From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 1:14:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729DA37B4EC for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id KAA24269; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:14:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14RsaB-0005XO-00; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:14:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:14:11 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: sesshin Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cpu compatability Message-ID: <20010211101411.B20197@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , sesshin , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <000901c09400$0df2ca20$8fbefea9@kensho> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000901c09400$0df2ca20$8fbefea9@kensho>; from sesshin@swbell.net on Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 01:55:51AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 01:55:51AM -0600, sesshin wrote: > Greets- I stared at a number of pages looking for some ref to cpu > compatability for FreeBSD. I assume that it will work on all variants of > the x86 flavor cpu chip. If there are compatability issues w/some of those > currently avail (such as Intel Celeron, AMD Duron, Cyrix, etc.) it would be > nice to have in the FAQ. If nothing else some mention that "there are > currently as of such-&-such date no such issues" would provide psychological > re-assurance for the paranoid newby (holds up hand - "Yo!"). Well, I am not aware of any issues on the x86 at present, esp not with "currently available" models. It should run without a hitch. That's why it is not mentioned:-) (There are hacks for some old Cyrix CPUs, but those are really anything but "current":-) > Some brief > mention of other cpu supportage such as Motorola 68K found in Amiga & other > older boxes like Sun, Oleveti, ATT B2, etc.; or DEC Alpha based boxes; or > Motorola PPC based boxes would possibly also be helpful. To be honest, the FAQ is not the best place to find all the hardware details at present, it is more of a listing of "frequently asked for" devices, or those that have known quirks and require some whacking to start working. For a more complete listing, please see: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases///HARDWARE.TXT Where can be either i386 or alpha, and latest release is 4.2. and some of the other *.TXT files in the same directory. But be aware that FreeBSD at present only runs on the i386 and on the Alpha architectures. The other CPU types you mention are not supported at this time. -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 2: 0:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B2D37B4EC for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 02:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BA03I65863; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 02:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B462E37B401 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:50:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA76900; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:52:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200102110952.BAA76900@cfcl.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:52:51 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25000: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25000 >Category: docs >Synopsis: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Feb 11 02:00:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD cfcl.com 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: /dev/[r]matcdl[0-15][a|c] --- /dev/[r]matcd[0-15]l[a|c] >How-To-Repeat: ls /dev/matcd* man 4 matcd >Fix: Modify the man page, as noted above. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 4:32:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imperial.sout.netline.net.uk (imperial.sout.netline.net.uk [213.40.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4697A37B401 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 04:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.111.184.15] (helo=default) by imperial.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 14RvgG-0006m9-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:32:40 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c09427$0774bba0$0fb86fd4@default> From: "wsweeney" To: Subject: JDK Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:34:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C09427.0678F680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C09427.0678F680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have just purchased on of your books on'beginning Java 2' You suggest = JDK's. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0946C.E8C24B00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 9:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DBA37B401 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BHA4s16960; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:10:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102111710.f1BHA4s16960@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/23910: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/23910; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: Gerald Pfeifer , cg@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, Moses Moore , admin@dbai.tuwien.ac.at Subject: Re: docs/23910: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:10:18 +0000 Cameron, I'm bringing you in on this, as FreeBSD's "Mr Audio". On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 08:44:25PM +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > >Number: 23910 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/sound.html really proved useful > when I, today, for the first time I configured a soundcard with > FreeBSD. However, I stumbled over two (minor) issues: > > 1. For on-board sound "cards", one also wants to add > options PNPBIOS > to the kernel config. Is that right? If so, on which versions of FreeBSD? My -current laptop doesn't need it, and the built in audio on there works OK. > 2. `cat /dev/sndstat` did not work until I executed > cd /dev ; sh MAKEDEV snd0 > > Before MAKEDEV I got "No such file or directory"; afterwards > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Dec 28 2000 19:02:45 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xc400 irq 11 (1p/1r channels duplex) > That is, it was exactly the other around than stated in section > 14.4 of the manual. This does seem to be a problem. Perhaps we could pull out sndstat from all the other snd* devices in MAKEDEV, and then say something like You must determine which set of sound devices to make, depending on your audio hardware. Fortunately, the audio driver can tell you what is required. Run the following, to create a /dev/sndstat device, and query it. # cd /dev # sh MAKEDEV sndstat # cat sndstat [...] and then continue with the rest of the text as normal? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 9:28:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7510737B401; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BHSbu18962; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:28:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200102111728.f1BHSbu18962@freefall.freebsd.org> To: xaa@dohd.org, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20117: *printf manpage doesn't document %n Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: *printf manpage doesn't document %n State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Feb 11 09:27:26 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: iMy -current system has this in printf(3) n The number of characters written so far is stored into the inte- ger indicated by the ``int *'' (or variant) pointer argument. No argument is converted. As far as I can see, it's been there forever. The text is not quite as verbose as some of the suggested replacements, but I'm wary of lifting text directly from GPLd man pages and putting it in our base system. If you think the text isn't clear enough, please suggest a replacement (ideally, as a patch :-) ), and PR it. Thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20117 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 9:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991DC37B401; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BHUAT19135; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200102111730.f1BHUAT19135@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mb@imp.ch, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23834: Wrong documentation pthread_getspecific() ? Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Wrong documentation pthread_getspecific() ? State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Feb 11 09:29:07 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed by Ruslan in pthread.3:1.14. Thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23834 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 9:32:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE6E37B401; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BHWHp19469; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:32:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:32:17 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200102111732.f1BHWHp19469@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/16843: Knob for release/Makefile to prevent deleting docproj distfiles Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Knob for release/Makefile to prevent deleting docproj distfiles Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jkh Responsible-Changed-By: nik Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Feb 11 09:30:33 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: This affects release/Makefile, and adds a convenience knob. I've got no objection to it going in, but the release process is your baby. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=16843 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 9:43:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F335437B401; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BHhO120221; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:43:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200102111743.f1BHhO120221@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jjreynold@home.com, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24826: "LAN Media Corporation" needs to be removed from commercial hardware list Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: "LAN Media Corporation" needs to be removed from commercial hardware list State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun Feb 11 09:43:09 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24826 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 10:23:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hutchtel.net (ns1.hutchtel.net [206.9.112.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B79437B401; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mark9 (hutch-759.hutchtel.net [206.10.71.59]) by ns1.hutchtel.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA05209; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:23:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003c01c09457$baee0300$6100000a@vladsempire.net> From: "Josh Paetzel" To: "Nik Clayton" , References: <200102111710.f1BHA4s16960@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: docs/23910: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:22:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nik Clayton" To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: Re: docs/23910: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes > The following reply was made to PR docs/23910; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Nik Clayton > To: Gerald Pfeifer , cg@freebsd.org > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, > Moses Moore , admin@dbai.tuwien.ac.at > Subject: Re: docs/23910: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:10:18 +0000 > > Cameron, > > I'm bringing you in on this, as FreeBSD's "Mr Audio". > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 08:44:25PM +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > > >Number: 23910 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/sound.html really proved useful > > when I, today, for the first time I configured a soundcard with > > FreeBSD. However, I stumbled over two (minor) issues: > > > > 1. For on-board sound "cards", one also wants to add > > options PNPBIOS > > to the kernel config. > > Is that right? If so, on which versions of FreeBSD? My -current laptop > doesn't need it, and the built in audio on there works OK. > > > 2. `cat /dev/sndstat` did not work until I executed > > cd /dev ; sh MAKEDEV snd0 > > > > Before MAKEDEV I got "No such file or directory"; afterwards > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Dec 28 2000 19:02:45 > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: at io 0xc400 irq 11 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > That is, it was exactly the other around than stated in section > > 14.4 of the manual. > > This does seem to be a problem. Perhaps we could pull out sndstat from > all the other snd* devices in MAKEDEV, and then say something like > > You must determine which set of sound devices to make, depending on > your audio hardware. Fortunately, the audio driver can tell you > what is required. > > Run the following, to create a /dev/sndstat device, and query it. > > # cd /dev > # sh MAKEDEV sndstat > # cat sndstat > > [...] > > and then continue with the rest of the text as normal? > > N That seems like it would be fairly clear. I just stumbled over the same issue in the handbook a week ago. When I went through the procedure the second time everything worked of course, so I just figured that I had made an error the first time through. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 10:40: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC3637B401 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BIe4D26266; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:40:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:40:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102111840.f1BIe4D26266@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/25000: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25000; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: Rich Morin Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25000: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:29:16 +0000 Rich, I'm afraid you'll need to be a bit less cryptic. On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 01:52:51AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > >Number: 25000 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong > >Description: > > /dev/[r]matcdl[0-15][a|c] > --- > /dev/[r]matcd[0-15]l[a|c] > > >How-To-Repeat: > > ls /dev/matcd* > man 4 matcd > > >Fix: > > Modify the man page, as noted above. What's wrong with the man page? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 11: 5:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hutchtel.net (ns1.hutchtel.net [206.9.112.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD7437B491; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mark9 (hutch-759.hutchtel.net [206.10.71.59]) by ns1.hutchtel.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA25776; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:05:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006001c0945d$90cd0ac0$6100000a@vladsempire.net> From: "Josh Paetzel" To: "Nik Clayton" , References: <200102111840.f1BIe4D26266@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: docs/25000: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:04:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nik Clayton" To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: docs/25000: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong > The following reply was made to PR docs/25000; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Nik Clayton > To: Rich Morin > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: docs/25000: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:29:16 +0000 > > Rich, > > I'm afraid you'll need to be a bit less cryptic. > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 01:52:51AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > > >Number: 25000 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong > > > >Description: > > > > /dev/[r]matcdl[0-15][a|c] > > --- > > /dev/[r]matcd[0-15]l[a|c] > > > > >How-To-Repeat: > > > > ls /dev/matcd* > > man 4 matcd > > > > >Fix: > > > > Modify the man page, as noted above. > > What's wrong with the man page? > > N > Look closely at the two lines he put up. The first one is from the man page, and it doesn't match the /dev entries. The position of the l is wrong. The second line he put up is correct. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 12: 0:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F3837B491 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BK04135394; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:00:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102112000.f1BK04135394@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: docs/25000: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong Reply-To: Rich Morin Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25000; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Rich Morin To: Nik Clayton Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25000: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:57:38 -0800 At 6:29 PM +0000 2/11/01, Nik Clayton wrote: >Rich, > >I'm afraid you'll need to be a bit less cryptic. > >On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 01:52:51AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: >> >Number: 25000 >> >Category: docs >> >Synopsis: matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong > >> >Description: >> >> /dev/[r]matcdl[0-15][a|c] >> --- >> /dev/[r]matcd[0-15]l[a|c] >> >> >How-To-Repeat: >> >> ls /dev/matcd* >> man 4 matcd >> >> >Fix: >> >> Modify the man page, as noted above. > >What's wrong with the man page? What's wrong is that (in contradiction to the SYNOPSIS), there are no devices named /dev/[r]matcdl[0-15][a|c], but there are devices named /dev/[r]matcd[0-15]l[a|c]: %ls /dev/matcd* /dev/matcd0a /dev/matcd0c /dev/matcd0la /dev/matcd0lc Also, other text in the man page agrees with ls. So, the SYNOPSIS appears to be wrong. Sorry if the initial PR was too cryptic; I may have gotten infected by the style of the material I'm reading. -r -- -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm email: rdm@cfcl.com phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 14:50:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9FF37B684 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1BMo2J56759; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from ns1.tu-graz.ac.at (ns1.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D2537B491 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from homebox.kammerhofer.org (isdn091.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.240.91]) by ns1.tu-graz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07814 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:43:41 +0100 (MET) Received: (from mkamm@localhost) by homebox.kammerhofer.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f1AIrHF12064; Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:53:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mkamm) Message-Id: <200102101853.f1AIrHF12064@homebox.kammerhofer.org> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:53:17 +0100 (CET) From: mkamm@gmx.net Reply-To: mkamm@gmx.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25016: symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no owners Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25016 >Category: docs >Synopsis: symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no owners >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Feb 11 14:50:02 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Martin Kammerhofer >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Universität Graz >Environment: >Description: I quote output from "man 7 symlink": ### For example, the command ``chown -R user slink directory'' will ignore ### ``slink'', because symbolic links in this system do not have owners. This is obsolete. Symlinks do have owners nowadays. >How-To-Repeat: man 7 symlink >Fix: Index: symlink.7 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/bin/ln/symlink.7,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -r1.17 symlink.7 --- symlink.7 2001/01/24 23:49:59 1.17 +++ symlink.7 2001/02/10 14:48:41 @@ -268,10 +268,10 @@ themselves, but otherwise the links are ignored. .Pp For example, the command -.Dq Li "chown -R user slink directory" +.Dq Li "chmod -R 0123 slink directory" will ignore .Dq Li slink , -because symbolic links in this system do not have owners. +because symbolic links in this system do not have permissions. Any symbolic links encountered during the tree traversal will also be ignored. The command >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Feb 11 17:30: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A29A37B401 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1C1U2779856; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:30:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102120130.f1C1U2779856@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Gerald Pfeifer Subject: Re: docs/23910: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes Reply-To: Gerald Pfeifer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/23910; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Gerald Pfeifer To: Nik Clayton Cc: , , Moses Moore , Subject: Re: docs/23910: Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:22:11 +0100 (CET) On Sun, 11 Feb 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: >> 1. For on-board sound "cards", one also wants to add >> options PNPBIOS >> to the kernel config. > Is that right? If so, on which versions of FreeBSD? Well, it's right in the sense that without that option ``it just didn't work'', while with this change it worked fine. This was on a 4.2-RELEASE box with some Athlon-board; if you're interested in the exact product name and manufacturer, I can obtain these. Gerald To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Feb 12 0:55:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from www.ada.kz (unknown [212.154.195.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600CC37B401 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 00:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from adag5w6nnnpnzu (cem.ada.kz [212.154.195.135]) by www.ada.kz (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f1CA8dJ03733 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:08:39 +0500 (AQTT) Message-ID: <002501bf5c11$a163e0a0$87c39ad4@adag5w6nnnpnzu> From: =?koi8-r?B?88XSx8XKIOnXwc7P18ne?