From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 1:12:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E817D37B405 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:12:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5H8BZb16484; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:11:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5H8BYT14599; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:11:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5H8BYu86538; Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:11:34 +0200 From: Andre Albsmeier To: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Urgent: yppush hangs when pushing to Solaris8 Message-ID: <20010617101134.A61981@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG on Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 12:47:49PM -0700 X-Echelon: BND CIA NSA Mossad KGB MI6 IRA detonator nuclear assault strike Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try this (discovered by John Polstra): =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/www/cvs/src/usr.sbin/yppush/yppush_main.c,v retrieving revision 1.11 retrieving revision 1.11.2.1 diff -u -p -r1.11 -r1.11.2.1 --- src/usr.sbin/yppush/yppush_main.c 1999/08/28 01:21:09 1.11 +++ src/usr.sbin/yppush/yppush_main.c 2001/06/07 04:58:35 1.11.2.1 @@ -32,7 +32,7 @@ #ifndef lint static const char rcsid[] = - "$FreeBSD: /usr/local/www/cvs/src/usr.sbin/yppush/yppush_main.c,v 1.11 1999/08/28 01:21:09 peter Exp $"; + "$FreeBSD: /usr/local/www/cvs/src/usr.sbin/yppush/yppush_main.c,v 1.11.2.1 2001/06/07 04:58:35 jdp Exp $"; #endif /* not lint */ #include @@ -651,6 +651,7 @@ main(argc,argv) sigaddset(&sa.sa_mask, SIGALRM); sigaddset(&sa.sa_mask, SIGINT); sa.sa_handler = async_handler; + sa.sa_flags = 0; sigaction(SIGIO, &sa, NULL); For more info you can look at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=27457 or email me. Hope this helps, -Andre On Wed, 06-Jun-2001 at 12:47:49 -0700, patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG wrote: > I have a customer with an NIS master set up on FreeBSD 4.1 and a slave > on a Netra X1 running Solaris8. When I try to yppush from the server, > it fails after a long (5 min+) hang. Here's a log (with actual host/ > domain names obscured): > > root@fbsd.1006>yppush -vvv netgroup.byhost > yppush: initiating transfer: netgroup.byhost -> fbsd.my.dom (transid = > 991850786) > yppush: fbsd.my.dom has been called > yppush: checking return status: transaction ID: 991850786 > yppush: transfer of map netgroup.byhost to server fbsd.my.dom failed > yppush: status returned by ypxfr: Master's version not newer > yppush: initiating transfer: netgroup.byhost -> x1.my.dom (transid = 991850787) > yppush: x1.my.dom has been called > yppush: all jobs dispatched > yppush: x1.my.dom has not responded > yppush: fbsd.my.dom has responded > yppush: 1 transfer still pending > yppush: timed out > yppush: warning: exiting with transfer to x1.my.dom (transid = 991850787) still > pending > > > Getting a suitable log from the Solaris side appears to be more difficult. > A manual ypxfr yields: > > root@x1.28> /usr/lib/netsvc/yp/ypxfr -f netgroup.byhost > ypxfr: couldnot get fbsd.my.dom address > (info) fbsd.my.dom nis.dom netgroup.byhost ypxfrd getdbm failed (reason = -1) > -- using ypxfr > > > Note that fbsd.my.dom is explicitly in the /etc/hosts file on the x1; > and, of course, it is in both the NIS and DNS maps and the machines > are able to communicate with no problems. > > I do not have ypxfrd running on the FreeBSD box because of the > incompatability between *BSD and Sun implementations. > > > If we can't get this push fixed, they will probably abandon the use of > FreeBSD... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 6:23:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE9237B415 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from monkey-online.net (unknown [195.241.113.9]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9399636CE8 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:23:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3B2CB061.C9C36093@monkey-online.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 15:28:01 +0200 From: Eric Veraart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Local users -> Cyrus users Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Does anyone know a tool to transfer local users to cyrus users (incl. passwords). Because I don't feel like manually insert all users and passwords into Cyrus (and I don't know all of the passwords). Greetings, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 6:46:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from axis.tdd.lt (axis.tdd.lt [213.197.128.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735AA37B403 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 06:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from domas.mituzas@delfi.lt) Received: from localhost (midom@localhost) by axis.tdd.lt (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5HDlQQ10488; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:47:27 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: axis.tdd.lt: midom owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:47:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Domas Mituzas X-X-Sender: To: Eric Veraart Cc: Subject: Re: Local users -> Cyrus users In-Reply-To: <3B2CB061.C9C36093@monkey-online.net> Message-ID: <20010617134432.D9507-100000@axis.tdd.lt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hail, > Does anyone know a tool to transfer local users to cyrus users (incl. > passwords). Because I don't feel like manually insert all users and > passwords into Cyrus (and I don't know all of the passwords). http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mimap/chapter/ch09.html will contain information about migrating email data. And.. I wrote my own patch for pwcheck, so it could check it's local db3 user database and compare supplied values by using crypt(). So I can migrate both DES and MD5 passwords, but they will be accepted only in plaintext authentication. Of course, it's possible then to do automatic update of sasldb, if you really wish to. -- Regards Domas Mituzas DELFI Internet, UAB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 13:13:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1067F37B406 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:13:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@DougBarton.net) Received: from DougBarton.net (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28575; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@DougBarton.net) Message-ID: <3B2D0F56.3BBCA57C@DougBarton.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 13:13:10 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mergemaster problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Brezny wrote: > > Has anyone else been having problems with mergemaster lately. > > After I rebuilt my systems to 4.3-release, mergemaster -ai seems to work > fine, but the followup mergemaster -rv for some reason has problems > installing new files. A) This belongs on freebsd-questions. B) That's a known problem and I'm going to try and fix it today. Doug -- If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough. Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 19:31:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gtw.net (mail.gtw.net [208.33.253.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21A6137B405 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:30:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@day-light.com) Received: (qmail 5529 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2001 02:30:15 -0000 Received: from 115.pm3.gtw.net (HELO w1) (208.207.98.115) by mail.gtw.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2001 02:30:15 -0000 Reply-To: From: "John Brooks" To: Subject: IP resolving to Octal Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c0f79d$ff696fc0$0b00a8c0@dle> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I assisted a friend to setup a new FreeBSD4.3 box (the first in his network). Network has 50+ linux boxes resolving from hosts files in this format (don't ask me why, it's his format): 010.000.010.012 charity.cs.domain.edu 010.000.010.013 patience.cs.domain.edu 010.000.010.014 virtue.cs.domain.edu ... On linux this apparently worked, on BSD it gets converted to octal and returned in dotted decimal. "charity" resolved to an IP of 8.0.8.10 instead of 10.0.10.12. Anyway, we worked through all issues first and then set up DNS which is working properly - he now thinks BSD is "way cool". My question is why would BSD and Linux interpret the same hosts file in such a different manner? Which should be considered the correct behavior? -- John Brooks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 19:48:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ABC37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:48:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by thehousleys.net (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f5I2m2w39312; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:48:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) (authenticated) by thehousleys.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5I2lvr39301; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:47:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <3B2D6BDD.A02291A@thehousleys.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:47:57 -0400 From: James Housley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john@day-light.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP resolving to Octal References: <000501c0f79d$ff696fc0$0b00a8c0@dle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Brooks wrote: > > I assisted a friend to setup a new FreeBSD4.3 box (the first in his > network). Network has 50+ linux boxes resolving from hosts files in this > format (don't ask me why, it's his format): > > 010.000.010.012 charity.cs.domain.edu > 010.000.010.013 patience.cs.domain.edu > 010.000.010.014 virtue.cs.domain.edu > ... > > On linux this apparently worked, on BSD it gets converted to octal and > returned in dotted decimal. "charity" resolved to an IP of 8.0.8.10 instead > of 10.0.10.12. Anyway, we worked through all issues first and then set up > DNS which is working properly - he now thinks BSD is "way cool". > > My question is why would BSD and Linux interpret the same hosts file in such > a different manner? Which should be considered the correct behavior? > For the 20+ years I have been programming, it has been standard to represent octal number with a leading zero. Seeing the FreeBSD's roots go back further then my 20 years. And if you check RFC-1035 section 3.5, it states ". . . one octet of an Internet address, and is expressed as a character string for a decimal value in the range 0-255 (with leading zeros omitted except in the case of a zero octet which is represented by a single zero)." This actually relates to IN-ADDR.ARPA domain. I stopped searching after finding this one. I am also sure there is an RFC for hosts files which are more pertinent. Jim -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign . \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . X - NO Word docs in e-mail . / \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- jeh@FreeBSD.org http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power to Serve jim@TheHousleys.Net http://www.TheHousleys.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine. -- Jack O'Neill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 19:59:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roulen-gw.morning.ru (roulen-gw.morning.ru [195.161.98.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE8537B406 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poige@morning.ru) Received: from NIC1 (seven.ld [192.168.11.7]) by roulen-gw.morning.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD44ABB; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:59:01 +0800 (KRAST) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:59:32 +0700 From: Igor Podlesny X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52 Beta/7) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Morning Network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8546644020.20010618105932@morning.ru> To: "John Brooks" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP resolving to Octal In-Reply-To: <000501c0f79d$ff696fc0$0b00a8c0@dle> References: <000501c0f79d$ff696fc0$0b00a8c0@dle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I met such kind of difference trying use ping 0xIPIPIPIP. In FreeBSD it works at is should (imho), but Linux's networking doesn't give any respect to this notation form. I thnik it's its drawback, not BSD's... > I assisted a friend to setup a new FreeBSD4.3 box (the first in his > network). Network has 50+ linux boxes resolving from hosts files in this > format (don't ask me why, it's his format): > 010.000.010.012 charity.cs.domain.edu > 010.000.010.013 patience.cs.domain.edu > 010.000.010.014 virtue.cs.domain.edu > ... > On linux this apparently worked, on BSD it gets converted to octal and > returned in dotted decimal. "charity" resolved to an IP of 8.0.8.10 instead > of 10.0.10.12. Anyway, we worked through all issues first and then set up > DNS which is working properly - he now thinks BSD is "way cool". > My question is why would BSD and Linux interpret the same hosts file in such > a different manner? Which should be considered the correct behavior? > -- > John Brooks > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Igor mailto:poige@morning.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 22:51:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx7.port.ru (mx7.port.ru [194.67.23.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139BA37B40C for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from skif_dk@mail.ru) Received: from [213.59.88.91] (helo=admin.vitcom.ru) by mx7.port.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 15Brww-0000oA-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:51:46 +0400 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:51:26 +0400 From: Konstantin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Reply-To: Konstantin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1692119423.20010618095126@mail.ru> Disposition-Notification-To: skif_dk@mail.ru To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe skif_dk@mail.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 17 23:39:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E686637B40C for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 23:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francisv@dagupan.com) Received: by chat.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:38:45 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908F5A2@chat.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Mod_php won't install Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:38:43 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F804.6467B650" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0F804.6467B650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm playing around with mod_php but it wouldn't compile from the ports because another copy of perl is in conflict with what the system has in /usr/libdata/perl. 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I'm using NFS to connect the primary server to the mirror. The mirror is the NFS server and the primary server is the only IP address allowd to connect to portmap in /etc/hosts.allow. In order to prevent IP spoof attacts against NFS, I have IPsec setup between the hosts to authenticate the packets. That seems to prevent IP spoofing. I want to know if it is possible to require all NFS connections to use IPsec or will this setup a reasonable way to protect NFS? -- Randy Smith Amigo.Net Systems Administrator 1-719-589-6100 x 4185 http://www.amigo.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 18 8: 0: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.amigo.net (smtp1.amigo.net [209.94.64.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA8837B401 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:00:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Received: from amigo.net (billing.amigo.net [209.94.67.250]) by smtp1.amigo.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5IF0u496328; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Message-ID: <3B2E177A.3000908@amigo.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:00:10 -0600 From: Randy Smith Organization: Amigo.Net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386; en-US; rv:0.9.1+) Gecko/20010525 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khavkine Cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Require IPsec for NFS References: <3B2E10A1.5000302@amigo.net> <3B2E4C00.C9288AEC@colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Khavkine wrote: > You'll have to probably use IPSec for all traffic between the 2 boxen. > Check out this HOWTO: I have that setup already. I re-read my first post and I left out some info so let me clarify a bit. I want to make sure that if a remote (possibly unknown) machine tries to make an NFS connection, it must do it over IPsec. Pormmap "should" refuse connections from all but the specified IP but if that is spoofed (or otherwise compromized), I want to make sure that the connection must use IPsec to authenticate the connection, etc. (You know, all the good things that IPsec is supposed to do.) Thanks for the help. Randy > > http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200101/ipsec-howto.html ps . As an aside, I went right to the Handbook (Chpt 8.9) for docs on IPsec. > > Cheers > Paul > > > Randy Smith wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >>I have a server that I want to mirror. I'm using NFS to connect the >>primary server to the mirror. The mirror is the NFS server and the >>primary server is the only IP address allowd to connect to portmap in >>/etc/hosts.allow. In order to prevent IP spoof attacts against NFS, I >>have IPsec setup between the hosts to authenticate the packets. That >>seems to prevent IP spoofing. >> >>I want to know if it is possible to require all NFS connections to use >>IPsec or will this setup a reasonable way to protect NFS? >> >>-- >>Randy Smith >>Amigo.Net Systems Administrator >>1-719-589-6100 x 4185 >>http://www.amigo.net/ >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > -- > ************************************************* > Paul Khavkine > Network Administrator > Distributel Communications > 740 Notre Dame West, Suite 1135 > Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H3C 3X6 > 1-514-877-0064 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 18 8:10:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.amigo.net (smtp1.amigo.net [209.94.64.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A6837B406; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Received: from amigo.net (billing.amigo.net [209.94.67.250]) by smtp1.amigo.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5IFBJ496711; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Message-ID: <3B2E19E9.9020100@amigo.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:10:33 -0600 From: Randy Smith Organization: Amigo.Net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386; en-US; rv:0.9.1+) Gecko/20010525 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anderson@centtech.com Cc: freebsd-isp , freebsd-security Subject: Re: Require IPsec for NFS References: <3B2E10A1.5000302@amigo.net> <3B2E14DA.C2819177@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Anderson wrote: > When adding your spd's, you can restrict to port numbers and ip > addresses. > Check out 'man setkey, and look for 'dst_range'. That should get you > started. I'm currently setup to encrypt all traffic between the two hosts. I want to make sure that if a cracker gets past the protection from hosts.allow, he still has to deal with the IPsec to hijack/screw with the connection. Thanks for the response. Randy > > Eric > > > Randy Smith wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>I have a server that I want to mirror. I'm using NFS to connect the >>primary server to the mirror. The mirror is the NFS server and the >>primary server is the only IP address allowd to connect to portmap in >>/etc/hosts.allow. In order to prevent IP spoof attacts against NFS, I >>have IPsec setup between the hosts to authenticate the packets. That >>seems to prevent IP spoofing. >> >>I want to know if it is possible to require all NFS connections to use >>IPsec or will this setup a reasonable way to protect NFS? >> >>-- >>Randy Smith >>Amigo.Net Systems Administrator >>1-719-589-6100 x 4185 >>http://www.amigo.net/ >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 18 9:58: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.amigo.net (smtp1.amigo.net [209.94.64.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6952337B406 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Received: from amigo.net (billing.amigo.net [209.94.67.250]) by smtp1.amigo.