From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 1:57:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0F337B405; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 01:57:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6M8vX902957; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 03:57:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 03:57:33 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: Greg Lehey , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ... Message-ID: <20010722035733.A1683@mppsystems.com> References: <200107101004.f6AA49e06877@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010711081534.C64441@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010711102212.B24098@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010711102212.B24098@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:22:12AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:22:12AM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 08:15:34AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Tuesday, 10 July 2001 at 3:04:09 -0700, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > ru 2001/07/10 03:04:09 PDT > > > > > > Modified files: > > > bin/cp cp.1 > > > bin/sync sync.8 [...] > > > Log: > > > mdoc(7) police: removed HISTORY info from the .Os call. > > > > Why? I find this information interesting. > > > Reason 4. > > This was asked for many times by various -doc guys, including Mike Pritchard > and Sheldon Hearn , IIRC. Last time > in the late of 2000, when I started to work on -mdocNG, which we currently > use. I agreed to it, never requested it. At the time I suggested that if all we are going to have is a plain ".Os" line in every man page with no information, then we should just remove ".Os" totally, since it it just taking up space and processing time. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 4:43: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F254437B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 04:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from vaio-note (wosch.home.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.146.145]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03436; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:41:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <003c01c112a3$21525e60$91929582@vaio-note> From: "Wolfram Schneider" To: "Rasputin" , Cc: Subject: Re: bugs in man.cgi? Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:40:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Looks like we have a bug in man.cgi (on www.freebsd.org, probably the >mirrors too but I don't use them.) >See >http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=intro&apropos=0&sektion= >9& manpath=FreeBSD+4.3-RELEASE&format=html > >(sorry for the wrap) > >I'm talking about > >"PROTOTYPES ANSI-C AND ALL THAT" in particular, >which pastes in here fine, but looks awful in a browser. > >Is this cgi script any where in /usr/src by default, or do >I need to get an extra collection >(apart from cvs-all and ports-all?) > >I'm happy to try fixing it, just can't find the source :) Hi Rasputin, you can download the source for man.cgi from the cgi script itself at http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi Open the 'FAQ' page and click on the source link .... simple, is'nt it? For historically reasons, the man.cgi script is maintained in a non-public separate CVS tree. -Wolfram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 5:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA9F37B405 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6MCA1F21514; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9B237B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6MC1AZ05073; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:01:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Message-Id: <200107221201.f6MC1AZ05073@mppsystems.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:01:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Pritchard Reply-To: mpp@mppsystems.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/29143: List of man pages that need to be written Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29143 >Category: docs >Synopsis: List of man pages that need to be written >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jul 22 05:10:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mike Pritchard >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD mail.mppsystems.com 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Mar 11 17:44:01 CST 2001 mpp@mail.mppsystems.com:/shared/obj/shared/src-current/sys/MAIL i386 >Description: Here is a list of man pages that need to be written. They are all currently referenced by existing man pages. These would make good tasks for someone looking to get into documentation, or learn more about kernel internals by writing the man pages. Here is the list (culled from PR# 26065): Current man page xref Missing man page ---------------------------------------------- kvm_nlist(3) kldsym(2) BUS_SETUP_INTR(9) BUS_TEARDOWN_INTR(9) VFS_UNMOUNT(9) vflush(9) VOP_LOOKUP(9) VOP_ABORTOP(9) boot(9) at_shutdown(9) boot(9) vfs_unmountall(9) cpu_switch(9) issignal(9) mi_switch(9) issignal(9) >How-To-Repeat: read one of the above man pages and try to locate the non-existing man page it references :-) >Fix: Write the missing man pages. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 5:21:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F375337B406; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010722122114.EUBV13241.amsmta06-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:21:14 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6MCEP518938; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:14:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:14:25 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Andrew Boothman Cc: Alexey Zelkin , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010722141425.Q79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B59BBEA.3060600@cream.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3B59BBEA.3060600@cream.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010721 19:37], Andrew Boothman (andrew@cream.org) wrote: >Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >>That is the issue. >> >>Is that document written for the end-user or for an administrator? > >But the end-user is the administrator of their box! ;-) Yes, but see below. >In my opinion, the documentation is written for people who are trying >to get things done, reguardless of they are trying to do it in a server >or desktop environment. After all, many of the tasks they have to >perform are the same anyway. And an inexperienced server administrator >needs exactly the same level of hand-holding and explanation as an >inexperienced end-user setting up their workstation for the first time. Configuring FreeBSD after an install will be the same (well, almost) for everybody. However, after that, the scope changes very much depending on what type of user you are writing for. I noticed that you talk about workstation. If an administrator is setting up a workstation he is not an administrator, but an end-user of the box. I am talking server administation here, which has a very, very different scope from an end-user, and a very different scope from a developer. You might say it is just semantics and wordplay, but in the end the expectations of the user -the person reading the documentation- will vary from what they need to accomplish with the operating system and cannot and should not be mixed. >Returning to the question of where the X installation chapter should >be, I believe it should be near the start as it is part of the process >of getting the system working, IMHO. And I guess we could add a comment >to the introduction reminding server administrators that they probably >don't need or want X at all. Sorry, but my system works perfectly without X. Murray, please clarify the scope of what the handbook you are working on actually is and who/which type of users it aims at. Nik, I am considering more and more to repocopy the handbook and make what Murray is working on (in awaiting his answer) the end-user handbook and the new copy an administrator's handbook. I think the latter will definately benifit those on the -isp list, let alone those who use FreeBSD for Internet backbone routing and all those nifty things. Maybe network backups, clustering. I doubt any normal user needs those. And I sincerely doubt that that needs to be in the (end-user) Handbook. Comments welcomed, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ For ever, brother, hail and farewell... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 5:44:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1F237B405; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6MChqP38611; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107221243.f6MChqP38611@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mpp@FreeBSD.org, mpp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/13020: Manpage capitalization Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Manpage capitalization Responsible-Changed-From-To: mpp->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: mpp Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 22 05:42:41 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll probably never have the time to address this, and we have been slowly working over time to improve this situation, so a number of the cases in the original PR have probably already been fixed. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=13020 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 7: 1:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8877C37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eccheadle@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 91734 invoked by alias); 22 Jul 2001 14:01:10 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 91727 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jul 2001 14:01:10 -0000 Received: from slkc6400gw1poolc84.slkc.uswest.net (HELO galatea) (63.226.102.84) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Jul 2001 14:01:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c112b6$ff419340$3300000a@echeadle.com> From: "Edward Cheadle" To: Subject: Installation of FreeBSD 4.3 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:02:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C11284.B43AA5D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C11284.B43AA5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just installed FreeBSD for the first time on a AMD 350 MHZ K6 PC. I = couldn't get RedHat 7.1 to install, so decided to try FreeBSD. It = installed and worked flawlessly. The amazing thing about it is that I = always thought X windows was slow-- not so with FreeBSD. KDE / FreeBSD = running on my 350 MHz K6 seems much more responsive and faster than my = 500 MHz machine running either SuSE 7.2 or RedHat 7.1. The installation seems more difficult than necessary. The Kernel = configuration did not list my 3Com Card in list of availible cards and = yet everything still works. I read the installation, document and it = says get rid of cards that you do not have in order to resolve = confilicts. But the list did not have my card. I selected and out of = luck it worked. Other than that the dialog boxes are not consistant as to when they = close or how you go backwards After a few trial and errors, I finally got everything right and when I = did , it is impressive. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C11284.B43AA5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just installed FreeBSD for the first = time on a=20 AMD 350 MHZ K6 PC.  I couldn't get RedHat 7.1 to install,=20 so decided to try FreeBSD. It installed and worked = flawlessly.  The=20 amazing thing about it is that I always thought X windows was slow-- not = so with FreeBSD.  KDE / FreeBSD running on my = 350 MHz=20  K6 seems much more responsive and faster than  my 500 = MHz=20 machine running either SuSE 7.2  or RedHat 7.1.
 
The installation seems more difficult = than=20 necessary.  The Kernel configuration did not list my 3Com Card in = list of=20 availible cards and yet everything still works. I read the = installation,=20 document and it says get rid of cards that you do not have in order to = resolve=20 confilicts. But the list did not have my card.  I selected and out = of luck=20 it worked.
 
Other than that the dialog boxes are = not consistant=20 as to when they close or how you go backwards
 
After a few trial and errors, I finally = got=20 everything right and when I did , it is = impressive.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C11284.B43AA5D0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 14:48:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.rambler.ru (mail3.rambler.ru [217.73.192.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32F5137B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vv40in@rambler.ru) Received: from 212.22.90.30 by rambler.ru with SMTP id AA10627 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:44:49 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <006d01c112f7$dfc905c0$2909fec0@vasa> From: "Vasili" To: Subject: quest Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:47:14 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2417.2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please, say me: 1/ where can I find docs on feebds tcp/ip stack (including kernel) 2/Has freebsd stack abilities to load & attach modules to particular layers and to process IO for particular sockets ? Vasili To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 14:57:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A10037B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6MLvlF48806 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6MLvlo85283 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107222157.f6MLvlo85283@harmony.village.org> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Suggested update to motd Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:57:47 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is closer to reality, and adds a plug for the security advisory list to the mix. Comments? Index: motd =================================================================== RCS file: /home/imp/FreeBSD/CVS/src/etc/motd,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.15 motd --- motd 2001/03/22 17:58:20 1.15 +++ motd 2001/07/22 21:55:55 @@ -4,9 +4,9 @@ Before seeking technical support, please use the following resources: -o Security advisories and updated errata information for all releases are - at http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/ - always consult the ERRATA section - for your release first as it's updated frequently. +o Security advisories and updated errata information for are at + http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/ in the ERRATA section by release. + Subscribe to freebsd-security-notifications@freebsd.org for advisories. o The Handbook and FAQ documents are at http://www.FreeBSD.org/ and, along with the mailing lists, can be searched by going to To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 15:16:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0912937B405 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reel@sympatico.ca) Received: from HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81416.qc.sympatico.ca ([64.229.236.81]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010722221609.CELP16844.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@HSE-QuebecCity-ppp81416.qc.sympatico.ca>; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:16:09 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:16:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Felix-Antoine Paradis X-X-Sender: To: Warner Losh Cc: Subject: Re: Suggested update to motd In-Reply-To: <200107222157.f6MLvlo85283@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: <20010722181357.P654-100000@idemnia.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Warner Losh wrote: > > This is closer to reality, and adds a plug for the security advisory > list to the mix. > > Comments? On the first added line, you got: "...errata information for "??" are at..." What is going between "for" and "are"? Is the "for" forgotten? > > Index: motd > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/imp/FreeBSD/CVS/src/etc/motd,v > retrieving revision 1.15 > diff -u -r1.15 motd > --- motd 2001/03/22 17:58:20 1.15 > +++ motd 2001/07/22 21:55:55 > @@ -4,9 +4,9 @@ > > Before seeking technical support, please use the following resources: > > -o Security advisories and updated errata information for all releases are > - at http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/ - always consult the ERRATA section > - for your release first as it's updated frequently. > +o Security advisories and updated errata information for are at > + http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/ in the ERRATA section by release. > + Subscribe to freebsd-security-notifications@freebsd.org for advisories. > > o The Handbook and FAQ documents are at http://www.FreeBSD.org/ and, > along with the mailing lists, can be searched by going to To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 16:44:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hex.databits.net (hex.databits.net [207.29.192.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 082C237B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petef@hex.databits.net) Received: (qmail 61206 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jul 2001 23:45:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:45:49 -0400 From: Pete Fritchman To: Warner Losh Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggested update to motd Message-ID: <20010722194549.A58304@databits.net> References: <200107222157.f6MLvlo85283@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107222157.f6MLvlo85283@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 03:57:47PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ++ 22/07/01 15:57 -0600 - Warner Losh: | + Subscribe to freebsd-security-notifications@freebsd.org for advisories. This is too vague, people won't know how to do this. (Just look at the archives of any list and you'll see people trying to subscribe). Maybe you could point them at www.freebsd.org/security/ and have instructions on a mailing list there? -pete -- Pete Fritchman Databits Network Services, Inc. finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 22:16:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2D937B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f6N5GTF16466; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:16:29 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:16:29 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Vasili Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quest Message-ID: <20010722221629.A13620@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <006d01c112f7$dfc905c0$2909fec0@vasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <006d01c112f7$dfc905c0$2909fec0@vasa>; from vv40in@rambler.ru on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 01:47:14AM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 01:47:14AM +0400, Vasili wrote: > say me: > 1/ where can I find docs on feebds tcp/ip stack (including kernel) Your best bet here is "TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 2: The Implementation" by Gary R. Wright and W. Richard Stevens (ISBN:020163354X). It's not entierly accurate anymore since it refrences BSD 4.4-lite which is more then 5 years old, but it's not too bad. > 2/Has freebsd stack abilities to load & attach modules to particular laye= rs and to process > IO for particular sockets ? I don't think so, but I'm not really sure I understand what you are asking. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7W7MsXY6L6fI4GtQRAghnAKDUe/1gCal4xAaeBTTsGffqsYjoZgCg0cyT FrOsfRD7CF15qgEEjhafcbE= =dU7K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 22:20:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ren-4.cais.net (ren-4.cais.net [205.252.14.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C0E37B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk ([63.219.39.37]) by ren-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6N5KIN25126 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6LCigm00361; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:44:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:44:42 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: emoticons in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010721134442.A288@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010721022552.A61117@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@osd.bsdi.com on Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 02:25:52AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 02:25:52AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > Does anyone mind if Chern and I add emoticons to our list of cleanup > items? It appears that at least one reviewer was put off by our > liberal use of them : Nuke them. You should find most of them marked with or similar, because it's something I noticed when I was doing the DocBook conversion a few years back. At one point I was considering turning them in to entities, so you'd write &smiley; or similar, and then the simley entity would either be ":-)" or "" depending on personal preference. But I think that's overkill. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtZeTkACgkQk6gHZCw343VnswCfTsnSVSF2Mk/34/am9RMdq+em ZKoAniTL7RAhnNEIJrC+NPkXjU3MpgHj =z5qC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 22:20:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ren-4.cais.net (ren-4.cais.net [205.252.14.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C4D37B409 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk ([63.219.39.37]) by ren-4.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6N5KJN25129 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6LCwDx00390; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:58:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:58:13 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Andreasen?= Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD question Message-ID: <20010721135813.B288@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <000701c11172$81b744a0$0701a8c0@workgroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9zSXsLTf0vkW971A" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000701c11172$81b744a0$0701a8c0@workgroup>; from sra@post5.tele.dk on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:20:03PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --9zSXsLTf0vkW971A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:20:03PM -0700, S=F8ren Andreasen wrote: > I can't find any info on how to remove some of the > programs included in the FreeBSD installation process! >=20 > I'm a BSD newbie! and need to remove 'BIND / named', > because I am going to install the newest version directly > from source code. Create an /etc/make.conf that has "NO_BIND=3Dtrue" in it. This will stop BIND from being built when you run "make world". Then build and install BIND, presumably installing it somewhere under /usr/local/sbin. Then edit /etc/rc.conf to set named_program=3D/usr/local/sbin/named or similar. > I can't use the ports system, because I need to configure it with > LDAP support... You can still use the ports system. Take a look in ports/net/bind9/Makefile (assuming you want bind9, not bind8 -- if you do want bind8 the procedure will be similar). As you can see, it will use GNU Configure to do the configuration of the program. And there's a variable, CONFIGURE_ARGS, which contains the arguments that will be passed to "configure". The procedure is something like this: # cd /usr/ports/net/bind9 # make patch This will download, extract, and patch the source code for you. It will not run "configure". The source code will have been extracted in to a directory hierarchy under work/ in the current directory. Take a look in there for the installation documentation. It will tell you to run "configure" and pass it arguments depending on what you want to do. [ I don't have the source code for bind9 to hand -- everything that follows from this point is hypothetical, and you will need to compare it against the bind documentation ] Suppose that the documentation says that in order to enable LDAP support you must include "--enable-ldap" on the command line to configure. You can now edit /usr/ports/net/bind9/Makefile, and change the CONFIGURE_ARGS variable so that it includes "--enable-ldap" on the command line. Then you can run "make" and "make install" as normal. Bind will be configured, installed, and registered in /var/db/pkg like every other application you install. If you do this, and want to contribute back to FreeBSD, can I suggest that you take a little extra time and adjust the Makefile so that it contains something like .if defined(WITH_LDAP) CONFIGURE_ARGS+=3D LIB_DEPENDS=3D .endif where are the additional arguments that need to be passed to configure, and are any dependencies on the LDAP libraries that bind needs when configured with LDAP support. You should then send these changes to FreeBSD's bind9 maintainer, dougb@freebsd.org, so that other people can benefit as well. Hope that helps, N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --9zSXsLTf0vkW971A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtZfGQACgkQk6gHZCw343VILgCdFupWOl+xIjm0BB3YywrLPe0l 3c4AoJMkQ1HQ7aVpVkYHETPLiCLHR7Oe =NE/i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9zSXsLTf0vkW971A-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 22 23: 2: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9A837B401; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6N61ZK89187; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:01:35 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Andrew Boothman , Alexey Zelkin , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010722230135.A88988@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B59BBEA.3060600@cream.org> <20010722141425.Q79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010722141425.Q79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:14:25PM +0200 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:14:25PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Configuring FreeBSD after an install will be the same (well, almost) for > everybody. However, after that, the scope changes very much depending > on what type of user you are writing for. > > I noticed that you talk about workstation. If an administrator is > setting up a workstation he is not an administrator, but an end-user of > the box. > I am talking server administation here, which has a very, very different > scope from an end-user, and a very different scope from a developer. > > You might say it is just semantics and wordplay, but in the end the > expectations of the user -the person reading the documentation- will > vary from what they need to accomplish with the operating system and > cannot and should not be mixed. > > >Returning to the question of where the X installation chapter should > >be, I believe it should be near the start as it is part of the process > >of getting the system working, IMHO. And I guess we could add a comment > >to the introduction reminding server administrators that they probably > >don't need or want X at all. > > Sorry, but my system works perfectly without X. > > Murray, please clarify the scope of what the handbook you are working on > actually is and who/which type of users it aims at. I haven't quite gotten around to writing the section of Chapter 1 that will address exactly this question. The Handbook as it stands now has a fairly broad scope and I think that is fine as long as we are careful. We want to help users get it installed, setup X, configure a home network, run Internet servers, etc. Clearly the book is getting quite large and Nik and I have talked about splitting it up very soon after publication of the 2nd Edition. I think there is a lot of value in a unified 2nd Edition so I'd like to hold off for a couple of months until that happens. > Nik, I am considering more and more to repocopy the handbook and make > what Murray is working on (in awaiting his answer) the end-user handbook > and the new copy an administrator's handbook. > I think the latter will definately benifit those on the -isp list, let > alone those who use FreeBSD for Internet backbone routing and all those > nifty things. Maybe network backups, clustering. I doubt any normal > user needs those. And I sincerely doubt that that needs to be in the > (end-user) Handbook. I completely agree that this is the way we need to go. I just want to wait a couple of months before splitting up the document. I have a few more meaty sections I want to contribute and I don't think we've quite reached a "critical mass" for splitting the Handbook yet anyway, although we are certainly getting there. If you've really got an itch, then it might be better spent on developing docs.freebsd.org or some other place where we can actually display all of this documentation. Our current setup, with a single link for the Handbook in our navigation bar and the rest of the books thrown in with tutorials is less than ideal. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 1:26:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.rambler.ru (mail4.rambler.ru [217.73.192.