From owner-freebsd-small Sun Apr 8 9:45:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from arthur.intraceptives.com.au (arthur.intraceptives.com.au [203.22.72.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D569B37B422 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwlists@intraceptives.com.au) Received: (qmail 8466 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2001 16:45:34 -0000 Received: from wks-pc1.intraceptives.com.au (HELO waddy.intraceptives.com.au) (203.22.72.32) by arthur.intraceptives.com.au with SMTP; 8 Apr 2001 16:45:34 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010409024108.0593a720@arthur.intraceptives.com.au> X-Sender: wwlists@arthur.intraceptives.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 02:45:31 +1000 To: "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" From: Warren Welch Subject: PicoBSD 'custom' build... In-Reply-To: <710709BB8B02D311942E006067441810544294@MELEXC01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, Just wondering what happened to the 'custom' build under PicoBSD. I'm currently running 4.3-RC2, and I can't get it to build. I suspect that a number of things have changed with regards to how crunchgen works. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks, Warren wwelch@intraceptives.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 9 10:18:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ALagny-101-1-2-210.abo.wanadoo.fr (ALagny-101-1-2-210.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.253.244.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 384FC37B43E for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ol@ocreat.com) Message-ID: <001001c0c10d$87a13ac0$9e96fea9@wanadoo.fr> Reply-To: "ocreat.com" From: "ocreat.com" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Bonjour ! Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:55:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0C11E.4B00D7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0C11E.4B00D7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Si vous souhaitez vous former sur Coreldraw ou Photopaint, (logiciels de = dessin, illustration et montage photo) Sachez qu'un site leur est d=E9di=E9 : http://www.ocreat.com Les formations, dispens=E9es dans toute la France, Belgique & Suisse, = sont personnalis=E9es par professions exerc=E9es...=20 N'h=E9sitez pas =E0 donner vos impressions =E0 son concepteur Olivier = Fournier ol@ocreat.com Merci d'avance :-) ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0C11E.4B00D7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0C11E.4B00D7E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 9 17:45:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from edna.bus.net (edna.bus.net [207.41.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255EA37B423 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Received: from bus.net (3.ct1.dyn.connix.net [209.66.146.3]) by edna.bus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12159 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:45:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Message-ID: <3AD2573E.156C2F39@bus.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:43:42 -0400 From: "Michael S. O'Donnell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WindRiver takeover. References: <20010405104816.D746@tao.org.uk> <20010406201050.F798@tao.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG truth be told, as an embedded developer, i am happy to see some bsd based embedded os development, even if it isn't free. if it remains open source, it could be great. fact is, linux will never get there as an embedded os because it is driven by hobbyists who go feature crazy since they could care less whether they use a proc that costs $15 or $30 (or $90 for that matter), and on a one-off, 32k, 64k, 8M, who cares? qunix is too expensive. embedded systems are really not the goal of pico, it is completely oriented towards i-appliances (i would be surprised if the main developers would disagree). the fact of the matter is, 'embedded systems' is as about a narrow a term as insect. as horrible as it sounds, a corporate approach will result in a survey of the market's needs, and a universal system design. although i do not have the skills to contribute, i have watched the development of many attempts at free embedded OSs. they quickly go out of control, then the key contributors reign it in to something highly focused, which invariably becomes either an os only good for routers, or gets shelved when real-time concerns conflict with the pc-based os it originates from. i believe we should welcome wind river's best efforts. if they remain open source, and allow us to download and only pay if we sell a product containing their code, this could be a great resource. or, maybe it will completely suck. > If they want to steer FereBSD into the ground for small systems, they > will not succeed. I'll make sure of that. the freebsd license is secure. there is no fear the big, bad corporation will take it away. let's keep an open mind and maybe we can all enjoy some compatibility between the so carefully crafted freebsd and whatever wind river is trying to create. Michael O'Donnell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 10 12:16:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.stv.ee (www.stv.ee [212.7.5.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D395D37B423 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@stv.ee) Received: from stv.ee (werewolf.stv.ee [212.7.5.250]) by www.stv.