From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 23 0:10: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED8337B401; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.91.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBE243F85; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6D361AE3D9; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:10:00 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-03-02 - 2003-03-22 Message-Id: <20030323081000.6D361AE3D9@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 00:10:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 7-Mar : scp tricks scp is great for copying stuff around http://freebsddiary.org/scp.php?2 6-Mar : Already scanned directory - mkisofs problems mkisofs wasn't taking everything given to it http://freebsddiary.org/already-scanned-directory.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 23 12:47:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A166737B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail48.fg.online.no (mail48-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B0D43F93 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manavado@frisurf.no) Received: from tocom (ti100710a141-0201.dialup.online.no [130.67.32.201]) by mail48.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28666 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:47:09 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <007c01c2f1cc$52d35840$c9204382@tocom> From: "Lal Manavado" To: References: <20030314121550.J67648@welearn.com.au> Subject: Re: Hard words [was: Dictionary of Terms] Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:12:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In our considered by not humble opinion, , the example terms provided here should represent a part of the vocabulary of any speaker of English worth his salt. The whole issue, in our view, is inseparable from the fact that some people lack a sufficient command of English and that defficiency spills over to every field when such people try to understand the vocabulary of a new area. We propose that those who find unix terminology dense or obtuse, to take some pains to enhance their own fluency in that tongue in which the Bard spake so well, and we venture to wager that would improve their own perspicacity and perspicuity pertaining to many a thing, FreeBSD included. hth. L. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Blake To: David Chavarria Cc: FreeBSD Newbies Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Hard words [was: Dictionary of Terms] > On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 02:15:59PM -0600, David Chavarria wrote: > > I like the man pages and the handbook, but I was wondering if anyone knew > > of a dictionary that alphabetically listed FreeBSD/Unix terms? > > > > Or, is my best bet to just man a term I don't know when I come across it? > > Some of those words will have man pages, but for a while I've been > concerned about another group of words that newbies might struggle with. > > These are ordinary everyday words that have been adopted with a > specific relevance to unix which isn't always very clear despite > the familiarity of the word. Also it can be a bit hard to translate > from the word's everyday concept to the unix concept. > > Some other words are just plain English words, but not ones we all > use often. Some people would use or hear them in their work or study > while others would never encounter them. Ten years ago the average > computer user had a large vocabulary and was in the habit of growing > it daily, but that is no longer the case. If you're sweating over a > man page about some new complex thingy, the last thing you need is > to be diverted by a difficult word or concept along the way. > > Let me try to think of some examples... > recursive > precedence > canonical > dynamic > architecture > delimiting > collation > primaries > lexicographically > descend > string > precedence > hierarchy > default > operator > spool > traversal > pseudo > cooked > raw > affirmatively > escaped > superseded > interface > verbose > statically > contiguous > append > construct > implicit > adjacent > meta > truncated > indirection > operand > options > argument > parameter > reiteratively > asynchronous > > I bet you're all saying that some of those words are easy, but not > everyone would agree on which are the easy words. New unix users > might find it easier to ask "what does inode mean" ( = I'm new to > this unix stuff) than "what does implicit mean" ( = personally I > don't have a good vocabulary). > > Although all those words can be found in a dictionary, the dictionary > isn't going to help the task at hand very much. Most are not > likely to be found in a dictionary of computing because they're > regarded as ordinary English words. > > You might also encounter concepts which a basic unix book or course > should make clear, though they often don't spell it out in a way > that's easy to look up: > link to/from > mounted on > links are followed > indirected through > soft limit > null string > span filesystems > rooted in > referenced by > mutually exclusive > > > Have other people been stalled by words like those listed above, > or is it not such a big deal after all? > > This sort of problem is sometimes addressed in freebsd-questions, > where all FreeBSD help requests and answers should go. > > On the other hand, in freebsd-newbies we can look at this stuff > preemptively (yikes there's another word!) in order to help > each other navigate the documentation for themselves, and it's > not really a question about FreeBSD after all. > > If anyone has any ideas or resources that might help others to deal > with the general vocabulary, I'm sure your contribution would be > welcome. > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 23 13:12:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DBA37B401 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from issv0171.isis.de (issv0171.isis.de [195.158.131.