From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Mar 12 8:19:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.firemountain.net (66-105-101-81.customer.algx.net [66.105.101.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB8037BD5E for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gsp.org ([207.22.68.213]) by ns1.firemountain.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2CG8hx14746 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:08:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from avatar.gsp.org ([192.168.0.11]) by gsp.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2CG62U01257 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rsk@localhost) by avatar.gsp.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2CGBHf10109 for freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:11:17 -0500 From: Rich Kulawiec To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Internet and Unix/Linux geek looking for remote work Message-ID: <20020312161117.GA10098@gsp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Qualifications: - Many years of experience with Unix and Linux systems, primarily Sun (Solaris), Red Hat Linux, Debian Linux, OpenBSD, and FreeBSD, also including HP-UX, AIX, TRU-64 Unix, Irix, and others. - Excellent familiarity with DNS, SMTP, NTP, NIS, NNTP, HTTP, FTP and the servers which support them (e.g. BIND, sendmail, procmail, ProFTPD, qpopper, Apache, etc.) - Solid programming skills in C, Perl, shell, and awk. Learning programming skills in several other languages (e.g. PHP). Experienced with software development tools (e.g. make/imake, RCS, CVS, debuggers, etc.) - Knowledge of routing, firewalls, instrusion detection, performance monitoring and tuning, backups/disaster recovery, security, proxy servers and integrity checking. Familiar with tools such as tripwire, snort, nmap, tcpdump, etc. - Web-literate; able to compose pages by hand in HTML and to write CGI-BIN programs. Familiar with virtual hosting, Apache configuration and customization. - Able to use existing tools in combination to rapidly construct prototype or production systems. Familiar with hundreds of open-source tools. - Able to rapidly learn new skills and assimilate knowledge into work. Requirements/Information: - Due to a family member's illness which requires my care, I need to work remotely. I have a small Unix/Linux network, copious reference materials, and access to multiple ISPs. - I'm flexible about compensation and terms of compensation (e.g. 1099, W-2). - Full resume on request. - I'm available immediately for full-time or part-time work. Contact: rsk@magpage.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Mar 12 8:59:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C88137B446 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 89646 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 16:59:04 -0000 Received: from snowball.mrs.org (199.234.10.123) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 16:59:04 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 199.234.10.123 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:59:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions From: Matthew Fleeger To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Operating Systems: The *BSD family of operating systems (FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Mac OS X), in most server roles, including firewalls and address translation, Windows Domain and file services via Samba, email, web, Domain Name Service and Dynamic Host Configuration. AIX, *BSD, Linux (Debian, Mandrake, Redhat), Macintosh (Classic and OS X), Solaris (7+) and Windows (NT+) in desktop roles. Connectivity: Wireless networking based on the 802.11b standard. Shared connectivity and online presence for small- to medium-sized businesses. Small- and medium-scale Ethernet networks. Please contact me at mfleeger@88consulting.com or visit my web site at http://www.88consulting.com to set up rates, times. Thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Tue Mar 12 20:13:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [205.166.121.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FDD37B404 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jobs@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.5) id g2D4DHd66407; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jobs) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:13:17 -0800 From: Find A Job To: ba-jobs@bafug.org Cc: jobs@freebsd.org Subject: [engineering@StartUpAgent.com: (software jobs) BSD + PYTHON? ] Message-ID: <20020313041317.GA66385@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: ziest@fauves.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from engineering@StartUpAgent.com ----- Date: 13 Mar 2002 01:58:11 -0000 From: engineering@StartUpAgent.com To: "craigslist.org community people" Subject: (software jobs) BSD + PYTHON? StartUpAgent, Inc. StartUpAgent is currently working with a startup company based in Silicon Valley that is looking to recruit some exceptional SOFTWARE ENGINEERS. Our client has created a truly breakthrough technology, and possesses a decidedly strong management team and vision. The company is early stage and entrepreneurial, and is backed by top-notch investors. Our client is currently looking to dramatically expand their software development team. We are particularly interested in candidates that have applicable experience with Internet networking environments and the development of email + messaging applications. The successful applicant will be involved in the specification and design of our client's software, and will be responsible for implementing application layer modules under UNIX (BSD). And because the project is being implemented using Python + C, prior experience with both languages is required. The successful applicant will have a track record of success the most likely includes the following: o 2-5 years of BSD development experience; o Experience with SMTP, DNS, LDAP, and other relevant Internet-related protocols; o Specific experience with low-level implementation of the TCP/IP stack and/or low-level disk I/O a definitive plus; o Top-notch communication skills, team player, and all of those other good things that always appear in the last bullet point... Interested in learning more? Kindly send a Word version of your resume along with a pitch letter delineating the applicability of your background + skills directly to engineering@StartUpAgent.com Qualified applicants will be contacted within 24 hours to arrange an immediate interview with our client. And if this posting describes someone that you know, by all means, TELL A FRIEND! Thank you.
