From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 2:38:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8188D37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 02:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bender (adlax2-214.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.52.214]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA30695 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:36:34 +1100 Message-ID: <016a01c03d9d$eb2c6950$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> From: "Martin Minkus" To: Subject: Anyone out there ? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:06:40 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0167_01C03DED.8A3D23A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C03DED.8A3D23A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heeeelllllllloooooooooooo ............ *hears echo* Is anyone out there ? I've got an old SparcServer 10 sitting around, and after trying OpenBSD = and Linux on it, i'm very interested in the possibility of porting my = favourite OS to it. Whilist i'm a competent C coder, and have done ASM (MIPS/SGI), i have = effectively no experience as a kernel coder. It also seems the FreeBSD/Sparc port is quite dead ? :( (http://people.freebsd.org/~obrien/freebsd-sparc/) martin. -- diskiller@diskiller.net | www.diskiller.net | irc.diskiller.net | my = world ------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C03DED.8A3D23A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Heeeelllllllloooooooooooo = ............
 
*hears echo*
 
Is anyone out there ?
 
 
I've got an old SparcServer 10 sitting = around, and=20 after trying OpenBSD and Linux on it, i'm very interested in the = possibility of=20 porting my favourite OS to it.
 
Whilist i'm a competent C coder, and = have done ASM=20 (MIPS/SGI), i have effectively no experience as a kernel = coder.
 
It also seems the FreeBSD/Sparc = port is quite=20 dead ? :(
 
(http://people.f= reebsd.org/~obrien/freebsd-sparc/)
 
martin.
 
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diskiller@diskiller.net | www.diskiller.net | = irc.diskiller.net | my=20 world
------=_NextPart_000_0167_01C03DED.8A3D23A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 7:25: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from infinity.telemere.net (unknown [63.225.149.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEF137B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 07:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by infinity.telemere.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DC3AA1F14; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:51:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:51:06 -0500 From: Damieon Stark To: Martin Minkus Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? Message-ID: <20001024095106.B11233@infinity.telemere.net> References: <016a01c03d9d$eb2c6950$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Y7xTucakfITjPcLV" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <016a01c03d9d$eb2c6950$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net>; from diskiller@diskiller.net on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 07:06:40PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Y7xTucakfITjPcLV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 07:06:40PM +0930, Martin Minkus wrote: > Heeeelllllllloooooooooooo ............ >=20 > *hears echo* >=20 > Is anyone out there ? Yea, there are a few of us hangin around... >=20 > It also seems the FreeBSD/Sparc port is quite dead ? :( It is true that it seems that the port needs a kickstart. I have been holding off for the coupla new suns I am getting, and then I plan to attempt to help things move along. How many people out there are listening, and is there any work being done right now? Soon now I will be having hardware to assist=20 working on the project, but list (if any) of projects (and don't just say everything ;) would be super kewl. Anybody got anything going on? Visigoth Damieon Stark Network Architect/Security Officer CovertData Systems --Y7xTucakfITjPcLV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.1i iQA/AwUBOfWTyTnmC/+RTnGeEQIfoQCg6XOhc3Z9XzJPHMLrn2zgK+wZSyYAn3Lb geWAgn9UzmIkwau15hEGGBHD =HwX4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Y7xTucakfITjPcLV-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 8:38:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD2237B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13o5fZ-0000Lv-00; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:07:17 -0600 Message-ID: <39F5A5A5.1E90A352@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:07:17 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damieon Stark Cc: Martin Minkus , freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? References: <016a01c03d9d$eb2c6950$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> <20001024095106.B11233@infinity.telemere.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Damieon Stark wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 07:06:40PM +0930, Martin Minkus wrote: > > Heeeelllllllloooooooooooo ............ > > > > *hears echo* > > > > Is anyone out there ? > > Yea, there are a few of us hangin around... > > > > It also seems the FreeBSD/Sparc port is quite dead ? :( > > It is true that it seems that the port needs a kickstart. I > have been holding off for the coupla new suns I am getting, and then > I plan to attempt to help things move along. > > How many people out there are listening, Several. ;^) > and is there any work being done right now? Not really. > Soon now I will be having hardware to assist > working on the project, but list (if any) of projects (and don't just > say everything ;) would be super kewl. Anybody got anything going on? The last round of discussion was a) what kind of SPARC systems do we want to support (the most vocal arguments being only the PCI-based UltraSPARC machines, but far from consensus) and b) how much code were we going to get from BSD/OS, which still remains to be seen. The SPARC port will actually start moving when ONE person who really wants it steps forward and starts driving things. I have two years experience writing low-level firmware in SPARC (32-bit) assembler, and am happy to assist in writing startup code, etc. I don't have much time to dedicate, but will help when and where I can. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 10: 0:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F02737B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3A4103294; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:24:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2748F3293; Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:24:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 09:24:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Martin Minkus Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? In-Reply-To: <016a01c03d9d$eb2c6950$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've got an old SparcServer 10 sitting around, and after trying > OpenBSD and Linux on it, i'm very interested in the possibility of > porting my favourite OS to it. Woo Hoo! > It also seems the FreeBSD/Sparc port is quite dead ? :( Well... waiting for someone to head it up... We're short on talent right now... :( I personally only have an IPX and a couple of Sparc 1+... and no programming skills... :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 10:12:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from pfa0frpk001.panasonicfa.com (unknown [38.248.119.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B5D37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.panasonicfa.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:12:09 -0500 Message-ID: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC4@exchange.panasonicfa.com> From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: "'hamellr@heorot.1nova.com'" Cc: "'diskiller@diskiller.net'" , "'freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Anyone out there ? Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:12:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have SPARCstation IPC, Hell Yeah, it would be nice to run FreeBSD, instead of OpenBSD. However, same story, I have no programming skills :) But I would like to see this project moving. Andrei. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Hamell [mailto:hamellr@heorot.1nova.com] Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:25 AM To: Martin Minkus Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? > I've got an old SparcServer 10 sitting around, and after trying > OpenBSD and Linux on it, i'm very interested in the possibility of > porting my favourite OS to it. Woo Hoo! > It also seems the FreeBSD/Sparc port is quite dead ? :( Well... waiting for someone to head it up... We're short on talent right now... :( I personally only have an IPX and a couple of Sparc 1+... and no programming skills... :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 10:46:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.ukservers.net (henry.ukservers.net [213.38.87.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE4437B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop (pc-62-31-72-14-tw.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.72.14]) by smtp.ukservers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D4E80CB for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:46:31 +0100 (BST) From: "Peter Stubbs" To: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:46:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? Reply-To: peter@stubbs-family.org Message-ID: <39F5D8F8.11775.3BAC08@localhost> In-reply-to: <016a01c03d9d$eb2c6950$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 24 Oct 2000, at 19:06, Martin Minkus wrote: > Heeeelllllllloooooooooooo ............ > > *hears echo* > > Is anyone out there ? I'll hold up my hand and say that I've been lurking on this list for what seems like years. I'm another non coder with an old sparc (LX) running redhat in this case. Perhaps I'll get openBSD onto it sometime. Building tool chains is more than I can do. I would be willing to test once we get to that stage. Cheers, Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 10:47:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500A237B4CF for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA17083; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 10:46:17 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wes Peters Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? Message-ID: <20001024104617.A17052@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org References: <016a01c03d9d$eb2c6950$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> <20001024095106.B11233@infinity.telemere.net> <39F5A5A5.1E90A352@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39F5A5A5.1E90A352@softweyr.com>; from wes@softweyr.com on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 09:07:17AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 09:07:17AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > b) how much code were we going to get from BSD/OS, which still remains > to be seen. Committers already have access to the BSD/OS code. NetBSD 1.5 will suposedly run on U5/10's. So that is another code base to barrow from (with giving credit of course). One could certainly get far with a U1/2. (don't forget I offered a U1 to anyone that was going to do _real_ work on the sparc64 port. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 11: 8:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from virtual-voodoo.com (virtual-voodoo.com [204.120.165.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269CF37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by virtual-voodoo.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9OI7wu36699; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:07:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:07:58 -0500 From: Steve Ames To: Rick Hamell Cc: Martin Minkus , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? Message-ID: <20001024130758.A18939@virtual-voodoo.com> References: <016a01c03d9d$eb2c6950$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 09:24:42AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a couple of Ultra5, a good application coding background, and a strong _DESIRE_ to learn to code at a lower level. Someone needs to lead and I'll be happy follower/contributor/tester. -Steve On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 09:24:42AM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > I've got an old SparcServer 10 sitting around, and after trying > > OpenBSD and Linux on it, i'm very interested in the possibility of > > porting my favourite OS to it. > > Woo Hoo! > > > It also seems the FreeBSD/Sparc port is quite dead ? :( > > Well... waiting for someone to head it up... We're short on talent > right now... :( I personally only have an IPX and a couple of Sparc > 1+... and no programming skills... :) > > Rick > > ******************************************************************* > Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd > Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware > ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Oct 24 15:58:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF9A37B479 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bender (adlax2-214.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.52.214]) by mail04.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04968; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:54:40 +1100 Message-ID: <029901c03e0d$6bb058b0$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> From: "Martin Minkus" To: "Gerald Heinig" Cc: References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC4@exchange.panasonicfa.com> Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:24:45 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I subscribed to this list a few days ago, and after hearing nothing but crickets (and the occasional NT server reboot far off in the distance) i thought it was time to shake the stick, and see what response i can get ;) Seems good so far :-) I have a Sun IPX, and Sun SparcServer 10 (both of which i picked up for free recently). Okay. I believe the website (http://people.freebsd.org/~obrien/freebsd-sparc/) shows there was a bias to simply develop for PCI based Ultra's (Sparc64 port?), which i definately have no access to. (Unless i can steal one from my university ;-) It appears there are several people with the older 32bit Sparcs on this list, but they don't have any coding experience. I do, but only in userspace, though i've been slowly trying to make my move up into the kernel :) It appears there would have to be two seperate ports, FreeBSD/sparc, and FreeBSD/sparc64, but only differing in the kernel, the userspace would be the same? This appears to be what Linux (I just read the UltraLinux website) have done, and so has Net and OpenBSD. I have little experience with the sparc architecture, so i'm unaware of the differences (between Sparc and Sparc64), but if the two are vastly different, we'll have two maintain two seperate porting efforts... (OpenBSD has done this, but the Sparc64 port has lagged and/or is dead) The linux kernel also seems to do some funky shit like binary patch itself on boot ... :/ PROMLIB: Sun Boot Prom Version 3 Revision 2 Linux version 2.2.14-5.0 (root@lisa.devel.redhat.com) (gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)) #1 Tue Mar 7 20 :54:26 EST 2000 ARCH: SUN4M TYPE: Sun4m SparcStation10/20 Ethernet address: 8:0:20:1d:c7:d7 Boot time fixup v1.6. 4/Mar/98 Jakub Jelinek (jj@ultra.linux.cz). Patching kernel for srmmu[TI Viking]/iommu [0]: v[f0000000,f1000000](1000000) p[00000000] [1]: v[f4000000,f5000000](1000000) p[04000000] [2]: v[f8000000,f9000000](1000000) p[08000000] [3]: v[fc000000,fcf5e000](f5e000) p[0c000000] SRMMU: Compact physical memory. Using strightforward VA<->PA translations. Found CPU 0 Found 1 CPU prom device tree node(s). Power off control detected. Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Calibrating delay loop... 39.94 BogoMIPS Memory: 60892k available (1180k kernel code, 2692k data, 124k init) [f0000000,fd000000] ... and so on. In any case, for myself, i'm probably just going to continue learning about kernel space, and meddling with the Sparc kernel code in Net/OpenBSD and eventually see what i can do about FreeBSD porting. I won't be able to help with Sparc64 at all i don't believe. martin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zaitsau, Andrei" To: Cc: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:42 AM Subject: RE: Anyone out there ? > I have SPARCstation IPC, Hell Yeah, it would be nice to run FreeBSD, instead > of OpenBSD. However, same story, I have no programming skills :) > But I would like to see this project moving. > Andrei. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Hamell [mailto:hamellr@heorot.1nova.com] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 4:25 AM > To: Martin Minkus > Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? > > > > > I've got an old SparcServer 10 sitting around, and after trying > > OpenBSD and Linux on it, i'm very interested in the possibility of > > porting my favourite OS to it. > > Woo Hoo! > > > It also seems the FreeBSD/Sparc port is quite dead ? :( > > Well... waiting for someone to head it up... We're short on talent > right now... :( I personally only have an IPX and a couple of Sparc > 1+... and no programming skills... :) > > Rick > > ******************************************************************* > Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd > Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware > ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 0:23: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D9A37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13oL5I-0000Jf-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:34:52 -0600 Message-ID: <39F68D1C.45F9F336@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:34:52 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Minkus Cc: Gerald Heinig , freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC4@exchange.panasonicfa.com> <029901c03e0d$6bb058b0$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin Minkus wrote: > > I subscribed to this list a few days ago, and after hearing nothing but > crickets (and the occasional NT server reboot far off in the distance) i > thought it was time to shake the stick, and see what response i can get ;) > Seems good so far :-) > > I have a Sun IPX, and Sun SparcServer 10 (both of which i picked up for free > recently). > > Okay. > > I believe the website (http://people.freebsd.org/~obrien/freebsd-sparc/) > shows there was a bias to simply develop for PCI based Ultra's (Sparc64 > port?), which i definately have no access to. (Unless i can steal one from > my university ;-) > > It appears there are several people with the older 32bit Sparcs on this > list, but they don't have any coding experience. I do, but only in > userspace, though i've been slowly trying to make my move up into the kernel > :) > > It appears there would have to be two seperate ports, FreeBSD/sparc, and > FreeBSD/sparc64, but only differing in the kernel, the userspace would be > the same? This appears to be what Linux (I just read the UltraLinux website) > have done, and so has Net and OpenBSD. > > I have little experience with the sparc architecture, so i'm unaware of the > differences (between Sparc and Sparc64), but if the two are vastly > different, we'll have two maintain two seperate porting efforts... (OpenBSD > has done this, but the Sparc64 port has lagged and/or is dead) > > The linux kernel also seems to do some funky shit like binary patch itself > on boot ... :/ Shit is right. Trust me, you can "binary patch" 32-bit SPARC instructions into 64-bit SPARC instructions. You're free to work on whatever you want, but the general consensus for all of us keepers of SPARC 1s, 2s, 5s, 10s, 20s, IPCs, and IPXs, was that it would be hard enough to get a port going for modern 64-bit machines, let alone doing it for ancient hardware, and NetBSD and OpenBSD support them quite adequately already. FWIW, FreeBSD isn't really interested in "hobby" ports anymore. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 4:52:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6053137B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 04:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bender (adlax2-241.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.52.241]) by mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA00828; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:52:04 +1100 Message-ID: <006d01c03e7a$068ba080$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> From: "Martin Minkus" To: "Wes Peters" Cc: References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC4@exchange.panasonicfa.com> <029901c03e0d$6bb058b0$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> <39F68D1C.45F9F336@softweyr.com> Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:22:08 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > The linux kernel also seems to do some funky shit like binary patch itself > > on boot ... :/ > > Shit is right. Trust me, you can "binary patch" 32-bit SPARC instructions > into 64-bit SPARC instructions. Can you ? I don't know much about the sparc architecture. yet. > You're free to work on whatever you want, but the general consensus for all > of us keepers of SPARC 1s, 2s, 5s, 10s, 20s, IPCs, and IPXs, was that it > would be hard enough to get a port going for modern 64-bit machines, let > alone doing it for ancient hardware, and NetBSD and OpenBSD support them > quite adequately already. FWIW, FreeBSD isn't really interested in "hobby" > ports anymore. Hrm. Yes, i think i see you have a pretty good point here. So i guess the FreeBSD/sparc porting effort should concentrate on the PCI based Ultra's. (And should probably be called FreeBSD/sparc64). If anybody else out there is interested in doing a port to the old Sparc's, please drop me a line though. I'm going to try and meddle with Net/Open on my Sparc10 and see how i go, and if i ever manage to get my hands on an Ultra i might be able to help in thet porting effort. martin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 5:32:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.monmouth.com (mail.monmouth.com [209.191.58.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4809D37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 05:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com (bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com [209.191.48.174]) by mail.monmouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09311 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id e9PCe3k05581 for freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:40:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pechter) From: Bill Pechter Message-Id: <200010251240.e9PCe3k05581@bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com> Subject: Re:Sparc port going 64 bit In-Reply-To: from freebsd-sparc-digest at "Oct 25, 2000 04:52:41 am" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com X-Phone-Number: 732-935-0629 X-OS-Type: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com) wrote: > You're free to work on whatever you want, but the general consensus for all > of us keepers of SPARC 1s, 2s, 5s, 10s, 20s, IPCs, and IPXs, was that it > would be hard enough to get a port going for modern 64-bit machines, let > alone doing it for ancient hardware, and NetBSD and OpenBSD support them > quite adequately already. FWIW, FreeBSD isn't really interested in "hobby" > ports anymore. This is why there ain't gonna be an Ultra Port for a while. Most of the folks who will volunteer to work on the stuff don't have or want to purchase Ultras... FWIW -- this is why Linux is getting all the different platform support and we're not. If it ran better under full load and ran with a more reliable file system I'd be worried about FreeBSD's survival. 8-) FreeBSD is the best Unix for i386... but we've not shown any real moves to the multiplatform area. A lot of us have scrounged Sparc2's (if I could scrounge a 10 or 20 it'd be running Solaris 8 to be compatible with the office for work at home). My two Sparc's (Sparc2 class machines) are in the garage with Solaris Linux, OpenBSD and NetBSD. I've pretty much given up the idea of FreeBSD on the Sparc 10's and stuff at work so I've gone back to Solaris on them. NetBSD and OpenBSD were ok -- but they didn't have the ports depth of FreeBSD and they were a bit harder to work with and support. It's just the way it seems to be. I'm sure core would love to see the port happen -- just there's no real strong leader on the Sparc side doing the coordination and push. Unfortunately, (or fortunately for me -- since I wanted the job change after 14 years of Sysadmin work) -- I'm moving out of Sysadmin and am decommissioning the FreeBSD boxes at my office and moving all to Solaris to make it easier for them to find a qualified person to admin there. (Linux, Solaris, WinNT, Win95/98). Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 8:34:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B836137B4CF for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA61317; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:34:16 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit Message-ID: <20001025083416.I21047@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200010251240.e9PCe3k05581@bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010251240.e9PCe3k05581@bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com>; from pechter@pechter.dyndns.org on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:40:02AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:40:02AM -0400, Bill Pechter wrote: > Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com) wrote: > > You're free to work on whatever you want, but the general consensus for all > > of us keepers of SPARC 1s, 2s, 5s, 10s, 20s, IPCs, and IPXs, was that it > > would be hard enough to get a port going for modern 64-bit machines, let > > alone doing it for ancient hardware, and NetBSD and OpenBSD support them > > quite adequately already. FWIW, FreeBSD isn't really interested in "hobby" > > ports anymore. > > This is why there ain't gonna be an Ultra Port for a while. > Most of the folks who will volunteer to work on the stuff don't have or > want to purchase Ultras... I've already offered twice U1's to those that will do some real work towards the FreeBSD/sparc64 effort. > FreeBSD is the best Unix for i386... but we've not shown any real moves to > the multiplatform area. Uh... the Alpha? The IA-64? The Mac-PowerPC? -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 8:41:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECE537B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bender (adlax2-241.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.52.241]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA23153 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:40:35 +1100 Message-ID: <00c901c03e99$eed99850$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> From: "Martin Minkus" To: References: <200010251240.e9PCe3k05581@bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com> <20001025083416.I21047@dragon.nuxi.com> Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:10:41 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > This is why there ain't gonna be an Ultra Port for a while. > > Most of the folks who will volunteer to work on the stuff don't have or > > want to purchase Ultras... > > I've already offered twice U1's to those that will do some real work > towards the FreeBSD/sparc64 effort. I don't know how seriously involved I will get at this stage, but if in the coming months i am, you can always send me a U1 :) I'm in australia, however. > > FreeBSD is the best Unix for i386... but we've not shown any real moves to > > the multiplatform area. > > Uh... the Alpha? The IA-64? The Mac-PowerPC? Most people are unaware of the existance of these ports. (specifically IA-64 and PowerPC). maritn. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 9:20:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.monmouth.com (mail.monmouth.com [209.191.58.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325AA37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com (bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com [209.191.59.182]) by mail.monmouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29535 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id e9PGRhX06054 for sparc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:27:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pechter) From: Bill Pechter Message-Id: <200010251627.e9PGRhX06054@bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit In-Reply-To: <20001025083416.I21047@dragon.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Oct 25, 2000 08:34:16 am" To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com X-Phone-Number: 732-935-0629 X-OS-Type: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:40:02AM -0400, Bill Pechter wrote: > > FreeBSD is the best Unix for i386... but we've not shown any real moves to > > the multiplatform area. > > Uh... the Alpha? The IA-64? The Mac-PowerPC? > > -- > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > Not to disagree, but the Alpha is it at this time. Period. Anyone have FreeBSD running on an IA-64 at this time in real production? Does intel use it in production yet? Bet they're not yet. Hell, the chip's not even available to us everyday folks. as far as PowerPC -- Anyone have it running on a PowerPC box at this time in production? IBM had Solaris available on PowerPC and NT for a real short time around 94... Guess how many people bet on that combo. I had a lot of PowerPC boxes here running AIX... (some with MacOS and AIX on an IBM MicroChannel 7012 box). Right now it's Solaris, WinNT/9x, Mandrake Linux, and my last FreeBSD box... (running 4.0-Stable and my home grown backup program migrating to Solaris 8 and Veritas NetBackup). Bill -- bpechter@monmouth.com | FreeBSD since 1.0.2, Linux since 0.99.10 | Unix Sys Admin since Sys V/BSD 4.2 | Windows System Administration: "Magical Misery Tour To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 9:29:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADE137B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9025B3294; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:53:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725CB3293; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:53:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 08:53:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Wes Peters Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? In-Reply-To: <39F68D1C.45F9F336@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You're free to work on whatever you want, but the general consensus for all > of us keepers of SPARC 1s, 2s, 5s, 10s, 20s, IPCs, and IPXs, was that it > would be hard enough to get a port going for modern 64-bit machines, let > alone doing it for ancient hardware, and NetBSD and OpenBSD support them > quite adequately already. FWIW, FreeBSD isn't really interested in "hobby" > ports anymore. Of course the biggest problem to me is the cost of Sparc Architecture... I can get Ultra 5 in the $900-$1000 range. Yet can go down to my local computer store a buy a decent PC for $400. Yes Sparc Hardware is good, and if I needed it, might be worth the money. But I've been building good quality servers for years and find it hard to justify the extra money for a Sparc machine when PC does just as well. :) On the other hand, I'd love to run FreeBSD on the four older sparc machines I have for a more unified environment on my network. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 10:20:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F98337B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13894; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:20:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit In-Reply-To: <20001025083416.I21047@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:40:02AM -0400, Bill Pechter wrote: > > Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com) wrote: > > > You're free to work on whatever you want, but the general consensus for all > > > of us keepers of SPARC 1s, 2s, 5s, 10s, 20s, IPCs, and IPXs, was that it > > > would be hard enough to get a port going for modern 64-bit machines, let > > > alone doing it for ancient hardware, and NetBSD and OpenBSD support them > > > quite adequately already. FWIW, FreeBSD isn't really interested in "hobby" > > > ports anymore. > > > > This is why there ain't gonna be an Ultra Port for a while. > > Most of the folks who will volunteer to work on the stuff don't have or > > want to purchase Ultras... > Not sure I agree with this. Let NetBSD keep doing the excellent job it does do on all the different platforms it supports- including 32 bit sparc. It's also doing a good, but