From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 16 0:10: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BFA37B401; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.91.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859C343FA3; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E0A06AE487; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-02-23 - 2003-03-15 Message-Id: <20030316081001.E0A06AE487@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 7-Mar : scp tricks scp is great for copying stuff around http://freebsddiary.org/scp.php?2 6-Mar : Already scanned directory - mkisofs problems mkisofs wasn't taking everything given to it http://freebsddiary.org/already-scanned-directory.php?2 1-Mar : PostgreSQL - analyzing a query to improve speed Sometimes things aren't as fast as you want, initially. http://freebsddiary.org/postgresql-analyze.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 0:47: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DB437B404 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-0-50-ba-3f-e5-31.cpe.quickclic.net (dhcp-0-50-ba-3f-e5-31.cpe.quickclic.net [24.244.224.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E11F43F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:46:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mybq@rosprint.ru) From: Business-Research-Group To: Freebsd-newbies Reply-To: biznews@rusmail.ru Subject: Will a war against Iraq ruin the world economy? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030317084652.0E11F43F3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:46:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org
The Iraq crisis and its influence on the Russian and world economies

Your Opinion on the Crisis in Iraq
Ваше мнение о кризисе в Ираке
 
Do you think that a war on Iraq is inevitable?
Думаете ли вы, что война с Ираком неизбежна?
Yes
No
I don't know
Will the Russian economy benefit from an Iraq war?
Сможет ли получить Российская экономика выгоду от этой войны?
Yes
No
The war won't affect the Russian economy
What will be the effect of a war on the Russian economy?
Как повлияет война на российскую экономику?
Will the U.S. economy benefit from a war against Iraq?
Сможет ли экономика США получить выгоду от этой войны?
Yes
No
The war won't affect the U.S. economy
What will be the consequences of war against Iraq worldwide?
Какие последствия войны в Ираке ожидают мир?
What do you think is the real cause of the Iraq crisis?
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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 4: 3:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E32837B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from issv0171.isis.de (issv0171.isis.de [195.158.131.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67B1243F85 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:03:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlie@begeistert.org) Received: (qmail 25354 invoked by uid 1010); 17 Mar 2003 12:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wonderland.1047891566.fake) ([195.158.153.123]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.isis.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Mar 2003 12:03:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:05:04 +0100 From: Charlie Clark Message-Id: <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: Beam devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear list, I have a Sony PCG-GR114EK notebook and I'm trying to get FreeBSD to work on it with varying degrees of success. I've tried 4.6, 4.7 and 5.0 and I'll give the errors in that order. FreeBSD 4.6. This installs the best and I don't have any problems except when trying to run XFree86 (Version 4.2.0). I get an error message: (EE) Nor drivers available. I have a Radeon Mobility which should work as far as I know. When I setup XFree86 I couldn't find any ATI drivers but I have read that this is a known issue. I've tried using autoconfigure but the resulting configuration causes the laptop to freeze and I haven't found anything better than switching off the power in order to regain control :-/ I have tried all various setup routines including trying to use VESA. I know that VESA drivers work as the machine boots fine with VESA drivers for BeOS. FreeBSD 4.7. I can install 4.7 but I think I have the same XFree86 problems as with 4.6. However, the biggest problem seems to be with "umass" I get lots of "umass0: CBI reset failed, TIMEOUT" messages when I boot from the install CD and subsequently after installing. From another post it looks like umass has something to do with USB. Is there anything I can do to disable this? I've also had problems with ATA similar to those noted in 5.0 below. FreeBSD 5.0. I was hoping the most recent version would have the best hardware support. This may well be the case but I have a showstopper as I can't install from the CD. Either the install hangs on the Cardbus detection "cbb1: at device 5.1 on pci2 or if I do get further I get into setup, choose my options and sysinstall claims it can't find my CD/DVD. Just before that happens I get the message in the console that ata1-slave timeout waiting for interrupt, ata1-slave ATAPI can't identity failed - I can't get the following messages as it switches into sysinstall too quickly. Suggestions? Thanx for your help Charlie Clark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 5:24:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F7F37B404 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from server2.fastmail.fm (ny2.fastmail.fm [66.111.4.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8ED43FB1 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:24:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith_schmauss@mailbolt.com) Received: from server2.fastmail.fm (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474E1197C4; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1] helo=server2.fastmail.fm) by fastmail.fm with SMTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:24:46 -0500 Received: by server2.fastmail.fm (Postfix, from userid 99) id 42C5750ADC; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:24:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "Keith Schmauss" To: "Charlie Clark" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:24:46 -0700 X-Epoch: 1047907486 X-Sasl-enc: MmTgIyoCeG8J0RS8jtL77A Subject: Re: in regrade to yr Sony LPt References: <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> In-Reply-To: <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> Message-Id: <20030317132446.42C5750ADC@server2.fastmail.fm> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:05:04 +0100, "Charlie Clark" said: > Dear list, > > I have a Sony PCG-GR114EK notebook and I'm trying to get FreeBSD to work > on > it with varying degrees of success. I've tried 4.6, 4.7 and 5.0 and I'll > give the errors in that order. > > FreeBSD 4.6. > This installs the best and I don't have any problems except when trying > to > run XFree86 (Version 4.2.0). I get an error message: (EE) Nor drivers > available. I have a Radeon Mobility which should work as far as I know. > When I setup XFree86 I couldn't find any ATI drivers but I have read that > this is a known issue. I've tried using autoconfigure but the resulting > configuration causes the laptop to freeze and I haven't found anything > better than switching off the power in order to regain control :-/ I have > tried all various setup routines including trying to use VESA. I know > that > VESA drivers work as the machine boots fine with VESA drivers for BeOS. > > FreeBSD 4.7. > I can install 4.7 but I think I have the same XFree86 problems as with > 4.6. > However, the biggest problem seems to be with "umass" > I get lots of "umass0: CBI reset failed, TIMEOUT" messages when I boot > from > the install CD and subsequently after installing. From another post it > looks like umass has something to do with USB. Is there anything I can do > to disable this? I've also had problems with ATA similar to those noted > in > 5.0 below. > > FreeBSD 5.0. > I was hoping the most recent version would have the best hardware > support. > This may well be the case but I have a showstopper as I can't install > from > the CD. Either the install hangs on the Cardbus detection "cbb1: > PCI-CardBus Bridge> at device 5.1 on pci2 or if I do get further I get > into > setup, choose my options and sysinstall claims it can't find my CD/DVD. > Just before that happens I get the message in the console that ata1-slave > timeout waiting for interrupt, ata1-slave ATAPI can't identity failed - I > can't get the following messages as it switches into sysinstall too > quickly. > > Suggestions? Thanx for your help > > Charlie Clark > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > Sir, I found out some info relate to problem;;; please look at this web site it's not freebsd but linux,, and in some cases they nearly samess in function the web site is >>> http://dafe.de/vaio/ it chat are your laptop and some configure for your XFree86 setup hope this help Keith -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 5:40:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D3F37B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from neo.ydim.com (neo.ydim.com [207.7.58.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C0243F93 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ckline@rightcode.net) Received: from rightcode.net (68.46.31.95) by neo.ydim.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.1.4) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:40:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:40:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Hardware question From: Charles Kline To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0FEDFD1F-587E-11D7-B9DF-000393CDCA6A@rightcode.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am I right in understanding that FreeBSD will NOT run on any old (ex PC hardware)? For example. I have a Gateway PC that I have been running Win2k on. I hate it. I want it to be a linux server. Can I use this hardware to run FreeBSD or do I need to find an old Sparc? Thanks, Charles To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 6:15:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD29637B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from issv0171.isis.de (issv0171.isis.de [195.158.131.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9549243F85 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:15:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlie@begeistert.org) Received: (qmail 724 invoked by uid 1010); 17 Mar 2003 14:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wonderland.1047891566.fake) ([195.158.153.123]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.isis.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Mar 2003 14:15:39 -0000 Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:17:07 +0100 From: Charlie Clark In-Reply-To: <0FEDFD1F-587E-11D7-B9DF-000393CDCA6A@rightcode.net> Message-Id: <20030317151707.2091.12@wonderland.1047891566.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <0FEDFD1F-587E-11D7-B9DF-000393CDCA6A@rightcode.net> Subject: Re: Hardware question To: Charles Kline User-Agent: Beam devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-03-17 at 14:40:48 [+0100], Charles Kline wrote: > Am I right in understanding that FreeBSD will NOT run on any old (ex PC > hardware)? No you are wrong in this assumption. FreeBSD was written to run on PC hardware (386 and up). > For example. I have a Gateway PC that I have been running Win2k on. I > hate it. I want it to be a linux server. Can I use this hardware to run > FreeBSD or do I need to find an old Sparc? This should be perfect for FreeBSD. Charlie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 6:40:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A53B37B404 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from issv0171.isis.de (issv0171.isis.de [195.158.131.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 492D943F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:40:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlie@begeistert.org) Received: (qmail 9989 invoked by uid 1010); 17 Mar 2003 14:40:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wonderland.1047891566.fake) ([195.158.153.123]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.isis.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Mar 2003 14:40:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:41:56 +0100 From: Charlie Clark In-Reply-To: <20030317132446.42C5750ADC@server2.fastmail.fm> Message-Id: <20030317154156.2317.14@wonderland.1047891566.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> <20030317132446.42C5750ADC@server2.fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: in regrade to yr Sony LPt To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG User-Agent: Beam devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-03-17 at 14:24:46 [+0100], Keith Schmauss wrote: > Sir, I found out some info relate to problem;;; > > please look at this web site it's not freebsd but linux,, and in some > cases they nearly samess in function > the web site is >>> > http://dafe.de/vaio/ it chat are your laptop and some configure for your > XFree86 setup > hope this help Thanx for the tip. It won't work directly with that: doesn't like the mouse but I seem to be getting further. I get (EE) Generic Mouse: Protocol "ImPS/2" is not supported on this platform and (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse" Then Fatal Server Error: could not open default font 'fixed' and then X connection to 0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). xauth (argv):1 bad display name. Does that make any sense to anybody? 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FreeBSD works fine. As far as X goes... I used Mouse Systems as the mouse type and /dev/sysmouse as the protocol and it works fine. Hope that helps. --- Charlie Clark wrote: > > On 2003-03-17 at 14:24:46 [+0100], Keith Schmauss > wrote: > > Sir, I found out some info relate to problem;;; > > > > please look at this web site it's not freebsd but > linux,, and in some > > cases they nearly samess in function > > the web site is >>> > > http://dafe.de/vaio/ it chat are your laptop and > some configure for your > > XFree86 setup > > hope this help > > Thanx for the tip. It won't work directly with that: > doesn't like the mouse > but I seem to be getting further. > > I get (EE) Generic Mouse: Protocol "ImPS/2" is not > supported on this > platform > and (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic > Mouse" > > Then Fatal Server Error: > could not open default font 'fixed' > > and then > X connection to 0.0 broken (explicit kill or server > shutdown). > xauth (argv):1 bad display name. > > Does that make any sense to anybody? > > Charlie > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message ===== Look at all the pretty C shells! __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 10:21:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76E137B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DE043F93 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:21:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBW00M8POC918@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:12:59 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSW75ZC; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:14:27 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:21:29 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: Hardware question In-reply-to: <0FEDFD1F-587E-11D7-B9DF-000393CDCA6A@rightcode.net> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <200303171021.29471.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <0FEDFD1F-587E-11D7-B9DF-000393CDCA6A@rightcode.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday 17 March 2003 05:40 am, Charles Kline wrote: > For example. I have a Gateway PC that I have been running Win2k on. I > hate it. I want it to be a linux server. Can I use this hardware to > run FreeBSD or do I need to find an old Sparc? FreeBSD will run fine on old pc hardware. It even works great on new PC hardware. Running a Linux server off of FreeBSD will be more difficult, but it can be done. See to find out how. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 10:29:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362BD37B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:29:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs2416286-31.jam.rr.com (cs2416286-31.jam.rr.com [24.162.86.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 480B743F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:29:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ak.km.mr.center25@online.ptt.ru) From: «Учебный центр компании АКМР» To: Freebsd-newbies Reply-To: Good Man Subject: Oбyчeниe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030317182906.480B743F3F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:29:06 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Учебный центр