Other ways to contact poster: Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster. Please, no phone calls about this job! Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests. Reposting this message elsewhere is NOT OK. this is in or around StartUpAgent Recruiting - Silicon Valley ____________________________________________________________ Copyright (c) 2002 craigslist copyright and reposting policies: http://www.craigslist.org/policies.html ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 15:23:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2527037B416 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2DEgTv30343 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:42:29 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions From: "Julian Stacey" Reply-To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Vector Systems Ltd - Munich Unix & Internet consultancy X-Web: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ http://bsd.bsn.com/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:59:04 +0100." <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:42:29 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I suggest a vote to split this into 2 lists: # inc. URLs of CV/ Resumes From Individuals # Job Descriptions From Employers If there's a concensus in favour, I envisage: - postmaster@freebsd.org will check the thread, confirm the concensus, clone the jobs@ subscription list to the 2 new lists, & close jobs@. - Existing subscribers can then use majordomo to unsubscribe whichever half (if either) they don't want. What do others think ? - Yes, Split. - No, Do not split. Replies to please. Julian Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant jhs@bim.bsn.com Free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 15:27:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8C6437B417 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1567 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Mar 2002 23:27:01 -0000 Date: 13 Mar 2002 15:27:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:27:01 -0800 From: Bill Swingle To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Message-ID: <20020313232701.GA1230@dub.net> References: <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD toxic.magnesium.net 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This list doesn't get anywhere near enough traffic to warrant two lists.=20 There are far more posts about list conduct and how FreeBSD related a given post is.=20 -Bill On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > I suggest a vote to split this into 2 lists: >=20 > # inc. URLs of CV/ Resumes From Indiv= iduals > # Job Descriptions From Employers >=20 > If there's a concensus in favour, I envisage: > - postmaster@freebsd.org will check the thread, confirm the concensus, > clone the jobs@ subscription list to the 2 new lists, & close jobs@. > - Existing subscribers can then use majordomo to unsubscribe > whichever half (if either) they don't want. >=20 > What do others think ?=20 > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. > Replies to please. >=20 > Julian Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant > jhs@bim.bsn.com Free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ > Ihr Rauchen =3D mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message --=20 -=3D| Bill Swingle - -=3D| Every message PGP signed -=3D| Fingerprint: C1E3 49D1 EFC9 3EE0 EA6E 6414 5200 1C95 8E09 0223 -=3D| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso= =20 --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8j+BFUgAclY4JAiMRApFuAJ9Svpu3SKQJtcZOqJFHPYP6V7+O3gCgrkv1 bzWQwUUm3ek7kThOljUMId8= =7Ulz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --a8Wt8u1KmwUX3Y2C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 15:35:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E80E37B400 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DNZbJ72781 for freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:35:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:35:37 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200203132335.g2DNZbJ72781@bunrab.catwhisker.org> To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions >From: "Julian Stacey" >Reply-To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:42:29 +0100 >I suggest a vote to split this into 2 lists: > # inc. URLs of CV/ Resumes From Individuals > # Job Descriptions From Employers >.... Unless/until there's a great deal more traffic on this list, I fail to see a problem worth solving by such a split. >What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. >Replies to please. I'd vote against, for now. Note that traditionally, most lists @freebsd.org are sufficiently open that non-subscribers may post to them, and that they are not moderated. There are, however, filters for certain tell-tale indicators of abuse (from what I gather from communications with postmaster@). I'll also note that following-up in this list is pretty much off-topic, IMO. Cheers, david (links to my resume at http://www.catwhisker.org/~david) -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org I believe it would be irresponsible (and thus, unethical) for me to advise, recommend, or support the use of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product for any purpose other than personal amusement. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 15:42:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from aldan.algebra.com (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4473637B404 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2DNgA3b089191 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Message-Id: <200203132342.g2DNgA3b089191@aldan.algebra.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:10 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13 Mar, Julian Stacey wrote: > # inc. URLs of CV/ Resumes From Individuals > # Job Descriptions From Employers > > If there's a concensus in favour, I envisage: > - postmaster@freebsd.org will check the thread, confirm the concensus, > clone the jobs@ subscription list to the 2 new lists, & close jobs@. > - Existing subscribers can then use majordomo to unsubscribe > whichever half (if either) they don't want. > > What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. > Replies to please. Yes. Split. One more detail: the e-mails to jobs@ should after that be politely returned back requesting resubmission to one of the two mailing lists. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 15:43:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2989537B402 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:43:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 12558 invoked by uid 100); 13 Mar 2002 23:43:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15503.58415.384210.778228@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:43:43 -0600 To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> References: <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.48 (Python 2.2 on freebsd4) Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Stacey types: > What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. > Replies to please. Give how little traffic it gets, there's no need to split it. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 15:45:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from search.sparks.net (d-207-5-180-136.gwi.net [207.5.180.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFBC37B402 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by search.sparks.