slow, job of getting to sparc64 (and doing it right). FreeBSD has different markets/customers, though, and the ones for Sparc don't give a hoot about 32 bit sparc. David has offered a U1 for folks wanting to work on this. Frankly, this is helpful, but a tougher call- we'd have to support SBus right away, and, frankly, I'd also like to avoid that as well- so the first model supported is likely to be U10/PCI (Simba chipset) with U30/60 being a close followon (Psycho). All of this will have to be (officially) reverse engineered from Linux && NetBSD-sparc64 implementations as the doc sets are a bit hard to find and/or sparse (especially wrt chip *and* OBP errata). -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 10:21:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295BA37B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13903; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:21:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Martin Minkus Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit In-Reply-To: <00c901c03e99$eed99850$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Uh... the Alpha? The IA-64? The Mac-PowerPC? > > Most people are unaware of the existance of these ports. (specifically IA-64 > and PowerPC). IA64 doesn't run outside the simulator yet, and insofar as I know, PPC only exists as part of the boot code as yet. -amtt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 10:24:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D2C37B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13920; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:24:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit In-Reply-To: <200010251627.e9PGRhX06054@bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > IBM had Solaris available on PowerPC and NT for a real short time > around 94... Guess how many people bet on that combo. Uh, actually it was Sun who had Solaris going on PPC/Prep, and they had it on both AIX and Motorola/MAC h/w. It was never released, but I still have the Beta 2.5.1 CDs and boot floppies for it (from Legato- I even managed to build NetWorker for it at one point). We understood it to be Sun who pulled the plug. NetBSD runs fine on many MACs, including the multiprocessor G4. YellowDog Linux does an excellent job also on the G4s. Apple would love to see FreeBSD run on their new h/w considering their OS10 strategy. > I had a lot of PowerPC boxes here running AIX... (some with MacOS and > AIX on an IBM MicroChannel 7012 box). Right now it's Solaris, WinNT/9x, > Mandrake Linux, and my last FreeBSD box... (running 4.0-Stable and > my home grown backup program migrating to Solaris 8 and Veritas NetBackup). > > > Bill > -- > bpechter@monmouth.com | FreeBSD since 1.0.2, Linux since 0.99.10 > | Unix Sys Admin since Sys V/BSD 4.2 > | Windows System Administration: "Magical Misery Tour > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 10:43: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from sushi.level3.net (machine77.Level3.com [209.244.4.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48D137B4D7 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BUGS ([10.1.73.123]) by sushi.level3.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07456; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:42:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <009601c03eaa$eaa75090$7b49010a@BUGS> From: "Liam Slusser" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:42:16 -0600 Organization: Level3 Communications MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Jacob" Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit > NetBSD runs fine on many MACs, including the multiprocessor G4. YellowDog > Linux does an excellent job also on the G4s. Apple would love to see FreeBSD > run on their new h/w considering their OS10 strategy. Apple more or less does see FreeBSD run on macs. Their Darwin operation system is based on FreeBSD somewhat. liam Liam Slusser Level (3) Communications liam@level3.net (email) dns/in-addr.arpa/IP Engineering 4318299@skytel.com (pager) Slammed Turbo Civic's rock! Level (3) Communications, Inc. http://www.level3.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 11:12:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.ukservers.net (henry.ukservers.net [213.38.87.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C700637B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop (pc-62-31-72-14-tw.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.72.14]) by smtp.ukservers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9F480E8 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:12:05 +0100 (BST) From: "Peter Stubbs" To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:11:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Reply-To: peter@stubbs-family.org Message-ID: <39F73072.5560.490CDE@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (unix or clearcase or NT or MCSE or perl) and scotland and not dba and not oracle and not tester and not developer and not programmer and not "technical writer" and not C++ and not novell and not netware and not "software engineer" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 11:26: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from vega.numbsafari.com (unknown [216.158.25.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E985A37B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 141 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Oct 2000 19:13:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Oct 2000 19:13:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Wilson To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <39F73072.5560.490CDE@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't think I could agree more!!! On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Peter Stubbs wrote: > (unix or clearcase or NT or MCSE or perl) and scotland and not > dba and not oracle and not tester and not developer and not > programmer and not "technical writer" and not C++ and not novell > and not netware and not "software engineer" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 11:27:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7F837B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA62073; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:27:11 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? Message-ID: <20001025112711.A62010@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: sparc@freebsd.org References: <39F68D1C.45F9F336@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 08:53:07AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 08:53:07AM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote: > Of course the biggest problem to me is the cost of Sparc > Architecture... I can get Ultra 5 in the $900-$1000 range. Yet can go down > to my local computer store a buy a decent PC for $400. Yes Sparc Hardware > is good, and if I needed it, might be worth the money. But I've been > building good quality servers for years and find it hard to justify the > extra money for a Sparc machine when PC does just as well. :) You cannot get the 24/7 HW support that Sun gives on most PC's. Nor the "just plug-n-play" of its hardware. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 11:34:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C99937B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (ether.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.196]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9PIY3f07605; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200010251627.e9PGRhX06054@bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25-Oct-00 Bill Pechter wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:40:02AM -0400, Bill Pechter wrote: > >> > FreeBSD is the best Unix for i386... but we've not shown any real moves to >> > the multiplatform area. >> >> Uh... the Alpha? The IA-64? The Mac-PowerPC? >> >> -- >> -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) >> > Not to disagree, but the Alpha is it at this time. Period. > > Anyone have FreeBSD running on an IA-64 at this time in real production? > Does intel use it in production yet? Bet they're not yet. Does a production IA-64 exist yet? No. As far as porting goes, getting a platform to boot into single user mode and do an 'ls' on a memory disk is quite an achievement. Other OS's have ports that don't get that far. > Hell, the chip's not even available to us everyday folks. > > as far as PowerPC -- > Anyone have it running on a PowerPC box at this time in production? Not yet, no. They do have the loader ported and running though on a G3 or G4 (not sure which one Benno is using). -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 11:40:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.ukservers.net (henry.ukservers.net [213.38.87.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF70D37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop (pc-62-31-72-14-tw.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.72.14]) by smtp.ukservers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9EB80D6 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:41:05 +0100 (BST) From: "Peter Stubbs" To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:40:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Woa! Opps! Reply-To: peter@stubbs-family.org Message-ID: <39F7373E.16297.639A63@localhost> References: <39F73072.5560.490CDE@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 Oct 2000, at 15:13, Sam Wilson wrote: > I don't think I could agree more!!! > LOL! > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Peter Stubbs wrote: > > > (unix or clearcase or NT or MCSE or perl) and scotland and not dba > > and not oracle and not tester and not developer and not programmer > > and not "technical writer" and not C++ and not novell and not > > netware and not "software engineer" Opps! Sorry fellow freesdb-sparcers. That email was meant for filter@jobserve.com. (A great free service by the way.) My email client guessed the wrong email address starting with "f" That's what I get for coming out of lurk mode! enable lurk mode Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 11:44:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2CF37B479; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6CAF3294; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D703293; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:08:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: sparc@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? In-Reply-To: <20001025112711.A62010@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Of course the biggest problem to me is the cost of Sparc > > Architecture... I can get Ultra 5 in the $900-$1000 range. Yet can go down > > to my local computer store a buy a decent PC for $400. Yes Sparc Hardware > > is good, and if I needed it, might be worth the money. But I've been > > building good quality servers for years and find it hard to justify the > > extra money for a Sparc machine when PC does just as well. :) > > You cannot get the 24/7 HW support that Sun gives on most PC's. > Nor the "just plug-n-play" of its hardware. On the other hand, I've got enough experience with PC hardware that that is not going to be a problem. :) I can also easliy afford (If I have too,) run down the street to buy a replacement part. Sun dosen't have that. I can get next day shipping direct from Sun. I could even set myself up with one of the Sun parts distributors in my area, but they all tend to be the same way, next day shipping, no will call. As for Plug and Play... Sun's is nice, but again enough PC Experience makes that a moot point. :) Saying all that, I'd still love to get my hand's on more Sparc Hardware... it all comes down to cost. I'm not willing to plunk down the money for even a used Ultra System with my non-needs. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 11:44:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2CF37B479; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6CAF3294; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D703293; Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:08:01 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:08:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: sparc@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? In-Reply-To: <20001025112711.A62010@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Of course the biggest problem to me is the cost of Sparc > > Architecture... I can get Ultra 5 in the $900-$1000 range. Yet can go down > > to my local computer store a buy a decent PC for $400. Yes Sparc Hardware > > is good, and if I needed it, might be worth the money. But I've been > > building good quality servers for years and find it hard to justify the > > extra money for a Sparc machine when PC does just as well. :) > > You cannot get the 24/7 HW support that Sun gives on most PC's. > Nor the "just plug-n-play" of its hardware. On the other hand, I've got enough experience with PC hardware that that is not going to be a problem. :) I can also easliy afford (If I have too,) run down the street to buy a replacement part. Sun dosen't have that. I can get next day shipping direct from Sun. I could even set myself up with one of the Sun parts distributors in my area, but they all tend to be the same way, next day shipping, no will call. As for Plug and Play... Sun's is nice, but again enough PC Experience makes that a moot point. :) Saying all that, I'd still love to get my hand's on more Sparc Hardware... it all comes down to cost. I'm not willing to plunk down the money for even a used Ultra System with my non-needs. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 12:47:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.netaccess.on.ca (alpha.netaccess.on.ca [199.243.225.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBAF37B479; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.controlq.com (dial085.nas.net [207.176.144.85]) by alpha.netaccess.on.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA19113; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:57:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > Of course the biggest problem to me is the cost of Sparc > > > Architecture... I can get Ultra 5 in the $900-$1000 range. Yet can go down > > > to my local computer store a buy a decent PC for $400. Yes Sparc Hardware > > > is good, and if I needed it, might be worth the money. But I've been > > > building good quality servers for years and find it hard to justify the > > > extra money for a Sparc machine when PC does just as well. :) > > > > You cannot get the 24/7 HW support that Sun gives on most PC's. > > Nor the "just plug-n-play" of its hardware. > > On the other hand, I've got enough experience with PC hardware > that that is not going to be a problem. :) I can also easliy afford (If I > have too,) run down the street to buy a replacement part. Sun dosen't have > that. I can get next day shipping direct from Sun. I could even set myself > up with one of the Sun parts distributors in my area, but they all tend to > be the same way, next day shipping, no will call. > As for Plug and Play... Sun's is nice, but again enough PC > Experience makes that a moot point. :) > Saying all that, I'd still love to get my hand's on more Sparc > Hardware... it all comes down to cost. I'm not willing to plunk down the > money for even a used Ultra System with my non-needs. :) > I think we forget our roots. Older 32 Bit workstations are being given away, and this is where BSD grew up and belongs. My IPX is just begging for FreeBSD, but I can use Net or OpenBSD as well. I'm not likely to buy an ultrasparc either, given the recent intel improvements in performance and i/o bandwidth (well, over the old ISA machines anyways). Porting to ultrasparc makes less sense than legacy SPARC and HPPA for that matter, since we can get our hands on those boxes for 0$ frequently. just a thought. Cheers, R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 12:47:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.netaccess.on.ca (alpha.netaccess.on.ca [199.243.225.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBAF37B479; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schizo.controlq.com (dial085.nas.net [207.176.144.85]) by alpha.netaccess.on.ca (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA19113; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:57:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > > Of course the biggest problem to me is the cost of Sparc > > > Architecture... I can get Ultra 5 in the $900-$1000 range. Yet can go down > > > to my local computer store a buy a decent PC for $400. Yes Sparc Hardware > > > is good, and if I needed it, might be worth the money. But I've been > > > building good quality servers for years and find it hard to justify the > > > extra money for a Sparc machine when PC does just as well. :) > > > > You cannot get the 24/7 HW support that Sun gives on most PC's. > > Nor the "just plug-n-play" of its hardware. > > On the other hand, I've got enough experience with PC hardware > that that is not going to be a problem. :) I can also easliy afford (If I > have too,) run down the street to buy a replacement part. Sun dosen't have > that. I can get next day shipping direct from Sun. I could even set myself > up with one of the Sun parts distributors in my area, but they all tend to > be the same way, next day shipping, no will call. > As for Plug and Play... Sun's is nice, but again enough PC > Experience makes that a moot point. :) > Saying all that, I'd still love to get my hand's on more Sparc > Hardware... it all comes down to cost. I'm not willing to plunk down the > money for even a used Ultra System with my non-needs. :) > I think we forget our roots. Older 32 Bit workstations are being given away, and this is where BSD grew up and belongs. My IPX is just begging for FreeBSD, but I can use Net or OpenBSD as well. I'm not likely to buy an ultrasparc either, given the recent intel improvements in performance and i/o bandwidth (well, over the old ISA machines anyways). Porting to ultrasparc makes less sense than legacy SPARC and HPPA for that matter, since we can get our hands on those boxes for 0$ frequently. just a thought. Cheers, R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 13:11: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1E137B4C5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA64448; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:10:52 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Robert S. Sciuk" Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? Message-ID: <20001025131052.G62010@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rob@ControlQ.com on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 03:57:01PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 03:57:01PM -0400, Robert S. Sciuk wrote: > I think we forget our roots. Older 32 Bit workstations are being given > away, and this is where BSD grew up and belongs. BSD belongs on old crappy 32-bit hardware?? Personally my BSD roots were on DEC machines. > Porting to ultrasparc makes less sense than legacy SPARC and HPPA for that > matter, since we can get our hands on those boxes for 0$ frequently. FreeBSD specializes in the server market. I really don't think one is going to run a high-thruput server on an IPX. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) T.B. PLEASE PEOPLE learn to use your mail client and NOT CC: this list _twice_ in your replies. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 16:48:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from hiro.netizen.com.au (hiro.netizen.com.au [203.30.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6094237B479; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hiro.netizen.com.au (Postfix, from userid 516) id 9B093215EF; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:48:09 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:48:09 +1100 From: Benno Rice To: John Baldwin Cc: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com, sparc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit Message-ID: <20001026104809.A12318@hiro.netizen.com.au> References: <200010251627.e9PGRhX06054@bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:34:44AM -0700 X-Message-Flag: Fish. Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:34:44AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 25-Oct-00 Bill Pechter wrote: [snip] > > Not to disagree, but the Alpha is it at this time. Period. > > > > Anyone have FreeBSD running on an IA-64 at this time in real production? > > Does intel use it in production yet? Bet they're not yet. > > Does a production IA-64 exist yet? No. As far as porting goes, > getting a platform to boot into single user mode and do an 'ls' > on a memory disk is quite an achievement. Other OS's have > ports that don't get that far. > > > Hell, the chip's not even available to us everyday folks. > > > > as far as PowerPC -- > > Anyone have it running on a PowerPC box at this time in production? > > Not yet, no. They do have the loader ported and running though on > a G3 or G4 (not sure which one Benno is using). G3. One of the latest batch of iMacs. The loader boots, and hopefully by tonight will be able to do something close to network loads. Then I start on the kernel, or add disk support. Not sure which yet. =) -- Benno Rice "No, no. We're *sweet* and XNFP Aries Dark Subculture- *innocent* evil bastards." friendly Internet Geek benno@jeamland.net "Defend your joy" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 16:54:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (mail.dobox.com [208.187.122.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C747937B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13oaYn-0001PA-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:06:21 -0600 Message-ID: <39F7757D.9B13EDD4@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:06:21 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Minkus , Gerald Heinig , freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone out there ? References: <054F7DAA9E54D311AD090008C74CE9BD01766CC4@exchange.panasonicfa.com> <029901c03e0d$6bb058b0$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> <39F68D1C.45F9F336@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters wrote: > > Martin Minkus wrote: > > > > I subscribed to this list a few days ago, and after hearing nothing but > > crickets (and the occasional NT server reboot far off in the distance) i > > thought it was time to shake the stick, and see what response i can get ;) > > Seems good so far :-) > > > > I have a Sun IPX, and Sun SparcServer 10 (both of which i picked up for free > > recently). > > > > Okay. > > > > I believe the website (http://people.freebsd.org/~obrien/freebsd-sparc/) > > shows there was a bias to simply develop for PCI based Ultra's (Sparc64 > > port?), which i definately have no access to. (Unless i can steal one from > > my university ;-) > > > > It appears there are several people with the older 32bit Sparcs on this > > list, but they don't have any coding experience. I do, but only in > > userspace, though i've been slowly trying to make my move up into the kernel > > :) > > > > It appears there would have to be two seperate ports, FreeBSD/sparc, and > > FreeBSD/sparc64, but only differing in the kernel, the userspace would be > > the same? This appears to be what Linux (I just read the UltraLinux website) > > have done, and so has Net and OpenBSD. > > > > I have little experience with the sparc architecture, so i'm unaware of the > > differences (between Sparc and Sparc64), but if the two are vastly > > different, we'll have two maintain two seperate porting efforts... (OpenBSD > > has done this, but the Sparc64 port has lagged and/or is dead) > > > > The linux kernel also seems to do some funky shit like binary patch itself > > on boot ... :/ > > Shit is right. Trust me, you can "binary patch" 32-bit SPARC instructions > into 64-bit SPARC instructions. Oh, great. That ^^^ was SUPPOSED to say "can't". -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Oct 25 17: 7:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (mail.dobox.com [208.187.122.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDCD37B479 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13oalq-0001PJ-00; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:19:50 -0600 Message-ID: <39F778A6.EC9FDE92@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:19:50 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit References: <200010251240.e9PCe3k05581@bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Pechter wrote: > > Wes Peters (wes@softweyr.com) wrote: > > You're free to work on whatever you want, but the general consensus for all > > of us keepers of SPARC 1s, 2s, 5s, 10s, 20s, IPCs, and IPXs, was that it > > would be hard enough to get a port going for modern 64-bit machines, let > > alone doing it for ancient hardware, and NetBSD and OpenBSD support them > > quite adequately already. FWIW, FreeBSD isn't really interested in "hobby" > > ports anymore. > > This is why there ain't gonna be an Ultra Port for a while. > Most of the folks who will volunteer to work on the stuff don't have or > want to purchase Ultras... > > FWIW -- this is why Linux is getting all the different platform support > and we're not. If it ran better under full load and ran with a more > reliable file system I'd be worried about FreeBSD's survival. 8-) > FreeBSD is the best Unix for i386... but we've not shown any real moves to > the multiplatform area. Because NetBSD already fills the portability bit. It is quite good, too. The FreeBSD team decided early on to push for the extremes of performance and (hopefully) reliability on the i386 architecture without pausing to consider portability concerns, where the NetBSD team always considers portability. > A lot of us have scrounged Sparc2's (if I could scrounge a 10 or 20 it'd > be running Solaris 8 to be compatible with the office for work at home). Ugh. Slowlaris. > My two Sparc's (Sparc2 class machines) are in the garage with Solaris > Linux, OpenBSD and NetBSD. Drag 'em out and do something with them. If you don't want them, I bet we could find a few people here who do. ;^) > I've pretty much given up the idea of FreeBSD on the Sparc 10's > and stuff at work so I've gone back to Solaris on them. NetBSD > and OpenBSD were ok -- but they didn't have the ports depth of FreeBSD > and they were a bit harder to work with and support. Yeah, a little. Many of the ports are fairly trivial to move to Net or Open, and they could use the help if you've got a few spare moments. > It's just the way it seems to be. I'm sure core would love to see the > port happen -- just there's no real strong leader on the Sparc side > doing the coordination and push. I think that's the #1 problem. If I had the time, I'd go snare a refurb Ultra5 -- I hear they're going for about $900 these days -- and get on with it. But I don't. Sigh. > Unfortunately, (or fortunately for me -- since I wanted the job change > after 14 years of Sysadmin work) -- I'm moving out of Sysadmin and am > decommissioning the FreeBSD boxes at my office and moving all to Solaris to > make it easier for them to find a qualified person to admin there. > (Linux, Solaris, WinNT, Win95/98). That's sad. You might want to see if the incoming admin would rather have the FreeBSD box. They'll probably hire some linux kiddie who'll replace them all with Red Slime or some other disease. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 26 20:29:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from enzo.vangyzen.net (GRN-TNT1-pool1-44.coastalnet.com [216.10.166.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C61837B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hiro.vangyzen.net (hiro.vangyzen.net [192.168.1.3]) by enzo.vangyzen.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9R3TuY08379 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:29:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from vangyzen@hiro.vangyzen.net) Received: (from vangyzen@localhost) by hiro.vangyzen.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e9R3Twm38169 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:29:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from vangyzen) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:29:58 -0400 From: "Eric S. Van Gyzen" To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Hardware question Message-ID: <20001026232958.A38152@hiro.vangyzen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a question about Sun SPARC hardware, but it does not involve FreeBSD (or any OS, for that matter). Do any of you know where I could pose such a question, or perhaps a website with such information? Thank you. I apologize for the irrelevant post, but I figured some FreeBSD users wouldn't mind helping out another one. :] -- Eric S. Van Gyzen eric@vangyzen.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 26 20:46:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9952B37B479 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D76A45730B; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:47:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:47:36 -0500 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: bpechter@shell.monmouth.com Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit Message-ID: <20001026224736.A74924@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <20001025083416.I21047@dragon.nuxi.com> <200010251627.e9PGRhX06054@bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010251627.e9PGRhX06054@bg-tc-ppp808.monmouth.com>; from pechter@pechter.dyndns.org on Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 12:27:43PM -0400 X-FreeBSD-Header: This is a subliminal message from the vast FreeBSD conspiracy project. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD peorth.iteration.net 4.1.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 12:27:43PM -0400, Bill Pechter scribbled: | > On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:40:02AM -0400, Bill Pechter wrote: | | > > FreeBSD is the best Unix for i386... but we've not shown any real moves to | > > the multiplatform area. | > | > Uh... the Alpha? The IA-64? The Mac-PowerPC? | Not to disagree, but the Alpha is it at this time. Period. Please try contributing to our different architecture ports. :) | Anyone have FreeBSD running on an IA-64 at this time in real production? | Does intel use it in production yet? Bet they're not yet. You are asking a lot from an architecture that really just came out this year. | as far as PowerPC -- | Anyone have it running on a PowerPC box at this time in production? Please read previous emails in the thread. The PPC port is under its way. We are hoping for some help. | IBM had Solaris available on PowerPC and NT for a real short time | around 94... Guess how many people bet on that combo. AIX is better for that. | I had a lot of PowerPC boxes here running AIX... (some with MacOS and | AIX on an IBM MicroChannel 7012 box). Right now it's Solaris, WinNT/9x, | Mandrake Linux, and my last FreeBSD box... (running 4.0-Stable and | my home grown backup program migrating to Solaris 8 and Veritas NetBackup). And? David O'Brien has repeatedly offered Sparc hardware for people willing to work on the Sparc port. People have been offered PPC hardware too. I personally just bought an Ultra5 to attempt to help. It cost me $500 on EBay. It is not too expensive for a hobby. ;) -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Oct 26 22:40:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A76937B4C5 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13osa2-0000NP-00; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:20:50 -0600 Message-ID: <39F88412.D6D9F8FA@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:20:50 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Minkus Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc port going 64 bit References: <200010251240.e9PCe3k05581@bg-tc-ppp1176.monmouth.com> <20001025083416.I21047@dragon.nuxi.com> <00c901c03e99$eed99850$0200000a@lan.diskiller.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin Minkus wrote: > > > > This is why there ain't gonna be an Ultra Port for a while. > > > Most of the folks who will volunteer to work on the stuff don't have or > > > want to purchase Ultras... > > > > I've already offered twice U1's to those that will do some real work > > towards the FreeBSD/sparc64 effort. > > I don't know how seriously involved I will get at this stage, but if in the > coming months i am, you can always send me a U1 :) I'm in australia, > however. That's not as expensive as you think. I sent Greg a SPARCstation last year, it cost about $55 to ship from Utah to South Australia. > > > FreeBSD is the best Unix for i386... but we've not shown any real moves to > > > the multiplatform area. > > > > Uh... the Alpha? The IA-64? The Mac-PowerPC? > > Most people are unaware of the existance of these ports. (specifically IA-64 > and PowerPC). Most people are unaware of the /usr/src tree? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message