box started life as a 500a running AlphaBIOS and NT.) This card mostly worked. Occasionally when it booted (about 40% of the time), every character on the screen would be an upper-ascii star character. However, all the colors were ok. If I logged in as root and typed 'clear', the characters were ok, but the palette would then be randomly trashed. I.e., each time the palette chose a different set of 16 colors to use. Also, if I turned on moused, then moving the mouse would generate all sorts of screen corruption. The characters under the mouse cursor would change to garbage characters and colors, usually with a green background and all different foreground colors. After talking with dfr about my difficulties at Usenix, he suggested that a new video card might improve things. 2) S3 Virge GX, 32-bit PCI: This one was better in some areas and worse in others. The characters and color are fine with this card, however, it has other problems. During bootup, the kernel messages are printed with the SRM colors (white on blue) rather than grey on black as the other alpha's running BSD do. Also, the startup messages during /etc/rc are also in SRM colors. Once getty starts up on ttyv0, it scrolls up the screen until the last line of the kernel boot message is the last line on the screen, and then changes to grey on black colors and prints a login line over top of the bottom three lines of the screen. If I login, it works ok from here. However, one odd thing is that when the sc0 driver is probed during the kernel boot, a blinking hardware cursor shows up in lower left-hand corner of the screen and stays there permamently. In multiuser mode there is a separeate non-blinking software cursor that works properly. Also, with this card I can't get a usable console in single user mode. If fsck fails during boot, for example, it will get to the 'Press enter for /bin/sh:' prompt (curiously the blinking hardware cursor is in the right place at the prompt), but pressing enter doesn't generate any response. Also, if I use shutdown to enter single user mode, I get the same behavior. 3) S3 Trio64 (Diamond Stealth 64) PCI 32-bit: No SRM video at all during bootup. 4) S3 #9 GXE64 PCI 32-bit: Same as 3). I haven't manually turned on serial console, but perhaps it has conveniently switched it on for me. *sigh* My second issue is that it seems to die during high load, i.e. when building world, or compiling X or Xemacs. It will simply die and drop into SRM with kernel stack invalid halt PC = 0xffffXXXXXXXXXX XXXXX -- HWPRB invalid. It then has to be cold-booted to be usable again. Any help or suggestions appreciated. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 1 13:46:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00FA37BAAD for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05505; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA89588; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:46:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:46:34 -0400 (EDT) To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with a PW500au In-Reply-To: <200008011955.MAA39698@pike.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200008011955.MAA39698@pike.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14727.13758.246560.904934@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin writes: > Hey gang, > > I have a PW500au here at work that I use to test patches on, etc. but > I've been having problems with it recently. First, I've yet to get a video > card that actually works properly in it. So far: What PCI slots are the problematic cards plugged into? I've heard that most video cards don't work well or at all behind the ppb which separates the 3 32-bit slots from the primary pci bus. Try putting your card in a 64-bit slot. Read /usr/src/release/texts/alpha/HARDWARE.TXT and search for pci_device_override before doing this. <...> > > My second issue is that it seems to die during high load, i.e. when building > world, or compiling X or Xemacs. It will simply die and drop into SRM with > > kernel stack invalid halt > PC = 0xffffXXXXXXXXXX > XXXXX -- HWPRB invalid. > > It then has to be cold-booted to be usable again. Thats BAD. Are you running the latest firmware (it also corrects some video problems.). see ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/index.html It might be helpful to know what version of FreeBSD you're running & what sort of hardware is connected. Cheers, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 1 14:56:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B1737B6C9 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA43506; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200008012155.OAA43506@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: Problems with a PW500au In-Reply-To: <14727.13758.246560.904934@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> from Andrew Gallatin at "Aug 1, 2000 04:46:34 pm" To: Andrew Gallatin Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > Hey gang, > > > > I have a PW500au here at work that I use to test patches on, etc. but > > I've been having problems with it recently. First, I've yet to get a video > > card that actually works properly in it. So far: > > What PCI slots are the problematic cards plugged into? I've heard > that most video cards don't work well or at all behind the ppb which > separates the 3 32-bit slots from the primary pci bus. Well, moving to the 64-bit slots did change things somewhat. Now all but 2 of the S3 cards work the same as in situation 2) in my original mail. The other 2 don't have PCI ID's recognized by SRM. However, now the original card has problems with the console. So, I tried booting off a 4.1-RC CD, and voila, my kernel messages are now in syscons colors and the scrollback works. It seems that syscons is broken on Alpha in -current at the moment. :( Ok, further testing reveals that Peter's drive-by shooting of config(8) is the cause of the breakage. > Try putting your card in a 64-bit slot. Read > /usr/src/release/texts/alpha/HARDWARE.TXT and search for > pci_device_override before doing this. > > <...