From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Jul 8 2:22:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443F837B401; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 02:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@dmlb.org) Received: from dmlb.org ([62.253.135.228]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20010708092222.GHQP283.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@dmlb.org>; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:22:22 +0100 Received: from dmlb by dmlb.org with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 15JAli-0000Et-00; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:22:22 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200107080015.f680FgJ73988@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:22:21 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: Nokia C110 WLAN Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd_mail@yahoo.com, Tomi.Vainio@Sun.COM, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 08-Jul-01 Warner Losh wrote: > In message <200107080023.f680NJN00575@mass.dis.org> Mike Smith writes: >: The issue here is the MAC; from reading the above, I gather Nokia have >: their own MAC/firmware interface, which is not the standard PRISM one. > > Why do people have to do such stupid things as have been done with the > various 802.11b cards.... Because they see a market opportunity? Nokia bought a company in Cambridge, UK a while ago that has been developing an 802.11 MAC and firmware since the early 1990's. At that time (and to be honest, even now) there are only one or two 802.11b RF solutions available with the lion's share of the market going to Intersil and Philips (as used in the newer Orinico cards). This is why people like TI and Atmel have developed their own MACs that can work with Prism II radios. Think of how many vendors of Ethernet MACs there are. NE2000 clone or a DEC Tuplip clone? > Warner Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@dmlb.org | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. dmlb@freebsd.org| Steven King To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Jul 8 10:37:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu (rigel.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBAB37B403 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrb@cs.pdx.edu) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (root@sirius.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.57]) by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27922; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (jrb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sirius.cs.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16590; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107081737.KAA16590@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wicontrol -p args and braindump In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:56:04 MDT." <200107080456.f684u4J76022@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:37:29 -0700 From: Jim Binkley Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1. demise of demo ad hoc mode is not the case... Lucent calls -p 3 "demo ad hoc". If he is, that is not correct. I think what Nick meant was that there is no support for "demo" (-p 3) ad hoc in the Lucent windows drivers. I think that is correct. Lucent figures that windows users only do "normal" things :->. Since demo ad hoc is not 802.11 ... ("demo" is a nice way to say oops), not available in windows. I played with Lucent orinoco yesterday using IBSS to talk to a bsd desktop and didn't see it. However they have not removed support for demo ad hoc in their firmware as far as I know. In fact, I explicitly asked them, and was told that they had no intentions to do so because the ad hoc routing research community doesn't want them to. The linux man page confirms that assertion ... more to the point ... it is still there; e.g., wi0: at port 0x240-0x27f irq 10 slot 0 on pccard0 wi0: Ethernet address: 00:02:2d:29:24:c7 wi0: (hw type=1, firmware=0x06:10) (my hack) with a card that says Orinoco on it, and firmware version 6.10. I can get -p 3 to work. The linux wvlan_cs (now orinoco_cs in 2.4) guys at one point thought it was gone too ... and they were wrong. 2. IBSS mode ... is -p 1, -c 1, -n essid, -f 10. I asked Lucent about -p 0, and they said no such beast. Lucent calls IBSS "peer to peer" under windows. There is one gotcha, (maybe two ...) with IBSS/windows/lucent ... Old firmware had the default ad hoc channel set to 3. New firmware has it set to 10. I have no idea how you would change the channel under windows (I was using W2K), and Nick couldn't find anything either. Maybe some registry setting, he suggested? If anybody knows, please speak up. I got "peer to peer" working speaking to a freebsd box like so: freebsd/desktop wicontrol -i wi0 -p 1 wicontrol -i wi0 -c 1 wicontrol -i wi0 -n mypeergroup wicontrol -i wi0 -f 10 windows/laptop peer to peer setup firmware channel was 10 name set to mypeergroup DHCP ... worked ... so did ping. Lucent modes of operation are documented in a README that comes with their linux/install package. They also have a man page for wavelan2_cs. You have to speak linux /etc/pcmcia though. I have seen some flaky behavior with IBSS mode. It may be that you should run it at channel 10 period, assuming your firmware has been updated. For some reason, I couldn't get signal strength info with it for a bit, but it seems to be working now in IBSS. missouri# wicontrol -i wi0 -C [1/1]: 00:60:1d:f0:52:03, 192.168.1.1, sig: -41, noise: -96, qual: 55 3. bug in wicontrol ... I told Andre about this. # wicontrol -i wi0 -o doesn't seem to work anymore (used to). struct wi_counters in /sys/i386/isa/if_wireg.h (e.g. in or 4.3), needs two more counters at the end of the structure. u_int32_t wi_rx_msg_in_bad_msg_frags; add the next two ... u_int32_t wi_rx_discards_wep_icv_error; u_int32_t wi_rx_discards_wep_excluded; It seems to take awhile to update anyway in any cases, but at least my current version now works (am running with IBSS): souri# wicontrol -i wi0 -o Transmitted unicast frames: 6097 Transmitted multicast frames: 187 Transmitted fragments: 20942 Transmitted unicast octets: 547547 Transmitted multicast octets: 29172 Single transmit retries: 0 Multiple transmit retries: 0 Transmit retry limit exceeded: 0 Transmit discards: 0 Transmit discards due to wrong SA: 0 Received unicast frames: 4148 Received multicast frames: 743 Received fragments: 11735 Received unicast octets: 432200 Received multicast octets: 118880 Receive FCS errors: 1 Receive discards due to no buffer: 0 Can't decrypt WEP frame: 0 Received message fragments: 0 Received message bad fragments: 0 regards, Jim Binkley jrb@cs.pdx.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Jul 8 12:35:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2F037B403 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f68JZ6g14309; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f68JZ6J80727; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107081935.f68JZ6J80727@harmony.village.org> To: Jim Binkley Subject: Re: wicontrol -p args and braindump Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:37:29 PDT." <200107081737.KAA16590@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> References: <200107081737.KAA16590@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:35:06 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200107081737.KAA16590@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> Jim Binkley writes: : 1. demise of demo ad hoc mode is not the case... I stad corrected. I was confused. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sun Jul 8 12:43:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D18537B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f68JhNg14347; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f68JhMJ80836; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107081943.f68JhMJ80836@harmony.village.org> To: Jim Binkley Subject: Re: wicontrol -p args and braindump Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:37:29 PDT." <200107081737.KAA16590@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> References: <200107081737.KAA16590@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:43:22 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200107081737.KAA16590@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> Jim Binkley writes: : Lucent modes of operation are documented in a README that : comes with their linux/install package. They also have : a man page for wavelan2_cs. You have to speak linux /etc/pcmcia though. Maybe someone knowledgeable about this stuff, and windows/linux drivers, could update wi(4) or wicontrol(8) with this good information. : missouri# wicontrol -i wi0 -C : [1/1]: 00:60:1d:f0:52:03, 192.168.1.1, sig: -41, noise: -96, qual: 55 Btw, what's a good quality? I usually get on the remote node: [1/1]: 00:02:2d:01:99:b3, 10.0.0.6, sig: -89, noise: -149, qual: 60 or the following on my laptop "access point": [1/2]: 00:40:36:01:68:20, 10.0.3.2, sig: -65, noise: -95, qual: 30 [2/2]: 00:05:5d:f0:fd:a9, 10.0.3.3, sig: -72, noise: -94, qual: 22 Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 8:23: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu (rigel.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB16C37B403 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:23:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrb@cs.pdx.edu) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (root@sirius.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.57]) by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20075 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (jrb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sirius.cs.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26571 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107091522.IAA26571@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: 802.11 control packets? Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:22:58 -0700 From: Jim Binkley Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any with with any 802.11 nic/driver to see 802.11 control packets (beacons and the like ..., RTS/CTS if you are doing that ...) in promiscuous mode. Maybe airolan does this? regards, Jim Binkley jrb@cs.pdx.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 8:43:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7213637B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f69FhAU33488; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200107091543.f69FhAU33488@bunrab.catwhisker.org> To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, jrb@cs.pdx.edu Subject: Re: 802.11 control packets? In-Reply-To: <200107091522.IAA26571@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:22:58 -0700 >From: Jim Binkley >Is there any with with any 802.11 nic/driver to >see 802.11 control packets (beacons and the like ..., >RTS/CTS if you are doing that ...) in promiscuous mode. Yes. I've been using different versions of some patches by Doug Ambrisko to do this for the Cisco/Aironet 340 cards for a while now. See http://www.ambrisko.com/doug/an; read the notes. >Maybe airolan does this? Not sure what is meant by this. (If I recall correctly, the Lucent/Orinoco/Agere/...(whatever) cards have had this support longer, and that is what Pete Shipley has been using in his efforts. You may find the mailing list archives at www.bawug.org to be of some interest.) Cheers, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 13: 7:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9423337B405 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:07:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f69K7Yg18631 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f69K7XJ21410 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Wireless base stations Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:07:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looking at the prices of wireless base stations, I find that there are several niexpensive ones available at cdw. Can people comment on them? SMC EZ Connect 11 Mbps Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b Wireless access point $220 Linksys Instant Wireless Network Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b Wireless Network Access Point $220 D-Link DI-714 Wireless Gateway Wireless Gateway with a Built-In Four Port Switch with 128-bit WEP Encryption $220 D-Link DI-713P Wireless Gateway Wireless Gateway with a Built-In Three Port Switched Print Server with 128-bit WEP Encryption $235 D-Link DWL-1000AP Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11B Wireless LAN Access Point with 40-bit encryption $180 Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 13:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D191837B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 15JhfM-0002FX-00 for mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:30:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:30:00 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Message-ID: <20010709163000.H2874@pir.net> Reply-To: mobile@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: mobile@freebsd.org References: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:07:33PM -0600 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh probably said: > SMC EZ Connect 11 Mbps Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b > Wireless access point $220 This is probably the one I picked up - single antennae. 128bit WEP, decent range (seems similar range to a lucent range extender). Needs it's firmware and web images upgrading to interoprate with WEP. Bridge only - no filtering by MAC, no NAT, no DHCP, etc. Configurable only by HTTP. Seems to work pretty well. Cheap. External antennae connection and supplied with a reasonable antennae. The one I have is; http://www.smc.com/smc/common/prodPreview.cfm?prod_code=SMC2652W and can be found for $200 right now. > Linksys Instant Wireless Network Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b > Wireless Network Access Point $220 > D-Link DI-714 Wireless Gateway Wireless Gateway with a > Built-In Four Port Switch with 128-bit WEP Encryption $220 > D-Link DI-713P Wireless Gateway Wireless Gateway with a > Built-In Three Port Switched Print Server with 128-bit > WEP Encryption $235 > D-Link DWL-1000AP Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11B > Wireless LAN Access Point with 40-bit encryption $180 Another one to consider is the Buffalo Tech models. The "router" model is basicly an airport (same guts, IIRC) minus the phone jack and is only $189.00. Unsure about 128bit WEP. http://www.techworks.com/products/airstation-catv-dsl.html P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 14: 0:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.linuxcare.com (mail.linuxcare.com [216.88.157.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAFA37B40C for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@linuxcare.com) Received: from linuxcare.com (dhcp-10.1.0.139.i.linuxcare.com [10.1.0.139]) by mail.linuxcare.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A274461; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B4A1C08.F42C1525@linuxcare.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:03:04 -0700 From: Bill Schoolcraft Organization: "Linux, A Way of Life." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations References: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > > Looking at the prices of wireless base stations, I find that there are > several niexpensive ones available at cdw. Can people comment on > them? The following works just fine with both FreeBSD and Linux. > D-Link DWL-1000AP Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11B > Wireless LAN Access Point with 40-bit encryption -- Bill Schoolcraft Linux/Unix System Engineer 650 Townsend Street San Francisco, CA 94103 SF (415) 354-4878 http://www.linuxcare.com "Linux/Unix, A Way Of Life." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 14: 4:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE4637B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 15JiCb-0002XH-00 for mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:04:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:04:20 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Message-ID: <20010709170419.I2874@pir.net> Reply-To: mobile@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: mobile@freebsd.org References: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> <20010709163000.H2874@pir.net> <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sent-via: mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:07:33PM -0600 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh probably said: > Looking at the prices of wireless base stations, I find that there are > several niexpensive ones available at cdw. Can people comment on > them? Peter Radcliffe probably said: > Warner Losh probably said: > > SMC EZ Connect 11 Mbps Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b > > Wireless access point $220 > > This is probably the one I picked up - single antennae. Not the same one, looking at cdw. The one you're looking at is the 64 user home version. Two non-removable antennae. I picked up the one I was talking about (128 users, single removable antennae, SMC2652W) from Microcenter for $199. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 14:14:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from isris.pair.com (isris.pair.com [209.68.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C783F37B409 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:14:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rooneg@isris.pair.com) Received: (qmail 91084 invoked by uid 3130); 9 Jul 2001 21:14:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:14:38 -0400 From: Garrett Rooney To: Warner Losh Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Message-ID: <20010709171438.A88928@electricjellyfish.net> References: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:07:33PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 02:07:33PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > Looking at the prices of wireless base stations, I find that there are > several niexpensive ones available at cdw. Can people comment on > them? > > Linksys Instant Wireless Network Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b > Wireless Network Access Point $220 I'm not sure about their access point, but the Linksys NAT box with wireless requires a hack to the wi driver to make it work. (they're violating the spec. it's a one line hack to work around it though.) Details are in the archives of -mobile. I don't know if this applies to their stand alone access point or not. -- garrett rooney Unix was not designed to stop you from rooneg@electricjellyfish.net doing stupid things, because that would http://electricjellyfish.net/ stop you from doing clever things. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 14:25:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from subtil.dhis.dee.uc.pt (coi1-pppS46.nortenet.pt [212.13.36.