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB81043FB1 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:12:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlie@begeistert.org) Received: (qmail 17118 invoked by uid 1010); 23 Mar 2003 21:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wonderland.1048452081.fake) ([195.158.148.170]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.isis.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Mar 2003 21:12:06 -0000 Cc: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FREEBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:13:48 +0100 From: Charlie Clark In-Reply-To: <007c01c2f1cc$52d35840$c9204382@tocom> Message-Id: <20030323221348.772.5@wonderland.1048452081.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <20030314121550.J67648@welearn.com.au> <007c01c2f1cc$52d35840$c9204382@tocom> Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) To: Lal Manavado User-Agent: Beam devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-03-24 at 07:12:10 [+0100], Lal Manavado wrote: > In our considered by not humble opinion, , the example terms provided > here should represent a part of the vocabulary of any speaker of English > worth his salt. And why should your opinion not be humble? Mine certainly is: the more I know the more I realise how little I know and I'm sure I'm misquoting someone there. The majority of computer users do not have English as their first language so it is unfair to expect extensive command of the English language. I'm a native speaker and even have a degree in English and I'd have trouble explaining all the terms that Sue listed. Indeed that even native speakers have trouble is evidenced in the following "pocket reference" from the University of Texas. http://thunderheart.pvc.maricopa.edu/help/ccrl20.html > The whole issue, in our view, is inseparable from the fact that some > people lack a sufficient command of English and that defficiency spills > over to every field when such people try to understand the vocabulary of > a new area. oh, really. "cat" is a small mammal generally kept as a house pet. "man" is definitely not a guide or a handbook. And by the way it's spelled/spelt (yes, both are correct) "deficiency". Jargon is a known problem in any specialised area. Words are often willingly hijacked, etymologically incorrect words are common and abbreviations are far too common. HTH. It is a fact that everybody has to start somewhere or were you born able to use the shell? Tbis list is for users who are new to FreeBSD wanting to start. > We propose that those who find unix terminology dense or obtuse, to take > some pains to enhance their own fluency in that tongue in which the Bard > spake so well, and we venture to wager that would improve their own > perspicacity and perspicuity pertaining to many a thing, FreeBSD included. By the "Bard", we assume you mean William Shakespeare, or was it Shakespare? His own spelling of the name was inconsistent so he's hardly a good author(ity) to cite - notice the shift in meaning there? Regards Charlie Clark PS. Even if you're mail was supposed to ironic, remember irony and sarcasm don't translate very well. PPS. Answers to this are probably best off-list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 24 2:16:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2499C37B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub7.isdnet.net (mailhub7.isdnet.net [195.154.209.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CFD43F3F for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:16:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anselme@netcourrier.com) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (ppp1234-cwdsl.fr.cw.net [62.210.116.211]) by mailhub7.isdnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13944; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:16:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: dhcp and network interface From: Anselme To: Benjamin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gro=DF?= , FreeBSD-Newbies In-Reply-To: <20030321115204.0243fe6f.benjamin@khlav-kalasch.de> References: <1048242305.253.11.camel@Toto.dippgw.homedns.org> <20030321115204.0243fe6f.benjamin@khlav-kalasch.de> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1048500845.251.46.camel@Toto.dippgw.homedns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 24 Mar 2003 11:14:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-25.9 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_XIMIAN autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > "ifconfig" gives you several info and let you do this changes by hand. type "man ifconfig" to see what it can do :) > Thank you for that ; However, I need one more precision : I've done : $ ifconfig vr0 inet 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 $ route add default 192.168.0.1 and I add those lines in /etc/rc.conf : #ifconfig_vr0="DHCP" ifconfig_vr0="inet 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0" defaultrouter="192.168.0.1" hostname="www.myserver.com" I didnot reboot the FreeBSD but it's in case ... My wondering is that when I do : $ ps -aux |grep dhc I get : root 69 0.0 0.1 940 328 ?? Is Thu08PM 0:00.01 /sbin/dhclient vr0 So, can I now safely do a kill 69 ? I doubt because man dhclient : (...)The DHCP protocol also provides a mechanism whereby a client can learn important details about the network to which it is attached, such as the location of a default router, the location of a name server, and so on. (...) Thanks for any information -- Anselme To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 24 2:22:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A48337B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from tentacle.sectorb.msk.ru (tentacle.s2s.msu.ru [193.232.119.109]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E357C43F93 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:22:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from epbox@yandex.ru) Received: from hq.sectorb.msk.ru (petaflop.lcm.msu.ru [193.232.113.220]) by tentacle.sectorb.msk.