Учебный центр компании АКМР в рамках проекта "Открытый Корпоративный Университет" предлагает широкий спектр комплексных программ обучения.

В марте-апреле 2003 года приглашаем Вас посетить следующие программы обучения:

Для РУКОВОДИТЕЛЕЙ

2 апреля - Финансы для нефинансовых менеджеров.
15 апреля - Бюджетирование для руководителей в контуре управления предприятием.
16-17 апреля - Корпоративная культура как инструмент управления

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«Построение системы управленческого учета в компании»
28 марта 2003 года (10.00 – 18.30)
семинар-практикум

Необходимость постановки эффективной системы управленческого учета – это то, к чему неизбежно приходят компании, работающие на реальном рынке. Использование финансовой и бухгалтерской информации, анализ эффективности организационной структуры компании, разделение организации на центры финансовой ответственности и внедрение бюджетирования – позволят Вашей компании снизить затраты, эффективно распределить ответственность и, в конечном итоге увеличить прибыльность!

Ведущий: И.В. Абрамова – кандидат физ-мат. наук, консультант по вопросам управленческого учета и управления финансами, член Экспертно-консультативного совета по вопросам управленческого учета при Минэкономразвития РФ, эксперт проекта по разработке методических рекомендаций по внедрению управленческого учета на российских предприятиях (Минэкономразвития РФ, TACIS, KPMG, Фонд развития бухгалтерского учета)

Программа семинара:

1. Управленческий учет как интегрированная система для принятия эффективных управленческих решений.
Сравнение управленческого учета с финансовым. Взаимодействие управленческого и финансового учета. Определение подсистем управленческого учета. Использование бухгалтерской информации для целей управленческого учета.
2. Построение системы управления затратами. Проведение анализа затрат компании. Классификация затрат. Построение матрицы затрат. Основные методы снижения затрат.
3. Калькулирование себестоимости.
Калькулирование себестоимости. Методы распределения затрат. Позаказный, попередельный и попроцессный методы. Методы учета затрат и калькулирования. Система "стандарт-кост". Анализ отклонений. Модель калькулирования по переменным затратам (система "директ-костинг"). Определение маржинальной прибыли. 4. Принятие управленческих решений на основе анализа затрат.
Анализ "издержки-объем-прибыль" ("CVP анализ"). Проведение анализа чувствительности к изменению отдельных факторов деятельности компании. Понятие маржинального анализа. Принятие решений в типичных хозяйственных ситуациях.
5. Оптимизация организационной структуры компании в целях постановки системы управленческого учета.
Анализ эффективности функционирования орг. структуры компании. Оптимизация орг.структуры с целью оптимизации финансовых потоков. Разделение компании на объекты управления (центры финансовой ответственности). Сегментарная отчетность и критерии оценки центров ответственности.
6. Бюджетирование.
Бюджетирование в системе управления компанией. Принципы разработки структуры основного бюджета компании и отдельных его составляющих. Контроль за исполнением бюджетов. Практические аспекты бюджетирования.
7. Внедрение системы управленческого учета.
Этапы реализации проекта по внедрению системы управленческого учета. Методика внедрения системы управленческого учета. Что выигрывает компания, внедряя систему управленческого учета, основные проблемы внедрения.