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5IGwl499461; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:58:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Message-ID: <3B2E3319.3040700@amigo.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:58:01 -0600 From: Randy Smith Organization: Amigo.Net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386; en-US; rv:0.9.1+) Gecko/20010525 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khavkine Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Require IPsec for NFS References: <3B2E10A1.5000302@amigo.net> <3B2E4C00.C9288AEC@colba.net> <3B2E177A.3000908@amigo.net> <3B2E542B.142C8295@colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Khavkine wrote: > Well if you dont know in advance what IP of the connecting machine that would > be more tricky. It is at that. I know the IP of the server that's talking to the mirror and I did my best to lock out connections to portmap and NFS trough host.allow to all but that box. The catch is, and we all should know this, NFS as security issues. I want to do my best to limit the risk and still get the functionality. I know that none of my other boxes will be connecting. I just want to make sure that no one else does either. > I have only started readin up on it on the weekend because i want to use SSH > Sentinel for VPN connections with dynamic IP's. > You'll probably have to use certificates and force all NFS (port 2049, i think) > and portmap traffic to go > over IPSec. > > I'll be reading up on this in next few days, so i'll let you know what i find. > I might use that for NIS. > > Thanx > Paul > > Randy Smith wrote: > > >>Paul Khavkine wrote: >> >> >>>You'll have to probably use IPSec for all traffic between the 2 boxen. >>>Check out this HOWTO: >>> >>I have that setup already. >> >>I re-read my first post and I left out some info so let me clarify a >>bit. I want to make sure that if a remote (possibly unknown) machine >>tries to make an NFS connection, it must do it over IPsec. Pormmap >>"should" refuse connections from all but the specified IP but if that is >>spoofed (or otherwise compromized), I want to make sure that the >>connection must use IPsec to authenticate the connection, etc. (You >>know, all the good things that IPsec is supposed to do.) >> >>Thanks for the help. >> >>Randy >> >> >>>http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200101/ipsec-howto.html >>> >>ps . As an aside, I went right to the Handbook (Chpt 8.9) for docs on IPsec. >> >> >>>Cheers >>>Paul >>> >>> >>>Randy Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>I have a server that I want to mirror. I'm using NFS to connect the >>>>primary server to the mirror. The mirror is the NFS server and the >>>>primary server is the only IP address allowd to connect to portmap in >>>>/etc/hosts.allow. In order to prevent IP spoof attacts against NFS, I >>>>have IPsec setup between the hosts to authenticate the packets. That >>>>seems to prevent IP spoofing. >>>> >>>>I want to know if it is possible to require all NFS connections to use >>>>IPsec or will this setup a reasonable way to protect NFS? >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Randy Smith >>>>Amigo.Net Systems Administrator >>>>1-719-589-6100 x 4185 >>>>http://www.amigo.net/ >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>************************************************* >>>Paul Khavkine >>>Network Administrator >>>Distributel Communications >>>740 Notre Dame West, Suite 1135 >>>Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H3C 3X6 >>>1-514-877-0064 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > -- > ************************************************* > Paul Khavkine > Network Administrator > Distributel Communications > 740 Notre Dame West, Suite 1135 > Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H3C 3X6 > 1-514-877-0064 > > > > -- Randy Smith Amigo.Net Systems Administrator 1-719-589-6100 x 4185 http://www.amigo.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 18 10:50:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from prox.centtech.com (moat2.centtech.com [206.196.95.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980A937B403; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by prox.centtech.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id JAA29485; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:49:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sprint.centtech.com(10.177.173.31) by prox via smap (V2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma029481; Mon, 18 Jun 01 09:48:57 -0500 Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24949; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:48:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B2E14DA.C2819177@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:48:58 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com Organization: Centaur Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Smith Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Require IPsec for NFS References: <3B2E10A1.5000302@amigo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When adding your spd's, you can restrict to port numbers and ip addresses. Check out 'man setkey, and look for 'dst_range'. That should get you started. Eric Randy Smith wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a server that I want to mirror. I'm using NFS to connect the > primary server to the mirror. The mirror is the NFS server and the > primary server is the only IP address allowd to connect to portmap in > /etc/hosts.allow. In order to prevent IP spoof attacts against NFS, I > have IPsec setup between the hosts to authenticate the packets. That > seems to prevent IP spoofing. > > I want to know if it is possible to require all NFS connections to use > IPsec or will this setup a reasonable way to protect NFS? > > -- > Randy Smith > Amigo.Net Systems Administrator > 1-719-589-6100 x 4185 > http://www.amigo.net/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Anderson anderson@centtech.com Centaur Technology (512) 418-5792 For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 18 21:57:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F2C37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 21:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f5J4vjZ14992 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:57:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.4/8.11.2av) with ESMTP id f5J4vfA14984 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:57:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010619005449.01fb0968@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:57:40 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: FrontPage 2002 ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone used / deployed this yet ? Just wondering what people's experiences have been like so far. I have it installed on a test system, but have yet to deploy it into production. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 18 23: 4:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.42.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D93D37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:04:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blaz@si.FreeBSD.org) Received: by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2BC5A55404; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:04:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA7855402; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:04:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:04:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Blaz Zupan X-X-Sender: To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Subject: Re: FrontPage 2002 ? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010619005449.01fb0968@192.168.0.12> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has anyone used / deployed this yet ? Just wondering what people's > experiences have been like so far. I have it installed on a test system, > but have yet to deploy it into production. Haven't tried it on FreeBSD yet (and don't plan to infect our nice web servers with the Frontpage virus :), but on NT we had many problems with it, like messing up shared borders, etc. We had to go back to Frontpage 2000. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 18 23:55:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EE5337B401 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 78341 invoked by uid 106); 19 Jun 2001 06:55:53 -0000 Received: from 66-65-36-21.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 19 Jun 2001 06:55:53 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "Mike Tancsa" Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 02:56:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010619005449.01fb0968@192.168.0.12> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FrontPage 2002 ? Message-Id: <20010619065552.9EE5337B401@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've tried it and it seems to work. I've upgraded FP 2000 to 2002 on my testing platform without problems. Will put it in production env a few weeks later. -Simon On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 00:57:40 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: >Has anyone used / deployed this yet ? Just wondering what people's >experiences have been like so far. I have it installed on a test system, >but have yet to deploy it into production. > > ---Mike >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 >Network Administration, mike@sentex.net >Sentex Communications www.sentex.net >Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 19 4:36:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2603E37B403 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 04:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f5JBapV17211; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:36:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.4/8.11.2av) with ESMTP id f5JBakA17203; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:36:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010619072907.057290c8@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:36:45 -0400 To: Blaz Zupan From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: FrontPage 2002 ? Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.2.20010619005449.01fb0968@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks. Actually, in terms of regular fp2000 on NT vs FreeBSD, we have had far more stability with the FreeBSD sites. ---Mike At 08:04 AM 6/19/2001 +0200, Blaz Zupan wrote: > > Has anyone used / deployed this yet ? Just wondering what people's > > experiences have been like so far. I have it installed on a test system, > > but have yet to deploy it into production. > >Haven't tried it on FreeBSD yet (and don't plan to infect our nice web servers >with the Frontpage virus :), but on NT we had many problems with it, like >messing up shared borders, etc. We had to go back to Frontpage 2000. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 19 20:30:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.futuredesigns.net (saturn.futuredesigns.net [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D68437B403 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@mikesweb.com) Received: (qmail 85898 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 03:30:20 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO sun.mikesweb.com) (216.91.66.252) by saturn.futuredesigns.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 03:30:20 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619232919.01e9eaf8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:31:07 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Mike Subject: nationwide dial access Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I travel frequently, and am looking for a nationwide ISP that is FreeBSD friendly (don't need to use their proprietary winblows software).. Anybody out there know of any? Thanks! -Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 19 21: 0:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inet03.citec.qld.gov.au (inet03.citec.qld.gov.au [203.5.10.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BF237B406 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au) Received: by inet03.citec.qld.gov.au; id OAA17530; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:00:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from citecub.citec.qld.gov.au( 131.242.4.98) by inet03.citec.qld.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma017422; Wed, 20 Jun 01 14:00:03 +1000 Received: from guru.citec.qld.gov.au by citecub.citec.qld.gov.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA00567; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:00:00 +1000 Received: from localhost (sgcccdc@localhost) by guru.citec.qld.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA62457; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:59:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au) X-Authentication-Warning: guru.citec.qld.gov.au: sgcccdc owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:59:59 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Campbell To: Mike Cc: Subject: Re: nationwide dial access In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619232919.01e9eaf8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Mike wrote: > I travel frequently, and am looking for a nationwide ISP that is FreeBSD > friendly (don't need to use their proprietary winblows software).. Anybody > out there know of any? Several. Might be the wrong nation though. Which one did you have in mind? or is there only one? :-) Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 19 21: 2:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pendragon.tacni.net (mail.tacni.net [216.178.136.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED50737B401 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom.oneil@tacni.com) Received: (qmail 13497 invoked by alias); 20 Jun 2001 04:02:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tacni.com) (216.201.173.186) by pendragon.tacni.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 04:02:18 -0000 Message-ID: <3B30201A.5096FA5F@tacni.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:01:30 -0500 From: Tom ONeil Organization: Texas American Communictions Network Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kal Torak Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: keeping identical copy of second drive References: <3B26C811.26CC58B0@quake.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd take a look at cpbk in ports - seems to work very well for us. Make the second drive bootable, set up cpbk and off you go... Tom Kal Torak wrote: > > Rowan Crowe wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am just about to take delivery of a new 1RU machine which has identical > > 20Gb drives, one of them in a removable caddy. Ideally I want the second > > HD to be a mirror image of the first, either in real time or periodically > > transferred over. > > -- Thomas J. ONeil tom.oneil@tacni.com http://www.tacni.net "National Power, Local Presence" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 19 21:57:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.futuredesigns.net (saturn.futuredesigns.net [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34B7437B403 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@futuredesigns.net) Received: (qmail 92511 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 04:57:39 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO sun.futuredesigns.net) (216.91.66.252) by 216.91.66.2 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 04:57:39 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010620005803.01ddbb70@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: sturdee/mail.futuredesigns.net@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:58:27 -0400 To: Colin Campbell , Mike From: Mike Subject: Re: nationwide dial access Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619232919.01e9eaf8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:59 PM 6/20/2001 +1000, Colin Campbell wrote: >Hi, > >On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Mike wrote: > > > I travel frequently, and am looking for a nationwide ISP that is FreeBSD > > friendly (don't need to use their proprietary winblows software).. Anybody > > out there know of any? > >Several. Might be the wrong nation though. Which one did you have in mind? >or is there only one? :-) Looking in the US. -Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 19 22:35:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C450B37B407 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:35:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Received: from Brian (cx175057-b.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.147]) by cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5K5ZCA20405; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Message-ID: <003701c0f94a$b270b1c0$3324200a@sonicboom.org> From: "Brian" To: "Colin Campbell" , "Mike" , "Mike" Cc: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619232919.01e9eaf8@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010620005803.01ddbb70@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: nationwide dial access Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:34:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org U lookin to get a freebie deal, I would suspect that any of the pay isps, of which aohell is not a member, would support it. Netcom in the past did support it, they got absorbed into mindspring, which is a national isp. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "Colin Campbell" ; "Mike" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: Re: nationwide dial access > At 01:59 PM 6/20/2001 +1000, Colin Campbell wrote: > >Hi, > > > >On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Mike wrote: > > > > > I travel frequently, and am looking for a nationwide ISP that is FreeBSD > > > friendly (don't need to use their proprietary winblows software).. Anybody > > > out there know of any? > > > >Several. Might be the wrong nation though. Which one did you have in mind? > >or is there only one? :-) > > Looking in the US. > > -Mike > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 0: 2:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8220737B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:02:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 55805 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 07:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.73) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 07:01:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3B304A27.1000701@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:00:55 -0400 From: Jan Knepper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.1) Gecko/20010607 Netscape6/6.1b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Cc: Colin Campbell , Mike , Mike , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nationwide dial access References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619232919.01e9eaf8@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010620005803.01ddbb70@127.0.0.1> <003701c0f94a$b270b1c0$3324200a@sonicboom.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070909050004080408050104" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------070909050004080408050104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been using CompuServe for years... Works International too! An other one would be UUnet (uu.net) which also works international AFAIK. I tend to believe that all these nation wide ISP's work together in their dial up provisioning though... Jan Brian wrote: >U lookin to get a freebie deal, I would suspect that any of the pay isps, of >which aohell is not a member, would support it. Netcom in the past did >support it, they got absorbed into mindspring, which is a national isp. > > Brian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike" >To: "Colin Campbell" ; "Mike" >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:58 PM >Subject: Re: nationwide dial access > > >>At 01:59 PM 6/20/2001 +1000, Colin Campbell wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Mike wrote: >>> >>>>I travel frequently, and am looking for a nationwide ISP that is >>>> >FreeBSD > >>>>friendly (don't need to use their proprietary winblows software).. >>>> >Anybody > >>>>out there know of any? >>>> >>>Several. Might be the wrong nation though. Which one did you have in >>> >mind? > >>>or is there only one? :-) >>> >>Looking in the US. >> >>-Mike >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > --------------070909050004080408050104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been using CompuServe for years...
Works International too!
An other one would be UUnet (uu.net) which also works international AFAIK.
I tend to believe that all these nation wide ISP's work together in their dial up provisioning though...

