From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 0:54:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4E037B66C; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13iBHr-0006o7-00; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:54:23 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e987uRV95587; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:56:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:56:27 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: John Baldwin , Matthew Jacob , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: red face better... Message-ID: <20001008095626.B94846@freebie.demon.nl> References: <14815.39431.983740.401656@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14815.39431.983740.401656@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 05:52:38PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 07, 2000 at 05:52:38PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > > > On 06-Oct-00 Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > ...but not quite there yet.... > > > > > > Got around the 4MB hang issue, but now hang probing the SCSI bus (see below) > > > > I had this same hang when the PCI interrupts weren't be properly turned off > > <..> > > I'm seeing the same problems as Matt on an AS500 5/266 and a Miata GL. > > Both of these machines are running with serial consoles -- Does your > test box have a serial or graphics console? If graphics, can you see > if it still works w/a serial console? My Miata GL has a graphics console, but I never get as far as a hanging console. In my case the loader goes for 'kernel stack not valid, halt'. Can this be graphics related as wel? -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 3: 7:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B04C37B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13iDN4-0009U5-0C; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:07:54 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA31732; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:14:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:07:14 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14815.26475.95721.701188@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 7 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > /ithreads data=0x3e6a78+0x32678 syms=[0x8+0x4ea98+0x8+0x39115] > > > Entering ithreads at 0xfffffc0000330320... > > > XentMM = 0xfffffc00005e1f2c > > > Memory cluster count: 3 > > > MEMC 0: pfn 0x0 cnt 0xa5 usage 0x1 > > > MEMC 1: pfn 0xa5 cnt 0x3ee6 usage 0x0 > > > Cluster 1 contains kernel > > > Loading chunk after kernel: 0x3d3 / 0x3f8b > > > MEMC 2: pfn 0x3f8b cnt 0x75 usage 0x1 > > > Unrecognized boot flag '"'. > > > Unrecognized boot flag '"'. > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > > > kmem_init: kmemusage = 0xfffffe0000296000 > > > > > > halted CPU 0 > > > > Hmm. I wonder if the kernel is running out of its bootstrap address space > > limits before it manages to finish initialising the vm system. Try > > increasing the value of NKPT in pmap.h to see if it helps. > > I doubled it from 9 to 18 & still see the same behaviour.. Hmm. I think I need to see a disassembly of the region which contains the fault pc. I can't quite see what is happening yet. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 10:28:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721DC37B66C for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21102; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e98HS8b65314; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14815.26475.95721.701188@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14816.44265.344287.683700@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > Hmm. I think I need to see a disassembly of the region which contains the > fault pc. I can't quite see what is happening yet. OK. As you recall, I've altered kmeminit so that I touch kmemusage immediately, rather than waiting for malloc to do it..: Index: /home/home1/gallatin/ithreads/sys/kern/kern_malloc.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_malloc.c,v retrieving revision 1.73 diff -u -r1.73 kern_malloc.c --- /home/home1/gallatin/ithreads/sys/kern/kern_malloc.c 2000/09/23 00:01:35 1.73 +++ /home/home1/gallatin/ithreads/sys/kern/kern_malloc.c 2000/10/06 20:53:00 @@ -481,6 +481,9 @@ kmemusage = (struct kmemusage *) kmem_alloc(kernel_map, (vm_size_t)(npg * sizeof(struct kmemusage))); +printf("kmem_init: kmemusage = %p\n", kmemusage); +*(int *)kmemusage = 0x0; +printf("kmem_init: touched kmemusage\n"); kmem_map = kmem_suballoc(kernel_map, (vm_offset_t *)&kmembase, (vm_offset_t *)&kmemlimit, (vm_size_t)(npg * PAGE_SIZE)); kmem_map->system_map = 1; fffffc00003f2ec0 : fffffc00003f2ec0: 2e 00 bb 27 ldah gp,46(t12) fffffc00003f2ec4: 48 61 bd 23 lda gp,24904(gp) fffffc00003f2ec8: e0 ff de 23 lda sp,-32(sp) fffffc00003f2ecc: 00 00 5e b7 stq ra,0(sp) fffffc00003f2ed0: 08 00 3e b5 stq s0,8(sp) fffffc00003f2ed4: 10 00 5e b5 stq s1,16(sp) fffffc00003f2ed8: 18 00 7e b5 stq s2,24(sp) fffffc00003f2edc: 90 b2 1d a6 ldq a0,-19824(gp) fffffc00003f2ee0: e8 0e 3d a6 ldq a1,3816(gp) fffffc00003f2ee4: 01 00 5f 22 lda a2,1(zero) fffffc00003f2ee8: 78 95 7d a7 ldq t12,-27272(gp) fffffc00003f2eec: 7c 43 5b 6b jsr ra,(t12),fffffc00003f3ce0 fffffc00003f2ef0: 2e 00 ba 27 ldah gp,46(ra) fffffc00003f2ef4: 18 61 bd 23 lda gp,24856(gp) fffffc00003f2ef8: c0 00 3f 25 ldah s0,192(zero) fffffc00003f2efc: f0 92 3d a4 ldq t0,-27920(gp) fffffc00003f2f00: 68 00 21 a0 ldl t0,104(t0) fffffc00003f2f04: 21 b7 21 48 sll t0,0xd,t0 fffffc00003f2f08: 21 f6 21 48 zapnot t0,0xf,t0 fffffc00003f2f0c: 81 56 20 48 srl t0,0x2,t0 fffffc00003f2f10: a2 03 21 41 cmpult s0,t0,t1 fffffc00003f2f14: c9 04 41 44 cmovne t1,t0,s0 fffffc00003f2f18: e0 0e 1d a6 ldq a0,3808(gp) fffffc00003f2f1c: c8 c2 3d a6 ldq a1,-15672(gp) fffffc00003f2f20: 78 ac 7d a7 ldq t12,-21384(gp) fffffc00003f2f24: 4e 4c 5b 6b jsr ra,(t12),fffffc00003f6060 fffffc00003f2f28: 2e 00 ba 27 ldah gp,46(ra) fffffc00003f2f2c: e0 60 bd 23 lda gp,24800(gp) fffffc00003f2f30: 02 00 00 f4 bne v0,fffffc00003f2f3c fffffc00003f2f34: c8 c2 3d a4 ldq t0,-15672(gp) fffffc00003f2f38: 00 00 21 b1 stl s0,0(t0) fffffc00003f2f3c: c8 c2 9d a4 ldq t3,-15672(gp) fffffc00003f2f40: 00 00 24 a0 ldl t0,0(t3) fffffc00003f2f44: 21 f6 21 48 zapnot t0,0xf,t0 fffffc00003f2f48: f0 92 5d a4 ldq t1,-27920(gp) fffffc00003f2f4c: 68 00 62 a0 ldl t2,104(t1) fffffc00003f2f50: 22 b7 61 48 sll t2,0xd,t1 fffffc00003f2f54: 81 36 20 48 srl t0,0x1,t0 fffffc00003f2f58: 22 f6 41 48 zapnot t1,0xf,t1 fffffc00003f2f5c: a1 07 22 40 cmpule t0,t1,t0 fffffc00003f2f60: 02 00 20 f4 bne t0,fffffc00003f2f6c fffffc00003f2f64: 21 d7 61 48 sll t2,0xe,t0 fffffc00003f2f68: 00 00 24 b0 stl t0,0(t3) fffffc00003f2f6c: e8 ba 3d a4 ldq t0,-17688(gp) fffffc00003f2f70: 00 00 21 a1 ldl s0,0(t0) fffffc00003f2f74: 29 17 21 49 sll s0,0x8,s0 fffffc00003f2f78: c0 ae 3d a4 ldq t0,-20800(gp) fffffc00003f2f7c: 00 00 21 a0 ldl t0,0(t0) fffffc00003f2f80: 21 77 21 48 sll t0,0xb,t0 fffffc00003f2f84: 09 04 21 41 addq s0,t0,s0 fffffc00003f2f88: c8 c2 3d a4 ldq t0,-15672(gp) fffffc00003f2f8c: 00 00 21 a0 ldl t0,0(t0) fffffc00003f2f90: 09 00 21 41 addl s0,t0,s0 fffffc00003f2f94: 29 f6 21 49 zapnot s0,0xf,s0 fffffc00003f2f98: 89 b6 21 49 srl s0,0xd,s0 fffffc00003f2f9c: 98 0e 5d a5 ldq s1,3736(gp) fffffc00003f2fa0: 38 98 7d a5 ldq s2,-26568(gp) fffffc00003f2fa4: 00 00 0b a6 ldq a0,0(s2) fffffc00003f2fa8: 51 14 20 41 s4addq s0,0,a1 fffffc00003f2fac: b0 83 7d a7 ldq t12,-31824(gp) fffffc00003f2fb0: 83 4e 5b 6b jsr ra,(t12),fffffc00003f69c0 fffffc00003f2fb4: 2e 00 ba 27 ldah gp,46(ra) fffffc00003f2fb8: 54 60 bd 23 lda gp,24660(gp) fffffc00003f2fbc: 00 00 0a b4 stq v0,0(s1) fffffc00003f2fc0: d8 0e 1d a6 ldq a0,3800(gp) fffffc00003f2fc4: 11 04 e0 47 mov v0,a1 fffffc00003f2fc8: c8 83 7d a7 ldq t12,-31800(gp) fffffc00003f2fcc: ec 4f 5b 6b jsr ra,(t12),fffffc00003f6f80 fffffc00003f2fd0: 2e 00 ba 27 ldah gp,46(ra) fffffc00003f2fd4: 38 60 bd 23 lda gp,24632(gp) fffffc00003f2fd8: 00 00 2a a4 ldq t0,0(s1) fffffc00003f2fdc: 00 00 e1 b3 stl zero,0(t0) fffffc00003f2fe0: d0 0e 1d a6 ldq a0,3792(gp) fffffc00003f2fe4: c8 83 7d a7 ldq t12,-31800(gp) fffffc00003f2fe8: e5 4f 5b 6b jsr ra,(t12),fffffc00003f6f80 fffffc00003f2fec: 2e 00 ba 27 ldah gp,46(ra) fffffc00003f2ff0: 1c 60 bd 23 lda gp,24604(gp) fffffc00003f2ff4: 00 00 0b a6 ldq a0,0(s2) fffffc00003f2ff8: 90 0e 3d a6 ldq a1,3728(gp) fffffc00003f2ffc: 88 0e 5d a6 ldq a2,3720(gp) fffffc00003f3000: 33 b7 21 49 sll s0,0xd,a3 fffffc00003f3004: 98 ca 7d a7 ldq t12,-13672(gp) fffffc00003f3008: 2d 4f 5b 6b jsr ra,(t12),fffffc00003f6cc0 fffffc00003f300c: 2e 00 ba 27 ldah gp,46(ra) fffffc00003f3010: fc 5f bd 23 lda gp,24572(gp) fffffc00003f3014: b8 bc 3d a4 ldq t0,-17224(gp) fffffc00003f3018: 00 00 01 b4 stq v0,0(t0) fffffc00003f301c: 01 00 3f 20 lda t0,1(zero) fffffc00003f3020: 88 00 40 2c ldq_u t1,136(v0) fffffc00003f3024: 03 14 11 40 addq v0,0x88,t2 fffffc00003f3028: 42 00 43 48 mskbl t1,t2,t1 fffffc00003f302c: 61 01 23 48 insbl t0,t2,t0 fffffc00003f3030: 01 04 22 44 or t0,t1,t0 fffffc00003f3034: 88 00 20 3c stq_u t0,136(v0) fffffc00003f3038: 03 04 ff 47 clr t2 fffffc00003f303c: 01 00 bf 20 lda t4,1(zero) fffffc00003f3040: ff 1f ff 20 lda t6,8191(zero) fffffc00003f3044: 80 0e 9d a4 ldq t3,3712(gp) fffffc00003f3048: 78 0e dd a4 ldq t5,3704(gp) fffffc00003f304c: 00 00 e0 2f unop fffffc00003f3050: 21 07 a3 48 sll t4,t2,t0 fffffc00003f3054: 01 00 3f 40 addl t0,zero,t0 fffffc00003f3058: a1 0d 27 40 cmple t0,t6,t0 fffffc00003f305c: 04 00 20 f4 bne t0,fffffc00003f3070 fffffc00003f3060: 21 d7 60 48 sll t2,0x6,t0 fffffc00003f3064: 01 04 24 40 addq t0,t3,t0 fffffc00003f3068: 00 00 a1 b4 stq t4,0(t0) fffffc00003f306c: 0a 00 e0 c3 br fffffc00003f3098 fffffc00003f3070: 21 d7 60 48 sll t2,0x6,t0 fffffc00003f3074: 01 04 24 40 addq t0,t3,t0 fffffc00003f3078: 39 07 a3 48 sll t4,t2,t11 fffffc00003f307c: 00 20 1f 23 lda t10,8192(zero) fffffc00003f3080: 19 00 3f 43 addl t11,zero,t11 fffffc00003f3084: 80 a3 7d a7 ldq t12,-23680(gp) fffffc00003f3088: 2b 50 fb 6a jsr t9,(t12),fffffc00003f7138 fffffc00003f308c: 2e 00 b7 27 ldah gp,46(t9) fffffc00003f3090: 7c 5f bd 23 lda gp,24444(gp) fffffc00003f3094: 00 00 61 b7 stq t12,0(t0) fffffc00003f3098: 21 d7 60 48 sll t2,0x6,t0 fffffc00003f309c: 02 04 26 40 addq t0,t5,t1 fffffc00003f30a0: 01 04 24 40 addq t0,t3,t0 fffffc00003f30a4: 00 00 21 a4 ldq t0,0(t0) fffffc00003f30a8: 41 04 21 40 s4addq t0,t0,t0 fffffc00003f30ac: 00 00 22 b4 stq t0,0(t1) fffffc00003f30b0: 03 34 60 40 addq t2,0x1,t2 fffffc00003f30b4: a1 9d 62 40 cmple t2,0x14,t0 fffffc00003f30b8: e5 ff 3f f4 bne t0,fffffc00003f3050 fffffc00003f30bc: 00 00 5e a7 ldq ra,0(sp) fffffc00003f30c0: 08 00 3e a5 ldq s0,8(sp) fffffc00003f30c4: 10 00 5e a5 ldq s1,16(sp) fffffc00003f30c8: 18 00 7e a5 ldq s2,24(sp) fffffc00003f30cc: 20 00 de 23 lda sp,32(sp) fffffc00003f30d0: 01 80 fa 6b ret zero,(ra),0x1 fffffc00003f30d4: 00 00 e0 2f unop fffffc00003f30d8: 1f 04 ff 47 nop fffffc00003f30dc: 00 00 e0 2f unop fffffc00003f30e0 : <...> The faulting address is 0xfffffc00003f2fdc Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 10:30: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0EC37B66C for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.net ([24.0.178.21]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001008172907.OQFH18167.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.net> for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:29:07 -0700 Message-ID: <39E0AF4C.F3740CC0@home.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:30:52 -0700 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm positive that this isn't really a FreeBSD problem but don't know where else to ask -- FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #4: Wed Aug 23 23:17:04 PDT 2000 EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz, 500MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000800020117 real memory = 265904128 (259672K bytes) avail memory = 252829696 (246904K bytes) Replaced working controller (ncr0: ) with 53C895 (Tekram DC390-U2B) and new Cheetah drive. Booted from floppy and installed 4.1 via FTP without a problem. At reboot, there's no bootable drive available. SRM is the latest I could find [Digital AlphaPC 164 500MHz Console V5.5.1 Jul 14 1999]. Controller is and and it works in a PC - sees the drive. Searching the archives didn't turn up anything useful. Does anyone know if this controller/drive be used for booting -- and if so, what I need to do? Thanks, Craig Burgess -- ... mind like a steel trap: things wander in and get mangled ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 10:53:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DDE37B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15981; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:53:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Craig Burgess Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? In-Reply-To: <39E0AF4C.F3740CC0@home.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SRM doesn't know about the 895. On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Craig Burgess wrote: > I'm positive that this isn't really a FreeBSD problem but don't know > where else to ask -- > > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #4: Wed Aug 23 23:17:04 PDT 2000 > > EB164 > Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz, 500MHz > 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. > CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 > OSF PAL rev: 0x1000800020117 > real memory = 265904128 (259672K bytes) > avail memory = 252829696 (246904K bytes) > > Replaced working controller (ncr0: ) with > 53C895 (Tekram DC390-U2B) and new Cheetah drive. > > Booted from floppy and installed 4.1 via FTP without a problem. > > At reboot, there's no bootable drive available. SRM is the latest I > could find [Digital AlphaPC 164 500MHz Console V5.5.1 Jul 14 1999]. > > Controller is and and it works in a PC - sees the drive. > > Searching the archives didn't turn up anything useful. Does anyone > know if this controller/drive be used for booting -- and if so, what I > need to do? > > Thanks, > > Craig Burgess > > -- > ... mind like a steel trap: things wander in and get mangled ... > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 10:56:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F7E37B502; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15993; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:56:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Andrew Gallatin , John Baldwin , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: red face better... In-Reply-To: <20001008095626.B94846@freebie.demon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > My Miata GL has a graphics console, but I never get as far as a hanging > console. In my case the loader goes for 'kernel stack not valid, halt'. > > Can this be graphics related as wel? No. I use no graphics head on any Alpha. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 11: 1:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9502537B503; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16031; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:01:37 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: John Baldwin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: red face better... In-Reply-To: <14815.39431.983740.401656@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I only use serial consoles. I haven't debugged further this weekend because I have to be at my office so I can reset the machine- I'm now looking for a remote power commander I won't have to pay 700$ for (that's what the APC one costs) so that I can do without sleep and debug from home. My schedule this week for tackling this is tight, but I think I can clear a full day on Wednesday for working on FreeBSD/Alpha while I'm down at Ames so that means I can possibly nail rawhide/turbolaser then. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 11: 8:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFCF37B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.net ([24.0.178.21]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001008180747.PIWZ18167.