From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 9 0:10: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD6F37B401; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.91.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBD443F93; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AAC83AE4D1; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-02-16 - 2003-03-08 Message-Id: <20030309081001.AAC83AE4D1@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 7-Mar : scp tricks scp is great for copying stuff around http://freebsddiary.org/scp.php?2 6-Mar : Already scanned directory - mkisofs problems mkisofs wasn\\\'t taking everything given to it http://freebsddiary.org/already-scanned-directory.php?2 1-Mar : PostgreSQL - analyzing a query to improve speed Sometimes things aren\\\'t as fast as you want, initially. http://freebsddiary.org/postgresql-analyze.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 9 5:28:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052DA37B401; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 05:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp10.wxs.nl (smtp10.wxs.nl [195.121.6.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1FE43F93; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 05:28:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akruijff@dds.nl) Received: from 192.168.31.50 (ipd50a97ba.speed.planet.nl [213.10.151.186]) by smtp10.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBH004YBHELY4@smtp10.wxs.nl>; Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:27:58 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:24:23 +0100 From: Alex de Kruijff Subject: Re: A huge THANK YOU!!!!! In-reply-to: <200303081427.19846.kstewart@owt.com> To: Kent Stewart , Bill Moran Cc: scott mcclellan , 'Nigel Soon' , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <200303091424.23292.akruijff@dds.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <000001c2e4f5$11adf9d0$4b944094@mooeymachine> <3E6A05B4.5000104@potentialtech.com> <200303081427.19846.kstewart@owt.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday 08 March 2003 23:27, Kent Stewart wrote: > On Saturday 08 March 2003 07:01 am, Bill Moran wrote: > > akruijff@dds.nl wrote: > > > Citeren Bill Moran : > > >>scott mcclellan wrote: > > >>>Was there anything about ISO imaging anywhere that I just missed > > >>> or slipped over without actually reading? I didn't notice > > >>> anything on the FreeBSD site or handbook. > > >> > > >>Unfortunately, I think this is one of those things that it's just > > >>_assumed_ that everybody knows. I've never seen a good > > >> explanation, anywhere of what an iso is and how it should be > > >> handled. > > > > > > If you mean making your own iso image then have a look at "Making > > > Customized Bootable FreeBSD CD/Floppies". As to buring it. I use > > > the same approce as the author of this. I use a Windows computer. > > > > > > :o > > > > That's my point. If you want to know how to create your own CDs > > and build bootable CDs and things like that, there are articles > > everywhere. However, if you're _very_ new and just want to burn an > > iso that you've downloaded, there's no basic introduction to what > > you're doing and how to go about it. > > I'm not sure what is missing here. All of the cdburners that I am > aware of have the ability to burn iso's. I went through one time and > listed where the capability was found on the Windows based ones that > I had used. I have standardized on Nero 5.5 and finding how to burn > an iso image with Nero is one of the more dificult. You almost have > to read the FAQ on their web page. On the rest of the Windows > burners, you can almost double click the *.iso file and it will bring > your CD-ROM burner program up in the burn-image mode. > > The man page for burncd in the examples at the bottom tells you that > the file written to a data CD is an iso image. It even points you to > mkisofs, which is used to make the iso image. > I just saw that the freebsd handbook (www.freebsd.org/handbook) has some notes on this under the title: Creating and Using Optical Media (CDs & DVDs) -- Best regards/Met vriendelijke groet, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 9 10: 9:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF1D37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail59.fg.online.no (mail59-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AC743F3F for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manavado@frisurf.no) Received: from tocom (ti100710a142-0274.dialup.online.no [130.67.47.150]) by mail59.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22377; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:09:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005d01c2e6b5$f68e86c0$962f4382@tocom> From: "Lal Manavado" To: "Kevin Golding" Cc: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226165246.00a8c770@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226165246.00a8c770@pop.omah.uswest.net><20030227005226.GC88122@wantadilla.lemis.com><5.1.0.14.2.20030227063629.00b24270@pop.omah.uswest.net> Subject: Re: Top posting Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:34:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm. Why not edit out the verbiage in the original, and put a brief and cogent response right at the end? Arn't we getting a trifle too wordy on this subject? Greeting! L. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Golding To: WolfRyder Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Re: Top posting > Someone, quite probably WolfRyder, once wrote: > >> >> If I'm interested enough to be following a thread, I'll have read > >> >> the whole original post to begin with. > >> > >> >And remember every detail? Sorry, I'm not that good. And I can't > >> >trust the person at the other end to know what I'm thinking. > >> > >For reference I keep the original post. What's one email as opposed to a > >bazillion? > > Unfortunately when dealing with high volumes that's not always > practical. I still have a lot of mail kept around for reference and > sometimes sorting through it can be a huge pain. Also given that this > is a mailing list there can be problems with propagation, see my quote > below. > > >Just stating my opinion. I've seen some web versions > >of 'netiquette' and perhaps an authoritative one can be written. But just > >like anything else in writing, people will find things that "agree with > >their point of view". > > Back in October 1995 RFC1855, AKA FYI28, appeared. RFCs are pretty > authoritative and about the closest thing the Internet has to > regulations. > > In terms of top/bottom posting I couldn't find an explicit comment, but > with a quick scan but I did find this one: > > - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you > summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just > enough text of the original to give a context. This will make > sure readers understand when they start to read your response. > Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the > postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a > response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context > helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! > > Given that traditionally people interwove their replies it's pretty easy > to see the point though. It also mentions the propagation issue I > mentioned above. Maybe it's just that my interpretation fits in with my > view of the world. If you want to read the full document then a copy > can be found at > > It's true that most managers etc. don't read RFCs and they've started > doing things their way, but even if you top post everywhere else it's > probably fair to say that a group full of people who've been online > longer than most people have been using computers will be a little more > traditional. You don't have to post like everyone else but you'll fit > in a lot more if you do. > > Kevin > -- > kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 9 15:31:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C07837B405 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-0cevbf0.cable.mindspring.com (user-0cevbf0.cable.mindspring.com [24.239.173.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E54B743FAF for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:31:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from huccxgg@yandex.ru) From: Роман To: Freebsd-newbies Subject: Поздравляю с 8 марта- Счастья Любви Благополучия MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030309233128.E54B743FAF@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:31:28 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org American Language Center
GEE!! ELECTRIFY YOUR LIFE УКРАСЬТЕ ЖИЗНЬ. НАУЧИТЕCЬ ПОНИМАТЬ ПЕСНИ И ФИЛЬМЫ!
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PURPOSE: МЫ НАУЧИМ ВСЕХ В МОСКВЕ АНГЛИЙСКОМУ. АНГЛИЙСКИЙ ДЛЯ ВСЕХ. START DREAMING. STOP JUST MAKING A LIVING. EXPAND YOUR HORIZONS. CREATE A NEW FUTURE.
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(Moscow Russia)

Said I loved you but I lied. Cause this is more then love I feel inside.
COMPLIMENT HER
Said I loved you but I was wrong Cause love could never ever feel so strong.
CUDDLE HER
Need you forever, I need you to stay. You are the one. You are the one...
Michael Bolton
Unbreak my heart. Say you'll love me again Undo this hurt you caused.
KISS HER STROKE HER TEASE HER
When you walked out the door And walked outta my life.
COMFORT HER PROTECT HER CARESS HER LOVE HER
Uncry these tears I cried so many nights Unbreak my heart, my heart...
HOLD HER
Toni Braxton
Your warmth makes me cosy during biting chill of the winter.
ENCHANTING FASCINATION
Your joy doubles mine in the blight and fresh spring.
MIND - BOGGLING TEMPTATION
Your love shelters me in the scorching heat of the summer.
MYSTERIOUS ENTICEMENT
Your cheer sweeps away the pain in the unfavourable autumn.
CAPTIVATING CHARM
To really love a woman. To understand her - you need to know her deep inside.
SPEND MONEY ON HER
Hear every thought-see every dream And give her wings when she wants to fly...
Bryan Adams
What do I do to make you want me What have I got to do to be heard.
WINE & DINE HER
What do I say when it's all over And sorry seems to be the hardest word...
LISTEN TO HER
Joe Cocker
I watched the sound of the shore - I'd give you the world if it was mine.
Feels like you're mine feels right so fine I'm yours your mine like paradise...
DANCE WITH HER
oooh what a life...       oooh what a life...       like paradise...
STAND BY HER
Sade
Английский разговорный с преподавателями из США
Could I hold you for a lifetime
Could I could I have this kiss forever
forever Enrique Iglesias / Whitney Houston
Could I look into your eyes

МЫШЛЕНИЕ, ПРОИЗНОШЕНИЕ, СТИЛЬ РЕЧИ
Could I have this night to share this night together

ВСЕ СТАДИИ ОБУЧЕНИЯ : ОТ НУЛЯ ДО ВЫСШЕГО!
Could I hold you close beside me..

ЛЕГКО, ВЕСЕЛО, ГИБКИЙ ГРАФИК, КОМФОРТНЫЕ ЗАНЯТИЯ, НОВЫЕ ЗНАКОМСТВА
Could I hold you for all times

АССОЦИАТИВНО-ОБРАЗНАЯ ЭКСКЛЮЗИВНАЯ МЕТОДИКА.
Could I could I have this kiss forever?...

"To be irreplaceable one must always be different." --
                                                  Gabrielle "Coco" Chanel

ВАШ ВОЗРАСТ ТОЛЬКО ПОМОЖЕТ ВАМ.

BREATHTAKING CAPTIVATION
EXHILARATING ENTRAPMENT
AWESOME ADORATION
PERFECT YOUR GRAMMAR, PREPOSITIONS , GENERAL AND BUSINESS VOCABULARY, CONVERSATION.

УСОВЕРШЕНСТВУЙТЕ ВАШУ ГРАММАТИКУ, ПРЕДЛОГИ, ОБШЕУПОТРЕБИМУЮ И ДЕЛОВУЮ ЛЕКСИКУ, CТИЛЬ РЕЧИ.
The boss really threw a bash last night! "How does that sound?"

НАИБОЛЕЕ ПОЛНАЯ И ПРОСТАЯ МЕТОДИКА АНГЛИЙСКОГО РАЗГОВОРНОГО ЯЗЫКА.
Learn how to speak & understand slang. Give me a break! I can't stand her. Let's wrap it up.

НАУЧИТЕСЬ, КАК ГОВОРИТЬ И ПОНИМАТЬ СЛЕНГ.
I'll get totally plastered. Beats me!

American business slang & jargonBe nice to him. He's backing the show! I live in the Big Apple.
at school/ at the party/ at the movies/ at the mall/ the new carOn second thought, I'll go to France.
at the gym/the house guest/ at work/at the market/ at the restaurantJennifer is a hot-looking chick.
at the nightclub/at the record store/ sport terms used in businessDan doesn't have the guts to do it.
slang used in TV comedies/ TV dramas / TV news /TV sports newsShe's stacked. What a knock out.
general office / computer/ meeting/ negotiation slangsI'm breaking out in a cold sweat!
business travel/ marketing/ advertising/office party jargonsHer company is going to go belly up!
finance slang& jargon/ sport terms used in business.I didn't know her old dude was loaded.
Best of the idioms.I am a history. Tomorrow I am getting hitched. I am getting cold feet.
In a word, all сonversational english is at your fingertips.I always play second banana to her.

