From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 03:23:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF90E16A4B3 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606FF43F85 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 03:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9A27A880; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:23:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 7D1CC9C0BC; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id DC4049BFA9; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:23:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 9FA2EB84A; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:23:10 +0200 (CEST) To: Brad Knowles References: <2493.67.85.96.168.1064692382.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:23:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Brad Knowles's message of "Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:55:40 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: Glenn Sieb cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are people using for MUA's nowadays? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 10:23:18 -0000 Brad Knowles writes: > Moreover, it uses single carriage-return ("^M") characters as > an EOL designation, instead of the proper Unix > carriage-return/linefeed combo. The proper Unix thing is a single LF. DOS and Windows use the CR/LF combo; CR alone is a Mac convention. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 13:40:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD19416A4B3 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A594400F for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h8SKeJ6F043524; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:40:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <2493.67.85.96.168.1064692382.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:35:45 +0200 To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: Glenn Sieb cc: Brad Knowles cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are people using for MUA's nowadays? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:40:34 -0000 At 12:23 PM +0200 2003/09/28, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > The proper Unix thing is a single LF. DOS and Windows use the CR/LF > combo; CR alone is a Mac convention. I remembered that CR/LF were used in there somewhat, but obviously was wrong in where they were used. Sigh.... Makes you wish that there were international standards for these things that everyone had to follow. ;) -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 17:59:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5B216A4B3; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 141.com (mail.141.com [65.168.139.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860AC44053; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 17:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arlankfo@141.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:03:44 -0600 Message-Id: <200309281903.AA1315176636@141.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Andrew Lankford" To: X-Mailer: X-Declude-Sender: arlankfo@141.com [127.0.0.1] X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for spam. cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.holiday X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: arlankfo@141.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:59:37 -0000 Henry Plantagenet asks that you also remember to add in St. Crispin's day and some dude whose name I can't even spell has put in a request for Samhain :) Andrew Lankford From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 18:14:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87FE16A4B3 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBE84401F for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB93E2BD41 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:14:00 +1000 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D829351836; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:43:57 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:43:57 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Andrew Lankford Message-ID: <20030929011357.GN11520@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200309281903.AA1315176636@141.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cs5saTBZh7UZl2eX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200309281903.AA1315176636@141.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.holiday X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:14:04 -0000 --cs5saTBZh7UZl2eX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Single line paragraph. On Sunday, 28 September 2003 at 15:38:43 -0700, Greg Lehey wrote: > grog 2003/09/28 15:38:43 PDT >=20 > FreeBSD src repository >=20 > Modified files: > usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.holiday=20 > Log: > Add Michaelmas. On Sunday, 28 September 2003 at 19:03:44 -0600, Andrew Lankford wrote: > Henry Plantagenet asks that you also remember to add in > St. Crispin's day Strange. Which one? Henry II or Henry III? You'd think it would be Henry V of Lancaster, wouldn't you? Anyway, it's not nearly as important as Michaelmas, but who can refuse a dead English king? Done. > and some dude whose name I can't even spell has put in a request for > Samhain :) Hmm. That's more dubious. People are not agreed on the date, and it's not part of the Christian year. It really belongs in a (currently non-existent) calendar.celtic, which would need more than just that entry to be viable. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. 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Please send these as URLs. --cs5saTBZh7UZl2eX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/d4dVIubykFB6QiMRAoK8AJ9qdbUEmFaGRyCAKFIqLL42ahaXCgCgnJYP LVd+qoAJjHfdT0muJCmZtaY= =jImG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cs5saTBZh7UZl2eX-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 18:24:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB2716A4B3; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:24:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D41A44011; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h8T1Nx69056180; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:24:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030929011357.GN11520@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200309281903.AA1315176636@141.com> <20030929011357.GN11520@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:24:01 +0200 To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: Andrew Lankford cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.holiday X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:24:06 -0000 At 10:43 AM +0930 2003/09/29, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > Hmm. That's more dubious. People are not agreed on the date, and > it's not part of the Christian year. It really belongs in a > (currently non-existent) calendar.celtic, which would need more than > just that entry to be viable. Easily done. Just add the cross-quarter days. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 18:33:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB9016A4B3; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 141.com (mail.141.com [65.168.139.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150134401A; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arlankfo@141.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 19:37:15 -0600 Message-Id: <200309281937.AA748486988@141.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Andrew Lankford" To: , X-Mailer: X-Declude-Sender: arlankfo@141.com [127.0.0.1] X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for spam. cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.holiday X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: arlankfo@141.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 01:33:08 -0000 > Easily done. Just add the cross-quarter days. Perfect thing to go with phk's high-precision stone circle driver. Andrew Lankford From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 21:35:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C77E16A4B3 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk (tx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4BF43F3F for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from scan2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.162] helo=localhost) by tx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3pkX-0004Tm-KW for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 05:35:05 +0100 Received: from rx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.161]) by localhost (scan2.oucs.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.162]) (amavisd-new, port 25) with ESMTP id 17172-01 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 05:35:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.161.253]) by rx2.oucs.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A3pkX-0004Ti-72 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 05:35:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 11564 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 2003 04:35:05 -0000 Received: from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk by gateway by uid 71 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.71. spamassassin: 2.53. Clear:. Processed in 3.237815 secs); 29 Sep 2003 04:35:05 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk via gateway X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.16 (Clear:. Processed in 3.237815 secs) Received: from dhcp1131.wadham.ox.ac.uk (HELO piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk) (163.1.161.131) by gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk with SMTP; 29 Sep 2003 04:35:01 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20030929053024.02ce0008@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 05:34:56 +0100 To: Brad Knowles , des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: References: <2493.67.85.96.168.1064692382.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: Glenn Sieb cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are people using for MUA's nowadays? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 04:35:10 -0000 At 16:35 28/09/2003 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: >At 12:23 PM +0200 2003/09/28, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: >> The proper Unix thing is a single LF. DOS and Windows use the CR/LF >> combo; CR alone is a Mac convention. > > I remembered that CR/LF were used in there somewhat, but=20 > obviously was wrong in where they were used. Sigh.... > > Makes you wish that there were international standards for these= =20 > things that everyone had to follow. ;) International standards, such as the RFCs? Every text-protocol RFC I've= =20 seen has been pretty clear about requiring CRLF pairs. Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 28 22:24:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0982F16A4B3 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1C04402B for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8847D161; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:24:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id EAD569C8D6; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:24:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id E6E8A9C8D5; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:24:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 9C40DB84A; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:24:38 +0200 (CEST) To: Colin Percival References: <2493.67.85.96.168.1064692382.squirrel@www.wingfoot.org> <5.0.2.1.1.20030929053024.02ce0008@popserver.sfu.ca> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:24:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20030929053024.02ce0008@popserver.sfu.ca> (Colin Percival's message of "Mon, 29 Sep 2003 05:34:56 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: Glenn Sieb cc: Brad Knowles cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are people using for MUA's nowadays? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 05:24:46 -0000 Colin Percival writes: > International standards, such as the RFCs? Every text-protocol RFC > I've seen has been pretty clear about requiring CRLF pairs. RFCs are not Unix-specific. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 29 08:00:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A4B16A4B3 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (cpe-024-165-114-048.cinci.rr.com [24.165.114.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBDE4401F for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h8TF0jN5048158 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:00:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by www.bluecirclesoft.com (8.12.9p1/8.12.9/Submit) id h8TF0ih1048157 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:00:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:00:44 -0400 From: Marc Ramirez To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030929150044.GC67893@www.bluecirclesoft.com> References: <20030922104213.L335@www.bluecirclesoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030922104213.L335@www.bluecirclesoft.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: What are people using for MUA's nowadays? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:00:47 -0000 Just to follow up on the whole MUA discussion, since I know everyone has been waiting with bated breath... I tried several suggestions, and finally settled on mutt and SpamAssassin. I'm not much of a GUI person, anyway, and any chance to use regexes while handling mail... Thanks, everyone, for your advice! Marc. On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:50:07AM -0400, Marc Ramirez wrote: > > At 29 1/2, I feel like an old fart, because I'm still using pine. I know, > it's horrible of me. But it's the first thing I used when I got to > college and got my first UNIX account. And I've never really had a reason > to change. > > But after my Mavis Beacon diatribe the other day, I started feeling > ancient :), and I'm wanting to install some sort of spam filter, which I > know I'll have trouble integrating with pine. (It's amazing I haven't > needed one yet.) > > So, what are you young hipsters using to read main and filter spam? > > Thanks, > > Marc. > > -- > Marc Ramirez > Blue Circle Software Corporation > 513-688-1070 (main) > 513-382-1270 (direct) > http://www.bluecirclesoft.com > http://www.mrami.com (personal) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Marc Ramirez Blue Circle Software Corporation 513-688-1070 (main) 513-382-1270 (direct) http://www.bluecirclesoft.com http://www.mrami.com (personal) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 29 08:10:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A94116A4B3 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from a.mail.peak.org (a.mail.peak.org [69.59.192.