From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Apr 14 18:11:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D9F37B404 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52413F28 for ; Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:11:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ottawa Unix User Group - talk on FreeBSD Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20020415011249.A52413F28@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ottawa Unix Users Group next meeting, Tuesday May 14th - a talk on FreeBSD http://www.ocuug.on.ca/ [yes, it's me giving the talk] -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 15 11:23:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe74.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C1F37B405 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:23:26 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.230.78.47] Reply-To: "Seth Hieronymus" From: "Seth Hieronymus" To: Subject: FreeBSD mention in a Gentoo Linux review Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:24:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2002 18:23:26.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[A28C9520:01C1E4AA] Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If anyone is interested, In this OSNews.com review of Gentoo Linux 1.0, the author mentions that despite Gentoo Linux being the fastest Linux, FreeBSD 4.5 is faster (not any kind of scientific benchmark): http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=937 Seth Hieronymus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 15 11:39: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCF237B405 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA40D8; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:38:48 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:35:46 -0700 Received: from acuson.com (dhcp-46-120.acuson.com [157.226.46.120]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GKG9LT85; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:36:23 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Seth Hieronymus Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3CBB1E2D.5060908@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:38:37 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in a Gentoo Linux review References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Seth Hieronymus wrote: > If anyone is interested, > > In this OSNews.com review of Gentoo Linux 1.0, the author mentions that > despite Gentoo Linux being the fastest Linux, FreeBSD 4.5 is faster (not any > kind of scientific benchmark): How strange... What makes Gentoo any faster than other distros? I realize that you can set the equivalent of a make.conf to build for your particular CPU, but is it any faster than a stripped down linux build from scratch? I suspect hyperbole. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 15 11:45:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu [128.147.18.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97AD437B404 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) id <2ZB2W184>; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:45:05 -0400 Message-ID: <46AEB8C1B628D511969200508B6FE42A088D8AF4@1upmc-msx6.isdip.upmc.edu> From: "Person, Roderick" To: 'Johnson David' , Seth Hieronymus Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: FreeBSD mention in a Gentoo Linux review Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:45:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1E4AD.A73618A0" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E4AD.A73618A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > -----Original Message----- > From: Johnson David [mailto:djohnson@acuson.com] > Sent: April 15, 2002 2:39 PM > To: Seth Hieronymus > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in a Gentoo Linux review > > > Seth Hieronymus wrote: > > > If anyone is interested, > > > > In this OSNews.com review of Gentoo Linux 1.0, the author > mentions that > > despite Gentoo Linux being the fastest Linux, FreeBSD 4.5 > is faster (not any > > kind of scientific benchmark): > > How strange... What makes Gentoo any faster than other distros? I > realize that you can set the equivalent of a make.conf to > build for your > particular CPU, but is it any faster than a stripped down linux build > from scratch? I suspect hyperbole. > I would assume that they mean major distro's such as Red Hat, Mandrake and SUSE. Once you start stripping those down they don't tend to work. I have tried Gentoo and it is fast. But I still think the fastest without doubt, to me is Debian. And once you start comparing the speed of the stripped down versions you can tell a difference in speed, but that leads back to your question. Hmmm, don't know, but FreeBSD is faster so that's good :) Roderick P. Person Programmer II personrp@ccbh.com Yes, the road to install hell is paved with MDAC... - Mark Jerde ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E4AD.A73618A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: FreeBSD mention in a Gentoo Linux review

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnson David [mailto:djohnson@acuson.com]
> Sent: April 15, 2002 2:39 PM
> To: Seth Hieronymus
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in a Gentoo Linux = review
>
>
> Seth Hieronymus wrote:
>
> > If anyone is interested,
> >
> > In this OSNews.com review of Gentoo Linux = 1.0, the author
> mentions that
> > despite Gentoo Linux being the fastest = Linux, FreeBSD 4.5
> is faster (not any
> > kind of scientific benchmark):
>
> How strange... What makes Gentoo any faster = than other distros? I
> realize that you can set the equivalent of a = make.conf to
> build for your
> particular CPU, but is it any faster than a = stripped down linux build
> from scratch? I suspect hyperbole.
>

I would assume that they mean major distro's such as = Red Hat, Mandrake and SUSE.