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 3585AD987; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by search.sparks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5E8D984 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: David Miller To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Julian Stacey wrote: I vote to split. --- David > I suggest a vote to split this into 2 lists: > > # inc. URLs of CV/ Resumes From Individuals > # Job Descriptions From Employers > > If there's a concensus in favour, I envisage: > - postmaster@freebsd.org will check the thread, confirm the concensus, > clone the jobs@ subscription list to the 2 new lists, & close jobs@. > - Existing subscribers can then use majordomo to unsubscribe > whichever half (if either) they don't want. > > What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. > Replies to please. > > Julian Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant > jhs@bim.bsn.com Free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ > Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 16: 2:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (12-253-177-2.client.attbi.com [12.253.177.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2A137B404 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.22.42.2] (peace.hippie.lan [172.22.42.2]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2E02EV23271 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:02:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:02:18 -0700 Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions From: Ian To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do not split, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 16: 6:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247EE37B405 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g2E06Hi32283 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2E06GL44669 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:06:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:06:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020313.170602.103177408.imp@village.org> To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't split. This thread has generated more traffic than would be saved. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 16:42:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.the-i-pa.com (mail.the-i-pa.com [151.201.71.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FFDB37B417 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 46113 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 00:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO potentialtech.com) (151.201.71.209) by mail.the-i-pa.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 00:38:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3C8FF162.8090801@potentialtech.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:40:02 -0500 From: Bill Moran Organization: Potential Technology User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions References: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Stacey wrote: >I suggest a vote to split this into 2 lists: > > # inc. URLs of CV/ Resumes From Individuals > # Job Descriptions From Employers > >If there's a concensus in favour, I envisage: > - postmaster@freebsd.org will check the thread, confirm the concensus, > clone the jobs@ subscription list to the 2 new lists, & close jobs@. > - Existing subscribers can then use majordomo to unsubscribe > whichever half (if either) they don't want. > >What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. > Why? I don't see any reason to add this complexity. -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 16:54:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mrs.org (rizzo.mrs.org [199.234.10.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06A637B404 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.154.28.182] (account ) by mrs.org (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.3.1) with HTTP id 3687787 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:57:16 -0500 From: "Matthew Fleeger" Subject: To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.3.1 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-jobs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 17: 1:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EDD37B400 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (c3.depaul-inst.pittsburgh.pa.us [192.168.1.3]) by pittgoth.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2E13od15406; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:03:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from darklogik@Pittgoth.com) Message-Id: <200203140103.g2E13od15406@pittgoth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tom Rhodes Reply-To: Darklogik@Pittgoth.com To: David Miller , freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:00:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 13 March 2002 06:42 pm, David Miller wrote: > On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Julian Stacey wrote: > > I vote to split. > I vote no split, it would be easier for both parties... You could setup a website that lists people looking for jobs, with resume links, or perhaps request that resume's only sent when a job comes up ;) -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.Pittgoth.com -The Gothic Information Liberation Front www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 18: 8:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [205.166.121.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3195637B405 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.11.6/8.11.5) id g2E28ho86423 for freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:08:43 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Message-ID: <20020314020843.GB85725@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > I suggest a vote to split this into 2 lists: > > # inc. URLs of CV/ Resumes From Individuals > # Job Descriptions From Employers > > If there's a concensus in favour, I envisage: > - postmaster@freebsd.org will check the thread, confirm the concensus, > clone the jobs@ subscription list to the 2 new lists, & close jobs@. > - Existing subscribers can then use majordomo to unsubscribe > whichever half (if either) they don't want. > > What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. Yes, a split would be best. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.5 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | www.bafug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 18:34: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCE037B404 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E2XwWZ125088 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:33:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020314020843.GB85725@mooseriver.com> References: <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> <20020314020843.GB85725@mooseriver.