From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 19 7:33:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE46C37B5B5 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 07:32:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from henny.calcaphon.com (henny.calcaphon.com [10.0.0.36]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA86443 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:35:56 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:30:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: FreeBSD Mobile Mailing List Subject: umass driver (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1287665802-953479842=:1430" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1287665802-953479842=:1430 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If anyone is using the umass driver (available in CURRENT, patch for 4.x-STABLE attached), please send me the output of (*) dmesg | grep '^\(.hci\|usb\|umass\|da\|(da\)' \ mail -s 'Drive info' n_hibma@freebsd.org And if you like, send me comments on whether that works for you and whether you have seen any problems. Reported to work: VSTtech drives, VAIO floppies, Iomega Zip drives. Thanks in advance. Nick (*) Which will give me the information on the USB host controller, any usbXX error messages and the umass drive in use, the SCSI device messages, including the 'lost device' messages' -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ --0-1287665802-953479842=:1430 Content-Type: APPLICATION/octet-stream; name="umass.diff.gz" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="umass.diff.gz" H4sICCvy1DgAA3VtYXNzLmRpZmYAvDv9U9tIsj+Lv2Iqe/Vig7+BhMBuLjY2 iStgOMtekt26UsnS2NZhS1qNxMft7f/+untm9GHLQO5VPXaDZfV0T09/TXfP MPRd/njKEjFrLPd++b//7I3PTTb3VvyUNZfBmjd95140ReQ0xZNouvy+CVM1 abra/V7E48jj956/YBF8CC/wWbvRfr8LcLLnevM5qyesHuE4+XGyV6/X5RKM 9ocPH5rtTrPzgbWOTg+PT4/eG0Tx4OBADem0Wq1m67DZPmHt96eHh6dHbYOo fPrE6u3aMTvAX58+7bHmvvG3EY97Zl9JqHYPXBwCHs3SanZarNM+bXVODz8w O1kkIhaCDR5D9jdjv7lXR/yLiHMisEMGtF5WwjYLecyjjNrBa6mdsJIVMt9a erO1ndFjuL49xvbZeRA+Rd5iGbOKU0VWTthkyZlcObsIEt+1Y9BAjQ19p0Fi 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"unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 19 8:29:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mvfx.com (c35728-b.almda1.sfba.home.com [24.7.201.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6546B37B754 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:29:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@mvfx.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by mobiledan.mvfx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01315 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:53:46 -0800 From: Dan Piponi To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Getting a 505TX to work with FreeBSD 4.0 RELEASE Message-ID: <20000317165344.A575@mobiledan.mvfx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE Organization: can be a good thing Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone had much success with one of these puppies? The main things I'm concerned about are audio (the pcm device isn't detected at boot), and the external Sony CDROM. I have the pccard.conf file that used to work with the 'NinjaATA' CDROM pcmcia card with FreeBSD 3.4 and I tried to adapt it to work with 4.0 with no success. (My pcmcia network card works fine so pccardd is otherwise doing its job correctly.) Previously the CDROM used to map to wdc1 but with ad1, acd0 or anything else I can think of it now fails. It was tricky getting the APM to work too. I have to "boot -c, enable apm" every time I boot. Anyone else had more success than me with this particular beast? Could anyone send me their rc.conf, pccard.conf and their kernel config? -- Dan Piponi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 19 9:12:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B7237B72C for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from henny.calcaphon.com (henny.calcaphon.com [10.0.0.36]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA87399; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:15:11 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:09:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Dan Piponi Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Getting a 505TX to work with FreeBSD 4.0 RELEASE In-Reply-To: <20000317165344.A575@mobiledan.mvfx.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > with ad1, acd0 or anything else I can think of it now fails. It > was tricky getting the APM to work too. I have to "boot -c, enable > apm" every time I boot. Anyone else had more success than me with > this particular beast? Could anyone send me their rc.conf, pccard.conf > and their kernel config? The GENERIC kernel config contains the line: device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 ^^^^^^^ Remove that and recompile The reason for it being there is that a lot of apm implementations used to break and it should not be compiled in by default. Nick -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 19 20: 5:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smartie.braingarage.com (m206-51.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.206.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A814337B882 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:05:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by smartie.braingarage.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22449; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:04:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: robert bowen Message-Id: <200003200404.UAA22449@smartie.braingarage.com> X-Authentication-Warning: smartie.braingarage.com: nobody set sender to robert@braingarage.com using -f To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Reply-To: robert@braingarage.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 Subject: strange time behavior after hibernation Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On my 3.4R laptop hibernation works great, but when the machine resumes from hibernation I get a message like"the time in the real-time clock is invalid. Please check and reset the time immediately" The time shown with "date" is accurate, and when I run ntpdate to double check, it is never more than a second or so off. Any ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 19 23:21: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8243437B885 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16695; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:21:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA13129; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:20:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003200720.AAA13129@harmony.village.org> To: Dan Piponi Subject: Re: Getting a 505TX to work with FreeBSD 4.0 RELEASE Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:53:46 PST." <20000317165344.A575@mobiledan.mvfx.com> References: <20000317165344.A575@mobiledan.mvfx.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:20:53 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20000317165344.A575@mobiledan.mvfx.com> Dan Piponi writes: : Has anyone had much success with one of these puppies? I have 4.0 and 5.0 installed on my PCG-505TS. : The main things I'm concerned about are audio (the pcm device isn't : detected at boot) Mine is. device pcm0 at isa? port ? irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 and I also have options PNPBIOS in my config file as well. : the external Sony CDROM. I have the pccard.conf : file that used to work with the 'NinjaATA' CDROM pcmcia card with : FreeBSD 3.4 and I tried to adapt it to work with 4.0 with no success. With 3.4 PAO you mean? 3.4 didn't support pccard cdrom. Please send it to me along with the pccardc dumpcis output, and I'll make any corrections. I'm able to use my microtech cdrom on my laptop w/o any problems. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Mar 19 23:31:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from www.chasm.org (adsl-63-195-80-23.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.80.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41E37B518 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@chasm.org) Received: (from martin@localhost) by www.chasm.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00615; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:31:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@chasm.org) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:31:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003200731.XAA00615@www.chasm.org> X-Authentication-Warning: www.chasm.org: martin set sender to martin@www.chasm.org using -f From: Charles Martin To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Installing FreeBSD 4.0 on Sony Vaio PCG-F490 laptop Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 on my Sony Vaio PCG-F490 laptop. The laptop comes configured with a C and D drive. In the partition editor I deleted the (extended) D partition and recreated it as a FreeBSD partition. I installed the standard FreeBSD BootMgr. The install seemed to go without difficulty. Upon rebooting, I was presented with the F1; DOS, F2: FreeBSD choice, with F1 preselected. However, I could not select F2; my machine simple beeped at me when I tried. Going back to the partition editor, I see that the geometry is 2205/255/63, so the C partition ending at 18876374 seems to use 1175 cylinders; I guess this is why I can't boot the FreeBSD partition, it is past 1024. But more alarming to me was the result of trying to boot Windows. I get the following: ERROR: Unable to control A20 line! XMS Driver not installed. [A McAfee VirusScan takes place and completes successfully.] Insufficient memory. Insufficient memory. Press any key to continue... HIMEM.SYS is missing. Make sure that the file is in your Windows directory. C:\> (So Windows never does fully boot.) I check C:\WINDOWS and indeed HIMEM.SYS is there. Can someone tell me: (A) How to get my Windows machine back, and (B) How I should go about resizing the C partition to get my FreeBSD root below cylinder 1024? (Do you think the BootMgr wiped out something critical? If so, how can I get it back?) Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 5:55: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F49937B6FA; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 05:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11645; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:54:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Kurakin Roman Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patch to introduce bpfdetach(), Re: BPF question (FreeBSD 40) In-Reply-To: <38D61561.EADEDB6A@cronyx.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Kurakin Roman wrote: > Robert Watson wrote: > > > On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Kurakin Roman wrote: > > > > > I have question about using bpf in my KLD module driver. At attach I > > > call > > > bpfattach function. What should I call at detach? > > > Could some one describe to me how bpf is work (function calls, not bpf > > > as pf :)). > > > > I noticed the same behavior a few weeks ago when using tcpdump in wi0 and > > ejecting the card. This occurs if there are open bpf descriptors for the > > device, and ifdetach is called (freeing the ifnet structure), at the > > bp_bif pointer is not set to NULL. > > So, the problems would be if bpf was opened while we tried to detach > driver? If so, I have another solution. Driver should return EBUSY, if > bpf is open at the moment we try to detach driver. User should close all > references to the device before its unloading. But I don't know what > would be if I try to open bpf after I removed my driver from the kernel. > At this moment I can only give some ideas. I never worked with bpf as > user :( BPF provides a file-like interface to packet streams. You open the first available /dev/bpfX, and then use some ioctl calls to indicate: - What interface to attach to (identified in an ifreq) - Buffer size - Promiscuous or not - What packets you're interested in So the problem isn't so much the bpf open, as much as whether there is currently a bpf device actively monitoring the interface on which ifdetach() is called. Once if_detach is called, the interface is no longer available for bpf to attach to, so if the ioctl is called to connect to the detached interface, ENXIO will be returned. I.e., the device has literally ceased to be configured (it doesn't turn up in ifconfig -a, ifconfig returns ENXIO, etc). The problem is those open BPF sessions, because the BPF descriptor for the session maintains a pointer to the ifnet structure describing the interface in the kernel. This structure is not refcounted, and one of the actions performed in if_detach() is to free that structure. The two obvious fixes are: 1) locate all references and remove them, and 2) add refcounting. I chose (1) as it appears to be more consistent. It doesn't make sense to be sniffing an interface that isn't there, especially if you don't know if it's coming back. It makes more sense to notify the userland application that it no longer exists, so the application can do something different, rather than being stuck blocked in a read() or select(). (2) would involve more work to implement, and doesn't necessarily add any benefit. In particular, if you did do this, you'd probably want to reconnect the sniffing application to the interface if it was recreated--however, most drivers re-malloc their interface structure in each pass, so you'd still need to rewrite pointers to interface structures. I suspect that bpfdetach(ifp) is the most consistent way to do this. When the interface is attached, it is registered with bpf. When it is detached, it is unregistered, and listeners are notified. Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 7:58:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FAD37B81A for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 07:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12X4ZP-0000ju-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:58:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:58:18 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD 4.0 on Sony Vaio PCG-F490 laptop Message-ID: <20000320105818.A2043@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <200003200731.XAA00615@www.chasm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003200731.XAA00615@www.chasm.org>; from martin@chasm.org on Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 11:31:12PM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Charles Martin probably said: > But more alarming to me was the result of trying to boot Windows. I get > the following: > > ERROR: Unable to control A20 line! > XMS Driver not installed. > (So Windows never does fully boot.) I check C:\WINDOWS and indeed > HIMEM.SYS is there. Can someone tell me: (A) How to get my Windows machine > back, and (B) How I should go about resizing the C partition to get my > FreeBSD root below cylinder 1024? Did you power cycle the laptop ? One of the few problems I've had with my sony laptop is the A20 control problem after booting from some sources - like the Partition Magic recovery floppy every time and occasionally freebsd - it will not boot windows until I power the machine off and back on again. I just got into the habit of power cycling the machine in general before booting windows (freebsd deals fine). As to resizing, I recommend Partition Magic. Yes, it's commercial, but it will resize fat32 partitions amongst other things (like converting between fat16 anf fat32 in both directions) and generally seems to work quite well. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 12: 5:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freeride.com (mail.freeride.com [64.14.46.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF4837C86E for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:05:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@freeride.com) Received: from tryder ([216.33.50.62]) by mail.freeride.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA29251 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d501bf92a7$17be3b80$380aa8c0@tryder.freeride.com> From: "Tim Ryder" To: Subject: PCMCIA Modem Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:01:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having trouble using freebsd 4 with a sony vaio pcg-n505ve and a pcmcia maker modem("k56 v.90 datafax modem") When ever i try to dial out my laptop crashes. Does anyone have any information on what might be causing this. Tim Ryder Developer FreeRide.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 13:20:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6502937C3DC for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:57:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12X9F5-0002UO-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:57:39 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:57:38 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3com wavelan/802.11[b]/"AirConnect" Message-ID: <20000320155738.I2043@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.3com.com/mobile/wireless/product.html Does anyone know anything about these ? Theres a special offer on for their base station + 3 11Mbit cards for $1k. Anyone know if they will use the same drivers under freebsd as the lucent cards, or if they are a different impementation ? P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 15:21:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6FB37BA68 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirkx@webweaving.org) Received: from kim.ispra.webweaving.org (va-136.skylink.it [194.185.55.136]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27108; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:21:35 +0100 Received: from webweaving.org (burly.ispra.webweaving.org [10.0.0.21]) by kim.ispra.webweaving.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA09406; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:19:05 GMT X-Passed: MX on Ispra.WebWeaving.org Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:19:05 GMT and masked X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:19:05 GMT Message-ID: <38D6B1E9.371134E8@webweaving.org> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:19:05 +0100 From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik Reply-To: dirkx@webweaving.org Organization: WebWeaving Consultancy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Radcliffe , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com wavelan/802.11[b]/"AirConnect" References: <20000320155738.I2043@pir.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Radcliffe wrote: > > http://www.3com.com/mobile/wireless/product.html > > Does anyone know anything about these ? > > Theres a special offer on for their base station + 3 11Mbit cards for > $1k. Anyone know if they will use the same drivers under freebsd as > the lucent cards, or if they are a different impementation ? Seems to me that is a lot of money; the apple station is 200$ and works just fine with freebsd, the 100$ apple/lucent and the baystack cards. That seems more like a home solution to me. DW To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 16:11: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FBA37BA8F for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:11:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12XCGA-0003e7-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:10:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:10:58 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com wavelan/802.11[b]/"AirConnect" Message-ID: <20000320191058.N2043@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000320155738.I2043@pir.net> <38D6B1E9.371134E8@webweaving.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38D6B1E9.371134E8@webweaving.org>; from dirkx@webweaving.org on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 12:19:05AM +0100 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dirk-Willem van Gulik probably said: > Seems to me that is a lot of money; the apple station is 200$ and works > just fine with freebsd, the 100$ apple/lucent and the baystack cards. That > seems more like a home solution to me. Last I heard the apple base station was difficult or impossible to configure without a mac (this may have changed) and you can't put an external arial on them so their range is limited. The 3com base station just requires one run of cat5 for both power and net, so it would be fairly easy to run this up to the attic and have reasonable range. There is a group of us looking at SAN (square area networking :) in an area where several people live and I hope to be moving to this year, wireless network between several houses with cable modems/DSL NATed out one of the network connection and tunneled between the houses so you could roam between the various base stations. Not worked out all the details yet, since the hardware isn't bought, but it would need decent range and hence an external arial ... As to cards, I have yet to find one under $180. The gold lucent cards (which PAO can use, but not at 11Mbit yet) are $189 from cdw.com. The 3com cards are slightly cheaper, but driver status is unknown (which probably means non-existant as yet). I can't find a reasonable price for the Bay^Wnortel cards anywhere, $240+. At $180/per card, if I put one in a pcmcia controller (I just ordered an SBUS PCMCIA controller, and there are some 3rd party solaris drivers kicking around with a hope of putting a card in the sparc that routes for my house network), that still comes out at over $700. Less than $300 extra to not have to futz with cards in a server and have a standalone wireless bridge isn't that bad for me. Anyway, my question was about drivers ... anyone played with the 3com stuff or got one they could borrow and drop into a freebsd box ? P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 16:37:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dbasecentral.com (prod1.dbasecentral.com [205.243.161.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F8B37BAC8 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@kyler.com) Received: from Cheat (adsl-151-200-15-77.bellatlantic.net [151.200.15.77]) by dbasecentral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10880 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:37:12 -0600 From: "Ken Kyler" To: Subject: WaveLan, PAO & PCMIA Card Adapter Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:37:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf92cd$997e3780$6400a8c0@kyler.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to setup a FreeBSD box (not a laptop) to use the WaveLan/IEEE Turbo 11 pcmcia card. I'm using the WaveLan PCI PC Card to PCI bus adapter. This box also has 2 other NICs: one to my DSL line and another to my hub. This box will be my router/firewall. I want to use the WaveLan to allow my wife's laptop (a Win98 system) to access my local net. Using the PAO kern and mfsroot floppies (version 3.4-RELEASE), I installed FreeBSD via ftp using the NIC connected to my DSL line. So far so good. The bad news is the system does not recognize the WaveLan card. The card's LEDs aren't lit either. I've searched the PAO site, newsgroups, etc and haven't found an answer. Has anyone setup a network like this that could offer some help? TIA Ken Kyler To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 16:51:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F0C37C4EC for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:51:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12XCtB-0003rJ-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:51:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:51:17 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WaveLan, PAO & PCMIA Card Adapter Message-ID: <20000320195116.P2043@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000101bf92cd$997e3780$6400a8c0@kyler.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <000101bf92cd$997e3780$6400a8c0@kyler.com>; from ken@kyler.com on Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 07:37:13PM -0500 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken Kyler probably said: > Turbo 11 pcmcia card. I'm using the WaveLan PCI PC Card to PCI bus adapter. I don't know if the pcmcia controller on that card is supported by PAO. You might need a different pcmcia bridge. > Using the PAO kern and mfsroot floppies (version 3.4-RELEASE), I installed > FreeBSD via ftp using the NIC connected to my DSL line. So far so good. > The bad news is the system does not recognize the WaveLan card. The card's > LEDs aren't lit either. Is the pcmcia controller recognised ? Do you get an insertion event ? Does plugging any other card into the controller produce anything ? > Has anyone setup a network like this that could offer some help? Yes, but not with the wavelan PCI controller. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 16:58:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2A337B9A9 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:58:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@ptavv.es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29859; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:57:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003210057.QAA29859@ptavv.es.net> To: "Ken Kyler" Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WaveLan, PAO & PCMIA Card Adapter In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:37:13 EST." <000101bf92cd$997e3780$6400a8c0@kyler.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:57:52 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Ken Kyler" > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:37:13 -0500 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm trying to setup a FreeBSD box (not a laptop) to use the WaveLan/IEEE > Turbo 11 pcmcia card. I'm using the WaveLan PCI PC Card to PCI bus adapter. > This box also has 2 other NICs: one to my DSL line and another to my hub. > This box will be my router/firewall. I want to use the WaveLan to allow my > wife's laptop (a Win98 system) to access my local net. > > Using the PAO kern and mfsroot floppies (version 3.4-RELEASE), I installed > FreeBSD via ftp using the NIC connected to my DSL line. So far so good. > The bad news is the system does not recognize the WaveLan card. The card's > LEDs aren't lit either. Have you build the kernel with the wi0 device specified? I also set a hard IRQ in my pccard.conf file, although I'm not sure i needed to. I don't use PAO, but my WaveLAN Gold Turbo works fine on my 3.4-Stable laptop and I believe I even had it running with 3.4-release. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 17:59:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6953A37BF4D for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA37788; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003210201.SAA37788@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Peter Radcliffe Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com wavelan/802.11[b]/"AirConnect" In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:10:58 EST." <20000320191058.N2043@pir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:01:55 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > As to cards, I have yet to find one under $180. The gold lucent cards > (which PAO can use, but not at 11Mbit yet) are $189 from cdw.com. These cards work fine under 4.0 (no PAO), FWIW. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 18: 9:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4FA37BC81 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:09:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12XE6Y-0004J5-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:09:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:09:10 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com wavelan/802.11[b]/"AirConnect" Message-ID: <20000320210909.R2043@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000320191058.N2043@pir.net> <200003210201.SAA37788@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003210201.SAA37788@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 06:01:55PM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith probably said: > > As to cards, I have yet to find one under $180. The gold lucent cards > > (which PAO can use, but not at 11Mbit yet) are $189 from cdw.com. > These cards work fine under 4.0 (no PAO), FWIW. The gold cards ? DO they work at 11Mbit under 4.0 or just 6 (or so) Mb like PAO ? P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 18:15:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mass.cdrom.com [204.216.28.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC9537B88F for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:15:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA76467; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:18:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003210218.SAA76467@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Peter Radcliffe Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com wavelan/802.11[b]/"AirConnect" In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:09:10 EST." <20000320210909.R2043@pir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:18:11 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike Smith probably said: > > > As to cards, I have yet to find one under $180. The gold lucent cards > > > (which PAO can use, but not at 11Mbit yet) are $189 from cdw.com. > > These cards work fine under 4.0 (no PAO), FWIW. > > The gold cards ? DO they work at 11Mbit under 4.0 or just 6 (or so) Mb > like PAO ? AFAIK, the 'wi' driver understands the 11Mb mode as well. You'll want to check that with Bill Paul, but we used a Gold card with WEP at Linuxworld in NYC for connectivity. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 18:36: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6584137B8F2 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:35:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12XEWM-0004RU-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:35:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:35:50 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3com wavelan/802.11[b]/"AirConnect" Message-ID: <20000320213550.S2043@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000320210909.R2043@pir.net> <200003210218.SAA76467@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003210218.SAA76467@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 06:18:11PM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith probably said: > AFAIK, the 'wi' driver understands the 11Mb mode as well. You'll want to > check that with Bill Paul, but we used a Gold card with WEP at Linuxworld > in NYC for connectivity. Cool. That'd be a damn good reason to go to 4.* with wireless. The online man pages for 4.0-current still says 6Mb, though. Out of date ? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/wi.4 The wi driver provides support for WaveLAN/IEEE PCCARD adapters (also known as WaveLAN II cards). Note that while Lucent sells both ISA and PCMCIA WaveLAN/IEEE devices, the ISA product is actually a PCMCIA card in an ISA to PCMCIA bridge adapter. Consequently, the wi driver is required for both the ISA and PCMCIA NICs. Both the original 2Mbps WaveLAN/IEEE cards and the newer 6Mbps WaveLAN/IEEE Turbo adapters are supported. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Mar 20 23:43:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D8837B63A for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:43:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA11609; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:23:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200003210723.IAA11609@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modem In-Reply-To: <00d501bf92a7$17be3b80$380aa8c0@tryder.freeride.com> from Tim Ryder at "Mar 20, 2000 03:01:11 pm" To: tim@freeride.com (Tim Ryder) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:23:40 +0100 (CET) Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Tim Ryder wrote: > I am having trouble using freebsd 4 with a sony vaio pcg-n505ve and a pcmcia > maker modem("k56 v.90 datafax modem") When ever i try to dial out my laptop > crashes. Does anyone have any information on what might be causing this. You are not alone, I and several other people has the exact same problem. Warner is aware of it, but until now has not found a solution... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 2:27: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dbasecentral.com (prod1.dbasecentral.com [205.243.161.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CCC37B79B for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@kyler.com) Received: from Cheat (adsl-151-200-15-77.bellatlantic.net [151.200.15.77]) by dbasecentral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA16683 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 04:26:57 -0600 From: "Ken Kyler" To: Subject: RE: WaveLan, PAO & PCMIA Card Adapter Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 05:26:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf931f$fc30f780$6400a8c0@kyler.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20000320195116.P2043@pir.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ken Kyler probably said: > > Turbo 11 pcmcia card. I'm using the WaveLan PCI PC Card to PCI > bus adapter. > > I don't know if the pcmcia controller on that card is supported by PAO. > You might need a different pcmcia bridge. More news. I tried reinstalling and when prompted told the setup script to use the pcmcia card as the install media. It configured and brought the card up -- LEDs lit just fine. No to figure out how to do the same manually. Ken Kyler To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 2:56:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from www.chasm.org (adsl-63-195-80-23.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.80.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF9137B8BA for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:56:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@chasm.org) Received: (from martin@localhost) by www.chasm.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02613; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@chasm.org) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:55:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003211055.CAA02613@www.chasm.org> X-Authentication-Warning: www.chasm.org: martin set sender to martin@www.chasm.org using -f From: Charles Martin To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Sony VAIO PCG-F490 (XG18 & XG19) How-To Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I have X working on my PCG-F490, thanks to Matt Visser's note on comp.os.linux.portable. First of all, once you start playing with FreeBSD, you may get an A20 line error when trying to reboot Windows. If you do, try putting Device=C:\Windows\Himem.sys /TESTMEM:OFF /M:1 in your CONFIG.SYS, it worked for me. (I got this from the Sony tech support website.) To get X working, run xf86config (I had no luck with XF86Setup). For these new Sonys with the NeoMagic 256XL+ chip, specify: Hsync option (#5 or #6 I think) which has 31.5-48.5. Vsync specify your own: 60 Select the NeoMagic laptop from the card list. Don't add a clock line and don't probe the clock. 4096 VRAM (the card actually has 6M, but I went with 4M). Use the SVGA server. When you're done with xf86config, edit /etc/XF86Config by hand. In the device section, uncomment the "VideoRam 4096" and the "Chipset NM2160". Change the chipset to be "NM2200". Because I don't fully understand how X chooses its display resolutions, I edited the "svga" screen to contain only the display subsection with "Depth 16" and "Modes 1024x768". Works for me. Good luck. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 6:54:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBD737B7F0; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 06:54:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from ragnet.demon.co.uk ([158.152.46.40]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XQ3D-000NoR-0A; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:54:32 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12XQ2Z-000H96-00; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:53:51 +0000 Content-Length: 5655 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:53:51 -0000 (GMT) From: Duncan Barclay To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Driver for Webgear Aviator Wireless LAN NICs Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all I've got a driver for the Webgear Wireless LAN cards ported from NetBSD. Download from http://www.ragnet.demon.co.uk/raylink-0.9.tar.gz Only for FreeBSD-3.x README included: Basic Instructions for if_ray - a FreeBSD driver for Webgear/Raylink 2.4GHz Wireless LAN cards. Author: Duncan Barclay, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk Acknowledgements: Christian E. Hopps for his NetBSD driver. Corey Thomas for his Linux driver. Version 0.9: 21/3/00 Updates since 0.1: Signifcant functionality added to driver and control program written. Essentially, complete control of the card is now possible from user land. Promiscious (tested) and multicast (not tested) support added. bpf (i.e. tcpdump) fully supported. Manual pages written. Statistics available. Nearly all code is "knf" - see style(9) Version 0.1: 6/3/00 This driver is my first attempt at any drivers for FreeBSD. It has also been developed without documentation and is essentially a port of the NetBSD driver. This version is essentially alpha code, it does run fine for a few days on my Libretto. It will only work on FreeBSD 3.something, I test/develop on FreeBSD-3.1 with PAO patches, and FreeBSD-3.3. The tar file that this comes with should be unpacked somewhere. You will get the following ./if_*.[ch] code ./module makefile for building klds ./raycontrol makefile and code for configuration utility To try things out, first make sure that you have the PCCard drivers installed (pcic devices and card controller in your kernel configuration). Then remove all other pccards and plug in the Webgear card. At present the "safe" way of starting things is to kill all pccard functionality and start the driver manually. This is due to some problems with the memory allocation and mapping routines in FreeBSDs card services. The following works on FreeBSD-3.1 with PAO, and FreeBSD-3.3 without PAO. First recompile the KLD # cd /sys/i386/isa # ln -sf $R/if_ray.c # ln -sf $R/if_rayreg.h # ln -sf $R/if_raymib.h # ln -sf $R/if_ieee80211.h # cd /sys/modules # mkdir raylink # cd raylink # ln -sf /module/Makefile # make clean # make RAY_DEBUG= Don't worry about the "statment with no effect" warnings. # killall pccardd # kldload `pwd`/ray.ko # pccardc pccardmem 0xd0000 # IRQ= # SLOT=<0, or 1 - the slot you plugged the card into> # pccardc enabler $SLOT ray0 -m 0 0xd0000 48 -i $IRQ If you set the debug level to 2, then you should see this on the console: card0: assign ray0 irq 9 maddr 0xf00d0000 msize 0xc000 ray0: Memory window flags 0x41, start 0xd0000, size 0xc000, card address 0x0 ray0: Fixing up CM flags from 0x41 to 0x40 ray0: maddr 0xf00d0000 msize 0xc000 irq 9 flags 0x0 on isa (PC-Card slot 0) ray0: Start Up Results Firmware version 4 Status 0x80 Ether address 00:00:8f:48:e4:04 Program checksum a7 CIS checksum 32 Japan call sign ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff You may get more information if you have "Firmware version 5". If you get a message about the card status being 0xff then it is likely that the memory on the card is incorrectly mapped (see below). Now you can ifconfig the card and try a ping. # ifconfig ray0 192.168.247.33 ray0: Network parameters after start/join network completed. bss_id ca:00:e0:3e:07:80 inited 0x00 def_txrate 0x03 encrypt 0x00 net_type 0x00 ssid "NETWORK_NAME" priv_start 0x00 priv_join 0x00 # ping 192.168.247.36 PING 192.168.247.36 (192.168.247.36): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 192.168.247.36: icmp_seq=0 ttl=32 time=17.569 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.247.36: icmp_seq=1 ttl=32 time=9.289 ms The default parameters (ssid) are set to those provided in the Webgear windows driver. They can be changed using the raycontrol utility. The box I was pinging (192.168.247.36) is a windows PC. APM is not supported, but you should be able to plug in and remove the card, as well as ifconfig'ing it up and down. From my Libretto, bing reports about 1.2Mbits/s bandwidth. If things don't work first make sure that the line has maddr 0xX00d0000, X is f or c for me but will vary with ammount of RAM in your machine msize 0xc000, if it's not 0xc000 it won't work and that there is a message saying that the CM flags are 0x40. Essentially, the trick to getting it working is to ensure that the memory has been mapped correctly. Try # pccardc rdmap 0 Mem 0: flags 0x040 host 0xd0000 card 0000 size 49152 bytes ... If you don't get a line like the above you're hosed - try redoing the setup. If all this seems well, try running with a higher debugging level (to use a new version of the driver you have to reboot - this is not my fault but you can't unplug kld from the network stack on 3.x). Send me the output from starting the card up and raycontrol. Also, read the comments at the top of the code for more information. Feedback welcome/wanted. Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 7:17:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F09F37BA09 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:17:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirkx@webweaving.org) Received: from kim.ispra.webweaving.org (va-156.skylink.it [194.185.55.156]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23340; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:17:58 +0100 Received: from webweaving.org (burly.ispra.webweaving.org [10.0.0.21]) by kim.ispra.webweaving.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12677; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:16:31 GMT X-Passed: MX on Ispra.WebWeaving.org Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:16:31 GMT and masked X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:16:31 GMT Message-ID: <38D79251.9A80638@webweaving.org> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:16:33 +0100 From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik Reply-To: dirkx@webweaving.org Organization: WebWeaving Consultancy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Duncan Barclay , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driver for Webgear Aviator Wireless LAN NICs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Duncan Barclay wrote: > > Hi all > > I've got a driver for the Webgear Wireless LAN cards ported from NetBSD. > Download from > http://www.ragnet.demon.co.uk/raylink-0.9.tar.gz > Only for FreeBSD-3.x > > README included Well done ! Thanks a million ! DW. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 12:49:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smartie.braingarage.com (m206-51.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.206.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2068137BC44 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:49:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by smartie.braingarage.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01748; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:49:44 -0800 (PST) From: robert bowen Message-Id: <200003212049.MAA01748@smartie.braingarage.com> X-Authentication-Warning: smartie.braingarage.com: nobody set sender to robert@braingarage.com using -f To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Reply-To: robert@braingarage.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 Subject: 4.0-R install PCMCIA problems with NDC Ethernet card Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I upgraded my system to 4.0 over the weekend, and while I was doing it I though to try out the new install. When the PCMCIA configure menu came up, I selected the choice that ignores irq5 - but it didn't. pccardd kept trying to put my card at irq5, and of course the driver timed out. I tried the other two choices (ignore 10/11 and ignore 11) and none of them worked. In the end I booted DOS and ftp'd the files. I installed from the DOS partition just fine, and then edited pccard.conf.sample to exclude irq5. The /etc/defaults/rc.conf started pccardd with -i 5 and -i 10, but it still wanted to attach the card at irq5. I set it up in /etc/rc.conf to start with no flags and use the newly-modified pccard.conf file and it works great. Any ideas on why this could have been? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 18:41: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hbo.isi.edu (hbo.isi.edu [128.9.160.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6470A37B9D0 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:40:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larse@hbo.isi.edu) Received: (from larse@localhost) by hbo.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27564; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:40:54 GMT (envelope-from larse) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:40:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Lars Eggert To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: switching between connected/disconnected operation? Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, we're trying to come up with a way to configure our laptops so that we can easily switch between connected (i.e. we have a net) and disconnected (we have no net) states. This does not need to be automatic (would be nice though), having users type "net on|off" in a shell is perfectly fine. Looking at /etc, it seems that what we'd like requires non-trivial changes to the configuration; the laptops we'd like this for run a number of services that would need to be started/stopped: NIS, NFS (clients), inetd, sendmail, sshd, lpd, amd, named, etc. Some of these should be okay to leave running when disconnecting (e.g. inetd, sshd). Others (NIS, NFS, amd) must be stopped/restarted. Has anyone ever done this? How? Any pointers? This is for 4.0-RELEASE, btw. Thanks, Lars PS: I'm not currently subscribed, please cc me explicitly. ________________________________________________________________________ Lars Eggert Information Sciences Institute http://www.isi.edu/~larse/ University of Southern California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 20:36:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0833A37C06F for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA85551; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:35:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:35:26 -0500 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Lars Eggert Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? Message-ID: <20000321233526.F85043@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: cjclark@home.com References: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu>; from larse@isi.edu on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:40:54PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:40:54PM +0000, Lars Eggert wrote: > Hi, > > we're trying to come up with a way to configure our laptops so that we > can easily switch between connected (i.e. we have a net) and > disconnected (we have no net) states. This does not need to be > automatic (would be nice though), having users type "net on|off" in a > shell is perfectly fine. > > Looking at /etc, it seems that what we'd like requires non-trivial > changes to the configuration; the laptops we'd like this for run a > number of services that would need to be started/stopped: NIS, NFS > (clients), inetd, sendmail, sshd, lpd, amd, named, etc. Some of these > should be okay to leave running when disconnecting (e.g. inetd, sshd). > Others (NIS, NFS, amd) must be stopped/restarted. > > Has anyone ever done this? How? Any pointers? This is for 4.0-RELEASE, > btw. I am very interested in this too, and what I would like to do is even more complicated. There are four basic network states I would have my notebook in, 1) Ethernet on 192.168.x.0 LAN in my apartment 2) Ethernet on 192.168.y.0 LAN in my office 3) Dial-in, PPP, to the registered net in the office 4) Stand-alone Some states would preferably have NFS mounted volumes; some would even want to run services like NIS or Samba. All networked states need to have DNS handled from both the standpoint of different servers and what the machine gives itself for the domain portion of the hostname. Right now, I need to get in there and do some serious tweaking as root to get one setup to work after being in another. Ideally, I'd want to make the computer figure out which net it is on during boot, but I think this might not be the level to start at. My first goal is to script or otherwise automate the changes root does to go from one state to the other. I am sure others out there have wanted to use their notebooks in ways like this. How have you all handled it? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 20:43:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from isds.duke.edu (davinci.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0161137BC0C for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:43:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sto@stat.Duke.EDU) Received: from cayenne.isds.duke.edu (cayenne.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.11]) by isds.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14068 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sto@localhost) by cayenne.isds.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09610 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:43:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:43:50 -0500 From: "Sean O'Connell" To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? Message-ID: <20000321234350.D9584@stat.Duke.EDU> Reply-To: "Sean O'Connell" Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu> <20000321233526.F85043@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000321233526.F85043@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>; from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:35:26PM -0500 X-Organization: Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All- Way back in October, Mike Smith sent the following email to -mobile with a personality script that manipulates the computers environment. I have not played with it, but I have held on to it. Maybe it would fit the bill. I have given the relevant headers below (the email is quite large since it contains the script and such): To: Andreas Klemm Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: profile manager for FreeBSD working in different environments ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:58:03 +0200." <19991021075803.A14781@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:56:46 -0700 From: Mike Smith Crist J. Clark stated: > On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:40:54PM +0000, Lars Eggert wrote: > > Hi, > > > > we're trying to come up with a way to configure our laptops so that we > > can easily switch between connected (i.e. we have a net) and > > disconnected (we have no net) states. This does not need to be > > automatic (would be nice though), having users type "net on|off" in a > > shell is perfectly fine. > > > > Looking at /etc, it seems that what we'd like requires non-trivial > > changes to the configuration; the laptops we'd like this for run a > > number of services that would need to be started/stopped: NIS, NFS > > (clients), inetd, sendmail, sshd, lpd, amd, named, etc. Some of these > > should be okay to leave running when disconnecting (e.g. inetd, sshd). > > Others (NIS, NFS, amd) must be stopped/restarted. > > > > Has anyone ever done this? How? Any pointers? This is for 4.0-RELEASE, > > btw. > > I am very interested in this too, and what I would like to do is even > more complicated. There are four basic network states I would have my > notebook in, > > 1) Ethernet on 192.168.x.0 LAN in my apartment > > 2) Ethernet on 192.168.y.0 LAN in my office > > 3) Dial-in, PPP, to the registered net in the office > > 4) Stand-alone > > Some states would preferably have NFS mounted volumes; some would even > want to run services like NIS or Samba. All networked states need to > have DNS handled from both the standpoint of different servers and > what the machine gives itself for the domain portion of the hostname. > > Right now, I need to get in there and do some serious tweaking as root > to get one setup to work after being in another. Ideally, I'd want to > make the computer figure out which net it is on during boot, but I > think this might not be the level to start at. My first goal is to > script or otherwise automate the changes root does to go from one > state to the other. > > I am sure others out there have wanted to use their notebooks in ways > like this. How have you all handled it? > -- > Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean O'Connell Email: sean@stat.Duke.EDU Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Phone: (919) 684-5419 Duke University Fax: (919) 684-8594 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 21:17:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop5.ptld.uswest.net (mail.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D236F37BFA4 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:17:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: (qmail 24943 invoked by alias); 22 Mar 2000 05:17:47 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 24902 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 05:17:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.cybcon.com) (63.227.213.90) by pop.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 05:17:43 -0000 Content-Length: 3103 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000321233526.F85043@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:17:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: bwoods2@uswest.net From: William Woods To: cjclark@home.com Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, Lars Eggert Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have done EXACTLY this....I use a few scripts called: 1) Worklan ifconfig ep0 inet 63.227.213.90 netmask 255.255.255.248 ifconfig ep0 up route add default 63.227.213.94 ifconfig -a 2) Homelan ifconfig ep0 inet 63.227.213.90 netmask 255.255.255.248 ifconfig ep0 up route add default 205.147.64.44 ifconfig -a 3) Dialup ppp -auto cybcon I put these scripts in /usr/local/sbin, made them executable. Now, when I boot I use the script I want depending on where I am. Also, need to be root to run these. On 22-Mar-00 Crist J. Clark wrote: > On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:40:54PM +0000, Lars Eggert wrote: >> Hi, >> >> we're trying to come up with a way to configure our laptops so that we >> can easily switch between connected (i.e. we have a net) and >> disconnected (we have no net) states. This does not need to be >> automatic (would be nice though), having users type "net on|off" in a >> shell is perfectly fine. >> >> Looking at /etc, it seems that what we'd like requires non-trivial >> changes to the configuration; the laptops we'd like this for run a >> number of services that would need to be started/stopped: NIS, NFS >> (clients), inetd, sendmail, sshd, lpd, amd, named, etc. Some of these >> should be okay to leave running when disconnecting (e.g. inetd, sshd). >> Others (NIS, NFS, amd) must be stopped/restarted. >> >> Has anyone ever done this? How? Any pointers? This is for 4.0-RELEASE, >> btw. > > I am very interested in this too, and what I would like to do is even > more complicated. There are four basic network states I would have my > notebook in, > > 1) Ethernet on 192.168.x.0 LAN in my apartment > > 2) Ethernet on 192.168.y.0 LAN in my office > > 3) Dial-in, PPP, to the registered net in the office > > 4) Stand-alone > > Some states would preferably have NFS mounted volumes; some would even > want to run services like NIS or Samba. All networked states need to > have DNS handled from both the standpoint of different servers and > what the machine gives itself for the domain portion of the hostname. > > Right now, I need to get in there and do some serious tweaking as root > to get one setup to work after being in another. Ideally, I'd want to > make the computer figure out which net it is on during boot, but I > think this might not be the level to start at. My first goal is to > script or otherwise automate the changes root does to go from one > state to the other. > > I am sure others out there have wanted to use their notebooks in ways > like this. How have you all handled it? > -- > Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: bwoods2@uswest.net Date: 21-Mar-00 Time: 21:13:36l ---------------------------------- NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 21:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from gta.com (gw.gta.com [199.120.225.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4302737C086 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lab@gta.com) Received: from gta.com (GTA internal mail system) by gta.com id AAA45046; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:41:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:41:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003220541.AAA45046@gta.com> From: Larry Baird To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 1) Ethernet on 192.168.x.0 LAN in my apartment > 2) Ethernet on 192.168.y.0 LAN in my office > 3) Dial-in, PPP, to the registered net in the office All three of the above are variations on the same theme. What I do for 1 and 2 is that I: 1) Use the office IP 192.168.y.0 has my primary number. 2) Add an IP alias of 192.168.x.0. When I move between locations it becomes a simple job of changing the default route and resolv.conf. I do this by hand, but it wouldn't take more than a few lines of shell script to semi-automate it. I havn't done much playing with step three. The PPP connection can I believe also change the default route and resolv.conf for you at startup. I havn't had to worry about the not on net case. Maybe somebody else has a nifty idea for this one. Larry -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Baird | http://www.gnatbox.com Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 22:10:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11BF37C0AB for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:10:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larse@ISI.EDU) Received: from [128.9.176.139] (ras39.isi.edu [128.9.176.139]) by boreas.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17506; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:10:32 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:10:35 -0800 Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? From: Lars Eggert To: , Cc: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org These are a beginning, they reconfigure the network link. However, enabling/disabling/reconfiguring other services (nfs, amd, sshd, xntpd, inetd, nis, etc) is more complicated - hence my question. I've found some packages for Linux (netenv and divine, no FreeBSD ports for both of them); however, what they do is probe the net at boot time to configure things - I'd like something that can reconfigure stuff on the fly without rebooting (in addition to doing it at boot time). > I have done EXACTLY this....I use a few scripts called: > > 1) Worklan > > ifconfig ep0 inet 63.227.213.90 netmask 255.255.255.248 > ifconfig ep0 up > route add default 63.227.213.94 > ifconfig -a > > > 2) Homelan > > ifconfig ep0 inet 63.227.213.90 netmask 255.255.255.248 > ifconfig ep0 up > route add default 205.147.64.44 > ifconfig -a > > > 3) Dialup > > ppp -auto cybcon > > > > I put these scripts in /usr/local/sbin, made them executable. Now, when I boot > I use the script I want depending on where I am. Also, need to be root to run > these. chown root && chmod a+s - be sure you understand the security implications of setting the sticky bit. Lars ____________________________________________________________________________ Lars Eggert Information Sciences Institute http://www.isi.edu/~larse/ University of Southern California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Mar 21 23:29: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BE237BC62 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id IAA10135; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:28:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id B4DB98869; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:05:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 08:05:50 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Cc: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? Message-ID: <20000322080550.A7746@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Lars Eggert References: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu>; from larse@isi.edu on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:40:54PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Lars Eggert: > Has anyone ever done this? How? Any pointers? This is for 4.0-RELEASE, > btw. I have a system where a few important files (/etc/rc.conf, /etc/hosts and some others) are symlinked to /etc/conf/current/. "current" is itself a symlink to the right directory in /etc/conf. I have a "switch-to" script that change the symlink to whatever config. was specified and run another script (on a per configuration basis) to run some commands (mainly to change interface(s) IP address(es) and restart Postfix). The structure is as follow /etc/conf/home/{params,hosts,resolv.conf,printcap,main.cf} /etc/conf/eec/{params,hosts,resolv.conf,printcap,main.cf} /etc/conf/current -> /etc/conf/ /etc/conf/bin/ifconfig and /etc/hosts -> /etc/current/hosts /etc/printcap -> /etc/current/printcap /etc/postfix/main.cf -> /etc/current/main.cf You see the picture. The 'ifconfig' script reads a few variables in "/etc/conf/current/params" and resets interfaces. 'ifconfig' is run by "switch-to" after changing the symlink to the right config. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #78: Sun Feb 27 15:32:39 CET 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 1: 3:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from trltech.demon.co.uk (trltech.demon.co.uk [194.222.7.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD7C37BC70 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:03:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Received: from rdls.sw.wan (rdls.sw.wan [10.1.0.2]) by trltech.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06557; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:03:07 GMT (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Received: from trltech.co.uk (localhost.sw.wan [127.0.0.1]) by rdls.sw.wan (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA49693; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:03:06 GMT (envelope-from rsmith@trltech.co.uk) Message-ID: <38D88C4A.A7BC31AF@trltech.co.uk> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:03:06 +0000 From: Richard Smith Reply-To: rdls@rdls.net Organization: http://www.trltech.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? References: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lars Eggert wrote: > > Hi, > > we're trying to come up with a way to configure our laptops so that we > can easily switch between connected (i.e. we have a net) and > disconnected (we have no net) states. This does not need to be > automatic (would be nice though), having users type "net on|off" in a > shell is perfectly fine. > > Looking at /etc, it seems that what we'd like requires non-trivial > changes to the configuration; the laptops we'd like this for run a > number of services that would need to be started/stopped: NIS, NFS > (clients), inetd, sendmail, sshd, lpd, amd, named, etc. Some of these > should be okay to leave running when disconnecting (e.g. inetd, sshd). > Others (NIS, NFS, amd) must be stopped/restarted. > > Has anyone ever done this? How? Any pointers? This is for 4.0-RELEASE, > btw. I have a reasonably straight forward method based on calling a setuid perl script from an fvwm2 menu. The script writes out a number of config files: rc.conf.location (included into rc.conf), resolve.conf, hosts.equiv and hosts. It then sets the hostname and calls pccard_ether, which configures the network using the new values saved in rc.conf.location (via rc.conf). I also write out an fvwmrc.location file, so that the network configuration and the desktop always reboots into the last set location. And, just as an added bonus, the screen saver puts the notebook into standby, but only if we're isolated and running on batteries. It would be reasonably easy to extend it to start/stop daemons as required. Isn't Freebsd wonderful :-) Richard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 6:17:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD67937B616 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:17:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (tun.AwfulHak.org [194.242.139.173]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA33087; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:17:10 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02725; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:17:04 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200003221417.OAA02725@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Lars Eggert Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? In-Reply-To: Message from Lars Eggert of "Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:40:54 GMT." <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2717.953734621.1@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:17:03 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > > we're trying to come up with a way to configure our laptops so that we > can easily switch between connected (i.e. we have a net) and > disconnected (we have no net) states. This does not need to be > automatic (would be nice though), having users type "net on|off" in a > shell is perfectly fine. > > Looking at /etc, it seems that what we'd like requires non-trivial > changes to the configuration; the laptops we'd like this for run a > number of services that would need to be started/stopped: NIS, NFS > (clients), inetd, sendmail, sshd, lpd, amd, named, etc. Some of these > should be okay to leave running when disconnecting (e.g. inetd, sshd). > Others (NIS, NFS, amd) must be stopped/restarted. > > Has anyone ever done this? How? Any pointers? This is for 4.0-RELEASE, > btw. > > Thanks, > Lars > > PS: I'm not currently subscribed, please cc me explicitly. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Lars Eggert Information Sciences Institute > http://www.isi.edu/~larse/ University of Southern California I use this script - called from /etc/pccard.conf (see below). This is a hack that's grown over the years but is now based entirely on dhcp. I've toyed with developing it into some sort of /etc/defaults/ type setup, and although it's a bit of a hack, I think the basic idea is reasonably sound -- keep ``configfile''.``profile'', and then have a setup script that symlinks ``configfile'' to these. #! /bin/sh if [ $(id -u) -ne 0 ] then echo "You've gotta be root" >&2 exit 1 fi case "$1" in *[0-9]) iface=$1 shift;; *) iface=ep0;; esac if ! ifconfig $iface >/dev/null 2>&1 then echo Plug the network card in first >&2 exit 1 fi homeip=172.16.0.12 homemask=0xffffff00 homebits=24 homedefault=172.16.0.1 homeresolv="search lan.Awfulhak.org vm.Awfulhak.org" #dbip=10.128.148.206 # dblon01ra1.wks.uk.deuba.com dbip=10.128.* dbmask=0xffffff00 dbbits=24 dbdefault=10.128.148.250 dbresolv="search lan.Awfulhak.org vm.Awfulhak.org wks.uk.deuba.com mkdc srv.uk.deuba.com" #dbip=10.141.32.137 #dblon01ra1 #dbip=10.141.32.176 #unknown1835 #dbmask=0xfffffc00 #dbbits=22 #dbdefault=10.141.35.250 dpdip=10.10.10.22 dpdmask=0xffffff00 dpdbits=24 dpddefault=10.10.10.1 dpdresolv="search lan.Awfulhak.org vm.Awfulhak.org" hostname=`hostname -s` if [ $# -eq 0 ] then #ifconfig $iface inet $homeip netmask $homemask #ping -c1 $homedefault && exec $0 home #ifconfig $iface inet $dbip netmask $dbmask #ping -c1 $dbdefault && exec $0 db #ifconfig $iface inet $dpdip netmask $dpdmask #ping -c1 $dpddefault && exec $0 dpd #logger -s "Dunno where I am, default to dhclient !" killall dhclient if ! /sbin/dhclient $iface then logger -s "Network not configured - dhclient failed $?" exit 1 fi ip=`ifconfig $iface | sed -n 's/.*inet \([^ ]*\) .*/\1/p'` rm -f /usr/local/etc/proxy.cfg case "$ip" in $dbip) set -- db router=`netstat -rn | fgrep default | awk '{print $2;}'` route add 10.0/8 $router route add 192.168.0.0/16 $router route delete default rdate oasysdev1 /usr/local/bin/tcpchat oasysdev2 666 "" "hak $ip" { echo export FTP_PROXY=10.141.253.147:8080 echo export HTTP_PROXY=10.141.253.147:8080 echo export ftp_proxy=ftp://10.141.253.147:8080/ echo export http_proxy=http://10.141.253.147:8080/ # Known proxies: # 10.141.253.146:8080 # 10.141.253.147:8080 # 10.140.201.33:8080 # 10.140.201.34:8080 } >/usr/local/etc/proxy.cfg ;; $homeip) set -- home rdate gate { echo export FTP_PROXY=172.16.0.1:3128 echo export HTTP_PROXY=172.16.0.1:3128 echo export ftp_proxy=ftp://172.16.0.1:3128/ echo export http_proxy=http://172.16.0.1:3128/ } >/usr/local/etc/proxy.cfg;; $dpdip) set -- dpd;; *) exit 0;; esac elif [ ."$1" = .home -o ."$1" = .homedb ] then ip=$homeip mask=$homemask bits=$homebits default=$homedefault rwhod=-p #ns1=127.0.0.1 #ns2=172.16.0.1 #ns3=172.16.0.5 elif [ ."$1" = .db ] then ip=$dbip mask=$dbmask bits=$dbbits default=$dbdefault rwhod=-l #ns1=10.141.32.84 # Mark #ns2=10.140.12.10 # sp2icws.mkdc #ns3=10.140.12.11 # sp01-e0.mkdc # HTTP_PROXY=interproxy.srv.uk.deuba.com:80 elif [ ."$1" = .dpd ] then ip=$dpdip mask=$dpdmask bits=$dpdbits default=$dpddefault rwhod=-p else echo "Home or db ?" >&2 exit 1 fi if [ -n "$default" ] then ifconfig $iface inet $ip netmask $mask route delete default >/dev/null 2>&1 route -n flush >/dev/null 2>&1 route add default $default fi echo -n Starting eval echo \$${1}resolv >/etc/resolv.conf echo nameserver 127.0.0.1 >>/etc/resolv.conf ln -fs inetd.conf.$1 /etc/inetd.conf ln -fs named.conf.$1 /etc/namedb/named.conf ln -fs smb.conf.$1 /usr/local/etc/smb.conf ln -fs socks5.conf.$1 /usr/local/etc/socks5.conf ln -fs printcap.$1 /etc/printcap ln -fs $hostname.$1.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf ln -fs hosts.allow.$1 /etc/hosts.allow killall smbd nmbd socks5 rwhod named sendmail inetd httpd 2>/dev/null . /etc/defaults/rc.conf /usr/sbin/inetd $inetd_flags /usr/sbin/sendmail $sendmail_flags ${named_program:-/usr/sbin/named} $named_flags /usr/local/bin/socks5 /usr/sbin/rwhod $rwhod test -s /usr/local/arpwatch/arp.dat || cp /usr/local/arpwatch/arp.dat- /usr/local/arpwatch/arp.dat /usr/local/sbin/arpwatch -i $iface && echo -n ' arpwatch' #test $1 = home && /usr/sbin/timed -M test $1 = home && su -l news >/dev/null 2>&1 & /usr/local/etc/rc.d/samba.sh echo logger -s "Network configured for $1" -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 6:40:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freeride.com (mail.freeride.com [64.14.46.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF93237B5F6 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@freeride.com) Received: from tryder ([216.33.50.24]) by mail.freeride.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA23102; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:39:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001601bf940b$df5676c0$380aa8c0@tryder.freeride.com> From: "Tim Ryder" To: "Soren Schmidt" , "Tim Ryder" , Cc: Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modem Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:35:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My cdrom is bootable through my bios, it I can boot off the freebsd4.0 iso snapshot will it install correctly. Tim Ryder -----Original Message----- From: Soren Schmidt To: Tim Ryder Cc: jawse@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 4:14 AM Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modem >It seems Tim Ryder wrote: >> Hey would you have any info on setting up the sony cd51 pcmcia cdrom drive >> on it. It should be located at ide=0x180-,0x386 on linux, but not sure how >> to tell it that on freebsd. > >Hmm, if you run 4.0 or -current there is support for ata pccard thingies, >evt ask warner how to set it up I just did the ata end :) > >-Søren > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 6:58:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B0D37C14A for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:58:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5EE3C1AD; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:58:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:58:11 -0800 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: XJEM3288 Message-ID: <20000322065811.A47986@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.4-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (94% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 6:45AM up 6 days, 20:47, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well my wifes old laptop finally bit the dust. My Laptop only has a Lucent Winmodem at the moment which is not supported. I grabbed the XJEM3288 out of the old laptop to see if I could get it running under FreeBSD 4.0. ( I would love one less reason to make this have to boot into win98i ). Here is what I have added to the pccard.conf file ( Got the information from searching at htp://www.google.vom/bsd with the search criteria being xjem3288 ) # Megahertz XJEM3288 (as modem) # card "MEGAHERTZ" "CC/XJEM3288" # config auto "sio2" ? config 0x2d "sio2" pio insert logger -t pccard:$device -s Megahertz CC/XJEM3288 inserted remove logger -t pccard:$device -s Megahertz CC/XJEM3288 removed and the KERNEL has: # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support device card device pcic0 at isa? irq 11 port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 device pcic1 at isa? irq 11 port 0x3e2 iomem 0xd4000 disable # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 device sio2 Here is what I get on boot-up Mar 22 06:31:30 mental pccardd[44]: No card in database for "MEGAHERTZ"("CC/XJEM 3288") Mar 22 06:31:30 mental pccardd[44]: pccardd started TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd rather pay for my freedom than live in a bitmapped, pop-up-happy dungeon like NT. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 7: 9:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ntua.gr (achilles.noc.ntua.gr [147.102.222.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63AB37BE31 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from past@netmode.ntua.gr) Received: from netmode.ece.ntua.gr (dolly.netmode.ece.ntua.gr [147.102.13.10]) by ntua.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17024; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:09:34 +0200 (EET) Received: from adis (adis.netmode.ece.ntua.gr [147.102.13.7]) by netmode.ece.ntua.gr (Postfix) with SMTP id 3AEE185C3; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:01:18 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <030901bf9411$00dbe870$070d6693@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> From: "Panagiotis Astithas" To: "Ron Rosson" , References: <20000322065811.A47986@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Subject: Re: XJEM3288 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:12:13 +0200 Organization: NETMODE-NTUA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > # Megahertz XJEM3288 (as modem) > # card "MEGAHERTZ" "CC/XJEM3288" I think you should uncomment the above line. > # config auto "sio2" ? > config 0x2d "sio2" pio > insert logger -t pccard:$device -s Megahertz CC/XJEM3288 inserted > remove logger -t pccard:$device -s Megahertz CC/XJEM3288 removed -past To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 7:31:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EE437BDFB for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4BC931A9; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:31:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:31:24 -0800 From: Ron Rosson To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XJEM3288 Message-ID: <20000322073124.H47986@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.4-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (94% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 7:31AM up 6 days, 21:32, 2 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.04, 0.06 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Anne Marcel Roorda was heard blurting out: > Hi, > > It would probably help if you remove the '#' from the card > definition :) > > - marcel That was a cut and paste error from VIM ;-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------- Science is the game we play with God to find out what His rules are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 9:20:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F30637B99A for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from argon.blackdawn.com (deepspace9.dcds.edu [207.231.151.2]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12879; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by argon.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD9C9191B; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:19:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:19:15 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Lars Eggert Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? Message-ID: <20000322121915.A372@argon.blackdawn.com> References: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu>; from larse@isi.edu on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:40:54PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 06:40:54PM +0000, Lars Eggert wrote: > we're trying to come up with a way to configure our laptops so that we > can easily switch between connected (i.e. we have a net) and > disconnected (we have no net) states. This does not need to be > automatic (would be nice though), having users type "net on|off" in a > shell is perfectly fine. > > Looking at /etc, it seems that what we'd like requires non-trivial > changes to the configuration; the laptops we'd like this for run a > number of services that would need to be started/stopped: NIS, NFS > (clients), inetd, sendmail, sshd, lpd, amd, named, etc. Some of these > should be okay to leave running when disconnecting (e.g. inetd, sshd). > Others (NIS, NFS, amd) must be stopped/restarted. > > Has anyone ever done this? How? Any pointers? This is for 4.0-RELEASE, > btw. The university you're sending mail from (isi.edu) has software for this purpose (well, sort of). ISI's DHCP client (dhclient) is good for when you connect to a network. Then a small shell script to ifconfig down the interface will do the "off" part of the job. If you insist on static routes (and/or static configuration), you can stick with hardcoding such things in said shell script. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 9:43:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hbo.isi.edu (hbo.isi.edu [128.9.160.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B267C37B95D for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larse@hbo.isi.edu) Received: (from larse@localhost) by hbo.isi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA45790; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:43:04 GMT (envelope-from larse) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14552.38312.394047.26756@hbo.isi.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:43:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Lars Eggert To: andrews@technologist.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: switching between connected/disconnected operation? In-Reply-To: <20000322121915.A372@argon.blackdawn.com> References: <14551.49718.603919.823550@hbo.isi.edu> <20000322121915.A372@argon.blackdawn.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org will> The university you're sending mail from (isi.edu) has software will> for this purpose (well, sort of). ISI's DHCP client (dhclient) will> is good for when you connect to a network. Then a small shell will> script to ifconfig down the interface will do the "off" part will> of the job. DHCP is fine to configure your interfaces dynamically, but has two issues: 1. you need to run a DHCP server on all locations 2. (re)configuring named, nis, nfs, etc. requires hacking scripts (as you said) Maybe I should elaborate on my initial question: I know the config switcher we'd like can be implemented by hacking any number of scripts under /etc, and there are different ways to go about this. I was wondering if anyone had done such a thing before, to avoid duplicate effort. Since quite a few people seem to be interested in this, maybe once a successful solution is found, it should make it into -current? Lars ________________________________________________________________________ Lars Eggert Information Sciences Institute http://www.isi.edu/~larse/ University of Southern California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 11:28:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD9737BB03 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28849; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA32949; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:27:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003221927.MAA32949@harmony.village.org> To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Subject: Re: Looking for laptops Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:00:43 +0900." <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> References: <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> <200003150751.AAA85374@harmony.village.org> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:27:55 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> "Daniel C. Sobral" writes: : Mmmmm... what exactly do you mean by "hostility", then? :-) I'm thinking something like the Z505's current problems. Some of them will lock up when the pccard is removed. Many models don't work well when suspend/resume comes into play. I think that I have enough of the 486 class machines on the way. I'm still looking for the newer machines to do the testing on. Too bad the laptops are so expensive, or I'd just buy a couple. It isn't like the pccards which are cheap enough that I can just go get 2 or 3 when I see new ones and test them out. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 18:34: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E198437BA04 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:34:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04020 for mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:34:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:34:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0 a severe disappointment Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Based on comments I'd seen here, I upgraded my laptop to 4.0-RELEASE today. This was a huge mistake. After having wiped out my 2.2.8 configuration, I am now left with something that cannot do networking I/O reliably. I have had an "scp -r" stuck in "- stalled -" for about five minutes now -- when it is about three feet away from the system in question. I downgraded from 2.2.8. The ethernet card is a 3Com EtherLink III; it identifies itself as a stock 3c589, and is recognized for "ep0". I have tried letting pccardd pick the IRQ, and I have set it manually. In no case has any IRQ worked properly. Based on the behaviour, however, it is pretty certain to be an IRQ issue. The part from "pccardc dumpcis" that appears relevent is: Card decodes 18 address lines, full 8/16 Bit I/O IRQ modes: Level, Pulse IRQs: IOCK 1 4 5 6 8 10 11 12 14 I am, once again, trying irq 11, and "-i 11" for pccardd. (I've now rebooted, because, unlike 2.2.8, pccardd won't recognize my removing the card from the machine.) No go;it's now stalled in exactly the same place on an 'scp -r'. (That, incidently, makes me wonder if it's an IRQ problem, or something else. I can log into it over the net, ping it, ping _out_ from it, and it still lives. But for getting my data back over, the machine is dead. No, actually, if I kill it and start it again, it goes further. But then still dies.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 19:23:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7034137B97C for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24213; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:24:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Sean Eric Fagan Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:34:04 PST." <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:24:06 -0800 Message-ID: <24210.953781846@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Based on comments I'd seen here, I upgraded my laptop to 4.0-RELEASE today. Well, I can't obviously say that 4.0 works great on everyone's laptop since such is clearly not the case for you. All I can say is that it's a definite improvement as far as my Sony VAIO laptop is concerned; I now have working networking, sound and my pccard modem even works now. My point? YMMV! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 19:36:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859EC37BA28 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:36:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from evenson@panix.com) Received: from panix6.panix.com (panix6.panix.com [166.84.0.231]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56A030EC4 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from evenson@localhost) by panix6.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixN1.0) id WAA07067; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:34:45 -0500 (EST) To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment References: <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Mark Evenson Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:34:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: Sean Eric Fagan's message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:34:04 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Eric Fagan writes: > Based on comments I'd seen here, I upgraded my laptop to 4.0-RELEASE today. [...] Same here, but I had a better experience with a ThinkPad 570. My ether card is a 3c574TX, which after I told the 4.0-RELEASE boot kernel to hook it at IRQ11 instead of IRQ10, seems to work like a champ. I found this combination on blind chance: otherwise I would probably be still cursing my luck. I am very happy to have notebook support integrated with the main BSD tree. As much as I love the PAO crew for everything they have done, it was very schizoid to say the least to try to follow their patches and the main tree. Maybe I am just not getting any younger. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 20:21:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0087B37C33C for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12207; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:21:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:21:08 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <200003230421.UAA12207@kithrup.com> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I am very happy to have notebook support integrated with the main BSD >tree. As much as I love the PAO crew for everything they have done, it was >very schizoid to say the least to try to follow their patches and the main >tree. Maybe I am just not getting any younger. Well, I thought I'd point out the _positive_ points of the install (there were some :)). First, yes, having it find my PCMCIA ethernet card with no extra work, and then figure out a DHCP address, was _very_ nice. When I rebooted, it also managed to do the same, which also made me very happy. Especially when I got home, and it picked up DHCP information from the LAN there. (I still vividly remember the pain I had getting DHCP working in the first place, under 2.2.8.) The bad points I've noticed so far are: First, it doesn't notice when I remove the pcmcia card. Something is broken here. Second, it takes longer to boot these days. When combined with the above, it makes it difficult to test changes to pccard.conf. The main problem I was having, I still assume is due to 4.0, but I'm going to try something else, now that I am home. It's _possible_ that it was one of the ethernet switches at work, or someone futzing with the wires with me not being aware of it, or the 3.4 system with the fxp0 card that I was trying to copy stuff from. We'll see -- any information I find out will be quickly passed along :). And, now that I have fvwm and my dot files copied over, the laptop looks mostly the same as it did before, which, of course, was my goal :). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 21:44:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B2E37B623 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:44:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31801; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:43:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA37751; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:43:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230543.WAA37751@harmony.village.org> To: Ron Rosson Subject: Re: XJEM3288 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:58:11 PST." <20000322065811.A47986@lunatic.oneinsane.net> References: <20000322065811.A47986@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:43:58 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you kill and restart pccardd? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 21:48:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3774A37C2BA for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:48:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31829; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:48:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA37803; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:48:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230548.WAA37803@harmony.village.org> To: Sean Eric Fagan Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:21:08 PST." <200003230421.UAA12207@kithrup.com> References: <200003230421.UAA12207@kithrup.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:48:47 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003230421.UAA12207@kithrup.com> Sean Eric Fagan writes: : First, it doesn't notice when I remove the pcmcia card. Something is broken : here. Yes. You can use polling mode by removing irq XX from the config line in your kernel. Also, the pcic parts in most laptops don't share irqs with other devices (there are some pci exceptions, but that usually isn't the problem) and laptops tend to have a lot of devices built into them. : Second, it takes longer to boot these days. When combined with the above, it : makes it difficult to test changes to pccard.conf. You'll not fix the above problem by playing with pccard.conf. It is almost certainly that the irq line that you've configured the pcic to is a bad one to use. : The main problem I was having, I still assume is due to 4.0, but I'm going to : try something else, now that I am home. It's _possible_ that it was one of : the ethernet switches at work, or someone futzing with the wires with me not : being aware of it, or the 3.4 system with the fxp0 card that I was trying to : copy stuff from. We'll see -- any information I find out will be quickly : passed along :). I agree that it likely is the cause. Your first post said that you coudln't get the network card to have any speed at all. Is that still the case? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 21:51:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADA537B5C2 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:51:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31841; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:51:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA37833; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:51:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230551.WAA37833@harmony.village.org> To: Sean Eric Fagan Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:34:04 PST." <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> References: <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:51:22 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> Sean Eric Fagan writes: : IRQs: IOCK 1 4 5 6 8 10 11 12 14 These are just a hint to the bios... : I am, once again, trying irq 11, and "-i 11" for pccardd. (I've now rebooted, : because, unlike 2.2.8, pccardd won't recognize my removing the card from the : machine.) No go;it's now stalled in exactly the same place on an 'scp -r'. : (That, incidently, makes me wonder if it's an IRQ problem, or something else. : I can log into it over the net, ping it, ping _out_ from it, and it still : lives. But for getting my data back over, the machine is dead. No, actually, : if I kill it and start it again, it goes further. But then still dies.) Does 2.2.8 report the resources that it used for the pcic management irq and the pccard irq? The defaults are sufficiently vague and this is a highly tweakable area, in need of vast improvement if you ask me, so it may be you lost information needed to make your machine run. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 21:52:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A643837C391 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:52:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31858; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA37871; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:52:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230552.WAA37871@harmony.village.org> To: robert@braingarage.com Subject: Re: 4.0-R install PCMCIA problems with NDC Ethernet card Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:49:44 PST." <200003212049.MAA01748@smartie.braingarage.com> References: <200003212049.MAA01748@smartie.braingarage.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:52:31 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003212049.MAA01748@smartie.braingarage.com> robert bowen writes: : I upgraded my system to 4.0 over the weekend, and while : I was doing it I though to try out the new install. When : the PCMCIA configure menu came up, I selected the choice : that ignores irq5 - but it didn't. pccardd kept trying : to put my card at irq5, and of course the driver timed : out. I tried the other two choices (ignore 10/11 and : ignore 11) and none of them worked. In the end I booted : DOS and ftp'd the files. I installed from the DOS : partition just fine, and then edited pccard.conf.sample : to exclude irq5. The /etc/defaults/rc.conf started : pccardd with -i 5 and -i 10, but it still wanted to : attach the card at irq5. I set it up in /etc/rc.conf to : start with no flags and use the newly-modified : pccard.conf file and it works great. Any ideas on why : this could have been? No. I've not had the bandwidth to deal with the sysinstall issue wrt installing via a pccard. All I can say is that it sounds strange. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 22:28:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7769437B574 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21470; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:28:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:28:40 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <200003230628.WAA21470@kithrup.com> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-Reply-To: <200003230548.WAA37803.kithrup.freebsd.mobile@harmony.village.org> References: <200003230421.UAA12207@kithrup.com> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To eat some well-deserved crow, now: Thanks to Warner and Sean O'Connell, I now have: working sound, wokring suspend, working PCMCIA removal! I am still not sure about the networking, but, as I said, there are some other possibilities -- however, I copied about 200Mbytes over the ethernet while at home, and did not have a problem. (As an aside, I _hope_ this means that one of the switches at work is broken; if it's the 3.4+fxp system, I'm in serious trouble.) I'm still fighting with netscape right now (did I need to get an aout compatability distribution set?), but that's minor. Sean and Warner are due a nice sampler plate at a local microbrewery if either of them is in my area :). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 22:34:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E015E37C412 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:34:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16258; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:34:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00665; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:34:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:34:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230634.XAA00665@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Sean Eric Fagan , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-Reply-To: <24210.953781846@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> <24210.953781846@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Based on comments I'd seen here, I upgraded my laptop to 4.0-RELEASE today. > > Well, I can't obviously say that 4.0 works great on everyone's laptop > since such is clearly not the case for you. All I can say is that > it's a definite improvement as far as my Sony VAIO laptop is > concerned; I now have working networking, sound and my pccard modem > even works now. My point? YMMV! Wow! That's great, except that if I were to run 4.0 on my box (ThinkPad 600E), I'd lose sound, and I'd have to futz with network and modem to get it working. And, it works great under 2.2.8. My how we've progressed. :) :) :) Nate ps. This is *NOT* a shot at Warner, who has worked his tail off after I bailed and let things go idle in 3.X. He's got a big job ahead of him, and the numbers of changes throughout the system (ie; newbus & pcm) have made it difficult for laptop users to have usable systems, unfortunately. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 22:40:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9F637B557 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16307; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:39:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00687; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:39:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:39:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230639.XAA00687@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Sean Eric Fagan Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-Reply-To: <200003230421.UAA12207@kithrup.com> References: <200003230421.UAA12207@kithrup.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The bad points I've noticed so far are: > > First, it doesn't notice when I remove the pcmcia card. Something is broken > here. Warner accidentally broke polling mode. I think he fixed it later. > Second, it takes longer to boot these days. When combined with the > above, it makes it difficult to test changes to pccard.conf. You can kill/restart pccardd. However, the 'long' bootup time is a good thing, in that the cards are now completely configured before the system continues on. Before, they just 'showed up' whenever, so if you had network settings and such the system went on w/out knowing it was on the network. Yes, it's slower, but it's safer. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 23: 0:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31BC37C30E for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:00:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 58F04195; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:00:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:00:40 -0800 From: Ron Rosson To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XJEM3288 Message-ID: <20000322230040.A1091@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson References: <20000322065811.A47986@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <200003230543.WAA37751@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003230543.WAA37751@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:43:58PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.4-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (90% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 10:55PM up 48 mins, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Warner Losh was heard blurting out: > Did you kill and restart pccardd? > > Warner This and making the change to the pccard.conf.sample did it as well. Here is a diff of what I added to the file: insane-mental> diff -u pccard.conf.sample.orig pccard.conf.sample --- pccard.conf.sample.orig Wed Mar 8 05:52:49 2000 +++ pccard.conf.sample Wed Mar 22 22:53:37 2000 @@ -412,6 +412,12 @@ insert logger -t pccard:$device -s Megahertz XJ4336 inserted remove logger -t pccard:$device -s Megahertz XJ4336 removed +# Megahertz XJEM3288 (as modem) +card "MEGAHERTZ" "CC/XJEM3288" + config auto "sio2" ? + insert logger -t pccard:$device -s Megahertz CC/XJEM3288 inserted + remove logger -t pccard:$device -s Megahertz CC/XJEM3288 removed + # Megahertz XJEM1336 (as modem) card "MEGAHERTZ" "CC/XJEM3336" config auto "sio2" ? When I test it in minicom it is lsow to respond. But Hey I am closer. Any more clues? TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------- I plead contemporary insanity To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 23:28:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD0237C39F for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:28:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32281; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:28:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA38774; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:28:10 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230728.AAA38774@harmony.village.org> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Sean Eric Fagan , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:34:04 MST." <200003230634.XAA00665@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <200003230634.XAA00665@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> <24210.953781846@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:28:10 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003230634.XAA00665@nomad.yogotech.com> Nate Williams writes: : ps. This is *NOT* a shot at Warner, who has worked his tail off after I : bailed and let things go idle in 3.X. He's got a big job ahead of him, : and the numbers of changes throughout the system (ie; newbus & pcm) have : made it difficult for laptop users to have usable systems, unfortunately. Just tryiing to keep on top of the old pccard code and make some mild progress on the new stuff is about all I have time for :-(. Trying to keep up with sound is really a pita. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 23:29:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2FB37BA5B for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:29:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA32304; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA38813; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:29:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230729.AAA38813@harmony.village.org> To: Ron Rosson Subject: Re: XJEM3288 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:00:40 PST." <20000322230040.A1091@lunatic.oneinsane.net> References: <20000322230040.A1091@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <20000322065811.A47986@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <200003230543.WAA37751@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:29:11 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20000322230040.A1091@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Ron Rosson writes: : When I test it in minicom it is lsow to respond. But Hey I am closer. : : Any more clues? Classic "bad interrupt" problem. Try other irqs. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 23:31:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop5.ptld.uswest.net (mail.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5424337BE24 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:31:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: (qmail 51631 invoked by alias); 23 Mar 2000 07:31:12 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 51614 invoked by uid 0); 23 Mar 2000 07:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.cybcon.com) (63.227.213.90) by pop.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 07:31:11 -0000 Content-Length: 1548 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200003230634.XAA00665@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:31:09 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: bwoods2@uswest.net From: William Woods To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, Sean Eric Fagan , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Interesting, I have a 600E and its great with network and modem (both pcmcia) On 23-Mar-00 Nate Williams wrote: >> > Based on comments I'd seen here, I upgraded my laptop to 4.0-RELEASE >> > today. >> >> Well, I can't obviously say that 4.0 works great on everyone's laptop >> since such is clearly not the case for you. All I can say is that >> it's a definite improvement as far as my Sony VAIO laptop is >> concerned; I now have working networking, sound and my pccard modem >> even works now. My point? YMMV! > > Wow! That's great, except that if I were to run 4.0 on my box (ThinkPad > 600E), I'd lose sound, and I'd have to futz with network and modem to > get it working. > > And, it works great under 2.2.8. My how we've progressed. :) :) :) > > > > Nate > > ps. This is *NOT* a shot at Warner, who has worked his tail off after I > bailed and let things go idle in 3.X. He's got a big job ahead of him, > and the numbers of changes throughout the system (ie; newbus & pcm) have > made it difficult for laptop users to have usable systems, unfortunately. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: bwoods2@uswest.net Date: 22-Mar-00 Time: 23:30:19l ---------------------------------- NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Mar 22 23:41:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C048137BE9A for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:41:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id IAA20907 for mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:41:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 768758869; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:38:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:38:55 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for laptops Message-ID: <20000323073855.A17764@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> <200003150751.AAA85374@harmony.village.org> <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> <200003221927.MAA32949@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003221927.MAA32949@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 12:27:55PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Warner Losh: > I'm thinking something like the Z505's current problems. Some of them > will lock up when the pccard is removed. Many models don't work well > when suspend/resume comes into play. I'm also getting hangs when I suspend the machine with the pccard modem inserted... It doesn't go into DDB, it just hangs. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #78: Sun Feb 27 15:32:39 CET 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 0:14: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smartie.braingarage.com (m206-51.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.206.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C39B37BDF0 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:13:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by smartie.braingarage.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02526; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: robert bowen Message-Id: <200003230813.AAA02526@smartie.braingarage.com> X-Authentication-Warning: smartie.braingarage.com: nobody set sender to robert@braingarage.com using -f To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Reply-To: robert@braingarage.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 Subject: polling vs irq for pcic Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I first set up my 4.0 machine, I installed with the default kernel and it didn't notice when the card was removed. I have seen a few posts on this subject, so I recompiled the kernel with only "device pcic0" and nothing else. Now it works great. My question is this - are there any advantages/disadvantages to compiling it like this? What difference does it make to the kernel whether there is an irq set in the config file? Thanks as usual for the info... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 0:31:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC2037B934 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:31:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17220; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:31:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01265; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:31:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:31:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230831.BAA01265@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: robert@braingarage.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: polling vs irq for pcic In-Reply-To: <200003230813.AAA02526@smartie.braingarage.com> References: <200003230813.AAA02526@smartie.braingarage.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > When I first set up my 4.0 machine, I installed with the > default kernel and it didn't notice when the card was > removed. I have seen a few posts on this subject, so I > recompiled the kernel with only "device pcic0" and > nothing else. Now it works great. My question is this - > are there any advantages/disadvantages to compiling it > like this? Well, there is the obvious advantage in that it works. Another advantage is that you don't 'waste' an precious IRQ resource, which are rather hard to come by on newer laptops. Now, the disadvantages are that 'hot' card insertion/removal is *much* more likely to hang your system. If you don't hot-swap your cards much, or you do it in a very 'safe' manner, then polling (no IRQ assigned) is pretty safe. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 0:54:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C3C37B60A for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:54:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17409; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01362; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:54:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003230854.BAA01362@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Robert Bowen Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: polling vs irq for pcic In-Reply-To: <38D9DA60.AB99C8B3@braingarage.com> References: <200003230813.AAA02526@smartie.braingarage.com> <200003230831.BAA01265@nomad.yogotech.com> <38D9DA60.AB99C8B3@braingarage.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > That makes it much clearer. What else could I try to get it to use an irq > instead? Don't know. Do you really need one? Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 1:34:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525AB37B58E for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:34:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (tun.AwfulHak.org [194.242.139.173]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA78676; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:34:48 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00509; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:30:03 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200003230830.IAA00509@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Warner Losh Cc: Sean Eric Fagan , mobile@freebsd.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-Reply-To: Message from Warner Losh of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:51:22 MST." <200003230551.WAA37833@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:30:03 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In message <200003230234.SAA04020@kithrup.com> Sean Eric Fagan writes: > : IRQs: IOCK 1 4 5 6 8 10 11 12 14 > > These are just a hint to the bios... > > : I am, once again, trying irq 11, and "-i 11" for pccardd. (I've now rebooted, > : because, unlike 2.2.8, pccardd won't recognize my removing the card from the > : machine.) No go;it's now stalled in exactly the same place on an 'scp -r'. > : (That, incidently, makes me wonder if it's an IRQ problem, or something else. > : I can log into it over the net, ping it, ping _out_ from it, and it still > : lives. But for getting my data back over, the machine is dead. No, actually, > : if I kill it and start it again, it goes further. But then still dies.) > > Does 2.2.8 report the resources that it used for the pcic management > irq and the pccard irq? The defaults are sufficiently vague and this > is a highly tweakable area, in need of vast improvement if you ask me, > so it may be you lost information needed to make your machine run. Indeed. FWIW, a friends laptop has a strange allergy to irq 10.... *any* pccard that's given irq 10 will just not work (modem's one character behind etc), as if the controller itself couldn't handle it. In fact, if you give the controller irq 10, nothing works ! Might it be the case that the IRQs reported as supported by the card *are* really supported, but that controllers have limited IRQ support too ? > Warner -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 3:45:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88ED137C427 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p34-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.99]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id UAA14466; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:44:47 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38D9F9A3.FA09AD3A@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:01:55 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Sean Eric Fagan , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment References: <200003230421.UAA12207@kithrup.com> <200003230639.XAA00687@nomad.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > > You can kill/restart pccardd. However, the 'long' bootup time is a good > thing, in that the cards are now completely configured before the system > continues on. Before, they just 'showed up' whenever, so if you had > network settings and such the system went on w/out knowing it was on the > network. Mmmmm... I wonder how can I change the rc so this applies to my aic too... -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@zurichgnomes.bsdconspiracy.net One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 5:49:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from roam.psg.com (roam.psg.com [147.28.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2349237B5E9 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:49:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by roam.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12Y7z9-0000JQ-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:49:15 +0900 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: usb on vaio 505tx Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:49:15 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org note the uhci0: rev 0x01 int d irq 255 on pci0.7.2 create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 15 usb0: could not map irq Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #0: Thu Mar 23 19:15:08 JST 2000 root@roam.psg.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ROAM Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium/P55C (quarter-micron) (298.44-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x582 Stepping = 2 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 127660032 (124668K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02b8000. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x01 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1 uhci0: rev 0x01 int d irq 255 on pci0.7.2 create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 15 usb0: could not map irq chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.3 vga0: rev 0x01 int a irq 9 on pci0.8.0 pcic0: rev 0x00 int a irq 255 on pci0.10.0 RL5C4XX PCI Config Reg: [CSC isa irq] Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> wi0 not found atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 irq 12 on isa psm0: model VersaPad, device ID 0 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A pcm1 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa ESS1879 (rev 11, native mode) fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 6194MB (12685680 sectors), 13424 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ep0 not found at 0x300 wlp0 not found at 0x300 awi0 not found at 0x300 pcic0 at 0x3e0-0x3e1 irq 11 on isa PC-Card ctlr(0) Ricoh RL5C475/476 [CardBus bridge mode] (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) pcic0: slot 0 controller I/O address 0x3e0 vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0 on isa apm: found APM BIOS version 1.2 Initializing PC-card drivers: awi ep wi wlp sio wdc Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug changing root device to wd0s2a cmd ntpd pid 139 tried to use non-present sched_get_priority_max cmd ntpd pid 139 tried to use non-present sched_setscheduler # USB support # UHCI controller controller uhci0 # OHCI controller controller ohci0 # General USB code (mandatory for USB) controller usb0 # # Generic USB device driver device ugen0 # Human Interface Device (anything with buttons and dials) device uhid0 # USB keyboard device ukbd0 # USB printer device ulpt0 # USB mouse device ums0 # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 6:23:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from main.avias.com (avias-gw.corbina.net [195.14.40.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1F837B5EF for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:23:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from juriy@avias.com) Received: from tb.avias.com (tb.avias.com [195.14.38.76]) by main.avias.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA86312 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:23:25 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from juriy@avias.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:23:51 +0300 (MSK) From: Juriy Goloveshkin X-Sender: juriy@localhost To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: pcmcia CDROM pscd-740 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have pcmcia cdrom. pscd-740. I don't know about this device something else. In windows98 cdrom works without any special drivers(ony with standart IDE controller driver and standart cdrom driver. I found description of this drive - http://www.qs.com.tw/produce2.htm I has solved to try it under FreeBSD. I add entery in pccard.conf. the kernel says about this cdrom following: ------------- FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #16: Thu Mar 23 16:18:50 MSK 2000 root@li.avias.com:/usr/local/src/sys/compile/LI pcic-pci0: mem 0xfff00000-0xfff00fff at device 19.0 on pci0 pcic-pci1: mem 0xfff01000-0xfff01fff at device 19.1 on pci0 pcic0: at port 0x3e0-0x3e1 on isa0 pcic0: Polling mode pccard0: on pcic0 pccard1: on pcic0 pccard: card inserted, slot 0 pcic: I/O win 0 flags 15 170-177 pcic: I/O win 0 flags 5 170-177 pcic: I/O win 0 flags 15 170-177 pcic: I/O win 1 flags 15 376-376 ata1: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0x0000 ata1: mask=01 status0=00 status1=ff ata1: mask=01 status0=00 status1=ff ata1: devices = 0x4 ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 3 slot 0 on pccard0 ata1-master: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=-1 dmaflag=1 acd0: CDROM drive at ata1 as master acd0: read 4125KB/s (4125KB/s), 128KB buffer, BIOSPIO acd0: Reads: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA stream, packet acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked ------------------ It looks fine. BUT. ANY operations with drive(mount,cdcontrol) fall kernel. why? I don't know. What kind of information can I give to solve this problem? Bye Juriy Goloveshkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 7:15:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3289B37C4C0 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:15:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C9C0195; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:15:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:15:10 -0800 From: Ron Rosson To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XJEM3288 Message-ID: <20000323071510.A8344@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson References: <20000322230040.A1091@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <20000322065811.A47986@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <200003230543.WAA37751@harmony.village.org> <20000322230040.A1091@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <200003230729.AAA38813@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003230729.AAA38813@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 12:29:11AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.4-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (88% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 7:11AM up 9:05, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Warner Losh was heard blurting out: > In message <20000322230040.A1091@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Ron Rosson writes: > : When I test it in minicom it is lsow to respond. But Hey I am closer. > : > : Any more clues? > > Classic "bad interrupt" problem. Try other irqs. > I got me a working 28.8 Modem Under FreeBSD ;-). What I did is disabled the com port 2 (Using infrared) in the BIOS. Set up the KERNEL with device sio1 recompiled kernel and cheanged ? in pccard.conf.sample to 3 You guys are awesome.. Thanks for the assist -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------- Last night, I laid in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and thought to myself, "Where the hell is the ceiling???" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 7:59:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sianna.shopkeeper.de (sianna.shopkeeper.de [195.27.246.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0271037B55B for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:59:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sklauder@ibd-web.de) Received: from blueice.shopkeeper.de (root@blueice.shopkeeper.de [195.27.246.232]) by sianna.shopkeeper.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA42292; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:59:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sklauder@ibd-web.de) Received: (from sklauder@localhost) by blueice.shopkeeper.de (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e2NFxGu06589; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:59:16 +0100 (CET) From: Sascha Klauder Message-Id: <200003231559.e2NFxGu06589@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:59:16 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <200003230548.WAA37803@harmony.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Mär 22, 2000 10:48:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu Mar 23 06:48:47 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > Yes. You can use polling mode by removing irq XX from the config line > in your kernel. Also, the pcic parts in most laptops don't share irqs > with other devices (there are some pci exceptions, but that usually > isn't the problem) and laptops tend to have a lot of devices built > into them. Is there any way to force pccardd to use polling mode when using the boot floppies? I want to install 4.0-RELEASE with ftp, but I can't get my D-Link DFE-650TX working (it always crashs hard). The laptop is an Toshiba Satellite Pro 480CDT, btw. Cheers, -sascha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 8:19:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A536337B66B for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:19:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20847; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:18:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02894; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:18:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:18:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231618.JAA02894@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brian Somers Cc: Warner Losh , Sean Eric Fagan , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-Reply-To: <200003230830.IAA00509@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> References: <200003230551.WAA37833@harmony.village.org> <200003230830.IAA00509@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Indeed. FWIW, a friends laptop has a strange allergy to irq 10.... > *any* pccard that's given irq 10 will just not work (modem's one > character behind etc), as if the controller itself couldn't handle > it. In fact, if you give the controller irq 10, nothing works ! What probably is the issue is the underlying hardware uses IRQ 10. On my ThinkPad, the CardBus controller uses up IRQ 10, even though FreeBSD doesn't support Cardbus. However, I *still* have to assign another IRQ to it for PCMCIA legacy support as well, so I lose two interrupts. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 8:25: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F63337B7BC for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:24:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34104; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:24:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA41343; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:24:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231624.JAA41343@harmony.village.org> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:18:52 MST." <200003231618.JAA02894@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <200003231618.JAA02894@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003230551.WAA37833@harmony.village.org> <200003230830.IAA00509@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:24:52 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003231618.JAA02894@nomad.yogotech.com> Nate Williams writes: : > Indeed. FWIW, a friends laptop has a strange allergy to irq 10.... : > *any* pccard that's given irq 10 will just not work (modem's one : > character behind etc), as if the controller itself couldn't handle : > it. In fact, if you give the controller irq 10, nothing works ! : : What probably is the issue is the underlying hardware uses IRQ 10. On : my ThinkPad, the CardBus controller uses up IRQ 10, even though FreeBSD : doesn't support Cardbus. However, I *still* have to assign another IRQ : to it for PCMCIA legacy support as well, so I lose two interrupts. :( There's a problem with interrupt sharing in legacy mode for mode cardbus bridges. Since I don't have the tools to troubleshoot why this would be the case (no bus analyser, no clue where to connect it if I did, etc), I can only speculate it is due to the level vs edge interrupt nature of the card. The list of interrupts in the pccard's cis is hard coded into roms on the pccard itself. It should be completely ignored. The card itself has only one interrupt line which is routed by the pcic hardware from the card to the pci/isa/whatever bus. If a pccard can't use a particular irq, it is because someone else is using it already. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 8:26:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F8E37B5F7 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:26:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20923; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02952; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:26:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231626.JAA02952@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Sascha Klauder Cc: imp@village.org (Warner Losh), freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-Reply-To: <200003231559.e2NFxGu06589@blueice.shopkeeper.de> References: <200003230548.WAA37803@harmony.village.org> <200003231559.e2NFxGu06589@blueice.shopkeeper.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu Mar 23 06:48:47 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > > Yes. You can use polling mode by removing irq XX from the config line > > in your kernel. Also, the pcic parts in most laptops don't share irqs > > with other devices (there are some pci exceptions, but that usually > > isn't the problem) and laptops tend to have a lot of devices built > > into them. > > Is there any way to force pccardd to use polling mode when using the > boot floppies? You shouldn't care for booting, since you aren't inserting/removing cards during an install, are you? Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 8:26:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1148D37B850 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:26:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34124; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:26:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA41382; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:26:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231626.JAA41382@harmony.village.org> To: Sascha Klauder Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:59:16 +0100." <200003231559.e2NFxGu06589@blueice.shopkeeper.de> References: <200003231559.e2NFxGu06589@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:26:30 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003231559.e2NFxGu06589@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Sascha Klauder writes: : Is there any way to force pccardd to use polling mode when using the : boot floppies? I want to install 4.0-RELEASE with ftp, but I can't get : my D-Link DFE-650TX working (it always crashs hard). The laptop is an : Toshiba Satellite Pro 480CDT, btw. No. The whole which irq the pccard uses for its normal function is hard to control in the boot floppies, as well as a last minute change that made polling not possible for the managment functions :-(. I'm seriously thinking about making polling for managment functions default until such time as we can safely pick an irq. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 8:29:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C96537B558 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20956; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:29:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02977; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:29:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231629.JAA02977@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Warner Losh Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-Reply-To: <200003231624.JAA41343@harmony.village.org> References: <200003231618.JAA02894@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003230551.WAA37833@harmony.village.org> <200003230830.IAA00509@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <200003231624.JAA41343@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > : > Indeed. FWIW, a friends laptop has a strange allergy to irq 10.... > : > *any* pccard that's given irq 10 will just not work (modem's one > : > character behind etc), as if the controller itself couldn't handle > : > it. In fact, if you give the controller irq 10, nothing works ! > : > : What probably is the issue is the underlying hardware uses IRQ 10. On > : my ThinkPad, the CardBus controller uses up IRQ 10, even though FreeBSD > : doesn't support Cardbus. However, I *still* have to assign another IRQ > : to it for PCMCIA legacy support as well, so I lose two interrupts. :( > > There's a problem with interrupt sharing in legacy mode for mode > cardbus bridges. Since I don't have the tools to troubleshoot why > this would be the case (no bus analyser, no clue where to connect it > if I did, etc), I can only speculate it is due to the level vs edge > interrupt nature of the card. > > The list of interrupts in the pccard's cis is hard coded into roms on > the pccard itself. It should be completely ignored. And to add to this, the entire resource allocation scheme in the cards can be safely ignored for the most part. Some of the drivers (most notably sio) want the card to use the same resources as they expect, but those resources are assigned by pccardd/kernel, and can be almost anything that doesn't conflict with already existing devices.. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 8:31:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC8237B56C for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34161; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:31:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA41493; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:31:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231631.JAA41493@harmony.village.org> To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:29:04 MST." <200003231629.JAA02977@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <200003231629.JAA02977@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003231618.JAA02894@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003230551.WAA37833@harmony.village.org> <200003230830.IAA00509@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <200003231624.JAA41343@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:31:38 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003231629.JAA02977@nomad.yogotech.com> Nate Williams writes: : And to add to this, the entire resource allocation scheme in the cards : can be safely ignored for the most part. Some of the drivers (most : notably sio) want the card to use the same resources as they expect, but : those resources are assigned by pccardd/kernel, and can be almost : anything that doesn't conflict with already existing devices.. sio no longer has this restriction. It will use whatever address pccardd tells it to use. However, most of the entries are setup to be one of the COMx ports while sio still had this restriction. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 8:32:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEB037B577 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:32:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21014; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:32:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03028; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:32:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:32:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231632.JAA03028@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Warner Losh Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment In-Reply-To: <200003231631.JAA41493@harmony.village.org> References: <200003231629.JAA02977@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003231618.JAA02894@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003230551.WAA37833@harmony.village.org> <200003230830.IAA00509@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <200003231624.JAA41343@harmony.village.org> <200003231631.JAA41493@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > : And to add to this, the entire resource allocation scheme in the cards > : can be safely ignored for the most part. Some of the drivers (most > : notably sio) want the card to use the same resources as they expect, but > : those resources are assigned by pccardd/kernel, and can be almost > : anything that doesn't conflict with already existing devices.. > > sio no longer has this restriction. It will use whatever address > pccardd tells it to use. However, most of the entries are setup to be > one of the COMx ports while sio still had this restriction. Kewl D00d! Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 9: 6: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from gta.com (gw.gta.com [199.120.225.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B175837C4DA for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:06:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lab@gta.com) Received: from gta.com (GTA internal mail system) by gta.com id MAA20852; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:11:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:11:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003231711.MAA20852@gta.com> From: Larry Baird To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > uhci0: rev 0x01 int d irq 255 on pci0.7.2 > create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 15 Make sure plug and play OS is turned off in the BIOS. But be careful, turning off plug and play sometimes hangs windows on my VAIO. No a problem for me, since I rarely ever use windows. (-: Larry -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Baird | http://www.gnatbox.com Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 9:42: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sianna.shopkeeper.de (sianna.shopkeeper.de [195.27.246.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5078F37BCD5 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sklauder@ibd-web.de) Received: from blueice.shopkeeper.de (root@blueice.shopkeeper.de [195.27.246.232]) by sianna.shopkeeper.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA43129; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:41:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sklauder@ibd-web.de) Received: (from sklauder@localhost) by blueice.shopkeeper.de (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e2NHfs207448; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:41:54 +0100 (CET) From: Sascha Klauder Message-Id: <200003231741.e2NHfs207448@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:41:54 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <200003231626.JAA41382@harmony.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Mär 23, 2000 09:26:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu Mar 23 17:26:30 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > No. The whole which irq the pccard uses for its normal function is > hard to control in the boot floppies, as well as a last minute change > that made polling not possible for the managment functions :-(. I'm > seriously thinking about making polling for managment functions > default until such time as we can safely pick an irq. Mhm, now I've disabled the soundcard and the lpt port in the bios. At least it doesn't crash anymore, but now I get the following debug messages on tty1: |pccard: card inserted, slot 0 |ed1 at port 0x240-0x25f irq 5 slot 0 on pccard0 |ed1: address 01:d1:ff:04:d1:ff, type NE2000 (16 bit) |logger: not found |/etc/pccard_ether: not found |DEBUG: Add mapping for /dev/cuaa0 to sl0 | |ed1: device timeout |ed1: device timeout The MAC address doesn't looks that fine... Kernel messages: |pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 irq 3 drq 0 on isa0 |pcic0: management irq 3 |pccard0: on pcic0 |pccard1: on pcic0 I'm using the 4.0 floppies from ftp.de.freebsd.org. Any clues? Cheers, -sascha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 10:20:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sr.twincreeks.net (c441085-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.1.83.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3D737BDC3 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from feldman@sr.twincreeks.net) Received: (from feldman@localhost) by sr.twincreeks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03817 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:20:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from feldman) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:20:36 -0800 From: Steve Feldman To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: suspend problems on VAIO Z505HS Message-ID: <20000323102036.A3686@twincreeks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a brand new Sony VAIO PCG-Z505HS. It works pretty well, except for a problem I've been having with suspend/resume. When I suspend the system with 'zzz' or Fn-ESC then resume, more often than not the system comes back in a funny state. It seems as if the file system is getting scrambled, either in-core or on the disk. Sometimes some commands just won't work (claiming a bad magic number), other times I've seen /kernel actually get changed on the disk. The other day some of the inodes on disk actually got trashed to the point where I had to completely re-install FreeBSD. I'm running 3.4-RELEASE + PAO3-20000130. It doesn't seem to have any problems suspending under win98. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Does anyone else have suspend/resume working properly on a Z505HS? Current config/dmesg appended. Steve # # PAO_ALL --- Generic Laptop Configuration with PAO project. # (based on GENERIC) # # For more information on this file, please read the PAO Frequently # Asked Question and handbook section on Kernel Configuration Files: # # http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/PAO/#faq # http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html # # If you have any questions, please contact the FreeBSD-mobile Mailing # List (English) and BSD-nomads Mailing # List (Japanese) . See the PAO home page # (http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/) for more information. # # The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook # if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the # FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/) for the # latest information. # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is also present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are # in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in LINT. # # $Id: PAO_ALL,v 1.19 2000/01/17 14:55:30 iwasaki Exp $ machine "i386" cpu "I386_CPU" cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" cpu "I686_CPU" ident VAIO_PAO maxusers 10 options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MFS_ROOT #MFS usable as root device, "MFS" req'ed options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, "NFS" req'ed options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) syscall trace support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options "VM86" #see if suspend/resume works better? # You may need to reset all pccards after resuming options PCIC_RESUME_RESET # Detach SCSI devices when the SCSI card is removed #options SCSI_DETACH # Detach ATAPI devices when the ATA card is removed options ATAPI_DETACH # Japanese version of WaveLAN PCMCIA uses 2.4GHz band instead of 915MHz # band that US version uses. If you want to use Japanese version of # WaveLAN, uncomment this line, or edit the corresponding config entry # of /etc/pccard.conf. #options "WAVELAN_PCMCIA_24" # PAO Enhanced PCI-PCIC support (experimental) #options CB_TEST #options FORCE_IRQ_ROUTING config kernel root on wd0 # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown): #options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs #options NBUS=4 # number of busses #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs controller isa0 controller pnp0 # PnP support for ISA controller eisa0 controller pci0 # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support - do not remove. pseudo-device card 1 # You must use "flags 0x1" when you don't hear any negotiation noise(?) # if you use modem card, or pccardd doesn't read cis tuple, tell you # 'No card in database for"(null)"("(null)")' in case of Cirrus Logic's # pcic is your PC. #device pcic0 at isa? port 0x3e0 flags 0x1 irq 11 device pcic0 at isa? port 0x3e0 irq 11 #device pcic0 at isa? port 0x3e4 irq 11 #device pcic1 at isa? port 0x3e2 # for HiNote Ultra II #device pcic1 at isa? port 0x3e4 # for Chandra II # Floppy drives controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 #disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # Libretto PCMCIA floppy support #controller fdc1 at isa? disable port "IO_YEFDC" bio irq ? #disk fd2 at fdc1 drive 0 #disk fd3 at fdc1 drive 1 options FDC_YE # IDE controller and disks options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 #disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 #controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 #disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 #disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 # Flash ATA / ATA HDD / ATAPI drive support controller wdc2 at isa? disable port 0x340 bio irq ? disk wd4 at wdc2 drive 0 #disk wd5 at wdc2 drive 1 controller wdc3 at isa? disable port 0x360 bio irq ? disk wd6 at wdc3 drive 0 #disk wd7 at wdc3 drive 1 # ATAPI devices options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device acd0 #IDE CD-ROM #device wfd0 #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120) # SCSI Controllers # A single entry for any of these controllers (ncr, ahb, ahc) is # sufficient for any number of installed devices. controller ncr0 # NCR/Symbios Logic controller ahb0 # EISA AHA1742 family controller ahc0 # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices controller amd0 # AMD 53C974 (Teckram DC-390(T)) controller isp0 # Qlogic family controller dpt0 # DPT Smartcache - See LINT for options! controller uhci0 controller usb0 device ugen0 device ukbd0 device ums0 controller adv0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? controller adw0 controller bt0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? controller aha0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? controller aic0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? # SCSI peripherals # Only one of each of these is needed, they are dynamically allocated. controller scbus0 # SCSI bus (required) device da0 # Direct Access (disks) device od0 # Optical Memory (MO etc) device sa0 # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd0 # CD device pass0 # Passthrough device (direct SCSI) # Proprietary or custom CD-ROM Interfaces device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1 device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10 device matcd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio device scd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 device psm0 at isa? tty irq 12 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? tty # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? tty #options XSERVER # support for X server #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support device apm0 at isa? # Advanced Power Management # # Notes on APM # The flags takes the following meaning for apm0: # 0x0002 Limit APM protocol to 1.0. # 0x0004 Don't adjust clock on suspend/resume. # 0x0008 Don't trust the segment limits that the BIOS reports. # If `options VM86' is set, V86 mode is used in APM initialization # instead of real mode. VM86 is recommended if you want to use APM. # # Suspend the system when the battery status is "Low" #options "APM_BATT_LOW_SUSPEND" # If you want to use NTP on laptop machines, uncomment the following # option. Current APM implementation affects NTP client. #options "APM_NO_CLOCK_ADJUST" # Limit APM protocol to 1.0. #options "FORCE_APM10" # Don't trust the segment limits that the BIOS reports; instead give it # as much space as possible to avoid lossage due to sloppy BIOS # programming. #options "APM_FORCE_64K_SEG" # Serial (COM) ports & PCCARD modem etc. device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 device sio4 device sio5 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? port? flags 0x40 net irq 7 controller ppbus0 # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt0 at ppbus? # Printer device plip0 at ppbus? # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi0 at ppbus? # Parallel port interface device #controller vpo0 at ppbus? # Requires scbus and da0 # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device al0 # ADMtek AL981 (``Comet'') #device ax0 # ASIX AX88140A #device de0 # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device fxp0 # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device mx0 # Macronix 98713/98715/98725 (``PMAC'') #device pn0 # Lite-On 82c168/82c169 (``PNIC'') #device rl0 # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf0 # Adaptec AIC-6915 DuraLAN (``Starfire'') #device sis0 # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device ste0 # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550) #device tl0 # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device tx0 # SMC 9432TX (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vr0 # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device vx0 # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') #device wb0 # Winbond W89C840F #device xl0 # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA & PCCARD Ethernet NICs. # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 device ed1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 device ie0 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 device ep1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 10 device ex0 at isa? disable port? net irq? device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? device fe1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq ? device le0 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 device lnc0 at isa? disable port 0x280 net irq 10 drq 0 device cs0 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq ? device sn0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 device sn1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 10 device wlp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 11 device wlp1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 11 device cnw0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 device cnw1 at isa? disable port 0x300 net irq 5 device ux0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 device wi0 at isa? port? net irq ? device xe0 at isa? port? net irq ? device awi0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 # do not enable ze0 and zp0 (these devices are obsolete) ##device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 ##device zp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 # IBM Smart Capture PCMCIA card device scc0 device scc1 # Hitachi microcomputer system Speach Synthesizer card device hss0 device hss1 # PCMCIA Joystick device joy0 at isa? disable port "IO_GAME" # PCMCIA GPIB card device gp0 at isa? disable port 0x2c0 tty # Sound (?) device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP # ppp(8) uses tun instead of ppp device #pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP pseudo-device tun 1 # Packet tunnel pseudo-device pty 16 # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device vn # Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) # # Enable the kernel debugger. # options DDB # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter options "P1003_1B" options "_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING" options "_KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L" # try to make mouse work after suspend options PSM_HOOKAPM #hook the APM resume event, useful options PSM_RESETAFTERSUSPEND #reset the device at the resume event # for 'wine': options USER_LDT #allow user-level control of i386 ldt Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #1: Wed Mar 22 20:45:01 PST 2000 root@snoopy.twincreeks.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/VAIO_PAO Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Unknown 80686 (496.31-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x681 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383f9ff> real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) config> di ze0 No such device: ze0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di lnc0 config> di le0 config> di ie0 config> di fe0 config> di ex0 config> di ep0 config> di ed0 config> di cs0 config> di wt0 config> di wdc1 No such device: wdc1 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di mcd0 config> di matcdc0 config> di bt0 config> di aic0 config> di aha0 config> di adv0 config> q avail memory = 126951424 (123976K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0377000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc037709c. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x03 on pci0.1.0 chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1 uhci0: rev 0x01 int d irq 9 on pci0.7.2 chip3: rev 0x03 on pci0.7.3 pcic0: rev 0x80 int a irq 255 on pci0.12.0 RL5C4XX PCI Config Reg: [CSC isa irq] Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: vga0: rev 0x20 int a irq 9 on pci1.0.0 Probing for PnP devices: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> wi0 not found atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 irq 12 on isa psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1 not found at 0x2f8 pcm0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa Unknown card 0x0 0x0 -- hope it is SBPRO fdc0: direction bit not set fdc0: cmd 3 failed at out byte 1 of 3 fdc0 not found at 0x3f0 wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 11513MB (23579136 sectors), 23392 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S scd0 not found at 0x230 ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa ppc0: Generic chipset (ECP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 plip0: on ppbus 0 sn0 not found at 0x300 wlp0 not found at 0x300 cnw0 not found at 0x300 ux0 not found at 0x300 xe0: probe xe0 not found awi0 not found at 0x300 pcic0 at 0x3e0-0x3e1 irq 11 on isa PC-Card ctlr(0) Ricoh RL5C475/476 [CardBus bridge mode] (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) pcic0: slot 0 controller I/O address 0x3e0 vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0 on isa apm: found APM BIOS version 1.2 usb0: uhub0 at usb0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Initializing PC-card drivers: awi ux aic fdc gp hss cnw ed ep fe sn wi wlp xe joy scc sio wdc changing root device to wd0s2a Card inserted, slot 0 card0: assign wi0 iobase 0x240 irq 3 wi0: at 0x240-0x27f irq 3 on isa wi0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:63:50:17:ad To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 10:41:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D094037C59F for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA34666; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:41:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA42275; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:41:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231841.LAA42275@harmony.village.org> To: Sascha Klauder Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:41:54 +0100." <200003231741.e2NHfs207448@blueice.shopkeeper.de> References: <200003231741.e2NHfs207448@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:41:17 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003231741.e2NHfs207448@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Sascha Klauder writes: : Mhm, now I've disabled the soundcard and the lpt port in the bios. Yea! : |ed1: address 01:d1:ff:04:d1:ff, type NE2000 (16 bit) Looks like a somewhat bogus address. : |logger: not found Gotta fix that. : |/etc/pccard_ether: not found That too. : |ed1: device timeout : |ed1: device timeout : : The MAC address doesn't looks that fine... What kind of card? The MAC looks bogus to me. Are you sure that nothing else is using 0x240-0x25f on your machine (generally nothing would be, but I gotta ask). Are you sure that both irq 3 and 5 are free? Sadly, these are all the clues I can offer. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 10:55:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A840637C721 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA34729; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:55:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA42427; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:55:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231855.LAA42427@harmony.village.org> To: Ollivier Robert Subject: Re: Looking for laptops Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:38:55 +0100." <20000323073855.A17764@keltia.freenix.fr> References: <20000323073855.A17764@keltia.freenix.fr> <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> <200003150751.AAA85374@harmony.village.org> <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> <200003221927.MAA32949@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:55:33 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20000323073855.A17764@keltia.freenix.fr> Ollivier Robert writes: : I'm also getting hangs when I suspend the machine with the pccard modem : inserted... It doesn't go into DDB, it just hangs. Thanks for the data point. BTW, can you go into the BIOS? Eg, hit the bios keys for the battery level? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 10:57:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FFF37C6A8 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA34745; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA42461; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:57:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> To: Randy Bush Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx Cc: FreeBSD Laptoppers In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:49:15 +0900." References: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:57:29 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message Randy Bush writes: : note the : : uhci0: rev 0x01 int d irq 255 on pci0.7.2 : create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 15 : usb0: could not map irq PLUG AND PLAY OS: NO Your plug and play os setting in the bios is likely set to yes right now. Set it to no and this will work. This will not impact your ability to run Win9[58]. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 11: 0:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E8037C6A8 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA34750; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id LAA42474; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:59:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231859.LAA42474@harmony.village.org> To: Juriy Goloveshkin Subject: Re: pcmcia CDROM pscd-740 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:23:51 +0300." References: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:59:48 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message Juriy Goloveshkin writes: : It looks fine. BUT. ANY operations with drive(mount,cdcontrol) fall : kernel. Looks a lot like what my drive gives, except yours supports more formats, you lucky stiff. :-) : why? I don't know. What kind of information can I give to solve this : problem? Are there any other error messages? Does it lock the machine up hard? Can you get to the BIOS (eg hit the battery power meter key and does the battery power display popup)? Does this drive work with Win9[58]? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 11: 0:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sianna.shopkeeper.de (sianna.shopkeeper.de [195.27.246.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBFB37C959 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:00:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sklauder@ibd-web.de) Received: from blueice.shopkeeper.de (root@blueice.shopkeeper.de [195.27.246.232]) by sianna.shopkeeper.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA43526; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:00:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sklauder@ibd-web.de) Received: (from sklauder@localhost) by blueice.shopkeeper.de (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e2NJ0Aa07714; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:00:10 +0100 (CET) From: Sascha Klauder Message-Id: <200003231900.e2NJ0Aa07714@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:00:10 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <200003231841.LAA42275@harmony.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Mär 23, 2000 11:41:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu Mar 23 19:41:17 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > What kind of card? The MAC looks bogus to me. Are you sure that It's a D-Link DFE-650TX. The cisdump matches exactly that one on the PAO site. > nothing else is using 0x240-0x25f on your machine (generally nothing > would be, but I gotta ask). There is a SB Pro at 0x220, 0x330, 0x388, irq 5, dma 0, dma 1. But it's disabled, so I hope there are no other devices floating around... > Are you sure that both irq 3 and 5 are free? Well, there is only one sio at irq4, so I'd guess irq 3 is free. Now, what's interesting too, I can select the "PC Card controller mode" in the BIOS; there are three settings "Auto-Selected", "PCIC Compatible" and "CardBus/16-Bit". Now I've selected CardBus, and the kernel recognizes a "pcic-pci0: ", but it doesn't detect the card slots. There's a "" too, at the same interrupt (11) as the CardBus controller, but I can't disable it. I've tried a BIOS-update already, no go. That thing drives me crazy.... Cheers, -sascha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 11: 3:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BE737C51F for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:03:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA34790; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:03:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA42541; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:03:31 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003231903.MAA42541@harmony.village.org> To: Sascha Klauder Subject: Re: 4.0 a severe disappointment Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:00:10 +0100." <200003231900.e2NJ0Aa07714@blueice.shopkeeper.de> References: <200003231900.e2NJ0Aa07714@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:03:31 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003231900.e2NJ0Aa07714@blueice.shopkeeper.de> Sascha Klauder writes: : On Thu Mar 23 19:41:17 2000, Warner Losh wrote: : > What kind of card? The MAC looks bogus to me. Are you sure that : : It's a D-Link DFE-650TX. The cisdump matches exactly that one on the : PAO site. : : > nothing else is using 0x240-0x25f on your machine (generally nothing : > would be, but I gotta ask). : : There is a SB Pro at 0x220, 0x330, 0x388, irq 5, dma 0, dma 1. But it's : disabled, so I hope there are no other devices floating around... In the BIOS? Try not using irq 5. : > Are you sure that both irq 3 and 5 are free? : : Well, there is only one sio at irq4, so I'd guess irq 3 is free. : : Now, what's interesting too, I can select the "PC Card controller mode" : in the BIOS; there are three settings "Auto-Selected", "PCIC Compatible" : and "CardBus/16-Bit". Now I've selected CardBus, and the kernel : recognizes a "pcic-pci0: ", but it : doesn't detect the card slots. There's a "" : too, at the same interrupt (11) as the CardBus controller, but I can't : disable it. I've tried a BIOS-update already, no go. That thing drives : me crazy.... You'll want PCIC Compatible mode. I don't think that we always handle the card bus bridge setup into pcic mode as well as we should. There are some patches floating around that will do this, but I've not had time to evaluate and test them. I think they are from iwasaki-san, but I could be wrong. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 11:37: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from tasogare.imasy.or.jp (tasogare.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793E537B931 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (isdnb21.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.149]) by tasogare.imasy.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-tasogare/smtpfeed 1.01) with ESMTP id EAA24606; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:36:52 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200003231936.EAA24606@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> To: feldman@twincreeks.net Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suspend problems on VAIO Z505HS In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:20:36 -0800" <20000323102036.A3686@twincreeks.net> References: <20000323102036.A3686@twincreeks.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:36:51 +0900 From: Mitsuru IWASAKI X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 26 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > I've got a brand new Sony VAIO PCG-Z505HS. > It works pretty well, except for a problem I've been having with > suspend/resume. > > When I suspend the system with 'zzz' or Fn-ESC then resume, > more often than not the system comes back in a funny state. > It seems as if the file system is getting scrambled, > either in-core or on the disk. Sometimes some commands > just won't work (claiming a bad magic number), other times > I've seen /kernel actually get changed on the disk. > > The other day some of the inodes on disk actually got trashed to > the point where I had to completely re-install FreeBSD. > > I'm running 3.4-RELEASE + PAO3-20000130. It seems the `CHS addressing destroy over 8GB disks after resume' problem. Please try to set Bit 12 (LBA addressing) on wdc flags (see LINT or man 4 wd) somethig like; controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0xf0fff0ff (32bit + sleep hack + LBA + multi-sector) Good luck! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 12:18:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sr.twincreeks.net (c441085-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.1.83.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F2737B579 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:18:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from feldman@sr.twincreeks.net) Received: (from feldman@localhost) by sr.twincreeks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04365; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from feldman) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:18:33 -0800 From: Steve Feldman To: Mitsuru IWASAKI Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: suspend problems on VAIO Z505HS Message-ID: <20000323121833.A4349@twincreeks.net> References: <20000323102036.A3686@twincreeks.net> <200003231936.EAA24606@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003231936.EAA24606@tasogare.imasy.or.jp>; from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 04:36:51AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That did the trick, suspend/resume works fine now. Thanks! Steve On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 04:36:51AM +0900, Mitsuru IWASAKI wrote: > Hi, > > > I've got a brand new Sony VAIO PCG-Z505HS. > > It works pretty well, except for a problem I've been having with > > suspend/resume. > > > > When I suspend the system with 'zzz' or Fn-ESC then resume, > > more often than not the system comes back in a funny state. > > It seems as if the file system is getting scrambled, > > either in-core or on the disk. Sometimes some commands > > just won't work (claiming a bad magic number), other times > > I've seen /kernel actually get changed on the disk. > > > > The other day some of the inodes on disk actually got trashed to > > the point where I had to completely re-install FreeBSD. > > > > I'm running 3.4-RELEASE + PAO3-20000130. > > It seems the `CHS addressing destroy over 8GB disks after resume' problem. > Please try to set Bit 12 (LBA addressing) on wdc flags (see LINT or man 4 wd) > somethig like; > > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0xf0fff0ff > (32bit + sleep hack + LBA + multi-sector) > > Good luck! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 13:30:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from roam.psg.com (roam.psg.com [147.28.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDECF37BB64 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:29:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by roam.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12YEzd-00008i-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:18:13 +0900 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Warner Losh Cc: FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx References: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:18:13 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> uhci0: rev 0x01 int d irq 255 on pci0.7.2 >> create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 15 >> usb0: could not map irq > PLUG AND PLAY OS: NO > > Your plug and play os setting in the bios is likely set to yes right > now. Set it to no and this will work. This will not impact your > ability to run Win9[58]. to all three people who told me this, thank you! now to hack a mouse swapper (sony pad to usb). randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 13:35:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE64137B52A for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:35:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26557; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:35:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:35:17 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Randy Bush Cc: Warner Losh , FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx Message-ID: <20000323133517.B22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from randy@psg.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:18:13AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:18:13AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > >> uhci0: rev 0x01 int d irq 255 on pci0.7.2 > >> create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 15 > >> usb0: could not map irq > > PLUG AND PLAY OS: NO > > > > Your plug and play os setting in the bios is likely set to yes right > > now. Set it to no and this will work. This will not impact your > > ability to run Win9[58]. > > to all three people who told me this, thank you! > > now to hack a mouse swapper (sony pad to usb). That shouldn't be necessicary is you use moused. One of the really cool things about moused is that you can have an arbitrary number of mice whose input is aggrigated. Just always run a moused for the builtin and have usbd start one on insert (I think it might already.) -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 13:56: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from roam.psg.com (roam.psg.com [147.28.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D52037C6FC for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:55:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by roam.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12YFZp-0000D7-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:55:37 +0900 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brooks Davis Cc: FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx References: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> <20000323133517.B22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:55:37 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > That shouldn't be necessicary is you use moused. One of the really cool > things about moused is that you can have an arbitrary number of mice > whose input is aggrigated. Just always run a moused for the builtin and > have usbd start one on insert (I think it might already.) actually, if the usb mouse is unpluggd and then plugged in again, moused things it is useless, i.e. no action. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 14:13:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B717337C544 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09509; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:13:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:13:23 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Randy Bush Cc: Brooks Davis , FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx Message-ID: <20000323141323.B1409@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> <20000323133517.B22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from randy@psg.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:55:37AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:55:37AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > > That shouldn't be necessicary is you use moused. One of the really cool > > things about moused is that you can have an arbitrary number of mice > > whose input is aggrigated. Just always run a moused for the builtin and > > have usbd start one on insert (I think it might already.) > > actually, if the usb mouse is unpluggd and then plugged in again, moused > things it is useless, i.e. no action. moused can't be expected to handle reattachment properly, it looks like the standard entry in usbd.conf doesn't have the necessicary detach entry. This entierly untested line may do it: detach "kill `cat /var/run/moused.$(DEVNAME}.pid`" Actually, while I'm looking at the file, I notice that the USB ether net entry is kinda bogus too. It should probably be: device "USB ethernet" devname "[ack]ue[0-9]+" attach "dhclient -pf /var/run/dhclient.${DEVNAME}.pid ${DEVNAME}" detach "kill `cat /var/run/dhclient.${DEVNAME}.pid`" Otherwise, if you have a system with multiple devices using dhcp you're screwed when you remove one of them. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 14:17:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from roam.psg.com (roam.psg.com [147.28.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E8337C645 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by roam.psg.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12YFuV-0000FJ-00; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:16:59 +0900 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brooks Davis Cc: FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx References: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> <20000323133517.B22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <20000323141323.B1409@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:16:59 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> actually, if the usb mouse is unpluggd and then plugged in again, moused >> things it is useless, i.e. no action. > > moused can't be expected to handle reattachment properly, it looks like > the standard entry in usbd.conf doesn't have the necessicary detach > entry. This entierly untested line may do it: > > detach "kill `cat /var/run/moused.$(DEVNAME}.pid`" well, my script does the equibalent, though a bit more brutally, see appended. /var/run/moused.id seemed unreliable. > Otherwise, if you have a system with multiple devices using dhcp you're > screwed when you remove one of them. dhcp? ain't no dhcp here! randy while [ x$m = x ]; do echo echo -n "which mouse [ p - ps/2 u - usb ] ? " read m case $m in p) m=psm0 ;; u) m=ums0 ;; else) m="" ;; esac done /bin/ps -auxw | grep "moused" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill /usr/sbin/moused -t auto -p /dev/$m To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 15:22: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.squidge.com (ns0.squidge.com [195.10.252.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C6337BB2B for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from si@mystery-machine.com) Received: from vaio (squid001.gemsoft.co.uk [195.10.224.102]) by mail.squidge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA60289 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:26:38 GMT (envelope-from si@mystery-machine.com) Message-ID: <000b01bf951e$8c7fb380$310110ac@billco.internal> Reply-To: "Simon Holliday" From: "Simon Holliday" To: Subject: Sony VAIO Z600RE Hibernation Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:14:53 -0000 Organization: squidge.com limited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Folks, Having some problems with this machine (Z505 something in the US I think). I am trying to set it up dual-boot with Windows 98. The Sony install CD re-partitions the disk with a (approx) 8MB Windows parition, a 4MB empty partition and a small partition at the end of the disk which I believe is for the hibernation disk-write. The first time I installed, hibernation failed to work, so I assumed I had mistakenly over-written part of the hibernation partition, although it _appeared_ to still be there. The most recent time, after installing FreeBSD, I booted back into Windows to check that hibernation would still work. It worked fine, minus the graphical progress bar while the memory is written to disk. I could restore from hibernation back to Windows with no problem. This lack of blocky progress bar didn't bother me (although I wasn't sure why it was missing), so I progressed with configuring FreeBSD, installing X, etc. However, after a few boots back and forth, the hibernation now fails completely. I have tried this with FreeBSD 3.4 and 4.0, using the standard boot manager. Any ideas what's going on? Si. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 15:28:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from main.avias.com (avias-gw.corbina.net [195.14.40.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C2537BE50 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:28:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@avias.com) Received: from dialup2.avias.com (dialup2.avias.com [195.14.38.69]) by main.avias.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA95663; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:28:19 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from j@avias.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:28:45 +0300 (MSK) From: Juriy Goloveshkin X-Sender: juriy@localhost To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pcmcia CDROM pscd-740 In-Reply-To: <200003231859.LAA42474@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > : It looks fine. BUT. ANY operations with drive(mount,cdcontrol) fall > : kernel. > Looks a lot like what my drive gives, except yours supports more > formats, you lucky stiff. :-) *) > > : why? I don't know. What kind of information can I give to solve this > : problem? > > Are there any other error messages? Does it lock the machine up hard? > Can you get to the BIOS (eg hit the battery power meter key and does > the battery power display popup)? Does this drive work with Win9[58]? with win98 it works fine with default windows driver maybe I have something interesting for you: Script started on Fri Mar 24 02:12:52 2000 bash-2.03# gdb -k kernel.0 vmcore.0 GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"... IdlePTD 3702784 initial pcb at 2f76e0 panicstr: from debugger panic messages: --- <<<<< skip a lot >>>>>> pccard: card inserted, slot 0 ata2 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 slot 0 on pccard0 acd0: CDROM at ata2-master using BIOSPIO <<<<<< mount /dev/acd0c /mnt >>>>>>> Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc0236224 stack pointer = 0x10:0xc7456c78 frame pointer = 0x10:0xc7456c84 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 285 (mount) interrupt mask = none panic: from debugger panic: from debugger Uptime: 8m54s dumping to dev #ad/0x30001, offset 73600 dump ata0: resetting devices .. done 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 --- #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:304 304 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:304 #1 0xc0149671 in panic (fmt=0xc027dbd4 "from debugger") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:554 #2 0xc0133e71 in db_panic (addr=-1071422940, have_addr=0, count=-1, modif=0xc7456ad0 "") at ../../ddb/db_command.c:433 #3 0xc0133e10 in db_command (last_cmdp=0xc02b9dec, cmd_table=0xc02b9c4c, aux_cmd_tablep=0xc02f3de4) at ../../ddb/db_command.c:333 #4 0xc0133ed6 in db_command_loop () at ../../ddb/db_command.c:455 #5 0xc0135ffb in db_trap (type=12, code=0) at ../../ddb/db_trap.c:71 #6 0xc024e269 in kdb_trap (type=12, code=0, regs=0xc7456c38) at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:158 #7 0xc025a7ec in trap_fatal (frame=0xc7456c38, eva=0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:919 #8 0xc025a4d1 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc7456c38, usermode=0, eva=0) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:817 #9 0xc025a05b in trap (frame={tf_fs = 16, tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = 3, tf_esi = -1061761920, tf_ebp = -951751548, tf_isp = -951751580, tf_ebx = -1061666816, tf_edx = 1, tf_ecx = 5, tf_eax = 0, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -1071422940, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66118, tf_esp = -957243680, tf_ss = -952136224}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:423 #10 0xc0236224 in acdopen (dev=0xc0b6cc80, flags=3, fmt=8192, p=0xc6f19ee0) at ../../dev/ata/atapi-cd.c:497 #11 0xc0182e1e in spec_open (ap=0xc7456d30) at ../../miscfs/specfs/spec_vnops.c:191 #12 0xc0182d25 in spec_vnoperate (ap=0xc7456d30) at ../../miscfs/specfs/spec_vnops.c:117 #13 0xc020f129 in ufs_vnoperatespec (ap=0xc7456d30) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2301 ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- #14 0xc0206bbb in ffs_mountfs (devvp=0xc73f8de0, mp=0xc0bf6c00, p=0xc6f19ee0, malloctype=0xc02cb3c0) at vnode_if.h:189 #15 0xc0206502 in ffs_mount (mp=0xc0bf6c00, path=0xbfbfefcc "/mnt", data=0xbfbfef08 "\026ü¿¿", ndp=0xc7456e80, p=0xc6f19ee0) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_vfsops.c:357 #16 0xc0175d12 in mount (p=0xc6f19ee0, uap=0xc7456f80) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:304 #17 0xc025aa3b in syscall (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = -1077940508, tf_esi = -1077940276, tf_ebp = -1077940364, tf_isp = -951750700, tf_ebx = 0, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 0, tf_eax = 21, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 134534756, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -1077940552, tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1073 #18 0xc024eb76 in Xint0x80_syscall () #19 0x8048af0 in ?? () #20 0x804867e in ?? () #21 0x80480f5 in ?? () (kgdb) up 10 #10 0xc0236224 in acdopen (dev=0xc0b6cc80, flags=3, fmt=8192, p=0xc6f19ee0) at ../../dev/ata/atapi-cd.c:497 497 if (cdp->slot != cdp->changer_info->current_slot) { (kgdb) list 492 if (flags & FWRITE) { 493 if (count_dev(dev) > 1) 494 return EBUSY; 495 } 496 if (count_dev(dev) == 1) { 497 if (cdp->slot != cdp->changer_info->current_slot) { 498 acd_select_slot(cdp); 499 tsleep(&cdp->changer_info, PRIBIO, "acdopn", 0); 500 } 501 acd_prevent_allow(cdp, 1); (kgdb) print cdp $1 = (struct acd_softc *) 0x0 (kgdb) quit bash-2.03# exit Script done on Fri Mar 24 02:14:28 2000 PS ughhhh 02:00 and I want sleep *) Bye Juriy Goloveshkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 15:38:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFD437C58E for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:38:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12YHBL-0005I0-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:38:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:38:26 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx Message-ID: <20000323183826.A19683@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Laptoppers References: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> <20000323133517.B22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <20000323141323.B1409@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from randy@psg.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 07:16:59AM +0900 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Randy Bush probably said: > /bin/ps -auxw | grep "moused" | grep -v grep | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill > /usr/sbin/moused -t auto -p /dev/$m Pet peeve # 326; people who pipe grep output into grep and especially if it then goes into awk. This is somewhat more friendly (and rather more accurate as a nice byproduct); /bin/ps -auxw \ | awk '$1 == "root" && $11 ~ "^(/usr/sbin/)?moused$" {print $2}' | xargs kill or /bin/ps -auxw \ | awk '$1 == "root" && $11 ~ "^(/usr/sbin/)?moused$" {system("kill " $2)}' depending on how many processes are likely to be killed. The former is more efficient for 3 or more. There isn't much difference. I'm making the assumption here that moused runs as root (I don't use it currently). P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 15:42:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2696237B669 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA36461; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:42:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA44975; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:42:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003232342.QAA44975@harmony.village.org> To: Juriy Goloveshkin Subject: Re: pcmcia CDROM pscd-740 Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:28:45 +0300." References: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:42:22 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message Juriy Goloveshkin writes: : 497 if (cdp->slot != cdp->changer_info->current_slot) { : 498 acd_select_slot(cdp); : 499 tsleep(&cdp->changer_info, PRIBIO, "acdopn", 0); : 500 } My version of the driver doesn't have these lines. Maybe that's the problem. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 16: 6:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD0337B695 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:06:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA36674; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA45297; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:06:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003240006.RAA45297@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: pcmcia CDROM pscd-740 To: Juriy Goloveshkin , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:42:22 MST." <200003232342.QAA44975@harmony.village.org> References: <200003232342.QAA44975@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:06:13 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003232342.QAA44975@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : In message Juriy Goloveshkin writes: : : 497 if (cdp->slot != cdp->changer_info->current_slot) { : : 498 acd_select_slot(cdp); : : 499 tsleep(&cdp->changer_info, PRIBIO, "acdopn", 0); : : 500 } : : My version of the driver doesn't have these lines. Maybe that's the : problem. Looks like this is a recent change by soren. Looks like he broke something in adding support for changers. You might want to try changes before revision 1.52 date: 2000/03/21 13:26:54; author: sos; state: Exp; lines: +85 -50 Make ATAPI CD changer devices work, hopefully better than before. was committed to the tree. I'd also send mail to sos about this. also, since many people don't always make depend before building their kernels, you might want to try this and see if anything gets rebuilt that wasn't built before. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 20:11:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977B837B562 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:11:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id FAA19250 for mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:11:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 102928869; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:55:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:55:11 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for laptops Message-ID: <20000324005511.A24088@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000323073855.A17764@keltia.freenix.fr> <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> <200003150751.AAA85374@harmony.village.org> <38D0E90B.A8CB65E3@newsguy.com> <200003221927.MAA32949@harmony.village.org> <20000323073855.A17764@keltia.freenix.fr> <200003231855.LAA42427@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003231855.LAA42427@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 11:55:33AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Warner Losh: > Thanks for the data point. BTW, can you go into the BIOS? Eg, hit > the bios keys for the battery level? That's a very good question, haven't thought of that. I'll do the test. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #78: Sun Feb 27 15:32:39 CET 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 20:18:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from buddha.quicksilver.co.nz (buddha.quicksilver.co.nz [202.89.130.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5226437B665 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:18:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sobrien@quicksilver.co.nz) Received: from quicksilver.co.nz (dhcp8.quicksilver.co.nz [202.89.130.17]) by buddha.quicksilver.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23636 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:18:09 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <38DAECB1.F1E3C76C@quicksilver.co.nz> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:18:57 +1200 From: "Sarton O'Brien" Organization: Quicksilver Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: XFree HorizSync Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have forever been trying to configure my Toshiba Satellite 2060CDS to visually be pleasing under XFree. I have had it working in 16 bit 800x600 for a while in older versions of XFree but whenever I would move a window, or a window was busy (compiling or whatever), the movement would shadow across the screen and there would be a horrible flicker. I have been living with that for a while until I installed XFree 4.0 today. XFree86 -configure sets it up nicely (yeah! no flicker) detecting more than I new I had, but the resolution is shocking and so is the color depth. Using the xf86config script get me at the 'HorizSync' question. Man! , I would love to know what to specify for a laptop monitor. The manual reveals little, the closest thing to what I want \ am after is listed as: MODE DISPLAY MODE RES. LCD COLORS CRT COLORS VERT. FRQ Non-Interlace 24-bit 800x600 16M/16M 16M/16M 60Hz Non-Interlace High Refresh rate "" "" "" "" 75Hz Non-Interlace Flicker Free "" "" "" "" 85Hz But no Horizontal. :( Solutions? Ideas? Grail like documentation? Anything, please, before I go crazy. Sarton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 21:56:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BFF37B5CD for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:56:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from shadow.blackdawn.com (postfix@[209.69.196.61]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA51226; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by shadow.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 092431ACC; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:56:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:56:03 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: "Sarton O'Brien" Cc: "freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: XFree HorizSync Message-ID: <20000324005603.C91717@shadow.blackdawn.com> References: <38DAECB1.F1E3C76C@quicksilver.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38DAECB1.F1E3C76C@quicksilver.co.nz>; from sobrien@quicksilver.co.nz on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 04:18:57PM +1200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 04:18:57PM +1200, Sarton O'Brien wrote: > MODE DISPLAY MODE RES. LCD COLORS CRT COLORS VERT. FRQ > > Non-Interlace 24-bit 800x600 16M/16M 16M/16M 60Hz > > Non-Interlace > High Refresh rate "" "" "" "" 75Hz > > Non-Interlace > Flicker Free "" "" "" "" 85Hz > > > But no Horizontal. :( Unfortunately, most monitor manuals do not specify enough information. Heck, most manuals these days like to skimp on the _important_ technical details. :-( > Solutions? Ideas? Grail like documentation? Anything, please, before I > go crazy. I typically use HorizSync 31.5-48.5 which works on my AGP 8MB ATI Rage LT Pro-powered laptop. I believe this is one of the default settings presented in xf86config. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 22:32:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from main.avias.com (avias-gw.corbina.net [195.14.40.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1934D37B6BC for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@avias.com) Received: from dialup2.avias.com (dialup2.avias.com [195.14.38.69]) by main.avias.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02586; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:32:29 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from j@avias.