Стоимость обучения: 150 у.е. (включая НДС). Предоставляется система скидок.

Финансы для нефинансовых менеджеров.
2 апреля 2003 г. с 10.00 - 18.30
семинар-практикум

Финансовые документы являются достоверными источниками комплексной информации для руководителя и основой для принятия эффективных управленческих решений. В связи с этим навыки финансового анализа и планирования приобретают на сегодняшний день первостепенное значение.
Семинар предназначен руководителям компаний, а также руководителям нефинансовых отделов и подразделений компании, нуждающихся в развитии навыков работы с основными финансовыми документами. Участники получат уникальную возможность отработать полученные знания и методики на практических примерах.

По окончании семинара участники:
- Смогут собрать информацию, необходимую для планирования и анализа деятельности своего подразделения.
- Определять статьи затрат и источники доходов своего отдела.
- Познакомятся с методикой бюджетирования
- Смогут использовать финансовую отчетность для принятия управленческих решений

Ведущий: О. А. Гаврилова. Преподаватель Академии народного хозяйства при Правительстве РФ, Экономической академии им. Плеханова - Курс «Финансы», проведение финансовых семинаров.
Более 10 лет опыта работы финансовым директором крупного холдинга. Многолетний опыт консалтинговой деятельности.

Программа семинара:

1. Что значит управлять финансами фирмы.
Финансы фирмы и решения, принимаемы при управлении финансами.
Основы теории управления: понятие управления, система управления, цели и функции управления.
Финансовый менеджмент с точки зрения управления, стратегические и тактические цели.
Целевые установки для подразделений в контексте общих целей фирмы.
Распределение полномочий структурных звеньев по управлению финансами.
2. Понимание финансовой отчетности: состав и содержание.
Финансовый и управленческий учет: отличия и взаимоотношения.
Состав и содержание финансовой отчетности (Балансовый отчет, Отчет о прибылях и убытках, Отчет о движении денежных средств).
Практическая задача: составление отчета о движении денежных средств конкретной фирмы/отдела.
3. Использование финансовой отчетности при принятии управленческих решений.
Методы анализа финансовой отчетности, финансовая диагностика и мониторинг состояния фирмы/отдела.
Принятие управленческих решений по повышению эффективности деятельности фирмы и ее подразделений.
Практическое задача: расчет и анализ финансовых показателей конкретной фирмы/отдела; выработка рекомендаций по улучшению ее финансового состояния и повышению эффективности деятельности.
4. Финансовое управление текущей деятельностью фирмы.
Управление оборотными средствами.
Понятие оборотных средств, критерии эффективности использования оборотных средств.
Длительность операционного и финансового цикла.
Практическая задача: расчет длительности финансового цикла конкретной фирмы/отдела. Методы управления дебиторской и кредиторской задолженностями, управления товарными запасами.Управление денежными потоками. Кассовый бюджет.
Практическая задача: составление кассового бюджета подразделения.
5. Управление затратами и постановка бюджетирования на фирме.
Цели учета и классификация затрат, анализ “затраты – объем - прибыль” в процессе принятия решения. Практическая задача: расчет точки безубыточности.
Методы распределение затрат и калькулирование себестоимости продукции.
Планирование прибыли в рамках фирмы и отдельных ее подразделений.
Бюджетирование в контуре управления финансами фирмы и подразделений.

Стоимость обучения: 150 у.е. (включая НДС). Предоставляется система скидок.

Бюджетирование для руководителей в контуре управления предприятием.
15 апреля 2003 г. с 10.00 - 18.30
семинар-практикум

Бюджетирование является эффективным инструментом стратегического управления, позволяющим руководителю, с одной стороны, оценить насколько успешно функционирует организация в целом, насколько ее развитие соответствует намеченной стратегии, а с другой стороны, насколько эффективно работает каждое подразделение или направление деятельности компании.
На основе этой информации руководитель получает возможность принимать обоснованные управленческие решения о распределении внутри компании средств, усилий и внимания.

Цель данного семинара помочь руководителям овладеть технологией организации процесса бюджетирования.

По окончании семинара слушатели получат:
- понимание места планирования и контроля в контуре управления предприятием;
- понимание содержания и функций бюджетирования;
- навыки составления бюджетов.
Ведущий: О. А. Гаврилова. Преподаватель Академии народного хозяйства при Правительстве РФ, Экономической академии им. Плеханова - Курс «Финансы», проведение финансовых семинаров.
Более 10 лет опыта работы финансовым директором крупного холдинга. Многолетний опыт консалтинговой деятельности.

Программа семинара:

1. Система управления предприятием на принципах бюджетирования.
Управление предприятием как процесс.
Основы теории управления: понятие управления, система управления, цели и функции управления.
Бюджетирование – современный инструмент управления предприятием. Обзор и тенденции.
Стратегическое и операционное планирование – составляющие бюджетного управления.
Формирование миссии и стратегических целей предприятия.
Формирование иерархической системы операционных целей и показателей, их связь со стратегическими целями. Разработки финансовой стратегии предприятия.
Процессный подход к финансовому планированию и контролю.
Практическая задача. Разработки стратегических целей, миссии и формирование системы операционных целей на примере конкретного предприятия.
2. Разработка и оценка вариантов финансового плана.
Анализ и управление затратами предприятия.
Расчет вариантов финансового плана на основе маржинальной прибыли.
Технология расчета безубыточного плана.
Практическая задача. Использование маржинального анализа для анализа вариантов финансового плана.
3. Методика и техника бюджетирования
Основные задачи и требования к системе бюджетирования.
Классификация бюджетов. Разработка структуры и порядок формирования бюджетов.
Практическая задача. Разработка бюджета торговой компании.
4. Бюджетный контроль и анализ исполнения бюджета
Концепция бюджетного контроля. Анализ исполнения бюджета.
Мониторинг исполнения бюджетов и процессов производственно-хозяйственной деятельности.
Практическая задача. Разработка процедуры план-факторного контроля.
5. Внедрение системы бюджетного управления на предприятии управление качеством процесса.
Бизнес-процессы финансового планирования и контроля.
Этапы и структура регламентов системы финансового планирования предприятия и контроля.
Мотивация персонала при осуществлении бюджетирования.
Разработка критериев эффективности действующей системы финансового планирования и контроля (показатели продукта и показатели процесса).
Система непрерывного совершенствования процесса финансового планирования и контроля.
Практическая задача. Разработка показателей качества процесса и продукта финансового планирования.

Стоимость обучения: 180 у.е. (включая НДС). Предоставляется система скидок.

Корпоративная культура как инструмент управления
16-17 апреля 2003 г. с 10.00-18.00
бизнес-тренинг

Этот тренинг поможет участникам проанализировать корпоративную культуру своей компании, выявить факторы, лежащие в ее основе и управлять ею в соответствии со стратегическими целями организации.

Участники этого тренинга узнают:
- как ненасильственно сформировать корпоративную культуру, включая в нее лучшее из того, что образовалось стихийно;
- как побудить сотрудников принять новые элементы корпоративной культуры;
- как сделать взаимодействие системы управления и корпоративной культуры компании максимально эффективным;
- механизмы формирования приверженности у сотрудников компании;
- как с помощью корпоративной культуры создать команду единомышленников, ведущих организацию к ее стратегическим целям.

