From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 9 19:44:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from va.com.au (va.com.au [203.15.106.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3088A150A8 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:44:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jesse@va.com.au) Received: from [1.1.1.3] (203.108.19.226) by va.com.au with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2); Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:14:06 +1030 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jesse@mail.va.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000106140058.009613c0@pop.primenet.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000106140058.009613c0@pop.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:43:49 +1100 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: jesse reynolds Subject: scsi-2 and ultra-wide scsi in the same server... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folx I have a Compaq Prosignia server, quite and old one, it's a 90MHz pentium machine with a scsi-2 controller on the motherboard and two 1gb scsi-2 disks. Is there any issues with putting a Symbios dual channel ultra-wide scsi controller into this machine? will FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE find the new two controllers OK and leave the onboard scsi as controller 0? Also, does anyone know if I can put ATA disks in this machine? It doesn't have any ide/ata drives in there at the moment, but as it's a PC (that was running NT when I got it) I assume it would have IDE controllers? Could I put a 16Gb ATA drive in it? Thanks -jesse -- Jesse Reynolds - Virtual Artists Pty Ltd - http://www.va.com.au Email: jesse (at) va.com.au - http://virtual.artists To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 9 20:15:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailext03.compaq.com (mailext03.compaq.com [207.18.199.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE0414D50; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:15:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: by mailext03.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id 10520151FCF; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:15:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailint11.im.hou.compaq.com (mailint11.compaq.com [207.18.199.189]) by mailext03.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DB8148506; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:15:14 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailint11.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id A223255F02; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:15:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (unknown [16.158.59.135]) by mailint11.im.hou.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3F252D01; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:15:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00488; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:22:14 +0800 (SGT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:22:13 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Joerg Micheel , Mitch Collinsworth , Mike Smith , Brandon DeYoung , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 36 GB IDE Hard Drives Message-ID: <20000109162213.A418@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <199912250416.XAA78976@benge.graphics.cornell.edu> <19991226102238.G1316@freebie.lemis.com> <20000105143710.I2049@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000105123654.F30038@freebie.lemis.com> <20000105113359.C68135@azazel.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000105113359.C68135@azazel.zer0.org>; from gsutter@pobox.com on Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 11:33:59AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 5 January 2000 at 11:33:59 -0800, Gregory Sutter wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2000 at 12:36:54PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> On Sun, Dec 26, 1999 at 10:22:39AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> On Friday, 24 December 1999 at 23:16:54 -0500, Mitch Collinsworth wrote: >>>>>> Someone else, sometime, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are hard drives larger than 32 GB supported by Free BSD. I've had both = >>>>>>> the 3.3 and 3.4 releases fail during the make New FS portion of the = >>>>>>> install, when installing on a Maxtor 36 GB drive. >>>>> >>>>> There's been discussion of this recently, I think on -questions. >>>>> Those involved seemed to agree there is a newfs barrier at around >>>>> 27 to 27.5 GB. Smaller works fine, larger fails. Based on that you >>>>> should be able to partition your 36 GB and make it usable now. IIRC >>>>> there is a new driver in the works that's supposed to solve the >>>>> problem. >>>> >>>> Correct. That's a thing I forgot to mention in my last message: we've >>>> tried the new ata driver with large disks and had no problems. That >> >> Right, the problems have only occurred on IDE drives. That's why we >> suspect the driver. > > I newfs'ed a 37.5 GB IDE drive two days ago with no problems. I haven't > filled it past 27GB yet, but if the problem manifests at newfs time, > then I did not experience it. Could it be related to the way the disk > is addressed (LBA)? I've heard a report from Germany that using LBA solved the problem. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 2:40:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F4B14D2F for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 02:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA19334 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:40:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000110112643.00c1d1b0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:36:13 +0100 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: scsi-2 and ultra-wide scsi in the same server... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000106140058.009613c0@pop.primenet.com> <3.0.5.32.20000106140058.009613c0@pop.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 14:43 10.01.00 +1100, you wrote: >Hi folx > >I have a Compaq Prosignia server, quite and old one, it's a 90MHz >pentium machine with a scsi-2 controller on the motherboard and two >1gb scsi-2 disks. > >Is there any issues with putting a Symbios dual channel ultra-wide >scsi controller into this machine? will FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE find the >new two controllers OK and leave the onboard scsi as controller 0? Hi! Should be no issue if standard card and the mainboard being upgradefriendly... FreeBSD should use the sym driver, then it should also recognizte the card, if the mainboard will fire the Symbios up correctly. If it leaves the onboard controller as controller #0, you'll have the check wheter in BIOS setup of them, the controller #0 AFAIR has to have a lower adress. > >Also, does anyone know if I can put ATA disks in this machine? It >doesn't have any ide/ata drives in there at the moment, but as it's a >PC (that was running NT when I got it) I assume it would have IDE >controllers? Could I put a 16Gb ATA drive in it? > Do not know this in this particular machine, but in general, most machines have also IDE onboard, and if not, you may spend little money and put an E-IDE card into it. some are available for about 10 U$ (20 DM here in Germany), which will utilize the mainboards BIOS. This would ba a problem, because the old BIOS back then (I remember an Intel Plato board with the first P90 those days (95)) that only allowed IDE up to 2 GB. Later they were happy with 8 GB limit, but thats all you can get out of that. Or you invest some more money for an IDE controller with an own BIOS, like some of Promise or so... there are even some cheap cache controllers that you can pick up used. I'd also check ebay or so for some thingies. Also then you have really to worry about booting issues, because IDE usually comes before SCSI. the BIOS switch to put SCSI first has been iinvented later. Old ( I remember an NCR 810 card) controllers came with a special jumper that lowered their adress below that of IDE controller, so that they could boot up first. Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- The power to serve ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 3:10: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from orhi.sarenet.es (orhi.sarenet.es [192.148.167.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9875914C43 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from borjamar@sarenet.es) Received: from sarenet.es (sollube.sarenet.es [192.148.167.16]) by orhi.sarenet.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C8D4D6D7 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:07:39 +0000 (WET) Received: from sarenet.es (charon.telion.net [194.30.71.147]) by sarenet.es (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06129 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:05:35 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3879BD8F.3EB381B7@sarenet.es> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:07:59 +0100 From: Borja Marcos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm considering a Gigabyte GA-71X with an AMD Athlon CPU. It will run *exclusively* FreeBSD, and the dealer has said me that they have observed stability problems with Windows. Does this CPU/motherboard work well with FreeBSD? I would use a 500 or 700 MHz CPU. Thanks in advance, Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@uninet.edu SPAIN * borjam@well.com *********************************************************************** --- FreeBSD, turning PCs into workstations To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 6: 7:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cage.tse-online.de (cage.tse-online.de [194.97.69.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E9AE14A08 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@cage.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 46419 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Jan 2000 14:08:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:08:47 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard Message-ID: <20000110150847.J86925@cage.tse-online.de> References: <3879BD8F.3EB381B7@sarenet.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3879BD8F.3EB381B7@sarenet.es>; from borjamar@sarenet.es on Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 12:07:59PM +0100 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 12:07:59PM +0100, Borja Marcos wrote: > I'm considering a Gigabyte GA-71X with an AMD Athlon CPU. > It will run *exclusively* FreeBSD, and the dealer has said me that so does my new box. GA-71X, K7-700, 256 MB PC-100 DIMM, Tekram 390U2W (sym0), fxp0, Matrox G400, > they have observed stability problems with Windows. hmmm. The K7-boards _are_ very very sensitive to memory problems. My first two 128MByte Dimms lead to various problems at install time (e.g. just reading garbage from the cpio-archives on the FreeBSD-CD-ROM). After adjusting the memory timing parameters in the BIOS-setup to some more conservative settings the machine ran rock-stable. > Does this CPU/motherboard work well with FreeBSD? I would > use a 500 or 700 MHz CPU. -Andreas -- : TSE GmbH Neue Medien : Gsf: Arne Reuter : : : Hovestrasse 14 : Andreas Braukmann : We do it with : : D-48351 Everswinkel : HRB: 1430, AG WAF : FreeBSD/SMP : :--------------------------------------------------------------------: : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ : : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 7:39:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7902014C91 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:39:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04750; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:38:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000110162628.00c4db10@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Message-Id: <4.1.20000110162628.00c4db10@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:30:43 +0100 To: Borja Marcos From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3879BD8F.3EB381B7@sarenet.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello, > > I'm considering a Gigabyte GA-71X with an AMD Athlon CPU. >It will run *exclusively* FreeBSD, and the dealer has said me that >they have observed stability problems with Windows. > > Does this CPU/motherboard work well with FreeBSD? I would >use a 500 or 700 MHz CPU. Hi! Gigabyte nowadays is still a good brand, but in Athlon market, I'd consider an ASUS K7M first, then the FIC SD11. Both are very stable, and have some nice features. IMO the ASUS is the best AThlon board that is today available. Did not heard that Gigabyte has severe stability problems, but hey, in M$ world there are several possibilities that a system does not run correctly... Remember the K6-2 being too fast for Win95? BTW: Heard some rumors that getting hardware /distribution is sometimes a pain in Spain? Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- The power to serve ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 7:43:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from orhi.sarenet.es (orhi.sarenet.es [192.148.167.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF7214F6D for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:43:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from borjamar@sarenet.es) Received: from sarenet.es (sollube.sarenet.es [192.148.167.16]) by orhi.sarenet.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527EC4D6BC for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:42:28 +0000 (WET) Received: from sarenet.es (charon.telion.net [194.30.71.147]) by sarenet.es (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21486 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:40:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3879FDF7.7C6B2120@sarenet.es> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:42:47 +0100 From: Borja Marcos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard References: <4.1.20000110162628.00c4db10@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Olaf Hoyer wrote: > > BTW: Heard some rumors that getting hardware /distribution is sometimes a > pain in Spain? You are right, I had to order a Matrox G200 PCI card from JDR in USA. Nobody sold it here. And the same can happen with the Asus motherboard... I am considering the Gygabyte motherboard because I want to buy the case (Supermicro), motherboard, CPU and memory from the same dealer so that they are responsible for what they sell. Otherwise, nobody will help me in case of problems. Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@uninet.edu SPAIN * borjam@well.com *********************************************************************** --- FreeBSD, turning PCs into workstations To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 7:49: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (mail4.aracnet.com [216.99.193.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D5114C9E for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (IDENT:root@shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03798; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:49:02 -0800 Received: from localhost by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id HAA18078; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:49:28 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.aracnet.com: hamellr owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:49:28 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: Borja Marcos Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard In-Reply-To: <3879BD8F.3EB381B7@sarenet.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm considering a Gigabyte GA-71X with an AMD Athlon CPU. > It will run *exclusively* FreeBSD, and the dealer has said me that > they have observed stability problems with Windows. > > Does this CPU/motherboard work well with FreeBSD? I would > use a 500 or 700 MHz CPU. I've exerienced about an 8% loss on these motherboards due to minor power surges alone, not to mention a multitude of small problems. I highly suggest you go with Soltek or Asus, both work great under FreeBSD and Windows if now problems. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 7:52:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from orhi.sarenet.es (orhi.sarenet.es [192.148.167.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D6F14F73 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:52:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from borjamar@sarenet.es) Received: from sarenet.es (sollube.sarenet.es [192.148.167.16]) by orhi.sarenet.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF3D4D709; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:51:23 +0000 (WET) Received: from sarenet.es (charon.telion.net [194.30.71.147]) by sarenet.es (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23263; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:49:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <387A000A.486C6423@sarenet.es> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:51:38 +0100 From: Borja Marcos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Hamell Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick Hamell wrote: > > I've exerienced about an 8% loss on these motherboards due to > minor power surges alone, not to mention a multitude of small problems. I > highly suggest you go with Soltek or Asus, both work great under FreeBSD > and Windows if now problems. Minor power surges? Loss? Do you mean *broken* boards? Here in Spain it can be quite difficult to buy an Athlon Asus board... most dealers only carry the most frequently sold items. Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@uninet.edu SPAIN * borjam@well.com *********************************************************************** --- FreeBSD, turning PCs into workstations To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 10:55:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7870615328 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:55:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 38717 invoked by uid 1825); 10 Jan 2000 18:55:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2000 18:55:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:55:47 -0500 (EST) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > I'm considering a Gigabyte GA-71X with an AMD Athlon CPU. > > It will run *exclusively* FreeBSD, and the dealer has said me that > > they have observed stability problems with Windows. > > > > Does this CPU/motherboard work well with FreeBSD? I would > > use a 500 or 700 MHz CPU. > > I've exerienced about an 8% loss on these motherboards due to > minor power surges alone, not to mention a multitude of small problems. I > highly suggest you go with Soltek or Asus, both work great under FreeBSD > and Windows if now problems. As long as we're on the subject of motherboards for FreeBSD, I'd love some feedback on higher-end server boards with integrated SCSI and Ethernet, as well as console redirection to the serial ports. I've been using the Intel L440GX+ with pretty good results, but I was wondering what else there is, now that there are 133Mhz memory busses, etc. James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 10 11:36:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.ocsny.com (apollo.ocsny.com [204.107.76.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0F815336 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:36:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikel@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (ppp-011.ocsny.com [204.107.76.38]) by apollo.ocsny.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06459; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:33:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <387A3527.B51CCD2E@ocsny.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:38:16 -0500 From: Mikel Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: up@3.am Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4A599A108F0FD269D38B3427" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4A599A108F0FD269D38B3427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have several different platforms deployed...from Super7 AMDs (dfa and msi boards), to dual i400s on ASUS...The problem I've run accross again and yet again is as soon as I find a working config the board goes out of production faster than my small shop can stablize them...Another issue, in the area of smp boards is that there isn't much scalability in the generic types...I mean most board come in dual flavors but that's it...If you'd like the server to some day have 8 cpus...there isn't a nice modular way of accomplishing this...may as well fork out the dough and get a sun...or some other big enterprise box...don't know bout all of you but I for one would favor a box the can grow with us as the need arises...just my $0.02... up@3.am wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > I'm considering a Gigabyte GA-71X with an AMD Athlon CPU. > > > It will run *exclusively* FreeBSD, and the dealer has said me that > > > they have observed stability problems with Windows. > > > > > > Does this CPU/motherboard work well with FreeBSD? I would > > > use a 500 or 700 MHz CPU. > > > > I've exerienced about an 8% loss on these motherboards due to > > minor power surges alone, not to mention a multitude of small problems. I > > highly suggest you go with Soltek or Asus, both work great under FreeBSD > > and Windows if now problems. > > As long as we're on the subject of motherboards for FreeBSD, I'd love some > feedback on higher-end server boards with integrated SCSI and Ethernet, as > well as console redirection to the serial ports. I've been using the > Intel L440GX+ with pretty good results, but I was wondering what else > there is, now that there are 133Mhz memory busses, etc. > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > up@3.am http://3.am > ========================================================================= > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- Cheers, Mikel +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc http://www.ocsny.com | 39 W14th Street, Suite 203 212 727 2238 x132 | New York, NY 10011 +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Labor rates: Tech $125 hourly | Net Engineer $150 hourly | Phone Support $ 33 quarter hourly | Lost Password $ 45 per incedent +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | http://www.ocsny.com/~mikel +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ --------------4A599A108F0FD269D38B3427 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikel.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mikel Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikel.vcf" begin:vcard n:King;Mikel x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Optimized Computer Solutions version:2.1 email;internet:mikel@ocsny.com title:Procurement Manager tel;fax:2124638402 tel;home:http://www.upan.org/vizkr tel;work:2127272100 adr;quoted-printable:;;39 W14th St.=0D=0ASte 203;New York;NY;10011;US x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Mikel King end:vcard --------------4A599A108F0FD269D38B3427-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 11 3:37:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F91A14F19 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 03:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18868; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:36:49 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000111120908.00c57df0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:18:44 +0100 To: From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Server mainboards, was: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I've exerienced about an 8% loss on these motherboards due to >> minor power surges alone, not to mention a multitude of small problems. I >> highly suggest you go with Soltek or Asus, both work great under FreeBSD >> and Windows if now problems. > >As long as we're on the subject of motherboards for FreeBSD, I'd love some >feedback on higher-end server boards with integrated SCSI and Ethernet, as >well as console redirection to the serial ports. I've been using the >Intel L440GX+ with pretty good results, but I was wondering what else >there is, now that there are 133Mhz memory busses, etc. Hi! Personally, I made good experience with ASUS and Tyan boards. I have an old Tomcat 4 dual with 233 MMX, works like a charm, and there are some design details I missed on lots of other manufacturers. Also the ASUS P2B series/design base has proven to be stable as well. Heard from a sysadmin of a bigger newspaper in berlin, that he personally prefers/preferred Iwill boards over ASUS in terms of stability... You will probably want to check out the new GX based boards from Tyan, they also come with SCSI onboard, whether Adaptec or Symbios. There also is the "old" thunder series with Adaptec 3940 UW on-board, and there also shall exist a raid adaptor. Other question: JUst had a discusion with some guys on another mailing list(also being some salesmen/ computer doctors) that mentioned that they find Tyan not being in the upper field in general. Also TYan is not that widespread in USA. Can someone confirm this? Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- The power to serve ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 11 3:38:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1134714F19 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 03:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19120; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:37:24 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000111121925.00c61b50@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:24:37 +0100 To: Borja Marcos From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <387A000A.486C6423@sarenet.es> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:51 10.01.00 +0100, you wrote: >Rick Hamell wrote: >> >> I've exerienced about an 8% loss on these motherboards due to >> minor power surges alone, not to mention a multitude of small problems. I >> highly suggest you go with Soltek or Asus, both work great under FreeBSD >> and Windows if now problems. > > Minor power surges? Loss? Do you mean *broken* boards? > > Here in Spain it can be quite difficult to buy an Athlon >Asus board... most dealers only carry the most frequently sold items. > Hi! Well, german mag c't just tested some cases /power supplies, also regarding the Athlon boards. Some power supplies were _very_ sensible to minor power surges, like they happen some times a day, because regulation circuits of the housing/power plant let some additional power spike through... And some boards happen to react more sensible than others. c't mentioned, that in testing the 5 actual mainboards in November (issue 24), the Gigabyte died all of a sudden. but the replacement, they got from Gigabyte, worked absolutely stable. Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- The power to serve ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 11 6:37:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bomber.avantgo.com (ws1.avantgo.com [207.214.200.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466CC14E95 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:37:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@avantgo.com) Received: from river ([10.0.128.30]) by bomber.avantgo.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 68; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:32:47 -0800 Message-ID: <1d3201bf5c41$3d31b280$1e80000a@avantgo.com> From: "Scott Hess" To: , "Olaf Hoyer" Cc: References: <4.1.20000111120908.00c57df0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Subject: Re: Server mainboards, was: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 06:36:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Olaf Hoyer wrote: > Personally, I made good experience with ASUS and Tyan boards. <...> > Other question: JUst had a discusion with some guys on another mailing > list(also being some salesmen/ computer doctors) that mentioned that they > find Tyan not being in the upper field in general. Also TYan is not that > widespread in USA. Can someone confirm this? A pair of my favorite vendors (www.esc-ca.com and http://www.tdl.com/~netex/) at one point conciously carried primarily Asus over Tyan because Asus had an order of magnitude lower return rate due to mechanical problems. [Actually, I seem to recall that their Asus return rates were low enough that it was hard to derive anything from why they were returned.] Both of them now carry a wider variety of non-Asus motherboards than they did back then - but still not Tyan. Later, scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 11 16:46:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.gatefive.com (pacman.gatefive.com [206.169.190.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D628C14EF2 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jehovah1@vatican5000.com) Received: from [206.169.190.21] (biznatch.gatefive.com [206.169.190.21]) by ns1.gatefive.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA57129 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:46:28 GMT (envelope-from jehovah1@vatican5000.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: csumner@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:46:08 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: chunk sumner Subject: asus 440bx hangs on probing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone had any problems with an ASUS 440BX? I just got one with a P3 500 and when booting it hangs at probing devices, please wait ... It has a fujitsu 8G HD, and ATI 8m video card, a 3com 3509 10/100 card, and a generic ide cdrom drive. Nothing exoctic. Everything is found fine during boot sequence, but something is wrong. Any ideas? Please cc me here, as I dont follow the list these days. Thanks Chuck IN CHRIST THERE IS NO EAST OR WEST To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 10:12:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tdnet.com.br (guepardo.tdnet.com.br [200.236.148.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBFB15115 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:12:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grios@ddsecurity.com.br) Received: from ddsecurity.com.br [200.236.148.142] by tdnet.com.br with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A6B8970204; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:23:52 -0300 Message-ID: <387CC44B.E56EA655@ddsecurity.com.br> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:13:31 -0200 From: Gustavo V G C Rios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: hardware Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody! I have some questions for you wizards, i would appreciate any help from you. 1) I am trying to figure out which hardware runs well on freebsd, but i got confused about two references: Quoting from the following url: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/3.4R/notes.html i see: "Adaptec 274X/284X/2920C/294x/2950/3940/3950 (Narrow/Wide/Twin) series EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI controllers." But in /sys/i386/conf/LINT, i got no reference showing me that my system support 3950U2W. The only reference line, points me: # The `ahc' device provides support for the Adaptec 29/3940(U)(W) # and motherboard based AIC7870/AIC7880 adapters. So, which kernel device(s)/options should i enable to use adaptec 3950U2W 2) Does any body here use 3960U2W ? Does it runs well? Which hard disks delivers 160Mb/s on U2 interface? 3) If adaptec 3950U2W is not supported by FreeBSD 3.4Stable, i am considering using 2940U2W. I would like to hear from you, what options on hard disk i have (Ones that delivers 80MB/s) and how success you have gotten using them. Thanks a lot for your time and cooperation. best regards, Gustavo Rios. -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 10:35:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8FA15560 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA90607; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:35:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:35:04 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Gustavo V G C Rios Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000112113504.A90514@panzer.kdm.org> References: <387CC44B.E56EA655@ddsecurity.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <387CC44B.E56EA655@ddsecurity.com.br>; from grios@ddsecurity.com.br on Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 04:13:31PM -0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 16:13:31 -0200, Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: > I have some questions for you wizards, i would appreciate any help from > you. > > 1) > > I am trying to figure out which hardware runs well on freebsd, but i got > confused about two references: > > Quoting from the following url: > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/3.4R/notes.html > > i see: > > "Adaptec 274X/284X/2920C/294x/2950/3940/3950 (Narrow/Wide/Twin) series > EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI controllers." > > But in /sys/i386/conf/LINT, i got no reference showing me that my system > support 3950U2W. I suppose LINT is out of date in that respect. The best place to look to see if something is supported is in the actual driver. In this case it would be src/sys/pci/ahc_pci.c. (That's the PCI attach code for the ahc driver.) > The only reference line, points me: > > # The `ahc' device provides support for the Adaptec 29/3940(U)(W) > # and motherboard based AIC7870/AIC7880 adapters. > > So, which kernel device(s)/options should i enable to use adaptec > 3950U2W You should use the 'ahc' device for support for the 3950U2W. > 2) > > Does any body here use 3960U2W ? Does it runs well? > Which hard disks delivers 160Mb/s on U2 interface? Adaptec's web page doesn't mention a 3960U2W, although it does mention a 39160 card. In any case, none of the Adaptec Ultra160 boards are supported by 3.4. They are currently only supported in FreeBSD-current, although I expect that support will be merged into -stable before too long. Also, at the moment, the Ultra160 boards will only run at Ultra2 speeds. That should also change before too long. > 3) > If adaptec 3950U2W is not supported by FreeBSD 3.4Stable, i am > considering using 2940U2W. Both the 3950U2W and 2940U2W are supported in 3.4, and 3.4-stable. > I would like to hear from you, what options on hard disk i have (Ones > that delivers 80MB/s) and how success you have gotten using them. If you're looking for disks, I would recommend high end IBM and Seagate drives. i.e., the Seagate Barracuda and Cheetah drives, and IBM Ultrastar drives. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 10:52: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575EB1556E for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:51:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20984; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:50:31 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000112194049.009b7ba0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:48:41 +0100 To: Gustavo V G C Rios From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: hardware Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <387CC44B.E56EA655@ddsecurity.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Adaptec 274X/284X/2920C/294x/2950/3940/3950 (Narrow/Wide/Twin) series >EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI controllers." Hi! Well, this does mean controllers based around the AIC 78xx chipsets up to AIC 788x, which means they are all single-ended SCSI. U2W is differential SCSI and begins with the AIC 789x chips. > >But in /sys/i386/conf/LINT, i got no reference showing me that my system >support 3950U2W. >The only reference line, points me: > ># The `ahc' device provides support for the Adaptec 29/3940(U)(W) ># and motherboard based AIC7870/AIC7880 adapters. see above... -- snipped some stuff --- >If adaptec 3950U2W is not supported by FreeBSD 3.4Stable, i am >considering using 2940U2W. >I would like to hear from you, what options on hard disk i have (Ones >that delivers 80MB/s) and how success you have gotten using them. No actual HDD thats available does 80 MB/sec. the fastest ones (like the Barracuda series or Atlas or DRVS) do about 20 MB/sec under best circumstances, regarding the mechanical parts of them. electronic transfer (drive chache on electronic to PCI/main memory) of course is much faster. The only drives that could be able to delever that as a single drive are the solid state HDDs, mainly consisting of RAM chips... This money nowadays is mostly better spent in better mainboard with larger amount of RAM. The 80 MB/sec make sense regarding a RAID config or simply some (3-4) drives being used at the same time, like in a file server without RAID, or in a workstation which does some multimedia stuff, because the drives share the total bandwidth of the controller. Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- The power to serve ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 11:12:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D685115423 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:12:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA90932; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:12:28 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Olaf Hoyer Cc: Gustavo V G C Rios , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000112121228.A90896@panzer.kdm.org> References: <387CC44B.E56EA655@ddsecurity.com.br> <4.1.20000112194049.009b7ba0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000112194049.009b7ba0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de>; from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de on Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 07:48:41PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 19:48:41 +0100, Olaf Hoyer wrote: > "Adaptec 274X/284X/2920C/294x/2950/3940/3950 (Narrow/Wide/Twin) series > >EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI controllers." > Hi! > > Well, this does mean controllers based around the AIC 78xx chipsets up to > AIC 788x, which means they are all single-ended SCSI. > U2W is differential SCSI and begins with the AIC 789x chips. There are no chips mentioned in the quoted line, only controllers. And the 3950U2 is a LVD controller, as is the 2940U2W. The Adaptec driver supports SE, LVD and HVD controllers. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 13: 5:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB6E14FFE for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02054; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:04:44 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000112213645.00c2a220@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:46:27 +0100 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: hardware Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000112121228.A90896@panzer.kdm.org> References: <4.1.20000112194049.009b7ba0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> <387CC44B.E56EA655@ddsecurity.com.br> <4.1.20000112194049.009b7ba0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> "Adaptec 274X/284X/2920C/294x/2950/3940/3950 (Narrow/Wide/Twin) series >> >EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI controllers." >> Hi! >> >> Well, this does mean controllers based around the AIC 78xx chipsets up to >> AIC 788x, which means they are all single-ended SCSI. >> U2W is differential SCSI and begins with the AIC 789x chips. > >There are no chips mentioned in the quoted line, only controllers. And the >3950U2 is a LVD controller, as is the 2940U2W. > >The Adaptec driver supports SE, LVD and HVD controllers. Hi! Ok, assumed that the Adaptec driver wasn't that actual in design... What I tried to point out, that they only mentioned SE-SCSI cards above, but no LVD/HVD ones. The chipsets used by those controllers mentioned are the 7770 for VLB (2842A), and for the PCi ones there are some different ones in the 78xx range. I was referring to that entry in LINT mentioned, to point out that the LVD series is not mentioned there, as the U2W series has chips with 789x... Hope this helps to clarify things a bit... I also ran across an 2940U2W-onboard of the ASUS P2B-S. This implementation also was very picky about some cabling/driver issues, although it was only running Lose98 and NT... (no, it was not my machine ;-) ) Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- The power to serve ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 14:37:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tdnet.com.br (guepardo.tdnet.com.br [200.236.148.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B523214F9B for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grios@ddsecurity.com.br) Received: from ddsecurity.com.br [200.236.148.143] by tdnet.com.br with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A4AE264022E; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:48:14 -0300 Message-ID: <387D0242.9A64C8D3@ddsecurity.com.br> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:37:54 -0200 From: Gustavo V G C Rios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware References: <387CC44B.E56EA655@ddsecurity.com.br> <20000112113504.A90514@panzer.kdm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > > Does any body here use 3960U2W ? Does it runs well? > > Which hard disks delivers 160Mb/s on U2 interface? > > Adaptec's web page doesn't mention a 3960U2W, although it does mention a > 39160 card. > > In any case, none of the Adaptec Ultra160 boards are supported by 3.4. > They are currently only supported in FreeBSD-current, although I expect > that support will be merged into -stable before too long. Also, at the > moment, the Ultra160 boards will only run at Ultra2 speeds. That should > also change before too long. > Dear Gentleman, excuse for the mistaken, i really wanted to mean adaptec 3950U2W, not 3960U2W! SO, does any body here use 3950U2W ? How success has it being ? Thanks for any comments. -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 14:42:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tdnet.com.br (guepardo.tdnet.com.br [200.236.148.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E961500B for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:42:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grios@ddsecurity.com.br) Received: from ddsecurity.com.br [200.236.148.143] by tdnet.com.br with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A5C026B022E; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:52:48 -0300 Message-ID: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:42:28 -0200 From: Gustavo V G C Rios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olaf Hoyer Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware References: <4.1.20000112194049.009b7ba0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Olaf Hoyer wrote: > >If adaptec 3950U2W is not supported by FreeBSD 3.4Stable, i am > >considering using 2940U2W. > >I would like to hear from you, what options on hard disk i have (Ones > >that delivers 80MB/s) and how success you have gotten using them. > > No actual HDD thats available does 80 MB/sec. the fastest ones (like the > Barracuda series or Atlas or DRVS) do about 20 MB/sec under best > circumstances, regarding the mechanical parts of them. electronic transfer > (drive chache on electronic to PCI/main memory) of course is much faster. > The only drives that could be able to delever that as a single drive are > the solid state HDDs, mainly consisting of RAM chips... > This money nowadays is mostly better spent in better mainboard with larger > amount of RAM. > The 80 MB/sec make sense regarding a RAID config or simply some (3-4) > drives being used at the same time, like in a file server without RAID, or > in a workstation which does some multimedia stuff, because the drives share > the total bandwidth of the controller. Oops! So i cannot understand, take a closer look: http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1121,43,00.shtml May anyone here explain me this ? Thanks for your time and cooperation (and for patience too). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 14:42:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0AF415496 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:42:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA92619; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:42:22 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Gustavo V G C Rios Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000112154222.A92603@panzer.kdm.org> References: <387CC44B.E56EA655@ddsecurity.com.br> <20000112113504.A90514@panzer.kdm.org> <387D0242.9A64C8D3@ddsecurity.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <387D0242.9A64C8D3@ddsecurity.com.br>; from grios@ddsecurity.com.br on Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 08:37:54PM -0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 20:37:54 -0200, Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: > "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > > > > Does any body here use 3960U2W ? Does it runs well? > > > Which hard disks delivers 160Mb/s on U2 interface? > > > > Adaptec's web page doesn't mention a 3960U2W, although it does mention a > > 39160 card. > > > > In any case, none of the Adaptec Ultra160 boards are supported by 3.4. > > They are currently only supported in FreeBSD-current, although I expect > > that support will be merged into -stable before too long. Also, at the > > moment, the Ultra160 boards will only run at Ultra2 speeds. That should > > also change before too long. > > > > Dear Gentleman, > excuse for the mistaken, i really wanted to mean adaptec 3950U2W, not > 3960U2W! > SO, does any body here use 3950U2W ? How success has it being ? Yes, I've got a 3950U2, and it works well. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 14:55:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from camus.cybercable.fr (camus.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8712414D23 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:55:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from herbelot@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 22200788 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2000 22:55:32 -0000 Received: from d016.paris-30.cybercable.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([212.198.30.16]) (envelope-sender ) by camus.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Jan 2000 22:55:32 -0000 Message-ID: <387D067E.3CDBD46D@cybercable.fr> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:55:58 +0100 From: Thierry Herbelot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gustavo V G C Rios Cc: Olaf Hoyer , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware References: <4.1.20000112194049.009b7ba0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: > > Olaf Hoyer wrote: > [SNIP] > > No actual HDD thats available does 80 MB/sec. the fastest ones (like the > > Barracuda series or Atlas or DRVS) do about 20 MB/sec under best > > circumstances, regarding the mechanical parts of them. electronic transfer [SNIP] > Oops! > So i cannot understand, take a closer look: > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1121,43,00.shtml > > May anyone here explain me this ? an internal transfer rate of up to 29.6 Mbyte per second, That is : the drive can get up to 29.6 MB/s to/from the platters, and can send it at a rate of up to 80MB/s over SCSI. BTW : an UDMA66 drive with the latest ata driver of 4.0 can read at >20MB/s (performance is no longer reserved to expensive drives) TfH > > Thanks for your time and cooperation (and for patience too). > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 14:56:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D42714F9B for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 72220 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Jan 2000 22:55:59 +0000 (GMT) To: grios@ddsecurity.com.br Cc: ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:42:28 -0200" References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:55:59 +0100 Message-ID: <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So i cannot understand, take a closer look: > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1121,43,00.shtml > > May anyone here explain me this ? As far as I can see, Seagate's specifications are somewhat conflicting, or at the very least unclear. I'm looking at the "Performance" table from http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/enterprise/tech/0,1131,43,00.shtml Yes, it says "External (I/O) Transfer Rate (max) 80 MBytes/sec" - but this is worthless since it obviously means transfer from the cache. The number which is interesting is *sustained* transfer rate, at the outer and inner part of the disk. (Compare with "Internal Transfer Rate (max) 264 Mbits/sec" - you'd need an internal transfer rate of more than 640 Mbits/s to get a sustained 80 MB/s from the outer part of the disk.) Even so, an *average* formatted transfer rate of 22.5 MB/s is rather good! Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 14:59:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887F414E51 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:59:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA83982; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:58:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Thierry Herbelot Cc: Gustavo V G C Rios , Olaf Hoyer , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:55:58 +0100." <387D067E.3CDBD46D@cybercable.fr> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:58:29 +0100 Message-ID: <83980.947717909@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <387D067E.3CDBD46D@cybercable.fr>, Thierry Herbelot writes: > > an internal transfer rate of up to 29.6 Mbyte per second, > > >That is : the drive can get up to 29.6 MB/s to/from the platters, and >can send it at a rate of up to 80MB/s over SCSI. Uhm, let me just point out that some marketing people have already realized that "internal transfer rate" doesn't say anything about platters being involved. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 15:43:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F0A14F92 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz) Received: from lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.12]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03401; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:43:17 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.0) id MAA27633; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:43:14 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:43:14 +1300 From: Joerg Micheel To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: grios@ddsecurity.com.br, ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no>; from sthaug@nethelp.no on Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 11:55:59PM +0100 Organization: SCMS, The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Project: WAND - Waikato Applied Network Dynamics, DAG Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 SPARC Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 11:55:59PM +0100, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > So i cannot understand, take a closer look: > > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1121,43,00.shtml > > > > May anyone here explain me this ? > > As far as I can see, Seagate's specifications are somewhat conflicting, > or at the very least unclear. I'm looking at the "Performance" table from > > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/enterprise/tech/0,1131,43,00.shtml > > Yes, it says "External (I/O) Transfer Rate (max) 80 MBytes/sec" - but this > is worthless since it obviously means transfer from the cache. The number > which is interesting is *sustained* transfer rate, at the outer and inner > part of the disk. > > (Compare with "Internal Transfer Rate (max) 264 Mbits/sec" - you'd need an > internal transfer rate of more than 640 Mbits/s to get a sustained 80 MB/s > from the outer part of the disk.) > > Even so, an *average* formatted transfer rate of 22.5 MB/s is rather good! FWIW, this is a 3.3-RELEASE system: da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 47702MB (97693755 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 6081C) 48 [negara] (root) benchmarks/rawio/work # rawio /dev/rda0c Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec anon 3556.7 220 5227.6 319 I can't perform any write tests, this drive is in use. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, CompScience Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 15:52:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02AF14D8C for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz) Received: from lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.12]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03613 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:52:38 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.0) id MAA27765 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:52:37 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:52:37 +1300 From: Joerg Micheel To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000113125237.J5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz>; from Joerg Micheel on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 12:43:14PM +1300 Organization: SCMS, The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Project: WAND - Waikato Applied Network Dynamics, DAG Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 SPARC Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Regarding the Barracuda ST150176LW ... I'd like to comment that the real problem with this drive is rather on the backup side. I'm using a DDS4 drive (40GB compressed, 20GB raw) and I get about 10GB / hour backup performance. Both the disk and the tape drive are on the same SCSI channel. The disk is almost full, lots of gzip'ed data on it. It took me an estimated 8 hours and 3 DDS4 tapes for the complete dump 0. Time for LTO to show up. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, CompScience Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 15:55: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055D614F04 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:54:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA93111; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:54:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:54:28 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Joerg Micheel Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, grios@ddsecurity.com.br, ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000112165428.A93083@panzer.kdm.org> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz>; from joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 12:43:14PM +1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 12:43:14 +1300, Joerg Micheel wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 11:55:59PM +0100, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > > So i cannot understand, take a closer look: > > > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1121,43,00.shtml > > > > > > May anyone here explain me this ? > > > > As far as I can see, Seagate's specifications are somewhat conflicting, > > or at the very least unclear. I'm looking at the "Performance" table from > > > > http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/enterprise/tech/0,1131,43,00.shtml > > > > Yes, it says "External (I/O) Transfer Rate (max) 80 MBytes/sec" - but this > > is worthless since it obviously means transfer from the cache. The number > > which is interesting is *sustained* transfer rate, at the outer and inner > > part of the disk. > > > > (Compare with "Internal Transfer Rate (max) 264 Mbits/sec" - you'd need an > > internal transfer rate of more than 640 Mbits/s to get a sustained 80 MB/s > > from the outer part of the disk.) > > > > Even so, an *average* formatted transfer rate of 22.5 MB/s is rather good! > > FWIW, this is a 3.3-RELEASE system: > > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da0: 47702MB (97693755 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 6081C) > > 48 [negara] (root) benchmarks/rawio/work # rawio /dev/rda0c > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > anon 3556.7 220 5227.6 319 > > I can't perform any write tests, this drive is in use. That seems very low. What happens with dd? e.g.: dd if=/dev/rda0c of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 At least for sequential reads, I would expect something in the neighborhood of what Seagate claims, and their claim of 22.5MB/sec doesn't seem out of line for a new drive with high media density like that one. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 16: 8:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8C114D8C for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:08:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA93210; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:08:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:08:37 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Joerg Micheel Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000112170836.B93083@panzer.kdm.org> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000113125237.J5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000113125237.J5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz>; from joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 12:52:37PM +1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 12:52:37 +1300, Joerg Micheel wrote: > Regarding the Barracuda ST150176LW ... > > I'd like to comment that the real problem with this drive is rather on > the backup side. I'm using a DDS4 drive (40GB compressed, 20GB raw) and > I get about 10GB / hour backup performance. Both the disk and the tape > drive are on the same SCSI channel. The disk is almost full, lots of > gzip'ed data on it. It took me an estimated 8 hours and 3 DDS4 tapes for > the complete dump 0. dump is notoriously slow. I've got a number of systems that back up onto a central AIT drive at work. We're pushing close to 50G per night onto one AIT tape (maximum we've gotten is 55GB on a 170m AIT-1 tape), and it takes 9.5-10 hours to do the backup. The speed isn't limited by the network (switched 100BaseT) or the drive (AIT drives can handle a good bit more than the 1.4MB/sec or so we're throwing at it.) The limiting factor is dump. If a file-based backup is acceptable, you could probably get a lot better performance by going through the filesystem. > Time for LTO to show up. What's LTO? Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 16:24:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB4E14E09 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:24:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz) Received: from lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.12]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04449; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:24:16 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA28176; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:24:14 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:24:14 +1300 From: Joerg Micheel To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, grios@ddsecurity.com.br, ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000113132414.K5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112165428.A93083@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20000112165428.A93083@panzer.kdm.org>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 04:54:28PM -0700 Organization: SCMS, The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Project: WAND - Waikato Applied Network Dynamics, DAG Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 SPARC Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 04:54:28PM -0700, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 12:43:14 +1300, Joerg Micheel wrote: > > FWIW, this is a 3.3-RELEASE system: > > > > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > > da0: 47702MB (97693755 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 6081C) > > > > 48 [negara] (root) benchmarks/rawio/work # rawio /dev/rda0c > > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > > anon 3556.7 220 5227.6 319 > > > > I can't perform any write tests, this drive is in use. > > > That seems very low. What happens with dd? e.g.: > > dd if=/dev/rda0c of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 > > At least for sequential reads, I would expect something in the > neighborhood of what Seagate claims, and their claim of 22.5MB/sec doesn't > seem out of line for a new drive with high media density like that one. Hmm, still learning how to apply the tools properly ... 50 [negara] (root) # dd if=/dev/rda0c of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 4096+0 records in 4096+0 records out 4294967296 bytes transferred in 178.795312 secs (24021700 bytes/sec) 54 [negara] (root) # dd if=/dev/rda0c of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 skip=2047 4096+0 records in 4096+0 records out 4294967296 bytes transferred in 179.872815 secs (23877801 bytes/sec) dd refuses to skip more than 2GB, so I cannot continue here ... but: 60 [negara] (root) # rawio -c 128 /dev/rda0c Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec anon 6790.6 103 14491.1 221 61 [negara] (root) # rawio -c 144 /dev/rda0c Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec anon 6777.9 92 13295.9 180 62 [negara] (root) # rawio -c 192 /dev/rda0c Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec anon 7163.9 73 14467.4 147 rawio -c 256 causes bad reads on the disk. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, CompScience Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 16:30:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B8614C22 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:30:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz) Received: from lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.12]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04606; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:30:22 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA28262; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:30:15 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:30:13 +1300 From: Joerg Micheel To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000113133013.L5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000113125237.J5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112170836.B93083@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20000112170836.B93083@panzer.kdm.org>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 05:08:37PM -0700 Organization: SCMS, The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Project: WAND - Waikato Applied Network Dynamics, DAG Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 SPARC Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 05:08:37PM -0700, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 12:52:37 +1300, Joerg Micheel wrote: > > Regarding the Barracuda ST150176LW ... > > > > I'd like to comment that the real problem with this drive is rather on > > the backup side. I'm using a DDS4 drive (40GB compressed, 20GB raw) and > > I get about 10GB / hour backup performance. Both the disk and the tape > > drive are on the same SCSI channel. The disk is almost full, lots of > > gzip'ed data on it. It took me an estimated 8 hours and 3 DDS4 tapes for > > the complete dump 0. > > dump is notoriously slow. I've got a number of systems that back up onto a > central AIT drive at work. We're pushing close to 50G per night onto one > AIT tape (maximum we've gotten is 55GB on a 170m AIT-1 tape), and it takes > 9.5-10 hours to do the backup. > > The speed isn't limited by the network (switched 100BaseT) or the drive > (AIT drives can handle a good bit more than the 1.4MB/sec or so we're > throwing at it.) The limiting factor is dump. Hmm, I have seen 1.7MB with this dump. > If a file-based backup is acceptable, you could probably get a lot better > performance by going through the filesystem. Interesting thought, will try. > > Time for LTO to show up. > > What's LTO? Linear Tape Open, looks like pretty accepted technology: http://www.lto-technology.com/ Or search on the HP website for Ultrium. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, CompScience Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 16:34:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAFF14A06 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA93533; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:33:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:33:58 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Joerg Micheel Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, grios@ddsecurity.com.br, ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000112173358.A93414@panzer.kdm.org> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112165428.A93083@panzer.kdm.org> <20000113132414.K5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000113132414.K5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz>; from joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 01:24:14PM +1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 13:24:14 +1300, Joerg Micheel wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 04:54:28PM -0700, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 12:43:14 +1300, Joerg Micheel wrote: > > > FWIW, this is a 3.3-RELEASE system: > > > > > > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > > > da0: 47702MB (97693755 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 6081C) > > > > > > 48 [negara] (root) benchmarks/rawio/work # rawio /dev/rda0c > > > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > > > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > > > anon 3556.7 220 5227.6 319 > > > > > > I can't perform any write tests, this drive is in use. > > > > > > That seems very low. What happens with dd? e.g.: > > > > dd if=/dev/rda0c of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 > > > > At least for sequential reads, I would expect something in the > > neighborhood of what Seagate claims, and their claim of 22.5MB/sec doesn't > > seem out of line for a new drive with high media density like that one. > > Hmm, still learning how to apply the tools properly ... > > 50 [negara] (root) # dd if=/dev/rda0c of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 > 4096+0 records in > 4096+0 records out > 4294967296 bytes transferred in 178.795312 secs (24021700 bytes/sec) > > 54 [negara] (root) # dd if=/dev/rda0c of=/dev/null bs=1m count=4096 skip=2047 > 4096+0 records in > 4096+0 records out > 4294967296 bytes transferred in 179.872815 secs (23877801 bytes/sec) Those numbers are pretty close to what Seagate was claiming. > dd refuses to skip more than 2GB, so I cannot continue here ... but: > > 60 [negara] (root) # rawio -c 128 /dev/rda0c > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > anon 6790.6 103 14491.1 221 > 61 [negara] (root) # rawio -c 144 /dev/rda0c > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > anon 6777.9 92 13295.9 180 > 62 [negara] (root) # rawio -c 192 /dev/rda0c > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > anon 7163.9 73 14467.4 147 > > rawio -c 256 causes bad reads on the disk. What do you mean it causes bad reads? Are there any error message printed out? It may take careful tuning to get the same sorts of numbers out of rawio that you got out of dd, above, if that is even possible. (I haven't done much with rawio.) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 16:37:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F9E154E7 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40325>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:28:23 +1100 Content-return: prohibited From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: hardware In-reply-to: <20000112170836.B93083@panzer.kdm.org>; from ken@kdm.org on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 11:01:20AM +1100 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <00Jan13.112823est.40325@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000113125237.J5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112170836.B93083@panzer.kdm.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:28:21 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-Jan-13 11:01:20 +1100, "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: >dump is notoriously slow. I wouldn't say `notoriously', but I agree it is slower than it could be. >If a file-based backup is acceptable, you could probably get a lot better >performance by going through the filesystem. I'm not so sure. My experiences are that something like tar is significantly slower than dump (and will result is all the inodes having their atime updated). Admittedly, this will depend on the sizes and layout of the files. Some time ago (mid-November 1998), I looked into dump (check out the thread `dump(8) very slow' in freebsd-hackers). The major problem with dump is that it reads the disk in filesystem-block (typically 8K) sized blocks (or less for frags) and doesn't attempt to merge adjacent reads. It also dumps files in inode order - accessing the disk in same order as the output blocks, rather than trying to sort the disk reads. I instrumented dump to get a record of physical disk accesses whilst dumping a couple of filesystems and did some experiments with re-ordering the reads, but never posted my results (I don't remember what the results were, but I didn't get a massive speed-up). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 16:42:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B76015035 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:42:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz) Received: from lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (joerg@lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.12]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04869; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:42:21 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA28452; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:42:12 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:42:11 +1300 From: Joerg Micheel To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, grios@ddsecurity.com.br, ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000113134211.M5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112165428.A93083@panzer.kdm.org> <20000113132414.K5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112173358.A93414@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20000112173358.A93414@panzer.kdm.org>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 05:33:58PM -0700 Organization: SCMS, The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Project: WAND - Waikato Applied Network Dynamics, DAG Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 SPARC Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 05:33:58PM -0700, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > rawio -c 256 causes bad reads on the disk. > > What do you mean it causes bad reads? Are there any error message printed > out? 58 [negara] (root) # rawio -c 256 /dev/rda0c Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec anon Child 1 Bad read at 1291010048: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 Child 0 Bad read at 1940982272: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 Child 2 Bad read at 1813053440: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 Child 5 Bad read at 2025523200: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 Child 6 Bad read at 2036186624: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 Child 4 Bad read at 1428914688: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 Child 3 Bad read at 625769472: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 Child 7 Bad read at 2126529024: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 4249.6 47 ^C 256 is the maximum on FreeBSD (according to the manpage). Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, CompScience Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 16:46:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1782F15099 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA93632; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:46:00 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Peter Jeremy Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000112174600.C93414@panzer.kdm.org> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000113125237.J5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112170836.B93083@panzer.kdm.org> <00Jan13.112932est.40330@border.alcanet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <00Jan13.112932est.40330@border.alcanet.com.au>; from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 11:29:30AM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 11:29:30 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2000-Jan-13 11:01:20 +1100, "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > >dump is notoriously slow. > > I wouldn't say `notoriously', but I agree it is slower than it could be. > > >If a file-based backup is acceptable, you could probably get a lot better > >performance by going through the filesystem. > > I'm not so sure. My experiences are that something like tar is > significantly slower than dump (and will result is all the inodes > having their atime updated). Admittedly, this will depend on the > sizes and layout of the files. I was thinking more about bru, which seemed to be a fair bit faster than dump when I tried it out a year or two ago. tar may indeed be slower. > Some time ago (mid-November 1998), I looked into dump (check out the > thread `dump(8) very slow' in freebsd-hackers). The major problem > with dump is that it reads the disk in filesystem-block (typically 8K) > sized blocks (or less for frags) and doesn't attempt to merge adjacent > reads. It also dumps files in inode order - accessing the disk in > same order as the output blocks, rather than trying to sort the disk > reads. Yep, that sounds right. > I instrumented dump to get a record of physical disk accesses whilst > dumping a couple of filesystems and did some experiments with > re-ordering the reads, but never posted my results (I don't remember > what the results were, but I didn't get a massive speed-up). If you do manage to speed up dump, you'd be a hero to pretty much anyone who uses it to do backups. :) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 12 16:51:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EE215035 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:51:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA93664; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:49:37 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Joerg Micheel Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, grios@ddsecurity.com.br, ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hardware Message-ID: <20000112174937.D93414@panzer.kdm.org> References: <387D0354.63159B8@ddsecurity.com.br> <72218.947717759@verdi.nethelp.no> <20000113124314.I5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112165428.A93083@panzer.kdm.org> <20000113132414.K5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> <20000112173358.A93414@panzer.kdm.org> <20000113134211.M5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000113134211.M5228@cs.waikato.ac.nz>; from joerg@cs.waikato.ac.nz on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 01:42:11PM +1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 13:42:11 +1300, Joerg Micheel wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 05:33:58PM -0700, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > > rawio -c 256 causes bad reads on the disk. > > > > What do you mean it causes bad reads? Are there any error message printed > > out? > > 58 [negara] (root) # rawio -c 256 /dev/rda0c > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > anon Child 1 Bad read at 1291010048: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 > Child 0 Bad read at 1940982272: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 > Child 2 Bad read at 1813053440: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 > Child 5 Bad read at 2025523200: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 > Child 6 Bad read at 2036186624: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 > Child 4 Bad read at 1428914688: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 > Child 3 Bad read at 625769472: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 > Child 7 Bad read at 2126529024: (null) (671942847), iocount 14 > 4249.6 47 ^C > > 256 is the maximum on FreeBSD (according to the manpage). Hmm. And there are no error messages printed on the console? 