From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 11:33:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236FB37B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31E443F75 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA2B2A8C1 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: hubs@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 11:33:12 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030608183312.BAA2B2A8C1@canning.wemm.org> Subject: 5.1 for amd64 is in the pipeline X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:33:13 -0000 This is a full release, but without packages. Well, only two packages - perl and bash2. It is pretty small (few hundred megs), I do not expect anybody to notice the space in the noise from package uploads etc. This heads-up is mainly in case people have platform lists in their config files somewhere. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 15:48:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DE637B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A098D43FDD for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5B366B9B; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54D00B35; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:48:09 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Peter Wemm Message-ID: <20030608224809.GB7634@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030608183312.BAA2B2A8C1@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E39vaYmALEf/7YXx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030608183312.BAA2B2A8C1@canning.wemm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5.1 for amd64 is in the pipeline X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:48:10 -0000 --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 11:33:12AM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > This is a full release, but without packages. Well, only two packages - > perl and bash2. It is pretty small (few hundred megs), I do not expect > anybody to notice the space in the noise from package uploads etc. This > heads-up is mainly in case people have platform lists in their config files > somewhere. Great work, Peter..you've made incredible progress on the port! Kris --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+470oWry0BWjoQKURAvvaAJ4pmNjGMp+4g6HXWLRmW2bPWG2hPwCfZ2VG Z6jii8t55QsDdKNVUYRMmzI= =51OZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 16:23:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE9037B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14F343FBF for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58NN79B061427 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h58NN7jt001527 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h58NN7Ya001526 for hubs@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:23:07 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030608232307.GA1493@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: 5.1-RELEASE/ia64 uploaded X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 23:23:08 -0000 Gang, 5.1-RELEASE for ia64 has been uploaded to ftp-master. The file mods are 770/660 as previously discussed. No packages are present for this release so we still have miniinst and disk2 only. Scott: Let me know when I can change the mods. FYI, -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 19:34:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70CB37B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw (muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.28.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167D843F85 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rafan@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CD284E2 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:34:38 +0800 (CST) Received: by muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 88DDE84C3; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:34:37 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:34:37 +0800 From: Rong-en Fan To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <20030606084536.GA85259@terry.dragon2.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030606084536.GA85259@terry.dragon2.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 02:34:40 -0000 On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 04:45:36PM +0800, Ying-Chieh Liao wrote: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:10:11 -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > i386 and pc98 iso and ftp bits are up with the restricted permissions. > > i386/5.1 and pc98/5.1-RELEASE ? > > why not all use 5.1 or all use 5.1-RELEASE ? I've noticed that pc98 & ia64 have ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE while others have ISO-IMAGES/5.1. Could we unify these names? From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 19:47:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A834837B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10A343F93 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 7F00F48E6F; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:47:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA5C52D95; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:47:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:47:30 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Rong-en Fan In-Reply-To: <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> Message-ID: References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 02:47:32 -0000 On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Rong-en Fan wrote: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 04:45:36PM +0800, Ying-Chieh Liao wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:10:11 -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > > i386 and pc98 iso and ftp bits are up with the restricted permissions. > > > > i386/5.1 and pc98/5.1-RELEASE ? > > > > why not all use 5.1 or all use 5.1-RELEASE ? > > I've noticed that pc98 & ia64 have ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE > while others have ISO-IMAGES/5.1. > > Could we unify these names? preferably to ISO-IMAGES/5.1 also, can we turn on permissions ? the ia64 bits and others seem to be open access now ? regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 20:02:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736E437B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc12.attbi.com (sccrmhc12.attbi.com [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC1D43F85 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:02:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.240.204.110]) by attbi.com (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2003060903021901200982sfe>; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 03:02:20 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5932J9c014470; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Message-Id: <200306090302.h5932J9c014470@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with nmh-1.0.4 To: jason andrade In-Reply-To: References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> Comments: In-reply-to jason andrade message dated "Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:47:30 +1000." From: "Bruce A. Mah" X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1118408381P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 20:02:19 -0700 Sender: bmah@employees.org cc: Rong-en Fan cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:02:22 -0000 --==_Exmh_-1118408381P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, jason andrade wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Rong-en Fan wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 04:45:36PM +0800, Ying-Chieh Liao wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:10:11 -0600, Scott Long wrote: > > > > i386 and pc98 iso and ftp bits are up with the restricted permissions. > > > > > > i386/5.1 and pc98/5.1-RELEASE ? > > > > > > why not all use 5.1 or all use 5.1-RELEASE ? > > > > I've noticed that pc98 & ia64 have ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE > > while others have ISO-IMAGES/5.1. > > > > Could we unify these names? > > preferably to ISO-IMAGES/5.1 >From what scottl told me briefly, this was a simple mistake. I'm not sure if it's worth fixing at this late date (i.e. if we rename them, isn't that going to cause a lot of thrashing as the mirrors re-fetch the bits with the corrected pathnames?). I'd rather that we had got it right in the first place, clearly. > also, can we turn on permissions ? the ia64 bits and others > seem to be open access now ? They are? ftp-master:5.1-RELEASE% pwd /pub/FreeBSD/releases/ia64/ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE ftp-master:5.1-RELEASE% ls -lsa total 740451 1 drwxrwx--- 2 marcel archive 512 Jun 8 16:08 . 1 drwxrwxr-x 5 bmah archive 512 Jun 8 16:00 .. 434880 -rw-rw---- 1 marcel archive 445087744 Jun 8 15:52 5.1-RELEASE-ia64-disc2.iso 305568 -rw-rw---- 1 marcel archive 312737792 Jun 8 16:06 5.1-RELEASE-ia64-miniinst.iso 1 -rw-rw---- 1 marcel archive 139 Jun 8 16:13 CHECKSUM.MD5 (Yes, I'm deliberately not answering your first question...) Thanks, guys! Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1118408381P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE+4/i62MoxcVugUsMRAiwvAJ9e/L7M/bsVP4x5G8lGVuA7+jPEggCg78N+ SeeSXrOBj4WbJJciJYURgaI= =0WV9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1118408381P-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 20:21:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB33A37B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic-mail.adaptec.com [208.236.45.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4685143FE1 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h592FjQ21356; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:15:45 -0700 Received: from freebsd.org (hollin.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.253.56]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13940; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3EE3FD39.3020308@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:21:29 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rong-en Fan References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <20030606084536.GA85259@terry.dragon2.net> <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> In-Reply-To: <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:21:15 -0000 Rong-en Fan wrote: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 04:45:36PM +0800, Ying-Chieh Liao wrote: > >>On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 02:10:11 -0600, Scott Long wrote: >> >>>i386 and pc98 iso and ftp bits are up with the restricted permissions. >> >>i386/5.1 and pc98/5.1-RELEASE ? >> >>why not all use 5.1 or all use 5.1-RELEASE ? > > > I've noticed that pc98 & ia64 have ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE > while others have ISO-IMAGES/5.1. > > Could we unify these names? > I'm ll in favor of unifying the names. There is concern that changing the names on the directories will cause the directory contents to be re-rsynced, however. Can some other mirror operators comment on this? With less than 11 hours before we announce, I hate to upset things. Scott From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 20:28:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0343B37B401; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4783143FBF; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 4D3DF48E6F; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:28:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A5F52D95; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:28:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:28:55 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: "Bruce A. Mah" In-Reply-To: <200306090302.h5932J9c014470@bmah.dyndns.org> Message-ID: References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> <200306090302.h5932J9c014470@bmah.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Rong-en Fan cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:28:57 -0000 On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > preferably to ISO-IMAGES/5.1 > > >From what scottl told me briefly, this was a simple mistake. I'm not > sure if it's worth fixing at this late date (i.e. if we rename them, > isn't that going to cause a lot of thrashing as the mirrors re-fetch > the bits with the corrected pathnames?). > > I'd rather that we had got it right in the first place, clearly. sigh.. my $0.02 is to change it by hardlinking the images into 5.1/ and then removing the older 5.1-RELEASE a bit later. but this of course won't help mirrors using ftp instead of rsync so i guess it's not all that great a solution to stop multiple syncing/deletion. hmm. IMHO the thrash factor is pretty low in this instance and it's worth being consistent before the announcement goes out. personally i have made everything consistent with ISO-IMAGES/5.1/ across all architectures manually, so i hope that is not a problem. > > also, can we turn on permissions ? the ia64 bits and others > > seem to be open access now ? > > They are? when i last looked (and synced) they were 644 on the iso images, but perhaps i was seeing things. can we get a fresh eta on when we should flip bits, if only because lots more stuff is now appearing in terms of different architectures etc. > (Yes, I'm deliberately not answering your first question...) hmm, well i'll leave it at that i guess. it'd be interesting to know how many admins are 'manually' going to be around for this release and how many are just relying on their automated mirrors. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 20:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6435537B401; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF04643FB1; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id E8AE748E6F; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:31:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53B552D95; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:31:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:31:16 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <3EE3FD39.3020308@freebsd.org> Message-ID: References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> <3EE3FD39.3020308@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Rong-en Fan cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:31:18 -0000 On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Scott Long wrote: > I'm ll in favor of unifying the names. There is concern that changing the > names on the directories will cause the directory contents to be re-rsynced, > however. Can some other mirror operators comment on this? With less > than 11 hours before we announce, I hate to upset things. > i think the total resync would only be ~600Mbytes ? which to me is acceptable. the more so if you post saying you are doing it and give mirror admins a chance to manually change directory names before you make the change - maybe an hour? the longer it is delayed, the more mirrors will have started fetching it.. it is a a simple mv command after all right ? nothing too onerous. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 20:33:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FFD37B401; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (castle.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F47943F75; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1])h593XFY86448; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:33:15 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) In-Reply-To: <3EE3FD39.3020308@freebsd.org> References: <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> <3EE3FD39.3020308@freebsd.org> X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 Emacs/21.3 X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20030322(IM144) Lines: 19 From: Makoto Matsushita To: scottl@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 12:33:12 +0900 Message-Id: <20030609123312U.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:33:18 -0000 scottl> I'm ll in favor of unifying the names. There is concern that scottl> changing the names on the directories will cause the directory scottl> contents to be re-rsynced, however. Can some other mirror scottl> operators comment on this? With less than 11 hours before we scottl> announce, I hate to upset things. Here's my proposals: * Apply temporary fix: 'symlink from ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE to ISO-IMAGES/5.1' immediately. * Some weeks later (4 or 6 weeks would be better), remove the symlink bandaid then rename the directory. * Have a meeting between release engineering teams, understands that we have a unified rules for directory names, but we did the mistakes again (remember 5.0-RELEASE). -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 20:38:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9A237B401 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic-mail.adaptec.com [208.236.45.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25AC43FE3 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h592XBQ01249; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:33:11 -0700 Received: from freebsd.org (hollin.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.253.56]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8p2+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17695; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3EE4014F.1020508@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 21:38:55 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030425 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Makoto Matsushita References: <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> <3EE3FD39.3020308@freebsd.org> <20030609123312U.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030609123312U.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:38:35 -0000 Makoto Matsushita wrote: > scottl> I'm ll in favor of unifying the names. There is concern that > scottl> changing the names on the directories will cause the directory > scottl> contents to be re-rsynced, however. Can some other mirror > scottl> operators comment on this? With less than 11 hours before we > scottl> announce, I hate to upset things. > > Here's my proposals: > > * Apply temporary fix: 'symlink from ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE to > ISO-IMAGES/5.1' immediately. > * Some weeks later (4 or 6 weeks would be better), remove the symlink > bandaid then rename the directory. > * Have a meeting between release engineering teams, understands that > we have a unified rules for directory names, but we did the mistakes > again (remember 5.0-RELEASE). > > -- - > Makoto `MAR' Matsushita > Sounds like excellent advice. I'll remember to write it down as a TODO this time =-) Scott From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 22:31:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E040D37B401; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BD643FA3; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h595VWhS001351; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h595VWHu071277; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h595VVtn071259; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:31:30 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20030609053130.GA69487@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <20030609023437.GA25227@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> <200306090302.h5932J9c014470@bmah.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: Rong-en Fan cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 05:31:37 -0000 On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 01:28:55PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > > > preferably to ISO-IMAGES/5.1 > > > > >From what scottl told me briefly, this was a simple mistake. I'm not > > sure if it's worth fixing at this late date (i.e. if we rename them, > > isn't that going to cause a lot of thrashing as the mirrors re-fetch > > the bits with the corrected pathnames?). > > > > I'd rather that we had got it right in the first place, clearly. > > sigh.. my $0.02 is to change it by hardlinking the images into > 5.1/ and then removing the older 5.1-RELEASE a bit later. > > but this of course won't help mirrors using ftp instead of rsync > so i guess it's not all that great a solution to stop multiple > syncing/deletion. hmm. IMHO the thrash factor is pretty low > in this instance and it's worth being consistent before the > announcement goes out. > > personally i have made everything consistent with ISO-IMAGES/5.1/ > across all architectures manually, so i hope that is not a problem. I prefer "local" consistency over global consistency, with which I mean that if there's an ia64/5.0-RELEASE directory already, we should call it ia64/5.1-RELEASE and not ia64/5.1 even if there's an i386/5.1 > > They are? > > when i last looked (and synced) they were 644 on the iso images, but > perhaps i was seeing things. You may have been syncing in the middle of uploading. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 23:05:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C96837B401; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EF243FDD; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za) Received: from zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (localhost [IPv6:::1]) h5964w5v024489; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:04:58 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5964vcK024488; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:04:57 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jhay) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:04:57 +0200 From: John Hay To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20030609060457.GA24409@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <3EE15336.5020706@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EE15336.5020706@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: re@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 06:05:04 -0000 Hi Scott, Shouldn't the link inside releases/i386/5.1-RELEASE/ be called packages rather than packages-5.1-release? John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za / jhay@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 8 23:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C054A37B401; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from builder.freebsdmall.com (builder.freebsdmall.com [65.86.180.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAE543FB1; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@builder.freebsdmall.com) Received: by builder.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id E8AAF1503; Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:18:18 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: John Hay Message-ID: <20030609061818.GY390@freebsdmall.com> References: <3EDF7E79.3000501@freebsd.org> <7mn0gw9ni0.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <3EDFE735.30604@freebsd.org> <3EE04C63.30203@freebsd.org> <3EE15336.5020706@freebsd.org> <20030609060457.GA24409@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030609060457.GA24409@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: re@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time for 5.1-R bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 06:18:20 -0000 On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 08:04:57AM +0200, John Hay wrote: > Shouldn't the link inside releases/i386/5.1-RELEASE/ be called packages > rather than packages-5.1-release? Yes it should, I've just corrected this. - Murray From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 06:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975D037B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFF843FD7 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6C066B9B for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6E8F3B73; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:29:05 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030609132905.GA93057@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: sparc64 and ia64 packages uploaded X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 13:29:06 -0000 --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline 5.1-RELEASE sparc64 and ia64 packages are in place on ftp-master. Please sync up as soon as you can. Thanks, Kris --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+5IugWry0BWjoQKURAlPXAJ4v1ofa5sWJQWlN1TVJ7KrpWT0McACg2L3S IJCobI4P2S+GugT0RVxQ/aQ= =cWX7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 08:09:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A7E37B421 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.gnf.org (ns1.gnf.org [63.196.132.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C189643FA3 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org (exch01.lj.gnf.org [172.25.10.19]) by ns1.gnf.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h59F8vtF029370 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from roark.gnf.org ([172.25.24.15]) by EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:08:57 -0700 Received: from roark.gnf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59F8vNb051171; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: (from gtetlow@localhost) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h59F8umX051170; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:08:56 -0700 From: Gordon Tetlow To: Damjan Marion Message-ID: <20030609150856.GV691@roark.gnf.org> References: <5896D609E682954B8B3DB4BB513EDCEE01AF822E@trinity.iskon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kUw25p3LpPv7dNi6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5896D609E682954B8B3DB4BB513EDCEE01AF822E@trinity.iskon.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to . X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2003 15:08:57.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CD38A90:01C32E99] cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 1st Croatian mirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:09:01 -0000 --kUw25p3LpPv7dNi6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 06:04:19PM +0200, Damjan Marion wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have mirror of complete FreeBSD fileset. This mirror is first > mirror in Croatia so hr.freebsd.org domain doesn't exist. >=20 > Is posible to got hr.freebsd.org for my mirror? Please contact dnsadm@ about this request. -gordon --kUw25p3LpPv7dNi6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+5KMIRu2t9DV9ZfsRAvDUAKCPyfq6WZ1Y/sgDrTvy9oUyd62zhQCghg83 40H38n49EyeOehYNaUzzOcw= =jC4S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kUw25p3LpPv7dNi6-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 08:12:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B986F37B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5850243FE5; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottl@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (scottl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h59FCLUp035194; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scottl@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from scottl@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h59FCLCa035193; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Long Message-Id: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hubs@freebsd.org cc: beastie.tdk.net@FreeBSD.org cc: peter_losher@isc.org Subject: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:12:22 -0000 Hubs, Due to network problems I didn't unmask the permissions on the 5.1-R files until about 30 minutes ago. As of right now, it looks like only ftp2 has the permissions unmasked. Please go ahead and adjust this locally on your mirrors so I can send out the announcement. Thanks! Scott From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 08:15:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4567E37B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carrick.bishnet.net (carrick.bishnet.net [217.204.9.