Краткая программа тренинга:

1. Понятие корпоративной культуры и ее место в общей системе организации.
2. Диагностика существующей корпоративной культуры.
3. Создание концепции корпоративной культуры компании.
4. Корпоративная культура как инструмент внутреннего управления.
5. Адаптация корпоративной культуры к меняющимся условиям среды.
6. Внедрение новых элементов корпоративной культуры в компании.

Стоимость обучения: 300 у.е. (включая НДС). Предоставляется система скидок.

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 13:14:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA74D37B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from flint.asuneft.ru (flint.asuneft.ru [213.141.201.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E1843F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:14:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ISPotrepalov@asuneft.ru) Received: (from root@localhost) by flint.asuneft.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h2HLEGt08881 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org.AVP; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:14:16 +0500 (YEKT) (envelope-from ISPotrepalov@asuneft.ru) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:14:16 +0500 (YEKT) Message-Id: <200303172114.h2HLEGt08881@flint.asuneft.ru> From: ISPotrepalov@asuneft.ru To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: RECIPIENT ! Virus found in message to you ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=NEXT=AVPCHECK=2003=077=1047935656=8869=1=" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a MIME-encapsulated message --=NEXT=AVPCHECK=2003=077=1047935656=8869=1= Content-Type:text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding:koi8-r User ISPotrepalov@asuneft.ru sent to you mail with virus. ------------------------------------- AVP report: ------------------------------------- archive: Mail /html suspicion: Exploit.IFrame.FileDownload /yczde.pif ok. /head_02.jpg ok. ------------------------------------- This message redirect to anton@localhost.localdomain --=NEXT=AVPCHECK=2003=077=1047935656=8869=1= Content-Type: message/rfc822 --=NEXT=AVPCHECK=2003=077=1047935656=8869=1=-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 14:58:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE04B37B404 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D933743F85 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:58:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB36051A58; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:28:24 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:28:24 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Charlie Clark Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: List charter (was: no subject) Message-ID: <20030317225824.GA9422@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 17 March 2003 at 13:05:04 +0100, Charlie Clark wrote: > Dear list, > > I have a Sony PCG-GR114EK notebook and I'm trying to get FreeBSD to work on > it with varying degrees of success. I've tried 4.6, 4.7 and 5.0 and I'll > give the errors in that order. Sorry, this message is off topic on this mailing list. As I posted just a couple of days ago, the charter is: FREEBSD-NEWBIES Newbies activities discussion We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere, including: independent learning and problem solving techniques, finding and using resources and asking for help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. I know you've posted your message to FreeBSD-questions already, and you didn't get any answers, and taking it to the wrong list has got you answers. But I don't see you getting any useful answers here. If you can't get an answer after a repeat message to FreeBSD-questions, send in a bug report. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+dlMQIubykFB6QiMRAtP/AJ4i/LAeHIvZu4rw0dQlle8Dz5HQFwCeIg/G 335EWAalSy7tUrYaaLTQBXk= =qcRJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 20:25:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D7137B404 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net (scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D7E43F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:25:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stargate@cableone.net) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net ([10.116.0.124]) by scanmail4.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:24:15 -0700 Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124] by scanmail4.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AF6F4712010E; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:24:15 -0700 Received: from Tower (24-117-48-125.cpe.cableone.net [24.117.48.125]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:24:15 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c2ed06$5eb608d0$0200a8c0@Tower> From: "Brian Davis" To: References: <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> <20030317225824.GA9422@wantadilla.lemis.com> Subject: Email attachments Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:25:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SMTP-HELO: Tower X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: stargate@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-117-48-125.cpe.cableone.net [24.117.48.125] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a question. Most of the emails on this list display text in the message body, but some have a blank body. Instead, they have attachments which contain the message text and the sender's PGP signature. All of Greg Lehey's messages are like this. I confess to using Outlook Express as my MUA. Brian Davis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 17 20:32:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5B337B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pursued-with.net (adsl-66-125-9-242.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [66.125.9.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F8643F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net) Received: from pursued-with.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pursued-with.net (8.12.6/8.12.8) with SMTP id h2I4WARp029255; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net) Received: from 192.168.168.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user imap) by www.pursued-with.net with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3432.192.168.168.1.1047961930.squirrel@www.pursued-with.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:32:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Email attachments From: "Kevin Stevens" To: In-Reply-To: <004301c2ed06$5eb608d0$0200a8c0@Tower> References: <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> <20030317225824.GA9422@wantadilla.lemis.com> <004301c2ed06$5eb608d0$0200a8c0@Tower> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Cc: Reply-To: Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello, > > I have a question. Most of the emails on this list display > text in the message body, but some have a blank body. > Instead, they have attachments which contain the message > text and the sender's PGP signature. All of Greg Lehey's > messages are like this. So what is your question? KeS (Ok, ok - GUESSING what your question is; some mailers use MIME encoding for the body of the message, as well as for any attachments. Other mailers treat any MIME-encoded data as an attachment, even if it is text. Hope this helps.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 18 4: 5:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF0737B404 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 04:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net (scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD83843F93 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 04:05:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stargate@cableone.net) Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net ([10.116.0.124]) by scanmail4.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:04:32 -0700 Received: from scanmail4.cableone.net [24.116.0.124] by scanmail4.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AB4FB160100; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:04:31 -0700 Received: from Tower (24-117-48-125.cpe.cableone.net [24.117.48.125]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:04:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c2ed46$ab8551d0$0200a8c0@Tower> From: "Brian Davis" To: Subject: Re: Email attachments Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:05:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SMTP-HELO: Tower X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: stargate@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-117-48-125.cpe.cableone.net [24.117.48.125] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I have a question. Most of the emails on this list display > > text in the message body, but some have a blank body. > > Instead, they have attachments which contain the message > > text and the sender's PGP signature. All of Greg Lehey's > > messages are like this. > > So what is your question? > > KeS > > (Ok, ok - GUESSING what your question is; some mailers use MIME encoding > for the body of the message, as well as for any attachments. Other > mailers treat any MIME-encoded data as an attachment, even if it is text. > Hope this helps.) > When you shoot a MIME, do you use a silencer? Sorry. My question is, why would anyone intentionally send a message that requires others to open it with a text editor, especially since the message is in plain text anyway. As I mentioned in my original post, I use Outlook Express as my email client. Are there other MUAs that do a better job of displaying MIME-emcoded messages? Brian Davis > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 18 4: 8: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9E837B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 04:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from iota.root-servers.ch (iota.root-servers.ch [193.41.193.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A91243FB1 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 04:07:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 74813 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2003 12:07:56 -0000 Received: from dclient80-218-105-144.hispeed.ch (HELO gaxp1800.root.li) (80.218.105.144) by 0 with SMTP; 18 Mar 2003 12:07:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:10:27 +0100 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Educational Reply-To: gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <77225148078.20030318131027@buz.ch> To: "Brian Davis" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Email attachments In-Reply-To: <000e01c2ed46$ab8551d0$0200a8c0@Tower> References: <000e01c2ed46$ab8551d0$0200a8c0@Tower> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Brian, Tuesday, March 18, 2003, 1:05:29 PM, you wrote: > I mentioned in my original post, I use Outlook Express as > my email client. Are there other MUAs that do a better > job of displaying MIME-emcoded messages? www.thebat.net is probably THE client for Windows. Also virus resistant. If I were using Unix, I'd go with Evolution but that's just my preference. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 18 15:55:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D64F37B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325FD43F93 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:55:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BCCF51A64; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:25:51 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:25:51 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Brian Davis Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Email attachments Message-ID: <20030318235551.GB84879@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <000e01c2ed46$ab8551d0$0200a8c0@Tower> <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> <20030317225824.GA9422@wantadilla.lemis.com> <004301c2ed06$5eb608d0$0200a8c0@Tower> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IFrzt5yFNjsAZ17G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000e01c2ed46$ab8551d0$0200a8c0@Tower> <004301c2ed06$5eb608d0$0200a8c0@Tower> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --IFrzt5yFNjsAZ17G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 17 March 2003 at 22:25:12 -0600, Brian Davis wrote: > Hello, > > I have a question. Most of the emails on this list display > text in the message body, but some have a blank body. > Instead, they have attachments which contain the message > text and the sender's PGP signature. All of Greg Lehey's > messages are like this. Hmm, interesting. I hadn't noticed that. This appears to be the way PGP signing works. The first attachment is text/plain, and most MUAs show it by default, which is why I hadn't noticed it before. > I confess to using Outlook Express as my MUA. Another black mark for Outlook Express. I've just checked, and yes, Outlook Express just displays (fictive) names for the attachments. It won't even "open" (display) them until you tell it what kind of attachment it is, though the MIME type should tell it. "Real" Outlook doesn't have this problem, though it's difficult to use. Maybe I'm missing something there. [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Broken quoting. On Tuesday, 18 March 2003 at 6:05:29 -0600, Brian Davis wrote: >>> I have a question. Most of the emails on this list display >>> text in the message body, but some have a blank body. >>> Instead, they have attachments which contain the message >>> text and the sender's PGP signature. All of Greg Lehey's >>> messages are like this. >> >> So what is your question? >> >> (Ok, ok - GUESSING what your question is; some mailers use MIME >> encoding for the body of the message, as well as for any >> attachments. Other mailers treat any MIME-encoded data as an >> attachment, even if it is text. Hope this helps.) > > My question is, why would anyone intentionally send a message that > requires others to open it with a text editor, especially since the > message is in plain text anyway. Good question. That isn't necessary in this case, even with Outlook Express. Just tell it to "open" it. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. 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 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 19 4:17:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E99837B401 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.us2.messagingengine.com (ny2.fastmail.fm [66.111.4.