From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 30 6:44:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C94A37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (office.netstyle.com.ua [213.186.199.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4613C43E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8UDiamO043190; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:44:37 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8UDiRoo043189; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:44:27 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:44:27 +0300 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: Jamie Jones Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Message-ID: <20020930134427.GA43060@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Jamie Jones! On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:18:21PM +0100, you wrote: > > I believe you can use the license for the FreeBSD version too :). > In light of these 2 threads, I'd like to ask what the advantage of a FreeBSD > version is (from a technical, not a PR point of view.. obvious its great PR > news), and why Opera have decided to release a native FreeBSD version ? My point of view: - it runs faster (about 15-20%); - it can use native shared libs of QT, which is good becuase of ability to do clean upgrades of QT. > Anyone know, or have any ideas ? From my point of view, I feel its "cleaner" > to run something native, that can hopefully take advantage of some of the > FreeBSD features, but then, I sometimes can't escape these puritanical > thoughts whilst I'm stuck in my Ivory Tower :-) I think that becuase of this Opera release we may finally have native Flash plugin from Macromedia. -- NEVE-RIPE Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 30 16:31:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2C837B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com (mailout08.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC2E43E65 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17wA0Q-0007uO-02; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:31:14 +0200 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.228.208.48]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17wA0E-1YylPMC; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:31:02 +0200 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UMXCR50622; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:33:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@jhs.muc.de) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UMWaE55889; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:32:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200209302232.g8UMWaE55889@flip.jhs.private> To: Terry Lambert Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Nice to have In-Reply-To: Message from Terry Lambert of "Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:26:51 PDT." <3D95F46B.DCFA4261@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:32:36 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > It would be nice to have a PDF template for a CD case liner image > that was representative of FreeBSD. > > Normally, Acrobat will allow you to fill in fields in a template; > this could be used for version name information (e.g. "FreeBSD DP2", > etc.). My box & cd label print images for PCL PS BJC & GIF for 4.6 (4.6.2 Soonish) http://berklix.com/~jhs/freebsd/labels/ I dont have PDF, ( I don't know how I'd generate .pdf if I wanted to, I only ever use postscript & other groff derivatives. ) Labels include URLs relevant to my German location & company, + standard international URLs. If needed, I could extend the build macros to also generate a just-international version. Julian Stacey jhs @ berklix.com Computer Sys. Eng. & Unix Consultant, Munich Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 30 17:41:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B408837B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7144843E7B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b240.otenet.gr [212.205.244.248]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g910f5Vb024405; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:41:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g910f0uS018685; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:41:01 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g910VHA9017194; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:31:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:31:15 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Alexandr Kovalenko Cc: Jamie Jones , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Message-ID: <20021001003114.GF1535@hades.hell.gr> References: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> <20020930134427.GA43060@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020930134427.GA43060@nevermind.kiev.ua> X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ABTtc+pdwF7KHXCz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On 2002-09-30 16:44, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:18:21PM +0100, you wrote: > > > I believe you can use the license for the FreeBSD version too :). > > > > In light of these 2 threads, I'd like to ask what the advantage of > > a FreeBSD version is (from a technical, not a PR point of view.. > > obvious its great PR news), and why Opera have decided to release > > a native FreeBSD version ? > > My point of view: > - it runs faster (about 15-20%); > - it can use native shared libs of QT, which is good becuase of > ability to do clean upgrades of QT. 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Find out more at http://www.albionmedical.com/pt=truedreammaker2/ Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Click on the link below to remove yourself http://www.xlresponder.com/cgi-bin/varpro/r.cgi?id=dreammaker5&a=advocacy@freebsd.org AOL Users Remove Me To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 4 8:47:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E5D37B401; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f190.