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA87110 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:18:10 GMT Message-ID: <3AD34E42.3DCD1D19@stv.ee> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:17:38 +0300 From: Dmitry Baranov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: DHCPD ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, Does anybody have successfull expeerience in porting DHCP server on Pico ? If yes, please send me makefile etc... -- WBR ------------------------------------------------------------- Dmitry Baranov Phone: +(372) 6 056 502 STV Internet Fax: +(372) 6 056 424 Koorti 18 Mobile: +(372) 5 012 825 Tallinn, Estonia ------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 11 3: 0:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.jbu.com.cn (mail.jbu.com.cn [162.105.202.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC8137B424 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 03:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xiandy@jbu.com.cn) Received: from jbfire (watchdog.jbu.com.cn [162.105.202.150]) by mail.jbu.com.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13411 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:00:00 +0800 From: =?gb2312?B?z8y1wrrq?= To: Subject: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:05:56 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG aGVscA== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 11 7:47:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from black.purplecat.net (ns1.purplecat.net [209.16.228.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4051037B43E for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@black.purplecat.net) Received: from localhost (peter@localhost) by black.purplecat.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02417 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from peter@black.purplecat.net) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:49:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Brezny To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: dns for picobsd? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there an implementation of dns that runs on picobsd? I've looked around in the various crunch.conf files for the preoconfigured build options by running /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd but I didn't find anything that looked like it had dns built into it. So i looked at the crunch.conf inside the custom/crunch2/ directory, but still didn't find a reference to dns. TIA pb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 11 8:34:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34F337B423 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:34:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA60990; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:33:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200104111533.RAA60990@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: dns for picobsd? In-Reply-To: from Peter Brezny at "Apr 11, 2001 10:49:55 am" To: Peter Brezny Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:33:00 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Is there an implementation of dns that runs on picobsd? you want a server or a cache or what ? In any case the answer is that none of the standard configs have anything like that, you have to look at the ports and see if some of them suits your needs, and then include it in the picobsd configuration (see e.g. how i did with ssh) cherers luigi > I've looked around in the various crunch.conf files for the preoconfigured > build options by running > > /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd > > but I didn't find anything that looked like it had dns built into it. > > So i looked at the crunch.conf inside the custom/crunch2/ directory, but > still didn't find a reference to dns. > > TIA > > pb > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 11 15: 5:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from web12708.mail.yahoo.com (web12708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2B9C37B422 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjoshue@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010411220540.37924.qmail@web12708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.242.86.200] by web12708.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:05:40 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Captain Joshue Subject: please put me on your email list To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG claybeer33@hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 11 17:59:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from FreeBSD.dfw.dynip.com (ppp01-580.algx.iadfw.net [207.136.25.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD01837B423 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frank@dfw.dynip.com) Received: from frank.dfw.com ([192.168.100.20]) by FreeBSD.dfw.dynip.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f3C0wkm02122 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:58:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from frank@dfw.dynip.com) Message-ID: <000701c0c2eb$b7323d40$1464a8c0@dfw.com> Reply-To: "Frank Griffith" From: "Frank Griffith" To: Subject: Newbie questions Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:57:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been using FreeBSD almost 4 years now and while I know alot, I certainly don't know it all. For example I just started to hear about floppy based setups last year and only this morning figured out what PicoBSD was all about. So I tried downloading the files and have yet to work out the details, but I feel I'll get there. I do have the following questions I was hoping someone can answer quickly before I proceed: 1. I see there are 3 basic modules, ppp, network and router. I have all three files but was not sure if I will be able to run all three modules from a single floppy. That is I want to boot from floppy and run a NAT gateway for a small LAN to the Internet. Is this possible? 