ОДНИМ СЛОВОМ, ВЕСЬ РАЗГОВОРНЫЙ АНГЛИЙСКИЙ В ВАШЕМ РАСПОРЯЖЕНИИИ.
050184226753540151740885110776 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 9 23: 6:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA2237B405 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from web40803.mail.yahoo.com (web40803.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9072A43FE9 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rimi4eva@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030310070629.40946.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.146.9.213] by web40803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Mar 2003 23:06:29 PST Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:06:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ango A Reply-To: ango_a@yahoo.com Subject: Mutual Investment proposal To: rimi4eva@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR SIR, I HAVE THE HONOUR AND CONFIDENCE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU THIS BUSSINESS IN VIEW OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TRUSTWORTHY AND RELIABLE. 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YOUR ASSISTANCE AS A FOREIGNER IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THIS MANAGEMENT IS READY TO WELCOME ANY PERSON, A FOREIGNER WHO HAS CORRECT INFORMATION TO THIS ACCOUNT, WHICH I WILL GIVE TO YOU IMMEDIATELY, IF YOU INTRESTED TO CONCLUDE THIS TRANSACTION WITH ME. I WILL APPLY FOR AN ANNUAL LEAVE IMMEDIATELY I HEAR FROM YOU THAT YOU ARE READY TO ACT AND RECEIVE THIS FUND INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. THIS IS TO ENABLE ME USE MY POSITION AND INFLUENCE TO EFFECT THE ONWARD TRANSMISSION OF THIS MONEY TO YOUR DESIRED ACCOUNT. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS BUSINESS, YOU WILL BE GIVEN 20% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, 75% WILL BE FOR US, WHILE 5% BE SET ASIDE FOR CHARITY ORGANISATION AND EXPENSE WE MIGHT INCURE DURING THE TRANSACTION. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR EARNEST REPLY. YOURS TRULY, Mr. Ango A __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 10 0:21: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CA237B40A for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:21:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.echosoft.ca (phoenix.gtw-223.echosoft.ca [142.179.115.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536F243FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from negative@magnesium.net) Received: from orangutan.corebsd.or.id (localhost.echosoft.ca [127.0.0.1]) by phoenix.echosoft.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4002470; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:27:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:10:44 +0700 From: Jim Geovedi To: "Lal Manavado" Cc: kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Top posting Message-Id: <20030310151044.24423875.negative@magnesium.net> In-Reply-To: <005d01c2e6b5$f68e86c0$962f4382@tocom> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030226165246.00a8c770@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030226165246.00a8c770@pop.omah.uswest.net> <20030227005226.GC88122@wantadilla.lemis.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20030227063629.00b24270@pop.omah.uswest.net> <005d01c2e6b5$f68e86c0$962f4382@tocom> Organization: Will Work For Bandwidth Inc. X-Mailer: GUI Mailer for Primates or something. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:34:16 -0800 Lal Manavado wrote: > Hmm. Why not edit out the verbiage in the original, and put a brief and > cogent response right at the end? > > Arn't we getting a trifle too wordy on this subject? Oh please, make an effort to trim replies before posting! Most people here, including me, pay by the byte for network connectivity are forced to pay for your 8 useless lines, and more that 30 lines of the original posters mail, which we have already gotten. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 11 3: 9:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C917A37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 03:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E41843FD7 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 03:09:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by cordis.lu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h2BCFrqO004881 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:15:53 +0100 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:07:30 +0100 Received: from [212.190.217.220] (212.190.217.220 [212.190.217.220]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id DSZF6RMB; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:07:20 +0100 From: CARTER Anthony Reply-To: CARTER Anthony To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Intrasoft Message-Id: <1047381252.622.15.camel@intra241.intrasoft.lu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 11 Mar 2003 12:14:13 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HELP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 11 9:28:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E4737B404 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.nckcn.com (ns2.nckcn.com [206.253.56.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19EA43FAF for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davidc@huyett.com) Received: from 192.168.0.100 (ip-209-42-82-208.nckcn.com [209.42.82.208]) by ns2.nckcn.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h2BHJt209431 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:19:55 -0600 Received: from M12 ([192.168.0.80]) by 192.168.0.100 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:29:03 -0600 Reply-To: From: "David Chavarria" To: "FreeBSD List" Subject: Handbook ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:29:18 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2003 17:29:03.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5F55AA0:01C2E7F3] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been reading the handbook, and installed FreeBSD 4.7 successfully. Now I'm trying to understand the file system structure. On page 101 for example, it shows the directory and description. In the descriptions there are numbers enclosed in parentheses. What do these mean? I can't find an explanation anywhere... example (pg 101) Directory Description /dev/ Device nodes; see intro (4) Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 11 9:45:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DAD37B404 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from vms1.rit.edu (vms1.isc.rit.edu [129.21.3.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D2543F93 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bjm1287@ritvax.isc.rit.edu) Received: from garfield ([129.21.129.47]) by ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #30660) with ESMTPA id <01KTED3NGOEOV1I3SM@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:44:50 EST Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:46:49 -0500 From: Brian McCann Subject: RE: Handbook ? In-reply-to: To: davidc@huyett.com, 'FreeBSD List' Message-id: <000d01c2e7f6$320d51e0$2f811581@garfield> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm guessing your not referring to the handbook online at www.freebsd.org? Typically, the numbers in (), like ls(1) and wait(2), are numbers that refer to man page categories. There is a place on the internet you can see what all the categories are...I was looking at it the other day but cannot remember where it was. If you search for "write man page" or something along those lines, I'm sure you will find it. --Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of David Chavarria Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:29 PM To: FreeBSD List Subject: Handbook ? I've been reading the handbook, and installed FreeBSD 4.7 successfully. Now I'm trying to understand the file system structure. On page 101 for example, it shows the directory and description. In the descriptions there are numbers enclosed in parentheses. What do these mean? I can't find an explanation anywhere... example (pg 101) Directory Description /dev/ Device nodes; see intro (4) Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 11 10:28:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3170037B404 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0891843FBD for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:28:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBL00BGKKO1TY@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:20:13 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSWZZXD; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:21:43 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:28:30 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: Handbook ? In-reply-to: To: davidc@huyett.com, FreeBSD List Message-id: <200303111028.30678.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 11 March 2003 09:29 am, David Chavarria wrote: > On page 101 for example, it shows the directory and description. In > the descriptions there are numbers enclosed in parentheses. > What do these mean? I can't find an explanation anywhere... The numbers after a command (or sometimes filename or concept) refer to man pages. The online "manual" is divided into sections according to the category of the command. Use the "man" command to access them. "xman" is an alternative for the X Window System that allows you some limited browse capabilities. Man pages are not written in a tutorial or "newbie" fashion, but make excellent references. The man sections are: (1) User commands (2) System calls (3) Subroutines (4) Devices (5) File formats (6) Games (7) Miscellaneous (8) System administration (9) Kernel interfaces (n) New Most commands are listed in only one section. But some are in multiple sections. If a command is in multiple sections, only the first section's entry is shown by default. If you want to access an entry in another section, you can specify the section. For example: man man Will bring up the man page for "man" in section one. By the way, "man man" is a great place to get started. man 1 man Will bring up the very same man page. man 7 man Will bring up the man page for man in section 7. In this case, it deals with man related macros used for the groff formatter. Unless you're writing man pages, it won't be of much use to you. Final word: The man pages for FreeBSD are remarkably complete. They are your friend. Use them. Use "xman" to browse around the man pages. You never know what you might discover. Check out tuning(7) for an example. David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 11 10:37:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF62937B404 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [204.213.64.2] (firewall.tiadon.com [204.213.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F14A43F75 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:37:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from rmc.tiadon.com by [204.213.64.2] via smtpd (for mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:37:32 -0600 Received: from applications.tiadon.com (mail.tiadon.com [172.16.18.172]) by bcec01.tiadon.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id DKVJNF5T; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:37:23 -0600 Received: from firewall.tiadon.com ([204.213.65.161]) by applications.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:36:13 -0600 Received: from [204.213.65.161] by firewall.tiadon.com via smtpd (for mail.tiadon.com [172.16.18.172]) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:36:09 -0600 Message-ID: <092801c2e7fc$353f2220$0100a8c0@DaleCoportable> Reply-To: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." From: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "CARTER Anthony" , References: <1047381252.622.15.camel@intra241.intrasoft.lu> Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:26:01 -0600 Organization: DaleCo, S.P.---"the solutions people" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "CARTER Anthony" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:14 AM > HELP > \\ \\ \\_ _ / _ \ / / \ \ | | | | \ \ _ / / \ _ _ / Grab hold! What's wrong? Kevin Kinsey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 11 11:55:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5472537B401 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F91143FE5 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:55:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HBL00KFCOO347@net.WAU.NL> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:55:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:55:09 +0100 (CET) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" Subject: Re: Re: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net Message-id: <0HBL00KFDOO447@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org LOL curious about the answer ;) On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:26:01 -0600 > To: "CARTER Anthony" , > > From: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." > Reply-To: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." > Subject: Re: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CARTER Anthony" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:14 AM > > > > HELP > > > > > \\ > \\ > \\_ _ > / _ \ > / / \ \ > | | | | > \ \ _ / / > \ _ _ / > > > Grab hold! What's wrong? > > Kevin Kinsey > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- tcGB <>< Fi-Ji ><> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 11 12:19:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493CC37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.nckcn.com (ns2.nckcn.com [206.253.56.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A78943FDF for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:19:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davidc@huyett.com) Received: from 192.168.0.100 (ip-209-42-82-208.nckcn.com [209.42.82.208]) by ns2.nckcn.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h2BKAm218950 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:10:48 -0600 Received: from M12 ([192.168.0.80]) by 192.168.0.100 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:19:57 -0600 Reply-To: From: "David Chavarria" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: RE: Handbook ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:20:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Mar 2003 20:19:57.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[957E1E70:01C2E80B] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for all the input it was very helpful! Time to start readin' (yeeaee). David -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David Chavarria Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 11:29 AM To: FreeBSD List Subject: Handbook ? I've been reading the handbook, and installed FreeBSD 4.7 successfully. Now I'm trying to understand the file system structure. On page 101 for example, it shows the directory and description. In the descriptions there are numbers enclosed in parentheses. What do these mean? I can't find an explanation anywhere... example (pg 101) Directory Description /dev/ Device nodes; see intro (4) Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 11 17:37: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D793B37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03BCF43FE3 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:37:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from decypher13@sbcglobal.net) Received: from adsl-64-109-56-124.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net (HELO sbcglobal.net) (decypher13@sbcglobal.net@64.109.56.124 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2003 01:37:04 -0000 Message-ID: <3E6E8F3D.3040800@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:37:01 -0500 From: Justin Nichols User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: decypher13@sbcglobal.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i was hoping to signup for this mailing list @ decypher13@sbcglobal.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 12 14: 7:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8E737B401 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from 2416418hfc192.tampabay.rr.com (2416418hfc192.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.18.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 946A243FD7 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:07:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vasin.otdel.stroy2003@online.nsk.su) From: Начальник договорного отдела Васин Андрей Владимирович To: Freebsd-newbies Subject: Предложение по строительству mba MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030312220718.946A243FD7@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:07:18 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Строительная компания "Спигат"
 