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:33:57 -0500 To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.3 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > > What do others think ? >> - Yes, Split. > > - No, Do not split. > No. Do not split. There is no need to split a mailing list which gets so little traffic. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 18:45:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from InterJet.dellroad.org (adsl-63-194-81-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.194.81.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6A437B417 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from arch20m.dellroad.org (arch20m.dellroad.org [10.1.1.20]) by InterJet.dellroad.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA48858; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from archie@localhost) by arch20m.dellroad.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2E2bg874569; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <200203140237.g2E2bg874569@arch20m.dellroad.org> Subject: Get paid to hack on FreeBSD networking! To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:42 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: archie@packetdesign.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL88 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm a FreeBSD commiter and my job for the past 1.5 years has involved working with Vernier Networks, Inc. on their FreeBSD based networking product. Vernier's web site is: http://www.verniernetworks.com/ To make a long story short, Vernier is a spin-off company of Packet Design (who is my real employer) and now I'm returning to Packet Design. Therefore, Vernier is looking for someone to do similar work to that which I've been doing. The characteristics of this work are: - Development and target platform is FreeBSD-stable/i386 - VERY strong emphasis on networking: Ethernet, IP, ICMP, TCP, UDP, IPSec, PPTP, L2TP, HTTP, DNS, tcpdump, etc. Knowledge & understanding of the FreeBSD networking stack. - Both kernel and userland development, bug fixing, build process, debugging with gdb - Multi-threaded programming environment (in user mode) In summary, lots of FreeBSD + lots of networking. If you're interested, please send an email to: careers@verniernetworks.com Thanks, -Archie __________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Packet Design * http://www.packetdesign.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 19: 4:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from seven.Alameda.net (seven.Alameda.net [64.81.63.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D3E37B400 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by seven.Alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 337C13A239; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:04:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:04:31 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Message-ID: <20020313190431.Q79255@seven.alameda.net> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de>; from jhs@bim.bsn.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > I suggest a vote to split this into 2 lists: > > # inc. URLs of CV/ Resumes From Individuals > # Job Descriptions From Employers > > If there's a concensus in favour, I envisage: > - postmaster@freebsd.org will check the thread, confirm the concensus, > clone the jobs@ subscription list to the 2 new lists, & close jobs@. > - Existing subscribers can then use majordomo to unsubscribe > whichever half (if either) they don't want. > > What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. > Replies to please. Vote for No split. Not enough traffic for two lists. -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://seven.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 19:40:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from web13509.mail.yahoo.com (web13509.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 97F2B37B405 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:40:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020314034012.32643.qmail@web13509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.92.3.61] by web13509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:40:12 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:40:12 -0800 (PST) From: David Yeske Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org please split OR make people put something standard in the subject line like "job offered" or "job wanted" and enforce it... most people probably just want the ability to filter out what they want... Regards, David Yeske __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Wed Mar 13 21:43:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.ghosthound.net (dsl081-070-149.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.70.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F5737B402 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailhost.ghosthound.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 61244393CD; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:46:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:46:00 -0800 From: Eric Hall To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Message-ID: <20020313214600.A14472@ghosthound.net> References: <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de>; from jhs@bim.bsn.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: [snip] > > What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. > Replies to please. > [snip] No to the split. The traffic volume alone isn't worth another list. -eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 2: 5:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4938E37B417 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:05:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:05:15 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA48B@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:05:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, don't split. The vote tenfolds the traffic on this list in the last few months. Kees Jan ===================================================== You can't have everything. Where would you put it? [Steven Wright] > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Hall [mailto:freebsd@ghosthound.net] > Sent: donderdag 14 maart 2002 6:46 > To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > [snip] > > > > What do others think ? > > - Yes, Split. > > - No, Do not split. > > Replies to please. > > > [snip] > > No to the split. The traffic volume alone isn't worth > another list. > > > -eric > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 2:16:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.xciv.org (vantage.xciv.org [195.82.119.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDA037B416 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=xciv.org) by mailhost.xciv.org with esmtp id 16lSHh-0005N3-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:16:33 +0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Organization: XCIV, London UK Reply-To: paul@xciv.