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0623837B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsubtil@subtil.dhis.dee.uc.pt) Received: (from nsubtil@localhost) by subtil.dhis.dee.uc.pt (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f69LPJV50205 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:25:19 +0100 (WEST) (envelope-from nsubtil) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:25:18 +0100 From: Nuno Subtil To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Toshiba Satellite Pro 4290 and VESA_800x600 console Message-ID: <20010709222518.A50189@subtil.dhis.dee.uc.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a Satellite Pro 4290 from Toshiba, running 5-CURRENT (updated yesterday). It shows strange behaviour when switching the console to VESA_800x600 mode: sometimes it panics with a black screen, sometimes it hangs with a black screen (plus a constant beep ocasionally), sometimes it just works. What's really amazing is that if I manage, for example, to set the first vty to VESA_800x600, while leaving the second in 80x25 text mode, I can switch between them with impunity --- the machine has never crashed that way, while it crashes 9 times out of 10 when switching to VESA_800x600 mode. I have captured a crash dump from one of the panics: IdlePTD 4341760 initial pcb at 36dde0 panicstr: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in vm86 mode fault virtual address = 0xc51e4 fault code = user read, page not present instruction pointer = 0xc000:0x51e4 stack pointer = 0x0:0xf98 frame pointer = 0x0:0xfce code segment = base 0x4c031, limit 0x1818, type 0x0 = DPL 0, pres 0, def32 0, gran 0 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, vm86, IOPL = 0 current process = 38 (vidcontrol) trap number = 12 panic: page fault syncing disks... done Uptime: 4m5s dumping to dev ad0s3b, offset 131328 dump ata0: resetting devices .. done 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 --- #0 dumpsys () at ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:478 478 if (dumping++) { (kgdb) bt #0 dumpsys () at ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:478 #1 0xc01d1e67 in boot (howto=256) at ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:321 #2 0xc01d2268 in poweroff_wait (junk=0xc030b9cf, howto=-981498560) at ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:600 #3 0xc02c3e08 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc0427fa8, eva=807396) at ../../../i386/i386/trap.c:932 #4 0xc02c3b79 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc0427fa8, usermode=0, eva=807396) at ../../../i386/i386/trap.c:846 #5 0xc02c3583 in trap (frame={tf_fs = 0, tf_es = 0, tf_ds = 0, tf_edi = 22522, tf_esi = 4212, tf_ebp = 4046, tf_isp = -1069383724, tf_ebx = 21, tf_edx = 128, tf_ecx = 21507, tf_eax = 0, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 4, tf_eip = 20964, tf_cs = 49152, tf_eflags = 721478, tf_esp = 3992, tf_ss = 0}) at ../../../i386/i386/trap.c:405 #6 0x51e4 in ?? () Cannot access memory at address 0xfce. The graphics chip is an S3 Savage IX/MV. The following appears on dmesg after a verbose boot: VESA: information block 56 45 53 41 00 02 a7 88 00 c0 00 00 00 00 22 00 00 01 80 00 00 01 5d 81 00 c0 6e 81 00 c0 76 81 00 c0 00 01 01 01 02 01 03 01 04 01 05 01 06 01 07 01 0e 01 0f 01 11 01 12 01 14 01 15 01 17 01 VESA: 48 mode(s) found VESA: v2.0, 8192k memory, flags:0x0, mode table:0xc0384c42 (1000022) VESA: S3 Incorporated. M7 BIOS VESA: S3 Incorporated. VBE 2.0 Rev 1.1 Using $PIR table, 9 entries at 0xc00f0190 Any help would be greatly appreciated. This machine has a DSTN screen, so VESA_800x600 is especially useful for me, since 80x25 text mode only uses about half the screen. Nuno Subtil nsubtil@subtil.dhis.dee.uc.pt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 14:58:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mighty.grot.org (mighty.grot.org [216.15.97.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B9637B406 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aditya@grot.org) Received: by mighty.grot.org (Postfix, from userid 515) id 412485DA9; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:58:28 -0700 From: "R.P. Aditya" To: imp@harmony.village.org Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Message-ID: <20010709145828.A33741@mighty.grot.org> Reply-To: "R.P. Aditya" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://www.grot.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x6405D8D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Needless to say, it all depends on what features you want. I use my AP as a dumb bridge (I could have easily used a wi card with Julian Elischer's AP code but had to put the AP in place I didn't want a larger FreeBSD box) without an out-of-the-box external antenna option. I prefer to entrust security to the application level than use WEP, and use FreeBSD or a Cisco for routing/NAT functions. To that end, I bought the cheapest unit I could find, which was: > D-Link DWL-1000AP Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11B > Wireless LAN Access Point with 40-bit encryption $180 It works very well for what it is. I've found that the Dlink card (650) has an underpowered antenna and that the above AP with an Orinoco/Wavelan card has much better range (though I have to manually set wicontrol -s 8 often, same as with the Avaya AP-500/1000). Some config details: It asks for an address for itself via DHCP by default, which is what I prefer anyway. All config is via SNMP (yuck, but it's cheap). Here are what I consider to be the essential settings that one might want to change (I got these by sniffing the SNMP back and forth the Windows manager uses): #ro string snmpset 10.10.10.54 private .1.3.6.1.4.1.937.2.1.2.1.0 s public #rw string snmpset 10.10.10.54 private .1.3.6.1.4.1.937.2.1.2.2.0 s private #SSID snmpset 10.10.10.54 private .1.2.840.10036.1.1.1.9.1 s "default" #channel snmpset 10.10.10.54 private .1.2.840.10036.4.5.1.1.1 i 6 These are in commands the UCD-SNMP snmpset command can use. I've tried a few different of the more expensive APs (inc. AP-1000, Intel 2011) and unless there is a compelling need for an external antenna or the ability to upgrade to 802.11a via a single card, the DWL-1000AP seems as good (in the radio 2.4Ghz sense). Adi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 15:35:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from msgbas1.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.6.9.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C295337B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:35:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from msgrel1.cos.agilent.com (msgrel1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.77]) by msgbas1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474A8523; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:35:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by msgrel1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F6FCE; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:35:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3 SMKit7.1.1_Agilent) with ESMTP id PAA05700; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107092235.PAA05700@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: Warner Losh Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:07:33 MDT." <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.6) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:35:52 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > Linksys Instant Wireless Network Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b > Wireless Network Access Point $220 Unless a patch has been committed (quite possible, as I haven't been following commits), there is this possible issue with Linksys access points: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=164039+167666+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-mobile/20010520.freebsd-mobile -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 16:30:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (chfdns01.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B2F37B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.40 2001/06/06 21:14:49 root Exp $) with ESMTP id UAA00450; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:46:01 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id NAA18265; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:45:40 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id QAA02079; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:45:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15174.9077.670203.615249@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 13:45:41 -0700 To: Nick Sayer Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Orinoco USB ? In-Reply-To: <3B45F26A.4030607@quack.kfu.com> References: <3B45F26A.4030607@quack.kfu.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Friday, July 6, Nick Sayer wrote: ] > Is anyone working on a driver for the (new?) Lucent Orinoco USB module > or any other 802.11b USB dongles? It would be an excellent solution to > the problem of turning a desktop machine into an 802.11 router. > Hadn't even heard of the new hardware, but that sounds awesome! If there is somebody who *could* work on this driver, but just needs hardware, let's start a pool going to provide said coder with said hardware. I'll pony up $20! Is Lucent tight-lipped regarding the specs (like usual)? -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 16:32:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846CD37B403 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:32:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f69NWdE26839 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:32:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:32:39 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ifconfig wireless card options and DHCP Message-ID: <20010709163239.A9832@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20010707151139.A27611@pir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010707151139.A27611@pir.net>; from pir@pir.net on Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 03:11:39PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 03:11:39PM -0400, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > Seems like this would be easy currently for non-DHCP configured > interfaces, but as soon as you specify DHCP in $ifconfig_${interface} > you lose the ability to pass further arguments. In my opinion setting > up some media options before DHCP is called could be generally useful > with cards that need something to be forced before they will pass > packets at all (such as 802.11b with WEP enabled). >=20 > Looking at /etc/pccard_ether is looks like this patch would allow > you to do things like: >=20 > ifconfig_an0=3D"DHCP wepmode on wepkey ThisIsAKey" >=20 > I also added in a check for pccard_ether.local, since there are things > I do at every interface up/down and I'd rather not keep maintaining > changes between my pccard_ether script and the standard ones. >=20 > What do people think ? On this patch in particular, patches that create differences between the startup sequence via rc.network and /etc/pccard_ether should be avoided. On the approach, I've been thinking about creating a method for adding external commands to ifconfig so you could add DHCP support via a script. I'm still thinking about how this would be done, but I think it's a better approach then continuing the hacks in /etc/rc.network and /etc/pccard_ether. Thoughts? -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Sj8WXY6L6fI4GtQRAoblAKDohijbdGIBVdJvHyZiU1R36KglLQCgyit5 CAbANmcumklwliYYGaOzP1k= =buV/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 19:20:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from carp.aciri.org (carp.aciri.org [192.150.187.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA9137B405 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bkarp@carp.aciri.org) Received: from carp.aciri.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carp.aciri.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6A2KeL08078 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bkarp@carp.aciri.org) Message-Id: <200107100220.f6A2KeL08078@carp.aciri.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 From: Brad Karp To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Novatel Merlin for Ricochet under FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:20:40 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just obtained a Novatel Merlin Ricochet PC-Card modem for use with FreeBSD. I hereby preempt any jokes about the Chapter 11 filing of Metricom. :-) The card is meant to behave like an sio-style modem. I've set up a pccard.conf entry for it so that it is attached as an sio card. The card attaches fine, probing as sio1 upon insertion. It's assigned irq 11 (which works fine for me with my WaveLAN PC-Card and Linksys ed PC-Card). If I "cu -s 115200 -l /dev/cuaa1", I can type AT commands to the card successfully, but with one fatal problem: each character I type is echoed only after I type the *next* character. I realized immediately that this is the classic sign of "no receive interrupts being generated"; the sio driver checks for incoming characters in the output routine, such that characters are only read from the device on each output event. I hacked a counter of the number of times siointr() was invoked into /sys/isa/sio.c, and sure enough, there are *zero* invocations of siointr. I've searched the -mobile archives, and have found no detailed information about how to make the Merlin *for Ricochet* work (there was a posting about an old CDPD card, but that's not my hardware, and this is a different problem). There were a few people who posted that they wanted the Merlin to work, and one or two who seemed to suggest they may have had it working. Has anyone had success with the Novatel Merlin for Ricochet under 4.3-RELEASE (or any other release)? Were any driver changes to sio, or otherwise, required? If no one can report success, then I need to figure out why the card is generating no interrupts. I'm guessing there could be two types of cause: either the PC-Card subsystem isn't configuring the card successfully to use the IRQ (though the console output of the PC-Card code shows it being assigned IRQ 11 with no apparent errors), or the Merlin isn't enough like a 16550A (that's how sio detects it) to generate interrupts the way sio configures it. I saw a posting by a Linux user that the Merlin for Ricochet has an unusually large receive FIFO. I have tweaked my sio.c to use a larger interrupt input buffer than the default (calculated in siosetwater()). (Actually, before I did this, I was getting console messages indicating interrupt-level buffer overflow, and they stopped after this hack, so some fix along these lines appears necessary, but insufficient.) I also tried disabling the receive FIFO (by writing 0 to the com_fifo register), and not setting FIFO_RX_HIGH as the receive threshold, by writing only FIFO_ENABLE to the com_fifo register), but still no receive interrupts in either case. I even tried assigning the card IRQs 4, 3, and 7 (all available on my Sony SR7K laptop, which has no serial ports nor parallel port). No interrupts on any of those IRQs. But as I said before, IRQ 11 works for me with all my other cards. Oddly, if I try to "pccardc dumpcis" with the card inserted, I get a lot of garbage (meaningless tables that are obviously nonsense), and if I do this several times, pccardc begins to dump core. Perhaps the Merlin for Ricochet has garbage in its CIS region? All suggestions most appreciated. -Brad, bkarp@icsi.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 21:11:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E28D37B403 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from medusa.kfu.com (medusa.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:0:290:27ff:fed1:576b]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6A4BBa84616 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) From: Nick Sayer Received: from kfu.com (localhost.kfu.com [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated) by medusa.kfu.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6A4BAv76235; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@kfu.com) Received: from 206.112.124.107 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nsayer) by medusa.kfu.com with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1498.206.112.124.107.994738270.squirrel@medusa.kfu.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Novatel Merlin for Ricochet under FreeBSD To: In-Reply-To: <200107100220.f6A2KeL08078@carp.aciri.org> References: <200107100220.f6A2KeL08078@carp.aciri.org> Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.1.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (medusa.kfu.com) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Run, don't walk, to the net/merlinmon port. It will be of some assistance. Once you get the connection going. > I've just obtained a Novatel Merlin Ricochet PC-Card modem for use with > FreeBSD. I hereby preempt any jokes about the Chapter 11 filing of > Metricom. :-) > > The card is meant to behave like an sio-style modem. Yes [...] > Has anyone had success with the Novatel Merlin for Ricochet under > 4.3-RELEASE (or any other release)? Were any driver changes to sio, or > otherwise, required? Nope. It works pretty normally. I talked to it at 19200 rather than 115200. I don't know what difference that might make. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 21:16:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA7137B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from medusa.kfu.com (medusa.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:0:290:27ff:fed1:576b]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6A4GGa84634 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) From: Nick Sayer Received: from kfu.com (localhost.kfu.com [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated) by medusa.kfu.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6A4GFv76248; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:16:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@kfu.com) Received: from 206.112.124.107 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nsayer) by medusa.kfu.com with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1504.206.112.124.107.994738575.squirrel@medusa.kfu.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Orinoco USB ? To: In-Reply-To: <15174.9077.670203.615249@hip186.ch.intel.com> References: <15174.9077.670203.615249@hip186.ch.intel.com> Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.1.