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.net>; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:07:47 -0700 Message-ID: <39E0B85C.EAC8331D@home.net> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:09:32 -0700 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > SRM doesn't know about the 895. Oh. Rats! I could use it in the PC but in order to run both controllers on the Alpha I'll have to free up a PCI slot. D'you happen to know if SRM supports any Ultra/2 controller? Thanks, craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 11: 8:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2997537B66D for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13iKsD-0001ef-00; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:08:33 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e98IAcf98545; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:10:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:10:38 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Craig Burgess , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? Message-ID: <20001008201038.A98525@freebie.demon.nl> References: <39E0AF4C.F3740CC0@home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 10:53:48AM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 10:53:48AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > SRM doesn't know about the 895. More specifically: this machine's SRM. I know ES40 for example knows 895, as I have an ES40 booting off it at work. W/ > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Craig Burgess wrote: > > > I'm positive that this isn't really a FreeBSD problem but don't know > > where else to ask -- > > > > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #4: Wed Aug 23 23:17:04 PDT 2000 > > > > EB164 > > Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz, 500MHz > > 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. > > CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 > > OSF PAL rev: 0x1000800020117 > > real memory = 265904128 (259672K bytes) > > avail memory = 252829696 (246904K bytes) > > > > Replaced working controller (ncr0: ) with > > 53C895 (Tekram DC390-U2B) and new Cheetah drive. > > > > Booted from floppy and installed 4.1 via FTP without a problem. > > > > At reboot, there's no bootable drive available. SRM is the latest I > > could find [Digital AlphaPC 164 500MHz Console V5.5.1 Jul 14 1999]. > > > > Controller is and and it works in a PC - sees the drive. > > > > Searching the archives didn't turn up anything useful. Does anyone > > know if this controller/drive be used for booting -- and if so, what I > > need to do? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Craig Burgess > > > > -- > > ... mind like a steel trap: things wander in and get mangled ... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message ---end quoted text--- -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 11:10:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDA637B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16081; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:10:21 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Craig Burgess Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? In-Reply-To: <39E0B85C.EAC8331D@home.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Craig Burgess wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > SRM doesn't know about the 895. > > Oh. > > Rats! I could use it in the PC but in order to run both controllers on > the Alpha I'll have to free up a PCI slot. > > D'you happen to know if SRM supports any Ultra/2 controller? For a PC164? No. IMO, boot from IDE on PCI164. This leaves you 4 PCI slots to put all the different h/w you want to in it. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 11:16:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E405C37B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13iKzc-0001lF-00; Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:16:12 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e98IIGr98621; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:18:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:18:16 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Craig Burgess Cc: mjacob@feral.com, FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? Message-ID: <20001008201816.C98525@freebie.demon.nl> References: <39E0B85C.EAC8331D@home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39E0B85C.EAC8331D@home.net>; from craig-burgess@home.net on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 11:09:32AM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 11:09:32AM -0700, Craig Burgess wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > SRM doesn't know about the 895. > > Oh. > > Rats! I could use it in the PC but in order to run both controllers on > the Alpha I'll have to free up a PCI slot. > > D'you happen to know if SRM supports any Ultra/2 controller? You might want to check the release notes of your system's SRM to see what it says. But I'm afraid the older systems don't get their SRM updated to include later model adapters. At some point there is no 'backward' qual being done anymore for newer model adapters in older machines. Been bitten by that before. W/ -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 11:18:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B144937B503 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e98IHo022757 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:18:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [fec0::104:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e98IHQh00989; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.9.2) id e98IHOR60011; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:17:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:17:24 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Craig Burgess , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? Message-ID: <20001008201724.A59981@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <39E0AF4C.F3740CC0@home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 10:53:48AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 10:53:48AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > SRM doesn't know about the 895. My PC164 boots from a noname 895: sym0: <895> port 0x10200-0x102ff mem 0x82030000-0x82030fff,0x82031200-0x820312ff irq 2 at device 5.0 on pci0 sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, LVD, parity checking sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym0: interrupting at CIA irq 2 But it's not shown properly in show config. The order in FreeBSD is different fromt he order in SRM - dkb is sym0. The second is not known by SRM because it has a slightly different identification. >>>show device dka0.0.0.6.0 DKA0 IBM WDS-3200 !J S560 dka100.1.0.6.0 DKA100 IBM WDS-3200 !J S560 dka200.2.0.6.0 DKA200 IBM WDS-3200 !J S560 dka300.3.0.6.0 DKA300 IBM WDS-3200 !J S560 dka400.4.0.6.0 DKA400 IBM WDS-3200 !J S560 dka500.5.0.6.0 DKA500 IBM WDS-3200 !J S560 dka600.6.0.6.0 DKA600 IBM WDS-3200 !J S550 dkb1000.10.0.5.0 DKB1000 SEAGATE ST318275LC 0001 dkb900.9.0.5.0 DKB900 SEAGATE ST318275LC 0001 dqa0.0.0.11.0 DQA0 Conner P eripherals 1275M 0.28 dva0.0.0.0.1 DVA0 pka0.7.0.6.0 PKA0 SCSI Bus ID 7 pkb0.7.0.5.0 PKB0 SCSI Bus ID 7 >>>show config Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz SRM Console: V5.5-1 PALcode: OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-9, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-8 SROM Revision: 2.2 Alpha 21164A-2 DECchip (tm) 21172 CIA ASIC Pass 3 MEMORY 256 Meg of system memory PCI Bus Bus 00 Slot 05: Vendor: 1000 Device: c Bus 00 Slot 06: NCR 53C810 Scsi Controller pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 dka0.0.0.6.0 IBM WDS-3200 !J dka100.1.0.6.0 IBM WDS-3200 !J dka200.2.0.6.0 IBM WDS-3200 !J dka300.3.0.6.0 IBM WDS-3200 !J dka400.4.0.6.0 IBM WDS-3200 !J dka500.5.0.6.0 IBM WDS-3200 !J dka600.6.0.6.0 IBM WDS-3200 !J Bus 00 Slot 07: NCR 53C810 Scsi Controller Bus 00 Slot 08: Intel 82378IB PCI to ISA Bridge Bus 00 Slot 11: CMD PCI0646 IDE Controller dqa.0.0.11.0 dqa0.0.0.11.0 Conner P eripherals [...] -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 11:28:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D1C37B503; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e98ISO023354 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:28:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [fec0::104:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e98IS1h01001; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:28:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.9.2) id e98IS0U60036; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:28:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 20:28:00 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Andrew Gallatin , John Baldwin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: red face better... Message-ID: <20001008202800.B59981@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <14815.39431.983740.401656@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 11:01:36AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 11:01:36AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > I only use serial consoles. I haven't debugged further this weekend because I > have to be at my office so I can reset the machine- I'm now looking for a > remote power commander I won't have to pay 700$ for (that's what the APC one > costs) so that I can do without sleep and debug from home. I'm using ppi on an lp interface with some relais connected to handle halt and reset. Powercycle is also possible if needed but wasn't necessary for me. Due to temperature nearly all systems are in a different room. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 11:49: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7C037B66C; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16173; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:48:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bernd Walter Cc: Andrew Gallatin , John Baldwin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: red face better... In-Reply-To: <20001008202800.B59981@cicely5.cicely.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 11:01:36AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > I only use serial consoles. I haven't debugged further this weekend because I > > have to be at my office so I can reset the machine- I'm now looking for a > > remote power commander I won't have to pay 700$ for (that's what the APC one > > costs) so that I can do without sleep and debug from home. > > I'm using ppi on an lp interface with some relais connected to handle > halt and reset. Umm- sometimes I'm slow- I assume that this is a couple lines from another system's parallel port that you've wired directly to the reset line on your alpha? -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 12:30:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C13CD37B503; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e98JUe027692 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:30:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [fec0::104:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e98JUKh01160; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:30:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.9.2) id e98JUJa60103; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:30:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 21:30:19 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Andrew Gallatin , John Baldwin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: red face better... Message-ID: <20001008213019.C59981@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <20001008202800.B59981@cicely5.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 11:48:52AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 11:48:52AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Bernd Walter wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 11:01:36AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > I only use serial consoles. I haven't debugged further this weekend because I > > > have to be at my office so I can reset the machine- I'm now looking for a > > > remote power commander I won't have to pay 700$ for (that's what the APC one > > > costs) so that I can do without sleep and debug from home. > > > > I'm using ppi on an lp interface with some relais connected to handle > > halt and reset. > > Umm- sometimes I'm slow- I assume that this is a couple lines from another > system's parallel port that you've wired directly to the reset line on your > alpha? Not directly - there is some glue hardware between such as a driver and an relais. In general the design is very simple. a simple 74ls04 to protect the port and a transistor (BC639) with an resistent between. Finaly there is an diode to protect the transitor. Directly may work, but I already had the electronic because I'm switching some outdoor light with it. The lights are switched using a mobile house telephone and an i4b solution. I call my computer and can control it via dial tones. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 13: 7:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7482537B502 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e98K6k029708 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:06:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [fec0::104:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e98K6Ph01248; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.9.2) id e98K6HM60147; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:06:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:06:17 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Craig Burgess , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? Message-ID: <20001008220617.D59981@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <39E0AF4C.F3740CC0@home.net> <20001008201724.A59981@cicely5.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001008201724.A59981@cicely5.cicely.de>; from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 08:17:24PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 08:17:24PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > But it's not shown properly in show config. > The order in FreeBSD is different fromt he order in SRM - dkb is sym0. > The second is not known by SRM because it has a slightly different The second 810a. - The first 810a and the 895 works with SRM. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 13:20: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3655737B502; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA81496; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:20:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:20:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200010082020.NAA81496@freefall.freebsd.org> To: wkb@chello.nl, wilko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/17833: dc driver for embedded ethernet on Miata MX5 problems Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: dc driver for embedded ethernet on Miata MX5 problems State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: wilko State-Changed-When: Sun Oct 8 13:18:01 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Should be fixed per: > wpaul 2000/10/05 10:36:15 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/pci if_dc.c if_dcreg.h > sys/dev/mii dcphy.c > Log: > Add support for parsing the media blocks from the SROM on 21143 > adapters. This is necessary in order to make this driver work with > the built-in ethernet on the alpha Miata machines. These systems > have a 21143-PC chip on-board and optional daughtercards with either > a 10/100 MII transceiver or a 10baseT/10base2 transceiver. In both > cases, you need to twiddle the GPIO bits on the controller in order > to turn the transceivers on, and you have to read the media info > from the SROM in order to find out what bits to twiddle. I no longer have the 10base2 module to test this but assume it is fixed. Wilko http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17833 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 13:28:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF94037B66D for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA90154; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:28:40 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Craig Burgess , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Alpha PC164 Hardware - 53C895 SCSI controller? Message-ID: <20001008132840.A77633@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <39E0AF4C.F3740CC0@home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 10:53:48AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 08, 2000 at 10:53:48AM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > SRM doesn't know about the 895. `show dev' at SRM would have shown you this. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 8 22:22:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (server.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8E037B66E for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (root@john.baldwin.cx [192.168.1.18]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA59303; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:26:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@baldwin.cx) Received: (from john@localhost) by john.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03098; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 22:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john) Message-Id: <200010090524.WAA03098@john.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14815.39431.983740.401656@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 22:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: RE: red face better... Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Matthew Jacob Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Oct-00 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > > > On 06-Oct-00 Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > ...but not quite there yet.... > > > > > > Got around the 4MB hang issue, but now hang probing the SCSI bus (see below) > > > > I had this same hang when the PCI interrupts weren't be properly turned off [ snip ] > ithd_loop pid 14(intr: isp0) need=1 > ithd_loop pid 14 ih=0xfffffe0000af0700: 0xfffffc0000366760(0xfffffe0000af6a00) flg=0 > ithd_loop pid 14: done > intr_soft pid 11: resumed > intr_soft pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > intr_soft pid 11: done > sched_softintr pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > sched_softintr: setrunqueue 11 > intr_soft pid 11: resumed > intr_soft pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > intr_soft pid 11: done > sched_softintr pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > sched_softintr: setrunqueue 11 > intr_soft pid 11: resumed > intr_soft pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > intr_soft pid 11: done > sched_softintr pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > sched_softintr: setrunqueue 11 > sched_softintr pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > intr_soft pid 11: resumed > intr_soft pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > intr_soft pid 11: done > sched_softintr pid 11(softinterrupt) spending=0x40 > sched_softintr: setrunqueue 11 > intr_soft pid 11: resumed > <...> Hmm, so the softinterrupt handler is running, but it is always running and returning w/o actually seeming to do anything. :( 0x40 = bit 6 == SWI_CLOCK. Can you add in another KTR tracepoint in the softinterrupt loop in to show it calling each SWI handler? Also, are you getting any clock interrupts at all, or is SWI_CLOCK not getting cleared from spending somehow? (and/or is softclock calling setsoftclock())? > Cheers, > > Drew -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 9 2:17:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D1D37B503 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 02:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13iZ3o-0000gl-0B; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 09:17:28 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA35557; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:24:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:16:39 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14816.44265.344287.683700@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > Hmm. I think I need to see a disassembly of the region which contains the > > fault pc. I can't quite see what is happening yet. > > OK. As you recall, I've altered kmeminit so that I touch kmemusage > immediately, rather than waiting for malloc to do it..: The address looks ok, so the mapping must be broken. Can I see the value of vtopte(0xfffffe0000296000). Something bad seems to have happened to the pte which maps this page. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 9 11:56:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAE637B66C; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 11:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04894; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e99ELw567010; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:21:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 10:21:58 -0400 (EDT) To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, Matthew Jacob Subject: RE: red face better... In-Reply-To: <200010090524.WAA03098@john.baldwin.cx> References: <14815.39431.983740.401656@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200010090524.WAA03098@john.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14817.54315.270991.35552@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin writes: > Hmm, so the softinterrupt handler is running, but it is > always running and returning w/o actually seeming to do > anything. :( 0x40 = bit 6 == SWI_CLOCK. Can you add in > another KTR tracepoint in the softinterrupt loop in to > show it calling each SWI handler? Also, are you getting > any clock interrupts at all, or is SWI_CLOCK not getting > cleared from spending somehow? (and/or is softclock > calling setsoftclock())? Excellent hint! Thank you! There was a typo in sys/alpha/alpha/ipl_funcs.c, so softclock was never running. I've just committed a fix. Now my AS500 and UP1000 boot. Woo-hoo! I still don't understand how things were working for you.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 9 12: 8:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F2C37B66C; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13iiI7-000GAT-00; Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:08:51 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e99JAuI04091; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:10:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 21:10:56 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: John Baldwin , alpha@freebsd.org, Matthew Jacob Subject: Re: red face better... Message-ID: <20001009211056.B3891@freebie.demon.nl> References: <14815.39431.983740.401656@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200010090524.WAA03098@john.baldwin.cx> <14817.54315.270991.35552@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14817.54315.270991.35552@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:21:58AM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 10:21:58AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > Hmm, so the softinterrupt handler is running, but it is > > always running and returning w/o actually seeming to do > > anything. :( 0x40 = bit 6 == SWI_CLOCK. Can you add in > > another KTR tracepoint in the softinterrupt loop in to > > show it calling each SWI handler? Also, are you getting > > any clock interrupts at all, or is SWI_CLOCK not getting > > cleared from spending somehow? (and/or is softclock > > calling setsoftclock())? > > Excellent hint! Thank you! > > There was a typo in sys/alpha/alpha/ipl_funcs.c, so softclock was > never running. I've just committed a fix. > > Now my AS500 and UP1000 boot. Woo-hoo! So does MiataGL for me. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 9 12:10: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95C137B66C for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (ether.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.196]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e99J92i29318; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 12:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14817.54315.270991.35552@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 12:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: RE: red face better... Cc: Matthew Jacob , alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 09-Oct-00 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > Hmm, so the softinterrupt handler is running, but it is > > always running and returning w/o actually seeming to do > > anything. :( 0x40 = bit 6 == SWI_CLOCK. Can you add in > > another KTR tracepoint in the softinterrupt loop in to > > show it calling each SWI handler? Also, are you getting > > any clock interrupts at all, or is SWI_CLOCK not getting > > cleared from spending somehow? (and/or is softclock > > calling setsoftclock())? > > Excellent hint! Thank you! > > There was a typo in sys/alpha/alpha/ipl_funcs.c, so softclock was > never running. I've just committed a fix. > > Now my AS500 and UP1000 boot. Woo-hoo! > > I still don't understand how things were working for you.. Neither do I. :) > Drew -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 9 15: 1:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5625C37B66C; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20797; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:01:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: John Baldwin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: red face better... In-Reply-To: <14817.54315.270991.35552@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Still broken for me. Interestingly enough, I left it for several hours (going off to do other things). When I left, it had stopped at: fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 Calibrating clock(s) ... PCC clock: 433008590 Hz (firmware 432900432 Hz) i8254 clock: 1192011 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency ppc0 failed to probe at irq 7 on isa0 sc0: no video adapter is found. sc0: failed to probe on isa0 sio0: irq maps: 0x41 0x51 0x41 0x41 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o sio1 failed to probe at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x50 on isa0 vga0: failed to probe on isa0 sc1: no video adapter is found. sc1: failed to probe on isa0 vga1: failed to probe on isa0 isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "alpha" frequency 433008590 Hz bpf: lo0 attached .... When I saw it several hours later, it gone: ata0-master: success setting WDMA2 on CMD chip ad0: ATA-4 disk at ata0-master ad0: 3098MB (6346368 sectors), 6296 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, WDMA2 ad0: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=2 cblid=0 Creating DISK ad0 Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle isp0: 0.2 get user period 0xc offset 0x8 flags 0xfd00 isp0: 0.2 get current period 0x19 offset 0x0 flags 0xc5c0 isp0: 0.2 set current period 0xc offset 0x8 flags 0xfd00 isp0: 0.9 get user period 0xc offset 0x8 flags 0xfd00 isp0: 0.9 get current period 0x19 offset 0x0 flags 0xc5c0 isp0: 0.9 set current period 0xc offset 0x8 flags 0xfd00 that much further. Is somebody making the assumption that clock is 60HZ somewhere? Nah, even at that I'd expect things to have gone further than that... -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 9 15: 6:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B33937B502 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 15:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15488; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e99M6ZF68804; Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:06:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 18:06:35 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14816.44265.344287.683700@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14818.16720.20802.44583@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > Hmm. I think I need to see a disassembly of the region which contains the > > > fault pc. I can't quite see what is happening yet. > > > > OK. As you recall, I've altered kmeminit so that I touch kmemusage > > immediately, rather than waiting for malloc to do it..: > > The address looks ok, so the mapping must be broken. Can I see the value > of vtopte(0xfffffe0000296000). Something bad seems to have happened to the > pte which maps this page. > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. kmem_init: kmemusage = 0xfffffe0000296000 vtopte (kmemusage) = 0xffffffff80000a58 halted CPU 0 halt code = 5 Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 10 1:44:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EEC37B66D for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 01:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 13iv19-000GVz-0K; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:44:12 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA39822; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:51:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:43:23 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14818.16720.20802.44583@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > > Hmm. I think I need to see a disassembly of the region which contains the > > > > fault pc. I can't quite see what is happening yet. > > > > > > OK. As you recall, I've altered kmeminit so that I touch kmemusage > > > immediately, rather than waiting for malloc to do it..: > > > > The address looks ok, so the mapping must be broken. Can I see the value > > of vtopte(0xfffffe0000296000). Something bad seems to have happened to the > > pte which maps this page. > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > kmem_init: kmemusage = 0xfffffe0000296000 > vtopte (kmemusage) = 0xffffffff80000a58 I'm sorry, I think I meant *vtopte(kmemusage). I need to look at the pte itself to see if its sane. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 10 2:21: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB23237B66D; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13ivad-000NBe-0X; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:20:52 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA40316; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:27:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:20:04 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Andrew Gallatin , John Baldwin , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RE: red face better... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Oct 2000, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Still broken for me. Still broken on rawhide. It gets into this loop where the NCR fires an interrupt followed by the ISP and then back again. Its almost as if the act of unmasking one triggers the other to re-fire. Bizarre. ithd_loop pid 15: resumed sched_ithd pid 12(intr: sym0) need=0 alpha_dispatch_intr: setrunqueue 12 ithd_loop pid 15(intr: isp1) need=1 ithd_loop pid 15 ih=0xfffffe0002c1e180: 0xfffffc000036eb80(0xfffffe0002ef9c00) flg=0 ithd_loop pid 15: done ithd_loop pid 12: resumed sched_ithd pid 15(intr: isp1) need=0 alpha_dispatch_intr: setrunqueue 15 ithd_loop pid 12(intr: sym0) need=1 ithd_loop pid 12 ih=0xfffffe0002c1e740: 0xfffffc00003c7840(0xfffffe0002eec000) flg=0 ithd_loop pid 12: done ithd_loop pid 15: resumed sched_ithd pid 12(intr: sym0) need=0 alpha_dispatch_intr: setrunqueue 12 ithd_loop pid 15(intr: isp1) need=1 ithd_loop pid 15 ih=0xfffffe0002c1e180: 0xfffffc000036eb80(0xfffffe0002ef9c00) flg=0 ithd_loop pid 15: done ithd_loop pid 12: resumed sched_ithd pid 15(intr: isp1) need=0 alpha_dispatch_intr: setrunqueue 15 ithd_loop pid 12(intr: sym0) need=1 ithd_loop pid 12 ih=0xfffffe0002c1e740: 0xfffffc00003c7840(0xfffffe0002eec000) flg=0 ithd_loop pid 12: done -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 10 8:22:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.topgroup.com.ar (OL30-45.fibertel.com.ar [24.232.45.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B01237B502 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hal9000 ([192.168.1.65]) by mail.topgroup.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04751 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:30:25 -0300 (ART) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:26:17 -0300 (ART) From: Pablo Castillo To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 35d2bae5 subscribe freebsd-alpha pcastillo@topgroup.com.ar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 10 13:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C4D37B66D for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05490; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9AKK2470915; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:20:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:20:02 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14818.16720.20802.44583@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14819.31072.8716.976218@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > I'm sorry, I think I meant *vtopte(kmemusage). I need to look at the pte > itself to see if its sane. I'm being extra dense too. Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. kmem_init: kmemusage = 0xfffffe0000296000 vtopte (kmemusage) = 0xffffffff80000a58 *(vtopte (kmemusage)) = 0x54b0003111f halted CPU 0 But -- why should the pte be sane yet? This is before the fault, which I thought should be the one to make it sane.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 10 14:44:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF54A37B503 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07222 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9ALiiI71184; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:44:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:44:43 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: can read return MORE than you asked for? X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14819.36145.726782.115049@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When looking into the "swapinfo:cannot read blmeta_t" problem, I discovered that reading /dev/kmem seems to be somewhat broken: <..> lseek(4,0xfffffe00006b8428,-3399988123389603632) = 7046184 (0x6b8428) read(0x4,0x11ffa2d0,0x8) = 16 (0x10) <..> Note the return value of read -- 2x what we asked for! I think I just entered the twilight zone. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 10 18: 2:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006B437B502 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14397; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9B12d437311; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: jdp@polstra.com Message-Id: <200010110102.e9B12d437311@vashon.polstra.com> To: alpha@freebsd.org Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: can read return MORE than you asked for? In-Reply-To: <14819.36145.726782.115049@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14819.36145.726782.115049@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <14819.36145.726782.115049@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > When looking into the "swapinfo:cannot read blmeta_t" problem, I > discovered that reading /dev/kmem seems to be somewhat broken: > > <..