2. Will this setup work with a modem set for COM3, IRQ5 or do I have to compile a special kernel like I did for 4.2-REL to use this same modem? 3. After several hours of researching the LinuxRouter stuff and PicoBSD I found several dead links and the usual intructions that require more than my level of experience. Is there a comprehensive site for newbies and intermediates on PicoBSD? For example, one of the PicoBSD docs instructs to get the file picobsd.tgz but try as I may at all the known FTP site, I could not find this file available. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 12 6:23:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx3out.umbc.edu (mx3out.umbc.edu [130.85.253.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC17037B42C for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 06:23:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmiddl1@gl.umbc.edu) Received: from linux1.gl.umbc.edu (IDENT:gmiddl1@linux1.gl.umbc.edu [130.85.60.38]) by mx3out.umbc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25395 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "G. Jason Middleton" To: Subject: building a new kernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Where can i get the kernel src so that i can rebuild the kernle with support for my SMC ISA eithernet card? Or am I going about this the wrong way? Please advise. Regards, G. Jason Middleton _______________________________________________________________________________ Announcement: The revolution will not be televised. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Apr 13 14:12:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF1137B506 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f3DLDXA30447 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:13:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3AD76BAA.25636489@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:12:10 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: The ultimate board! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi people, you remember I had trouble with the DiskOnChip media/driver. I now have a board that uses compact flash and it works beautifully. I want you all to know about this board, because it is really inexpensive in every respect. Is a i468/132 MHz with 32 MB DRAM on board. It runs on a cheap 12V / 9W wallmount adapter, has no fans, doesn't even need a heat sink. It comes with 3 x 100 BT ethernet ports ideal for router/firewall settop boxes. Here for you the kernel probes: Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #1: Fri Apr 13 14:01:20 EST 2001 schadow@aurora.regenstrief.org:/usr/NGI/KAME/kame/freebsd4/sys/compile/NGIGW 3 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: AMD Am5x86 Write-Back (486-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x4f4 Stepping = 4 Features=0x1 real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 28143616 (27484K bytes) pnpbios: Bad PnP BIOS data checksum Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc04b0000. Preloaded mfs_root "/fs.root" at 0xc04b009c. md0: Preloaded image 2097152 bytes at 0xc02aebec md1: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 sis0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xa0000000-0xa0000ff f irq 10 at device 18.0 on pci0 sis0: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:18 miibus0: on sis0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis1: port 0xe100-0xe1ff mem 0xa0001000-0xa0001ff f irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 sis1: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:19 miibus1: on sis1 ukphy1: on miibus1 ukphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis2: port 0xe200-0xe2ff mem 0xa0002000-0xa0002ff f irq 5 at device 20.0 on pci0 sis2: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:1a miibus2: on sis2 ukphy2: on miibus2 ukphy2: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto isa0: on motherboard ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized. Default = pass all, Logging = enabled ad0: 7MB [245/2/32] at ata0-master BIOSPIO The engineer who designed the board is "one of us". His name is Soeren Kristensen (www.soekris.com). This board can be had for about $200 including enclosure!!! The only problem with this is that it isn't available unless we all place one big order to get it manufactured. Soeren knows how to do this he just doesn't have the venture capital to do it. The board can be ready for all of us if we find a way to finance it collectively. Anyone interested? Let me and the list know. We need just a few hundred boards ordered, I believe. But Soeren can tell you more about what exactly would be needed. Go for it! -Gunther DISCLAIMER: I am in *no* way related to Soeren and I do not share any profits from his sales. I am only chearing this board because I want 30 pieces of it right now and I can't get it because he can't manufacture it. After one year of serching I know that there just isn't any better alternative in this world. -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Apr 13 23:12:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from oneplusone.ch (oneplusone.ch [194.191.122.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A06837B496 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by oneplusone.ch (8.11.3/8.11.3) with UUCP id f3E6C3o16282; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:12:03 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: from marabu.marabu.ch (marabu.marabu.ch [192.168.21.3]) by marabu.ch (8.9.3/2000102801) with ESMTP id IAA63685; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:11:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: by marabu.marabu.ch (8.7.5/20001028-ast-8.3) id IAA21508; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:11:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200104140611.IAA21508@marabu.marabu.