From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 21 03:10:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8649F37B401 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mini.berklix.org (mini.berklix.org [194.221.87.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B2643F3F for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 03:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from holz.berklix.net (pD9E4DAB6.dip.t-dialin.net [217.228.218.182]) by mini.berklix.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3LA9tpp019279 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:09:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by holz.berklix.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3LA9wi09341 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:09:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3LA9mx72258 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:09:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:09:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200304211009.h3LA9mx72258@flip.jhs.private> To: advocacy@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/vsl/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:34:39 PDT." Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham, Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:10:07 -0000 "Jeremy C. Reed" wrote: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:09:48 +0200 Sender: jhs@flip.jhs.private > maybe have example systems, and to provide brochures to handout and to We (Berkeley In Munich) have a *BSD leaflet, double sided single sheet, http://www.berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ Tex source + sheet images etc. English & German versions. It was also used as base for a Canadian leaflet recently, maybe it's of use to you too. Good luck with your event. PS there'll be a couple of (vintage) BSD exhibit stands at next week's Vintage Computer Fest Europa stand in Munich http://www.vcfe.org - - Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 21 08:01:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3527637B401 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CD343FE5 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 197cnc-0003qj-00; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:01:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:01:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Julian Stacey In-Reply-To: <200304211009.h3LA9mx72258@flip.jhs.private> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham, Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:01:54 -0000 > We (Berkeley In Munich) have a *BSD leaflet, double sided single sheet, > http://www.berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ > Tex source + sheet images etc. English & German versions. It was > also used as base for a Canadian leaflet recently, maybe it's of > use to you too. Good luck with your event. Thank you, Julian. Is it fine if we modify and reproduce and redistribute this? It currently says BIM presents. I'd like to change that to a Seattle-area users group, but I can still attribute on bottom that the brochure was originally from BIM. Also, does anyone have a URL for the Canadian leaflet? Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 21 15:44:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA03237B404 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mini.berklix.org (mini.berklix.org [194.221.87.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8A543FBD for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 15:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from holz.berklix.net (pD9EB7421.dip.t-dialin.net [217.235.116.33]) by mini.berklix.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3LMi2pp020049; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:44:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by holz.berklix.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3LMiFi10922; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:44:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3LMhSx96800; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:43:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200304212243.h3LMhSx96800@flip.jhs.private> To: advocacy@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/vsl/ X-Copyright: Don't publicly archive, without obfuscating email addresses. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:01:39 PDT." Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:43:28 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com cc: rainer@tower.berklix.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham, Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:44:31 -0000 Reference: > From: "Jeremy C. Reed" > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 08:01:39 -0700 (PDT) > Message-id: "Jeremy C. Reed" wrote: > > We (Berkeley In Munich) have a *BSD leaflet, double sided single sheet, > > http://www.berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ > > Tex source + sheet images etc. English & German versions. It was > > also used as base for a Canadian leaflet recently, maybe it's of > > use to you too. Good luck with your event. > > Thank you, Julian. > > Is it fine if we modify and reproduce and redistribute this? > > It currently says BIM presents. I'd like to change that to a Seattle-area > users group, but I can still attribute on bottom that the brochure was > originally from BIM. Sure. (Treat it as normal BSD style copyright). Please also contribute back any updates/ corrections etc to BIM (Berkeley In Munich)'s rainer @ user.berklix.org > Also, does anyone have a URL for the Canadian leaflet? Ask "Dan Langille" or try his http://www.langille.org/ If you or Dan supply URL's for Dan's last version or your future version I'll add the URLs to http://www.berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ - Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 10:47:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D6037B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF76043F85 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:47:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 198OL8-0005OF-00; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:47:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:47:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Julian Stacey In-Reply-To: <200304212243.h3LMhSx96800@flip.jhs.private> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: rainer@tower.berklix.org cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham, Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:47:46 -0000 On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > http://www.berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ Has anyone converted this to US Letter? I have slowly been modifying different parts (which are hard-coded with values assuming A4). But now it doesn't look as nice. Maybe my local Staples has A4 paper ... Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 11:34:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747D937B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.ultra-secure.de (bsd.ultra-secure.de [62.146.46.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1402443FDD for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:34:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (qmail 70747 invoked by uid 90); 23 Apr 2003 18:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ultra-secure.de) (rainer@itsecurity-news.de@217.232.225.2) by bsd.ultra-secure.de with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 18:34:56 -0000 Sender: rainer@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3EA6DCCC.B62D33D6@ultra-secure.de> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:34:52 +0200 From: Rainer Duffner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; OpenBSD 3.3 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremy C. Reed" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham,Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:34:59 -0000 "Jeremy C. Reed" wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > > > http://www.berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ > > Has anyone converted this to US Letter? Gee - The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from ;-) > I have slowly been modifying different parts (which are hard-coded with > values assuming A4). But now it doesn't look as nice. Maybe Dan Langville has printed it out in CDN - or do they use A4 there too ? > Maybe my local Staples has A4 paper ... Remember the days when mis-prints where expensive ? ;-) cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rainer Duffner Munich rainer@ultra-secure.de Germany http://www.i-duffner.de Freising ======================================== All HTML-mail goes to my pre-trash bin ! Send plain text email for faster response ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 11:41:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B255737B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC74E43F93 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124183D28; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:41:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Rainer Duffner Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:41:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3EA6A630.6092.193F9512@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3EA6DCCC.B62D33D6@ultra-secure.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham,Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:41:54 -0000 On 23 Apr 2003 at 20:34, Rainer Duffner wrote: > Maybe Dan Langville has printed it out in CDN - or do they use A4 there > too ? I didn't print them, but I know who did, and I've emailed David Maxwell and brought his attention to this thread. I don't know if it'll help or not, but I do still have these: http://www.freebsddiary.org/tmp/leaflet-english.pdf http://www.freebsddiary.org/tmp/leaflet-english.ps And they look like they are 8.5x11.... -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 11:53:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B01037B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C4743FBD for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:53:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 198PMv-0005Qj-00; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:53:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:53:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Dan Langille In-Reply-To: <3EA6A630.6092.193F9512@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26,Bellingham,Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:53:42 -0000 On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Dan Langille wrote: > I don't know if it'll help or not, but I do still have these: > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/tmp/leaflet-english.pdf > http://www.freebsddiary.org/tmp/leaflet-english.ps > > And they look like they are 8.5x11.... I don't know what the PDF is, and the Postscript is A4. My wife asked: "Can't you just copy and paste?" I am installing scribus again so I can make some business cards; so I may try copying and pasting to it (to make a new brochure). I am also going to try to print some 11in x 17in posters for BSD advocacy too. Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 11:58:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9833837B404 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9111C43F75 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:58:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C263D28; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 14:58:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3EA6AA17.1678.194ED6C4@localhost> Priority: normal References: <3EA6A630.6092.193F9512@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham,Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:58:34 -0000 On 23 Apr 2003 at 11:53, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Dan Langille wrote: > > > I don't know if it'll help or not, but I do still have these: > > > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/tmp/leaflet-english.pdf > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/tmp/leaflet-english.ps > > > > And they look like they are 8.5x11.... > > I don't know what the PDF is, and the Postscript is A4. I just printed one copy on 8.5x11. It seems like it would fold well. Even if it didn't, they could be used as flat sheets. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 12:05:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665C737B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1D043F75 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DD83D29 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:05:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:05:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3EA6ABAE.15738.19550CA1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3EA6A630.6092.193F9512@localhost> References: <3EA6DCCC.B62D33D6@ultra-secure.