> > lseek(4,0xfffffe00006b8428,-3399988123389603632) = 7046184 (0x6b8428) > read(0x4,0x11ffa2d0,0x8) = 16 (0x10) > <..> > > Note the return value of read -- 2x what we asked for! Ah, but you're on an Alpha, where everything is twice as big. :-) John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 10 18: 6:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1237B503 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09702; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9B16VX71539; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:06:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:06:31 -0400 (EDT) To: jdp@polstra.com Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can read return MORE than you asked for? In-Reply-To: <200010110102.e9B12d437311@vashon.polstra.com> References: <14819.36145.726782.115049@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200010110102.e9B12d437311@vashon.polstra.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14819.48292.278569.728210@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jdp@polstra.com writes: > > Note the return value of read -- 2x what we asked for! > > Ah, but you're on an Alpha, where everything is twice as big. :-) Heh.. ;) But I think I fixed it -- the world is getting safer for serial consoles.. -- spewing that crap takes for-ever on a serial console! gallatin 2000/10/10 18:01:54 PDT Modified files: sys/alpha/alpha mem.c Log: kmem transfers were being double-counted due to a missing continue. This silences the dreaded "swapinfo:cannot read blmeta_t" messages at boot. I'm really suprised there were no PRs open about this... Revision Changes Path 1.32 +2 -1 src/sys/alpha/alpha/mem.c Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 10 18:35: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE1E37B503; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (ether.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.196]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9B1Yei71955; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200010091847.LAA84505@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha synch_machdep.c Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, dfr@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 09-Oct-00 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > gallatin 2000/10/09 11:47:49 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/alpha/alpha synch_machdep.c > Log: > kernacc() only knows about mapped memory, not K0SEG addresses. > Before calling kernacc(), make sure that we're not calling it > with a K0SEG address. > > This gets alphas booting with SMP_DEBUG & INVARIANTS options > > approved by: jhb After thinking about this some more, shouldn't we rather be fixing kernacc() instead? Maybe only if(cold)? -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 1:39:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF42C37B502; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13jHQM-000FBq-0U; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:39:43 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA44459; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:46:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:38:48 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Baldwin Cc: Andrew Gallatin , alpha@freebsd.org, dfr@freebsd.org Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha synch_machdep.c In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 09-Oct-00 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > gallatin 2000/10/09 11:47:49 PDT > > > > Modified files: > > sys/alpha/alpha synch_machdep.c > > Log: > > kernacc() only knows about mapped memory, not K0SEG addresses. > > Before calling kernacc(), make sure that we're not calling it > > with a K0SEG address. > > > > This gets alphas booting with SMP_DEBUG & INVARIANTS options > > > > approved by: jhb > > After thinking about this some more, shouldn't we rather be fixing > kernacc() instead? Maybe only if(cold)? I think we should teach the VM system about direct-mapped regions. Certain data structures (zones, vm_page_ts, any malloc which is smaller than a page etc. are a waste of TLBs when you can use a direct-mapped region to get at the memory. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 1:50:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0810337B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13jHaW-000A5D-0V; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:50:13 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA44768; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:57:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:49:27 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14819.31072.8716.976218@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > I'm sorry, I think I meant *vtopte(kmemusage). I need to look at the pte > > itself to see if its sane. > > I'm being extra dense too. > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > kmem_init: kmemusage = 0xfffffe0000296000 > vtopte (kmemusage) = 0xffffffff80000a58 > *(vtopte (kmemusage)) = 0x54b0003111f > > halted CPU 0 > > > But -- why should the pte be sane yet? This is before the fault, > which I thought should be the one to make it sane.. Kernel pages are generally mapped before they are used so that we don't waste time faulting and patching the pages into the map via vm_fault(). This page is managed, wired, read/writable but is set to fault on read/write/execute. This fault is simply to perform software accounting for accessed and dirty flags and is probably a red herring. We need to somehow find the fault which actually kills the machine (assuming that this isn't the one - we need to check that). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 4:45:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from main.amu.edu.pl (main.amu.edu.pl [150.254.65.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4E137B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SpiderWeb (root@main.amu.edu.pl [150.254.65.7]) by main.amu.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05713 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:45:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Pawel Nogas Organization: Uniwersytet im. Adama Mickiewicza w Poznaniu To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:32:01 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00101113453803.02358@SpiderWeb> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have tried to install FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233. I am having the following problems: Release 4.1.1 - installation program does not detect any hard disks (kernel not detecting my scsi controler) Release 4.0, 4.1 - system have been installed sucessfuly, but i can't boot it: >>> boot dka0 (boot dka0.0.0.6.0) block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.0 is valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.0 bootstrap code read in base = 1f2000, image_start = 0, image bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1e4000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primaty CPU jumping to bootstrap code Loading /boot/loader halted CPU 0 halt code = 2 kernel stack not valid halt PC = 0 boot failure >>> Does anybody know what is wrong ? -- ===================================================================== Pawel Nogas Adam Mickiewicz University Computer Centre pnogas@amu.edu.pl ul. Matejki 48/49, 60-769 Poznan, Poland tel. +48 61 8668651 ext.34 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 6: 6:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B5937B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 06:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18794; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9BD6Uw72451; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:06:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:06:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Pawel Nogas Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 In-Reply-To: <00101113453803.02358@SpiderWeb> References: <00101113453803.02358@SpiderWeb> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14820.25415.513392.588558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pawel Nogas writes: > > I have tried to install FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233. > I am having the following problems: <...> > Release 4.0, 4.1 - system have been installed sucessfuly, but i can't boot it: > How did you install it? There's a few things that could have gone wrong that might result in what you're seeing: - You installed on a disk with an fdisk table (eg root is da0s1a and not da0a) -- You cannot use fdisk slices on alpha boot disks. - You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha - Your loader got clobbered or otherwise corrupted. The easiest thing to try is copying the /boot/loader file from the boot floppy into /boot/loader in your root partition. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 8: 0:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEFC37B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chriss@localhost) by phys.ksu.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0/phys) with SMTP id KAA25991 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:00:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:00:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: XP1000/Linux/things Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Both the 4.1 and 4.1.1 install ISO end with the "Going nowhere without my Init" and panic that I have seen discussed in the 4.1 RELNOTES.TXT. I did have to remove a second non-bootable drive from the scsi chain to get past this, but seem to have gotten past this OK. Whats the word on linux compat for the alpha. I have 3 of these XP1000 with a crufty old redhat install on them that are in need of repartitioning and new OS. The main issue is with this compaq fortran compiler for linux. I remember people reporting some success with patches, but I could not find a "Yep, it works, have fun" announcement. Has there been any hinting at a fbsd version of this compiler from the Compaq people? Also... We are seeing these machines lock up with the current redhat/metroX setup where the screen will freeze, even through a reboot, and wont respond again till the power is removed. Anoyone seen this happen with fbsd? It gets really old, and hopefully this will help me get away from redhat. Thanks Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 8: 7:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DA237B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21329; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9BF7Yf76070; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:07:34 -0400 (EDT) To: Chris Casey Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14820.33068.713938.530183@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Casey writes: <..> > Whats the word on linux compat for the alpha. I have 3 of these XP1000 Look through the alpha mailing list archives. My patchset (http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gallatin/linux-alpha.diff.gz) and tarball (http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gallatin/linux-alpha.tar.gz) should be sufficient to the get Compaq compilers working for you. I'm hoping to get Linux/alpha support working in a more official way sometime in the next few months. There's a few more things on my plate before I get to that though.. > with a crufty old redhat install on them that are in need of > repartitioning and new OS. The main issue is with this compaq fortran > compiler for linux. I remember people reporting some success with patches, > but I could not find a "Yep, it works, have fun" announcement. Has there > been any hinting at a fbsd version of this compiler from the Compaq > people? Not that I know about. It would be really nice though ;) > Also... We are seeing these machines lock up with the current > redhat/metroX setup where the screen will freeze, even through a reboot, > and wont respond again till the power is removed. Anoyone seen this happen > with fbsd? It gets really old, and hopefully this will help me get away > from redhat. XF86 4.0.1 is pretty stable on irongate & tsunami based machines. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 8:58:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BE537B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13jOGp-0000Fx-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:58:19 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9BG0T811862; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:00:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:00:29 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Chris Casey Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things Message-ID: <20001011180029.E11608@freebie.demon.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from chriss@phys.ksu.edu on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 10:00:34AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 10:00:34AM -0500, Chris Casey wrote: > > Both the 4.1 and 4.1.1 install ISO end with the "Going nowhere without my > Init" and panic that I have seen discussed in the 4.1 RELNOTES.TXT. > I did have to remove a second non-bootable drive from the scsi chain to > get past this, but seem to have gotten past this OK. > > Whats the word on linux compat for the alpha. I have 3 of these XP1000 > with a crufty old redhat install on them that are in need of Cool.. XP1000. Would like one ;-) > repartitioning and new OS. The main issue is with this compaq fortran > compiler for linux. I remember people reporting some success with patches, > but I could not find a "Yep, it works, have fun" announcement. Has there > been any hinting at a fbsd version of this compiler from the Compaq > people? You might want to ping gallatin@freebsd.org or marcel@freebsd.org (Marcel is the Linuxulator guru) -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 9: 9:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E4F37B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chriss@localhost) by phys.ksu.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0/phys) with SMTP id LAA26019; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:09:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:09:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey Reply-To: Chris Casey To: Wilko Bulte Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things In-Reply-To: <20001011180029.E11608@freebie.demon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Cool.. XP1000. Would like one ;-) > They go really damn fast. This 500Mhz box blows the doors off a Ghz t-bird that just came through the shop doing some factoring tests. Amazing. Anyway, this look familiar to anyome: --- Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf Unable to load a kernel! | can't load 'kernel' halted CPU 0 halt code = 2 kernel stack not valid halt PC = fffffc0000553b8c boot failure >>> --- When redhat was put on here there was all sorts of trouble with disk partitions and booting and everything basically. But the 4.1.1 install went without a hitch, and it would seem that if i'm getting that far then any disk partition problems wouldn't be an issue. But I very probably could be wrong. I've tried setting the boot file to /kernel kernel.GENERIC, always the same "can't load 'kernel'". Thanks for the quick help guys. Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 9:17:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from main.amu.edu.pl (main.amu.edu.pl [150.254.65.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EAB37B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SpiderWeb (root@main.amu.edu.pl [150.254.65.7]) by main.amu.edu.