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v124.8483.6) Content-Type: text/plain In-Reply-To: <3AD76BAA.25636489@aurora.regenstrief.org> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.0b6) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.124.8483.6) From: Adrian Steinmann Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 08:11:17 +0200 To: Gunther Schadow Subject: Re: The ultimate board! Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3AD76BAA.25636489@aurora.regenstrief.org> X-Organization: Steinmann Consulting, Apollostrasse 21, 8032 Zurich X-Phone-Numbers: Switzerland, Tel +41 1 380 30 83 Fax +41 1 380 30 85 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gunther Schadow recently let us all know about a really attractive small board: inexpensive in every respect. Is a i468/132 MHz with 32 MB DRAM on board. It runs on a cheap 12V / 9W wallmount adapter, has no fans, doesn't even need a heat sink. It comes with 3 x 100 BT ethernet ports ... The engineer who designed the board is "one of us". His name is Soeren Kristensen (www.soekris.com). This board can be had for about $200 including enclosure!!! I'm interested. I'd be even more interested in a Pentium-grade small board with three 100Mbps NICs and more RAM than just 32MB. I'm using the www.advantech.com/products/PCM-5823.asp with 64MB RAM and 32MB Flash but - as you all know - they're expensive. ___________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Adrian Steinmann Webgroup Consulting AG Apollostrasse 21 8032 Zurich Tel +41 1 380 30 80 Fax +41 1 380 30 85 Mailto:ast@webgroup.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 9:20:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF3C37B63C for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA91800; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:20:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:20:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon To: Gunther Schadow Cc: Subject: Re: The ultimate board! In-Reply-To: <3AD76BAA.25636489@aurora.regenstrief.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Gunther Schadow wrote: > you remember I had trouble with the DiskOnChip media/driver. I now > have a board that uses compact flash and it works beautifully. I > want you all to know about this board, because it is really > inexpensive in every respect. Is a i468/132 MHz with 32 MB DRAM on > board. It runs on a cheap 12V / 9W wallmount adapter, has no fans, > doesn't even need a heat sink. It comes with 3 x 100 BT ethernet > ports ideal for router/firewall settop boxes. Here for you the > kernel probes: [...snip...] > sis0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xa0000000-0xa0000ff Ewww... Is this a good enough Ethernet chipset? I've not had good luck with any of SiS's stuff. They seem to make, for lack of a nicer word, crap. > The only problem with this is that it isn't available unless we > all place one big order to get it manufactured. Soeren knows how > to do this he just doesn't have the venture capital to do it. The > board can be ready for all of us if we find a way to finance it > collectively. I would be interested in one if the overall hardware itself is decent enough, though I realize better hardware means more money. If someone runs it through some obstacle courses and the "junk" works without any known problems, I'm for it. I'm not in the position to buy more than one. I have friends that might be interested as well, though. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 9:43:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nwlynx.network-lynx.net (nwlynx.network-lynx.net [63.122.185.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C30537B496 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:43:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Received: from Silver-Lynx.com (doze-1.network-lynx.net [63.122.185.106]) by nwlynx.network-lynx.net (8.11.1/8.9.3/Who.Cares) with ESMTP id f3EGhcj95287; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Message-ID: <3AD87E1B.A96E0106@Silver-Lynx.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:43:07 -0600 From: Don Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gunther Schadow Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The ultimate board! References: <3AD76BAA.25636489@aurora.regenstrief.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gunther Schadow wrote: > > Hi people, > > you remember I had trouble with the DiskOnChip media/driver. I now > have a board that uses compact flash and it works beautifully. I > want you all to know about this board, because it is really > inexpensive in every respect. Is a i468/132 MHz with 32 MB DRAM > on board. It runs on a cheap 12V / 9W wallmount adapter, has no fans, > doesn't even need a heat sink. It comes with 3 x 100 BT ethernet ports > ideal for router/firewall settop boxes. Here for you the kernel probes: > > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #1: Fri Apr 13 14:01:20 EST 2001 > schadow@aurora.regenstrief.org:/usr/NGI/KAME/kame/freebsd4/sys/compile/NGIGW > 3 > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: AMD Am5x86 Write-Back (486-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x4f4 Stepping = 4 > Features=0x1 > real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) > avail memory = 28143616 (27484K bytes) > pnpbios: Bad PnP BIOS data checksum > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc04b0000. > Preloaded mfs_root "/fs.root" at 0xc04b009c. > md0: Preloaded image 2097152 bytes at 0xc02aebec > md1: Malloc disk > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pcib0: on motherboard > pci0: on pcib0 > sis0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xa0000000-0xa0000ff > f irq 10 at device 18.0 on pci0 > sis0: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:18 > miibus0: on sis0 > ukphy0: on miibus0 > ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > sis1: port 0xe100-0xe1ff mem 0xa0001000-0xa0001ff > f irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 > sis1: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:19 > miibus1: on sis1 > ukphy1: on miibus1 > ukphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > sis2: port 0xe200-0xe2ff mem 0xa0002000-0xa0002ff > f irq 5 at device 20.0 on pci0 > sis2: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:1a > miibus2: on sis2 > ukphy2: on miibus2 > ukphy2: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > isa0: on motherboard > ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A, console > IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. > IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized. Default = pass all, Logging = enabled > ad0: 7MB [245/2/32] at ata0-master BIOSPIO > > The engineer who designed the board is "one of us". His name is > Soeren Kristensen (www.soekris.com). This board can be had for > about $200 including enclosure!!! > > The only problem with this is that it isn't available unless we > all place one big order to get it manufactured. Soeren knows how > to do this he just doesn't have the venture capital to do it. > The board can be ready for all of us if we find a way to finance > it collectively. > > Anyone interested? Let me and the list know. We need just a > few hundred boards ordered, I believe. But Soeren can tell you > more about what exactly would be needed. I talked quite a bit with him. He seems quite knowledgable, and I don't doubt his board will work. I will commit to at least ten units to start, as long as we can structure this that the delivery happens no later than 60 days after the cash goes out. -- Don Wilde Don@Silver-Lynx.com Silver Lynx Embedded Microsystems Architects 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 505-891-4175 FAX 891-4185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 9:51:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F9937B440 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shansen@earthlink.net) Received: from p2 ([24.9.137.53]) by femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010414165118.KYTD1928.femail5.sdc1.sfba.home.com@p2> for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:51:18 -0700 From: "Skip Hansen" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:55:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The ultimate board! Reply-To: shansen@earthlink.net Message-ID: <3AD81E9A.6475.929B1D@localhost> In-reply-to: <3AD87E1B.A96E0106@Silver-Lynx.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My old 486dx2-66 PicoBSD firewall works just fine, but I'll take one to get rid of the fans and heat ! 60 days after the cash goes out works for me as well. Skip > > The only problem with this is that it isn't available unless we > > all place one big order to get it manufactured. Soeren knows how > > to do this he just doesn't have the venture capital to do it. > > The board can be ready for all of us if we find a way to finance > > it collectively. > > > > Anyone interested? Let me and the list know. We need just a > > few hundred boards ordered, I believe. But Soeren can tell you > > more about what exactly would be needed. > > I talked quite a bit with him. He seems quite knowledgable, and I don't > doubt his board will work. I will commit to at least ten units to start, > as long as we can structure this that the delivery happens no later than > 60 days after the cash goes out. > > -- > Don Wilde Don@Silver-Lynx.com > Silver Lynx Embedded Microsystems Architects > 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 > 505-891-4175 FAX 891-4185 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 10:46:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from a.mx.everquick.net (a.mx.everquick.net [216.89.137.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C88C37B423 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 10:46:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddy+public+spam@noc.everquick.net) Received: from localhost (eddy@localhost) by a.mx.everquick.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3EHk6i01504; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:46:06 GMT X-EverQuick-No-Abuse: Report any e-mail abuse to Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:46:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "E.B. Dreger" To: Chris Dillon Cc: Gunther Schadow , sales@soekris.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The ultimate board! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ewww... Is this a good enough Ethernet chipset? I've not had good > luck with any of SiS's stuff. They seem to make, for lack of a nicer > word, crap. I'd imagine that 2x 21143TD would cost just a teeny bit more than 3x Sis. Personally, I would be more interested in a 2x Tulip model. SiS scares me, too... > I would be interested in one if the overall hardware itself is decent > enough, though I realize better hardware means more money. If someone > runs it through some obstacle courses and the "junk" works without any ...but I'd use one if it worked. However, I still favor a couple of Tulips. > known problems, I'm for it. I'm not in the position to buy more than > one. I have friends that might be interested as well, though. I'd take one... only need one, though. However, I also have friends who might be interested. Come to think of it, I'm certain I know of a second person who could really use one at that price. I'm interested in two units, given that the SiS stuff works. I have a feeling that ISPs would be interested, too. Most internet access clients in this neck of the woods just don't get it when it comes to firewalls. ("But XYZ Computing told me that NT is secure... it asks me for passwords for everything, so it must be!") I'd love to have a resource where I can blow away price/performance of Watchguard units. :-) Eddy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. EverQuick Internet / EternalCommerce Division Phone: (316) 794-8922 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 12:44:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [213.162.131.