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5069343F75 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:17:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith_schmauss@mailbolt.com) Received: from smtp.us2.messagingengine.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fastmail.fm (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08B04E17D; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1] helo=smtp.us2.messagingengine.com) by fastmail.fm with SMTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:17:10 -0500 Received: by smtp.us2.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id CB9C74E431; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:17:10 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "Keith Schmauss" To: "Charles Kline" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 05:17:10 -0700 X-Epoch: 1048076230 X-Sasl-enc: pWdG9jvCmEiLkl7lA1dakA Subject: Re: Hardware question References: <0FEDFD1F-587E-11D7-B9DF-000393CDCA6A@rightcode.net> In-Reply-To: <0FEDFD1F-587E-11D7-B9DF-000393CDCA6A@rightcode.net> Message-Id: <20030319121710.CB9C74E431@smtp.us2.messagingengine.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:40:48 -0500, "Charles Kline" said: > Am I right in understanding that FreeBSD will NOT run on any old (ex PC > hardware)? > > For example. I have a Gateway PC that I have been running Win2k on. I > hate it. I want it to be a linux server. Can I use this hardware to run > FreeBSD or do I need to find an old Sparc? > > Thanks, > Charles > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Hello in regrade to this question,, My present setup is old k5 266 64meg PC i386 kind...very GEneric put together from bits & pieces of other computer[s] found or salvage... I might say is works VERY Well!! Not to start a fire here, but Windows-me will not stay very stable on this machine,,the lock&reboot thing was getting old&boring fast w/ windows... my uptime?? geee days weeks nows, and running fine. Will your Gateway PC works?? mmmm first you should knows the whats and where in of what hardware that in this Gateway PC... Then check out the FreeBSD manual to see if your hardware is supports Mostly likely it it in the case of the Gateway PC, FReeBSD 4.7 RElease will works fine and handy,,,,as always more onboard memory will always help your Gateway PC run better :) Any Q?? ask me ... Keith >>>a question has more value than an answer,, it is in the question<< >>that you find wisdom and faith << -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. 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Steenbeek" Subject: Re: Hardware question To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Cc: ckline@rightcode.net Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net Message-id: <0HC0008INAOON0@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:40:48 -0500, "Charles Kline" > said: > > Am I right in understanding that FreeBSD will NOT run on any old (ex PC > > > hardware)? > > > > For example. I have a Gateway PC that I have been running Win2k on. I > > hate it. I want it to be a linux server. Can I use this hardware to run > > > FreeBSD or do I need to find an old Sparc? > > > > Thanks, > > Charles I use FreeBSD 4.7 with x-windows on an AMD 486 DX4 as my workstation (I have no better hardware at the moment). It runs fine, faster than Window$ 95 and more stable. FreeBSD should run on every PC with 8 Megs of memory and a 386-processor or up. You won't need to find an old Sparc :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 19 9:50:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D9437B401 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from issv0170.isis.de (issv0170.isis.de [195.158.131.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 647C943FB1 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:50:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlie@begeistert.org) Received: (qmail 20089 invoked by uid 1010); 19 Mar 2003 17:50:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wonderland.1048095440.fake) ([195.158.147.79]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.isis.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Mar 2003 17:50:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:51:56 +0100 From: Charlie Clark In-Reply-To: <20030318235551.GB84879@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-Id: <20030319185156.1266.2@wonderland.1048095440.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <000e01c2ed46$ab8551d0$0200a8c0@Tower> <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> <20030317225824.GA9422@wantadilla.lemis.com> <004301c2ed06$5eb608d0$0200a8c0@Tower> <20030318235551.GB84879@wantadilla.lemis.com> Subject: Re: Email attachments To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG User-Agent: Beam devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-03-19 at 00:55:51 [+0100], Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > Hmm, interesting. I hadn't noticed that. > > This appears to be the way PGP signing works. The first attachment is > text/plain, and most MUAs show it by default, which is why I hadn't > noticed it before. The MIME-type is actually application/pgp-signatue. So I see it as an attachment every time. Charlie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 19 15:14: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7B137B401 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE91643F75 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:14:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b127.otenet.gr [212.205.244.135]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JNDs5u006635; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:13:57 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2JNDs7Y001216; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:13:54 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2JN7Y48001007; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:07:34 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:07:34 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Charlie Clark Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Email attachments Message-ID: <20030319230734.GB725@gothmog.gr> References: <000e01c2ed46$ab8551d0$0200a8c0@Tower> <20030317130504.964.6@wonderland.1047891566.fake> <20030317225824.GA9422@wantadilla.lemis.com> <004301c2ed06$5eb608d0$0200a8c0@Tower> <20030318235551.GB84879@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030319185156.1266.2@wonderland.1048095440.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030319185156.1266.2@wonderland.1048095440.fake> X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (terpsi) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-03-19 18:51, Charlie Clark wrote: >On 2003-03-19 at 00:55:51 [+0100], Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> Hmm, interesting. I hadn't noticed that. >> >> This appears to be the way PGP signing works. The first attachment is >> text/plain, and most MUAs show it by default, which is why I hadn't >> noticed it before. > > The MIME-type is actually application/pgp-signatue. So I see it as an > attachment every time. The parts of Greg's message that you replied to above, as shown in Mutt's message view screen are: I 1 [text/plain, 7bit, us-ascii, 2.1K] I 2 [applica/pgp-signat, 7bit, 0.2K] So, there *is* an application/pgp-signature part, but it's the second. The first one, which is text/plain, contains the message text. For a while, I considered using `set pgp_create_traditional=yes' in my .muttrc, to avoid problems with broken mailers like Outlook Express. It quickly gets annoying to users who use better mailers :-/ - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 1:23:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2402D37B404 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.framfab.com (mail.framfab.com [217.73.2.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6779943FAF for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:23:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fredrick.nilsson@framfab.se) Received: from sestoex01.framfab.se (sestoex01.framfab.se [157.125.1.96]) by mail.framfab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7171F1DB for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:23:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by sestoex01.framfab.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:23:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: Fredrick Nilsson To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: root mount failed: 22 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:23:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.7 on a system with two SCSI-disks. The computer I'm using, is a HP Vectra XW 6/200 Pentium Pro 200x2, 256 Meg ram, Adaptec onboard 7880 SCSI. The two SCSI-disks is: Quantum XP34550S IBM DCAS-34330 This i what i get when the kernel boots: Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle Mounting root from ufs:/dev/md0c da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 20.000MB/S Transferes (20.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4341MB (8890760 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4341C) Root Mount Failed: 22 Manual root filesystem specianual input da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 20.000MB/S Transferes (20.000MHz, offset 15) da1: 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4134C) mountroot> What's the next step? .fredrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 7:29:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2C237B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from zebra.esosoft.net (zebra.esosoft.net [206.142.247.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E95143F3F for ; 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Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.framfab.com (mail.framfab.com [217.73.2.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD3043F3F for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:31:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fredrick.nilsson@framfab.se) Received: from sestoex01.framfab.se (sestoex01.framfab.se [157.125.1.96]) by mail.framfab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383A61F16B; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:31:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by sestoex01.framfab.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:31:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: Fredrick Nilsson To: "'xscd@xscd.com'" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: a Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:31:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org well... it is the newbie list after all ;) -----Original Message----- From: s d [mailto:xscd@xscd.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 16:26 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: a auth 789871bb subscribe freebsd-newbies xscd@xscd.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 8:24:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFDC37B40A for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F2F440E3 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bluezmo@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-143-124.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.143.124] helo=dmnlilrsp) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18w2lH-0001E2-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:19:23 -0800 From: "Bluezmo" To: Subject: Hmm Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:19:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been tussling with installing & implementing FreeBSD 5 on a laptop for about 2 weeks now. The initial install took 4 days (which I expected given I knew nothing about BSD) & I've whittled down the install time to approximately 45 minutes from a DOS partition. I reinstalled because not all my hardware functions. Yesterday my buddy who recommended I try BSD as an alternative to Linux came over & we attempted the install of BSD 4.7 because it was "stable". I had hoped that we would be able to configure a PCMCIA ethernet card on the front end of the install by checking the conflicts & punching in the ports & IQ's documented by Windows (laptop, dual booted). We tried using the FTP site but the card didn't function. I tried the same paradigm for the CD ROM with the same results. OK, rather than suffer the anticipated wrath of the BSD community by posting to an inappropriate area, I have several questions about this experience. I joined the newbie group because I am a newbie & will want to ask questions. I've read until my eyeballs are swimming with "inuxes" & am slightly frustrated because I simply want to learn the OS rather than search newsgroups for the appropriate forum. When I click the link http://www.freebsd.org/search.html , to search, a redirect shuttles me to a message that the link doesn't function. So, I'm posting here because my concerns are newbie concerns. Hopefully, someone will take the time to comment. 1) If I don't find specific hardware listed in the hardware list, does that mean the drivers aren't available period? People expound on the advantages of open source code being ultimately customizable. In short, if the drivers aren't available for a device, and the kernel can't be configured, what can be done (if anything) to get the device to function? 2) Given the scenario (and post discussion with other "inux" users) it has been suggested that I try Linux initially to get my feet wet in the "inux" environment. My buddy says to stick with BSD. In the endless documentation I've perused, mention was made of Open & Net BSD. My perception was that those flavors maybe better suited to my goals. Frankly I don't know & want to gather some feedback. So, if someone is out there & cares to perhaps elaborate, it would be appreciated. I have several computers, Windows & Macintosh & want to learn UNIX. Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 10:50:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229B737B405 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc3-stoc3-3-cust233.midd.cable.ntl.com (pc3-stoc3-3-cust233.midd.cable.ntl.com [80.6.252.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F25943FAF for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from center.company.17.14@micron.net) From: Учебный центр ООО «АКМР» To: Freebsd-newbies Reply-To: Good Man Subject: Oбyчeниe coтpyдникoв oтдeлa пpoдaж MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030320185004.9F25943FAF@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:50:04 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Учебный центр компании АКМР