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:05:14 +0100." <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA48B@l04.research.kpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:16:33 +0000 Message-ID: <25840.1016100993@xciv.org> From: Paul Civati Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No split. Not enough traffic to warrant it. Also, I think the list might benefit from being moderated. -Paul- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 5:57: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43AC37B416 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 05:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-1120cbf.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.49.111] helo=there) by hall.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16lVj2-0000B3-00 for freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:57:00 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Scott D Reply-To: digitalox@earthlink.net To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:07:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <25840.1016100993@xciv.org> In-Reply-To: <25840.1016100993@xciv.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, I think we should split and we don't have enough FreeBSD lists yet. We could use some more. I suggest a multiple split as follows. Job-Clueless : List for students and such, who have no idea what BSD or a resume is, but are desperately spamming lists everywhere in hope for a reply Job-Spammer : For the spammers Job-Jobs : For the employers... Job-Resumes : For the Ex-Employees... Job-Discussion : To hold these discussions about how the job list shold be used. That should bulk up our lists list a little. -- Scott On Thursday 14 March 2002 05:16 am, Paul Civati wrote: > No split. Not enough traffic to warrant it. > > Also, I think the list might benefit from being moderated. > > -Paul- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 6:18:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from aldan.algebra.com (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E8F37B416 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2EEIP3b092619; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:18:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Message-Id: <200203141418.g2EEIP3b092619@aldan.algebra.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:18:25 -0500 (EST) From: Mikhail Teterin Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions To: K.J.Koster@kpn.com Cc: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA48B@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14 Mar, Koster, K.J. wrote: > No, don't split. > > The vote tenfolds the traffic on this list in the last few months. But you know from the _subject line_, what each new message is about. The trouble is not with the traffic volume, but with content. The post quoted by Eric ``88 Consulting'' required carefull reading to understand whether a job is offered or wanted. The two sides are totally opposite -- either separate subject prefixes, or mailing list split is warranted. The low traffic argument alone is flawed -- it can justify combining together, say, freebsd-cooking, freebsd-astronomy, and freebsd-scuba -- totally unrelated, but all very low traffic (presumably -- what do I know?). And even if all the current subscribers promise to make their future postings explicitly titled, there is no way to ensure that from the future posters... Although I don't feel STRONGLY either way, my vote remains: "Split 'em". -mi > Kees Jan >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Hall [mailto:freebsd@ghosthound.net] >> Sent: donderdag 14 maart 2002 6:46 >> To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:42:29PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: >> [snip] >> > >> > What do others think ? >> > - Yes, Split. >> > - No, Do not split. >> > Replies to please. >> > >> [snip] >> >> No to the split. The traffic volume alone isn't worth >> another list. >> >> >> -eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 11: 8:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E4337B400 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2EJ9ff33663 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:09:41 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de> To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd - Munich Unix & Internet consultancy X-Web: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ http://bsd.bsn.com/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:42:29 +0100." <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:09:41 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apologies for my bad header edit, Having not changed previous header Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions to Subject: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@. When I requested votes on - Yes, Split. - No, Do not split. ( My proposal had no particular relation to previous topic/ thread so I hope no one interpreted it as criticism ). It's just for some time I've been thinking it would be nice to have the possibility to select mails a bit more Re. wanted & offered. Perhaps those who've not yet expressed their vote/opinion might prefer to do so under the new subject header ? Julian Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant jhs@bim.bsn.com Free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 11:15: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768C837B400 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:14:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc4-card4-0-cust162.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([80.4.14.162] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 16lagg-0001e0-00 for freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:14:54 +0000 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16lagQ-000DdA-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:14:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:14:38 +0000 From: Ceri To: Julian Stacey Cc: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ Message-ID: <20020314191438.GA52280@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> References: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's my ballot: Yes, Split. No, Do not split. X Ceri --=20 keep a mild groove on --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8kPacocfcwTS3JF8RAlunAJ96N5vYTA9V0syuYvClnQfVDUJAIQCcDSRj wZO4+NbilGAIVcaiyhYRe3A= =M9FS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 11:15:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 664) id 5DA2337B43C; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:15:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:15:32 -0800 From: David O'Brien To: Julian Stacey Cc: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ Message-ID: <20020314111532.A49619@hub.freebsd.org> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de>; from jhs@bim.bsn.com on Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:09:41PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:09:41PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > > Perhaps those who've not yet expressed their vote/opinion might prefer to > do so under the new subject header ? Christ!! Julian, you've ALREADY gotten enough feedback -- and enough of that has been "DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING" that it would be hard for you to put your change thru. You have now caused more traffic than I've gotten on the list in the 3 months of this year. Care to acknowledge that?? We've even just seen one person unsubscribe and I doubt that is due to him just getting a job. DROP IT ALREADY. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 11:17:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from tigger.pacehouse.com (adsl-63-202-82-115.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.82.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC8F37B405 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jepace@localhost) by tigger.pacehouse.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2EJH4c50938 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jepace@pobox.com) X-Authentication-Warning: tigger.pacehouse.com: jepace owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:17:04 -0800 (PST) From: "James E. Pace" X-X-Sender: jepace@tigger.pacehouse.com Reply-To: "James E. Pace" Cc: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ In-Reply-To: <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de> Message-ID: <20020314111605.N50457-100000@tigger.pacehouse.com> X-Url: http://www.pobox.com/~jepace X-Pgp-Fingerprint: 8C E7 12 5A 3A 8C 5C 4D EC 15 7B 65 EA 82 D2 BF X-Pgp-Keyid: A49EA4D9 X-Files: The Truth Is Out There MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Julian Stacey wrote: > Perhaps those who've not yet expressed their vote/opinion might prefer to > do so under the new subject header ? No split, but I'd like meaningful subject lines. -JEP This letter brought to you by: ************************************* ** "They that can give up James E. Pace ** ** essential liberty to http://www.PaceHouse.com/ ** ** obtain a little temporary ** ** safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin ** ******************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 11:22:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (web.cs.ndsu.NoDak.edu [134.129.125.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1C837B405 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id g2EJMUq22789; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:22:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tinguely) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:22:30 -0600 (CST) From: mark tinguely Message-Id: <200203141922.g2EJMUq22789@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG, jhs@bim.bsn.com Subject: Re: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ In-Reply-To: <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org no an education/etiquette statement is all that is needed. --mark tinguely. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 11:33:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535E437B405 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:33:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21695 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 19:33:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO helios.dub.net) ([216.27.176.75]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Mar 2002 19:33:15 -0000 Received: by helios.dub.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9E3D33126; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:33:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:33:14 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: David O'Brien Cc: Julian Stacey , freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ Message-ID: <20020314193314.GB46526@helios.dub.net> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de> <20020314111532.A49619@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020314111532.A49619@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 at 11:15:32 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 08:09:41PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > > Perhaps those who've not yet expressed their vote/opinion might > > prefer to do so under the new subject header ? > > Christ!! Julian, you've ALREADY gotten enough feedback -- and enough > of that has been "DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING" that it would be hard for > you to put your change thru. > > You have now caused more traffic than I've gotten on the list in the 3 > months of this year. Care to acknowledge that?? We've even just seen > one person unsubscribe and I doubt that is due to him just getting a > job. > > DROP IT ALREADY. I was trying my best to keep my mouth shut, but I must say I have to agree with David. There have been almost as many posts on this thread as there have been to this list *ALL YEAR* so far. If you find it that difficult to actually figure out whether or not a particular post is offering a job or somebody looking for a job, MAYBE YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY TRY READING IT INSTEAD OF BITCHING ABOUT IT. There have been numerous posts from you (Julian) complaining about posters not including the location. BIG FREAKING DEAL. Email them privately and ask if you can't be bothered to take the 3 seconds and whois the domain name. Then there are those who bitch about jobs not being relevant to this list, but the fucked up part about that is that at least one of the people bitching HAS A JOB. Why would you people think that just because it isn't a FreeBSD-only job and relevant to this list people who are jobless and desperate don't want to read it? Anyway, I've ranted enough on this now, and this will be my last post about it. For the record, I see no real reason whatsoever to split the list into two lists since it doesn't get that much traffic to begin with. If you can't be bothered to actually read through the posts made here to see if it's a job posted or a job wanted, why even bother being subscribed? - jim -- jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 11:54:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3998737B405 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4E23F25 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:54:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:54:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20020314195450.6D4E23F25@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't split it. [I'm surprised that a low-volume list would attract such a suggestion] -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 12:10:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82D9637B41A for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 33763 invoked by uid 100); 14 Mar 2002 20:10:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15505.960.78677.295391@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:10:40 -0600 To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions In-Reply-To: <200203141418.g2EEIP3b092619@aldan.algebra.com> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA48B@l04.research.kpn.com> <200203141418.g2EEIP3b092619@aldan.algebra.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.48 (Python 2.2 on freebsd4) Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <200203141418.g2EEIP3b092619@aldan.algebra.com>, Mikhail Teterin typed: > The low traffic argument alone is flawed -- it can justify combining > together, say, freebsd-cooking, freebsd-astronomy, and freebsd-scuba > -- totally unrelated, but all very low traffic (presumably -- what do I > know?). This argument is flawed, because it's based on the assumption that you split lists to separate content. You don't - you split lists to get messages you don't want to read out of peoples faces. There's not enough traffic I don't want to read to warrant that. Worse yet, I'm liable to subscribe to them both in either case. One list will have things to investigate, and the other will have potential competitors for those things, both of which are of interest. That makes the split a negative one for me, as I'd then have to subscribe to both lists. > And even if all the current subscribers promise to make their future > postings explicitly titled, there is no way to ensure that from the > future posters... It's been suggested the list be moderated. I second that, and volunteer to be the moderator. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 12:13:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from cinnamon.com (adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.100.248.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C5B37B402 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cinnamon.com (bshkjo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cinnamon.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA59413; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:13:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bandy@cinnamon.com) Message-Id: <200203142013.MAA59413@cinnamon.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: Mikhail Teterin , freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:10:40 CST." <15505.960.78677.295391@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:13:27 -0800 From: Andrew Beals Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:10:40 -0600, "Mike Meyer" wrote: > In <200203141418.g2EEIP3b092619@aldan.algebra.com>, Mikhail Teterin typed: > > > And even if all the current subscribers promise to make their future > > postings explicitly titled, there is no way to ensure that from the > > future posters... > > It's been suggested the list be moderated. I second that, and > volunteer to be the moderator. I second Mike's self-nomination. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 12:31:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (spdsl-033.wanlogistics.net [63.209.115.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980B937B435 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2EKVEZ06874 for freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:31:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:31:14 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Message-ID: <20020314203114.GB6837@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA48B@l04.research.kpn.com> <200203141418.g2EEIP3b092619@aldan.algebra.com> <15505.960.78677.295391@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15505.960.78677.295391@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:10:40PM -0600, Mike Meyer thus spoke: > It's been suggested the list be moderated. I second that, and > volunteer to be the moderator. Good idea. I'll vote for that. Can't second it since it's already been seconded. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 13:18:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5A437B404 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au (webmail03.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.236]) by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2ELIgo17718 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:18:42 +1100 Message-Id: <200203142118.g2ELIgo17718@mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.411 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [203.13.126.19] as user satare@optusnet.com.au by webmail.optusnet.com.au with HTTP; From: Michael Ross To: "freebsd-jobs @ FreeBSD . ORG" Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:18:42 +1100 Subject: Re: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Bill Vermillion wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:10:40PM -0600, Mike Meyer thus spoke: > > > It's been suggested the list be moderated. I second that, and > > volunteer to be the moderator. > > Good idea. I'll vote for that. Can't second it since it's already > been seconded. I'd give my vote as well. If all your trying to do is remove content from peoples faces then moderating the list makes sense. If people just want a place to post resumes then why doesn't somebody put a site together to do this? I'd be happy to build/host the site if anybody thought they would use it. Any takers? Michael Ross satare@optusnet.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 13:30:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058B137B448; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA35709; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:21:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:21:42 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Julian Stacey , freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ In-Reply-To: <20020314111532.A49619@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now figuring out how to do something with freebsd-questions would be a worthy endeavor. freebsd-jobs is a useful combination of both supply and demand....their intersection being essential to equilibrium :) Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 13:31:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6C937B429 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (lcl234.zbzoom.net [208.236.36.234]) by pittgoth.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2ELXYd17373; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:33:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Message-ID: <3C911980.6050501@pittgoth.com> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:43:28 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes Reply-To: darklogik@pittgoth.