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:35:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 02:35:39.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C5228B0:01C2E909] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Compliment of the season, and I pray that this mail meet you in good Health. I am writing to get assistance from you. There is an over invoice of Sum of USD$14.7 Million US Dollars floating in our bank, where I am the Director Foreign Operations. REASONS; Some contractor's from Europe, Asia and American were paid for their contract’s, which was APPROVED and paid by our bank WEMA BANK PLC, Being their full contract SUM, and was paid completely. 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It is 100%risk free, as men involved Dose not want to be disgraced out of office please. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 12 19:41:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4BE37B404 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from kda.attmil.ne.jp (kda.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.4.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBDA43F93 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:41:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from okitek@kda.attmil.ne.jp) Received: from Soup ([165.76.184.230]) by kda.attmil.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.6W-CONS(09/30/02)) id MAA08813; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:41:21 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <010e01c2e912$69eb32e0$1c00000a@Soup> From: "Jason" To: References: <3E627E34.9030302@ivestnw.net> <00e801c2e10d$ff6af7e0$0100a8c0@DaleCoportable> <001b01c2e111$1f783360$6401a8c0@eaves> <20030302192605.Y1326@znfgre.tberna.bet> Subject: Re: SPAM! Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:41:20 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FN, Every spam I get I report them here http://spamcop.net/anonsignup.shtml it is a free service that emails the admins, of the servers the spam originates from. Just type in your email address, in Verify email address to get started. Hopefully the spammer is not also the admin. Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Barton" To: "Tyler Eaves" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: SPAM! > On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Tyler Eaves wrote: > > > Most of what I'm getting is of russian origin. > > Wouldn't a simple solution be to limit posting rights to subscribers? > > This, and all sorts of other clever solutions are frequently suggested, > but turn out not to be a good fit for the freebsd lists. The situation is > currently about as good as it gets, so if the spam level is unacceptable > to you, learn to filter. :) > > Doug > > -- > > This .signature sanitized for your protection > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 13 3:16: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678C137B401 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EB843FB1 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:16:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by cordis.lu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h2DCMaqO002776 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:22:36 +0100 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:14:12 +0100 Received: from [212.190.217.220] (212.190.217.220 [212.190.217.220]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id DSZF65LL; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:14:06 +0100 From: CARTER Anthony Reply-To: CARTER Anthony To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: List packages with no dependencies In-Reply-To: <20030313111027.GA13250@splashground.de> References: <20030312164305.G52780@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de> <20030312154721.GA424@freebsd.org.ru> <20030312165908.O52780@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de> <20030312171808.GA28320@unixdaemons.com> <20030313111027.GA13250@splashground.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Intrasoft Message-Id: <1047554466.11251.4.camel@intra241.intrasoft.lu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 13 Mar 2003 12:21:07 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to find out all the packages installed that have no dependencies, is this possible? Also, I would like to build a visual output of what packages depend on what. Is this possible at all? Reasons why is that I have installed applications using standard make clean, make install clean, but removed with pkg_delete. This doesn_t get rid of the dependent packages that were installed. Not all apps have a make deinstall (does this remove dependencies installed?), so I need to clean up without sifting through the pkg_info output (many lib files I have no idea what they do). If none of this is possible, I think I may try and write something that will do this... Thanks for your help, Anthony Carter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 13 4: 8:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E085F37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 066EA43FAF for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:08:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wolfryder@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 20269 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2003 12:08:16 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.3) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 13 Mar 2003 12:08:16 -0000 Received: from adsl189.omah.uswest.net (HELO wolf.qwest.net) (209.180.104.189) by mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 12:08:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:13:17 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030313061232.00ab4740@pop.omah.uswest.net> From: "WolfRyder" To: "Justin Nichols" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Sender: wolfryder@pop.omah.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Subject: Re: decypher13@sbcglobal.net In-Reply-To: <3E6E8F3D.3040800@sbcglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Then you may have to unsubscribe and subscribe again at the email address you want. Just a thought At 08:37 PM 3/11/03 -0500, Justin Nichols wrote: >i was hoping to signup for this mailing list @ decypher13@sbcglobal.net > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 13 5:50:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9871837B404 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2528943FA3 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by cordis.lu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h2DEvFqO005588 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:57:15 +0100 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:48:51 +0100 Received: from [212.190.217.220] (212.190.217.220 [212.190.217.220]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id DSZF657D; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:48:46 +0100 From: CARTER Anthony Reply-To: CARTER Anthony To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: CURRENT Vs RELEASE Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Intrasoft Message-Id: <1047563747.4804.12.camel@intra241.intrasoft.lu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 13 Mar 2003 14:55:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have notices that there is 5.0 Current and 5.0 Release. How do I know which I have got. Is it like this: The ISO I downloeded = Release whereas the CVSUPing that I am doing is CURRENT, therefore I am CURRENT? Is this right or a mile of to the west somewhere? Thanks, Anthony Carter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 13 5:56:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B9437B404 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17DD43FDF for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:56:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by cordis.lu (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h2DF3NqO005726; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:03:23 +0100 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:54:59 +0100 Received: from [212.190.217.220] (212.190.217.220 [212.190.217.220]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id DSZF658A; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:54:57 +0100 From: CARTER Anthony Reply-To: CARTER Anthony To: Arun G Nair Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List packages with no dependencies In-Reply-To: <20030313124812.47535.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030313124812.47535.qmail@web20806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: Intrasoft Message-Id: <1047564118.4804.18.camel@intra241.intrasoft.lu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 13 Mar 2003 15:01:58 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey Arun thanks but: That looks really nice, but it isn't quite what I am looking for. This shows each packages and its dependencies (what it depends on). What I would like is a list of packages with a list of all the packages that depend on it(see ;)) For example: Package A -\ Package B Package C where Packageges B and C rely on A...NOT that A requires B and C. Thanks, Anthony On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 13:48, Arun G Nair wrote: > --- CARTER Anthony wrote: > > I would like to find out all the packages installed > > that have no > > dependencies, is this possible? > > > > Also, I would like to build a visual output of what > > packages depend on > > what. Is this possible at all? > > > > Reasons why is that I have installed applications > > using standard make > > clean, make install clean, but removed with > > pkg_delete. This doesn_t get > > rid of the dependent packages that were installed. > > Not all apps have a > > make deinstall (does this remove dependencies > > installed?), so I need to > > clean up without sifting through the pkg_info output > > (many lib files I > > have no idea what they do). > > > > If none of this is possible, I think I may try and > > write something that > > will do this... > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Anthony Carter > > > > Hi, > > There is a package called pkg_tree in the ports.Try > that.It lists all the ports installed in ur sys in a > tree fashion with all it dependencies listed under > port name. > > Arun > > ===== > .o©0єє......Keep Smiling......єє0©o. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 13 6:34: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF6D37B404 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.aplusdata.com (64.83.13.117.dsl117-dhcp-orf.cavtel.net [64.83.13.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA97843FDF for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:34:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anthonyabby@aplusdata.com) Received: from mail.aplusdata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.aplusdata.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B1BED239E5; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 163.2.30.147 (SquirrelMail authenticated user anthonyabby) by mail.aplusdata.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:38:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <62214.163.2.30.147.1047566294.squirrel@mail.aplusdata.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:38:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: CURRENT Vs RELEASE From: "Anthony Abby" To: In-Reply-To: <1047563747.4804.12.camel@intra241.intrasoft.lu> References: <1047563747.4804.12.camel@intra241.intrasoft.lu> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Cc: Reply-To: anthonyabby@aplusdata.com X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org CARTER Anthony said: > I have notices that there is 5.0 Current and 5.0 Release. How do I know > which I have got. Is it like this: > > The ISO I downloeded = Release whereas the CVSUPing that I am doing is > CURRENT, therefore I am CURRENT? Anthony when you downloaded and installed the 5.0 ISO you installed the -RELEASE line of the OS. If you set up CVSUP to sync the -CURRENT line then you'll be updating your system to the -CURRENT line the next time you build world. If you haven't 'build world' yet, you're still running -RELEASE. I'm trying to recall, and perhaps I'm wring, but you should be able to do a 'uname -a' at the command line and it'll tell you what kernel you're running.... -release or -current. -- Anthony Abby http://www.comicsnsuch | Comic Community News http://www.aplusdata.com | System Consultation Web Development To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 13 12:16:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5479637B401 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.nckcn.com (ns2.nckcn.com [206.253.56.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE3043FAF for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:16:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davidc@huyett.com) Received: from 192.168.0.100 (ip-209-42-82-208.nckcn.com [209.42.82.208]) by ns2.nckcn.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id h2DK7W222221 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:07:32 -0600 Received: from M12 ([192.168.0.80]) by 192.168.0.100 with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:15:40 -0600 Reply-To: From: "David Chavarria" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" Subject: Dictionary of Terms Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:15:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Mar 2003 20:15:40.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[516C8940:01C2E99D] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I like the man pages and the handbook, but I was wondering if anyone knew of a dictionary that alphabetically listed FreeBSD/Unix terms? Or, is my best bet to just man a term I don't know when I come across it? 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СТЕЛЛАЖ УНИВЕРСАЛЬНЫЙ РАЗБОРНЫЙ
(Серии НР)

Стеллаж состоит из:

- стоек, изготовленных из металла толщиной 4.00 мм с полимерным покрытием;
- стяжек, изготовленных из металла толщиной 2.00 мм с полимерным покрытием;
- полок, изготовленных из фанеры толщиной 8 – 10 мм или из ДСП толщиной 16 мм
Полимерное покрытие может быть любого цвета – по предварительному заказу.
Стандартный цвет: стойки – синий; стяжки – желтый или серый
Количество полок в комплекте может быть изменено по желанию заказчика.
Расстояние между полками изменяется с шагом 50 или 100 мм. Допустимая распределенная нагрузка на одну полку для стеллажа С-05 составляет 300 кг.
Сборка производится за счет зацепления деталей между собой, не требует применения специального инструмента; монтаж осуществляется за максимально короткое время. Несколько стеллажей могут быть собраны в длину и скреплены между собой отдельными деталями.