Jan



Brian wrote:
U lookin to get a freebie deal, I would suspect that any of the pay isps, of
which aohell is not a member, would support it.  Netcom in the past did
support it, they got absorbed into mindspring, which is a national isp.

    Brian


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <mike@futuredesigns.net>
To: "Colin Campbell" <sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au>; "Mike" <mike@mikesweb.com>
Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: nationwide dial access


At 01:59 PM 6/20/2001 +1000, Colin Campbell wrote:
Hi,

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Mike wrote:

I travel frequently, and am looking for a nationwide ISP that is
FreeBSD
friendly (don't need to use their proprietary winblows software)..
Anybody
out there know of any?
Several. Might be the wrong nation though. Which one did you have in
mind?
or is there only one? :-)
Looking in the US.

-Mike


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--------------070909050004080408050104-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 0:47:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ruminary.org (153-246-44-207.ip.sirius.com [207.44.246.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D1D37B406 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clark@ruminary.org) Received: by ruminary.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C66FD15293; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:47:54 -0700 From: clark shishido To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nationwide dial access Message-ID: <20010620004754.A38707@ruminary.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619232919.01e9eaf8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619232919.01e9eaf8@127.0.0.1>; from mike@mikesweb.com on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:31:07PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:31:07PM -0400, Mike wrote: > I travel frequently, and am looking for a nationwide ISP that is FreeBSD > friendly (don't need to use their proprietary winblows software).. Anybody > out there know of any? > I just signed up for an account with macconnect.com, so far I'm happy. username, password, DNS servers, dial-up number pretty basic stuff, no extra software needed. also, you have your choice of UUnet, Cable&Wireless, or PSINet dial-up networks (just one at a time as I found out on Saturday). If they added Focal, they'd have most of the dial-up numbers possible in the US. besides, you can tell them you're using MacOS X's ancestor. The other possibility is to find a good local ISP which provides national dial-up numbers. My former ISP slip.net used to do this. --clark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 2:56:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk (rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk [212.87.84.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5652D37B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 02:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@psi-domain.co.uk) Received: by rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 77FA0402E17; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:51:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:51:32 +0100 From: Jamie Heckford To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: BIND 8 Message-ID: <20010620105132.D63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> Reply-To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Does anyone know how to extract statistics from BIND 8? Not looking for any amazingly in depth details, just basic stats like requests a second, most frequently requested domain etc. Any info would be appreciated Thanks! Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 3: 0:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8223737B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 809F016B22 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:20:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [195.115.185.184] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A5E3FF510124; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:07:31 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620115755.0321bc30@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:01:21 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: BIND 8 In-Reply-To: <20010620105132.D63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Does anyone know how to extract statistics from BIND 8? ndc stats and then go look in your default BIND directory for a file called named.stats. :))) Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 3: 4:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6893F37B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id F319216B24 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:25:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [195.115.185.184] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A6F1FFD50124; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:12:01 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620120441.0261bff8@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:05:51 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: BIND 8 In-Reply-To: <20010620105132.D63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org another way to get stats on BIND is with this effort to summarize BIND logs: http://logreport.org/documentation/about=reports/topic=dns Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 3: 6:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk (rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk [212.87.84.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4733137B434 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:06:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@psi-domain.co.uk) Received: by rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 70F97402E17; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:01:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:01:54 +0100 From: Jamie Heckford To: Len Conrad Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIND 8 Message-ID: <20010620110154.E63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> Reply-To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk References: <20010620105132.D63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20010620115755.0321bc30@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620115755.0321bc30@mail.Go2France.com>; from LConrad@Go2France.com on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 12:01:21PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 12:01:21PM +0200, Len Conrad wrote: > > >Does anyone know how to extract statistics from BIND 8? > > ndc stats Ok, thanks :) > > and then go look in your default BIND directory for a file > called named.stats. :))) the ndc stats command worked fine, but there didn't seem to be the named.stats file anywhere, I searched the entire drive. Does it take a while to generate? My primary NS has been up for 94 days and is very busy! thanks for your help Jamie > > Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 3:12:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.rccn.net (atlas.rccn.net [193.136.7.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 095AD37B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpsp@fccn.pt) Received: (qmail 80254 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 10:12:48 -0000 Received: from dhcp20.fccn.pt (HELO jpsp) (193.136.7.220) by atlas.rccn.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 10:12:48 -0000 Message-ID: <075101c0f971$ac3ec770$dc0788c1@jpsp> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Pagaime?= To: , References: <20010620105132.D63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> Subject: Re: BIND 8 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:13:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BIND gives periodic (hourly, I think) stats to a file. You can find a syntax explanation of that file at http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/stats.html (don't know if it's up to date). If you want to be more precise and do statistics related to domains, I think you're on your own. You would have to open the "query" channel (may be a problem on a loaded server) of bind's configuration, log every query/response, and extract the needed information, using some automatic process (like a home made script...) --jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Heckford" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: BIND 8 > Hello, > > Does anyone know how to extract statistics from BIND 8? > > Not looking for any amazingly in depth details, just basic stats > like requests a second, most frequently requested domain etc. > > Any info would be appreciated > > Thanks! > > Jamie > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 3:23:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk (rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk [212.87.84.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F8737B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:23:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@psi-domain.co.uk) Received: by rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 96CCB402E17; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:18:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:18:54 +0100 From: Jamie Heckford To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Pagaime?= Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIND 8 Message-ID: <20010620111854.A64086@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> Reply-To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk References: <20010620105132.D63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> <075101c0f971$ac3ec770$dc0788c1@jpsp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <075101c0f971$ac3ec770$dc0788c1@jpsp>; from jpsp@fccn.pt on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 11:13:37AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I seem to have got the request logging going, just by adding an entry for named in /etc/syslog.conf, and doing "ndc qrylog". This seems to be extracting all the useful bits and more. Looks like its time to whip up one of my dodgy perl scripts :)) thanks! Jamie On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 11:13:37AM +0100, João Pagaime wrote: > > BIND gives periodic (hourly, I think) stats to a file. > You can find a syntax explanation of that file at > http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/stats.html (don't > know if it's up to date). > > If you want to be more precise and do statistics related > to domains, I think you're on your own. You would have > to open the "query" channel (may be a problem on a loaded server) > of bind's configuration, log every query/response, and extract > the needed information, using some automatic process (like a > home made script...) > > --jp > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie Heckford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:51 AM > Subject: BIND 8 > > > > Hello, > > > > Does anyone know how to extract statistics from BIND 8? > > > > Not looking for any amazingly in depth details, just basic stats > > like requests a second, most frequently requested domain etc. > > > > Any info would be appreciated > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jamie > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 3:30:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E877C37B407 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abc@firehouse.net) Received: (qmail 74623 invoked by uid 1000); 20 Jun 2001 10:33:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:33:39 -0400 From: Alan Clegg To: Mark Sergeant Cc: Stanley Hopcroft , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-mail to SMS and vice versa Message-ID: <20010620063339.B74428@diskfarm.firehouse.net> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908F586@chat.dagupan.com> <20010612143756.H99062@IPAustralia.Gov.AU> <200106120452.f5C4qkX01292@xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200106120452.f5C4qkX01292@xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net>; from msergeant@snsonline.net on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:52:45PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unless the network is lying to me again, Mark Sergeant said: > The best luck I had was gnokki with a spare 5110 and data cable. For those searching, it's actually Gnokii. Looks cool. If nobody else is, I may make this my first port. ;-) AlanC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 3:42:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AF237B406 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 6B4DF1360C; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 06:42:37 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: Alan Clegg Cc: Mark Sergeant , Stanley Hopcroft , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-mail to SMS and vice versa Message-ID: <20010620064237.A46749@peitho.fxp.org> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908F586@chat.dagupan.com> <20010612143756.H99062@IPAustralia.Gov.AU> <200106120452.f5C4qkX01292@xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net> <20010620063339.B74428@diskfarm.firehouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010620063339.B74428@diskfarm.firehouse.net>; from alan@clegg.com on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 06:33:39AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 06:33:39AM -0400, Alan Clegg wrote: > Unless the network is lying to me again, Mark Sergeant said:=20 >=20 > > The best luck I had was gnokki with a spare 5110 and data cable.=20 >=20 > For those searching, it's actually Gnokii. Looks cool. If nobody else i= s, > I may make this my first port. ;-) >=20 ports/comms/gnokii --=20 Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: FreeBSD: The Power To Serve iEUEARECAAYFAjswfhwACgkQObaG4P6BelASbACdExwzjkSNCcms4x7SiRf/Heu/ IkcAlRxJjn0Cm7uEEh08fFIr1c49qcM= =l7LB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 3:57:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8011737B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 03:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abc@firehouse.net) Received: (qmail 74870 invoked by uid 1000); 20 Jun 2001 11:00:27 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:00:27 -0400 From: Alan Clegg To: Chris Faulhaber Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-mail to SMS and vice versa Message-ID: <20010620070027.E74428@diskfarm.firehouse.net> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908F586@chat.dagupan.com> <20010612143756.H99062@IPAustralia.Gov.AU> <200106120452.f5C4qkX01292@xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net> <20010620063339.B74428@diskfarm.firehouse.net> <20010620064237.A46749@peitho.fxp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20010620064237.A46749@peitho.fxp.org>; from jedgar@fxp.org on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 06:42:37AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unless the network is lying to me again, Chris Faulhaber said: > ports/comms/gnokii Drats.. I was looking in ports for the original gnokki... ;-) AlanC -- Alan Clegg I do UNIX and Networks alan@clegg.com I don't have any certification I have experience To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 4: 8:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial1-2-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2620C37B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 04:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA55241 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:08:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:08:42 +1000 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: asus mini-ATX motherboard: temperature/RPM monitoring Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a server with an Asus mini-ATX motherboard that offers out of the box monitoring of motherboard temp, CPU temp, and CPU fan speed. It also monitors CPU voltages. How can I monitor these under FreeBSD? I tried healthd but it seems to give out bogus readings... www-new# /usr/local/sbin/healthd -d -1 ************************ * Hardware Information * ************************ Unknown Vendor: ID = 0 ************************ Temp.= 184.0, 0.0, 0.0; Rot.= 5400, 48214, 23275 Vcore = 1.70, 2.51; Volt. = 1.63, 5.05, 11.43, -5.89, -1.49 Not sure if that's supposed to be 184F (hot) or 184C (frying), but either way it doesn't look too realistic. Any hints appreciated... Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://info.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9329-5498 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 5:59:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA1637B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 6647D16B2A for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:20:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [195.115.185.184] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AFEF5F30546; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:06:55 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620145959.0278a008@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:00:43 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: ethernet connecion In-Reply-To: <6E118DEDB68CD411B1100090273F23AA301691@MNI-EXCH-SVR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >How does one hard code the ethernet NIC to run at 100 mbs. /Full Duplex in >BSD 4.2? man ifconfig see the "media options" stuff Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 7:39:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [64.81.208.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3373D37B407 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ml@db.nexgen.com) Received: (qmail 21398 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2001 14:39:37 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO book) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 14:39:37 -0000 Message-ID: <00e001c0f996$cc649b90$9865fea9@book> From: "alexus" To: , Subject: hardware temperature monitor Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:39:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I'm looking for some kind of solution(s) to see (preferable on the web) some kind of statistics of temperature of my drives, mother board, cpu and etc... also with some kind of e-mail notification if something went wrong.. and all this nice stuff;) does anyone know the one that'll work with freebsd 4.3-release? Bye _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ (W)orld(W)ide(W)eb: http://box.nexgen.com/ (I)nternet(R)elay(C)hat: EFnet #aLeXuS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 8: 4:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sco.COM (scol.london.sco.COM [150.126.1.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51FFE37B406; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aris@sco.COM) Received: from severn.london.sco.COM(150.126.20.2), claiming to be "severn.sco.com" via SMTP by scol.london.sco.COM, id smtpdAAAa003VP; Wed Jun 20 16:03:28 2001 Received: from uradoos.london.sco.com by severn.sco.com with smtp id aa27829; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:03:19 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3B30BB36.D0E0C600@sco.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:03:18 +0100 From: Aris Stathakis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alexus Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hardware temperature monitor References: <00e001c0f996$cc649b90$9865fea9@book> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org alexus wrote: > > Hello > > I'm looking for some kind of solution(s) to see (preferable on the web) some > kind of statistics of temperature of my drives, mother board, cpu and etc... > also with some kind of e-mail notification if something went wrong.. and all > this nice stuff;) does anyone know the one that'll work with freebsd > 4.3-release? > Not personally tried with freebsd, but these should work: http://www.spiderplant.com/hlt/index.html http://www.brianlane.com/digitemp.php http://www.lancos.com/webtherm.html Aris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 8:28:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from citadel.simphost.com (citadel.simphost.com [216.253.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D68C37B40B; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:28:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jmslivko.org) Received: by citadel.simphost.com (Postfix, from userid 1022) id E2B9024D05; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by citadel.simphost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0E920F04; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" X-X-Sender: To: alexus Cc: , Subject: Re: hardware temperature monitor In-Reply-To: <00e001c0f996$cc649b90$9865fea9@book> Message-ID: <20010620113214.V25038-100000@citadel.simphost.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 healthd works nicely :). It's in ports. - --------------------------------------------------------- | Jonathan M. Slivko | e-mail: jslivko@jmslivko.org | | Technical Support | Black Lotus Communications | | Server Administrator | AsylumNet IRC Networks | | phone: (212) 726-3516 | web: http://www.jmslivko.org | - --------------------------------------------------------- PGP key is available @ http://www.jmslivko.org/jslivko.asc On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, alexus wrote: > Hello > > I'm looking for some kind of solution(s) to see (preferable on the web) some > kind of statistics of temperature of my drives, mother board, cpu and etc... > also with some kind of e-mail notification if something went wrong.. and all > this nice stuff;) does anyone know the one that'll work with freebsd > 4.3-release? > > Bye > _/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ > _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ > _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ > > (W)orld(W)ide(W)eb: http://box.nexgen.com/ > (I)nternet(R)elay(C)hat: EFnet #aLeXuS > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75 iQA/AwUBOzDCDlbZ0BAEOk7TEQLgSQCghU8sVieUFueak4aGbGZF8tHSqLIAoIBq tqPK1SlpA7XlGRB2/lNb29v5 =EKge -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 9:56:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D185137B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lsp3@gte.net) Received: from pentium166 (we-24-165-164-68.we.mediaone.net [24.165.164.68]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP ; id LAA26586196 Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:56:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008001c0f9a9$7e47d540$44a4a518@we.mediaone.net> From: "Leland" To: , "Mike" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010619232919.01e9eaf8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: nationwide dial access Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:53:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://Caprica.com is the oldest local ISP in Los Angeles, California. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: nationwide dial access > I travel frequently, and am looking for a nationwide ISP that is FreeBSD > friendly (don't need to use their proprietary winblows software).. Anybody > out there know of any? > > Thanks! > > -Mike > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 11:15:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E3837B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 122ED16B13 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:35:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [195.115.185.184] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9CF2BC50124; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:22:07 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620201051.03bb0378@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:15:59 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: BIND 8 In-Reply-To: <20010620110154.E63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620115755.0321bc30@mail.Go2France.com> <20010620105132.D63901@rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20010620115755.0321bc30@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > ndc stats > >Ok, thanks :) > > >the ndc stats command worked fine, how do you know it worked fine if .... > but there didn't seem to be the >named.stats file anywhere, I searched the entire drive. .... you didn´t find the file? find / -name "named.stats" -print If you don´t have one, in the options section, put a directory "path"; named.stats goes there, or wherever the default BIND dir is, ie, wherever BIND finds your db.zonefiles. >Does it take a while to generate? My primary NS has been up for 94 days >and is very busy! it shouldn´t take long, how useful was that? :)) Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 11:16: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB9C37B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 06EAD16B13 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:36:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [195.115.185.184] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA0A2BD90124; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:23:06 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010620201641.03f54da8@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:16:58 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: resolv.conf missing options? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I´m setting up a couple of outbound, high-volume mail gateways that need some kind fairly quick failover when their primary DNS is down, to use another DNS. The behavior avaible in some resolvers seems sufficient. I´ve seen resolv.conf options of such as attempts:4 and timeout:2 in the DNS & BIND book, etc but these are not in the 4.6R man resolv.conf page. Is there any other way in FreeBSD to set these resolver params? Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 11:37:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A58F37B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13806 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:15:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:15:23 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm needing to find a RAID solution for our mail server. This is primarily for data integrity. So the solution MUST be robust. In the past I've had raid controllers which freaked at loosing a disk and refused to work with the array. Needless to say I was pissed. I am not opposed to vinum. I would like to hear more about it's restrictions specifically in regards to the boot partition (meaning can I vinum a slice on the same disk as the root partition) and it's robustness on disk failure. The docs for vinum aren't too specific on this, unless someone knows of some docs I don't know about. Cost is an issue but not a really big one (Don't go suggesting a $10k controller). Performance is not really an issue. A single IDE drive (WD400BB UDMA66) is taking the load now just fine, although the peaks (rare) are getting near the theoretical tps max. Mainly I'm looking for experiences good and bad with different options. Thanks for the info. - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 14: 2:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB6E737B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 727 invoked by uid 85); 20 Jun 2001 21:02:15 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.190482 secs); 20 Jun 2001 21:02:15 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: troy@psknet.com via voyager.psknet.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: forrestc@imach.com,freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.95 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.190482 secs) Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 21:02:15 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Forrest W. Christian" , Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:02:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Funny post. I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI Expres 200 (466) controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while until I could silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the array is still trucking right along. If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive installed and the array repaired. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 http://www.psknet.com ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:15 PM ** To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** Subject: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** I'm needing to find a RAID solution for our mail server. ** ** This is primarily for data integrity. So the solution MUST be ** robust. In the past I've had raid controllers which freaked at loosing a ** disk and refused to work with the array. Needless to say I was pissed. ** ** I am not opposed to vinum. I would like to hear more about it's ** restrictions specifically in regards to the boot partition (meaning can I ** vinum a slice on the same disk as the root partition) and it's robustness ** on disk failure. The docs for vinum aren't too specific on this, unless ** someone knows of some docs I don't know about. ** ** Cost is an issue but not a really big one (Don't go suggesting a $10k ** controller). Performance is not really an issue. A single IDE drive ** (WD400BB UDMA66) is taking the load now just fine, although the peaks ** (rare) are getting near the theoretical tps max. ** ** Mainly I'm looking for experiences good and bad with different options. ** ** Thanks for the info. ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 14:15:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [64.0.106.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3792837B406; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA44223; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Kenneth Karoliussen Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ch driver/chio problem In-Reply-To: <992596094.3b29d07e326a7@epost.hit.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Kenneth Karoliussen wrote: ... > drive 0: > drive 1: > > # chio move drive 0 slot 0 > chio: /dev/ch0: CHIOMOVE: Invalid argument > > Performing this operation from slot [x] to drive [x] seem to work perfectly, but > the not the other way. > > We've been looking around for other with the same problem, without any > luck. If you have any experience which such device(s), I hope you may > enlighten us what the problem acutally is. Try telling the drive to eject the tape ('mt offline'); AFAIK the robot can't do anything with a unit that doesn't have the 'ACCESS' attribute set. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | For Great Justice! | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 14:35:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EE637B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14476; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:13:13 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Troy Settle Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI Expres 200 (466) > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while until I could > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the array is still > trucking right along. > > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive installed and the > array repaired. Please do. This looks like an interesting option. Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 15: 1:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from vyrus.net (vyrus.net [216.254.48.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC85037B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:01:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@vyrus.net) Received: from localhost (todd@localhost) by vyrus.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5KM0jQ47587 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@vyrus.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Gigabit Eth (GA620) question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings. Application: I am trying to use a Netgear GA620 Gigabit Ethernet card for a network sniffer w/FreeBSD 4.3 (plenty of ram and CPU. fxp0 for management interface). I currently have the fiber plugged into a Cisco 6509 fiber int and am spanning a vlan into the port (max ~5MBs). Questions: I am loosing VERY close to 50% of packets at the kernel even at only 1MBs. (The GA620 is in a 32bit slot as the 64bit slot in the server does not accommodate the card...) Regardless of the amt of traffic (1MBs..30MBs) I send to the interface, it looses VERY close to 50% of packets (I dont see this as a coincidence but do not know the answer) Has anyone experienced the same results with this card? Also, for some reason I am only able to see IPX traffic. No TCP or UDP... Any ideas? Thanks in advance! - Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 15:17: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A845837B409 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 996 invoked by uid 85); 20 Jun 2001 22:16:45 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.189899 secs); 20 Jun 2001 22:16:45 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: troy@psknet.com via voyager.psknet.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: forrestc@imach.com,freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.95 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.189899 secs) Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 22:16:45 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:16:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI Expres 200 (466) ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while until I could ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the array is still ** > trucking right along. ** > ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive ** installed and the ** > array repaired. ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? ** You don't :( Hafta shutdown and go into BIOS for management. Don't know if the developer has test hardware (or even docs), but if I could afford it, I'd gladly send him one so he could work on getting some tools created for managing it. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 http://www.psknet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 15:23:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7090737B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:23:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bsdguru@aol.com) Received: from Bsdguru@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id n.f8.ba36f1a (4242) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bsdguru@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:23:16 EDT Subject: Re: Gigabit Eth (GA620) question To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a message dated 06/20/2001 6:02:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, todd@vyrus.net writes: > Questions: > > I am loosing VERY close to 50% of packets at the kernel even at only 1MBs. > (The GA620 is in a 32bit slot as the 64bit slot in the server does not > accommodate the card...) Regardless of the amt of traffic (1MBs..30MBs) I > send to the interface, it looses VERY close to 50% of packets (I dont see > this as a coincidence but do not know the answer) Has anyone experienced > the same results with this card? > > Also, for some reason I am only able to see IPX traffic. No TCP or UDP... > Any ideas? > You cant do gigabit with a 32-bit card unless you have a lot of buffer space, which the netgear doesnt. IF you have no other cards in the box OR you have a dual-bus system with ONLY the gig card on one bus, you might squeeze through. 32bit PCI cant do sustained 1 Gb/s transfers, so your longer packets will have problems making it through. Its simply not suitable. Its like doing 100BT on ISA. If you have a hard drive on the same bus you have no chance. Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 15:45:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 380A537B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 1050 invoked by uid 85); 20 Jun 2001 22:45:23 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.193122 secs); 20 Jun 2001 22:45:23 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: troy@psknet.com via voyager.psknet.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.95 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.193122 secs) Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2001 22:45:23 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: mod_perl Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:45:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm far from a perl guru. Does apache automatically execute perl cgi scripts via mod_perl or do the scripts need to be explicitly written for it? TIA, -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 http://www.psknet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 15:52:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tgd.net (rand.tgd.net [64.81.67.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2217E37B406 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@mailhost.tgd.net) Received: (qmail 82980 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Jun 2001 22:52:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:52:04 -0700 From: Sean Chittenden To: Troy Settle Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mod_perl Message-ID: <20010620155204.C74413@rand.tgd.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CblX+4bnyfN0pR09" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from "troy@psknet.com" on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at = 06:45:34PM X-PGP-Key: 0x1EDDFAAD X-PGP-Fingerprint: C665 A17F 9A56 286C 5CFB 1DEA 9F4F 5CEF 1EDD FAAD X-Web-Homepage: http://sean.chittenden.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm far from a perl guru. Does apache automatically execute perl cgi > scripts via mod_perl or do the scripts need to be explicitly written for = it? Normal perl CGI scripts _should_ work under mod_perl. Check out the following places for more information about this: http://perl.apache.org/ http://perl.apache.org/guide/ -Sean PS The guide is especially useful and has the answers you're probably looking fore --=20 Sean Chittenden --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Sean Chittenden iEYEARECAAYFAjsxKRMACgkQn09c7x7d+q3/rACeMxBKpyMlJ74MnZh9OUBoGwiV r08AoL6bILNGfa6pMuoyufGuEOGMoxOo =FT6y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 15:52:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782DC37B407 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14817; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:29:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:29:47 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Troy Settle Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI Expres 200 (466) > ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while until I could > ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the array is still > ** > trucking right along. > > You don't :( Hafta shutdown and go into BIOS for management. At least it doesn't need a MS OS for it :). Does it appear as a single device under freebsd? - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 16:39: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from vyrus.net (vyrus.net [216.254.48.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B8637B407 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@vyrus.net) Received: from localhost (todd@localhost) by vyrus.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5KNcDx47720; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:38:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@vyrus.net) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd To: Bsdguru@aol.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gigabit Eth (GA620) question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 Bsdguru@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 06/20/2001 6:02:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > todd@vyrus.net writes: > > > Questions: > > > > I am loosing VERY close to 50% of packets at the kernel even at only 1MBs. > > (The GA620 is in a 32bit slot as the 64bit slot in the server does not > > accommodate the card...) Regardless of the amt of traffic (1MBs..30MBs) I > > send to the interface, it looses VERY close to 50% of packets (I dont see > > this as a coincidence but do not know the answer) Has anyone experienced > > the same results with this card? > > > > Also, for some reason I am only able to see IPX traffic. No TCP or UDP... > > Any ideas? > > > > You cant do gigabit with a 32-bit card unless you have a lot of buffer space, > which the netgear doesnt. IF you have no other cards in the box OR you have > a dual-bus system with ONLY the gig card on one bus, you might squeeze > through. 32bit PCI cant do sustained 1 Gb/s transfers, so your longer packets > will have problems making it through. Its simply not suitable. Its like doing > 100BT on ISA. I did understand that I would take a performance hit. I just found it odd that it was allways VERY near 50% no matter how much traffic I sent to the interface... Thanks again. - Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 17:10:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BC4A37B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 320 invoked by uid 85); 21 Jun 2001 00:10:05 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.762977 secs); 21 Jun 2001 00:10:05 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: troy@psknet.com via voyager.psknet.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: forrestc@imach.com,freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.95 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.762977 secs) Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 00:10:03 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:10:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org amr0: mem 0xfc000000-0xfc3fffff irq 11 at device 15.1 on pci0 amr0: Firmware GH6C, BIOS 1.41, 16MB RAM amrd0: on amr0 amrd0: 8190MB (16773120 sectors) RAID 5 (degraded) amrd1: on amr0 amrd1: 44190MB (90501120 sectors) RAID 5 (degraded) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/amrd0s1a Don't ask me why I made 2 volumes, I honestly don't remember (it did happen more than a week ago, ya know =) -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 http://www.psknet.com ** -----Original Message----- ** From: Forrest W. Christian [mailto:forrestc@imach.com] ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:30 PM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** > ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI ** Expres 200 (466) ** > ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while ** until I could ** > ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the ** array is still ** > ** > trucking right along. ** > ** > You don't :( Hafta shutdown and go into BIOS for management. ** ** At least it doesn't need a MS OS for it :). ** ** Does it appear as a single device under freebsd? ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 18:13:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from red.hot.net.au (red.hot.net.au [203.58.126.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799D037B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ka@apcs.com.au) Received: from well ([203.58.126.40]) by red.hot.net.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5L1CLj25214; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:12:21 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from ka@apcs.com.au) Message-ID: <01c301c0f9ef$3c6dc260$0200000a@apcs.com.au> From: "Keith Anderson" To: "Alan Clegg" , "Mark Sergeant" Cc: "Stanley Hopcroft" , References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908F586@chat.dagupan.com> <20010612143756.H99062@IPAustralia.Gov.AU> <200106120452.f5C4qkX01292@xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net> <20010620063339.B74428@diskfarm.firehouse.net> Subject: Re: E-mail to SMS and vice versa Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:12:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please Do I'd love it Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Clegg To: Mark Sergeant Cc: Stanley Hopcroft ; Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: Re: E-mail to SMS and vice versa > Unless the network is lying to me again, Mark Sergeant said: > > > The best luck I had was gnokki with a spare 5110 and data cable. > > For those searching, it's actually Gnokii. Looks cool. If nobody else is, > I may make this my first port. ;-) > > AlanC > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 18:46:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8338337B407 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4650D6ACBC; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:16:27 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:16:27 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Message-ID: <20010621111627.I86129@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from forrestc@imach.com on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 12:15:23PM -0600 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 20 June 2001 at 12:15:23 -0600, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > I'm needing to find a RAID solution for our mail server. > > This is primarily for data integrity. So the solution MUST be > robust. In the past I've had raid controllers which freaked at loosing a > disk and refused to work with the array. Needless to say I was pissed. > > I am not opposed to vinum. I would like to hear more about it's > restrictions specifically in regards to the boot partition (meaning can I > vinum a slice on the same disk as the root partition) and it's robustness > on disk failure. The docs for vinum aren't too specific on this, unless > someone knows of some docs I don't know about. You currently can't have the root partition on a Vinum volume. That's the only limitation; you can have anything else, including swap, on a Vinum partition. Setting it up is a little tricky: you first need to install normally, then redefine the partitions as Vinum volumes by creating a Vinum drive (a partition of type Vinum) which starts 265 sectors before the beginning of the first partition, then defining subdisks to match the position of the partitions relative to the start of the drive. Robustness is good. You can have a failure and continue *if* you're in a redundant configuration (RAID-1 or RAID-5). You can also change disks online if you have a hot-pluggable configuration. We've seen some data consistency problems in the RAID-5 code, mainly relating to kernel race conditions. I have fixed all known issues, and I haven't heard of any problems since, but I certainly feel more confident about RAID-1 or RAID-10, which hasn't had any consistency issues reported in nearly 2 years. RAID-1 will also give you much better write performance than RAID-5 (on any platform; this is a limitation of the technique, not Vinum). Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 19:35: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BBD37B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA15414; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:12:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:12:57 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Troy Settle Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > amrd0: 8190MB (16773120 sectors) RAID 5 (degraded) Well it looks like it at least reports "degraded" so I don't have to go and hear the beep to see it is misbehaving :) - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 20:14:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5E1C37B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 94528 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 03:14:31 -0000 Received: from abyss.dashit.net (HELO ABYSS) (63.171.251.250) by psknet.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 03:14:31 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not so lucky :( The degraded message didn't show up until after reboot (as part of the device ID when the kernel is reading the disk label. The information is stored in DMESG. The only RAID card that I know of with tools in the OS is Mylex (man mlxcontrol). I can't tell from the man page if you can actually do anything useful (like detach a physical drive, reattach, start a rebuild, etc...). I guess this is one area where NT has left us behind :( -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 ** -----Original Message----- ** From: Forrest W. Christian [mailto:forrestc@imach.com] ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:13 PM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** > amrd0: 8190MB (16773120 sectors) RAID 5 (degraded) ** ** Well it looks like it at least reports "degraded" so I don't have to go ** and hear the beep to see it is misbehaving :) ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 21:16:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB61837B401 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15Cvib-0004qz-00; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:05:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Troy Settle Cc: "Forrest W. Christian" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > > Not so lucky :( > > The degraded message didn't show up until after reboot (as part of the > device ID when the kernel is reading the disk label. The information is > stored in DMESG. > > The only RAID card that I know of with tools in the OS is Mylex (man > mlxcontrol). I can't tell from the man page if you can actually do anything > useful (like detach a physical drive, reattach, start a rebuild, etc...). > > I guess this is one area where NT has left us behind :( mlxcontrol can trigger rebuilds of arrays on the mlx driver, not the mly. It is pretty much automatic: just hookup the new drive, and issue the rebuild command. Of course, I was using a managed enclosure, so things like detaching the physical drive, and re-attach are automatic. Using the mly driver things actual seem easier. Disk failures are reported to syslog. Removing the disk, and plugging in the new disk triggers a rebuild which is also reported to syslog. When the array is back to full state, it is logged to syslog as well. The only management tool I need is something to check the health in case I miss a syslog message. Everything else is automatic. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 23:32: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9976937B403 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16030 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:10:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:10:01 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Funky load average Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm asking this here because I don't really monitor many of the other lists anymore (too much to read too little time). Has anyone seen anything like this: (from top) last pid: 59601; load averages: 2.57, 2.76, 2.52 105 processes: 1 running, 104 sleeping CPU states: 22.5% user,0.0% nice,3.9% system,0.4% interrupt,73.3% idle Mem: 53M Active, 150M Inact, 46M Wired, 12K Cache, 61M Buf, 250M Free Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free It is just sitting like this. It seems kinda bizzare that we have a load over 2-3 and I'd guess the idle is around 50% average. (The load is usally between 2-3, the idle is usually between 30-70%, and there isn't any swap usage). iostat doesn't seem too out of whack except the "b" column (blocked processes) is usually over 10. Is there any way to tell what they are waiting for? It doesn't look like disk, as the disk light was on only about 50% of the time when I checked it earlier (when this was occuring). Can anyone shed some light on this? - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 20 23:39: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA26D37B407 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15CxwW-0005dJ-00; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:27:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 23:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Funky load average In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > I'm asking this here because I don't really monitor many of the other > lists anymore (too much to read too little time). > > Has anyone seen anything like this: (from top) > > last pid: 59601; load averages: 2.57, 2.76, 2.52 > 105 processes: 1 running, 104 sleeping > CPU states: 22.5% user,0.0% nice,3.9% system,0.4% interrupt,73.3% idle > Mem: 53M Active, 150M Inact, 46M Wired, 12K Cache, 61M Buf, 250M Free > Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free > > It is just sitting like this. It seems kinda bizzare that we have a load > over 2-3 and I'd guess the idle is around 50% average. > > (The load is usally between 2-3, the idle is usually between 30-70%, and > there isn't any swap usage). > > iostat doesn't seem too out of whack except the "b" column (blocked > processes) is usually over 10. > > Is there any way to tell what they are waiting for? It doesn't look like > disk, as the disk light was on only about 50% of the time when I checked > it earlier (when this was occuring). > > Can anyone shed some light on this? This seems to fall into the "And why is this a problem?" category. The load average represents the average number of process in the run queue or short term wait. No evidence to suggest that isn't the correct value for your system. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 0: 1:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4945237B406 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16111; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:39:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:39:38 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Tom Samplonius Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Funky load average In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Tom Samplonius wrote: > This seems to fall into the "And why is this a problem?" category. > > The load average represents the average number of process in the run > queue or short term wait. No evidence to suggest that isn't the correct > value for your system. The problem is that I'm not 100% sure they aren't waiting on something that needs to be upgraded, such as network connectivity, disk i/o (after all this IS a new system which I haven't fully proven yet), etc. etc. Perhaps the better question would have been "Is there a way to tell what the waiting processes are waiting on so I can determine whether I should just ignore the load average and get on with my life?" - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 0:36: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285D437B406 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 00:35:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ndear@areti.net) Received: from [195.92.67.23] (helo=mail18.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15Cz0N-0008Kr-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:35:55 +0100 Received: from modem-236.convict-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.251.236] helo=sparta) by mail18.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15Cz0M-0003kh-00 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:35:55 +0100 From: "Nicholas J. Dear" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:36:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Funky load average Message-ID: <3B31B1F3.30360.12EE96@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Forrest, We used to have this with a news server we ran. Little CPU and memory usage but a fair amount of disk I/O. The server was never slow, but the load average was always quite high. Asking around, we found this was normal and nothing to worry about. N. On 21 Jun 2001, at 0:10, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > I'm asking this here because I don't really monitor many of the other > lists anymore (too much to read too little time). > > Has anyone seen anything like this: (from top) > > last pid: 59601; load averages: 2.57, 2.76, 2.52 > 105 processes: 1 running, 104 sleeping > CPU states: 22.5% user,0.0% nice,3.9% system,0.4% interrupt,73.3% idle > Mem: 53M Active, 150M Inact, 46M Wired, 12K Cache, 61M Buf, 250M Free > Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free > > It is just sitting like this. It seems kinda bizzare that we have a > load over 2-3 and I'd guess the idle is around 50% average. > > (The load is usally between 2-3, the idle is usually between 30-70%, > and there isn't any swap usage). > > iostat doesn't seem too out of whack except the "b" column (blocked > processes) is usually over 10. > > Is there any way to tell what they are waiting for? It doesn't look > like disk, as the disk light was on only about 50% of the time when I > checked it earlier (when this was occuring). > > Can anyone shed some light on this? > > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 > http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 > Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- Nicholas J. Dear ndear@areti.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 8:16:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from paul.distributel.net (paul.MTL.distributel.NET [66.38.182.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0845837B401 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@colba.net) Received: from colba.net (localhost.distributel.net [127.0.0.1]) by paul.distributel.net (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f5LJL3k13057 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:21:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from paul@colba.net) Message-ID: <3B32491F.85357E76@colba.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:21:03 -0400 From: Paul Khavkine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Kerberos5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, i need to install Kerberos5, sould i install Heimdal or MIT Kerberos ? Have not played with either in a while, anyone have any pros/cons for either one of them ? Thanx Paul -- ************************************************* Paul Khavkine Network Administrator Distributel Communications 740 Notre Dame West, Suite 1135 Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H3C 3X6 1-514-877-0064 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 9:20:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sco.COM (scol.london.sco.COM [150.126.1.