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E62144003 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luomat@peak.org) Received: from webmail.peak.org (borg1.peak.org [198.88.150.130]) by a.mail.peak.org (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id h8TF9IUX086384; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:09:19 GMT Received: from 68.23.220.63 (SquirrelMail authenticated user luomat) by webmail.peak.org with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1203.68.23.220.63.1064848159.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20030929150044.GC67893@www.bluecirclesoft.com> References: <20030922104213.L335@www.bluecirclesoft.com> <20030929150044.GC67893@www.bluecirclesoft.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Timothy J. Luoma" To: "Marc Ramirez" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -1.5 () IN_REP_TO,PRIORITY_NO_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.29 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are people using for MUA's nowadays? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: luomat@peak.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:10:36 -0000 Marc Ramirez said: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:50:07AM -0400, Marc Ramirez wrote: >> >> At 29 1/2, I feel like an old fart, because I'm still using >> pine. I know, >> it's horrible of me. But it's the first thing I used when I >> got to >> college and got my first UNIX account. And I've never really >> had a reason >> to change. > > Just to follow up on the whole MUA discussion, since I know > everyone > has been waiting with bated breath... I tried several > suggestions, and > finally settled on mutt and SpamAssassin. I'm not much of a > GUI > person, anyway, and any chance to use regexes while handling > mail... > > Thanks, everyone, for your advice! So in ten years you've updated from PINE to MUTT ;-? Heh. Well, you're still ahead of me. On my shell accounts I still use PINE. Tried MUTT once. Decided it was more than I needed (well, PINE + procmail was all I needed). Enjoy TjL From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 29 18:57:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BAB16A4B3 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (cpe-024-165-114-048.cinci.rr.com [24.165.114.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4371343FDF for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:57:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h8U1vRFa041648; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:57:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by www.bluecirclesoft.com (8.12.9p1/8.12.9/Submit) id h8U1vR2N041641; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:57:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mrami) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:57:26 -0400 From: Marc Ramirez To: "Timothy J. Luoma" Message-ID: <20030930015726.GA18532@www.bluecirclesoft.com> References: <20030922104213.L335@www.bluecirclesoft.com> <20030929150044.GC67893@www.bluecirclesoft.com> <1203.68.23.220.63.1064848159.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1203.68.23.220.63.1064848159.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are people using for MUA's nowadays? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:57:30 -0000 On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:09:19AM -0400, Timothy J. Luoma wrote: > Marc Ramirez said: > > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 10:50:07AM -0400, Marc Ramirez wrote: > > > > I tried several suggestions, and finally settled on mutt and > > SpamAssassin. I'm not much of a GUI person, anyway, and any chance > > to use regexes while handling mail... > > > > Thanks, everyone, for your advice! > > So in ten years you've updated from PINE to MUTT ;-? > > Heh. State of the art in checking your mail from Minneapolis, I guess. :) -- Marc Ramirez Blue Circle Software Corporation 513-688-1070 (main) 513-382-1270 (direct) http://www.bluecirclesoft.com http://www.mrami.com (personal) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 29 20:58:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DD416A4B3 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112394401E for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h8U3vwfv038692 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:57:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:58:04 -0000 Okay! Who's been messing with my environment? But seriously, where is this variable set and why do I care? A quick find/grep in the usual places doesn't locate this variable. Later, Jason C. Wells (who was just poking around his system, since he hasn't _needed_ to do that in a long time) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 29 23:36:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BCF16A4B3 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5953143FB1 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:36:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from b_cassidy@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net ([68.214.80.129]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.netSMTP <20030930063630.IJYU1821.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:36:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:39:29 -0500 From: Bryan Cassidy To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030930013929.7bf1bb8b.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Stop Slacking wallpaper! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:36:34 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone have a link to get the OpenBSD stop slacking you lazy bum wallpaper? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/eSUhKjx9X0nK5vwRAhk3AJ9ocKN1thd02qIu97fvDgSl2lbkogCfTGGK jSmkVqdVb7pKdFmGEVAdLnM= =c3ua -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 30 06:13:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D277216A4C0 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu (msx.upmc.edu [128.147.18.