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20011221 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Ross Cc: "freebsd-jobs @ FreeBSD . ORG" Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions References: <200203142118.g2ELIgo17718@mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Ross wrote: >>Bill Vermillion wrote: >> >>On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:10:40PM -0600, Mike Meyer thus spoke: >> >> >>>It's been suggested the list be moderated. I second that, and >>>volunteer to be the moderator. >>> >>Good idea. I'll vote for that. Can't second it since it's already >>been seconded. >> > > I'd give my vote as well. If all your trying to do is remove content from peoples > faces then moderating the list makes sense. If people just want a place to post > resumes then why doesn't somebody put a site together to do this? > > I'd be happy to build/host the site if anybody thought they would use it. Any > takers? > > Michael Ross > satare@optusnet.com.au > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message > > > A site to represent this list would probly be very efficiant for employers, so they can just click around the various names/skills/resume's of the users on here. Like a ``let them come to us'' type of site. Good thinking, but its a large job ;) -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.Pittgoth.com Gothic Liberation Front www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 15:38:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22A737B404 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a236.otenet.gr [212.205.215.236]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2ENcc0j026264 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:38:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2ENcVoB004560 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:38:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2EJumjU003751 for freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:56:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:56:48 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Message-ID: <20020314195648.GB3582@hades.hell.gr> References: <75683E08-35DA-11D6-B27A-00039306A162@88consulting.com> <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-03-13 15:42, Julian Stacey wrote: > What do others think ? > - Yes, Split. > - No, Do not split. > Replies to please. No, Do not split. This is a fairly quiet list. Well, most of the time. Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 15:38:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4B137B416 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:38:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a236.otenet.gr [212.205.215.236]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2ENcc0j026261; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:38:41 +0200 (EET) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2ENcVo9004560; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 01:38:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2EK0cUL003785; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:00:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:00:38 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Message-ID: <20020314200038.GC3582@hades.hell.gr> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA48B@l04.research.kpn.com> <200203141418.g2EEIP3b092619@aldan.algebra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200203141418.g2EEIP3b092619@aldan.algebra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-03-14 09:18, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > The low traffic argument alone is flawed -- it can justify combining > together, say, freebsd-cooking, freebsd-astronomy, and freebsd-scuba > -- totally unrelated, but all very low traffic (presumably -- what do I > know?). We already have one of those. It's called freebsd-chat and combines several lists in one :-) Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Thu Mar 14 16:19:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1EF37B405 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 16lfRe-0008ND-00; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:19:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Seattle-area company looking for BSD developer In-Reply-To: <3C913A64.170B2036@nwrain.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I spoke on the phone today with Dave Bartels of WinSearch. He's looking for a BSD developer; here's his comments: > We are building a so called "next-generation" network attached storage > device using FreeBSD as our foundation for OS. We are doing some > interesting cutting edge work on distributed file systems, journaling, > zero-copy networking, nfs, smb and much more. > > In a nutshell, I'm looking for solid C/Unix engineers who have done or > are interested in doing the type of work mentioned above. For more details, contact Dave at . Jeremy C. Reed p.s. For Seattle-area readers: A beginning mail server administration workshop covering installation, configuration, troubleshooting and basic spam prevention (using Exim) will be taught on Monday evening in Everett. http://www.pugetsoundtechnology.com/training/workshops/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-jobs Fri Mar 15 6:15:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B34E37B416; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 06:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2FEE5s37696; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:14:05 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200203151414.g2FEE5s37696@jhs.muc.de> To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Jim Mock" , "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ In-Reply-To: Message from "David O'Brien" of "Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:15:32 +0100." <20020314111532.A49619@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:14:05 +0100 From: Julian Stacey Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, My suggestion is voted down: 5 For, 21 Against. Motion defeated. Thanks anyway to all who voted either way. ------------- Statements below are Categorically Wrong : David O'Brien wrote: > Christ!! Julian, you've ALREADY gotten enough feedback -- and enough of I got _No_ feedback between my first post: Message-Id: <200203131442.g2DEgTv30343@jhs.muc.de> Subject: Re: 88 Consulting -- *BSD-based server solutions Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:42:29 +0100 & my second post, to change subject: Message-Id: <200203141909.g2EJ9ff33663@jhs.muc.de> Subject: Splitting jobs@ into jobs-wanted@ & jobs-offered@ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:09:41 +0100 Incoming feedback crossed in mail with that outgoing 2nd mail, when I next connected to the net. Jim Mock wrote: > and ask if you can't be bothered to take the 3 seconds and > whois the domain name. Some may have the luxury of cheap permanent Internet connection. Others do not. Easier to encourage posters to state where in world, rather than need all who may be interested, to note down to do a "whois the domain" when next on line. Realise: - Some do not read mail on line; - Some do not have email to desk paid by an employer; - Some do not have cheap/ continuous connection at home; - Some pay to read mail batched & downloaded perhaps once a day, & outgoing queued mail can overlap in transit with incoming. - Some countries on this _World_ _Wide_ list get relayed at different speeds, by different intermediate relays, with variable delay. - The World is Not one time zone, we read & respond at different times. This is an _International_ list. Criticism based on USA national presumptions such as { timezone, geography, or cheap/ continuous net availability etc } is blinkered thinking. Julian Stacey Munich Unix (FreeBSD, Linux etc) Independent Consultant jhs@bim.bsn.com Free software: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/free/ Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! 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