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (medusa.kfu.com) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > [ On Friday, July 6, Nick Sayer wrote: ] >> Is anyone working on a driver for the (new?) Lucent Orinoco USB module >> or any other 802.11b USB dongles? It would be an excellent solution >> to the problem of turning a desktop machine into an 802.11 router. >> > > Hadn't even heard of the new hardware, but that sounds awesome! If > there is somebody who *could* work on this driver, but just needs > hardware, let's start a pool going to provide said coder with said > hardware. I'll pony up $20! > > Is Lucent tight-lipped regarding the specs (like usual)? For what it's worth, I saw a review where someone took it apart. It is a little widget that uses a popular USB interface microcontroller gizmo (the anchor chip?) that goes to a PC-Card socket, which has a Silver card plugged into it. So it would probably only require a sort of attachment shim on the front of the existing wi driver. > > -Jr > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-= > | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) > | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: > 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com > http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- =-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Jul 9 23:36:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0290237B403 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unjoo@home.com) Received: from k ([24.71.109.83]) by mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010710063651.QVSL15702.mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com@k> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:36:51 -0700 From: "KKH" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 00:37:20 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-mobile unjoo@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 2:47:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from athene.akon-ag.de (athene.akon-ag.de [213.61.128.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914F837B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nexus@fileseeker.net) Received: from warpgondel ([192.168.4.138]) by athene.akon-ag.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id LAA10688; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:47:44 +0200 Message-ID: <006201c10924$ef44a310$8a04a8c0@warpgondel> From: "Oliver Fischer" To: , "Warner Losh" References: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:44:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, the guys at my old company use the Apple AirPort BaseStation for this purpose. Bye Oliver -- Oliver Fischer - mailto:plexus@snafu.de http://www.xshare.com/~plexus/ or finger plexus@xshare.com for more information ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warner Losh" To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Wireless base stations > > Looking at the prices of wireless base stations, I find that there are > several niexpensive ones available at cdw. Can people comment on > them? > > SMC EZ Connect 11 Mbps Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b > Wireless access point $220 > Linksys Instant Wireless Network Access Point 11Mbps 802.11b > Wireless Network Access Point $220 > D-Link DI-714 Wireless Gateway Wireless Gateway with a > Built-In Four Port Switch with 128-bit WEP Encryption $220 > D-Link DI-713P Wireless Gateway Wireless Gateway with a > Built-In Three Port Switched Print Server with 128-bit > WEP Encryption $235 > D-Link DWL-1000AP Wireless Access Point 11Mbps 802.11B > Wireless LAN Access Point with 40-bit encryption $180 > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 5:19:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from fnord.ir.bbn.com (FNORD.IR.BBN.COM [192.1.100.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D87C937B406 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdt@fnord.ir.bbn.com) Received: (qmail 97754 invoked by uid 10853); 10 Jul 2001 12:19:10 -0000 To: Brooks Davis Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ifconfig wireless card options and DHCP References: <20010707151139.A27611@pir.net> <20010709163239.A9832@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> From: Greg Troxel Date: 10 Jul 2001 08:19:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: Brooks Davis's message of "Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:32:39 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I currently have a home-grown /etc/pcccard_updown that gets called with '(insert|remove) wi0' and does lots of stuff; I have other scripts to set a control file for a 'location' which changes lots of the behavior. But there is one problem this doesn't solve, which I think will require changes to dhclient-script: I want to be able to configure the laptop to 'just do DHCP', and go to various places which have different WEP keys, may or may not have WEP, and may be IBSS rather than infrastructure mode. So, I'd like dhclient to cycle through these various 'media settings', just like in the old days how it would change between 10base2 and 10baseT. Part of the reason I'm not wild about pccard_ether and rc.conf is that I have about 10 different profiles of addresses etc. depending on where I am. With dhclient support for various WEP states and a dhcpd at each place, though, I could skip most of that. Greg Troxel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 5:30:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from fnord.ir.bbn.com (FNORD.IR.BBN.COM [192.1.100.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B00937B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdt@fnord.ir.bbn.com) Received: (qmail 98409 invoked by uid 10853); 10 Jul 2001 12:30:25 -0000 To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations References: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> From: Greg Troxel Date: 10 Jul 2001 08:30:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: Warner Losh's message of "Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:07:33 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can people comment if these cheap APs are running in true 'infrastructure mode' and can support multiple APs on an ethernet with roaming across APs similar to the Lucent AP500? Specifically, if I bought 14 of the cheapest Linksys bridges and put 2 to a floor on my 7-story building all on an Ethernet run around to all 14 of them, and set them to different channels, would I then be able to wander around floor to floor and stay on the net with the same IP address? One person commented 'no filtering by MAC'. Does this mean that every packet on the wired Ethernet will end up over the air, even if it is unicast and the corresponding address is not associated with the AP? Does this differ between the cheap APs and the Lucent products (AP-500/1000, ignoring the RG)? I realize I'm asking different questions; I'm considering what it takes to set up my building at work rather than a single AP for home (I have a Lucent card in a pcmcia bridge in 'create IBSS' mode there). Greg Troxel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 6:34:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21AB37B406 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from medusa.kfu.com (medusa.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:0:290:27ff:fed1:576b]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6ADY3a88476 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:34:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) From: Nick Sayer Received: from kfu.com (localhost.kfu.com [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated) by medusa.kfu.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6ADY2v77758; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@kfu.com) Received: from 206.112.124.107 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nsayer) by medusa.kfu.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1799.206.112.124.107.994772043.squirrel@medusa.kfu.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Wireless base stations To: In-Reply-To: <006201c10924$ef44a310$8a04a8c0@warpgondel> References: <006201c10924$ef44a310$8a04a8c0@warpgondel> Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.1.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Filter-Version: 1.3 (medusa.kfu.com) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The AirPort should really have been on the original list of options. So far as I am aware, however, it is an expensive choice -- they still sell at Fry's for $299, last I checked. Also, configuring them is only supported with MacOS tools (note that as usual, "supported" != "possible" -- see the net/airport port). > Hi, > > the guys at my old company use the Apple AirPort BaseStation for this > purpose. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 6:44:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from avalon.whirlygig.co.uk (avalon.whirlygig.co.uk [195.152.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B8237B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:44:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prt@prt.org) Received: from prt (helo=localhost) by avalon.whirlygig.co.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 15JxoR-000AOz-00; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:44:27 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:44:26 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Thornton X-Sender: prt@avalon.whirlygig.co.uk To: Nick Sayer Cc: nexus@fileseeker.net, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations In-Reply-To: <1799.206.112.124.107.994772043.squirrel@medusa.kfu.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Nick Sayer wrote: > The AirPort should really have been on the original list of options. So far > as I am aware, however, it is an expensive choice -- they still sell at > Fry's for $299, last I checked. Also, configuring them is only supported > with MacOS tools (note that as usual, "supported" != "possible" -- see the > net/airport port). There are various free config tools available. I used the generic linux Orinoco one on a FBSD-4.2 system a week or so back to configure the AirPort and it has worked fine ever since - its similar enough to the Lucent APs for this to work. The cli config app is available at: http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m52&envelope=90&page=2763 -- Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 6:59:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (mb-20-100.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C9337B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:59:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6ADvrD02598; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6ADvqX01806; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 6999048; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:57:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3B4B09DF.23F87787@mitre.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:57:51 -0400 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Thornton Cc: Nick Sayer , nexus@fileseeker.net, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Thornton wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Nick Sayer wrote: > > > The AirPort should really have been on the original list of options. So far > > as I am aware, however, it is an expensive choice -- they still sell at > > Fry's for $299, last I checked. Also, configuring them is only supported > > with MacOS tools (note that as usual, "supported" != "possible" -- see the > > net/airport port). > > There are various free config tools available. I used the generic linux > Orinoco one on a FBSD-4.2 system a week or so back to configure the AirPort > and it has worked fine ever since - its similar enough to the Lucent APs for > this to work. > > The cli config app is available at: > http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m52&envelope=90&page=2763 Although it isn't supported either, Windows users can use a client called Freebase. http://freebase.sourceforge.net/ Really, if you don't need a 56k modem, a DHCP server, or NAT on the basestation you don't really need an Airport. There are several other (cheaper!) alternatives mentioned earlier in this article. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 7:41:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733DC37B40C for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oberman@ptavv.es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6AEfMA19031; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107101441.f6AEfMA19031@ptavv.es.net> To: Greg Troxel Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wireless base stations In-reply-to: Your message of "10 Jul 2001 08:30:25 EDT." Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:41:22 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg, Setting up a large facility for 802.11b can be a very complex task. It's not as simple as to "set them to different channels". First, channels overlap and you can use no more than three different channels of those available in the US in a network where there is to be hand-offs. Beyond that, the radiation pattern is omni-directional. That means that they MAY radiate up and down to adjacent floors. But, if there is enough metal in the floors (and there often is), there may not be. But you really need to check. Even on a single floor, beams and ducts can cast shadows that create dead zones. It can be frustrating. For hand-offs to work, you need all of the access points in a single collision domain. That may be difficult to do in a large building. This is not meant as a tutorial on large wireless network installation. It's more of a warning that you need to carefully read the documentation and then talk to someone knowledgeable in the area. (The documentation with low-end products is often weak.) R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > From: Greg Troxel > Date: 10 Jul 2001 08:30:25 -0400 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > > Can people comment if these cheap APs are running in true > 'infrastructure mode' and can support multiple APs on an ethernet with > roaming across APs similar to the Lucent AP500? > Specifically, if I bought 14 of the cheapest Linksys bridges and put 2 > to a floor on my 7-story building all on an Ethernet run around to all > 14 of them, and set them to different channels, would I then be able > to wander around floor to floor and stay on the net with the same IP > address? > > One person commented 'no filtering by MAC'. Does this mean that every > packet on the wired Ethernet will end up over the air, even if it is > unicast and the corresponding address is not associated with the AP? > Does this differ between the cheap APs and the Lucent products > (AP-500/1000, ignoring the RG)? > > I realize I'm asking different questions; I'm considering what it > takes to set up my building at work rather than a single AP for home > (I have a Lucent card in a pcmcia bridge in 'create IBSS' mode there). > > Greg Troxel > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 8:37:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ambrisko.com (adsl-64-174-51-42.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.174.51.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A98137B409 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko@ambrisko.com) Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by ambrisko.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6AFLdx81943; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <200107101521.f6AFLdx81943@ambrisko.com> Subject: Re: ifconfig wireless card options and DHCP In-Reply-To: "from Greg Troxel at Jul 10, 2001 08:19:09 am" To: Greg Troxel Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Troxel writes: | I currently have a home-grown /etc/pcccard_updown that gets called | with '(insert|remove) wi0' and does lots of stuff; I have other | scripts to set a control file for a 'location' which changes lots of | the behavior. But there is one problem this doesn't solve, which I | think will require changes to dhclient-script: | | I want to be able to configure the laptop to 'just do DHCP', and go | to various places which have different WEP keys, may or may not have | WEP, and may be IBSS rather than infrastructure mode. | | So, I'd like dhclient to cycle through these various 'media settings', | just like in the old days how it would change between 10base2 and | 10baseT. | | Part of the reason I'm not wild about pccard_ether and rc.conf is that | I have about 10 different profiles of addresses etc. depending on | where I am. With dhclient support for various WEP states and a dhcpd | at each place, though, I could skip most of that. I'd suggest creating: /etc/dhclient-enter-hooks /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks to do what you want. With -stable you should be able to do everything you need with ifconfig. Before I used /etc/{start,stop}_if.an0 partially since the various control programs where slightly different. Now the basic stuff has been unified. However, even with the dhclient scripts I need the /etc/stop_if.an0 to reconfigure my machine to operate the way I want with no network connections. Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 9:16:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hub.cydonia.net (hub.cydonia.net [208.187.236.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDEF37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spivey@hub.cydonia.net) Received: from localhost (spivey@localhost) by hub.cydonia.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6AGG8232765 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: laptop as dual homed router Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Goodday, I've setup a p233 laptop with two nics: 3com 3c589 - ep0 compaq neteligent - xe0 unfortunately, only ONE interface will work at a time. doesnt matter If i boot with none, either one, or both inserted, i will only get traffic on ONE interface. EITHER will work independantly just fine, either on the inside network or the outside. so basically, both cards work fine; its not a hardware issue. the drivers load fine for both too; not a kernel issue the right tcp/ip config is being used for both cards; not a network issue i just can only get _traffic_ on one at a time when both are inserted. with just one in, it'll work just fine, regardless of which card, and regardless of which network i wanna use it on (ie. private 10.x.x.x or the public network via cable modem service) i'm replacing an existing ppro pc thats doing my routing/nat for me just fine now, and have basically mirrored the kernel and configs for natd, pccardd, etc on the laptop... so i know its not a configuration issue since i've done this before more than once (: if both are in, one interface will work (which ever was loaded first) and i can see the network fine. but the other one won't send/recv any traffic, just acts like its dead. even tho, if its the outside interface, it still gets its DHCP fed to it, it just won't work... i'm wondering if its a laptop thing (pcmcia) since my pc router with fbsd is working fine.. maybe something with pccardd or something that inhibits two nics working at the same time?? thanks! nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 9:27:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sys708.peregrine.com (nat-319.peregrine.com [63.82.231.