= To: Subject: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:55:38 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01BF5C43.EBEA7A80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BF5C43.EBEA7A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BF5C43.EBEA7A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01BF5C43.EBEA7A80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Feb 12 1:27:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rex.liis.lv (rex.liis.lv [195.13.132.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D188837B491 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from di.lv ([195.13.132.12]) by rex.liis.lv (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.5) with ESMTP id 2001021211251541:2 ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:25:15 +0200 Message-ID: <3A87AC69.17D6D0E4@di.lv> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:27:05 +0200 From: Leo Truksans X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: www.lv.freebsd.org X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on rex/LIIS/LV(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/12/2001 11:25:15 AM, Serialize by Router on rex/LIIS/LV(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/12/2001 11:25:30 AM, Serialize complete at 02/12/2001 11:25:30 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. I have been asking about the existance of subj. domain in the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. I also contacted one of Latvia's largest ISPs about this. Looks like: 1) The lv.freebsd.org domain was dedicated to one Latvian networking company "Fasts" two or three years ago. The company does not exist any more and there is no one to care about the domain. 2) The IP block administrators from the Latvian ISP confirm that the domain is not in use any more. I have a FreeBSD www/cvs mirror here in Latvia (freebsd.liis.lv). If it helps, the host name could be registered for this real mirror. -- Leo Truksans (leo@di.lv) P.S. My name is Leo Truksans. I am a leading netadmin for the Latvian Ministry of Education and Science and Latvian Education Informatisation System. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Feb 12 6:32:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.itworks.com.au (unknown [203.32.61.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 29C3837B401 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 43258 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2001 14:27:48 -0000 Received: from cpe-61-9-166-15.vic.bigpond.net.au (HELO gavin) (61.9.166.15) by 203.32.61.7 with SMTP; 12 Feb 2001 14:27:48 -0000 Message-ID: <030a01c09500$c5a9c4b0$6401a8c0@itworks.com.au> From: "Gavin Cameron" To: Subject: Change needed on page http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:33:31 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, The URL for the FreeBSD mirror sites database needs to be changed to http://www.freebsdmirrors.org/ Cheers Gavin Cameron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Feb 12 15: 0: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1DF37B503 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1CN05F64004; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:00:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from electron.databits.net (electron.databits.net [207.29.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5C237B491 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:54:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from petef@localhost) by electron.databits.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f1CMr9O30982; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:53:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from petef) Message-Id: <200102122253.f1CMr9O30982@electron.databits.net> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:53:09 -0500 (EST) From: petef@databits.net Reply-To: petef@databits.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25047: update link for mirror sites database in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25047 >Category: docs >Synopsis: update link for mirror sites database in handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Feb 12 15:00:05 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Pete Fritchman >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Databits Network Services, Inc. >Environment: N/A >Description: ++ 13/02/01 01:33 +1100 - Gavin Cameron : >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: http://hex.databits.net/~petef/diffs/doc.mirrors.diff Index: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.106 diff -u -r1.106 chapter.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml 2001/01/04 04:51:18 1.106 +++ doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml 2001/02/12 22:49:25 @@ -36,9 +36,9 @@ The FreeBSD mirror + url="http://www.freebsdmirrors.org/">FreeBSD mirror sites database is more accurate than the mirror listing in the - handbook, as it gets its information form the DNS rather than relying on + handbook, as it gets its information from the DNS rather than relying on static lists of hosts. Additionally, FreeBSD is available via anonymous FTP from the >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: >Hi, > >The URL for the FreeBSD mirror sites database needs to be changed to >http://www.freebsdmirrors.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Feb 12 22:30: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5B237B4EC for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1D6U2A30848; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341E637B491 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB112CE74 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:25:06 +0200 (EET) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.matti.ee (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f1D6Owv11753; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:24:58 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from vallo) Message-Id: <200102130624.f1D6Owv11753@myhakas.matti.ee> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:24:58 +0200 (EET) From: Vallo Kallaste Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25053: kld(4) manpage is obsolete for -current Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25053 >Category: docs >Synopsis: kld(4) manpage is obsolete for -current >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Feb 12 22:30:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Vallo Kallaste >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Matti Bürootehnika AS >Environment: System: FreeBSD myhakas.matti.ee 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Feb 12 16:09:09 EET 2001 vallo@myhakas.matti.ee:/usr/src/sys/compile/Myhakas.SMP i386 >Description: kld(4) and hier(7) manpage does not agree in kernel module placement policy. It seems that kld(4) manpage is wrong, as BSD.root.dist mtree layout does not include /modules directory. >How-To-Repeat: Try to install smbfs-1.3.5 port and wonder why the smbfs.ko module doesn't load. Look at / directory, then read supplied documentation about kernel modules. >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 7:49:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from psychotic.aberrant.org (psychotic.aberrant.org [64.81.134.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D6A37B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from seth@localhost) by psychotic.aberrant.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA70203 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:49:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from seth) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:49:22 -0500 From: Seth To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This suggestion has probably been debated ad nauseum already, but I'd like to make it anyway on the off chance that nobody's ever heard it before :) One of the hardest things for people new to FreeBSD to do is locate the installation disks & instructions. This sounds strange to those of us who are familiar with the web site, but the images are three clicks away from the main page, and the links are embedded in stuff that the impatient would-be user won't want to read. I can't tell you the number of times I've pointed people to the freebsd.org web site and then had to hand-hold them through locating the floppies and imaging instructions. More than once, I've heard "if it's this much trouble to install, how hard is it going to be to USE?" The argument can certainly be made that FreeBSD should discourage those people who are too impatient to read the documentation, and I might agree with this. However, is there any reason NOT to have an easy bulleted list, with the appropriate links, highlighted on the main page, along with an indication of the curent release status and the projected future release date(s)? I'm not suggesting that the information isn't there already -- it is. But the release information is completely separate from the downloads, and it makes sense to me to have all that relevant information in one place, highlighted for quick navigation. Before I get flamed for speaking about something I've had little involvement in to date, please know that I have been using (and advocating) FreeBSD since 1995, and that I'm more than willing to do a site mockup (thereby investing my own time in this suggestion) if people are interested. If it's not something that should go on the main site, I can create my own & point newbies to it. Comments appreciated (but please, no flames... just tell me to go away if nobody's interested). Seth. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 8:30:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.raditex.se (mail.raditex.se [192.5.36.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D2037B491; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.Raditex.se (gandalf.raditex.se [192.5.36.18]) by ns.raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA65423; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:30:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) Received: from frodo.sickla.raditex.se (frodo.sickla.raditex.se [192.168.37.9]) by gandalf.Raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA69359; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:30:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) Received: (from kaj@localhost) by frodo.sickla.raditex.se (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1DGUlZ67216; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:30:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) X-Authentication-Warning: frodo.sickla.raditex.se: kaj set sender to kaj@raditex.se using -f To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Reynolds~ , Beau , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Documentation References: <14966.58186.247528.426703@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010131013258.A12527@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> From: Rasmus Kaj Cc: Rasmus Kaj Organization: Raditex AB - http://Raditex.se/ X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Date: 13 Feb 2001 17:30:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: Nik Clayton's message of "Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:32:59 +0000" Message-ID: <84elx2o894.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Capitol Reef) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "NC" == Nik Clayton writes: >> The FAQ is also in the same relative path. We should put this into >> the FAQ as it's becoming a FAQ :) NC> It's in the FAQ. Question 17 in the preface. NC> However, people don't seem to be noticing this, nor do they notice the NC> text at the front of the Handbook, and other docs, which explains this NC> as well. At this point, I'd welcome suggestions for ways to make this NC> information more obvious. (Sorry for replying to such old mail, I'm lagging a bit here.) As Tim McMillen suggested, a split of the rather long paragrap into two would be nice. Also, all the books contain a rather long block of legal text. I for one are fed up with such texts, and thinks that if anyone put something on the web, that gives me the right to read it, and as long as I just want to read the page i ignore the legal stuff. In this case, unfortunatley, this leads to ignoring the "welcome" paragraph as well. The legal stuff should only matter in specific cases, as if I want to redistribute a book, so why bang innocent readers who are just reading the web pages on the head with a lot of lawyer-speak? So I think the word "Copyright" could be a link to the rest of the legal stuff, which could reside either at the bottom of the frontpage or on its own page. -- Rasmus Kaj ------------------------ rasmus@kaj.se - http://Raditex.se/~kaj/ \ We don't care. We don't have to. We're the Phone Company \----------------------------------------------------- http://Raditex.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 9:50:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pop.andover.net (mail.andover.net [209.192.217.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E38837B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from guinness.osdn.com (root@guinness.osdn.com [209.192.217.152]) by pop.andover.net (8.11.0/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f1DHo9K26563; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:50:09 -0500 Received: (from jim@localhost) by guinness.osdn.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f1DHo8q00569; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:50:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:50:08 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Seth Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> Reply-To: mij@osdn.com References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org>; from seth@psychotic.aberrant.org on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:22AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 10:49:22 -0500, Seth wrote: > This suggestion has probably been debated ad nauseum already, but I'd > like to make it anyway on the off chance that nobody's ever heard it > before :) > > One of the hardest things for people new to FreeBSD to do is locate > the installation disks & instructions. This sounds strange to those > of us who are familiar with the web site, but the images are three > clicks away from the main page, and the links are embedded in stuff > that the impatient would-be user won't want to read. I can't tell > you the number of times I've pointed people to the freebsd.org web > site and then had to hand-hold them through locating the floppies and > imaging instructions. More than once, I've heard "if it's this much > trouble to install, how hard is it going to be to USE?" If they think clicking through 3 links to get to is "too much trouble" they shouldn't be using FreeBSD. If they can't be bothered to click the very easily labeled links, they're surely not going to bother reading any of the install docs and will have an installation experience similar to trying to ram their head through a brick wall. - jim -- jim mock O|S|D|N open source development network http://soupnazi.org/ http://osdn.com/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 10:49:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8367E37B4EC for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1DIn4H83785; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:49:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Seth Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion In-Reply-To: Message from Seth of "Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:49:22 EST." <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:49:04 -0800 Message-ID: <83781.982090144@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This suggestion has probably been debated ad nauseum already, but I'd > like to make it anyway on the off chance that nobody's ever heard it > before :) It's been debated ad-nauseum, but it's still a good idea. :) Basically, if you're willing to step forward with an installation guide suitably marked up in HTML or SGML, I and others can try to get it committed to the relevant part of the web page. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 11:42:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from level3.dynacom.net (level3.dynacom.net [206.107.213.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1246337B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24497 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2001 19:42:33 -0000 Received: from dsl1-160.dynacom.net (HELO urx.com) (206.159.132.160) by mail.urx.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 19:42:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:42:26 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mij@osdn.com Cc: Seth , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Mock wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 10:49:22 -0500, Seth wrote: > > This suggestion has probably been debated ad nauseum already, but I'd > > like to make it anyway on the off chance that nobody's ever heard it > > before :) > > > > One of the hardest things for people new to FreeBSD to do is locate > > the installation disks & instructions. This sounds strange to those > > of us who are familiar with the web site, but the images are three > > clicks away from the main page, and the links are embedded in stuff > > that the impatient would-be user won't want to read. I can't tell > > you the number of times I've pointed people to the freebsd.org web > > site and then had to hand-hold them through locating the floppies and > > imaging instructions. More than once, I've heard "if it's this much > > trouble to install, how hard is it going to be to USE?" > > If they think clicking through 3 links to get to is "too much trouble" > they shouldn't be using FreeBSD. If they can't be bothered to click the > very easily labeled links, they're surely not going to bother reading > any of the install docs and will have an installation experience similar > to trying to ram their head through a brick wall. Part of the problem is that when they get to the "Handbook Chapter on Obtaining FreeBSD", they are presented with Appendix A. To a newbie, Appendix A is a series of TLA's that are completely giberish until they have been using FreeBSD for a while. There isn't a chapter on obtaining FreeBSD and there also aren't any instructions. Using FTP to download an iso or the bin files would be a section by itself. The closest I have seen is Dan's web page at http://www.freebsddiary.org/read.html. I don't think a newbie can use CVS or CTM to install FreeBSD. So, you have a series of choices that don't make any sense and more than half of them don't apply. I also don't have any idea where the process is breaking down. I always thought it was a literacy test such as pushing a pull door and I flunked it at times. Bookmarking the process at the release level of an FTP mirror is one way through the jungle and that is the route I have taken. Kent > > - jim > > -- > jim mock O|S|D|N open source development network > http://soupnazi.org/ http://osdn.com/ | jim@FreeBSD.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 11:55:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pop.andover.net (mail.andover.net [209.192.217.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9435637B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from guinness.osdn.com (root@guinness.osdn.com [209.192.217.152]) by pop.andover.net (8.11.0/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f1DJtIK00648; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:55:24 -0500 Received: (from jim@localhost) by guinness.osdn.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f1DJtFo01342; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:55:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:55:15 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Kent Stewart Cc: Seth , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> Reply-To: mij@osdn.com References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com>; from kstewart@urx.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 11:42:26AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 11:42:26 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > Jim Mock wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 10:49:22 -0500, Seth wrote: > > > This suggestion has probably been debated ad nauseum already, but > > > I'd like to make it anyway on the off chance that nobody's ever > > > heard it before :) > > > > > > One of the hardest things for people new to FreeBSD to do is > > > locate the installation disks & instructions. This sounds strange > > > to those of us who are familiar with the web site, but the images > > > are three clicks away from the main page, and the links are > > > embedded in stuff that the impatient would-be user won't want to > > > read. I can't tell you the number of times I've pointed people to > > > the freebsd.org web site and then had to hand-hold them through > > > locating the floppies and imaging instructions. More than once, > > > I've heard "if it's this much trouble to install, how hard is it > > > going to be to USE?" > > > > If they think clicking through 3 links to get to is "too much > > trouble" they shouldn't be using FreeBSD. If they can't be bothered > > to click the very easily labeled links, they're surely not going to > > bother reading any of the install docs and will have an installation > > experience similar to trying to ram their head through a brick wall. > > Part of the problem is that when they get to the "Handbook Chapter on > Obtaining FreeBSD", they are presented with Appendix A. To a newbie, > Appendix A is a series of TLA's that are completely giberish until > they have been using FreeBSD for a while. There isn't a chapter on > obtaining FreeBSD and there also aren't any instructions. Using FTP to > download an iso or the bin files would be a section by itself. The > closest I have seen is Dan's web page at > http://www.freebsddiary.org/read.html. I don't think a newbie can use > CVS or CTM to install FreeBSD. So, you have a series of choices that > don't make any sense and more than half of them don't apply. I think you're talking about a whole different situation here. I'm talking about if you go to http://www.FreeBSD.org/ and look under the "Easy to install" header, you'll see a link that says "these directions". That takes you to the install chapter of the handbook, which then takes you to the floppy download and creation. I'm guessing you're talking about the "Getting FreeBSD" link under "Software" on the bar on the left side of the site. This should also point to the handbook's install chapter which explains getting the floppies. If no one disagrees, I'll change it to do so. - jim -- jim mock O|S|D|N open source development network http://soupnazi.org/ http://osdn.com/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 11:59:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from psychotic.aberrant.org (psychotic.aberrant.org [64.81.134.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07BE37B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from seth@localhost) by psychotic.aberrant.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA70467; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:59:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from seth) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:59:45 -0500 From: Seth To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010213145945.A70445@psychotic.aberrant.org> References: <83781.982090144@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <83781.982090144@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:04AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks. I'll try to get something together in the next couple of days. Just for clarification, I'm not suggesting rewriting the installation guide or any part of the handbook. It just occurred to me that since one of the core products of the Group is this incredible OS, it might deserve a link off the front page for easier access, with a clear indication of what the current -release version is that people are grabbing. This page would be the ideal place to provide links to Appendix A and any other installation guidelines that are out there, with a summary of each. Again, the proof is in the pudding, so give me a chance to develop some of these ideas into a prototype page. It'll be HTML, since I don't know SGML. :) --Seth. P.S.: not volunteering here (since I don't know the language), but the Spanish website seems to be advertising 3.4 as the latest release: http://www.freebsd.org/es/releases/index.html On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:04AM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > This suggestion has probably been debated ad nauseum already, but I'd > > like to make it anyway on the off chance that nobody's ever heard it > > before :) > > It's been debated ad-nauseum, but it's still a good idea. :) > > Basically, if you're willing to step forward with an installation > guide suitably marked up in HTML or SGML, I and others can try to get > it committed to the relevant part of the web page. > > - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 12: 9:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E33837B491; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:09:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1DJM2r34615; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:22:02 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:22:02 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Rasmus Kaj Cc: Nik Clayton , John Reynolds~ , Beau , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Documentation Message-ID: <20010213192202.A33970@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <14966.58186.247528.426703@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010131013258.A12527@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <84elx2o894.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <84elx2o894.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se>; from kaj@raditex.se on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:30:47PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:30:47PM +0100, Rasmus Kaj wrote: > So I think the word "Copyright" could be a link to the rest of the > legal stuff, which could reside either at the bottom of the frontpage > or on its own page. Done. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 13:46:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from level3.dynacom.net (level3.dynacom.net [206.107.213.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4050C37B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3198 invoked by uid 0); 13 Feb 2001 21:46:43 -0000 Received: from dsl1-160.dynacom.net (HELO urx.com) (206.159.132.160) by mail.urx.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2001 21:46:43 -0000 Message-ID: <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:46:42 -0800 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mij@osdn.com Cc: Seth , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Mock wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 11:42:26 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > Jim Mock wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 10:49:22 -0500, Seth wrote: > > > > This suggestion has probably been debated ad nauseum already, but > > > > I'd like to make it anyway on the off chance that nobody's ever > > > > heard it before :) > > > > > > > > One of the hardest things for people new to FreeBSD to do is > > > > locate the installation disks & instructions. This sounds strange > > > > to those of us who are familiar with the web site, but the images > > > > are three clicks away from the main page, and the links are > > > > embedded in stuff that the impatient would-be user won't want to > > > > read. I can't tell you the number of times I've pointed people to > > > > the freebsd.org web site and then had to hand-hold them through > > > > locating the floppies and imaging instructions. More than once, > > > > I've heard "if it's this much trouble to install, how hard is it > > > > going to be to USE?" > > > > > > If they think clicking through 3 links to get to is "too much > > > trouble" they shouldn't be using FreeBSD. If they can't be bothered > > > to click the very easily labeled links, they're surely not going to > > > bother reading any of the install docs and will have an installation > > > experience similar to trying to ram their head through a brick wall. > > > > Part of the problem is that when they get to the "Handbook Chapter on > > Obtaining FreeBSD", they are presented with Appendix A. To a newbie, > > Appendix A is a series of TLA's that are completely giberish until > > they have been using FreeBSD for a while. There isn't a chapter on > > obtaining FreeBSD and there also aren't any instructions. Using FTP to > > download an iso or the bin files would be a section by itself. The > > closest I have seen is Dan's web page at > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/read.html. I don't think a newbie can use > > CVS or CTM to install FreeBSD. So, you have a series of choices that > > don't make any sense and more than half of them don't apply. > > I think you're talking about a whole different situation here. I'm > talking about if you go to http://www.FreeBSD.org/ and look under the > "Easy to install" header, you'll see a link that says "these > directions". That takes you to the install chapter of the handbook, > which then takes you to the floppy download and creation. > > I'm guessing you're talking about the "Getting FreeBSD" link under > "Software" on the bar on the left side of the site. This should also > point to the handbook's install chapter which explains getting the > floppies. If no one disagrees, I'll change it to do so. Yes, that is the link I was talking about and the one I think people are getting lost on. Kent > > - jim > > -- > jim mock O|S|D|N open source development network > http://soupnazi.org/ http://osdn.com/ | jim@FreeBSD.org -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 14:10:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from psychotic.aberrant.org (psychotic.aberrant.org [64.81.134.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F7937B4EC for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from seth@localhost) by psychotic.aberrant.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA70616; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:10:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from seth) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:10:35 -0500 From: Seth To: Kent Stewart Cc: mij@osdn.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010213171035.B70575@psychotic.aberrant.org> References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com>; from kstewart@urx.com on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:46:42PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What I see happening is this: people come to the website, but find there's no one link that tells them what to get and how to get it. There are plenty of places that explain both of these things, but they're in different parts of the site. What I'm proposing is to bring them together, so that an impatient prospective user can see, at a glance, what the latest version is (IMHO, this should be on the main page as well), find out where to purchase a copy, download the tools necessary to install over a network or burn an install ISO, and find the necessary documentation to guide him/her through the process. Again, all of this is available today -- but it requires wading through the site to find it, and some time on the user's part to find all of it. Whether or not we want users who won't take the time to hunt for the information notwithstanding, we should make it as simple as possible to find all the information on "what, where, and how". Don't change the site or its contents; just consolidate some of the links on another page that's highlighted from the main page. Give me a few days to come up with an example, but I'll beg your forgiveness in advance for my bad HTML. Seth. History truncated a bit.... On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:46:42PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > Jim Mock wrote: > > > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 11:42:26 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > Jim Mock wrote: > > > > to click the very easily labeled links, they're surely not going to > > > > bother reading any of the install docs and will have an installation > > > > experience similar to trying to ram their head through a brick wall. > > > > > > Part of the problem is that when they get to the "Handbook Chapter on > > > Obtaining FreeBSD", they are presented with Appendix A. To a newbie, > > > Appendix A is a series of TLA's that are completely giberish until > > > they have been using FreeBSD for a while. There isn't a chapter on > > > obtaining FreeBSD and there also aren't any instructions. Using FTP to > > > download an iso or the bin files would be a section by itself. The > > > closest I have seen is Dan's web page at > > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/read.html. I don't think a newbie can use > > > CVS or CTM to install FreeBSD. So, you have a series of choices that > > > don't make any sense and more than half of them don't apply. > > > > I think you're talking about a whole different situation here. I'm > > talking about if you go to http://www.FreeBSD.org/ and look under the > > "Easy to install" header, you'll see a link that says "these > > directions". That takes you to the install chapter of the handbook, > > which then takes you to the floppy download and creation. > > > > I'm guessing you're talking about the "Getting FreeBSD" link under > > "Software" on the bar on the left side of the site. This should also > > point to the handbook's install chapter which explains getting the > > floppies. If no one disagrees, I'll change it to do so. > > Yes, that is the link I was talking about and the one I think people > are getting lost on. > > Kent > > > > > - jim > > > > -- > > jim mock O|S|D|N open source development network > > http://soupnazi.org/ http://osdn.com/ | jim@FreeBSD.org > > -- > Kent Stewart > Richland, WA > > mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com > http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html > FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 14:29:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6A237B4EC; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1DMTBf81959; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:29:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:29:11 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200102132229.f1DMTBf81959@freefall.freebsd.org> To: petef@databits.net, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25047: update link for mirror sites database in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: update link for mirror sites database in handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Tue Feb 13 14:28:55 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25047 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 14:30:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E0137B698; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1DMUcT82186; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyboy) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:30:38 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200102132230.f1DMUcT82186@freefall.freebsd.org> To: vallo@matti.ee, dannyboy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24950: Broken link on http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Broken link on http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dannyboy State-Changed-When: Tue Feb 13 14:30:13 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks for the report. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24950 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 17:50:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hutchtel.net (ns1.hutchtel.net [206.9.112.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A0137B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mark9 (hutch-710.hutchtel.net [206.10.71.10]) by ns1.hutchtel.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA07660; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:50:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00a201c09628$74fd7600$6100000a@vladsempire.net> From: "Josh Paetzel" To: "Seth" , "Kent Stewart" Cc: , References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com> <20010213171035.B70575@psychotic.aberrant.org> Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:49:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seth" To: "Kent Stewart" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Web page suggestion > What I see happening is this: people come to the website, but find there's > no one link that tells them what to get and how to get it. There are plenty > of places that explain both of these things, but they're in different parts > of the site. What I'm proposing is to bring them together, so that an > impatient prospective user can see, at a glance, what the latest version is > (IMHO, this should be on the main page as well), find out where to purchase > a copy, download the tools necessary to install over a network or burn > an install ISO, and find the necessary documentation to guide him/her > through the process. Again, all of this is available today -- but it > requires wading through the site to find it, and some time on the user's > part to find all of it. Whether or not we want users who won't take > the time to hunt for the information notwithstanding, we should make > it as simple as possible to find all the information on "what, where, > and how". > > Don't change the site or its contents; just consolidate some of the links > on another page that's highlighted from the main page. Give me a few days > to come up with an example, but I'll beg your forgiveness in advance for > my bad HTML. > > Seth. > > I don't think that we need to encourage users that don't want to "wade" through the three links on the website to get to the installation instructions. I think someone who is going to have a good experience with FBSD is someone who will read the entire handbook a couple of times before trying an install. Someone who wants to be able to figure things out for themselves. FreeBSD has a steep learning curve, and we might as well let people know that right away. I installed FreeBSD in 1996, and I didn't have a clue about unix. I didn't know anything. It took me almost a year to be able to do anything with it at all. I don't think that it is fair to people to give them the impression that FreeBSD is super user friendly. (By that I mean, you don't need to know anything to use it. Just point and click, baby.) There is windows and various linux distros for that. Josh > History truncated a bit.... > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:46:42PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > > > > Jim Mock wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 11:42:26 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > > Jim Mock wrote: > > > > > to click the very easily labeled links, they're surely not going to > > > > > bother reading any of the install docs and will have an installation > > > > > experience similar to trying to ram their head through a brick wall. > > > > > > > > Part of the problem is that when they get to the "Handbook Chapter on > > > > Obtaining FreeBSD", they are presented with Appendix A. To a newbie, > > > > Appendix A is a series of TLA's that are completely giberish until > > > > they have been using FreeBSD for a while. There isn't a chapter on > > > > obtaining FreeBSD and there also aren't any instructions. Using FTP to > > > > download an iso or the bin files would be a section by itself. The > > > > closest I have seen is Dan's web page at > > > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/read.html. I don't think a newbie can use > > > > CVS or CTM to install FreeBSD. So, you have a series of choices that > > > > don't make any sense and more than half of them don't apply. > > > > > > I think you're talking about a whole different situation here. I'm > > > talking about if you go to http://www.FreeBSD.org/ and look under the > > > "Easy to install" header, you'll see a link that says "these > > > directions". That takes you to the install chapter of the handbook, > > > which then takes you to the floppy download and creation. > > > > > > I'm guessing you're talking about the "Getting FreeBSD" link under > > > "Software" on the bar on the left side of the site. This should also > > > point to the handbook's install chapter which explains getting the > > > floppies. If no one disagrees, I'll change it to do so. > > > > Yes, that is the link I was talking about and the one I think people > > are getting lost on. > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > - jim > > > > > > -- > > > jim mock O|S|D|N open source development network > > > http://soupnazi.org/ http://osdn.com/ | jim@FreeBSD.org > > > > -- > > Kent Stewart > > Richland, WA > > > > mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com > > http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html > > FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 18:31:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.theinternet.com.au (zeus.theinternet.com.au [203.34.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E63537B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from akm@localhost) by mail.theinternet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA64655; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:30:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from akm) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:30:41 +1000 From: Andrew Kenneth Milton To: Josh Paetzel Cc: Seth , Kent Stewart , mij@osdn.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010214123040.O39738@zeus.theinternet.com.au> References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com> <20010213171035.B70575@psychotic.aberrant.org> <00a201c09628$74fd7600$6100000a@vladsempire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <00a201c09628$74fd7600$6100000a@vladsempire.net>; from Josh Paetzel on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 07:49:35PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org +-------[ Josh Paetzel ]---------------------- | | | | I don't think that we need to encourage users that don't want to | "wade" through the three links on the website to get to the | installation instructions. I think you severely underestimate the level of the people trying to do this. Generally they're looking for alternatives, they have scratch box or partition and they're trying out 3 or 4 flavours of Linux, and they want to throw FreeBSD into the mix. Or they're trying out something other than Linux because they're starting to hear more and more press about FreeBSD. They don't want to wade through hundreds of pages of doco to find where the software is. They want to download, and have a go themselves first before reading the doco. At this point, some will give up if it doesn't go to plan, some will RTFH, some will ask for help on the mailling lists or on the various irc channels that are around. | I think someone who is going to have a | good experience with FBSD is someone who will read the entire handbook | a couple of times before trying an install. Someone who wants to be | able to figure things out for themselves. FreeBSD has a steep | learning curve, and we might as well let people know that right away. It doesn't have a steep learning curve for those who are already familiar with UNIX type systems. Complete novices should still be able to install the system (or find it to download it and install it), even if they don't know what to do with it once they've done so. | I installed FreeBSD in 1996, and I didn't have a clue about unix. I | didn't know anything. It took me almost a year to be able to do | anything with it at all. I don't think that it is fair to people to | give them the impression that FreeBSD is super user friendly. But we want it to be right? I mean we're not a group of elitists who think UNIX shouldn't be available to everyone are we? Are we? If people want to install something to have a play, or to see what they can do, we shouldn't be discouraging curiosity, or creativity. From a sheer advocacy point of view, I would think having direct links on the front page to download the CD and floppy images can only be a good thing. In fact I would put a Getting FreeBSD section on the main page, not just in the sidebar (between Easy to Install and FreeBSD is free, is where I'd put it d8). Like it or not the customer base is growing into a new arena, and we (as a community), should be taking steps to embrace the new populous, even if they have goofy requests, or don't always RTF[HM]. They have been cultured very hard by big marketing companies that computers aren't scary things, and that computers don't have to be hard to use or operate. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068 |akm@theinternet.com.au| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 19:14:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hutchtel.net (ns1.hutchtel.net [206.9.112.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE3037B503 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:14:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mark9 (hutch-710.hutchtel.net [206.10.71.10]) by ns1.hutchtel.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA26700; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:13:35 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <011901c09634$19144b00$6100000a@vladsempire.net> From: "Josh Paetzel" To: "Andrew Kenneth Milton" Cc: "Seth" , "Kent Stewart" , , References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com> <20010213171035.B70575@psychotic.aberrant.org> <00a201c09628$74fd7600$6100000a@vladsempire.net> <20010214123040.O39738@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:12:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Kenneth Milton" To: "Josh Paetzel" Cc: "Seth" ; "Kent Stewart" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Web page suggestion > +-------[ Josh Paetzel ]---------------------- > | > | > | > | I don't think that we need to encourage users that don't want to > | "wade" through the three links on the website to get to the > | installation instructions. > > I think you severely underestimate the level of the people trying to do this. > Generally they're looking for alternatives, they have scratch box or partition > and they're trying out 3 or 4 flavours of Linux, and they want to throw > FreeBSD into the mix. Or they're trying out something other than Linux because > they're starting to hear more and more press about FreeBSD. > > They don't want to wade through hundreds of pages of doco to find where > the software is. They want to download, and have a go themselves first > before reading the doco. At this point, some will give up if it doesn't > go to plan, some will RTFH, some will ask for help on the mailling > lists or on the various irc channels that are around. > I don't think that I am underestimating people. I've helped 15 people install FreeBSD via irc this year so far. Most of them linux users that wanted to give FBSD a go, but a few of them had no *nix experience at all. > | I think someone who is going to have a > | good experience with FBSD is someone who will read the entire handbook > | a couple of times before trying an install. Someone who wants to be > | able to figure things out for themselves. FreeBSD has a steep > | learning curve, and we might as well let people know that right away. > > It doesn't have a steep learning curve for those who are already familiar > with UNIX type systems. Complete novices should still be able to install > the system (or find it to download it and install it), even if they > don't know what to do with it once they've done so. > Of course it doesn't have a steep learning curve for someone who already knows unix. What does that have to do with anything? Complete novices can install the system if they read the handbook installation section. I did it, and I was as novice as they come. > | I installed FreeBSD in 1996, and I didn't have a clue about unix. I > | didn't know anything. It took me almost a year to be able to do > | anything with it at all. I don't think that it is fair to people to > | give them the impression that FreeBSD is super user friendly. > > But we want it to be right? I mean we're not a group of elitists who think > UNIX shouldn't be available to everyone are we? Are we? > Unix is available to anyone, but I don't know if we want to get into spoon feeding people. That can get to be Extremely time consuming. I don't know about you, but I spend anywhere from an hour to three hours a night going through mail from the FreeBSD mailing lists. Sad to say, but most of that time is spent on -questions. Are we elitists? I don't know. If you look at the long-time unix gurus, you will find that a lot of them learned unix when there really wasn't good documentation or help available, and they figured this stuff out. Now we have tons of docs and manuals and howto's and websites and on and on. I can see how someone like that would look elitist to some. I don't blame em, either. How do you learn better? I don't know about you, but I tend to learn more when I fight through stuff then when someone just blurts out the answer. > If people want to install something to have a play, or to see what they > can do, we shouldn't be discouraging curiosity, or creativity. > >From a sheer advocacy point of view, I would think having direct > links on the front page to download the CD and floppy images can only > be a good thing. In fact I would put a Getting FreeBSD section on the > main page, not just in the sidebar (between Easy to Install and FreeBSD > is free, is where I'd put it d8). > > Like it or not the customer base is growing into a new arena, and we > (as a community), should be taking steps to embrace the new populous, > even if they have goofy requests, or don't always RTF[HM]. They have > been cultured very hard by big marketing companies that computers > aren't scary things, and that computers don't have to be hard to use > or operate. > Personally, I think that FreeBSD should stick to its strengths. Stability and performance in server applications. Yes sound support and X windows eye candy and so on and so forth is nice. I don't think that we are doing ourselves any good to try and compete as a desktop OS, though. Can you use FreeBSD as your primary platform for desktop applications? Yes. Does that mean that it's a good idea? I don't know. Personally, I wouldn't mind if we kept our primary focus for support on our primary users, namely, server type stuff. Leave the newbies who want to be l33t and run unix on their desktop to the linux crowd. When they are ready to run with the big dogs, then they can move up to FreeBSD. Anyways, just my opinion. Not at all neccesarily supported by anyone that matters. Josh > -- > Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew Milton > The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | > ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe Daemon > PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068 |akm@theinternet.com.au| > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 20: 5:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from psychotic.aberrant.org (psychotic.aberrant.org [64.81.134.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3990537B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:05:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from seth@localhost) by psychotic.aberrant.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA70919; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:04:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from seth) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:04:28 -0500 From: Seth To: Josh Paetzel Cc: Andrew Kenneth Milton , Kent Stewart , mij@osdn.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010213230428.A70865@psychotic.aberrant.org> References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com> <20010213171035.B70575@psychotic.aberrant.org> <00a201c09628$74fd7600$6100000a@vladsempire.net> <20010214123040.O39738@zeus.theinternet.com.au> <011901c09634$19144b00$6100000a@vladsempire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <011901c09634$19144b00$6100000a@vladsempire.net>; from jpaetzel@hutchtel.net on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 09:12:53PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My comments were going to be inline, but here it is: I agree that spoon-feeding should be discouraged. You're going to have to tell me, though, how creating a link that makes it easier to download the software (AND read the necessary docs) is going to increase the luser factor. You're also going to have to prove to me that "security through obscurity" (which is how I view your idea that "if we make it hard to find, we'll weed out the kiddies") works and is in the best interest of the project. I think that giving people a central place to download AND get the documentation they need will help. It's worth a try, I think, especially since it'll take very little work from the group once the politics are ironed out. Keep a webcounter on it, and re- evaluate in 6 months. If it doesn't perform, then axe it. I also think it's completely unreasonable to expect prospective users to read the handbook "a couple of times" before giving FreeBSD a try (comments on your last post). Hell, I don't think I've read the entire handbook through end-to-end ONCE. It's a bit like K&R, IMHO -- a great reference, but not a great bedtime storybook. I'd like to take something you said in the email below and expand on it, because I think you make a very interesting point: the fact that real skill comes from "fighting through stuff" rather than having the answer blurted out. I agree completely with this, BTW. Why not then make it easier for prospective users to maximize their real time with the OS by making it easy for them to get their hands on it? If someone has to spend X minutes just trying to find out where to grab the goods, then that's X minutes that s/he doesn't have to fight through stuff once it's installed. My experience has been that frustration is cumulative: if you make the startup and installation as easy as possible, the user will invest more time before giving up in disgust. The more positive experience s/he has, the more confidence s/he gains, and the less likely s/he is to either ask stupid questions or ditch the OS entirely. Anyway, I think this discussion is getting a bit off-topic. The bottom-line question is this: does it make sense to create a page that has links to installation-specific content, and make that page "highly visible" (definition subjective) to visitors? MHO is that it can't hurt, and might even help recruit the next generation of gurus. Hell, I think it would be helpful to THIS generation of gurus, as well as those gurus who are so senile they keep forgetting where the floppy images are located and end up re-reading Appendix A for the 30th time. :) Enough for tonight. I'm off to bed. Seth. On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 09:12:53PM -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Kenneth Milton" > To: "Josh Paetzel" > Cc: "Seth" ; "Kent Stewart" > ; ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: Web page suggestion > > > > +-------[ Josh Paetzel ]---------------------- > > | > > | > > | > > | I don't think that we need to encourage users that don't want to > > | "wade" through the three links on the website to get to the > > | installation instructions. > > > > I think you severely underestimate the level of the people trying to > do this. > > Generally they're looking for alternatives, they have scratch box or > partition > > and they're trying out 3 or 4 flavours of Linux, and they want to > throw > > FreeBSD into the mix. Or they're trying out something other than > Linux because > > they're starting to hear more and more press about FreeBSD. > > > > They don't want to wade through hundreds of pages of doco to find > where > > the software is. They want to download, and have a go themselves > first > > before reading the doco. At this point, some will give up if it > doesn't > > go to plan, some will RTFH, some will ask for help on the mailling > > lists or on the various irc channels that are around. > > > > I don't think that I am underestimating people. I've helped 15 > people install FreeBSD via irc this year so far. Most of them linux > users that wanted to give FBSD a go, but a few of them had no *nix > experience at all. > > > | I think someone who is going to have a > > | good experience with FBSD is someone who will read the entire > handbook > > | a couple of times before trying an install. Someone who wants to > be > > | able to figure things out for themselves. FreeBSD has a steep > > | learning curve, and we might as well let people know that right > away. > > > > It doesn't have a steep learning curve for those who are already > familiar > > with UNIX type systems. Complete novices should still be able to > install > > the system (or find it to download it and install it), even if they > > don't know what to do with it once they've done so. > > > > Of course it doesn't have a steep learning curve for someone who > already knows unix. What does that have to do with anything? > Complete novices can install the system if they read the handbook > installation section. I did it, and I was as novice as they come. > > > | I installed FreeBSD in 1996, and I didn't have a clue about unix. > I > > | didn't know anything. It took me almost a year to be able to do > > | anything with it at all. I don't think that it is fair to people > to > > | give them the impression that FreeBSD is super user friendly. > > > > But we want it to be right? I mean we're not a group of elitists who > think > > UNIX shouldn't be available to everyone are we? Are we? > > > > Unix is available to anyone, but I don't know if we want to get into > spoon feeding people. That can get to be Extremely time consuming. I > don't know about you, but I spend anywhere from an hour to three hours > a night going through mail from the FreeBSD mailing lists. Sad to > say, but most of that time is spent on -questions. Are we elitists? > I don't know. If you look at the long-time unix gurus, you will find > that a lot of them learned unix when there really wasn't good > documentation or help available, and they figured this stuff out. Now > we have tons of docs and manuals and howto's and websites and on and > on. I can see how someone like that would look elitist to some. I > don't blame em, either. How do you learn better? I don't know about > you, but I tend to learn more when I fight through stuff then when > someone just blurts out the answer. > > > > If people want to install something to have a play, or to see what > they > > can do, we shouldn't be discouraging curiosity, or creativity. > > >From a sheer advocacy point of view, I would think having direct > > links on the front page to download the CD and floppy images can > only > > be a good thing. In fact I would put a Getting FreeBSD section on > the > > main page, not just in the sidebar (between Easy to Install and > FreeBSD > > is free, is where I'd put it d8). > > > > Like it or not the customer base is growing into a new arena, and we > > (as a community), should be taking steps to embrace the new > populous, > > even if they have goofy requests, or don't always RTF[HM]. They have > > been cultured very hard by big marketing companies that computers > > aren't scary things, and that computers don't have to be hard to use > > or operate. > > > > Personally, I think that FreeBSD should stick to its strengths. > Stability and performance in server applications. Yes sound support > and X windows eye candy and so on and so forth is nice. I don't think > that we are doing ourselves any good to try and compete as a desktop > OS, though. Can you use FreeBSD as your primary platform for desktop > applications? Yes. Does that mean that it's a good idea? I don't > know. Personally, I wouldn't mind if we kept our primary focus for > support on our primary users, namely, server type stuff. Leave the > newbies who want to be l33t and run unix on their desktop to the linux > crowd. When they are ready to run with the big dogs, then they can > move up to FreeBSD. Anyways, just my opinion. Not at all neccesarily > supported by anyone that matters. > > Josh > > > > > -- > > Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew > Milton > > The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | > > ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 | Carpe > Daemon > > PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068 |akm@theinternet.com.au| > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 20:21:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA1E37B4EC for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from kbw.go.id (mail.kbw.go.id [202.155.9.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038E36E2877 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange [10.10.10.110] by kbw.go.id [202.155.9.14] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.1.R) for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:58:25 +0700 Message-ID: <000701c09701$6c1a0560$6e0a0a0a@exchange> From: "rio" To: Subject: join Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:43:12 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0973C.185772B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Return-Path: rio@kbw.go.id X-MDRcpt-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-MDRemoteIP: 10.10.10.110 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0973C.185772B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i like to join ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0973C.185772B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C0973C.185772B0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 20:36:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from patsy.siteprotect.com (patsy.siteprotect.com [64.26.0.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6C937B503 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from guildenstern (242.pcc.net [209.101.118.242]) by patsy.siteprotect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05078 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:36:09 -0600 Message-ID: <02d901c0963f$a5c326b0$0201a8c0@guildenstern> From: "Jason N. Perkins" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:35:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 870e5a3c subscribe freebsd-doc jason@somebodydial911.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Feb 13 22: 1:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C7737B491 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1E61HH85736; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:01:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Seth Cc: Josh Paetzel , Andrew Kenneth Milton , Kent Stewart , mij@osdn.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion In-Reply-To: Message from Seth of "Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:04:28 EST." <20010213230428.A70865@psychotic.aberrant.org> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:01:17 -0800 Message-ID: <85731.982130477@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmmm. I think some people here are arguing from such false premises that it'd be truly impossible to "win" either side of the debate in FreeBSD's favor. Sure, there are people who come to FreeBSD with highly unrealistic expectations which are then shattered, causing grief both to them and to the people they dump on. There are also developers with limited time and journalists doing press evaluations who can't spend all day learning how to install FreeBSD. These are valid data points on both sides of the "easy of use, ease of installation" argument and since you can't please both sides, the best you can do is please yourself. I obviously can't speak for what pleases all of you, but some of the things which please me are those which represent the very best examples of their art. A virtual memory subsystem is an intricate and non-trivial piece of technology which is best evaluated on its performance and elegance of design, even though that might not be immediately comprehensible at a glance. A web page which serves as the general public "portal" for FreeBSD, on the other hand, should be evaluated on ease of comprehension and sheer usefulness for the greatest percentage of its viewing public. It would obviously be foolish to judge one objective by the standards of the other, yet I see that kind of thing all the time. We need to simply do the best job we can in *every* category and assume that any problems which might arise as a consequence of doing too good a job can and will be dealt with when the time comes. If we do a bad job at something, it's still a bad job no matter what the justification and we'll never know just how much better we would have done had it been done properly. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 3:10: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from urdvg002.cms.usa.net (urdvg002.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EE6837B401 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 03:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16615 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2001 11:09:42 -0000 Received: from imapcorp.postoffice.net (HELO uadvg132) (165.212.11.132) by corprelay.cms.usa.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2001 11:09:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 19562 invoked by uid 0); 14 Feb 2001 11:09:42 -0000 Received: from uwdvg006 [165.212.9.1] by uadvg132 via mtad (53CM.1200.1.06) with ESMTP id 532FBNLJO0158M28; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:09:40 GMT Received: (qmail 6534 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Feb 2001 11:09:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20010214110939.6533.qmail@uwdvg006> Received: from 165.212.9.1 by twdvg001 for [194.30.128.234] via web-mailer(53CM.1200.1.05) on Wed Feb 14 11:09:39 GMT 2001 Date: 14 Feb 01 03:09:39 PST From: Paid Email To: "Paid Email" Subject: Get Paid For Every Email You Receive X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (53CM.1200.1.05) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A Special Invitation For You, We are sending you this email message to invite you to be a part of our = PAID opt-in mailing lists. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 6:29:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from psychotic.aberrant.org (psychotic.aberrant.org [64.81.134.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F0237B503; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from seth@localhost) by psychotic.aberrant.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA71729; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:28:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from seth) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:28:58 -0500 From: Seth To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010214092858.A71708@psychotic.aberrant.org> References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010214081413.A331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="5vNYLRcllDrimb99" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010214081413.A331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 08:14:13AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --5vNYLRcllDrimb99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I think it's great. One thing I'd add in the "Current release" box is a link to a page I drafted & set to Jordan yesterday. Under "Announcement/Release Notes/Errata", how about a "Download Now" href? I've attached my original draft; there's some redundancy in there since I had the current version w/ announcement, etc. on the secondary page. Maybe it makes sense to repeat it; if not, trash the top part. Again, please forgive the HTML -- I'm not a web designer. Seth. On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 08:14:13AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:22AM -0500, Seth wrote: > > I'm not suggesting that the information isn't there already -- it is. > > But the release information is completely separate from the downloads, > > and it makes sense to me to have all that relevant information in > > one place, highlighted for quick navigation. > > Attached are two files that implement a first, quick, cut at this. > > The first is a patch to www/en/index.sgml. 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--5vNYLRcllDrimb99-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 6:52: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [212.209.126.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C566837B4EC for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:51:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1EErcK12436 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:53:38 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:14:13 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Seth Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010214081413.A331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org>; from seth@psychotic.aberrant.org on Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:22AM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:22AM -0500, Seth wrote: > I'm not suggesting that the information isn't there already -- it is. > But the release information is completely separate from the downloads, > and it makes sense to me to have all that relevant information in > one place, highlighted for quick navigation. Attached are two files that implement a first, quick, cut at this. The first is a patch to www/en/index.sgml. Apply this and test if you have a local copy of the www repository. The second is the index.html that this generates, for those that don't have a repo to hand, and just want to see what it looks like (keep in mind that you won't get any of the images). Comments? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=diff Index: index.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/index.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.102 diff -u -r1.102 index.sgml --- index.sgml 2001/01/25 22:20:23 1.102 +++ index.sgml 2001/02/14 08:11:30 @@ -128,8 +128,26 @@   + + + + +
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--opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 6:55:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bay.ein.cz (bay.ein.cz [212.24.139.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE7C37B491 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from oak.ein.cz (oak.ein.cz [212.24.139.123]) by bay.ein.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2457A136EE for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:40:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by oak.ein.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8F2AE1C6D5; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:40:55 +0100 (CET) From: EIN Media Subject: European Internet Network FREE Daily e-mail News Briefs X-Author: petr@einmedia.com Message-Id: <20010214143212.9B6931C667@oak.ein.cz> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:32:12 +0100 (CET) To: doc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir / Madam, EIN would like to offer you our FREE daily e-mail brief covering your country and region. Daily Briefs are sent at approximately 7am CET. Our editorial team works throughout the day to bring you top news headlines, exchange rates, market news, weather forecast and other important information. We invite you to join over 78,000 other subscribers to EIN Media's news by e-mail service. If you would like to subscribe to any of the FREE Daily e-mail Briefs please go to: http://www.europeaninternet.com/briefs/subscribe.php3 or reply to this message and indicate which version you would like to receive and whether in text or html format. Currently available news are: (New) Daily Brief - Germany Today (New) Daily Brief - Austria Today (New) Daily Brief - France Today (New) Daily Brief - Italy Today (New) Daily Brief - Spain Today (New) Daily Brief - Switzerland Today (New) Daily Brief - Turkey Today (New) Daily Brief - Ukraine Today Daily Brief - Balkans Today Daily Brief - Croatia Today Daily Brief - Romania Today Daily Brief - Slovakia Today Daily Business Brief - Central Europe Online Daily Business Brief - Russia Today Daily Business Brief - Inside China Today Daily Brief - Central Europe Online Daily Brief - Russia Today Daily Brief - Inside China Today Daily Brief - Czech Today Daily Brief - Poland Today Daily Brief - Hungary Today Daily Brief - Yugoslavia Today Best regards, Daily Brief Central European Internet Network http://www.europeaninternet.com To be removed please reply to: remove@europeaninternet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 8: 9:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ra.upan.org (ra.upan.org [204.107.76.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF1D37B401 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:09:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ocsinternet.com (localhost.upan.org [127.0.0.1]) by ra.upan.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1EG80R74844; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:08:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikel@ocsinternet.com) Message-ID: <3A8AAD60.A48580CF@ocsinternet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:08:00 -0500 From: Mikel King Organization: OCS Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Paetzel Cc: Seth , Kent Stewart , mij@osdn.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com> <20010213171035.B70575@psychotic.aberrant.org> <00a201c09628$74fd7600$6100000a@vladsempire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok I've had about as much as I can stand on this. If Seth wants to make it easier by throwing together a quick html page; then so be it. I mean honetsly I doubt very seriously most of us who currently use any alternative OS actually sat down and read the manual even one time let alone a couple of times prior to attempting to install it (if I did my VCR wouldn't be flashing 12:00 all the time). Why don't we make everyone fill out a really long form and submitt a DNA sample prior to allowing them to have access to the system. Really this sounds like a nice idea. I happen to have the pleasure of wirking with some very competent engineers and I can honestly attest that they've been put by this proceedure. Let's face it we live in an instant gratification based society; yes it's sad I know but it's definately true. Seriously what can it hurt to see what this guy is offering? Hell he's doing all the work... Ok I've had my $0.01 cheers, mikel PS: Seth if you want a place to toss this thing up email me... Josh Paetzel wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Seth" > To: "Kent Stewart" > Cc: ; > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: Web page suggestion > > > What I see happening is this: people come to the website, but find > there's > > no one link that tells them what to get and how to get it. There > are plenty > > of places that explain both of these things, but they're in > different parts > > of the site. What I'm proposing is to bring them together, so that > an > > impatient prospective user can see, at a glance, what the latest > version is > > (IMHO, this should be on the main page as well), find out where to > purchase > > a copy, download the tools necessary to install over a network or > burn > > an install ISO, and find the necessary documentation to guide > him/her > > through the process. Again, all of this is available today -- but > it > > requires wading through the site to find it, and some time on the > user's > > part to find all of it. Whether or not we want users who won't take > > the time to hunt for the information notwithstanding, we should make > > it as simple as possible to find all the information on "what, > where, > > and how". > > > > Don't change the site or its contents; just consolidate some of the > links > > on another page that's highlighted from the main page. Give me a > few days > > to come up with an example, but I'll beg your forgiveness in advance > for > > my bad HTML. > > > > Seth. > > > > > > > > I don't think that we need to encourage users that don't want to > "wade" through the three links on the website to get to the > installation instructions. I think someone who is going to have a > good experience with FBSD is someone who will read the entire handbook > a couple of times before trying an install. Someone who wants to be > able to figure things out for themselves. FreeBSD has a steep > learning curve, and we might as well let people know that right away. > I installed FreeBSD in 1996, and I didn't have a clue about unix. I > didn't know anything. It took me almost a year to be able to do > anything with it at all. I don't think that it is fair to people to > give them the impression that FreeBSD is super user friendly. (By > that I mean, you don't need to know anything to use it. Just point > and click, baby.) There is windows and various linux distros for > that. > > Josh > > > > > History truncated a bit.... > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 01:46:42PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jim Mock wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 at 11:42:26 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > > > Jim Mock wrote: > > > > > > to click the very easily labeled links, they're surely not > going to > > > > > > bother reading any of the install docs and will have an > installation > > > > > > experience similar to trying to ram their head through a > brick wall. > > > > > > > > > > Part of the problem is that when they get to the "Handbook > Chapter on > > > > > Obtaining FreeBSD", they are presented with Appendix A. To a > newbie, > > > > > Appendix A is a series of TLA's that are completely giberish > until > > > > > they have been using FreeBSD for a while. There isn't a > chapter on > > > > > obtaining FreeBSD and there also aren't any instructions. > Using FTP to > > > > > download an iso or the bin files would be a section by itself. > The > > > > > closest I have seen is Dan's web page at > > > > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/read.html. I don't think a newbie > can use > > > > > CVS or CTM to install FreeBSD. So, you have a series of > choices that > > > > > don't make any sense and more than half of them don't apply. > > > > > > > > I think you're talking about a whole different situation here. > I'm > > > > talking about if you go to http://www.FreeBSD.org/ and look > under the > > > > "Easy to install" header, you'll see a link that says "these > > > > directions". That takes you to the install chapter of the > handbook, > > > > which then takes you to the floppy download and creation. > > > > > > > > I'm guessing you're talking about the "Getting FreeBSD" link > under > > > > "Software" on the bar on the left side of the site. This should > also > > > > point to the handbook's install chapter which explains getting > the > > > > floppies. If no one disagrees, I'll change it to do so. > > > > > > Yes, that is the link I was talking about and the one I think > people > > > are getting lost on. > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > > > - jim > > > > > > > > -- > > > > jim mock O|S|D|N open source development > network > > > > http://soupnazi.org/ http://osdn.com/ | > jim@FreeBSD.org > > > > > > -- > > > Kent Stewart > > > Richland, WA > > > > > > mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com > > > http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html > > > FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 8:29: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ra.upan.org (ra.upan.org [204.107.76.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8AC37B491; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ocsinternet.com (localhost.upan.org [127.0.0.1]) by ra.upan.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1EGTlR74915; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:29:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikel@ocsinternet.com) Message-ID: <3A8AB27B.A664CD14@ocsinternet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:29:47 -0500 From: Mikel King Organization: OCS Internet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Seth Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010214081413.A331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010214092858.A71708@psychotic.aberrant.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seth, In the interest of making things easier why not create a simple tarball with the kern.flp & mfsroot.flp, fidimage.exe and a it's docs, as well as the fBSD how to and stuff like that for the current version. Call it an express intall kit if you like. Well it's just a thought and really wouldn't take much to throw that into the mix as well. Cheers, mikel Seth wrote: > I think it's great. One thing I'd add in the "Current release" box > is a link to a page I drafted & set to Jordan yesterday. Under > "Announcement/Release Notes/Errata", how about a "Download Now" href? > > I've attached my original draft; there's some redundancy in there since > I had the current version w/ announcement, etc. on the secondary page. > Maybe it makes sense to repeat it; if not, trash the top part. > > Again, please forgive the HTML -- I'm not a web designer. > > Seth. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 08:14:13AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:22AM -0500, Seth wrote: > > > I'm not suggesting that the information isn't there already -- it is. > > > But the release information is completely separate from the downloads, > > > and it makes sense to me to have all that relevant information in > > > one place, highlighted for quick navigation. > > > > Attached are two files that implement a first, quick, cut at this. > > > > The first is a patch to www/en/index.sgml. Apply this and test if you > > have a local copy of the www repository. > > > > The second is the index.html that this generates, for those that don't > > have a repo to hand, and just want to see what it looks like (keep in > > mind that you won't get any of the images). > > > > Comments? > > > > N > > -- > > Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. > > Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, > > hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. > > Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. > > -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery > > > Index: index.sgml > > =================================================================== > > RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/index.sgml,v > > retrieving revision 1.102 > > diff -u -r1.102 index.sgml > > --- index.sgml 2001/01/25 22:20:23 1.102 > > +++ index.sgml 2001/02/14 08:11:30 > > @@ -128,8 +128,26 @@ > >   > > > > > > + > > + > > + > > + > > +
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> > + > + href="&base;/releases/4.2R/announce.html">Announcement > > + · > + href="&base;/handbook/install.html">Installation > > + Guide · > + href="&base;/releases/4.2R/errata.html">Errata
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FreeBSD is an advanced BSD UNIX operating system for the > > Intel compatible (x86), DEC Alpha, and PC-98 architectures. > > It is developed and maintained by > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > newguide.htmlName: newguide.html > Type: Hypertext Markup Language (text/html) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 8:47:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from psychotic.aberrant.org (psychotic.aberrant.org [64.81.134.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EB737B503; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:47:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from seth@localhost) by psychotic.aberrant.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA72260; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:47:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from seth) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:47:08 -0500 From: Seth To: Mikel King Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Message-ID: <20010214114708.B72204@psychotic.aberrant.org> References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010214081413.A331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010214092858.A71708@psychotic.aberrant.org> <3A8AB27B.A664CD14@ocsinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3A8AB27B.A664CD14@ocsinternet.com>; from mikel@ocsinternet.com on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 11:29:47AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had been thinking about that as well. It's easy to get carried away here, but what about a self-extracting windows executable in addition to the tarball? Now that [pk|win]zip can read tarballs, it may not be an issue, though... but isn't there a way to launch a text viewer from a self-extractor? If so, we could have the README/docs/whatever come up when the files have been extracted. Shrug. I think it might be best to table this until we get the fundamental stuff out of the way, but I would like to revisit at some point. It might go a long way towards simplifying the process of obtaining the necessary FreeBSD resources. Seth. On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 11:29:47AM -0500, Mikel King wrote: > Seth, > > In the interest of making things easier why not create a simple tarball with the kern.flp & > mfsroot.flp, fidimage.exe and a it's docs, as well as the fBSD how to and stuff like that for the > current version. Call it an express intall kit if you like. Well it's just a thought and really > wouldn't take much to throw that into the mix as well. > > Cheers, > mikel > > > Seth wrote: > > > I think it's great. One thing I'd add in the "Current release" box > > is a link to a page I drafted & set to Jordan yesterday. Under > > "Announcement/Release Notes/Errata", how about a "Download Now" href? > > > > I've attached my original draft; there's some redundancy in there since > > I had the current version w/ announcement, etc. on the secondary page. > > Maybe it makes sense to repeat it; if not, trash the top part. > > > > Again, please forgive the HTML -- I'm not a web designer. > > > > Seth. > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 08:14:13AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:49:22AM -0500, Seth wrote: > > > > I'm not suggesting that the information isn't there already -- it is. > > > > But the release information is completely separate from the downloads, > > > > and it makes sense to me to have all that relevant information in > > > > one place, highlighted for quick navigation. > > > > > > Attached are two files that implement a first, quick, cut at this. > > > > > > The first is a patch to www/en/index.sgml. Apply this and test if you > > > have a local copy of the www repository. > > > > > > The second is the index.html that this generates, for those that don't > > > have a repo to hand, and just want to see what it looks like (keep in > > > mind that you won't get any of the images). > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > N > > > -- > > > Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. > > > Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, > > > hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. > > > Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. > > > -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery > > > > > Index: index.sgml > > > =================================================================== > > > RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/index.sgml,v > > > retrieving revision 1.102 > > > diff -u -r1.102 index.sgml > > > --- index.sgml 2001/01/25 22:20:23 1.102 > > > +++ index.sgml 2001/02/14 08:11:30 > > > @@ -128,8 +128,26 @@ > > >   > > > > > > > > > + > > > + > > > + > > > + > > > +
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FreeBSD is an advanced BSD UNIX operating system for the > > > Intel compatible (x86), DEC Alpha, and PC-98 architectures. > > > It is developed and maintained by > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > newguide.htmlName: newguide.html > > Type: Hypertext Markup Language (text/html) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 10:24:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from core.atomicbluebear.org (core.atomicbluebear.org [64.4.83.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B7237B401 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 77348 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Feb 2001 18:24:34 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:24:33 -0600 From: Michael Lea To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Rob Simmons , Ragnar Beer , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: security settings documentation Message-ID: <20010214122432.A76375@core.atomicbluebear.org> Mail-Followup-To: Kris Kennaway , Rob Simmons , Ragnar Beer , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010214092909.B72301@mollari.cthul.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010214092909.B72301@mollari.cthul.hu>; from kris@obsecurity.org on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 09:29:09AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Then write up some documentation for us and send it to doc@freebsd.org Somewhat terse, but here's a little "feature" matrix: Fascist High Moderate Low inetd NO NO YES YES sendmail NO YES YES YES sshd NO YES YES YES portmap NO NO * YES nfs_server NO NO ** *** securelevel YES (2) YES (1) NO NO Any other configuration setting are, as near as I can tell, left unchanged. For details on securelevel, see the init(8) man page. NOTES: * Portmap is enabled if the machine has been configured as either an NFS client or an NFS server earlier in the installation process. ** If the machine has been configured as an NFS server, NFS will only run on a reserved port. *** No changes are made to the NFS configuration. - Mike --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqKzVwACgkQc9EFi4qQZEySTACgppRgyLkWRA+LJ7fIv8AYuM7T W3UAoIQeTHPbvK2WXMzN2/tYYTPMIJpW =TMdX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 11: 1:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-67.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF1637B401; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 549EF66B26; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:01:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:01:08 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Kris Kennaway , Rob Simmons , Ragnar Beer , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: security settings documentation Message-ID: <20010214110108.C73656@mollari.cthul.hu> References: <20010214092909.B72301@mollari.cthul.hu> <20010214122432.A76375@core.atomicbluebear.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010214122432.A76375@core.atomicbluebear.org>; from mlea@atomicbluebear.org on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 12:24:33PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 12:24:33PM -0600, Michael Lea wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > Then write up some documentation for us and send it to doc@freebsd.org >=20 > Somewhat terse, but here's a little "feature" matrix: >=20 > Fascist High Moderate Low > inetd NO NO YES YES > sendmail NO YES YES YES > sshd NO YES YES YES > portmap NO NO * YES > nfs_server NO NO ** *** > securelevel YES (2) YES (1) NO NO >=20 > Any other configuration setting are, as near as I can tell, left unchange= d. > For details on securelevel, see the init(8) man page. >=20 > NOTES: > * Portmap is enabled if the machine has been configured as either an NFS > client or an NFS server earlier in the installation process. > ** If the machine has been configured as an NFS server, NFS will only run > on a reserved port. > *** No changes are made to the NFS configuration. Good stuff - thanks! Doc-boyz and girlz, can we get this added somewhere? Kris --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6itXzWry0BWjoQKURAicnAJ9SkPfGdcS4ZAJYJkWDzLz2ztGI+QCeMV4L v3F/hR5Ei77r3IB63Oki8BE= =Dso5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WfZ7S8PLGjBY9Voh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 11:12:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eros.cs.brandeis.edu (eros.cs.brandeis.edu [129.64.3.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C0637B401; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (meshko@localhost) by eros.cs.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30724; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:11:03 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:11:02 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Kruk To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Rob Simmons , Ragnar Beer , , Subject: Re: security settings documentation In-Reply-To: <20010214110108.C73656@mollari.cthul.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah, I've wrote one too but managed to send it to the wrong address :) Anyway, the table is much better, but I have a correction and a suggestion: a) Fascist mode is called fascist only in code, the menu calls it "extereme", and it should be called this way in docs too. b) indicate that Moderate is default, because it really is. > > Somewhat terse, but here's a little "feature" matrix: > > > > Fascist High Moderate Low > > inetd NO NO YES YES > > sendmail NO YES YES YES > > sshd NO YES YES YES > > portmap NO NO * YES > > nfs_server NO NO ** *** > > securelevel YES (2) YES (1) NO NO > > > > Any other configuration setting are, as near as I can tell, left unchanged. > > For details on securelevel, see the init(8) man page. > > > > NOTES: > > * Portmap is enabled if the machine has been configured as either an NFS > > client or an NFS server earlier in the installation process. > > ** If the machine has been configured as an NFS server, NFS will only run > > on a reserved port. > > *** No changes are made to the NFS configuration. > > Good stuff - thanks! > > Doc-boyz and girlz, can we get this added somewhere? > > Kris > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 12: 7:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gnyf.wheel.dk (gnyf.wheel.dk [193.162.159.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B48637B491 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 12:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from soren@localhost) by gnyf.wheel.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA19239 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:07:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:07:27 +0100 From: "Soren S. Jorvang" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: handbook/contrib-additional.html Message-ID: <20010214210727.A19232@gnyf.wheel.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I was told that I am listed as soren@dt.dk, dt.dk being the Danish tourist council :-) I assume what is meant is my old t.dk address. Could you change it to my current one - soren@wheel.dk ? Thanks. -- Soren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 13:28:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dannyboy.worksforfood.com (adsl-207-68-83-103.chlstn.adsl.bellatlantic.net [207.68.83.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EC237B698 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by dannyboy.worksforfood.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ACF965A55F; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:28:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:28:42 -0500 From: Daniel Harris To: "Soren S. Jorvang" Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: handbook/contrib-additional.html Message-ID: <20010214162842.A50596@dannyboy.worksforfood.com> References: <20010214210727.A19232@gnyf.wheel.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010214210727.A19232@gnyf.wheel.dk>; from soren@wheel.dk on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 09:07:27PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 09:07:27PM +0100, Soren S. Jorvang wrote: > I was told that I am listed as soren@dt.dk, dt.dk being the > Danish tourist council :-) I assume what is meant is my old > t.dk address. Could you change it to my current one - > soren@wheel.dk ? I've committed the change, thanks! -- Daniel Harris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 13:35: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (chfdns02.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9873637B503 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 13:34:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.35 2001/02/12 09:03:45 smothers Exp $) with ESMTP id VAA26790 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:37:24 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id OAA07486 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:34:55 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id QAA13363; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:34:55 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14986.63999.310453.221176@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:34:55 -0700 (MST) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: conf/24652 X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can somebody please take a look at PR conf/24652? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24652 it's a "quickie" which has been uncommitted for almost 4 weeks now. I didn't know if this went under "doc" or "conf" at the time of filing the report (with patch!) so that's why it hasn't shown up on the "open doc PR list" mailings as of late. Thanks, -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 14: 7:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from www.lmtribune.com (www.lmtribune.com [216.222.95.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B89037B401 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailpc.lmtribune.com ([199.5.221.152]) by www.lmtribune.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13808 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:08:12 -0800 Received: from ADV/SpoolDir by mailpc.lmtribune.com (Mercury 1.48); 14 Feb 01 14:07:02 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by ADV (Mercury 1.48); 14 Feb 01 14:06:35 -0700 From: "Jim McIver" Organization: Lewiston Morning Tribune To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:06:32 -7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: hard drives Message-ID: <3A8A90EC.3585.196F812E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Trying to do a first time install and I'm failing miserably(three days now). Somewhere I thought I saw something about hard drive sector translation and I'm not sure how to set this in my BIOS. Drive is 3121 cly, 16hds, 63sec. Do I want translation on or off? Regards, Jim McIver Systems Technician Lewiston Morning Tribune PO Box 957 505 C. Street Lewiston ID 83501 jmciver@lmtribune.com www.lmtribune.com 208-743-9411 Ext. 254 208-746-1185 fax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 16:12:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EBF37B4EC; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1F0CeH89173; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:12:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Nik Clayton Cc: Seth , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web page suggestion In-Reply-To: Message from Nik Clayton of "Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:14:13 GMT." <20010214081413.A331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:12:40 -0800 Message-ID: <89169.982195960@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Attached are two files that implement a first, quick, cut at this. I think you both are on the right track. I'm about to be away for several days, however, so I'll leave it to Nik to commit whatever you guys end up agreeing on. I don't want to be a bottleneck here and I think this is a web page commit which needs to happen. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 17:59:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hutchtel.net (ns1.hutchtel.net [206.9.112.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A52037B491 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mark9 (hutch-779.hutchtel.net [206.10.71.79]) by ns1.hutchtel.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA30039; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:58:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003901c096f2$d285a5c0$6100000a@vladsempire.net> From: "Josh Paetzel" To: "Mikel King" Cc: "Seth" , "Kent Stewart" , , References: <20010213104922.A70178@psychotic.aberrant.org> <20010213125007.B375@guinness.osdn.com> <3A898E22.39A43C02@urx.com> <20010213145515.B1203@guinness.osdn.com> <3A89AB42.B5F0E207@urx.com> <20010213171035.B70575@psychotic.aberrant.org> <00a201c09628$74fd7600$6100000a@vladsempire.net> <3A8AAD60.A48580CF@ocsinternet.com> Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 19:58:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikel King" To: "Josh Paetzel" Cc: "Seth" ; "Kent Stewart" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Web page suggestion > Ok I've had about as much as I can stand on this. If Seth wants to make > it easier by throwing together a quick html page; then so be it. I mean > honetsly I doubt very seriously most of us who currently use any > alternative OS actually sat down and read the manual even one time let > alone a couple of times prior to attempting to install it (if I did my > VCR wouldn't be flashing 12:00 all the time). Why don't we make everyone > fill out a really long form and submitt a DNA sample prior to allowing > them to have access to the system. I guess I must be a moron. I've read the handbook dozens of times. Sometimes I fire through it to see if anything has changed, but mostly just to stay up to date on stuff that I don't actually do myself all that often. Hopefully I will get to the point someday where I can just do stuff without needing to do mundane things like read the documentation. Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 18:33:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hutchtel.net (ns1.hutchtel.net [206.9.112.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DEA37B4EC for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:33:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mark9 (hutch-779.hutchtel.net [206.10.71.79]) by ns1.hutchtel.net (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA26162; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:33:14 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <007301c096f7$a181c9e0$6100000a@vladsempire.net> From: "Josh Paetzel" To: "Seth" , "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: "Andrew Kenneth Milton" , "Kent Stewart" , , References: <85731.982130477@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: Web page suggestion Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:32:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Hubbard" To: "Seth" Cc: "Josh Paetzel" ; "Andrew Kenneth Milton" ; "Kent Stewart" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Web page suggestion > Hmmmm. > > I think some people here are arguing from such false premises that > it'd be truly impossible to "win" either side of the debate in > FreeBSD's favor. > Not arguing, just stating my opinion, which was asked for, IIRC. > Sure, there are people who come to FreeBSD with highly unrealistic > expectations which are then shattered, causing grief both to them and > to the people they dump on. There are also developers with limited > time and journalists doing press evaluations who can't spend all day > learning how to install FreeBSD. These are valid data points on both > sides of the "easy of use, ease of installation" argument and since > you can't please both sides, the best you can do is please yourself. > I guess my point is that there are a lot of things that we could be working on. The question then becomes, what should we work on? This is a volunteer project, and everyone who helps out, whether on the doc project, on the -questions mailing list, or writing kernel code does this out of their own generosity. Keeping that in mind, I don't think that anyone is in a position to really tell a volunteer what to do. You take what you can get, and let people contribute where their strengths are. I guess I was looking deeper at the question than just, "Should we alter the webpage to make it easier for people to get to the installation instructions?" I started thinking about what direction the SS FreeBSD heading. Are we ready to try and make FreeBSD available to the masses? Do we have the support infrastructure in place? Personally, I don't know if we do. To bring up an old topic that has been kicked around for at least a year or two, and possibly longer, let's use the "graphical installer" as an example. We have talked about having a GUI installer for a long time, but that's all that it's ever been. Talk. If ease of use has become a priority, I guess I would like to know about it. That's all. Personally, I would rather not redirect effort from the current projects to "ease of use" issues. From my standpoint as a user, I don't really care if the media knows what FreeBSD is and I don't care if my 95 year old deaf and blind Grandma can't install it. I am anxious to have a 5.0-STABLE machine, though. I've got a bunch of SMP boxes here that are just crying for it. Sorry if I read more into the question than was there. Josh > I obviously can't speak for what pleases all of you, but some of the > things which please me are those which represent the very best > examples of their art. A virtual memory subsystem is an intricate and > non-trivial piece of technology which is best evaluated on its > performance and elegance of design, even though that might not be > immediately comprehensible at a glance. A web page which serves as > the general public "portal" for FreeBSD, on the other hand, should be > evaluated on ease of comprehension and sheer usefulness for the > greatest percentage of its viewing public. It would obviously be > foolish to judge one objective by the standards of the other, yet I > see that kind of thing all the time. > > We need to simply do the best job we can in *every* category and > assume that any problems which might arise as a consequence of doing > too good a job can and will be dealt with when the time comes. If we > do a bad job at something, it's still a bad job no matter what the > justification and we'll never know just how much better we would have > done had it been done properly. > > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 20:52: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A0E9E37B65D for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from roc-24-161-70-254.rochester.rr.com (HELO halstead007) (24.161.70.254) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 04:51:58 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <095a01c0970a$de975260$0601a8c0@halstead007> From: "James and Amanda" To: Subject: Typo in guide to dungeons of doom Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:50:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seems like it has taken 6 years for somebody to read this document. Guess it is a good thing I showed my brother how to play ;P ~James Here is a patch: Index: rogue.me =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/games/rogue/USD.doc/rogue.me,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -r1.1.1.1 rogue.me --- rogue.me 1994/09/04 04:03:16 1.1.1.1 +++ rogue.me 2001/02/15 03:16:53 @@ -612,7 +612,7 @@ .pp Potions are labeled by the color of the liquid inside the flask. They disappear after being quaffed. -The command to use a scroll is +The command to quaff a potion is .Cs q (quaff). .sh 2 "Staves and Wands" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Feb 14 23:50:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD2337B4EC for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAAC66ACB2; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:20:25 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:20:25 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: James and Amanda Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Typo in guide to dungeons of doom Message-ID: <20010215182025.M57259@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200102150748.f1F7mTK65252@freefall.freebsd.org> <095a01c0970a$de975260$0601a8c0@halstead007> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <095a01c0970a$de975260$0601a8c0@halstead007>; from jhar2gthr@yahoo.com on Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 11:50:49PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 14 February 2001 at 23:50:49 -0500, James and Amanda wrote: > Seems like it has taken 6 years for somebody to read this > document. Guess it is a good thing I showed my brother how to play I think we should have a prize for the longest-standing bug. This file was unchanged since it was imported from 4.4BSD, nearly 7 years ago. It's fixed now: On Wednesday, 14 February 2001 at 23:48:29 -0800, Greg Lehey wrote: > grog 2001/02/14 23:48:29 PST > > Modified files: > games/rogue/USD.doc rogue.me > Log: > Correct typo. > > Submitted by: "James and Amanda" (well, ~James, anyway). > > Of necessity add $FreeBSD$. > > Required by: Precommit checks. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.2 +2 -1 src/games/rogue/USD.doc/rogue.me Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 4:32:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from host2.successfulhosting.com (host2.successfulhosting.com [209.239.41.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B144437B401 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 04:32:18 -0800 (PST) To: From: "Travel" Subject: Save money on International Hotel expenses Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:48:29 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20010215123218.B144437B401@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you travel to Germany, Austria or Switzerland we can help you save money on your hotel expenses. 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Please check out our sites:- http://www.ClickGermany.com http://www.ClickAustria.com http://www.ClickSwitzerland.com We do apologise if you have received this message in error, please use the following e-mail to unsubscribe: to_unsubscribe@email.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 5: 4:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axp5.physik.fu-berlin.de (axp5.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.34.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF0B37B491 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 05:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from garfield.physik.fu-berlin.de (garfield.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.32.188]) by axp5.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11546 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:04:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (stanciu@localhost) by garfield.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1FD4gd05265 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:04:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stanciu@physik.fu-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: garfield.physik.fu-berlin.de: stanciu owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:04:41 +0100 (CET) From: Dacian Stanciu To: Subject: documentation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I wnat to write a documentation about how to format a floppy disk under freebsd, because yesterday, I had a small problem, accidentaly I have erased spwd.db WICH IS BAD, and the only solution was that I have to copy from another machine that file! - All ok - but then camed the problem how to format a floppy under freebsd. I sayd to myself that Internet is near me and somebody have done this and docummented already. Well for my surprise there's no such documentation, or maybe on that stress i did not looked in the right place. OK I sayd - IRC wil help. - Nope again - no-one know how to do that! I have find fdformat - so I've use-it - BUT! when I've tryed to mount the floppy - I got an err.! The man page from fdformat says: " Note that fdformat does only perform low-level formatting. In case you wish to create a file system on the medium, see the commands newfs(8)..." ok but there's another enoying end! The man pages from newfs says: " -T disktype For backward compatibility and for mount_mfs. " Nice - Huh? - well at least one example should be there, on disk type. Somehow I did not remember how I've picked a look on /etc/disktab, and there it was wat I want! So. - I belive that many XBSD sys-admin's had at least 1 problem and need a native UFS disk, not an MS_DOS one! With Your permission I wil gladely write a small howto on how to format a removable disk. Thank You Dacian Stanciu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 7:26: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 624B937B65D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from roc-24-161-70-254.rochester.rr.com (HELO halstead007) (24.161.70.254) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 15:26:01 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <002a01c09763$730f1a60$0601a8c0@halstead007> From: "James and Amanda" To: "Greg Lehey" Cc: References: <200102150748.f1F7mTK65252@freefall.freebsd.org> <095a01c0970a$de975260$0601a8c0@halstead007> <20010215182025.M57259@wantadilla.lemis.com> Subject: Re: Typo in guide to dungeons of doom Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:24:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ::Takes a bow:: So glad to be of service ;P ~James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lehey" To: "James and Amanda" Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:50 AM Subject: Re: Typo in guide to dungeons of doom > On Wednesday, 14 February 2001 at 23:50:49 -0500, James and Amanda wrote: > > Seems like it has taken 6 years for somebody to read this > > document. Guess it is a good thing I showed my brother how to play > > I think we should have a prize for the longest-standing bug. This > file was unchanged since it was imported from 4.4BSD, nearly 7 years > ago. It's fixed now: > > On Wednesday, 14 February 2001 at 23:48:29 -0800, Greg Lehey wrote: > > grog 2001/02/14 23:48:29 PST > > > > Modified files: > > games/rogue/USD.doc rogue.me > > Log: > > Correct typo. > > > > Submitted by: "James and Amanda" (well, ~James, anyway). > > > > Of necessity add $FreeBSD$. > > > > Required by: Precommit checks. > > > > Revision Changes Path > > 1.2 +2 -1 src/games/rogue/USD.doc/rogue.me > > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 7:44:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f210.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F4F37B401; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:44:30 -0800 Received: from 24.50.186.158 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:44:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.50.186.158] From: "Nader Turki" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:44:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2001 15:44:30.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F8445B0:01C09766] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, I'm using FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE. Few days ago I couldn't telnet/ssh to my machine so I called the ISP and ask them to reboot the machine 'cause I could ping it. The said that there was a message saying "syncing disks". I think the system was crashed and the only thing i can find in logs is: Feb 14 07:25:00 access /kernel: pid 42167 (cron), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Feb 14 07:25:04 access syslogd: /dev/console: Too many open files in system: Too many open files in system Feb 14 07:25:04 access /kernel: file: table is full Feb 14 07:25:04 access syslogd: /var/run/utmp: Too many open files in system Feb 14 07:25:04 access syslogd: /var/run/utmp: Too many open files in system Feb 14 07:25:04 access /kernel: file: table is full Feb 14 07:25:04 access syslogd: /var/run/utmp: Too many open files in system Feb 14 07:25:04 access last message repeated 3 times Feb 14 07:25:04 access /kernel: file: table is full Feb 14 07:25:04 access syslogd: /var/run/utmp: Too many open files in system Feb 14 07:25:04 access last message repeated 3 times Feb 14 07:25:04 access /kernel: file: table is full Feb 14 07:25:42 access last message repeated 5693 times Feb 14 07:26:05 access last message repeated 23 times Feb 14 07:36:15 access last message repeated 28 times Feb 14 07:44:53 access last message repeated 13532 times Feb 14 07:54:52 access last message repeated 1922 times And the system rebooted Feb 14 16:29:50 access /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Feb 14 16:29:50 access /kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Feb 14 16:29:50 access /kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Feb 14 16:29:50 access /kernel: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jan 18 01:43:38 EST 2001 Thank you, Nader _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 11:55:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5278D37B4EC for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (arr@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f1FJtYk45351 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:55:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:55:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew R. Reiter" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD.org search page Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, Not sure if this falls within the realm of -doc, but thought I'd try anyway. I was watching some posts on -hackers and realized a bunch of these answers regarding some aspects of FreeBSD would be answered if they just searched the daemonnews.org site. It would be pretty cool if we could have a daemonnews search option on the FreeBSD.org site. Is this something that's already being done? Andrew *-------------................................................. | Andrew R. Reiter | arr@fledge.watson.org | "It requires a very unusual mind | to undertake the analysis of the obvious" -- A.N. Whitehead To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 12: 6:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mighty.grot.org (mighty.grot.org [216.15.97.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E84837B699 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by mighty.grot.org (Postfix, from userid 515) id 351D35D49; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:06:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:06:44 -0800 From: "R.P. Aditya" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: file location moved... Message-ID: <20010215120643.A66650@mighty.grot.org> Reply-To: "R.P. Aditya" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://more.grot.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x6405D8D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In: /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/internals-vm.html the pointer to: /usr/src/contrib/sys/softupdates/README should be updated to: /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.softupdates I believe...also, now that option SOFTUPDATES is set in the 4.2 GENERIC kernel, it might be advisable to have a separate page in the handbook on how to turn on softupdates on a filesystem. No doubt, one FAQ will be how to turn it on the root filesystem...(I can't think of a better way than to boot with a floppy and turn it on) Thanks, Adi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 12:45:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spring.thepond.com (spring.thepond.com [209.122.157.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E2937B401 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:45:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (drunk@localhost) by spring.thepond.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00237; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:49:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bpeisenbraun@yahoo.com) X-Authentication-Warning: spring.thepond.com: drunk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Eisenbraun X-X-Sender: To: "R.P. Aditya" Cc: Subject: Re: file location moved... In-Reply-To: <20010215120643.A66650@mighty.grot.org> Message-ID: X-JZP-Disclaimer: "I'm the only one foolish enough to claim these opinions." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, R.P. Aditya wrote: > to turn on softupdates on a filesystem. No doubt, one FAQ will be how to turn > it on the root filesystem...(I can't think of a better way than to boot with a > floppy and turn it on) --in single user mode # mount /dev/da0s1a on / (ufs, local, read-only) # tunefs -n enable / tunefs: soft updates set tunefs: file system reloaded # mount -u / # mount /dev/da0s1a on / (ufs, local, read-only, soft-updates) I'm not sure that this is technically correct, but it has worked for me on multiple machines without any apparent problems. -ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 13:32:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018C737B401 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1FLW5250466 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@osd.bsdi.com) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:32:05 -0800 (PST) From: Murray Stokely To: Subject: Updated ThinkPad BIOS images to correct boot failure on FreeBSD (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a response from IBM about the Thinkpad BIOS issue. Our users pretty much found this out a week ago but now that we have something semi-official from IBM we might want to update the FAQ? - Murray ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:27:05 -0500 From: Keith Frechette To: murray@osd.bsdi.com Cc: mperry@linuxcare.com Subject: Updated ThinkPad BIOS images to correct boot failure on FreeBSD Murray, As I mentioned to you at LinuxWorld, ThinkPad has been working on updated BIOS images to correct the boot failure that occurs when FreeBSD is installed on some ThinkPad models. Please release the following information onto those FreeBSD discussion forums, mailing lists, and other resources that you feel are appropriate. If you have questions, feel free to call me or send me e-mail. When posting this information, feel free to site me as a source if it seems appropriate. ============================================================================== IBM has released updated BIOS images to correct a problem with using FreeBSD on several ThinkPad models. Problem description: On several models of IBM's A-series and T-series ThinkPad notebook computers, installing FreeBSD results in the system's inability to boot from any device. Cause of the problem: During system initialization, the BIOS searches the hard disk for a FAT file system containing a hibernation file (a.k.a. suspend-to-disk file). On some systems, the BIOS erroneously masks off numerous upper bits when checking the partition ID, which results in the BIOS mistakenly determining that the FreeBSD partition is a FAT partition. The BIOS then appears to hang as it tries to parse the FreeBSD file system as if it were a FAT file system. The fix: The corresponding BIOS images have been updated such that the BIOS only masks off the "hidden" bit when checking the partition ID. Updated BIOS images: The following BIOS image releases incorporate the fix. T20: IYET49WW or later T21: KZET22WW or later A20p: IVET62WW or later A20m: IWET54WW or later A21p: KYET27WW or later A21m: KXET24WW or later A21e: KUET30WW (soon to be released) ============================================================================== -- Keith Keith Frechette Linux Development Lead, Mobile Computing Options and Software Development IBM Research Triangle Park, North Carolina kfrechet@us.ibm.com / 919-543-3761 / TieLine:441-3761 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 16:20: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CA637B65D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1G0K1W02418; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mail.monkeys.com (236.dsl9226.rcsis.com [63.92.26.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF47B37B491 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:15:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rfg@localhost) by mail.monkeys.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1G0FII15200; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:15:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102160015.f1G0FII15200@mail.monkeys.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:15:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Reply-To: rfg@monkeys.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25124: No man pages for quota.user(5) and/or quota.group(5) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25124 >Category: docs >Synopsis: No man pages for quota.user(5) and/or quota.group(5) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Feb 15 16:20:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ronald F. Guilmette >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Infinite Monkeys & Co. >Environment: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 >Description: The quotacheck(8) man page refers to two magical files, i.e. "quota.user" and "quota.group" but I have been unable to find any man pages that describe the exact contents/formal/layout of these magical files. Shouldn't there exist a quota.user(5) man page and a quota.group(5) man page, specifying the format of these files? >How-To-Repeat: man 8 quotacheck >Fix: None known at the moment. I guess that I have to turn on quotas on one of my filesystems and then try to `cat' or `od' these files and try to figure out for myself what's in them, and how that info is laid out. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 18:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19B737B67D for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1G2e1018834; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A01137B491 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA38582; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:34:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200102160234.SAA38582@cfcl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 18:34:22 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25126: minor nits in whatis(1) command Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25126 >Category: docs >Synopsis: minor nits in whatis(1) command >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Feb 15 18:40:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD cfcl.com 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: Actually, I'm not sure if this is a doc-bug or a sw-bug; it concerns bugs in the documentation support software. Anyway, here are the nits: * A comment in apropos.sh contains the misspelled word "locailzed"; it should read "localized". * The "test" operator can be a bit dangerous (e.g., if a newbie writes a script named "test" and has it call "apropos", which calls "test, ...). * In its use as "whatis", apropos formats the first line of the output differently than the following lines. Specifically, it leaves out all but one of the spaces that precede the dash in the first line. >How-To-Repeat: The last problem listed above can be exercized by % whatis whatis >Fix: In /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/man/apropos/apropos.sh: # Check for locailzed manpage subdirectories --- # Check for localized manpage subdirectories if test -z "$line" -a ! -z "$line2"; then --- if [ -z "$line" -a ! -z "$line2" ]; then ( printf -- "$line2"; echo $line; cat ) | $PAGER --- ( printf -- "$line2"; echo "$line"; cat ) | $PAGER >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 21:27:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF13137B401 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from kensho ([65.66.22.26]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0G8U00AH647GYW@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:21:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:24:14 -0600 From: sesshin Subject: newbie frustration To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <002501c097d8$b3ca8ce0$b648fea9@kensho> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greets- Perhaps I'm brain dead and am missing the obvious but thangs seem to me somewhat non-intuitive. I keep seeing ref to boot images for floopies for boxes whose bios does not support cd boot but in all my flailing I can't seem to locate where these files are to dl them. How about a link in the various docs to the site that has the latest stable ver for boot images, or at least a link to the page that has links to the ftp sites. Would make it much easier for ppl like me to find. If you could tell me where to get these suckers I would appreciate it. In all the destructions I've read on the site about ftp, mirror sites, latest ver needing multiple floopies, errata refs, and faqs I have yet to see a url. Please end my suffering and help me. I have come to the conclusion that confusion is more than a state of mind. _rich_ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Feb 15 22:47:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.infoserve.com.tw (infoserve.com.tw [210.62.129.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8DE37B401 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from shawnpc (c19.h210244159.is.net.tw [210.244.159.19]) by mail.infoserve.com.tw (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f1G6leK09605 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:47:44 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <00e401c097e4$62d2e560$139ff4d2@isvpn.net> From: "Shawn" To: Subject: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:47:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C09827.6DD20200" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C09827.6DD20200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have two error message, I don't know what's mean,how to fix these = problem. vr0: watchdog timeout ping: sendto: No buffer space available =20 have another thing. is..... this problem .... my freebsd server auto reboot by itselt. ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C09827.6DD20200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01C09827.6DD20200-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 1:40: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA5C37B4EC for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1G9e1777943; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from relay.perceval.net (relay.perceval.net [194.183.224.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D03337B4EC for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from hercule.perceval.be (hercule.perceval.be [194.183.229.151]) by relay.perceval.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1G9UN229845 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:30:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from gwelr@localhost) by hercule.perceval.be (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1G9URw69246; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:30:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gwelr) Message-Id: <200102160930.f1G9URw69246@hercule.perceval.be> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:30:27 +0100 (CET) From: Gregoire Welraeds Reply-To: Gregoire Welraeds To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25134: Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25134 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Feb 16 01:40:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gregoire Welraeds >Release: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Perceval Technologies Belgium >Environment: System: FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE i386 Architecure: AMD K-6-2/333 Mhz >Description: In the kernel 4.1.1 LINT file, users can find the following help for the USER_LDT option: # Allow user-mode programs to manipulate their local descriptor tables. # This option is required for the WINE Windows(tm) emulator, and is # not used by anything else (that we know of). # but aviplay from the current port of avifile also needs this option to be set. This port version does not requires Wine to installed. >How-To-Repeat: See LINT file for 4.1.1 kernel configuration in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 7:38:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (chfdns01.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A9037B491 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.35 2001/02/12 09:03:45 smothers Exp $) with ESMTP id PAA00988; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:38:09 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA12979; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:38:08 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id KAA13593; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:38:08 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14989.18782.871483.55900@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:38:06 -0700 (MST) To: sesshin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newbie frustration In-Reply-To: <002501c097d8$b3ca8ce0$b648fea9@kensho> References: <002501c097d8$b3ca8ce0$b648fea9@kensho> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Thursday, February 15, sesshin wrote: ] > Greets- > Perhaps I'm brain dead and am missing the obvious but thangs seem to me > somewhat non-intuitive. I keep seeing ref to boot images for floopies for > boxes whose bios does not support cd boot but in all my flailing I can't > seem to locate where these files are to dl them. How about a link in the ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.2-RELEASE/ that will point you to the right location. > various docs to the site that has the latest stable ver for boot images, or > at least a link to the page that has links to the ftp sites. Would make it yes, this has come up in the past few days. I think people are taking steps to help out in this area. -jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 8:48:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.raditex.se (mail.raditex.se [192.5.36.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E6137B4EC; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf.Raditex.se (gandalf.raditex.se [192.5.36.18]) by ns.raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA74278; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:48:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) Received: from frodo.sickla.raditex.se (frodo.sickla.raditex.se [192.168.37.9]) by gandalf.Raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA73499; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:48:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) Received: (from kaj@localhost) by frodo.sickla.raditex.se (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f1GGmHi72686; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:48:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) X-Authentication-Warning: frodo.sickla.raditex.se: kaj set sender to kaj@raditex.se using -f To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Reynolds~ , Beau , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Documentation References: <14966.58186.247528.426703@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010131013258.A12527@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <84elx2o894.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> <20010213192202.A33970@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> From: Rasmus Kaj Cc: Rasmus Kaj Organization: Raditex AB - http://Raditex.se/ X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Date: 16 Feb 2001 17:48:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Nik Clayton's message of "Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:22:02 +0000" Message-ID: <84ofw2o9pq.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Capitol Reef) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "NC" == Nik Clayton writes: NC> On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:30:47PM +0100, Rasmus Kaj wrote: >> So I think the word "Copyright" could be a link to the rest of the >> legal stuff, which could reside either at the bottom of the frontpage >> or on its own page. NC> Done. Wow, that was fast (especially considering your visit to Stockholm just now). And it looks just as I meant, but unfortunatley the actual link doesn't work. Maybe the filname (which looks like it comes from an autoid) just isn't included in the install target? -- Rasmus Kaj ------------------------ rasmus@kaj.se - http://Raditex.se/~kaj/ \ Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are \----------------------------------------------------- http://Raditex.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 9: 3:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from psychotic.aberrant.org (psychotic.aberrant.org [64.81.134.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E6437B491 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from seth@localhost) by psychotic.aberrant.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA75149 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:03:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from seth) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:03:51 -0500 From: Seth To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BOOTING instructions Message-ID: <20010216120351.A75122@psychotic.aberrant.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All - If I were to summarize the options for STARTING the sysinstall process from a system that did not currently have FreeBSD on it, would it be fair to say that there are two methods as follows? - via a bootable CD (assuming the PC supports this) - via kern.flp / mfsroot.flp (or the single 2.88MB disk image) I don't want to get into the source media choices just yet, but I just wanted to make sure that I've covered the initial booting options. If there are other methods, are they (a) recommended, (b) commonly used? Regardless of the answers to those questions, I'd like to include them, but I want to highlight the scenarios that most users will be addressing. Thanks for any input, Seth. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 10: 0:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4F837B65D for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1GI00139009; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:00:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from goose.home.automagic.org (host-34.automagic.org [207.61.141.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B60137B4EC for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 57503 invoked by uid 100); 16 Feb 2001 17:55:51 -0000 Message-Id: <20010216175551.57502.qmail@goose.home.automagic.org> Date: 16 Feb 2001 17:55:51 -0000 From: jabley@automagic.org Reply-To: jabley@automagic.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25142: minor doc change (my e-mail address changed some time ago) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25142 >Category: docs >Synopsis: my e-mail address is out of date in the list of additional contributors >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Feb 16 10:00:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joe Abley >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: none >Environment: N/A >Description: My e-mail address is not jabley@clear.co.nz any more. That bounces. I am jabley@automagic.org. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: diff -u -r doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml doc.new/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml Wed Feb 14 16:27:26 2001 +++ doc.new/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml Fri Feb 16 12:52:39 2001 @@ -3088,7 +3088,7 @@ - Joe Abley jabley@clear.co.nz + Joe Abley jabley@automagic.org diff -u -r doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml doc.new/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml --- doc/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml Wed Nov 10 16:28:43 1999 +++ doc.new/fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml Fri Feb 16 12:52:50 2001 @@ -2971,7 +2971,7 @@ - Joe Abley jabley@clear.co.nz + Joe Abley jabley@automagic.org diff -u -r doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml doc.new/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml --- doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml Sun Feb 11 06:09:04 2001 +++ doc.new/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/contrib/chapter.sgml Fri Feb 16 12:52:57 2001 @@ -3260,7 +3260,7 @@ - Joe Abley jabley@clear.co.nz + Joe Abley jabley@automagic.org >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 13: 6:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D21A37B67D for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1GL6KH98374; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:06:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Seth Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BOOTING instructions In-Reply-To: Message from Seth of "Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:03:51 EST." <20010216120351.A75122@psychotic.aberrant.org> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:06:20 -0800 Message-ID: <98370.982357580@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > All - > > If I were to summarize the options for STARTING the sysinstall process from > a system that did not currently have FreeBSD on it, would it be fair to say > that there are two methods as follows? > > - via a bootable CD (assuming the PC supports this) > - via kern.flp / mfsroot.flp (or the single 2.88MB disk image) I wouldn't even bother mentioning the 2.88MB disk image since 2.88MB disks are rare as heck. Otherwise, yes, this is a good "most common case" list. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 17: 1:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (212-73-47-182.red-acceso.airtel.net [212.73.47.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A5C37B4EC for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1GNmkk08007; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:48:46 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:48:45 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated ThinkPad BIOS images to correct boot failure on FreeBSD (fwd) Message-ID: <20010216234845.A7941@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from murray@osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 01:32:05PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 01:32:05PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > This is a response from IBM about the Thinkpad BIOS issue. Our > users pretty much found this out a week ago but now that we have > something semi-official from IBM we might want to update the FAQ? Thanks Murray. I've put something in the FAQ, which, with a bit of luck, I'll remember to commit when I connect to send this message. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 18:31:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pollux.cse.Buffalo.EDU (pollux.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.35.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E1B37B401; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from patankar@localhost) by pollux.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f1H2Vh514094; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:31:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Anish A Patankar To: , , , , , , , , , , Subject: doubt about init process.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The init process on FreeBSD is a user-level process (as opposed to a kernel-level process) that, other than having been started by the kernel itself as part of system startup, reacts just like any other process on the system. However if you send init the SIGKILL signal, even as root, init does not die? Can you please tell me why this is so?? Thanks Anish. ============================================================================= Anish Patankar Graduate Teaching Assistant Computer Science and Engineering State University of New York at Buffalo Tel: O- (716) 645-3771 H- (716) 835-9951 ============================================================================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Feb 16 21:57:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web10906.mail.yahoo.com (web10906.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5801537B491 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:57:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20010217055754.86061.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.212.215.160] by web10906.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:57:54 PST Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 21:57:54 -0800 (PST) From: uday vangipurapu Subject: Hi To: doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Im a College Graduate interested in FreeBSD and just got your site on the Net. Can you please send me the Complete Document as Im finding it difficult to go one-by-one to each of the links and save theentire documentation. I appreciate your early response. regards Uday __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 0:56:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from giroc.albury.net.au (giroc.albury.NET.AU [203.15.244.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0774337B4EC for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 00:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nicks@localhost) by giroc.albury.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1H8u7d49203; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:56:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:56:07 +1100 From: Nick Slager To: uday vangipurapu Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi Message-ID: <20010217195607.A48099@albury.net> References: <20010217055754.86061.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010217055754.86061.qmail@web10906.mail.yahoo.com>; from vuday1@yahoo.com on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 09:57:54PM -0800 X-Homer: Whoohooooooo! Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake uday vangipurapu (vuday1@yahoo.com): > Can you please send me the Complete Document as Im > finding it difficult to go one-by-one to each of the > links and save theentire documentation. Which complete document do you mean? If you are looking for the FreeBSD Handbook or the FAQ, head to http://www.freebsd.org/ and click on `Handbook' or `FAQ' in the documentation section. At the top of each page there is a link to downloadable versions of each document in a variety of formats. This is also true for the documents listed in the `Tutorials' section. Nick -- Nick Slager | Quidquid latine dictum nicks@albury.net | sit, altum viditur. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 1:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A27937B491 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1H9A1l53406; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C213C37B503 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA57942; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200102170912.BAA57942@cfcl.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25164: makewhatis(1) seems to be fouling up Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25164 >Category: docs >Synopsis: makewhatis(1) seems to be fouling up >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Feb 17 01:10:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD cfcl.com 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: There is some broken text in /usr/share/man/whatis. As I understand it, this text is processed out of the man/man* files by makewhatis(1). As the (nroffed form of the) man page in question appears to be OK, the program may be NG. Of course, it could also be that the manual page's troff code is broken in a way that gets by man(1), but offends makewhatis(1). Too deep for me... >How-To-Repeat: % grep '^ed(1)' /usr/share/man/w* ed(1), -(1) - ed, red text editor % zcat /usr/share/man/cat1/ed.1.gz | head -5 ED(1) FreeBSD General Commands Manual ED(1) NAME ed, red - text editor >Fix: Either fix all the man pages that use the construction in question or fix makewhatis(1) to accept it... >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 7: 2:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB2F37B491 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from random.ncl.ac.uk (postfix@random.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.95.2]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1HF2bK11682 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:02:37 GMT Received: by random.ncl.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EEE045585; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:02:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by random.ncl.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53EC556F for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:02:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:02:30 +0000 (GMT) From: sean@shortestpath.org X-Sender: sean@random.ncl.ac.uk To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Obtaining the FreeBSD handbook in non-HTML format Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Filter-Version: 2.0 (cheviot3) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, Is the documentation based at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/index.html available is PDF / PostScript? Thanks, -- Sean Kelly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 7: 7:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rapier.smartspace.co.za (rapier.smartspace.co.za [66.8.25.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB0D237B401 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 53751 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Feb 2001 15:07:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:07:33 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: sean@shortestpath.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Obtaining the FreeBSD handbook in non-HTML format Message-ID: <20010217170733.A53691@rapier.smartspace.co.za> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sean@shortestpath.org on Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 03:02:30PM +0000 Organization: Building Intelligence X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat 2001-02-17 (15:02), sean@shortestpath.org wrote: > Hi there, > > Is the documentation based at > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/index.html available is PDF / PostScript? Right at the top of the document, it says: ``It may also be downloaded in a variety of formats and compression options from the FreeBSD FTP server [1]or one of the numerous mirror sites.'' [1]: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 7:47:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [212.166.154.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B469337B65D for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1HCtiZ13815; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:55:44 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:55:44 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Dacian Stanciu Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: documentation Message-ID: <20010217125543.A13544@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from stanciu@physik.fu-berlin.de on Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 02:04:41PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 02:04:41PM +0100, Dacian Stanciu wrote: > I wnat to write a documentation about how to format a floppy disk under > freebsd, Is http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/formatting-media/ what you were thinking of? If so, and it's out or date, we'd certainly appreciate any updates you have. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 7:50: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9822E37B401 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1HFo4o86779; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 07:50:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102171550.f1HFo4o86779@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/25124: No man pages for quota.user(5) and/or quota.group(5) Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25124; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25124: No man pages for quota.user(5) and/or quota.group(5) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:41:15 +0000 On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:15:19PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > >Synopsis: No man pages for quota.user(5) and/or quota.group(5) > > The quotacheck(8) man page refers to two magical files, i.e. > "quota.user" and "quota.group" but I have been unable to find > any man pages that describe the exact contents/formal/layout of > these magical files. They are (I think) binary files. edquota(8) converts them in to a textual representation, lets you edit them, and converts them back. > Shouldn't there exist a quota.user(5) man page and a quota.group(5) > man page, specifying the format of these files? Probably not. What there probably should be is a quota.user(5) and quota.group(5) which explains that these are binary files, and should be edited by edquota(8). quotacheck(8) should probably mention that these files should be edited by edquota(8). Thoughts? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 8: 9: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from Iuz.mikestammer.com (iuz.mikestammer.com [64.2.228.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14FE37B401 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 08:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyr (tyr [64.2.228.238]) by Iuz.mikestammer.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f1HG8pW06002 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:08:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stammer@mikestammer.com) Message-ID: <000801c098fc$0d3c9ab0$eee40240@mikestammer.com> From: "Mike Stammer" To: Subject: This link is dead and I think I need this file! Help! Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:09:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C098C9.BFFD4970" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C098C9.BFFD4970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any idea where it is on the server? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4-stable/Latest/40u= pgrade.tgz =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C098C9.BFFD4970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any idea where it is on the = server?
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C098C9.BFFD4970-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 9:50: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D881D37B4EC for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f1HHo2800460; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:50:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102171750.f1HHo2800460@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Subject: Re: docs/25124: No man pages for quota.user(5) and/or quota.group(5) Reply-To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25124; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" To: Nik Clayton Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25124: No man pages for quota.user(5) and/or quota.group(5) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:40:58 -0800 In message <20010217144115.C13544@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>, you wrote: >On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:15:19PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> >Synopsis: No man pages for quota.user(5) and/or quota.group(5) >> >> The quotacheck(8) man page refers to two magical files, i.e. >> "quota.user" and "quota.group" but I have been unable to find >> any man pages that describe the exact contents/formal/layout of >> these magical files. > >They are (I think) binary files. Yes. So I discovered. >edquota(8) converts them in to a >textual representation, lets you edit them, and converts them back. Yep. I figured that part out too. >> Shouldn't there exist a quota.user(5) man page and a quota.group(5) >> man page, specifying the format of these files? > >Probably not. What there probably should be is a quota.user(5) and >quota.group(5) which explains that these are binary files, and should be >edited by edquota(8). quotacheck(8) should probably mention that these >files should be edited by edquota(8). > >Thoughts? Your suggestion sounds like the best way to go. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 14:53:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dungeon.cirr.com (chert106.august.net [216.87.155.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E456137B491 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 14:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from WIZARD (chert108.august.net [216.87.155.108]) by dungeon.cirr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA10604 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:04:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chert@dungeon.cirr.com) From: "Chert Pellett" To: Subject: I'm looking at the docs for rebuilding a kernel.. Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:51:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, OS: 4.2 RELEASE. Min. Install, then 'Src/Sys' installed from the Dist files... I'm reading the docs on building a new kernel.. I cp'd GENERIC to FIRE, edited out a few drivers that I was 99.999% sure that I wasn't using.. Everything works, up to the point where I tell it to make buildkernel KERNEL=FIRE Then it says that it can't buildkernel - because, like you said just above, the only file in /usr/src is 'sys'.. No makefile... Ok, so I fetched the /usr/src/Mak* from ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-Stable/src/ (or something like that) That left me with the make complaining that /usr/obj/..../FIRE not existing.. Well, /usr/obj didn't have anything in it.. So, I made all those directories... The build still failed... I guess I need to just wipe out the OS, start over, and select 'Kernel developer'.... At least that way, I'll have a chance of building a Kernel.. -Chert PS: At the start of the page on building a kernel, you have the word 'been' repeated: "Note: If there is not a /usr/src/sys directory on your system, then the kernel source has not been been installed" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Feb 17 17: 9:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076D137B65D for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 17:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C4D6F594FD; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:09:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:09:50 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Chert Pellett Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: I'm looking at the docs for rebuilding a kernel.. Message-ID: <20010217190950.C85867@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chert@dungeon.cirr.com on Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 04:51:20PM -0600 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 04:51:20PM -0600, Chert Pellett scribbled: Please read src/UPDATING :) make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message