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CBB7CF9; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:22:43 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 192.168.17.99 (vlad.dorms.msu.ru [192.168.17.99]) by hq.sectorb.msk.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2N0mX408419; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:49:53 +0300 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:48:33 +0300 From: Vlad Kozin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Reply-To: Vlad Kozin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <40380186.20030323034833@yandex.ru> To: Anselme Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dhcp and network interface In-Reply-To: <1048242305.253.11.camel@Toto.dippgw.homedns.org> References: <1048242305.253.11.camel@Toto.dippgw.homedns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Anselme, Friday, March 21, 2003, 1:25:05 PM, you wrote: A> This can sound silly but I wonder how I can know if the network A> interface on my BSD4-7 use dhcp to get its IP or if it's "hard-written" A> (?) ? A> I know I can choose when I do a post-install configuration with A> /stand/sysinstall but if I only want to know, is there a simple command A> ? A> Thanks Take a look in your /etc/rc.conf for the string: ifconfig_youriface="DHCP" If there is one, then the DHCP service is ON & is probably used by default. Read the dhclient manual for more details & hints on using dhcp under FreeBSD: man 8 dhclient -- Best regards, Vlad mailto:epbox@yandex.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 24 6: 1:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F6737B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from plintus.lcm.msu.ru (plintus.lcm.msu.ru [193.232.113.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCF243F3F for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 06:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from epbox@yandex.ru) Received: from hq.sectorb.msk.ru (IDENT:root@petaflop.lcm.msu.ru [193.232.113.220]) by plintus.lcm.msu.ru (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h2OE1Mn13989; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:01:22 +0300 Received: from 192.168.17.99 (vlad.dorms.msu.ru [192.168.17.99]) by hq.sectorb.msk.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2OE1Gk31307; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:01:20 +0300 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:01:11 +0300 From: Vlad Kozin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Reply-To: Vlad Kozin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1816728455.20030324170111@yandex.ru> To: Anselme Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: dhcp and network interface In-Reply-To: <1048500845.251.46.camel@Toto.dippgw.homedns.org> References: <1048242305.253.11.camel@Toto.dippgw.homedns.org> <20030321115204.0243fe6f.benjamin@khlav-kalasch.de> <1048500845.251.46.camel@Toto.dippgw.homedns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-24.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Anselme, Monday, March 24, 2003, 1:14:05 PM, you wrote: >> "ifconfig" gives you several info and let you do this changes by hand. A> type "man ifconfig" to see what it can do :) >> A> However, I need one more precision : A> I've done : A> $ ifconfig vr0 inet 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0 A> $ route add default 192.168.0.1 A> and I add those lines in /etc/rc.conf : A> #ifconfig_vr0="DHCP" A> ifconfig_vr0="inet 192.168.0.11 netmask 255.255.255.0" A> defaultrouter="192.168.0.1" A> hostname="www.myserver.com" A> I didnot reboot the FreeBSD but it's in case ... A> My wondering is that when I do : A> $ ps -aux |grep dhc A> I get : A> root 69 0.0 0.1 940 328 ?? Is Thu08PM 0:00.01 /sbin/dhclient vr0 A> So, can I now safely do a kill 69 ? A> I doubt because man dhclient : A> (...)The DHCP A> protocol also provides a mechanism whereby a client can A> learn important details about the network to which it is A> attached, such as the location of a default router, the A> location of a name server, and so on. A> (...) After you've added those lines to your rc.conf and commented out the ="HDCP" line, you hopefully have your network addresses and gateways configured statically. Your system shouldn't listen the dhclient for network info anymore. I guess now you should check your /etc/resolv.conf for the correct nameservers entries (local network suffixes should be in this file as well). Make shure that the info in your resolv.conf is correct. Now hopefully you're done. By default dhclient overwrites resolv.conf each time it is used with the info it derives out of dhcp-server. >man resolv.conf for more info. -- Best regards, Vlad mailto:epbox@yandex.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 24 9: 7:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FEF37B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net (scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFEB43F85 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:07:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stargate@cableone.net) Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net ([10.116.0.121]) by scanmail1.