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697CB37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:27:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erich@ucsd.edu) Received: from ucsd.edu (erichb2b.peregrine.com [10.3.5.83]) by sys708.peregrine.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6AGTcM34000; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:29:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erich@ucsd.edu) Message-ID: <3B4B2CF5.50306@ucsd.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:27:33 -0700 From: unsafe at any speed User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2+) Gecko/20010709 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nathan Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: laptop as dual homed router References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org what messages do you get when you insert the second card? it sounds like you may have bogus IRQs or I/O addresses in your pccard.conf--the first one is good, but not the second. eric Nathan wrote: > Goodday, > > I've setup a p233 laptop with two nics: > 3com 3c589 - ep0 > compaq neteligent - xe0 > > unfortunately, only ONE interface will work at a time. doesnt matter If i > boot with none, either one, or both inserted, i will only get traffic on > ONE interface. EITHER will work independantly just fine, either on > the inside network or the outside. > > so basically, both cards work fine; its not a hardware issue. > the drivers load fine for both too; not a kernel issue > the right tcp/ip config is being used for both cards; not a network > issue > i just can only get _traffic_ on one at a time when both are inserted. > with just one in, it'll work just fine, regardless of which card, and > regardless of which network i wanna use it on (ie. private 10.x.x.x or > the public network via cable modem service) > > i'm replacing an existing ppro pc thats doing my routing/nat for me just > fine now, and have basically mirrored the kernel and configs for natd, > pccardd, etc on the laptop... so i know its not a configuration issue > since i've done this before more than once (: > > if both are in, one interface will work (which ever was loaded first) and > i can see the network fine. but the other one won't send/recv any > traffic, > just acts like its dead. even tho, if its the outside interface, it still > gets its DHCP fed to it, it just won't work... > > i'm wondering if its a laptop thing (pcmcia) since my pc router with fbsd > is working fine.. maybe something with pccardd or something that inhibits > two nics working at the same time?? > > thanks! > nathan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 9:44:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70C6A37B407 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd_mail@yahoo.com) Received: from adsl-63-195-114-87.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO greg) (63.195.114.87) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2001 16:44:47 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <200107100944470060.004AC654@smtp.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.02.00 (2) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:44:47 -0700 Reply-To: freebsd_mail@yahoo.com From: "Greg Smith" To: "Nathan" , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: laptop as dual homed router Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nathan, Let's see the output of ifconfig Also the output of ipfw -a list [or output from whatever packet filtering tool you are using] I've been using my laptop/FreeBSD combo as a gateway to DSL for almost a year now with no issues that the above output wouldn't resolve. Of course, others have pointed out that maybe you have an undetected hardware error as well, which dmesgs might point out. Greg -----Original Message----- >Goodday, > > I've setup a p233 laptop with two nics: > 3com 3c589 - ep0 > compaq neteligent - xe0 > > unfortunately, only ONE interface will work at a time. doesnt matter If i > boot with none, either one, or both inserted, i will only get traffic on > ONE interface. EITHER will work independantly just fine, either on > the inside network or the outside. > >so basically, both cards work fine; its not a hardware issue. >the drivers load fine for both too; not a kernel issue >the right tcp/ip config is being used for both cards; not a network >issue >i just can only get _traffic_ on one at a time when both are inserted. >with just one in, it'll work just fine, regardless of which card, and >regardless of which network i wanna use it on (ie. private 10.x.x.x or >the public network via cable modem service) > > i'm replacing an existing ppro pc thats doing my routing/nat for me just > fine now, and have basically mirrored the kernel and configs for natd, > pccardd, etc on the laptop... so i know its not a configuration issue >since i've done this before more than once (: > > if both are in, one interface will work (which ever was loaded first) and > i can see the network fine. but the other one won't send/recv any >traffic, > just acts like its dead. even tho, if its the outside interface, it still > gets its DHCP fed to it, it just won't work... > > i'm wondering if its a laptop thing (pcmcia) since my pc router with fbsd > is working fine.. maybe something with pccardd or something that inhibits >two nics working at the same time?? > >thanks! >nathan > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 11: 8:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E11637B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 15K1vs-0003Eo-00 for mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:08:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:08:24 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Message-ID: <20010710140824.A10817@pir.net> Reply-To: mobile@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: mobile@freebsd.org References: <200107092007.f69K7XJ21410@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from gdt@fnord.ir.bbn.com on Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 08:30:25AM -0400 X-fish: < Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Troxel probably said: > Can people comment if these cheap APs are running in true > 'infrastructure mode' and can support multiple APs on an ethernet with > roaming across APs similar to the Lucent AP500? Yes, you can, if they are set up correctly. I have two cheap base stations in my house and can roam between them - the key is to set the SSID to be identical, the wired side be in the same collision domain, their signal areas overlapping and use channels that do not overlap in frequency range. One gotcha - the RG-1000 will notlet you change the first 5 or 6 characters of the SSID, so you can't use multiple RG-1000s for roaming. You can use airports, however, and many other cheap gateways. > Specifically, if I bought 14 of the cheapest Linksys bridges and put 2 > to a floor on my 7-story building all on an Ethernet run around to all > 14 of them, and set them to different channels, would I then be able > to wander around floor to floor and stay on the net with the same IP > address? but as someone else has pointed out it's far more complicated than that. You have to have signal overlap, correct channels with no frequency overlap (you can only use 1, 6 and 11), etc. > One person commented 'no filtering by MAC'. Does this mean that every > packet on the wired Ethernet will end up over the air, even if it is > unicast and the corresponding address is not associated with the AP? > Does this differ between the cheap APs and the Lucent products > (AP-500/1000, ignoring the RG)? I said "no filtering by MAC" and meant that the particular gateway I was talking about has no MAC address access filters - you can't choose which MACs can talk to the bridge. Other base stations can do this. The base stations are bridges. Many packets end up over the air, including all broadcast and multicast packets. Do not trust an 802.11b network to be secure. It can't be made secure. WEP helps against denial of service attacks and prevents other simple attacks but has been broken and there is no replacement. The only way to dowireless networking securely is to run secure protocols over the connection. > I realize I'm asking different questions; I'm considering what it > takes to set up my building at work rather than a single AP for home It's a non-trivial undertaking. There are courses at USENIX and LISA amongst other places in the basics of doing this. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 11:19:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from hub.cydonia.net (hub.cydonia.net [208.187.236.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C6B37B408 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spivey@hub.cydonia.net) Received: from localhost (spivey@localhost) by hub.cydonia.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6AIJ9c36505; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan To: Greg Smith Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: laptop as dual homed router In-Reply-To: <200107100944470060.004AC654@smtp.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org the laptop is outta state right now, and not up where i can get to it. however, i'll be back at its location within a day or so and will get this output remit'd to the list then (didn't want it to look like a 'dead thread' for the few days i'll be away from the computer) thanks! On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Greg Smith wrote: > Nathan, > > Let's see the output of > > ifconfig > > Also the output of > > ipfw -a list > > [or output from whatever packet filtering tool you are using] > > I've been using my laptop/FreeBSD combo as a gateway to DSL for almost > a year now with no issues that the above output wouldn't resolve. > > Of course, others have pointed out that maybe you have an undetected > hardware error as well, which dmesgs might point out. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > > >Goodday, > > > > I've setup a p233 laptop with two nics: > > 3com 3c589 - ep0 > > compaq neteligent - xe0 > > > > unfortunately, only ONE interface will work at a time. doesnt matter > If i > > boot with none, either one, or both inserted, i will only get traffic > on > > ONE interface. EITHER will work independantly just fine, either on > > the inside network or the outside. > > > >so basically, both cards work fine; its not a hardware issue. > >the drivers load fine for both too; not a kernel issue > >the right tcp/ip config is being used for both cards; not a network > >issue > >i just can only get _traffic_ on one at a time when both are inserted. > > >with just one in, it'll work just fine, regardless of which card, and > >regardless of which network i wanna use it on (ie. private 10.x.x.x or > >the public network via cable modem service) > > > > i'm replacing an existing ppro pc thats doing my routing/nat for me > just > > fine now, and have basically mirrored the kernel and configs for > natd, > > pccardd, etc on the laptop... so i know its not a configuration issue > >since i've done this before more than once (: > > > > if both are in, one interface will work (which ever was loaded first) > and > > i can see the network fine. but the other one won't send/recv any > >traffic, > > just acts like its dead. even tho, if its the outside interface, it > still > > gets its DHCP fed to it, it just won't work... > > > > i'm wondering if its a laptop thing (pcmcia) since my pc router with > fbsd > > is working fine.. maybe something with pccardd or something that > inhibits > >two nics working at the same time?? > > > >thanks! > >nathan > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 11:42:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from carp.aciri.org (carp.aciri.org [192.150.187.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B46437B405 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bkarp@carp.aciri.org) Received: from carp.aciri.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carp.aciri.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6AIg6L14431; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bkarp@carp.aciri.org) Message-Id: <200107101842.f6AIg6L14431@carp.aciri.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 From: Brad Karp To: Nick Sayer Cc: bkarp@icsi.berkeley.edu, mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Novatel Merlin for Ricochet under FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Sayer of "Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:11:10 PDT." <1498.206.112.124.107.994738270.squirrel@medusa.kfu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:42:06 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just for those on the list's benefit: Nick and I exchanged notes, and it seems we'd miscommunicated. In his earlier note to the list, he was speaking of the *old* *non-Ricochet* Merlin card, which was CDPD, not for the Ricochet 128 Kbps network, which I was reporting not to work properly. So my earlier note: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=45423+0+current/freebsd-mobile still holds; I can't get the Merlin for Ricochet card to generate receive interrupts, despite using an IRQ that works for all my other PC-Cards on the same laptop. I only wanted to follow up so that those on the list don't get the false impression this problem has been solved, and/or buy Merlin Ricochet cards assuming they'll work out-of-the-box. -Brad, bkarp@icsi.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Jul 10 19:12:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from guardian.apnic.net (guardian.apnic.net [203.37.255.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42E737B408 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ggm@apnic.net) Received: (from mail@localhost) by guardian.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29756 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:12:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from hadrian.staff.apnic.net(192.168.1.1) by int-gw.staff.apnic.net via smap (V2.1) id xma029695; Wed, 11 Jul 01 12:12:26 +1000 Received: (from ggm@localhost) by hadrian.staff.apnic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12106 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:12:23 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200107110212.MAA12106@hadrian.staff.apnic.net> From: ggm@apnic.net (George Michaelson) To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:10 EST Subject: making a Dell L400 have a functional mouse under X Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warning to the wise: don't assume XFree86 bypasses moused/sysmouse Clueless me has been failing to get 1,2,1+2 out of X. Only on realizing that moused -3 made X11's Emulate3Buttons redundant did this work. It might help a newbie or other low clue density space (l)user if somebody documents in either X or sysmouse/moused that if you do the -3 trick, the (synthetic) mouse events sent to X *are* 3 button enabled already. doh! cheers -George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 8:22:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DAD37B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6BFMQF00369; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6BFMJo00528; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107111522.f6BFMJo00528@harmony.village.org> To: Nick Sayer Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Cc: nexus@fileseeker.net, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:34:03 PDT." <1799.206.112.124.107.994772043.squirrel@medusa.kfu.com> References: <1799.206.112.124.107.994772043.squirrel@medusa.kfu.com> <006201c10924$ef44a310$8a04a8c0@warpgondel> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:22:19 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <1799.206.112.124.107.994772043.squirrel@medusa.kfu.com> Nick Sayer writes: : The AirPort should really have been on the original list of options. So far : as I am aware, however, it is an expensive choice -- they still sell at : Fry's for $299, last I checked. Also, configuring them is only supported : with MacOS tools (note that as usual, "supported" != "possible" -- see the : net/airport port). The original list was for cheap ones. Eg, those for $220 or less :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 8:23:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0301237B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6BFNlF00378; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6BFNfo00547; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107111523.f6BFNfo00547@harmony.village.org> To: unsafe at any speed Subject: Re: laptop as dual homed router Cc: Nathan , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:27:33 PDT." <3B4B2CF5.50306@ucsd.edu> References: <3B4B2CF5.50306@ucsd.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:23:41 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <3B4B2CF5.50306@ucsd.edu> unsafe at any speed writes: : what messages do you get when you insert the second card? it sounds like : you may have bogus IRQs or I/O addresses in your pccard.conf--the first : one is good, but not the second. Also, what rev of FreeBSD? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 8:54:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu (rigel.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C1837B407 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrb@cs.pdx.edu) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (root@sirius.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.57]) by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04470 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (jrb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sirius.cs.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04907 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107111554.IAA04907@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: wi.4 and wicontrol.8 man pages Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:54:45 -0700 From: Jim Binkley Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~jrb/wi/wicontrol.8 http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~jrb/wi/wi.4 I took a crack at editing the wi.4 and wicontrol.8 man pages. Comments cheerfully accepted although I'll be away for awhile. Should be at least one good argument. Basic idea: wi.4 - minimal ... just tried to mention 11mbits in order not to scare somebody. And weasel word a few things. wicontrol.8 - removed pre IBSS "don't know what it does" notes ... tried to make entire mode bit more clear. Put simple config example section in. Couple concerns: 1. I'm not sure what to put about the -t transmit rate section. It's older than 11 mbits. I believe it isn't necessarily wrong, but I'm not sure about that. The default is still "3" which means auto rate select. 