         Прайс-лист на стандартные типоразмеры стеллажей серии НР с 4-мя полками:

№
п/п		 Обозначение стеллажа Габаритные размеры, мм Отпускная цена, руб.
высо-
та		 дли-
на		 глу-
бина		 Фанер-
ная полка		 Стальная полка
плос-
кая		 Гоф-
ра
1 НР-00 2000 1024 655 3495 4115 4277
2 НР-01 2000 1540 655 3822 5175 4937
3 НР-02 1500 1540 655 3550 4903 4665
4 НР-03 1500 1024 455 2638 3461 3325
5 НР-05 2000 1540 770 4114 5562 5262
6 НР-06 1950 1024 770 3618 4665 4427
7 НР-08 2000 1540 455 3352 4529 4359
8 НР-12 2000 1540 1005 4916 7208 6256
9 НР-12 – крашенные полки 2000 1540 1005 5321
10 НР-13 2000 1360 555 3679 4944 4698
11 НР-16 2000 1540 610 3794 5148 4910
12 НР-17 2000 1540 500 3400 4597 4440

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BUVSGULFRIDQEREVPJVZVRSXKJTUFVROVKWBMH To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 13 17:16:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F1637B401 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEBD43F85 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:16:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2E1For87503; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:15:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:15:50 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: David Chavarria Cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: Hard words [was: Dictionary of Terms] Message-ID: <20030314121550.J67648@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , David Chavarria , FreeBSD Newbies References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from davidc@huyett.com on Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 02:15:59PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 02:15:59PM -0600, David Chavarria wrote: > I like the man pages and the handbook, but I was wondering if anyone knew > of a dictionary that alphabetically listed FreeBSD/Unix terms? > > Or, is my best bet to just man a term I don't know when I come across it? Some of those words will have man pages, but for a while I've been concerned about another group of words that newbies might struggle with. These are ordinary everyday words that have been adopted with a specific relevance to unix which isn't always very clear despite the familiarity of the word. Also it can be a bit hard to translate from the word's everyday concept to the unix concept. Some other words are just plain English words, but not ones we all use often. Some people would use or hear them in their work or study while others would never encounter them. Ten years ago the average computer user had a large vocabulary and was in the habit of growing it daily, but that is no longer the case. If you're sweating over a man page about some new complex thingy, the last thing you need is to be diverted by a difficult word or concept along the way. Let me try to think of some examples... recursive precedence canonical dynamic architecture delimiting collation primaries lexicographically descend string precedence hierarchy default operator spool traversal pseudo cooked raw affirmatively escaped superseded interface verbose statically contiguous append construct implicit adjacent meta truncated indirection operand options argument parameter reiteratively asynchronous I bet you're all saying that some of those words are easy, but not everyone would agree on which are the easy words. New unix users might find it easier to ask "what does inode mean" ( = I'm new to this unix stuff) than "what does implicit mean" ( = personally I don't have a good vocabulary). Although all those words can be found in a dictionary, the dictionary isn't going to help the task at hand very much. Most are not likely to be found in a dictionary of computing because they're regarded as ordinary English words. You might also encounter concepts which a basic unix book or course should make clear, though they often don't spell it out in a way that's easy to look up: link to/from mounted on links are followed indirected through soft limit null string span filesystems rooted in referenced by mutually exclusive Have other people been stalled by words like those listed above, or is it not such a big deal after all? This sort of problem is sometimes addressed in freebsd-questions, where all FreeBSD help requests and answers should go. On the other hand, in freebsd-newbies we can look at this stuff preemptively (yikes there's another word!) in order to help each other navigate the documentation for themselves, and it's not really a question about FreeBSD after all. If anyone has any ideas or resources that might help others to deal with the general vocabulary, I'm sure your contribution would be welcome. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 13 17:32:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2112C37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from georgetown.igg-tx.net (georgetown.igg-tx.net [204.1.2.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E78F43FBD for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from domanb@igg-tx.net) Received: from misspiggy ([206.224.92.114]) by georgetown.igg-tx.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27417 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:34:47 -0600 From: "Bill Doman" To: Subject: 4.5 to 4.7-STABLE buildworld breaks at libmilter -- I know this stuff from nothing Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:32:46 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Bill Doman [mailto:domanb@igg-tx.net] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:01 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 4.5 to 4.7-STABLE buildworld breaks at libmilter -- I know this stuff from nothing Please forgive a total newbie for my ignorance here. I've got a FreeBSD mail server in my office which is still running 4.5. I've CVSuped the ports collection and kept up with them (thanks to portupgrade), but never done a buildworld on this machine. IIRC, I did install Sendmail either from the ports collection or from sendmail.org when I set it up, since 8.12 was only available that way. My ISP guru suggested upgrading to 4.7. I did this on a number of machines at home which were unimportant, but when I go to do a make buildworld (have cleaned out /usr/obj, not using -j option, have updated /etc/groups and master.passwd). As above, when reference to the libmilter files come up, I get "file not found" errors and then a stop. I've upgraded Sendmail through the ports collection, am I hosed? Or should I just install to another box and try to move over the essentials from this one (not having any clear idea how to do this? I tried a couple "binary upgrades" via CD on the home machines and every one totally broke the system ending with the message that the upgrade should be considered unsuccessful and leaving the box unbootable (except to an install CD to wipe the whole schmear and start over)--if there were a way this actually worked it might be ideal, but it seems unlikely. Here's the relevant section of the buildworld output: setvar PARAMFILE /usr/src/include/../sys/sys/param.h; . /usr/src/include/../sys /conf/newvers.sh; echo "$COPYRIGHT" > osreldate.h; echo "#ifdef _KERNEL" >> osreldate.h; echo '#error "osreldate .h must not be used in the kernel, use sys/param.h"' >> osreldate.h; echo "#els e" >> osreldate.h; echo \#'undef __FreeBSD_version ' >> osreldate.h; echo \#'define __FreeBSD_version' $RELDATE >> osreldate .h; echo "#endif" >> osreldate.h ===> include/arpa ===> include/protocols ===> include/rpc ===> include/rpcsvc rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/key_prot.x -o key_prot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/klm_prot.x -o klm_prot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/mount.x -o mount.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nfs_prot.x -o nfs_prot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nlm_prot.x -o nlm_prot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rex.x -o rex.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rnusers.x -o rnusers.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rquota.x -o rquota.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rstat.x -o rstat.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rwall.x -o rwall.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/sm_inter.x -o sm_inter.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/spray.x -o spray.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/yppasswd.x -o yppasswd.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/yp.x -o yp.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypxfrd.x -o ypxfrd.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypupdate_prot.x -o ypupdate_pro t.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis.x -o nis.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_cache.x -o nis_cache.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_callback.x -o nis_callback. h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x -o bootparam_p rot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/crypt.x -o crypt.h sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/include/a.out. h /usr/src/include/ar.h /usr/src/include/assert.h /usr/src/include/bitstring.h / usr/src/include/complex.h /usr/src/include/ctype.h /usr/src/include/db.h /usr/sr c/include/dirent.h /usr/src/include/disktab.h /usr/src/include/dlfcn.h /usr/src/ include/elf.h /usr/src/include/elf-hints.h /usr/src/include/err.h /usr/src/inclu de/fnmatch.h /usr/src/include/fstab.h /usr/src/include/fts.h /usr/src/include/gl ob.h /usr/src/include/grp.h /usr/src/include/strhash.h /usr/src/include/histedit .h /usr/src/include/ieeefp.h /usr/src/include/ifaddrs.h /usr/src/include/iso646. h /usr/src/include/langinfo.h /usr/src/include/libgen.h /usr/src/include/limits. h /usr/src/include/link.h /usr/src/include/locale.h /usr/src/include/malloc.h /u sr/src/include/memory.h /usr/src/include/mpool.h /usr/src/include/ndbm.h /usr/sr c/include/netdb.h /usr/src/include/nl_types.h /usr/src/include/nlist.h /usr/src/ include/objformat.h /usr/src/include/paths.h /usr/src/include/pthread.h /usr/src /include/pthread_np.h /usr/src/include/pwd.h /usr/src/include/ranlib.h /usr/src/ include/readpassphrase.h /usr/src/include/regex.h /usr/src/include/regexp.h /usr /src/include/resolv.h /usr/src/include/rune.h /usr/src/include/runetype.h /usr/s rc/include/search.h /usr/src/include/setjmp.h /usr/src/include/sgtty.h /usr/src/ include/signal.h /usr/src/include/stab.h /usr/src/include/stdbool.h /usr/src/inc lude/stddef.h /usr/src/include/stdio.h /usr/src/include/stdlib.h /usr/src/includ e/string.h /usr/src/include/stringlist.h /usr/src/include/strings.h /usr/src/inc lude/struct.h /usr/src/include/sysexits.h /usr/src/include/tar.h /usr/src/includ e/time.h /usr/src/include/timers.h /usr/src/include/ttyent.h /usr/src/include/un istd.h /usr/src/include/utime.h /usr/src/include/utmp.h /usr/src/include/vis.h / usr/src/include/wchar.h /usr/src/include/wctype.h osreldate.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i 386/usr/include Setting up symlinks to kernel source tree... rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/cam ln -s ../../sys/cam /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/cam rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/msdosfs ln -s ../../sys/msdosfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/msdosfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/net ln -s ../../sys/net /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/net rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netatalk ln -s ../../sys/netatalk /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netatalk rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netatm ln -s ../../sys/netatm /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netatm rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netgraph ln -s ../../sys/netgraph /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netgraph rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netinet ln -s ../../sys/netinet /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netinet rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netinet6 ln -s ../../sys/netinet6 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netinet6 rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netipx ln -s ../../sys/netipx /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netipx rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netkey ln -s ../../sys/netkey /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netkey rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netnatm ln -s ../../sys/netnatm /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netnatm rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netncp ln -s ../../sys/netncp /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netncp rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netns ln -s ../../sys/netns /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netns rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netsmb ln -s ../../sys/netsmb /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netsmb rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/nfs ln -s ../../sys/nfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/nfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ntfs ln -s ../../sys/ntfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ntfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/nwfs ln -s ../../sys/nwfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/nwfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/pccard ln -s ../../sys/pccard /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/pccard rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/posix4 ln -s ../../sys/posix4 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/posix4 rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys ln -s ../../sys/sys /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/vm ln -s ../../sys/vm /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/vm rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/an ln -s ../../../sys/dev/an /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/an rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/ppbus ln -s ../../../sys/dev/ppbus /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/ppbus rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/usb ln -s ../../../sys/dev/usb /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/usb rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/wi ln -s ../../../sys/dev/wi /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/wi rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/fs/smbfs ln -s ../../../sys/fs/smbfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/fs/smbfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/isofs/cd9660 ln -s ../../../sys/isofs/cd9660 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/isofs/cd9660 rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/ffs ln -s ../../../sys/ufs/ffs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/ffs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/mfs ln -s ../../../sys/ufs/mfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/mfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/ufs ln -s ../../../sys/ufs/ufs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/ufs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine ln -s ../../sys/i386/include /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/aio.h -> sys/aio.