Once you start stripping those down they don't tend = to work. I have tried Gentoo and it is fast. But I still think the = fastest without doubt, to me is Debian. And once you start comparing = the speed of the stripped down versions you can tell a difference in = speed, but that leads back to your question. Hmmm, don't know, but = FreeBSD is faster so that's good :)


Roderick P. Person
Programmer II
personrp@ccbh.com

Yes, the road to install hell is paved with MDAC... = <g>
- Mark Jerde

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1E4AD.A73618A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 15 16:35: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717F137B405 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0600.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.90] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16xFzz-0004JU-00; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:35:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3CBB638D.1F03820F@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:34:37 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David Cc: Seth Hieronymus , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in a Gentoo Linux review References: <3CBB1E2D.5060908@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Johnson David wrote: > Seth Hieronymus wrote: > > If anyone is interested, > > > > In this OSNews.com review of Gentoo Linux 1.0, the author mentions that > > despite Gentoo Linux being the fastest Linux, FreeBSD 4.5 is faster (not any > > kind of scientific benchmark): > > How strange... What makes Gentoo any faster than other distros? I > realize that you can set the equivalent of a make.conf to build for your > particular CPU, but is it any faster than a stripped down linux build > from scratch? I suspect hyperbole. Read the article: o Load time o Time to shut down -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 15 17: 2: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe112.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.33.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE84337B405 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:02:01 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.230.78.47] Reply-To: "Seth Hieronymus" From: "Seth Hieronymus" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: References: <3CBB1E2D.5060908@acuson.com> <3CBB638D.1F03820F@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD mention in a Gentoo Linux review Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:02:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2002 00:02:01.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF3B6D90:01C1E4D9] Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From: "Terry Lambert" > Johnson David wrote: > > Seth Hieronymus wrote: > > > If anyone is interested, > > > > > > In this OSNews.com review of Gentoo Linux 1.0, the author mentions that > > > despite Gentoo Linux being the fastest Linux, FreeBSD 4.5 is faster (not any > > > kind of scientific benchmark): > > > > How strange... What makes Gentoo any faster than other distros? I > > realize that you can set the equivalent of a make.conf to build for your > > particular CPU, but is it any faster than a stripped down linux build > > from scratch? I suspect hyperbole. > > Read the article: > > o Load time > o Time to shut down > > -- Terry > I wasn't caring about Linux to Linux. My only point, anecdotally at least, FBSD is slightly faster. To quote the article: "FreeBSD 4.5 has proved for me to be a bit faster than Gentoo in general usage, plus on loading and shutdown times." So yes, with the addition of general usage. Seth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 16 15:48:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2AC37B405 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16xbkF-0002Si-00; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:48:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There will be a presentation covering BSD at LinuxFest 2002 on Saturday, April 22 in Bellingham, Washington. http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/04/12/1742220 http://blug.org/linuxfest2002/index.html The BSD tutorial will share some of the highlights and interesting features of the BSDs and cover some of the difference from Linux. A bunch of BSD CDs will be available to be handed out. (Are there any Puget Sound area, BSD-related mailing lists?) Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 16 17:19:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C1137B435 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16xdAG-0002XQ-00; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:19:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There will be a presentation covering BSD at LinuxFest 2002 on > Saturday, April 22 in Bellingham, Washington. Sorry: That is April 20. > http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/04/12/1742220 > > http://blug.org/linuxfest2002/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Apr 17 6:17:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from home.tricknology.org (213-187-162-231.dd.nextgentel.com [213.187.162.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DD837B400 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 06:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by home.tricknology.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7FD7C3F5B; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:17:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:17:14 +0200 From: Oddbjorn Steffensen To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 Message-ID: <20020417131714.GA47446@tricknology.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 03:48:15PM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > There will be a presentation covering BSD at LinuxFest 2002 on > Saturday, April 22 in Bellingham, Washington. [..] > The BSD tutorial will share some of the highlights and interesting > features of the BSDs and cover some of the difference from Linux. I'm going to do a similar presentation at a local LUG next week, and while preparing for this, I looked around for 'Introducing FreeBSD'-presentations. While there are quite a few presentations available, I think it would be useful if a basic presentation framework were available via the FreeBSD doc project. Such a framework would largely be a synopsis of the existing documentation, but it would lessen the effort needed to promote FreeBSD at venues like LUGs. Opinions? > Jeremy C. Reed > http://www.reedmedia.net/ -oddbjorn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Apr 17 8:36:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.getnet.net (mail.getnet.net [63.137.32.