2. If somebody changed the mode default in current or whatever to managed mode, the man page should match ... (or perhaps say nothing about the default). Even I would agree that the default should not be demo ad hoc mode ... :-> The driver should come up in a 802.11 mode that interoperates. regards, Jim Binkley jrb@cs.pdx.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 9: 1:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu (rigel.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68A937B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrb@cs.pdx.edu) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (root@sirius.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.57]) by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04914 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (jrb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sirius.cs.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05411 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107111601.JAA05411@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Julian Elischer - BSD access point/lucent cards Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:01:09 -0700 From: Jim Binkley Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Was the work that Julian Elischer doing on creating a binary BSD driver that would support managed mode on desktops ever made public, for-sale, whatever? I remember reading on BAWUG that there would be an estimated price around $35 per? regards, Jim Binkley jrb@cs.pdx.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 9: 8:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rigel.cs.pdx.edu (rigel.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CEC37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:08:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrb@cs.pdx.edu) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (root@sirius.cs.pdx.edu [131.252.208.57]) by rigel.cs.pdx.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA05468 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sirius.cs.pdx.edu (jrb@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sirius.cs.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05938 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107111608.JAA05938@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: roaming from AP POV Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:08:53 -0700 From: Jim Binkley Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My understanding of roaming is that there are three possible "roaming" protocols in terms of the access points. 1. none ... you have to manually set APs to different channels. E.g., I have the cheapest linksys AP, and it doesn't seem to have any brains in that dept ?! 2. some proprietary scheme ... 3. IAPP, or Inter-Acess Point Protocol, which seems to have two parts ... an exchange of UDP beacons between APs that allow them to set themselves auto-magically to different channels, and a handoff protocol so that in theory packets for a node that was associated with AP A can go to AP B. Any comments? I suspect cheaper APs support #1 ... Lucent does 3. Cisco does ??? regards, Jim Binkley jrb@cs.pdx.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 9:53: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2618137B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 15KNES-0004HB-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:53:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:53:00 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: roaming from AP POV Message-ID: <20010711125300.A16135@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <200107111608.JAA05938@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107111608.JAA05938@sirius.cs.pdx.edu>; from jrb@cs.pdx.edu on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 09:08:53AM -0700 X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Binkley probably said: > 1. none ... you have to manually set APs to different channels. > E.g., I have the cheapest linksys AP, and it doesn't seem to > have any brains in that dept ?! All the "home" APs do not actively support roaming. You have to set things up. > 2. some proprietary scheme ... > > 3. IAPP, or Inter-Acess Point Protocol, which seems to have > two parts ... an exchange of UDP beacons between APs that allow > them to set themselves auto-magically to different channels, > and a handoff protocol so that in theory packets for a node > that was associated with AP A can go to AP B. > > Any comments? I suspect cheaper APs support #1 ... > Lucent does 3. Cisco does ??? There is no standard for a protocol for access points to talk to each other. Until there is, all of these are non-standard (bar #1). The area hasn't settled down yet and it's likely to take a while. P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 10: 0:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDCD37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f6BH0PO03950 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:00:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:00:25 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: roaming from AP POV Message-ID: <20010711100025.A2879@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200107111608.JAA05938@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> <20010711125300.A16135@pir.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010711125300.A16135@pir.net>; from pir@pir.net on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 12:53:00PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 12:53:00PM -0400, Peter Radcliffe wrote: > There is no standard for a protocol for access points to talk to each > other. Until there is, all of these are non-standard (bar #1). The > area hasn't settled down yet and it's likely to take a while. The 802.11 working group did this on purpose to avoid constraining implementations to the trivial sort of one most APs use which requies a single Ethernet segment to function. Personaly, I'm intrested in a distribution service (DS) that uses IPSec tunnels to communicated with a centralized controller because I'd really like to avoid distributing an ethernet segment to 5 buildings on two seperate campuses. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7TIYnXY6L6fI4GtQRAohSAJ9owBvKlWr7P+/0yBXs/+la8jia8ACfQqLf 6FAswUPoxs9HBIfRnF+zyiY= =tq0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 10:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB96037B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 15KNV0-0004Q3-00 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:10:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:10:05 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: roaming from AP POV Message-ID: <20010711131005.C16135@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200107111608.JAA05938@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> <20010711125300.A16135@pir.net> <20010711100025.A2879@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010711100025.A2879@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu>; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:00:25AM -0700 X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brooks Davis probably said: > single Ethernet segment to function. Personaly, I'm intrested in a > distribution service (DS) that uses IPSec tunnels to communicated with a > centralized controller because I'd really like to avoid distributing an > ethernet segment to 5 buildings on two seperate campuses. You might want to look at Proxim's kit, particularly Harmony. The Harmony base stations are small, simple, relatively cheap (for enterprise base stations) and pass their traffic back a controller. You can have the base stations on various networks around and the wireless traffic tunnels back to the controller and can end up in the same broadcast domain. We're rolling out some of their equipment at work. Works pretty well. http://www.proxim.com/products/harmony/ P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 11:38:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.umd.edu (darkstar.umd.edu [128.8.215.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175E537B405 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.umd.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6BIcXi00733 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:38:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Message-ID: <3B4C9D29.927140AD@glue.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:38:33 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Airport and Gold cards Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a laptop with an orinoco gold card, can I use that to connect to an Apple Airport? The airport isn't in my building so I can't just put a gold card in it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 11:42:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (mb-20-100.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A32D37B405 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6BIg2D07776; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6BIg0X01472; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 7018371; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3B4C9DF8.459C2257@mitre.org> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:42:00 -0400 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Airport and Gold cards References: <3B4C9D29.927140AD@glue.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brandon Fosdick wrote: > > I have a laptop with an orinoco gold card, can I use that to connect to > an Apple Airport? The airport isn't in my building so I can't just put a > gold card in it. Only if the encryption is turned off AFAIK. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 11:43: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7943937B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15KOwu-000AcJ-00; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:00 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Airport and Gold cards References: <3B4C9D29.927140AD@glue.umd.edu> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:00 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have a laptop with an orinoco gold card, can I use that to connect to > an Apple Airport? yes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 11:43:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A843437B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gshapiro@gshapiro.net) Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (gshapiro@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.0.Beta14/8.12.0.Beta14) with ESMTP id f6BIhcZn003137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.0.Beta14/8.12.0.Beta14) id f6BIhcnk003134; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15180.40538.51781.439377@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:38 -0700 From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: Jason Andresen Cc: Brandon Fosdick , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Airport and Gold cards In-Reply-To: <3B4C9DF8.459C2257@mitre.org> References: <3B4C9D29.927140AD@glue.umd.edu> <3B4C9DF8.459C2257@mitre.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.5 (beta1) "anise" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I have a laptop with an orinoco gold card, can I use that to connect to >> an Apple Airport? The airport isn't in my building so I can't just put a >> gold card in it. jandrese> Only if the encryption is turned off AFAIK. No, you can use it with encryption as well, but won't be able to use the full 128bit WEP, only the 40bit (Silver) level. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 11:44: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B7C37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.30 #1) id 15KOxj-000Ads-00; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:51 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Jason Andresen Cc: Brandon Fosdick , mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Airport and Gold cards References: <3B4C9D29.927140AD@glue.umd.edu> <3B4C9DF8.459C2257@mitre.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:43:51 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I have a laptop with an orinoco gold card, can I use that to connect to >> an Apple Airport? The airport isn't in my building so I can't just put a >> gold card in it. > Only if the encryption is turned off AFAIK. you can crypt, just five byte key, not 13. airport is a silver card. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 11:44:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from salt.cips.nokia.com (Salt.network-alchemy.com [209.249.246.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1802237B406 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from key@cips.nokia.COM) Received: from salt.cips.nokia.com (localhost.cips.nokia.com [127.0.0.1]) by salt.cips.nokia.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6BIiUG80710; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from key@salt.cips.nokia.com) Message-Id: <200107111844.f6BIiUG80710@salt.cips.nokia.com> To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ken Key Subject: Re: Airport and Gold cards In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:38:33 -0400. <3B4C9D29.927140AD@glue.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:44:30 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, but if it's running WEP, you'll need the "Network Password", which is different from the string the Apple guys put in. The Apple administrator tool hashes the text string they put in to create a 40-bit password. There's a pull-down option in the Apple Airport manager show the "network password", which will be a 5 byte hexidecimal value. Use that as your WEP key and it will work just fine. That's what I do at home. Regards, K^2 > I have a laptop with an orinoco gold card, can I use that to connect to > an Apple Airport? The airport isn't in my building so I can't just put a > gold card in it. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message -- Ken Key (key@cips.nokia.com, key@Network-Alchemy.com) Nokia, Clustered IP Solutions, Santa Cruz, CA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 20:20:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C11937B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:20:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from raj@cisco.com) Received: from mira-sjcm-2.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-2.cisco.com [171.69.24.14]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f6C3KFj24656 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitab.cisco.com (kitab.cisco.com [171.69.187.233]) by mira-sjcm-2.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AMT02141; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from raj@localhost) by kitab.cisco.com (8.11.0/8.9.2) id f6C3K1216714; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from raj) From: Richard Johnson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15181.5982.754147.566032@kitab.cisco.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:19:58 -0700 To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Airport and Gold cards In-Reply-To: <200107111844.f6BIiUG80710@salt.cips.nokia.com> References: <3B4C9D29.927140AD@glue.umd.edu> <200107111844.f6BIiUG80710@salt.cips.nokia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This discussion reminds me that a while back I put together a web page describing how to get FreeBSD wireless ethernet cards to work along with Apple Airport, Lucent RG1000 Gateway, and Cabletron RoamAbout AccessPoint systems. I have a Cabletron AccessPoint (which I bought long before Cisco bought Aironet) and other relatives of mine have the other two types, so I have first hand experience with getting FreeBSD to work with these systems. The web page also references some other good pages on how to upgrade your Airport to 128 bit WEP, etc. Anyway, here's the link: http://www.employees.org/~raj/wireless.html If you find anything wrong here please let me know. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Jul 11 23:48:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from babel.spoiled.org (babel.spoiled.org [212.84.234.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 821F637B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list-freebsd.mobile@spoiled.org) Received: (qmail 18163 invoked by uid 8); 12 Jul 2001 06:48:41 -0000 From: thomas graichen Reply-To: thomas graichen X-Newsgroups: spoiled.freebsd.mobile Subject: Re: Wireless base stations Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:42:45 +0200 Organization: spoiled dot org Lines: 23 Distribution: local Message-ID: References: <3B4B09DF.23F87787@mitre.org> Reply-To: thomas graichen X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@spoiled.org User-Agent: tin/1.4.4-20000803 ("Vet for the Insane") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.6-pre7-xfs (i686)) To: mobile@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason Andresen wrote: (some things about the apple airport) > Although it isn't supported either, Windows users can use a client > called Freebase. > http://freebase.sourceforge.net/ > Really, if you don't need a 56k modem, a DHCP server, or NAT on the > basestation you don't really need an Airport. There are several > other (cheaper!) alternatives mentioned earlier in this article. also it does not support 128bit enc (at least not without some hardware fiddling :-) ... on the other side i think it is the best looking one ... t -- thomas graichen ... perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away. --- antoine de saint-exupery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 0:30: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8387337B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from icarus.kfu.com (icarus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:260:1dff:fe1e:7cdf] (may be forged)) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6C7Tsa40139 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK) for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) From: Nick Sayer Received: (from nsayer@localhost) by icarus.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6C7TrK03849 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107120729.f6C7TrK03849@icarus.kfu.com> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with Netgear MA401 (wi) Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I committed a pccard.conf entry for this card a couple days ago, but it turns out that there are a couple of bizarre issues with this card. 1. The Ethernet address for it comes up consistently wrong. It comes up 80:5e:c0:c0:80:nn (nn = random) when it should come out 00:30:ab:mumble. 2. Encryption appears to not work. The reason I thought the card was working before was because I wasn't using encryption in the temporary environment I was using at the time. I can set a key, but wicontrol shows the encryption is always on regardless of whether it is or not, and if it is on, wicontrol -o shows the "can't decrypt WEP frame" number going up. 3. It does not appear to go into IBSS mode with -c 1 alone. wicontrol -p 0 is also required, even though I have seen folks on this list say that makes no sense. The driver that comes on the CD for Linux appears to be a generic one (but I didn't look at it very hard). Anyone familiar with this driver who can give me some debugging pointers would be very appreciated. I really want to get it to work because my Lucent cards block the 2nd USB port on my Vaio (along with the [useless] memory stick slot). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 7:17:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9431937B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:17:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00176 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:17:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:17:42 -0600 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Driver for D-Link DWL-650 card? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please pardon me for reposting this query on a second list, but I got no answer when I sent it to freebsd-hardware. Does anyone know if one of the existing 802.11b drivers will work with the D-Link DWL-650 card? There are some great prices out there on this one, plus a rebate offer that runs from this week through the end of July. (I just bought one, new, for $74.50 INCLUDING shipping and the rebate.) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 10:32:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0F037B43B for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f6CHVo728361; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:31:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:31:50 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driver for D-Link DWL-650 card? Message-ID: <20010712103150.A11538@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 08:17:42AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 08:17:42AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > Please pardon me for reposting this query on a second list, but I got no= =20 > answer when I sent it to freebsd-hardware. Does anyone know if one of the= =20 > existing 802.11b drivers will work with the D-Link DWL-650 card? There=20 > are some great prices out there on this one, plus a rebate offer that=20 > runs from this week through the end of July. (I just bought one, new, for= =20 > $74.50 INCLUDING shipping and the rebate.) There's an entry in /etc/defaults/pccard.conf so it should work. I would note that you get what you pay for with these things. I've got a co-worker who bought one and now wishes he hadn't because the performance and range are crap compared to the Cisco Aironet 340 cards. They do work and he does us the card regularly, but it isn't all that great. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Td8FXY6L6fI4GtQRAvaUAJ9R2wBddx30/aDB0uezuAyjnxnyGgCdGPCv ZtVXv3Rsvn+4VnsMNl6E9uA= =wfRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 10:48:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248EC37B406 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03208; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712114555.044e3320@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:47:58 -0600 To: Brooks Davis From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Driver for D-Link DWL-650 card? Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010712103150.A11538@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:31 AM 7/12/2001, Brooks Davis wrote: >There's an entry in /etc/defaults/pccard.conf so it should work. >I would note that you get what you pay for with these things. I've got a >co-worker who bought one and now wishes he hadn't because the performance >and range are crap compared to the Cisco Aironet 340 cards. They do >work and he does us the card regularly, but it isn't all that great. We'll see! This card is mainly for venues where there's a hub close by, e.g. at conferences and cybercafes. If it's just the antenna that's bad (most likely, since the chips are likely to be the same as those used in other cards) perhaps I can replace it with a better one. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 12:23:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from wasp.eng.ufl.edu (wasp.eng.ufl.edu [128.227.116.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEDD37B406 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob89@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu) Received: from garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu (scanner.engnet.ufl.edu [128.227.152.221]) by wasp.eng.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05029; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B4DF92C.5040706@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:23:24 -0400 From: Bob Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386; en-US; rv:0.9) Gecko/20010711 X-Accept-Language: en, eo MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Driver for D-Link DWL-650 card? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > Please pardon me for reposting this query on a second list, but I got no > answer when I sent it to freebsd-hardware. Does anyone know if one of > the existing 802.11b drivers will work with the D-Link DWL-650 card? > There are some great prices out there on this one, plus a rebate offer > that runs from this week through the end of July. (I just bought one, > new, for $74.50 INCLUDING shipping and the rebate.) > I'm using a DWL-650, and it seems to work fine with the wi driver except that it cannot do encryption. I believe that is true of all PRISM II based cards, which means most of the cheap ones. Someone is working on adding full PRISM II support to the wi driver, and expects to have it ready in about 6 weeks. Check the -mobile archives for more info on that. I have not tested mine in ad-hoc mode: I don't know if that works. So, where can I get one for $75? I know a few people who might buy them for that price (I might even buy one for my wife ;). > --Brett - Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 12:28: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B6037B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:27:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04699; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:27:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712132417.04656100@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:27:43 -0600 To: Bob Johnson From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Driver for D-Link DWL-650 card? Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3B4DF92C.5040706@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:23 PM 7/12/2001, Bob Johnson wrote: >I'm using a DWL-650, and it seems to work fine with the wi driver except >that it cannot do encryption. That's OK; I use a VPN for anything sensitive that goes over wireless. >I believe that is true of all PRISM II >based cards, which means most of the cheap ones. Someone is working on >adding full PRISM II support to the wi driver, and expects to have it >ready in about 6 weeks. Check the -mobile archives for more info on >that. That's good to know! Thank you. >I have not tested mine in ad-hoc mode: I don't know if that works. > >So, where can I get one for $75? I know a few people who might buy >them for that price (I might even buy one for my wife ;). Computers4Sure had it for that price yesterday. This morning, after their low price sparked a lot of interest, they raised the price by $10. See http://www.computers4sure.com/product.asp?productid=110121 --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 12:31:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from wasp.eng.ufl.edu (wasp.eng.ufl.edu [128.227.116.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627D137B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob89@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu) Received: from garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu (scanner.engnet.ufl.edu [128.227.152.221]) by wasp.eng.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05219; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B4DFAF9.3040908@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:31:05 -0400 From: Bob Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386; en-US; rv:0.9) Gecko/20010711 X-Accept-Language: en, eo MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Driver for D-Link DWL-650 card? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost> <3B4DF92C.5040706@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bob Johnson wrote: > Brett Glass wrote: > >> Please pardon me for reposting this query on a second list, but I got >> no answer when I sent it to freebsd-hardware. Does anyone know if one >> of the existing 802.11b drivers will work with the D-Link DWL-650 >> card? There are some great prices out there on this one, plus a rebate >> offer that runs from this week through the end of July. (I just bought >> one, new, for $74.50 INCLUDING shipping and the rebate.) >> > > > I'm using a DWL-650, and it seems to work fine with the wi driver except > that it cannot do encryption. I believe that is true of all PRISM II > based cards, which means most of the cheap ones. Someone is working on > adding full PRISM II support to the wi driver, and expects to have it > ready in about 6 weeks. Check the -mobile archives for more info on > that. > There is a caveat that I forgot to mention: it doesn't seem to have as much range as advertised, but the problem may be my access point. I'm going to borrow a 3-Com card tonight and do a direct comparison. If the D-Link card does have notably worse performance I'll post that info tonight. - Bob > I have not tested mine in ad-hoc mode: I don't know if that works. > > So, where can I get one for $75? I know a few people who might buy > them for that price (I might even buy one for my wife ;). > > >> --Brett > > > - Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 12:34:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE89437B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04816; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:34:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712133218.0446ff00@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:34:07 -0600 To: Bob Johnson , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Driver for D-Link DWL-650 card? In-Reply-To: <3B4DFAF9.3040908@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712081345.04606810@localhost> <3B4DF92C.5040706@garbonzo.hos.ufl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:31 PM 7/12/2001, Bob Johnson wrote: >There is a caveat that I forgot to mention: it doesn't seem to have as >much range as advertised, but the problem may be my access point. Someone else mentioned that earlier. It could be the antenna, which is oddly shaped. Is there an easy way to plug in an alternate antenna? I hear that Orinoco cards get better range if you put on a short whip antenna; maybe this one does too. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 13: 1:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mighty.grot.org (mighty.grot.org [216.15.97.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B135837B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aditya@grot.org) Received: by mighty.grot.org (Postfix, from userid 515) id 885FC5DA8; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:01:48 -0700 From: "R.P. Aditya" To: Bob Johnson Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Driver for D-Link DWL-650 card? Message-ID: <20010712130148.A48893@mighty.grot.org> Reply-To: "R.P. Aditya" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-PGP-Key: http://www.grot.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x6405D8D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Bob Johnson wrote: > There is a caveat that I forgot to mention: it doesn't seem to have as > much range as advertised, but the problem may be my access point. I'm > going to borrow a 3-Com card tonight and do a direct comparison. If > the D-Link card does have notably worse performance I'll post that info > tonight. I've found that the card does have a "weaker" antenna than the Orinoco card. I've tried a direct comparison with various APs including the Intel 2011, Lucent/Avaya AP-1000, Dlink DWL-1000AP and Cisco Aironet 340 with the same results. Adi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 13:18: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ls212.hinet.hr (ls212.hinet.hr [195.29.150.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3910137B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lampa@mioc.hr) Received: from ls401.hinet.hr (ls401.hinet.hr [195.29.150.2]) by ls212.hinet.hr (0.0.0/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6CKHwq32388 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:17:58 +0200 Received: from alpha (ad1-m38.net.hinet.hr [195.29.129.38]) by ls401.hinet.hr (0.0.0/8.11.3) with SMTP id f6CKHg223652 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:17:57 +0200 Message-ID: <003a01c10b0f$bc5e82d0$26811dc3@alpha> From: "Damir Lampa" To: Subject: Problems with PCMCIA Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:17:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm using 4.3 RELASE, and whenever I insert the Actiontec 33600+LAN combo card everything freezes. I can only turn the laptop off (Dell Inspiron 4000). The card gets recognized in w2k as "Multifunction Card LAN and Modem Combo". When I remove the card, everything remains frozen. Pccardd is running with the default config. As for kernel, everything for PCMCIA support is the same as in GENERIC. If the card is inserted while kernel boots up, it again freezes before the partitions are mounted. I would appreciate any feedback on this very much! Damir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 14:24:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775DF37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 15Knwx-0009s7-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:24:43 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6CLOgn07532 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:24:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:06:29 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: init hangs leaving single user mode Message-ID: <20010708000629.A26358@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I built and installed world and kernel on tuesday (4 days ago). I am running -stable on a 4010cdt toshiba satellite. I have 2 PCCards: the Noteworthy 56k modem that comes with the machine, and a Kingston ethernet card. I do this: shutdown now and then exit My modem is on sio1 and my ethernet on ed0. As multi-user mode is starting, whichever card is in the system is bumped to the next higher device number, according to the kernel (bold print) message (sio1->sio2, ed0->ed1). In either case, the machine hangs after printing this line. These messages do not appear in any log because the machine locks while writing them. If I removed the cards, start multi-user mode, then re-insert them, everything works fine. I will happily provide any other info requested. Jonathon -- Microsoft complaining about the source license used by Linux is like the event horizon calling the kettle black. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Jul 12 16:22:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481BA37B403; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from icarus.kfu.com ([3ffe:1200:301b:1:a00:20ff:fede:adbf]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6CNMSa64961 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by icarus.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6CNMRP00946; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3B4E3132.2050009@quack.kfu.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:22:26 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010701 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Netgear MA401 (wi) References: <200107120729.f6C7TrK03849@icarus.kfu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just to follow up on myself... I have done some more research and figured out most of what is going on. The MA401 is another Prism II based card, aparently. http://people.freebsd.org/~wpaul/wi.patch, when ported to -stable, appears to do the trick. The patch applies with some fuzz, other than adding 'int wi_prism2' to the softc. This fixed the problem with encryption. The Ethernet address still comes up wrong (and different every time). I am temporarily working around this with 'ifconfig ${interface} ether 8:0:20:de:ad:bf' in my start_if.wi0 file until the problem is fixed correctly. One must make sure to add the '0x10000' to the pccard.conf entry one makes for this card so the driver can be properly informed that this is indeed a Prism II card. Many thanks (again) to Bill Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 0:12:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sharmas.dhs.org (cpe-66-1-147-119.ca.sprintbbd.net [66.1.147.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E529C37B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org) Received: by sharmas.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 669FA5DD95; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:53:03 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: 64 bit WEP works, but 128 doesn't ? Message-ID: <20010712235303.A6737@sharmas.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I upgraded the firmware on my Linksys access point to 1.37.9b and set the level of encryption to 128 bits. Windows continues to work, but FreeBSD stopped working. Disabling the encryption or setting it to 64 bits makes it happy again. Is there anything else I need to do apart from setting the new (longer) key using wicontrol ? I'm running with a slightly modified if_wi.c as suggested by this list to support the linksys access point. -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 1: 8:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from sysadmin.chi.wdr.com (sysadmin.chi.ubswarburg.com [146.180.1.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D135737B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:08:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from devin@sysadmin.chi.wdr.com) Received: from devin by sysadmin.chi.wdr.com with local (Exim 3.12 #2) id 15Ky0G-0005Fy-00; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:08:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 03:08:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Tod McQuillin X-X-Sender: To: Jim Binkley Cc: Subject: Re: wi.4 and wicontrol.8 man pages In-Reply-To: <200107111554.IAA04907@sirius.cs.pdx.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Jim Binkley wrote: > http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~jrb/wi/wicontrol.8 > http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~jrb/wi/wi.4 > > I took a crack at editing the wi.4 and wicontrol.8 man pages. > Comments cheerfully accepted although I'll be away for awhile. > Should be at least one good argument. These are very nice, thanks. > wicontrol.8 - removed pre IBSS "don't know what it does" notes ... > tried to make entire mode bit more clear. Put simple config example > section in. What is '-p 0' then? I've been running my card with -p 0 (no basestation so it must be some kind of ad-hoc mode) for a week now and it works fine. Maybe it is the same as -p 1. -- Tod McQuillin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 7:44:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate3.cinetic.de (mailgate3.cinetic.de [212.227.116.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1707437B406 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from J.Kois@web.de) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mailgate3.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id f6DEiQg14144; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:44:27 +0200 Received: from web.de by smtp.web.de with smtp (freemail 4.2.2.2 #11) id m15L4B8-007oFrC; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:44 +0200 Message-ID: <3B4F094B.5010303@web.de> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:44:27 +0200 From: Johann Kois User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; de-DE; rv:0.9.1) Gecko/20010607 Netscape6/6.1b1 X-Accept-Language: de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damir Lampa Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with PCMCIA References: <003a01c10b0f$bc5e82d0$26811dc3@alpha> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Damir Lampa wrote: > I'm using 4.3 RELASE, and whenever I insert the Actiontec 33600+LAN combo > card everything freezes. I can only turn the laptop off (Dell Inspiron > 4000). The card gets recognized in w2k as "Multifunction Card LAN and Modem > Combo". When I remove the card, everything remains frozen. Pccardd is > running with the default config. As for kernel, everything for PCMCIA > support is the same as in GENERIC. If the card is inserted while kernel > boots up, it again freezes before the partitions are mounted. > > I would appreciate any feedback on this very much! Hi! Altough I don't know this card, I know the problem (for a 16-Bit-pccard). As far as I know there is a misconfiguration in the GENERIC kernel and this problem was discussed several times in this mailing list. A solution could be to set an irq for your pccard. I think it's because pcic went to polling mode by default but must be in interrupted mode for correct working. In my case (problem with pccard modem) this was the solution. Johann Kois To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 9: 8:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0B737B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:08:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oberman@ptavv.es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6DG8TA10082; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107131608.f6DG8TA10082@ptavv.es.net> To: Johann Kois Cc: Damir Lampa , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with PCMCIA In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:44:27 +0200." <3B4F094B.5010303@web.de> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:08:29 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:44:27 +0200 > From: Johann Kois > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG > > Altough I don't know this card, I know the problem (for a 16-Bit-pccard). > > As far as I know there is a misconfiguration in the GENERIC kernel and > this problem was discussed several times in this mailing list. > > A solution could be to set an irq for your pccard. I think it's because > pcic went to polling mode by default but must be in interrupted mode for > correct working. > > In my case (problem with pccard modem) this was the solution. This may well fix the problem, although the symptoms were not an exact match for those normally seen on laptops with this problem. It's not an error in GENERIC. It's a problem with some laptops not being able to run the pcic controller in polled mode. Whether this is a problem with the laptop or the FreeBSD implementation is not totally clear, but running with no IRQ works fine on most laptops and IRQs tend to be a very scarce commodity on many laptops which makes wasting one on the pcic very undesirable. (The interrupt is used only to notify the kernel of card insertion or removal.) R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 11: 5:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from Kares.server (ppp104.cb.worldonline.cz [212.90.233.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7DD37B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:05:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vaclav.kares@worldonline.cz) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by Kares.server (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6DI5aw00576 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:05:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root@Kares.server) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:05:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Vaclav Kares To: Subject: Re: modem on ThinkPad 600 In-Reply-To: <20010713192822.W450-100000@Kares.server> Message-ID: <20010713200447.S571-100000@Kares.server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to install FreeBSD on ThinkPad 600 but there is a problem with modem. Do you know how to run winmodem ? By this I mean for instance linux driver or something similar. Every experience is invited. Thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 12:18:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from logatome.francenet.fr (logatome-2.francenet.fr [193.149.96.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5722A37B406 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e-masson@kisoft-services.com) Received: from notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (pppA144.francenet.fr [193.149.100.54]) by logatome.francenet.fr (8.10.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6DJIoR62617; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:18:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: by notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4BCDBE6C76; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:01:36 +0200 (CEST) To: Vaclav Kares Cc: Subject: Re: modem on ThinkPad 600 References: <20010713200447.S571-100000@Kares.server> From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: <20010713200447.S571-100000@Kares.server> (Vaclav Kares's message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:05:36 +0200 (CEST)") X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:01:35 +0200 Message-ID: <86r8vkejqo.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "Vaclav" == Vaclav Kares writes: Vaclav> I would like to install FreeBSD on ThinkPad 600 but there is a Vaclav> problem with modem. Do you know how to run winmodem ? /usr/ports/comms/mwavem Eric Masson -- B: Quelqu'un a-t-il déjà fait fonctionner ce modem sous linux ???? G.P.: Je me demande si ça ne marcherait pas en faisant un proxy avec un vieux PC sous Windows en réseau avec un PC sous Linux. -+- in Guide de linuxien pervers : "le réseau, c'est simple comme un proxy" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 13:37:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ls212.hinet.hr (ls212.hinet.hr [195.29.150.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BD537B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:37:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lampa@mioc.hr) Received: from ls401.hinet.hr (ls401.hinet.hr [195.29.150.2]) by ls212.hinet.hr (0.0.0/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6DKb7q32303 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:37:07 +0200 Received: from alpha (ad7-m75.net.hinet.hr [195.29.135.75]) by ls401.hinet.hr (0.0.0/8.11.3) with SMTP id f6DKb6222737 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:37:07 +0200 Message-ID: <008501c10bdb$93b76e60$4b871dc3@alpha> From: "Damir Lampa" To: References: <003a01c10b0f$bc5e82d0$26811dc3@alpha> <200107122153110710.02E1D7A8@smtp.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Problems with PCMCIA Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:16:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have resolved the card recognition problems, thanks to Greg, but now system freezes when I try to dial out using ppp. What could be wrong? It could be a conflict of some kind, but I'm unable to record anything in the logs because it freezes. It looks something like this: ppp on alpha > dial provider _ (cursor :) The card has been set to IRQ 10, which is free, the memory window for PCMCIA is 0xd8000, controller is set to IRQ 11. I had to add the card description myself to /etc/pccard.conf, where I have put: config auto "sio" ? under the proper CIS for the card. Any ideas, anyone? Thanks a bunch, especially to Greg Smith who provided me a lot of valuable info so far! Damir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 23: 2: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E38037B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:02:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john.gordon@windriver.com) Received: from windriver.com (johng-home-pc [147.11.33.26]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15455; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B4FE228.A57F1963@windriver.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:09:44 -0700 From: John Gordon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with Upgrade to 4.3-RELEASE (April 2001 CD) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I have just upgraded from 4.2-RELEASE (November 2000) to the 4.3-RELEASE (April 2001) version on my laptop. In doing so I have encountered a lot of problems relating to the Xircom CEM56 PCMCIA card that is embedded in my laptop (permanently embedded). Most of these I have fixed now, so I thought I'd share the experience in case anybody else tries the same. First some details about the hardware: Laptop: DEC/Digital HiNote Ultra 2000 PCMCIA Card: Xircom CEM56 in slot 0 of pccard0 (there are two PCMCIA bridges in this PC) Under 4.2 the relevant parts of the startup sequence output were: ---8<--- pcic-pci0: irq 9 at device 7.0 on pci0 pcic-pci0: TI113X PCI Config Reg: [speaker enable][CSC serial isa irq] pcic-pci1: irq 10 at device 7.1 on pci0 pcic-pci1: TI113X PCI Config Reg: [speaker enable][CSC serial isa irq] pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 on isa0 pcic0: Polling mode pccard0: on pcic0 pccard1: on pcic0 pccard: card inserted, slot 0 xe0 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff iomem 0xd0000-0xd0fff irq 11 slot 0 on pccard0 xe0: Xircom CEM56, bonding version 0x55, 100Mbps capable, with modem xe0: DingoID = 0x444b, RevisionID = 0, VendorID = 0 xe0: Ethernet address 00:80:c7:4c:3f:a1 ---8<--- Under 4.3 that became: ---8<--- pcic-pci0: irq 9 at device 7.0 on pci0 pcic-pci0: TI113X PCI Config Reg: [speaker enable][CSC serial isa irq] pcic-pci1: irq 10 at device 7.1 on pci0 pcic-pci1: TI113X PCI Config Reg: [speaker enable][CSC serial isa irq] pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 on isa0 pcic0: Polling mode pccard0: on pcic0 pccard1: on pcic0 xe0 at port 0x2e8-0x2ef iomem 0xd0000-0xd0fff irq 10 slot 0 on pccard0 xe0: Xircom CEM56, bonding version 0x55, 100Mbps capable, with modem xe0: DingoID = 0x444b, RevisionID = 0, VendorID = 0 xe0: Ethernet address 00:80:c7:4c:3f:a1 xe1 at port 0x2e8-0x2ef iomem 0xd0000-0xd0fff irq 5 slot 0 on pccard0 xe1: Xircom CEM56, bonding version 0xff, 100Mbps capable, with modem xe1: DingoID = 0xffff, RevisionID = 0xffff, VendorID = 0xffff xe1: Ethernet address 00:80:c7:4c:3f:a1 xe2 at port 0x2e8-0x2ef iomem 0xd0000-0xd0fff irq 11 slot 0 on pccard0 xe2: Xircom CEM56, bonding version 0xff, 100Mbps capable, with modem xe2: DingoID = 0xffff, RevisionID = 0xffff, VendorID = 0xffff xe2: Ethernet address 00:80:c7:4c:3f:a1 ---8<--- Note the strange cloning of the ethernet card, and the incorrect choice of interrupt for xe0 and xe1. As you'd expect, this did not function at all. Taking IRQ 5 and 10 away from the list in /etc/defaults/pccard.conf did little to solve the problem, removing only the alias that was on IRQ 5 (don't know why it didn't remove the one on 10 too). So, I modified the entry for the card to force it to use IRQ 11, and that seems to work. Any ideas what has changed between 4.2-r and 4.3-r that causes this strange behaviour? Also, but this isn't changed from 4.2, I still cannot get the external slots to do anything useful. Is there any way to get detection running on pcic-pci1 as well? If nobody has any ideas, I can probably spend some evenings looking at it, but I thought I'd ask first ;-) Regards, John... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Jul 13 23:21:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.alphaque.com (ns2.alphaque.com [202.185.254.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D529D37B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: (qmail 8457 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2001 06:20:45 -0000 Received: from ns2.alphaque.com (HELO prophet.alphaque.com) (202.185.254.11) by ns2.alphaque.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2001 06:20:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (9jnkt8@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prophet.alphaque.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6DIslc01205; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:54:47 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:54:47 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair To: Vaclav Kares Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: modem on ThinkPad 600 In-Reply-To: <20010713200447.S571-100000@Kares.server> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Vaclav Kares wrote: > I would like to install FreeBSD on ThinkPad 600 but there is a problem > with modem. Do you know how to run winmodem ? By this I mean for instance > linux driver or something similar. Every experience is invited. i've got instructions for making the linux lucent winmodem drivers work on freebsd 4.3 if that's what you have. --dinesh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 4:14:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from asuka.penguinsuspenders.net (asuka.penguinsuspenders.net [204.228.142.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8E437B408 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 04:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trk@asuka.penguinsuspenders.net) Received: from trk by asuka.penguinsuspenders.net with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15LNNg-0000GP-00 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 05:14:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 05:14:40 -0600 From: timothy r krell To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD on the ThinkPad T22 Message-ID: <20010714051440.A1010@penguinsuspenders.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been digging around on google (geocrawler as well), and I've found several dozen reports of T21-series Thinkpads not being able to boot after having FreeBSD installed on them. I'm looking to install FreeBSD on my new Thinkpad T22 this weekend, but I've not been able to dig up any information regarding the T22 and FreeBSD compatibility. Has anyone successfully installed FreeBSD 4.3 (or any version, for that matter) on their T22, or is this a hopeless cause? I'm hoping IBM fixed the stupidity of doing weird things with paritition type 165 in the BIOS, but I'd like to confirm before torching my working Linux-2.4.5 setup and installing 4.3. Any advice/help would be appreciated. Tim Krell trk@penguinsuspenders.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 11:47:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.de (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E381A37B403 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dieringe@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15LURc-00069w-02; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:47:12 +0200 Received: from dieringer.no-ip.com (520086575877-0001@[217.0.28.206]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 15LURa-0S3oR6C; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:47:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (martin@localhost) by dieringer.no-ip.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6EIlCY00790 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:47:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dieringe@zedat.fu-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: ThinkPad: martin owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 20:47:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Dieringer To: Subject: kernel config for Thinkpad 600 & BT575? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: 520086575877-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, if somebody happens to have a working -current kernel config for the combination above (Thinkpad 600 and 3com BT575 network cardbus card), it would be nice if s/he could email it to me. I still can't get this working. I always get lockups. thanks, martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 12:59:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ravel.n2.net (ravel.n2.net [207.113.132.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58F137B403 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blovett@venus.bsdguru.com) Received: from venus.bsdguru.com (venus.bsdguru.com [207.113.133.11]) by ravel.n2.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6EJxnm27271 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by venus.bsdguru.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8086585F; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:59:47 -0700 From: Ben Lovett To: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Disk clicking... (Was: Re: Dell Inspiron 8000 and suspend-to-disk) Message-ID: <20010714125947.A7983@bsdguru.