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:02:47 -0700 Received: from scanmail1.cableone.net [24.116.0.121] by scanmail1.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AA3629E60116; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:02:46 -0700 Received: from Tower (24-116-56-6.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.56.6]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:02:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c2f227$cc405650$0200a8c0@Tower> From: "Brian Davis" To: Cc: References: <000e01c2ed46$ab8551d0$0200a8c0@Tower> <77225148078.20030318131027@buz.ch> Subject: Re: Email attachments Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:07:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SMTP-HELO: Tower X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: stargate@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-56-6.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.56.6] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.4 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I mentioned in my original post, I use Outlook Express as > > my email client. Are there other MUAs that do a better > > job of displaying MIME-emcoded messages? > > www.thebat.net is probably THE client for Windows. Also > virus resistant. > > If I were using Unix, I'd go with Evolution but that's just my > preference. > I downloaded the 30-day eval version of The Bat! last night. Message text displays properly with this MUA. Thanks to all for the assistance. Brian Davis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 24 13:43:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FDF37B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEEB43F3F for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net ([10.116.0.122]) by scanmail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:39:34 -0700 Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122] by scanmail2.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id AB1658E700C0; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:39:34 -0700 Received: from agnes (24-116-227-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.227.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:39:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:42:18 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: FBSD Newbies Subject: Digital Cameras Message-Id: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SMTP-HELO: agnes X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: lute@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-227-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.227.234] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I'm just wondering if anyone out there is using a digital camera with FBSD, and if so what ones seem to be working and which ones are making people bald and gray before their time. Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.0 RELEASE * ************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 24 16:10:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176B337B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from web40601.mail.yahoo.com (web40601.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8E2943FBD for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eduhuertas@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030325001012.80672.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.234.139.84] by web40601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:10:12 CST Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:10:12 -0600 (CST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Eduardo=20Huertas?= Subject: Re: Digital Cameras To: Lute Mullenix , FBSD Newbies In-Reply-To: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Lute Mullenix escribió: > Hi > > I'm just wondering if anyone out there is using a > digital camera with FBSD, and if so what ones seem > to be working and which ones are making people bald > and gray before their time. > > Lute > > ************************ > * Power Provided * > * by * > * FreeBSD 5.0 RELEASE * > ************************ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message Hi, I'm using an Olympus Camedia C-700 2MP Digital Camera w/ 10x Optical Zoom My FreeBSD 4.7 recongnize it with no problem, only have to be aware of partitions when mounting. 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Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 24 16:12: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E5D37B401 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from asimov.fdn.uq.edu.au (asimov.fdn.uq.edu.au [203.15.61.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F1443FB1 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:12:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uqafarru@fdn.uq.edu.au) Received: from ACE01 (staff23.fdn.uq.edu.au [203.15.61.152]) by asimov.fdn.uq.edu.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h2P0C18F071828 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:12:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from uqafarru@fdn.uq.edu.au) From: "Adam Farrugia" To: Subject: Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:11:09 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 0:45:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236D437B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.lphp.org (APastourelles-107-1-11-233.abo.wanadoo.fr [217.128.154.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BFC443F75 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) Received: from sta01 (sta01.lphp.org.local [192.168.0.4]) by mx1.lphp.