256 blocks == 128K, so you might be running into some sort of problem with physio, but I would think that anything too big would just get broken up into multiple chunks. Well, I dunno what those errors mean, you'd probably have to talk to Greg or look at the source to decipher them. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 13 18:28:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2840150E3 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from awhitcroft@bigfoot.com) Received: from sequent.sequent.com (sequent.sequent.com [138.95.19.1]) by gateway.sequent.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28977; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from kodiak.svc.uk.sequent.com (kodiak.svc.uk.sequent.com [158.84.31.100]) by sequent.sequent.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/token.aware-1.2) with ESMTP id SAA11340; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 18:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (apw@localhost) by kodiak.svc.uk.sequent.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15643; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:28:49 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: kodiak.svc.uk.sequent.com: apw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:28:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Andy Whitcroft X-Sender: apw@kodiak.svc.uk.sequent.com To: Castor Fu Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: macronix and broadcast packets. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a pair of FreeBSD 3.4-stable machines sporting Macronix 10/100 ethernet cards: rev 0x25 I belive that the incoming address filters are not working as expected. Specifically, ARP exchanges between the nodes are failing. If I either place static arp table entries on each node, or enable promiscious mode (running tcpdump on an alternate VT) then the nodes can communicate successfully. I suspect a problem with the input filters either in operation or initialisation? Anyone got any further before I start hacking the driver to diagnose this further? Thanks in advance. Andy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 13 19: 0:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sfo.geocast.com (mail.geocast.net [209.125.100.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AED1504B for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:00:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from castor@geocast.com) Received: from swamp.sfo.geocast.net ([209.125.100.45]) by mail.sfo.geocast.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4E84; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:00:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:00:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Castor Fu" X-Sender: castor@swamp.sfo.geocast.net To: Andy Whitcroft Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: macronix and broadcast packets. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have a pair of FreeBSD 3.4-stable machines sporting Macronix 10/100 > ethernet cards: > > rev 0x25 > > I belive that the incoming address filters are not working as expected. > Specifically, ARP exchanges between the nodes are failing. If I either > place static arp table entries on each node, or enable promiscious mode > (running tcpdump on an alternate VT) then the nodes can communicate > successfully. I suspect a problem with the input filters either in > operation or initialisation? > > Anyone got any further before I start hacking the driver to diagnose this > further? I haven't done any more, but I'd note that they work fine under NetBSD. However, NetBSD doesn't support autonegotiation on these cards. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 13 20:30:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1CE14C2C for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cmdrpc@worldnet.att.net) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.68.64.5]) by mtiwmhc09.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <20000114043017.KFWQ10531@worldnet.att.net> for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 04:30:17 +0000 Message-ID: <387DDD9B.83A2E438@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:13:48 -0500 From: Patrick Cody X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Sharing Printers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need help. I have several computers that need to share an HP laserjet. The computers are running Windows NT, RedHat Linux 6.0, FreeBSD3.4, and OpenBSD 2.5. I have been looking at the options available and reading the FreeBSD mail archives and I have not realy found an answer. My main question is can I use a Bitronics Autoswitch like the Belkin F1U124 to switch between these systems and the printer. This particular switch supports the HP printers and Windows operating systems. but can Linux, and the BSD's work with it? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 13 20:33:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC895151CA for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 128yQO-000GQw-00; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:33:24 -0800 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Patrick Cody Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Sharing Printers References: <387DDD9B.83A2E438@worldnet.att.net> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:33:24 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org you can attach it to a bsd and then rm= everone else's printcap to the server's spool. or you can just get an ether interface for it. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 0:23:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3b058.neo.rr.com [24.93.181.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12A014A12 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:23:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00591; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 03:22:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 03:22:42 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Nowlin To: Olaf Hoyer Cc: up@3.am, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server mainboards, was: Re: Gigabyte Athlon motherboard In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000111120908.00c57df0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >As long as we're on the subject of motherboards for FreeBSD, I'd love some > >feedback on higher-end server boards with integrated SCSI and Ethernet, as > >well as console redirection to the serial ports. I've been using the > >Intel L440GX+ with pretty good results, but I was wondering what else > >there is, now that there are 133Mhz memory busses, etc. Although a bit old, the Intel DK440LX board has served me well... Dual-channel SCSI, 10/100 ethernet, sound, etc. I have a pair of 333 P-II's running without any problems. I'm planning on getting the "upgraded" version of this board (if it exists) to run some faster processors on one of these days..... -mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 2: 6:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dinah.alice.net.uk (dinah.alice.net.uk [194.242.156.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD71815020 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aledm@routers.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost.ntd.co.uk [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by dinah.alice.net.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA11605; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:05:41 GMT (envelope-from aledm@routers.co.uk) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:05:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Aled Morris X-Sender: aledm@dinah.alice.net.uk To: Randy Bush Cc: Patrick Cody , "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Sharing Printers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Randy Bush wrote: >you can attach it to a bsd and then rm= everone else's printcap to the >server's spool. > >or you can just get an ether interface for it. Either way, I also recommend: http://www.utexas.edu/academic/otl/software/lpr/ Aled To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 4:38:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mserv.itpa.lt (mserv.itpa.lt [193.219.53.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914D1151EF; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 04:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gedas@itpa.lt) Received: from localhost (gedas@localhost) by mserv.itpa.lt (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA03571; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:38:27 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:38:26 +0200 (EET) From: Gediminas Vilutis To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We have a problem with Compaq Smart Array 221 controller. We are trying to use it on non-Compaq server (Intel LB440GX 2U server system, with Intel L440GX+ motherboard). The problem we encountered is that we can't setup RAID array. I.e., FreeBSD (and Linux) drivers sees controller correctly, but all Compaq utilities, that we were able to find, are either NT based (haven't tried them yet) or complain that motherboard doesn't support some function (ecc error checking on pci bus or something like that). So, does anybody know how to setup a RAID array on this controller? Or is that controller dead thing on non-compaq servers? Thanks, Gedas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 6:19: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from zmamail02.zma.compaq.com (zmamail02.zma.compaq.com [161.114.64.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A3714D42; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:18:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael.waite@compaq.com) Received: by zmamail02.zma.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id AAAAC329; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from exctay-gh02.tay.cpqcorp.net (exctay-gh02.tay.cpqcorp.net [16.103.129.52]) by zmamail02.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD913D5; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by exctay-gh02.tay.cpqcorp.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:18:53 -0500 Message-ID: <212CC57E84B8D111AD780000F84AA04906963F27@mroexc2.tay.dec.com> From: "Waite, Michael" To: 'Gediminas Vilutis' , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:18:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You setup the controller with the configuration utility that came with the controller. Basically just boot the system from the cd then configure the RAID. Then bring the system back up and the "logical drives" that you made can be accessed by your OS. -----Mike -----Original Message----- From: Gediminas Vilutis [mailto:gedas@itpa.lt] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:38 AM To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers Hi, We have a problem with Compaq Smart Array 221 controller. We are trying to use it on non-Compaq server (Intel LB440GX 2U server system, with Intel L440GX+ motherboard). The problem we encountered is that we can't setup RAID array. I.e., FreeBSD (and Linux) drivers sees controller correctly, but all Compaq utilities, that we were able to find, are either NT based (haven't tried them yet) or complain that motherboard doesn't support some function (ecc error checking on pci bus or something like that). So, does anybody know how to setup a RAID array on this controller? Or is that controller dead thing on non-compaq servers? Thanks, Gedas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 7:20:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mserv.itpa.lt (mserv.itpa.lt [193.219.53.