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/errno.h -> sys/errno.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/fcntl.h -> sys/fcntl.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/inttypes.h -> sys/inttypes.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/linker_set.h -> sys/linker_set.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/poll.h -> sys/poll.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/syslog.h -> sys/syslog.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/termios.h -> sys/termios.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ucontext.h -> sys/ucontext.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/float.h -> machine/float.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/floatingpoint.h -> machine/floatingpoint.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/stdarg.h -> machine/stdarg.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/varargs.h -> machine/varargs.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/mqueue.h -> posix4/mqueue.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sched.h -> posix4/sched.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/semaphore.h -> posix4/semaphore.h ===> include/arpa sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 ftp.h inet.h nameser.h nameser_compat.h telnet.h tftp.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/arpa ===> include/protocols sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 dumprestore.h routed.h rwhod.h talkd.h timed.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/protocols ===> include/rpc sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 auth.h auth_unix.h clnt .h pmap_clnt.h pmap_prot.h pmap_rmt.h rpc.h rpc_com.h rpc_msg.h svc.h svc_auth.h types.h xdr.h auth_des.h des.h des_crypt.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/rp c ===> include/rpcsvc sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc /yp_prot.h /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypclnt.h /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_db.h /us r/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_tags.h /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nislib.h /usr/src/includ e/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/key_prot.x /usr/src/include/rp csvc/klm_prot.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/mount.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nfs_prot .x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nlm_prot.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rex.x /usr/src/inc lude/rpcsvc/rnusers.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rquota.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/r stat.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rwall.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/sm_inter.x /usr/s rc/include/rpcsvc/spray.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/yppasswd.x /usr/src/include/rp csvc/yp.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypxfrd.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypupdate_prot .x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_cache.x /usr/src/in clude/rpcsvc/nis_object.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_callback.x /usr/src/includ e/rpcsvc/crypt.x key_prot.h klm_prot.h mount.h nfs_prot.h nlm_prot.h rex.h rnuse rs.h rquota.h rstat.h rwall.h sm_inter.h spray.h yppasswd.h yp.h ypxfrd.h ypupda te_prot.h nis.h nis_cache.h nis_callback.h bootparam_prot.h crypt.h /usr/obj/usr /src/i386/usr/include/rpcsvc sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 key_prot.h /usr/obj/usr /src/i386/usr/include/rpc ===> lib cd /usr/src/lib; make buildincludes; make installincludes ===> lib/csu/i386-elf ===> lib/libcom_err ===> lib/libcom_err/doc ===> lib/libcrypt ===> lib/msun ===> lib/libmd ===> lib/libncurses ===> lib/libradius ===> lib/libskey ===> lib/libtacplus ===> lib/libutil ===> lib/compat ===> lib/compat/compat4x.i386 ===> lib/libalias ===> lib/libatm ===> lib/libbind ===> lib/libbz2 ===> lib/libc ===> lib/libc_r ===> lib/libcalendar ===> lib/libcam ===> lib/libcompat ===> lib/libdevstat ===> lib/libdisk ===> lib/libedit ===> lib/libfetch ===> lib/libform ===> lib/libftpio ===> lib/libipsec ===> lib/libipx ===> lib/libisc ===> lib/libkvm ===> lib/libmenu ===> lib/libmilter make: don't know how to make /usr/src/lib/libmilter/../../contrib/sendmail/inclu de/libmilter/mfapi.h. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Here is the make.conf: /conf/newvers.sh; echo "$COPYRIGHT" > osreldate.h; echo "#ifdef _KERNEL" >> osreldate.h; echo '#error "osreldate .h must not be used in the kernel, use sys/param.h"' >> osreldate.h; echo "#els e" >> osreldate.h; echo \#'undef __FreeBSD_version ' >> osreldate.h; echo \#'define __FreeBSD_version' $RELDATE >> osreldate .h; echo "#endif" >> osreldate.h ===> include/arpa ===> include/protocols ===> include/rpc ===> include/rpcsvc rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/key_prot.x -o key_prot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/klm_prot.x -o klm_prot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/mount.x -o mount.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nfs_prot.x -o nfs_prot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nlm_prot.x -o nlm_prot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rex.x -o rex.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rnusers.x -o rnusers.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rquota.x -o rquota.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rstat.x -o rstat.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rwall.x -o rwall.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/sm_inter.x -o sm_inter.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/spray.x -o spray.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/yppasswd.x -o yppasswd.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/yp.x -o yp.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypxfrd.x -o ypxfrd.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypupdate_prot.x -o ypupdate_pro t.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis.x -o nis.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_cache.x -o nis_cache.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_callback.x -o nis_callback. h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x -o bootparam_p rot.h rpcgen -C -h -DWANT_NFS3 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/crypt.x -o crypt.h sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/include/a.out. h /usr/src/include/ar.h /usr/src/include/assert.h /usr/src/include/bitstring.h / usr/src/include/complex.h /usr/src/include/ctype.h /usr/src/include/db.h /usr/sr c/include/dirent.h /usr/src/include/disktab.h /usr/src/include/dlfcn.h /usr/src/ include/elf.h /usr/src/include/elf-hints.h /usr/src/include/err.h /usr/src/inclu de/fnmatch.h /usr/src/include/fstab.h /usr/src/include/fts.h /usr/src/include/gl ob.h /usr/src/include/grp.h /usr/src/include/strhash.h /usr/src/include/histedit .h /usr/src/include/ieeefp.h /usr/src/include/ifaddrs.h /usr/src/include/iso646. h /usr/src/include/langinfo.h /usr/src/include/libgen.h /usr/src/include/limits. h /usr/src/include/link.h /usr/src/include/locale.h /usr/src/include/malloc.h /u sr/src/include/memory.h /usr/src/include/mpool.h /usr/src/include/ndbm.h /usr/sr c/include/netdb.h /usr/src/include/nl_types.h /usr/src/include/nlist.h /usr/src/ include/objformat.h /usr/src/include/paths.h /usr/src/include/pthread.h /usr/src /include/pthread_np.h /usr/src/include/pwd.h /usr/src/include/ranlib.h /usr/src/ include/readpassphrase.h /usr/src/include/regex.h /usr/src/include/regexp.h /usr /src/include/resolv.h /usr/src/include/rune.h /usr/src/include/runetype.h /usr/s rc/include/search.h /usr/src/include/setjmp.h /usr/src/include/sgtty.h /usr/src/ include/signal.h /usr/src/include/stab.h /usr/src/include/stdbool.h /usr/src/inc lude/stddef.h /usr/src/include/stdio.h /usr/src/include/stdlib.h /usr/src/includ e/string.h /usr/src/include/stringlist.h /usr/src/include/strings.h /usr/src/inc lude/struct.h /usr/src/include/sysexits.h /usr/src/include/tar.h /usr/src/includ e/time.h /usr/src/include/timers.h /usr/src/include/ttyent.h /usr/src/include/un istd.h /usr/src/include/utime.h /usr/src/include/utmp.h /usr/src/include/vis.h / usr/src/include/wchar.h /usr/src/include/wctype.h osreldate.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i 386/usr/include Setting up symlinks to kernel source tree... rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/cam ln -s ../../sys/cam /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/cam rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/msdosfs ln -s ../../sys/msdosfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/msdosfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/net ln -s ../../sys/net /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/net rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netatalk ln -s ../../sys/netatalk /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netatalk rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netatm ln -s ../../sys/netatm /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netatm rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netgraph ln -s ../../sys/netgraph /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netgraph rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netinet ln -s ../../sys/netinet /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netinet rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netinet6 ln -s ../../sys/netinet6 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netinet6 rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netipx ln -s ../../sys/netipx /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netipx rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netkey ln -s ../../sys/netkey /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netkey rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netnatm ln -s ../../sys/netnatm /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netnatm rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netncp ln -s ../../sys/netncp /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netncp rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netns ln -s ../../sys/netns /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netns rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netsmb ln -s ../../sys/netsmb /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/netsmb rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/nfs ln -s ../../sys/nfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/nfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ntfs ln -s ../../sys/ntfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ntfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/nwfs ln -s ../../sys/nwfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/nwfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/pccard ln -s ../../sys/pccard /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/pccard rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/posix4 ln -s ../../sys/posix4 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/posix4 rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys ln -s ../../sys/sys /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/vm ln -s ../../sys/vm /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/vm rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/an ln -s ../../../sys/dev/an /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/an rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/ppbus ln -s ../../../sys/dev/ppbus /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/ppbus rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/usb ln -s ../../../sys/dev/usb /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/usb rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/wi ln -s ../../../sys/dev/wi /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/dev/wi rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/fs/smbfs ln -s ../../../sys/fs/smbfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/fs/smbfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/isofs/cd9660 ln -s ../../../sys/isofs/cd9660 /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/isofs/cd9660 rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/ffs ln -s ../../../sys/ufs/ffs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/ffs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/mfs ln -s ../../../sys/ufs/mfs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/mfs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/ufs ln -s ../../../sys/ufs/ufs /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ufs/ufs rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine ln -s ../../sys/i386/include /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/aio.h -> sys/aio.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/errno.h -> sys/errno.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/fcntl.h -> sys/fcntl.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/inttypes.h -> sys/inttypes.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/linker_set.h -> sys/linker_set.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/poll.h -> sys/poll.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/syslog.h -> sys/syslog.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/termios.h -> sys/termios.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/ucontext.h -> sys/ucontext.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/float.h -> machine/float.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/floatingpoint.h -> machine/floatingpoint.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/stdarg.h -> machine/stdarg.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/varargs.h -> machine/varargs.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/mqueue.h -> posix4/mqueue.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sched.h -> posix4/sched.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/semaphore.h -> posix4/semaphore.h ===> include/arpa sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 ftp.h inet.h nameser.h nameser_compat.h telnet.h tftp.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/arpa ===> include/protocols sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 dumprestore.h routed.h rwhod.h talkd.h timed.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/protocols ===> include/rpc sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 auth.h auth_unix.h clnt .h pmap_clnt.h pmap_prot.h pmap_rmt.h rpc.h rpc_com.h rpc_msg.h svc.h svc_auth.h types.h xdr.h auth_des.h des.h des_crypt.h /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/rp c ===> include/rpcsvc sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 /usr/src/include/rpcsvc /yp_prot.h /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypclnt.h /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_db.h /us r/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_tags.h /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nislib.h /usr/src/includ e/rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/key_prot.x /usr/src/include/rp csvc/klm_prot.