> > > > > > My second issue is that it seems to die during high load, i.e. when building > > world, or compiling X or Xemacs. It will simply die and drop into SRM with > > > > kernel stack invalid halt > > PC = 0xffffXXXXXXXXXX > > XXXXX -- HWPRB invalid. > > > > It then has to be cold-booted to be usable again. > > Thats BAD. Are you running the latest firmware (it also corrects some > video problems.). see ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/index.html Digital Personal WorkStation 500au Console V7.2-1 Mar 6 2000 14:47:02 >>> I already have the latest. :( Is it possible I have bad hardware in this box? > It might be helpful to know what version of FreeBSD you're running & > what sort of hardware is connected. Pardon the spam: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #3: Thu Jul 13 14:26:48 PDT 2000 jhb@baz.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BAZ Digital Personal Workstation (Miata) Digital Personal WorkStation 500au, 500MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=0 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020116 real memory = 266493952 (260248K bytes) avail memory = 253870080 (247920K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000686000. cia0: Pyxis, pass 1 cia0: extended capabilities: 1 cia0: WARNING: Pyxis pass 1 DMA bug; no bets... pcib0: <2117x PCI host bus adapter> on cia0 pci0: on pcib0 dc0: port 0x9000-0x907f mem 0x84150000-0x8415007f irq 0 at device 3.0 on pci0 dc0: interrupting at CIA irq 0 dc0: Ethernet address: 00:00:f8:75:e0:5a miibus0: on dc0 nsphy0: on miibus0 nsphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto atapci0: port 0x9080-0x908f irq 1 at device 4.0 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at 11.0 irq 4 pcib1: at device 20.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isp0: port 0x8000-0x80ff mem 0x84010000-0x84010fff irq 16 at device 9.0 on pci1 isp0: interrupting at CIA irq 16 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: interrupting at ISA irq 12 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 ppc0: at port 0x3bc-0x3bf irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppi0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Polled port ppc0: interrupting at ISA irq 7 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o Timecounter "alpha" frequency 499878528 Hz acd0: CDROM at ata0-master using PIO3 Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) > Cheers, > > Drew -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 1 15:20:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F8F37BAFE for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:20:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13JkOW-0007n7-00; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 22:20:16 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA92767; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:02:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:01:05 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with a PW500au Message-ID: <20000802000105.A92724@freebie.demon.nl> Reply-To: wilko@freebsd.org References: <200008011955.MAA39698@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008011955.MAA39698@pike.osd.bsdi.com>; from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 12:55:59PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 12:55:59PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > Hey gang, > > I have a PW500au here at work that I use to test patches on, etc. but > I've been having problems with it recently. First, I've yet to get a video > card that actually works properly in it. So far: Number #1 thing that comes to mind is check in which PCI slot you stick the cards. In my experience the 64 bit slots tend to work, 32 bit slots don't. The 64 bit slots are 'before' the PCI bridge. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 1 15:24:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A62A37BB2E for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:24:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA44671; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200008012224.PAA44671@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: Problems with a PW500au In-Reply-To: <200008012155.OAA43506@pike.osd.bsdi.com> from John Baldwin at "Aug 1, 2000 02:55:52 pm" To: John Baldwin Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin wrote: > Well, moving to the 64-bit slots did change things somewhat. Now all but > 2 of the S3 cards work the same as in situation 2) in my original mail. > The other 2 don't have PCI ID's recognized by SRM. However, now the original > card has problems with the console. So, I tried booting off a 4.1-RC CD, > and voila, my kernel messages are now in syscons colors and the scrollback > works. It seems that syscons is broken on Alpha in -current at the moment. > :( > > Ok, further testing reveals that Peter's drive-by shooting of config(8) is > the cause of the breakage. A bit of prodding on IRC revealed that I this bug was fixed and I just needed to update my sources. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 2 1:33:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAA0A37C07A for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08856; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:33:21 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux/alpha emulation available Message-ID: <20000802043321.A8263@radicalmedia.com> References: <14717.2828.454006.745321@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731045241.L2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33592.387572.499407@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112632.N2866@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <20000731112632.N2866@radicalmedia.com>; from Mark Abene on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:26:32AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've installed your patches for alphalinux emulation against 4.1-RELEASE without problems. First app I tried so far is RealPlayer 7. Besides the aforementioned volume control problem, I can't seem to access any ram links on real.com... The RealPlayer says "Contacting..." and "Buffering..." for a bit, then I get a "Bad system call. core dumped" error. Have you seen this? The "welcome" thing plays when you first launch, and I can hear it if I'm quick enough to raise the volume before it ends. :) BTW, have you tried the alphalinux JDK? -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 2 1:36: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED7437B831 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 01:36:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA08889; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 04:36:01 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 Message-ID: <20000802043601.B8263@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000731051254.M2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731112927.O2866@radicalmedia.com> <14725.40416.628136.782665@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731182649.P2866@radicalmedia.com> <14726.8485.261054.310851@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000731223126.T2866@radicalmedia.com> <14726.53916.585060.311869@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20000801140037.C25790@radicalmedia.com> <14727.5008.699253.856165@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <14727.5008.699253.856165@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from Andrew Gallatin on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:06:39PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unfortunately, like I said, I've only successfully run em86 on RedHat 6.0, and I was using a 2.2.9 kernel. Maybe for purposes of testing, you may want to try building a 2.2.9 kernel? I'm not sure what else to suggest at this point... -Mark On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:06:39PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > It looks like you can load it as a module (binfmt_em86.o) > I did that, and now the "em86" is implicit... (eg, I can run > /usr/bin/ldconfig86 directly) > > Unfortunately, the same thing happens: a segv after it calls getdents. > > This machine is running a virgin install of RH 6.2 as it came off the > ISO image at the redhat mirrors. Its running kernel 2.2.14-6.0 > > I'm about to give up.. > > Drew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 2 2: 8:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C26937C099 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 02:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA08999 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 05:08:44 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: java under emulation! Message-ID: <20000802050844.C8263@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So I tried alphalinux JDK-1.1.3 using Drew's linulator, and I have good news! I was able to compile and run a simple "hello world" program! Very promising. If you want to play with it, you'll need to change .java_wrapper to invoke /usr/local/bin/bash instead of /bin/sh, and stick a relevant classes.zip in the lib dir of your java tree. I haven't yet been able to try any programs that use awt, since we need libXm.so for that. I'll try copying over the lib from my alphalinux partition, but first I need some sleep. After all, it's 5am. Cheers, -Mark Good job, Drew! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 2 11:42: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E6337B839 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA31146 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:42:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux Bios (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Speedracer Reply-To: axp-list@redhat.com To: Alpha list Subject: Linux Bios Resent-Date: 2 Aug 2000 18:39:58 -0000 Resent-From: axp-list@redhat.com Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; I've been watching the linux BIOS project for some time, and have really started to get interested when they said that Compaq had donated a DS10 to the project. If this is successful seems like there may be a way around the SRM vs Alphabios (i.e. MILO) for a Linux only system, http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/ Just thought the list would like to know. They say they are very close with the ds10 now. \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ \ Aaron Gee AKA Spdracer / \"Maseratis are more than cars, they are a passion that is understood / \by some, but enjoyed by a very few" / \URL---> http://www.italian-cars.com / \e-mail--> spdracer@america.com Fax-->1 (904) 253 1006 / \--------------------------------------------------------------/ \ | / \_|_/ (---) 0 -- To unsubscribe: send e-mail to axp-list-request@redhat.com with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Do not send it to axp-list@redhat.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 2 21:13:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eel.radicalmedia.com (eel.radicalmedia.com [204.254.246.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C185537B5DC for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phiber@eel.radicalmedia.com) Received: (from phiber@localhost) by eel.radicalmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22686 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:13:34 -0400 From: Mark Abene To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: java under emulation! Message-ID: <20000803001334.D8263@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000802050844.C8263@radicalmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <20000802050844.C8263@radicalmedia.com>; from Mark Abene on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 05:08:44AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So I installed the alphalinux Lesstif rpm, but upon trying to run an applet making use of awt with JDK-1.1.3, I was given a signal 11 and a long stream of java errors. So I switched to JDK-1.2.6, the latest one ported to alpha- linux. It ran my text-only "hello world" program just fine. Upon trying to run an applet making use of awt, it printed a bunch of font-not-found warnings (which apparently is a known problem, even on i386) then just sat there. There was no SEGV, which was good, but it didn't do anything either. Looking at what was going on with ktrace, we find at the end... ... 13479 appletviewer CALL read(0x7,0x11ff68c8,0x20) 13479 appletviewer RET read -1 errno 35 Resource temporarily unavailable 13479 appletviewer CALL select(0x8,0x11ff6778,0,0,0x11ff6698) 13479 appletviewer RET select 0 13479 appletviewer CALL [364](0,0x11ff6318) 13479 appletviewer RET [364] 0 13479 appletviewer CALL old.sigprocmask(0x1,0) 13479 appletviewer RET old.sigprocmask 0 13479 appletviewer CALL old.sigsuspend(0) ...and that's where it sits forever. File descriptor 0x7 is a unix domain socket. Not sure why it just suspends forever. Maybe it's waiting for a thread to wake up that never does? I'd be curious to hear if anyone has tried to get Java working in alphalinux emulation. It'd be real nice if we could get it working! Cheers, -Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 3 8:35:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC3C37B77A for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13025; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA94021; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) To: Mark Abene Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: java under emulation! In-Reply-To: <20000803001334.D8263@radicalmedia.com> References: <20000802050844.C8263@radicalmedia.com> <20000803001334.D8263@radicalmedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14729.37136.539334.504284@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Abene writes: > So I installed the alphalinux Lesstif rpm, but upon trying to run an applet Hmm.. Since non-windowed apps work & window'ed apps don't, maybe it has to do with lesstif? Can you try some other app linked with lesstif & see if that works? Thanks! Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 3 10:40: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from master.telia.net (master.telia.net [194.237.170.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9C837B566 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:39:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khaled@w-arts.com) Received: from localhost (elite@localhost) by master.telia.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA87320; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:39:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from khaled@w-arts.com) X-Authentication-Warning: master.telia.net: elite owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:39:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham X-Sender: elite@master.telia.net To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Mark Abene , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 In-Reply-To: <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've tried running em86 under emulation and saw a problem with the > linux dynamic loader. I then tried it on my linux/alpha test box & > got the same error. > > Now that we can run realplayer, acrobat, netscape, etc, my motivation > for getting em86 working has decreased remarkebly.. > > Drew Realplayer where ? Ive only found linux/x86,solaris/sparc and sco/x86 /Khaled Daham, w.arts Mail: khaled@w-arts.com Cell: +46-70-6785492, +966-54491462 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 3 10:42:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC2E37B566 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15439; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA94294; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:42:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 13:42:28 -0400 (EDT) To: Khaled Daham Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: em86 In-Reply-To: References: <14725.33823.884653.998738@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14729.44732.616738.323428@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Khaled Daham writes: > > I've tried running em86 under emulation and saw a problem with the > > linux dynamic loader. I then tried it on my linux/alpha test box & > > got the same error. > > > > Now that we can run realplayer, acrobat, netscape, etc, my motivation > > for getting em86 working has decreased remarkebly.. > > > > Drew > Realplayer where ? Ive only found linux/x86,solaris/sparc and sco/x86 > Read the mailing list archives. I posted a link to it a few weeks ago: (http://www.alphanews.net/?op=displaystory&sid=2000/6/30/161735/203 for directions on how to find it in the twisty maze of links that make up real.com) Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 4 7:53:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7399837BB55 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01374; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA96300; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:53:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:53:47 -0400 (EDT) To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Problems with a PW500au In-Reply-To: <200008012155.OAA43506@pike.osd.bsdi.com> References: <14727.13758.246560.904934@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200008012155.OAA43506@pike.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14730.54299.13237.456107@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin writes: > > > My second issue is that it seems to die during high load, i.e. when building > > > world, or compiling X or Xemacs. It will simply die and drop into SRM with > > > > > > kernel stack invalid halt > > > PC = 0xffffXXXXXXXXXX > > > XXXXX -- HWPRB invalid. > > > > > > It then has to be cold-booted to be usable again. > > > > Thats BAD. Are you running the latest firmware (it also corrects some > > video problems.). see ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/index.html > > Digital Personal WorkStation 500au > Console V7.2-1 Mar 6 2000 14:47:02 > >>> > > I already have the latest. :( Is it possible I have bad hardware in this > box? > > > It might be helpful to know what version of FreeBSD you're running & > > what sort of hardware is connected. > > Pardon the spam: Nothing unusal there. It is an older miata with the pyxis bug, but that's par for the course. What sort of things are happening on the system other than the compilation? Is it running X? This is what I might expect to see if the palcode area was randomly scribbled over. (hwrpb is at physical address 0x2000). When it dumps like this, can you write down the PC and see what, if anything, it maps to in the kernel text? Also, can you get an ra out of the SRM console at this stage, or is it totally wedged? (you should be able to say something like ">>> e ra" Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 4 18:33:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ACA37B791 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA56426; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:32:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200008050132.SAA56426@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: Problems with a PW500au In-Reply-To: <14730.54299.13237.456107@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> from Andrew Gallatin at "Aug 4, 2000 10:53:47 am" To: Andrew Gallatin Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > Digital Personal WorkStation 500au > > Console V7.2-1 Mar 6 2000 14:47:02 > > >>> > > > > I already have the latest. :( Is it possible I have bad hardware in this > > box? > > > > > It might be helpful to know what version of FreeBSD you're running & > > > what sort of hardware is connected. > > > > Pardon the spam: > > Nothing unusal there. It is an older miata with the pyxis bug, but > that's par for the course. > > What sort of things are happening on the system other than the > compilation? Is it running X? Just compilation.. about 1 in every 2 buildworlds will trigger this... > This is what I might expect to see if the palcode area was randomly > scribbled over. (hwrpb is at physical address 0x2000). > > When it dumps like this, can you write down the PC and see what, if > anything, it maps to in the kernel text? Also, can you get an ra out > of the SRM console at this stage, or is it totally wedged? (you should > be able to say something like ">>> e ra" halt code = 2 kernel stack not valid halt PC = fffffc0000527b8c warning -- HWRPB is invalid. >>> e ra gpr: IA( R26) FFFFFC000051A70C fffffc000051a6c0 T XentInt fffffc000051a6ec T XentMM fffffc000051a71c T XentSys fffffc000051a77c T XentUna ... fffffc0000527580 T userret fffffc0000527920 t printtrap fffffc0000527b80 T trap fffffc00005281e0 T syscall fffffc0000527b80 : fffffc0000527b80: 0b 00 bb 27 ldah gp,11(t12) fffffc0000527b84: f8 ed bd 23 lda gp,-4616(gp) fffffc0000527b88: 80 ff de 23 lda sp,-128(sp) fffffc0000527b8c: 10 00 5e b7 stq ra,16(sp) fffffc0000527b90: 18 00 3e b5 stq s0,24(sp) fffffc0000527b94: 20 00 5e b5 stq s1,32(sp) ... fffffc000051a6ec : fffffc000051a6ec: 10 ff de 23 lda sp,-240(sp) fffffc000051a6f0: c8 00 9e b7 stq at,200(sp) fffffc000051a6f4: b8 00 5e b7 stq ra,184(sp) fffffc000051a6f8: 6e 32 40 d3 bsr ra,fffffc00005270b4 fffffc000051a6fc: 02 00 7f 22 lda a3,2(zero) fffffc000051a700: 14 04 fe 47 mov sp,a4 fffffc000051a704: d0 b9 7d a7 ldq t12,-17968(gp) fffffc000051a708: 1d 75 5b 6b jsr ra,(t12),fffffc0000517b80 fffffc000051a70c: 0c 00 ba 27 ldah gp,12(ra) fffffc000051a710: 6c c2 bd 23 lda gp,-15764(gp) fffffc000051a714: 48 b7 7d a7 ldq t12,-18616(gp) fffffc000051a718: 3c 32 fb 6b jmp zero,(t12),fffffc000051700c HTH. > Drew -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message