Учебный центр компании АКМР в рамках проекта "Открытый Корпоративный Университет" предлагает широкий спектр комплексных программ обучения.

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Эффективная выставка
1-2 апреля 2003 г. с 10.00-18.00
бизнес-тренинг

Выставка – это визитная карточка компании, возможность показать себя с лучшей стороны, привлечь внимание клиентов, заявить о себе! Выставка является, прежде всего, имиджевой акцией. Профессиональное поведение стендистов на выставке способствует продвижению марки компании и укрепления позиций компании на рынке.

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По окончании обучения участники смогут:
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4. Подведение результатов выставки
5. Регуляция самочувствия во время выставочного дня.

Стоимость обучения: 270 у.е. (включая НДС).

Финансы для нефинансовых менеджеров.
2 апреля 2003 г. с 10.00 - 18.30
семинар-практикум

Финансовые документы являются достоверными источниками комплексной информации для руководителя и основой для принятия эффективных управленческих решений. В связи с этим навыки финансового анализа и планирования приобретают на сегодняшний день первостепенное значение.

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- Смогут использовать финансовую отчетность для принятия управленческих решений

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1. Что значит управлять финансами фирмы.
2. Понимание финансовой отчетности: состав и содержание.
3. Использование финансовой отчетности при принятии управленческих решений.
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5. Управление затратами и постановка бюджетирования на фирме.

Стоимость обучения: 150 у.е. (включая НДС).

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3-4 апреля 2003 г. с 10.00 - 18.00
бизнес-тренинг

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- Сделать выкладку товаров "говорящей" с покупателем. Создать в магазине атмосферу, побуждающую к покупке.
- Научить продавцов использовать все возможности по привлечению покупателя.
- Эффективно организовывать пространство торгового зала.
- Постоянно повышать уровень продаж за счет удобства расположения и хорошей видимости товара.
- Создать в торговом зале эффективную систему стимулирования импульсивных покупок.
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Краткая программа тренинга:
1. Что такое мерчандайзинг.
2. Основные правила мерчандайзинга
3. Планировка торговых площадей
4. Выкладка товара
5. Психология поведения покупателей в торговом зале.
6. Общение в процессе продажи
7. Специфика мерчандайзинга различных товарных групп.

Стоимость обучения: 270 у.е. (включая НДС).

Стратегия продаж. Работа с ключевыми клиентами.
7-8 апреля 2003 г. с 10.00 - 18.00
бизнес-тренинг

Ключевые клиенты являются опорой и гарантом процветания любой производственной или торговой компании.
Данная программа поможет участникам тренинга сформировать навыки эффективного планирования работы с ключевыми клиентами и разработать инструменты реализации сформированных планов.

Основными задачами данной программы являются:
- Формирование навыков планирования работы с ключевыми клиентами.
- Выработка процедур взаимодействия с ключевыми клиентами.
- Разработка системы сбора информации.
- Определение перечня основных мероприятий в работе с ключевыми клиентами.
- Систематизация критериев оценки результатов работы и основных показателей эффективности.