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CFF43F85 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 06:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: by 1upmc-msximc2.isdip.upmc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4BA256918ACE7449BD7896E65711C88B41E81E@1UPMC-MSX8.isdip.upmc.edu> From: "Person, Roderick" To: "'Jason C. Wells'" , chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:13:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:13:26 -0000 Check you sysctl variables something like kern.version look along those lines, I'd think. Roderick Person Programmer (412)454-2616 personrp@ccbh.com http://www.ccbh.com "History doesn't have to repeat itself forever, though; there's no reason you can't replace the Makefile...." -- Terry Lambert from FreeBSD-Chat List..... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason C. Wells [mailto:jcw@highperformance.net] > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:58 PM > To: chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 > > > Okay! Who's been messing with my environment? > > But seriously, where is this variable set and why do I care? A quick > find/grep in the usual places doesn't locate this variable. > > Later, > Jason C. Wells > (who was just poking around his system, since he hasn't _needed_ to do > that in a long time) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 30 07:40:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB61916A4B3 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AA643FF7 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:40:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA6978853; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:40:48 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id C0F9E9BABC; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:40:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id BE1AF9B525; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:40:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 81888B84A; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:40:43 +0200 (CEST) To: "Jason C. Wells" References: From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:40:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jason C. Wells's message of "Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:57:58 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:40:52 -0000 "Jason C. Wells" writes: > Okay! Who's been messing with my environment? You ought to know better than to use telnet :) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 30 16:45:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB38816A4B3 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8E143FEC for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h8UNjbfv040685; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:45:44 -0000 On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Dag-Erling [iso-8859-1] Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > "Jason C. Wells" writes: > > Okay! Who's been messing with my environment? > > You ought to know better than to use telnet :) Oh I have that all taken care of. Authenticating with KERBEROS_V5 Remote machine has been mutually authenticated Kerberos V5 accepts you as jcw@STRADAMOTORSPORTS.COM Remote machine has accepted forwarded credentials Output is now encrypted with type ROT_13 Input is now decrypted with type ROT_13 :) Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 30 17:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798EA16A4B3 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta6.adelphia.net (mta6.adelphia.net [68.168.78.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289CB43FDF for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:09:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([24.53.179.151]) by mta6.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20031001000956.IOHE14485.mta6.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:09:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3F7A1B51.4010909@potentialtech.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:09:53 -0400 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030429 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:09:55 -0000 Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Dag-Erling [iso-8859-1] Sm?rgrav wrote: > > >>"Jason C. Wells" writes: >> >>>Okay! Who's been messing with my environment? >> >>You ought to know better than to use telnet :) > > > Oh I have that all taken care of. > > Authenticating with KERBEROS_V5 > Remote machine has been mutually authenticated > Kerberos V5 accepts you as jcw@STRADAMOTORSPORTS.COM > Remote machine has accepted forwarded credentials > Output is now encrypted with type ROT_13 > Input is now decrypted with type ROT_13 ^^^^^^ Are you serious? ROT_13 isn't encryption, it's a Caption Amazing Decoder Ring. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 30 18:49:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F2A16A4B3 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA7C43FFD for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h911nIHK040942; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:49:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <3F7A1B51.4010909@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 01:49:35 -0000 On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Bill Moran wrote: > Are you serious? ROT_13 isn't encryption, it's a Caption Amazing > Decoder Ring. What's wrong with ROT_13? Is there a sploit for it? I figure if the guys at MIT allow it, it must be just fine. That Sam Hartman is a sharp guy. Why do you ask? Later, Jason Legpuller From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 30 23:23:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2DF16A4B3 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD5C43F85 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by mail1.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8225F239A1D; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:23:44 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Brad Knowles Message-ID: <20031001062344.GC501@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9Ek0hoCL9XbhcSqy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Zer0 X-Purpose: For great justice! 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:23:45 -0000 --9Ek0hoCL9XbhcSqy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003-08-31 22:09 +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: >=20 > Is there anything else I've missed? http://zer0.org/daemons/ Greg --=20 Gregory S. Sutter Nothing is so smiple that mailto:gsutter@zer0.org it can't get screwed up. http://zer0.org/~gsutter/=20 --9Ek0hoCL9XbhcSqy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE/enLwIBUx1YRd/t0RAqajAJ4sao2hmmK706824J30h6kHq13ivwCaA3Mt EqYK1ikWeB/9ecfWCqUxwTc= =4Ca2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9Ek0hoCL9XbhcSqy-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 04:33:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5900B16A4B3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EC243FE3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 04:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([24.53.179.151]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20031001113333.BFGR27371.mta10.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:33:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3F7ABB8A.3050408@potentialtech.