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF1D43F85; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tdb@carrick.bishnet.net) Received: from tdb by carrick.bishnet.net with local (Exim 4.20) id 19POMM-000045-ON; Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:14:58 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:14:58 +0100 From: Tim Bishop To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20030609151458.GT61202@carrick.bishnet.net> References: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Key: 0x5AE7D984 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1453 086E 9376 1A50 ECF6 AE05 7DCE D659 5AE7 D984 Sender: "T.D.Bishop" X-Bishnet-MailScanner-Information: Contact postmaster@bishnet.net X-Bishnet-MailScanner-VirusCheck: Found to be clean cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:15:04 -0000 On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 08:12:21AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > Hubs, > > Due to network problems I didn't unmask the permissions on the 5.1-R > files until about 30 minutes ago. As of right now, it looks like only > ftp2 has the permissions unmasked. Please go ahead and adjust this > locally on your mirrors so I can send out the announcement. ftp2.uk does. I did it by hand at the requested time. Cheers, Tim. -- Tim Bishop http://www.bishnet.net/tim PGP Key: 0x5AE7D984 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 08:18:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CB037B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from terry.dorm11.nctu.edu.tw (Terry.Dorm11.NCTU.edu.tw [140.113.192.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3840643F85; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ijliao@terry.dorm11.nctu.edu.tw) Received: by terry.dorm11.nctu.edu.tw (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 621EC3D15; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:18:11 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:18:11 +0800 From: Ying-Chieh Liao To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20030609151811.GB12059@terry.dragon2.net> References: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J/dobhs11T7y2rNN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-BETA i386 X-PGP-Key-Location: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x11C02382 X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: 4E98 55CC 2866 7A90 EFD7 9DA5 ACC6 0165 11C0 2382 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:18:09 -0000 --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 08:12:21 -0700, Scott Long wrote: > Due to network problems I didn't unmask the permissions on the 5.1-R > files until about 30 minutes ago. As of right now, it looks like only > ftp2 has the permissions unmasked. Please go ahead and adjust this > locally on your mirrors so I can send out the announcement. ftp.tw is ok -- self-producing in python : l='l=%s;print l%%`l`';print l%`l` -- Frank Stajano --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+5KUzrMYBZRHAI4IRAgMuAKC56FgGeftH1h5FWfgzfN3n/oDwngCgtQu2 nh50lV1Cnt1HHw/90tRC58Q= =HLJH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 08:23:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECA037B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A8143F75; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (wnetwv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h59FNIB5046171; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:23:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h59FNIjb046169; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:23:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200306091523.h59FNIjb046169@lurza.secnetix.de> To: scottl@freebsd.org (Scott Long) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:23:18 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030609151458.GT61202@carrick.bishnet.net> from "Tim Bishop" at Jun 09, 2003 04:14:58 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:23:21 -0000 Tim Bishop wrote: > On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 08:12:21AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > > Due to network problems I didn't unmask the permissions on the 5.1-R > > files until about 30 minutes ago. As of right now, it looks like only > > ftp2 has the permissions unmasked. Please go ahead and adjust this > > locally on your mirrors so I can send out the announcement. > > ftp2.uk does. I did it by hand at the requested time. ftp7.de does, too. I also did it by hand. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. Encrypting transactions on the Internet is the equivalent of arranging an armored car to deliver credit-card information from someone living in a cardboard box to someone living on a park bench. -- Eugene Spafford (computer scientist, Purdue Univ.) From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 08:33:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC06237B40B; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw (muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.28.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A6D43F93; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rafan@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788628529; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:33:51 +0800 (CST) Received: by muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 782C884C3; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:33:50 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:33:50 +0800 From: Rong-en Fan To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20030609153350.GA8183@muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw> References: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at muse.csie.ntu.edu.tw cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:33:54 -0000 On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 08:12:21AM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > Hubs, > > Due to network problems I didn't unmask the permissions on the 5.1-R > files until about 30 minutes ago. As of right now, it looks like only > ftp2 has the permissions unmasked. Please go ahead and adjust this > locally on your mirrors so I can send out the announcement. > ftp6.tw ok. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 08:47:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F57137B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rc.isc.org (rc.isc.org [204.152.187.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0859643FCB; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [2001:4f8:3:bb:290:27ff:fe73:8215]) by rc.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5552C4F; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:45:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) Received: by farside.isc.org (Postfix, from userid 10188) id A1832A85D; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF19A85C; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plosher@isc.org) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:47:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Peter Losher To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20030609154736.V82160@farside.isc.org> References: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: beastie.tdk.net@FreeBSD.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: peter_losher@isc.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 15:47:50 -0000 On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Scott Long wrote: > Due to network problems I didn't unmask the permissions on the 5.1-R > files until about 30 minutes ago. As of right now, it looks like only > ftp2 has the permissions unmasked. Please go ahead and adjust this > locally on your mirrors so I can send out the announcement. Done here... -- Peter_Losher@isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 09:47:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83EE237B4A7; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es (lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF91343FBF; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (titan.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.155]) (authenticated bits=0) by lucifer.we.lc.ehu.es (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h59Gl3pr095823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:47:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:46:58 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: Scott Long From: "Jose M. Alcaide" In-Reply-To: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: beastie.tdk.net@freebsd.org cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: peter_losher@isc.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:47:14 -0000 El lunes, 9 juni, 2003, a las 17:12 Europe/Madrid, Scott Long escribi=F3: > Due to network problems I didn't unmask the permissions on the 5.1-R > files until about 30 minutes ago. As of right now, it looks like only > ftp2 has the permissions unmasked. Please go ahead and adjust this > locally on your mirrors so I can send out the announcement. Done at ftp3.es.freebsd.org. -- ***** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ***** ***** "Go ahead... make my day" -- Harry Callahan ***** From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 09:53:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E45B37B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8531243F3F; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesper@skriver.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C21CA38350; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:53:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 18:53:28 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Message-ID: <20030609165328.GC47753@skriver.dk> References: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub cc: beastie@tdk.net cc: Scott Long cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: peter_losher@isc.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 16:53:31 -0000 On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 06:46:58PM +0200, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > El lunes, 9 juni, 2003, a las 17:12 Europe/Madrid, Scott Long escribió: > >Due to network problems I didn't unmask the permissions on the 5.1-R > >files until about 30 minutes ago. As of right now, it looks like only > >ftp2 has the permissions unmasked. Please go ahead and adjust this > >locally on your mirrors so I can send out the announcement. > > Done at ftp3.es.freebsd.org. Done at ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org ftp.FreeBSD.org (The Danish part of it aka 62.243.72.50) /Jesper From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 10:56:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE90037B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mailbox.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B19443F3F; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 10:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at (dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.202.202]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h59Hu5te131350; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:56:12 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:56:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mailbox 4244; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:56:21 -0000 Hi Scott, -hubs, On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Scott Long wrote: [ ... ] > Availability > - ------------ > images. We can't promise that all the mirror sites will carry the > larger ISO images, but they will at least be available from: > [ ... ] > ftp://ftp.cz.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ Currently, ftp.cz is still at 770 permissions, ftp-master.cz ditto, so I had to do the bit flip by hand. Probably Rudolf is on holiday, like I am :-) > FreeBSD is also available via anonymous FTP from mirror sites in the > following countries: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, For future releases: who do I have to poke to get Austria listed here as well? :-) regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 15:11:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE14E37B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E26B43FA3; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 8154D48E6F; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:11:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E05E52D95; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:11:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:11:34 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <20030609165328.GC47753@skriver.dk> Message-ID: References: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609165328.GC47753@skriver.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.1 permissions X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:11:41 -0000 On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Jesper Skriver wrote: > Done at > > ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org > ftp.FreeBSD.org (The Danish part of it aka 62.243.72.50) > done at ftp.au.freebsd.org and good morning.. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 15:47:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF4637B407 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7583243FBF for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 8E57C48E6F; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:47:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7DE52D95 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:47:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:47:42 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200306091512.h59FCLCa035193@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: 5.1-R out - thanks X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 22:47:48 -0000 I'd just like to say 'congrats' on getting 5.1-R out the door and for the time and effort put in by the FreeBSD people in co-ordinating a mirror release. This has been an important step in managing the FreeBSD releases to the end users by making best use of mirrors and available bandwidth at diverse locations. In particular, thanks to the FreeBSD release engineers who posted frequent updates on the various arch's release/upload status and to Scott/Murray/Bruce and Peter/Jun, it was really appreciated. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 23:45:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7951737B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DC543F93; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A6j8f6025640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:45:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h5A6j7VE025639; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:45:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:45:07 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Lukas Ertl Message-ID: <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:45:12 -0000 Hello, and good morning to Lukas and all others ;o) Permissions on ftp-master.cz and ftp.cz should be fixed now. Lukas Ertl wrote (2003/06/09): > Currently, ftp.cz is still at 770 permissions, ftp-master.cz ditto, so I > had to do the bit flip by hand. > > Probably Rudolf is on holiday, like I am :-) I'm not :-) I just had a good evening with a nice girl ;o) Mail "FreeBSD 5.1 permissions" unfortunately arrived 12 minutes after I leaved the keyboard and when I lastly checked permissions on ftp-master... The problem with an automatic update of permissions by cvsup is that there were massive data updates on ftp-master (including new round of packages-4-stable) and there is still one update cvsup run since 2003-06-08 15:00:00 CEST (now I have 2003-06-10 08:38:27 CEST). Furthermore, it seems to me that ftp-master is really overloaded, because I have seen several "Inactivity timeout" (so I afraid about huge swapping) and "Rejected by server: Access limit exceeded; try again later" on the client side. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to check the server side. On the other side, ftp-master.cz.FreeBSD.org has free bandwidth and system resources ( http://ftp-master.cz.FreeBSD.org/stats/ is (??? should be :o) open to everybody since some longer time ago), even for rsync. So please, mainly European sites, help to reduce load of ftp-master by switching to ftp-master.cz ;o) If you have problems with access, please contact me. Thanks. -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 23:54:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DD837B401; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B1643FB1; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E809F66B9B; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D39A7B73; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:54:25 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Cejka Rudolf Message-ID: <20030610065425.GA97615@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:54:27 -0000 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 08:45:07AM +0200, Cejka Rudolf wrote: > The problem with an automatic update of permissions by cvsup is that > there were massive data updates on ftp-master (including new round of > packages-4-stable) Oops, I hadn't intended to upload the new 4.x packages yet. Sorry about the spam. Kris --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+5YChWry0BWjoQKURAjQzAKDuJVsE9CguEi8D5NQBNbprtaUfcwCg1Xvv SGp8bWvglNQRz0ATw/+XBoM= =eKqI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 9 23:58:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA6337B401 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6DC43F3F for ; Mon, 9 Jun 2003 23:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E480C4256 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:58:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409384255 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:58:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D5D1E4643 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:58:22 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:58:21 +0900 Message-ID: <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:58:25 -0000 At Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:45:07 +0200, Cejka Rudolf wrote: > The problem with an automatic update of permissions by cvsup is that > there were massive data updates on ftp-master (including new round of > packages-4-stable) and there is still one update cvsup run since > 2003-06-08 15:00:00 CEST (now I have 2003-06-10 08:38:27 CEST). > Furthermore, it seems to me that ftp-master is really overloaded, > because I have seen several "Inactivity timeout" (so I afraid about > huge swapping) and "Rejected by server: Access limit exceeded; try > again later" on the client side. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to > check the server side. I got same results between ftp-master and ftp-master. I'm tracking this down, but I don't have exact reason yet. When I'm looking top(1) status, sometimes cvsupd process has 600MB over memory size. It's strange because usually cvsupd requires 10KB - 30KB. Over 600MB is not permanent. Such process has little memory in another time. Hmm... "Access limit exceeded" after "Inactivity timeout" may be what you guessed. When I got "Inactivity timeout", client process has died, but server process is still remain on ftp-master. After some minutes, it died. And then I can connect again. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 00:04:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BB337B404 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE71B43FB1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5A748f6027436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h5A748l6027435; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:07 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Jun Kuriyama Message-ID: <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:04:12 -0000 Jun Kuriyama wrote (2003/06/10): > When I'm looking top(1) status, sometimes cvsupd process has 600MB > over memory size. I have seen big cvsup(d) memory usage (bigger than usual rsync), when cvsup is run for the first time on mirror site, when everything has to be synchronized and checked. -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 00:11:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9524B37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A4A43FDF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1409340F2 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65AED40C1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:11:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E851E460E for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:11:47 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:11:47 +0900 Message-ID: <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:11:49 -0000 At Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:07 +0200, Cejka Rudolf wrote: > > When I'm looking top(1) status, sometimes cvsupd process has 600MB > > over memory size. > > I have seen big cvsup(d) memory usage (bigger than usual rsync), > when cvsup is run for the first time on mirror site, when everything > has to be synchronized and checked. Hmm. I'm preparing sub-collection of all FreeBSD-archive. But I'm not sure this naming scheme and separation strategy is good or not. I'd like to hear others' opinions. I hope it may help to reduce periodical synchronization... collection ------------------------------------------------------------ ftp-all same as FreeBSD-archive ftp-releases FreeBSD/releases/* ftp-ports FreeBSD/ports/* ftp-branches FreeBSD/branches/* ftp-development FreeBSD/development/* ftp-snapshots FreeBSD/snapshots/* ftp-CERT FreeBSD/CERT/* ftp-other rest of above -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 00:29:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FA937B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D1F43FE1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:29:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 8575548E6F; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:29:26 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAE452D95; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:29:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:29:26 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Jun Kuriyama In-Reply-To: <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> Message-ID: References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:29:29 -0000 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > I'm preparing sub-collection of all FreeBSD-archive. But I'm not sure > this naming scheme and separation strategy is good or not. I'd like > to hear others' opinions. > > I hope it may help to reduce periodical synchronization... looks good to me jun, but i would add another layer if you can.. e.g > collection > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ftp-all same as FreeBSD-archive > ftp-releases FreeBSD/releases/* ftp-releases-i386 ftp-releases-alpha > ftp-ports FreeBSD/ports/* ftp-ports-i386 ftp-ports-alpha ftp-ports-distfiles > ftp-branches FreeBSD/branches/* i still don't quite understand what use the branches tree gets and why it is mirrored out exactly.. just how in demand is it ? > ftp-development FreeBSD/development/* > ftp-snapshots FreeBSD/snapshots/* > ftp-CERT FreeBSD/CERT/* > ftp-other rest of above regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 02:26:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C4337B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A595343FAF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from korben (dialin202.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.202.202]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h5A9Pn2n183494; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:26:00 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:25:43 +0200 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Westeurop=E4ische_Sommerzeit?=) From: Lukas Ertl To: Cejka Rudolf In-Reply-To: <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> Message-ID: References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: unet 4245; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:26:16 -0000 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Cejka Rudolf wrote: > Hello, and good morning to Lukas and all others ;o) Hi Rudolf... > Permissions on ftp-master.cz and ftp.cz should be fixed now. Thanks! > > Currently, ftp.cz is still at 770 permissions, ftp-master.cz ditto, so = I > > had to do the bit flip by hand. > > > > Probably Rudolf is on holiday, like I am :-) > > I'm not :-) I just had a good evening with a nice girl ;o) Now, this is an excuse, of course :-) > ftp-master.cz.FreeBSD.org has free bandwidth and system resources ( > http://ftp-master.cz.FreeBSD.org/stats/ is (??? should be :o) open to > everybody since some longer time ago), even for rsync. So please, mainly > European sites, help to reduce load of ftp-master by switching to > ftp-master.cz ;o) If you have problems with access, please contact me. Thanks again for your ftp-master.cz service, I'm really glad you offer this to us. regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 05:37:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F51037B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 05:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415A943FA3 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5ACbYbr028805; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5ACbXb9028804; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:37:33 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Jun Kuriyama Message-ID: <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:37:36 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:11:47PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > collection > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ftp-all same as FreeBSD-archive > ftp-releases FreeBSD/releases/* > ftp-ports FreeBSD/ports/* > ftp-branches FreeBSD/branches/* > ftp-development FreeBSD/development/* > ftp-snapshots FreeBSD/snapshots/* > ftp-CERT FreeBSD/CERT/* Those all sound great, I've needed to sub-divide the rsync's myself for a while now. Jason's suggestion of breaking down to the architecture level if possible would be good too, I see a lot of mirror sites that don't carry all the architectures. May I add the suggestion of publicizing somewhere(s) exactly when the ports get updated? If it's a routine weekly thing and more or less always predictable putting that in a FAQ somewhere so that the mirror sites only hammer on ftp-master for ports shortly after they were supposed to change you might lower the load on ftp-master. It seems like the ports updates are a roughly weekly thing but I don't think I have ever seen anyone say that. > ftp-other rest of above I know the purpose of that and I've got an rsync that does it. But can someone else with more rsync experience than me say whether having a module that does this can be configured to work? I could be mistaken but it could be the case that a pull using that module would need to never delete files. Otherwise it would remove the ports directory, the branches directory, etc. I do this in my rsync by excluding the ports, branches, etc. explicitly and I don't use --delete-excluded on that one so it just ignores those sub-directories and doesn't touch the contents. I might be missing something though... :-/ -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 06:19:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F267237B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E1A43F85 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1B640F2 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:18:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B1240F1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:18:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F611E460E for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:18:58 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:18:58 +0900 Message-ID: <7m7k7ugjel.