Краткая программа тренинга:
1. Роль ключевых клиентов в деятельности предприятия
2. Планирование работы с ключевыми клиентами
3. Информация о клиенте и ее использование в процессе планирования.
4. Долгосрочное планирование
5. Краткосрочное планирование

Стоимость обучения: 270 у.е. (включая НДС).

Продажи услуг
10-11 апреля 2003 г. с 10.00-18.00
бизнес-тренинг

Данная программа направлена на формирование маркетингового подхода к продаже услуг, на понимание того, как работает услуга, как выделить услуги своей компании из перенасыщенной потребительской среды, как повысить свою собственную эффективность при продаже услуг.

По окончании обучения участники смогут:
- Понять природу услуг и специфический характер их воздействия на клиента.
- Выработать эффективную стратегию удовлетворения целевого клиента.
- Научиться использовать характеристики имиджа компании для продвижения услуг.
- Освоить техники продаж услуг.
- Использовать свои личные и профессиональные качества, как инструменты продаж услуг.

Краткая программа тренинга:
1. Особенности услуг
2. Имидж компании – основа для успешного продвижения услуг
3. Управление ассортиментом услуг
4. Личность продавца услуг
5. Контакт с клиентом при продаже услуг
6. Управление процессом продажи услуг

Стоимость обучения: 270 у.е. (включая НДС).

