From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Feb 21 0:13: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFCA37C1C4; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA92004; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:12:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA19301; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:12:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200002210812.BAA19301@harmony.village.org> To: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai=?iso-8859-1?q?_Gro=DFjohann?=) Subject: Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2 Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "18 Feb 2000 23:09:16 +0100." References: <79206.950898990@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:12:43 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Kai=?iso-8859-1?q?_Gro=DFjohann?= writes: : Does this mean that this option should be called `guided'? I know a : little bit about Unix but haven't installed FreeBSD more than five : times or so. And I always thought that the novice install meant that : I didn't get as many choices... "The FreeBSD Installation Wizard" is what you are trying to say... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Feb 21 4: 2:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [194.217.50.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A326737BC00; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: from originative.co.uk (lobster.originative.co.uk [194.217.50.241]) by mail.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDD31D12B; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:02:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <38B12956.33A6303B@originative.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:02:30 +0000 From: Paul Richards Organization: Originative Solutions Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: dcs@newsguy.com, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: feedback on CD install of 4.0-RC2 References: <200002192226.QAA92457@prism.flugsvamp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > In article you write: > >Kai Großjohann wrote: > >> > >> "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > >> > >> > I really kinda wish you'd point them to Novice^H^H^H^H^HStandard > >> > instead since it does more than be a bit more verbose, it also makes > >> > sure that all the appropriate steps are covered and prevents even > >> > relatively skilled people from hanging themselves. > >> > >> Does this mean that this option should be called `guided'? I know a > >> little bit about Unix but haven't installed FreeBSD more than five > >> times or so. And I always thought that the novice install meant that > >> I didn't get as many choices... > > > >"Guided". I like it. That's *PRECISELY* what this installation option > >is. There is NO difference in the number of choices available in any of > >the three types. > > > >Guided/Express/Expert. That's my vote. > > Cool, seconded. I actually use "novice" most of the time, simply > because I like the hints that help me not to screw up, and I've been > using this option (or equivalent) since 1.1.5 at least. > > Guided sounds like a better description to me. Possibly, the mistake here is to present the "custom" option as an install method at all. Given that "novice" walks you through the install steps but still allows you to do a customised install, it should perhaps be called "installation", the custom option should be changed to something like "maintenance" because really that's where it's useful in that you can go fix any bit of the system without having to walk through all the installation steps. No new users would try and use "maintenance" to do their installation with. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Feb 23 14: 4:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pinenut.nosc.mil (pinenut.nosc.mil [198.253.4.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A35837B9FD; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:04:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from syed@pinenut.nosc.mil) Received: (from syed@localhost) by pinenut.nosc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA43647; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:03:51 GMT (envelope-from syed) From: basit Syed Message-Id: <200002231403.OAA43647@pinenut.nosc.mil> Subject: SYSINSTALL FEEDBACK for 4.0-20000214-CURRENT To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:03:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sysinstall feedback 0. installed using file system, nfs, and ftp. all were successfully completed. installation hardware was Tecra750CDT, AMD K-2 and a PENTIUM desktop. I installed X-USER distro, KDE and GNOME. a. in many menus the SPACE and the RETURN key have the same function. b. XFREE86 configuration menu: all the accelerators are "X". c. menus that have "All" and "Reset": the brackets in front of "All" should be deleted. d. "All" and "Reset" entries from XFree86 Distribution menu should be removed. The All and Reset functionality is avaiable in the "Basic", "Server", "Fonts" submenus. e. if installing via nfs or ftp and an error is made in the NFS file or FTP site, the interface is shutdown and the routing tables are flushed. This forces the installer to reboot using the floppies before installation can continue. otherwise sysinstall complains about "unable to resolv hostname...". e. installed netscape 4.7, however execution results in libXt.so.6.0 missing. there is a link to libXt.so.6 in /usr/X11R6/lib. 1. the letter "O" key works as a back to the previous position key. therefore the "OPTION" entry is disabled where "O" is the accelerator. 2. the escape key is not documented. 3. the accelerator key gets initialized to numeric value "1" for every menu. e.g., if the first entry in the menu is "X", as in "Choose Distributions", the accelerator function thinks that is the first entry and the accelerator keys "1", "2", etc., do not work properly. in this case all the keys are offset by "3" because there are 3 accelerator entries before the "1". 4. the accelerator keys work within the displayed screen. if the screen is scrolled down/up to view more options then cannot use the accelerator key to select the entries that have scrolled off of the screen. example, "Choose Distributions" menu scroll down, now cannot accelerate using "X". 5. If using the "UPGRADE" option make sure that the root partition has approximately 12Mbytes of unused space. otherwise the root partition runs out of space. 6. Using the UPGRADE option the main sysinstall menu screen is not taken down, i.e. subsequent screens are superimposed on the main menu screen. 7. there are errors in the /etc/pccard.conf file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message