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10550; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:16:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Pawel Nogas Organization: Uniwersytet im. Adama Mickiewicza w Poznaniu To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:03:38 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain References: <00101113453803.02358@SpiderWeb> <14820.25415.513392.588558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> In-Reply-To: <14820.25415.513392.588558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00101118165300.00706@SpiderWeb> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, you wrote: >Pawel Nogas writes: > > > > Release 4.0, 4.1 - system have been installed sucessfuly, but i can't boot it: > > > >How did you install it? There's a few things that could have gone >wrong that might result in what you're seeing: > >- You installed on a disk with an fdisk table (eg root is da0s1a and not da0a) > -- You cannot use fdisk slices on alpha boot disks. > >- You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha > distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha I installed it via ftp from ftp.freebsd.org. I don't use any slices. > >- Your loader got clobbered or otherwise corrupted. > >The easiest thing to try is copying the /boot/loader file from the >boot floppy into /boot/loader in your root partition. > Can I do it using only kern.flp and mfsroot.flp ? (unfortunetly fixit.flp is only in 2.88MB format, and I have not 2.88 floppy drive in this workstation) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 9:40:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D381337B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23837; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9BGeXX76409; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:40:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:40:33 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14819.31072.8716.976218@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14820.26156.761015.912596@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > > > I'm sorry, I think I meant *vtopte(kmemusage). I need to look at the pte > > > itself to see if its sane. > > > > I'm being extra dense too. > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > > kmem_init: kmemusage = 0xfffffe0000296000 > > vtopte (kmemusage) = 0xffffffff80000a58 > > *(vtopte (kmemusage)) = 0x54b0003111f > > > > halted CPU 0 > > > > > > But -- why should the pte be sane yet? This is before the fault, > > which I thought should be the one to make it sane.. > > Kernel pages are generally mapped before they are used so that we don't > waste time faulting and patching the pages into the map via vm_fault(). > > This page is managed, wired, read/writable but is set to fault on > read/write/execute. This fault is simply to perform software accounting > for accessed and dirty flags and is probably a red herring. We need to > somehow find the fault which actually kills the machine (assuming that > this isn't the one - we need to check that). I'm fairly certain that this *is* the fault that kills the machine. The key information is that this is the first fault we take at bootup. The problem doesn't have anything to do with the actual fault, the problem is is that the XentMM() routine ends up jumping into the data segment when it attempts to call trap(). You should be able to duplicate this fairly easily on any kernel whose size is > 4MB. Without my little hack, this fault will naturally occur inside of malloc the first time its called (by the hints code these days). I don't think this is a new problem, as the KAME people are seeing it in 4.1 kernels. I think we just finally grew huge enough with SMPng and assoiciated SMPng debugging goop to get over 4MB kernels. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 11: 2:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B6F37B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13jQD8-0002bL-00; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:02:38 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9BI4m512414; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:04:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:04:48 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Chris Casey Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things Message-ID: <20001011200448.A12377@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20001011180029.E11608@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from chriss@phys.ksu.edu on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 11:09:01AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 11:09:01AM -0500, Chris Casey wrote: > > Cool.. XP1000. Would like one ;-) > > > > They go really damn fast. This 500Mhz box blows the doors off a Ghz t-bird > that just came through the shop doing some factoring tests. Amazing. Yes... very cute.. > Anyway, this look familiar to anyome: Yes, but only in -current. There has been a lot of fun & games lately. See the mailinglist archives. But 4.1* there should be no such issue (that I'm aware of) You can type 'ls' at the loader prompt (before it boots) to see what files are on / (or on /boot/kernel/* for -current) W/ > > --- > > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > Unable to load a kernel! > | > can't load 'kernel' > > halted CPU 0 > > halt code = 2 > kernel stack not valid halt > PC = fffffc0000553b8c > boot failure > >>> -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 11:19:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9BF37B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adlmail.cup.hp.com (adlmail.cup.hp.com [15.0.100.30]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB41B5ED; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cup.hp.com (gauss.cup.hp.com [15.28.97.152]) by adlmail.cup.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18546)/8.9.3 SMKit7.02) with ESMTP id LAA29735; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39E4AF05.6A942912@cup.hp.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:18:45 -0400 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Chris Casey , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things References: <14820.33068.713938.530183@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Look through the alpha mailing list archives. My patchset > (http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gallatin/linux-alpha.diff.gz) and tarball > (http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gallatin/linux-alpha.tar.gz) should be > sufficient to the get Compaq compilers working for you. > > I'm hoping to get Linux/alpha support working in a more official way > sometime in the next few months. There's a few more things on my > plate before I get to that though.. My plate has had it's last upgrade months ago and at this time no more upgrades are possible. Needles to say that it is full. Any intentions to put in some extra effort are ruthlessly confronted with reality that I actually need a break :-) In short: People are working on it... sort of... :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar mail: marcel@cup.hp.com / marcel@FreeBSD.org tel: (408) 447-4222 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 12:42:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from phys.ksu.edu (schottky.phys.ksu.edu [129.130.5.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8953137B79F for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chriss@localhost) by phys.ksu.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0/phys) with SMTP id OAA26081; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:19:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:19:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Casey To: Wilko Bulte Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things In-Reply-To: <20001011200448.A12377@freebie.demon.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > You can type 'ls' at the loader prompt (before it boots) to see what > files are on / (or on /boot/kernel/* for -current) > Thats the thing, i never get to a loader prompt, it bails out aparently when its trying to load the kernel before it gives the option to boot or get the loader prompt. This disk has been messed with with linux fdisk, I see no fdiskish utils in sysinstall. Does sysinstall do any checks/reorganizing on the disk when it lays out the fs? oh.. my retry from the 4.1-install.iso just finished, and it seems that that one works fine. So its something on the 4.1.1 that doesnt get along with this machine. At least its alive now. > > > > --- > > > > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > > Unable to load a kernel! > > | > > can't load 'kernel' > > > > halted CPU 0 > > > > halt code = 2 > > kernel stack not valid halt > > PC = fffffc0000553b8c > > boot failure > > >>> > > -- > Wilko Bulte > wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands > Chris Casey Unix System Administrator KSU Physics Department (785) 532-6810 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 13: 0:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61C437B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28200; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9BK0OO76673; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:00:24 -0400 (EDT) To: Chris Casey Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things In-Reply-To: References: <20001011200448.A12377@freebie.demon.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14820.50779.951988.104500@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Casey writes: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > You can type 'ls' at the loader prompt (before it boots) to see what > > files are on / (or on /boot/kernel/* for -current) > > > > Thats the thing, i never get to a loader prompt, it bails out aparently > when its trying to load the kernel before it gives the option to boot or > get the loader prompt. This disk has been messed with with linux fdisk, I > see no fdiskish utils in sysinstall. Does sysinstall do any > checks/reorganizing on the disk when it lays out the fs? > > oh.. my retry from the 4.1-install.iso just finished, and it seems that > that one works fine. So its something on the 4.1.1 that doesnt get along > with this machine. At least its alive now. If you have a chance (and don't mind trashing your machine), can you install the boot1 bootstrap from the 4.1.1 CD? If you see the same behaviour (ksp not valid) then the 1st stage boostrap is what's messed up, not the second stage (loader). You should be able to install boot1 from the 4.1 CD the same way you did above to back out if this. Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 13:48: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from netplex.com.au (adsl-64-163-195-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.163.195.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A85837B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netplex.com.au (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netplex.com.au (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9BKloG29288; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:47:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <200010112047.e9BKloG29288@netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Chris Casey , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things In-Reply-To: <14820.50779.951988.104500@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:47:50 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Chris Casey writes: > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > You can type 'ls' at the loader prompt (before it boots) to see what > > > files are on / (or on /boot/kernel/* for -current) > > > > > > > Thats the thing, i never get to a loader prompt, it bails out aparently > > when its trying to load the kernel before it gives the option to boot or > > get the loader prompt. This disk has been messed with with linux fdisk, I > > see no fdiskish utils in sysinstall. Does sysinstall do any > > checks/reorganizing on the disk when it lays out the fs? > > > > oh.. my retry from the 4.1-install.iso just finished, and it seems that > > that one works fine. So its something on the 4.1.1 that doesnt get along > > with this machine. At least its alive now. > > If you have a chance (and don't mind trashing your machine), can you > install the boot1 bootstrap from the 4.1.1 CD? If you see the same > behaviour (ksp not valid) then the 1st stage boostrap is what's messed > up, not the second stage (loader). > > You should be able to install boot1 from the 4.1 CD the same way you > did above to back out if this. > > Thanks, > > Drew Do you know what is odd? I have a stuck alpha with the exact same problem. .. except I have -current on mine. My error is slightly different, because it is trying to look for /boot/kernel/kernel[maybe .ko, I dont recall], and I only had /kernel on that box. We have a cd that can be used for a fixit, right? (and I still have the old disk that was used on this box, it is still bootable so when I get a chance, I will boot with that and see what is up.) Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 17:30:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E05D37B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 13jWGt-0000FI-00; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 02:30:55 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9BNjmC38805 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:45:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <8s2u3c$15i0$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <14820.33068.713938.530183@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > XF86 4.0.1 is pretty stable on irongate & tsunami based machines. On this ALCOR-based PC164, on the other hand, it kept dying immediately when I started netscape. I have reverted to 3.3.6. (YMMV, but 4.0.1 looks like an unfinished, undocumented prototype to me.) -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 17:38:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D880937B66C for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03517; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9C0cVx77147; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:38:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:38:31 -0400 (EDT) To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things In-Reply-To: <8s2u3c$15i0$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <14820.33068.713938.530183@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <8s2u3c$15i0$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14821.1975.843074.587443@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christian Weisgerber writes: > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > XF86 4.0.1 is pretty stable on irongate & tsunami based machines. Note that I said irongate and tsunami. They're as forgiving of device access bugs as a pc. > On this ALCOR-based PC164, on the other hand, it kept dying > immediately when I started netscape. I have reverted to 3.3.6. > (YMMV, but 4.0.1 looks like an unfinished, undocumented prototype > to me.) 4.0.1 works just as well (poorly) as 3.3.6 ever did for me, at least, on my Miata. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 17:49: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6615037B503 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24488; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAuIaGHV; Wed Oct 11 17:45:56 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10968; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:48:39 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:48:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: pnogas@amu.edu.pl (Pawel Nogas), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <14820.25415.513392.588558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> from "Andrew Gallatin" at Oct 11, 2000 09:06:30 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > - You installed on a disk with an fdisk table (eg root is da0s1a and not da0a) > -- You cannot use fdisk slices on alpha boot disks. How is this possible, using the system tools, if Alpha cannot boot from it? Are they broken? > - You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha > distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha How is this possible? Same question: is the install process broken, in that it actually permits this to happen, ever? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 17:52:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831AF37B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29014; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:52:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:52:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: Andrew Gallatin , Pawel Nogas , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 In-Reply-To: <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: > Andrew Gallatin writes: > > - You installed on a disk with an fdisk table (eg root is da0s1a and not da0a) > > -- You cannot use fdisk slices on alpha boot disks. > > How is this possible, using the system tools, if Alpha cannot boot > from it? Are they broken? SRM doesn't grok MSDOS partitions, and SRM is the only supported boot montor. > > > > - You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha > > distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha > > How is this possible? Same question: is the install process broken, > in that it actually permits this to happen, ever? You're talking to the wrong folks on this one. Take it up with JKH && Mike Smith.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 17:52:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD92337B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03723; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9C0qT677201; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:52:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:52:29 -0400 (EDT) To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 In-Reply-To: <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> References: <14820.25415.513392.588558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14821.2733.354190.309985@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > How is this possible? Same question: is the install process broken, > in that it actually permits this to happen, ever? I think both have occured in the past. I know that at least the latter was possible when somebody booted from floppies & installed x86 bins from the cd. Basically, I never run the install tools on alpha & I don't keep up w/bugs in said tools. Its more likely the boot loader is broken. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 18:44:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB9537B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17081; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAaPaGjH; Wed Oct 11 18:44:39 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12166; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:44:11 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010120144.SAA12166@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 To: mjacob@feral.com Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:44:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin), pnogas@amu.edu.pl (Pawel Nogas), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Matthew Jacob" at Oct 11, 2000 05:52:02 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > - You installed on a disk with an fdisk table (eg root is > > > da0s1a and not da0a) -- You cannot use fdisk slices on > > > alpha boot disks. > > > > How is this possible, using the system tools, if Alpha cannot boot > > from it? Are they broken? > > SRM doesn't grok MSDOS partitions, and SRM is the only supported boot montor. So doing closure on this: IF the Alpha distribution can create something that can't be booted by the only supported boot monitor THEN yes, the tools are broken. > > > - You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha > > > distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha > > > > How is this possible? Same question: is the install process broken, > > in that it actually permits this to happen, ever? > > You're talking to the wrong folks on this one. Take it up with JKH && Mike > Smith.... Identifying what needs to be done is half the battle. I have an old, slow Alpha box off of OnSale, which I may be willing to get a new scratch disk for, to work on the problem, if the soloution is known, just not yet implemented. I'm burning my think-cycles on other stuff right now, but this seems to be reducible to a "strong back, weak mind" coding problem, where the fixer won't really have to think to much about the fix, if it's know why this is possible. Worst case, we poop a file named "arch-ok" into all the tarballs, and put in the architectures it can be used on, one per line. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 11 19:22:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141B937B502 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29352; Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:22:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:22:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: Andrew Gallatin , Pawel Nogas , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 In-Reply-To: <200010120144.SAA12166@usr09.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > How is this possible, using the system tools, if Alpha cannot boot > > > from it? Are they broken? > > > > SRM doesn't grok MSDOS partitions, and SRM is the only supported boot montor. > > So doing closure on this: > > IF the Alpha distribution can create something that can't > be booted by the only supported boot monitor > THEN yes, the tools are broken. Yes, I've maintained they've been lacking for a while. The other issue here is that 'dangerously dedicated' for Alpha and 'dangerously dedicated' for i386 are not interoperable for FreeBSD- despite the fact that the disklabel program says the types and sizes of partititions are identical. I fail to see how two little endian machines that see a disk (from the point of view of a user application) can't make a FFS filesystem that can be read by the other guy. There's been a lot of talk back and forth about this and yit-yat about slice code and on and on and on with a lot of opinions being expressed and not much being done. I sure haven't taken the time to delve into the problem- being of the opinion that the original code designers ought to shoot their own mutt- but this are sure could have somebody with brains and multiplatform experience looking into it. I shudder to think what a Sparc port would do. *groan* > > > > - You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha > > > > distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha > > > > > > How is this possible? Same question: is the install process broken, > > > in that it actually permits this to happen, ever? > > > > You're talking to the wrong folks on this one. Take it up with JKH && Mike > > Smith.... > > Identifying what needs to be done is half the battle. I have an > old, slow Alpha box off of OnSale, which I may be willing to get > a new scratch disk for, to work on the problem, if the soloution > is known, just not yet implemented. > > I'm burning my think-cycles on other stuff right now, but this > seems to be reducible to a "strong back, weak mind" coding problem, > where the fixer won't really have to think to much about the fix, > if it's know why this is possible. > > Worst case, we poop a file named "arch-ok" into all the tarballs, > and put in the architectures it can be used on, one per line. Oh, well, if you're going to go this far, one might as well use RPMs or SVr4 packages which do all this dependency crap for one. FWIW, my opinion is that the install tools are both under and overengineered. The (older) NetBSD && OpenBSD installers have it right in that installation is simply partitionable into: select the root disk of all available disks label it (as *appropriate* for the platform involved)- with minimal choices as to layout set up initial networking extract the right tarball set (no choices as to content) Disks are cheap enough to make fooling around pointless and annoying and very error prone w/o a helluva lot more engineering than has been devoted so far. A simple "How much swap? Do you prefer one root filesystem or a separate /, /usr and /var? Which disk?" should be it. Similarily, Slackware and the earlier RedHat distributions also were fine things because they more or less followed this approach. Everyone seems to then fall into "We gotta have a fancy GUI installer". I'm sure it looks good to reviewers and some folks- but if it makes it a major gamble to install reasonable h/w, what's the point? -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 1:39:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6AD37B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13jdte-0002wN-0A; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:39:27 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA48807; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:47:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:38:38 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14820.26156.761015.912596@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > > > > > I'm sorry, I think I meant *vtopte(kmemusage). I need to look at the pte > > > > itself to see if its sane. > > > > > > I'm being extra dense too. > > > > > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > > > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > > > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > > > kmem_init: kmemusage = 0xfffffe0000296000 > > > vtopte (kmemusage) = 0xffffffff80000a58 > > > *(vtopte (kmemusage)) = 0x54b0003111f > > > > > > halted CPU 0 > > > > > > > > > But -- why should the pte be sane yet? This is before the fault, > > > which I thought should be the one to make it sane.. > > > > Kernel pages are generally mapped before they are used so that we don't > > waste time faulting and patching the pages into the map via vm_fault(). > > > > This page is managed, wired, read/writable but is set to fault on > > read/write/execute. This fault is simply to perform software accounting > > for accessed and dirty flags and is probably a red herring. We need to > > somehow find the fault which actually kills the machine (assuming that > > this isn't the one - we need to check that). > > I'm fairly certain that this *is* the fault that kills the machine. > The key information is that this is the first fault we take at bootup. > The problem doesn't have anything to do with the actual fault, the > problem is is that the XentMM() routine ends up jumping into the data > segment when it attempts to call trap(). > > You should be able to duplicate this fairly easily on any kernel whose > size is > 4MB. Without my little hack, this fault will naturally > occur inside of malloc the first time its called (by the hints code > these days). > > I don't think this is a new problem, as the KAME people are seeing it > in 4.1 kernels. I think we just finally grew huge enough with SMPng > and assoiciated SMPng debugging goop to get over 4MB kernels. Hey, I just thought of something. Perhaps the globals segment has grown too large. The alpha can only support 64k of globals with $gp pointing at base+32k so that the code can use 16bit signed offsets from $gp to access it. The code at XentMM indirects through $gp to find the address of trap() so either $gp is bad or the globals table itself is bad. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 4:34:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB5137B502 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id EAA88428; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:33:11 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Chris Casey , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things Message-ID: <20001012043311.A87859@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <14820.33068.713938.530183@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <14820.33068.713938.530183@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 11:07:34AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 11:07:34AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Whats the word on linux compat for the alpha. I have 3 of these XP1000 > > I'm hoping to get Linux/alpha support working in a more official way > sometime in the next few months. There's a few more things on my > plate before I get to that though.. At the moment, I'm the hold up. I still have some commits to do w/in sys/alpha/linux in -CURRENT. My first commits after the repo copy is to do a minimal content commit, followed by whitespace, and then reorg commit. The AlhpaLinux bits Andrew has put up for RELENG_4 have problems running on PRE_SMPNG [tagged] -CURRENT. Hopefully soon, I'll have sys/alpha/linux in shape for us all to try to fix the problems. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 4:35:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9116737B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id EAA88442; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:34:16 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Chris Casey Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things Message-ID: <20001012043416.B87859@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chriss@phys.ksu.edu on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 10:00:34AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 10:00:34AM -0500, Chris Casey wrote: > Both the 4.1 and 4.1.1 install ISO end with the "Going nowhere without my > Init" and panic that I have seen discussed in the 4.1 RELNOTES.TXT. I can reproduce this at will. But our Sysinstall maintainer for debugging patches :-) so we can get the bottom of this. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 4:38:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E9D37B502 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id EAA88468; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:37:37 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Peter Wemm Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XP1000/Linux/things Message-ID: <20001012043737.C87859@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <14820.50779.951988.104500@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200010112047.e9BKloG29288@netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010112047.e9BKloG29288@netplex.com.au>; from peter@netplex.com.au on Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 01:47:50PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 01:47:50PM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > > We have a cd that can be used for a fixit, right? Yes. Infact the 4.1 disc#2 should even be usable on a serial console. (but I don't promiss it) -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 4:41:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD8C37B66C for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id EAA88521; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:41:06 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Message-ID: <20001012044106.D87859@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <14820.25415.513392.588558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:48:39AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:48:39AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > Andrew Gallatin writes: > > - You installed on a disk with an fdisk table (eg root is da0s1a and not da0a) > > -- You cannot use fdisk slices on alpha boot disks. > > How is this possible, using the system tools, if Alpha cannot boot > from it? Are they broken? YES, libdisk is totally fucked WRT the Alpha. As is our kernel's slice code. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 4:49:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C01137B502 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id EAA88746; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:49:09 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Message-ID: <20001012044909.E87859@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200010120144.SAA12166@usr09.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010120144.SAA12166@usr09.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:44:11AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:44:11AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > Identifying what needs to be done is half the battle. I have an > old, slow Alpha box off of OnSale, which I may be willing to get > a new scratch disk for, to work on the problem, if the soloution > is known, just not yet implemented. There are known problems on the Alpha. 1. Disklabels are incorrectly marked read-only at times. `dd' had to have a hack added to it to get around this -- and lately it often doesn't. Thus ``dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da1'' typically doesn't work if the disk had say AlphaLinux on it. 2. ``disklable'' asts about as useless as `dd' on a DU or AlphaLinux labeled disk. 3. Libdisk freaks out if the disk you are installing to already had another OS on it. Sysinstall acts as if libdisk called exit(). 4. Our current slice code isn't layered (thus allowing one to bypass it). Instead it is so intertwined with the rest of the disk code, it isn't apparent how to dike it out for the Alpha case. You supply patches to fix any of these and I will force them them into the tree. The current situation is pretty bad. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 6:31: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D6D37B66D for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 13jiRp-0000zA-00; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:31:01 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9CCxsf92425 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:59:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <8s4cka$2ptq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <200010120144.SAA12166@usr09.primenet.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > > SRM doesn't grok MSDOS partitions, and SRM is the only supported boot montor. > IF the Alpha distribution can create something that can't > be booted by the only supported boot monitor > THEN yes, the tools are broken. But that's not the case. Even if you wanted to, you couldn't use sysinstall on alpha to create a sliced disk. There is only the "L)abel" menu option. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 6:31: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B54537B66E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 13jiRp-0000zA-01; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:31:01 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9CD8HB92788 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:08:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <8s4d41$2ptq$2@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <200010120144.SAA12166@usr09.primenet.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > The other issue here is that 'dangerously dedicated' for Alpha and > 'dangerously dedicated' for i386 are not interoperable for FreeBSD- despite > the fact that the disklabel program says the types and sizes of partititions > are identical. Are you saying the disklabel program on i386 can actually read the disklabel on an alpha disk or vice versa? I'm under the impression (from ) that the disklabels are simply in different places for the two architectures. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 6:48:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6F537B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 06:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12467; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9CDmRE78145; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:48:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:48:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14820.26156.761015.912596@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14821.48907.65092.873577@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > > Hey, I just thought of something. Perhaps the globals segment has grown > too large. The alpha can only support 64k of globals with $gp pointing at > base+32k so that the code can use 16bit signed offsets from $gp to access > it. > > The code at XentMM indirects through $gp to find the address of trap() so > either $gp is bad or the globals table itself is bad. Errm. Dumb question. How do we find the size of the globals table to confirm this? Is this the same thing as the .got section in objdump's --headers output? Next dumb question -- is there any way around this, other than reducing the sheer number of globals? Thanks again, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 9:21:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3490337B502 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31383; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:21:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 In-Reply-To: <8s4d41$2ptq$2@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > The other issue here is that 'dangerously dedicated' for Alpha and > > 'dangerously dedicated' for i386 are not interoperable for FreeBSD- despite > > the fact that the disklabel program says the types and sizes of partititions > > are identical. > > Are you saying the disklabel program on i386 can actually read the > disklabel on an alpha disk or vice versa? I'm under the impression > (from ) that the disklabels are simply in different > places for the two architectures. I haven't looked at the code., Yes, of course it should. A disklabel is a disklabel. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 9:42:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D9F37B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e9CGgEs28011 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:42:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [fec0::104:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e9CGfsh15837; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.9.2) id e9CGfrl65905; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:41:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:41:53 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Message-ID: <20001012184153.A65871@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <200010120144.SAA12166@usr09.primenet.com> <8s4d41$2ptq$2@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <8s4d41$2ptq$2@kemoauc.mips.inka.de>; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:08:17PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 01:08:17PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Are you saying the disklabel program on i386 can actually read the > disklabel on an alpha disk or vice versa? I'm under the impression > (from ) that the disklabels are simply in different > places for the two architectures. They are on different places. I migrated an HDD from i386 to alpha (non sliced) by simply reallocating the disklabel. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 10:47:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAD137B66C for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 13jmRo-0008TS-00; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:47:16 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9CHkG614255 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:46:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <8s4td8$dhe$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <8s4d41$2ptq$2@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > I haven't looked at the code., Yes, of course it should. A disklabel is a > disklabel. But it is in different places on different platforms. I suspect this is not entirely gratuitous and somewhat affected by platform-dependent bootstrap requirements. On i386, the label is at sector 1, offset 0. On alpha, it's at sector 0, offset 64. I've just looked through OpenBSD's collection of /sys/arch/*/include/disklabel.h, and those two places seem to be the most popular ones but by no means the only ones. For the MVME[68]8k machines it's at sector 0, offset 0, and the Atari and HP300 platforms have more complicated locations. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 11:16:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6B037B66C for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (ether.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.196]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9CIGCi22488; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:16:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:16:48 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, (Pawel Nogas) , (Andrew Gallatin) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Oct-00 Terry Lambert wrote: > Andrew Gallatin writes: >> - You installed on a disk with an fdisk table (eg root is da0s1a and not >> da0a) >> -- You cannot use fdisk slices on alpha boot disks. > > How is this possible, using the system tools, if Alpha cannot boot > from it? Are they broken? This shouldn't be possible. The fdisk command isn't even compiled on the alpha, and in the alpha version of sysinstall all MBR handling code is #ifdef'd out. >> - You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha >> distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha > > How is this possible? Same question: is the install process broken, > in that it actually permits this to happen, ever? Hmmm. If you booted from alpha floppies and tried to use the x86 CD I'm not sure it would catch the error. If you booted the CD then you certainly can't install from the wrong one unless you sadistically swap the CD's after booting. > Terry Lambert -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 11:22:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E7C37B503; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:22:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18770; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9CIMbZ78775; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:22:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:22:37 -0400 (EDT) To: John Baldwin Cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, (Pawel Nogas) Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 In-Reply-To: References: <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14822.97.297867.857108@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin writes: > > Hmmm. If you booted from alpha floppies and tried to use the x86 CD > I'm not sure it would catch the error. If you booted the CD then you This was common (at least a few people complained about it) around the time of 4.0-release. People started getting x86 4.0 CDs in the mail. It wasn't terribly clear they were x86 only. Some people erroniously thought it had alpha bits on it too, but just didn't boot on alpha. They downloaded floppies. Threw CD in when sysinstall asked for media. Sysinstall installed x86 binaries. People complained that their system wouldn't boot. Never underestimate the ability of people hang themselves when given sufficient rope :-( Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 11:48:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9300837B66C; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (ether.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.196]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9CIkai23513; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14822.97.297867.857108@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Cc: (Pawel Nogas) , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, Terry Lambert , jkh@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Oct-00 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > John Baldwin writes: > > > > Hmmm. If you booted from alpha floppies and tried to use the x86 CD > > I'm not sure it would catch the error. If you booted the CD then you > > This was common (at least a few people complained about it) around > the time of 4.0-release. > > People started getting x86 4.0 CDs in the mail. It wasn't terribly > clear they were x86 only. Some people erroniously thought it had > alpha bits on it too, but just didn't boot on alpha. They downloaded > floppies. Threw CD in when sysinstall asked for media. Sysinstall > installed x86 binaries. People complained that their system wouldn't > boot. > > Never underestimate the ability of people hang themselves when given > sufficient rope :-( All the more reason to change the x86 CD's to say 'FreeBSD/x86'. *prod* *prod* > Drew -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 13: 1:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B74B37B66D for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13joXj-0003AX-00; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:01:31 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9C87Kj18640; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:07:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:07:20 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: Andrew Gallatin , Pawel Nogas , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD on AlphaStation 255/233 Message-ID: <20001012100720.A18613@freebie.demon.nl> References: <14820.25415.513392.588558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200010120048.RAA10968@usr09.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:48:39AM +0000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 12:48:39AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > Andrew Gallatin writes: .. > > - You accidentally managed to install with i386 and not alpha > > distribution sets --- there are separate CDs for x86 and alpha > > How is this possible? Same question: is the install process broken, > in that it actually permits this to happen, ever? It is. It happened to me once, long time ago. I think the installer only checks which rev CD is in the drive, not which architecture it belongs to. W/ -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 13:39:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA1837B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bonsai.knology.net (user-24-214-88-8.knology.net [24.214.88.8]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9CKda713346 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:39:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bonsai.knology.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e9CKdan70685 for alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:39:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:39:36 -0500 From: Steve Price To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: AlphaServer 1000A Message-ID: <20001012153936.U29088@bonsai.knology.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, My father-in-law just dropped an AlphaServer 1000A by the house that he wants me to install FreeBSD on. Question is how do I get it to drop to the console? I've downloaded the firmware update from DEC, put it on a DOS floppy, and named the file fwupdate.exe but the box insists on booting from dka0 and into OpenVMS despite my best efforts. Thanks for any and all enlightenment. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 13:50:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A60337B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22200; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9CKo4J78953; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:50:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:50:04 -0400 (EDT) To: Steve Price Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000A In-Reply-To: <20001012153936.U29088@bonsai.knology.net> References: <20001012153936.U29088@bonsai.knology.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14822.9055.232569.714864@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Price writes: > Hi all, > > My father-in-law just dropped an AlphaServer 1000A by the > house that he wants me to install FreeBSD on. Question is > how do I get it to drop to the console? I've downloaded > the firmware update from DEC, put it on a DOS floppy, and > named the file fwupdate.exe but the box insists on booting > from dka0 and into OpenVMS despite my best efforts. > > Thanks for any and all enlightenment. If its running VMS that means you've got the SRM console and you probably don't need to bother w/a firmware update. There's a couple of ways to get to the console: - Look for a halt button & press it. - Madly hit ^C and/or ^P while its booting - If all else fails, yank the boot disk. When you get to the console, change the auto_action variable from boot to halt. Eg: >>> set auto_action halt Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 14:14: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7508537B503 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 13jpfu-000GNt-00; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:14:02 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9CLGEg20898; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:16:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:16:14 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Steve Price , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000A Message-ID: <20001012231614.B20816@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20001012153936.U29088@bonsai.knology.net> <14822.9055.232569.714864@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14822.9055.232569.714864@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 04:50:04PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 04:50:04PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Steve Price writes: > > Hi all, > > > > My father-in-law just dropped an AlphaServer 1000A by the > > house that he wants me to install FreeBSD on. Question is > > how do I get it to drop to the console? I've downloaded > > the firmware update from DEC, put it on a DOS floppy, and > > named the file fwupdate.exe but the box insists on booting > > from dka0 and into OpenVMS despite my best efforts. > > > > Thanks for any and all enlightenment. > > If its running VMS that means you've got the SRM console and you > probably don't need to bother w/a firmware update. > > There's a couple of ways to get to the console: > > - Look for a halt button & press it. Which is marked with a symbol resembling the STOP sign used on the road (triangle upside down) -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 14:23:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DF837B66C for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13jpon-0008oA-0Y; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:23:16 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02433; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:25:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:22:46 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14821.48907.65092.873577@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > > Hey, I just thought of something. Perhaps the globals segment has grown > > too large. The alpha can only support 64k of globals with $gp pointing at > > base+32k so that the code can use 16bit signed offsets from $gp to access > > it. > > > > The code at XentMM indirects through $gp to find the address of trap() so > > either $gp is bad or the globals table itself is bad. > > Errm. Dumb question. How do we find the size of the globals table to > confirm this? Is this the same thing as the .got section in objdump's > --headers output? Thats right. > > Next dumb question -- is there any way around this, other than > reducing the sheer number of globals? I'm not sure. Lets see if its the problem first. Just to make sure, try moving the call_pal halt to the beginning of trap(). You can use the inline alpha_pal_halt() for this. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 12 14:47:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763AD37B66E for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23288; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9CLlHI79043; Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:47:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:47:17 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14821.48907.65092.873577@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14822.12356.324350.157484@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > > Errm. Dumb question. How do we find the size of the globals table to > > confirm this? Is this the same thing as the .got section in objdump's > > --headers output? > > Thats right. You might be onto something -- For a non-booting kernel the .got size is over 64k (0x159c0), for a booting kernel, the .got size is less than 64k (0xf8c0). This is just what I have laying around & is not terribly scientific. > > > > Next dumb question -- is there any way around this, other than > > reducing the sheer number of globals? > > I'm not sure. Lets see if its the problem first. Just to make sure, try > moving the call_pal halt to the beginning of trap(). You can use the > inline alpha_pal_halt() for this. It still never makes it to trap. It still halts with a PC in the data segment & the RA in XentMM. 