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:19:02 -0000 At Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:29:26 +1000 (EST), jason andrade wrote: > > ftp-branches FreeBSD/branches/* > > i still don't quite understand what use the branches tree gets and > why it is mirrored out exactly.. just how in demand is it ? I agree with Jason. IMHO, This part is not so important. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 06:19:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2591737B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233D943FBF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:19:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesper@skriver.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B24D238346; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:19:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:19:50 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: Jun Kuriyama Message-ID: <20030610131950.GB83399@skriver.dk> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <7m7k7ugjel.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7m7k7ugjel.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:19:53 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 10:18:58PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > At Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:29:26 +1000 (EST), > jason andrade wrote: > > > ftp-branches FreeBSD/branches/* > > > > i still don't quite understand what use the branches tree gets and > > why it is mirrored out exactly.. just how in demand is it ? > > I agree with Jason. IMHO, This part is not so important. Please delete it from the ftp repository, I don't carry it anyway. /Jesper From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 06:31:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D6D37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 032A043FDD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ADV6f6073176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:31:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h5ADV5ut073175; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:31:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:31:05 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:31:14 -0000 Ken Smith wrote (2003/06/10): > > ftp-all same as FreeBSD-archive > > ... > > ftp-CERT FreeBSD/CERT/* > > Those all sound great, I've needed to sub-divide the rsync's myself Because of big memory needs or because of what? Memory is not such a big problem for cvsup. It seems to me that it is more about updating policy (when update and what - it would need short cvsup runs with releases/packages before checking cvsupped source trees...), than about prepared cvsup collections. Anybody can do similar splitting by use of -i flag/refuse file with cvsup, but everything needs maintenance, including cvsup collections. > May I add the suggestion of publicizing somewhere(s) exactly when the > ports get updated? If it's a routine weekly thing and more or less > always predictable putting that in a FAQ somewhere so that the mirror > sites only hammer on ftp-master for ports shortly after they were > supposed to change you might lower the load on ftp-master. I think that most critical is situation, when there are updated files on ftp-master and everybody wants to mirror them, so we do not need to solve situation, when anybody runs cvsup when there is nothing new for him. (???) > It seems like the ports updates are a roughly weekly thing but > I don't think I have ever seen anyone say that. Maybe starts can be known, but how to know, when these uploads end? > someone else with more rsync experience than me say whether having a > module that does this can be configured to work? I could be mistaken I'm not sure, if I understand correctly, but do you know about exclude option in rsyncd.conf directly in module specification? -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 06:48:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B6437B404 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E120E43FBD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (mlifor@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5ADmkB5091831; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:48:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h5ADmkeR091829; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:48:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200306101348.h5ADmkeR091829@lurza.secnetix.de> To: cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz (Cejka Rudolf) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:48:46 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> from "Cejka Rudolf" at Jun 10, 2003 03:31:05 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:48:56 -0000 Cejka Rudolf wrote: > Ken Smith wrote (2003/06/10): > > [...] > > I think that most critical is situation, when there are updated files > on ftp-master and everybody wants to mirror them, so we do not need to > solve situation, when anybody runs cvsup when there is nothing new for > him. (???) > > > It seems like the ports updates are a roughly weekly thing but > > I don't think I have ever seen anyone say that. > > Maybe starts can be known, but how to know, when these uploads end? How about some kind of a "push model"? That is, whenever data on ftp-master has been updated (the upload has finished), a notification of some kind is sent. It could be a specially formatted e-mail message sent out to a list, which can be parsed automatically by scripts. It contains the pathname(s) of the part(s) of the FTP tree that have been updated, so the scripts can decide if and what to sync from ftp-master. Just an idea. I guess there's already some read-made software for that. Another possibility would be to, say, update information on a web page, which is also automatically parsable. It would still require polling the web page regularly, but I guess that's much less overhead than cvsup, so it can be done more often. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 07:07:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDEB37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20FF43FE1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:07:33 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20030610140733.GA65541@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> <200306101348.h5ADmkeR091829@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306101348.h5ADmkeR091829@lurza.secnetix.de> X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:07:37 -0000 --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Oliver Fromme wrote on Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:48:46PM +0200: [..] > How about some kind of a "push model"? That is, whenever > data on ftp-master has been updated (the upload has finished), > a notification of some kind is sent. It could be a specially > formatted e-mail message sent out to a list, which can be > parsed automatically by scripts. It contains the pathname(s) > of the part(s) of the FTP tree that have been updated, so the > scripts can decide if and what to sync from ftp-master. >=20 > Just an idea. I guess there's already some read-made software > for that. >=20 > Another possibility would be to, say, update information on a > web page, which is also automatically parsable. It would > still require polling the web page regularly, but I guess > that's much less overhead than cvsup, so it can be done more > often. [..] I participate in several push mechanisms. The best current practice I know of uses ssh (v2) keys, which can be used to trigger just the update skript. Data can be piped through the ssh call, but is not needed, since the ssh call could trigger the fetching of a webpage with the data. I believe this method is reasonable secure (also due to the manifold of constraints, that could be placed in the authorized_keys file) and offers most flexibility as well as simplicity. If something like this should be established, I will gladly help. 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mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5B937B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D3C43FBF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id B781A48E6F; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:11:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A327552D95; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:11:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:11:30 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Daniel Lang In-Reply-To: <20030610140733.GA65541@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Message-ID: References: <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> <200306101348.h5ADmkeR091829@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030610140733.GA65541@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Fromme cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:11:34 -0000 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Daniel Lang wrote: > I participate in several push mechanisms. The best current practice > I know of uses ssh (v2) keys, which can be used to trigger just the > update skript. Data can be piped through the ssh call, but is not needed, > since the ssh call could trigger the fetching of a webpage with the data. what daniel said. the change control process on the master does its stuff and when all is synced, the person making the change can 'signal' all the tier-1 servers to start pulling data, via a 'push trigger'. if multiple ssh keys are generated, it is even possible to trigger different syncs for different parts of the archive - i speculate. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 07:14:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138B937B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0795443FB1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (ylqnun@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5AEECB5093155; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:14:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h5AEEC6G093154; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:14:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200306101414.h5AEEC6G093154@lurza.secnetix.de> To: dl@leo.org (Daniel Lang) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:14:11 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030610140733.GA65541@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> from "Daniel Lang" at Jun 10, 2003 04:07:33 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:14:18 -0000 Daniel Lang wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote on Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:48:46PM +0200: > [..] > > How about some kind of a "push model"? That is, whenever > > data on ftp-master has been updated (the upload has finished), > > a notification of some kind is sent. It could be a specially > > formatted e-mail message sent out to a list, which can be > > parsed automatically by scripts. It contains the pathname(s) > > of the part(s) of the FTP tree that have been updated, so the > > scripts can decide if and what to sync from ftp-master. > > > > Just an idea. I guess there's already some read-made software > > for that. > > > > Another possibility would be to, say, update information on a > > web page, which is also automatically parsable. It would > > still require polling the web page regularly, but I guess > > that's much less overhead than cvsup, so it can be done more > > often. > [..] > > I participate in several push mechanisms. The best current practice > I know of uses ssh (v2) keys, which can be used to trigger just the > update skript. Data can be piped through the ssh call, but is not needed, > since the ssh call could trigger the fetching of a webpage with the data. That won't be possible, at least for me. I am FTP admin at ftp7.de, but I am not root on that machine, so I cannot create ssh accounts. Even if I was root there, I wouldn't be allowed to create ssh accounts for "strangers", because it is a university machine. (It doesn't matter whether the account is restricted to one command via an ssh key.) Of course, I could add such an ssh key to my own account, but I'm not even allowed to do that. I'm not even sure if RSA key authentication is enabled in the sshd config. Therefore I think that a parsable e-mail message that could be processed automatically would be much better. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. Passwords are like underwear. You don't share them, you don't hang them on your monitor or under your keyboard, you don't email them, or put them on a web site, and you must change them very often. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 07:17:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E268B37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4E043FE1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:17:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 4532A48E6F; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:17:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3123E52D95; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:17:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:17:40 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Oliver Fromme In-Reply-To: <200306101414.h5AEEC6G093154@lurza.secnetix.de> Message-ID: References: <200306101414.h5AEEC6G093154@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:17:43 -0000 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Oliver Fromme wrote: > That won't be possible, at least for me. I am FTP admin at > ftp7.de, but I am not root on that machine, so I cannot > create ssh accounts. Even if I was root there, I wouldn't > be allowed to create ssh accounts for "strangers", because > it is a university machine. (It doesn't matter whether the > account is restricted to one command via an ssh key.) that's a bummer. but perhaps we can come up with two sets of triggers. one is via ssh, the other is the more normal 'polling' system. the master updates a file.. which is periodically checked on some clients, and if the date in it is later than they previously had, it causes an update ? regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 07:20:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCEEE37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A7143F93 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (ebixst@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5AEK2B5093465; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:20:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h5AEK2Bb093464; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:20:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200306101420.h5AEK2Bb093464@lurza.secnetix.de> To: jason@rtfmconsult.com (jason andrade) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:20:02 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: from "jason andrade" at Jun 11, 2003 12:17:40 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:20:07 -0000 jason andrade wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > That won't be possible, at least for me. I am FTP admin at > > ftp7.de, but I am not root on that machine, so I cannot > > create ssh accounts. Even if I was root there, I wouldn't > > be allowed to create ssh accounts for "strangers", because > > it is a university machine. (It doesn't matter whether the > > account is restricted to one command via an ssh key.) > > that's a bummer. but perhaps we can come up with two sets > of triggers. one is via ssh, the other is the more normal > 'polling' system. the master updates a file.. which is > periodically checked on some clients, and if the date in it > is later than they previously had, it causes an update ? Yes, that would work, I guess. However, what's wrong with the e-mail idea? Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 07:26:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0584237B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EC243FB1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 5A69D48E6F; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:26:12 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5195252D95; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:26:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:26:12 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Oliver Fromme In-Reply-To: <200306101420.h5AEK2Bb093464@lurza.secnetix.de> Message-ID: References: <200306101420.h5AEK2Bb093464@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:26:14 -0000 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Oliver Fromme wrote: > However, what's wrong with the e-mail idea? nothing really - but i guess (for some reason) i find it hard to think of going back to the ftpcopy/MHSnet days of using email for this.. sorry oliver, no real reason.. just a feeling that a bunch of mirror sites won't have their mail setup configured to easily allow this. i could be totally wrong though. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 07:26:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD80937B404 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ivoti.terra.com.br (ivoti.terra.com.br [200.176.3.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3821543FDD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: from una.terra.com.br (una.terra.com.br [200.176.3.32]) by ivoti.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id C943B4089E9; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:26:16 -0300 (BRT) Received: from jonny.eng.br (RJ206106.user.veloxzone.com.br [200.165.206.106]) (authenticated user dioni21) by una.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8DD2F00D4; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:26:13 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <3EE5EAD2.8000502@jonny.eng.br> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:27:30 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: pt-br, en-us, en, pt MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jason andrade References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:26:22 -0000 jason andrade wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > > >>I'm preparing sub-collection of all FreeBSD-archive. But I'm not sure >>this naming scheme and separation strategy is good or not. I'd like >>to hear others' opinions. >> >>I hope it may help to reduce periodical synchronization... > > > looks good to me jun, but i would add another layer if you can.. e.g > > >>collection >>------------------------------------------------------------ >>ftp-all same as FreeBSD-archive >>ftp-releases FreeBSD/releases/* > > > ftp-releases-i386 > ftp-releases-alpha I prefer this way, since Brazilian users use mostly i386, and we don't have enough disk for a full distro. > > >>ftp-ports FreeBSD/ports/* > > > ftp-ports-i386 > ftp-ports-alpha > ftp-ports-distfiles > > >>ftp-branches FreeBSD/branches/* > > > i still don't quite understand what use the branches tree gets and > why it is mirrored out exactly.. just how in demand is it ? > > >>ftp-development FreeBSD/development/* >>ftp-snapshots FreeBSD/snapshots/* >>ftp-CERT FreeBSD/CERT/* >>ftp-other rest of above > > > > regards, > > -jason > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hubs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hubs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Jonny -- João Carlos Mendes Luís - Networking Engineer - jonny@jonny.eng.br -- "the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do." -- Samuel P. Huntington From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 08:47:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5AD37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F24E43FBD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5AFlRbr002749; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5AFlQ3m002748; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:47:25 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Cejka Rudolf Message-ID: <20030610154725.GA2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:47:32 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:31:05PM +0200, Cejka Rudolf wrote: > Ken Smith wrote (2003/06/10): > > Those all sound great, I've needed to sub-divide the rsync's myself > > Because of big memory needs or because of what? > Memory is not such a big problem for cvsup. Memory is part of the overall "look at lots of stuff" problems rsync slowly runs into. But not everyone uses FreeBSD (yet :-) on their mirror servers. I see at least a few people on this list participating in mirror lists for other things and know they're running on Linux machines. At the moment the machine I've got most of my mirror stuff is a FreeBSD 5.1 machine but I can't use cvsup yet because it's a Sparc... [ Just curious, is anyone thinking about rewriting cvsup in something other than Modula-3? ] > It seems to me that it is more about updating policy (when update > and what - it would need short cvsup runs with releases/packages > before checking cvsupped source trees...), than about prepared cvsup > collections. Anybody can do similar splitting by use of > -i flag/refuse file with cvsup, but everything needs maintenance, > including cvsup collections. Growing pains from becoming more popular. Someone needs to be willing to do the work of organizing it all... Things have come a long way from the days of CSRG distributions on tape, the CSRG folks refusing to even hint when a release would be finished and ready to ship, and Release Engineering was just a small part of one person's job... :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 08:50:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E23037B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFA343F85 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:50:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AFotjp065976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:50:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5AFotAD065973; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200306101550.h5AFotAD065973@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Jesper Skriver In-Reply-To: <20030610131950.GB83399@skriver.dk> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <7m7k7ugjel.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610131950.GB83399@skriver.dk> X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:50:58 -0000 < said: > Please delete it from the ftp repository, I don't carry it anyway. I do carry it, but it's checked out locally since I already have the bits. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 09:00:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1115B37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512FE43FB1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:00:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AG0iiJ030025; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:00:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030610154725.GA2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp><7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> <20030610154725.GA2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:00:43 -0400 To: Ken Smith From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:00:53 -0000 At 11:47 AM -0400 6/10/03, Ken Smith wrote: >At the moment the machine I've got most of my mirror stuff >is a FreeBSD 5.1 machine but I can't use cvsup yet because >it's a Sparc... There is a cvsup for sparc64. I'm running it. It used to be a special separate package you had to track down, but now you can make it from the standard cvsup packages in ports. That's cvsup. Well, in my case it's cvsup-without-gui. I assume cvsup-mirror would also work. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 09:04:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187A337B404 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procyon.firepipe.net (procyon.firepipe.net [198.78.66.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8477743FBD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@csociety.org) Received: by procyon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B64A229AD; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:28 -0700 From: Will Andrews To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030610160428.GU35503@procyon.firepipe.net> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> <20030610154725.GA2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610154725.GA2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:04:30 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:47:25AM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > is a FreeBSD 5.1 machine but I can't use cvsup yet because it's a > Sparc... CVSup does work on FreeBSD/sparc64, and has since early this year. Admittedly the port was updated a bit more recently. > [ Just curious, is anyone thinking about rewriting cvsup in something > other than Modula-3? ] There is a similar project called "cvsync", see: http://www.daemon-systems.org/cvsync/ And there are some cvsup mirrors that support cvsync, see: http://www.allbsd.org/cvsync/ Regards, -- wca From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 09:06:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1C537B407 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658E943FBD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5AG66br003209; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5AG66SB003208; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:06:05 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20030610160605.GB2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> <200306101348.h5ADmkeR091829@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306101348.h5ADmkeR091829@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:06:11 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:48:46PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > How about some kind of a "push model"? One disadvantage other than the design/implementation work is load on the source. Isn't ftp-master suffering a little bit even now? What happens if all of the first-tier servers are told to do updates at the same time? The cron job based updates at least have the advantage of "naturally" spreading the load on ftp-master out over time a little bit I would think. My cron jobs running in the wee hours of the morning run at a different time than the cron jobs running in the wee hours of the morning in Australia. :-) Those issues might be worked out. I don't know if it was a concern in the other push models someone else cited. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 09:10:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C8437B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EC543FEA for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5AGAQbr003310; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5AGAQLH003309; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:10:26 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20030610161026.GC2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> <20030610154725.GA2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:10:28 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:43PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > There is a cvsup for sparc64. I'm running it. It used to be a > special separate package you had to track down, but now you can > make it from the standard cvsup packages in ports. Thanks!!!! Missed that. :-( Amanda client started to work fairly recently too. I'm in heaven... -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 09:24:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07E237B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DCD43FE0 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (gbshkj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5AGO6B5099575; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:24:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h5AGO6Ol099574; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:24:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200306101624.h5AGO6Ol099574@lurza.secnetix.de> To: kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU (Ken Smith) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:24:06 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030610160605.GB2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> from "Ken Smith" at Jun 10, 2003 12:06:05 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:24:13 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:48:46PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > How about some kind of a "push model"? > > One disadvantage other than the design/implementation work is load > on the source. Isn't ftp-master suffering a little bit even now? > What happens if all of the first-tier servers are told to do updates > at the same time? Good point. On the other hand -- When someone from the RE team posts a message to hubs@ like "5.1 for i386 available now!", I guess many people will start their sync jobs immediately. That's already some kind of "push". So there's the same load situation, except everyone has started the thing manually, instead of having it initiated automatically. > The cron job based updates at least have the advantage of "naturally" > spreading the load on ftp-master out over time a little bit I would > think. My cron jobs running in the wee hours of the morning run at > a different time than the cron jobs running in the wee hours of the > morning in Australia. :-) Well, those cron jobs are a different thing. I have divided my FTP mirror into things which change often (such as distfiles, -stable and -current packages), and things which are transferred once and then never change again (e.g. releases, packages for releases). I only have cron jobs for those things that change often, but not for the others. After all, why should I sync 5.1-RELEASE over and over again, once it is there? That "push model" would be applied only to the latter, e.g. for releases (and betas, and RCs) and the accompanying package sets. If the load is really a serious problem, then the "push" notifications can be sent out with a certain delay between them. I'm sure it can be done. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "Der Einsatz von MS-Mailsystemen ist sehr erfolgreich, aber leider vor allem bei der Verbreitung von Viren wie Melissa, Papa oder explore.zip. Dies ist durchaus auch in der Architektur dieser Software begruendet." (unbekannt) From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 09:43:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44E537B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC19943FAF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:43:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5AGhSbr004022; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5AGhSRH004021; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:43:28 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030610160605.GB2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <200306101624.h5AGO6Ol099574@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306101624.h5AGO6Ol099574@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:43:34 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:24:06PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > On the other hand -- When someone from the RE team posts > a message to hubs@ like "5.1 for i386 available now!", > I guess many people will start their sync jobs immediately. > That's already some kind of "push". So there's the same > load situation, except everyone has started the thing > manually, instead of having it initiated automatically. Yup. But that's arguably a "special case". If you can fold the special case into what you use for day-to-day stuff that's great. But sometimes it's best to design the system for the day-to-day stuff and leave the special cases as special cases. Depends on how often the special cases come along. > If the load is really a serious problem, then the "push" > notifications can be sent out with a certain delay between > them. I'm sure it can be done. It's all software. You can make it do anything you want. :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 11:48:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2D837B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C397043FAF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (wxklmr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5AImAB5006034; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:48:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h5AImAVt006033; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:48:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> To: kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU (Ken Smith) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:48:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> from "Ken Smith" at Jun 10, 2003 12:43:28 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:48:17 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:24:06PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > On the other hand -- When someone from the RE team posts > > a message to hubs@ like "5.1 for i386 available now!", > > I guess many people will start their sync jobs immediately. > > That's already some kind of "push". So there's the same > > load situation, except everyone has started the thing > > manually, instead of having it initiated automatically. > > Yup. But that's arguably a "special case". If you can fold the special > case into what you use for day-to-day stuff that's great. But sometimes > it's best to design the system for the day-to-day stuff and leave the > special cases as special cases. Depends on how often the special cases > come along. That's exactly what I meant when I mentioned those two cases. The day-to-day stuff (i.e. syncing distfiles etc.) doesn't have to change at all. Heck, those don't even have to be mirrored daily. It works perfectly well as it is now. At least as far as I'm concerned. The problem is when we're approaching a release, and the messages on hubs@ arrive almost hourly saying that these releases and those packages have been uploaded. Sometimes it is important to sync as fast as possible, because some things have only a short lifetime anyway, such as some release candidates. This is where an automated "push" or notification mechanism would be really beneficial. By the way, yesterday (the day 5.1-release went out) was a holiday in Germany ("Pfingstmontag"), and I guess in other parts of the world, too. Another reason to have an automatism for syncing, because many people probably just weren't there to do things manually. Maybe I'm wrong, though. :-) Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "The only reasonable alternative we can come up with is to close off the Internet to America Online users until they have passed an entrance test. But that would break federal laws that prohibit discrimination against the intellectually challenged." -- hhahn@boardwatch.com From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 13:09:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB78B37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A6E43F93 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:09:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6D466B9B; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ECC68B48; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:09:52 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030610200952.GA1214@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <200306091636.h59GavDW043030@freefall.freebsd.org> <20030609195142.U581@korben.in.tern> <20030610064507.GA22617@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mn0gqh10y.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610070407.GA27204@fit.vutbr.cz> <7mllwah0ek.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610123733.GA28649@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:09:54 -0000 --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 08:37:33AM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > May I add the suggestion of publicizing somewhere(s) exactly when the > ports get updated? If it's a routine weekly thing and more or less > always predictable putting that in a FAQ somewhere so that the mirror > sites only hammer on ftp-master for ports shortly after they were > supposed to change you might lower the load on ftp-master. It seems > like the ports updates are a roughly weekly thing but I don't think I > have ever seen anyone say that. They're updated manually as needs and circumstance allow, but roughly once every week or two. Kris --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+5jsQWry0BWjoQKURAjb2AJ9N7ucW72QGiahaVRO2GepX1xLxKgCgsvSf lZTxGfySAOxqmcThAJY36+o= =DxVR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 14:16:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DE837B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F2243FA3 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:16:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:16:28 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20030610211628.GA65857@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <200306101420.h5AEK2Bb093464@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="KsGdsel6WgEHnImy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306101420.h5AEK2Bb093464@lurza.secnetix.de> X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de cc: jason andrade cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:16:32 -0000 --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Oliver Fromme wrote on Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:20:02PM +0200: [..] > However, what's wrong with the e-mail idea? Nothing. Just from my gut it feels that it's more complicated, than the ssh thingy (at least from my point of view, it would be a little bit more complicated). Also, just like you cannot use the ssh methods, other people might not be allowed to pipe emails to arbitrary processes (something quite common, as it seems to me), and even an admin of an ftp-server might not be the postmaster of the site and may have to follow other policies in these terms. So it might not be that advantageous... Anyway, I could probably set up email processing, so if this will be concensus, I have no problem with that. 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mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BF837B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C929143FCB for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5ALKMhS014872; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@ns1.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5ALKMVK014871; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:20:22 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20030610212022.GB14325@ns1.xcllnt.net> References: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:20:30 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 08:48:09PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > The problem is when we're approaching a release, and the > messages on hubs@ arrive almost hourly saying that these > releases and those packages have been uploaded. Sometimes > it is important to sync as fast as possible, because some > things have only a short lifetime anyway, such as some > release candidates. This is where an automated "push" or > notification mechanism would be really beneficial. > > By the way, yesterday (the day 5.1-release went out) was > a holiday in Germany ("Pfingstmontag"), and I guess in > other parts of the world, too. Another reason to have an > automatism for syncing, because many people probably just > weren't there to do things manually. > > Maybe I'm wrong, though. :-) I'm not a mirror operator (IANAMO? :-) and I just recently entered the playground by providing the ia64 release bits and snapshots, but I can truely say that I'm amazed by how unstructured this all is. So, in that respect I don't think you're wrong. It probably helps if we first try to state the problem without expressing it in terms of current implementations. Once we know what we want (don't want) or like (don't like) on an abstract or functional level, we can worry about how to achieve that (prevent it). Even if we cannot fully implement what we want (don't want)... For the hacker that only uploads bits my interest is pretty limited: all I want is a simple procedure that when followed sets all the wheels in motion and prevents the most common of the mistakes... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 14:22:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1B037B412 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6549A43F3F for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesper@skriver.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2F7FC38351; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:22:01 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20030610212201.GE83399@skriver.dk> References: <200306101420.h5AEK2Bb093464@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306101420.h5AEK2Bb093464@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub cc: jason andrade cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:22:07 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 04:20:02PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > jason andrade wrote: > > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > > > That won't be possible, at least for me. I am FTP admin at > > > ftp7.de, but I am not root on that machine, so I cannot create > > > ssh accounts. Even if I was root there, I wouldn't be allowed to > > > create ssh accounts for "strangers", because it is a university > > > machine. (It doesn't matter whether the account is restricted to > > > one command via an ssh key.) > > > > that's a bummer. but perhaps we can come up with two sets of > > triggers. one is via ssh, the other is the more normal 'polling' > > system. the master updates a file.. which is periodically checked > > on some clients, and if the date in it is later than they > > previously had, it causes an update ? > > Yes, that would work, I guess. > > However, what's wrong with the e-mail idea? Neither of the 2 mirrors I maintain run a MTA, or has means of receiving mail - nor would I like to install/start a MTA on them, as it increase maintenance. But as mileage clearly wary, I would be nice to provide multiple methods, so each admin can choose the one they prefer. /Jesper From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 14:38:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C72A37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD3943F85 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:38:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5ALcCbr010907; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5ALcCYt010906; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:38:12 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <20030610213812.GB10251@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030610212022.GB14325@ns1.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610212022.GB14325@ns1.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:38:14 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:20:22PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I'm not a mirror operator (IANAMO? :-) and I just recently > entered the playground by providing the ia64 release bits and > snapshots, but I can truely say that I'm amazed by how > unstructured this all is. So, in that respect I don't think > you're wrong. I've been watching for a while longer than you. I could be wrong and if I am I truly apologize to who this is likely to offend but... I don't think there is anyone other than the RE team that dabbles in the structure of the mirror system, and they only do it when it's close to release time. For example ISC's offer of a very nice mirror site went un-answered for a while and then incorporated in a flurry of late night activity by un-named higher-ups in the FreeBSD organization. So, I don't think anyone considers it their job to coordinate any of this. Again, apologies if I'm totally off the mark... I sorta noticed the apparent lack of a coordinator and sorta offered to help but haven't been told if they're interested. They might have other plans in the works and didn't need the help (or had someone else in mind with better qualifications... :-). -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 15:33:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5AB37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc12.attbi.com (sccrmhc12.attbi.com [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C60643FB1 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:33:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.240.204.110]) by attbi.com (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2003061022333801200977rje>; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:33:38 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMXb9c019540; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5AMXadv019539; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:33:36 -0700 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030610223336.GA19468@intruder.bmah.org> References: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030610212022.GB14325@ns1.xcllnt.net> <20030610213812.GB10251@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610213812.GB10251@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ cc: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.org cc: Oliver Fromme cc: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:33:40 -0000 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Ken Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:20:22PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >=20 > > I'm not a mirror operator (IANAMO? :-) and I just recently > > entered the playground by providing the ia64 release bits and > > snapshots, but I can truely say that I'm amazed by how > > unstructured this all is. So, in that respect I don't think > > you're wrong. >=20 > I've been watching for a while longer than you. I could be wrong and > if I am I truly apologize to who this is likely to offend but... I > don't think there is anyone other than the RE team that dabbles in > the structure of the mirror system, and they only do it when it's > close to release time. For example ISC's offer of a very nice mirror > site went un-answered for a while and then incorporated in a flurry > of late night activity by un-named higher-ups in the FreeBSD organization. > So, I don't think anyone considers it their job to coordinate any of > this. With my RE hat on (but speaking for myself) I would say that RE tries *not* to get involved with mirror operations. I think we are a little more like Marcel, in that we put bits on ftp-master and, as much as we can, try to give information about the timing of upcoming releases and when we plan to have certain events (such as release announcements) happen. We have certain ideas of what services the mirror sites can provide...sometimes I admit we can be unrealistic in those expectations, out of ignorance. Most notably, as far as I can tell, none of the current members of RE runs an FTP mirror site. Personally I'm pretty clueless about the constraints under which the mirrors (and their operators) work, the different mechanisms used to transfer data (cvsup vs. rsync vs. ftp vs. ...???...). I *will* agree that we're most concerned about mirror operations right around release time (and somewhat less at other times), but given what I wrote above, that's not a surprise, right? As far as making things more organized, I'd say that RE would be amenable to changes in mirror operations that were well-documented and didn't require huge changes in the way we run our release process. Bruce. PS. I have not properly thanked all of you mirror site operators for your help with 5.1 yet, so, thank you! --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+5lzA2MoxcVugUsMRAlC7AKCs9pXJ7uGZ/h3wN7qdQFJSj+MSwACeJ5vL zEXl0DgTE8/0x2BOpuY7kD0= =S0Od -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 15:37:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1429537B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228B643FBD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5AMavhS015337; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@ns1.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5AMav0X015336; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:36:57 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030610223657.GA15071@ns1.xcllnt.net> References: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030610212022.GB14325@ns1.xcllnt.net> <20030610213812.GB10251@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610213812.GB10251@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:37:05 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:38:12PM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 02:20:22PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > I'm not a mirror operator (IANAMO? :-) and I just recently > > entered the playground by providing the ia64 release bits and > > snapshots, but I can truely say that I'm amazed by how > > unstructured this all is. So, in that respect I don't think > > you're wrong. > > I've been watching for a while longer than you. I could be wrong and > if I am I truly apologize to who this is likely to offend but... I > don't think there is anyone other than the RE team that dabbles in > the structure of the mirror system, and they only do it when it's > close to release time. I tend to support you here. From the 6 months that I'm on the hubs@ list it's clear that release time is when all "hell" breaks loose. People who are otherwise uninterested (like me -- sorry) have to be part of "it" by providing bits and that's a common source for friction, misunderstanding and irritation. > I sorta noticed the apparent lack of a coordinator and sorta offered > to help but haven't been told if they're interested. They might have > other plans in the works and didn't need the help (or had someone else > in mind with better qualifications... :-). I may be stepping on toes here, but what about just taking control? Why not own this problem among the mirror operators and tell those weenies who upload to ftp-master to shut up and do as they're told? Put differently: I have a very simply perspective on this: I don't know what I'm talking about and I don't want to. All I want is some guidelines, procedures and/or tools so that I can provide the bits I want to provide in whatever way you want me to provide them and then get on with my work. I think it's not unrealistic to have this simplistic perspective apply to almost everybody who merely provides bits, including to, in big parts, re@ and kris@ (where kris stands for everything related to packages :-). Of course different bits require different handling, but that's in my point of view mostly your problem, not mine. In return for this power, I only ask predictability and consistency so that there's a way for users (and me) to know where and when the bits are expected to be accessable. Is this too naive a viewpoint? -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 15:58:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E460737B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C60B43FBF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:58:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5AMwJbr012212; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5AMwJfJ012211; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:58:19 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <20030610225819.GA11960@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030610212022.GB14325@ns1.xcllnt.net> <20030610213812.GB10251@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030610223657.GA15071@ns1.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610223657.GA15071@ns1.