From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Aug 16 5:27:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8E237B406; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:27:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 06F784B65D; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:33:31 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.4-RC1 is now available Message-ID: <20010816053331.I8937@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC1/ ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ 4.4rc1-install.iso (ftp.freebsd.org and the mirrors should pick up the release within the next 12 hours or so). Please help test this release candidate on as many different configurations as possible. In particular, there were recent changes to sysinstall, BIND, the aic7xxx driver, and pccard that we would like to thoroughly stress-test. An RC2 image will be available next week with working GNOME packages (omitted in this RC) and any bugfixes necessitated by this release. Thanks, - Murray --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7e72btNcQog5FH30RAm8SAKCBgxhRAEgsq6bm6Bz47+sxzfV5QwCgjeaB HxSdFa+mYj0NkXdO/zIYNJc= =8WZS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Aug 16 8:27:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853CF37B409; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 08:27:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7GFR7L83206; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:27:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010816111947.03e6ea40@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:21:24 -0400 To: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Here is an unofficial mirror (was Re: 4.4-RC1 is now available) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010816053331.I8937@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The md5 checks out and I have allocated 5Mb of outbound traffic during the day and 10 during the night (GMT-400). http://coal2.sentex.ca/4.4rc1-install.iso At 05:33 AM 8/16/01 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: >ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC1/ >ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > 4.4rc1-install.iso > >(ftp.freebsd.org and the mirrors should pick up the release within the > next 12 hours or so). > > Please help test this release candidate on as many different >configurations as possible. In particular, there were recent changes >to sysinstall, BIND, the aic7xxx driver, and pccard that we would like >to thoroughly stress-test. An RC2 image will be available next week >with working GNOME packages (omitted in this RC) and any bugfixes >necessitated by this release. > > Thanks, > > - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Aug 16 16:36:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C58637B406 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:36:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7GNa7a01239 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:36:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200108162336.f7GNa7a01239@spoon.beta.com> To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: 4.4 RC - sysinstall looks funny... Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:36:07 -0400 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I realize that there was work done to sysinstall to standardize on usage of things like enter, tab, and space. However, the resulting work looks less polished that what was had previously. In particular, the disk partitioning menus, when using a custom install, aren't always showing the 'X' in the appropriate space. In addition, menu options that don't have check boxes seem to have them 'ghosted', and the way the refreshes are being done, you can really see them. It looks, well, poor :\ I also just had an incident when leaving the custom distributions install screen (ie - bin, compat, etc...) that it jumped back one level too far. Rather than going to the custom install menu (with options, partitions, etc), it went all the way back to the type of install I wanted to do. I had to select "custom" again, which brought me to the distribution menu again. It cycled this way 3-4 times before it finally let me back to the middle layer. I'll have to go back and play with it some more to make sure I'm not smoking crack, but I think there may be some things we want to improve before we go -RELEASE with 4.4 -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Aug 16 18: 5:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 885) id 4FD5F37B410; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:05:57 -0700 From: Eric Melville To: Brian McGovern Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4 RC - sysinstall looks funny... Message-ID: <20010816180557.A58189@FreeBSD.org> References: <200108162336.f7GNa7a01239@spoon.beta.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200108162336.f7GNa7a01239@spoon.beta.com>; from mcgovern@beta.com on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 07:36:07PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I realize that there was work done to sysinstall to standardize on usage > of things like enter, tab, and space. However, the resulting work looks > less polished that what was had previously. > > In particular, the disk partitioning menus, when using a custom install, > aren't always showing the 'X' in the appropriate space. In addition, menu > options that don't have check boxes seem to have them 'ghosted', and the > way the refreshes are being done, you can really see them. It looks, well, > poor :\ Which disk partitioning menus are we talking about here? The only one that I know of that even has a checklist is the one that chooses a disk. I havn't got any machines with multiple disks here, I'll take a look once I get home today. The items that you say are "ghosted" are not really what you think - it's necessary to place the cursor there, to indicate that item is selected, and not the buttons below. Unfortunately, sysinstall makes the cursor and the background the same color, which makes it look at bit odd. It may look better if some colors are changed. As for the refresh, what specifically looks bad? Turning an option on and off looks a bit strange, but that's just what ncurses does when you change a character that's under the cursor. If you're talking about the whole screen, I've added a couple refresh calls in a few places, but they are really necessary due to the additional display changes. I'll see if I can do away with some of them, but I don't think I can. > I also just had an incident when leaving the custom distributions install > screen (ie - bin, compat, etc...) that it jumped back one level too far. Rather > than going to the custom install menu (with options, partitions, etc), it > went all the way back to the type of install I wanted to do. > > I had to select "custom" again, which brought me to the distribution menu > again. It cycled this way 3-4 times before it finally let me back to the > middle layer. Unfortunately this is something that I've seen both before and after the libdialog changes. > I'll have to go back and play with it some more to make sure I'm not smoking > crack, but I think there may be some things we want to improve before we > go -RELEASE with 4.4 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Aug 16 21: 2:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.viasoft.com.cn (unknown [61.153.1.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB6C37B401; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsddiy@163.net) Received: from davidwnt ([192.168.1.98]) by mail.viasoft.com.