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:33:30 -0400 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030429 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:33:32 -0000 Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Bill Moran wrote: > > >>Are you serious? ROT_13 isn't encryption, it's a Caption Amazing >>Decoder Ring. > > What's wrong with ROT_13? Is there a sploit for it? I think it was born 'sploited. > I figure if the guys at MIT allow it, it must be just fine. That Sam > Hartman is a sharp guy. Why do you ask? Is this the same ROT_13 that Netscape mail used to use? ... that I (seriously) had a Spiderman decoder ring for when I was a kid? Am I getting it confused with something else? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 07:50:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BB716A4BF for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [69.58.128.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81CC43FD7 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nospam@hiltonbsd.com) Received: from [69.58.129.103] (helo=daggar.sbgnet.local) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A4iIv-0001ot-00; Wed, 01 Oct 2003 09:50:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:50:12 -0500 From: Stephen Hilton To: Bill Moran Message-Id: <20031001095012.7898752e.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: <3F7ABB8A.3050408@potentialtech.com> References: <3F7ABB8A.3050408@potentialtech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: jcw@highperformance.net cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:50:20 -0000 On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 07:33:30 -0400 Bill Moran wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Bill Moran wrote: > > > > > >>Are you serious? ROT_13 isn't encryption, it's a Caption Amazing > >>Decoder Ring. > > > > What's wrong with ROT_13? Is there a sploit for it? > > I think it was born 'sploited. > > > I figure if the guys at MIT allow it, it must be just fine. That Sam > > Hartman is a sharp guy. Why do you ask? > > Is this the same ROT_13 that Netscape mail used to use? ... that I > (seriously) had a Spiderman decoder ring for when I was a kid? Am > I getting it confused with something else? > Bill, I am just guessing about Jasons methods, but here goes. The authentication _is_ secure for telnet using kerberos, then he encrypts the telnet session with the decoder ring ROT_13 because the data flowing through the connection is not that sensitive, just the login credentials are felt by the OP to need a real level of encryption. My 2 cents, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 08:21:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8FB16A4B3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9515143F85 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.61]) by smtp.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:12:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3F7AF0BD.50005@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 10:20:29 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2003 15:12:29.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E0A5570:01C3882E] Subject: Should I read current-list? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:21:14 -0000 I run 4-STABLE on my servers, but recently I put FBSD 5.1-RELEASE on my desktop, (and I'm liking it ;-) I was wondering if reading current@ would be worth the time ... I'm not really intending to track the HEAD, but every once in a while there's something I wonder about. But, it's taking more and more time to get through the mail I get now (maybe I should quit aliasing it to 2 different boxen, heh...) Anyone got thoughts on the value of the -CURRENT list for a "noob" Desktop user? Thanks!! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 08:30:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10E616A4B3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta1.adelphia.net (mta1.adelphia.net [68.168.78.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE3643FF3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([24.53.179.151]) by mta1.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20031001153428.POBH22860.mta1.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 11:34:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3F7AF305.9010306@potentialtech.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 11:30:13 -0400 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030429 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." References: <3F7AF0BD.50005@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <3F7AF0BD.50005@daleco.biz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Should I read current-list? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:30:15 -0000 Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > I run 4-STABLE on my servers, > but recently I put FBSD 5.1-RELEASE > on my desktop, (and I'm liking it ;-) > > I was wondering if reading current@ would > be worth the time ... I'm not really intending > to track the HEAD, but every once in a while > there's something I wonder about. But, it's taking > more and more time to get through the mail I > get now (maybe I should quit aliasing it to > 2 different boxen, heh...) > > Anyone got thoughts on the value of the > -CURRENT list for a "noob" Desktop user? First off, -CURRENT is pretty low volume (compared to -QUESTIONS and other lists). However, I doubt that much of what goes on there would be of interest to you if you're not planning to track HEAD. And anything that is of interested you can probably find easily enough by searching the archives. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 08:56:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A987216A4B3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1334643FB1 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907E278FC7; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:56:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 50A899C0C8; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:56:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 432FD9C0A8; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:56:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 1C3F3B84A; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 17:56:33 +0200 (CEST) To: Stephen Hilton References: <3F7ABB8A.3050408@potentialtech.com> <20031001095012.7898752e.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 17:56:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20031001095012.7898752e.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> (Stephen Hilton's message of "Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:50:12 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: jcw@highperformance.net cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: Bill Moran Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:56:41 -0000 Stephen Hilton writes: > Bill Moran wrote: > > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > I figure if the guys at MIT allow it, it must be just fine. That Sam > > > Hartman is a sharp guy. Why do you ask? > > Is this the same ROT_13 that Netscape mail used to use? ... that I > > (seriously) had a Spiderman decoder ring for when I was a kid? Am > > I getting it confused with something else? > I am just guessing about Jasons methods, but here goes. [...] I think Jason's intentions, if not his methods, are pretty clear, given his signature: > > > Later, > > > Jason Legpuller Smile, you're on candid camera! DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 09:13:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6D216A4B3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA5743FE5 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:13:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([24.53.179.151]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20031001161314.PVJR10023.mta11.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:13:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3F7AFD17.3000604@potentialtech.com> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 12:13:11 -0400 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030429 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <3F7ABB8A.3050408@potentialtech.com> <20031001095012.7898752e.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: jcw@highperformance.net cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:13:13 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Stephen Hilton writes: > > >>Bill Moran wrote: >> >>>Jason C. Wells wrote: >>> >>>>I figure if the guys at MIT allow it, it must be just fine. That Sam >>>>Hartman is a sharp guy. Why do you ask? >>> >>>Is this the same ROT_13 that Netscape mail used to use? ... that I >>>(seriously) had a Spiderman decoder ring for when I was a kid? Am >>>I getting it confused with something else? >> >>I am just guessing about Jasons methods, but here goes. [...] > > I think Jason's intentions, if not his methods, are pretty clear, > given his signature: > >>>>Later, >>>>Jason Legpuller > > Smile, you're on candid camera! Well, I'll have to admit, he grabbed my leg and dragged me all over the place ... What a sucker I was ... I wonder if I still have that blowfish decoder ring around ... -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 13:08:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23C616A4B3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.pcnet.com (mail.pcnet.com [204.213.232.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105EE43FE9 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 13:08:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: from mail.pcnet.com (mail.pcnet.com [204.213.232.4]) by mail.pcnet.com (8.12.10/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h91K8hgG005567 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Eischen X-Sender: eischen@pcnet5.pcnet.com To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Programming language inventor or serial killer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: deischen@freebsd.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:08:44 -0000 Someone sent me this link today: http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/ I didn't fare too well. Sorry, it looks like it requires a flash plugin. Why anyone would want to associate programming language inventors with serial killers, I don't know... -- DE From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 15:20:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E33616A4B3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.covadmail.net (mx05.covadmail.net [63.65.120.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A76443FE5 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from strick@covad.net) Received: (covad.net 24302 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2003 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ice.nodomain) (68.164.195.54) by sun-qmail17 with SMTP; 1 Oct 2003 22:20:26 -0000 Received: from ice.nodomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ice.nodomain (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h91MKT1U000570; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@ice.nodomain) Received: (from dan@localhost) by ice.nodomain (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h91MKSkm000569; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:20:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Strick Message-Id: <200310012220.h91MKSkm000569@ice.nodomain> To: chat@freebsd.org cc: dan@ice.nodomain Subject: Re: Programming language inventor or serial killer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:20:32 -0000 > Why anyone would want to associate programming language > inventors with serial killers, I don't know... I can imagine a reasonable person becoming a serial killer of inventors of programming languages: BASIC, COBOL, etc... What about inventors of "operating systems": Windows 95, HASP, Windows NT, TSO, Windows 98, Windows 2000, etc... ? Dan Strick strick@covad.net From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 19:55:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352BB16A4B3 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B438643FCB for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 19:55:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.146]) by smtp.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 1 Oct 2003 21:46:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3F7B9376.8020604@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 21:54:46 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Strick References: <200310012220.h91MKSkm000569@ice.nodomain> In-Reply-To: <200310012220.h91MKSkm000569@ice.nodomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2003 02:46:52.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F642200:01C3888F] cc: dan@ice.nodomain cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Programming language inventor or serial killer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:55:34 -0000 Dan Strick wrote: >>Why anyone would want to associate programming language >>inventors with serial killers, I don't know... >> >> > >I can imagine a reasonable person becoming a serial killer >of inventors of programming languages: BASIC, COBOL, etc... > The most obvious one would be INTERCAL, right? ;-) > >What about inventors of "operating systems": Windows 95, >HASP, Windows NT, TSO, Windows 98, Windows 2000, etc... ? > > > Now *that's* more like it ..... KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 1 23:49:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE4016A4B3; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69443FB1; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 23:49:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (37.80-203-228.nextgentel.com [80.203.228.37]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B660179821; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:49:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 78F0D9C663; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (dwp.des.no [10.0.0.4]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id A0B5D9ABBA; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:49:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 7F1B0B84A; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:49:41 +0200 (CEST) To: deischen@freebsd.org References: From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 08:49:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Daniel Eischen's message of "Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:08:43 -0400 (EDT)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=8.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Programming language inventor or serial killer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 06:49:49 -0000 Daniel Eischen writes: > Why anyone would want to associate programming language > inventors with serial killers, I don't know... Probably because of serial programming language inventors like Niklaus Wirth: Pascal, Modula, Modula 2, Modula 3, Oberon... (though they're arguably all the same language at different stages of development) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 06:45:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D9E16A4B3 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67A043FD7 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:45:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h92Dj6HK044425 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:45:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20031001120445.1aaf62c4.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:45:14 -0000 On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Stephen Hilton wrote: > Jason, > > Seems like I fell for this at some point or another :) > > Do you actually use kerberised telnet with ROT_13 as the > encryption for the telnet session after authentication ? > > Is such a combination possible (not in theory :) I don't know that MIT Kerberos has such an encryption type. It does have encryption types that it warns against using. No. I do not use ROT_13 to encrypt my telnet sessions. Congratulations to Dag-Erling who's powers of observation snuffed me out. I never expected anyone to bite on my little ruse, but once someone did I decided it was OK to have a little fun with it by playing dumb. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 08:46:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C40516A4B3 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.pressenter.com (hermes.pressenter.com [69.58.128.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A289743FF9 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 08:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nospam@hiltonbsd.com) Received: from [69.58.134.140] (helo=daggar.sbgnet.local) by hermes.pressenter.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1A55f1-0002yw-00; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:46:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:46:35 -0500 From: Stephen Hilton To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-Id: <20031002104635.15b8eabe.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20031001120445.1aaf62c4.nospam@hiltonbsd.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:46:41 -0000 On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:45:06 -0700 (PDT) "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Stephen Hilton wrote: > > > Jason, > > > > Seems like I fell for this at some point or another :) > > > > Do you actually use kerberised telnet with ROT_13 as the > > encryption for the telnet session after authentication ? > > > > Is such a combination possible (not in theory :) > > I don't know that MIT Kerberos has such an encryption type. It does have > encryption types that it warns against using. No. I do not use ROT_13 to > encrypt my telnet sessions. > > Congratulations to Dag-Erling who's powers of observation snuffed me out. > I never expected anyone to bite on my little ruse, but once someone did I > decided it was OK to have a little fun with it by playing dumb. Well I certainly have to say that FreeBSD is one of the best "learning" vehicles that I have ever been exposed to <:) Cheers, Stephen Hilton nospam@hiltonbsd.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 10:15:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B33516A4B3 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net (firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954DC43FE1 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:15:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2ivfi2e.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.200.78] helo=mindspring.com) by firecrest.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A572a-0005id-00; Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:15:01 -0700 Message-ID: <3F7C5CE9.FDFD537A@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 10:14:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran References: <3F7ABB8A.3050408@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4f42ba7020b7cab26c60bdc9c4032d173a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: "Jason C. Wells" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:15:49 -0000 Bill Moran wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: > > What's wrong with ROT_13? Is there a sploit for it? > > I think it was born 'sploited. > > > I figure if the guys at MIT allow it, it must be just fine. That Sam > > Hartman is a sharp guy. Why do you ask? > > Is this the same ROT_13 that Netscape mail used to use? ... that I > (seriously) had a Spiderman decoder ring for when I was a kid? Am > I getting it confused with something else? It's a Caeser cipher with a periodicity of 13. The point is not to be cryptographically strong... it's to be able to claim that anyone who decodes the content is in violation of the DMCA. Therefore, you can, for example, post DeCSS in ROT-13, and if the MPAA or DVDA comes after you for the sources being a DMCA violation, you can point out that their decoding of the sources is a DMCA violation. I've personally been lobbying for a cryptographic type definition from IANA for a crypto system called "plaintext". 8-). -- Terry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 10:42:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE1C16A4B3 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta4.adelphia.net (mta4.adelphia.net [68.168.78.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACC243F85 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 10:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from potentialtech.com ([24.53.179.151]) by mta4.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with ESMTP id <20031002174247.ZWNC1341.mta4.adelphia.net@potentialtech.com>; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 13:42:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3F7C6394.6000805@potentialtech.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 13:42:44 -0400 From: Bill Moran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030429 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert References: <3F7ABB8A.3050408@potentialtech.com> <3F7C5CE9.FDFD537A@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3F7C5CE9.FDFD537A@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:42:49 -0000 Terry Lambert wrote: > Bill Moran wrote: > >>Jason C. Wells wrote: >> >>>What's wrong with ROT_13? Is there a sploit for it? >> >>I think it was born 'sploited. >> >> >>>I figure if the guys at MIT allow it, it must be just fine. That Sam >>>Hartman is a sharp guy. Why do you ask? >> >>Is this the same ROT_13 that Netscape mail used to use? ... that I >>(seriously) had a Spiderman decoder ring for when I was a kid? Am >>I getting it confused with something else? > > > It's a Caeser cipher with a periodicity of 13. > > The point is not to be cryptographically strong... it's to be > able to claim that anyone who decodes the content is in violation > of the DMCA. > > Therefore, you can, for example, post DeCSS in ROT-13, and if > the MPAA or DVDA comes after you for the sources being a DMCA > violation, you can point out that their decoding of the sources > is a DMCA violation. > > I've personally been lobbying for a cryptographic type definition > from IANA for a crypto system called "plaintext". Hmm ... why not do the same with "English"? "A method of encrypting complex ideas into a serious of sounds that can be represented by written symbols." I mean ... at that point, when somebody decrypts a message written in plaintext+english, you've got a _sure_ case. I mean, they circumvented TWO enctyption systems! -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 2 22:15:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E45716A4B3 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE5D43FDD for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@stradamotorsports.com) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h935F7HK045761 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@stradamotorsports.com) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 22:15:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" To: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3F7C5CE9.FDFD537A@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: Ack! SYSTEMTYPE=WIN32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:15:10 -0000 On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > I've personally been lobbying for a cryptographic type definition > from IANA for a crypto system called "plaintext". If you are going to do this please make sure that the key space is at least 26 characters. Anything less would be useless. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 17:51:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7E716A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dustpuppy.no-dns-yet.org.uk (unsupported.demon.co.uk [62.49.25.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD2A43F93 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:51:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alistair.sutton@ntlworld.com) Received: from dustpuppy.no-dns-yet.org.uk ([192.168.0.1] helo=falter) by dustpuppy.no-dns-yet.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A5adW-0003oK-00; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:51:06 +0100 Received: from ajs by falter with local (Exim 4.24 #0 (FreeBSD)) id 1A5adm-00032K-Av; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 01:51:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 01:51:22 +0100 From: Alistair Sutton To: Bryan Cassidy Message-ID: <20031004005122.GE651@falter> References: <20030930013929.7bf1bb8b.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pY3vCvL1qV+PayAL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030930013929.7bf1bb8b.b_cassidy@bellsouth.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stop Slacking wallpaper! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 00:51:08 -0000 --pY3vCvL1qV+PayAL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 07:39:29AM BST, Bryan Cassidy (b_cassidy@bellsouth= .net) wrote: > Does anyone have a link to get the OpenBSD stop slacking you lazy bum > wallpaper? I was going to suggest you read the entire 40+ page thread about screenshots on bsdforums.org but then I realised I wasn't that evil ;-) I've put them (or at least the ones I have) up on a friend's machine: http://www.no-dns-yet.org.uk/~everlone/slacking/ Enjoy! Alistair --=20 LJ : http://www.livejournal.com/users/everlone GPG/PGP: 6FA19F58 (http://wwwkeys.pgp.net) NP: Hot Rod Circuit - Two Hand Touch ( - If It's Cool With You, It's Co - 1= 999) --pY3vCvL1qV+PayAL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/fhmJqAB/lm+hn1gRAqbnAJ9u2IQlg+2Wj7x70/nD8LkT9HNZygCg2pFY qniIhk/Y4QQ2mDuy8BC1eks= =rs4H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pY3vCvL1qV+PayAL-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 3 19:41:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A0716A4B3 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D7543FEA for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:41:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h942fc71048000 for ; Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Limitations of Crunchgen X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 02:41:46 -0000 I am working on a picobsd-esque system. It works so far. So far I have only crunched binaries of /bin and /sbin with statically liked libraries. The system is halfway between picobsd and minibsd. The intent is to run specialized servers, i.e. DNS only, mail only, KDC only. The system would be bigger than the floppy sized picobsd and so storage is less limited at 64MB of compactflash, but still pretty small. Is there a limit to how much code I can crunch into a single binary? Are problems likely to creep into the system in mysterious ways with massive crunching? What are some of the operational issues of running a system with /bin,/sbin,/usr/bin,/usr/sbin crunched as one big binary? *** The rest is fluff, but I wrote it already, so you can read it if you like. *** If a binary turns out to be 4MB, it will take some time to load. If the binary never gets LRUd out of main memory, it will never be reloaded. That sounds pretty cool to me. Most of the programs in the crunched binary would rarely be run anyway. For example, once bind loads up and reads its zone files, it really doesn't need much disc access. The only time programs would be run is when I login to poke around. I am thinking it will be really nice to read from compactflash once and only once during execution of the first program and then never have to read from "disc" again. Is this a correct assumption regarding how this will work? /bin and /sbin are really no problem. When I started to look at doing this /usr/bin, I started thinking that maybe this is too much stuff to crunch into one big binary. I have read that swapping on compact flash is verboten. I read up on minibsd. I don't like the notion of dynamic linked /bin and /sbin. Plus I am not getting anywhere near the 6.7MB of extra storage consumption by linking statically that that author claims. Well, I have gone and done it. This email risks getting no replies because it's too damn long. I'll give it a go, then come back in a couple days with a two paragraph message. Later, Jason C. Wells