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:58:21 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:36:57PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I may be stepping on toes here, but what about just taking control? I made the offer of helping to Scott Long because he was the one who seemed to step up with the pre-Release-Time upload of the stuff with permissions closed down, which is the first step needed for any of this stuff to work. I don't mind taking control but doing that right requires access to more than can just be taken - some of it needs to be given. Using the ISC example again, adding in a new mirror like that requires DNS modifications, they need to be granted access to ftp-master, etc. I'm capable of that (been a sys-admin for quite a while :-) but I don't have the access required. And giving that kind of access is nothing to be taken lightly. I might really be capable of all that but I also might be Bill Gates plotting the downfall of FreeBSD and giving me that kind of access would make it possible. I'm not sure what to do about that, most of the activities I could engage myself in to help gain that kind of trust have nothing to do with the mirror system... I'm not even a blessed first-tier mirror, I'm just a lurker who carries FreeBSD along with a bunch of other stuff (some of which I am an official mirror for, I'm on the mirror lists for Mandrake, RedHat, and OpenBSD amongst a few other things). > Is this too naive a viewpoint? Well, slightly but I suppose it's a start. :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 16:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E555A37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D47D43FBD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 4757748E6F; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:08:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400A352D95; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:08:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:08:25 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Ken Smith In-Reply-To: <20030610160605.GB2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Message-ID: References: <20030610133105.GA66707@fit.vutbr.cz> <200306101348.h5ADmkeR091829@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030610160605.GB2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Oliver Fromme Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:08:28 -0000 On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Ken Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 03:48:46PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > How about some kind of a "push model"? > > One disadvantage other than the design/implementation work is load > on the source. Isn't ftp-master suffering a little bit even now? > What happens if all of the first-tier servers are told to do updates > at the same time? this is the advantage of the ssh sync model. e.g like the debian archive, the 'master' has a delay built in as it syncs each site. it is just enough of a delay that it minimizes (not avoids) the initial startup mirror cost for each mirror. > The cron job based updates at least have the advantage of "naturally" > spreading the load on ftp-master out over time a little bit I would > think. My cron jobs running in the wee hours of the morning run at > a different time than the cron jobs running in the wee hours of the > morning in Australia. :-) actually it isn't that cut and dried anymore :-/ this indeed used to be the case, but given that 50% of our requests for freebsd data come from outside australia now, we find that we're running 24/7 at high bandwidth rates so some jobs are not scheduled in 'off peak' hours (for us) anymore.. as we don't have any left. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 16:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E376937B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carrick.bishnet.net (carrick.bishnet.net [217.204.9.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D18E43F75 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tdb@carrick.bishnet.net) Received: from tdb by carrick.bishnet.net with local (Exim 4.20) id 19PsLO-0004We-32; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:15:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:15:58 +0100 From: Tim Bishop To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030610231558.GA11147@carrick.bishnet.net> References: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030610212022.GB14325@ns1.xcllnt.net> <20030610213812.GB10251@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030610223657.GA15071@ns1.xcllnt.net> <20030610225819.GA11960@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610225819.GA11960@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Key: 0x5AE7D984 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1453 086E 9376 1A50 ECF6 AE05 7DCE D659 5AE7 D984 Sender: "T.D.Bishop" X-Bishnet-MailScanner-Information: Contact postmaster@bishnet.net X-Bishnet-MailScanner-VirusCheck: Found to be clean cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:16:03 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:58:19PM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > ... I don't mind taking control but doing that right > requires access to more than can just be taken - some of it needs to > be given ... > ... I'm capable of that (been a sys-admin for quite a > while :-) but I don't have the access required. And giving that > kind of access is nothing to be taken lightly ... > ... I'm not sure what to do about that, most of the > activities I could engage myself in to help gain that kind of trust > have nothing to do with the mirror system ... Why not start by being a "mirror coordinator", or similar. You could be the person people go to for (using your example) things like DNS changes - even if you have to pass the request on to a third party to action. In time, more responsibility and power would come? Assuming you're not actually Bill Gates in disguise ;) It'd be good to have a single point-of-contact for mirror issues, and someone who'd be responsible for decision making. In the long run it could make release time a breeze ;) Tim. -- Tim Bishop http://www.bishnet.net/tim PGP Key: 0x5AE7D984 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 16:23:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E0737B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326A043FBD for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5ANNrbr012669; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5ANNrxX012668; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:23:53 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Tim Bishop Message-ID: <20030610232353.GB11960@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030610164328.GD2099@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <200306101848.h5AImAVt006033@lurza.secnetix.de> <20030610212022.GB14325@ns1.xcllnt.net> <20030610213812.GB10251@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030610223657.GA15071@ns1.xcllnt.net> <20030610225819.GA11960@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030610231558.GA11147@carrick.bishnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030610231558.GA11147@carrick.bishnet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] FreeBSD 5.1 Released! X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:23:57 -0000 On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 12:15:58AM +0100, Tim Bishop wrote: > Why not start by being a "mirror coordinator", or similar. You could > be the person people go to for (using your example) things like DNS > changes - even if you have to pass the request on to a third party to > action. In time, more responsibility and power would come? Assuming > you're not actually Bill Gates in disguise ;) > > It'd be good to have a single point-of-contact for mirror issues, and > someone who'd be responsible for decision making. In the long run it > could make release time a breeze ;) Works for me if nobody has any objections and someone can provide me a roadmap of the folks who do the real work. Does this earn me "kensmith@freebsd.org"? :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 17:44:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB31937B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rc.isc.org (rc.isc.org [204.152.187.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6A343FBF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [2001:4f8:3:bb:290:27ff:fe73:8215]) by rc.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DFFC048 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) Received: from skaro.isc.org (skaro.isc.org [2001:4f8:3:bb:240:63ff:fec3:5921]) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074E9A861 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:44:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) From: Peter Losher Organization: ISC To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:45:04 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 X-PGP-Key-Location: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE8048D08 X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E21B 54E9 85E6 69AD 59FF 491E 3ED5 71F4 E804 8D08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306101745.04117@tardis.isc.org> Subject: Traffic stats for 5.1-RELEASE yesterday? (and a rant) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:44:33 -0000 So from a mildly curious perspective on my part, what were the traffic=20 impacts from yesterday's 5.1-RELEASE event on (at least the Tier-1 mirrors)? =46rom our end we reached a sustained peak of ~150-170MB/sec for just over= =20 three hours mid-day yesterday (Pacific) before slowly tapering off (Mmmm, /= =2E=20 effect) Hope everyone involved loved slurping their ISO's :) BTW, we replaced the GigE card on the system from a Netgear to a Intel Sund= ay=20 night. Worked like a charm. One thing that's been bothering me ever since I started looking at the xfer= =20 logs (always a bad idea) ;) is seeing the number of mirror sites that slur= p=20 from us because... well, because we are ftp.freebsd.org. I see site after= =20 site banging away at us with mirror software from across the oceans (and=20 some big sites back on the US East Coast) where I know network wise, they=20 have other Tier-1 mirrors closer than to us (or to beastie.tdk.net)) So, I= =20 am tempted to add this to my "too many users" message. =2D=3D- Also, for all mirrors not mirroring directly from the master repository - Please choose a different host to mirror from. Look at the URL provided above, and note that all Tier 1 mirrors have exactly the same access to the master repository as ftp.FreeBSD.org. There is no reason to stress trans-continental (or trans-oceanic) links just to say that you sync up with ftp.FreeBSD.org, when you might have a Tier 1 mirror located right next door that has the same access to the master repository and likely has a faster transfer rate to you. It's for your own good - really ;-) =2D=3D- Not that I suspect those automated mirror scripts will read/care, but it=20 makes me feel better... :) =2DPeter =2D-=20 Peter_Losher@isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 19:17:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3C637B401; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEB243F75; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:17:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6807641C0; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:17:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE8941B3; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:17:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF5B1E460E; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:17:39 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:17:39 +0900 Message-ID: <7mwuftfjcs.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: re@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Remove old 5.1-* bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:17:45 -0000 Hi re@, Could you please removing following directories? drwxrwxr-x 15 scottl archive 1024 Jun 1 06:34 alpha/5.1-RC1 drwxr-xr-x 19 scottl archive 1024 May 31 21:47 i386/5.1-RC1 drwxrwxr-x 13 marcel archive 1024 Jun 3 19:44 ia64/5.1-RC1 drwxr-xr-x 19 scottl archive 1024 May 9 17:37 pc98/5.1-BETA drwxr-xr-x 13 scottl archive 1024 May 20 12:04 sparc64/5.1-BETA2 -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 19:21:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5343937B404 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (castle.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30ACA43FAF for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1])h5B2L0Y75668 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:21:00 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) In-Reply-To: <7mwuftfjcs.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> References: <7mwuftfjcs.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 Emacs/21.3 X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20030322(IM144) Lines: 12 From: Makoto Matsushita To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:20:59 +0900 Message-Id: <20030611112059M.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Remove old 5.1-* bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:21:03 -0000 kuriyama> drwxrwxr-x 15 scottl archive 1024 Jun 1 06:34 alpha/5.1-RC1 kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 19 scottl archive 1024 May 31 21:47 i386/5.1-RC1 kuriyama> drwxrwxr-x 13 marcel archive 1024 Jun 3 19:44 ia64/5.1-RC1 kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 19 scottl archive 1024 May 9 17:37 pc98/5.1-BETA kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 13 scottl archive 1024 May 20 12:04 sparc64/5.1-BETA2 And, how about 4.6.2-RELEASE for i386/alpha? We have removed all packages for 4.6.2 already. -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 19:29:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9B237B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (castle.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D0F43F93 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1])h5B2TAY76116 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:29:10 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) In-Reply-To: <20030611112059M.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> References: <7mwuftfjcs.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030611112059M.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 Emacs/21.3 X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20030322(IM144) Lines: 13 From: Makoto Matsushita To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:29:08 +0900 Message-Id: <20030611112908X.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Remove old 5.1-* bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:29:12 -0000 matusita> And, how about 4.6.2-RELEASE for i386/alpha? We have removed all matusita> packages for 4.6.2 already. Oops, s/alpha//; (i.e. packages-4.6.2-release is there for alpha). Speaking about alpha, there's still 4.4-RELEASE which packages were no longer there. Yet another "removing them all" candidate will be in releases/${arch}/ISO-IMAGES directory. -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 19:36:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EADA37B401; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from builder.freebsdmall.com (builder.freebsdmall.com [65.86.180.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9563E43FBD; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@builder.freebsdmall.com) Received: by builder.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 1999613C6; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:36:49 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Makoto Matsushita Message-ID: <20030611023649.GQ390@freebsdmall.com> References: <7mwuftfjcs.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030611112059M.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gatW/ieO32f1wygP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030611112059M.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: re@FreeBSD.org cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Remove old 5.1-* bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:36:52 -0000 --gatW/ieO32f1wygP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 11:20:59AM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote: >=20 > kuriyama> drwxrwxr-x 15 scottl archive 1024 Jun 1 06:34 alpha/5.1-RC1 > kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 19 scottl archive 1024 May 31 21:47 i386/5.1-RC1 > kuriyama> drwxrwxr-x 13 marcel archive 1024 Jun 3 19:44 ia64/5.1-RC1 > kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 19 scottl archive 1024 May 9 17:37 pc98/5.1-BETA > kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 13 scottl archive 1024 May 20 12:04 sparc64/5.1-B= ETA2 >=20 > And, how about 4.6.2-RELEASE for i386/alpha? We have removed all > packages for 4.6.2 already. I've removed ia64/5.1-RC1 and am in the process of archiving and removing 4.6.2 for i386/alpha. The permissions for the others won't allow me to remove them, though I suspect Scott will get to that soon. I just noticed that the 5.1-RC1/i386 packages directory was setup wrong so that we couldn't have possible had people doing test installs with packages. ;( - Murray --gatW/ieO32f1wygP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+5pXAtNcQog5FH30RAu4zAKCOYmlUzGeexj4CgSWzupfdvXB68gCeNJ78 O6820r6fj0i7+sjYb0RR2c8= =4AC2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gatW/ieO32f1wygP-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 10 19:44:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9346B37B401 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82AC43F75 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 9E6CE48E6F; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9608B52D95; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:44:02 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Makoto Matsushita In-Reply-To: <20030611112908X.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <7mwuftfjcs.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030611112059M.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <20030611112908X.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove old 5.1-* bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 02:44:05 -0000 On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Makoto Matsushita wrote: > matusita> And, how about 4.6.2-RELEASE for i386/alpha? We have removed all > matusita> packages for 4.6.2 already. > > Oops, s/alpha//; (i.e. packages-4.6.2-release is there for alpha). > Speaking about alpha, there's still 4.4-RELEASE which packages were no > longer there. > > Yet another "removing them all" candidate will be in > releases/${arch}/ISO-IMAGES directory. personally we (ftp.au) have archived all the older releases off the main freebsd area and at this stage are only keeping ISO images and RELEASE trees for 4.8-RELEASE, 5.0-RELEASE and 5.1-RELEASE for i386/alpha/amd64/sparc64 where relevant. the same for the package trees (ports) this means the data set requirements can broadly be classified as (in order of most demand from mirrors) FreeBSD releases (per architecture): RELEASE tree and ISO images FreeBSD packages (per architecture): package tree per release FreeBSD 'current' packages per architecture: 4-current and 5-current FreeBSD 'stable' packages per architecture: 4-stable and 5-stable FreeBSD distfiles and local distfiles FreeBSD CVSup tree [1] FreeBSD misc in the past i have been discussing with murray the possibility of setting up a 'FreeBSD-archive' server. i'm hoping to make such a machine available (assuming it doesn't exist already) sometime next month where all the older releases can be stored for posterity, hopefully back to 1.0 and beyond. i might require some assistance from people to dig up their old FreeBSD CD sets so we can re-create ISO images to be stored. it will probably be able to be mirrored from, so if there are sites out there that would like to keep some of the older releases around, is it ok to standardize on a directory name of /pub/FreeBSD-archive rather than trying to keep it 'within' the /pub/FreeBSD tree. regards, -jason [1] the cvsup source tree is in high demand but over a more constant time rather than the 'bursts' of a new release. cvsup users tend to be updating their servers more often to the latest -STABLE rather than doing 'fresh' installs when a new -RELEASE is out. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 11 01:04:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1FC37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exhsto1.se.dataphone.com (exhsto1.se.dataphone.com [212.37.6.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031A043FE3 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrik.forsberg@dataphone.net) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:04:25 +0200 Message-ID: <8F69143C0B1A9F4D95AFC58CF69877E501354ACE@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ftp5.se.freebsd.org - down. Thread-Index: AcMv8BJecOPosrEkSm2zRIMZ8TPymw== From: "Patrik Forsberg" To: Subject: ftp5.se.freebsd.org - down. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:04:33 -0000 Hi. Due to hardware failure on our mirror raid the ftp-mirror of FreeBSD is shutdown until futher notice. CVSup and WWW mirror will keep on running for now.=20 RSync is disabled as it takes its data from the FTP archive. Regards, Patrik From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 11 01:10:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98F637B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D037943F3F for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesper@skriver.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ED23A384E6; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:10:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:10:51 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: Peter Losher Message-ID: <20030611081051.GB14097@skriver.dk> References: <200306101745.04117@tardis.isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306101745.04117@tardis.isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Traffic stats for 5.1-RELEASE yesterday? (and a rant) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:10:54 -0000 On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:45:04PM -0700, Peter Losher wrote: > So from a mildly curious perspective on my part, what were the traffic > impacts from yesterday's 5.1-RELEASE event on (at least the Tier-1 mirrors)? > > From our end we reached a sustained peak of ~150-170MB/sec for just over > three hours mid-day yesterday (Pacific) before slowly tapering off (Mmmm, /. > effect) Hope everyone involved loved slurping their ISO's :) The other half of ftp.FreeBSD.org saw similar xfer rates > BTW, we replaced the GigE card on the system from a Netgear to a Intel Sunday > night. Worked like a charm. We use a 3com 3c985-SX (Alteon, ti driver), as we had stability problems with the Intel cards with the gx driver, this was before the em driver was available. > One thing that's been bothering me ever since I started looking at the xfer > logs (always a bad idea) ;) is seeing the number of mirror sites that slurp > from us because... well, because we are ftp.freebsd.org. I see site after > site banging away at us with mirror software from across the oceans (and > some big sites back on the US East Coast) where I know network wise, they > have other Tier-1 mirrors closer than to us (or to beastie.tdk.net)) So, I > am tempted to add this to my "too many users" message. We use: jesper@ftp% cat ftpmotd The FreeBSD mirror at TDC, in Aarhus, Denmark, Europe Contact: beastie@tdk.net Use wisely. #################################################################### Please check the below URL to see if you have a closer mirror, especially during releases of new versions of FreeBSD, the load on this server can be quite high, and it's likely that you will get better transfer rates from your local mirror. Specifically should all mirrors not mirroring directly from the master repository choose a different host than this to mirror from, for the reasons mentioned above, I should also add that all tier 1 mirrors have exactly the same access to the master repository as ftp.FreeBSD.org #################################################################### jesper@ftp% cat msg.toomany Sorry, too many connections, try again later. #################################################################### Please check the below URL to see if you have a closer mirror, especially during releases of new versions of FreeBSD, the load on this server can be quite high, and it's likely that you will get better transfer rates from your local mirror. or for short Specifically should all mirrors not mirroring directly from the master repository choose a different host than this to mirror from, for the reasons mentioned above, I should also add that all tier 1 mirrors have exactly the same access to the master repository as ftp.FreeBSD.org #################################################################### > -=- > Also, for all mirrors not mirroring directly from the master > repository - Please choose a different host to mirror from. Look > at the URL provided above, and note that all Tier 1 mirrors have > exactly the same access to the master repository as ftp.FreeBSD.org. > There is no reason to stress trans-continental (or trans-oceanic) > links just to say that you sync up with ftp.FreeBSD.org, when you > might have a Tier 1 mirror located right next door that has the > same access to the master repository and likely has a faster > transfer rate to you. > > It's for your own good - really ;-) > -=- > > Not that I suspect those automated mirror scripts will read/care, but it > makes me feel better... :) Yes - at one point I was tempted to deny obvious "mirrors" access, hoping a human might actually read the message ... /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 11 01:13:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5422337B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE54D43F3F for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B0D66CFA; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 595A8B4A; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:13:05 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Makoto Matsushita Message-ID: <20030611081305.GA14379@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <7mwuftfjcs.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030611112059M.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030611112059M.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Remove old 5.1-* bits X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:13:06 -0000 --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 11:20:59AM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote: >=20 > kuriyama> drwxrwxr-x 15 scottl archive 1024 Jun 1 06:34 alpha/5.1-RC1 > kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 19 scottl archive 1024 May 31 21:47 i386/5.1-RC1 > kuriyama> drwxrwxr-x 13 marcel archive 1024 Jun 3 19:44 ia64/5.1-RC1 > kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 19 scottl archive 1024 May 9 17:37 pc98/5.1-BETA > kuriyama> drwxr-xr-x 13 scottl archive 1024 May 20 12:04 sparc64/5.1-B= ETA2 >=20 > And, how about 4.6.2-RELEASE for i386/alpha? We have removed all > packages for 4.6.2 already. FYI, they weren't removed, just moved out of the ftp directory into another filesystem on ftp-master. Kris --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+5uSRWry0BWjoQKURAvk8AJwKc9w+5wPU4M/YDrI+dO9ceF40uwCcDZAZ /3MwQJ9AAPKzQM0gvTjWP9g= =dgfO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 11 07:19:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961EE37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.iskon.hr (mail.iskon.hr [213.191.128.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23CCB43FD7 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 07:19:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Damjan.Marion@iskon.hr) Received: (qmail 27973 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2003 16:19:02 +0200 Received: from trinity.iskon.hr (HELO trinity.iskon.local) (213.191.128.86) by mail.iskon.hr with SMTP; 11 Jun 2003 16:19:02 +0200 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:19:02 +0200 Message-ID: <5896D609E682954B8B3DB4BB513EDCEE01AF824C@trinity.iskon.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 1st Croatian mirror Thread-Index: AcMumRGv6FF1Vd0yTxa1tXWhoR1rhABixcjw From: "Damjan Marion" To: "Gordon Tetlow" cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 1st Croatian mirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:19:21 -0000 =20 > > Is posible to got hr.freebsd.org for my mirror? >=20 > Please contact dnsadm@ about this request. >=20 > -gordon >=20 I tried dnsadm@ and hostmaster@ but I got no response. I will appreciate any kind of answer. Damjan From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 10:30:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F423B37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.gnf.org (ns1.gnf.org [63.196.132.