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/mount.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nfs_prot .x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nlm_prot.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rex.x /usr/src/inc lude/rpcsvc/rnusers.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rquota.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/r stat.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/rwall.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/sm_inter.x /usr/s rc/include/rpcsvc/spray.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/yppasswd.x /usr/src/include/rp csvc/yp.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypxfrd.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/ypupdate_prot .x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_cache.x /usr/src/in clude/rpcsvc/nis_object.x /usr/src/include/rpcsvc/nis_callback.x /usr/src/includ e/rpcsvc/crypt.x key_prot.h klm_prot.h mount.h nfs_prot.h nlm_prot.h rex.h rnuse rs.h rquota.h rstat.h rwall.h sm_inter.h spray.h yppasswd.h yp.h ypxfrd.h ypupda te_prot.h nis.h nis_cache.h nis_callback.h bootparam_prot.h crypt.h /usr/obj/usr /src/i386/usr/include/rpcsvc sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 key_prot.h /usr/obj/usr /src/i386/usr/include/rpc ===> lib cd /usr/src/lib; make buildincludes; make installincludes ===> lib/csu/i386-elf ===> lib/libcom_err ===> lib/libcom_err/doc ===> lib/libcrypt ===> lib/msun ===> lib/libmd ===> lib/libncurses ===> lib/libradius ===> lib/libskey ===> lib/libtacplus ===> lib/libutil ===> lib/compat ===> lib/compat/compat4x.i386 ===> lib/libalias ===> lib/libatm ===> lib/libbind ===> lib/libbz2 ===> lib/libc ===> lib/libc_r ===> lib/libcalendar ===> lib/libcam ===> lib/libcompat ===> lib/libdevstat ===> lib/libdisk ===> lib/libedit ===> lib/libfetch ===> lib/libform ===> lib/libftpio ===> lib/libipsec ===> lib/libipx Any suggestions will be appreciated! TIA Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 0: 2:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23B837B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.cistron.nl (smtp2.cistron.nl [62.216.30.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5CE43F93 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:02:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from basics@zenzee.cistron.nl) Received: from cust.94.12.adsl.cistron.nl ([195.64.94.12] helo=192.168.1.3) by smtp2.cistron.nl with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18tk8R-00066s-00; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:01:47 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:01:46 +0100 From: Vincent Zee To: Sue Blake Cc: FreeBSD Newbies Message-ID: <20030314090146424606.GyazMail.basics@zenzee.cistron.nl> In-Reply-To: <20030314121550.J67648@welearn.com.au> References: <20030314121550.J67648@welearn.com.au> Subject: Re: Hard words [was: Dictionary of Terms] Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 0.9.9.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: GyazMail version 0.9.9.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:15:50 +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 02:15:59PM -0600, David Chavarria wrote: >> I like the man pages and the handbook, but I was wondering if anyone knew >> of a dictionary that alphabetically listed FreeBSD/Unix terms? >> >> Or, is my best bet to just man a term I don't know when I come across it? > > Some of those words will have man pages, but for a while I've been > concerned about another group of words that newbies might struggle with. > > These are ordinary everyday words that have been adopted with a > specific relevance to unix which isn't always very clear despite > the familiarity of the word. Also it can be a bit hard to translate > from the word's everyday concept to the unix concept. (snip) I really agree with you Sue and especially so for non-native english speakers like myself. 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Acesse nossa Home Page para mais detalhes: http://www.redacaocartas.ihp.com.br Ps: Caso nгo queira receber novas mensagens e novidades sobre esse assunto, acesse: http://www.remova-me.ihp.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 6:15:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A131337B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB43243FDD for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:15:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from ovis.net (s21.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.88]) by ns1.ovis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D95D3B2E; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:15:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E71E3D5.57838161@ovis.net> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:14:45 +0000 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: David Chavarria , FreeBSD Newbies , Steve-o Kudlak , ulmoq Subject: Re: Hard words [was: Dictionary of Terms] References: <20030314121550.J67648@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 02:15:59PM -0600, David Chavarria wrote: > > I like the man pages and the handbook, but I was wondering if anyone knew > > of a dictionary that alphabetically listed FreeBSD/Unix terms? > > > > Or, is my best bet to just man a term I don't know when I come across it? > > Some of those words will have man pages, but for a while I've been > concerned about another group of words that newbies might struggle with. > > These are ordinary everyday words that have been adopted with a > specific relevance to unix which isn't always very clear despite > the familiarity of the word. Also it can be a bit hard to translate > from the word's everyday concept to the unix concept. > > Some other words are just plain English words, but not ones we all > use often. Some people would use or hear them in their work or study > while others would never encounter them. Ten years ago the average > computer user had a large vocabulary and was in the habit of growing > it daily, but that is no longer the case. If you're sweating over a > man page about some new complex thingy, the last thing you need is > to be diverted by a difficult word or concept along the way. > > Let me try to think of some examples... > recursive > precedence > canonical > dynamic > architecture > delimiting > collation > primaries > lexicographically > descend > string > precedence > hierarchy > default > operator > spool > traversal > pseudo > cooked > raw > affirmatively > escaped > superseded > interface > verbose > statically > contiguous > append > construct > implicit > adjacent > meta > truncated > indirection > operand > options > argument > parameter > reiteratively > asynchronous > > I bet you're all saying that some of those words are easy, but not > everyone would agree on which are the easy words. New unix users > might find it easier to ask "what does inode mean" ( = I'm new to > this unix stuff) than "what does implicit mean" ( = personally I > don't have a good vocabulary). > > Although all those words can be found in a dictionary, the dictionary > isn't going to help the task at hand very much. Most are not > likely to be found in a dictionary of computing because they're > regarded as ordinary English words. > > You might also encounter concepts which a basic unix book or course > should make clear, though they often don't spell it out in a way > that's easy to look up: > link to/from > mounted on > links are followed > indirected through > soft limit > null string > span filesystems > rooted in > referenced by > mutually exclusive > > Have other people been stalled by words like those listed above, > or is it not such a big deal after all? > > This sort of problem is sometimes addressed in freebsd-questions, > where all FreeBSD help requests and answers should go. > > On the other hand, in freebsd-newbies we can look at this stuff > preemptively (yikes there's another word!) in order to help > each other navigate the documentation for themselves, and it's > not really a question about FreeBSD after all. > > If anyone has any ideas or resources that might help others to deal > with the general vocabulary, I'm sure your contribution would be > welcome. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Maybe there should be a hardwords dictionary. I am hardly a newbie so I think of those words in the various situations, dare I say "contexts" where I used them. Like did those things mean different things in the PDP10/ITS/TENEX world, uh like when I was a real newbie, from the world in which I am now inwhich is Unix and its flavours. For more fun remember what the word "preempt" meant in Multics and what "You are Protected from Preemptipon" really means. So perhaps one should look at what these words mean in various technical contexts. A little technical dictionary would be a great idea as these words come up time and again in various situations. To me it was being able to read through things and see the terms and have them mean something to me and "get the gist" of things that convinces me I am on the way to understanding things. I think/feel this applies to a whole variety of technical fields. I mean I could prepare a bunch of words like that from biology and medicine like "sense" and "anti-sense" among others. I mean there should be a T-shirt that says "anti-sense is not nonsense!" Not none of this gets as weird as some version of art jargon. I certainly like that and many people now get what (dare I say "grok") the phrase "informed by" means. Hmmm should I throw in the aesthetics folks just for good measure here? Have Fun, Sends Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 6:18:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5938E37B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473DE43F3F for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:18:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D42E14238; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:18:27 -0300 (BRT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15985.58547.723458.569198@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:18:27 -0300 From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: chromexa@ovis.net Cc: Sue Blake , David Chavarria , FreeBSD Newbies , Steve-o Kudlak , ulmoq Subject: Re: Hard words [was: Dictionary of Terms] In-Reply-To: <3E71E3D5.57838161@ovis.net> References: <20030314121550.J67648@welearn.com.au> <3E71E3D5.57838161@ovis.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under Emacs 21.2.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/index.html >>>>> on Friday, 14 Mar 2003 14:14:45, Steve Kudlak wrote: | | | |Sue Blake wrote: | |> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 02:15:59PM -0600, David Chavarria wrote: |> > I like the man pages and the handbook, but I was wondering if anyone knew |> > of a dictionary that alphabetically listed FreeBSD/Unix terms? |> > |> > Or, is my best bet to just man a term I don't know when I come across it? |> |> Some of those words will have man pages, but for a while I've been |> concerned about another group of words that newbies might struggle with. |> |> These are ordinary everyday words that have been adopted with a |> specific relevance to unix which isn't always very clear despite |> the familiarity of the word. Also it can be a bit hard to translate |> from the word's everyday concept to the unix concept. |> |> Some other words are just plain English words, but not ones we all |> use often. Some people would use or hear them in their work or study |> while others would never encounter them. Ten years ago the average |> computer user had a large vocabulary and was in the habit of growing |> it daily, but that is no longer the case. If you're sweating over a |> man page about some new complex thingy, the last thing you need is |> to be diverted by a difficult word or concept along the way. |> |> Let me try to think of some examples... |> recursive |> precedence |> canonical |> dynamic |> architecture |> delimiting |> collation |> primaries |> lexicographically |> descend |> string |> precedence |> hierarchy |> default |> operator |> spool |> traversal |> pseudo |> cooked |> raw |> affirmatively |> escaped |> superseded |> interface |> verbose |> statically |> contiguous |> append |> construct |> implicit |> adjacent |> meta |> truncated |> indirection |> operand |> options |> argument |> parameter |> reiteratively |> asynchronous |> |> I bet you're all saying that some of those words are easy, but not |> everyone would agree on which are the easy words. New unix users |> might find it easier to ask "what does inode mean" ( = I'm new to |> this unix stuff) than "what does implicit mean" ( = personally I |> don't have a good vocabulary). |> |> Although all those words can be found in a dictionary, the dictionary |> isn't going to help the task at hand very much. Most are not |> likely to be found in a dictionary of computing because they're |> regarded as ordinary English words. |> |> You might also encounter concepts which a basic unix book or course |> should make clear, though they often don't spell it out in a way |> that's easy to look up: |> link to/from |> mounted on |> links are followed |> indirected through |> soft limit |> null string |> span filesystems |> rooted in |> referenced by |> mutually exclusive |> |> Have other people been stalled by words like those listed above, |> or is it not such a big deal after all? |> |> This sort of problem is sometimes addressed in freebsd-questions, |> where all FreeBSD help requests and answers should go. |> |> On the other hand, in freebsd-newbies we can look at this stuff |> preemptively (yikes there's another word!) in order to help |> each other navigate the documentation for themselves, and it's |> not really a question about FreeBSD after all. |> |> If anyone has any ideas or resources that might help others to deal |> with the general vocabulary, I'm sure your contribution would be |> welcome. |> |> -- |> |> Regards, |> -*Sue*- |> |> |> |> |> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org |> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message | |Maybe there should be a hardwords dictionary. I am |hardly a newbie so I think of those words in the various |situations, dare I say "contexts" where I used them. |Like did those things mean different things in the |PDP10/ITS/TENEX world, uh like when I was a |real newbie, from the world in which I am now inwhich |is Unix and its flavours. For more fun remember |what the word "preempt" meant in Multics and what |"You are Protected from Preemptipon" really means. | |So perhaps one should look at what these words mean |in various technical contexts. A little technical dictionary |would be a great idea as these words come up time and |again in various situations. To me it was being able to read |through things and see the terms and have them mean |something to me and "get the gist" of things that convinces |me I am on the way to understanding things. | |I think/feel this applies to a whole variety of technical |fields. I mean I could prepare a bunch of words like that |from biology and medicine like "sense" and "anti-sense" |among others. I mean there should be a T-shirt that says |"anti-sense is not nonsense!" | |Not none of this gets as weird as some version of |art jargon. I certainly like that and many people now |get what (dare I say "grok") the phrase "informed by" |means. Hmmm should I throw in the aesthetics folks |just for good measure here? | |Have Fun, |Sends Steve | | | | |To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org |with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br ###################################################################### # "Work is the refuge of people who have nothing better to do." # # Oscar Wilde # ###################################################################### To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 8: 7:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E283637B404; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from webx.uccb.ns.ca (webx.uccb.ns.ca [142.12.21.