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NEW: Qchex - Free Check Printing online https://www.qchex.com If you prefer not to receive these surveys in the future, please click below: http://support.g7ps.com/tools/de.asp?e=alpha@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 13 1:50:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51ABE37B503 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13k0Xs-00014p-0C; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:50:28 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04883; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:51:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:49:33 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14822.12356.324350.157484@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > > Errm. Dumb question. How do we find the size of the globals table to > > > confirm this? Is this the same thing as the .got section in objdump's > > > --headers output? > > > > Thats right. > > You might be onto something -- For a non-booting kernel the .got size > is over 64k (0x159c0), for a booting kernel, the .got size is less > than 64k (0xf8c0). > > This is just what I have laying around & is not terribly scientific. > > > > > > > Next dumb question -- is there any way around this, other than > > > reducing the sheer number of globals? > > > > I'm not sure. Lets see if its the problem first. Just to make sure, try > > moving the call_pal halt to the beginning of trap(). You can use the > > inline alpha_pal_halt() for this. > > It still never makes it to trap. It still halts with a PC in the data > segment & the RA in XentMM. Now that I can remember some of this stuff, I recall that it is possible to have multiple .got subsections and the linker handles this with the relocations for 'ldgp' pseudo instructions. Possibly the code in exception.s has been linked to use a different gp from locore.s (where pal_kgp is set). Try adding something like: br pv,1f 1: LDGP(pv) after the PALVECT macro. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 13 6:20:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCA137B66F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 06:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03845; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.0/8.9.1) id e9DDK8U80231; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: References: <14822.12356.324350.157484@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14823.2097.382096.942072@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > Now that I can remember some of this stuff, I recall that it is possible > to have multiple .got subsections and the linker handles this with the > relocations for 'ldgp' pseudo instructions. Possibly the code in > exception.s has been linked to use a different gp from locore.s (where > pal_kgp is set). Try adding something like: > > br pv,1f > 1: LDGP(pv) > > after the PALVECT macro. It works!!!! At least it made it into trap! I assume that this will need to go elsewhere besides XentMM? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 13 14:18:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from balu.sch.bme.hu (balu.sch.bme.hu [152.66.224.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6024D37B66D for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.sch.bme.hu (simba.sch.bme.hu [152.66.227.11]) by balu.sch.bme.hu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA10144; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:18:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost by simba.sch.bme.hu (8.8.8/1.1.22.3/05Oct00-1014PM) id XAA0000000986; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:18:20 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:18:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gyenes Istvan To: alpha@freebsd.org, port-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: EB164 SRM console? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, An EB164 was given to me. Actualy it's a Microway SC164. I made a power supply for this particular motherboard (from a standard ATX one),and it works! Can somebody give me detailed informations about how to upgrade the firmware to SRM? I tried to use the files I found on ftp.dec.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/eb164 but it doesn't work. I tried to upgrade from the arc console but it gives me "Unrecognised filesystem" or something like this. (The floppy is a standard fat16 one) So can somebody help me? :-) Thanks, -- frts To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 13 14:42:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dr-evil.shagadelic.org (yeah-baby.shagadelic.org [208.176.2.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE3C37B502 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dr-evil.shagadelic.org (Postfix, from userid 7518) id 22F73D222; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:42:48 -0700 From: Jason R Thorpe To: Gyenes Istvan Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, port-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: EB164 SRM console? Message-ID: <20001013144248.J1057@dr-evil.shagadelic.org> Reply-To: thorpej@zembu.com Mail-Followup-To: Jason R Thorpe , Gyenes Istvan , alpha@freebsd.org, port-alpha@netbsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from frts@simba.sch.bme.hu on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:18:20PM +0200 Organization: Zembu Labs, Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:18:20PM +0200, Gyenes Istvan wrote: > An EB164 was given to me. Actualy it's a Microway SC164. I made a power > supply for this particular motherboard (from a standard ATX one),and it > works! SC164 or SX164? If so, you want to use "164sx" or "sx164" SRM, not "eb164". The EB164 and 164SX were fairly different, even though they are the same systype. > Can somebody give me detailed informations about how to upgrade the > firmware to SRM? > I tried to use the files I found on > ftp.dec.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/eb164 but it doesn't work. I > tried to upgrade from the arc console but it gives me "Unrecognised > filesystem" or something like this. (The floppy is a standard fat16 one) > So can somebody help me? :-) > > Thanks, > > -- > frts > > > > > > > > -- -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 13 14:55: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F55237B66C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.net ([24.0.178.21]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001013215351.JOGL6347.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.net>; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:53:51 -0700 Message-ID: <39E784DF.54A6D2F7@home.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:55:43 -0700 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gyenes Istvan Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, port-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: EB164 SRM console? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First question: did the machine work before you got it? Second question: when you try to boot, does anything at all happen? craig burgess Gyenes Istvan wrote: > > Hi All, > > An EB164 was given to me. Actualy it's a Microway SC164. I made a power > supply for this particular motherboard (from a standard ATX one),and it > works! > Can somebody give me detailed informations about how to upgrade the > firmware to SRM? > I tried to use the files I found on > ftp.dec.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/archive/eb164 but it doesn't work. I > tried to upgrade from the arc console but it gives me "Unrecognised > filesystem" or something like this. (The floppy is a standard fat16 one) > So can somebody help me? :-) > > Thanks, > > -- > frts To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 13 15: 2:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from balu.sch.bme.hu (balu.sch.bme.hu [152.66.224.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE8037B66D for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.sch.bme.hu (simba.sch.bme.hu [152.66.227.11]) by balu.sch.bme.hu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA15963; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:01:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost by simba.sch.bme.hu (8.8.8/1.1.22.3/05Oct00-1014PM) id AAA0000001076; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:02:08 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:02:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gyenes Istvan To: Jason R Thorpe Cc: alpha@freebsd.org, port-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: EB164 SRM console? In-Reply-To: <20001013144248.J1057@dr-evil.shagadelic.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actualy it's an EB164. At least it's printed on the motherboard. So i'm pretty sure it's an EB164. Thanks anyway, -- frts On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Jason R Thorpe wrote: > > SC164 or SX164? If so, you want to use "164sx" or "sx164" SRM, not "eb164". > > The EB164 and 164SX were fairly different, even though they are the > same systype. > > -- > -- Jason R. Thorpe > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 13 15: 7:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from balu.sch.bme.hu (balu.sch.bme.hu [152.66.224.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0629837B503 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.sch.bme.hu (simba.sch.bme.hu [152.66.227.11]) by balu.sch.bme.hu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA17281; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:06:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost by simba.sch.bme.hu (8.8.8/1.1.22.3/05Oct00-1014PM) id AAA0000001092; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:06:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:06:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gyenes Istvan To: Craig Burgess Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, port-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: EB164 SRM console? In-Reply-To: <39E784DF.54A6D2F7@home.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes it works. It "boots" to ARC. But I'd like to use SRM. If I select "Digital Unix" from the Debug Monitor and restart the system -> nothing happens. (But the ARC console works) The user's manual says that the srm "code" is not in the Flash. -- frts On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Craig Burgess wrote: > First question: did the machine work before you got it? > > Second question: when you try to boot, does anything at all happen? > > craig burgess > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 13 15:24:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dr-evil.shagadelic.org (yeah-baby.shagadelic.org [208.176.2.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C138E37B66D for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dr-evil.shagadelic.org (Postfix, from userid 7518) id C4593D222; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:24:01 -0700 From: Jason R Thorpe To: Gyenes Istvan Cc: Craig Burgess , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, port-alpha@netbsd.org Subject: Re: EB164 SRM console? Message-ID: <20001013152401.O1057@dr-evil.shagadelic.org> Reply-To: thorpej@zembu.com Mail-Followup-To: Jason R Thorpe , Gyenes Istvan , Craig Burgess , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, port-alpha@netbsd.org References: <39E784DF.54A6D2F7@home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from frts@simba.sch.bme.hu on Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 12:06:43AM +0200 Organization: Zembu Labs, Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 12:06:43AM +0200, Gyenes Istvan wrote: > Yes it works. It "boots" to ARC. But I'd like to use SRM. If I select > "Digital Unix" from the Debug Monitor and restart the system -> nothing > happens. (But the ARC console works) > The user's manual says that the srm "code" is not in the Flash. Okay, I'm about to leave for a weekend vacation... but on Monday, I'll write up a little tutorial on how to Fix your machine (it may involve MOP booting the firmware update utility). -- -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 14 4:22: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B7B37B66C for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13kO41-0007Hs-0Y; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:57:14 +0100 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11408; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:59:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:56:42 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: size problems with INVARIANTS/DIAGNOSTIC -current kernels In-Reply-To: <14823.2097.382096.942072@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > Now that I can remember some of this stuff, I recall that it is possible > > to have multiple .got subsections and the linker handles this with the > > relocations for 'ldgp' pseudo instructions. Possibly the code in > > exception.s has been linked to use a different gp from locore.s (where > > pal_kgp is set). Try adding something like: > > > > br pv,1f > > 1: LDGP(pv) > > > > after the PALVECT macro. > > It works!!!! > > At least it made it into trap! > > I assume that this will need to go elsewhere besides XentMM? I think the safest might be to put it into the PALVECT macro. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 14 8: 7:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (ha1.rdc2.tx.home.com [24.14.77.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A15837B66C for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from attglobal.net ([24.10.140.87]) by mail.rdc2.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001014150722.TOKL75.mail.rdc2.tx.home.com@attglobal.net> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:07:22 -0700 Message-ID: <39E87745.596865AC@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:09:57 -0600 From: "Andrew M. Miklic" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: TGA and PCI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to finish-up a port of NetBSD's TGA driver to FreeBSD, and I'm running into problems in the very early probe phase during pci_cfgread()... Basically, in (st550, st660, etc.)_cons_init(), it first calls (apecs, cia, etc.)_init() to enable PCI support. Shortly after that , it calls sccnattach where the probe for TGA occurs. To to the probe, I read cfg space to get the device id and vendor id for all slots to determine if what I find is a TGA card. During pci_cfgread(), however, the machine suffers an "invalid kernel stack" error and halts. I've tracked it down to a final call to alpha_mb()...does anyone know why this instruction should kill the machine at this point? Is PCI not really available to me this early? Andrew Miklic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 14 15:21:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu (PO6.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC01F37B670 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 15:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03645; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix15.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix15.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.May..8.2000.10.35.10.sun4.57.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix15.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4x.57 via MS.5.6.unix15.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_57; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Valentino Crimi To: "Andrew M. Miklic" Subject: Re: TGA and PCI Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <39E87745.596865AC@attglobal.net> References: <39E87745.596865AC@attglobal.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried to write a TGA driver as well although but never finished it. At the point I left it the driver registered itself with syscons and drew a pattern on the screen. I'd be more than happy to send you the source if it can help any. From reading the code the driver is both registed as a PCI device and as a VIDEO_DRIVER, the PCI probe and attach functions are called first. In tga_pci_probe I use pci_get_vendor/device on the device_t structure passed. tga_pci_attach maps the video car into memory using: res = bus_alloc_resource(dev, SYS_RES_MEMORY, ®, 0, ~0, 1, RF_ACTIVE | PCI_RF_DENSE); where reg = PCIR_MAPS and puts necessary information in tga_adapter[i], an array of video_adapter_t, and calls vidregister() on it. So, before anything happens with sccnattach all pci configuration data has been read. If the card didn't sucessfully probe and attach the vi_probe_t or backdoor function would never find it. syscons eventually calls the backdoor fucnction which checks that something has been set in tga_adapters[] and calls the card initialization function on it, which find out which version of TGA card is present, sets up the resolution and draws the pattern. Best of luck finishing up the driver -- Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message