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FECF43FBD for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org (exch01.lj.gnf.org [172.25.10.19]) by ns1.gnf.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5CHUctF045512 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: from roark.gnf.org ([172.25.24.15]) by EXCHCLUSTER01.lj.gnf.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:30:38 -0700 Received: from roark.gnf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHUcNb089099; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gtetlow@gnf.org) Received: (from gtetlow@localhost) by roark.gnf.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5CHUbRT089093; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:30:37 -0700 From: Gordon Tetlow To: Damjan Marion Message-ID: <20030612173037.GD691@roark.gnf.org> References: <5896D609E682954B8B3DB4BB513EDCEE01AF824C@trinity.iskon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z7ir0bSQfJ1ZTyo9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5896D609E682954B8B3DB4BB513EDCEE01AF824C@trinity.iskon.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). 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X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2003 17:30:39.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[57470F40:01C33108] cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 1st Croatian mirror X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:30:40 -0000 --z7ir0bSQfJ1ZTyo9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 04:19:02PM +0200, Damjan Marion wrote: > =20 > > > Is posible to got hr.freebsd.org for my mirror? > >=20 > > Please contact dnsadm@ about this request. > >=20 >=20 > I tried dnsadm@ and hostmaster@ but I got no response. >=20 > I will appreciate any kind of answer. The best thing I can tell you is to try again. -gordon --z7ir0bSQfJ1ZTyo9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+6Li9Ru2t9DV9ZfsRAngKAJ9Z/Nlg32jD8gaXvfbz0UHcLk4G3gCdFPGc P/jy9Cdx7iqJRIiveci3r9g= =rW48 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z7ir0bSQfJ1ZTyo9-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 10:42:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5794337B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B5A43FA3 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CHeqOn066253 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:40:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)h5CHeqDH066250 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:40:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:42:24 -0000 I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! Thanks, Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Network Associates Laboratories From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 11:02:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBC837B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3122243FCB for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:02:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5CI2ibr026328 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5CI2iax026327 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:02:44 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: The recent thread... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:02:46 -0000 Just so you know... I think I've figured out "generally how things work" (with lots of help from Jun) and how to approach trying to make something happen. For now I'd like to learn how to crawl before I attempt walking. I'll be drafting a "Please handle releases way" we can pass on to the RE folks now that there is interest in having a more formal and "staged" release. When the draft is ready I'll post it here for comments, ammend it as needed, and then we can try to pass it on to re@ for them to chew on. I'm not sure if it's something that should be done but seeing if the mirror system does handle the staged releases properly (meaning the -RELEASE stuff doesn't become publically downloadable from anywhere before the Release Date) should probably be thought about. This latest release was the first time that was a concern at all that I'm aware of. If any of you have doubts/questions/etc. and want someone to ask about it feel free to ask me. If I don't know the answer I don't mind trying to find the answer. I do have some ideas about how other things might be handled better, push mechanisms, etc. and I'd like to get to them at some point later if that's OK. Basically I want to try and get something *relatively* easy done first, then move on to something that is harder... Hopefully by that time I'll know more about the existing FreeBSD administrative structure and maybe they'll have been hearing enough from me that they're confident I'm not Bill Gates... :-) If anyone sees anything wrong with this let me know... -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 11:35:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD0137B43D; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F5343F85; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (bixsto@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5CIZFB5006390; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:35:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h5CIZF7t006388; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:35:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200306121835.h5CIZF7t006388@lurza.secnetix.de> To: rwatson@freebsd.org (Robert Watson) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:35:15 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: from "Robert Watson" at Jun 12, 2003 01:40:52 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:35:19 -0000 Robert Watson wrote: > I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love > to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! I have some for ftp7.de, but this is one of the less frequently visited mirrors, so the numbers may appear a bit pathetic ... ;-) 157 i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 124 i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso 98 i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso 12 i386/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.aa 4 alpha/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-alpha-disc1.iso 2 alpha/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-alpha-disc2.iso 3 alpha/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-alpha-miniinst.iso 4 sparc64/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-sparc64-miniinst.iso 1 ia64/ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE/5.1-RELEASE-ia64-miniinst.iso Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 11:47:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A090F37B409; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CD343F85; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from langd@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:47:37 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20030612184737.GA70508@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at informatik.tu-muenchen.de cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:47:41 -0000 --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Robert, Robert Watson wrote on Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:40:52PM -0400: [..] > I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love > to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! ftp.leo.org has some rough 500 downloads of 5.1-R iso images (414 ftp, 72 http, 19 rsync) so far. 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mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA8437B401; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE6743FB1; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CIw8hS028249; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CIw8K4000587; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5CIw8MT000586; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:58:08 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Oliver Fromme Message-ID: <20030612185808.GB543@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <200306121835.h5CIZF7t006388@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306121835.h5CIZF7t006388@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: Robert Watson cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 18:58:09 -0000 On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 08:35:15PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > Robert Watson wrote: > > I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love > > to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! > > I have some for ftp7.de, but this is one of the less > frequently visited mirrors, so the numbers may appear > a bit pathetic ... ;-) > > 1 ia64/ISO-IMAGES/5.1-RELEASE/5.1-RELEASE-ia64-miniinst.iso This wasn't me, I promise :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 12:00:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BD237B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C515343F93 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CIxuPx001397; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:59:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:59:55 -0400 To: Ken Smith , freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 cc: jdp@polstra.com Subject: Re: The recent thread... handling new releases X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:00:05 -0000 At 2:02 PM -0400 6/12/03, Ken Smith wrote: > >For now I'd like to learn how to crawl before I attempt walking. >I'll be drafting a "Please handle releases way" ... > >I'm not sure if it's something that should be done but seeing >if the mirror system does handle the staged releases properly >(meaning the -RELEASE stuff doesn't become publically >downloadable from anywhere before the Release Date) should >probably be thought about. I have wondered if cvsup could be smart enough to download files under one name, and then afterwards (on a later run) know to just rename that file to the official name for a public release. Eg, some way to say if file .IMAGE001 exists and if the bytesize is 123456789 and if the MD5 of it is f4f4acfc8322c267618f93c52d465e4c then rename .IMAGE001 to 5.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso endif Proceed with standard cvsup processing. This would at least reduce the exposure from people who say "A FILE EXISTS, THE RELEASE *MUST* HAVE HAPPENED!!!!", usually at the first millisecond that any official-looking filename appears on any ftp server. This would probably have to be based on some special control file that cvsup would download (where the name of that file would be set in the cvsup config file). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 12:10:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8957837B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [65.60.36.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5923D43FB1 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id CD8881CEC7; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:12:59 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030612191259.GS59605@freebsdmall.com> References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The recent thread... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:10:33 -0000 --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 02:02:44PM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > For now I'd like to learn how to crawl before I attempt walking. > I'll be drafting a "Please handle releases way" we can > pass on to the RE folks now that there is interest in having > a more formal and "staged" release. When the draft is ready I'll > post it here for comments, ammend it as needed, and then we can > try to pass it on to re@ for them to chew on. That one part of it, but another important part is coordination with the mirror operators to generate combined transfer statistics. I sent out a request 6 months ago about this and some individual operators were willing to help out, but no one stepped up to do the coordination required. We need someone to coordinate with the mirrors to come up with a standard way that the FTP and HTTP log files can be fetched from the various mirrors. Nightly scripts running on a set machine would then fetch the log files, recognize a few different standard formats, and then process them to generate a combined report that is posted to a web page and sent out to this list on a weekly or monthly basis. Aside from the fetching/rsyncing of multiple logs from various sites, this isn't much more complicated than the old combined www.freebsd.org/ftp.freebsd.org transfer statistics we used to generate for cdrom.com 5 years ago. The scripts to parse the log files and generate very nice graphs, top-ten lists, etc are very easy to write or adapt from existing sources (mostly in Perl). All that is needed is someone to coordinate and get this all started with the mirror operators. Of course, all of this is a different task than the one you've outlined for yourself in the message I'm replying to, but I hope you'll consider taking up this work to. ;) You'd be a hero in the FreeBSD world. - Murray --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+6NC76wYGSHBsCdYRAhtOAJ9rYKbB+AlcpB+tLImtLFt6H4HwMQCdEpNL tQwfM+vjFiaPMzdXUWLrEzA= =1KJo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 13:02:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866ED37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0625E43FB1 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5CK29br029406; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5CK29QI029405; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:02:09 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20030612200209.GJ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030612191259.GS59605@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030612191259.GS59605@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith Subject: Re: The recent thread... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:02:11 -0000 On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 12:12:59PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > All that is needed is someone to coordinate and get this all started > with the mirror operators. I've been told there isn't really a "Mirror Coordinator" job and it's not clear to me who would decide whether or not there should be one (and then, naturally, appoint one... :-/). So far Jun is the closest person I can come to as far as being a director of what happens amongst the mirrors so for now I'm pestering him with what approach to take. Jun is the one who handles access to the ftp-master set of machines and that sort of thing. This is basically what we came up with - I'll take the steps I've mentioned so far and then see where it leads. I don't mind taking on the task you mentioned and will stash it away for future reference. I'm afraid that task would be something that would take a while. The mirror structure as it exists now got started a very long time ago and there is a very mixed bag as far as what happens at each site goes. As Jun cautioned me hubs@ isn't even an "authoritative" list - there are Official Mirror Sites whose admins aren't listening right now. :-) I'll aim towards being able to do what you folks want and see where it goes. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 13:08:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B832E37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [65.60.36.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6BB43FA3 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 1796E1CEC4; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:10:54 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030612201054.GB59605@freebsdmall.com> References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030612191259.GS59605@freebsdmall.com> <20030612200209.GJ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030612200209.GJ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The recent thread... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:08:27 -0000 On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 04:02:09PM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > I've been told there isn't really a "Mirror Coordinator" job and it's > not clear to me who would decide whether or not there should be one > (and then, naturally, appoint one... :-/). So far Jun is the closest Almost all "titles" in the FreeBSD Project are earned first and announced later. It's very rare that someone would be appointed to a given position before they are already handling the given responsibilities. It's just the way the culture around here has evolved over the past 10 years. > I'll aim towards being able to do what you folks want and see where > it goes. Great. So, by all means, coordinate, draft proposals, and send them here for discussion. Don't let the lack of an official sanction stop you. Please work with Jun the most, because as you say, he's the closest we have to the desired role, and he's the only person's shoes you could possibly step on. - Murray From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 13:33:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A5E37B401; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bitbucket.ops.aol.com (bitbucket.ops.aol.com [152.163.136.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D31743FD7; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eng@bitbucket.ops.aol.com) Received: (from eng@localhost) by bitbucket.ops.aol.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h5CKXuO12440; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:33:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:33:56 -0400 From: Erik Gault To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20030612203355.GL21166@bitbucket.ops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: [e@gaultopia.org: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:33:59 -0000 Return-Path: Received: from postman4.mx.aol.com (postman4.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.131]) by bitbucket.ops.aol.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5CKWHR12303 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:32:17 -0400 Received: from gaultopia.org (yttrium.4ph.com [66.197.0.170]) by postman4.mx.aol.com (8.12.9/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h5CKWGZl005962 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30249 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 20:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.gaultopia.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 20:32:16 -0000 Received: from 152.163.190.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user eng) by www.gaultopia.org with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28807.152.163.190.1.1055449936.squirrel@www.gaultopia.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? From: "Erik Gault" To: "Robert Watson" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.0 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal For ftp2.freebsd.org, via ftp service: (any .iso file in pub/FreeBSD/releases/*/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/) alpha .iso files: 176 amd64 .iso files: 18 i386 .iso files: 4159 ia64 .iso files: 2 pc98 .iso files: 49 sparc64 .iso files: 146 (any boot.flp or kern.flp in pub/FreeBSD/releases/*/5.1-RELEASE/floppies/) alpha floppies: 91 amd64 floppies: 9 i386 floppies: 144 ia64 floppies: 2 pc98 floppies: 43 sparc64 floppies: 48 Unfortunately I discovered I don't have any http logs since release due to incorrect ownership on the log file. Erik Robert Watson said: > > I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love > to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! > > Thanks, > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects > robert@fledge.watson.org Network Associates Laboratories > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hubs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hubs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 14:00:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B1637B401; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from builder.freebsdmall.com (builder.freebsdmall.com [65.86.180.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FED143FD7; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@builder.freebsdmall.com) Received: by builder.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 225CA13C6; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:00:21 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Erik Gault Message-ID: <20030612210021.GC390@freebsdmall.com> References: <20030612203355.GL21166@bitbucket.ops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Y5rl02BVI9TCfPar" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030612203355.GL21166@bitbucket.ops.aol.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: Robert Watson cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [e@gaultopia.org: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:00:22 -0000 --Y5rl02BVI9TCfPar Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 04:33:56PM -0400, Erik Gault wrote: > (any .iso file in pub/FreeBSD/releases/*/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/) >=20 > alpha .iso files: 176 > amd64 .iso files: 18 > i386 .iso files: 4159 Are these completed download are all attempts? .iso entries in the logs will be inflated if you don't take into account the number of bytes transferred, since people often try several times before successfully completing an ISO download. - Murray --Y5rl02BVI9TCfPar Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+6OnktNcQog5FH30RAm9lAJ4oxrPi45IIM7EUSjz8SnzfBlIoYwCfULlX 02ZSYvoeD9bqeZwRNAND7Ck= =k6SV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Y5rl02BVI9TCfPar-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 14:04:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B4637B401; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carrick.bishnet.net (carrick.bishnet.net [217.204.9.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AEC43FE0; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tdb@carrick.bishnet.net) Received: from tdb by carrick.bishnet.net with local (Exim 4.20) id 19QZF8-000BDx-Ge; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:04:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:04:22 +0100 From: Tim Bishop To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20030612210422.GF17496@carrick.bishnet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Key: 0x5AE7D984 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1453 086E 9376 1A50 ECF6 AE05 7DCE D659 5AE7 D984 Sender: "T.D.Bishop" X-Bishnet-MailScanner-Information: Contact postmaster@bishnet.net X-Bishnet-MailScanner-VirusCheck: Found to be clean cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:04:28 -0000 On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:40:52PM -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > > I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love > to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! ftp2.uk.freebsd.org 234 i386 ISO's 7 i386 base.aa's 2 pc98 ISO's 1 pc98 base.aa's If you count those as individual downloads that's 244. Tim. -- Tim Bishop http://www.bishnet.net/tim PGP Key: 0x5AE7D984 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 14:18:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA2737B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860C143FA3 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:18:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5CLILbr001227; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5CLILTe001226; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:18:21 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20030612211821.GQ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: Ken Smith cc: jdp@polstra.com Subject: Re: The recent thread... handling new releases X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:18:23 -0000 On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 02:59:55PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > I have wondered if cvsup could be smart enough to download files > under one name, and then afterwards (on a later run) know to just > rename that file to the official name for a public release. This is an "I don't know but can look into it". Even if the answer is "Yes" though, it might be more important to focus on what motivated the question. I have learned that the transfer mechanisms in use amongst the mirrors varies widely, not all use cvsup. As far as I can tell there is nothing that could do this in rsync for example, I already know a bit more about rsync than cvsup. With some research maybe a mechanism that accomplishes the goal can be found that would work for more transfer mechanisms (not sure what right now, but playing games with hard links type thing maybe). -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 14:40:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2152437B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaultopia.org (yttrium.4ph.com [66.197.0.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA36743FBF for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e@gaultopia.org) Received: (qmail 32707 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2003 21:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.gaultopia.org) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jun 2003 21:40:02 -0000 Received: from 152.163.190.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user eng) by www.gaultopia.org with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <30134.152.163.190.1.1055454002.squirrel@www.gaultopia.org> In-Reply-To: <20030612210021.GC390@freebsdmall.com> References: <20030612203355.GL21166@bitbucket.ops.aol.com> <20030612210021.GC390@freebsdmall.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:40:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Erik Gault" To: "Murray Stokely" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.0 [CVS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:40:04 -0000 Murray Stokely said: > Are these completed download are all attempts? .iso entries in the > logs will be inflated if you don't take into account the number of > bytes transferred, since people often try several times before > successfully completing an ISO download. > > - Murray Good call Murray, huge difference in numbers. If I understand the ftp logs correctly then here are completed downloads only (where "get pub/whatever = XXXX bytes" had the correct number of bytes for the whole file), broken down even further cause it was easier that way ;). 11 alpha/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-alpha-miniinst.iso 17 alpha/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-alpha-disc1.iso 17 alpha/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-alpha-disc2.iso 6 amd64/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-amd64-miniinst.iso 6 amd64/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc2.iso 225 i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso 402 i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 310 i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso 30 sparc64/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-sparc64-miniinst.iso 20 sparc64/ISO-IMAGES/5.1/5.1-RELEASE-sparc64-disc2.iso From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 14:55:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338E237B401; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carrick.bishnet.net (carrick.bishnet.net [217.204.9.