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C32C37B446 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: from mx.webgiro.com (unknown [192.168.10.2]) by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF1E1003EE for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 83E317817; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E4D10E1E for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:44:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:44:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The ultimate board! In-Reply-To: <3AD81E9A.6475.929B1D@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Well, who's counting it then? How do I sign myself up for a couple? On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Skip Hansen wrote: > My old 486dx2-66 PicoBSD firewall works just fine, but I'll take one > to get rid of the fans and heat ! 60 days after the cash goes out > works for me as well. > > Skip > > > The only problem with this is that it isn't available unless we > > > all place one big order to get it manufactured. Soeren knows how > > > to do this he just doesn't have the venture capital to do it. > > > The board can be ready for all of us if we find a way to finance > > > it collectively. > > > > > > Anyone interested? Let me and the list know. We need just a > > > few hundred boards ordered, I believe. But Soeren can tell you > > > more about what exactly would be needed. > > > > I talked quite a bit with him. He seems quite knowledgable, and I don't > > doubt his board will work. I will commit to at least ten units to start, > > as long as we can structure this that the delivery happens no later than > > 60 days after the cash goes out. > > > > -- > > Don Wilde Don@Silver-Lynx.com > > Silver Lynx Embedded Microsystems Architects > > 2218 Southern Bl. Ste. 12 Rio Rancho, NM 87124 > > 505-891-4175 FAX 891-4185 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > Andrzej // ---------------------------------------------------------------- // Andrzej Bialecki , Chief System Architect // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ---------------------------------------------------------------- // FreeBSD developer (http://www.freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 14: 2:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (dnai-216-15-61-44.cust.dnai.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E10537B443 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Received: from soekris.com ([192.168.1.4]) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA73506; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3AD8BADA.9F521991@soekris.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 14:02:18 -0700 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Dillon Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The ultimate board! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Chris, I'm the hardware designer, so let me comments on your comments :-) Chris Dillon wrote: > > [...snip...] > > sis0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xa0000000-0xa0000ff > > Ewww... Is this a good enough Ethernet chipset? I've not had good > luck with any of SiS's stuff. They seem to make, for lack of a nicer > word, crap. > This is not a SIS chip, but a National Semiconductor chip. They have made ethernet chips for the last 20 years. I don't trust SIS either, but I belive that the DP83815 is natsemi quality. I also don't know why it's so close to the SIS chip, but natsemi probably bought the MAC core design from SIS.... The only limit on the DP83815 is the requirement for 32 bit alligned RX buffers. Otherwise it has all the good features and is cheap, $7 in 1K quantity. I have 6 prototypes out now, and nobody seems to have had any problems with the ethernet controllers. > > I would be interested in one if the overall hardware itself is decent > enough, though I realize better hardware means more money. If someone > runs it through some obstacle courses and the "junk" works without any > known problems, I'm for it. I'm not in the position to buy more than > one. I have friends that might be interested as well, though. > Regards, Soren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 20:55:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5335737B43F for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (aurora.rg.iupui.edu [134.68.31.122]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f3F3uMA05691; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:56:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3AD91B9A.581D977D@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 03:55:06 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Dillon Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The ultimate board! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Dillon wrote: > > sis0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xa0000000-0xa0000ff > > Ewww... Is this a good enough Ethernet chipset? I've not had good > luck with any of SiS's stuff. They seem to make, for lack of a nicer > word, crap. "E.B. Dreger" wrote: > I'd imagine that 2x 21143TD would cost just a teeny bit more than 3x Sis. > Personally, I would be more interested in a 2x Tulip model. SiS scares > me, too... Chris Dillon continues: > I would be interested in one if the overall hardware itself is decent > enough, though I realize better hardware means more money. If someone > runs it through some obstacle courses and the "junk" works without any > known problems, I'm for it. I'm not in the position to buy more than > one. I have friends that might be interested as well, though. Could you tell me what's wrong with the National Semiconductor DP83815 ethernet chips? I guess for a low cost board, I am happy not to have been given realteks. The Flytech NetPC NC-2 that I use as an interim comes with realtek. What's the problem with the sis driver? So far it worked all nicely for me. These boards come with net-booting by default. It was a breeze to set up -- my first netbooting experience, and I hadn't had that much fun for a while (it's wonderful not having to worry squeezing my bootstrapping package onto a floppy to get a single board with flash up and running, not to mention again how easy the Compact Flash was compared with those DiskOnChip thingies seen elsewhere.) I plan to use these for IPsec encrypting videoconferencing. My testing so far shows that the board can sustain AT LEAST 2 Mb/s per each direction (blowfish-cbc with 256 bit keys.) This 2 Mb/s number may not be a true maximum because my testing involved a pretty crummy 10 Mb/s hub :-(. I understand that the 486 class CPU is sort of a bottleneck for encryption work though, but Soren wanted to build a Hi/Fn based hardware crypto board too. Will be some fiddling with drivers though ... Let me know what benchmark or other "obstacle course" you want to see tested on it. regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 21:15:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A5B37B505 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from sv.Go2France.com (ls1.meiway.com [212.73.210.33]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id E6ADF16B13 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:29:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010415060946.057f0e80@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:12:35 +0200 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: The ultimate board! In-Reply-To: <3AD91B9A.581D977D@aurora.regenstrief.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >hub :-(. I understand that the 486 class CPU is sort of a bottleneck >for encryption work though, but Soren wanted to build a Hi/Fn based >hardware crypto board too. Will be some fiddling with drivers though ... Since FreeBSD has no hardware crypto support (vs OpenBSD) and none is on the announced horizon afaik, I conclude that "fiddling with drivers" is understating the difficulty of adding hardware crypto support. Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training Austin,TX: 23,24/04; SFO,CA: 7,8/05 http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.3 "NT3" for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Apr 14 23: 9:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1964937B440 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (aurora.rg.iupui.edu [134.68.31.122]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f3F6AoA06139; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 01:10:50 -0500 Message-ID: <3AD93B1F.D46A8DA0@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:09:35 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Len Conrad Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The ultimate board! References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010415060946.057f0e80@mail.Go2France.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Len Conrad wrote: > >hub :-(. I understand that the 486 class CPU is sort of a bottleneck > >for encryption work though, but Soren wanted to build a Hi/Fn based > >hardware crypto board too. Will be some fiddling with drivers though ... > > Since FreeBSD has no hardware crypto support (vs OpenBSD) and none is > on the announced horizon afaik, I conclude that "fiddling with > drivers" is understating the difficulty of adding hardware crypto support. Well, it can't be too difficult. Since I can account the work on my dayjob hours, I am willing to help with driver writing. Unfortunately with most crypto stuff, documentation is very scarce (i.e., the Intel Pro/100 S NIC has a crypto chip, but nobody except Intel and Microsoft seems to know how to program it) ... if we can get good documentation on how to program the Hi/Fn 7951, it shouldn't be too hard ... actually I am more ready to write a driver for the hardware then to write the crypto algorithms in software :-). Since crypto algorithms are in the FreeBSD kernel already, offloading those to a chip shouldn't be that big of a deal ... just use the same API as the existing software algorithms and pipe stuff to the chip instead. With good documentation and preparation this should be a matter of a day or two to get it supported in FreeBSD (and all KAME/IPsec hosts for that matter.) Outside of the kernel, I would have a /dev node interface as a character device ... I love character devices (and I hate IOCTL's for that matter) because they can be used easily in shell scripts. Probably a triple of devices organized as a pipe. For example /dev/cri0 would be the crypto input (i) end of the pipe, and /dev/cro0 would be the crypto output (o) end of the pipe. Finally /dev/crc0 would be the crypto control (c) channel. Into this channel one would write a string that identifies the cipher followed by the key and initialization vector and other parameters. Whenever the crypto control channel is written, the crypto buffer is reset and ready to accept data. Would be fun to do. regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message