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2P8jGIO019820; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:45:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) From: Antoine Jacoutot To: Lute Mullenix , FBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Digital Cameras Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:45:16 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday 24 March 2003 22:42, Lute Mullenix wrote: > Hi > I'm just wondering if anyone out there is using a digital camera with FBSD, > and if so what ones seem to be working and which ones are making people > bald and gray before their time. I unfortunately bought a digital camera that doesn't work with FreBSD (Canon XIUS 300). It is supposed to work with gPhoto2 but it doesn't (it segfaults all the time). Regards. Antoine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 0:58:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1252637B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from elmis.si (BSN-77-155-160.dsl.siol.net [193.77.155.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9F143F93 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matej@matnet.net) Received: from alpha (unknown [192.168.0.13]) by elmis.si (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CDB2ED1 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:00:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000701c2f2ad$66b9c5b0$0d00a8c0@alpha> From: "Matej" To: References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> Subject: Re: Digital Cameras Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:03:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.9 required=5.0 tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, what kernel modules are needed to get it working? I have Logitech QuickCam 4000 and I would be very glad also if I would be able to use it in FreeBSD. Also with which applications should it work? I don't use XFree, but would like to transmit webcam pictures around ;) With regards, Matej matej@matnet.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoine Jacoutot" To: "Lute Mullenix" ; "FBSD Newbies" Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:45 AM Subject: Re: Digital Cameras > On Monday 24 March 2003 22:42, Lute Mullenix wrote: > > Hi > > I'm just wondering if anyone out there is using a digital camera with FBSD, > > and if so what ones seem to be working and which ones are making people > > bald and gray before their time. > > I unfortunately bought a digital camera that doesn't work with FreBSD (Canon > XIUS 300). It is supposed to work with gPhoto2 but it doesn't (it segfaults > all the time). > > Regards. > > Antoine > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 1:14:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F05B37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from swissgeeks.com (adsl-212-101-16-119.solnet.ch [212.101.16.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5DDA43FB1 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:14:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pbrossin@swissgeeks.com) Received: (qmail 9149 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 09:14:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by server.swissgeeks.com (127.0.0.1) with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2003 09:14:15 -0000 Received: from 195.49.31.34 ( [195.49.31.34]) as user pbrossin@localhost by www.swissgeeks.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:14:14 +0100 Message-ID: <1048583654.3e801de6d19ec@www.swissgeeks.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:14:14 +0100 From: Pierrick Brossin To: Lute Mullenix Cc: FBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Digital Cameras References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 195.49.31.34 X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_IMP autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Lute Mullenix : > I'm just wondering if anyone out there is using a digital camera with FBSD, > and if so what ones seem to be working and which ones are making people bald > and gray before their time. I have a HP Photosmart 612 Camera working under 5.0. Cya -- Pierrick Brossin IT Swiss - QUARK Media House 6a Puits Godet, 2000 Neuchatel, Switzerland Mail Prof: pbrossin@quark.ch Mail Priv: admin@swissgeeks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 1:18:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A1637B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from swissgeeks.com (adsl-212-101-16-119.solnet.ch [212.101.16.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C8BA43F3F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pbrossin@swissgeeks.com) Received: (qmail 9346 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 09:18:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by server.swissgeeks.com (127.0.0.1) with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2003 09:18:13 -0000 Received: from 195.49.31.34 ( [195.49.31.34]) as user pbrossin@localhost by www.swissgeeks.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:18:12 +0100 Message-ID: <1048583892.3e801ed4da042@www.swissgeeks.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:18:12 +0100 From: Pierrick Brossin To: Antoine Jacoutot Cc: Lute Mullenix , FBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Digital Cameras References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> In-Reply-To: <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 195.49.31.34 X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_IMP autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Antoine Jacoutot : > I unfortunately bought a digital camera that doesn't work with FreBSD (Canon > > XIUS 300). It is supposed to work with gPhoto2 but it doesn't (it segfaults > all the time). Running 4.X or 5.0 ? -- Pierrick Brossin IT Swiss - QUARK Media House 6a Puits Godet, 2000 Neuchatel, Switzerland Mail Prof: pbrossin@quark.ch Mail Priv: admin@swissgeeks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 1:20:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A4A37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from swissgeeks.com (adsl-212-101-16-119.solnet.ch [212.101.16.