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham,Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:05:20 -0000 On 23 Apr 2003 at 14:41, Dan Langille wrote: > I didn't print them, but I know who did, and I've emailed David > Maxwell and brought his attention to this thread. I was wrong. David brought NetBSD leaflets. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 02:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2BF37B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mini.berklix.org (mini.berklix.org [194.221.87.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE3B43FBD for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD9E4D560.dip.t-dialin.net [217.228.213.96]) by mini.berklix.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3O9rZLv024386 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:53:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by js.berklix.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3O9rXq19021 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:53:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3O9rFx63812 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:53:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200304240953.h3O9rFx63812@flip.jhs.private> To: advocacy@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/vsl/ X-Copyright: Don't publicly archive, without obfuscating email addresses. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:05:18 EDT." <3EA6ABAE.15738.19550CA1@localhost> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:53:14 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26, Bellingham,Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:53:49 -0000 > From: "Dan Langille" > > I was wrong. David brought NetBSD leaflets. The NetBSD.org leaflet stems from Hubert F., who lives where A4 is default, I don't know what default his Makefile sets, but the Tek formatting stuff stems from Oliver F's first BIM leaflet in A4. Diffs welcome, for dual paper size & other things, ref. http://www.berklix.org/bim/leaflet/ - Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 09:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA0F37B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBE143F93 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EBCC95427; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:14:27 -0700 From: Linh Pham To: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030424161427.GA80375@q.closedsrc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://olosedsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc Subject: OSDL and their stance on BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:14:32 -0000 --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After hearing the name, Open Source Development Lab (OSDL), come up a couple of times, I decided to check them out to see who they are and what they are doing to help out the general Open Source community (including BSD). Well, according to the front page of their website [http://www.osdl.org]: OSDL is dedicated to providing Open Source developers with resources and guidance to build data center and carrier grade enhancements into Linux and its Open Source software stack, enabling it to become the leading UNIX-like Operating System for e-Business deployment and development. Okay, so it looks like they not only provide some "resources" to further Linux and "it's" Open Source software for enterprise networks. They have no mention of BSD or anything, until you hit the FAQ [http://www.osdl.org/faq.html]. One of their FAQ directly talks about BSD: Why don't you work on BSD? For a variety of reasons, Linux has achieved far broader acceptance in the marketplace and is the open source operating system that has the greatest potential for acceptance in the enterprise.=20 So it seems that an "Open Source" group is working on improving "Open Source" software only to further Linux and not other Open Source operating systems like FreeBSD. At this point, I decided to send an e-mail to info@osdl.org. Instead of dumping the entire thread into this message, I have a cleaned up version of the thread available at: http://closedsrc.org/~question/osdl-msg The thread consists of several replies from Timothy Witham, the Lab Director of OSDL and replies that I sent back. It seems that Timothy's view is that if BSD wants the same resources and the same type of backing, it needs to do it themselves, even though there is an "Open Source Development Lab" that, one would think, should encompass as many Open Source platforms as possible. To me, it seems that it's another group using the "Open Source" mark to garner the attention of the media and companies, yet only provide assistance in building up Open Source software only for Linux. What do you guys think and what action should we take? --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+qA1jwhofDeWkDMIRAhXcAJsEW6Fu98TLWFzLWQtuPaFGLetFxACeKsae OgZ6qJFzAJxrOf6q/AfP+ac= =GwfC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 10:26:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D1637B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EAD43FA3 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDU00E7UZ26N3@thor.acuson.com> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:15:42 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7L8WPM; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:17:09 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:25:33 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <20030424161427.GA80375@q.closedsrc.org> To: Linh Pham , advocacy@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304241025.33655.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20030424161427.GA80375@q.closedsrc.org> Subject: Re: OSDL and their stance on BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:26:06 -0000 On Thursday 24 April 2003 09:14 am, Linh Pham wrote: > To me, it seems that it's another group using the "Open Source" mark > to garner the attention of the media and companies, yet only provide > assistance in building up Open Source software only for Linux. > > What do you guys think and what action should we take? Maybe we could start the Free Software Development Labs :-) David From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 14:58:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593C337B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0D443FCB for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mooneer@translator.cx) Received: from pool0018.cvx31-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.146.18] helo=morpheus) by grouse.