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF4E137B416 for ; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 589 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2002 15:36:25 -0000 Received: from 216-19-216-10.getnet.net (HELO sunny.localdomain) (216.19.216.10) by 0 with SMTP; 17 Apr 2002 15:36:25 -0000 Received: (from rooot@localhost) by sunny.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3HFa0w38024 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:36:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from swive@getnet.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sunny.localdomain: rooot set sender to swive@getnet.com using -f Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 08:35:59 -0700 From: Eric To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: phoenix Message-ID: <20020417083559.C36544@sunny.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Records at freebsd's website and elsewhere indicate there was formerly a freebsd user group in the phoenix area. However, when attempting to visit their supposed url, no web site is up. Does anyone know if the Phoenix FBSD user's group still exists, or if not why it stopped and when? Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Apr 19 13:11:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865F037B416 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3JKBJI31404; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:11:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:11:19 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Oddbjorn Steffensen Cc: "Jeremy C. Reed" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 Message-ID: <20020419161119.A31374@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020417131714.GA47446@tricknology.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020417131714.GA47446@tricknology.org>; from oddbjorn@tricknology.org on Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 03:17:14PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That would be an excellent idea. If you come up with one, please do use send-pr and submit it. :-) On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 03:17:14PM +0200, Oddbjorn Steffensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 03:48:15PM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > There will be a presentation covering BSD at LinuxFest 2002 on > > Saturday, April 22 in Bellingham, Washington. > [..] > > The BSD tutorial will share some of the highlights and interesting > > features of the BSDs and cover some of the difference from Linux. > > I'm going to do a similar presentation at a local LUG next week, > and while preparing for this, I looked around for 'Introducing > FreeBSD'-presentations. > > While there are quite a few presentations available, I think it > would be useful if a basic presentation framework were available > via the FreeBSD doc project. > > Such a framework would largely be a synopsis of the existing > documentation, but it would lessen the effort needed to promote > FreeBSD at venues like LUGs. > > Opinions? > > > > Jeremy C. Reed > > http://www.reedmedia.net/ > > -oddbjorn > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.nostarch.com/abs_bsd.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Apr 19 23:31:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2495937B404 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (HELO warhawk) (wyldephyre2@202.1.200.117 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2002 06:31:21 -0000 From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "'Michael Lucas'" , "'Oddbjorn Steffensen'" Cc: "'Jeremy C. Reed'" , Subject: RE: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:30:50 +0500 Message-ID: <000201c1e834$f094c6b0$75c801ca@warhawk> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020419161119.A31374@blackhelicopters.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > That would be an excellent idea. If you come up with one, please do > use send-pr and submit it. :-) > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 03:17:14PM +0200, Oddbjorn Steffensen wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 03:48:15PM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > > There will be a presentation covering BSD at LinuxFest 2002 on > > > Saturday, April 22 in Bellingham, Washington. > > [..] > > > The BSD tutorial will share some of the highlights and interesting > > > features of the BSDs and cover some of the difference from Linux. > > > > I'm going to do a similar presentation at a local LUG next week, > > and while preparing for this, I looked around for 'Introducing > > FreeBSD'-presentations. > > > > While there are quite a few presentations available, I think it > > would be useful if a basic presentation framework were available > > via the FreeBSD doc project. > > > > Such a framework would largely be a synopsis of the existing > > documentation, but it would lessen the effort needed to promote > > FreeBSD at venues like LUGs. > > I've got something like this...I've been working on a 'crash course' for freebsd, and most of the material is summarized from the handbook. If anyone's interested, I can make it available. It's in powerpoint at the moment, but I can convert to html if needed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPMELGhY2HTS0XwU2EQIa5QCfbiDjspyTftrM0uyiQlwSEw1xvccAoI/S zMcLuPk9zA6XGvmySL/xd3El =hiuq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Apr 20 2: 9:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from home.tricknology.org (213-187-162-231.dd.nextgentel.com [213.187.162.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F9237B41C for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 02:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by home.tricknology.