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45FD737B403 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aris@sco.COM) Received: from severn.london.sco.COM(150.126.20.2), claiming to be "severn.sco.com" via SMTP by scol.london.sco.COM, id smtpdBAAa0033H; Thu Jun 21 17:19:25 2001 Received: from uradoos.london.sco.com by severn.sco.com with smtp id aa25652 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:19:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3B321E82.9DD3CD84@sco.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:19:14 +0100 From: Aris Stathakis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID/vinum options (mail server) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Forrest W. Christian" wrote: > > I'm needing to find a RAID solution for our mail server. > > Mainly I'm looking for experiences good and bad with different options. > Has anyone had any success with the various inexpensive EIDE raid controllers available? Some are built into motherboards - others are add-in cards like the KW-571H for which there are Linux drivers. This may be an alternative if it works - RAID 1/mirror for root filesystem with IDE disks, and Vinum/RAID5 with SCSI disks for data. Aris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 9:51:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3E537B401 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 09:51:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 1EF1A16B20 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:12:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [195.115.185.184] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7D1C56B0124; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:58:57 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010621185203.0388b958@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:52:49 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: 2nd ata drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FBSD 4.3R GENERIC dmesg.boot shows ad0: 9541MB [19386/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 ad1: 73308MB [148945/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA100 acd0: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO4 ad0 is a standard 4-partition setup, but ad1 is not yet recognized When I go to /stand/sysinstall for fdisk on ad1, I get: " Message WARNING: A geometry of 148945/16/63 for ad1 is incorrect. Using a more likely geometry. If this geometry is incorrect or you are unsure as to whether or not it's correct, please consult the Hardware Guide in the Documentation submenu or use the (G)eometry command to change it now. Remember: you need to enter whatever your BIOS thinks the geometry is! For IDE, it's what you were told in the BIOS setup. For SCSI, it's the translation mode your controller is using. Do NOT use a "physical geometry". " but full-screen fdisk and disklabel work ok. I leave sysintall, and try mfb1# fdisk -BI ad1 ******* Working on device /dev/ad1 ******* fdisk: invalid fdisk partition table found I´m not on site to play with it, but somebody is. What do I tell the person to do? is the 73 gb useable by FreeBSD? swap out the disk for an 8 gb like ad0 ? Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 10:22:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2A5B37B403 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 1527 invoked by uid 85); 21 Jun 2001 17:22:12 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.188308 secs); 21 Jun 2001 17:22:12 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: troy@psknet.com via voyager.psknet.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: forrestc@imach.com,freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.95 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.188308 secs) Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 17:22:11 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:22:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As requested, here's an update. Airborne just dropped off the replacement drive, I screwed it into the caddy, inserted, turned the key to lock the caddy in, and after spinning up, the AMI Express 200 (series 466) started automatically rebuilding the array. Will let y'all know when it's done to see how long it takes (4x18gb, RAID5, 16MB ram on the controller). -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 http://www.psknet.com ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI Expres 200 (466) ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while until I could ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the array is still ** > trucking right along. ** > ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive ** installed and the ** > array repaired. ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 11:51:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [64.81.208.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 95C0837B407 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ml@db.nexgen.com) Received: (qmail 37589 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 18:51:57 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO book) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 18:51:57 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c0fa83$3473d4c0$9865fea9@book> From: "alexus" To: , Subject: apache won't start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:51:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i installed new perl 5.6.1 and i delete my /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.0 and /usr/local/lib/perl/5_003 now when i start apache i get this... what do i need to reinstall more to get this up and running? su-2.05# /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl [Thu Jun 21 14:46:54 2001] [error] Can't locate Apache.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl . /usr/local/apache/ /usr/local/apache/lib/perl) at (eval 1) line 3. /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl: httpd could not be started su-2.05# To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 11:55: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD6F337B406 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 5767 invoked by uid 106); 21 Jun 2001 18:55:01 -0000 Received: from 66-65-36-21.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 18:55:01 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "alexus" , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:55:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <004901c0fa83$3473d4c0$9865fea9@book> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: apache won't start Message-Id: <20010621185459.CD6F337B406@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sounds like you have mod_perl installed. I suggest you recompile your apache. It's looking for required perl files in the old directory. I wouldn't try to fix this with symlinks, etc... -Simon On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:51:39 -0400, alexus wrote: >i installed new perl 5.6.1 and i delete my /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.0 and >/usr/local/lib/perl/5_003 > >now when i start apache i get this... > >what do i need to reinstall more to get this up and running? > >su-2.05# /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl >[Thu Jun 21 14:46:54 2001] [error] Can't locate Apache.pm in @INC (@INC >contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-freebsd >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl . >/usr/local/apache/ /usr/local/apache/lib/perl) at (eval 1) line 3. > >/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl: httpd could not be started >su-2.05# > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 11:56: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cod.progroup.com (cod.progroup.com [207.44.190.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FC337B406; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig@progroup.com) Received: from progroup.com (guppy.progroup.com [207.44.190.237]) by cod.progroup.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA08534; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig@progroup.com) Message-ID: <3B324340.695BC8B8@progroup.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:56:00 -0700 From: Craig Shaver Organization: Productivity Group, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alexus Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache won't start References: <004901c0fa83$3473d4c0$9865fea9@book> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You should have kept your old perl libs and config'd 5.6.1 to use old perl packs. Reinstall all the .pm packages, etc .... you had in the old perl installations. Go to perl.com or perl.org and find CPAN, find everything there, dl, install, alexus wrote: > > i installed new perl 5.6.1 and i delete my /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.0 and > /usr/local/lib/perl/5_003 > > now when i start apache i get this... > > what do i need to reinstall more to get this up and running? > > su-2.05# /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl > [Thu Jun 21 14:46:54 2001] [error] Can't locate Apache.pm in @INC (@INC > contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-freebsd > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl . > /usr/local/apache/ /usr/local/apache/lib/perl) at (eval 1) line 3. > > /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl: httpd could not be started > su-2.05# > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Craig Shaver, My Itty Bitty Dot Com POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (650)390-0654 http://www.progroup.com/ mailto:craig@progroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 12: 6:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [64.81.208.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A50437B407 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:06:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ml@db.nexgen.com) Received: (qmail 37770 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 19:07:11 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO book) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 19:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c0fa85$54b757f0$9865fea9@book> From: "alexus" To: "Simon" , , Subject: Re: apache won't start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:06:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org heh i've tryed symlink didn't work i've tryed recompiling apache didn't work.. i've tryed recompile mod_perl.. it worked!;) thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: "alexus" ; ; Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: apache won't start > > Sounds like you have mod_perl installed. I suggest you recompile your apache. > It's looking for required perl files in the old directory. I wouldn't try to fix this with > symlinks, etc... > > -Simon > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:51:39 -0400, alexus wrote: > > >i installed new perl 5.6.1 and i delete my /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.0 and > >/usr/local/lib/perl/5_003 > > > >now when i start apache i get this... > > > >what do i need to reinstall more to get this up and running? > > > >su-2.05# /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl > >[Thu Jun 21 14:46:54 2001] [error] Can't locate Apache.pm in @INC (@INC > >contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 > >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-freebsd > >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl . > >/usr/local/apache/ /usr/local/apache/lib/perl) at (eval 1) line 3. > > > >/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl: httpd could not be started > >su-2.05# > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 12: 7:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [64.81.208.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ADF7B37B407 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ml@db.nexgen.com) Received: (qmail 37778 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 19:07:40 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO book) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 19:07:40 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c0fa85$66533f60$9865fea9@book> From: "alexus" To: "Craig Shaver" Cc: , References: <004901c0fa83$3473d4c0$9865fea9@book> <3B324340.695BC8B8@progroup.com> Subject: Re: apache won't start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:07:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org been there.. done that;) anyway i fixed it thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Shaver" To: "alexus" Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: apache won't start > You should have kept your old perl libs and config'd 5.6.1 to use old > perl packs. Reinstall all the .pm packages, etc .... you had in the old > perl installations. Go to perl.com or perl.org and find CPAN, find > everything there, dl, install, > > alexus wrote: > > > > i installed new perl 5.6.1 and i delete my /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.0 and > > /usr/local/lib/perl/5_003 > > > > now when i start apache i get this... > > > > what do i need to reinstall more to get this up and running? > > > > su-2.05# /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl > > [Thu Jun 21 14:46:54 2001] [error] Can't locate Apache.pm in @INC (@INC > > contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-freebsd > > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl . > > /usr/local/apache/ /usr/local/apache/lib/perl) at (eval 1) line 3. > > > > /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl: httpd could not be started > > su-2.05# > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- > Craig Shaver, My Itty Bitty Dot Com > POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (650)390-0654 > http://www.progroup.com/ mailto:craig@progroup.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 12:10:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA0B137B407 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 7002 invoked by uid 106); 21 Jun 2001 19:10:23 -0000 Received: from 66-65-36-21.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 19:10:23 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "alexus" , "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:11:10 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <002b01c0fa85$54b757f0$9865fea9@book> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: apache won't start Message-Id: <20010621191022.EA0B137B407@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Then my guess is you're loading mod_perl on startup? as in you didn't compile it statically. Which I thought you did. Be more specific next time ;-) -Simon On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:06:52 -0400, alexus wrote: >heh i've tryed symlink didn't work i've tryed recompiling apache didn't >work.. i've tryed recompile mod_perl.. it worked!;) >thanks > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Simon" >To: "alexus" ; ; > >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:55 PM >Subject: Re: apache won't start > > >> >> Sounds like you have mod_perl installed. I suggest you recompile your >apache. >> It's looking for required perl files in the old directory. I wouldn't try >to fix this with >> symlinks, etc... >> >> -Simon >> >> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:51:39 -0400, alexus wrote: >> >> >i installed new perl 5.6.1 and i delete my /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.0 and >> >/usr/local/lib/perl/5_003 >> > >> >now when i start apache i get this... >> > >> >what do i need to reinstall more to get this up and running? >> > >> >su-2.05# /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl >> >[Thu Jun 21 14:46:54 2001] [error] Can't locate Apache.pm in @INC (@INC >> >contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd >/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 >> >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-freebsd >> >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl . >> >/usr/local/apache/ /usr/local/apache/lib/perl) at (eval 1) line 3. >> > >> >/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl: httpd could not be started >> >su-2.05# >> > >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 12:14:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [64.81.208.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF0A637B407 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ml@db.nexgen.com) Received: (qmail 37863 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2001 19:14:58 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO book) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 19:14:58 -0000 Message-ID: <004501c0fa86$6b59e8f0$9865fea9@book> From: "alexus" To: "Simon" , , Subject: Re: apache won't start Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:14:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i use mod_perl as DSO.. but its working now;) thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: "alexus" ; ; Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: apache won't start > > Then my guess is you're loading mod_perl on startup? as in > you didn't compile it statically. Which I thought you did. > Be more specific next time ;-) > > -Simon > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:06:52 -0400, alexus wrote: > > >heh i've tryed symlink didn't work i've tryed recompiling apache didn't > >work.. i've tryed recompile mod_perl.. it worked!;) > >thanks > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Simon" > >To: "alexus" ; ; > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:55 PM > >Subject: Re: apache won't start > > > > > >> > >> Sounds like you have mod_perl installed. I suggest you recompile your > >apache. > >> It's looking for required perl files in the old directory. I wouldn't try > >to fix this with > >> symlinks, etc... > >> > >> -Simon > >> > >> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:51:39 -0400, alexus wrote: > >> > >> >i installed new perl 5.6.1 and i delete my /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.0 and > >> >/usr/local/lib/perl/5_003 > >> > > >> >now when i start apache i get this... > >> > > >> >what do i need to reinstall more to get this up and running? > >> > > >> >su-2.05# /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl > >> >[Thu Jun 21 14:46:54 2001] [error] Can't locate Apache.pm in @INC (@INC > >> >contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-freebsd > >/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.0 > >> >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-freebsd > >> >/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl . > >> >/usr/local/apache/ /usr/local/apache/lib/perl) at (eval 1) line 3. > >> > > >> >/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl startssl: httpd could not be started > >> >su-2.05# > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 16:58:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BC5737B401 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 16:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 5636 invoked by uid 85); 21 Jun 2001 23:58:43 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.208141 secs); 21 Jun 2001 23:58:43 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: troy@psknet.com via voyager.psknet.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.95 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.208141 secs) Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2001 23:58:43 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:58:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Took somewhere between 2 and 3 hours. Guess the AMI cards are a good bet, even if we don't have tools from the OS to monitor/manage them. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 http://www.psknet.com ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:22 PM ** To: Forrest W. Christian ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** ** As requested, here's an update. ** ** Airborne just dropped off the replacement drive, I screwed it into the ** caddy, inserted, turned the key to lock the caddy in, and after ** spinning up, ** the AMI Express 200 (series 466) started automatically ** rebuilding the array. ** ** Will let y'all know when it's done to see how long it takes ** (4x18gb, RAID5, ** 16MB ram on the controller). ** ** -- ** Troy Settle ** Pulaski Networks ** 540.994.4254 ** http://www.psknet.com ** ** ** ** -----Original Message----- ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. ** Christian ** ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM ** ** To: Troy Settle ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** ** ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI ** Expres 200 (466) ** ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while ** until I could ** ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the array is still ** ** > trucking right along. ** ** > ** ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive ** ** installed and the ** ** > array repaired. ** ** ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. ** ** ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? ** ** ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** ** ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 17:37:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9567E37B403 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19541; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:14:59 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Troy Settle Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just curious, what chassis/drives are you using with this? On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:58:49 -0400 > From: Troy Settle > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > > > Took somewhere between 2 and 3 hours. Guess the AMI cards are a good bet, > even if we don't have tools from the OS to monitor/manage them. > > -- > Troy Settle > Pulaski Networks > 540.994.4254 > http://www.psknet.com > > > ** -----Original Message----- > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle > ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:22 PM > ** To: Forrest W. Christian > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > ** > ** > ** > ** As requested, here's an update. > ** > ** Airborne just dropped off the replacement drive, I screwed it into the > ** caddy, inserted, turned the key to lock the caddy in, and after > ** spinning up, > ** the AMI Express 200 (series 466) started automatically > ** rebuilding the array. > ** > ** Will let y'all know when it's done to see how long it takes > ** (4x18gb, RAID5, > ** 16MB ram on the controller). > ** > ** -- > ** Troy Settle > ** Pulaski Networks > ** 540.994.4254 > ** http://www.psknet.com > ** > ** > ** ** -----Original Message----- > ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. > ** Christian > ** ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM > ** ** To: Troy Settle > ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > ** ** > ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI > ** Expres 200 (466) > ** ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while > ** until I could > ** ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the array is still > ** ** > trucking right along. > ** ** > > ** ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive > ** ** installed and the > ** ** > array repaired. > ** ** > ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. > ** ** > ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? > ** ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 > ** ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 > ** ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 > ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** ** > ** ** > ** > ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > ** > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 20:17:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ren.sasknow.com (ren.sasknow.com [207.195.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0660637B401 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ren.sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA96520; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:17:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:17:09 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: Sean Chittenden Cc: Troy Settle , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mod_perl In-Reply-To: <20010620155204.C74413@rand.tgd.net> Message-ID: Organization: SaskNow Technologies [www.sasknow.com] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Chittenden wrote to Troy Settle: > > I'm far from a perl guru. Does apache automatically execute perl cgi > > scripts via mod_perl or do the scripts need to be explicitly written for it? > > Normal perl CGI scripts _should_ work under mod_perl. Check > out the following places for more information about this: > > http://perl.apache.org/ > http://perl.apache.org/guide/ > > -Sean > > PS The guide is especially useful and has the answers you're > probably looking fore Two things you need to keep in mind: 1. Not all Perl source is compatible with mod_perl. Your scripts WILL break if they are not coded in "the mod_perl way". Many perl scripts NOT written for mod_perl will not work correctly. (Chances are they will WORK, but will start to produce WEIRD results like incremental counters that work fine for awhile, then start spitting out oddball numbers). Your choice: * (re)write the CGI for mod_perl * Don't run the script under mod_perl 2. mod_perl will not work for any old cgi directory (scriptalias). Using scriptalias (the normal Apache way of doing things) will disable mod_perl for that cgi directory. Instead, use a directive and specify the perl handler in your virtual host container: Alias /cgi-bin/ "/home/user/cgi-bin" SetHandler perl-script PerlHandler Apache::Registry Options ExecCGI PerlSendHeader ON Note that a mod_perl handler will NOT exec binary or other shell script CGIs. For that you need to use scriptalias. It is possible to make both a ScriptAlias CGI directory and a mod_perl CGI directory and use both. For some virtuals here, we have a cgi-bin and a cgi-perl, for example. Hope this helps. - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson Network Administrator, Accounts SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com #106-380 3120 8th St E - Saskatoon, SK - S7H 0W2 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-664-1161 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 21:18:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tgd.net (rand.tgd.net [64.81.67.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DB2937B406 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@mailhost.tgd.net) Received: (qmail 94537 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jun 2001 04:18:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 21:18:11 -0700 From: Sean Chittenden To: Ryan Thompson Cc: Troy Settle , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mod_perl Message-ID: <20010621211811.T90900@rand.tgd.net> References: <20010620155204.C74413@rand.tgd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QCC2I/2CckNfI+Tr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from "ryan@sasknow.com" on Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at = 09:17:09PM X-PGP-Key: 0x1EDDFAAD X-PGP-Fingerprint: C665 A17F 9A56 286C 5CFB 1DEA 9F4F 5CEF 1EDD FAAD X-Web-Homepage: http://sean.chittenden.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --QCC2I/2CckNfI+Tr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Two things you need to keep in mind: >=20 > 1. Not all Perl source is compatible with mod_perl. Your scripts WILL > break if they are not coded in "the mod_perl way". Not necessarily, normal CGI's can exist under mod_perl and=20 take some of the advantages of mod_perl w/o having to do the work to=20 port the script to mod_perl. http://perl.apache.org/guide/porting.html#The_Script_Is_Too_Dirty_But_It_ http://perl.apache.org/guide/porting.html > Many perl scripts NOT written for mod_perl will not work correctly. > (Chances are they will WORK, but will start to produce WEIRD results > like incremental counters that work fine for awhile, then start > spitting out oddball numbers). Your choice: > > * (re)write the CGI for mod_perl > * Don't run the script under mod_perl ;~) There's some truth to this... and memory leaks, etc. "use=20 strict;" and -w is your friend. Here's a config section to ponder. # httpd.conf Alias /cgi-perl/ /home/httpd/cgi/ =20 # AllowOverride None SetHandler perl-script PerlHandler Apache::PerlRun Options ExecCGI allow from all PerlSendHeader On # this is the important directive -sc > 2. [snip] >=20 > Alias /cgi-bin/ "/home/user/cgi-bin" > > SetHandler perl-script > PerlHandler Apache::Registry > Options ExecCGI > PerlSendHeader ON > >=20 >=20 > Note that a mod_perl handler will NOT exec binary or other shell script > CGIs. For that you need to use scriptalias. >=20 > It is possible to make both a ScriptAlias CGI directory and a mod_perl CGI > directory and use both. For some virtuals here, we have a cgi-bin and a > cgi-perl, for example. >=20 > Hope this helps. >=20 > - Ryan --=20 Sean Chittenden --QCC2I/2CckNfI+Tr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Sean Chittenden iEYEARECAAYFAjsyxwMACgkQn09c7x7d+q235gCdHBFiiOKenut0CwdR6feaAVEX R9sAn3Y21EMcfzzlbWpVw5FdfkjDomiJ =inwe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QCC2I/2CckNfI+Tr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 22: 6:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5AD437B408 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21657; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:44:20 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Ryan Thompson Cc: Sean Chittenden , Troy Settle , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mod_perl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Ryan Thompson wrote: > Two things you need to keep in mind: > > 1. Not all Perl source is compatible with mod_perl. Your scripts WILL > break if they are not coded in "the mod_perl way". Many perl scripts NOT > written for mod_perl will not work correctly. (Chances are they will WORK, > but will start to produce WEIRD results like incremental counters that > work fine for awhile, then start spitting out oddball numbers). Your > choice: > * (re)write the CGI for mod_perl > * Don't run the script under mod_perl I will have to say that some scripts written FOR mod_perl can produce WEIRD results. mod_perl scripts are not the easiest things to write, as if you miss reinitializing a variable you're possibly screwed. And you end up with some weird interactions in relation to libraries, such as a script might run just fine as long as another script hasn't ran on the same machine, etc. That said, writing mod_perl isn't all that bad as long as you are careful to do things which you probably should be doing normally, but don't have to. - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 23:51: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-68.