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:32:55 +0300 (MSK) From: Juriy Goloveshkin X-Sender: juriy@localhost To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pcmcia CDROM pscd-740 In-Reply-To: <200003240006.RAA45297@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > Looks like this is a recent change by soren. Looks like he broke > something in adding support for changers. You might want to try > changes before I have just tried. and... IT WORKS! good morning! *) Bye Juriy Goloveshkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 22:59:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smartie.braingarage.com (m206-51.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.206.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74C237B815 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by smartie.braingarage.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04569; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:59:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:59:16 -0800 (PST) From: robert bowen Message-Id: <200003240659.WAA04569@smartie.braingarage.com> X-Authentication-Warning: smartie.braingarage.com: nobody set sender to robert@braingarage.com using -f To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Reply-To: robert@braingarage.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 Subject: ppc and sio strangeness Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org during boot I get the following messages from the kernel: sio0: configured irq 4 not in bit map of probed irqs 0 Further along I get this from ppc0: ppc0: cannot reserve I/O port range I have tried all the different settings in my kernel config and nothing changes. I also have tried various settings in the bios with no luck. What does this mean? Thanks, Robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 23:19:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.webweaving.org (lon-qbu-gyt-vty33.as.wcom.net [195.232.106.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE6037B56D for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:19:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirkx@mobile.webweaving.org) Received: (from dirkx@localhost) by mobile.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06226; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:19:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dirkx) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:19:14 +0100 (CET) From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik X-Sender: dirkx@vaio.ispra.webweaving.org To: Simon Holliday Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sony VAIO Z600RE Hibernation In-Reply-To: <000b01bf951e$8c7fb380$310110ac@billco.internal> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What does an fdisk give you for the partition table ? DW On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Simon Holliday wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Having some problems with this machine (Z505 something in the US I think). > > I am trying to set it up dual-boot with Windows 98. The Sony install CD > re-partitions the disk with a (approx) 8MB Windows parition, a 4MB empty > partition and a small partition at the end of the disk which I believe is > for the hibernation disk-write. The first time I installed, hibernation > failed to work, so I assumed I had mistakenly over-written part of the > hibernation partition, although it _appeared_ to still be there. The most > recent time, after installing FreeBSD, I booted back into Windows to check > that hibernation would still work. It worked fine, minus the graphical > progress bar while the memory is written to disk. I could restore from > hibernation back to Windows with no problem. This lack of blocky progress > bar didn't bother me (although I wasn't sure why it was missing), so I > progressed with configuring FreeBSD, installing X, etc. However, after a > few boots back and forth, the hibernation now fails completely. > > I have tried this with FreeBSD 3.4 and 4.0, using the standard boot manager. > > Any ideas what's going on? > > > > Si. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Mar 23 23:45:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F2D37B562 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:45:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA39209; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:44:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200003240744.IAA39209@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: pcmcia CDROM pscd-740 In-Reply-To: <200003240006.RAA45297@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Mar 23, 2000 05:06:13 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:44:37 +0100 (CET) Cc: j@avias.com (Juriy Goloveshkin), freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Warner Losh wrote: > : : 497 if (cdp->slot != cdp->changer_info->current_slot) { > : : 498 acd_select_slot(cdp); > : : 499 tsleep(&cdp->changer_info, PRIBIO, "acdopn", 0); > : : 500 } Just committed the fix for this bummer.... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 0:30:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from onoe2.sm.sony.co.jp (onoe2.sm.sony.co.jp [133.138.10.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A10337BB8D for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from onoe@sm.sony.co.jp) Received: from duplo.sm.sony.co.jp (onoe@localhost) by onoe2.sm.sony.co.jp (8.9.0/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA04663 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:30:06 +0900 (JST) Received: (from onoe@localhost) by duplo.sm.sony.co.jp (8.9.3/8.8.8) id RAA00609; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:30:03 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:30:03 +0900 (JST) From: Atsushi Onoe Message-Id: <200003240830.RAA00609@duplo.sm.sony.co.jp> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: awi driver for FreeBSD current In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jan 2000 08:54:51 +0900 (JST)" <200001192354.IAA01247@duplo.sm.sony.co.jp> References: <200001192354.IAA01247@duplo.sm.sony.co.jp> X-Mailer: Cue version 0.6 (000310-1048/onoe) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="NextPart-20000324172736-0035600" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --NextPart-20000324172736-0035600 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii I've put the ported awi driver from NetBSD current to FreeBSD current. I'm not quite sure about the differences between FreeBSD 4.0 and -current but it will be expected to work on FreeBSD 4.0 as well. Snapshot ftp://onoe2.sm.sony.co.jp/pub/awi/awi-000324.tar.gz Because of lack of support of ifconfig on FreeBSD, only infrastructure mode without specifying ESSID preferences can be selected. DS cards, e.g. BayStack 660, will still be able to communicate with WavePOINT-II at Adelaide, while I cannot attend this time.. Enjoy! Atsushi --NextPart-20000324172736-0035600 Content-Type: Message/rfc822 Return-Path: current-users-owner-onoe=sm.sony.co.jp@netbsd.org Return-Path: Received: from email.sm.sony.co.jp (email.sm.sony.co.jp [43.11.130.2]) by onoe2.sm.sony.co.jp (8.9.0/3.7W) with ESMTP id UAA29801 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:50:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smail1.sm.sony.co.jp (smail1.sm.sony.co.jp [43.11.253.1]) by email.sm.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id UAA13300 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:46:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail3.sony.co.jp ([43.0.1.203]) by smail1.sm.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id UAA24652 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:49:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from ns4.sony.co.jp (firewall-user@inetgw7 [43.0.1.247]) by mail3.sony.co.jp (3.7W99051310c) with ESMTP id UAA00654 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:50:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by ns4.sony.co.jp (02/04/00) with SMTP id UAA62706 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:50:00 +0900 (JST) Received: (qmail 10995 invoked by uid 605); 22 Mar 2000 11:49:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 10985 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 11:49:04 -0000 Received: from onoe2.sm.sony.co.jp (onoe@133.138.10.2) by redmail.netbsd.org with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 11:49:04 -0000 Received: from duplo.sm.sony.co.jp (onoe@localhost) by onoe2.sm.sony.co.jp (8.9.0/3.7W) with ESMTP id UAA29783 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: (from onoe@localhost) by duplo.sm.sony.co.jp (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA00881; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:48:51 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:48:51 +0900 (JST) From: Atsushi Onoe Message-Id: <200003221148.UAA00881@duplo.sm.sony.co.jp> To: current-users@netbsd.org Subject: awi(4) driver supports 802.11 DS cards X-Mailer: Cue version 0.6 (000310-1048/onoe) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: current-users-owner@netbsd.org Precedence: list Delivered-To: current-users@netbsd.org X-UIDL: 11599b59e2d1f3076dd82c28c00cd2f3 I've just commited the updated version of awi driver, which now supports 802.11 DS cards as well as 802.11 FH cards. Tested cards: 802.11 FH 1Mbps BayStack 650 Netwave AirSurfer Plus 802.11 DS 2Mbps BayStack 660 Icom SL-200 Melco WLI-PCM NEL SSMagic Netwave AirSurfer Pro * Netwave AirSurfer Plus/Pro apparently requires updated firmware. Please consult www.nortelnetworks.com with keyword "BayStack 600" 802.11 DS cards can communicate with Lucent WavePOINT-II Access Points (2Mbps, 11Mbps), Apple AirPort Base Station (11Mbps), and Netwave AirSurfer Pro access points (2Mbps), in 2Mbps mode. It supports adhoc mode as well. At least it can connect to adhoc mode of Windows version of BayStack driver. Though I believe it can join existing IBSS, it would fail to make online if there are no IBSS creator since creating IBSS functionality is not implemented yet.. You can enter adhoc mode with "mediaopt adhoc" for ifconfig(8). Also DS cards can communicate with adhoc mode of WaveLAN/IEEE (wi(4)) by adding 'flag0' to adhoc mode, i.e. "mediaopt adhoc,flag0" for ifconfig. Since I don't have enough environment to test with, there would be some problems. Reporting your experiences are welcome. Enjoy, Atsushi --NextPart-20000324172736-0035600-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 2:36:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7119B37B579 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:36:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from calcaphon.com (nhibma01.calcaphon.com [10.0.0.26]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA31155 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:40:10 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Message-ID: <38DB460A.D77C63A@calcaphon.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:40:10 +0000 From: Nick Hibma X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your usbd.conf is out of date. Here I have no problem in disconnecting and connecting it again. - run usbd manually or from /etc/rc.conf (usbd_enable="YES") - make sure your /etc/usbd.conf is up to date. Copy it from /usr/src/etc/ if needed - fetch all mouse input from /dev/sysmouse Your mouse should then pluggable and unpluggable no problem and be usable in X and the consoles at the same time. Or that is the way it works here. If you can't get it to work that way I might have not committed everything. Nick Randy Bush wrote: > > That shouldn't be necessicary is you use moused. One of the really cool > > things about moused is that you can have an arbitrary number of mice > > whose input is aggrigated. Just always run a moused for the builtin and > > have usbd start one on insert (I think it might already.) > > actually, if the usb mouse is unpluggd and then plugged in again, moused > things it is useless, i.e. no action. > > randy > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 2:36:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CBE37B686 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:36:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from calcaphon.com (nhibma01.calcaphon.com [10.0.0.26]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA31132; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:39:14 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Message-ID: <38DB45D2.2A8B1076@calcaphon.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:39:14 +0000 From: Nick Hibma X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis Cc: Randy Bush , FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx References: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> <20000323133517.B22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <20000323141323.B1409@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Moused dies when the filehandle is closed by ums. The CURRENT entry for the ethernet cards is: # The entry for the kue and aue ethernet interface drivers. device "USB ethernet" devname "[ak]ue[0-9]+" attach "dhclient ${DEVNAME}" detach "killall dhclient" Hope this helps. Nick Brooks Davis wrote: > On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:55:37AM +0900, Randy Bush wrote: > > > That shouldn't be necessicary is you use moused. One of the really cool > > > things about moused is that you can have an arbitrary number of mice > > > whose input is aggrigated. Just always run a moused for the builtin and > > > have usbd start one on insert (I think it might already.) > > > > actually, if the usb mouse is unpluggd and then plugged in again, moused > > things it is useless, i.e. no action. > > moused can't be expected to handle reattachment properly, it looks like > the standard entry in usbd.conf doesn't have the necessicary detach > entry. This entierly untested line may do it: > > detach "kill `cat /var/run/moused.$(DEVNAME}.pid`" > > Actually, while I'm looking at the file, I notice that the USB ether net > entry is kinda bogus too. It should probably be: > > device "USB ethernet" > devname "[ack]ue[0-9]+" > attach "dhclient -pf /var/run/dhclient.${DEVNAME}.pid ${DEVNAME}" > detach "kill `cat /var/run/dhclient.${DEVNAME}.pid`" > > Otherwise, if you have a system with multiple devices using dhcp you're > screwed when you remove one of them. > > -- Brooks > > -- > Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 9:17:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C53637B59C for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:17:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA05450 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:47:17 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01390 for mobile@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:17:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:17:04 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm in the market for a new laptop. The single most important feature is display resolution. I've identified the Dell Inspiron 7500 with a 1400x1050 screen, and I'm quite happy with my current Latitude CPi (modulo display resolution), but the Inspiron is a clumsy looking animal, and I'm wondering if there is some other machine with similar resolution which would work well with FreeBSD. Any ideas? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 9:31:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E2137B621 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12YXvQ-0003cR-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:31:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:31:08 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: FreeBSD Laptoppers Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx Message-ID: <20000324123108.B13572@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Laptoppers References: <200003231857.LAA42461@harmony.village.org> <20000323133517.B22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <20000323141323.B1409@orion.ac.hmc.edu> <38DB45D2.2A8B1076@calcaphon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38DB45D2.2A8B1076@calcaphon.com>; from n_hibma@calcaphon.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 10:39:14AM +0000 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nick Hibma probably said: > Moused dies when the filehandle is closed by ums. > > The CURRENT entry for the ethernet cards is: > > # The entry for the kue and aue ethernet interface drivers. > device "USB ethernet" > devname "[ak]ue[0-9]+" > attach "dhclient ${DEVNAME}" > detach "killall dhclient" Errrrm, shouldn't that killall dhclient be more like the dhcp client kill routine in pccard_ether_remove (not that that is perfect, but it's better) ? If I was using a pcmcia network card with dhcp while testing a usb ether interface I'd not want removing the usb device to kill my pcmcia dhclient. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 9:38:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF74C37B71D for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:38:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: (qmail 3940 invoked by alias); 24 Mar 2000 17:38:27 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-mobile@FreeBSD.org@fixme Received: (qmail 3911 invoked by uid 0); 24 Mar 2000 17:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.cybcon.com) (63.163.56.69) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 17:38:26 -0000 Content-Length: 1175 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:38:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: bwoods2@uswest.net From: William Woods To: Greg Lehey Subject: RE: What laptop should I buy? Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Grep, I am useing a IBM Thinkpad 600E right now, I lovre it. works great with FreeBSD 4.0-stable. I am in X right now at 1024X768 with no probs. On 24-Mar-00 Greg Lehey wrote: > I'm in the market for a new laptop. The single most important feature > is display resolution. I've identified the Dell Inspiron 7500 with a > 1400x1050 screen, and I'm quite happy with my current Latitude CPi > (modulo display resolution), but the Inspiron is a clumsy looking > animal, and I'm wondering if there is some other machine with similar > resolution which would work well with FreeBSD. Any ideas? > > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: bwoods2@uswest.net Date: 24-Mar-00 Time: 09:37:13l ---------------------------------- NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 9:43:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mg134-072.ricochet.net [204.179.134.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D9937B5B5 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00745; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:46:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003241746.JAA00745@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:17:04 PST." <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:46:38 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm in the market for a new laptop. The single most important feature > is display resolution. I've identified the Dell Inspiron 7500 with a > 1400x1050 screen, and I'm quite happy with my current Latitude CPi > (modulo display resolution), but the Inspiron is a clumsy looking > animal, and I'm wondering if there is some other machine with similar > resolution which would work well with FreeBSD. Any ideas? No. I went through this exercise last year, and the i7500 is the only system that's actually shipping with a megapel display AFAIWATE. The IBM Thinkpad 770Z was advertised but never appears to have actually shipped with the 1280x1024 display. You're correct though, the i7500 is a monster, and may be more deadweight than you're willing to carry around. On the flipside, apart from the disk it's a very capable system. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10: 7:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C018737BACA for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05507; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:37:05 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01741; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:06:51 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: bwoods2@uswest.net Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324100651.E1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from wwoods@cybcon.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 09:38:24AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 9:38:24 -0800, William Woods wrote: > On 24-Mar-00 Greg Lehey wrote: >> I'm in the market for a new laptop. The single most important feature >> is display resolution. I've identified the Dell Inspiron 7500 with a >> 1400x1050 screen, and I'm quite happy with my current Latitude CPi >> (modulo display resolution), but the Inspiron is a clumsy looking >> animal, and I'm wondering if there is some other machine with similar >> resolution which would work well with FreeBSD. Any ideas? > > Grep, :-) > I am useing a IBM Thinkpad 600E right now, I lovre it. works great > with FreeBSD 4.0-stable. I am in X right now at 1024X768 with no > probs. Right, but that's what my current laptop has. I'm looking for higher resolution. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10: 9:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0D337B97C; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:09:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05511; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 04:38:47 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01778; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:08:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:08:33 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324100833.F1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <200003241746.JAA00745@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003241746.JAA00745@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 09:46:38AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 9:46:38 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> I'm in the market for a new laptop. The single most important feature >> is display resolution. I've identified the Dell Inspiron 7500 with a >> 1400x1050 screen, and I'm quite happy with my current Latitude CPi >> (modulo display resolution), but the Inspiron is a clumsy looking >> animal, and I'm wondering if there is some other machine with similar >> resolution which would work well with FreeBSD. Any ideas? > > No. I went through this exercise last year, and the i7500 is the only > system that's actually shipping with a megapel display AFAIWATE. The IBM > Thinkpad 770Z was advertised but never appears to have actually shipped > with the 1280x1024 display. Thanks. > You're correct though, the i7500 is a monster, and may be more deadweight > than you're willing to carry around. On the flipside, apart from the > disk it's a very capable system. What gets me with the Inspiron is less its weight (I'm a big bloke after all), but it seems so completely lacking in style. The Latitude is a nice box by comparison, but for some reason they don't want to fit the big display on it. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10:12:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95ECA37B71D for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:12:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from calcaphon.com (nhibma01.calcaphon.com [10.0.0.26]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA44311 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:16:26 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Message-ID: <38DBB0FB.E822528C@calcaphon.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:16:27 +0000 From: Nick Hibma X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First of all the generic case does not cover for that, no. Second, it isn't possible to have more than one dhcpclient running (try it! I've tried the kue interface on the laptop with a ep0 card as well :-). The trouble is that you then will have to figure out which interfaces need to be managed by dhclient, so you are looking at more trouble than I was willing to handle. In general killing the dhclient is The Right Thing (tm). Nick Peter Radcliffe wrote: > > Nick Hibma probably said: > > Moused dies when the filehandle is closed by ums. > > > > The CURRENT entry for the ethernet cards is: > > > > # The entry for the kue and aue ethernet interface drivers. > > device "USB ethernet" > > devname "[ak]ue[0-9]+" > > attach "dhclient ${DEVNAME}" > > detach "killall dhclient" > > Errrrm, shouldn't that killall dhclient be more like the dhcp client > kill routine in pccard_ether_remove (not that that is perfect, but it's > better) ? > > If I was using a pcmcia network card with dhcp while testing a usb > ether interface I'd not want removing the usb device to kill > my pcmcia dhclient. > > P. > > -- > pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10:17: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mg134-072.ricochet.net [204.179.134.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AF437B757 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:17:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00932; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003241820.KAA00932@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:08:33 PST." <20000324100833.F1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:20:07 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > You're correct though, the i7500 is a monster, and may be more deadweight > > than you're willing to carry around. On the flipside, apart from the > > disk it's a very capable system. > > What gets me with the Inspiron is less its weight (I'm a big bloke > after all), but it seems so completely lacking in style. The Latitude > is a nice box by comparison, but for some reason they don't want to > fit the big display on it. I have to say that I spend more time looking at the screen than actually admiring the system as a work of art, so that hasn't really fazed me. If style is an issue, get a Vaio or some other pepsi-inspired product. If, OTOH, you want a system to work on, the i7500 will probably meet your needs. 8) -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10:21:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBD037B95D for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12YYiN-0003wJ-00 for mobile@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:21:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:21:42 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324132142.D13572@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: mobile@FreeBSD.org References: <20000324100833.F1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <200003241820.KAA00932@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003241820.KAA00932@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 10:20:07AM -0800 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith probably said: > If style is an issue, get a Vaio or some other pepsi-inspired product. > If, OTOH, you want a system to work on, the i7500 will probably meet your > needs. 8) Meeeeeooow :) (one of the reasons I bought an ultraslim vaio was so I would work on a plane, after seeing people with the larger laptops not be able to put it in their knees/table and open the screen far enough to see it without it hitting the seat in front). P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10:24:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF7B37B77F; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 22FD31C64; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:24:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:24:08 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Smith Cc: Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324132408.X25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <200003241746.JAA00745@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003241746.JAA00745@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 09:46:38AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 09:46:38AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > No. I went through this exercise last year, and the i7500 is the only > system that's actually shipping with a megapel display AFAIWATE. The IBM > Thinkpad 770Z was advertised but never appears to have actually shipped > with the 1280x1024 display. > > You're correct though, the i7500 is a monster, and may be more deadweight > than you're willing to carry around. On the flipside, apart from the > disk it's a very capable system. From what I understand, the Inspiron's are remarked Quantex laptops. I could be wrong, but you may be able to get a better deal / more options through Quantex. Before I got my laptop (latitude) from CHC, my primary computer (at home) was a Quantex PC, and they really do have good service and such. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10:31:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sv013040.snfp.r5.fs.fed.us (sv013040.snfp.r5.fs.fed.us [166.5.13.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF3337B95D for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:31:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from onemo@jps.net) Received: from mercury ([166.5.14.210]) by sv013040.snfp.r5.fs.fed.us (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id KAA38996 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:31:30 -0800 Message-ID: <003801bf95be$a2b8ad00$d20e05a6@snfp.r5.fs.fed.us> From: "ONE-MO Communications" To: Subject: xe0 driver in 4.0 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:20:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF957A.89E68D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF957A.89E68D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I posted a message to the FreeBSD-Xircom mailing list regarding the = state of the xe0 driver in 4.0. Scott Mitchell indicated that the driver = was dependent upon some "cleanup" of pccardd that was in the works. Has = this been completed? I have an Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 Mobile 16 card which fails with the = error reported in PR17515. As I stated in the message to the Xircom = list: if necessary, I can lend my adapter to whoever's doing this work = for a short time. Thanks, MO ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF957A.89E68D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I posted a message to the = FreeBSD-Xircom mailing=20 list regarding the state of the xe0 driver in 4.0. Scott Mitchell = indicated that=20 the driver was dependent upon some "cleanup" of pccardd that was in the = works.=20 Has this been completed?
 
I have an Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 = Mobile 16 card=20 which fails with the error reported in PR17515. As I stated in the = message to=20 the Xircom list: if necessary, I can lend my adapter to whoever's doing = this=20 work for a short time.
 
Thanks,
MO
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Message-ID: <20000324103440.H1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <20000324100833.F1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <200003241820.KAA00932@mass.cdrom.com> <20000324132142.D13572@pir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000324132142.D13572@pir.net>; from pir@pir.net on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:21:42PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 13:21:42 -0500, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > Mike Smith probably said: >> If style is an issue, get a Vaio or some other pepsi-inspired product. >> If, OTOH, you want a system to work on, the i7500 will probably meet your >> needs. 8) > > Meeeeeooow :) > > (one of the reasons I bought an ultraslim vaio was so I would work on > a plane, after seeing people with the larger laptops not be able to > put it in their knees/table and open the screen far enough to see it > without it hitting the seat in front). Good point. I'm taking the opposite approach: I explain to the moneygivers that a transpacific flight in economy class means that I can't do any work, so they should send me business class :-) Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10:41:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E836737BA55; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:41:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05548; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 05:11:13 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02008; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:40:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:40:46 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Mike Smith , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324104046.I1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <200003241746.JAA00745@mass.cdrom.com> <20000324132408.X25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000324132408.X25438@jade.chc-chimes.com>; from billf@chc-chimes.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:24:08PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 13:24:08 -0500, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 09:46:38AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > >> No. I went through this exercise last year, and the i7500 is the only >> system that's actually shipping with a megapel display AFAIWATE. The IBM >> Thinkpad 770Z was advertised but never appears to have actually shipped >> with the 1280x1024 display. >> >> You're correct though, the i7500 is a monster, and may be more deadweight >> than you're willing to carry around. On the flipside, apart from the >> disk it's a very capable system. > >> From what I understand, the Inspiron's are remarked Quantex laptops. I could > be wrong, but you may be able to get a better deal / more options through > Quantex. > > Before I got my laptop (latitude) from CHC, my primary computer (at home) was > a Quantex PC, and they really do have good service and such. Thanks for the hint. I checked out http://www.quantex.com/store/qonline/customize.asp?model=04w35, but there's no choice of display, and they don't say what the resolution of the display is (why do they give the dimensions? Who cares if it's 15" or 15.2"?) Given the price I'd assume that it's a 1024x768. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10:43:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D5437BA11 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0359B15A; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id KAA29270; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id KAA10266; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:42:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003241842.KAA10266@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Greg Lehey , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:24:08 PST." <20000324132408.X25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:42:26 PST From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Fumerola wrote: > From what I understand, the Inspiron's are remarked Quantex laptops. I could > be wrong, but you may be able to get a better deal / more options through > Quantex. On comp.sys.laptops, people say that the Inspiron is a remarked Compal (http://www.compal.com). However, Compal doesn't sell to end-users. (Perhaps Quantex also sells Compal laptops?) -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 10:47:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A30B37B9B3 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:47:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (net-093143.cho.cstone.net [209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:42:15 -0500 Message-ID: <38DBB83B.BBA4FAFC@cstone.net> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:47:23 -0500 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darryl Okahata Cc: Bill Fumerola , Greg Lehey , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? References: <200003241842.KAA10266@mina.sr.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Darryl Okahata wrote: > > Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > From what I understand, the Inspiron's are remarked Quantex laptops. I could > > be wrong, but you may be able to get a better deal / more options through > > Quantex. > > On comp.sys.laptops, people say that the Inspiron is a remarked > Compal (http://www.compal.com). However, Compal doesn't sell to > end-users. (Perhaps Quantex also sells Compal laptops?) That's the case, IIRC. I own a Quantex laptop. I loved their desktops, but a word of warning - their ordering mechanism is BROKEN, and they can't seem to fix it. It takes forever to get an order through. They're pretty good other then that and the fact that they don't document well what they're selling you. If I got another laptop it would not be through Quantex. If I got another pre-built desktop it probably would be. SeanMike -- Sean Michael Whipkey Operations and Systems Administrator MrGoodbucks.com - 804.244.7192 http://www.mrgoodbucks.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 11: 0: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E89B37B990; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:59:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E97B1; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id KAA00855; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id KAA10439; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:59:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003241859.KAA10439@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Greg Lehey Cc: Mike Smith , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:08:33 PST." <20000324100833.F1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:59:11 PST From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > What gets me with the Inspiron is less its weight (I'm a big bloke > after all), but it seems so completely lacking in style. The Latitude > is a nice box by comparison, but for some reason they don't want to > fit the big display on it. As Mike said, the 7500 is a great workhorse, but FreeBSD doesn't support the Maestro-2E sound chipset used by it (the OSS drivers also don't work with 4.0-RELEASE and later). If you don't care about sound, great; if you do, you'll have to wait a while. I, too, have a 7500, and have been very happy with it. You'll want to check the -mobile archives and do a search for "Inspiron". A lot of this has already been hashed and rehashed. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 11: 3:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8625537B77F for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:03:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0979A5; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id LAA01157; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id LAA10543; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:02:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003241902.LAA10543@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: Greg Lehey , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:47:23 PST." <38DBB83B.BBA4FAFC@cstone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:02:05 PST From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > I loved their desktops, but a word of warning - their ordering mechanism > is BROKEN, and they can't seem to fix it. It takes forever to get an > order through. When I got my 7500, Dell gave me a shipping estimate of two (2) months. However, it arrived in just over two weeks. That was an unexpected, but very pleasant, surprise. I don't know what the current delivery times are, though. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 11: 6:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.medianstrip.net (host30.thirteen.net [206.113.38.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0FE37B663 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@medianstrip.net) Received: by smtp1.medianstrip.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3B90559A4; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:06:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:06:05 -0500 From: mike ryan To: Theo PAGTZIS Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with PAO3.4 and wavelan turbo silver Message-ID: <20000324140605.A76996@medianstrip.net> References: <1247.953922838@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <1247.953922838@cs.ucl.ac.uk>; from T.Pagtzis@cs.ucl.ac.uk on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:33:58PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org on Mar 24, Theo PAGTZIS wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am sending you a report of my problem as directed. I have a Wavelan turbo > 11Mbps silver wireless interface that I am trying to bring up through a vadem > ISA bridge. Is there anything you can do to help me resolve the problem? this looks similar to a problem i had recently with the same vadem bridge running on 4.0-RELEASE: the dumpcis output looks like garbage. in my case, "pccardc rdattr 0 0 2000 | xxd -r | hd" suggested that the problem was a memory address conflict with my pci symbios scsi card, and changing the iomem base of the pcic device in my kernel config and rc.conf solved the problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 11:13: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528A137B77F; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:12:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05579; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 05:42:30 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02341; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:12:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:12:12 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Darryl Okahata Cc: Mike Smith , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324111211.L1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <20000324100833.F1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <200003241859.KAA10439@mina.sr.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003241859.KAA10439@mina.sr.hp.com>; from darrylo@sr.hp.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 10:59:11AM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 10:59:11 -0800, Darryl Okahata wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> What gets me with the Inspiron is less its weight (I'm a big bloke >> after all), but it seems so completely lacking in style. The Latitude >> is a nice box by comparison, but for some reason they don't want to >> fit the big display on it. > > As Mike said, the 7500 is a great workhorse, but FreeBSD doesn't > support the Maestro-2E sound chipset used by it (the OSS drivers also > don't work with 4.0-RELEASE and later). If you don't care about sound, > great; if you do, you'll have to wait a while. > > I, too, have a 7500, and have been very happy with it. > > You'll want to check the -mobile archives and do a search for > "Inspiron". A lot of this has already been hashed and rehashed. Right. I know about the Inspiron, but I was rather put off by the appearance. If it's the only game in town, that decides it. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 11:54:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from main.avias.com (avias-gw.corbina.net [195.14.40.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B2837B511 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:54:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@avias.com) Received: from dialup2.avias.com (dialup2.avias.com [195.14.38.69]) by main.avias.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17899; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:53:27 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from j@avias.com) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:53:54 +0300 (MSK) From: Juriy Goloveshkin X-Sender: juriy@localhost To: Soren Schmidt Cc: Warner Losh , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pcmcia CDROM pscd-740 In-Reply-To: <200003240744.IAA39209@freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Warner Losh wrote: > > : : 497 if (cdp->slot != cdp->changer_info->current_slot) { > > : : 498 acd_select_slot(cdp); > > : : 499 tsleep(&cdp->changer_info, PRIBIO, "acdopn", 0); > > : : 500 } > > Just committed the fix for this bummer.... thank you all! it works now Bye Juriy Goloveshkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 12:25:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CB937B77F for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C14E9196; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:25:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:25:22 -0800 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: Greg Lehey Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324122522.A47002@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson References: <20000324100833.F1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <200003241859.KAA10439@mina.sr.hp.com> <20000324111211.L1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000324111211.L1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:12:12AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.4-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (79% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 12:20PM up 1 day, 14:14, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Greg Lehey was heard blurting out: > On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 10:59:11 -0800, Darryl Okahata wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > > > >> What gets me with the Inspiron is less its weight (I'm a big bloke > >> after all), but it seems so completely lacking in style. The Latitude > >> is a nice box by comparison, but for some reason they don't want to > >> fit the big display on it. > > > > As Mike said, the 7500 is a great workhorse, but FreeBSD doesn't > > support the Maestro-2E sound chipset used by it (the OSS drivers also > > don't work with 4.0-RELEASE and later). If you don't care about sound, > > great; if you do, you'll have to wait a while. > > > > I, too, have a 7500, and have been very happy with it. > > > > You'll want to check the -mobile archives and do a search for > > "Inspiron". A lot of this has already been hashed and rehashed. > > Right. I know about the Inspiron, but I was rather put off by the > appearance. If it's the only game in town, that decides it. > Well I have a Fujitsu E-360 Lifebook. Here is the Specs P2 333Mhz 64 Megs of Mem Trident Video Running at 1024x768 16bpp 13.1 screen 6Gig HD Supported sound Supported PCMCIA Using it now. Works all great under 4.x TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------- I haven't lost my mind,......... it's backed up on a disk somewhere. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 12:43:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D686137B684; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:43:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA33295; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Mike Smith Cc: Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:20:07 PST." <200003241820.KAA00932@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:43:37 -0800 Message-ID: <33292.953930617@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If style is an issue, get a Vaio or some other pepsi-inspired product. > If, OTOH, you want a system to work on, the i7500 will probably meet your > needs. 8) Oi! *Whap* :-) I have done quite a bit of productive work on my Z505sx and just wanted to say that there are VAIOs and there are VAIOs. The P5/300 boxes with the really good battery life and working modem are cool but the keyboard is noticably smaller than on the newer models like mine (I just have lousy battery life and a nowinmodem as the downsides. :) and you should really try the bigger form-factor before passing full judgement on the VAIO as a working man's laptop. Sure it's a geek fashion statement, but I get far more useful work done on my VAIO than I have on any of my previous laptops. Being light, I'm actually willing to take it places, for one thing. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 12:50: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B57E37B7B8; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05477; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:49:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:43:37 PST." <33292.953930617@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:49:23 +0100 Message-ID: <5475.953930963@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <33292.953930617@zippy.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >Sure it's a geek fashion statement, but I get far more useful work >done on my VAIO than I have on any of my previous laptops. Being >light, I'm actually willing to take it places, for one thing. :) > >- Jordan Ever since I got the first "critter" in 1994, it has been obvious to me, that the weight is a far more important parameter in a laptop than screen resolution or battery life. After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? My current H-P Omnibook 800 is getting a bit tight around my shoulders and I'm contemplating an upgrade, currently I think the H-P Omnibook 900 is a strong candidate, but if anybody has any good recommendation for machines in the 2kg (4 lbs) class I'm all ears. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 12:58:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCED37B9DF; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA13660; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:58:14 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324125814.S95709@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <200003241820.KAA00932@mass.cdrom.com> <33292.953930617@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <33292.953930617@zippy.cdrom.com>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:43:37PM -0800 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:43:37PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > If style is an issue, get a Vaio or some other pepsi-inspired product. > > If, OTOH, you want a system to work on, the i7500 will probably meet your > > needs. 8) > > Oi! *Whap* :-) > > I have done quite a bit of productive work on my Z505sx and just > wanted to say that there are VAIOs and there are VAIOs. The P5/300 > boxes with the really good battery life and working modem are cool but > the keyboard is noticably smaller than on the newer models like mine > (I just have lousy battery life and a nowinmodem as the downsides. :) > and you should really try the bigger form-factor before passing full > judgement on the VAIO as a working man's laptop. My Vaio Z505R is the best notebook I ever owned (always taking into account technology at that time). Nice screen (not the size Greg wants). FreeBSD runs very great on it. And 5 to 5.5 hours of battery life (tested) is just great. > > Sure it's a geek fashion statement, but I get far more useful work > done on my VAIO than I have on any of my previous laptops. Being > light, I'm actually willing to take it places, for one thing. :) > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 12:59:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CB637B94A; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:59:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA42069; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:59:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:49:23 +0100." <5475.953930963@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:59:32 -0800 Message-ID: <42024.953931572@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My current H-P Omnibook 800 is getting a bit tight around my > shoulders and I'm contemplating an upgrade, currently I think the > H-P Omnibook 900 is a strong candidate, but if anybody has any good > recommendation for machines in the 2kg (4 lbs) class I'm all ears. Look at the new VAIO PCGX1 or whatever the thing is called. They're really sweet; a bit bigger than your original critter, but far more capable. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 12:59:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC7F37B542; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:59:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04191; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:59:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09850; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:59:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:59:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <5475.953930963@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <33292.953930617@zippy.cdrom.com> <5475.953930963@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Sure it's a geek fashion statement, but I get far more useful work > >done on my VAIO than I have on any of my previous laptops. Being > >light, I'm actually willing to take it places, for one thing. :) > > Ever since I got the first "critter" in 1994, it has been obvious > to me, that the weight is a far more important parameter in a laptop > than screen resolution or battery life. Agreed. > After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was > to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? *grin* > My current H-P Omnibook 800 is getting a bit tight around my > shoulders and I'm contemplating an upgrade, currently I think the > H-P Omnibook 900 is a strong candidate, but if anybody has any good > recommendation for machines in the 2kg (4 lbs) class I'm all ears. No suprise here, but the IBM 570 should be a contender. And, if you don't mind another pound (I don't), the 5lb 600E is highly recommended as well. I own the latter (bought my own recently), and had the previous model of the 570 (560) at my former employer. I *love* IBM Thinkpads. Unfortunately, they're a bit spendy, but IMO well worth it in terms or ruggedness and the best keyboard of any laptop. (Plus, they don't use those silly touch-pads...) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13: 3:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C42F37B684; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:03:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA55534; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:03:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: ulf@Alameda.net Cc: Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:58:14 PST." <20000324125814.S95709@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:03:16 -0800 Message-ID: <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > wants). FreeBSD runs very great on it. And 5 to 5.5 hours of battery > life (tested) is just great. *5* hours? Ulf, YOU SUCK. :-) Seriously, how are you managing this? I thought the 505R was just a 505sx in slightly new (and cheaper) clothes. You have some amazing 6X battery? I heard even the triple-life battery lasted only 3 hours tops, and it already costs $399 which is a bit steep or I'd have one already. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D0537B74E; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:08:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28555; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:08:03 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:08:02 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Nate Williams Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Nate Williams wrote: > > >Sure it's a geek fashion statement, but I get far more useful work > > >done on my VAIO than I have on any of my previous laptops. Being > > >light, I'm actually willing to take it places, for one thing. :) > > > > Ever since I got the first "critter" in 1994, it has been obvious > > to me, that the weight is a far more important parameter in a laptop > > than screen resolution or battery life. > > Agreed. I guess I'm doing the opposite since I need a desktop replacement when I travel. > > After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was > > to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? > > *grin* > > > My current H-P Omnibook 800 is getting a bit tight around my > > shoulders and I'm contemplating an upgrade, currently I think the > > H-P Omnibook 900 is a strong candidate, but if anybody has any good > > recommendation for machines in the 2kg (4 lbs) class I'm all ears. > > No suprise here, but the IBM 570 should be a contender. And, if you > don't mind another pound (I don't), the 5lb 600E is highly recommended > as well. I own the latter (bought my own recently), and had the > previous model of the 570 (560) at my former employer. Yep, for the weight, the 570, 600 are pretty good. > I *love* IBM Thinkpads. Unfortunately, they're a bit spendy, but IMO > well worth it in terms or ruggedness and the best keyboard of any > laptop. Me too. I'm just waiting for the 770Z replacement since that's what I have now. The older ThinkPad models seems to have better keyboards than the newer ones though. > (Plus, they don't use those silly touch-pads...) That's the primary reason I got the ThinkPad is because of the Trackpoint. While both Toshiba and Compaq has it too, I didn't like those machines as much as the TP itself. Except the experience with this 770Z hasn't been that great. The ROM lost the serial number after one week of usage so they replaced the mainboard. Otherwise, the machine has been serving me well the last 10 months. Just a bit on the expensive side since I spent close to $5k for this thing but atleast I get my work done. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13: 8:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045C137B542; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:08:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA13763; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:08:17 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324130816.T95709@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <20000324125814.S95709@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:03:16PM -0800 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:03:16PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > wants). FreeBSD runs very great on it. And 5 to 5.5 hours of battery > > life (tested) is just great. > > *5* hours? Ulf, YOU SUCK. :-) Seriously, how are you managing this? > I thought the 505R was just a 505sx in slightly new (and cheaper) > clothes. You have some amazing 6X battery? I heard even the > triple-life battery lasted only 3 hours tops, and it already costs > $399 which is a bit steep or I'd have one already. I have the triple battery and I tried it out, having X11 running, a few xterms and web browser. Not to much disk activity, no external attached devices (USB, pcmcia, etc) The Triple battery is rated at 5.5 hours for the S/R as far I know, 5 hours for the SX/RX. > > - Jordan -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13: 9:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mg134-072.ricochet.net [204.179.134.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8673E37B511; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01676; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:11:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:59:23 MST." <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:11:48 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was > > to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? > > *grin* Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real work on? I don't seem to have any problems lugging an i7500 around, and I swear that it's _nice_ having something that feels close to desktop screen size to work on. Not to mention the screen envy that all those Techno-Bill wannabes feel... 8) -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:11:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mg134-072.ricochet.net [204.179.134.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C4937B9DF; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01694; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:13:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003242113.NAA01694@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:03:16 PST." <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:13:39 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > wants). FreeBSD runs very great on it. And 5 to 5.5 hours of battery > > life (tested) is just great. > > *5* hours? Ulf, YOU SUCK. :-) Seriously, how are you managing this? > I thought the 505R was just a 505sx in slightly new (and cheaper) > clothes. You have some amazing 6X battery? I heard even the > triple-life battery lasted only 3 hours tops, and it already costs > $399 which is a bit steep or I'd have one already. Stock battery in the i7500: Battery status: high Remaining battery life: 100% Remaining battery time: 3:20:00 I can vouch that the estimate is about right, too. 8) -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:12: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EDA37B5EE; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.freebsd.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05694; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:11:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Mike Smith Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:11:48 PST." <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:11:49 +0100 Message-ID: <5692.953932309@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: >> > After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was >> > to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? >> >> *grin* > >Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real >work on? > >I don't seem to have any problems lugging an i7500 around, and I swear >that it's _nice_ having something that feels close to desktop screen size >to work on. Not to mention the screen envy that all those Techno-Bill >wannabes feel... 8) I generally find that a traveling configuration over 5 lbs is to heavy to carry in my back-pack "by default". -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:12:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB99137BA55; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04359; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09993; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242112.OAA09993@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Vincent Poy Cc: Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: References: <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > >Sure it's a geek fashion statement, but I get far more useful work > > > >done on my VAIO than I have on any of my previous laptops. Being > > > >light, I'm actually willing to take it places, for one thing. :) > > > > > > Ever since I got the first "critter" in 1994, it has been obvious > > > to me, that the weight is a far more important parameter in a laptop > > > than screen resolution or battery life. > > > > Agreed. > > I guess I'm doing the opposite since I need a desktop replacement > when I travel. My 600 works pretty well as a desktop replacement. I've got it loaded with a 10GB disk, it's hooked through my dock to an external keyboard/mouse, and hooked up to my 19" monitor which does 1024x768 quite nicely. :) > > I *love* IBM Thinkpads. Unfortunately, they're a bit spendy, but IMO > > well worth it in terms or ruggedness and the best keyboard of any > > laptop. > > Me too. I'm just waiting for the 770Z replacement since that's > what I have now. The older ThinkPad models seems to have better keyboards > than the newer ones though. > > > (Plus, they don't use those silly touch-pads...) > > That's the primary reason I got the ThinkPad is because of the > Trackpoint. While both Toshiba and Compaq has it too, I didn't like those > machines as much as the TP itself. Except the experience with this 770Z > hasn't been that great. The ROM lost the serial number after one week of > usage so they replaced the mainboard. Otherwise, the machine has been > serving me well the last 10 months. Just a bit on the expensive side > since I spent close to $5k for this thing but atleast I get my work done. *Ouch* I bought my Thinkpad on E-Bay for $3K. PII-400, 192MB memory, 10GB disk, and a DVD. About $1800 cheaper than buying it retail, and the warranty was still good (I checked with IBM before buying it). I will admit it was a bit scarey giving the UPS guy a check for that much w/out being able to see the machine, but in the end it worked out for me... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:13:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4810337B511; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:13:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04389; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10030; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:13:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:13:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242113.OAA10030@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> References: <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was > > > to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? > > > > *grin* > > Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real > work on? You can compromise and get a 13" screen that'll do 1024x768, which is (IMO) plenty big to get enough work done. :) :) :) > I don't seem to have any problems lugging an i7500 around That's because your a studly young whipper-snapper, who doesn't know any better. *grin* Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:14:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6564537B9F3; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28652; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:14:16 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:14:16 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > > After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was > > > to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? > > > > *grin* > > Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real > work on? Very true indeed. I don't know, I guess I want access to everything when I am not at home. > I don't seem to have any problems lugging an i7500 around, and I swear > that it's _nice_ having something that feels close to desktop screen size > to work on. Not to mention the screen envy that all those Techno-Bill > wannabes feel... 8) The i7500 isn't really that heavy. It's the carry cases that are what makes the notebook heavier than it really is. My 770Z is less than 7 pounds but the ThinkPad case is another 6 pounds. Even though the 770Z I have is only 13.7" but the screen does 1280x1024 and works great for DVD's when I need a break from all that work. =) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:18: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6C837BC3D; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA13886; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:17:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:17:41 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324131740.U95709@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <20000324125814.S95709@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:03:16PM -0800 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:03:16PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > wants). FreeBSD runs very great on it. And 5 to 5.5 hours of battery > > life (tested) is just great. > > *5* hours? Ulf, YOU SUCK. :-) Seriously, how are you managing this? > I thought the 505R was just a 505sx in slightly new (and cheaper) > clothes. You have some amazing 6X battery? I heard even the > triple-life battery lasted only 3 hours tops, and it already costs > $399 which is a bit steep or I'd have one already. Btw, I could probably get you that battery for $325, if you want. > > - Jordan -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:18:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A441537B9DF for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:18:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27332; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:18:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:18:10 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <200003242118.NAA27332@kithrup.com> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242111.NAA01676.kithrup.freebsd.mobile@mass.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:59:23 MST." <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <200003242111.NAA01676.kithrup.freebsd.mobile@mass.cdrom.com> you write: >Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real >work on? My screen is 1024x768x16, and I'm quite happy with it, it turns out. The 1024x768 is too small for my tastes, but using fvwm and four "virtual desktops" usually solves that particular problem. Although I have my laptop set up to do development, its main use is as an X terminal (and jukebox, now that I've gotten sound working [although I had to get a cdd binary from 3.4 since the port is hopelessly broken now :(]). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:19:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA59437B66A; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28711; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:19:32 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:19:32 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Nate Williams Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242112.OAA09993@nomad.yogotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Nate Williams wrote: > > I guess I'm doing the opposite since I need a desktop replacement > > when I travel. > > My 600 works pretty well as a desktop replacement. I've got it loaded > with a 10GB disk, it's hooked through my dock to an external > keyboard/mouse, and hooked up to my 19" monitor which does 1024x768 > quite nicely. :) Pretty neat setup. Mines has 320mb RAM, I think your 600 can handle more than my 770Z can in terms of memory. With a 14.1GB HDD, the 13.7" 1280x1024 LCD. Maybe the next thing I need is a docking station. =) > > > I *love* IBM Thinkpads. Unfortunately, they're a bit spendy, but IMO > > > well worth it in terms or ruggedness and the best keyboard of any > > > laptop. > > > > Me too. I'm just waiting for the 770Z replacement since that's > > what I have now. The older ThinkPad models seems to have better keyboards > > than the newer ones though. > > > > > (Plus, they don't use those silly touch-pads...) > > > > That's the primary reason I got the ThinkPad is because of the > > Trackpoint. While both Toshiba and Compaq has it too, I didn't like those > > machines as much as the TP itself. Except the experience with this 770Z > > hasn't been that great. The ROM lost the serial number after one week of > > usage so they replaced the mainboard. Otherwise, the machine has been > > serving me well the last 10 months. Just a bit on the expensive side > > since I spent close to $5k for this thing but atleast I get my work done. > > *Ouch* I bought my Thinkpad on E-Bay for $3K. PII-400, 192MB memory, > 10GB disk, and a DVD. About $1800 cheaper than buying it retail, and > the warranty was still good (I checked with IBM before buying it). My problem is that no stores here in San Francisco has anything above the i series in stock. So I had to take my chance and order from Mail Order without knowing what the machine looks like or feels like. Mines was for $4699, which was $200 less than what the current charges were then. IBM did give me a $500 rebate by mail. > I will admit it was a bit scarey giving the UPS guy a check for that > much w/out being able to see the machine, but in the end it worked out > for me... I know but atleast you were a little better off than I was. I was charged the close to $5000 ($4699+$79 for the case) to my credit card as soon as it was shipped without knowing what the machine looked or felt like. I never knew the 770Z had a external disk drive that had to be either hooked up externally by cable or swapped with the DVD. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:23:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4630237BBEE; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:23:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28775; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:23:24 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:23:24 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Nate Williams Cc: Mike Smith , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242113.OAA10030@nomad.yogotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Nate Williams wrote: > You can compromise and get a 13" screen that'll do 1024x768, which is > (IMO) plenty big to get enough work done. :) :) :) I remember the days on the IBM ThinkPad 385ED 12" 1024x768 screen. It wasn't that bad except the 2GB HD was running out of room. So time for the 770Z! =) > > I don't seem to have any problems lugging an i7500 around > > That's because your a studly young whipper-snapper, who doesn't know any > better. *grin* The i7500 I think is even heavier than the i7000 my friend has. That one already is heavy enough as it is (9 lbs I think?). My 770Z gets heavy after carrying it for a few blocks. It's probably due to the bag being 6 lbs alone, with the machine being 7 to make it 13 total. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:25:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B217A37B5EE for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:25:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hpaul@elvis.mu.org) Received: (from hpaul@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA75393; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:26:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hpaul) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:26:39 -0600 (CST) From: "H. Paul Hammann" To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <5475.953930963@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <33292.953930617@zippy.cdrom.com> <5475.953930963@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14555.56594.820070.86755@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > My current H-P Omnibook 800 is getting a bit tight around my > shoulders and I'm contemplating an upgrade, currently I think the > H-P Omnibook 900 is a strong candidate, but if anybody has any good > recommendation for machines in the 2kg (4 lbs) class I'm all ears. I'd recommend the HP OmniBook 900b The things I like about it are: 1. At 4 pounds it is reasonably light. 2. ATI Mobility video, this has enough memory to drive an external monitor at a reasonably high resolution. It's also supported under XFree86 3.3.6 and 4.0. 3. Built in serial port. I dislike needing an external 'dongle' to use the serial port. Since I use this laptop for interfacing to machine consoles on a frequent basis, this is important. 4. The built in screen is 13.3 inches, which is large enough for me and pretty good for a 4 pound notebook. Just my $0.02 worth. Regards, H. Paul Hammann hpaul@hammann.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:29:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from www.minix.cx (massive.geek.edu [216.73.11.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A062937BB9B for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jontow@www.minix.cx) Received: (from jontow@localhost) by www.minix.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12988 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:30:38 GMT (envelope-from jontow) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:30:37 +0000 From: Jonathan Towne To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:14:16AM -1000, Vincent Poy scribbled: # On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote: # # > > > After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was # > > > to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? # > > # > > *grin* # > # > Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real # > work on? # # Very true indeed. I don't know, I guess I want access to # everything when I am not at home. I really don't have a problem using my Libretto 50ct, granted, its EXTREMELY tiny, having a 6" screen, and about 1.5hrs of battery life with the elderly lithium ion battery that i've got.. there are plans out there for up to 14hrs of battery life.. Luigi appears to have submitted the plans for the 8hr one.. :) Aside from battery life, its the most portable i've seen, and, in general, not too terribly uncomfortable.. only thing i don't like about it, is that it doesn't charge when running (this is fixed in the 60ct and newer).. and, of course, i'm having a terrible time getting *cringe and hide* linux to be able to use the floppy drive. (Yes, i'm "forced" to use linux on it.. freebsd doesn't like my modem/ethernet combo card, nor the cdrom, linux happily uses both to their full extent..) -- - Jonathan Towne wrongway@slic.com - System/Network Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:30:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C972937BACB; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:30:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B0D331C64; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:30:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:30:04 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: mobile@FreeBSD.org Cc: imp@FreeBSD.org, Brandon Martus Subject: pcic hangups Message-ID: <20000324163004.C25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner, -mobile, A friend of mine recently let me poke around on his laptop after he said really freaky things were happening with his laptop. Here's the scoop: There is only one (physical) slot on this laptop. The controller may support 2, the controller may think it has two, but I assure you there is one slot. If a card is in this physical slot during boot, the boot hangs: --- interrupt, eip = 0xc01ddd77, esp = 0xc0269fa0, ebp = 0xc0269fb0 --- putb1(c028cfc0,3,60,c028cfc0,3) at putb1+0x23 pcic_reset(c0829800,40000000,c04b0c90,0,ffffffff) at pcic_reset+0x64 softclock(0,c0236bce,c0232de7,0,0) at softclock+0xd1 splz_swi(5,58c,1,8021bf,68747541) at splz_swi+0x14 idle_loop() at idle_loop+0x13 Which after applying my kernel-stupid mind to pcic.c tells me that during pcic_reset() timeout() is never returning or is in some inifinite loop or another equally bad thing. It gets better. If during this infinite loop I remove and insert the card (which I assume would change the code path in the switch statement) everything boots up. The card (which is a valid card, I've tried several, etc etc) still isn't reckognized properly, but that's a whole different issue. plip0: on ppbus0 pccard: card inserted, slot 0 pccard: card inserted, slot 1 [ wait a long time, realize nothing is going to happen ] Debugger("manual escape to debugger") [ poke around, traceback above, etc ] db> continue [ wait a long time, realize nothing is going to happen ] pccard: card removed, slot 0 (I just removed the card) ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr ata1-slave: identify failed ad0: 4126MB [8944/15/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 [ boot continues as normal ..] I think we need a quirk entry for this controller that says "no! you only have one slot, don't try to do the impossible" or something, as I think thats whats confusing it. pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 irq 10 on isa0 pcic0: management irq 10 pccard0: on pcic0 pccard1: on pcic0 -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 PS. I already know what these cards are and just haven't added them to pcisupport, but why are there a bunch of 'pci0's, shouldn't they be pci0,pci1,...pciN. I'm demonstrating newbus ignorance here, but oh well. pci0: on pcib0 pci0: (vendor=0x125d, dev=0x1969) at 9.0 irq 11 pci0: (vendor=0x11c1, dev=0x0441) at 15.0 irq 10 pci0: at 20.0 irq 5 PPS FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE #1: Fri Mar 24 13:33:00 EST 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:34:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963BC37BACC; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05693; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:03:51 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02997; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:33:28 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Vincent Poy Cc: Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324133327.P1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <200003242112.OAA09993@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:19:32AM -1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 11:19:32 -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Nate Williams wrote: > >>> I guess I'm doing the opposite since I need a desktop replacement >>> when I travel. >> >> My 600 works pretty well as a desktop replacement. I've got it loaded >> with a 10GB disk, it's hooked through my dock to an external >> keyboard/mouse, and hooked up to my 19" monitor which does 1024x768 >> quite nicely. :) > > Pretty neat setup. Mines has 320mb RAM, I think your 600 can > handle more than my 770Z can in terms of memory. With a 14.1GB HDD, the > 13.7" 1280x1024 LCD. Maybe the next thing I need is a docking station. =) > Strange. I read http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=1&cgnbr=ThinkPad+600&cntry=840&lang=en_US, but I couldn't find anything that looked like a 1280x1024 display. Have they stopped shipping them? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:35:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A876D37BA62; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:35:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05697; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:04:53 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03014; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:34:37 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Nate Williams Cc: Mike Smith , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324133437.Q1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> <200003242113.OAA10030@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003242113.OAA10030@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 02:13:23PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 14:13:23 -0700, Nate Williams wrote: >>>> After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was >>>> to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? >>> >>> *grin* >> >> Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real >> work on? > > You can compromise and get a 13" screen that'll do 1024x768, which is > (IMO) plenty big to get enough work done. :) :) :) YO. >> I don't seem to have any problems lugging an i7500 around > > That's because your a studly young whipper-snapper, who doesn't know any > better. *grin* And I'm a grizzled old whipper-snapper who doesn't know any better? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:38:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76D137B5EE for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:38:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05704; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:07:52 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03049; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:37:36 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Sean Eric Fagan Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324133736.R1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003242111.NAA01676.kithrup.freebsd.mobile@mass.cdrom.com> <200003242118.NAA27332@kithrup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003242118.NAA27332@kithrup.com>; from sef@kithrup.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:18:10PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 13:18:10 -0800, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: > In article <200003242111.NAA01676.kithrup.freebsd.mobile@mass.cdrom.com> you write: >> Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real >> work on? > > My screen is 1024x768x16, and I'm quite happy with it, it turns out. The > 1024x768 is too small for my tastes, but using fvwm and four "virtual > desktops" usually solves that particular problem. Or works around it. > Although I have my laptop set up to do development, its main use is > as an X terminal (and jukebox, now that I've gotten sound working > [although I had to get a cdd binary from 3.4 since the port is > hopelessly broken now :(]). I find that I increasingly use my laptop for maintaining continuity while traveling. For that purpose, I need as close an approximation to my home setup as possible. Unfortunately, nobody seems to sell a laptop with two 1600x1200 displays :-) Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:44:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02B637BB11 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:44:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29054; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:44:29 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:44:29 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Jonathan Towne Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Jonathan Towne wrote: > I really don't have a problem using my Libretto 50ct, granted, its > EXTREMELY tiny, having a 6" screen, and about 1.5hrs of battery life > with the elderly lithium ion battery that i've got.. there are plans > out there for up to 14hrs of battery life.. Luigi appears to have > submitted the plans for the 8hr one.. :) Ah, isn't that the Toshiba machine that was out a few years ago and has the pretty interesting pointing device? =) > Aside from battery life, its the most portable i've seen, and, in > general, not too terribly uncomfortable.. only thing i don't like > about it, is that it doesn't charge when running (this is fixed in > the 60ct and newer).. and, of course, i'm having a terrible time > getting *cringe and hide* linux to be able to use the floppy drive. > (Yes, i'm "forced" to use linux on it.. freebsd doesn't like my > modem/ethernet combo card, nor the cdrom, linux happily uses both > to their full extent..) Hmmm, I thought the new Sony palm top sized machine with the pointing stick is about the same size and offers a lot more capacity? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:46:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B4C37BAA0; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:46:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29083; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:45:59 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:45:59 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Greg Lehey Cc: Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mike Smith , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324133327.P1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Pretty neat setup. Mines has 320mb RAM, I think your 600 can > > handle more than my 770Z can in terms of memory. With a 14.1GB HDD, the > > 13.7" 1280x1024 LCD. Maybe the next thing I need is a docking station. =) > > Strange. I read > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=1&cgnbr=ThinkPad+600&cntry=840&lang=en_US, > but I couldn't find anything that looked like a 1280x1024 display. > Have they stopped shipping them? The 1280x1024 display is only available on the 770Z machines with the new 13.7" LCD. The 14.1" display only does 1024x768. IBM discontinued the entire 770 product line a few months ago. There is a new A20 machine in the works I think. Check out www.thinkpads.com. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:50:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0605E37BB25; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:50:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05717; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:20:06 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03097; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:49:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:49:50 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Vincent Poy Cc: Mike Smith , Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324134950.S1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:14:16AM -1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 11:14:16 -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > >>>> After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was >>>> to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? >>> >>> *grin* >> >> Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real >> work on? > > Very true indeed. I don't know, I guess I want access to > everything when I am not at home. > >> I don't seem to have any problems lugging an i7500 around, and I swear >> that it's _nice_ having something that feels close to desktop screen size >> to work on. Not to mention the screen envy that all those Techno-Bill >> wannabes feel... 8) > > The i7500 isn't really that heavy. It's the carry cases that are > what makes the notebook heavier than it really is. My 770Z is less than 7 > pounds but the ThinkPad case is another 6 pounds. Even though the 770Z I > have is only 13.7" but the screen does 1280x1024 and works great for DVD's > when I need a break from all that work. =) About ten years ago I bought a briefcase which was big enough to take my laptop (Toshiba 3100SX, with a 386SX16 (no cache), 7 MB memory and 80 MB disk, weighing 17 lbs) and some documents. Since then I've changed my laptop several times, and they all seem to rattle in the space the Toshiba left. I've just checked out an Inspiron 7500, and it would fit sideways in the space. The couple of lbs difference in total weight hardly make any difference, but I think it's a remarkably ugly laptop. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:54:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from www.minix.cx (massive.geek.edu [216.73.11.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F3B37BF0C for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:54:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jontow@www.minix.cx) Received: (from jontow@localhost) by www.minix.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13233; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:55:33 GMT (envelope-from jontow) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:55:33 +0000 From: Jonathan Towne To: Vincent Poy Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324215533.A13214@minix.cx> References: <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:44:29AM -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:44:29AM -1000, Vincent Poy scribbled: # On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Jonathan Towne wrote: # # > I really don't have a problem using my Libretto 50ct, granted, its # > EXTREMELY tiny, having a 6" screen, and about 1.5hrs of battery life # > with the elderly lithium ion battery that i've got.. there are plans # > out there for up to 14hrs of battery life.. Luigi appears to have # > submitted the plans for the 8hr one.. :) # # Ah, isn't that the Toshiba machine that was out a few years ago # and has the pretty interesting pointing device? =) # # > Aside from battery life, its the most portable i've seen, and, in # > general, not too terribly uncomfortable.. only thing i don't like # > about it, is that it doesn't charge when running (this is fixed in # > the 60ct and newer).. and, of course, i'm having a terrible time # > getting *cringe and hide* linux to be able to use the floppy drive. # > (Yes, i'm "forced" to use linux on it.. freebsd doesn't like my # > modem/ethernet combo card, nor the cdrom, linux happily uses both # > to their full extent..) # # Hmmm, I thought the new Sony palm top sized machine with the # pointing stick is about the same size and offers a lot more capacity? define 'capacity' .. storage space? RAM? cpu? all of the above? libretto ff1100 is a 266mhz cpu, 64meg of RAM, and i fail to remember what the size of the drive is by default, but it has an mp3 remote, and librettos (not sure of anything before 50ct) can have a 12gig drive thrown in them, with a small modification.. take a look at the URL below for more info http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ -- - Jonathan Towne wrongway@slic.com - System/Network Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 13:55: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E2E37BAF3; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:54:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29160; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:54:16 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:54:16 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Greg Lehey Cc: Mike Smith , Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324134950.S1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > > The i7500 isn't really that heavy. It's the carry cases that are > > what makes the notebook heavier than it really is. My 770Z is less than 7 > > pounds but the ThinkPad case is another 6 pounds. Even though the 770Z I > > have is only 13.7" but the screen does 1280x1024 and works great for DVD's > > when I need a break from all that work. =) > > About ten years ago I bought a briefcase which was big enough to take > my laptop (Toshiba 3100SX, with a 386SX16 (no cache), 7 MB memory and > 80 MB disk, weighing 17 lbs) and some documents. Since then I've > changed my laptop several times, and they all seem to rattle in the > space the Toshiba left. I've just checked out an Inspiron 7500, and > it would fit sideways in the space. The couple of lbs difference in > total weight hardly make any difference, but I think it's a remarkably > ugly laptop. Yeah, that's true... Since when you carried the heavy weight, it doesn't really matter much unless it was a machine a lot lighter, then you would have the impression that you forgot your notebook or something. The Inspiron 7500 is made by a Taiwanese company just like a lot of the IBM's are made by Acer to IBM specs. You can actually get the same i7500 machine under different brand names from Computer Shopper. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14: 1:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from yana.lemis.com (yana.lemis.com [192.109.197.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95037B540; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:01:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com ([216.88.157.130]) by yana.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05736; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:31:24 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03199; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:01:08 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Vincent Poy Cc: Mike Smith , Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324140108.V1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <20000324134950.S1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:54:16AM -1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 24 March 2000 at 11:54:16 -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> The i7500 isn't really that heavy. It's the carry cases that are >>> what makes the notebook heavier than it really is. My 770Z is less than 7 >>> pounds but the ThinkPad case is another 6 pounds. Even though the 770Z I >>> have is only 13.7" but the screen does 1280x1024 and works great for DVD's >>> when I need a break from all that work. =) >> >> About ten years ago I bought a briefcase which was big enough to take >> my laptop (Toshiba 3100SX, with a 386SX16 (no cache), 7 MB memory and >> 80 MB disk, weighing 17 lbs) and some documents. Since then I've >> changed my laptop several times, and they all seem to rattle in the >> space the Toshiba left. I've just checked out an Inspiron 7500, and >> it would fit sideways in the space. The couple of lbs difference in >> total weight hardly make any difference, but I think it's a remarkably >> ugly laptop. > > Yeah, that's true... Since when you carried the heavy weight, it > doesn't really matter much unless it was a machine a lot lighter, then you > would have the impression that you forgot your notebook or something. The > Inspiron 7500 is made by a Taiwanese company just like a lot of the IBM's > are made by Acer to IBM specs. You can actually get the same i7500 > machine under different brand names from Computer Shopper. I have people who are prepared to buy it for me. Under those circumstances, I need to consider who can repair it best world-wide. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14: 5:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE90337B7A7; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 197A21C64; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:05:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:05:36 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: Greg Lehey Cc: Vincent Poy , Mike Smith , Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324170536.G25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> <20000324134950.S1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000324134950.S1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:49:50PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:49:50PM -0800, Greg Lehey wrote: > About ten years ago I bought a briefcase which was big enough to take > my laptop (Toshiba 3100SX, with a 386SX16 (no cache), 7 MB memory and > 80 MB disk, weighing 17 lbs) and some documents. Since then I've > changed my laptop several times, and they all seem to rattle in the > space the Toshiba left. I've just checked out an Inspiron 7500, and > it would fit sideways in the space. The couple of lbs difference in > total weight hardly make any difference, but I think it's a remarkably > ugly laptop. Thats what stickers and paint are for. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14: 6:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1AC37B57A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:06:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29308; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:06:35 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:06:35 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Jonathan Towne Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324215533.A13214@minix.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Jonathan Towne wrote: > # Hmmm, I thought the new Sony palm top sized machine with the > # pointing stick is about the same size and offers a lot more capacity? > > define 'capacity' .. storage space? RAM? cpu? all of the above? > libretto ff1100 is a 266mhz cpu, 64meg of RAM, and i fail to remember > what the size of the drive is by default, but it has an mp3 remote, > and librettos (not sure of anything before 50ct) can have a 12gig drive > thrown in them, with a small modification.. take a look at the URL > below for more info > > http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ The model I'm referring to is the SONY VAIO C1 (PCG-C1XS) PictureBook Computer. It's a Intel PII 400. 8.9" XGA (1024x480) Bright Screen, 64MB RAM (Expandable to 128MB), and 12 GIG HD. It is about 1" thin, 2.2lbs in weight. It has the pointing stick and a Sony programmable jog dial control. Built in ccd camera with one button movie and still image capture. Built in v.90 56k modem. Hi-cap LiIon battery, Magesium-alloy case. iEEE 1394 interface. 1 Type II PC Card slot with CardBus support, 1 USB port, built in stero speakers. and USB Floppy drive. It does cost $2300. For more info: http://vaiodirect.sel.sony.com/cgi-bin/catalog/catalog.cgi?FNC=DisplaySubcategories__Acategory_html___C1&sp;PictureBook&sp;Computer Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14: 8: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786A337BAD0; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:08:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29319; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:07:55 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:07:55 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Greg Lehey , Mike Smith , Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324170536.G25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > Thats what stickers and paint are for. Time to replace the Designed for Microsoft Windows sticker with a FreeBSD sticker and the Daemon sticker for a wristpad =) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:12:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4E937BFD0 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E67667 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id OAA13178 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id OAA17104 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003242212.OAA17104@mina.sr.hp.com> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:49:23 PST." <5475.953930963@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:12:38 PST From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Ever since I got the first "critter" in 1994, it has been obvious > to me, that the weight is a far more important parameter in a laptop > than screen resolution or battery life. Ah, we need to remember that there is no such thing as a "best laptop"; it makes about as much sense as the "best car". Everyone has different needs and wants. For you and many others, weight is the most important parameter. For me, "features/power" is most important, and weight/size is somewhat secondary. My 7500 is almost 10 lbs (~4.5 kg); I carry it around in a backpack, and the total weight (backpack, laptop, and lots of junk) can be over 25 lbs (~11.3 kg). For some people, that's an enormous weight, but I don't think it's too bad, and I'm NOT a tall/big person (well, I am beginning to grow sideways, but that's another matter ;-). The sleek VAIOs are attractive, but the lack of a built-in CDROM drive was what killed it for me. However, if you don't need a CDROM drive, it's a great laptop. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:13:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C0637BACB; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:13:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29392; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:13:22 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:13:22 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Greg Lehey Cc: Mike Smith , Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324140108.V1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Yeah, that's true... Since when you carried the heavy weight, it > > doesn't really matter much unless it was a machine a lot lighter, then you > > would have the impression that you forgot your notebook or something. The > > Inspiron 7500 is made by a Taiwanese company just like a lot of the IBM's > > are made by Acer to IBM specs. You can actually get the same i7500 > > machine under different brand names from Computer Shopper. > > I have people who are prepared to buy it for me. Under those > circumstances, I need to consider who can repair it best world-wide. I couldn't find the article that was in PC Magazine about a year ago. But I think DEC (now Compaq) did the servcing for Dell Machines. If you went to www.quantex.com, their notebooks are the same machines as the Dell i7000 and i7500 except the configuration might vary slightly. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:14: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from craigslist.net (www.craigslist.org [216.38.134.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32F9F37BACB for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stan@craigslist.org) Received: (qmail 28270 invoked by uid 1010); 24 Mar 2000 22:02:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Mar 2000 22:02:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:02:31 -0800 (PST) From: Stan Osborne X-Sender: stan@cnewmark.craigslist.net To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Newbie Mobile questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, My employer wants to provide me with an "IBM Thinkpad 600X-7EU". I would prefer to run FreeBSD on this as the primary OS, dual booted with Win 98. So I have looked around some FreeBSD web sites and on cdrom.com. I have several questions. If any of you have time to answer these or provide other advice, it would be greatly appreciated. o Is PAO 3.4-RELEASE available on bootable CDROM for a fee? o Is there anything particularly unique about installing FreeBSD on an IBM Thinkpad? o Is there a favored boot loader for dual-boot configurations? o When will there be a PAO 4.0-RELEASE? o Have I been totally clueless and missed something obvious? Stan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:14:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from www.minix.cx (massive.geek.edu [216.73.11.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A616B37BACB for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:14:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jontow@www.minix.cx) Received: (from jontow@localhost) by www.minix.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14492; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:14:54 GMT (envelope-from jontow) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:14:54 +0000 From: Jonathan Towne To: Vincent Poy Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324221454.A13638@minix.cx> References: <20000324215533.A13214@minix.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:06:35PM -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:06:35PM -1000, Vincent Poy scribbled: # The model I'm referring to is the SONY VAIO C1 (PCG-C1XS) # PictureBook Computer. It's a Intel PII 400. 8.9" XGA (1024x480) Bright # Screen, 64MB RAM (Expandable to 128MB), and 12 GIG HD. It is about # 1" thin, 2.2lbs in weight. It has the pointing stick and a Sony # programmable jog dial control. Built in ccd camera with one button movie # and still image capture. Built in v.90 56k modem. Hi-cap LiIon battery, # Magesium-alloy case. iEEE 1394 interface. 1 Type II PC Card slot with # CardBus support, 1 USB port, built in stero speakers. and USB Floppy # drive. It does cost $2300. for the most part, it sounds like the Libretto ff1100.. I just like the translucent case and keyboard on the ff1100 ;) -- - Jonathan Towne wrongway@slic.com - System/Network Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:15:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0536737B791 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:15:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29440; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:15:41 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:15:41 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Jonathan Towne Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324221454.A13638@minix.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Jonathan Towne wrote: > On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:06:35PM -1000, Vincent Poy scribbled: > # The model I'm referring to is the SONY VAIO C1 (PCG-C1XS) > # PictureBook Computer. It's a Intel PII 400. 8.9" XGA (1024x480) Bright > # Screen, 64MB RAM (Expandable to 128MB), and 12 GIG HD. It is about > # 1" thin, 2.2lbs in weight. It has the pointing stick and a Sony > # programmable jog dial control. Built in ccd camera with one button movie > # and still image capture. Built in v.90 56k modem. Hi-cap LiIon battery, > # Magesium-alloy case. iEEE 1394 interface. 1 Type II PC Card slot with > # CardBus support, 1 USB port, built in stero speakers. and USB Floppy > # drive. It does cost $2300. > > for the most part, it sounds like the Libretto ff1100.. I just like the > translucent case and keyboard on the ff1100 ;) Now, the translucent case would be a cool feature ;) Speaking about designs, if PC Notebooks had the looks of the new Apple machines, then it would look cool... ;) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:18:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC3937BF62 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmartus@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1057) id 0BA541C64; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084103833; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:18:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:18:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brandon Martus To: Darryl Okahata Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242212.OAA17104@mina.sr.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I won a Compaq Presario 1685 in December. I finally got around to putting FreeBSD 4.0 on it. Problems ever since. I would suggest not getting a Compaq. ------------------------------- Brandon Martus Software Developer Computer Horizons Corp. - CVM e-mail: bmartus@chc-chimes.com Office: 800-252-2421 ext 127 Cell: 810-530-2851 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:19:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0839537BD85; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:19:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05074; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10551; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:19:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:19:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242219.PAA10551@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Bill Fumerola Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@FreeBSD.ORG, Brandon Martus Subject: Re: pcic hangups In-Reply-To: <20000324163004.C25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000324163004.C25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > A friend of mine recently let me poke around on his laptop after he > said really freaky things were happening with his laptop. Here's the > scoop: > > There is only one (physical) slot on this laptop. The controller may support 2, > the controller may think it has two, but I assure you there is one slot. > > If a card is in this physical slot during boot, the boot hangs: > > --- interrupt, eip = 0xc01ddd77, esp = 0xc0269fa0, ebp = 0xc0269fb0 --- > putb1(c028cfc0,3,60,c028cfc0,3) at putb1+0x23 > pcic_reset(c0829800,40000000,c04b0c90,0,ffffffff) at pcic_reset+0x64 > softclock(0,c0236bce,c0232de7,0,0) at softclock+0xd1 > splz_swi(5,58c,1,8021bf,68747541) at splz_swi+0x14 > idle_loop() at idle_loop+0x13 > > Which after applying my kernel-stupid mind to pcic.c tells me that during > pcic_reset() timeout() is never returning or is in some inifinite loop or > another equally bad thing. Try setting one of the APM flags that is related to broken statclock, which can cause these kinds of problems. If the statclock is broken, you may not get woken up, since the clock isn't working as advertised. I don't remember which flag it is, but you should be able to look at the documentation to find it. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:20:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D186937BC01 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05086; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:20:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10561; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:20:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:20:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242220.PAA10561@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Greg Lehey Cc: Sean Eric Fagan , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324133736.R1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003242111.NAA01676.kithrup.freebsd.mobile@mass.cdrom.com> <200003242118.NAA27332@kithrup.com> <20000324133736.R1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I find that I increasingly use my laptop for maintaining continuity > while traveling. For that purpose, I need as close an approximation > to my home setup as possible. Unfortunately, nobody seems to sell a > laptop with two 1600x1200 displays :-) You can do what I've done, and lower the bar at home and use your laptop as your 'home setup' as well as your on-the-road setup. :) :) :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:24:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A2737BDF2; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E3C451C64; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:24:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:24:23 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: Nate Williams Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@FreeBSD.ORG, Brandon Martus Subject: Re: pcic hangups Message-ID: <20000324172423.H25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000324163004.C25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> <200003242219.PAA10551@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003242219.PAA10551@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 03:19:29PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 03:19:29PM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > Try setting one of the APM flags that is related to broken statclock, > which can cause these kinds of problems. If the statclock is broken, > you may not get woken up, since the clock isn't working as advertised. > I don't remember which flag it is, but you should be able to look at the > documentation to find it. 0x0020 is the default for GENERIC (and in the kernel we're using) and that is the "broken statclock" flag. No luck. I'll play around with removing apm or doing apm things in the BIOS. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:24:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.79.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9368E37BBF3 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.79.115]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05136; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10590; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:24:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242224.PAA10590@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Stan Osborne Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie Mobile questions In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My employer wants to provide me with an "IBM Thinkpad 600X-7EU". I'm not sure if everything is fully supported (yet) on the 'X' model. I think someone mentioned that X is now supported, but that sound might not be. > I would prefer to run FreeBSD on this as the primary OS, dual booted > with Win 98. So I have looked around some FreeBSD web sites and > on cdrom.com. I have several questions. If any of you have time > to answer these or provide other advice, it would be greatly > appreciated. > > o Is PAO 3.4-RELEASE available on bootable CDROM for a fee? Nope. Although, FreeBSD 4.0 (just released) has laptop support in the installation built-in. > o Is there anything particularly unique about installing > FreeBSD on an IBM Thinkpad? For FreeBSD < 4.0, yes. If you're installing 4.0, it should work out of the box. For older releases, you have to remove any memory over 64MB you have in the box, and then build a custom kernel with the exact amount of memory reported at bootup in the kernel, install the kernel, turn off and install the memory, and then boot the new system. > o Is there a favored boot loader for dual-boot configurations? The stock FreeBSD boot configuration works fine. > o When will there be a PAO 4.0-RELEASE? ???? Don't know, I think they're working on integrating it into the 4.X releases instead, but I may be out to lucnh Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:28:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E7237BCFE for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:28:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29514; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:24:52 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:24:52 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Darryl Okahata Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242212.OAA17104@mina.sr.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Darryl Okahata wrote: > Ah, we need to remember that there is no such thing as a "best > laptop"; it makes about as much sense as the "best car". Everyone has > different needs and wants. For you and many others, weight is the most > important parameter. For me, "features/power" is most important, and > weight/size is somewhat secondary. My 7500 is almost 10 lbs (~4.5 kg); > I carry it around in a backpack, and the total weight (backpack, laptop, > and lots of junk) can be over 25 lbs (~11.3 kg). For some people, > that's an enormous weight, but I don't think it's too bad, and I'm NOT a > tall/big person (well, I am beginning to grow sideways, but that's > another matter ;-). That's true. Everyone has their needs and preferences. I guess maybe carrying it in a backpack is easier than carrying a backpack for college day life and then the ThinkPad 770Z which is 7 lbs inside the 5.6 lb case and being on a crowed bus. It's a little inconvenient since that's one of the reasons probably on why someone stole my wallet on a crowded bus exactly a week ago today since I had too many things to watch. > The sleek VAIOs are attractive, but the lack of a built-in CDROM > drive was what killed it for me. However, if you don't need a CDROM > drive, it's a great laptop. Never knew the VAIOs didn't have built-in CDROM drives. I always thought it did. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:34:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD9A37BB10 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:34:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA94241; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:34:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <200003242234.RAA94241@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Vincent Poy Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Image-URL: http://www.transsys.com/louie/images/louie-mail.jpg From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:06:35 -1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:34:24 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Jonathan Towne wrote: > > > # Hmmm, I thought the new Sony palm top sized machine with the > > # pointing stick is about the same size and offers a lot more capacity? > > > > define 'capacity' .. storage space? RAM? cpu? all of the above? > > libretto ff1100 is a 266mhz cpu, 64meg of RAM, and i fail to remember > > what the size of the drive is by default, but it has an mp3 remote, > > and librettos (not sure of anything before 50ct) can have a 12gig drive > > thrown in them, with a small modification.. take a look at the URL > > below for more info > > > > http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ > > The model I'm referring to is the SONY VAIO C1 (PCG-C1XS) > PictureBook Computer. It's a Intel PII 400. 8.9" XGA (1024x480) Bright > Screen, 64MB RAM (Expandable to 128MB), and 12 GIG HD. It is about > 1" thin, 2.2lbs in weight. It has the pointing stick and a Sony > programmable jog dial control. Built in ccd camera with one button movie > and still image capture. Built in v.90 56k modem. Hi-cap LiIon battery, > Magesium-alloy case. iEEE 1394 interface. 1 Type II PC Card slot with > CardBus support, 1 USB port, built in stero speakers. and USB Floppy > drive. It does cost $2300. > This is a really sweet machine. I've currently got a C-1X, which is a hair larger (but not by much), and with a 266MHz Pentium CPU. The newer box with the 12G disk means plenty 'o room for Windoze as well as FreeBSD :-) I am scheming to get an upgrade of my existing unit to the C1-XS. This is the first laptop that I've had which by default stays in my briefcase/bag thing that I carry to and from work. It's small enough and light enough that I don't have to make a decision on taking it with me or leaving it behind. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:36:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A41E237BC03 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:36:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 24354 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Mar 2000 22:36:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:36:50 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: Vincent Poy Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324173650.E21424@numachi.com> References: <20000324215533.A13214@minix.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:06:35PM -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:06:35PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Jonathan Towne wrote: > The model I'm referring to is the SONY VAIO C1 (PCG-C1XS) > PictureBook Computer. It's a Intel PII 400. 8.9" XGA (1024x480) Bright > Screen, 64MB RAM (Expandable to 128MB), and 12 GIG HD. It is about > 1" thin, 2.2lbs in weight. It has the pointing stick and a Sony > programmable jog dial control. Built in ccd camera with one button movie > and still image capture. Built in v.90 56k modem. Hi-cap LiIon battery, > Magesium-alloy case. iEEE 1394 interface. 1 Type II PC Card slot with > CardBus support, 1 USB port, built in stero speakers. and USB Floppy > drive. It does cost $2300. > > For more info: > > http://vaiodirect.sel.sony.com/cgi-bin/catalog/catalog.cgi?FNC=DisplaySubcategories__Acategory_html___C1&sp;PictureBook&sp;Computer A shorter URL: I successfully got 3.2-RELEASE on this box's predecessor (a PI 266 MMX box). Really cute. Cool sound, too. Looks like a big Walkman. :) Gotchas: - the supplied USB-based floopy drive can be booted from, but FreeBSD knows jack about it. Last I heard (circa this past summer) was that said floppy was 'next on the list' of targets by some fanatic group in Japan (hi, guys!). - this beast has no serial ports. It does have a modem, an IR port, etc, but no good, old-fasioned DB9 or miniDIN or anything. Presumably, a PCMCIA card would do, but I like having a network. :/ Is there such a thing as a USB serial port? > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert reichert@numachi.com 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (781) 899-7484 x704 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:38:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB02937BE23 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:38:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29743; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:38:06 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:38:06 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242234.RAA94241@whizzo.transsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > This is a really sweet machine. > > I've currently got a C-1X, which is a hair larger (but not by much), and > with a 266MHz Pentium CPU. The newer box with the 12G disk means plenty > 'o room for Windoze as well as FreeBSD :-) I am scheming to get an upgrade > of my existing unit to the C1-XS. > > This is the first laptop that I've had which by default stays in my > briefcase/bag thing that I carry to and from work. It's small enough > and light enough that I don't have to make a decision on taking it > with me or leaving it behind. I guess the only drawback is no CD-ROM or DVD of any kind for that kind of pricing. I haven't really tried typing on the keyboard but I can say that it's way more useful than the WinCE machines like the HP 950LX. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:42:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48E237B791 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:42:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@ptavv.es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05262; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:42:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003242242.OAA05262@ptavv.es.net> To: Stan Osborne Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie Mobile questions In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:02:31 PST." Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:42:33 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stan, I run FreeBSD on my 600E and will take a stab at your questions: > o Is PAO 3.4-RELEASE available on bootable CDROM for a fee? Not that I am aware of, but I would not recommend PAO for the ThinkPad. Most of the PAO stuff has been folded into 3.4-Release including PCCARD support and APM. My experience is that PAO will cause more problems than it solves for the 600E. > o Is there anything particularly unique about installing > FreeBSD on an IBM Thinkpad? Yes! (If you have more than 64 MB of RAM on the ThinkPad.) There is something weird about the ThinkPad that messes up the ability of FreeBSD to properly size memory at boot time and the result is that the boot will simply hang. The fix is to remove the extra memory card leaving 64 MB and installing FreeBSD. Then build a new kernel and add the MAXMEM parameter to tell the kernel how much memory you actually have. Re-install the extra memory card and boot the new kernel. (It's a pain, but it's the only way to get FreeBSD to boot.) options MAXMEM=n where 'n' = ((MB on the system) -1) * 1024 For a 128 MB system, 127*1024=130048 for a 192 MB system, 191*1024=195584 Watch static procedures when removing. handling or installing the memory. > o Is there a favored boot loader for dual-boot configurations? I use the "standard" FreeBSD Boot Manager. If you use the installation CD, it is the default. > o When will there be a PAO 4.0-RELEASE? I don't know when or if there will be one now that most or all of the PAO stuff has been folded back into the main line code. > o Have I been totally clueless and missed something obvious? Nope. I wish I had asked these questions before installing. Would have saved me some frustration! R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:43:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AB637B8C4 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:43:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29801; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:43:40 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:43:40 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Brian Reichert Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324173650.E21424@numachi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Brian Reichert wrote: > A shorter URL: > > Oops, I guess I was looking at my Sony Xtras/Viao direct catalog so I forgot all about the Sony site. > I successfully got 3.2-RELEASE on this box's predecessor (a PI 266 > MMX box). Really cute. Cool sound, too. Looks like a big Walkman. :) > > Gotchas: > > - the supplied USB-based floopy drive can be booted from, but > FreeBSD knows jack about it. Last I heard (circa this past > summer) was that said floppy was 'next on the list' of targets > by some fanatic group in Japan (hi, guys!). Yeah, I guess USB is really a new technology and not really tested as well as one might expect. > - this beast has no serial ports. It does have a modem, an IR > port, etc, but no good, old-fasioned DB9 or miniDIN or anything. > Presumably, a PCMCIA card would do, but I like having a network. > :/ Is there such a thing as a USB serial port? Actually, there are such things as PS/2 keyboard ports, Serial ports, parallel ports. Xircom and Belkin makes them I think. I never realized it doesn't have serial ports. So make that two things it doesn't have, ports and CD/DVDROM drive. It also doesn't work with the Xircom/Intel RealPort modems since those are type III or needs two Type II slots and this beast only has one. For Xircom, here is the URL: http://www.xircom.com/cda/page/0,1298,1_1-2,00.html Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:46:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8109837BCFE for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:46:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24297; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:46:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:45:50 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Brian Reichert Cc: Vincent Poy , Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324144550.A21356@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000324215533.A13214@minix.cx> <20000324173650.E21424@numachi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <20000324173650.E21424@numachi.com>; from reichert@numachi.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 05:36:50PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 05:36:50PM -0500, Brian Reichert wrote: > A shorter URL: > > > > I successfully got 3.2-RELEASE on this box's predecessor (a PI 266 > MMX box). Really cute. Cool sound, too. Looks like a big Walkman. :) > > Gotchas: > > - the supplied USB-based floopy drive can be booted from, but > FreeBSD knows jack about it. Last I heard (circa this past > summer) was that said floppy was 'next on the list' of targets > by some fanatic group in Japan (hi, guys!). USB floppy support was added to current about a week ago. The Y-E Data drives are tested, but the TEAC drives were not at commit time. > - this beast has no serial ports. It does have a modem, an IR > port, etc, but no good, old-fasioned DB9 or miniDIN or anything. > Presumably, a PCMCIA card would do, but I like having a network. > :/ Is there such a thing as a USB serial port? Yes, there is such a thing as a USB serial port. There is an entry in my usbd.conf (stock 5.0) for an Entrega serial port, but I can't seem to find the module it wants to load. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:49: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5DB37BAB1 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:49:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29850; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:48:51 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:48:50 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Brooks Davis Cc: Brian Reichert , Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324144550.A21356@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Brooks Davis wrote: > Yes, there is such a thing as a USB serial port. There is an entry in > my usbd.conf (stock 5.0) for an Entrega serial port, but I can't seem to > find the module it wants to load. Yeah, I think Entrega, Belkin, Xircom all make them. Xircom is the one with their USB Expansion hubs, you can pick the modules you want and put them together. http://www.xircom.com/cda/page/0,1298,1_1-2,00.html Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:50:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8450F37BB10 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by palrel3.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03F9812; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id OAA16247; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:49:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id OAA18040; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:49:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003242249.OAA18040@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Vincent Poy Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:24:52 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:49:14 PST From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Vincent Poy wrote: > That's true. Everyone has their needs and preferences. I guess > maybe carrying it in a backpack is easier than carrying a backpack for > college day life and then the ThinkPad 770Z which is 7 lbs inside the > 5.6 lb case and being on a crowed bus. It's a little inconvenient since > that's one of the reasons probably on why someone stole my wallet on a > crowded bus exactly a week ago today since I had too many things to watch. Perhaps you need a bigger laptop backpack? I've got a relatively large backpack -- the main compartment (*not* counting the laptop compartment) is over five inches thick. It's generally enough for at least 3-4 textbooks/notebooks. Now, the Inspiron 7500 is, technically, too big for the laptop compartment, but I can make mine fit (barely) by turning it sideways (probably not recommended, but it works for me). The backpack is fairly bulky, though. [ And it looks like a regular backpack. It doesn't look like some government-issue, men-in-black, ugly backpack. ] If you want to see the specs, see: http://www.llbean.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=14955&cgmenbr=1&parentCategory=3897&shop_method=pp > Never knew the VAIOs didn't have built-in CDROM drives. I always > thought it did. It depends on the models. Last I looked, all of the really thin & slim VAIOs did not have built-in CDROM drives. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:55:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from isds.duke.edu (davinci.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF7D37B791 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sto@stat.Duke.EDU) Received: from cayenne.isds.duke.edu (cayenne.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.11]) by isds.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03736 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from sto@localhost) by cayenne.isds.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10986 for mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:55:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 17:55:42 -0500 From: "Sean O'Connell" To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324175542.S9905@stat.Duke.EDU> Reply-To: "Sean O'Connell" Mail-Followup-To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200003242249.OAA18040@mina.sr.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003242249.OAA18040@mina.sr.hp.com>; from darrylo@sr.hp.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 02:49:14PM -0800 X-Organization: Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Darryl Okahata stated: > > Never knew the VAIOs didn't have built-in CDROM drives. I always > > thought it did. > > It depends on the models. Last I looked, all of the really thin & > slim VAIOs did not have built-in CDROM drives. Nope, neither the N505's nor the Z505's have internal cdroms. However, there are some pretty spiffy notebooks for the Japanese home market that are both ultrlight and have a built-in cdrom. Panasonic makes one that is pretty nifty looking... there are a couple of outfits that sell these in the US (but charge for it). Not sure it's really worth advertising for them on the list (I'd be happy to pass a url along) as I am not affiliated with them in any shape or form. S ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean O'Connell Email: sean@stat.Duke.EDU Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences Phone: (919) 684-5419 Duke University Fax: (919) 684-8594 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 14:58:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E65537BD4A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:58:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29946; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:55:16 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:55:16 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Darryl Okahata Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242249.OAA18040@mina.sr.hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Darryl Okahata wrote: > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > That's true. Everyone has their needs and preferences. I guess > > maybe carrying it in a backpack is easier than carrying a backpack for > > college day life and then the ThinkPad 770Z which is 7 lbs inside the > > 5.6 lb case and being on a crowed bus. It's a little inconvenient since > > that's one of the reasons probably on why someone stole my wallet on a > > crowded bus exactly a week ago today since I had too many things to watch. > > Perhaps you need a bigger laptop backpack? I've got a relatively > large backpack -- the main compartment (*not* counting the laptop > compartment) is over five inches thick. It's generally enough for at > least 3-4 textbooks/notebooks. Now, the Inspiron 7500 is, technically, > too big for the laptop compartment, but I can make mine fit (barely) by > turning it sideways (probably not recommended, but it works for me). > The backpack is fairly bulky, though. That may be a idea too. Carrying a bigger laptop backpack so I can carry everything with me all in one piece instead of two. Since the strap on my ThinkPad 770 case (made by Port) doesn't seem to work too well as it always slips off so I never use it. The i7500 is a huge machine but it's really the screen that's big on these new machines. I guess they don't call it a Desktop Replacement for nothing. > [ And it looks like a regular backpack. It doesn't look like some > government-issue, men-in-black, ugly backpack. ] > > If you want to see the specs, see: > > http://www.llbean.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=14955&cgmenbr=1&parentCategory=3897&shop_method=pp Hmmm, I knew there was a place I haven't checked before. > > Never knew the VAIOs didn't have built-in CDROM drives. I always > > thought it did. > > It depends on the models. Last I looked, all of the really thin & > slim VAIOs did not have built-in CDROM drives. You're probably right since the thin ones are more for portability rather than features. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15: 3:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63CDD37BC1D for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 24691 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Mar 2000 23:03:26 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:03:26 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: Vincent Poy Cc: Brian Reichert , Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324180326.I21424@numachi.com> References: <20000324173650.E21424@numachi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:43:40PM -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:43:40PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > Actually, there are such things as PS/2 keyboard ports, Serial > ports, parallel ports. Xircom and Belkin makes them I think. I never > realized it doesn't have serial ports. So make that two things it doesn't > have, ports and CD/DVDROM drive. Well, PCMCIA drives seem to work. I poked at a coworkers Sony CDROM drive, worked just fine, cranked music, etc. What _I_ want is a PCMCIA DVD player that at least probes as a CDROM under FreeBSD. Don't know if that's doable. Something like: I wish. :( Geez, the Picturebook's screen size screams 'letterbox'. :) > It also doesn't work with the > Xircom/Intel RealPort modems since those are type III or needs two Type II > slots and this beast only has one. > > For Xircom, here is the URL: > > http://www.xircom.com/cda/page/0,1298,1_1-2,00.html Cool, thanks for the pointers. > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert reichert@numachi.com 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (781) 899-7484 x704 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15: 9:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8F537B57A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:09:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30080; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:09:11 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:09:11 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Brian Reichert Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324180326.I21424@numachi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Brian Reichert wrote: > On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 12:43:40PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Actually, there are such things as PS/2 keyboard ports, Serial > > ports, parallel ports. Xircom and Belkin makes them I think. I never > > realized it doesn't have serial ports. So make that two things it doesn't > > have, ports and CD/DVDROM drive. > > Well, PCMCIA drives seem to work. I poked at a coworkers Sony > CDROM drive, worked just fine, cranked music, etc. Forgot all about PCMCIA but maybe there are USB DVD Drives too. > What _I_ want is a PCMCIA DVD player that at least probes as a > CDROM under FreeBSD. Don't know if that's doable. Something like: > > > > I wish. :( How about something from Margi since it seems like they make all sorts of PCMCIA solutions for notebooks. > Geez, the Picturebook's screen size screams 'letterbox'. :) Yep =) > > For Xircom, here is the URL: > > > > http://www.xircom.com/cda/page/0,1298,1_1-2,00.html > > Cool, thanks for the pointers. No problem except the Xircom is kinda on the expensive side. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:23:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F2137BB8B for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:23:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA41252; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:23:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA53612; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:23:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242323.QAA53612@harmony.village.org> To: "ONE-MO Communications" Subject: Re: xe0 driver in 4.0 Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:20:12 PST." <003801bf95be$a2b8ad00$d20e05a6@snfp.r5.fs.fed.us> References: <003801bf95be$a2b8ad00$d20e05a6@snfp.r5.fs.fed.us> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:23:33 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <003801bf95be$a2b8ad00$d20e05a6@snfp.r5.fs.fed.us> "ONE-MO Communications" writes: : I posted a message to the FreeBSD-Xircom mailing list regarding the : state of the xe0 driver in 4.0. Scott Mitchell indicated that the : driver was dependent upon some "cleanup" of pccardd that was in the : works. Has this been completed? No. Not yet. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:25:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EB337B7F5 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:25:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA94724; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:25:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <200003242325.SAA94724@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Vincent Poy Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Image-URL: http://www.transsys.com/louie/images/louie-mail.jpg From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:38:06 -1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:25:18 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > > This is a really sweet machine. > > > > I've currently got a C-1X, which is a hair larger (but not by much), and > > with a 266MHz Pentium CPU. The newer box with the 12G disk means plenty > > 'o room for Windoze as well as FreeBSD :-) I am scheming to get an upgrade > > of my existing unit to the C1-XS. > > > > This is the first laptop that I've had which by default stays in my > > briefcase/bag thing that I carry to and from work. It's small enough > > and light enough that I don't have to make a decision on taking it > > with me or leaving it behind. > > I guess the only drawback is no CD-ROM or DVD of any kind for that > kind of pricing. I haven't really tried typing on the keyboard but I can > say that it's way more useful than the WinCE machines like the HP 950LX. You can have small, or you can have more features/stuff. Previously, I used a Dell Latitude, with two big honking bays for a battery, CDROM drive, Floppy Disk, and who know what else. 1024x768 screen. Great laptop. Right until I hauled that damn thing all the way to CeBIT in Hannover and back last year. The "big and heavy" exceeded the features and thus, new laptop. It didn't help that I saw the C-1 at the Sony stand while at CeBIT, either :-) louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:25:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB0F37B796 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:25:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA41264 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:25:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA53635 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:25:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242325.QAA53635@harmony.village.org> To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:59:11 PST." <200003241859.KAA10439@mina.sr.hp.com> References: <200003241859.KAA10439@mina.sr.hp.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:25:12 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm happiest with my VAIO 505-TS. It does have a few minor nits, and the Sony Service Sucks. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:28:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC36D37BC01 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:28:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30276; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:27:45 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:27:45 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Warner Losh Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242325.QAA53635@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > I'm happiest with my VAIO 505-TS. It does have a few minor nits, and > the Sony Service Sucks. That reminds me when I was in CompUSA the other day. One guy was asking about SONY and the salesperson said their products are probably the best on the market but their service sucks when you need them for help. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:28:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7AE37BC1D; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA41288; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:28:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA53676; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:27:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242327.QAA53676@harmony.village.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:03:16 PST." <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:27:56 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <55514.953931796@zippy.cdrom.com> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: : *5* hours? Ulf, YOU SUCK. :-) Seriously, how are you managing this? : I thought the 505R was just a 505sx in slightly new (and cheaper) : clothes. You have some amazing 6X battery? I heard even the : triple-life battery lasted only 3 hours tops, and it already costs : $399 which is a bit steep or I'd have one already. My single life battery lasts approx 80-100 minutes on my 505-TS. I lust after the quad life batteries, but don't lust over paying the $500 they want for them. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:28:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C6337BC1D for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7A4EE1C64; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:28:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:28:13 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: Vincent Poy , Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324182813.K25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <200003242325.SAA94724@whizzo.transsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003242325.SAA94724@whizzo.transsys.com>; from louie@TransSys.COM on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:25:18PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:25:18PM -0500, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > You can have small, or you can have more features/stuff. Previously, I used > a Dell Latitude, with two big honking bays for a battery, CDROM drive, > Floppy Disk, and who know what else. 1024x768 screen. Great laptop. Right > until I hauled that damn thing all the way to CeBIT in Hannover and back > last year. The "big and heavy" exceeded the features and thus, new laptop. You can put a second hard drive in the data bay of the latitudes. Cool stuff. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:28:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2164637BC7F for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30294; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:28:52 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 13:28:52 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003242325.SAA94724@whizzo.transsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > I guess the only drawback is no CD-ROM or DVD of any kind for that > > kind of pricing. I haven't really tried typing on the keyboard but I can > > say that it's way more useful than the WinCE machines like the HP 950LX. > > You can have small, or you can have more features/stuff. Previously, I used > a Dell Latitude, with two big honking bays for a battery, CDROM drive, > Floppy Disk, and who know what else. 1024x768 screen. Great laptop. Right > until I hauled that damn thing all the way to CeBIT in Hannover and back > last year. The "big and heavy" exceeded the features and thus, new laptop. > > It didn't help that I saw the C-1 at the Sony stand while at CeBIT, either :-) Very true indeed. I just meant the Sony PictureBook for it's size would be way better than the HP 950LX WinCE machine =) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:31: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A2037C039; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA41324; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:30:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA53746; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:30:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242330.QAA53746@harmony.village.org> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Cc: Mike Smith , nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams), "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:11:49 +0100." <5692.953932309@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <5692.953932309@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:30:49 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <5692.953932309@critter.freebsd.dk> Poul-Henning Kamp writes: : I generally find that a traveling configuration over 5 lbs is to heavy : to carry in my back-pack "by default". I'd also like to say that I really liked my Libreto 50CT and my brother's 70CT. Just the right size for carrying around. With NetBSD/hpcmips support, I'm starting to think that my next "tiny laptop" will be a NEC MobilePro 800 with an IBM microdisk. IIRC, it is sub 2 pounds. All it needs is good x support for me to consider it. I'd rather spend the $1000 on it to get approx 5 hours of life than to spend less on a mondo battery. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:32:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7A637B66A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:32:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA41349; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:32:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA53787; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:32:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242332.QAA53787@harmony.village.org> To: Jonathan Towne Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:30:37 GMT." <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> References: <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:32:18 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> Jonathan Towne writes: : I really don't have a problem using my Libretto 50ct, granted, its : EXTREMELY tiny, having a 6" screen, and about 1.5hrs of battery life : with the elderly lithium ion battery that i've got.. there are plans : out there for up to 14hrs of battery life.. Luigi appears to have : submitted the plans for the 8hr one.. :) Did you know that 20 1.5V D cells last for about 12 hours on these things? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:42:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4971D37BBF3 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ncbp@bank-pedersen.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 0234A3E26; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:42:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 00:42:31 +0100 From: "Niels Chr. Bank-Pedersen" To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000325004231.A23880@bank-pedersen.dk> References: <200003242212.OAA17104@mina.sr.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bmartus@jade.chc-chimes.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 05:18:22PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 05:18:22PM -0500, Brandon Martus wrote: > > I won a Compaq Presario 1685 in December. > I finally got around to putting FreeBSD 4.0 on it. > > Problems ever since. > I would suggest not getting a Compaq. Depends. Maybe I'm just having luck with my Armada7792DMT (kinda old, I know, but it does the job). X, network, serial, internal modem and sound all works on -current (and 4.0-RELEASE). I'm not saying that recent Compaqs work with FreeBSD (haven't tried any), but I guess its more a question of model than vendor. > Brandon Martus /Niels Chr. -- Niels Christian Bank-Pedersen, NCB1-RIPE. Network Manager, Tele Danmark NET, IP-section. "Hey, are any of you guys out there actually *using* RFC 2549?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:51:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from katroo.Sendmail.COM (katroo.Sendmail.COM [209.246.26.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DBB37BD4A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:51:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chrisd@sendmail.com) Received: from sendmail.com (gabriel.Sendmail.COM [10.210.100.74]) by katroo.Sendmail.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07269; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:50:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38DBFF4C.970F0FA3@sendmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:50:36 -0800 From: Christian DeKonink Organization: Sendmail, Inc - Services Department X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? References: <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> <200003242332.QAA53787@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 20 D cells!? That weighs more than a laptop probably. Plus its not a renewable source so they will fill up the land fills pretty quickly. Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> Jonathan Towne writes: > : I really don't have a problem using my Libretto 50ct, granted, its > : EXTREMELY tiny, having a 6" screen, and about 1.5hrs of battery life > : with the elderly lithium ion battery that i've got.. there are plans > : out there for up to 14hrs of battery life.. Luigi appears to have > : submitted the plans for the 8hr one.. :) > > Did you know that 20 1.5V D cells last for about 12 hours on these > things? > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Christian DeKonink Technical Support Engineer Sendmail Inc. www.sendmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:52:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4AF37B796 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:52:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA41428; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:52:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA53922; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:52:30 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242352.QAA53922@harmony.village.org> To: Brian Reichert Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:03:26 EST." <20000324180326.I21424@numachi.com> References: <20000324180326.I21424@numachi.com> <20000324173650.E21424@numachi.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:52:30 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20000324180326.I21424@numachi.com> Brian Reichert writes: : What _I_ want is a PCMCIA DVD player that at least probes as a : CDROM under FreeBSD. Don't know if that's doable. Something like: : : I wish. :( I've had one report of a pcmcia dvd player "working" for some definition of working. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 15:54: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D464937B7CC for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:54:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA41437; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:54:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA53952; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:53:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003242353.QAA53952@harmony.village.org> To: Christian DeKonink Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Cc: Jonathan Towne , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:50:36 PST." <38DBFF4C.970F0FA3@sendmail.com> References: <38DBFF4C.970F0FA3@sendmail.com> <20000324213037.A12960@minix.cx> <200003242332.QAA53787@harmony.village.org> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:53:52 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <38DBFF4C.970F0FA3@sendmail.com> Christian DeKonink writes: : 20 D cells!? That weighs more than a laptop probably. Plus its not a : renewable source so they will fill up the land fills pretty quickly. But readily available at international airports before long trips. And they are generally after the security checkpoint... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 19:13:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from swan.en-bio.com.au (swan.en-bio.COM.AU [203.35.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE0037B702 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Tony.Maher@eBioinformatics.com) Received: from shad.internal.en-bio (www-cache.en-bio.com.au [203.35.254.2]) by swan.en-bio.com.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA32004; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:12:48 +1100 Received: (from tonym@localhost) by shad.internal.en-bio (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA27342; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:12:19 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:12:19 +1100 (EST) From: Tony Maher Message-Id: <200003250312.OAA27342@shad.internal.en-bio> To: grog@lemis.com Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I find that I increasingly use my laptop for maintaining continuity > while traveling. For that purpose, I need as close an approximation > to my home setup as possible. I am using Dell Inspiron 3500 for exactly that reason, work/home/travel. Have given up on desktops, just connect to servers from laptop. Just upgraded from 3.4 to 4.0 everthing appears perfect (except backlighting doesn't switch off ;-). Many thanks to all the FreeBSD developers! I'd like a bigger screen but the 7000's too big/heavy and expensive (my boss has one). I know there have been lots of suggestions and here's one more The Inspiron 5000 - can get model with big screen 15" 1400 x 1050 and its lighter than the (heavy and ugly) 7000 series. Unofortunately it came out about 3 months after I bought my 3500 and dont actually know anyone with one. But provided X works with the ATI Rage Mobility it would appear be to be an excellent machine. tonym To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 19:21: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from azazel.zer0.org (azazel.zer0.org [209.133.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D8037B7B3; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by azazel.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA22929; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:19:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:19:24 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: Mike Smith Cc: Nate Williams , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000324191924.B22013@azazel.zer0.org> References: <200003242059.NAA09850@nomad.yogotech.com> <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003242111.NAA01676@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 01:11:48PM -0800 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-03-24 13:11 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > After all, if you didn't bring your laptop with you because it was > > > to heavy, what difference will screen size make for you ? > > > > *grin* > > Why bother bringing your laptop if the screen is too small to do real > work on? > > I don't seem to have any problems lugging an i7500 around, and I swear > that it's _nice_ having something that feels close to desktop screen size > to work on. Not to mention the screen envy that all those Techno-Bill > wannabes feel... 8) The laptops from Sager seem to be a good compromise between weight and power, and the price can't be beat, but they only have XGA displays. Another problem is that nobody I know has a current one. A friend has an old (P90?) laptop from them, and he still uses and likes it, but I have heard nothing about their new models. http://www.sagermidern.com/pages/notebooks/comp2.cfm?SelectedType=2850,3350 Does anyone have any knowledge of these computers? Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter If ignorance is bliss, you must be orgasmic. mailto:gsutter@zer0.org http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 19:47:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22E137B547 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12D187555; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24481D8E; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:48:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: bwoods2@uswest.net Cc: Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, William Woods wrote: :Grep, I am useing a IBM Thinkpad 600E right now, I lovre it. works great with :FreeBSD 4.0-stable. I am in X right now at 1024X768 with no probs. He can do 1024x768 on his CPi. I'm assuming he wants at least 1152x900 or better. As I run a CPi as well, I can't help much here. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Mar 24 19:59:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E2637B7C7 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09A907555; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E808A1D89; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:00:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:00:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Greg Lehey Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: :I'm in the market for a new laptop. The single most important feature :is display resolution. I've identified the Dell Inspiron 7500 with a :1400x1050 screen, and I'm quite happy with my current Latitude CPi :(modulo display resolution), but the Inspiron is a clumsy looking :animal, and I'm wondering if there is some other machine with similar :resolution which would work well with FreeBSD. Any ideas? I have a new Dell CP(x?) coming, with the Mobility P in it. I'll let people know if it does more than 1024x768. I've been very pleased with my current CPi for Win98, WinNT and FreeBSD (yes, it does run all three, as it's a work machine, and needs all three). Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 3: 6:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98B837B55F; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com (robinson@fw-24-83-a8.bta.net.cn [202.108.24.83]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16709; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:09:49 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11190; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:12:24 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:12:24 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <200003250712.PAA11190@netrinsics.com> To: grog@lemis.com, msmith@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Cc: mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200003241746.JAA00745@mass.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: >No. I went through this exercise last year, and the i7500 is the only >system that's actually shipping with a megapel display AFAIWATE. The IBM >Thinkpad 770Z was advertised but never appears to have actually shipped >with the 1280x1024 display. Sometimes you can pick up pre-owned 770X on ebay, etc., with 1280x1024 display. I did. It's the only computer I use now. There's just something about a fully digital megapixel+ LCD display. Even high-end CRT's fail side-by-side comparison. Analog LCD displays are a pale imitation. Try it, and you'll never go back. -Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 7:54:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rush.telenordia.se (mail.telenordia.se [194.213.64.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D00BD37B56F for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:54:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark.rowlands@minmail.net) Received: (qmail 21737 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2000 16:54:34 +0100 Received: from bb-k33274.ls.telenordia.se (HELO pcmarmob) (195.100.68.10) by mail.telenordia.se with SMTP; 25 Mar 2000 16:54:34 +0100 From: "Mark Rowlands" To: Subject: RE: What laptop should I buy? Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:56:19 +0100 Message-ID: <001701bf9672$af3864d0$4000a8c0@pcmarmob> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-reply-to: <20000324182813.K25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bill Fumerola > Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 12:28 AM > To: Louis A. Mamakos > Cc: Vincent Poy; Jonathan Towne; freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? > > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 06:25:18PM -0500, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > > You can have small, or you can have more features/stuff. > Previously, I used > > a Dell Latitude, with two big honking bays for a battery, > CDROM drive, > > Floppy Disk, and who know what else. 1024x768 screen. > Great laptop. Right > > until I hauled that damn thing all the way to CeBIT in > Hannover and back > > last year. The "big and heavy" exceeded the features and > thus, new laptop. > At the risk of going off at something of a tangent: being the not so proud owner of an aging, but still very serviceable Nec clone, weighing in at way too many pounds, I ditched the carry case in favour of a Microsoft Technet rucksack which has a certain amount of padding (unsurprisingly) but is nonetheless reasonably portable and has lots of little pockets for the other bits and pieces. This combo has accompanied me all over Europe and on a couple of transatlantic trips and my arms have now returned to their pre laptop size. Good job Bill. Still want a new laptop though. Well done Bill. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 8:24:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lab12.ie.pitt.edu (lab12.ie.pitt.edu [136.142.89.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4E837B8C3 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 08:24:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grafe@lab12.ie.pitt.edu) Received: (from grafe@localhost) by lab12.ie.pitt.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e2PGO0Q12363 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003251624.e2PGO0Q12363@lab12.ie.pitt.edu> From: grafe@lab12.ie.pitt.edu (Gary Rafe) To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Anything equivalent to the Toshiba Libretto ? Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We recently convinced a friend to give FreeBSD a spin on her Toshiba notebook and she's been quite happy with it (used mostly for WordPerfect, Netscape, pine, etc.). Now she's asked about something more portable for travel to Eurpope, along the lines of the Libretto series. Since new Librettos (Libretti ?) seem no longer to be available in the US, can some knowledgable mobile- reader recommmend an equivalent (read: small, light, can run FreeBSD without much loss of functionality) ? -- Gary Rafe gerst4+@pitt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 10:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0AC37B65C for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:09:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id TAA01258 for mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:09:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 0C0CD8869; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:51:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:51:18 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000325105118.A35282@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: mobile@freebsd.org References: <5475.953930963@critter.freebsd.dk> <200003242212.OAA17104@mina.sr.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003242212.OAA17104@mina.sr.hp.com>; from darrylo@sr.hp.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 02:12:38PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Darryl Okahata: > The sleek VAIOs are attractive, but the lack of a built-in CDROM > drive was what killed it for me. However, if you don't need a CDROM > drive, it's a great laptop. I decided that as a FreeBSD only machine, the builtin ethernet port on the 'Z' VAIOs was enough and the lack of a builtin CD-ROM wasn't. The small factor of my Z505SX is more important for me than the screen resolution (although 1024x768x16 on this 12.1" is nice). Having carried two Tadpole laptops (SPARCbooks) a few years ago, I certainly prefer a lighter laptop :) YMMV of course. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #78: Sun Feb 27 15:32:39 CET 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 10:11:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED48937B8CA for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id TAA01294 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:10:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 4754D8869; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:00:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:00:16 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000325110016.C35282@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <20000324215533.A13214@minix.cx> <20000324173650.E21424@numachi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000324173650.E21424@numachi.com>; from reichert@numachi.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 05:36:50PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Brian Reichert: > - the supplied USB-based floopy drive can be booted from, but > FreeBSD knows jack about it. Last I heard (circa this past > summer) was that said floppy was 'next on the list' of targets > by some fanatic group in Japan (hi, guys!). If you're following -mobile, you have seen my message saying that it does work with 5.0-C now that Nick has implemented the support. Just have CAM in your kernel, load the USB KLDs and run usbd. The floppy will appear as da0. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #78: Sun Feb 27 15:32:39 CET 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 10:44: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smartie.braingarage.com (m206-51.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.206.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C3237B81A for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:43:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by smartie.braingarage.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10519; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@braingarage.com) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:43:55 -0800 (PST) From: robert bowen Message-Id: <200003251843.KAA10519@smartie.braingarage.com> X-Authentication-Warning: smartie.braingarage.com: nobody set sender to robert@braingarage.com using -f To: Gary Rafe Reply-To: robert@braingarage.com Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200003251624.e2PGO0Q12363@lab12.ie.pitt.edu> In-Reply-To: <200003251624.e2PGO0Q12363@lab12.ie.pitt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 Subject: Re: Anything equivalent to the Toshiba Libretto ? Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I like my Thinkpad 240 a whole lot. It is a touch bigger than the Libretto but about the same as the Vaio 505's. The negs are 800x600 screen and winmodem, but I have seen them selling dirt cheap (less than $1100 new). Robert Quoting Gary Rafe : > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 12:32:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB6E37B5FA for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:32:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA46279; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA73353; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:32:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003252032.NAA73353@harmony.village.org> To: sanpei@sanpei.org (MIHIRA Yoshiro) Subject: HEADSUP: CARDBUS BRIDGE PUT INTO LEGACY MODE NOW Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:32:16 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003151317.WAA05231@lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp> MIHIRA Yoshiro writes: : I also have TI PCI-1220 NOTE-PC, this NOTE-PC has 2-free-irq-s : (3,11) and irq 10 was shared another device(VGA, USB controller). ... : http://home.jp.FreeBSD.org/~sanpei/4-current/pcic_p-20000207.diff I have just commited a (hopefully) improved version of this patch. This patch turned out to be a superset of what I had done before, and didn't contain some of the bugs that my earlier patches had. Please let me know if this impacts your ability to use the laptop. I took the extraordinary step of always trying to place the cardbus bridge into legacy mode. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 12:36: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4928537B945 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA46312; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA73414; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:35:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003252035.NAA73414@harmony.village.org> To: robert@braingarage.com Subject: Re: Anything equivalent to the Toshiba Libretto ? Cc: Gary Rafe , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:43:55 PST." <200003251843.KAA10519@smartie.braingarage.com> References: <200003251843.KAA10519@smartie.braingarage.com> <200003251624.e2PGO0Q12363@lab12.ie.pitt.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:35:44 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200003251843.KAA10519@smartie.braingarage.com> robert bowen writes: : I like my Thinkpad 240 a whole lot. It is a touch bigger : than the Libretto but about the same as the Vaio 505's. : The negs are 800x600 screen and winmodem, but I have : seen them selling dirt cheap (less than $1100 new). I like the VAIO 505-TS that I have, but you can't seem to get it these days. Sony makes a smaller version of the VAIO called the C1, which is a little larger than the Libretto [57]0CT, and approx the same size as the 100CT series. There's also another small laptop based on the MediaGL chip from whoever owns Cyrinx these days. The Fila sticks in my head, but I'm not 100% sure about that name. Haven't used it, but those that have have complained about its kinda slow speed. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 13: 9:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAC237BCF4 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12YxoQ-0005BU-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:09:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:09:38 -0500 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anything equivalent to the Toshiba Libretto ? Message-ID: <20000325160937.A19869@pir.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200003251843.KAA10519@smartie.braingarage.com> <200003251624.e2PGO0Q12363@lab12.ie.pitt.edu> <200003251843.KAA10519@smartie.braingarage.com> <200003252035.NAA73414@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003252035.NAA73414@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 01:35:44PM -0700 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh probably said: > I like the VAIO 505-TS that I have, but you can't seem to get it these If you search around you can still find people with the 505-TR in stock for around $1400 or so. I'm very happy with mine. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 13:29:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3154637B804 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:29:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from antipode@thpoon.com) Received: from tea.thpoon.com ([24.114.152.71]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000325212808.PZW6372.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@tea.thpoon.com> for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:28:08 -0800 Received: from antipode by tea.thpoon.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12Yy6K-0005ar-00 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:28:08 -0500 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? References: <001701bf9672$af3864d0$4000a8c0@pcmarmob> X-Face: 0=A/O5-+sE[Tf%X>rYr?Y5LD4,:^'jaJ!4jC&UR*ZrrK2>^`g22Qeb]!:d;}2YJ|Hq"LHdF OX`jWX|AT-WVFQ(TPhFVak)0nt$aEdlOq=1~D,:\z5QlVOrZ2(H,mKg=Xr|'VlHA="r Organization: Wgaf From: Arcady Genkin Date: 25 Mar 2000 16:28:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Mark Rowlands"'s message of "Sat, 25 Mar 2000 10:54:54 -0500" Message-ID: <87zorm4u53.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) XEmacs/21.1 (Bryce Canyon) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Mark Rowlands" writes: > I ditched the carry case in favour of a Microsoft Technet > rucksack which has a certain amount of padding > (unsurprisingly) but is nonetheless reasonably portable and > has lots of little pockets for the other bits and pieces. Would you have a URL by any chance? Can it be purchased at all? -- Arcady Genkin http://www.thpoon.com Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 14: 5:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD4837B994; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:05:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA42588; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:05:21 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 12:05:21 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Michael Robinson Cc: grog@lemis.com, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? In-Reply-To: <200003250712.PAA11190@netrinsics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 25 Mar 2000, Michael Robinson wrote: > Mike Smith writes: > >No. I went through this exercise last year, and the i7500 is the only > >system that's actually shipping with a megapel display AFAIWATE. The IBM > >Thinkpad 770Z was advertised but never appears to have actually shipped > >with the 1280x1024 display. > > Sometimes you can pick up pre-owned 770X on ebay, etc., with 1280x1024 display. > I did. It's the only computer I use now. > > There's just something about a fully digital megapixel+ LCD display. Even > high-end CRT's fail side-by-side comparison. Analog LCD displays are a > pale imitation. > > Try it, and you'll never go back. One thing that should be noted with the 770Z's 1280x1024 display is that even with the 8MB Video. At 1280x1024, it will only do 16 bit color and not 32 bit. This is a limitation of the LCD screen and not the video hardware. It will do 32bit color at 1024x768 though. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 14:22:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from wcug.wwu.edu (sloth.wcug.wwu.edu [140.160.164.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC98C37BA25 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:22:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rshannon@wcug.wwu.edu) Received: (qmail 14193 invoked by uid 1146); 25 Mar 2000 22:22:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:22:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Shannon X-Sender: rshannon@sloth To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: PCCARD Modem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having difficulty getting my PCCARD modem working on my Dell Inspiron 3200. I have PPP up and running successfully with an external US Robotics 56K Sportster attached to the serial port. My problem is that I don't know how to reference the PCCARD modem in any of the config files (sio1? cuaa0?), nor to even determine whether I have contact with the PCCARD or not. I did choose PCCARD support in the startup options in /stand/sysinstall and delete all but my modem in /etc/pccard.conf. The pccard modem is a Megahertz 3CCM156 56K Global Modem and I am installing it on a fresh install of FreeBSD 3.4-stable off a Walnut Creek CD-ROM. This is my second install this week, and the first time I could see the name of my card go by at boot time. This time I can't, although I think I've done everything exactly the same. pccardc dumpcis replies o slots found. Any help would be greatly appreciated. :) TIA Ryan Shannon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 16: 2:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3397F37B968 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:02:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirkx@webweaving.org) Received: from kim.ispra.webweaving.org (va-155.skylink.it [194.185.55.155]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23163; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:03:20 +0100 Received: from kim.ispra.webweaving.org (kim.ispra.webweaving.org [10.0.0.2]) by kim.ispra.webweaving.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19101; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:56:21 GMT X-Passed: MX on Ispra.WebWeaving.org Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:56:21 GMT and masked X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:56:21 GMT Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 00:56:20 +0100 (CET) From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik X-Sender: dirkx@kim.ispra.webweaving.org To: Nick Hibma Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: usb on vaio 505tx In-Reply-To: <38DBB0FB.E822528C@calcaphon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Nick Hibma wrote: > First of all the generic case does not cover for that, no. Second, it > isn't possible to have more than one dhcpclient running (try it! I've > tried the kue interface on the laptop with a ep0 card as well :-). The > trouble is that you then will have to figure out which interfaces need > to be managed by dhclient, so you are looking at more trouble than I > was willing to handle. In general killing the dhclient is The Right > Thing (tm). But you can get the dhclient to handle multiple interfaces, or skip to the wide client which you can run on multiple interfaces independently. DW To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 19:35:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4A937B82B for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:35:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E3CEB1C4A; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:35:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:35:52 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000325223552.O25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from ragnar@sysabend.org on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 08:00:28PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 08:00:28PM -0800, Jamie Bowden wrote: > I have a new Dell CP(x?) coming, with the Mobility P in it. I'll > let people know if it does more than 1024x768. I had one of these and found that 'startx' was an excellent way to reboot them real quickly. I reverted back to my old neomagic and never tried to debug it. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 19:57:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C3C37B8AE for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:57:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA47634; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA77454; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:57:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003260357.UAA77454@harmony.village.org> To: Bill Fumerola Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Cc: Jamie Bowden , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:35:52 EST." <20000325223552.O25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000325223552.O25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:57:22 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20000325223552.O25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> Bill Fumerola writes: : I had one of these and found that 'startx' was an excellent way to : reboot them real quickly. : : I reverted back to my old neomagic and never tried to debug it. That's what you get when using a machine that uses video memory for audio buffers :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 20: 9:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from webmail.lvcablemodem.com (hams2.lvcablemodem.com [24.234.0.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF31737B7AB for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from slumos@nevada.edu) Received: from localhost ([24.234.19.246]) by webmail.lvcablemodem.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:05:11 -0800 From: slumos@nevada.edu To: grafe@lab12.ie.pitt.edu (Gary Rafe) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anything equivalent to the Toshiba Libretto ? In-Reply-To: Message from grafe@lab12.ie.pitt.edu (Gary Rafe) of "Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:24:00 EST." <200003251624.e2PGO0Q12363@lab12.ie.pitt.edu> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:09:03 -0800 Message-ID: <014341105041a30HAMS2@webmail.lvcablemodem.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org grafe@lab12.ie.pitt.edu (Gary Rafe): >Now she's asked about something more portable >for travel to Eurpope, >along the lines of the Libretto series. >Since new Librettos (Libretti ?) >seem no longer to be available in the US, >can some knowledgable mobile- reader recommmend an equivalent >(read: small, light, can run FreeBSD >without much loss of functionality) ? There are some companies that import laptops from Japan: http://www.dynamism.com/ http://www.jpd.com/ I don't know anyone who has purchased from them, I just happened to find them a couple years ago while net.searching for IBM PC110 (I think that's what is was called), and I look at them periodically to see all the cool, *small* notebooks. The both carry the Libretto with the built-in camera and MP3 player remote, and also the Sony PCG-C1XF Picturebook. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 20:19:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404F337B83A for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:19:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 956A81C4A; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:19:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 23:19:31 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: Warner Losh Cc: Jamie Bowden , Greg Lehey , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What laptop should I buy? Message-ID: <20000325231931.P25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000325223552.O25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> <20000324091703.A1349@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <20000325223552.O25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> <200003260357.UAA77454@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003260357.UAA77454@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 08:57:22PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 08:57:22PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > : I reverted back to my old neomagic and never tried to debug it. > > That's what you get when using a machine that uses video memory for > audio buffers :-) Yes, but at least it's _usable_ audio and video. :-> (it had ESS Maestro sound) -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 20:27:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from angmar.mel.vet.com.au (angmar.mel.vet.com.au [203.103.154.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4F537B905 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:27:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thutton@vet.com.au) Received: from foo.mel.vet.com.au (foo.mel.vet.com.au [203.103.154.60]) by angmar.mel.vet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28738 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:27:37 +1000 (EST) From: Toby Hutton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14557.37304.690957.783471@foo.mel.vet.com.au> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:27:36 +1000 (EST) To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: pccardd and 4.0? X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: Toby Hutton Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My apologies if this has been covered but I've browsed the lists recently and haven't found a solution for my problem. If I'm wrong, please point me to a relevant date to check up on in the archives :) I've been running 4.0-STABLE and yesterday bought a cheap SureCom adapter, an NE2000 clone. I've added an entry in pccard.conf but I get an error: Device not configured. I'm thinking this is because pccardd can't attach to the ed0 device? I also assume I need an ed0 entry in my kernel for it to work? I noticed that pccardd is still being 'cleaned up' for 4.0. Do I need to wait for this to be finalised? Thanks! -- Toby. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 20:32:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEED37B894 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:32:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA47747; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:32:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA77686; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:32:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003260432.VAA77686@harmony.village.org> To: Toby Hutton Subject: Re: pccardd and 4.0? Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:27:36 +1000." <14557.37304.690957.783471@foo.mel.vet.com.au> References: <14557.37304.690957.783471@foo.mel.vet.com.au> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:32:21 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <14557.37304.690957.783471@foo.mel.vet.com.au> Toby Hutton writes: : I've been running 4.0-STABLE and yesterday bought a cheap SureCom : adapter, an NE2000 clone. If it really is a NE-2000 clone, it should just work. : I've added an entry in pccard.conf but I get an error: Device not : configured. I'm thinking this is because pccardd can't attach to the : ed0 device? I also assume I need an ed0 entry in my kernel for it to : work? Likely a problem in pccard.conf. There's likely a resource conflict. You might try booting -v to see if more information is given. Also, raising the debugging level to 4 in /etc/pccard.conf (copy it from /etc/pccard.conf.sample and start hacking). : I noticed that pccardd is still being 'cleaned up' for 4.0. Do I need : to wait for this to be finalised? Nah, this should just work, if properly configured. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 21:38:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D938A37B986 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:38:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA47903; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:38:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA78165; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:38:35 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003260538.WAA78165@harmony.village.org> To: Bill Fumerola Subject: Re: pcic hangups Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.org, Brandon Martus In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:30:04 EST." <20000324163004.C25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000324163004.C25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:38:35 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20000324163004.C25438@jade.chc-chimes.com> Bill Fumerola writes: : pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 irq 10 on isa0 : pcic0: management irq 10 Hmmm. I'll keep this in mind. It will go from mind to code in the fullness of time. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Mar 25 21:42:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62AF37B99E for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:42:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA47928 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:42:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA78272 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:42:33 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003260542.WAA78272@harmony.village.org> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: pccard.conf.sample entries Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:42:33 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just flushed my queue of pccard.conf.sample entries and committed them to -current. If you are using an entry not in the latest pccard.conf.sample, please send it to me privately. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message