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A1943E65; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from astrodogindustries@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:47:18 -0700 Received: from 68.13.246.80 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:47:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.13.246.80] From: "Harrison Grundy" To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Cc: mwlucas@freebsd.org Subject: Public Relations Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:47:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2002 15:47:18.0285 (UTC) FILETIME=[51A983D0:01C26BBD] Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was given these 2 e-mail addresses to contact regarding Public Relations activities. If someone could let me know who to contact about a booth at a large LAN event, that'd be great. I'm working with the techs there to run FreeBSD servers for all the games, services, etc. I'm also interested in helping with PR if its needed. I do need to compliment the freebsd-questions people, very fast reply when I asked who I needed to talk to. --Harrison Grundy _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 4 9:25:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D2D37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.com (ngbcache2.ngb.army.mil [132.79.7.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6223143E81 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sandra6EAg@mail.com) Received: from 229.114.41.136 ([229.114.41.136]) by mta41.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 18:22:19 -0600 Received: from mta41.mail.yahoo.com ([213.186.75.108]) by 206.214.197.78 with SMTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 10:15:36 -0200 From: Sandra To: Subject: I'm really surprised... Message-Id: <10337773397652.09212@mail.com> In-Reply-To: <10145238787698.743692@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_JH7Rf33V355T3T5B3fjpxv5B339R3nrZNlbtljhrBp95BRNV" Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --_JH7Rf33V355T3T5B3fjpxv5B339R3nrZNlbtljhrBp95BRNV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGksDQoNCkkgaGF2ZSBhbiBpbmNyZWRpYmxlIG9mZmVyIGZvciB5b3UuIE15IGJveWZyaWVuZCB3 YXMgdW5zYXRpc2ZpZWQgd2l0aCBoaXMgcGVuaXMgc2l6ZSwgaGUgdHJpZWQgZXZlcnl0aGluZyB0 byBlbmxhcmdlIGhpcyBwZW5pcyBidXQgbm90aGluZyB3YXMgd29ya2luZy4gRmluYWxseSBoZSBm b3VuZCB0aGlzIHdlYnNpdGUuIEluIGxlc3MgdGhlbiAyIHdlZWtzIGhlIHdhcyBzZWVpbmcgbm90 aWNhYmxlIHJlc3VsdHMgb2YgMiBpbmNoZXMsIGFuZCBzYWlkIGl0IHdhcyB2ZXJ5IGVhc3ksIGFs bCBuYXR1cmFsLCBhbmQgZWZmZWN0aXZlLg0KDQpNb3JlIGluZm8gaGVyZTogaHR0cDovL3dlYm1h c3RlcnMubWFsZW1hbnVhbC5jb20vaW4vd2l0by9ZDQoNClBhdHJpY2lhDQoNCg0KLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLQ0KW0lEOiA3OTN6bjN2MURKdGI5N25EOTczcjNSUHQ5eFpSbEo3ckpKWlBCMzFKSjF0 cEZOTFZdDQoNCg== --_JH7Rf33V355T3T5B3fjpxv5B339R3nrZNlbtljhrBp95BRNV-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Oct 5 14:31:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B992A37B401 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FF243E42 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@thompson.bishopston.net) Received: from [195.92.67.23] (helo=mail18.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailm3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xwWB-0005c9-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:31:23 +0100 Received: from modem-2813.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.134.122.253] helo=tiffany.bishopston.net) by mail18.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17xwW8-0004N7-00 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 22:31:21 +0100 Received: from thompson.bishopston.net (thompson.bishopston.net [3ffe:b80:c3c:1::100]) by tiffany.bishopston.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g95LVJh00834; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:31:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@thompson.bishopston.net) Received: from thompson.bishopston.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thompson.bishopston.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g95LVHbm001237; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:31:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@thompson.bishopston.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by thompson.bishopston.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g95LVGkE001236; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:31:16 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jamie Jones To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:31:16 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: avleeuwen@piwebs.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210052231.16324.jamie@host-1012.news.landeg.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > identification now reports to web sites I visit that I'm running FreeBS= D > (instead of Linux), and that's a Good Thing. Hee hee, mine has always reported: HTTP_USER_AGENT=3DOpera/6.03 (FreeBSD 4.6.2-RELEASE i386; U) [en] , due to being able to change it in the SQUID cache I use locally! (though that doesn't work for javascript, or https connections) Though I've just read Matthew Fullers solution to the same problem, which= =20 looks much better... sigh.. I'll be trying that one shortly ! > Probably because they got all these emails asking for a native FreeBSD > version :) (yes, I'm guilty). A good sort of guilt, though! [ In another message : ] =20 > OK, I just asked - There will be a seperate license for the FreeBSD ver= sion. >The current internal builds already use this seperate license. The final= =20 Thats bad news. Assuming that they won't allow "swaps", alot of people wi= ll stay with Linux if they've paid for the license, which will skew their us= age=20 figures to FreeBSD's disadvantage. Any chance you can persuade them to offer a swap - at least initially - s= eeing=20 as we were unable to get a FreeBSD license, but still paid for the "secon= d=20 best option", and also, if they allow a swap, it will make their FreeBSD=20 usage figures more accurate. Ummm, is it true the linux plugins won't work with the FreeBSD native ver= sion=20 - even with the linuxator installed ? Cheers, Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message