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 198oje-0003uX-00; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:58:31 -0700 From: "Mooneer Salem" To: "Johnson David" , "Linh Pham" , Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:58:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200304241025.33655.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: OSDL and their stance on BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:58:36 -0000 Hello, I can just imagine all of the GNU people saying "BSD isn't free". :) How about the "Software Research Labratory"? Thanks, -- Mooneer Salem GPLTrans: http://www.translator.cx/ lifeafterking.org: http://www.lifeafterking.org/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Johnson David Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:26 AM To: Linh Pham; advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OSDL and their stance on BSD On Thursday 24 April 2003 09:14 am, Linh Pham wrote: > To me, it seems that it's another group using the "Open Source" mark > to garner the attention of the media and companies, yet only provide > assistance in building up Open Source software only for Linux. > > What do you guys think and what action should we take? Maybe we could start the Free Software Development Labs :-) David _______________________________________________ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 16:39:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E44437B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from community8.interfree.it (community8.interfree.it [213.158.72.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5236243FD7 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: (qmail 14962 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2003 23:39:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (80.104.111.221) by mail.interfree.it with SMTP; 24 Apr 2003 23:39:51 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: ".VWV." To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:40:26 -0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304250040.26911.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Subject: Re: OSDL and their stance on BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:39:54 -0000 BSD is the authentic Unix now: live free or die - Unix. VITTORI On Thursday 24 April 2003 20:58, Mooneer Salem wrote: > Hello, > > I can just imagine all of the GNU people saying "BSD isn't free". :) > How about the "Software Research Labratory"? > > Thanks, From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 18:02:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0418937B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from community8.interfree.it (community8.interfree.it [213.158.72.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E45843FBF for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: (qmail 20360 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2003 01:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (80.104.113.229) by mail.interfree.it with SMTP; 25 Apr 2003 01:02:53 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: ".VWV." To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 02:03:28 -0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Subject: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:02:56 -0000 Hi to all. I have noticed both BSD and Linux pre-compiled kernels cannot mount read-= write=20 the other filesystem. It's a shame that a newbie could think one is able = to=20 read, the other one is able to write. We know ufs was born before ext. So= me=20 Linux distributions has also adopted ReiserFS on Linux, that's really a=20 not-unix filesystem. Why at PASC nobody has declared what's the best=20 standard? I'm waiting for God's reply... With my best regards VITTORI From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 15:25:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D71237B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2D943FE1 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:25:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0134.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.134] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 199BdD-0003vr-00; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:25:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3EA9B589.AAD7A527@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:24:09 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ".VWV." References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4d2aa6b4c01d34da036e4dd9983bf637193caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:25:26 -0000 ".VWV." wrote: > I have noticed both BSD and Linux pre-compiled kernels cannot mount read-write > the other filesystem. It's a shame that a newbie could think one is able to > read, the other one is able to write. We know ufs was born before ext. Some > Linux distributions has also adopted ReiserFS on Linux, that's really a > not-unix filesystem. Why at PASC nobody has declared what's the best > standard? Everyone has declared their own as being "the best standard", so no one interoperates. 8-). As to defaults, the issue is one of License conflicts. The GPL is poison-pilled against all other licenses, in clause 6. You can, of course, compile your own kernel with whatever code you want in it, in both Linux and BSD, so long as you do not distribute a binary that can't legally be licensed. If you go with the "least common denominator", e.g. FAT32, then both systems can mount the FS read/write, no problem, though that's probably not very satisfying to you. -- Terry From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 15:45:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE4137B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from community.interfree.it (community.interfree.it [213.158.72.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 626C243FBD for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: (qmail 14726 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2003 22:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (80.104.111.132) by mail.interfree.it with SMTP; 25 Apr 2003 22:45:18 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: ".VWV." To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:45:55 -0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9B589.AAD7A527@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3EA9B589.AAD7A527@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Subject: Re: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:45:22 -0000 On Friday 25 April 2003 21:24, you wrote: > ".VWV." wrote: > > I have noticed both BSD and Linux pre-compiled kernels cannot mount > > read-write the other filesystem. It's a shame that a newbie could thi= nk > > one is able to read, the other one is able to write. We know ufs was = born > > before ext. Some Linux distributions has also adopted ReiserFS on Lin= ux, > > that's really a not-unix filesystem. Why at PASC nobody has declared > > what's the best standard? > > Everyone has declared their own as being "the best standard", > so no one interoperates. 8-). > > As to defaults, the issue is one of License conflicts. The > GPL is poison-pilled against all other licenses, in clause 6. > You can, of course, compile your own kernel with whatever code > you want in it, in both Linux and BSD, so long as you do not > distribute a binary that can't legally be licensed. > > If you go with the "least common denominator", e.g. FAT32, > then both systems can mount the FS read/write, no problem, > though that's probably not very satisfying to you. > > -- Terry It's horrible, we could fear we have no Gods any more... I'll never move = from=20 ufs or from an hypothetical future 'son'. I have been really tried by=20 not-properly-unix experiments. =2EVWV. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 15:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2CC37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-relay-1.adobe.com (smtp-relay-1.adobe.com [192.150.11.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69F043FB1 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from inner-relay-2.corp.adobe.com (inner-relay-2 [153.32.1.52]) h3PMqUHU004303 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (mailsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.192])h3PMqPON008331 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com ([153.32.129.125]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 v1 Jul 11 2001 16:32:57) with ESMTP id HDX8VD00.DT1 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:52:25 -0700 Message-ID: <3EA9BC28.4070400@mac.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:52:24 -0700 From: John Martinez User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9B589.AAD7A527@mindspring.com> <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:52:33 -0000 .VWV. wrote: > > It's horrible, we could fear we have no Gods any more... I'll never move from > ufs or from an hypothetical future 'son'. I have been really tried by > not-properly-unix experiments. I actually don't see this as being that horrible. If they all worked the same, what fun would that be? FreeBSD isn't the only weapon I have in my arsenal (my email address is a giveaway). It's just a very good one to have. ;-) It's called CHOICE. And when it comes down to it, all of the UNIX variants eventually learn from the experiences of their fellow cousins and take the best from them. -john From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 15:56:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A62537B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E45E43FD7 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3C9825427; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:56:16 -0700 From: Linh Pham To: John Martinez Message-ID: <20030425225616.GA84388@q.closedsrc.org> References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9B589.AAD7A527@mindspring.com> <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9BC28.4070400@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EA9BC28.4070400@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://olosedsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 22:56:24 -0000 --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003-04-25 15:52 -0700, John Martinez wrote: # And when it comes down to it, all of the UNIX variants eventually learn= =20 # from the experiences of their fellow cousins and take the best from them. Unfortunately, some UNIX cousins take the worst from each one, and blame the rest for stealing their good stuff. =2E.. but I digress. --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+qb0QwhofDeWkDMIRAp3lAJ48kJvdCxZ8vXF6MbFgVb+DuI5/kACeNX8O /GDzwaTd682HQqVvNyQAWlE= =LTlJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 16:02:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E8D37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-relay-1.adobe.com (smtp-relay-1.adobe.com [192.150.11.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD9843FB1 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from inner-relay-2.corp.adobe.com (inner-relay-2 [153.32.1.52]) h3PN2sHU005799 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (mailsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.192])h3PN2mON009443 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com ([153.32.129.125]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 v1 Jul 11 2001 16:32:57) with ESMTP id HDX9CO00.R36 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:02:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3EA9BE98.6040400@mac.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:02:48 -0700 From: John Martinez User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9B589.AAD7A527@mindspring.com> <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9BC28.4070400@mac.com> <20030425225616.GA84388@q.closedsrc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:02:57 -0000 Linh Pham wrote: > On 2003-04-25 15:52 -0700, John Martinez wrote: > > # And when it comes down to it, all of the UNIX variants eventually learn > # from the experiences of their fellow cousins and take the best from them. > > Unfortunately, some UNIX cousins take the worst from each one, and blame > the rest for stealing their good stuff. alright, I'll concede that point. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 16:06:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F5337B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C104643FBF for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:06:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0134.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.134] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 199CHN-0002sB-00; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3EA9BF40.5DF16B1@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:05:36 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ".VWV." References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a41020ee73d8bedc810dbcc947a01a8c6e667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 23:06:58 -0000 ".VWV." wrote: > It's horrible, we could fear we have no Gods any more... I'll never move from > ufs or from an hypothetical future 'son'. I have been really tried by > not-properly-unix experiments. Well, there's always "Please submit patches"... -- Terry From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 17:11:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2026C37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from community8.interfree.it (community8.interfree.it [213.158.72.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 789CA43F85 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:11:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: (qmail 1058 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 00:11:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (80.104.111.182) by mail.interfree.it with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 00:11:25 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: ".VWV." To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:12:02 -0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9BF40.5DF16B1@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3EA9BF40.5DF16B1@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304260112.02367.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:11:31 -0000 On Friday 25 April 2003 22:05, you wrote: > ".VWV." wrote: > > It's horrible, we could fear we have no Gods any more... I'll never m= ove > > from ufs or from an hypothetical future 'son'. I have been really tri= ed > > by not-properly-unix experiments. > > Well, there's always "Please submit patches"... > > -- Terry You all have demonstrated this community is great. I am wondering, if I a= m=20 really an European, or a Californian instead... VITTORI From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 17:22:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD9537B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E3B43F93 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:22:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501FBA91E; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:21:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8983246CD; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:21:55 +0200 From: Christian Brueffer To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Message-ID: <20030426002155.GJ26749@unixpages.org> References: <3EA6A630.6092.193F9512@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fjX3cMESU3XgGmZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26,Bellingham,Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:22:01 -0000 --2fjX3cMESU3XgGmZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 11:53:20AM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Dan Langille wrote: >=20 > > I don't know if it'll help or not, but I do still have these: > > > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/tmp/leaflet-english.pdf > > http://www.freebsddiary.org/tmp/leaflet-english.ps > > > > And they look like they are 8.5x11.... >=20 > I don't know what the PDF is, and the Postscript is A4. >=20 > My wife asked: "Can't you just copy and paste?" >=20 > I am installing scribus again so I can make some business cards; so I may > try copying and pasting to it (to make a new brochure). >=20 > I am also going to try to print some 11in x 17in posters for BSD advocacy > too. >=20 Do you have any images or sources of FreeBSD posters available? I would be very interested in those for various conferences. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --2fjX3cMESU3XgGmZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+qdEjbHYXjKDtmC0RAmLIAJ9hzykq+8jXcPJhqIZurv8B0i68ZwCgw47/ 32yhn1yiVAInx6SjhqJMty8= =gGez -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fjX3cMESU3XgGmZ-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 17:34:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F4537B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from community3.interfree.it (community3.interfree.it [213.158.72.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA22243F85 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: (qmail 1834 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 00:34:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (80.104.111.194) by mail.interfree.it with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 00:34:15 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: ".VWV." To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:34:52 -0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9BF40.5DF16B1@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3EA9BF40.5DF16B1@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304260134.52537.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:34:18 -0000 On Friday 25 April 2003 22:05, you wrote: > ".VWV." wrote: > > It's horrible, we could fear we have no Gods any more... I'll never m= ove > > from ufs or from an hypothetical future 'son'. I have been really tri= ed > > by not-properly-unix experiments. > > Well, there's always "Please submit patches"... > > -- Terry I have forgotten: don't let me submit evaluations of well known=20 unix-like-distributions, someboidy in Italy has written I'm a little=20 integralist. I'm only a mild authistic and perfectionist instead. See you= at=20 the next matter. 'Please submit patches'... When all of the data is lost forever. =A1Viva! VITTORI From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 17:41:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3419A37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF3343FCB for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <20030426004151003006dao4e>; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:41:51 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3Q0fssg054782; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h3Q0fkCh054779; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:41:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: ".VWV." References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <3EA9B589.AAD7A527@mindspring.com> <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 25 Apr 2003 17:41:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:41:53 -0000 ".VWV." writes: > > > I have noticed both BSD and Linux pre-compiled kernels cannot mount > > > read-write the other filesystem. It's a shame that a newbie could think > > > one is able to read, the other one is able to write. We know ufs was born > > > before ext. Some Linux distributions has also adopted ReiserFS on Linux, > > > that's really a not-unix filesystem. Why at PASC nobody has declared > > > what's the best standard? There is one pretty-good almost-filesystem standard which I've used successfully, namely "tar". You can write and read a tarball on an otherwise-unused partition (ie, raw device, no real filesystem) from multiple types of OSes. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 17:54:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDA737B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8743A43FBD for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:54:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02) with ESMTP id <2003042600543000200nvvv5e>; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:54:30 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3Q0sksg054941 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h3Q0scVc054936; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 25 Apr 2003 17:54:38 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: We can't find a FreeBSD brochure. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:54:32 -0000 This was discussed a bit on -chat a few days ago, but I thought I should note the problem here too. Several of us will be manning a BSD booth at Saturday's "LinuxFext Northwest" in Bellingham, WA, USA and couldn't find a BSD or FreeBSD brochure in "letter" format, preferably in one and/or two pages. It's too late for us now, but some advocates might want to get ready for the next chance. I'm not sure where they should be kept; preferably they should be findable via a new "Advocacy" link on the freebsd.org home page, probably on the left under "Support". There are some "A4" versions (mostly BSD) at "http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/". From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 17:59:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7FE37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from community4.interfree.it (community4.interfree.it [213.158.72.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFA7B43FE0 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 17:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: (qmail 29920 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2003 00:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linux) (80.104.111.207) by mail.interfree.it with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 00:59:20 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: ".VWV." To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 01:59:41 -0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200304250203.28738.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> <200304252345.55600.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304260159.41548.victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it> Subject: Re: ufs and ext X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:59:22 -0000 On Friday 25 April 2003 23:41, you wrote: > ".VWV." writes: > > > > I have noticed both BSD and Linux pre-compiled kernels cannot mou= nt > > > > read-write the other filesystem. It's a shame that a newbie could > > > > think one is able to read, the other one is able to write. We kno= w > > > > ufs was born before ext. Some Linux distributions has also adopte= d > > > > ReiserFS on Linux, that's really a not-unix filesystem. Why at PA= SC > > > > nobody has declared what's the best standard? > > There is one pretty-good almost-filesystem standard which I've used > successfully, namely "tar". You can write and read a tarball on an > otherwise-unused partition (ie, raw device, no real filesystem) from > multiple types of OSes. Since the tapes' era, 'tar' is really the only common resource. =2EVWV. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 20:22:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4772237B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E71943FBF for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <20030427032216003006bsaqe>; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:22:16 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3R3MNsi076598; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h3Q157kV055065; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Christian Brueffer References: <3EA6A630.6092.193F9512@localhost> <20030426002155.GJ26749@unixpages.org> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 25 Apr 2003 18:05:07 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20030426002155.GJ26749@unixpages.org> Message-ID: <3qel3q83wc.l3q@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 43 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD advocacy at LinuxFest Northwest, April 26,Bellingham,Washington, USA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:22:18 -0000 Christian Brueffer writes: > Do you have any images or sources of FreeBSD posters available? > > I would be very interested in those for various conferences. In case Jeremy doesn't have time to respond in a timely manner (he's probably preparing to leave to man a BSD booth tomorrow morning) here's some stuff he sent me last week. (Someone probably should add these to "http://www.freebsd.org/advocacy/index.html".) Posters -- http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/advocacy/ http://kimmo.suominen.com/stuff/netbsd/posters/ ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/hubertf/ ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/hubertf/poster1.cdr ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/hubertf/poster2.cdr http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~steschum/poster.pdf http://www.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~steschum/A0poster.cls http://core.de/~coto/poster1.pdf http://core.de/~coto/poster2.pdf http://nuxi.homeunix.org/NetBSD/Posters/ http://nuxi.homeunix.org/NetBSD/Poster/Combined/ http://www.fromme.com/ports.ps.gz ISO-A0-sized poster http://www.fromme.com/portscolor.ps.gz http://www.fromme.com/portscolorbox.ps.gz src/share/examples/BSD_daemon/poster.sh http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html#posters (where are posters to print??) http://www.bsdaemon.org/bsdpics/ http://zer0.org/daemons/ Fliers -- http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/advocacy/ http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html http://berklix.org/bim/leaflet/