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0B2837B405 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vv40in@rambler.ru) Received: from 212.22.90.56 by rambler.ru with SMTP id AA23274 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:22:09 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <000501c11350$fba090c0$2909fec0@vasa> From: "Vasili" To: "Brooks Davis" Cc: References: <006d01c112f7$dfc905c0$2909fec0@vasa> <20010722221629.A13620@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Subject: Re: quest Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:25:04 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2417.2000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has freebsd socket lib or no ? Where are sousers ? Vasilii To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 2:13:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta02-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DC337B401; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:13:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta02-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010723091257.KDUU10337.amsmta02-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:12:57 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6N9DPA28197; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:13:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:13:25 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Murray Stokely Cc: Andrew Boothman , Alexey Zelkin , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010723111324.V79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B59BBEA.3060600@cream.org> <20010722141425.Q79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010722230135.A88988@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010722230135.A88988@meow.osd.bsdi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010723 08:20], Murray Stokely (murray@osd.bsdi.com) wrote: >On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:14:25PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> Murray, please clarify the scope of what the handbook you are working >> on actually is and who/which type of users it aims at. > > I haven't quite gotten around to writing the section of Chapter 1 >that will address exactly this question. Scope should be the first. :) Without a proper scope you cannot write the rest of the document. :) >The Handbook as it stands now has a fairly broad scope and I think that >is fine as long as we are careful. *nod* >We want to help users get it installed, setup X, configure a home >network, run Internet servers, etc. Clearly the book is getting quite >large and Nik and I have talked about splitting it up very soon after >publication of the 2nd Edition. I think there is a lot of value in a >unified 2nd Edition so I'd like to hold off for a couple of months >until that happens. Sure no problem. Makes a lot of sense as well. >> Nik, I am considering more and more to repocopy the handbook and make >> what Murray is working on (in awaiting his answer) the end-user handbook >> and the new copy an administrator's handbook. >> I think the latter will definately benifit those on the -isp list, let >> alone those who use FreeBSD for Internet backbone routing and all those >> nifty things. Maybe network backups, clustering. I doubt any normal >> user needs those. And I sincerely doubt that that needs to be in the >> (end-user) Handbook. > > I completely agree that this is the way we need to go. I just want >to wait a couple of months before splitting up the document. I have a >few more meaty sections I want to contribute and I don't think we've >quite reached a "critical mass" for splitting the Handbook yet anyway, >although we are certainly getting there. Like I said above, no problem. I was not proposing to do it right now, since I know you and Chern are working on the new edition to be publicised. I was merely gathering information from you and the other regular contributors about the split. > If you've really got an itch, then it might be better spent on >developing docs.freebsd.org or some other place where we can actually >display all of this documentation. Our current setup, with a single >link for the Handbook in our navigation bar and the rest of the books >thrown in with tutorials is less than ideal. Oh, I have an itch alright and taking it out on www and the developer's handbook. :) I'll look at the navigation stuff. I'll also see how bad converting the webpages to real SGML will be. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Nothing yet from nothing ever came... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 2:36:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A082337B405; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:34:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6N9LOe82352; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:21:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:21:24 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Mike Pritchard Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ... Message-ID: <20010723122124.A79427@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200107101004.f6AA49e06877@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010711081534.C64441@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010711102212.B24098@sunbay.com> <20010722035733.A1683@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010722035733.A1683@mppsystems.com>; from mpp@mppsystems.com on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 03:57:33AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 03:57:33AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:22:12AM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 08:15:34AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 10 July 2001 at 3:04:09 -0700, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > > ru 2001/07/10 03:04:09 PDT > > > > > > > > Modified files: > > > > bin/cp cp.1 > > > > bin/sync sync.8 > [...] > > > > Log: > > > > mdoc(7) police: removed HISTORY info from the .Os call. > > > > > > Why? I find this information interesting. > > > > > Reason 4. > > > > This was asked for many times by various -doc guys, including Mike Pritchard > > and Sheldon Hearn , IIRC. Last time > > in the late of 2000, when I started to work on -mdocNG, which we currently > > use. > > I agreed to it, never requested it. At the time I suggested > that if all we are going to have is a plain ".Os" line in every man > page with no information, then we should just remove ".Os" totally, > since it it just taking up space and processing time. > Historically, a missing .Os call would result in an empty bottom left corner. With -mdocNG, as of this delta, : 2001-03-30 Ruslan Ermilov : : Remove .Ld from mdoc package; replace it with special handling of : `...'. : : * tmac/doc-common: Remove `Ld' register. : Uncomment `doc-volume-ds-*' strings. : Remove `doc-operating-system-default'. : (Os): Updated. : : * tmac/doc-syms (Ld): Removed. : * tmac/doc.tmac (doc-parse-args, doc-parse-arg-vector): Handle : `...' specially. : * NEWS: Updated. : : * tmac/groff_mdoc.man: Many fixes and updates. the .Os call is not (strictly speaking) required at all, so we may eventually remove it completely, yes. I think I will do this after NetBSD and OpenBSD upgrade to -mdocNG. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 6:12:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.tecnomen.ie (neptune.tecnomen.ie [193.120.120.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EC237B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from devnull@tecnomen.ie) Received: from daemon.tecnomen.ie ([194.42.62.239]) by apollo.tecnomen.ie with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 3GQ0X37S; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:07:11 +0100 Received: by daemon.tecnomen.ie (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7E3412EBB7; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:12:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:12:24 +0000 From: Sergey Lyubka To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: programmer's guide Message-ID: <20010723141224.D54696@daemon.tecnomen.ie> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi does anybody work on Debugging section in Programmer's Guide ? thanks -devnull -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS/MU/S d-(++)@ s: a- C+++(++++) UBSV+++$ P-- L- E--- W@ N- o? 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D++(+++)>++++ G+>+++ e+++>++++ h+ r-- y++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 7:19: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f211.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226A937B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kristof_pap@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:18:59 -0700 Received: from 200.46.124.215 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:18:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.46.124.215] From: "Kristof Pap" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Typo in the installation guide Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:18:59 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 14:18:59.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[6AAF3CB0:01C11382] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I was just browsing the online version of the installation guide: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-guide. html and found that where it is talking about the installation floppies (2.2.1.1 Creating the Installation Floppies), in the last paragraph of the 3rd point (3. Write the image files to the floppy disks), the first two sentences are these: On FreeBSD /dev/fd0 refers to the first floppy disk (the A: drive). /dev/rfd1 would be the B: drive, and so on. I suppose the B: drive would be /dev/fd1, and this typo (saying it to be /dev/rfd1) can be quite confusing if somebody is about to install FreeBSD for the first time. I would like to send a patch, but I can't, as I'm unfortunately on windows right now, but I think it won't be hard to find the error on the base of this description. And maybe you already know about this error, but for me it is so rare to find an error (even so small) in the FreeBSD docs., that I had to send this mail, so long as it is... So, keep up the good work, and have fun Kristof _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 7:45: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pilot12.cl.msu.edu (pilot12.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4717F37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zik@msu.edu) Received: from hardy.cl.msu.edu (hardy.cl.msu.edu [35.8.3.246]) by pilot12.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f6NEj3927628 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:45:03 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ed Symanzik To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: porters-handbook diff options Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:45:02 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072310450200.77736@hardy.cl.msu.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Porters Handbook makes no mention of which diff options should be used. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 7:51:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7685537B43E for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:51:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394FA3E28; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:51:40 -0700 (PDT) To: "Kristof Pap" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Typo in the installation guide In-Reply-To: ; from kristof_pap@hotmail.com on "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:18:59 +0000" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:51:40 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010723145140.394FA3E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Fixed, thanks! "Kristof Pap" writes: > Hello > > I was just browsing the online version of the installation guide: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-guide. > html > and found that where it is talking about the installation floppies > (2.2.1.1 Creating the Installation Floppies), in the last paragraph of > the 3rd point (3. Write the image files to the floppy disks), the first > two sentences are these: > > On FreeBSD /dev/fd0 refers to the first floppy disk (the A: > drive). /dev/rfd1 would be the B: drive, and so on. > > I suppose the B: drive would be /dev/fd1, and this typo (saying it to > be /dev/rfd1) can be quite confusing if somebody is about to install > FreeBSD for the first time. > > I would like to send a patch, but I can't, as I'm unfortunately on > windows right now, but I think it won't be hard to find the error on > the base of this description. And maybe you already know about this > error, but for me it is so rare to find an error (even so small) in > the FreeBSD docs., that I had to send this mail, so long as it is... > > So, keep up the good work, and have fun > > Kristof > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 8:38:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.dialup.ru (hermes.dialup.ru [194.87.16.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6E137B40B for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@hermes.dialup.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by hermes.dialup.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6NFclj00438 for doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:38:47 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:38:47 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: CFR: locale names patch Message-ID: <20010723193847.A430@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- chapter.sgml.bak Mon Jul 23 13:52:06 2001 +++ chapter.sgml Mon Jul 23 19:35:53 2001 @@ -245,6 +245,8 @@ :charset=ISO-8859-1:\ :lang=de_DE.ISO_8859-1: + Note: de_DE.ISO8859-1 for FreeBSD versions 5.0 and up. + Traditional Chinese / BIG-5 encoding Here is an example of a .login_conf that sets the variables @@ -290,6 +292,8 @@ :lang=de_DE.ISO_8859-1:\ :tc=default: + Note: de_DE.ISO8859-1 for FreeBSD versions 5.0 and up. + Changing Login Classes with &man.vipw.8; @@ -373,6 +377,8 @@ setenv LANG de_DE.ISO_8859-1 setenv MM_CHARSET ISO-8859-1 + Note: de_DE.ISO8859-1 for FreeBSD versions 5.0 and up. + Alternatively, you can add the above instructions to /usr/share/skel/dot.profile (similar to what was used in /etc/profile above), or @@ -391,6 +397,8 @@ setenv LANG de_DE.ISO_8859-1 Depending on your shell (see above). + + Note: de_DE.ISO8859-1 for FreeBSD versions 5.0 and up. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 9:33:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8250437B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f6NGXVU14382; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:33:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:33:31 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Vasili Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quest Message-ID: <20010723093331.A26456@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <006d01c112f7$dfc905c0$2909fec0@vasa> <20010722221629.A13620@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <000501c11350$fba090c0$2909fec0@vasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000501c11350$fba090c0$2909fec0@vasa>; from vv40in@rambler.ru on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:25:04PM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Please ask these sorts of question on the questions@freebsd.org mailing list, not on doc.] On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:25:04PM +0400, Vasili wrote: > Has freebsd socket lib or no ? FreeBSD is based on the BSD code which is the origin on sockets. So yes, it supports sockets. > Where are sousers ? I have no idea. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7XFHaXY6L6fI4GtQRAhPWAJ9Uqk7X/WDBSTAfVTzKx6FQYTCOOwCg1fEr khKXhlopgErYHU4M+AyHeQs= =93VN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 9:41:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (h24-68-206-125.sbm.shawcable.net [24.68.206.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A23F37B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from root@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6NGfLd87363; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from davidc) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:41:21 -0600 From: Charlie & To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Kristof Pap , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Typo in the installation guide Message-ID: <20010723104121.A81347@colnta.acns.ab.ca> References: <20010723145140.394FA3E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010723145140.394FA3E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:51:40AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 07:51:40AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Fixed, thanks! > > "Kristof Pap" writes: > > Hello > > > > I was just browsing the online version of the installation guide: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-guide. > > html > > and found that where it is talking about the installation floppies > > (2.2.1.1 Creating the Installation Floppies), in the last paragraph of > > the 3rd point (3. Write the image files to the floppy disks), the first > > two sentences are these: > > > > On FreeBSD /dev/fd0 refers to the first floppy disk (the A: > > drive). /dev/rfd1 would be the B: drive, and so on. Actually, if you are dd'ing the floppy image I believe you should be using rfd0, and not fd0. So the typeo is on the first fd0 and not on rfd1. This may not be the case anymore, but I do remember that using fd0 instead of rfd0 could cause a panic on a bad or write-protected floppy. Good luck. Chad To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 9:50:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57F837B40A for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6NGo1589569; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57A637B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:45:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@leo.org) Received: from atleo3.leo.org ([131.159.72.12] HELO atleo3.leo.org ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 4987]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <114525-230>; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:45:45 +0000 Received: by atleo3.leo.org (Postfix, from userid 20455) id CEBE317408; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:45:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20010723164522.CEBE317408@atleo3.leo.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:45:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Lang Reply-To: Daniel Lang To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/29166: Flaw in growfs(8) manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29166 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Flaw in growfs(8) manpage >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 23 09:50:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Daniel Lang >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: TU Muenchen >Environment: System: FreeBSD atleo3.leo.org 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #2: Wed Jul 18 14:56:14 CEST 2001 root@atleo3.leo.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATLEO3 i386 >Description: In the recent 4.3-STABLE growfs was MFCt. The corresponding manpage (on this 4.3-STABLE) says: [..] HISTORY The growfs command first appeared in FreeBSD 5.0. [..] which seems out of date, now. Also a reference to FreeBSD 3.x is mentioned, but I guess, thats ok (altough it could be a typo). >How-To-Repeat: man growfs >Fix: If we talk about releases, this patch will do: --- /usr/src/sbin/growfs/growfs.8.orig Mon Jul 23 18:43:29 2001 +++ /usr/src/sbin/growfs/growfs.8 Mon Jul 23 18:43:56 2001 @@ -156,4 +156,4 @@ The .Nm command first appeared in -.Fx 5.0 . +.Fx 4.4 . >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 9:57:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB04137B405 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from cream.org ([62.31.80.67]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:57:22 +0100 Message-ID: <3B5C5770.7010307@cream.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:57:20 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vasili Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quest References: <006d01c112f7$dfc905c0$2909fec0@vasa> <20010722221629.A13620@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <000501c11350$fba090c0$2909fec0@vasa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This isn't really an appropriate mailing list to ask these questions. hackers@freebsd.org would probably result in better answers. Thanks! Vasili wrote: > Has freebsd socket lib or no ? > Where are sousers ? 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 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 10: 8:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA1E37B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6NGp6611550; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:51:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:51:06 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: Rasputin , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bugs in man.cgi? Message-ID: <20010723175106.C9331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <003c01c112a3$21525e60$91929582@vaio-note> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003c01c112a3$21525e60$91929582@vaio-note>; from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 01:40:24PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 01:40:24PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > you can download the source for man.cgi from the cgi script itself > at http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi > Open the 'FAQ' page and click on the source link .... simple, is'nt it? >=20 > For historically reasons, the man.cgi script is maintained=20 > in a non-public separate CVS tree. Any reason now why we couldn't bring it in? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtcVfkACgkQk6gHZCw343UTqACfcU1PgEnNtuBXQoO4jFVsXnqn ycEAnRjKAiejzmyd3Cu8c6AxVqOL0YUs =iOw2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pAwQNkOnpTn9IO2O-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 10:10: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB19B37B408; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6NGx5K11623; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:59:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:59:05 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Andrew Boothman , Alexey Zelkin , Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010723175905.D9331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B59BBEA.3060600@cream.org> <20010722141425.Q79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oj4kGyHlBMXGt3Le" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010722141425.Q79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:14:25PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --oj4kGyHlBMXGt3Le Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:14:25PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Nik, I am considering more and more to repocopy the handbook and make > what Murray is working on (in awaiting his answer) the end-user handbook > and the new copy an administrator's handbook. I have said more than once that the existing Handbook should be split up in to multiple, smaller, books (not just a 'user' and 'administrator' book). See, for example,=20 http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D221692+233146+/usr/local/= www/db/text/1999/freebsd-doc/19990509.freebsd-doc N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --oj4kGyHlBMXGt3Le Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtcV9EACgkQk6gHZCw343U15gCfb8GzxC/9i+BY0OlRSGNpujrk UKYAn1Ylzq0KHmZNaGqY4N6bu9GjTHnG =xmiu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oj4kGyHlBMXGt3Le-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 10:46:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE12237B40A; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6NHYdQ12193; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:34:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:34:39 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton , ldp-discuss , gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gnome Help 2.0 Message-ID: <20010723183439.I9331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <10107161810.ZM21556@hoop.timonium.sgi.com> <20010716183808.M5889@lupercalia.net> <20010716204303.C1045@inkstain.net> <20010716210908.E1045@inkstain.net> <20010716220520.H1045@inkstain.net> <20010718122437.K29634@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010718063642.E1564@inkstain.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibvzjYYg+QDzMCy1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010718063642.E1564@inkstain.net>; from jfleck@inkstain.net on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 06:36:42AM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ibvzjYYg+QDzMCy1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 06:36:42AM -0600, John Fleck wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 12:24:37PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > I've just had a look at that -- it doesn't begin to cover some of the > > complexities when you have documents that are designed to be processed > > with different parameters to the parser to control (for example) the > > conditional inclusion of different chunks of text. > >=20 > > Remember that what the end user sees as a single document may contain > > content that's come from a number of different locations. >=20 > Could you point me toward some examples of what you are talking > about? The FreeBSD Handbook. Take a look at book.sgml, at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handboo= k/ That uses parameter entities and general entities to control the inclusion of other content. That's not even a very complicated example. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --ibvzjYYg+QDzMCy1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtcYC4ACgkQk6gHZCw343XlcQCgg+0x94/OrXlrQ0O7hfUYXge+ 2XYAoJPe2KdEuXN2uxl7wkbCuGozwAYi =KNiI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibvzjYYg+QDzMCy1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 11: 0:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D66337B407 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6NI07P04506 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107231800.f6NI07P04506@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/12/28] docs/23910 doc Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () 3 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/08/07] docs/13020 doc Manpage capitalization o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook f [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver f [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron o [2000/12/14] docs/23559 doc missing manpage for hsearch libc function o [2001/01/02] docs/24035 doc ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation o [2001/01/26] docs/24662 doc too many questions about source managemen o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/02/05] docs/24869 doc Some text elf.5 is duplicated o [2001/02/06] docs/24923 doc 4.2 Release Errata page has no informatio o [2001/02/11] docs/25000 doc matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong o [2001/02/11] docs/25016 doc symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no o [2001/02/16] docs/25134 doc Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete a [2001/02/20] docs/25239 doc fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about o [2001/02/26] docs/25392 doc Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu o [2001/02/26] docs/25405 doc misleading warning from catman(1), etc. o [2001/02/27] docs/25420 doc man page missing important information. o [2001/02/27] docs/25437 doc kernel configs are the only precious file o [2001/03/10] docs/25657 doc no netid(5) man page o [2001/03/16] docs/25876 doc typos in jail.2 o [2001/03/19] docs/25919 doc supported hardware list says 'no' for Sou o [2001/03/22] docs/26001 doc typo in sched_get_priority_max.2 f [2001/03/22] docs/26003 doc getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not sy o [2001/03/22] docs/26006 doc Changing zone(9) man page o [2001/03/28] docs/26194 doc BSD Family Tree needs updated o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string o [2001/04/08] docs/26451 doc ctype.h defined functions are not accurat o [2001/04/10] docs/26489 doc incomplete info in the ppp faq about "PPP o [2001/04/18] docs/26692 doc boot manpage describes bootfile prompt in o [2001/04/21] misc/26742 doc misleading information in handbook o [2001/04/25] docs/26861 doc accept(2) manpage documents non-existant o [2001/05/02] docs/27027 doc Update src/share/misc/iso639 o [2001/05/02] docs/27040 doc rc(8) and syscons(4) talk about rc.conf.l o [2001/05/08] docs/27209 doc [PATCH] ascii.7 table rearrangement and u o [2001/05/14] docs/27320 doc excessively vague information in pppoe pa o [2001/05/18] docs/27430 doc Addition to the doc/sr_YU/articles tree o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/05/29] docs/27731 doc Incorrect example code in dev handbook ca o [2001/05/29] docs/27758 doc ptrace(2) man page outdated o [2001/06/02] docs/27833 doc No man page for locate.rc o [2001/06/02] docs/27843 doc [PATCH] make.conf WITH_* variables aren't o [2001/06/06] docs/27915 doc man 5 passwd does not properly explain th o [2001/06/09] docs/28000 doc adding and changing information in vidcon s [2001/06/14] docs/28144 doc no manpage for host.conf, no xrefs in oth o [2001/06/20] docs/28306 doc docbook.css and OBJDIR o [2001/06/30] docs/28555 doc [PATCH] style(9) isn't explicit about boo o [2001/07/03] docs/28679 doc Images in handbook/advanced-networking mi o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl a [2001/07/04] docs/28705 doc the rest of those unfinished closing tags a [2001/07/05] docs/28723 doc www2.cz.FreeBSD.org is dead - remove it p o [2001/07/12] docs/28915 doc inconsistency in a man page (versus KERNE o [2001/07/12] docs/28916 doc DocBook conversion of doc/articles/ipsec- o [2001/07/13] docs/28949 doc the mknod(8) man page stills refers to bl o [2001/07/15] docs/28994 doc New article for docproj "Checkpoint VPN-1 o [2001/07/22] docs/29143 doc List of man pages that need to be written o [2001/07/23] docs/29166 doc Flaw in growfs(8) manpage 68 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 12:14:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661EC37B403; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from intruder.bmah.org ([24.176.204.87]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010723191445.KTWV838.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@intruder.bmah.org>; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:14:45 -0700 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6NJEif92870; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:14:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200107231914.f6NJEif92870@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Christian Greisen Cc: bmah@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Supported hardware additional information. From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_397375484P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:14:43 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_397375484P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for your post to freebsd-doc about the D-Link DFE-538TX. I've committed this to 5-CURRENT's hardware list and will do so to 4-STABLE when I've batched up a few more commits. Cheers, Bruce. PS. Unusual reply is due to my having deleted your message from my mailstore and having to go back to the -doc archives to read it. --==_Exmh_397375484P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7XHeh2MoxcVugUsMRAlx0AJ4jKeNMFk6jaAgWrMP5w81Chy8S/gCfX0SQ 0PANsEeGYiOb2va9q14d8Tw= =Xr4g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_397375484P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 12:31:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414D537B407 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:31:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6NJUrV05283 for doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:30:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:30:41 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Introducing OMF Message-ID: <20010723203041.A806@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the things that was discussed at the O'Reilly Documentation Summit yesterday was the use of the Open Source Metadata Framework (OMF) for categorising and cataloging documentation. More information about OMF at http://www.ibiblio.org/osrt/omf/index.html http://www.ibiblio.org/osrt/omf/faq.html It seems that the other documentation projects are in favour of adopting this standard for categorising their documentation, and projects are springing up to present this information to the user in a useful format. For example, scrollkeeper, http://sourceforge.net/projects/scrollkeeper/ which is also available as ports/textproc/scrollkeeper. So I've started thinking about how to use OMF within the FreeBSD docs. It seems like the simplest approach would be add a new file to each document directory, called something like 'omf.xml', containing the metadata for that document. This file might be maintained by hand, or (some of it) might be automatically generated from our DocBook source -- this is because there are also moves afoot to make sure that the OMF metadata set is available inside the *info DocBook elements. Anyone else fancy looking at this in more detail before I get to it? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtce2AACgkQk6gHZCw343VwUACfagovwT1tKFnORPRbLbSzDTtJ XnEAnj3BlavoITwmMBzc/tX0WffNY4v3 =MSlf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 16:34:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB3637B401; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A269F6ACD1; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:04:43 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:04:43 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ...) Message-ID: <20010724090443.L55779@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200107101004.f6AA49e06877@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010711081534.C64441@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010711102212.B24098@sunbay.com> <20010722035733.A1683@mppsystems.com> <20010723122124.A79427@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010723122124.A79427@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 12:21:24PM +0300 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 23 July 2001 at 12:21:24 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 03:57:33AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: >> >> I agreed to it, never requested it. At the time I suggested >> that if all we are going to have is a plain ".Os" line in every man >> page with no information, then we should just remove ".Os" totally, >> since it it just taking up space and processing time. > > Historically, a missing .Os call would result in an empty bottom left corner. > With -mdocNG, as of this delta, > > > > the .Os call is not (strictly speaking) required at all, so we may > eventually remove it completely, yes. I think I will do this after > NetBSD and OpenBSD upgrade to -mdocNG. How would this handle non-native man pages? I have a whole collection of man pages for different operating systems on my system. I don't want the formatting software to claim that they relate to the system on which they're formatted. It looks to me as if the .Os should explicitly specify which operating system the man page belongs to. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 16:50:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C733A37B405; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6NNoAv06321; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010724090443.L55779@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:50:18 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Greg Lehey Subject: RE: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bi Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, Mike Pritchard , Ruslan Ermilov Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23-Jul-01 Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 23 July 2001 at 12:21:24 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 03:57:33AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: >>> >>> I agreed to it, never requested it. At the time I suggested >>> that if all we are going to have is a plain ".Os" line in every man >>> page with no information, then we should just remove ".Os" totally, >>> since it it just taking up space and processing time. >> >> Historically, a missing .Os call would result in an empty bottom left >> corner. >> With -mdocNG, as of this delta, >> >> >> >> the .Os call is not (strictly speaking) required at all, so we may >> eventually remove it completely, yes. I think I will do this after >> NetBSD and OpenBSD upgrade to -mdocNG. > > How would this handle non-native man pages? I have a whole collection > of man pages for different operating systems on my system. I don't > want the formatting software to claim that they relate to the system > on which they're formatted. It looks to me as if the .Os should > explicitly specify which operating system the man page belongs to. I agree. Especially for manpages that are very OS-specific, such as many kernel API manpages which document API's very specific to FreeBSD. If someone looks at that manpage on a Solaris box, it shouldn't be claiming that solaris implements sx locks for example. > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 17: 9:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0292537B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6O095T06622; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:09:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:09:05 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010723170905.K1969@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010716185834.D77647@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B59BBEA.3060600@cream.org> <20010722141425.Q79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010722230135.A88988@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010723111324.V79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010723111324.V79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:13:25AM +0200 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:13:25AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Scope should be the first. :) > Without a proper scope you cannot write the rest of the document. :) > An O'Reilly editor told me exactly the opposite last night. ;) - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 17:20:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B1537B40E for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6O0K2S08711; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from takhus.dyn.mind.net (208-046-220-101.pc.ashlandfiber.net [208.46.220.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE7F37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fleisher@takhus.dyn.mind.net) Received: (from fleisher@localhost) by takhus.dyn.mind.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6O0Erc20088; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:14:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fleisher) Message-Id: <200107240014.f6O0Erc20088@takhus.dyn.mind.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Fleisher To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/29182: Handbook needs to be updated to reflect security support changes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29182 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook needs to be updated to reflect security support changes >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 23 17:20:02 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tony Fleisher >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Section 20.2 "FreeBSD-CURRENT vs. FreeBSD-STABLE" of The FreeBSD Handbook needs to be updated to reflect the changes announced by the Security Officer in the 11 May 2001 annoucement "Changes to FreeBSD security support policy", specifically this paragraph is not true (and, in fact, is contradicted by the annoucement): (In section 20.2.2.2) Tracking FreeBSD-STABLE also gives you easy access to security fixes for FreeBSD as they are released. However, you do not need to track FreeBSD-STABLE to do this, as every security advisory for FreeBSD explains how to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ fix the problem for the releases it affects. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: I think that some combination of updating this section of the Handbook and perhaps adding a new section "Supported Releases" (which is kept up to date) is needed to fix this inconsistancy. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 21:48: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E2937B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from antouns@home.com) Received: from cs72902-a.home.com ([24.64.250.33]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010724044757.XGUX1769.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@cs72902-a.home.com> for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:47:57 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20010723224003.00a8b720@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: antouns/mail.cgmo1.ab.home.com@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:43:08 -0600 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: antouns Subject: need download location for freebsd install on windows98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org howdy I need the download location for the files to install freebsd on windows98 actually there are two hard drives one hd has win 98 the other is empty. regards To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 21:51:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA9F37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:51:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010724045102.PHLI15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:51:02 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6O4oum38909; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:50:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:50:56 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving chapters around in the Handbook Message-ID: <20010724065056.D79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010719134759.B79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B57A50B.9010101@cream.org> <20010720081706.H79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010720172437.A6118@ark.cris.net> <20010721145108.N79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <3B59BBEA.3060600@cream.org> <20010722141425.Q79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010722230135.A88988@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010723111324.V79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010723170905.K1969@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010723170905.K1969@meow.osd.bsdi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010724 02:51], Murray Stokely (murray.stokely@windriver.com) wrote: >On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:13:25AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> Scope should be the first. :) >> Without a proper scope you cannot write the rest of the document. :) >> > > An O'Reilly editor told me exactly the opposite last night. ;) Heh, then I totally disagree with that person. :) And we're both talking from experience. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Avert the danger that has not yet come... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 22:17: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EE837B405 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DFA3E2F; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:16:58 -0700 (PDT) To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CFR: locale names patch In-Reply-To: <20010723193847.A430@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:38:47 +0400" Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:16:58 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010724051658.90DFA3E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Andrey A. Chernov" writes: > --- chapter.sgml.bak Mon Jul 23 13:52:06 2001 > +++ chapter.sgml Mon Jul 23 19:35:53 2001 > @@ -245,6 +245,8 @@ > :charset=ISO-8859-1:\ > :lang=de_DE.ISO_8859-1: > > + Note: de_DE.ISO8859-1 for FreeBSD versions 5.0 and up. > + Please write this like: @@ -246,6 +246,12 @@ :lang=de_DE.ISO_8859-1: Traditional Chinese / BIG-5 encoding + + + de_DE.ISO8859-1 for FreeBSD + versions 5.0 and up. + + Here is an example of a .login_conf that sets the variables for Traditional Chinese in BIG-5 encoding. Notice the many Same for all the other chunks. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 23 22:24:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16F337B403; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:24:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6O5Kca51744; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107240520.f6O5Kca51744@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, tomsoft@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/29166: Flaw in growfs(8) manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Flaw in growfs(8) manpage Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->tomsoft Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jul 23 22:20:21 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to (co-?)author. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=29166 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 1:31:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAE837B405; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:31:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6O8VCJ47452; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:31:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:31:12 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: John Baldwin Cc: Greg Lehey , doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, Ruslan Ermilov Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bi Message-ID: <20010724033112.B46693@mppsystems.com> References: <20010724090443.L55779@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 04:50:18PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 04:50:18PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 23-Jul-01 Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Monday, 23 July 2001 at 12:21:24 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 03:57:33AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > >>> I agreed to it, never requested it. At the time I suggested > >>> that if all we are going to have is a plain ".Os" line in every man > >>> page with no information, then we should just remove ".Os" totally, > >>> since it it just taking up space and processing time. > >> > >> Historically, a missing .Os call would result in an empty bottom left > >> corner. > >> With -mdocNG, as of this delta, > >> > >> > >> > >> the .Os call is not (strictly speaking) required at all, so we may > >> eventually remove it completely, yes. I think I will do this after > >> NetBSD and OpenBSD upgrade to -mdocNG. > > > > How would this handle non-native man pages? I have a whole collection > > of man pages for different operating systems on my system. I don't > > want the formatting software to claim that they relate to the system > > on which they're formatted. It looks to me as if the .Os should > > explicitly specify which operating system the man page belongs to. > > I agree. Especially for manpages that are very OS-specific, such as many > kernel API manpages which document API's very specific to FreeBSD. If someone > looks at that manpage on a Solaris box, it shouldn't be claiming that solaris > implements sx locks for example. We have had very specific FreeBSD only features, and the man page has a ".Os FreeBSD" line in it, only to have NetBSD/OpenBSD adopt it later. We have also take software from those two groups and removed the ".Os NetBSD" lines from them because the manual actually describes what is going on under FreeBSD. I can see two cases where having a non-blank ".Os" call are needed. 1) You are documenting an obsolete version of something. Say feature 'x' went away in FreeBSD version 4.0, but you still want to document it so people who are upgrading can figure out what the old feature did so they can upgrade to the new feature. In this case, ".Os FreeBSD 4.0" would be correct. The compat libraries are probably about the only thing to which this would apply. 2) You are documenting a feature of another operating system. Then you would want to include a ".Os other-os" line. I don't think we have any of these cases right now. It has always been a mixed bag since the early days of FreeBSD. A lot of man pages had a plain ".Os" line, and the rest had a ".Os FreeBSD [version]". The ones with version information became out of date as soon as the next release came around, especially since we started to work hard at having a correct "HISTORY" section for man pages. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 1:45:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613B837B406; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15OxpV-0001uj-00; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:46:13 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Chern Lee Cc: murray@freebsd.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/advanced-networking chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/contrib chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/introduction chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelopts chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/linuxemu chapter.sgml ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:51:34 MST." <200107232251.f6NMpYd91272@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:46:13 +0200 Message-ID: <7360.995964373@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:51:34 MST, Chern Lee wrote: > Log: > Remove smileys/emoticons as discussed in -doc to give the handbook a more > formal look. All well and good, but you can't just remove smilies without first making sure that the document reads as intended without them. There's at least one example that I saw (before I stopped my post-mortem review and started with this e-mail) where you've damaged the intended meaning of the text: So why is it sometimes called Linux emulation? - To make it hard to sell FreeBSD! 8-). Really, it + To make it hard to sell FreeBSD! Really, it is because the historical implementation Without the smiley, the reader now finds it more difficult to deduce that you're joking. I'm not saying the smilies shouldn't go. I'm saying that removing them isn't as simple as you may at first have thought it would be. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 1:47:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F7F37B405; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:47:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15Oxru-0001vw-00; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:48:42 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Greg Lehey Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ...) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:04:43 +0930." <20010724090443.L55779@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:48:42 +0200 Message-ID: <7435.995964522@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:04:43 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > the .Os call is not (strictly speaking) required at all, so we may > > eventually remove it completely, yes. I think I will do this after > > NetBSD and OpenBSD upgrade to -mdocNG. > > How would this handle non-native man pages? I have a whole collection > of man pages for different operating systems on my system. I certainly didn't read this thread to mean that Ruslan's going to remove support for the Os macro. I understood from this thread that Ruslan's going to remove the Os _call_ from the existing FreeBSD manuals. Sometimes, I get the impression you're just following FreeBSD mail so you can pick a fight. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 2:21:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta04-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C041C37B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta04-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010724092125.RRKB7440.amsmta04-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:21:25 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6O95nB40898; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:05:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:05:49 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Sergey Lyubka Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: programmer's guide Message-ID: <20010724110548.J79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010723141224.D54696@daemon.tecnomen.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010723141224.D54696@daemon.tecnomen.ie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010723 15:30], Sergey Lyubka (devnull@tecnomen.ie) wrote: >does anybody work on Debugging section >in Programmer's Guide ? It is on my list. Why? ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Expansion of happiness is the purpose of life... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 2:36:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC6037B409 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15Oycz-00026I-00; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:37:21 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Kris Kennaway Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: top signal handling In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:11:33 MST." <20010723221133.A814@xor.obsecurity.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:37:21 +0200 Message-ID: <8077.995967441@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:11:33 MST, Kris Kennaway wrote: > +sig_atomic_t leaveflag; This type, sig_atomic_t, isn't mentioned at all in the entire manual domain in FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE. Any pointers? I understand the principle, but I'm wondering how you found out about this thing. Is this from some external "safe signal handling" documentation reference. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 2:45:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-149.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E83537B408 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6EC6B66E04; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:45:41 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Kris Kennaway , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: top signal handling Message-ID: <20010724024540.A22965@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010723221133.A814@xor.obsecurity.org> <8077.995967441@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <8077.995967441@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>; from sheldonh@starjuice.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:37:21AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:37:21AM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:11:33 MST, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > +sig_atomic_t leaveflag; >=20 > This type, sig_atomic_t, isn't mentioned at all in the entire manual > domain in FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE. >=20 > Any pointers? I understand the principle, but I'm wondering how you > found out about this thing. Is this from some external "safe signal > handling" documentation reference. I picked this up from OpenBSD: I'm trying to learn about the ins and outs of safe signal handling code myself. It's probably a POSIX thing, although I can't find my copy of the spec right now. Kris --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7XUPEWry0BWjoQKURAnsUAKCmqwlddX8QLlPfQzfxCpRL7BitYACgiVgS ls4rkc04JeynpI8W71iwGSc= =bR10 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 3:18:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.tecnomen.ie (neptune.tecnomen.ie [193.120.120.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DB737B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from devnull@tecnomen.ie) Received: from daemon.tecnomen.ie (194.42.62.239 [194.42.62.239]) by apollo.tecnomen.ie with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PRAHWWWB; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:13:29 +0100 Received: by daemon.tecnomen.ie (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D5D8C2EBC1; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:18:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:18:20 +0000 From: Sergey Lyubka To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: programmer's guide Message-ID: <20010724111820.E58365@daemon.tecnomen.ie> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010723141224.D54696@daemon.tecnomen.ie> <20010724110548.J79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724110548.J79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:05:49AM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:05:49AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > -On [20010723 15:30], Sergey Lyubka (devnull@tecnomen.ie) wrote: > >does anybody work on Debugging section > >in Programmer's Guide ? > > It is on my list. > > Why? ;) > well, i'd like to contribute to this chunk of work :-) may i know what part i can write ? thanks -devnull -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS/MU/S d-(++)@ s: a- C+++(++++) UBSV+++$ P-- L- E--- W@ N- o? 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D++(+++)>++++ G+>+++ e+++>++++ h+ r-- y++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 4:14:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta02-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9302C37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta02-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010724111358.UKLV10337.amsmta02-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:13:58 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6OBEWZ41970; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:14:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:14:31 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Sergey Lyubka Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: programmer's guide Message-ID: <20010724131431.L79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010723141224.D54696@daemon.tecnomen.ie> <20010724110548.J79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010724111820.E58365@daemon.tecnomen.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010724111820.E58365@daemon.tecnomen.ie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010724 12:30], Sergey Lyubka (devnull@tecnomen.ie) wrote: >well, i'd like to contribute to this chunk of work :-) That's nice. :) Know DocBook? >may i know what part i can write ? Depends, what experience do you have? :) You could start by writing down your experience and creating a logical flow in that information. Then make sure another person could understand all the terms which you introduced. That is a good start. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Of course I can't say, whether it will become better if it gets changed; but as much as I can say, it must change if it shall become good... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 4:24: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta02-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1670A37B410 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta02-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010724112307.UMUN10337.amsmta02-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:23:07 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6OBNfx42029; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:23:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:23:41 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: S?ren Andreasen Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD question Message-ID: <20010724132341.M79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <000701c11172$81b744a0$0701a8c0@workgroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c11172$81b744a0$0701a8c0@workgroup> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hej Soeren, -On [20010720 16:30], S?ren Andreasen (sra@post5.tele.dk) wrote: >I'm a BSD newbie! and need to remove 'BIND / named', >because I am going to install the newest version directly >from source code. There is a website and mailing list for Danish BSD users which might be useful at times, please see: http://www.bsd-dk.dk/ Hejdaa, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Sometimes things stare us in the face and we are too blind to see... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 4:45:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.tecnomen.ie (neptune.tecnomen.ie [193.120.120.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CBF37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from devnull@tecnomen.ie) Received: from daemon.tecnomen.ie (194.42.62.239 [194.42.62.239]) by apollo.tecnomen.ie with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PRAHWW85; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:40:32 +0100 Received: by daemon.tecnomen.ie (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8888A2EBC1; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:45:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:45:24 +0000 From: Sergey Lyubka To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: programmer's guide Message-ID: <20010724124523.F58365@daemon.tecnomen.ie> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010723141224.D54696@daemon.tecnomen.ie> <20010724110548.J79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20010724111820.E58365@daemon.tecnomen.ie> <20010724131431.L79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724131431.L79615@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:14:31PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 01:14:31PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > -On [20010724 12:30], Sergey Lyubka (devnull@tecnomen.ie) wrote: > >well, i'd like to contribute to this chunk of work :-) > > That's nice. :) > Know DocBook? yep. > > >may i know what part i can write ? > > Depends, what experience do you have? :) > You could start by writing down your experience and creating a logical > flow in that information. Then make sure another person could > understand all the terms which you introduced. > > That is a good start. yeah, i see. i'm trying to not to duplicate the work, say, i'll write truss chapter and send a link to it to review; but someone else may do the same at the same time. how can i determine, which piece of work (chapter, okay) is `available' ? :-) hope that question isn't stupid much :-) thanks, -devnull -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS/MU/S d-(++)@ s: a- C+++(++++) UBSV+++$ P-- L- E--- W@ N- o? K? w--->? O- M? V- PS- PE Y PGP+ t? 5? X- R++>+++ !tv b++++ DI? D++(+++)>++++ G+>+++ e+++>++++ h+ r-- y++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 4:55:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6D137B401; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5283E28; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:55:14 -0700 (PDT) To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: nik@freebsd.org Subject: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:55:14 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any reason not to remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? This is our custom DTD for DocBook 3.1, which we no longer use, or install as part of the docproj port. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 7:29:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from access.pvrr.ru (mail.pvrr.ru [194.84.127.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A50637B40C for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sergey@nod4mail.pvrr.ru) Received: from pvrr.mps (int.pvrr.ru [10.61.1.21]) by access.pvrr.ru (8.11.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f6OET5M46347 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:29:05 +0400 (MSD) Received: by pvrr.mps id m15P3BC-000OtTC; Tue, 24 Jul 101 18:28 +0400 MSD Received: from nod4 (nodis4.pvrr.mps [10.61.48.92]) by nod4mail.pvrr.mps (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f6OESw724556 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:28:58 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <000801c1144d$3e03fa90$5c303d0a@dnod4.pvrr.mps> From: "sergey" To: Subject: HELP Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:30:52 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1146E.C4E19240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1146E.C4E19240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1146E.C4E19240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1146E.C4E19240-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 10: 0:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EB837B409; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6OGxYv19970; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:59:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010724033112.B46693@mppsystems.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Mike Pritchard Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bi Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, Greg Lehey Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 24-Jul-01 Mike Pritchard wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 04:50:18PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 23-Jul-01 Greg Lehey wrote: >> > On Monday, 23 July 2001 at 12:21:24 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 03:57:33AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: >> >>> I agreed to it, never requested it. At the time I suggested >> >>> that if all we are going to have is a plain ".Os" line in every man >> >>> page with no information, then we should just remove ".Os" totally, >> >>> since it it just taking up space and processing time. >> >> >> >> Historically, a missing .Os call would result in an empty bottom left >> >> corner. >> >> With -mdocNG, as of this delta, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the .Os call is not (strictly speaking) required at all, so we may >> >> eventually remove it completely, yes. I think I will do this after >> >> NetBSD and OpenBSD upgrade to -mdocNG. >> > >> > How would this handle non-native man pages? I have a whole collection >> > of man pages for different operating systems on my system. I don't >> > want the formatting software to claim that they relate to the system >> > on which they're formatted. It looks to me as if the .Os should >> > explicitly specify which operating system the man page belongs to. >> >> I agree. Especially for manpages that are very OS-specific, such as many >> kernel API manpages which document API's very specific to FreeBSD. If >> someone >> looks at that manpage on a Solaris box, it shouldn't be claiming that >> solaris >> implements sx locks for example. > > We have had very specific FreeBSD only features, and the man page has > a ".Os FreeBSD" line in it, only to have NetBSD/OpenBSD adopt it later. > We have also take software from those two groups and removed the > ".Os NetBSD" lines from them because the manual actually describes what > is going on under FreeBSD. So? Surely they are competent enough to update their .Os macros when they port software. Also, you are assuming this happens for all features. It doesn't. If I copy sx.9 to a NetBSD box and view it, it claims NetBSD implements sx locks. This is _wrong_. This is a _lie_. If I copy lockmgr.9 with an .Os FreeBSD in it to a NetBSD box, it claims that FreeBSD implemenets lockmgr(). It doesn't say that NetBSD doesn't. > I can see two cases where having a non-blank ".Os" call are needed. > > 1) You are documenting an obsolete version of something. Say feature > 'x' went away in FreeBSD version 4.0, but you still want to document it > so people who are upgrading can figure out what the old feature did > so they can upgrade to the new feature. In this case, ".Os FreeBSD 4.0" > would be correct. The compat libraries are probably about the only > thing to which this would apply. Erm, isn't that what .Sh HISTORY is for? If you include a version number in the .Os line, it should probably list the range of all versions that the docuemented feature/API was valid for. I'm not sure mdoc likes version ranges however, and it would involve a lot of fixup work for old manpages. > 2) You are documenting a feature of another operating system. > Then you would want to include a ".Os other-os" line. I don't > think we have any of these cases right now. When our manpages are read on another OS, they "are documenting a feature of another operating system". You've just proved my point. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 11:48:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web12301.mail.yahoo.com (web12301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 35AF037B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ndanl@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010724184815.9532.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.233.103.213] by web12301.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:48:15 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dan L. Nica" Subject: translation in romania To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there…. My name is Dan, I am student at U.P.T Romania – Timisoara, me and my friends (5 at number, students too, maybe we’ll get more, but for the beginning is enough) want to translate, as much as possible if not all, the handbook and the FAQ in romanian, because, the FreeBSD popularity and the fbsd users in Romania are growing, so we want to make/help ppl understanding and use this OS for their servers/clients. So we want get information on how to translate the handbook and the FAQ. Thank you in advance. ===== Dan L. Nica Brainbench Certificates http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=96177 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 15:20: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CA437B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6OMK0Z66649; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from etrn.xmission.com (etrn.xmission.com [198.60.22.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B00837B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@misty.eyesbeyond.com) Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com) by etrn.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 15PAVt-0003Un-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:18:49 -0600 Received: from [166.70.8.251] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15PAVr-0005Hx-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:18:48 -0600 Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6OMIhJ45868; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:48:43 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from glewis) Message-Id: <200107242218.f6OMIhJ45868@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:48:43 +0930 (CST) From: glewis@eyesbeyond.com Reply-To: glewis@eyesbeyond.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/29201: Update for the FreeBSD Java web pages. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29201 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Update for the FreeBSD Java web pages. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 24 15:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Greg Lewis >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 >Organization: BSD Java porting team >Environment: System: FreeBSD misty.eyesbeyond.com 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Sun Jul 22 07:18:00 CST 2001 root@misty.eyesbeyond.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MISTY i386 >Description: I've now got some patches up which let people build JDK 1.3.1. This is a developer only release, but I thought it might be worth announcing it. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: Please commit the following. Note that I've put the date of the entry as the date the patches were released rather than the date I submitted this. I'm not sure what the convention is for these pages, so please change it if necessary. --- www/en/java/dists/13.sgml.orig Wed Jul 25 07:25:34 2001 +++ www/en/java/dists/13.sgml Wed Jul 25 07:39:09 2001 @@ -10,6 +10,18 @@
+

+July 16, 2001: Greg Lewis +releases patches for developers interested in building a native +FreeBSD JDK 1.3.1. It should be noted that this is very much a +developer only release and will not build a working JDK. +The patches are primarily being released as an opportunity for interested +people to be able to contribute to the porting effort without having to +start from scratch. The patches and some cursory build instructions may be +downloaded at +http://www.eyesbeyond.com/freebsddom/java/jdk13.html +

+

September 15, 2000: Andrew Gallatin and Sean O'Connell have been working on getting IBM's JDK 1.3 working. To make them work >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 16:28:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC2037B407; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B51446ACC1; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:58:32 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:58:32 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ...) Message-ID: <20010725085832.P75783@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010724090443.L55779@wantadilla.lemis.com> <7435.995964522@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <7435.995964522@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>; from sheldonh@starjuice.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:48:42AM +0200 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 24 July 2001 at 10:48:42 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:04:43 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> the .Os call is not (strictly speaking) required at all, so we may >>> eventually remove it completely, yes. I think I will do this after >>> NetBSD and OpenBSD upgrade to -mdocNG. >> >> How would this handle non-native man pages? I have a whole collection >> of man pages for different operating systems on my system. > > I certainly didn't read this thread to mean that Ruslan's going to > remove support for the Os macro. I understood from this thread that > Ruslan's going to remove the Os _call_ from the existing FreeBSD > manuals. Yes, that's what I understand too. So if we format one of these man pages under NetBSD, it will claim to be a NetBSD man page. Does this sound right to you? > Sometimes, I get the impression you're just following FreeBSD mail > so you can pick a fight. :-) Then you're missing the point. This is a serious issue. If we're documenting FreeBSD, we should say so, we shouldn't assume that the man pages will only be viewed on (the same revision of) FreeBSD. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 16:55:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D2C37B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:55:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6ONjxm02772; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:45:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:45:59 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Wing Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lucent WaveLAN drivers Message-ID: <20010725004559.D459@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3B4E7D2A.1040605@eee.hku.hk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ycz6tD7Th1CMF4v7" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B4E7D2A.1040605@eee.hku.hk>; from h9907237@eee.hku.hk on Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:46:34PM +0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Ycz6tD7Th1CMF4v7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 12:46:34PM +0800, Wing wrote: > We're a research team in the Department of Electrical and Electronic= =20 > Engineering in the University of Hong Kong in Asia. We're doing a=20 > research project about WaveLAN. After installing FreeBSD 4.2, we found=20 > that the Lucent WaveLAN card and adapter cannot be detected and as a=20 > result the WaveLAN card cannot function properly. How should I configure= =20 > it? What's wrong in my installation process? Use wicontrol(8). Specific queries should probably be sent to mobile@freebsd.org mailing list. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --Ycz6tD7Th1CMF4v7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjteCLYACgkQk6gHZCw343Xk8wCglMoniOFCaLwGBGT04ZYDBXEq OqkAnj3dXVKD3XDL7Kn9fcc0YeOWhXMT =edYR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Ycz6tD7Th1CMF4v7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 16:58:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD09E37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:58:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6ONf3f02757; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:41:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:41:02 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Dan L. Nica" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: translation in romania Message-ID: <20010725004101.C459@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010724184815.9532.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724184815.9532.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com>; from ndanl@yahoo.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:48:15AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ This is a form letter -- sorry about that, but I'm trying to make sure=20 that I can deal with messages in a timely manner. Thanks for understandi= ng ] Thank you for your recent message asking about translating the FreeBSD=20 documentation to another language. Additional translations of the FreeBSD documentation are always welcome. To that end, there is a chapter in the FreeBSD Documentation Primer that (hopefully) answers all the questions you have. The primer is at http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/index.html and the chapter in question is http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/translations.= html If you still have questions then please get in touch with the doc@freebsd.o= rg=20 mailing list. Thanks, and we look forward to your translation. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjteB40ACgkQk6gHZCw343UmNgCePN5BVYDofPya5noQaIYUMSto 9mgAnRGR69OttaobWUYh6hH9s8OLlntg =eKFg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 16:58:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AC837B405; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6OHeZu27394; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:40:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:40:34 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dima Dorfman Cc: doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? Message-ID: <20010724184034.A24746@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:55:14AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:55:14AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Is there any reason not to remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? This is > our custom DTD for DocBook 3.1, which we no longer use, or install as > part of the docproj port. Other people using the DTD? =20 Maybe turn it in to a port? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtdsxIACgkQk6gHZCw343WExACfUCw3hwBzvP93Fo4p2CapQ7fw Pg0An2bBJxsH2KOTfeG+YvRBQ0f8pUlw =qEnD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 16:59:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC92437B401; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:58:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6OKMUB00884; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:22:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:22:29 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dima Dorfman Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/share/sgml freebsd.dsl freebsd41.dtd Message-ID: <20010724212229.A459@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: doc@freebsd.org References: <200107241108.f6OB80429707@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107241108.f6OB80429707@freefall.freebsd.org>; from dd@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:07:59AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:07:59AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Introduce a element that answers the question of how to mark up > a port name. Right now, it renders as monospace, and with a hyperlink > to the port's pkg-descr file if possible. I'm beginning to think this might be better as a role on filename, net/racoon or similar. FU to -doc. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtd2QUACgkQk6gHZCw343WDOACfYd/ogG+TSUVvvNAIF285lRZX lZYAoICXrR0pfOxvvZdhXKSexfS2oOt3 =cKoC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 19:54:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe43.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3746437B406 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sullivanf@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:54:50 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.214.93.134] From: "Frank Sullivan" To: Subject: Free BSD download Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:01:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 02:54:50.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C54DE00:01C114B5] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I have just downloaded the 'free BSD version 3.5.1-RELEASE E' folder via ftp. The 'Install Guide' says that I need the 'installation' floppies. However, I can't get access without an ID and password. Now, I don't know where I am in the process. Can you help me with this? Thanks in advance -Frank Sullivan ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 20:32:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.jnpr.net (natint.juniper.net [207.17.136.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B799737B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgoyette@juniper.net) Received: from juniper.net (colo-pptp-202.jnpr.net [172.24.248.202]) by postal.jnpr.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id NKKFBWQG; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:32:10 -0700 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Anon FTP to ftp.freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:32:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5E3DB5.9C69A76F@juniper.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Anon FTP to ftp.freebsd.org Thread-Index: AcEUumOEvX8YT5VZSZeLI/KjF82LSw== From: "Paul Goyette" To: Reply-To: "Paul Goyette" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looks like it isn't working.... FTP Error Could not login to FTP server User anonymous access denied. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 20:33: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [210.190.142.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E14A37B406; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.hrslab.yi.org (p3004-ip01funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [61.112.99.4]) by eos.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id MAA17134; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:32:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.hrslab.yi.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.hrslab.yi.org (8.9.3/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id MAA85458; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:31:48 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:31:15 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010725.123115.41632378.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: dima@unixfreak.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b101 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dima Dorfman wrote in <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org>: dima> Is there any reason not to remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? This is dima> our custom DTD for DocBook 3.1, which we no longer use, or install as dima> part of the docproj port. Many translated docs still depend on DocBook V3.1 DTD, so please keep it intact until all of them are switched over to 4.1 DTD. -- | Hiroki Sato | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 21:42: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urx.com (mail.urx.com [63.170.19.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656D837B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@urx.com) Received: from urx.com [206.159.132.160] by mail.urx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE15D6038A; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:41:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5E4E15.1A87B6C1@urx.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:41:57 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Goyette Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anon FTP to ftp.freebsd.org References: <3B5E3DB5.9C69A76F@juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Goyette wrote: > > Looks like it isn't working.... > > FTP Error > > Could not login to FTP server > > User anonymous access denied. That isn't what this usually means. There is a quota and you probably were in excess of the quota. Kent > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 22:34:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B6137B401; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:34:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010725053431.ZENW15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:34:31 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6P5YPq52400; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:34:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:34:24 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: Dima Dorfman , Nik Clayton Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/share/sgml freebsd.dsl freebsd41.dtd Message-ID: <20010725073424.B46731@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <200107241108.f6OB80429707@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010724212229.A459@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010724212229.A459@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010725 02:30], Nik Clayton (nik@freebsd.org) wrote: [ element] >I'm beginning to think this might be better as a role on filename, > > net/racoon > >or similar. Agreed, since we always refer to ports as a compound of two things: category/portname and it is part of the filesystem's directory/file structure. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Conscience is God's presence in man... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 23:12:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618A637B405; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170603E32; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:12:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? In-Reply-To: <20010724184034.A24746@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:40:34 +0100" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:12:45 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010725061245.170603E32@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton writes: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 04:55:14AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > Is there any reason not to remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? This is > > our custom DTD for DocBook 3.1, which we no longer use, or install as > > part of the docproj port. > > Other people using the DTD? I'm not proposing to wipe it off the face of the earth, just `cvs rm` it. If somebody is using it, they're probably (hopefully) not referencing it inside the doc/ tree (i.e., they're not using /usr/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd as the path). Those who need it can still get it. > Maybe turn it in to a port? A port for one file sounds like overkill. Besides, where would it be installed? I'm not strictly opposed, but perhaps just sticking the last version on a web page somewhere would suffice. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 23:13:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC1B37B401; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 2AA7E4B658; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:20:08 -0700 From: murray@osd.bsdi.com To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Dima Dorfman , Nik Clayton Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/share/sgml freebsd.dsl freebsd41.dtd Message-ID: <20010724232008.A15941@mao.stokely.org> References: <200107241108.f6OB80429707@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010724212229.A459@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010725073424.B46731@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725073424.B46731@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:34:24AM +0200 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think is definitely easier for authors but everyone at the Doc summit seemed to think that we (FreeBSD docproj) were extending DocBook gratuitously. In a perfect world people would write tools that completely implement specifications but since we're not there yet we have a much better chance of getting the FreeBSD Handbook into places like the KDE Help Center and other apps if we don't extend DocBook too much. KDE and several of the other projects are going in the opposite direction of subsetting DocBook, while we're adding to it. - Murray On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:34:24AM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > -On [20010725 02:30], Nik Clayton (nik@freebsd.org) wrote: > > [ element] > > >I'm beginning to think this might be better as a role on filename, > > > > net/racoon > > > >or similar. > > Agreed, since we always refer to ports as a compound of two things: > > category/portname > > and it is part of the filesystem's directory/file structure. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 24 23:15: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A170B37B406; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F143E28; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:15:05 -0700 (PDT) To: Hiroki Sato Cc: doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? In-Reply-To: <20010725.123115.41632378.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp>; from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp on "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:31:15 +0900 (JST)" Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:15:05 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010725061505.43F143E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiroki Sato writes: > Dima Dorfman wrote > in <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org>: > > dima> Is there any reason not to remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? This is > dima> our custom DTD for DocBook 3.1, which we no longer use, or install as > dima> part of the docproj port. > > Many translated docs still depend on DocBook V3.1 DTD, > so please keep it intact until all of them are switched over to 4.1 DTD. Nik coverted all of them to 4.1 and removed DocBook < 4.1 from the dependency list in the docproj port. In other words, anything still using 3.1 will fail to build regardless of whether that custom DTD is there or not. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 0: 8:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0124237B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id JAA02022; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:16:05 +0200 Message-ID: <3B5E70E2.4C3221EC@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:10:26 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Sullivan Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD download References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Frank Sullivan wrote: > > Hello > > I have just downloaded the 'free BSD version 3.5.1-RELEASE E' folder via > ftp. The 'Install Guide' says that I need the 'installation' floppies. > However, I can't get access without an ID and password. Now, I don't know > where I am in the process. Can you help me with this? Anonymous ftp access is done using either ftp or anonymous as user name, and your e-mail address as password. BTW, read again that installation chapter at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html . I mean read it completely before you start downloading everything in sight. After you booted the install floppies, everything else is grabbed automatically, no need to download anything else before. HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 1:49:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.wi.rr.com (fe6.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CCC37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jvictoria@wi.rr.com) Received: from wi.rr.com ([24.160.241.236]) by mail6.wi.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:48:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3B5E8851.8ECF10FD@wi.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:50:25 -0500 From: -=The Vic=- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: can you please review this and help me out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Im a newbie thanks Please help me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ pentium# startx XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: xx November 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 [ELF] Configured drivers: SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 1): NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2, RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, GeForce 256, GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 GTS, GeForce2 GTS (rev1), GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro 2 Pro, GeForce2 MX, GeForce2 MX DDR, Quadro 2 MXR, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b, ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b, ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, r128, ati, sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597, sis5598, sis6326, sis530, sis620, sis300, sis630, sis540, tvga8200lx, tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000, tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, tgui9420dgi, tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660, tgui9680, tgui9682, tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388, cyber9397, cyber9520, cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd, blade3d, cyberblade, clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430, clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464, clgd5465, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543, clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, mgag400, oti067, oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, AP6422, AT24, AT3D, s3_savage, s3_virge, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200, ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546, ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200, ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740, i740_pci, i810, i810-dc100, i810e, Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (using VT number 9) XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(us)" (overrides other XKB settings) (**) Mouse: type: IntelliMouse, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 (**) Mouse: buttons: 3, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "3DFX Voodoo 3" (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "My Monitor" (--) SVGA: Mode "640x400" needs vert refresh rate of 69.93 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs vert refresh rate of 86.96 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x400" needs hsync freq of 37.86 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 36.46 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 37.50 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 43.27 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 43.92 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 48.36 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 53.01 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 53.51 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 55.84 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 56.48 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 51.02 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 64.02 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 62.50 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 62.42 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 80.21 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "512x384" needs vert refresh rate of 77.97 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "512x384" needs hsync freq of 34.38 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "320x200" needs vert refresh rate of 69.93 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "320x240" needs hsync freq of 39.38 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 37.80 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 39.56 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 48.00 kHz. Deleted. (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (--) SVGA: PCI: 3Dfx Voodoo3 rev 1, Memory @ 0xfc000000, 0xf0000000, I/O @ 0xdc00 Found 16 MB SDRAM (--) SVGA: chipset: Voodoo3 (--) SVGA: videoram: 16384k (**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666 (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 300.000 MHz (**) SVGA: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 25.175 (**) SVGA: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 36.000 (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1024x768" (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1024x768" from list of valid modes. (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1280x1024" (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1280x1024" from list of valid modes. (--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 800x600 (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024 (--) SVGA: Using XAA (XFree86 Acceleration Architecture) (--) SVGA: XAA: Solid filled rectangles (--) SVGA: XAA: Screen-to-screen copy (--) SVGA: XAA: 8x8 color expand pattern fill (--) SVGA: XAA: CPU to screen color expansion (bitmap, TE/NonTE imagetext, TE/NonTE polytext) (--) SVGA: XAA: Using 6 128x128 areas for pixmap caching (--) SVGA: XAA: Caching tiles and stipples (--) SVGA: XAA: General lines and segments System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w 1 -R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -xkm -m us -em1 "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:" -emp "> " -eml "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server" keymap/xfree86 compiled/xfree86.xkm' Fatal server error: Cannot open mouse (No such file or directory) When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). pentium# startx XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: xx November 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 [ELF] Configured drivers: SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 1): NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2, RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, GeForce 256, GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 GTS, GeForce2 GTS (rev1), GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro 2 Pro, GeForce2 MX, GeForce2 MX DDR, Quadro 2 MXR, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b, ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b, ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, r128, ati, sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597, sis5598, sis6326, sis530, sis620, sis300, sis630, sis540, tvga8200lx, tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000, tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, tgui9420dgi, tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660, tgui9680, tgui9682, tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388, cyber9397, cyber9520, cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd, blade3d, cyberblade, clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430, clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464, clgd5465, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543, clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, mgag400, oti067, oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, AP6422, AT24, AT3D, s3_savage, s3_virge, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200, ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546, ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200, ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740, i740_pci, i810, i810-dc100, i810e, Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) (using VT number 9) XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(us)" (overrides other XKB settings) (**) Mouse: type: IntelliMouse, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 (**) Mouse: buttons: 3, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "3DFX Voodoo 3" (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "My Monitor" (--) SVGA: Mode "640x400" needs vert refresh rate of 69.93 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs vert refresh rate of 86.96 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x400" needs hsync freq of 37.86 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 36.46 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 37.50 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 43.27 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 43.92 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 48.36 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 53.01 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 53.51 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 55.84 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 56.48 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 51.02 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 64.02 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 62.50 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 62.42 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 80.21 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "512x384" needs vert refresh rate of 77.97 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "512x384" needs hsync freq of 34.38 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "320x200" needs vert refresh rate of 69.93 Hz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "320x240" needs hsync freq of 39.38 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 37.80 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 39.56 kHz. Deleted. (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 48.00 kHz. Deleted. (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (--) SVGA: PCI: 3Dfx Voodoo3 rev 1, Memory @ 0xfc000000, 0xf0000000, I/O @ 0xdc00 Found 16 MB SDRAM (--) SVGA: chipset: Voodoo3 (--) SVGA: videoram: 16384k (**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666 (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 300.000 MHz (**) SVGA: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 25.175 (**) SVGA: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 36.000 (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1024x768" (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1024x768" from list of valid modes. (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1280x1024" (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1280x1024" from list of valid modes. (--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 800x600 (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024 (--) SVGA: Using XAA (XFree86 Acceleration Architecture) (--) SVGA: XAA: Solid filled rectangles (--) SVGA: XAA: Screen-to-screen copy (--) SVGA: XAA: 8x8 color expand pattern fill (--) SVGA: XAA: CPU to screen color expansion (bitmap, TE/NonTE imagetext, TE/NonTE polytext) (--) SVGA: XAA: Using 6 128x128 areas for pixmap caching (--) SVGA: XAA: Caching tiles and stipples (--) SVGA: XAA: General lines and segments System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w 1 -R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -xkm -m us -em1 "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:" -emp "> " -eml "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server" keymap/xfree86 compiled/xfree86.xkm' Fatal server error: Cannot open mouse (No such file or directory) When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 2: 0:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ltv.rdsor.ro (ltv.rdsor.ro [193.231.238.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03B837B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cosmin@ltv.rdsor.ro) Received: (from cosmin@localhost) by ltv.rdsor.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04430; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:42:02 GMT (envelope-from cosmin) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:42:02 GMT From: cosmin Message-Id: <200107250842.IAA04430@ltv.rdsor.ro> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8.2rel.1 Subject: IMPORTANT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Helo there Y whont ot hel you Y am from Romania Y whont to ofer my server (Some of it's space) becauze y sow theat when y whont to download Frebsd there is no server in Romania sow y toght to sed you this e-mail so theat you coul put me in your server list of Frebsd downloads to be in Romania my server is ltv.rdsor.ro and my E-mail is cosmin@ltv.rdsor.ro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 2:18:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [210.190.142.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDCF37B409; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:18:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.hrslab.yi.org (p3004-ip01funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [61.112.99.4]) by eos.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id SAA28555; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.hrslab.yi.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.hrslab.yi.org (8.9.3/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id SAA86265; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:15 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:13:55 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010725.181355.41632947.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: dima@unixfreak.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20010725061505.43F143E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010725.123115.41632378.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20010725061505.43F143E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b101 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dima Dorfman wrote in <20010725061505.43F143E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org>: dima> Nik coverted all of them to 4.1 and removed DocBook < 4.1 from the dima> dependency list in the docproj port. In other words, anything still dima> using 3.1 will fail to build regardless of whether that custom DTD is dima> there or not. Sorry, I misunderstood. You are right, and I agree to "cvs rm" it. There is no problem in particular, I think. -- | Hiroki Sato | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 2:25:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F82437B406; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010725092513.SVV15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:25:13 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6P9PC854181; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:25:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:25:11 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: cosmin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, ndanl@yahoo.com, hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IMPORTANT Message-ID: <20010725112511.D46731@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Reply-To: hubs@freebsd.org References: <200107250842.IAA04430@ltv.rdsor.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200107250842.IAA04430@ltv.rdsor.ro> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Please note that my english sentences below yours are merely there to help you speak better English, I don't mean to put your English down for you are doing great already. On an aside, you would probably laugh at my attempts of speaking Romanian. :) ] [Also I took the liberty to cc: some other addresses, which I will explain in the email] Buna ziua, -On [20010725 11:04], cosmin (cosmin@ltv.rdsor.ro) wrote: >Helo there Y whont ot hel you [Hello there, I want to help you.] >Y am from Romania Y whont to ofer my server (Some of it's space) [I am from Romania. I want to offer my server (some of its space)] >becauze y sow theat when y whont to download Frebsd there is no [Because I saw that when I want to download FreeBSD there is no] >server in Romania sow y toght to sed you this e-mail so theat [server in Romania, so I thought to send you this email so that] >you coul put me in your server list of Frebsd downloads to be in [you could put me in your server list of FreeBSD downloads to be in] >Romania my server is ltv.rdsor.ro and my E-mail is cosmin@ltv.rdsor.ro [Romania. My server is ltv.rdsor.ro and my E-mail is cosmin@ltv.rdsor.ro] Is this a dedicated server? I mean, this is not just a machine which can disappear quickly (like someone's ADSL/cable uplink)? [Looking at your site www.rdsor.ro it looks like you are a national ISP, so that would probably mean the server is a pretty dedicated machine.] I cc:'d hubs@freebsd.org, since this list is the list on which all the mirror sites discuss things related to the mirroring. They are sure to be able to help you. I cc:'d the other person [Dan], since he is a Romanian person interested in translating the documentation and perhaps website, which would be interesting for you too. Mersi, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ A newborn star of Magic... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 2:26:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE34637B407; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PKx1-000Ou6-00; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:27:31 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Greg Lehey Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ...) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:58:32 +0930." <20010725085832.P75783@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:27:31 +0200 Message-ID: <95733.996053251@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:58:32 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > Then you're missing the point. This is a serious issue. If we're > documenting FreeBSD, we should say so, we shouldn't assume that the > man pages will only be viewed on (the same revision of) FreeBSD. *shrug* I've always been happy with accepting that FreeBSD manuals are intended for use on FreeBSD systems. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 2:38:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A029137B401; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010725093743.WGSA13241.amsmta06-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:37:43 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6P9bPJ54300; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:37:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:37:25 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Dan L. Nica" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: translation in romania Message-ID: <20010725113725.E46731@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010724184815.9532.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> <20010725004101.C459@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010725004101.C459@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As you saw Nik, I sent a private message to Dan and you after he asked me some things on IRC. Didn't spot this one until after I sent the other one. :) Just so other people know we're working on the stuff, helping out, getting better instructions out, etc, etc... -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Belai kasih ingin dimanja dengan cumbuan mesra untuk pelipur lara penawar dik asmara... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 2:52: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ltv.rdsor.ro (ltv.rdsor.ro [193.231.238.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C968E37B401; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:51:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cosmin@ltv.rdsor.ro) Received: from localhost (cosmin@localhost) by ltv.rdsor.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04663; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:32:30 GMT (envelope-from cosmin@ltv.rdsor.ro) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:32:30 +0000 (GMT) From: cosmin To: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, ndanl@yahoo.com Subject: Cosmin In-Reply-To: <20010725112511.D46731@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Iou This server is a server theat is on-line all the time depend of a-n international ISP (the big'set) so it whould have a ok transfer it respons to all the big cities in Romania so it whoul be veri useful and y whould be hepy to help you. Sory for my spelyng but y can't write so good english y speack ok replay em as soon as posibal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 2:59:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AB137B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id MAA03540; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:07:14 +0200 Message-ID: <3B5E98FE.8C961789@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:01:34 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: -=The Vic=- Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can you please review this and help me out References: <3B5E8851.8ECF10FD@wi.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You did not configure /dev/sysmouse. /dev/mouse is a Linuxism, it's not used on BSD systems. To enable mouse support, - /stand/sysinstall -> Configure -> mouse Make sure the mouse works in text mode before you configure X. - Configure your X with /dev/sysmouse as mouse device. HTH -Christoph Sold -=The Vic=- wrote: > > Im a newbie > > thanks > > Please help me > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > pentium# startx > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) > Release Date: xx November 2000 > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is > newer > than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting > problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) > Operating System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 [ELF] > Configured drivers: > SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 1): > NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2, > RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, GeForce 256, > GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 GTS, GeForce2 GTS (rev1), > GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro 2 Pro, GeForce2 MX, GeForce2 MX DDR, > Quadro 2 MXR, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b, > ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b, > ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1, > > wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, r128, > ati, > sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597, > sis5598, sis6326, sis530, sis620, sis300, sis630, sis540, > tvga8200lx, > tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000, > > tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, > tgui9420dgi, > tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660, tgui9680, tgui9682, > > tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388, cyber9397, cyber9520, > cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd, blade3d, > cyberblade, > clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, > clgd5430, > clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464, > clgd5465, > clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, > clgd7543, > clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, > mga2064w, > mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, mgag400, > oti067, > oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, > ali2308, > ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl, > ark1000pv, > ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, AP6422, AT24, AT3D, s3_savage, > s3_virge, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200, > > ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546, > ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200, > ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740, > i740_pci, > i810, i810-dc100, i810e, Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic > Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) > (using VT number 9) > > XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config > (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values > (**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(us)" (overrides other XKB settings) > (**) Mouse: type: IntelliMouse, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 > (**) Mouse: buttons: 3, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) > (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "3DFX Voodoo 3" > (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "My Monitor" > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x400" needs vert refresh rate of 69.93 Hz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs vert refresh rate of 86.96 Hz. Deleted. > > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x400" needs hsync freq of 37.86 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 36.46 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 37.50 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 43.27 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 43.92 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 48.36 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 53.01 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 53.51 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 55.84 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 56.48 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 51.02 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 64.02 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 62.50 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 62.42 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 80.21 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "512x384" needs vert refresh rate of 77.97 Hz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "512x384" needs hsync freq of 34.38 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "320x200" needs vert refresh rate of 69.93 Hz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "320x240" needs hsync freq of 39.38 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 37.80 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 39.56 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 48.00 kHz. Deleted. > (**) FontPath set to > "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" > > (--) SVGA: PCI: 3Dfx Voodoo3 rev 1, Memory @ 0xfc000000, 0xf0000000, I/O > @ 0xdc00 > Found 16 MB SDRAM > (--) SVGA: chipset: Voodoo3 > (--) SVGA: videoram: 16384k > (**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666 > (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 300.000 MHz > (**) SVGA: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 25.175 > (**) SVGA: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 36.000 > (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1024x768" > (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1024x768" from list of valid modes. > (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1280x1024" > (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1280x1024" from list of valid modes. > (--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 800x600 > (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024 > (--) SVGA: Using XAA (XFree86 Acceleration Architecture) > (--) SVGA: XAA: Solid filled rectangles > (--) SVGA: XAA: Screen-to-screen copy > (--) SVGA: XAA: 8x8 color expand pattern fill > (--) SVGA: XAA: CPU to screen color expansion (bitmap, TE/NonTE > imagetext, TE/NonTE polytext) > (--) SVGA: XAA: Using 6 128x128 areas for pixmap caching > (--) SVGA: XAA: Caching tiles and stipples > (--) SVGA: XAA: General lines and segments > System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w 1 -R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb > -xkm -m us -em1 "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:" -emp > "> " -eml "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server" > keymap/xfree86 compiled/xfree86.xkm' > > Fatal server error: > Cannot open mouse (No such file or directory) > > When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > the full server output, not just the last messages > > X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). > pentium# startx > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) > Release Date: xx November 2000 > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is > newer > than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting > problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) > Operating System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 [ELF] > Configured drivers: > SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 1): > NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2, > RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, GeForce 256, > GeForce DDR, Quadro, GeForce2 GTS, GeForce2 GTS (rev1), > GeForce2 Ultra, Quadro 2 Pro, GeForce2 MX, GeForce2 MX DDR, > Quadro 2 MXR, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b, > ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b, > ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, ET6100, et3000, pvga1, > > wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, r128, > ati, > sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215, sis86c225, sis5597, > sis5598, sis6326, sis530, sis620, sis300, sis630, sis540, > tvga8200lx, > tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000, > > tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, > tgui9420dgi, > tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660, tgui9680, tgui9682, > > tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388, cyber9397, cyber9520, > cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd, blade3d, > cyberblade, > clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, > clgd5430, > clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464, > clgd5465, > clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, > clgd7543, > clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, > mga2064w, > mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, mgag400, > oti067, > oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, > ali2308, > ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl, > ark1000pv, > ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, AP6422, AT24, AT3D, s3_savage, > s3_virge, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200, > > ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546, > ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200, > ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740, > i740_pci, > i810, i810-dc100, i810e, Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic > Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0) > (using VT number 9) > > XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config > (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values > (**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(us)" (overrides other XKB settings) > (**) Mouse: type: IntelliMouse, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 > (**) Mouse: buttons: 3, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) > (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "3DFX Voodoo 3" > (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "My Monitor" > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x400" needs vert refresh rate of 69.93 Hz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs vert refresh rate of 86.96 Hz. Deleted. > > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x400" needs hsync freq of 37.86 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 36.46 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 37.50 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 43.27 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 43.92 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 48.36 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "640x480" needs hsync freq of 53.01 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 53.51 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 55.84 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 56.48 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 51.02 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "800x600" needs hsync freq of 64.02 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 62.50 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 62.42 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 64.25 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 70.24 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 70.88 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 74.59 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 75.00 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 76.01 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 80.21 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "512x384" needs vert refresh rate of 77.97 Hz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "512x384" needs hsync freq of 34.38 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "320x200" needs vert refresh rate of 69.93 Hz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "320x240" needs hsync freq of 39.38 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 37.88 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "400x300" needs hsync freq of 48.08 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 37.80 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 39.56 kHz. Deleted. > (--) SVGA: Mode "480x300" needs hsync freq of 48.00 kHz. Deleted. > (**) FontPath set to > "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" > > (--) SVGA: PCI: 3Dfx Voodoo3 rev 1, Memory @ 0xfc000000, 0xf0000000, I/O > @ 0xdc00 > Found 16 MB SDRAM > (--) SVGA: chipset: Voodoo3 > (--) SVGA: videoram: 16384k > (**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666 > (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 300.000 MHz > (**) SVGA: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 25.175 > (**) SVGA: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 36.000 > (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1024x768" > (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1024x768" from list of valid modes. > (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "1280x1024" > (--) SVGA: Removing mode "1280x1024" from list of valid modes. > (--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 800x600 > (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024 > (--) SVGA: Using XAA (XFree86 Acceleration Architecture) > (--) SVGA: XAA: Solid filled rectangles > (--) SVGA: XAA: Screen-to-screen copy > (--) SVGA: XAA: 8x8 color expand pattern fill > (--) SVGA: XAA: CPU to screen color expansion (bitmap, TE/NonTE > imagetext, TE/NonTE polytext) > (--) SVGA: XAA: Using 6 128x128 areas for pixmap caching > (--) SVGA: XAA: Caching tiles and stipples > (--) SVGA: XAA: General lines and segments > System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w 1 -R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb > -xkm -m us -em1 "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:" -emp > "> " -eml "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server" > keymap/xfree86 compiled/xfree86.xkm' > > Fatal server error: > Cannot open mouse (No such file or directory) > > When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send > the full server output, not just the last messages > > X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Freundliche Grüße aus Waiblingen Christoph Sold -- Systemadministrator, i-clue GmbH, Endersbacher Str. 57, 71334 Waiblingen Fon: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-12, Fax: (0 71 51) 9 59 01-55, Mail: so@i-clue.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 3: 0: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AE037B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PA01536386; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0251937B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6P9q9u35284; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200107250952.f6P9q9u35284@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Thorsten Steentjes To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/29215: NIS Section in Handbook should be more detailed Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29215 >Category: docs >Synopsis: NIS Section in Handbook should be more detailed >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jul 25 03:00:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Thorsten Steentjes >Release: 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Section 18.7.4.2 "NIS Servers" of the FreeBSD Handbook needs to be more detailed.The installation of a NIS master server is written like a "step-by-step" tutorial, but there are some missing items. >How-To-Repeat: Install a NIS master server like described in the NIS Servers section and try to update a NIS useraccount, e.g. setting a new password with yppasswd. >Fix: The following steps should be added to the NIS section: - necessary lines in /etc/rc.conf to start ypbind on the NIS server and bind it to the NIS master with the -S option. - delete NIS users from /etc/master.passwd after copying it to /var/yp/master.passwd - it's useful to keep a "normal" useraccount in /etc/master.passwd which is a member of the wheel group for the situation when the ypserv or rpc.yppasswdd dies and you want to logon from a remote machine to become root and restart the server processes. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 3:30:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7C637B40A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PAU1X43387; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from lament.systems.pavilion.net (lament.systems.pavilion.net [212.74.1.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4832237B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben.hughes@uk.easynet.net) Received: by lament.systems.pavilion.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3F4F07C; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:24:14 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <20010725102414.3F4F07C@lament.systems.pavilion.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:24:14 +0100 (BST) From: Ben To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/29216: Updated the cvsup addresses for the UK Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29216 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Updated the cvsup addresses for the UK >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jul 25 03:30:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ben >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: Easynet UK >Environment: System: FreeBSD lament.systems.pavilion.net 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Tue Jul 3 21:13:17 BST 2001 ben@lament.systems.pavilion.net:/data/.usr.obj/usr/src/sys/LAMENT i386 >Description: changed the cvsup UK mirrors to reflect how they actaully are. This may need changing for the other languages, I don't know. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml Mon Jul 23 23:51:32 2001 +++ /home/ben/chapter.sgml Wed Jul 25 11:18:30 2001 @@ -3718,7 +3718,7 @@ cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org (maintainer - joe@pavilion.net) + ftp-admin@plig.net) @@ -3728,7 +3728,7 @@ cvsup3.uk.FreeBSD.org (maintainer - ftp-admin@plig.net) + ben.hughes@uk.easynet.net) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 5:24:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA8D37B40A; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PCJLN70631; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107251219.f6PCJLN70631@freefall.freebsd.org> To: glewis@eyesbeyond.com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/29201: Update for the FreeBSD Java web pages. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Update for the FreeBSD Java web pages. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 25 05:19:14 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Applied, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=29201 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 5:30: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF11037B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PCU1Y72479; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107251230.f6PCU1Y72479@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/29215: NIS Section in Handbook should be more detailed Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/29215; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: Thorsten Steentjes Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/29215: NIS Section in Handbook should be more detailed Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:24:27 -0700 Thorsten Steentjes writes: > >Fix: > The following steps should be added to the NIS section: > - necessary lines in /etc/rc.conf to start ypbind on the NIS server and > bind it to the NIS master with the -S option. This is not true. An NIS server doesn't have to be a client. If this is added, it should make it clear that this is *optional*. Other than that, it seems useful. Care to work up a patch to the DocBook source? :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 6:40:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from core.marcorservices.com (unknown [65.162.133.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97AE37B409 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:39:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elandis@marcorservices.com) Subject: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:28:44 -0400 Message-ID: <13B5FB4710C3FF48B8A0802C7B809BA81724@core.marcorservices.com> Disposition-Notification-To: "Eric Landis" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Index: AcEUdtpVR8VUjCmpTuGGcXLhddJwhA== From: "Eric Landis" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org =20 Eric Landis=20 Mar Cor Services=20 Engineering Dept.=20 Voice: (215)256-9585=20 Fax: (215)256-4551=20 elandis@marcorservices.com =20 Visit us on the web at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 7:34:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B8037B41E for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6PDrS428325 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:53:28 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200107251353.f6PDrS428325@lists.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:53:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: handbook: securing root and staff account Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone else think that this excerpt is not very clear? What is trying to be said here? ### One way to make root accessible is to add appropriate staff accounts to the wheel group (in /etc/group). The staff members placed in the wheel group are allowed to su to root. You should never give staff members native wheel access by putting them in the wheel group in their password entry. Staff accounts should be placed in a staff group, and then added to the wheel group via the /etc/group file. Only those staff members who actually need to have root access should be placed in the wheel group. ### There was some discussion about this. I suspect what is trying to be said above is: Don't do this: mike:*:1009:0::0:0:Mike Rumsey:/home/mike:/usr/local/bin/bash i.e. group id =0 do this: mike:*:1009:1009::0:0:Mike Rumsey:/home/mike:/usr/local/bin/bash wheel:*:0:root,mike It has been said they are saying this: wheel:*:0:root,staff staff:*:20:root,mike Comments? -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 8: 8:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F8637B710; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PPvZ-0001Wt-00; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:21 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:39:39 +0300." <20010725173939.A9482@ark.cris.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:21 +0200 Message-ID: <5882.996072381@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Copied to -doc, since it's appropraite Was Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/design-44bsd Makefile book.sgml fig1.eps fig2.eps freebsd.dsl] On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:39:39 +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > > Woah! Do you have permission from the publisher? > > Hmm... Don't FreeBSD Documentation Project's permissions can be shared > on this translation ? If no -- how we can get such permission ? No way. Don't know how you got that from the license in the document: | The second chapter of the book, The Design and Implementation of the | 4.4BSD Operating System is excerpted here with the permission of the | publisher. No part of it may be further reproduced or distributed | without the publisher's [1] express written permission. The problem is that sole translation rights may have been licensed in some countries. The Japanese translation (completed yet?) was done with permission, but required some investigation with the folks to whom the Japanese translation was licensed. Ciao, Sheldon. [1] Publisher: Peter Gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 8:21:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BA637B95A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA72581; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f6PFIMR16126; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:22 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:22 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain Message-ID: <20010725181822.A15031@ark.cris.net> References: <20010725173939.A9482@ark.cris.net> <5882.996072381@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <5882.996072381@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>; from sheldonh@starjuice.net on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 04:46:21PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 04:46:21PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > Woah! Do you have permission from the publisher? > > > > Hmm... Don't FreeBSD Documentation Project's permissions can be shared > > on this translation ? If no -- how we can get such permission ? > > No way. Don't know how you got that from the license in the document: I sure that there's no Russian or Ukraine Publisher who prints that book. Should I contact Original Publisher for permission ? > | The second chapter of the book, The Design and Implementation of the > | 4.4BSD Operating System is excerpted here with the permission of the > | publisher. No part of it may be further reproduced or distributed > | without the publisher's [1] express written permission. > > The problem is that sole translation rights may have been licensed in > some countries. > > The Japanese translation (completed yet?) was done with permission, but > required some investigation with the folks to whom the Japanese > translation was licensed. > > Ciao, > Sheldon. > > [1] Publisher: Peter Gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 8:29: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f118.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8C537B81E for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tilk_x@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:28:11 -0700 Received: from 213.169.163.180 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:28:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.169.163.180] From: "Tilk ___" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: login ??? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:28:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 15:28:11.0181 (UTC) FILETIME=[69D455D0:01C1151E] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, nice notice, hard work.... but there is miss the first login et password for the first start for newbie as me. thx for your answer. PS : sorry for my bad english _________________________________________________________________ Téléchargez MSN Explorer gratuitement ā l'adresse http://explorer.msn.fr/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 8:32:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56BC37B418 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id RAA06547; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:39:42 +0200 Message-ID: <3B5EE6EA.95EABFE0@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:34:02 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan@langille.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: handbook: securing root and staff account References: <200107251353.f6PDrS428325@lists.unixathome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Langille wrote: > > Does anyone else think that this excerpt is not very clear? What is > trying to be said here? > > ### > One way to make root accessible is to add appropriate staff accounts to > the wheel group (in /etc/group). The staff members placed in the wheel > group are allowed to su to root. You should never give staff members > native wheel access by putting them in the wheel group in their > password entry. Staff accounts should be placed in a staff group, and > then added to the wheel group via the /etc/group file. Only those staff > members who actually need to have root access should be > placed in the wheel group. > ### > > There was some discussion about this. I suspect what is trying to be > said above is: > > Don't do this: > > mike:*:1009:0::0:0:Mike Rumsey:/home/mike:/usr/local/bin/bash > > i.e. group id =0 > > do this: > > mike:*:1009:1009::0:0:Mike Rumsey:/home/mike:/usr/local/bin/bash > > wheel:*:0:root,mike > > It has been said they are saying this: > > wheel:*:0:root,staff > staff:*:20:root,mike > > Comments? I interpret this plainly as mike:*:1009:1000:0::0:0:Mike Rumsey:/home/mike:/usr/local/bin/bash me:*:1010:1000:0::0:0:Sysop Dummy:/home/me:/bin/sh wheel:*:0:mike,me staff:*:1000: Anyhow, both things will have their benefits. Just my EUR.02 -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 8:46:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEF637B409 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id RAA06659; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:54:58 +0200 Message-ID: <3B5EEA7E.C8EBC3A0@i-clue.de> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:49:18 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tilk ___ Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: login ??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tilk ___ wrote: > > hi, > > nice notice, hard work.... but there is miss the first login et password for > the first start for newbie as me. If you installed via /stand/sysinstall, you had the opportunity to add a user account for yourself. After that, you set the root password. Thus, you should know at least two accounts capable to login: root and the account you created for yourself. You forgot to make an account for yourself? Login as root. Start /stand/sysinstall. Choose Configure. Add an user account for yourself. Remember to add your account to the wheel group. You forgot to assign a password to the root account? Login without password. You forgot the password assigned to root? Boot single-user... but that's another story. See FAQ. HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 8:55:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A01637B405; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:55:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PR1c-0001kj-00; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:56:40 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:22 +0300." <20010725181822.A15031@ark.cris.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:56:40 +0200 Message-ID: <6740.996076600@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:22 +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > I sure that there's no Russian or Ukraine Publisher who prints that book. > Should I contact Original Publisher for permission ? Yes. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 8:56:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [210.190.142.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E9E37B409; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.hrslab.yi.org (p3004-ip01funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [61.112.99.4]) by eos.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id AAA10143; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:56:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.hrslab.yi.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.hrslab.yi.org (8.9.3/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id AAA87357; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:51:31 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:49:47 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010726.004947.112631554.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: sheldonh@starjuice.net Cc: phantom@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <5882.996072381@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> References: <20010725173939.A9482@ark.cris.net> <5882.996072381@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b101 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sheldon Hearn wrote in <5882.996072381@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>: sheldonh> The Japanese translation (completed yet?) was done with permission, but sheldonh> required some investigation with the folks to whom the Japanese sheldonh> translation was licensed. Yes, we, Japanese translation team, contacted the copyright holder in Japan and permitted to translate and put it in public. The translation has been finished and I will commit it in a next few days :-) Alexey Zelkin wrote in <20010725181822.A15031@ark.cris.net>: phantom> I sure that there's no Russian or Ukraine Publisher who prints that book. phantom> Should I contact Original Publisher for permission ? Probably you should do so to begin with. In addition, note that the permission to translate the online version of chapter 8 of "The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide" (books/corp-net-guide) must also become clear. We has already investigated it, too. -- | Hiroki Sato | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 9: 5:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F96F37B63D; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PRAg-0001oR-00; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:06:02 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Hiroki Sato Cc: phantom@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:49:47 +0900." <20010726.004947.112631554.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:06:02 +0200 Message-ID: <6970.996077162@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:49:47 +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > Yes, we, Japanese translation team, contacted the copyright holder > in Japan and permitted to translate and put it in public. > The translation has been finished and I will commit it in a next few days :-) Just to clarify, the contact with the copyright holder in Japan was organized by Peter Gordon, the representative of AW USA. Rather than hunting around for local copyright holders, folks should just contact Peter as indicated by the license information in the document. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 9:37:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18A937B405; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:37:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6P4HkS02319; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:17:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:16:25 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Hiroki Sato Cc: dima@unixfreak.org, doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? Message-ID: <20010725051625.D452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010725.123115.41632378.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8nsIa27JVQLqB7/C" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725.123115.41632378.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp>; from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:31:15PM +0900 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --8nsIa27JVQLqB7/C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:31:15PM +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > Dima Dorfman wrote > in <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org>: >=20 > dima> Is there any reason not to remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? This= is > dima> our custom DTD for DocBook 3.1, which we no longer use, or install = as > dima> part of the docproj port. >=20 > Many translated docs still depend on DocBook V3.1 DTD, > so please keep it intact until all of them are switched over to 4.1 DTD. The one's in the doc/ tree shouldn't. I fixed them all. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --8nsIa27JVQLqB7/C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjteSBkACgkQk6gHZCw343UO5wCeM6F+WFRmlX4AIltUNVHmHtF6 VSQAnRUQg0h/q4Xb0Cpwm/CAARu2xjAi =QjjC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8nsIa27JVQLqB7/C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 9:40:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD7637B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PGeJ228532; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107251640.f6PGeJ228532@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Thorsten Steentjes Subject: Re: docs/29215: NIS Section in Handbook should be more detailed Reply-To: Thorsten Steentjes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/29215; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Thorsten Steentjes To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/29215: NIS Section in Handbook should be more detailed Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:30:46 +0200 Am Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:24:27AM -0700, schrieb Dima Dorfman : > > This is not true. An NIS server doesn't have to be a client. If this > is added, it should make it clear that this is *optional*. > This is very true, it's a optional but very useful feature. > Other than that, it seems useful. Care to work up a patch to the > DocBook source? :-) > Sure, just give me a little time to write a patch cause I'm very busy these days. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 9:43:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE99537B405; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PGUoQ08192; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:30:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:29:29 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Sheldon Hearn , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain Message-ID: <20010725172929.H452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010725173939.A9482@ark.cris.net> <5882.996072381@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <20010725181822.A15031@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xQmOcGOVkeO43v2v" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725181822.A15031@ark.cris.net>; from phantom@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 06:18:22PM +0300 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --xQmOcGOVkeO43v2v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 06:18:22PM +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 04:46:21PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > > Woah! Do you have permission from the publisher? > > >=20 > > > Hmm... Don't FreeBSD Documentation Project's permissions can be shared > > > on this translation ? If no -- how we can get such permission ? > >=20 > > No way. Don't know how you got that from the license in the document: >=20 > I sure that there's no Russian or Ukraine Publisher who prints that book. > Should I contact Original Publisher for permission ? Absolutely. For the record, I think it's great the Russian team have done this. All we need now is permission for them to do this :-) N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --xQmOcGOVkeO43v2v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjte8+gACgkQk6gHZCw343UgRgCfbeBAIZHr4jb4UdC4ZW1wMDXQ ShUAmwXpcYQ3ipoCAZPZDJSnD8HpMfmE =Cgl2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xQmOcGOVkeO43v2v-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 9:43:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B3837B409; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PGYjl08205; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:34:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:33:14 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? Message-ID: <20010725173314.I452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010724184034.A24746@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010725061245.170603E32@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7IgncvKP0CVPV/ZZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725061245.170603E32@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:12:45PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --7IgncvKP0CVPV/ZZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:12:45PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > Maybe turn it in to a port? >=20 > A port for one file sounds like overkill. Besides, where would it be > installed? =20 ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/freebsd-docbook/3.1/freebsd.dtd Actually, the other FreeBSD DTDs should go in there as ports as well, for people that are interested in them. I think there are extant ports that show how to port something that's checked out of a CVS tree, so I'll take a look at those. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --7IgncvKP0CVPV/ZZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEUEARECAAYFAjte9MkACgkQk6gHZCw343VLaQCY/5AS4nFAoSqJ9xty73FMLHwO JwCfd4lF0NrYB9xLOAXPH613tL5UY/k= =K4DG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7IgncvKP0CVPV/ZZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 9:46:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from beethoven.intrasphere.com (unknown [65.194.43.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A269B37B409; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kurt.Miller@IntraSphere.com) Received: by BEETHOVEN with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: <754DB4D7FA19D311B49800902746010701331982@BEETHOVEN> From: Kurt Miller To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "'knu@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Broken Web CVS Repository for OpenBSD Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:42:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI: This page does not contain all of the OpenBSD source directories: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/?cvsroot=openbsd Most importantly it is missing the sys sub tree... Thanks, Kurt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 9:57:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C2637B415; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (ns2.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA85026; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:57:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f6PGvXq31123; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:57:33 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:57:33 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Nik Clayton Cc: Hiroki Sato , dima@unixfreak.org, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? Message-ID: <20010725195733.A28563@ark.cris.net> References: <20010724115514.BE5283E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010725.123115.41632378.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20010725051625.D452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20010725051625.D452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:16:25AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:16:25AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > dima> Is there any reason not to remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? This is > > dima> our custom DTD for DocBook 3.1, which we no longer use, or install as > > dima> part of the docproj port. > > > > Many translated docs still depend on DocBook V3.1 DTD, > > so please keep it intact until all of them are switched over to 4.1 DTD. > > The one's in the doc/ tree shouldn't. I fixed them all. Japanese porters-handbook still uses V3.1 DTD. Also there's a note about 3.1 DTD's in French fdp-primer and at line 49 of en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/examples/appendix.sgml mention that all examples in appendix are DocBook 3.1 DTD based (which is clearly wrong, as I see) :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 9:59:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5180837B403; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (ns2.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA85155; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:59:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f6PGwom31224; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:58:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:58:50 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Nik Clayton Cc: Sheldon Hearn , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain Message-ID: <20010725195850.B28563@ark.cris.net> References: <20010725173939.A9482@ark.cris.net> <5882.996072381@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <20010725181822.A15031@ark.cris.net> <20010725172929.H452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20010725172929.H452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:29:29PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:29:29PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > > Woah! Do you have permission from the publisher? > > > > > > > > Hmm... Don't FreeBSD Documentation Project's permissions can be shared > > > > on this translation ? If no -- how we can get such permission ? > > > > > > No way. Don't know how you got that from the license in the document: > > > > I sure that there's no Russian or Ukraine Publisher who prints that book. > > Should I contact Original Publisher for permission ? > > Absolutely. For the record, I think it's great the Russian team have > done this. All we need now is permission for them to do this :-) I already wrote to Peter. Let's wait for result. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 10: 1:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A2637B401; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC153E2F; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:01:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd? In-Reply-To: <20010725173314.I452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:33:14 +0100" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:01:16 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010725170116.ADC153E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton writes: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:12:45PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > > Maybe turn it in to a port? > > > > A port for one file sounds like overkill. Besides, where would it be > > installed? =20 > > ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/freebsd-docbook/3.1/freebsd.dtd > > Actually, the other FreeBSD DTDs should go in there as ports as well, > for people that are interested in them. I think there are extant ports > that show how to port something that's checked out of a CVS tree, so > I'll take a look at those. I'll do the ports if you'd like. Did you have one large freebsd-docbook-stuff port in mind, or many individial ports? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 10: 7:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC5A37B405; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PS8v-0002S9-00; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:17 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:58:50 +0300." <20010725195850.B28563@ark.cris.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:16 +0200 Message-ID: <9432.996080896@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:58:50 +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > I already wrote to Peter. Let's wait for result. I would be _very_ surprised if you don't get permission. Thanks for doing the translation work. I really think this Chapter of the book provides an excellent part of the kernel half of the answer to the question "What is BSD Unix?" Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 10:12: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CF437B406; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99213E28; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:11:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Kurt Miller Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'knu@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: Broken Web CVS Repository for OpenBSD In-Reply-To: <754DB4D7FA19D311B49800902746010701331982@BEETHOVEN>; from Kurt.Miller@IntraSphere.com on "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:42:39 -0400" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:11:54 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010725171154.E99213E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kurt Miller writes: > FYI: This page does not contain all of the OpenBSD source directories: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/?cvsroot=openbsd > > Most importantly it is missing the sys sub tree... OpenBSD screwed around with their repository a week ago or so, and some of the cvsup servers are still not caught up. Patience, it will fix itself pretty soon (unless somebody removed the crontab for cvsup, but I doubt that). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 10:26:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA63537B403; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA88019; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:26:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f6PHPoC35722; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:25:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:25:50 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4BSD Book's Chapter 2 is NOT public Domain Message-ID: <20010725202550.A31763@ark.cris.net> References: <20010725195850.B28563@ark.cris.net> <9432.996080896@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <9432.996080896@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>; from sheldonh@starjuice.net on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:08:16PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:08:16PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > I already wrote to Peter. Let's wait for result. > > I would be _very_ surprised if you don't get permission. Hope so. :-) > Thanks for doing the translation work. Actually credit for translation should go to Andrey Zakhvatov . I made only technical work (like grammar cleanup, sgml structure fixes, etc) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 13:43:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [205.230.22.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2CA37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PKN1011265 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:23:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:21:41 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Handbook at iUniverse.com Message-ID: <20010725212141.M452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hnsKUeImFCk/igEn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --hnsKUeImFCk/igEn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's something I discovered by accident. Go to www.iuniverse.com. Click on the "Bookstore" link on the left hand side. Then search for "FreeBSD". . . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --hnsKUeImFCk/igEn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtfKlUACgkQk6gHZCw343XfxACfVzmUQKITkGyLOVLog3h6PdCN h0IAn2wNtNRdnjKsPK+Pik49nhTVTiMr =foYR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hnsKUeImFCk/igEn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 13:57:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B5637B407; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 1E76B55407; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED9851610; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:53:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: Nik Clayton Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD Handbook at iUniverse.com In-Reply-To: <20010725212141.M452@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-07-25, Nik Clayton scribbled: # Here's something I discovered by accident. Go to www.iuniverse.com. # Click on the "Bookstore" link on the left hand side. Then search for # "FreeBSD". . . Interesting :) Too bad they don't bundle the four parts into a suite (a la Microsoft or Cisco style). I kind of like having a paper version to reference from... but I still prefer the electronic form to work from if I need help on less than a moment's notice. Probably another reason why I have several machines mirroring www.FreeBSD.org within our internal network segments. hehe -- Linh Pham [lplist@closedsrc.org] // 404b - Brain not found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 16:40:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4C037B403; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A70386ACC4; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:10:30 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:10:30 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ...) Message-ID: <20010726091030.R42993@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010725085832.P75783@wantadilla.lemis.com> <95733.996053251@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <95733.996053251@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>; from sheldonh@starjuice.net on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 11:27:31AM +0200 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 25 July 2001 at 11:27:31 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:58:32 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> Then you're missing the point. This is a serious issue. If we're >> documenting FreeBSD, we should say so, we shouldn't assume that the >> man pages will only be viewed on (the same revision of) FreeBSD. > > *shrug* > > I've always been happy with accepting that FreeBSD manuals are intended > for use on FreeBSD systems. If that works for you, fine. I've demonstrated that it doesn't work for everybody. Do you see a disadvantage in having man pages contain an explicit reference to the name of the system for which they're intended? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 16:48:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88AE37B405; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:48:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PYPE-0000yP-00; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:49:32 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Greg Lehey Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ...) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:10:30 +0930." <20010726091030.R42993@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:49:32 +0200 Message-ID: <3744.996104972@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:10:30 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > If that works for you, fine. I've demonstrated that it doesn't work > for everybody. Do you see a disadvantage in having man pages contain > an explicit reference to the name of the system for which they're > intended? Name, no. Version, yes. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 16:53:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7083737B403; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F6EE6ACC3; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:23:29 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:23:29 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ...) Message-ID: <20010726092329.A21070@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010726091030.R42993@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3744.996104972@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3744.996104972@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za>; from sheldonh@starjuice.net on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 01:49:32AM +0200 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 26 July 2001 at 1:49:32 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:10:30 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> If that works for you, fine. I've demonstrated that it doesn't work >> for everybody. Do you see a disadvantage in having man pages contain >> an explicit reference to the name of the system for which they're >> intended? > > Name, no. Version, yes. And it would be? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 17: 2:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.seasidesoftware.co.za (axl.seasidesoftware.co.za [196.31.7.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85F637B401; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@starjuice.net) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.seasidesoftware.co.za) by axl.seasidesoftware.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PYcd-0001SX-00; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:03:23 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Greg Lehey Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Mike Pritchard , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bin/cp cp.1 src/bin/df df.1 src/bin/domainname domainname.1 src/bin/hostname hostname.1 src/bin/ln ln.1 symlink.7 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/ps ps.1 src/bin/pwd pwd.1 realpath.1 src/bin/rcp rcp.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 src/bin/sh/bltin echo.1 ...) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:23:29 +0930." <20010726092329.A21070@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:03:23 +0200 Message-ID: <5612.996105803@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:23:29 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Name, no. Version, yes. > > And it would be? Sorry, I thought that was obvious. Providing operating system version as an argument to .Os means a full commit-sweep of the manual page domain for every release. No way. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 17:27: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.speakeasy.net (mail5.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E8A837B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 80582 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 00:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jul 2001 00:26:52 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5612.996105803@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:26:37 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: Which OS does a man page come from? (was: cvs commit: src/bi Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Pritchard , Ruslan Ermilov , Greg Lehey Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Jul-01 Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:23:29 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> > Name, no. Version, yes. >> >> And it would be? > > Sorry, I thought that was obvious. > > Providing operating system version as an argument to .Os means a full > commit-sweep of the manual page domain for every release. No way. Not if you use ranges: .Os FreeBSD 5.0+ .Os FreeBSD 2.2-3.x etc. You only set the version when you first add a new API or whatever (using +) and update it when you deprecate teh API or driver or whatever. However, this does have a large initial overhead in the form of one massive tree sweep. I would like for just the name to be present, however. > Ciao, > Sheldon. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 25 23:43:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B7C37B408 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:43:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010726064338.JQAA15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org> for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:43:38 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6Q6Vfs65555 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:31:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:31:41 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Slight HEADS UP to the translators Message-ID: <20010726083141.O46731@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am currently, as you might have seen, fixing broken links all over the website. Some of the problems lie in the fact that the document in question has not yet been translated. And maybe it was not even intended to be translated. Could you guys please check what I fix and then either translate the English document (hey, I can always try :) ) or let me know it is ok. Good idea I just thought of is the marking of links which point to the English versions something like this: Restricciones de redistribución de los ports de FreeBSD [English] So your user knows he's leaving towards an English version. Just a thought. :) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ For dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 26 3:44:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx3.port.ru (mx3.port.ru [194.67.57.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C25C37B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:44:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evg_dolgop@mail.ru) Received: from f6.int ([10.0.0.58] helo=f6.mail.ru) by mx3.port.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 15Pici-000GU2-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:44:08 +0400 Received: from mail by f6.mail.ru with local (Exim 3.14 #1) id 15Pica-0006si-00 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:44:00 +0400 Received: from [212.1.232.60] by win.mail.port.ru with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:44:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "Evgeny Dolgopyat" To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Documentation about roff. Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [212.1.232.60] Reply-To: "Evgeny Dolgopyat" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:44:00 +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody knows good documentation about roff and -man macroses, with used in man pages? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 26 5:50:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1707037B40C for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6QCoTd24331; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAEA37B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6QCnCO24089; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200107261249.f6QCnCO24089@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:49:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Bishop To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/29242: freebsd-cluster isn't mentioned in the Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29242 >Category: docs >Synopsis: freebsd-cluster isn't mentioned in the Handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 26 05:50:28 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bob Bishop >Release: n/a >Organization: GID ltd >Environment: www.freebsd.org >Description: Appendix C.1 in the Handbook omits freebsd-cluster from the list of mailing lists >How-To-Repeat: Browse http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 26 8:20:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4818537B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6QFK4V61769; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from wally.eecs.harvard.edu (new-wally.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4B437B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ada@wally.eecs.harvard.edu) Received: (from ada@localhost) by wally.eecs.harvard.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6QFIe835157; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:18:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ada) Message-Id: <200107261518.f6QFIe835157@wally.eecs.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ada@bsd.org Reply-To: ada@bsd.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/29245: top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29245 >Category: docs >Synopsis: top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 26 08:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD wally.eecs.harvard.edu 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #1: Wed Jul 25 17:41:51 EDT 2001 root@wally.eecs.harvard.edu:/usr/src-4.3-release/sys/compile/WALLY i386 >Description: The top manpage doesn't describe the cpu affinity column in top, nor does it describe the CPU0/CPU1 states. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 26 12: 6:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.tecnomen.ie (neptune.tecnomen.ie [193.120.120.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE6937B403 for ; 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Greenblatt" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: mwm@mired.org Subject: FreeBSD Handbook mkisofs(8) and cdrecord(1) references References: <3B60AB66.A795DA27@mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Handbook section on Creating CDs ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-cds.html ) references man pages for mkisofs(8) and cdrecord(1). Unfortunately, these man pages, since they're for programs from the ports collection, aren't currently part of the online man system. Is there a standard method/location for man references to programs in the ports collection? If so, what is the proper way to create references to documentation for ports programs such as those listed above? If there isn't currently a standard location for ports man pages would there be strong objection (for historical reasons, technical reasons, etc) to adding a new man section specifically for programs from the ports collection? (Apologies if this is an idea that's already been flamed to death) Thanks, Marshall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 27 10:35:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from purus.tcoip (unknown [200.199.244.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D333037B401; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br) Received: from tcoip.com.br (q0dqi0ho7bndx1ht@dcs.tcoip.com.br [192.168.60.194]) by purus.tcoip (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6RHUkA14466; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:30:46 -0300 Message-ID: <3B61A545.4010803@tcoip.com.br> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:30:45 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010705 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Shawn Ramsey , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashing every two hours! References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010727073615.029e9058@192.168.0.12> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 09:55 PM 7/26/2001 -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > >> I just upgraded one of our servers from 4.1.1. That server had never > > > > Can you provide some more details about hardware, kernel config etc ? > Also, see the handbook on how to provide a crash dump. With that info, > people might be able to better diagnose what your problem is. That information is no longer in the handbook. Now it can only be found in the developers-handbook. Alas, let me take this opportunity to complain about this lousy idea. Normal users, much more than developers, need the information on how to compile a kernel to provide the information, how to extract such information, and what to extract. Sure, a developer can understand better and do things like select the appropriate frame and display the appropriate variables, but compiling a kernel for debug symbols, locating the crash dumps, calling gdb on them with symbol table and typing "list" and "bt" helps a lot already, and the user can then be further instructed in what to do. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net They can't stop us... we're on a mission from God! -- The Blues Brothers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 27 14:31:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fadeto.blackened.com (fadeto.blackened.com [198.182.76.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A71637B403 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from logo@fadeto.blackened.com) Received: from localhost (logo@localhost) by fadeto.blackened.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6RLVS411795 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:31:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from logo@fadeto.blackened.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:31:28 -0700 (MST) From: Valentino Vaschetto To: Subject: key images in handbook Message-ID: <20010727141810.N11525-100000@fadeto.blackened.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, What do you guys think that if instead of in the handbook where there is "Ctrl + Shift + 3" or something, so have it come up as little graphical representations of those keys. I did a little test of this at: http://fadeto.blackened.com/~logo/handbook/dialout.html ^^ check out 16.5.9 I admit it I spent more time on the images to make them a bit smaller so they would'nt mess with the formating of the paragraph it would look a bit better, but.. I didnt because I wasnt sure if I should even keep going with this. So, tell me what you think.. maybe instead of having these images in the html version, we could have them only enabled in the ps format? Any responce is welcomed :). -val To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 27 14:50:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D4037B401 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id E3CE14B658; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:57:14 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Valentino Vaschetto Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: key images in handbook Message-ID: <20010727145714.B6166@mao.stokely.org> References: <20010727141810.N11525-100000@fadeto.blackened.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010727141810.N11525-100000@fadeto.blackened.com>; from logo@fadeto.blackened.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:31:28PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:31:28PM -0700, Valentino Vaschetto wrote: > What do you guys think that if instead of in the handbook where there is > "Ctrl + Shift + 3" or something, so have it come up as little graphical > representations of those keys. I did a little test of this at: Hey Val, I think these look pretty good for a first try. We will need .eps versions of these files for them to be useful for the print output. Other than that, I think it would make a fine addition as a tuneable knob (off by default?). I'm interested in hearing what others have to say, though. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 27 16:29:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from services.ENG.BSDI.COM (services.ENG.BSDI.COM [206.196.44.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC8637B401 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgl@forge.ENG.BSDI.COM) Received: from forge.ENG.BSDI.COM (forge.eng.bsdi.com [206.196.44.66]) by services.ENG.BSDI.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03172; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:30:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from dgl@localhost) by forge.ENG.BSDI.COM (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA03155; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:29:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:29:26 -0500 From: "Deborah G. Lidl" To: Valentino Vaschetto Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: key images in handbook Message-ID: <20010727182926.A3115@bsdi.com> References: <20010727141810.N11525-100000@fadeto.blackened.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010727141810.N11525-100000@fadeto.blackened.com>; from logo@fadeto.blackened.com on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:31:28PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:31:28PM -0700, Valentino Vaschetto said: > What do you guys think that if instead of in the handbook where there is > "Ctrl + Shift + 3" or something, so have it come up as little graphical > representations of those keys. I did a little test of this at: > > http://fadeto.blackened.com/~logo/handbook/dialout.html > ^^ check out 16.5.9 > > So, tell me what you think.. maybe instead of having these images in the > html version, we could have them only enabled in the ps format? Allow me to unlurk for a few minutes and recommend against this. Whether on a printed page or viewed on-line through a browser or PDF viewer, one or two items in a KeyCap font are OK. As soon as you have multiple keys represented in a KeyCap font, it looks like someone dropped little boxes on the page. Your eye is drawn to the graphics, not the text and the meaning conveyed by the text. The same thing is true of using trademark symbols or icons for tips or other other items. Consider what section 1.2 (Welcome to FreeBSD) of the Handbook would look like if it had FreeBSD(R) everywhere. Also, you generally need fairly a fairly large KeyCap font size, say around 14pt, or a reasonably large graphics to make it readable. This doesn't look so great when your other text is 12pt or smaller. At this point, most people using FreeBSD should be familiar with what the various keys on the keyboard look like. So the visual cues aren't necessary for learning those elements. I wish I had usability study that I could point to to back up these comments. I don't. And I didn't search very hard for any either :-) That said, there is a fair amount of anecdotal evidence about how KeyCap fonts in regular text detract from the readability. All this said, if you do add this support, definitely use a knob, and have it disabled by default. Cheers, Debbie -- Deborah G. Lidl Toll free: 1.888.849.2734 deborah.lidl@windriver.com Wind River Phone: 1.301.765.7945 http://www.windriver.com Fax: 1.301.765.7946 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 27 16:58:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D931B37B403; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:58:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 0DF844B658; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 17:04:40 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Nik Clayton Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Handbook print output abnormality Message-ID: <20010727170439.D6166@mao.stokely.org> References: <20010719201147.O34971@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010720085635.B72421@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010720085635.B72421@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:56:35AM +0100 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:56:35AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > OpenJade in the ports tree doesn't do this, but the one in the OpenJade > CVS repository does. Go to I was just about to mail the maintainer of jade with a patch and then I realized that someone beat me to it. The patch is included with the debian patch set which is listed in the PATCHFILES. Once again, I just hadn't updated this part of my doc toolchain in far too long. I've just verified that all of those directory listings with r--r--r-- and every other occurrence of '--' are now built properly. Thanks, - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 27 20:24:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1AE37B405 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id BD0454B658; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 20:30:32 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Mike Tancsa , Shawn Ramsey , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashing every two hours! Message-ID: <20010727203032.G6166@mao.stokely.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010727073615.029e9058@192.168.0.12> <3B61A545.4010803@tcoip.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B61A545.4010803@tcoip.com.br>; from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:30:45PM -0300 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:30:45PM -0300, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > That information is no longer in the handbook. Now it can only be found > in the developers-handbook. Alas, let me take this opportunity to complain > about this lousy idea. Normal users, much more than developers, need > the information on how to compile a kernel to provide the information, > how to extract such information, and what to extract. We still have an entire chapter devoted to helping users compile their kernel in the Handbook. The "Kernel Debugging" chapter that the user was referring to contains the following sections : 11 Kernel Debugging 11.1 Debugging a Kernel Crash Dump with gdb 11.2 Debugging a Crash Dump with DDD 11.3 Post-Mortem Analysis of a Dump 11.4 On-Line Kernel Debugging Using DDB 11.5 On-Line Kernel Debugging Using Remote GDB 11.6 Debugging Loadable Modules Using GDB 11.7 Debugging a Console Driver Now, given that : a) The goal is to split up the Handbook into smaller books anyway, rather than the 750 page behemoth we have now. b) With the exception of maybe one section from above that could move into the Handbook, this information is very clearly geared to those doing actual kernel development. c) Nik proposed this move in May on -doc, and not a single person objected. I think it was very clearly the right thing to do to move this chapter into the Developer's Handbook. If you want to write a section on how to submit a good bug report to developers, then it would certainly be welcomed (a section in the "How to Contribute" chapter?), but I will have to respectfully disagree that this entire chapter belongs in the Handbook. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 0:50: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.wi.rr.com (fe6.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE92537B405 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:49:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jvictoria@wi.rr.com) Received: from wi.rr.com ([24.160.249.179]) by mail6.wi.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:49:59 -0500 Message-ID: <3B626EFD.823DEBD4@wi.rr.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 02:51:25 -0500 From: -=The Vic=- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Did I install this wrong Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks in advance GnomeUI-WARNING **: Could not open help topics file NULL Gtk-WARNING **: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 65527 and height 1 getting servant data 0x815a8c0 from window 0x811a280 GNOME Help-DEBUG: CORBA user exception: IDL:omg.org/CosNaming/NamingContext/NotFound:1.0. ICE error: Offending minor opcode = 7 (ProtocolSetup) Offending sequence number = 5 Error class = SetupFailed ICE error: Offending minor opcode = 7 (ProtocolSetup) Severity = FatalToProtocol Offending sequence number = 5 Reason : A session shutdown is in progress. ICE error: Offending minor opcode = 7 (ProtocolSetup) Error class = SetupFailed Offending sequence number = 5 Severity = FatalToProtocol Error class = SetupFailed Reason : A session shutdown is in progress. Severity = FatalToProtocol Reason : A session shutdown is in progress. ** WARNING **: There was trouble with the name server. aborting... ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 1521, errno = 0 waiting for X server to shut down X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). GdkGdk-Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). -WARNING **: WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x340002d unexpectedly destroyedGdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). GdkWindow 0x380001b unexpectedly destroyed GdkGdk--WARNING **: WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3400007 unexpectedly destroyedGdkWindow 0x380001a unexpectedly destroyed Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3800008 unexpectedly destroyed Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). LibGTop-Server: Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Gdk-ERROR **: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). pid 1667 received eof. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 4:22:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D0737B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 04:22:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA12193 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:22:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id NAA00862 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:17:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:17:38 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: update of the japanese handbook failed Message-ID: <20010728131738.A760@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from Cron Daemon ----- Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:26:07 -0700 (PDT) From: wosch@FreeBSD.org (Cron Daemon) To: wosch@FreeBSD.org cp /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/../../../share/misc/docbook.css /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/docbook.css /usr/local/bin/jade -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -V nochunks -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/article.sgml > article.html || (rm -f article.html && false) tidy -i -m -f /dev/null -raw article.html Can't open "/home/wosch/.tidyrc" *** Error code 1 (ignored) /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/articles/zip-drive/article.sgml tidy -i -m -f /dev/null -raw `xargs < HTML.manifest` Can't open "/home/wosch/.tidyrc" *** Error code 1 (ignored) (cd /c/www/build/www/ja/tutorials/../../../doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook && make 'FORMATS=html html-split' DESTDIR=/home/wosch/public_html/data/ja/porters-handbook all) touch index.sgml cp /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/../../../share/misc/docbook.css /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/docbook.css /usr/local/bin/jade -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -V nochunks -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/freebsd.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml > book.html || (rm -f book.html && false) /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/freebsd.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml (cd /c/www/build/www/ja/tutorials/../../../doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer && make 'FORMATS=html html-split' DESTDIR=/home/wosch/public_html/data/ja/tutorials/ppp all) touch index.sgml cp /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/../../../share/misc/docbook.css /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/docbook.css /usr/local/bin/jade -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -V nochunks -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/book.sgml > book.html || (rm -f book.html && false) tidy -i -m -f /dev/null -raw book.html Can't open "/home/wosch/.tidyrc" *** Error code 1 (ignored) /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer/book.sgml tidy -i -m -f /dev/null -raw `xargs < HTML.manifest` Can't open "/home/wosch/.tidyrc" *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> ../ja/FAQ (cd ../../../doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq && make 'FORMATS=html-split html' DESTDIR=/home/wosch/public_html/data/ja/FAQ all) touch index.sgml cp /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/../../../share/misc/docbook.css /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/docbook.css /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/book.sgml /usr/local/bin/jade -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -V nochunks -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq/book.sgml > book.html || (rm -f book.html && false) ===> ../ja/handbook (cd ../../../doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook && make FORMATS=html-split DESTDIR=/home/wosch/public_html/data/ja/handbook all) touch index.sgml cp /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/../../../share/misc/docbook.css /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/docbook.css /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -i chap.advanced-networking -i chap.backups -i chap.basics -i chap.bibliography -i chap.boot -i chap.contrib -i chap.cutting-edge -i chap.disks -i chap.eresources -i chap.install -i chap.introduction -i chap.kernelconfig -i chap.kernelopts -i chap.l10n -i chap.linuxemu -i chap.mail -i chap.mirrors -i chap.pgpkeys -i chap.ppp-and-slip -i chap.printing -i chap.security -i chap.serialcomms -i chap.sound -i chap.staff -i chap.users -i chap.x11 -i chap.ports -i chap.jcontrib -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/../../../ja_JP.eucJP/share/sgml/catalog -c /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/book.sgml /usr/local/bin/jade:/c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook/backups/chapter.sgml:136:12:X: reference to non-existent ID "BACKUPS-TAPEBACKUPS-MINI" *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook. *** Error code 1 Stop in 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Yours sincerely, WORLD1-WEB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 5:32:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0485A37B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 05:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010728123243.GKFH15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:32:43 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6SCQ3b93907; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:26:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:26:03 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: -=The Vic=- Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Did I install this wrong Message-ID: <20010728142603.Q65558@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <3B626EFD.823DEBD4@wi.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3B626EFD.823DEBD4@wi.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010728 10:00], -=The Vic=- (jvictoria@wi.rr.com) wrote: >Thanks in advance [snip bunch of gnome/gtk error/warning messages] No idea. Us at -doc don't meddle with this sort of stuff, try asking on ports, questions of even on the Gnome lists. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ I realise that nothing's as it seems... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 6:36:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hammy.kfs.org (flibbleworld-13.dsl.easynet.co.uk [212.135.176.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A8037B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 06:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@hammy.kfs.org) Received: (from root@localhost) by hammy.kfs.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6SDYw714230; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:34:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from root) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:34:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107281334.f6SDYw714230@hammy.kfs.org> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8.4dev.19 X-Personal_Name: : Oliver Smith From: oliver@kfs.org Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As someone who was just setting up a fresh FreeBSD box, it occurs to me that the route to discovering how to handle 'cvsup' for ports etc is not as friendly as it could be. Could the Makefile for ports and src etc not point the user to cvsupit as a way to get themselves configured for updating their ports/src trees? Or perhaps to the apropriate part of the handbook? Just seems we could make folks lives a lot easier this way? Oliver To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 10:10:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6217E37B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 10:10:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta03-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with ESMTP id <20010728171006.ICGI15737.amsmta03-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:10:06 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6SHA5095909; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:10:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:10:05 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Deborah G. Lidl" Cc: Valentino Vaschetto , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: key images in handbook Message-ID: <20010728191005.S65558@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010727141810.N11525-100000@fadeto.blackened.com> <20010727182926.A3115@bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010727182926.A3115@bsdi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010728 01:30], Deborah G. Lidl (deborah.lidl@windriver.com) wrote: [replace key combinations with visual representations] >Allow me to unlurk for a few minutes and recommend against this. You are allowed. :) >Whether on a printed page or viewed on-line through a browser or PDF >viewer, one or two items in a KeyCap font are OK. As soon as you have >multiple keys represented in a KeyCap font, it looks like someone >dropped little boxes on the page. Your eye is drawn to the graphics, >not the text and the meaning conveyed by the text. Agreed. >The same thing is true of using trademark symbols or icons for tips or >other other items. Consider what section 1.2 (Welcome to FreeBSD) of >the Handbook would look like if it had FreeBSD(R) everywhere. That basically why you dedicate trademark and registered trademark at the start so that you're done with it and can concentrate on just using the normal word without any special symbols. Icons for tips are an annoyance indeed. Often they are captioned with a small cartoon, which totally distracts from the text. A warning or caution on the other hand _needs_ to pull in the reader's attention. A sidebar might be more useful instead of a `Tip' icon and less disturbing for the text. >At this point, most people using FreeBSD should be familiar with what >the various keys on the keyboard look like. So the visual cues aren't >necessary for learning those elements. I think the assumption for the scope is that the audience at least has prior computer experience and know how to seperate a mouse from a keyboard. >I wish I had usability study that I could point to to back up these >comments. I don't. And I didn't search very hard for any either :-) >That said, there is a fair amount of anecdotal evidence about how >KeyCap fonts in regular text detract from the readability. A bunch of my technical writing books all show examples of warning/caution, complete with icons and such, one uses tips with icons as well, but in comparison with the other books you notice how it distracts. They all use sidebars to provide additional information which just didn't fit in with the text, but does touch the topic at hand. >All this said, if you do add this support, definitely use a knob, and >have it disabled by default. I would like to remark I'd rather not have the key images used. But as Debbie eloquently said, if they need to be done, make a knob and default its use to off. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Dreams are like Angels, they keep bad at bay, bad at bay, Love is the Light, scaring Darkness away... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 13:20: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E20C37B405 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6SKK1H83302; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654D937B401 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from p@i609.hadiko.de) Received: from nce2.hadiko.de (hadince2.hadiko.uni-karlsruhe.de [172.20.32.2]) by mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 15QaTv-00075L-00; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:14:39 +0200 Received: from i609.hadiko.de (hadii609.hadiko.uni-karlsruhe.de [172.20.44.159]) by nce2.hadiko.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13471 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:14:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from p@localhost) by i609.hadiko.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6SKEa228115; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:14:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from p) Message-Id: <200107282014.f6SKEa228115@i609.hadiko.de> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:14:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Philipp Mergenthaler To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/29285: Ioctl(2) doesn't mention error EFAULT. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29285 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Ioctl(2) doesn't mention error EFAULT. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jul 28 13:20:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Philipp Mergenthaler >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany >Environment: System: FreeBSD i609.hadiko.de 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #416: Thu Jul 26 14:35:54 CEST 2001 p@i609.hadiko.de:/usr/obj/usr/sys/I609 i386 >Description: Ioctl(2) should mention that ioctl will return a value of -1 and set errno to EFAULT, when argp points to an illegal address. >How-To-Repeat: Looking at src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c, one sees that ioctl() passes an error returned from copyin or copyout back to the user. Copy{in,out} can return EFAULT, both according to their man page and to the code in src/sys/i386/i386/support.s. >Fix: (In addition to the patch below I wonder whether mt(1) should be removed from the manual page cross references. It doesn't look very helpful in this context.) Index: ioctl.2 =================================================================== RCS file: /ncvs/src/lib/libc/sys/ioctl.2,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 ioctl.2 --- ioctl.2 2001/07/15 07:53:15 1.12 +++ ioctl.2 2001/07/28 20:12:03 @@ -131,6 +131,9 @@ or .Fa argp is not valid. +.It Bq Er EFAULT +.Fa Argp +points outside the process's allocated address space. .El .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr mt 1 , >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 19: 7:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from itrs_nt.ITRS_DOMAIN (unknown [206.50.173.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A694C37B405 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@bh90210.net) Received: from w2kpro01 (ppp-206-170-210-157.lsan03.pacbell.net [206.170.210.157]) by itrs_nt.ITRS_DOMAIN with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id PD6XHRHA; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:04:15 -0500 Reply-To: From: "IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R" To: Subject: Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:07:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Disposition-Notification-To: "IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir or Ma'am: I am sorry to bother you, but I have asked a large number of people, and nobody seems to know what version of Xfree86 FreeBSD 4.3 (April 2001) comes with? Can you tell me? Very Respectfully, Stuart Blake Tener, IT3, USNR-R, N3GWG Beverly Hills, California VTU 1904G (Volunteer Training Unit) stuart@bh90210.net west coast: (310)-358-0202 P.O. Box 16043, Beverly Hills, CA 90209-2043 east coast: (215)-338-6005 P.O. Box 45859, Philadelphia, PA 19149-5859 Telecopier: (419)-715-6073 fax to email gateway via www.efax.com (it's free!) JOIN THE US NAVY RESERVE, SERVE YOUR COUNTRY, AND BENEFIT FROM IT ALL. Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:05 PM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 19:13:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1B137B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 134FB13618; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 22:13:36 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: "IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20010728221336.A5525@peitho.fxp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Faulhaber , "IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="azLHFNyN32YCQGCU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 07:07:12PM -0700, IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R wrote: > Dear Sir or Ma'am: >=20 > I am sorry to bother you, but I have asked a large number of people, and > nobody seems to know what version of Xfree86 FreeBSD 4.3 (April 2001) com= es > with? Can you tell me? >=20 XFree86-4.0.3 --=20 Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: FreeBSD: The Power To Serve iEYEARECAAYFAjtjcVAACgkQObaG4P6BelBR2QCfT/bQD6jBRnv4gSH+ii9gJlp+ jK8An1ftluSv/EBlUnqNMk+2S97mGULA =w4ts -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 28 19:18:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from itrs_nt.ITRS_DOMAIN (unknown [206.50.173.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7829337B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@bh90210.net) Received: from w2kpro01 (ppp-206-170-210-157.lsan03.pacbell.net [206.170.210.157]) by itrs_nt.ITRS_DOMAIN with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id PD6XHRHC; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:15:18 -0500 Reply-To: From: "IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R" To: "Chris Faulhaber" Cc: Subject: RE: your mail Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:18:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <20010728221336.A5525@peitho.fxp.org> Disposition-Notification-To: "IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mr. Faulhaber: My word, that was fast! Is there a document you recommend on getting X11 up? I got FreeBSD installed, just need to get the windowing stuff going. I have a Dell Inspiron Laptop, and have Linux with Xfree86 working fine, but I heard there are some differences with the mouse driver or something. Very Respectfully, Stuart Blake Tener, IT3, USNR-R, N3GWG Beverly Hills, California VTU 1904G (Volunteer Training Unit) stuart@bh90210.net west coast: (310)-358-0202 P.O. Box 16043, Beverly Hills, CA 90209-2043 east coast: (215)-338-6005 P.O. Box 45859, Philadelphia, PA 19149-5859 Telecopier: (419)-715-6073 fax to email gateway via www.efax.com (it's free!) JOIN THE US NAVY RESERVE, SERVE YOUR COUNTRY, AND BENEFIT FROM IT ALL. Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:17 PM -----Original Message----- From: cdf.lists@fxp.org [mailto:cdf.lists@fxp.org]On Behalf Of Chris Faulhaber Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:14 PM To: IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 07:07:12PM -0700, IT3 Stuart B. Tener, USNR-R wrote: > Dear Sir or Ma'am: > > I am sorry to bother you, but I have asked a large number of people, and > nobody seems to know what version of Xfree86 FreeBSD 4.3 (April 2001) comes > with? Can you tell me? > XFree86-4.0.3 -- Chris D. 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