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03B015020 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 07:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gedas@itpa.lt) Received: from localhost (gedas@localhost) by mserv.itpa.lt (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04468; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:19:32 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:19:32 +0200 (EET) From: Gediminas Vilutis To: "Waite, Michael" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers In-Reply-To: <212CC57E84B8D111AD780000F84AA04906963F27@mroexc2.tay.dec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Waite, Michael wrote: > You setup the controller with the configuration utility that came with the > controller. > Basically just boot the system from the cd then configure the RAID. > Then bring the system back up and the "logical drives" that you made can be > accessed by your OS. > > -----Mike The problem is that i'm trying to use this controller not in ProLiant server (as i have mentioned, it is Intel LB440GX system with L440GX+ motherboard). After I try to boot from CD, configuration utility just says "this system is not supported by this version of SmartStart" and installation stops. So, does this controller work not in ProLiant servers? CD version is 4.4, if that can help. Gedas > -----Original Message----- > From: Gediminas Vilutis [mailto:gedas@itpa.lt] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:38 AM > To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers > > > Hi, > > We have a problem with Compaq Smart Array 221 controller. We are trying to > use it on non-Compaq server (Intel LB440GX 2U server system, with > Intel L440GX+ motherboard). > > The problem we encountered is that we can't setup RAID array. I.e., > FreeBSD (and Linux) drivers sees controller correctly, but all Compaq > utilities, that we were able to find, are either NT based (haven't tried > them yet) or complain that motherboard doesn't support some function (ecc > error checking on pci bus or something like that). > > So, does anybody know how to setup a RAID array on this controller? Or is > that controller dead thing on non-compaq servers? > > Thanks, > Gedas > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 9: 8: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from zmamail02.zma.compaq.com (zmamail02.zma.compaq.com [161.114.64.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57531567F for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wayne.corelli@compaq.com) Received: by zmamail02.zma.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id D2A6125D; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from exctay-gh02.tay.cpqcorp.net (exctay-gh02.tay.cpqcorp.net [16.103.129.52]) by zmamail02.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB869205 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by exctay-gh02.tay.cpqcorp.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:04:34 -0500 Message-ID: <212CC57E84B8D111AD780000F84AA049077E05CE@mroexc2.tay.dec.com> From: "Corelli, Wayne" To: "Waite, Michael" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:04:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My understanding is you can use it in a non-Compaq box by installing the software to configure the RAID into NT. You can configure the RAID on a COMPAQ box running Linux/FreeBSD using the Smart start CD. Running FreeBsd on a non-Compaq box the only answer I can thing of is to dual-boot with a small NT boot. Install the RAID software into NT. Configure the RAID in NT. Boot back to FreeBSD and do the disk label etc. there. You should be able to extract the NT RAID software from your Smart start CD. If not go to.... http://www.compaq.com/support/files/server/softpaqs/Rompaq/arrayconfig.html Create the two disk set.....install from the two disk set. You then can configure the RAID from within NT. Wayne PS you may want to look at http://www.compaq.com/support/files/storage/index.html also > ---------- > From: Waite, Michael > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 11:46 AM > To: Corelli, Wayne > Subject: FW: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers > > Wayne, > Your thoughts on this? > > ---Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gediminas Vilutis [mailto:gedas@itpa.lt] > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:20 AM > To: Waite, Michael > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers > > > > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Waite, Michael wrote: > > > You setup the controller with the configuration utility that came with > the > > controller. > > Basically just boot the system from the cd then configure the RAID. > > Then bring the system back up and the "logical drives" that you made can > be > > accessed by your OS. > > > > -----Mike > > The problem is that i'm trying to use this controller not in ProLiant > server (as i have mentioned, it is Intel LB440GX system with L440GX+ > motherboard). After I try to boot from CD, configuration utility just > says "this system is not supported by this version of SmartStart" and > installation stops. > > So, does this controller work not in ProLiant servers? > > CD version is 4.4, if that can help. > > Gedas > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gediminas Vilutis [mailto:gedas@itpa.lt] > > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:38 AM > > To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers > > > > > > Hi, > > > > We have a problem with Compaq Smart Array 221 controller. We are trying > to > > use it on non-Compaq server (Intel LB440GX 2U server system, with > > Intel L440GX+ motherboard). > > > > The problem we encountered is that we can't setup RAID array. I.e., > > FreeBSD (and Linux) drivers sees controller correctly, but all Compaq > > utilities, that we were able to find, are either NT based (haven't tried > > them yet) or complain that motherboard doesn't support some function > (ecc > > error checking on pci bus or something like that). > > > > So, does anybody know how to setup a RAID array on this controller? Or > is > > that controller dead thing on non-compaq servers? > > > > Thanks, > > Gedas > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 12:28:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dee.isi.edu (dee.isi.edu [128.9.160.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCA31501D for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:28:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larse@ISI.EDU) Received: (from larse@localhost) by dee.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.8.8) id MAA04973; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:28:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14463.34531.958673.838976@dee.isi.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:28:19 -0800 (PST) From: Lars Eggert To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Intel i840 chipset & FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have experience running FreeBSD with an Intel i840-based board? We're considering Dell Precision Workstation 420s for our labs, but FreeBSD compatibility is a must. Lars ___________________________________________________________________________ Lars Eggert Information Sciences Institute http://www.isi.edu/~larse/ University of Southern California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 13:14:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB51F14E47 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:14:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA15345; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:13:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:13:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Gediminas Vilutis Cc: "Waite, Michael" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Gediminas Vilutis wrote: > The problem is that i'm trying to use this controller not in ProLiant > server (as i have mentioned, it is Intel LB440GX system with L440GX+ > motherboard). After I try to boot from CD, configuration utility just > says "this system is not supported by this version of SmartStart" and > installation stops. > > So, does this controller work not in ProLiant servers? Compaq IDA and Smart array controllers may only be configured in Compaq servers. I suspect that the config utilities are calling some Compaq BIOS interrupt and bailing when it doesn't work. Some work with debug may allow you to NOP out the offending call. I've been intending to do this myself but I don't have a supported IDA adapter, nor do I have an array of disks to use with the adapter. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 14 16: 9:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8EF14D1F; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:09:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02816; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:16:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200001150016.QAA02816@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Gediminas Vilutis Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compaq Smart Array 221 on non Compaq servers In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:38:26 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:16:20 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > > We have a problem with Compaq Smart Array 221 controller. We are trying to > use it on non-Compaq server (Intel LB440GX 2U server system, with > Intel L440GX+ motherboard). > > The problem we encountered is that we can't setup RAID array. I.e., > FreeBSD (and Linux) drivers sees controller correctly, but all Compaq > utilities, that we were able to find, are either NT based (haven't tried > them yet) or complain that motherboard doesn't support some function (ecc > error checking on pci bus or something like that). > > So, does anybody know how to setup a RAID array on this controller? Or is > that controller dead thing on non-compaq servers? Compaq controllers are intended by Compaq to only be used in Compaq servers. Under some circumstances you might get lucky otherwise, but as a general rule you can forget using them in any other system. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 15 9:46:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBD414D65 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:46:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com (robinson@gj-15-142.bta.net.cn [202.106.15.142]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11812 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:46:48 +0800 (CST) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06653 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:46:59 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:46:59 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200001151746.BAA06653@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: USB CD-RW drive Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just received a HP USB CD-RW drive. Is there any hope of making this work under freebsd? Is there any hope of making it work after Warner finishes his newbusification work? -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 15 13:13: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC93714A23 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:13:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA52770; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:17:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <200001152117.QAA52770@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Intel i840 chipset & FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <14463.34531.958673.838976@dee.isi.edu> from Lars Eggert at "Jan 14, 2000 12:28:19 pm" To: larse@isi.edu (Lars Eggert) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:17:13 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lars Eggert wrote, > Does anyone have experience running FreeBSD with an Intel i840-based board? > We're considering Dell Precision Workstation 420s for our labs, but FreeBSD > compatibility is a must. I've got FreeBSD running on a Precision 410. It absolutely smokes. I was actually taken aback at how smoothly it all went (I'm more accustomed to battling 486's with iffy hardware and wacked-out configs from M$ OS days). The only thing that is a "problem" is the integrated soundcard does not work... not that we have speakers or have ever really tried to use it. Now, the 410's have the i440BX chipset, but the systems do still have a lot in common (the 420 has no ISA bus, mind you). I just thought it might have some relevance. Some URLs to compare if you are interested: http://support.dell.com/docs/systems/ws420/en/en_ug/specs.htm http://support.dell.com/docs/systems/deqkmt/en/eq_mt/TECHNICA.HTM http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/intel840/index.htm http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/440BX/ -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message