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08004; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:05:37 +0800 Message-ID: <003601c126d1$1bf92e20$6201a8c0@davidwnt> From: "David Xu" To: "Murray Stokely" , Cc: References: <20010816053331.I8937@windriver.com> Subject: Re: 4.4-RC1 is now available Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:00:09 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I saw cvs log, and MFC is still being made, are these changes will be = in release 4.4? David Xu ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Murray Stokely" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: 4.4-RC1 is now available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Aug 16 21:12:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-193.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA53337B407; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2E26F66F68; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:12:11 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: David Xu Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4-RC1 is now available Message-ID: <20010816211211.A82603@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010816053331.I8937@windriver.com> <003601c126d1$1bf92e20$6201a8c0@davidwnt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J/dobhs11T7y2rNN" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003601c126d1$1bf92e20$6201a8c0@davidwnt>; from bsddiy@163.net on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:00:09PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:00:09PM +0800, David Xu wrote: > Hi >=20 > I saw cvs log, and MFC is still being made, are these changes will > be in release 4.4? Yes, of course. Kris --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7fJmbWry0BWjoQKURAq6wAKCmbPL1xPRQi21rGEhPAybSBOhImQCbBFaC MXfH0sJvu/3pJvxx24ViA7A= =yZKV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Aug 17 0:37:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (mx2.Informatik.Uni-Tuebingen.De [134.2.12.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B0A37B40A; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:37:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de) Received: from sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (sams [134.2.12.50]) by mx2.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D4D1060; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:37:16 +0200 (MST) Received: (from sperber@localhost) by sams.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f7H7bBh39597; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:37:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sperber) To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4-RC1 is now available References: <20010816053331.I8937@windriver.com> From: sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]) Date: 17 Aug 2001 09:37:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20010816053331.I8937@windriver.com> (Murray Stokely's message of "Thu, 16 Aug 2001 05:33:31 -0700") Message-ID: Lines: 8 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090003 (Oort Gnus v0.03) XEmacs/21.5 (anise) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm doing a net install. Through some network goof, it's stuck during DNS lookup. I press C-c, it says "User generated interrupt" on VT2. But it doesn't interrupt anything. Bug? -- Cheers =8-} Mike Friede, Völkerverständigung und überhaupt blabla To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Aug 17 2:54:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D4D37B40A for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 2A8C54B65D; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:00:49 -0700 From: murray@stokely.org To: "Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]" Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.4-RC1 is now available Message-ID: <20010817030049.A14209@windriver.com> References: <20010816053331.I8937@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sperber@informatik.uni-tuebingen.de on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:37:11AM +0200 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:37:11AM +0200, Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor] wrote: > I'm doing a net install. Through some network goof, it's stuck during > DNS lookup. I press C-c, it says "User generated interrupt" on VT2. > But it doesn't interrupt anything. Bug? Please submit a PR about this. It doesn't sound like anything that has changed recently but it does sound like something we'd like to fix. Thanks. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Aug 17 7:52:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from funnel.cisco.com (funnel.cisco.com [161.44.131.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4C537B408 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (root@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com [161.44.149.69]) by funnel.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA16079 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (bmcgover@localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7HEnD659702 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:49:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com) Message-Id: <200108171449.f7HEnD659702@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> To: Freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Detailed comments on sysinstall... Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:49:13 -0400 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok. Now that I have time to go back and get precise details, here we go.... I'm doing a custom install. I _always_ do a custom install for everything. I like the power of knowing whats going on my system :) I get down to the 'Choose Distributions menu'. Here is whats bugging me :) - - On the left side of the screen, on the 'highlighted' line, the 2nd character is never highlighted in blue. It looks silly, particularly on the lines that do not have an checkbox to put an 'X' in. You have two blue character spots just 'floating' out there. My suggestion would be to either fill this spot in, or perhaps even just highlight the entire line. I don't know how much more or less work this would be, but it would be my first choice. My second suggestion would be to only highlight the lefthand 'checkbox' space. While a little less noticable, I suspect a user would be able to still keep track of the 'cursor', and, it cuts way down on the amount that has to get maintained/redrawn when on the menu. I have not checked how this would affect the appearance on the other menus, but it might work well. - - I made reference to the refreshes looking cruddy last night. I expect its my video card/monitor at home. Here at work, it looks fine. What I was seeing at home was the actual refresh taking place, so it looked like I was trying to run sysinstall at, say, about 9600 baud during a major screen update. It looked really chunky. I'll have to look at this more when I get home. - - There is still the problem of trying to get off the Distribution screen and back to the custom install menu, but this does not appear to be easily reproduced. Sometimes it 'does the right thing', others, it jumps back to the main menu. It smells like maybe a function call where one of the local variables isn't being initialized, and its using its 'random' value to determine if it should exit back to the main menu, so there is a one in N occurance of the bug. I wouldn't stake my reputation on this guess, but it may be something to look for. Anyhow, thats it for now. I always pick on sysinstall, particularly on RC1 and RC2s, so don't take it personally. Having done QA for Cisco now for almost 5 years (and for other places before this), I've been trained to think that cosmetics are important as functionality ;) (See "The User Experience"). Over the next day or two, I'll start banging on the bits that count. -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message