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 110063F60; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 11:09:38 +0200 From: Oddbjorn Steffensen To: Haikal Saadh Cc: 'Michael Lucas' , "'Jeremy C. Reed'" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 Message-ID: <20020420090938.GA23940@tricknology.org> References: <20020419161119.A31374@blackhelicopters.org> <000201c1e834$f094c6b0$75c801ca@warhawk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000201c1e834$f094c6b0$75c801ca@warhawk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 11:30:50AM +0500, Haikal Saadh wrote: > I've got something like this...I've been working on a 'crash course' for > freebsd, and most of the material is summarized from the handbook. If > anyone's interested, I can make it available. It's in powerpoint at the > moment, but I can convert to html if needed. I think it would be a good idea to use the docbook slides DTD by Norman Walsh for this, provided that the output is flexible enough. I plan to convert my slides to this format as a test, and if the document project approve, this could be put into CVS for coordinated development. I suggest that we try to coordinate the efforts -- my slides are focused on giving a broad overview, and would likely be nicely complemented by a more hands-on approach based upon the handbook. Do you have a reference to your material? -oddbjorn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Apr 20 3:31: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EE3C237B404 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 03:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown (HELO warhawk) (wyldephyre2@202.1.200.44 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2002 10:30:35 -0000 From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "'Oddbjorn Steffensen'" Cc: "'Michael Lucas'" , "'Jeremy C. Reed'" , Subject: RE: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 15:30:00 +0500 Message-ID: <000301c1e856$5c50b870$2cc801ca@warhawk> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20020420090938.GA23940@tricknology.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > -----Original Message----- > From: Oddbjorn Steffensen [mailto:oddbjorn@tricknology.org] > Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:10 PM > To: Haikal Saadh > Cc: 'Michael Lucas'; 'Jeremy C. Reed'; advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 11:30:50AM +0500, Haikal Saadh wrote: > > I've got something like this...I've been working on a 'crash course' for > > freebsd, and most of the material is summarized from the handbook. If > > anyone's interested, I can make it available. It's in powerpoint at the > > moment, but I can convert to html if needed. > > I think it would be a good idea to use the docbook slides DTD by > Norman Walsh for this, provided that the output is flexible enough. > I plan to convert my slides to this format as a test, and if the > document project approve, this could be put into CVS for coordinated > development. > Agreed. Although I know only about 1/2 an hour's worth of docbook, but if anyone volunteers to mark stuff up , it'd be great. My intention has always been to donate my material to the docproj, (if they want it) > I suggest that we try to coordinate the efforts -- my slides are > focused on giving a broad overview, and would likely be nicely > complemented by a more hands-on approach based upon the handbook. > Yeah, I've got a lecture aimed for beginners to unix, an explanation of the filesystem, as well as step by step howto's for some sysadminning tasks (adding users, cron jobs etc). I've also go stuff on squid, bind8, isc-dhcpd3, and IPFirewall. If anyone wants me to write more material, I'm willing, as long as it's within my knowledge > Do you have a reference to your material? Not just yet, unfortunately, but I can upload them to the web when I get back to work tomorrow. Cheers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBPMFDKBY2HTS0XwU2EQKwHQCeMrmx87iaJUpEMtSxL23imue25VcAnRfG gj7dqWAkyXgzscSMjhne2Lev =9Sbg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Apr 20 12: 7: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from home.tricknology.org (213-187-162-231.dd.nextgentel.com [213.187.162.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDD637B404 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by home.tricknology.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C12C83F60; Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:06:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:06:59 +0200 From: Oddbjorn Steffensen To: Haikal Saadh Cc: 'Michael Lucas' , "'Jeremy C. Reed'" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A BSD intro at Bellingham, Washington Linuxfest 2002 Message-ID: <20020420190659.GA88583@tricknology.org> References: <20020420090938.GA23940@tricknology.org> <000301c1e856$5c50b870$2cc801ca@warhawk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <000301c1e856$5c50b870$2cc801ca@warhawk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 03:30:00PM +0500, Haikal Saadh wrote: > Agreed. Although I know only about 1/2 an hour's worth of docbook, but if > anyone volunteers to mark stuff up , it'd be great. My intention has always > been to donate my material to the docproj, (if they want it) My knowledge of Docbook is mostly theoretical, but I've made a stab at an FAQ based upon the setup from the FreeBSD FAQ. While there is a certain learning curve to using Docbook, I think the slides.dtd at least deserve to be examined, as this is the option most in line with the rest of the documentation project. If there are any technical stumbling blocks, I assume there is enough Docbook knowledge within the project to over- come these. > Yeah, I've got a lecture aimed for beginners to unix, an explanation of the > filesystem, as well as step by step howto's for some sysadminning tasks > (adding users, cron jobs etc). > > I've also go stuff on squid, bind8, isc-dhcpd3, and IPFirewall. I'm already envisioning a modular presentation framework.. :-) > If anyone wants me to write more material, I'm willing, as long as it's > within my knowledge. Hopefully, the community can donate and extend the presentation(s). By basing it on a common framework, accessible via CVS, it should be rather easy to do. -oddbjørn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message