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F58743F85 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pbrossin@swissgeeks.com) Received: (qmail 9521 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 09:20:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by server.swissgeeks.com (127.0.0.1) with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2003 09:20:31 -0000 Received: from 195.49.31.34 ( [195.49.31.34]) as user pbrossin@localhost by www.swissgeeks.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:20:31 +0100 Message-ID: <1048584031.3e801f5f0c248@www.swissgeeks.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:20:31 +0100 From: Pierrick Brossin To: Matej Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Digital Cameras References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> <000701c2f2ad$66b9c5b0$0d00a8c0@alpha> In-Reply-To: <000701c2f2ad$66b9c5b0$0d00a8c0@alpha> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 195.49.31.34 X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_IMP autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Matej : > what kernel modules are needed to get it working? I have Logitech QuickCam > 4000 and I would be very glad also if I would be able to use it in FreeBSD. > Also with which applications should it work? I don't use XFree, but would > like to transmit webcam pictures around ;) Well a camera is not a webcam to me. My mothertonghe is not english but I think I'm not wrong :) If webcams are supported (in 5.0 maybe but I hardly doubt it will) you can check the handbook or LINT (/usr/src/sys/i386/conf) to see what you have to do to make it work. Cya -- Pierrick Brossin IT Swiss - QUARK Media House 6a Puits Godet, 2000 Neuchatel, Switzerland Mail Prof: pbrossin@quark.ch Mail Priv: admin@swissgeeks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 1:27:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD3637B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from elmis.si (BSN-77-155-160.dsl.siol.net [193.77.155.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2FE643F85 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:27:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matej@matnet.net) Received: from alpha (unknown [192.168.0.13]) by elmis.si (Postfix) with SMTP id E6409ED4 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:29:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001b01c2f2b1$7936c180$0d00a8c0@alpha> From: "Matej" To: References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> <000701c2f2ad$66b9c5b0$0d00a8c0@alpha> <1048584031.3e801f5f0c248@www.swissgeeks.com> Subject: Re: Digital Cameras Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:32:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.9 required=5.0 tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just tried to connect a question to Digital Cameras question :) With regards, Matej ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierrick Brossin" To: "Matej" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Digital Cameras > Quoting Matej : > > > what kernel modules are needed to get it working? I have Logitech QuickCam > > 4000 and I would be very glad also if I would be able to use it in FreeBSD. > > Also with which applications should it work? I don't use XFree, but would > > like to transmit webcam pictures around ;) > > Well a camera is not a webcam to me. > My mothertonghe is not english but I think I'm not wrong :) > > If webcams are supported (in 5.0 maybe but I hardly doubt it will) you can check > the handbook or LINT (/usr/src/sys/i386/conf) to see what you have to do to make > it work. > > Cya > > -- > Pierrick Brossin > IT Swiss - QUARK Media House > 6a Puits Godet, 2000 Neuchatel, Switzerland > Mail Prof: pbrossin@quark.ch Mail Priv: admin@swissgeeks.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 1:34:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8605437B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.lphp.org (APastourelles-107-1-11-233.abo.wanadoo.fr [217.128.154.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E0F43FCB for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) Received: from sta01 (sta01.lphp.org.local [192.168.0.4]) by mx1.lphp.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2P9YkIO020370; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:34:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) From: Antoine Jacoutot To: Pierrick Brossin Subject: Re: Digital Cameras Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:34:46 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 Cc: Lute Mullenix , FBSD Newbies References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> <1048583892.3e801ed4da042@www.swissgeeks.com> In-Reply-To: <1048583892.3e801ed4da042@www.swissgeeks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303251034.46452.ajacoutot@lphp.org> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-21.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 25 March 2003 10:18, Pierrick Brossin wrote: > Quoting Antoine Jacoutot : > > I unfortunately bought a digital camera that doesn't work with FreBSD > > (Canon > > XIUS 300). It is supposed to work with gPhoto2 but it doesn't (it > > segfaults all the time). > Running 4.X or 5.0 ? Running 4.7-STABLE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 4:13:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CA137B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from swissgeeks.com (adsl-212-101-16-119.solnet.ch [212.101.16.