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ben Lovett , mobile@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010703101035.A1027@bsdguru.com> <3B433888.7020304@quack.kfu.com> <3B4353BE.927522EF@ufl.edu> <20010704210528.A691@bsdguru.com> <20010707045013.A1368@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010707045013.A1368@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD venus.n2.net 4.3-20010713-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Crescent (40% of Full) X-GPG-Key: http://www.oneinsane.net/~blovett/blovett.pgp X-GPG-Fingerprint: C75F A722 1518 03B8 26C3 77A1 7C76 8AFA EBAB 2004 X-Disclaimer: All things expressed here are my opinions only, and not those of any past, present or future employers. X-Organization: San Diego BSD Users Group [http://www.sdbug.org] X-Uptime: 12:46PM up 27 mins, 5 users, load averages: 0.05, 0.10, 0.16 Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe I saw Greg Lehey (grog@FreeBSD.ORG) write this: > On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 21:05:28 -0700, Ben Lovett wrote: > > I believe I saw Bob Johnson (bobj@ufl.edu) write this: > >> Nick Sayer wrote: > >>> Ben Lovett wrote: > >> > >> I've been using a suspend-to-disk partition for about a year in my > >> Inspiron 7500, and haven't had any problems. It's suspend-to-ram that > >> is unreliable (in Windows and in FreeBSD, and it seems to work better > >> in FreeBSD). Suspend-to-disk mostly works fine with Windows 98 also, > >> except that it is likely to get confused if it wakes up with a different > >> hardware configuration than it went to sleep with. > > I've been using suspend-to-RAM on my 7500 for over a year, and until > recently I had no problems. I think it's related to the version of > FreeBSD I'm running. When I get home, I intend to investigate. > > >> A vague description of how I set up my system is at > >> http://www.afn.org/~afn01750/inspiron.html > >> It might provide you with some useful clues. > >> > > > > Well.. I followed the directions that Nick Sayer described (phdisk > > /create /partition), and the Dell BIOS still fails to find the s2d > > partition :( I'm thinking of contacting Dell regarding this issue, but > > that will have to wait until I find out if my disk is infact dying.. I > > hope not, as I have only had this system for 3 weeks!! > > All the better. They'll replace it for you. > I got the disk replaced.. It took a while, as the technician I talked with neglected to request the name on the credit card, and when Wednesday came without the drive showing up at my door, I decided to give them a call. I recieved the drive that they were supposed to ship on Saturday, the very next day (Thursday), and went about reinstalling all my apps and data from backup tape. Unfortunatly, on Friday, while I was doing a compile of Mozilla, I heard that familiar clicking sound again, and have continued to hear it on occasion. > > As to another question that I have that is totally unrelated to > > suspending to disk.. When I suspend my system, everything works > > fine and dandy. But, when I go to close the display, as soon as it > > latches, the system seems to resume, then suspend again, effectively > > giving power to the HD, and then killing it almost immediatly. > > Yes, I see this behaviour on the 7500 as well. I assume it's flushing > disk buffers or some such. > > > I believe this is the reason behind some strange noises that I hear > > comming from my disk every once in a while. It sounds like one of > > the heads is moving rather abruptly, or something like that. > > Well, the heads all move together. ok.. > > > Has anyone else noticed similar behaviour on Dell i8k's built as of > > late? > > A lot of us noticed "clunk" noises from the disks of 7500s built > between 12 and 18 months ago. I had mine replaced as a result, and > the new disk has never made any noise. Mike Smith didn't have his > replaced, and the disk still goes "clunk" after 18 months, but he > doesn't have any other problems with it. Well.. I guess that I am observing this behavior on my replacement disk, I'll live with it. Unless I hear different. On a sort of side note.. I was discussing this issue with my boss yesterday, and he was explaining to me that when hard drives are manufactured, because of the nature of the mass-production, the platters will never turn out without flaws, and thus will have some bad sectors. So, when the drives go through their low-level formatting at the factory, those sectors will be marked as "bad" on some part of the drive. He was telling me that the reason that the drive may be clicking is that the heads are comming across one of these sectors that is marked bad, when it thought there was data there (or something to that effect), and then resyncing itself. Does that make sense? I believe that is what he was saying. Thanks again.. -ben -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ben Lovett printf("Hello world!); blovett@bsdguru.com return 0; -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 13: 3: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from dandelion.geeksimplex.org (cc53440-a.catv1.md.home.com [24.18.90.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B792D37B403 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from icognito@geeksimplex.org) Received: from icognito by dandelion.geeksimplex.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15LVcy-0001OV-00 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:03:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:03:00 -0400 From: Gabriel Rocha To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the ThinkPad T22 Message-ID: <20010714160300.A5323@geeksimplex.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010714051440.A1010@penguinsuspenders.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ,----[ On Sat, Jul 14, at 05:14AM, timothy r krell wrote: ]-------------- | I've been digging around on google (geocrawler as well), and I've found | several dozen reports of T21-series Thinkpads not being able to boot | after having FreeBSD installed on them. I'm looking to install FreeBSD | on my new Thinkpad T22 this weekend, but I've not been able to dig up | any information regarding the T22 and FreeBSD compatibility. Has anyone | successfully installed FreeBSD 4.3 (or any version, for that matter) on | their T22, or is this a hopeless cause? I'm hoping IBM fixed the | stupidity of doing weird things with paritition type 165 in the BIOS, | but I'd like to confirm before torching my working Linux-2.4.5 setup and | installing 4.3. Any advice/help would be appreciated. `----[ End Quote ]--------------------------- IBM fixed the issue with the Thinkpads not being able to boot in the latest BIOS revision. If if doesnt boot, just update the BIOS, or update the BIOS before installing. --gabe -- "It's not brave if you're not scared." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 13:43:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771A637B405 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6EKvpa01246; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200107142057.f6EKvpa01246@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Ben Lovett Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk clicking... (Was: Re: Dell Inspiron 8000 and suspend-to-disk) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:59:47 PDT." <20010714125947.A7983@bsdguru.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:57:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well.. I guess that I am observing this behavior on my replacement disk, > I'll live with it. Unless I hear different. I've been living with it for nearly two years now, actually. > On a sort of side note.. I was discussing this issue with my boss > yesterday, and he was explaining to me that when hard drives are > manufactured, because of the nature of the mass-production, the platters > will never turn out without flaws, and thus will have some bad sectors. If that was the case, most of my disk would be bad sectors. 8) I can't say you should be happy about it, but experimental evidence suggests you can probably just ignore it. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 14: 3:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.n2.net (chopin.n2.net [207.113.132.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A47A37B401; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blovett@oneinsane.net) Received: from the.oneinsane.net (postfix@the.oneinsane.net [66.42.61.25]) by chopin.n2.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6EL3HR13765; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by the.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1011) id 88D999BFE; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:03:16 -0700 (PDT) References: <200107142057.f6EKvpa01246@mass.dis.org> In-Reply-To: <200107142057.f6EKvpa01246@mass.dis.org> From: "Ben Lovett" To: Mike Smith Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disk clicking... (Was: Re: Dell Inspiron 8000 and suspend-to-disk) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:03:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010714210316.88D999BFE@the.oneinsane.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: >> Well.. I guess that I am observing this behavior on my replacement disk, >> I'll live with it. Unless I hear different. > > I've been living with it for nearly two years now, actually. Yes, I remember Greg Lehey commenting about this.. > >> On a sort of side note.. I was discussing this issue with my boss >> yesterday, and he was explaining to me that when hard drives are >> manufactured, because of the nature of the mass-production, the platters >> will never turn out without flaws, and thus will have some bad sectors. > > If that was the case, most of my disk would be bad sectors. 8) > > I can't say you should be happy about it, but experimental evidence > suggests you can probably just ignore it. > Well.. I'll just be sure to do constant backups to tape. I'm starting to just want to know *why* the disk clicks.. Not if its a hint that the disk may be dying (tho that is still a concern ;) Thanks for the reassurance. -ben > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 15: 3:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E00937B401 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oberman@ptavv.es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6EM3kA02441; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107142203.f6EM3kA02441@ptavv.es.net> To: John Gordon Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Upgrade to 4.3-RELEASE (April 2001 CD) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:09:44 PDT." <3B4FE228.A57F1963@windriver.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 15:03:46 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John, I can't help you with most of the problem. I have a Xircom and have had no similar problems. But maybe I can help on the issues of pcic1. The GENERIC kernel has the pcic1 device listed as "disable". To use the device either: remove the 'disable' and rebuild the kernel or add the line 'enable pcic1' to /boot/kernel.conf and add (if needed) 'userconfig_script_load="YES"' to /boot/loader.conf. If you have a spare IRQ or two, you might assign them to the pcic devices. Some laptops seem to have problems running in polling mode. This can be done either be building a new kernel or in kernel.conf, as with the disable above. Good luck! R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 16:17: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E9F37B406 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:17:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john.gordon@windriver.com) Received: from windriver.com (johng-home-pc [147.11.33.26]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24792; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B50D4BF.756F47A0@windriver.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:24:47 -0700 From: John Gordon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Oberman Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Upgrade to 4.3-RELEASE (April 2001 CD) References: <200107142203.f6EM3kA02441@ptavv.es.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Kevin, Firstly, thanks for the answers. > I can't help you with most of the problem. I have a Xircom and have > had no similar problems. I have found the cause; in the rc.conf file the pccardd_flags had been set to "-i 10" forcing it to use that IRQ. Removing that, and then fixing the list of free interrupts in /etc/pccard.conf to remove the ones already claimed (just about all of them!). > But maybe I can help on the issues of pcic1. > > The GENERIC kernel has the pcic1 device listed as "disable". To use > the device either: > remove the 'disable' and rebuild the kernel or > add the line 'enable pcic1' to /boot/kernel.conf and add (if needed) > 'userconfig_script_load="YES"' to /boot/loader.conf. Thanks, that gets the external slots enabled - glad I asked before hunting for the answer in the code ;-) > If you have a spare IRQ or two, you might assign them to the pcic > devices. Some laptops seem to have problems running in polling > mode. This can be done either be building a new kernel or in > kernel.conf, as with the disable above. Tried this, but it doesn't seem to detect any card insertions or removals; works OK in polled mode though so I'm not that bothered. Thanks again for the help, John... > Good luck! > > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) > E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 19: 9:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F2D37B401 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D36656ACBC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:39:14 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:39:14 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: timothy r krell , Gabriel Rocha Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on the ThinkPad T22 Message-ID: <20010715113914.F96615@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010714051440.A1010@penguinsuspenders.net> <20010714160300.A5323@geeksimplex.org> <20010714051440.A1010@penguinsuspenders.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010714051440.A1010@penguinsuspenders.net>; from trk@penguinsuspenders.net on Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 05:14:40AM -0600 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 14 July 2001 at 5:14:40 -0600, timothy r krell wrote: > I've been digging around on google (geocrawler as well), and I've found > several dozen reports of T21-series Thinkpads not being able to boot > after having FreeBSD installed on them. I'm looking to install FreeBSD > on my new Thinkpad T22 this weekend, but I've not been able to dig up > any information regarding the T22 and FreeBSD compatibility. Has anyone > successfully installed FreeBSD 4.3 (or any version, for that matter) on > their T22, or is this a hopeless cause? I'm hoping IBM fixed the > stupidity of doing weird things with paritition type 165 in the BIOS, > but I'd like to confirm before torching my working Linux-2.4.5 setup and > installing 4.3. Any advice/help would be appreciated. On Saturday, 14 July 2001 at 16:03:00 -0400, Gabriel Rocha wrote: > > IBM fixed the issue with the Thinkpads not being able to boot in the > latest BIOS revision. If if doesnt boot, just update the BIOS, or update > the BIOS before installing. --gabe I believe the bug was fixed before the T22 came out. I have one, and it works fine. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Jul 14 23:38: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (sp28fe.nerdc.ufl.edu [128.227.128.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFCA37B401 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bobj@ufl.edu) Received: from ufl.edu (neti.eng.ufl.edu [128.227.235.15]) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.11.2/8.11.3/2.2.1) with ESMTP id f6F6bmX77480; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:37:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3B513A35.F0F32B9B@ufl.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:37:41 -0400 From: Bob Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Lovett Cc: mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk clicking... (Was: Re: Dell Inspiron 8000 and suspend-to-disk) References: <20010703101035.A1027@bsdguru.com> <3B433888.7020304@quack.kfu.com> <3B4353BE.927522EF@ufl.edu> <20010704210528.A691@bsdguru.com> <20010707045013.A1368@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <20010714125947.A7983@bsdguru.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ben Lovett wrote: > > I believe I saw Greg Lehey (grog@FreeBSD.ORG) write this: > > On Wednesday, 4 July 2001 at 21:05:28 -0700, Ben Lovett wrote: > > > I believe I saw Bob Johnson (bobj@ufl.edu) write this: > > >> Nick Sayer wrote: > > >>> Ben Lovett wrote: > > >> [...] > > > I believe this is the reason behind some strange noises that I hear > > > comming from my disk every once in a while. It sounds like one of > > > the heads is moving rather abruptly, or something like that. > > > > Well, the heads all move together. > ok.. > > > > > Has anyone else noticed similar behaviour on Dell i8k's built as of > > > late? > > > > A lot of us noticed "clunk" noises from the disks of 7500s built > > between 12 and 18 months ago. I had mine replaced as a result, and > > the new disk has never made any noise. Mike Smith didn't have his > > replaced, and the disk still goes "clunk" after 18 months, but he > > doesn't have any other problems with it. > My 7500 makes what you might call "clicks" or "clunks" when it does what sound to me like long seeks. I've heard it from so many drives that I consider it normal. My mother-in-law's laptop had a horribly noisy and slow drive that she thought was failing -- it was merely a highly fragmented Windows swap file. Cleaned that up and the system got quiet and fast again (isn't that neat? Windows is actually designed to get slower with use!). When doing most disk-intensive operations on this 7500 (e.g. deleting /usr/obj) it is very quiet, but during normal operation it clicks and clunks once in a while. I've always assumed that was a long seek related to flushing a buffer or something. Long seeks tend to be (in my experience) relatively noisy on many drives. > Well.. I guess that I am observing this behavior on my replacement disk, > I'll live with it. Unless I hear different. > > On a sort of side note.. I was discussing this issue with my boss > yesterday, and he was explaining to me that when hard drives are > manufactured, because of the nature of the mass-production, the platters > will never turn out without flaws, and thus will have some bad sectors. > So, when the drives go through their low-level formatting at the > factory, those sectors will be marked as "bad" on some part of the > drive. He was telling me that the reason that the drive may be clicking > is that the heads are comming across one of these sectors that is marked > bad, when it thought there was data there (or something to that effect), > and then resyncing itself. Does that make sense? I believe that is > what he was saying. A sector mapped bad shouldn't be accessed in the first place, but it sort of makes sense. My understanding is that when a SCSI drive (and probably recent IDE drives) detects errors in a sector, it maps out that sector and replaces it with one from a spare sector pool at the end of the disk. Thus, when that sector is accessed, there is a seek to the end of the disk which you might hear. I assume that sectors mapped bad at the factory are replaced by the next available sector, so there would be no seek involved. Thus, only newly bad sectors would cause noise. > > Thanks again.. > > -ben > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Ben Lovett printf("Hello world!); > blovett@bsdguru.com return 0; > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... > ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message