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 11:48:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C351937B404 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nyogtha.unknownkadath.net (nyogtha.unknownkadath.net [209.153.153.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F4643F85 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:48:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asenchi@asenchi.com) Received: from [192.168.0.178] (ppc.tcimet.net [198.109.164.203]) by nyogtha.unknownkadath.net (8.12.8/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2KK2f5S069726; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:02:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Hmm From: Asenchi To: Bluezmo Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 20 Mar 2003 14:48:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1048189683.14124.24.camel@palea.attbi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I will attempt to help you. Some answers to your questions are below. On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 11:19, Bluezmo wrote: > I've been tussling with installing & implementing FreeBSD 5 on a laptop for > about 2 weeks now. The initial install took 4 days (which I expected given > I knew nothing about BSD) & I've whittled down the install time to > approximately 45 minutes from a DOS partition. I reinstalled because not > all my hardware functions. {snip} > 1) If I don't find specific hardware listed in the hardware list, does that > mean the drivers aren't available period? People expound on the advantages > of open source code being ultimately customizable. In short, if the drivers > aren't available for a device, and the kernel can't be configured, what can > be done (if anything) to get the device to function? It can mean that. However, occasionally you can find a driver that will work with a different piece of hardware. You will need to provide more information for the list (fbsd-newbies) to help. But there is a lot of help available here... > 2) Given the scenario (and post discussion with other "inux" users) it has > been suggested that I try Linux initially to get my feet wet in the "inux" > environment. My buddy says to stick with BSD. In the endless documentation > I've perused, mention was made of Open & Net BSD. My perception was that > those flavors maybe better suited to my goals. Frankly I don't know & want > to gather some feedback. There are some big differences in Linux and FreeBSD. Linux is just a kernel with software placed around it and the flavor changes with different distros. With FreeBSD the entire thing is an operating system. Everything is made to work together. The FreeBSD 5.0 you have is no different (in its initial package) than the one I have, where as Red Hat is a lot different than SUSE and so on. If you are just a casual user and want to learn a Unix, either FreeBSD or NetBSD is the way to go as OpenBSD is more directed at security and servers. (I am going to get in a lot of trouble for that, but it is mostly true.) It does depend on your goals though... > So, if someone is out there & cares to perhaps elaborate, it would be > appreciated. I have several computers, Windows & Macintosh & want to learn > UNIX. FreeBSD, in my opinion is the way to go. I use it as my primary computer os, and will never change. Amazing what you can do. Welcome. > Thanks Good Luck. Curt Micol To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 12:57: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1193837B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.65.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0E2043F75 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:56:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from silk_worm@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 31396 invoked by uid 0); 20 Mar 2003 20:56:55 -0000 Received: from pD9527B1B.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.0.6?) (217.82.123.27) by mail.gmx.net (mp009-rz3) with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 20:56:55 -0000 Subject: ImageMagick --> compilation problem 5.0 current --> port system From: Matthias Szupryczynski Reply-To: silk_worm@gmx.net To: freeBSD-newbies Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1048193797.633.45.camel@arwen.lindenstrasse> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 20 Mar 2003 21:56:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody, I guess it is my turn to ask some newbie question here ;) Asus L8400b Laptop, running FreeBSD 5.0 current. After fetching the port and world sources with cvsup, building and installing both world and kernel, I installed XFree86-4 and Gnome2 using the ports. Then I was trying to install Gnome2-fifth-toe using the ports, but the system was aborting while trying to compile ImageMagick-5.5.5 because of a missing link in an internal ImageMagick header file. I do not list the screen output here because I was able to bypass it by installing ImageMagick using the precompiled package with pkg_add -r. The reason for my posting is that I would like to understand how the system works. Being fairly new to FreeBSD, I thought that the source code distributed over the ports is supposed to be error prone since it is tested before commited to the ports tree. Or is that to be expected when I am running the current branch instead of stable ? And if errors like this one are to be expected, should I report them ? If so, to whom ? Thanks Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 15:57:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE67F37B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:57:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A98043FAF for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:57:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from silk_worm@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 10966 invoked by uid 0); 20 Mar 2003 23:57:52 -0000 Received: from pD9527B1B.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.0.6?) (217.82.123.27) by mail.gmx.net (mp019-rz3) with SMTP; 20 Mar 2003 23:57:52 -0000 Subject: Re: ImageMagick --> compilation problem 5.0 current --> port system From: Matthias Szupryczynski Reply-To: silk_worm@gmx.net To: freeBSD-newbies In-Reply-To: <1048193797.633.45.camel@arwen.lindenstrasse> References: <1048193797.633.45.camel@arwen.lindenstrasse> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1048204656.633.63.camel@arwen.lindenstrasse> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 21 Mar 2003 00:57:37 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 21:56, Matthias Szupryczynski wrote: > The reason for my posting is that I would like to understand how the > system works. Being fairly new to FreeBSD, I thought that the source > code distributed over the ports is supposed to be error prone since it > is tested before commited to the ports tree. Or is that to be expected > when I am running the current branch instead of stable ? All right, next time I will think before I write. Read a few pages in the handbook and the FAQ and understood the concept of stable and current. Sorry for bothering you guys ;) Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 16: 1:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C437737B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4992D43FBD for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:01:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([62.31.198.203]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:58:48 +0000 From: John Murphy To: "Bluezmo" Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hmm Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:58:48 +0000 Organization: poor Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk Message-ID: <0njk7v8tqbl7812t37qq4nsodqbrgmgs6t@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Bluezmo" wrote: >I've been tussling with installing & implementing FreeBSD 5 on a laptop = for >about 2 weeks now. The initial install took 4 days (which I expected = given >I knew nothing about BSD) & I've whittled down the install time to >approximately 45 minutes from a DOS partition. I reinstalled because = not >all my hardware functions. You've done well to persevere with a 5.0 install on a laptop, as your = first =46reeBSD experience. >Yesterday my buddy who recommended I try BSD as an alternative to Linux = came >over & we attempted the install of BSD 4.7 because it was "stable". I = had >hoped that we would be able to configure a PCMCIA ethernet card on the = front >end of the install by checking the conflicts & punching in the ports & = IQ's >documented by Windows (laptop, dual booted). We tried using the FTP = site >but the card didn't function. I tried the same paradigm for the CD ROM = with >the same results. 4.7 would be a better install for anyone who would consider themself a = newbie. The subscribers to FreeBSD-questions have more experience of the 4 = branch, so you would be more likely to get valid answers to technical questions. >OK, rather than suffer the anticipated wrath of the BSD community by = posting >to an inappropriate area, I have several questions about this = experience. Your fears are, IMHO, unfounded. Though you're wise to ask first, and = it's exactly the type of question that's on topic here. >I joined the newbie group because I am a newbie & will want to ask = questions. Great, but your technical questions should be asked on -questions. You probably won't get flamed even if your question is a FAQ or is well covered in the handbook; especially if you mention you're fairly new. >I've read until my eyeballs are swimming with "inuxes" & am slightly >frustrated because I simply want to learn the OS rather than search >newsgroups for the appropriate forum. When I click the link >http://www.freebsd.org/search.html , to search, a redirect shuttles me = to a >message that the link doesn't function. So, I'm posting here because my >concerns are newbie concerns. Hopefully, someone will take the time to >comment. That page is at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html Where is the link you clicked? You should inform the appropriate = webmaster if there's a broken link somewhere. I often use the amazing google machine to search FreeBSD questions = archive: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3Dlang_en&group=3Dmailing.free= bsd.questions >1) If I don't find specific hardware listed in the hardware list, does = that >mean the drivers aren't available period? People expound on the = advantages >of open source code being ultimately customizable. In short, if the = drivers >aren't available for a device, and the kernel can't be configured, what = can >be done (if anything) to get the device to function? I've heard rumours that some FreeBSD developers will work for hardware = almost ;) but it amazes me how much hardware is well supported. Perhaps the very = worst hardware is less likely to be of interest to the developers. Also, it = would depend on the "inux" friendliness of the manufacturer. But I'm a newbie,= so don't quote me. You'll get a better answer on -questions. >2) Given the scenario (and post discussion with other "inux" users) it = has >been suggested that I try Linux initially to get my feet wet in the = "inux" >environment. My buddy says to stick with BSD. I'd definitely go with your buddy. But it mostly depends what you're trying to achieve... >In the endless documentation I've perused, mention was made of Open & = Net BSD. >My perception was that those flavors maybe better suited to my goals. >Frankly I don't know & want to gather some feedback. Some say OpenBSD is the securest thing since Fort Knox, and others that = NetBSD will run on your toaster! The latter works well on some odd 486s I have, = where =46ree won't. Using NetBSD a little helps me appreciate the familiarity = of Free. Though some of the differences are interesting... I never thought I'd have _free_ access to such quality software. >So, if someone is out there & cares to perhaps elaborate, it would be >appreciated. I have several computers, Windows & Macintosh & want to = learn >UNIX. You will have a lot of fun. Can you run OS ten on that Mac? (Though you should perhaps not state the "UNIX" word so loudly. But = that, as they say, is another story.) Good luck. John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 16:23: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AD237B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F4C43F75 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HC2004QUP1XHS@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:13:55 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSW998Z; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:15:28 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:22:35 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: ImageMagick --> compilation problem 5.0 current --> port system In-reply-to: <1048204656.633.63.camel@arwen.lindenstrasse> To: silk_worm@gmx.net, freeBSD-newbies Message-id: <200303201622.35238.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <1048193797.633.45.camel@arwen.lindenstrasse> <1048204656.633.63.camel@arwen.lindenstrasse> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday 20 March 2003 03:57 pm, Matthias Szupryczynski wrote: > Sorry for bothering you guys ;) Keep bothering us. Please. That's what this forum is for. Your questions were not of a technical nature, and were allowable here. Questions about why things are the way they are, from a newbie's perspective, are okay. Questions on how to do specific things are not. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 18:52: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8697137B404 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:51:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from 24-205-75-24.gln-eres.charterpipeline.net (24-205-75-24.gln-eres.charterpipeline.net [24.205.75.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EC9043F75 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:51:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tech-auto@ncport.ru) From: tech-auto@ncport.ru To: Freebsd-newbies Reply-To: techauto@seznam.cz Subject: спецпредложение от компании ТехАвто о Продаже грузовой автотехники МАЗ, КАМАЗ, ЗИЛ, автобусов, спецтехники MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20030321025152.1EC9043F75@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:51:52 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org
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На а/т проводится предпродажная подготовка (включающая ТО-1000).
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 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 18:57:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758AA37B401 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-86.apple.com [17.250.248.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F350443F75 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from basilbourque@mac.com) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h2L2vWdg028179 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([216.254.22.197]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HC2W7V00.8CX for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:57:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:57:30 -0800 Subject: Re: Hmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) From: Basil Bourque To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <0njk7v8tqbl7812t37qq4nsodqbrgmgs6t@4ax.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 15:58 US/Pacific, John Murphy wrote: >> I have several computers, Windows & Macintosh & want to learn >> UNIX. > > You will have a lot of fun. Can you run OS ten on that Mac? Yes, as an old-time Mac user I can vouch that Mac OS X is a great way to dabble in Unix while still enjoying a usable computer. All the Unix stuff you learn on Mac OS X is directly applicable to BSD. And vice-versa, you can read about Unix stuff and try it out on your Mac. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ Tips: - Install Jaguar (Mac OS X 10.2.x), not 10.1.x. Jaguar had many tweaks and fixes for Unix and related network stuff. Upgrade to the latest 10.2.4. http://www.apple.com/macosx/ - Learn about Apple's Terminal program. The book publisher O'Reilly has some great online articles for learning the Terminal and other Mac-Unix stuff. http://macdevcenter.com/ http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/collections/unix.html - The shell used by default in Apple's Terminal is "tcsh", rather than the more common 'bash'. If you really want detail about tcsh, look at this O'Reilly book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tcsh - All the Unix stuff is built-in to Mac OS X, as is Java. You don't need to add any downloads except do all the suggested updates in Apple's "Software Update" system prefs panel. If you ever want compilers, Apple has a separate large "Developer Tools" download. --Basil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 20 20:51:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E506E37B405 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF7143F75 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:51:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from ovis.net (s11.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.78]) by ns1.ovis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65483B96; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:51:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E7A96B4.9263C3BB@ovis.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:36:05 +0000 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fredrick Nilsson , freebasd newbies Subject: Re: a References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giggle I have seen this done on hackers too. I usually point them in the right direction. Gotta start somewhere I guess. Have Fun, Sends Steve Fredrick Nilsson wrote: > well... it is the newbie list after all ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: s d [mailto:xscd@xscd.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 16:26 > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: a > > auth 789871bb subscribe freebsd-newbies xscd@xscd.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 21 2:27:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E1537B401 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub10.isdnet.net (mailhub10.isdnet.net [195.154.209.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F3C43F93 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:27:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anselme@netcourrier.com) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (ppp1076-cwdsl.fr.cw.net [62.210.116.53]) by mailhub10.isdnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA33920 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:27:19 +0100 (CET) Subject: dhcp and network interface From: Anselme To: FreeBSD-Newbies Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1048242305.253.11.camel@Toto.dippgw.homedns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 21 Mar 2003 11:25:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This can sound silly but I wonder how I can know if the network interface on my BSD4-7 use dhcp to get its IP or if it's "hard-written" (?) ? I know I can choose when I do a post-install configuration with /stand/sysinstall but if I only want to know, is there a simple command ? 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We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. 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Лайн 30 (федеральный номер)Вы платите 35$ на счету 42$
Лайн 100 (федеральный номер)Вы платите 36$ на счету 42$
Лайн 300 (федеральный номер)Вы платите 45$ на счету 54$

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