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D5B43FBD; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gaakl@hamhn.www-mailserver.com) Received: from Spooler by webx.uccb.ns.ca (Mercury/32 v3.32) ID MO0027E2; 14 Mar 03 12:08:35 -0400 Received: from spooler by webx.uccb.ns.ca (Mercury/32 v3.32); 14 Mar 03 11:55:06 -0400 Received: from freebsd.org (61.224.133.203) by webx.uccb.ns.ca (Mercury/32 v3.32) ID MG0027DB; 14 Mar 03 11:54:58 -0400 From: "Download Trial Version For FREE" Subject: Want to boost your sales with Internet Marketing? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 10: 4:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C360C37B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAFD43F93 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:04:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdunham@texas.net) Received: from 18jdunham ([66.136.220.34]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBR0035I3JS6Y@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:04:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:04:39 -0600 From: jdunham@texas.net Subject: Re: Hard words [was: Dictionary of Terms] In-reply-to: <15985.58547.723458.569198@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> To: chromexa@ovis.net, atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br Cc: Sue Blake , David Chavarria , FreeBSD Newbies , Steve-o Kudlak , ulmoq Message-id: <3E71C557.3841.1381F9C3@localhost> Organization: M3 Design, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body References: <3E71E3D5.57838161@ovis.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14 Mar 2003 at 11:18, Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga wrote: > http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/index.html http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/ http://www.netlingo.com/ http://info.astrian.net/jargon/ http://www.pcwebopaedia.com/ http://www.computeruser.com/resources/dictionary/dictionary.html http://www.smileydictionary.com/ and of course :-) - http://www.quicksilver899.com/Tolkien/Tolkien_Dictionary.html -- Jerry Dunham M3 Design, Inc. jdunham@m3designinc.com (512) 218-8858 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 11:39:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55D937B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.omicnet.com (ip-208-181-72-171.adsl.radiant.net [208.181.72.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0AA43F85 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from inspector.us@omicnet.com) Received: from inspectorbox (130-94-160-46-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.160.46]) by www.omicnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA17009 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:39:46 -0800 From: "Joshua Lokken" To: "Freebsd-Newbies@Freebsd. Org" Subject: UNIX Mail help Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:39:46 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I would like to learn to use and maintain my own mailserver. I've read some docs, and watched related threads on the lists, and have decided to go with postfix. Each time I decide to tear into the project of setting it up, I realize that I don't have the basic understanding of UNIX mail to complete the job. When I start reading postfix docs, I quickly feel like I'm sinking in quicksand--the concepts make sense to me, but the language and examples are not clear enough for me to grasp. My questions is this: Where should I start, as far as reading goes? I've read (and partially undestood) the sendmail chapter from UNIX System Adminstration the sendmail chapter from the handbook (some) of the Postfix docs I'm not stupid, I just need a nudge i the right direction. Thanks for any advice! (Please cc me) -- Best Regards, Joshua Lokken OMIC Portland Branch inspector.us@omicnet.com 503 807 6538 -------------------------> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 12:29:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C961037B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pd5mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAECC43F3F for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyschow@shaw.ca) Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBR00533A8VCU@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:29:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml5so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml5so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.149]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBR00JPCA8VQ8@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:29:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.peyto.ca (h68-147-174-254.cg.shawcable.net [68.147.174.254]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0HBR00LBEA8VAR@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:29:19 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 29377 invoked from network); Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:29:18 +0000 Received: from firewall.peyto.ca (HELO SAMCHOW2) (192.168.1.1) by homeserver.peyto.ca with SMTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:29:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:32:15 -0700 From: Samuel Chow Subject: Re: UNIX Mail help To: Joshua Lokken Cc: "Freebsd-Newbies@Freebsd. Org" Message-id: <003401c2ea68$cd38df30$8142412f@SAMCHOW2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lokken" > Each time I decide to tear into the project of setting it > up, I realize that I don't have the basic understanding of > UNIX mail to complete the job. I have the exact same feeling when I started to do that for fun a couple years back. The mail system looks simple but is very complicated. 1) understand there are many pieces to the puzzle. DNS, SMTP, POP3, and IMAP are all protocols used in various stages during mail delivery (I am talking about the user actually see the mail in the client). 2) understand there are more than 1 way to store mail on the server: mbox, Maildir are all mailbox formats, and you get to choose exactly one. 3) understand how your ISP do mail, and decide how much you want to leverage their infrastructure. --- Samuel Chow cyschow@shaw.ca This message is displayed using recycled electrons. Segmentation Fault (core dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 15:54:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A1E37B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.omicnet.com (ip-208-181-72-171.adsl.radiant.net [208.181.72.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF9443FAF for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:54:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from inspector.us@omicnet.com) Received: from inspectorbox (130-94-160-46-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.160.46]) by www.omicnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id PAA01898; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:53:46 -0800 From: "Joshua Lokken" To: "Samuel Chow" Cc: "Freebsd-Newbies@Freebsd. Org" Subject: RE: UNIX Mail help Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:54:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <003401c2ea68$cd38df30$8142412f@SAMCHOW2> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Samuel Chow [mailto:cyschow@shaw.ca] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:32 PM > To: Joshua Lokken > Cc: Freebsd-Newbies@Freebsd. Org > Subject: Re: UNIX Mail help > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lokken" > > > Each time I decide to tear into the project of setting it > > up, I realize that I don't have the basic understanding of > > UNIX mail to complete the job. > > I have the exact same feeling when I started to do that > for fun a couple years back. The mail system looks simple > but is very complicated. > > 1) understand there are many pieces to the puzzle. DNS, > SMTP, POP3, and IMAP are all protocols used in > various stages during mail delivery (I am talking > about the user actually see the mail in the client). > Ok, here's one point that's got me hung up. I receive my IP dynamically (DHCP). For web resolution I use ZoneEdit, since technically I am not "allowed" to host these services independently, so setting up proper MX records with ZoneEdit is essential, correct? Also, is the ISP 'correct' in telling me that I cannot manage DNS for my own domain? Can I 'override' that directive safely? > 2) understand there are more than 1 way to store mail > on the server: mbox, Maildir are all mailbox formats, > and you get to choose exactly one. While I've read there are advantages to the Maildir format, I'd like to keep the [default] format that my systems (all FreeBSD) come with out of the box. Is this easier/more difficult, or [in]advisable? > > 3) understand how your ISP do mail, and decide how much > you want to leverage their infrastructure. > For my own sense of security/sanity, I'd like to try to keep this as IDP-independent as possible. But, understanding my ISPs mail infrastructure can't be bad, in any case... > --- > Samuel Chow > cyschow@shaw.ca > > This message is displayed using recycled electrons. > Segmentation Fault (core dumped) > Thanks for the reply, -- Joshua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 16:36:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B7037B404 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E0443FAF for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyschow@shaw.ca) Received: from pd2mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr2so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.109]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBR00HMALOPPA@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:36:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml3so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.147]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBR001KKLOPUB@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:36:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.peyto.ca (h68-147-174-254.cg.shawcable.net [68.147.174.254]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with SMTP id <0HBR00H4QLOPJB@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:36:25 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 30193 invoked from network); Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:36:25 +0000 Received: from firewall.peyto.ca (HELO SAMCHOW2) (192.168.1.1) by homeserver.peyto.ca with SMTP; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:36:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:39:22 -0700 From: Samuel Chow Subject: Re: UNIX Mail help To: Joshua Lokken Cc: "Freebsd-Newbies@Freebsd. Org" Message-id: <015e01c2ea8b$529b2c10$8142412f@SAMCHOW2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lokken" > > 1) understand there are many pieces to the puzzle. DNS, > > SMTP, POP3, and IMAP are all protocols used in > > various stages during mail delivery (I am talking > > about the user actually see the mail in the client). > > > > Ok, here's one point that's got me hung up. I receive my IP > dynamically (DHCP). For web resolution I use ZoneEdit, since > technically I am not "allowed" to host these services > independently, so setting up proper MX records with ZoneEdit is > essential, correct? I am not familiar with ZoneEdit, but a quick peek to me seems to be a DNS hosting kind of thing. In that case, yes, you have to have a MX record with your domain, assuming you have a domain. > Also, is the ISP 'correct' in telling me that I cannot manage > DNS for my own domain? Can I 'override' that directive safely? To run your own DNS, you have to have 2 separate static IP address. Since you use DHCP, your cannot run it on your own box. > > 2) understand there are more than 1 way to store mail > > on the server: mbox, Maildir are all mailbox formats, > > and you get to choose exactly one. > > While I've read there are advantages to the Maildir format, > I'd like to keep the [default] format that my systems (all > FreeBSD) come with out of the box. Is this easier/more > difficult, or [in]advisable? I use Maildir because I use qmail, and it only supports Maildir. Sometime you are stuck because of your choice of MTA (mail transport agent). > > 3) understand how your ISP do mail, and decide how much > > you want to leverage their infrastructure. > > > > For my own sense of security/sanity, I'd like to try to keep > this as IDP-independent as possible. But, understanding my ISPs > mail infrastructure can't be bad, in any case... You have your limitations on what you can do. For example, since you are on DHCP, you do not get mail once your IP is changed and your MX record hasn't been changed. Is that something you want? Another example is my reverse DNS does not always work, and guess what? I can't deliver mail to freebsd.org during those time. So what I do is to setup qmail with a static route with freebsd.org domain to go to my ISP. Choices like that cannot be made until you understand what your limitations are and what your ISP can do. That's what I meant. --- Samuel Chow cyschow@shaw.ca This message is displayed using recycled electrons. Segmentation Fault (core dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 17: 3:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBE437B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.omicnet.com (ip-208-181-72-171.adsl.radiant.net [208.181.72.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26E444045 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:02:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from inspector.us@omicnet.com) Received: from inspectorbox (130-94-160-46-dsl.hevanet.com [130.94.160.46]) by www.omicnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA03290; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:02:19 -0800 From: "Joshua Lokken" To: "Samuel Chow" Cc: "Freebsd-Newbies@Freebsd. Org" Subject: RE: UNIX Mail help Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:02:51 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <015e01c2ea8b$529b2c10$8142412f@SAMCHOW2> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Samuel Chow [mailto:cyschow@shaw.ca] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:39 PM > To: Joshua Lokken > Cc: Freebsd-Newbies@Freebsd. Org > Subject: Re: UNIX Mail help > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lokken" > > > > 1) understand there are many pieces to the puzzle. DNS, > > > SMTP, POP3, and IMAP are all protocols used in > > > various stages during mail delivery (I am talking > > > about the user actually see the mail in the client). > > > > > > > Ok, here's one point that's got me hung up. I receive my IP > > dynamically (DHCP). For web resolution I use ZoneEdit, since > > technically I am not "allowed" to host these services > > independently, so setting up proper MX records with ZoneEdit is > > essential, correct? > > I am not familiar with ZoneEdit, but a quick peek to me > seems to be a DNS hosting kind of thing. In that case, > yes, you have to have a MX record with your domain, > assuming you have a domain. > > > Also, is the ISP 'correct' in telling me that I cannot manage > > DNS for my own domain? Can I 'override' that directive safely? > > To run your own DNS, you have to have 2 separate static IP > address. Since you use DHCP, your cannot run it on your > own box. > Ok, that makes sense. Would an internal caching nameserver still be a good idea? I have a small site; 4 FreeBSD machines, one of which is the gateway/router and one of which is the server, a test box and a workstation, also a Sparcstation5/Solaris box. My needs are to host my domain only (httpd, mail, mp3). > > > 3) understand how your ISP do mail, and decide how much > > > you want to leverage their infrastructure. > > > > > > > For my own sense of security/sanity, I'd like to try to keep > > this as ISP-independent as possible. But, understanding my ISPs > > mail infrastructure can't be bad, in any case... > > You have your limitations on what you can do. For example, > since you are on DHCP, you do not get mail once your IP > is changed and your MX record hasn't been changed. Is > that something you want? I understand the implications of this setup, however, my IP hasn't changed once in 2 years. If it does, I have ddclient checking periodically with ZoneEdit to update the IP. Will this still take [up to] 72 hours to propagate, as with any name updates? > Another example is my reverse DNS does not always work, and > guess what? I can't deliver mail to freebsd.org during > those time. So what I do is to setup qmail with a static > route with freebsd.org domain to go to my ISP. > If you have time and energy, I'd be interested in knowing a little more about that. How do you setup a static route for that situation? > Choices like that cannot be made until you understand what > your limitations are and what your ISP can do. That's what > I meant. > To find meaningful answers to these ISP-related issues, who do I contact? Any Joe Blow at the ISPs office? A specific department? What questions do I need to ask? I know that I sometimes complicate things more than they need to be in my own mind... Again, thanks! -- Joshua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 19:10:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EC437B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C1643F3F for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2F3A7NS061971 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2F3A73I061970 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:10:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200303150310.h2F3A73I061970@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 20: 4:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901D037B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCAC43FAF for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:04:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MatthewJP@mac.com) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h2F44Gx9019680 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([24.29.112.15]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HBRVB400.A1G for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:04:16 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:04:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: WHAT DOES "BSD" MEAN?????? From: MatthewJP To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2EF0DA81-569B-11D7-8C81-000A27DE0972@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Allow me to suggest that for starters you tell people WHAT THE HELL BSF MEANS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 20: 7:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F3137B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89AA43FDF for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jallen@aviating.org) Received: from aviating.org (66-27-112-22.san.rr.com [66.27.112.22]) by orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h2F44ak11295; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:04:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3E72A6E8.FAB02E12@aviating.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:07:04 -0800 From: Slim Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MatthewJP Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WHAT DOES "BSD" MEAN?????? References: <2EF0DA81-569B-11D7-8C81-000A27DE0972@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maybe for starters some of us need to learn to twype! Slim MatthewJP wrote: > > Allow me to suggest that for starters you tell people > WHAT THE HELL BSF MEANS. > ^^^ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 21: 5:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D2937B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (mail9.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A571243F75 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:05:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from WD@US-Webmasters.com) Received: from us-webmasters.com (us-webmasters.com [207.159.139.240]) by mail9.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.8/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2F55jtU018814 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:05:46 -0500 Received: from xyz.US-Webmasters.com (batv-01-032.dialup.netins.net [216.248.109.33]) by us-webmasters.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09054 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:05:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030314230452.052aa4a0@207.159.139.240> X-Sender: wd@207.159.139.240 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:05:39 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "W. D." Subject: Re: WHAT DOES "BSD" MEAN?????? In-Reply-To: <2EF0DA81-569B-11D7-8C81-000A27DE0972@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 22:04 3/14/2003, MatthewJP, wrote: >Allow me to suggest that for starters you tell people >WHAT THE HECK BSD MEANS, please, http://www.Google.com/search?q=3DBSD+Berkeley+Software+Designs Start Here to Find It Fast!=A9 -> http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-pa= ge/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 21:24:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3C437B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6DF43FA3 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:24:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9F351A58; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:54:26 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:54:26 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: MatthewJP Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: The meaning of BSF (was: WHAT DOES "BSD" MEAN??????) Message-ID: <20030315052426.GR90698@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <2EF0DA81-569B-11D7-8C81-000A27DE0972@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/Isdj7O9hWi8F9Bn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2EF0DA81-569B-11D7-8C81-000A27DE0972@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --/Isdj7O9hWi8F9Bn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 14 March 2003 at 23:04:13 -0500, MatthewJP wrote: > Allow me to suggest that for starters you tell people > WHAT THE HELL BSF MEANS. "Bund Schweizer Frauenorganisationen" (http://www.bsf.ch/), or Bible Study Fellowship (http://www.bsfinternational.org/). There are many others. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --/Isdj7O9hWi8F9Bn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+crkKIubykFB6QiMRAtIKAKCux40DpsOGVWvsVTRx6qrbOlwNnACfZPjF oSAftvK4OD67Azmuv9hFmIE= =uESY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/Isdj7O9hWi8F9Bn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 21:38: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DED037B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A49943FAF for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:37:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HBR00IDSZN8PB@net.WAU.NL> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:37:56 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:38:00 +0100 (CET) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" Subject: Re: WHAT DOES "BSD" MEAN?????? To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net Message-id: <0HBR00IDTZN8PB@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org or http://www.Google.com/search?q=BSD+Berkeley+Software+Distribution > http://www.Google.com/search?q=BSD+Berkeley+Software+Designs > > Start Here to Find It Fast!© -> > http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ -- tcGB <>< Fi-Ji ><> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 14 22: 1: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0820737B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pd6mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8875343F75 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyschow@shaw.ca) Received: from pd6mr4so.prod.shaw.ca (pd6mr4so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.219]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBS001840PQI3@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml4so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml4so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.148]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBS00LHA0PQ9Q@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:01:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.peyto.ca (h68-147-174-254.cg.shawcable.net [68.147.174.254]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0HBS00LSN0PP1B@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 30945 invoked from network); Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:00:59 +0000 Received: from celeron.peyto.ca (HELO celeron) (192.168.1.6) by homeserver.peyto.ca with SMTP; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:00:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:00:53 -0700 From: Samuel Chow Subject: Re: UNIX Mail help To: Joshua Lokken Cc: "Freebsd-Newbies@Freebsd. Org" Message-id: <002501c2eab8$3cfa3db0$0601a8c0@celeron> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4920.2300 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Joshua Lokken" > > [about DNS -- snip] > Ok, that makes sense. Would an internal caching nameserver still > be a good idea? I have a small site; 4 FreeBSD machines, one of > which is the gateway/router and one of which is the server, a test box > and a workstation, also a Sparcstation5/Solaris box. My needs are to > host my domain only (httpd, mail, mp3). Internal caching nameserver does not help with other people looking for the MX record for your domain. So, for this purpose, no, it does not help. > > You have your limitations on what you can do. For example, > > since you are on DHCP, you do not get mail once your IP > > is changed and your MX record hasn't been changed. Is > > that something you want? > > I understand the implications of this setup, however, my IP > hasn't changed once in 2 years. If it does, I have ddclient checking > periodically with ZoneEdit to update the IP. Will this still take > [up to] 72 hours to propagate, as with any name updates? That depends on your TTL for your domain. > > Another example is my reverse DNS does not always work, and > > guess what? I can't deliver mail to freebsd.org during > > those time. So what I do is to setup qmail with a static > > route with freebsd.org domain to go to my ISP. > > If you have time and energy, I'd be interested in knowing a little > more about that. How do you setup a static route for that situation? In qmail, there is this file /var/qmail/control/smtproutes specifies how mail destined for different domains are handled. I have 'freebsd.org:mail.myisp.com' in it to override MX lookup when mail is for freebsd.org. Instead, qmail forwards the mail to mail.myisp.com. > > Choices like that cannot be made until you understand what > > your limitations are and what your ISP can do. That's what > > I meant. > > To find meaningful answers to these ISP-related issues, who do > I contact? Any Joe Blow at the ISPs office? A specific department? > What questions do I need to ask? I know that I sometimes complicate > things more than they need to be in my own mind... I just meant it in a general sense. For example, if your SMTP port is firewalled by your ISP, then you have no chance of hosting your own mail. Once you understand the whole mail concept, then what your ISP is doing becomes apparent. At that time, you can make an informed decision as to how you can best utilize their infrastructure. --- Samuel Chow cyschow@shaw.ca Segmentation Fault (core dumped) This message is displayed using recycled electrons. 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2003 14:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BE443F85 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 305B851A64; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:59:26 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:59:26 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: Samuel Chow , Joshua Lokken Subject: Re: UNIX Mail help Message-ID: <20030315222926.GC92629@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <002501c2eab8$3cfa3db0$0601a8c0@celeron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="96YOpH+ONegL0A3E" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002501c2eab8$3cfa3db0$0601a8c0@celeron> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --96YOpH+ONegL0A3E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 14 March 2003 at 23:00:53 -0700, Samuel Chow wrote: > >> From: "Joshua Lokken" >> >> [about DNS -- snip] >> Ok, that makes sense. Would an internal caching nameserver still >> be a good idea? I have a small site; 4 FreeBSD machines, one of >> which is the gateway/router and one of which is the server, a test box >> and a workstation, also a Sparcstation5/Solaris box. My needs are to >> host my domain only (httpd, mail, mp3). > > Internal caching nameserver does not help with other > people looking for the MX record for your domain. So, for > this purpose, no, it does not help. I'd like to remind you people of the charter of this mailing list: FREEBSD-NEWBIES Newbies activities discussion We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere, including: independent learning and problem solving techniques, finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. Most people on this list are newbies, so it's not a good place to ask technical questions. This shouldn't be construed as criticism of Samuel's reply. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --96YOpH+ONegL0A3E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+c6lGIubykFB6QiMRAnX5AJ0TF6uIH5dh8W+Utrehy7Tn4+XdYACeI6NW 8vrhZ9OZ56+GHt3mvQXYf3s= =b78M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --96YOpH+ONegL0A3E-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message