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1865E37B406 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enriko.groen@netivity.nl) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:50:57 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A0247252622F7873@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: 'Aris Stathakis' , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:50:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Aris Stathakis [mailto:aris@sco.COM] > Has anyone had any success with the various inexpensive EIDE raid > controllers available? Some are built into motherboards - others are > add-in cards like the KW-571H for which there are Linux drivers. I heard some bad things (data loss) about a certain Asus motherboard with an onboard EIDE RAID controller. Not sure which type. Although I have to admit that these result were based on tests with Windows 9x. -- Enriko Groen, Hosting manager -------------------------------------------------------- netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 21 23:58:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E21C37B401 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id mvubaaaa for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:56:54 +1000 Message-ID: <3B32ED0E.69095793@quake.com.au> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 17:00:30 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Enriko Groen Cc: 'Aris Stathakis' , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID/vinum options (mail server) References: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A0247252622F7873@NETIVITY-FS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Enriko Groen wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Aris Stathakis [mailto:aris@sco.COM] > > > Has anyone had any success with the various inexpensive EIDE raid > > controllers available? Some are built into motherboards - others are > > add-in cards like the KW-571H for which there are Linux drivers. > > I heard some bad things (data loss) about a certain Asus motherboard with an > onboard EIDE RAID controller. Not sure which type. Although I have to admit > that these result were based on tests with Windows 9x. I think a lot of these motherboards with "onboard raid" are really "onboard software raid"... Its probably best to buy a seperate controller with the specs you want than getting an onboard one... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 1:15: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zero.namba1.com (zero.namba1.com [64.75.169.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA07937B401 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aaron@namba1.com) Received: from [134.173.120.114] by zero.namba1.com (NTMail 5.02.0001/QC8568.34.ce8cdec7) with ESMTP id hrbbaaaa for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:14:48 -1000 From: "Aaron Namba" To: "Kal Torak" , "Enriko Groen" Cc: "'Aris Stathakis'" , Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3B32ED0E.69095793@quake.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can vouch that most of the onboard raid options are not very speedy, and it's not just the inherent slowness and cpu-intensiveness IDE. The hardware is just slow. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kal Torak Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:01 AM To: Enriko Groen Cc: 'Aris Stathakis'; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Enriko Groen wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Aris Stathakis [mailto:aris@sco.COM] > > > Has anyone had any success with the various inexpensive EIDE raid > > controllers available? Some are built into motherboards - others are > > add-in cards like the KW-571H for which there are Linux drivers. > > I heard some bad things (data loss) about a certain Asus motherboard with an > onboard EIDE RAID controller. Not sure which type. Although I have to admit > that these result were based on tests with Windows 9x. I think a lot of these motherboards with "onboard raid" are really "onboard software raid"... Its probably best to buy a seperate controller with the specs you want than getting an onboard one... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 5:11: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0865137B401 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 05:11:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 56852 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 12:10:58 -0000 Received: from abyss.dashit.net (HELO ABYSS) (63.171.251.250) by psknet.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 12:10:58 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:10:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Forrest, I'm using WDE18300-0049 drives (U2W, SCA), mounted in: http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7511ABC80EDS3.htm All of which is in a case from the same manufacturer: http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7130Sds.htm Here's a picture of the beast: http://home.psknet.com/troy/pics/servers2.JPG (the box on top is running Win2k, ignore it) -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:15 PM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** Just curious, what chassis/drives are you using with this? ** ** On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:58:49 -0400 ** > From: Troy Settle ** > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** > ** > Took somewhere between 2 and 3 hours. Guess the AMI cards are ** a good bet, ** > even if we don't have tools from the OS to monitor/manage them. ** > ** > -- ** > Troy Settle ** > Pulaski Networks ** > 540.994.4254 ** > http://www.psknet.com ** > ** > ** > ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle ** > ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:22 PM ** > ** To: Forrest W. Christian ** > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** As requested, here's an update. ** > ** ** > ** Airborne just dropped off the replacement drive, I screwed ** it into the ** > ** caddy, inserted, turned the key to lock the caddy in, and after ** > ** spinning up, ** > ** the AMI Express 200 (series 466) started automatically ** > ** rebuilding the array. ** > ** ** > ** Will let y'all know when it's done to see how long it takes ** > ** (4x18gb, RAID5, ** > ** 16MB ram on the controller). ** > ** ** > ** -- ** > ** Troy Settle ** > ** Pulaski Networks ** > ** 540.994.4254 ** > ** http://www.psknet.com ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. ** > ** Christian ** > ** ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM ** > ** ** To: Troy Settle ** > ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** > ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI ** > ** Expres 200 (466) ** > ** ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while ** > ** until I could ** > ** ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the ** array is still ** > ** ** > trucking right along. ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive ** > ** ** installed and the ** > ** ** > array repaired. ** > ** ** ** > ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. ** > ** ** ** > ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? ** > ** ** ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** > ** ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** > ** ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. ** P.O. Box 5749 ** > ** ** http://www.imach.com/ ** Helena, MT 59604 ** > ** ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com ** (406)-442-6648 ** > ** ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** > ** ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 11: 7:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zero.namba1.com (zero.namba1.com [64.75.169.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183D837B403 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aaron@namba1.com) Received: from [134.173.120.114] by zero.namba1.com (NTMail 5.02.0001/QC8568.34.ce8cdec7) with ESMTP id subbaaaa for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:07:08 -1000 From: "Aaron Namba" To: "Troy Settle" , "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:07:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The machine above is inferior anyway. I use these same enclosures, they are excellent. However, I'd can't recommend their cases. I had someone else order the cases I'm currently using so unfortunately I don't remember who makes mine. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:11 AM To: Forrest W. Christian Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Forrest, I'm using WDE18300-0049 drives (U2W, SCA), mounted in: http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7511ABC80EDS3.htm All of which is in a case from the same manufacturer: http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7130Sds.htm Here's a picture of the beast: http://home.psknet.com/troy/pics/servers2.JPG (the box on top is running Win2k, ignore it) -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:15 PM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** Just curious, what chassis/drives are you using with this? ** ** On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:58:49 -0400 ** > From: Troy Settle ** > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** > ** > Took somewhere between 2 and 3 hours. Guess the AMI cards are ** a good bet, ** > even if we don't have tools from the OS to monitor/manage them. ** > ** > -- ** > Troy Settle ** > Pulaski Networks ** > 540.994.4254 ** > http://www.psknet.com ** > ** > ** > ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle ** > ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:22 PM ** > ** To: Forrest W. Christian ** > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** As requested, here's an update. ** > ** ** > ** Airborne just dropped off the replacement drive, I screwed ** it into the ** > ** caddy, inserted, turned the key to lock the caddy in, and after ** > ** spinning up, ** > ** the AMI Express 200 (series 466) started automatically ** > ** rebuilding the array. ** > ** ** > ** Will let y'all know when it's done to see how long it takes ** > ** (4x18gb, RAID5, ** > ** 16MB ram on the controller). ** > ** ** > ** -- ** > ** Troy Settle ** > ** Pulaski Networks ** > ** 540.994.4254 ** > ** http://www.psknet.com ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. ** > ** Christian ** > ** ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM ** > ** ** To: Troy Settle ** > ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** > ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI ** > ** Expres 200 (466) ** > ** ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while ** > ** until I could ** > ** ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the ** array is still ** > ** ** > trucking right along. ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive ** > ** ** installed and the ** > ** ** > array repaired. ** > ** ** ** > ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. ** > ** ** ** > ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? ** > ** ** ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** > ** ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** > ** ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. ** P.O. Box 5749 ** > ** ** http://www.imach.com/ ** Helena, MT 59604 ** > ** ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com ** (406)-442-6648 ** > ** ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** > ** ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 11:39:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D27DF37B406 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 11:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 21427 invoked by uid 85); 22 Jun 2001 18:38:51 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.1857 secs); 22 Jun 2001 18:38:51 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: troy@psknet.com via voyager.psknet.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: aaron@namba1.com,forrestc@imach.com,freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.95 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.1857 secs) Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 18:38:51 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Aaron Namba" , "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:39:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been using SVEC cases for years, and I'll admit that they're not the easiest to work with for building/repairing a server, but they're cheap and they work well. I've never had a heat problem with their 4U cases or a PS failure. Now that I've said it, I suppose it's time to order a couple PS2 powersupplies for standby =) -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 http://www.psknet.com ** -----Original Message----- ** From: Aaron Namba [mailto:aaron@namba1.com] ** Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 2:07 PM ** To: Troy Settle; Forrest W. Christian ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** The machine above is inferior anyway. ** ** I use these same enclosures, they are excellent. However, I'd can't ** recommend their cases. I had someone else order the cases I'm currently ** using so unfortunately I don't remember who makes mine. ** ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle ** Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:11 AM ** To: Forrest W. Christian ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** ** Forrest, ** ** I'm using WDE18300-0049 drives (U2W, SCA), mounted in: ** ** http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7511ABC80EDS3.htm ** ** All of which is in a case from the same manufacturer: ** ** http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7130Sds.htm ** ** Here's a picture of the beast: ** ** http://home.psknet.com/troy/pics/servers2.JPG ** (the box on top is running Win2k, ignore it) ** ** -- ** Troy Settle ** Pulaski Networks ** 540.994.4254 ** ** ** ** -----Original Message----- ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. ** Christian ** ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:15 PM ** ** To: Troy Settle ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** ** ** ** Just curious, what chassis/drives are you using with this? ** ** ** ** On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** ** ** > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:58:49 -0400 ** ** > From: Troy Settle ** ** > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** ** > Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > Took somewhere between 2 and 3 hours. Guess the AMI cards are ** ** a good bet, ** ** > even if we don't have tools from the OS to monitor/manage them. ** ** > ** ** > -- ** ** > Troy Settle ** ** > Pulaski Networks ** ** > 540.994.4254 ** ** > http://www.psknet.com ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** -----Original Message----- ** ** > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** ** > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle ** ** > ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:22 PM ** ** > ** To: Forrest W. Christian ** ** > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** ** > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** As requested, here's an update. ** ** > ** ** ** > ** Airborne just dropped off the replacement drive, I screwed ** ** it into the ** ** > ** caddy, inserted, turned the key to lock the caddy in, and after ** ** > ** spinning up, ** ** > ** the AMI Express 200 (series 466) started automatically ** ** > ** rebuilding the array. ** ** > ** ** ** > ** Will let y'all know when it's done to see how long it takes ** ** > ** (4x18gb, RAID5, ** ** > ** 16MB ram on the controller). ** ** > ** ** ** > ** -- ** ** > ** Troy Settle ** ** > ** Pulaski Networks ** ** > ** 540.994.4254 ** ** > ** http://www.psknet.com ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** -----Original Message----- ** ** > ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** ** > ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. ** ** > ** Christian ** ** > ** ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM ** ** > ** ** To: Troy Settle ** ** > ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** ** > ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** > ** ** ** ** > ** ** ** ** > ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** > ** ** ** ** > ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI ** ** > ** Expres 200 (466) ** ** > ** ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while ** ** > ** until I could ** ** > ** ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the ** ** array is still ** ** > ** ** > trucking right along. ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive ** ** > ** ** installed and the ** ** > ** ** > array repaired. ** ** > ** ** ** ** > ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. ** ** > ** ** ** ** > ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? ** ** > ** ** ** ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ** > ** ** ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** ** > ** ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. ** ** P.O. Box 5749 ** ** > ** ** http://www.imach.com/ ** ** Helena, MT 59604 ** ** > ** ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com ** ** (406)-442-6648 ** ** > ** ** ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** ** > ** ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 12:19:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gactr.uga.edu (mail.gactr.uga.edu [128.192.37.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BD3C37B401 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Robin_Blanchard@gactr.uga.edu) Received: (qmail 31718 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 19:19:22 -0000 Received: from qat.noc.nat (HELO gactr.uga.edu) ([10.10.100.125]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.servers.nat (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Jun 2001 19:19:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3B339A2B.8B5B2C15@gactr.uga.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:19:07 -0400 From: "Robin P. Blanchard" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: networking hell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org folks on the STABLE list didn't have an answer... hopefully more luck here. box with 100Mb fdx intel nic gets 11+MB/s transfers. great. install either 3com or Intel (i've ruined two boxes already) gigabit nic for testing purposes. rebuild kernel, etc. gets only 2.67MB/s transfers. i'll worry about this later. reinstall original 100Mb nic, rebuild kernel, etc. now gets only 2.67MB/s over this interface. replace nic. doesn't help. replace nic with 3Com 100Mb fdx nic, rebuild kernel, etc. still 2.67MB/s. plug into different port on switch. doesn't help. plug known working 100Mb fdx box into questionable port. works fine. blow away and reinstall questionable box. still 2.67MB/s no errors on box or switch (extreme black diamond). ideas please. -- ------------------------------------ Robin P. Blanchard IT Program Specialist Georgia Center for Continuing Ed. fon: 706.542.2404 fax: 706.542.6546 email: Robin_Blanchard@gactr.uga.edu ------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 14:23:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1552A37B401 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26152; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:00:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:00:48 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Troy Settle Cc: Aaron Namba , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org These look interesting. Do you have a source that you get these from? On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:39:02 -0400 > From: Troy Settle > To: Aaron Namba , Forrest W. Christian > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > > > I've been using SVEC cases for years, and I'll admit that they're not the > easiest to work with for building/repairing a server, but they're cheap and > they work well. I've never had a heat problem with their 4U cases or a PS > failure. > > Now that I've said it, I suppose it's time to order a couple PS2 > powersupplies for standby =) > > > -- > Troy Settle > Pulaski Networks > 540.994.4254 > http://www.psknet.com > > > ** -----Original Message----- > ** From: Aaron Namba [mailto:aaron@namba1.com] > ** Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 2:07 PM > ** To: Troy Settle; Forrest W. Christian > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > ** > ** > ** The machine above is inferior anyway. > ** > ** I use these same enclosures, they are excellent. However, I'd can't > ** recommend their cases. I had someone else order the cases I'm currently > ** using so unfortunately I don't remember who makes mine. > ** > ** -----Original Message----- > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle > ** Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:11 AM > ** To: Forrest W. Christian > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > ** > ** > ** > ** Forrest, > ** > ** I'm using WDE18300-0049 drives (U2W, SCA), mounted in: > ** > ** http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7511ABC80EDS3.htm > ** > ** All of which is in a case from the same manufacturer: > ** > ** http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7130Sds.htm > ** > ** Here's a picture of the beast: > ** > ** http://home.psknet.com/troy/pics/servers2.JPG > ** (the box on top is running Win2k, ignore it) > ** > ** -- > ** Troy Settle > ** Pulaski Networks > ** 540.994.4254 > ** > ** > ** ** -----Original Message----- > ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. > ** Christian > ** ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:15 PM > ** ** To: Troy Settle > ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** Just curious, what chassis/drives are you using with this? > ** ** > ** ** On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > ** ** > ** ** > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:58:49 -0400 > ** ** > From: Troy Settle > ** ** > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** ** > Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > Took somewhere between 2 and 3 hours. Guess the AMI cards are > ** ** a good bet, > ** ** > even if we don't have tools from the OS to monitor/manage them. > ** ** > > ** ** > -- > ** ** > Troy Settle > ** ** > Pulaski Networks > ** ** > 540.994.4254 > ** ** > http://www.psknet.com > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > ** -----Original Message----- > ** ** > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** ** > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle > ** ** > ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:22 PM > ** ** > ** To: Forrest W. Christian > ** ** > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > ** ** > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** As requested, here's an update. > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** Airborne just dropped off the replacement drive, I screwed > ** ** it into the > ** ** > ** caddy, inserted, turned the key to lock the caddy in, and after > ** ** > ** spinning up, > ** ** > ** the AMI Express 200 (series 466) started automatically > ** ** > ** rebuilding the array. > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** Will let y'all know when it's done to see how long it takes > ** ** > ** (4x18gb, RAID5, > ** ** > ** 16MB ram on the controller). > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** -- > ** ** > ** Troy Settle > ** ** > ** Pulaski Networks > ** ** > ** 540.994.4254 > ** ** > ** http://www.psknet.com > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** ** -----Original Message----- > ** ** > ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** ** > ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. > ** ** > ** Christian > ** ** > ** ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM > ** ** > ** ** To: Troy Settle > ** ** > ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > ** ** > ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI > ** ** > ** Expres 200 (466) > ** ** > ** ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz for a while > ** ** > ** until I could > ** ** > ** ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the > ** ** array is still > ** ** > ** ** > trucking right along. > ** ** > ** ** > > ** ** > ** ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get the new drive > ** ** > ** ** installed and the > ** ** > ** ** > array repaired. > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the FreeBSD context? > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** ** > ** ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. > ** ** P.O. Box 5749 > ** ** > ** ** http://www.imach.com/ > ** ** Helena, MT 59604 > ** ** > ** ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com > ** ** (406)-442-6648 > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** ** > ** ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit > http://www.lp.org/ > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** > ** ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > > ** > > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > > ** > ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 > ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 > ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 > ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ > ** > ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > ** > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 14:29:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B86D37B401 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:29:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26188; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:07:10 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: "Robin P. Blanchard" Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: networking hell In-Reply-To: <3B339A2B.8B5B2C15@gactr.uga.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Different slot? Reset PNP info in bios? Reset bios to defaults? On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Robin P. Blanchard wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:19:07 -0400 > From: Robin P. Blanchard > To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: networking hell > > folks on the STABLE list didn't have an answer... > hopefully more luck here. > > box with 100Mb fdx intel nic gets 11+MB/s transfers. > great. > > install either 3com or Intel (i've ruined two boxes already) > gigabit nic for testing purposes. > rebuild kernel, etc. gets only 2.67MB/s transfers. > i'll worry about this later. reinstall original 100Mb nic, rebuild kernel, etc. > now gets only 2.67MB/s over this interface. > > replace nic. doesn't help. > > replace nic with 3Com 100Mb fdx nic, rebuild kernel, etc. > still 2.67MB/s. > > plug into different port on switch. doesn't help. > > plug known working 100Mb fdx box into questionable port. works fine. > > blow away and reinstall questionable box. still 2.67MB/s > > no errors on box or switch (extreme black diamond). > > ideas please. > > > -- > ------------------------------------ > Robin P. Blanchard > IT Program Specialist > Georgia Center for Continuing Ed. > fon: 706.542.2404 fax: 706.542.6546 > email: Robin_Blanchard@gactr.uga.edu > ------------------------------------ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 15:10:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2185D37B406 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 23186 invoked by uid 85); 22 Jun 2001 22:10:20 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.208024 secs); 22 Jun 2001 22:10:20 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: troy@psknet.com via voyager.psknet.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Rcpt-To: forrestc@imach.com,freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Qmail-Scanner: 0.95 (No viruses found. Processed in 0.208024 secs) Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 22:10:19 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:10:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christian, I bought the case and carriers direct from SVEC (through a US office), contact info is on their site. Might also want to check out http://www.calpc.com or any one of dozens of manufacturers/resellers. If you search the list for "rackmount", I'm sure you'll come up with plenty of resources. WD doesn't make SCSI drives anymore (is this a good thing?), but even if they did, I don't know that I would reccomend them. Go with high-end IBM or Seagate SCA drives. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 http://www.psknet.com ** -----Original Message----- ** From: Forrest W. Christian [mailto:forrestc@imach.com] ** Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:01 PM ** To: Troy Settle ** Cc: Aaron Namba; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** ** ** These look interesting. Do you have a source that you get these from? ** ** On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** ** > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:39:02 -0400 ** > From: Troy Settle ** > To: Aaron Namba , Forrest W. Christian ** ** > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** > ** > I've been using SVEC cases for years, and I'll admit that ** they're not the ** > easiest to work with for building/repairing a server, but ** they're cheap and ** > they work well. I've never had a heat problem with their 4U ** cases or a PS ** > failure. ** > ** > Now that I've said it, I suppose it's time to order a couple PS2 ** > powersupplies for standby =) ** > ** > ** > -- ** > Troy Settle ** > Pulaski Networks ** > 540.994.4254 ** > http://www.psknet.com ** > ** > ** > ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** From: Aaron Namba [mailto:aaron@namba1.com] ** > ** Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 2:07 PM ** > ** To: Troy Settle; Forrest W. Christian ** > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** The machine above is inferior anyway. ** > ** ** > ** I use these same enclosures, they are excellent. However, I'd can't ** > ** recommend their cases. I had someone else order the cases ** I'm currently ** > ** using so unfortunately I don't remember who makes mine. ** > ** ** > ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle ** > ** Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 5:11 AM ** > ** To: Forrest W. Christian ** > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** Forrest, ** > ** ** > ** I'm using WDE18300-0049 drives (U2W, SCA), mounted in: ** > ** ** > ** http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7511ABC80EDS3.htm ** > ** ** > ** All of which is in a case from the same manufacturer: ** > ** ** > ** http://210.65.182.77/Products/FD7130Sds.htm ** > ** ** > ** Here's a picture of the beast: ** > ** ** > ** http://home.psknet.com/troy/pics/servers2.JPG ** > ** (the box on top is running Win2k, ignore it) ** > ** ** > ** -- ** > ** Troy Settle ** > ** Pulaski Networks ** > ** 540.994.4254 ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. ** > ** Christian ** > ** ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:15 PM ** > ** ** To: Troy Settle ** > ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** Just curious, what chassis/drives are you using with this? ** > ** ** ** > ** ** On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:58:49 -0400 ** > ** ** > From: Troy Settle ** > ** ** > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** ** > Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > Took somewhere between 2 and 3 hours. Guess the AMI cards are ** > ** ** a good bet, ** > ** ** > even if we don't have tools from the OS to monitor/manage them. ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > -- ** > ** ** > Troy Settle ** > ** ** > Pulaski Networks ** > ** ** > 540.994.4254 ** > ** ** > http://www.psknet.com ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** ** > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** ** > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ** Troy Settle ** > ** ** > ** Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 1:22 PM ** > ** ** > ** To: Forrest W. Christian ** > ** ** > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** > ** ** > ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** As requested, here's an update. ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** Airborne just dropped off the replacement drive, I screwed ** > ** ** it into the ** > ** ** > ** caddy, inserted, turned the key to lock the caddy ** in, and after ** > ** ** > ** spinning up, ** > ** ** > ** the AMI Express 200 (series 466) started automatically ** > ** ** > ** rebuilding the array. ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** Will let y'all know when it's done to see how long it takes ** > ** ** > ** (4x18gb, RAID5, ** > ** ** > ** 16MB ram on the controller). ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** -- ** > ** ** > ** Troy Settle ** > ** ** > ** Pulaski Networks ** > ** ** > ** 540.994.4254 ** > ** ** > ** http://www.psknet.com ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** -----Original Message----- ** > ** ** > ** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** > ** ** > ** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf ** Of Forrest W. ** > ** ** > ** Christian ** > ** ** > ** ** Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 5:13 PM ** > ** ** > ** ** To: Troy Settle ** > ** ** > ** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** > ** ** > ** ** Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) ** > ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Troy Settle wrote: ** > ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > I just had a drive fail on me today. I'm using an AMI ** > ** ** > ** Expres 200 (466) ** > ** ** > ** ** > controller, and while the alarm drove me nutz ** for a while ** > ** ** > ** until I could ** > ** ** > ** ** > silence it, I was able to pull the bad drive, and the ** > ** ** array is still ** > ** ** > ** ** > trucking right along. ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** ** > If you like, I'll post an update when I get ** the new drive ** > ** ** > ** ** installed and the ** > ** ** > ** ** > array repaired. ** > ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** Please do. This looks like an interesting option. ** > ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** Just curious, how do you manage these in the ** FreeBSD context? ** > ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** > ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** > ** ** > ** ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. ** > ** ** P.O. Box 5749 ** > ** ** > ** ** http://www.imach.com/ ** > ** ** Helena, MT 59604 ** > ** ** > ** ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com ** > ** ** (406)-442-6648 ** > ** ** > ** ** ** > ** ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** > ** ** > ** ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit ** > http://www.lp.org/ ** > ** > ** ** ** > ** > ** ** ** > ** > ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** > ** ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** > ** ** ** > ** > ** ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** > ** > ** ** > ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** > ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** > ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. ** P.O. Box 5749 ** > ** http://www.imach.com/ ** Helena, MT 59604 ** > ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com ** (406)-442-6648 ** > ** ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** > ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** > ** ** - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 ** http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 ** Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 15:32: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [64.81.208.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD9E237B406 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ml@db.nexgen.com) Received: (qmail 96857 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 22:32:34 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO book) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 22:32:34 -0000 Message-ID: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book> From: "alexus" To: , Subject: disable traceroute to my host Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 18:32:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org is it possible to disable using ipfw so people won't be able to traceroute me? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 16: 4:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D652337B408; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f5MN4h200469; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:04:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:04:43 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: alexus Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host Message-ID: <20010622160443.A29783@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book>; from ml@db.nexgen.com on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 06:32:10PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 06:32:10PM -0400, alexus wrote: > is it possible to disable using ipfw so people won't be able to traceroute > me? Not really. Traceroute works be setting the hop count of an IP packet very low so that it gets an ICMP error message back from each router along the way. You might be able to set things up to hide your internal network by not changing the hop count when packets pass through your routers, but that's it. You can do this with FreeBSD, but I can't seem to find the option at the moment. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7M88KXY6L6fI4GtQRAqR7AKDgnrbxfpT4icvohMnVDBu5hU4sYwCeIqgj aYLX0YMylpTstOWtQy7mqRc= =I1nE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 19:29:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roulen-gw.morning.ru (roulen-gw.morning.ru [195.161.98.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E3937B401 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:29:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poige@morning.ru) Received: from NIC1 (seven.ld [192.168.11.7]) by roulen-gw.morning.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7DB25; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:29:54 +0800 (KRAST) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:30:20 +0700 From: Igor Podlesny X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52 Beta/7) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Morning Network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7457566496.20010623103020@morning.ru> To: "Robin P. Blanchard" Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: networking hell In-Reply-To: <3B339A2B.8B5B2C15@gactr.uga.edu> References: <3B339A2B.8B5B2C15@gactr.uga.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > folks on the STABLE list didn't have an answer... > hopefully more luck here. > box with 100Mb fdx intel nic gets 11+MB/s transfers. > great. > install either 3com or Intel (i've ruined two boxes already) > gigabit nic for testing purposes. > rebuild kernel, etc. gets only 2.67MB/s transfers. > i'll worry about this later. reinstall original 100Mb nic, rebuild kernel, etc. > now gets only 2.67MB/s over this interface. > replace nic. doesn't help. > replace nic with 3Com 100Mb fdx nic, rebuild kernel, etc. > still 2.67MB/s. > plug into different port on switch. doesn't help. > plug known working 100Mb fdx box into questionable port. works fine. > blow away and reinstall questionable box. still 2.67MB/s > no errors on box or switch (extreme black diamond). > ideas please. what does 'ifconfig' say about the NIC? Are you sure its media type is correctly set? Did you try to specify media type manually instead of autodetection? -- Igor mailto:poige@morning.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 22 20:12:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roulen-gw.morning.ru (roulen-gw.morning.ru [195.161.98.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D2E37B406; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poige@morning.ru) Received: from NIC1 (seven.ld [192.168.11.7]) by roulen-gw.morning.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C31C25; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:12:41 +0800 (KRAST) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:13:08 +0700 From: Igor Podlesny X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52 Beta/7) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Morning Network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13760134158.20010623111308@morning.ru> To: "alexus" Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host In-Reply-To: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book> References: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > is it possible to disable using ipfw so people won't be able to traceroute > me? Yes, of course. You should know how do traceroute-like utilities work. The knowledge can be easily extracted from a lot of sources, for e.g. from Internet, cause you seem to be connected ;) but, it also should be mentioned that man pages coming with FreeBSD (I guess as well as with other *NIX-likes OSes) also describe the algo. so man traceroute says, that it uses udp ports starting with 33434 and goes up with every new hop. but this could be easily changed with -p option. Besides, windows' tracert works using icmp proto, so the decision isn't here. It lies in what does the box do when answering to them. It does send 'time exceeded in-transit' icmp message cause TTL value is set too low to let the packet jump forward. So it is the answer -- you should disallow it with your ipfw. for e.g. using such syntax: deny icmp from any to any icmptype 11 (yeah, you should carefully think about whether or not to use ANY cause if you're box is a gateway other people will notice your cutting-edge knowledge cause it will hide not only your host ;) This is not the end, alas. unix traceroute will wait for port unreach icmp so after meeting, it stops and displays the end-point of your trace. Windows' tracert will wait for normal icmp-echo-reply for the same purpose. So if you also wish to hide the end point, you need to disallow this also. I bet you can figure out the way how by yourself, now. P.S. there are also other ways (even more elegant) of doing that in practice... they called 'stealth routing' and can be implemented via FreeBSD kernel mechanism (sysctl + built-in kernel support) or with ipf (ipfilter) read the man pages, man, they are freely available... -- Igor mailto:poige@morning.ru http://poige.nm.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 7:12:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial1-2-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A453C37B40B for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 07:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA74473 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:12:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:12:04 +1000 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: [slightly OT] standalone PHP memory consumed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Just wondering if anyone else here has noticed that the standalone PHP (ie minus the "--with-apache" option) seems to eat more and more memory? I have a slightly unusual application that parses several web pages and pulls out image and href URLs; when I start it, the process size is just over 2Mb. As the script crunches the process size continues to grow, often past 100Mb. I'm not sure if it's a memory leak bug, or a fundamental limitation of the way the interpreter works. For example: function somefunction { $t = "hello"; return $t; // does $t get freed here? } $variable = somefunction(); In this case is a *copy* of $t returned and $t freed, OR is the reference/address of $t returned and it's never freed? I might do some testing to see if I can figure it out.... This is the only reason I can think of this behaviour, there is nothing in my script that could eat up 100Mb of memory by itself. As always, any pointers appreciated. :) Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://info.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9329-5498 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 7:44:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wallace.webmatic.de (wallace.webmatic.de [212.78.99.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AD237B406 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 07:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@chef-ingenieur.de) Received: from ncc1701.chef-ingenieur.de (guru.chef-ingenieur.de [212.78.97.166]) by wallace.webmatic.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B617CEC for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:44:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010623164031.00a513b0@wallace.webmatic.de> X-Sender: guru-fbsd@wallace.webmatic.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:46:21 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Thomas Krause, CI" Subject: Apache+PHP: Floating point exception Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I've installed apache+mod_ssl-1.3.20+2.8.4 + mod_php4-4.0.5_2 under FreeBSD 4.3-REL. In the apache_error_log I see lots of entries like this: [Sat Jun 23 16:23:33 2001] [notice] child pid 17588 exit signal Floating point exception (8) I don't had this errors with apache 1.3.12 + php4.0.4pl1. Any ideas of this? Regards, Thomas. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 9:29: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.caravan.ru (mx1.caravan.ru [217.23.130.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440FA37B405 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mag@caravan.ru) Received: from virscan (helo=mx1.caravan.ru) by mx1.caravan.ru with scanned-ok (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15DqHF-000Hs4-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:28:53 +0400 Received: from mag.caravan.ru ([217.23.130.98] helo=caravan.ru) by mx1.caravan.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15DqGs-000HmT-00; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:28:30 +0400 Message-ID: <3B34C3AE.3000308@caravan.ru> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:28:30 +0400 From: Alexey G Misurenko Reply-To: mag@caravan.ru Organization: ISP Caravan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386; en-US; rv:0.9.1) Gecko/20010621 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas Krause, CI" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache+PHP: Floating point exception References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010623164031.00a513b0@wallace.webmatic.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Krause, CI wrote: > > Hello, > > I've installed apache+mod_ssl-1.3.20+2.8.4 + mod_php4-4.0.5_2 under > FreeBSD 4.3-REL. > In the apache_error_log I see lots of entries like this: > > [Sat Jun 23 16:23:33 2001] [notice] child pid 17588 exit signal Floating > point exception (8) > > I don't had this errors with apache 1.3.12 + php4.0.4pl1. Any ideas of > this? > > Regards, > Thomas. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Hello! If you visit www.php.net and attentively read anoncement you can understant what going on %) Try to use mod_php4-4.0.6 -- WBR, Alexey G Misurenko ( MAG-RIPE | MMAGG-RIPN ) Tech. Director of Caravan ISP http://www.caravan.ru Phone: +7 095 3632252 Cell: +7 901 7450163 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 10:20:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from supernova.dimensional.com (supernova.dimensional.com [206.124.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 330A337B405; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:20:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from valence@symboliq.org) Received: from flatland.dimensional.com (valence@flatland.dimensional.com [206.124.0.24]) by supernova.dimensional.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5NHKG912417; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:20:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:20:23 -0600 (MDT) From: valence X-Sender: valence@flatland.dimensional.com To: alexus Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host In-Reply-To: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book> Message-ID: X-LOST: Will Always Be X-RATED: Oh Yeah Baby! X-Files: The Truth is Out There X-MEN: Wolverine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.lovric.net/antiroute On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, alexus wrote: =AD=AD=BB is it possible to disable using ipfw so people won't be able to t= raceroute =AD=AD=BB me? =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB=20 =AD=AD=BB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org =AD=AD=BB with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message =AD=AD=BB=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 11: 4:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wallace.webmatic.de (wallace.webmatic.de [212.78.99.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDC037B407 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@chef-ingenieur.de) Received: from ncc1701.chef-ingenieur.de (guru.chef-ingenieur.de [212.78.97.166]) by wallace.webmatic.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195A57CF0; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:04:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010623200358.00a514e0@wallace.webmatic.de> X-Sender: guru-fbsd@wallace.webmatic.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:06:29 +0200 To: mag@caravan.ru From: "Thomas Krause, CI" Subject: Re: Apache+PHP: Floating point exception Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3B34C3AE.3000308@caravan.ru> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010623164031.00a513b0@wallace.webmatic.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 20:28 23.06.2001 +0400, Alexey G Misurenko wrote: >Thomas Krause, CI wrote: > >>Hello, >>I've installed apache+mod_ssl-1.3.20+2.8.4 + mod_php4-4.0.5_2 under >>FreeBSD 4.3-REL. >>In the apache_error_log I see lots of entries like this: >>[Sat Jun 23 16:23:33 2001] [notice] child pid 17588 exit signal Floating >>point exception (8) >>I don't had this errors with apache 1.3.12 + php4.0.4pl1. Any ideas of this? > >Hello! > >If you visit www.php.net and >attentively read anoncement you can understant what going on %) > >Try to use mod_php4-4.0.6 I've installed Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) mod_perl/1.25 PHP/4.0.5 mod_ssl/2.8.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 at an other machine - and I do not have any problems! But okay, I'll try 4.0.6 if there is a port. Regards, Thomas. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 12:17:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1FA37B406 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:17:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA15173; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:17:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-116.tnt1.rac.cyberlynk.net(209.224.182.116) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma015171; Sat Jun 23 14:17:13 2001 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20010623134602.035a3b90@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:13:23 -0500 To: Enriko Groen , "'Aris Stathakis'" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: RE: RAID/vinum options (mail server) In-Reply-To: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A0247252622F7873@NETIVITY-FS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:50 AM 6/22/01 +0200, Enriko Groen wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Aris Stathakis [mailto:aris@sco.COM] > > > Has anyone had any success with the various inexpensive EIDE raid > > controllers available? Some are built into motherboards - others are > > add-in cards like the KW-571H for which there are Linux drivers. > >I heard some bad things (data loss) about a certain Asus motherboard with an >onboard EIDE RAID controller. Not sure which type. Although I have to admit >that these result were based on tests with Windows 9x. Mike Smith has voiced his opinion on -stable that they are not RAID controllers per say and are "way too raw (IMO) for production use." The 3Ware cards work well and until Adaptec's IDE RAID is support, is the only dedicated controller (ie one drive, one controller). Reputedly the 3Ware RAID cards do not work as well with Doze, so other controllers with similar results are of no surprise. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 12:33:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from frosty.jewfish.net (cc773863-a.flushing1.mi.home.com [65.10.192.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE49137B406; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jewfish@jewfish.net) Received: from jewfish.net (lucy.jewfish.net [172.17.254.15]) by frosty.jewfish.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5NJWRF43757; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:32:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jewfish@jewfish.net) Message-ID: <3B34EEC8.9010606@jewfish.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:32:24 -0400 From: Jewfish User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.1) Gecko/20010607 Netscape6/6.1b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Igor Podlesny Cc: alexus , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host References: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book> <13760134158.20010623111308@morning.ru> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060909000703080703070904" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------060909000703080703070904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are the rules I have come up with on my own firewall to disable tracerouting and pinging (something which might not be for everybody), but allows me to traceroute and pring from the host and recieve all the responses: allow icmp from any to any in recv ep0 icmptype 0,3,11,14,16,18 allow icmp from any to any out xmit ep0 icmptype 8 ep0 being, of course, my external interface. This seems to qork quite well for me. Some other ideas were brought up about denying the "time-to-live-exceeded" icmptype (11) because of packets that may take a long time to reach the host. However, this is the easiest method I could come up with using firewall rules. Obviously, these rules also deny ping traffic, which is not recommended for everyone. However, I have recently gotten a lot of ping floods, so I enacted this (possibly on a temporary basis) to deal with this, while still allowing me to ping out (icmptype 8) and recieve the replies (icmptype 0). James Igor Podlesny wrote: >>is it possible to disable using ipfw so people won't be able to traceroute >>me? >> > >Yes, of course. > >You should know how do traceroute-like utilities work. > >The knowledge can be easily extracted from a lot of sources, for e.g. >from Internet, cause you seem to be connected ;) but, it also should >be mentioned that man pages coming with FreeBSD (I guess as well as >with other *NIX-likes OSes) also describe the algo. > >so man traceroute says, that it uses udp ports starting with 33434 and >goes up with every new hop. but this could be easily changed with -p >option. Besides, windows' tracert works using icmp proto, so the >decision isn't here. It lies in what does the box do when answering to >them. It does send 'time exceeded in-transit' icmp message cause TTL >value is set too low to let the packet jump forward. So it is the >answer -- you should disallow it with your ipfw. for e.g. using such >syntax: > >deny icmp from any to any icmptype 11 > >(yeah, you should carefully think about whether or not to use ANY >cause if you're box is a gateway other people will notice your >cutting-edge knowledge cause it will hide not only your host ;) > >This is not the end, alas. unix traceroute will wait for port unreach >icmp so after meeting, it stops and displays the end-point of your >trace. Windows' tracert will wait for normal icmp-echo-reply for the >same purpose. So if you also wish to hide the end point, you need to >disallow this also. I bet you can figure out the way how by yourself, >now. > >P.S. there are also other ways (even more elegant) of doing that in >practice... they called 'stealth routing' and can be implemented via >FreeBSD kernel mechanism (sysctl + built-in kernel support) or with >ipf (ipfilter) > >read the man pages, man, they are freely available... > --------------060909000703080703070904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are the rules I have come up with on my own firewall to disable tracerouting and pinging (something which might not be for everybody), but allows me to traceroute and pring from the host and recieve all the responses:

allow icmp from any to any in recv ep0 icmptype 0,3,11,14,16,18
allow icmp from any to any out xmit ep0 icmptype 8

ep0 being, of course, my external interface.  This seems to qork quite well for me.  Some other ideas were brought up about denying the "time-to-live-exceeded" icmptype (11) because of packets that may take a long time to reach the host.  However, this is the easiest method I could come up with using firewall rules.

Obviously, these rules also deny ping traffic, which is not recommended for everyone.  However, I have recently gotten a lot of ping floods, so I enacted this (possibly on a temporary basis) to deal with this, while still allowing me to ping out (icmptype 8) and recieve the replies (icmptype 0).

James

Igor Podlesny wrote:
is it possible to disable using ipfw so people won't be able to traceroute
me?

Yes, of course.

You should know how do traceroute-like utilities work.

The  knowledge can be easily extracted from a lot of sources, for e.g.
from  Internet,  cause you seem to be connected ;) but, it also should
be  mentioned  that  man pages coming with FreeBSD (I guess as well as
with other *NIX-likes OSes) also describe the algo.

so man traceroute says, that it uses udp ports starting with 33434 and
goes  up  with every new hop. but this could be easily changed with -p
option.  Besides,  windows'  tracert  works  using  icmp proto, so the
decision isn't here. It lies in what does the box do when answering to
them.  It  does send 'time exceeded in-transit' icmp message cause TTL
value  is  set  too  low  to let the packet jump forward. So it is the
answer  --  you should disallow it with your ipfw. for e.g. using such
syntax:

deny icmp from any to any icmptype 11

(yeah,  you  shou!
 ld  carefully  think  about whether or not to use ANY
cause  if  you're  box  is  a  gateway  other  people will notice your
cutting-edge knowledge cause it will hide not only your host ;)

This  is not the end, alas. unix traceroute will wait for port unreach
icmp  so  after  meeting,  it stops and displays the end-point of your
trace.  Windows'  tracert will wait for normal icmp-echo-reply for the
same  purpose.  So if you also wish to hide the end point, you need to
disallow  this also. I bet you can figure out the way how by yourself,
now.

P.S.  there  are  also other ways (even more elegant) of doing that in
practice...  they  called 'stealth routing' and can be implemented via
FreeBSD  kernel  mechanism  (sysctl + built-in kernel support) or with
ipf (ipfilter)

read the man pages, man, they are freely available...


--------------060909000703080703070904-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 15: 1:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4484937B405; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:01:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Received: from Brian (cx175057-b.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.147]) by cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5NM0kA32665; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Message-ID: <003d01c0fc30$053716a0$3324200a@sonicboom.org> From: "Brian" To: "Jewfish" , "Igor Podlesny" Cc: "alexus" , , References: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book> <13760134158.20010623111308@morning.ru> <3B34EEC8.9010606@jewfish.net> Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 15:01:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0FBF5.54B0B500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0FBF5.54B0B500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Arent u leaving out some details, like for example windows tracert is = icmp based, whereas unix traces are udp.. Bri ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jewfish=20 To: Igor Podlesny=20 Cc: alexus ; freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host These are the rules I have come up with on my own firewall to disable = tracerouting and pinging (something which might not be for everybody), = but allows me to traceroute and pring from the host and recieve all the = responses: allow icmp from any to any in recv ep0 icmptype 0,3,11,14,16,18 allow icmp from any to any out xmit ep0 icmptype 8 ep0 being, of course, my external interface. This seems to qork quite = well for me. Some other ideas were brought up about denying the = "time-to-live-exceeded" icmptype (11) because of packets that may take a = long time to reach the host. However, this is the easiest method I = could come up with using firewall rules. Obviously, these rules also deny ping traffic, which is not = recommended for everyone. However, I have recently gotten a lot of ping = floods, so I enacted this (possibly on a temporary basis) to deal with = this, while still allowing me to ping out (icmptype 8) and recieve the = replies (icmptype 0). James Igor Podlesny wrote: is it possible to disable using ipfw so people won't be able to = tracerouteme? Yes, of course.You should know how do traceroute-like utilities work.The = knowledge can be easily extracted from a lot of sources, for e.g.from = Internet, cause you seem to be connected ;) but, it also shouldbe = mentioned that man pages coming with FreeBSD (I guess as well aswith = other *NIX-likes OSes) also describe the algo.so man traceroute says, = that it uses udp ports starting with 33434 andgoes up with every new = hop. but this could be easily changed with -poption. Besides, windows' = tracert works using icmp proto, so thedecision isn't here. It lies = in what does the box do when answering tothem. It does send 'time = exceeded in-transit' icmp message cause TTLvalue is set too low to = let the packet jump forward. So it is theanswer -- you should disallow = it with your ipfw. for e.g. using suchsyntax:deny icmp from any to any = icmptype 11(yeah, you shou! ld carefully think about whether or not to use ANYcause if you're = box is a gateway other people will notice yourcutting-edge = knowledge cause it will hide not only your host ;)This is not the end, = alas. unix traceroute will wait for port unreachicmp so after = meeting, it stops and displays the end-point of yourtrace. Windows' = tracert will wait for normal icmp-echo-reply for thesame purpose. So = if you also wish to hide the end point, you need todisallow this also. = I bet you can figure out the way how by yourself,now.P.S. there are = also other ways (even more elegant) of doing that inpractice... they = called 'stealth routing' and can be implemented viaFreeBSD kernel = mechanism (sysctl + built-in kernel support) or withipf (ipfilter)read = the man pages, man, they are freely available... ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0FBF5.54B0B500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Arent u leaving out some details, like = for example=20 windows tracert is icmp based, whereas unix traces are = udp..
 
    Bri
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jewfish=20
Cc: alexus ; freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG= ;=20 freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG =
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 = 12:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: disable traceroute = to my=20 host

These are the rules I have come up with on my own = firewall to=20 disable tracerouting and pinging (something which might not be for = everybody),=20 but allows me to traceroute and pring from the host and recieve all = the=20 responses:

allow icmp from any to any in recv ep0 icmptype=20 0,3,11,14,16,18
allow icmp from any to any out xmit ep0 icmptype=20 8

ep0 being, of course, my external interface.  This seems = to qork=20 quite well for me.  Some other ideas were brought up about = denying the=20 "time-to-live-exceeded" icmptype (11) because of packets that may take = a long=20 time to reach the host.  However, this is the easiest method I = could come=20 up with using firewall rules.

Obviously, these rules also deny = ping=20 traffic, which is not recommended for everyone.  However, I have = recently=20 gotten a lot of ping floods, so I enacted this (possibly on a = temporary basis)=20 to deal with this, while still allowing me to ping out (icmptype 8) = and=20 recieve the replies (icmptype 0).

James

Igor Podlesny = wrote:
is it possible to disable =
using ipfw so people won't be able to =
traceroute
me?

Yes, =
of course.

You should know how do traceroute-like utilities =
work.

The  knowledge can be easily extracted from a lot of =
sources, for e.g.
from  Internet,  cause you seem to be connected ;) =
but, it also should
be  mentioned  that  man pages coming with =
FreeBSD (I guess as well as
with other *NIX-likes OSes) also describe =
the algo.

so man traceroute says, that it uses udp ports starting =
with 33434 and
goes  up  with every new hop. but this could be easily =
changed with -p
option.  Besides,  windows'  tracert  works  using  =
icmp proto, so the
decision isn't here. It lies in what does the box =
do when answering to
them.  It  does send 'time exceeded in-transit' =
icmp message cause TTL
value  is  set  too  low  to let the packet =
jump forward. So it is the
answer  --  you should disallow it with =
your ipfw. for e.g. using such
syntax:

deny icmp from any to =
any icmptype 11

(yeah,  you  shou!
 ld  carefully  think  about whether or not to use ANY
cause  if  =
you're  box  is  a  gateway  other  people will notice =
your
cutting-edge knowledge cause it will hide not only your host =
;)

This  is not the end, alas. unix traceroute will wait for port =
unreach
icmp  so  after  meeting,  it stops and displays the =
end-point of your
trace.  Windows'  tracert will wait for normal =
icmp-echo-reply for the
same  purpose.  So if you also wish to hide =
the end point, you need to
disallow  this also. I bet you can figure =
out the way how by yourself,
now.

P.S.  there  are  also other =
ways (even more elegant) of doing that in
practice...  they  called =
'stealth routing' and can be implemented via
FreeBSD  kernel  =
mechanism  (sysctl + built-in kernel support) or with
ipf =
(ipfilter)

read the man pages, man, they are freely =
available...


------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0FBF5.54B0B500-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 23 21:55:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [64.81.208.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6ED1837B406 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ml@db.nexgen.com) Received: (qmail 4748 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2001 04:55:47 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO book) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2001 04:55:47 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c0fc69$de353b10$9865fea9@book> From: "alexus" To: "Brian" , "Jewfish" , "Igor Podlesny" Cc: , References: <006a01c0fb6b$2d64d830$9865fea9@book> <13760134158.20010623111308@morning.ru> <3B34EEC8.9010606@jewfish.net> <003d01c0fc30$053716a0$3324200a@sonicboom.org> Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:55:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0FC48.55A70D30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0FC48.55A70D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable up until now i was so sure that tracerroute uses imcp only.. but = apparenatly i was wrong.. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian=20 To: Jewfish ; Igor Podlesny=20 Cc: alexus ; freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host Arent u leaving out some details, like for example windows tracert is = icmp based, whereas unix traces are udp.. Bri ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jewfish=20 To: Igor Podlesny=20 Cc: alexus ; freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: disable traceroute to my host These are the rules I have come up with on my own firewall to = disable tracerouting and pinging (something which might not be for = everybody), but allows me to traceroute and pring from the host and = recieve all the responses: allow icmp from any to any in recv ep0 icmptype 0,3,11,14,16,18 allow icmp from any to any out xmit ep0 icmptype 8 ep0 being, of course, my external interface. This seems to qork = quite well for me. Some other ideas were brought up about denying the = "time-to-live-exceeded" icmptype (11) because of packets that may take a = long time to reach the host. However, this is the easiest method I = could come up with using firewall rules. Obviously, these rules also deny ping traffic, which is not = recommended for everyone. However, I have recently gotten a lot of ping = floods, so I enacted this (possibly on a temporary basis) to deal with = this, while still allowing me to ping out (icmptype 8) and recieve the = replies (icmptype 0). James Igor Podlesny wrote: is it possible to disable using ipfw so people won't be able to = tracerouteme? Yes, of course.You should know how do traceroute-like utilities work.The = knowledge can be easily extracted from a lot of sources, for e.g.from = Internet, cause you seem to be connected ;) but, it also shouldbe = mentioned that man pages coming with FreeBSD (I guess as well aswith = other *NIX-likes OSes) also describe the algo.so man traceroute says, = that it uses udp ports starting with 33434 andgoes up with every new = hop. but this could be easily changed with -poption. Besides, windows' = tracert works using icmp proto, so thedecision isn't here. It lies = in what does the box do when answering tothem. It does send 'time = exceeded in-transit' icmp message cause TTLvalue is set too low to = let the packet jump forward. So it is theanswer -- you should disallow = it with your ipfw. for e.g. using suchsyntax:deny icmp from any to any = icmptype 11(yeah, you shou! ld carefully think about whether or not to use ANYcause if you're = box is a gateway other people will notice yourcutting-edge = knowledge cause it will hide not only your host ;)This is not the end, = alas. unix traceroute will wait for port unreachicmp so after = meeting, it stops and displays the end-point of yourtrace. Windows' = tracert will wait for normal icmp-echo-reply for thesame purpose. So = if you also wish to hide the end point, you need todisallow this also. = I bet you can figure out the way how by yourself,now.P.S. there are = also other ways (even more elegant) of doing that inpractice... they = called 'stealth routing' and can be implemented viaFreeBSD kernel = mechanism (sysctl + built-in kernel support) or withipf (ipfilter)read = the man pages, man, they are freely available... ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0FC48.55A70D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
up until now i was so sure that tracerroute uses = imcp only..=20 but apparenatly i was wrong..
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian
Cc: alexus ; freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG= ;=20 freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG =
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 = 6:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: disable traceroute = to my=20 host

Arent u leaving out some details, = like for=20 example windows tracert is icmp based, whereas unix traces are=20 udp..
 
    Bri
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jewfish=20
Cc: alexus ; freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG= =20 ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG =
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 = 12:32=20 PM
Subject: Re: disable = traceroute to my=20 host

These are the rules I have come up with on my own = firewall to=20 disable tracerouting and pinging (something which might not be for=20 everybody), but allows me to traceroute and pring from the host and = recieve=20 all the responses:

allow icmp from any to any in recv ep0 = icmptype=20 0,3,11,14,16,18
allow icmp from any to any out xmit ep0 icmptype=20 8

ep0 being, of course, my external interface.  This = seems to=20 qork quite well for me.  Some other ideas were brought up about = denying=20 the "time-to-live-exceeded" icmptype (11) because of packets that = may take a=20 long time to reach the host.  However, this is the easiest = method I=20 could come up with using firewall rules.

Obviously, these = rules also=20 deny ping traffic, which is not recommended for everyone. =  However, I=20 have recently gotten a lot of ping floods, so I enacted this = (possibly on a=20 temporary basis) to deal with this, while still allowing me to ping = out=20 (icmptype 8) and recieve the replies (icmptype = 0).

James

Igor=20 Podlesny wrote:
is it possible to disable =
using ipfw so people won't be able to =
traceroute
me?

Yes, =
of course.

You should know how do traceroute-like utilities =
work.

The  knowledge can be easily extracted from a lot of =
sources, for e.g.
from  Internet,  cause you seem to be connected ;) =
but, it also should
be  mentioned  that  man pages coming with =
FreeBSD (I guess as well as
with other *NIX-likes OSes) also describe =
the algo.

so man traceroute says, that it uses udp ports starting =
with 33434 and
goes  up  with every new hop. but this could be easily =
changed with -p
option.  Besides,  windows'  tracert  works  using  =
icmp proto, so the
decision isn't here. It lies in what does the box =
do when answering to
them.  It  does send 'time exceeded in-transit' =
icmp message cause TTL
value  is  set  too  low  to let the packet =
jump forward. So it is the
answer  --  you should disallow it with =
your ipfw. for e.g. using such
syntax:

deny icmp from any to =
any icmptype 11

(yeah,  you  shou!
 ld  carefully  think  about whether or not to use ANY
cause  if  =
you're  box  is  a  gateway  other  people will notice =
your
cutting-edge knowledge cause it will hide not only your host =
;)

This  is not the end, alas. unix traceroute will wait for port =
unreach
icmp  so  after  meeting,  it stops and displays the =
end-point of your
trace.  Windows'  tracert will wait for normal =
icmp-echo-reply for the
same  purpose.  So if you also wish to hide =
the end point, you need to
disallow  this also. I bet you can figure =
out the way how by yourself,
now.

P.S.  there  are  also other =
ways (even more elegant) of doing that in
practice...  they  called =
'stealth routing' and can be implemented via
FreeBSD  kernel  =
mechanism  (sysctl + built-in kernel support) or with
ipf =
(ipfilter)

read the man pages, man, they are freely =
available...


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