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880FF43FAF; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:55:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tdb@carrick.bishnet.net) Received: from tdb by carrick.bishnet.net with local (Exim 4.20) id 19Qa2d-000BKJ-SD; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:55:31 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:55:31 +0100 From: Tim Bishop To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20030612215531.GG17496@carrick.bishnet.net> References: <20030612210422.GF17496@carrick.bishnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030612210422.GF17496@carrick.bishnet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Key: 0x5AE7D984 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 1453 086E 9376 1A50 ECF6 AE05 7DCE D659 5AE7 D984 Sender: "T.D.Bishop" X-Bishnet-MailScanner-Information: Contact postmaster@bishnet.net X-Bishnet-MailScanner-VirusCheck: Found to be clean cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:55:37 -0000 On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:04:22PM +0100, Tim Bishop wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:40:52PM -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > > > > I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love > > to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! > > ftp2.uk.freebsd.org > > 234 i386 ISO's > 7 i386 base.aa's > 2 pc98 ISO's > 1 pc98 base.aa's > > If you count those as individual downloads that's 244. Just noticed Murray's mail, so I thought I'd add that these are complete downloads only (the number of times the whole file has been downloaded - including downloads of the file in chunks). Tim. -- Tim Bishop http://www.bishnet.net/tim PGP Key: 0x5AE7D984 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 15:10:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED6637B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E319D43F75 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMAKhS029265; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CMAKK4012993; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5CMAJhp012992; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:10:19 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030612221019.GA12301@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030612211821.GQ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030612211821.GQ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: jdp@polstra.com Subject: Re: The recent thread... handling new releases X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 22:10:29 -0000 On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 05:18:21PM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 02:59:55PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > > I have wondered if cvsup could be smart enough to download files > > under one name, and then afterwards (on a later run) know to just > > rename that file to the official name for a public release. > > This is an "I don't know but can look into it". Even if the answer is > "Yes" though, it might be more important to focus on what motivated > the question. Yes. Once you know what you want to achieve (and why) it's easier to come up with mechanisms that do it. > With some research > maybe a mechanism that accomplishes the goal can be found that would > work for more transfer mechanisms (not sure what right now, but playing > games with hard links type thing maybe). Maybe split the problem space into 2 parts: 1. The actual data and the mechanisms for distributing it. Typical characteristics here are bandwidth consumption, transport delays and disk space usage. 2. The meta-data that describes the data and controls access. Small pieces of information you can more easily distribute to all mirrors at once and can be used to set/change mods, rename/move files, locking/unlocking directories, checksums, download statistics and the likes. Just a brainwave. Use anyway you want... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 16:15:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A4E37B404 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skid.isc.org (skid.isc.org [204.152.184.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD3843FD7 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [2001:4f8:3:bb:290:27ff:fe73:8215]) by skid.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7298D621 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) Received: from skaro.isc.org (skaro.isc.org [2001:4f8:3:bb:240:63ff:fec3:5921]) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9D9A82B for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter_Losher@isc.org) From: Peter Losher Organization: ISC To: hubs@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:15:44 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 X-PGP-Key-Location: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xE8048D08 X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: E21B 54E9 85E6 69AD 59FF 491E 3ED5 71F4 E804 8D08 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306121615.44228@tardis.isc.org> Subject: Anyone getting intactivity errors from ftp-master? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:15:06 -0000 I have been trying to do a full cvsup of FreeBSD-archive for the past couple of days for the U.S. side of ftp.freebsd.org, and keep getting timeouts. Has anyone else experienced this (we are only five hops away from ftp-master, so I would hate to think it was a network issue. -=- Connected to ftp-master.freebsd.org Falling back to protocol version 16.1 Updating collection FreeBSD-archive/all Create FreeBSD/development/CTM/ports-cur/ports-cur.4782.gz Rsync FreeBSD/dir.sizes Rsync FreeBSD/ls-lR.gz Inactivity timeout Will retry at 19:40:54 Retrying Connected to ftp-master.freebsd.org Falling back to protocol version 16.1 Updating collection FreeBSD-archive/all Inactivity timeout Will retry at 21:30:32 Retrying Connected to ftp-master.freebsd.org Falling back to protocol version 16.1 Updating collection FreeBSD-archive/all Inactivity timeout Will retry at 23:20:28 -=- -- Peter_Losher@isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 16:17:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF7037B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388AA43F75 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5CNHBPx001715; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:17:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030612211821.GQ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030612211821.GQ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:17:10 -0400 To: Ken Smith From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org cc: jdp@polstra.com Subject: Re: The recent thread... handling new releases X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:17:19 -0000 At 5:18 PM -0400 6/12/03, Ken Smith wrote: >On Thu, Jun 12, 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > >> I have wondered if cvsup could be smart enough to download files >> under one name, and then afterwards (on a later run) know to just > > rename that file to the official name for a public release. > >... I have learned that the transfer mechanisms in use amongst >the mirrors varies widely, not all use cvsup. As far as I can >tell there is nothing that could do this in rsync for example, >I already know a bit more about rsync than cvsup. You just need some automatic way to do it for any transfer mechanism. Eg, 1) rsync (or otherwise copy) some small directory which has the meta-info on moving files around. 2) locally process the information found in that directory. 3) rsync (or otherwise copy) the larger repositories. (the above is easy for any "pull" strategy, at least. Doing it via a "push" strategy might take a bit more thought) I just mentioned cvsup because that's what I'm using, so I want this to all happen automagically with the cvsup-mirror port. :-) -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 17:54:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED22737B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4172343FB1 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D0shjp088157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:54:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5D0sg4d088154; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:54:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:54:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200306130054.h5D0sg4d088154@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Peter Losher In-Reply-To: <200306121615.44228@tardis.isc.org> References: <200306121615.44228@tardis.isc.org> X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Anyone getting intactivity errors from ftp-master? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:54:46 -0000 < said: > I have been trying to do a full cvsup of FreeBSD-archive for the past couple > of days for the U.S. side of ftp.freebsd.org, and keep getting timeouts. > Has anyone else experienced this (we are only five hops away from > ftp-master, so I would hate to think it was a network issue. No, but ftp-master has been running e-x-t-r-e-m-e-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y recently. My current mirror job has been running for more than 24 hours and it's still working on 5.0-release packages. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 12 20:28:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB89337B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD7143FCB for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5D3SLbr007525; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5D3SKAV007524; Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 23:28:20 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Garance A Drosihn Message-ID: <20030613032820.GC6359@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030612211821.GQ21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The recent thread... handling new releases X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:28:23 -0000 On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 07:17:10PM -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > You just need some automatic way to do it for any transfer > mechanism. Eg, > > 1) rsync (or otherwise copy) some small directory which has > the meta-info on moving files around. > 2) locally process the information found in that directory. > 3) rsync (or otherwise copy) the larger repositories. > > (the above is easy for any "pull" strategy, at least. Doing it > via a "push" strategy might take a bit more thought) Please don't take this as me saying "No" or that this is a really bad idea. Please simply take this as "food for thought" in case we do move forward with this idea. You have probably thought about this already. IMO this would need to be implemented VERY carefully. With my "Paranoid Systems Administrator" hat on what this scenario brings to mind is email reading clients that allow attachments to run stuff on the local machine, particularly because of (2) above. The folks who decided to let the email clients do that had wonderful new features in mind when they made that decision but that mechanism has been used for a lot of things I'm sure they never intended. With much care this could definitely be implemented in a reasonable way I'm sure but it's not quite as simple a problem as it first appears. And for it to have the desired effect *everyone* would need to be doing it. At this point in trying to find my way around that sounds very difficult. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 00:45:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0754937B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCFB43F75 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:45:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D7j9sU037493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:45:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h5D7j9Dt037491; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:45:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:45:09 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Peter Losher Message-ID: <20030613074509.GA32612@fit.vutbr.cz> References: <200306121615.44228@tardis.isc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306121615.44228@tardis.isc.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: ftp-master.cz (Re: Anyone getting intactivity errors from ftp-master?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:45:15 -0000 Peter Losher wrote (2003/06/12): > Inactivity timeout Yes, I have seen this error on ftp-master.cz and as Jun wrote to me, he saw it too and he tries to track it down. I would like to repeat, that ftp-master.cz has still free resources (mainly for european sites). The more people moving from ftp-master, the better sync times expect ;o) Small FAQ: * ftp-master.cz does carry FTP part, i. e. ftp-master data; it does not carry cvsup-master data * ftp-master.cz offers cvsup/rsync/ftp access (yes, there were several problems, especially with learning of cvsup internals and hidden sources of problems in cvsup :o(, but looking into cvsupd.log, there are just usual "TreeComp failed: Network write failure: Connection timed out" errors now;;; small note about permissions 770(640) <=> 775(644): when I wrote that they should work on ftp-master.cz with cvsup, it wasn't truth yet :o( - I apologize - they have been fixed two or three days ago) Jun 13 02:36:00 cvsupd[16779]: +36 *.fr [SNAP_16_1f/17.0] Jun 13 04:43:20 cvsupd[16779]: =36 [29300Kin+2378011Kout] FreeBSD-archive/all Jun 13 04:43:20 cvsupd[16779]: -36 [29300Kin+2378011Kout] Finished successfully (310 KB/s) * almost everybody with access to ftp-master has access to ftp-master.cz, because I have merged ACL from ftp-master with local list some day in the past * until ftp-master.cz is overloaded, it is possible to sync as often, as you want (for example, I use every 3 hours on ftp.cz) -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 02:20:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693DB37B401; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (kazi.fit.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFA543FAF; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D9KmsU048083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:20:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.fit.vutbr.cz (8.12.9/8.12.5/Submit) id h5D9Klw2048082; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:20:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: kazi.fit.vutbr.cz: cejkar set sender to cejkar@fit.vutbr.cz using -f Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:20:47 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20030613092047.GA47822@fit.vutbr.cz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:20:53 -0000 Robert Watson wrote (2003/06/12): > I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love > to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! Hello, ftp.cz: 5.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso: 130.6 5.1-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso: 96.7 5.1-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso: 65.9 i386/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 17.0 5.1-RELEASE-alpha-disc1.iso: 1.9 5.1-RELEASE-alpha-disc2.iso: 0.6 5.1-RELEASE-alpha-miniinst.iso: 4.5 alpha/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 2.9 5.1-RELEASE-sparc64-disc2.iso: 1.9 5.1-RELEASE-sparc64-miniinst.iso: 6.8 sparc64/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 6.9 5.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc2.iso: 4.9 5.1-RELEASE-amd64-miniinst.iso: 7.8 amd64/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 7.9 5.1-RELEASE-ia64-disc2.iso: 1.8 5.1-RELEASE-ia64-miniinst.iso: 4.5 ia64/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 5.9 5.1-RELEASE-pc98-disc2.iso: 2.5 5.1-RELEASE-pc98-miniinst.iso: 4.9 pc98/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 5.9 -- 5.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso: 31.9 5.0-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso: 31.2 5.0-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso: 27.8 i386/5.0-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 15.0 5.0-RELEASE-alpha-disc1.iso: 0.0 5.0-RELEASE-alpha-disc2.iso: 0.0 5.0-RELEASE-alpha-miniinst.iso: 0.6 alpha/5.0-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 0.0 5.0-RELEASE-sparc64-disc1.iso: 0.0 5.0-RELEASE-sparc64-disc2.iso: 0.0 5.0-RELEASE-sparc64-miniinst.iso: 0.0 sparc64/5.0-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 0.0 5.0-RELEASE-ia64-disc2.iso: 0.0 5.0-RELEASE-ia64-miniinst.iso: 2.6 ia64/5.0-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 0.0 5.0-RELEASE-pc98-disc2.iso: 0.1 5.0-RELEASE-pc98-miniinst.iso: 1.0 pc98/5.0-RELEASE/base/base.ba: 0.0 4.8-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso: 19.5 4.8-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso: 8.6 4.8-RELEASE-i386-mini.iso: 9.3 i386/4.8-RELEASE/bin/bin.fa: 19.0 4.8-RELEASE-alpha-disc2.iso: 0.0 4.8-RELEASE-alpha-miniinst.iso: 0.0 alpha/4.8-RELEASE/bin/bin.fa: 0.0 -- Rudolf Cejka http://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~cejkar Brno University of Technology, Faculty of Information Technology Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 02:57:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4F137B401; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daemon.kr.FreeBSD.org (daemon.kr.freebsd.org [211.176.62.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C177D43F93; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org) Received: from gradius.wdb.co.kr (daemon [211.176.62.31]) by daemon.kr.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D795A8F60E; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:56:54 +0900 (KST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gradius.wdb.co.kr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5D9uohV025879; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:56:51 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:56:49 +0900 (KST) Message-Id: <20030613.185649.52161782.cjh@kr.FreeBSD.org> To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org From: CHOI Junho In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Korea FreeBSD Users Group X-URL: http://www.kr.FreeBSD.org/~cjh X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.51 on Emacs 21.2 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:57:04 -0000 ftp.kr: (until 13 Jun 18:50 KST(+0900), only full download) 5.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 407 5.1-RELEASE-i386-disc2.iso 242 5.1-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso 183 i386/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.ba 19 5.1-RELEASE-alpha-disc1.iso 3 5.1-RELEASE-alpha-disc2.iso 1 5.1-RELEASE-alpha-miniinst.iso 1 alpha/5.1-RELEASE/base/base.bi 1 From: Robert Watson Subject: Preparing BSD BoF presentation: how many 5.1 downloads? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:40:52 -0400 (EDT) > > I realize this may not be information we easily have on hand, but I'd love > to get some approximate numbers to show off this evening! > > Thanks, > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects > robert@fledge.watson.org Network Associates Laboratories > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hubs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hubs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- CHOI Junho KFUG FreeBSD Project Web Data Bank Key fingerprint = 1369 7374 A45F F41A F3C0 07E3 4A01 C020 E602 60F5 From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 05:03:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F01737B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genius.tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC4B43F93 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@genius.tao.org.uk) Received: by genius.tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id D224F4531; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:02:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:02:28 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030613120228.GJ20318@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mZBmBd1ZkdwT1ny" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: Notice: Oldest non-US cvsup server (cvsup3.freebsd.org.uk) decommisioned X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:03:19 -0000 --5mZBmBd1ZkdwT1ny Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI. Joe ----- Forwarded message from Josef Karthauser ----- =46rom: Josef Karthauser Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:59:58 -0700 (PDT) To: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors chapter.sgml joe 2003/06/13 04:59:58 PDT FreeBSD src repository Modified files: en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors chapter.sgml=20 Log: After years of service we've finally had to put cvsup3.uk.freebsd.org (bluecat.pavilion.net) to rest. Bluecat was, I believe, the third cvsup server in the world, and the first outside of the US. It was of course cvsup.uk.freebsd.org in those days. Thankyou Easynet for the continued support of this machine over the years. =20 Cvsup4 is now cvsup3, and cvsup5 is now cvsup4. =20 Revision Changes Path 1.298 +1 -6 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.s= gml ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ FreeBSD (cvs meister, admin and hacker) http://www.uk.FreeBSD.org/ Physics Particle Theory (student) http://www.pact.cpes.sussex.ac.uk/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D An eclectic mix of fact an= d theory. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --5mZBmBd1ZkdwT1ny Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj7pvVQACgkQXVIcjOaxUBZ45QCeMXTfARe79WkE67FzAb9/WT3X E2MAoKozRISDcD31jWzzLo6y07lSoBtn =bdf3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mZBmBd1ZkdwT1ny-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 05:04:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B971637B401; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAD143FE1; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CBD66B9B; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F15DBB77; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:04:54 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Josef Karthauser Message-ID: <20030613120454.GA69968@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030613120228.GJ20318@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030613120228.GJ20318@genius.tao.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Notice: Oldest non-US cvsup server (cvsup3.freebsd.org.uk) decommisioned X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:04:57 -0000 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:02:28PM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote: > After years of service we've finally had to put cvsup3.uk.freebsd.org > (bluecat.pavilion.net) to rest. RIP :-) Kris --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+6b3mWry0BWjoQKURAu1TAJ4ges5s06dFGPdrdmi/lgQNz6NNowCfdb/I csPqOksRrJ3qEh6pNQV97hk= =QeQH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 05:47:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABE237B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D9D43F85 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA8E41D4 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:47:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03E841CE for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:47:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2::130]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BCE1E460E for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:47:27 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:47:27 +0900 Message-ID: <7mbrx2cffk.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: hubs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200306121615.44228@tardis.isc.org> References: <200306121615.44228@tardis.isc.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 Subject: Re: Anyone getting intactivity errors from ftp-master? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:47:31 -0000 At Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:15:44 -0700, Peter Losher wrote: > I have been trying to do a full cvsup of FreeBSD-archive for the past couple > of days for the U.S. side of ftp.freebsd.org, and keep getting timeouts. > Has anyone else experienced this (we are only five hops away from > ftp-master, so I would hate to think it was a network issue. It seems Peter, Rudolf and I saw this timeout since around 5.1 release. After some debugging, I found some of 5.1 ISOs causes problem. If someone found inactivity timeout like this, please retry after removing all 5.1 ISOs on your local side. If this cannot solve your problem, please call me. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 07:14:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2FE37B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EEBF43F93 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:14:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5DEELbr016601 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5DEELUK016600 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:14:21 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030613141421.GD13868@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: RFC - extra sync functionality... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:14:23 -0000 I ran this by Jun and he said the idea seems like it might be a good one but it's not possible right now due to the way data gets loaded onto ftp-master. But if we're changing stuff around maybe this could change too. I thought I'd post it here first for comments before seeing if it's worth following up with that. If this doesn't seem like it would be worthwhile I'll just forget about it for now. In thinking about push mechanism type stuff I thought the whole mirror system has a lot in common with DNS and zone files. One master server where data gets loaded, and slave servers that need to be kept up to date. Sometimes you want the data to propagate instantly, other times you're not in a huge rush. And so on... Taking that view of things Jun and others have already started to carve the FTP site into the equivalent of zones. The trick though is coming up with the equivalent of what triggers a Zone Transfer, which is a different serial number in the SOA for DNS. Slave servers poll the master periodically to check the serial number and only do a zone transfer if the serial number went up. There is also the NOTIFY mechanism in DNS to have data propagate faster than would happen by the normal polling. I thought that maybe there could be a top-level directory in the FTP repository named "serial_numbers" and inside that would be an individual file for each of the modules making up the FTP site. I wouldn't want these files to be part of what gets *transferred* because I'd like it to be under the control of a client-side perl script which is why the separate directory and not having these serial number files part of the module itself (e.g. not putting the serial number file for the ports section in the ports directory). Mirror sites use a perl script to run for the nightly cron jobs (I'd be able to provide this I think...). It starts by transferring the contents of the serial_numbers directory but not writing them to its local directory yet - just storing them in memory. The serial numbers are the standard one recommended in the DNS docs, YYYYMMDDXX where XX is just two extra digits in case you decide to change the contents more than once in a day (e.g. today would be 2003061300). The perl script then only calls your transfer script (you get to choose what that uses - rsync, cvsup, whatever...) for the modules that have had serial number changes. *After* successful transfer the perl script writes the new serial number to your local directory. This would also help with a few scenarios I've run into elsewhere. Suppose you're a Tier-2 mirror and the Tier-1 you try to connect to is actually a DNS round-robin of a couple machines. What happens if those Tier-1's could potentially be updated at different times and you happen to connect to one that's a bit behind after you've connected to one that's exactly current? Here we can do the standard DNS thing - don't do the transfer and whine about the serial number having gone down. And you're only running the transfer scripts (sometimes large load on both you and the site you're pulling from) if it would be useful. We would probably recommend (or implement in this some sort of force mechanism...) running a real transfer pass once a week or so "just because" in case someone(s) don't quite play nice with the serial number generation and update content by mistake. I know there have been times I've forgotten to update the serial number in DNS SOA records when I should have... None of this would break the existing mechanisms if some sites chose to not use it - no big deal. There would just be one more small directory at the top of the site that gets transferred... It also would give us an easy way to check on whether sites are staying up to date if anyone ever decided that was a good idea. I don't know if advertised sites have ever just stopped updating but kept allowing anonymous FTP connects but I've seen other distributions start to pay at least a little attention to that (Apache pops to mind - someone checks on the Apache mirrors and nags periodically). The catch is, of course, the reliable generation of the serial number files. That's where existing practice on ftp-master makes this hard. Is this a good idea? Is it worth seeing if existing practice on ftp-master can be changed? If you reply to this please don't include the whole thing, just the relevant pieces - this list has already been more active than normal and I'm starting to worry some folks might be considering leaving. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 07:33:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D3437B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F09643FBF for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:33:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (zebixs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5DEX1B5043880; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:33:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h5DEX0cc043878; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:33:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200306131433.h5DEX0cc043878@lurza.secnetix.de> To: kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU (Ken Smith) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:33:00 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20030613141421.GD13868@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> from "Ken Smith" at Jun 13, 2003 10:14:21 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC - extra sync functionality... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:33:05 -0000 Hi, I like the comparison with DNS and zone transfers. And I also like your proposal. Just a few minor comments ... Ken Smith wrote: > I thought that maybe there could be a top-level directory in the > FTP repository named "serial_numbers" and inside that would be an > individual file for each of the modules making up the FTP site. I would give it a different name. "Serial numbers" sounds a bit like registration codes for commercial software. Those are also called "serials" (or rather "serialz", in warez-speak). Could be misleading. Maybe simply "mirror_info". > [...] The serial > numbers are the standard one recommended in the DNS docs, YYYYMMDDXX > where XX is just two extra digits in case you decide to change the > contents more than once in a day (e.g. today would be 2003061300). Personally I often just start a zone with serial 1 and increase by at 1 each change. Less error-prone, IMO. I don't think that the RFC recommends using YYYYMMDDXX, it merely suggests it. Anyway, I don't care much in what particular way the serial numbers are constructed for mirroring purposes, as long as it is clearly documented. > The perl script then only calls your transfer script (you get to > [...] > the perl script writes the new serial number to your local directory. Uhm, why perl? It rather sounds like a good job for a shell script. I do have machines which don't even have perl installed at all (those are not FreeBSD FTP mirrors, though). > We would probably recommend (or implement in this some sort of force > mechanism...) running a real transfer pass once a week or so "just > because" in case someone(s) don't quite play nice with the serial > number generation and update content by mistake. I know there have > been times I've forgotten to update the serial number in DNS SOA > records when I should have... There could be a cron job on the server, which goes through the tree, checks the mtimes of all files and complains loudly if there are any which are newer than their corresponding "serial numbers". It could even update the numbers automatically. > Is this a good idea? Yes, I think so. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place." -- Douglas Adams (1952-2001) From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 07:54:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1018D37B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu (pth3kpc.mcc.Virginia.EDU [128.143.108.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503FD43F75 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 07:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pth3k@pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu) Received: from pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5DEs9r3004800 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:54:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pth3k@pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by pth3kpc.mcc.virginia.edu (8.12.8p1/8.12.6/Submit) id h5DEs9h4004799 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:54:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Ty Hoeffer To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:54:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20030613141421.GD13868@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> In-Reply-To: <20030613141421.GD13868@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306131054.09129.pth3k@virginia.edu> Subject: Re: RFC - extra sync functionality... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:54:11 -0000 Ken, Love the idea as stated. 'Nuff said. > The catch is, of course, the reliable generation of the serial number > files. That's where existing practice on ftp-master makes this hard. > How about a "built in rule" like if no serial number file "DONT TRANSFER THE MODULE". That way if I'm updating say 5.2-RELEASE iso's or something, I just rm the serial number file for that module, update the stuff needing changes, then when done create the serialno file & the ites will get it on the next sync. > Is this a good idea? Is it worth seeing if existing practice on > ftp-master can be changed? If you reply to this please don't include > the whole thing, just the relevant pieces - this list has already been > more active than normal and I'm starting to worry some folks might be > considering leaving. I'm behind you 109% the other 1% I reserve because I'm busy... :) Ty Ftp14.freebsd.org admin. -- *************************************************************************** * Ty Hoeffer -- IS Net Engineer -- UVa. Health System/Computing Services * pth3k at Virginia.EDU -- http://warhammer.mcc.virginia.edu/ty * "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. * Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the decision." Ben Franklin *************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 11:41:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D7D37B404 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9246243F75 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DIf9qh000688; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5DIf1jd000687; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:41:01 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20030613184101.GA585@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030613141421.GD13868@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030613141421.GD13868@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC - extra sync functionality... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:41:17 -0000 On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 10:14:21AM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: > > We would probably recommend (or implement in this some sort of force > mechanism...) running a real transfer pass once a week or so "just > because" in case someone(s) don't quite play nice with the serial > number generation and update content by mistake. If the transfers are more costly than ftp-master doing some checkums, you can also check if zones are changed without having a new serial number by attaching a md5 checkum to the zone. The checksum can be create with something like: ZONEMD5=`tar cf - $ZONEDIR | md5` You can validate checksums with a cron job and we can even bump the serial automaticly if the checksums don't match (provided there was a serial). > Is this a good idea? Is it worth seeing if existing practice on ftp-master > can be changed? By all means. I think the biggest win is having some synchronisation between someone doing an upload and the "system" doing the mirroring. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 13:24:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE97D37B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A378943FE0 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5DKOAPx005663; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:24:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030613141421.GD13868@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030613141421.GD13868@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:24:09 -0400 To: Ken Smith , freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 Subject: Re: RFC - extra sync functionality... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:24:28 -0000 At 10:14 AM -0400 6/13/03, Ken Smith wrote: > >Taking that view of things Jun and others have already started >to carve the FTP site into the equivalent of zones. The trick >though is coming up with the equivalent of what triggers a Zone >Transfer, which is a different serial number in the SOA for DNS. Well, let me mention another partially-formed idea that I have been thinking about... Another issue is how to get a consistent collection of what you are downloading, once you do start the download. I have been hit by cases where I cvsup the source tree, and I get *part* of some commit. Ie, when I go to do the buildworld, I get errors because I managed to get *some* files from some commit, but not *all* of the files that were changed by that single commit. From this comes the common advice "Just CVSUP again and the problem should go away". Let's say my machine does decide to start downloading. At the very time I'm downloading from some server, that server might be downloading from *its* source. Neither download can be an atomic operation, so the end user can end up with an inconsistent collection of files. It occurred to me that we could solve this by using snapshots on the mirrors (by this I mean the UFS-snapshots which are related to softupdates, and available in freebsd-5.x). When I connect to a mirror, I would not be downloading from "the real disk", but the mirror would instead connect me to a snapshot of the real disk. The mirror would only create a new snapshot when it was finished updating from it's source, so when any given snapshot is made the repository should be in a completely consistent state. Assuming that all works, the question was what event would the super-master source site use for creating it's snapshot. I was thinking it could create a snapshot, and then start the buildworld-testing processes. If the buildworld succeeds, then it would make *that* snapshot the one used for any subsequent connections to the server. (I am still a bit undecided about how all that should work, however...) I did start playing with some experiments along this line last year, but was tripped up by some bugs that were still in the UFS-snapshot code at that time. The relevance of this to your comments is that you would end up with a single "serial number" for an entire snapshot, and that would be *in* the snapshot. So, you don't need serial numbers for every file, you can have a single number for the entire repository. (or maybe break the single repository into subsets, and then have a serial number per subset). I realize this is another idea which would need a bit more fleshing-out before it would be practical to use, but I also think that it's a promising idea. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 18:02:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B2D37B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663FF43FBD for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from strings.polstra.com (strings.polstra.com [206.213.73.20]) by wall.polstra.com (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h5E12aPM024585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@strings.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by strings.polstra.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h5E12ZgG010887; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200306140102.h5E12ZgG010887@strings.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra In-Reply-To: References: <20030612180244.GG21995@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.11.2 Subject: Re: The recent thread... handling new releases X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:02:39 -0000 In article , Garance A Drosihn wrote: > I have wondered if cvsup could be smart enough to download files > under one name, and then afterwards (on a later run) know to just > rename that file to the official name for a public release. > Eg, some way to say > > if file .IMAGE001 exists > and if the bytesize is 123456789 > and if the MD5 of it is f4f4acfc8322c267618f93c52d465e4c > then rename .IMAGE001 > to 5.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso > endif > > > Proceed with standard cvsup processing. Hmm, I'm having trouble getting excited about putting that functionality into CVSup. It just seems too application-specific. What CVSup does is supposed to be conceptually simple: mirror files from one place to another. > This would at least reduce the exposure from people who say > "A FILE EXISTS, THE RELEASE *MUST* HAVE HAPPENED!!!!", usually > at the first millisecond that any official-looking filename > appears on any ftp server. I think you guys are making the problem more complicated than it needs to be. Can't you do something like this? - Put the new release into a directory named (for example) ".5.1-RELEASE-STAGING-AREA". - Let all the bits trickle out to the mirrors. - Any user dumb enough to download stuff from ".5.1-RELEASE-STAGING-AREA" will get what he deserves and deserve what he gets. - After the mirrors have had time to get all the bits, add a symlink "5.1-RELEASE -> .5.1-RELEASE-STAGING-AREA". - Presto, the release has appeared atomically. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Two buttocks cannot avoid friction." -- Malawi saying From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 13 18:43:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D281E37B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F390143F3F for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:43:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5E1hwbr029555 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5E1hwxs029554 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:43:58 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030614014358.GA29321@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: DRAFT - Release Guide X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 01:44:00 -0000 Here is a draft of a Release Guide which would take most of the hassles out of Release Day I *think*. I want to say up front that if you read this it sounds like it's a list of demands being made by the Mirror Folks to the Release folks but that is NOT its intention. I wrote it in the context of it being exactly what I called it - a Release Guide to be read/followed while doing a new release. But the assumption is this will initially be presented to all parties for *discussion*, and the end result is concensus amongst everyone involved. I also want to say we all know there is way more stuff involved in a Release than just this stuff. I hope this is at least in general terms what people were expecting. If you have minor edits (my spelin wuz rong ur me grammer wuznt quit rite) could you just send it straight to me please? If you have any thoughts that you think should be discussed, or if there are major omissions, or if you think this whole thing is just one big mistake feel free to send to the list but again please don't just include this entire message in the reply - edit out anything that is irrelevant please. I'll wear asbestos undies for the next couple of days, flame away. If in the end we hash this thing out and decide that it's worth doing something with I'll take it to re@ and portmgr@ since it effects how both of them operate, stressing at first that it's for *discussion*. ---------------------------------------- Release Guide Rev. 0.0 ====================== Introduction ------------ In the early years FreeBSD Distributions were, compared to now, relatively simple to handle. The data got copied to ftp.freebsd.org and everyone got it from there. Due to the poplarity of FreeBSD that simple a distribution channel is no longer practical. The mirror system that now supports the distribution of FreeBSD has become a multi-tiered worldwide set of machines, and even in this state some of the more central distribution machines are under fairly heavy stress during Release Time. Because the Mirror System has needed to grow this large and because of certain aspects of the data in the FTP site there are limitations on what can be expected of the Mirror System. In particular there is now a significant amount of time between when data gets placed on the main distribution server (ftp-master.freebsd.org) and when it can be expected to be available from the majority of the mirror servers. Since it is highly desirable for the release files to be on the majority of the mirror servers at the point the Release is announced this effects the schedule for when the data should be placed on ftp-master. Terminology ----------- ftp-master: the master distribution server, data is initially loaded here Tier-1 server: official FreeBSD mirror site that pulls data from ftp-master Tier-2 server: official FreeBSD mirror site that pulls data from a Tier-1 server. Not all Tier-1 servers feed Tier-2 servers (we would like to set up more that do). sync: what happens when a mirror server pulls new data from its up-stream site. Different mechanisms can be used to do this (cvsup, rsync, mirror, omi, etc). Only newly updated files will be transferred through the network BUT typically a large number of files need to be checked to see if they should be transferred. Depending on how much of the FreeBSD FTP site is being checked (only checking sub-sections is possible) this could cause a significant load on both the client and server involved. staging the release: placing new files onto ftp-master but the permissions on the files are set such that anonymous users can not download the files. This would be done so that there is time for the files to be transferred to other mirror sites before a Release Date but users can't get the files until the permissions get changed. Under normal circumstances files are simply "posted" to ftp-master and downloadable by anyone once they get to the Mirror Servers. Mirror System Operations ------------------------ Most though not all of the mirror sites operate the same way. Some time in the wee hours of the morning a cron job starts up what syncs the FTP site. FreeBSD may be the only thing this mirror site carries, or it may carry other distributions (OpenBSD, Linux's, etc). The sync may be set up to check through the entire FreeBSD site but it may just check through some of it, doing other parts some other time (in particular the ports section is getting a bit large and may be handled as a separate thing - perhaps only a few days a week). Because of this it is up to a day before a Tier-1 system will begin transferring new data from ftp-master. If there is a lot of new data, and in particular a new set of packages, the sync may take as long as six to eight hours between systems that are relatively unloaded and have a decent network connection between them. So taking worst case scenarios into account it can be three days before large amounts of data can propagate from ftp-master to a Tier-2 site. This situation gets worse if there is something causing a larger than normal network load at the time. Handling Betas/Release Candidates --------------------------------- Users' expectations and general anxieties are smaller for the Betas and Release Candidates so timing of these is a little less critical. They seem to "naturally" appear a week or more between Beta's and RC's which is reasonable as far as propagation goes. The important thing for the Release Engineering Team to keep in mind is the propagation delay of two to three days for large amounts of data to make it through to the majority of Tier-2 sites. What is critical for the Mirror Sites is that there be a day or two worth of advanced notice (weekdays) that the Beta is coming AND a reasonable estimate of how much disk space will be needed. The Mirror sites that carry many distributions tend to keep the partition(s) dedicated to mirrored data fairly close to being full (maximizing how much potentially useful stuff is available to their users). If large amounts of new stuff is about to arrive some of the older stuff needs to be removed. Other sites can't afford the disk space to keep the entire FreeBSD FTP site and may need to adjust the sync scripts so they will not pull the Betas. The size estimates should be given for both the -RELEASE tree and the new package trees. It is most economical to the Mirror Sites if Beta-1 can be removed at the point Beta-2 is uploaded to ftp-master, and likewise for the RC(s). If that is possible size estimates for the follow-up Betas and RC's is not as critical because the change in disk space usage is close enough to zero - the size estimates are mostly needed to make sure the mirror sites' disk partitions don't get full. Similarly at the point the Release is being staged if possible remove the RC. If the Release has been finalized and is ready to be staged in the long run it is a dis-service for users to continue having access to the non-Release files (odds seem small someone would download an RC at this point and find/report a bug that would stop the release). If Beta-1 needs to co-exist with Beta-2 and so on then size estimates will again be needed a day or two before Beta-2 gets posted on ftp-master. Staging the Release ------------------- It would be best if the Packages could be loaded first, on the order of a week before the target Release Date. Sync-ing the ports directory is the worst part of the FTP site to deal with. It can at times wind up involving several sync attempts to get it all. The permissions on the files should not need any special attention - there seems to be no point to stopping users from being able to download them. Until Release Day they are basically useless so nobody is likely to try and get them. It is actually best if the -RELEASE stuff NOT appear until later because some end-users of Mirror sites will start to pester Mirror Operators as soon as something like an official Release directory structure shows up. The -RELEASE stuff should be posted to ftp-master three days before Release Day, with the permissions set so that access by "other" is turned off. Mirror sites are encouraged to run the sync as a different user than "ftp" so this will load the files onto the Mirror sites but they will not be downloadable until permissions are changed. Based on past history not all the packages for the different architectures are available at the same time, not to mention the -RELEASE trees. It is important that at least the i386 packages be available very early because of the relative popularity of that architecture. If packages for a given architecture are not ready by three days before Release Day it may be best to not post it to ftp-master until after Release Day. That way it will not compete for bandwidth with the -RELEASE trees being staged and it is probably most important to get as much of all the -RELEASE trees out as possible. Release Day ----------- Mail should be sent to hubs@freebsd.org a few days before Release Day giving the date and time that the Release Announcement will be sent out. At this time there is no "push" mechanism in the Mirror System so the opening up of the permissions needs to be either manual or it will happen at the time of the next automated sync. The tree on ftp-master should have its permissions changed and hopefully the Tier-1 sites will take care of the permissions at or close to the announcement time so down-stream Tier-2 sites can pick up the permission change fast. Consequences ------------ What happens if the guidelines are not followed? If the suggestion about not announcing disk space requirements when there is a large change some sites' disk partitions will fill, at which point the FreeBSD sync fails and any others that were supposed to happen afterwards also fail. This delays the propagation of the data. If the packages are not available on the mirror sites because of delays in getting them posted FTP-based installs users attempt before the packages become fully available may not complete correctly. Any data that gets posted to ftp-master after the Release Date will take a dramatically longer time to propagate to the Tier-2 servers. During Release times ftp-master becomes much more heavily loaded (slower). In addition to that the users are clogging the network pipes of the downstream sites so the syncs from these sites need to compete with all that network traffic. ---------------------------------------- -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel |