From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Jan 27 13:29:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0949D37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDFE43F7B for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:29:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RLTlOa015800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:29:47 +0100 (CET) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h0RLTkQR015799; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:29:46 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:29:46 +0100 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Daniel Lang Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp-master.eu in Europe Message-ID: <20030127212946.GA15632@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <7madhwmycn.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030124125143.GJ77634@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <7mr8b2g0cl.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030125122433.GB82693@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030125122433.GB82693@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Daniel Lang wrote (2003/01/25): > Further I will try to implement Littleboy's collection-files > to offer the FreeBSD archive via CVSup as well. Please, what do you mean by "implement Littleboy's collection-files"? I would like to setup CVSup too, but I know just cvsup-mirror port and I do not know if it is the best start point for FreeBSD archive? -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Jan 28 1:54:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EE537B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B119E43F75 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:54:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Received: from mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.8]) by mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A90659C; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:54:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.42.129]) by mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786E4473FD; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:54:26 +0100 (MET) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id 69975139AA; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:54:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:54:26 +0100 From: Daniel Lang To: Cejka Rudolf Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp-master.eu in Europe Message-ID: <20030128095426.GD86976@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <7madhwmycn.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030124125143.GJ77634@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <7mr8b2g0cl.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030125122433.GB82693@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030127212946.GA15632@fit.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030127212946.GA15632@fit.vutbr.cz> X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Rudolf, Cejka Rudolf wrote on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:29:46PM +0100: > Daniel Lang wrote (2003/01/25): > > Further I will try to implement Littleboy's collection-files > > to offer the FreeBSD archive via CVSup as well. > > Please, what do you mean by "implement Littleboy's collection-files"? Olafur Osvaldsson has described, how he has setup a CVSup server for the archive. My only concern was, that the manually created collection files may not be accurate and in sync with the ones on ftp-master. It seems that the person maintaining these files in ftp-master (is it Peter?) is not aware, that it might be very useful, if they would be published and even more, if they could be mirrored as well, just as it happens for the CVS-Repository CVSup mirrors with the 'self-supfile'. Anyway, it would be possible to use Olafur's (aka Littleboy) collection files to set up a CVSup server for the archive, no matter how accurate the collections might be. > I would like to setup CVSup too, but I know just cvsup-mirror port and > I do not know if it is the best start point for FreeBSD archive? Read back the archives of this list and look out for Message-ID: <20030124112429.GG66269@isnic.is> from Januar 24. HTH, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Work is for people, who don't surf - *Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Jan 28 1:57:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8787F37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761F843F43 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 01:57:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED5B24D02 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:57:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEC324D04 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:57:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E331E4814 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:57:51 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:57:51 +0900 Message-ID: <7mznplbnq8.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp-master.eu in Europe In-Reply-To: <20030128095426.GD86976@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <7madhwmycn.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030124125143.GJ77634@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <7mr8b2g0cl.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030125122433.GB82693@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030127212946.GA15632@fit.vutbr.cz> <20030128095426.GD86976@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.4 (Hosorogi) FLIM/1.14.4 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Kashiharajing=FE-mae?=) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.4 - "Hosorogi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:54:26 +0100, Daniel Lang wrote: > It seems that the person maintaining these > files in ftp-master (is it Peter?) is not aware, that it might > be very useful, if they would be published and even more, if > they could be mirrored as well, just as it happens for the > CVS-Repository CVSup mirrors with the 'self-supfile'. I'll do that. But I'm waiting to be determined the classification of mirror contents. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Jan 28 3:14: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E9E37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCE043F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:13:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Received: from mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.8]) by mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFDB638D; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:13:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.42.129]) by mailrelay2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6847473FD; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:13:56 +0100 (MET) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id 05B22139AA; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:13:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:13:55 +0100 From: Daniel Lang To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp-master.eu in Europe Message-ID: <20030128111355.GB87181@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <7madhwmycn.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030124125143.GJ77634@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <7mr8b2g0cl.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030125122433.GB82693@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030127212946.GA15632@fit.vutbr.cz> <20030128095426.GD86976@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <7mznplbnq8.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7mznplbnq8.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Jun, Jun Kuriyama wrote on Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:57:51PM +0900: [..] > I'll do that. But I'm waiting to be determined the classification of > mirror contents. Thanks. As you mention it, I recall that you mentioned that before. My apologies. ;) I agree that it's a good idea to wait until the restructuring of the archive is settled. Best regards, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Me transfere sursum, Caledoni - *Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 2:48:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9C237B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es (lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEF343F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.51]) by lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0UAmUm48705 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NO) for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:48:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0UAmv4n000399 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:48:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jose@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0UAmvuP000398 for hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:48:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:48:57 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: CVSup slower than rsync ? Message-ID: <20030130104856.GC246@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A few days ago I reconfigured our mirror (ftp3.es) to use CVSup instead of rsync, and I found that the mirroring process from ftp-master is noticeably slower with CVSup. It is a *big* slow down (typical daily update was done in about 20-30 minutes using rsync; now, using CVSup, the same process needs about 70-80 minutes). I would like to know if other mirror admins have noticed this slow down when switching from rsync to CVSup. Cheers, JMA -- ***** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ***** ***** "Go ahead... make my day" -- Harry Callahan ***** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 8: 1: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C8937B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from genius.tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B8043FA3 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:01:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@genius.tao.org.uk) Received: by genius.tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 82FB4433D; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:00:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:59:48 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Scott Long Cc: Sean Chittenden , developers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Statement regarding FreeBSD release ISO images Message-ID: <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> Reply-To: hubs@FreeBSD.org References: <3E2E58E8.7020903@btc.adaptec.com> <20030122191836.GC12075@perrin.int.nxad.com> <3E2EF005.9010107@btc.adaptec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iAzLNm1y1mIRgolD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E2EF005.9010107@btc.adaptec.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --iAzLNm1y1mIRgolD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [followups directed to hubs@FreeBSD.org] On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:24:53PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: >=20 > Please re-read my message. Our mirror network is a donated resource. > We can't go dictating to them that they need to buy more storage and > wider pipes in order to continue the 'priviledge' of mirroring for us. > They are the ones doing the favor for us, we are not doing them any > favors. We show our appreciation for their donation by being > considerate to their needs. >=20 It seems to me that the time may have come for a vertical splitting of the DNS name space in favour of sites that want to mirror only certain architectures. In envisage ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org, or ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org. Of course the DNS could be set up as: ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp.uk.FreeBSD.org ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp2.uk.FreeBSD.org or other permutations. Something like this would allow the installer software to still know where to go to install the bits, but would give more freedom as to who mirrors what. At the moment in the installer the user can select a site to install from, but there's no guarantee that it has the bits mirrored there. Joe --=20 Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ FreeBSD (cvs meister, admin and hacker) http://www.uk.FreeBSD.org/ Physics Particle Theory (student) http://www.pact.cpes.sussex.ac.uk/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D An eclectic mix of fact an= d theory. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --iAzLNm1y1mIRgolD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj45S/QACgkQXVIcjOaxUBaDnQCg0H7o3fXAra/mPd/bxD2DiRQK ihIAnjZ2+D9RFC7jlfo2bYRHDjwOD1Tl =2eQT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iAzLNm1y1mIRgolD-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 8:22:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E44237B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1FF43F79; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:22:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5D124D02; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:22:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C003724DD6; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:22:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867281E4814; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:22:25 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:22:25 +0900 Message-ID: <7mlm12a9q6.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Statement regarding FreeBSD release ISO images In-Reply-To: <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> References: <3E2E58E8.7020903@btc.adaptec.com> <20030122191836.GC12075@perrin.int.nxad.com> <3E2EF005.9010107@btc.adaptec.com> <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.4 (Hosorogi) FLIM/1.14.4 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Kashiharajing=FE-mae?=) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.4 - "Hosorogi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:59:48 +0000, Josef Karthauser wrote: > It seems to me that the time may have come for a vertical splitting of > the DNS name space in favour of sites that want to mirror only certain > architectures. In envisage ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org, or > ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org. Of course the DNS could be set up as: > > ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp.uk.FreeBSD.org > ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp2.uk.FreeBSD.org > > or other permutations. I think it's too complicated and difficult to maintain. I have a plan to re-organize ftp mirror listing in the handbook to one like http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html. This will be generated from XML file which contains: o hostname (URL) o geographical location o administration team mail address o responsible person mail address o mirror content class (e.g. full-mirror, release-mirror,...) The idea about mirror content class is in discussion at hubs@, not yet concreted. But classification by specific arch only may be possible. I think this XML will be put on the handbook directory, but if it will be useful for other software like sysinstall, should I put it on other place in src/? -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 9:25:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3C137B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFA943F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:25:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0UHPEu5089982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:25:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0UHPCW6072092; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:25:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:25:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200301301725.h0UHPCW6072092@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: jose@we.lc.ehu.es Subject: Re: CVSup slower than rsync ? In-Reply-To: <20030130104856.GC246@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <20030130104856.GC246@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20030130104856.GC246@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es>, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > A few days ago I reconfigured our mirror (ftp3.es) to use CVSup instead of > rsync, and I found that the mirroring process from ftp-master is > noticeably slower with CVSup. It is a *big* slow down (typical daily > update was done in about 20-30 minutes using rsync; now, using CVSup, the > same process needs about 70-80 minutes). The first update will naturally be slower, because CVSup has to figure out what you already have and create its status files. Subsequent updates should go faster. Also, it should help a lot if you add "-s" to the cvsup command line. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 11:50:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A72137B405 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from perrin.int.nxad.com (internal.ext.nxad.com [66.250.180.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D701143F43 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:50:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sean@perrin.int.nxad.com) Received: by perrin.int.nxad.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B2EEC2105C; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:49:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:49:50 -0800 From: Sean Chittenden To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Cc: Scott Long Subject: Re: Statement regarding FreeBSD release ISO images Message-ID: <20030130194950.GQ15936@perrin.int.nxad.com> References: <3E2E58E8.7020903@btc.adaptec.com> <20030122191836.GC12075@perrin.int.nxad.com> <3E2EF005.9010107@btc.adaptec.com> <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H7cT1SUwsqXggVRO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: finger seanc@FreeBSD.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6CEB 1B06 BFD3 70F6 95BE 7E4D 8E85 2E0A 5F5B 3ECB X-Web-Homepage: http://sean.chittenden.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --H7cT1SUwsqXggVRO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > [followups directed to hubs@FreeBSD.org] >=20 > of the DNS name space in favour of sites that want to mirror only > certain architectures. In envisage ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org, or > ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org. Of course the DNS could be set up as: >=20 > ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp.uk.FreeBSD.org > ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp2.uk.FreeBSD.org >=20 > or other permutations. >=20 > Something like this would allow the installer software to still know > where to go to install the bits, but would give more freedom as to > who mirrors what. At the moment in the installer the user can > select a site to install from, but there's no guarantee that it has > the bits mirrored there. That makes a ton of sense from the front-end user/sysinstall perspective. In a related e-mail that I sent to Scott, I suggested something similar for the backend of the mirrors system. If FreeBSD started maintaining rsync template files (exclude/include files) for the various different levels of commitment that a mirror wanted to make, it would provide them for an easy way to always track the most up to date/insync bits that they have an interest in without manual administration. Here are the various important bits from the other e-mail: ## Begin snip Potential fix for the mirrors: The wording of the hubs article should be changed so that there is a notion of tier two hubs that are listed, this is something that isn't currently done as far as I can tell, but is something that's on the hot list from what I can tell. In terms of ways of mirroring, it should almost be a requirement that all mirrors use rsync (both for bandwidth reasons, and for maintenance reasons). If a mirror is using rsync, it would be trivial for someone on the FreeBSD to update a series of rsync templates that way when a site goes to update, they fetch a template file that matches their desires and then they use that template to sync their site. *poof* Problem solved. All we'd have to do is update their sync scripts to use at the least a four command shell script: /usr/bin/fetch http://www.freebsd.org/resources/mirrors/rsync/excludes/[mir= ror_class_of_choice].exclude /usr/bin/fetch http://www.freebsd.org/resources/mirrors/rsync/includes/[mir= ror_class_of_choice].include /usr/local/bin/rsync --include-from=3D[mirror_class_of_choice].include \ --exclude-from=3D[mirror_class_of_choice].exclude \ [rsync_options_of_choice] \ rsync://[mirror_of_choice]/FreeBSD/ \ /opt/mirrors/freebsd.org/ /bin/rm -f [mirror_class_of_choice].exclude [mirror_class_of_choice].include We could even specify geographic mirrors for them based off of their region of the globe and could do it automatically based off of the requesting IP address. Hell, it'd be possible to build in their hostname into the fetch request so that we can automatically determine when a mirror updates _and_ what type of mirror they are. It'd be nice if our docs were always 100% up to date with respect to mirrors. I agree that bandwidth is a donated resource, but the problem isn't size of ISOs, the problem is mirrors aren't regulating what they taken in and the current setup requires maintenance for hubs. Put some managed files on our www servers and the mirror operators can go back to sleep. ## end e-mail As for what classes of template files are, a few examples, ideas: -[BRANCH]-[arch] -[CVSup collection]-[TAG] Automatically generating these files would be trivial. They could also be dynamically generated at request time, along with a little logging to see when a mirror has checked in and updated (my preference). -sc --=20 Sean Chittenden --H7cT1SUwsqXggVRO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Sean Chittenden iD8DBQE+OYHdjoUuCl9bPssRAmDTAKCk3p8Pq/Kvsl3S4yTkngD1Xog4ygCgoK+e Ta5argBO5W3S2JD1h9/ELng= =P9cq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H7cT1SUwsqXggVRO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 12:50:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5AB37B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AE243E4A; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0UKoI0i089620; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:50:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0UKoHUD089619; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:50:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:50:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301302050.h0UKoHUD089619@apollo.backplane.com> To: Josef Karthauser Cc: Scott Long , Sean Chittenden , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Statement regarding FreeBSD release ISO images References: <3E2E58E8.7020903@btc.adaptec.com> <20030122191836.GC12075@perrin.int.nxad.com> <3E2EF005.9010107@btc.adaptec.com> <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : :[followups directed to hubs@FreeBSD.org] : :On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:24:53PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: :>=20 :> Please re-read my message. Our mirror network is a donated resource. :> We can't go dictating to them that they need to buy more storage and :> wider pipes in order to continue the 'priviledge' of mirroring for us. :> They are the ones doing the favor for us, we are not doing them any :> favors. We show our appreciation for their donation by being :> considerate to their needs. :>=20 : :It seems to me that the time may have come for a vertical splitting of :the DNS name space in favour of sites that want to mirror only certain :architectures. In envisage ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org, or :ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org. Of course the DNS could be set up as: : : ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp.uk.FreeBSD.org : ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp2.uk.FreeBSD.org : :or other permutations. : :Something like this would allow the installer software to still know :where to go to install the bits, but would give more freedom as to :who mirrors what. At the moment in the installer the user can select :a site to install from, but there's no guarantee that it has the bits :mirrored there. : :Joe :--=20 :Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ I think it would be far easier to simply have each site create a resource files, /pub/FreeBSD/resources.txt or /pub/FreeBSD.resources, which lists mirror services available at that site. Then a simple script on freefall or hub could run through the list of download sites and collect all the resources file together into a master list. sysinstall (etc) could then use the master list to provide selections to the user. This would give sites far more flexibility. For example, a site might hold both the alpha and ia64 mirrors, and instead of having to pull CNAME tricks with someone else's DNS the administrator would need only edit a single file (/pub/FreeBSD.resources) on his site. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 13:11: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA1837B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.2.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B4443F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h0UL6sod105122; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:06:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200301301725.h0UHPCW6072092@vashon.polstra.com> References: <20030130104856.GC246@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> <200301301725.h0UHPCW6072092@vashon.polstra.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:06:54 -0500 To: John Polstra , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: CVSup slower than rsync ? Cc: jose@we.lc.ehu.es Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.3 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 9:25 AM -0800 1/30/03, John Polstra wrote: > >The first update will naturally be slower, because CVSup has to >figure out what you already have and create its status files. >Subsequent updates should go faster. > >Also, it should help a lot if you add "-s" to the cvsup command >line. I was wondering if cvsup-mirror should do something like add two crontab entries, one with -s and one without, or maybe add a if [ `date +%H` -gt 07 ] ; then options="${options} -s" fi to the update script, so -s is used most of the time, but there's still the full-checking done at least once a day. I imagine the two crontab entries would be more visible and thus better, but at the moment I've just added the if statement to the update script. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 13:15:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8B337B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from genius.tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF0943E4A for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:15:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe@genius.tao.org.uk) Received: by genius.tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id A36D7445D; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:14:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:14:50 +0000 From: Josef Karthauser To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Scott Long , Sean Chittenden , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Statement regarding FreeBSD release ISO images Message-ID: <20030130211450.GA43978@genius.tao.org.uk> References: <3E2E58E8.7020903@btc.adaptec.com> <20030122191836.GC12075@perrin.int.nxad.com> <3E2EF005.9010107@btc.adaptec.com> <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> <200301302050.h0UKoHUD089619@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301302050.h0UKoHUD089619@apollo.backplane.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 12:50:17PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: >=20 > I think it would be far easier to simply have each site create a > resource files, /pub/FreeBSD/resources.txt or /pub/FreeBSD.resources, > which lists mirror services available at that site. Then a simple sc= ript > on freefall or hub could run through the list of download sites and > collect all the resources file together into a master list. >=20 > sysinstall (etc) could then use the master list to provide selections > to the user. >=20 > This would give sites far more flexibility. For example, a site might > hold both the alpha and ia64 mirrors, and instead of having to pull= =20 > CNAME tricks with someone else's DNS the administrator would need onl= y=20 > edit a single file (/pub/FreeBSD.resources) on his site. >=20 Now that I like... File format anyone? Of course it would be possible for a savy script to do a survey of known ftp sites and generate the list automatically..... Joe --=20 Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ FreeBSD (cvs meister, admin and hacker) http://www.uk.FreeBSD.org/ Physics Particle Theory (student) http://www.pact.cpes.sussex.ac.uk/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D An eclectic mix of fact an= d theory. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj45lcoACgkQXVIcjOaxUBaZCACeM6H8ODJZFpqMvwSTnbpkWYhs 87wAoOAHQwcpWzRe/tSvKp421LQhjq/Z =LVgL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 13:43:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1738D37B405; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:43:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B77B43F85; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:43:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0ULh30i090057; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:43:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0ULh3wp090056; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:43:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:43:03 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200301302143.h0ULh3wp090056@apollo.backplane.com> To: Josef Karthauser Cc: Scott Long , Sean Chittenden , hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Statement regarding FreeBSD release ISO images References: <3E2E58E8.7020903@btc.adaptec.com> <20030122191836.GC12075@perrin.int.nxad.com> <3E2EF005.9010107@btc.adaptec.com> <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> <200301302050.h0UKoHUD089619@apollo.backplane.com> <20030130211450.GA43978@genius.tao.org.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org :> sysinstall (etc) could then use the master list to provide selections :> to the user. :>=20 :> This would give sites far more flexibility. For example, a site might :> hold both the alpha and ia64 mirrors, and instead of having to pull= :=20 :> CNAME tricks with someone else's DNS the administrator would need onl= :y=20 :> edit a single file (/pub/FreeBSD.resources) on his site. :>=20 : :Now that I like... :File format anyone? : :Of course it would be possible for a savy script to do a survey of known :ftp sites and generate the list automatically..... : :Joe :--=20 :Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ :FreeBSD (cvs meister, admin and hacker) http://www.uk.FreeBSD.org/ Well, the primary mover for sysinstall is its options. We have Release Name (e.g. "4.7-STABLE"), and internally we have the architecture MACHINE, which is usually "i386" or "pc98" and so forth. We also need to know what is being retrieved... i.e. is it an ISO or a SNAPshot/release for sysinstall, etc. Maybe: class,release,machine,path so, for example: SNAPSHOT,5-LATEST,i386,ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/5-LATEST ISODISK1,RELENG4,i386,ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/ISO-IMAGES/releng4.iso Where 'class' would represent some primary purpose. So ISODISK1 would mean that the path represents an ISO image disk #1 for the specified release and machine. This leaves the question as to whether a site wishes to store an entire snapshot or just, say, "base" or "boot" or something like that. I'm not sure how beneficial further breaking down the class would be but it could be supported by extending the specification: class[:list],release,machine,path SNAPSHOT:floppies:base:boot,5-LATEST,i386,ftp://my.local.machine/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/5-LATEST And simple wildcarding "*" and "?" could also supported. This is just a brainstorm. I'm trying to think of this from sysinstall's viewpoint. Sysinstall will know the release and the hardware and it will also know which subdirectories it is going to need access to when the user selects the distribution set to install. Combine that with the above format and sysinstall would be able to find a list of sites (or even a combination of sites) that support the request, possibly also including local repositories. In fact, it would be pretty cool if we could have some pseudo locators that an administrator would be able to program into his local DNS server to allow floppy installs within an office to automatically pull off the office's server. Something like adding 'freebsd.localhost.' to the servers list. I suppose sysinstall could figure all this out by going to the site directly, instead of us requiring a resources file, but I think the programming would be easier and the network traffic would be reduced with a resources file present. Another alternative would be to use DNS TXT records instead of a resources file. This would greatly reduce potential network traffic and make install-time scanning of potential download sites trivial, at the cost of a greater administrative effort. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 15:11:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C617437B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C7A43F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0UNBAMW078114; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0UNBAVL044679; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0UNBACg044678; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:11:10 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Cc: Scott Long , Sean Chittenden Subject: Re: Statement regarding FreeBSD release ISO images Message-ID: <20030130231110.GB44606@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <3E2E58E8.7020903@btc.adaptec.com> <20030122191836.GC12075@perrin.int.nxad.com> <3E2EF005.9010107@btc.adaptec.com> <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030130155948.GL41512@genius.tao.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [developers removed from CC] On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 03:59:48PM +0000, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > > Please re-read my message. Our mirror network is a donated resource. > > We can't go dictating to them that they need to buy more storage and > > wider pipes in order to continue the 'priviledge' of mirroring for us. > > They are the ones doing the favor for us, we are not doing them any > > favors. We show our appreciation for their donation by being > > considerate to their needs. > > > > It seems to me that the time may have come for a vertical splitting of > the DNS name space in favour of sites that want to mirror only certain > architectures. In envisage ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org, or > ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org. Of course the DNS could be set up as: > > ftp.alpha.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp.uk.FreeBSD.org > ftp.ia64.uk.FreeBSD.org CNAME ftp2.uk.FreeBSD.org > > or other permutations. Good thinking! I'm hardly in the position to rate it as I'm "just" developing, but it did have an immediate liking to it... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 22:14:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1800737B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C01443F43 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:14:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V6EcMW079739 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:14:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V6EccV001740 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0V6EchM001739 for hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:14:38 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Space for FreeBSD/ia64 snapshots Message-ID: <20030131061438.GA1658@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All, I like to make available a snapshot of the ia64 platform that's based on the sources on the development branch. This is needed for people to obtain an installable media for an ia64 machine that is not supported by 5.0-RELEASE. Snapshots are not made on a regular basis at this time and don't need extensive mirroring. I can simply put it on ftp-master if this doesn't cause problems for anybody, but in that case would like to know which mirrors will carry the ISOs so that I can direct people to the right site(s). If ftp-master is not the right place for this, is there a mirror that can be used instead? Thanks, -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 22:20:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF37F37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B36443F43 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id ECA6248E6F; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:20:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DA352D8D; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:20:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:20:29 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Space for FreeBSD/ia64 snapshots In-Reply-To: <20030131061438.GA1658@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Message-ID: References: <20030131061438.GA1658@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > for people to obtain an installable media for an ia64 machine > that is not supported by 5.0-RELEASE. Snapshots are not made on > a regular basis at this time and don't need extensive mirroring. > > I can simply put it on ftp-master if this doesn't cause problems > for anybody, but in that case would like to know which mirrors will > carry the ISOs so that I can direct people to the right site(s). If > ftp-master is not the right place for this, is there a mirror that > can be used instead? hi marcel, this needs to be put in a separate tree on ftp-master with a separate share (not anywhere under the FreeBSD/ area!) Jun (and a few others) came up with a good structure for how ftp-master propagates stuff out and for cleaning up the existing structure a bit to allow for requests like the above, where some mirrors can carry ia64, but we really want to limit it since there is a load associated with mirroring from ftp-master also. some additional information o how often will you be doing snapshots? o total size of the snapshot, broken down - disk space for isos (how many?) - disk space for release tree - disk space for package tree if the total is less than a gig (1G) then it's not going to be a big deal at all. if it is more like 2 or 4G then it is an issue. regards, -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 22:24:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617D737B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-115-74-80.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.115.74.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D68E43F43 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:24:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CBB67B7D; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B95F4759; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:24:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:24:35 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Space for FreeBSD/ia64 snapshots Message-ID: <20030131062435.GA8511@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030131061438.GA1658@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 04:20:29PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >=20 > > for people to obtain an installable media for an ia64 machine > > that is not supported by 5.0-RELEASE. Snapshots are not made on > > a regular basis at this time and don't need extensive mirroring. > > > > I can simply put it on ftp-master if this doesn't cause problems > > for anybody, but in that case would like to know which mirrors will > > carry the ISOs so that I can direct people to the right site(s). If > > ftp-master is not the right place for this, is there a mirror that > > can be used instead? >=20 > hi marcel, >=20 > this needs to be put in a separate tree on ftp-master with a separate > share (not anywhere under the FreeBSD/ area!) Another option is to use the current.freebsd.org snapshot server. Kris --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+OhajWry0BWjoQKURAlDdAJwPvX+KP+HypQg2CsveHznfP4zrcACfbGR5 sl/56hhctDffPWySSHntWgg= =JFyi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Jan 30 22:42:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6550537B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3C243F43 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V6gPMW079848; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V6gPcV001843; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0V6gPPp001842; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:42:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 22:42:25 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: jason andrade Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Space for FreeBSD/ia64 snapshots Message-ID: <20030131064225.GA1795@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030131061438.GA1658@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Jason, On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 04:20:29PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > > this needs to be put in a separate tree on ftp-master with a separate > share (not anywhere under the FreeBSD/ area!) Ok, no problem (assuming I have permission to put it there). > Jun (and a few others) came up with a good structure for how ftp-master > propagates stuff out and for cleaning up the existing structure a bit > to allow for requests like the above, where some mirrors can carry > ia64, but we really want to limit it since there is a load associated > with mirroring from ftp-master also. I understand. > some additional information > > o how often will you be doing snapshots? I don't expect more than once or twice a year, but let's say once a month to allow for unexpected growth. There's no intention to make it an automated process at this time. At this time I expect a new snapshot whenever there's a machine that cannot use 5.0-RELEASE or the latest snapshot for a successful installation. > o total size of the snapshot, broken down > > - disk space for isos (how many?) At first only miniinst.iso (300MB rounded up). I think a renegotiation is a good idea if the need arises to make more ISOs available. > - disk space for release tree Not planned. If user demand is high we can renegotiate. > - disk space for package tree Not planned. Again, if user demand is high this can be renegotiated. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Jan 31 1:58: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FAA37B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es (lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F0443F43 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:57:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.51]) by lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0V9vOm57527 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified NO); Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:57:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V9vrSU000312; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:57:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jose@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0V9gY2c000293; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:42:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:42:33 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup slower than rsync ? Message-ID: <20030131094233.GA257@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <20030130104856.GC246@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> <200301301725.h0UHPCW6072092@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301301725.h0UHPCW6072092@vashon.polstra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:25:12AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > In article <20030130104856.GC246@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es>, > Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > > A few days ago I reconfigured our mirror (ftp3.es) to use CVSup instead of > > rsync, and I found that the mirroring process from ftp-master is > > noticeably slower with CVSup. It is a *big* slow down (typical daily > > update was done in about 20-30 minutes using rsync; now, using CVSup, the > > same process needs about 70-80 minutes). > > The first update will naturally be slower, because CVSup has to > figure out what you already have and create its status files. > Subsequent updates should go faster. Of course, but I was referring to daily updates, and not to the first one. > Also, it should help a lot if you add "-s" to the cvsup command > line. Uh, oh. I should have RTFM. I'll try. Thanks, JMA -- ***** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ***** ***** "Go ahead... make my day" -- Harry Callahan ***** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Jan 31 6:49:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD3537B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from amun.isnic.is (amun.isnic.is [193.4.58.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5855643F85 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 06:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oli@amun.isnic.is) Received: from amun.isnic.is (oli@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amun.isnic.is (8.12.3/8.12.3/isnic) with ESMTP id h0VEnaYj057414; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:49:37 GMT (envelope-from oli@amun.isnic.is) Received: (from oli@localhost) by amun.isnic.is (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h0VEnVqh057412; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:49:31 GMT (envelope-from oli) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:49:31 +0000 From: Olafur Osvaldsson To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Space for FreeBSD/ia64 snapshots Message-ID: <20030131144931.GQ89868@isnic.is> References: <20030131061438.GA1658@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030131061438.GA1658@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.43-isnic Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel, On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I like to make available a snapshot of the ia64 platform that's > based on the sources on the development branch. This is needed > for people to obtain an installable media for an ia64 machine > that is not supported by 5.0-RELEASE. Snapshots are not made on > a regular basis at this time and don't need extensive mirroring. > > I can simply put it on ftp-master if this doesn't cause problems > for anybody, but in that case would like to know which mirrors will > carry the ISOs so that I can direct people to the right site(s). If > ftp-master is not the right place for this, is there a mirror that > can be used instead? I would think that the FreeBSD/snapshots/ dir on ftp-master is to be used for this, those that don't want snapshots can exclude that dir. But for the record, everything that is put on ftp-master is available on ftp.is.freebsd.org /Oli -- Olafur Osvaldsson Systems Administrator Internet a Islandi hf. Tel: +354 525-5291 Email: oli@isnic.is To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Jan 31 9: 4:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB5237B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E2343E4A for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:04:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0VH4Eu5095392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:04:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@vashon.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0VH4DBt073573; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:04:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:04:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200301311704.h0VH4DBt073573@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: drosih@rpi.edu Subject: Re: CVSup slower than rsync ? In-Reply-To: References: <20030130104856.GC246@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> <200301301725.h0UHPCW6072092@vashon.polstra.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > I was wondering if cvsup-mirror should do something like add two > crontab entries, one with -s and one without, or maybe add a > > if [ `date +%H` -gt 07 ] ; then > options="${options} -s" > fi > > to the update script, so -s is used most of the time, but there's > still the full-checking done at least once a day. I imagine the > two crontab entries would be more visible and thus better, but at > the moment I've just added the if statement to the update script. I used to have a patch to the script which touched a timestamp file to keep track of when it last did a non-"-s" update. It worked, but I didn't like it very much. One problem with doing it the way you showed above is that it may or may not work depending on the site's update frequency. It is worth revisiting, but frankly I have a dozen higher-priority items on my list at the moment. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message