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01C1643F3F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:13:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pbrossin@swissgeeks.com) Received: (qmail 15891 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 12:13:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by server.swissgeeks.com (127.0.0.1) with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2003 12:13:53 -0000 Received: from 195.49.31.34 ( [195.49.31.34]) as user pbrossin@localhost by www.swissgeeks.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:13:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1048594433.3e804801a1b0e@www.swissgeeks.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:13:53 +0100 From: Pierrick Brossin To: Antoine Jacoutot Cc: Lute Mullenix , FBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Digital Cameras References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> <1048583892.3e801ed4da042@www.swissgeeks.com> <200303251034.46452.ajacoutot@lphp.org> In-Reply-To: <200303251034.46452.ajacoutot@lphp.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.0 X-Originating-IP: 195.49.31.34 X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-16.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_IMP autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Antoine Jacoutot : > On Tuesday 25 March 2003 10:18, Pierrick Brossin wrote: > > Quoting Antoine Jacoutot : > > > I unfortunately bought a digital camera that doesn't work with FreBSD > > > (Canon > > > XIUS 300). It is supposed to work with gPhoto2 but it doesn't (it > > > segfaults all the time). > > Running 4.X or 5.0 ? > > Running 4.7-STABLE My camera didn't work on 4.7 but is working great on 5.0 :) -- Pierrick Brossin IT Swiss - QUARK Media House 6a Puits Godet, 2000 Neuchatel, Switzerland Mail Prof: pbrossin@quark.ch Mail Priv: admin@swissgeeks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 6:47:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768CC37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from samson.sentinelchicken.net (h-64-105-205-76.CMBRMAOR.covad.net [64.105.205.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C7B143FA3 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwm@numbuscus.sentinelchicken.net) Received: (qmail 95710 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 14:50:01 -0000 Received: from numbuscus.sentinelchicken.net (10.0.0.2) by samson.sentinelchicken.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 14:50:01 -0000 Received: (from jwm@localhost) by numbuscus.sentinelchicken.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2P9tEjq000581; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:55:14 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:55:14 +0000 From: Jason Morgan To: Antoine Jacoutot , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Digital Cameras Message-ID: <20030325095514.GA527@sentinelchicken.net> References: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200303250945.16364.ajacoutot@lphp.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-32.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 09:45:16AM +0100, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > On Monday 24 March 2003 22:42, Lute Mullenix wrote: > > Hi > > I'm just wondering if anyone out there is using a digital camera with FBSD, > > and if so what ones seem to be working and which ones are making people > > bald and gray before their time. > > I unfortunately bought a digital camera that doesn't work with FreBSD (Canon > XIUS 300). It is supposed to work with gPhoto2 but it doesn't (it segfaults > all the time). I have a Canon PowerShot S330/IXUS 330, it works beautifully in -CURRENT as well as 4.7/4.8. However, I could never get it to work with gphoto. Try gtkam in ports, it works great. Also, check your permissions on the device, I had trouble with that and could only access the device as root until I got them straightened out. Make sure your Camera is being recognized by FreeBSD as you plug it in. If it's not, usbd may not running and you may not have ohci or uhci compiled into your kernel. usbd should load the ohci/uhci kernel modules (at least that't what the 5.0 man page says). Hope that helps. Jason > > Regards. > > Antoine > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 7: 9:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD16337B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:09:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D0C43FA3 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:09:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bluezmo@earthlink.net) Received: from cpe-24-221-143-124.az.sprintbbd.net ([24.221.143.124] helo=dmnlilrsp) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18xq31-0005My-00 for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:09:07 -0800 From: "Bluezmo" To: Subject: RE: Hmm Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,MSGID_GOOD_EXCHANGE, ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_RFCI, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to all that kindly responded to my query. I've decided to install Linux rather than mess with BSD at the present time. I'm doing so because it appears that I may have a better chance of achieving an install with more devices functioning. However, I did want to thank you all because you did respond with some insightful suggestions. To the people that suggested I run OS X on my Mac I need to say that I already do & am aware of Darwin's presence. However, the superior GUI of the Macintosh distracts me from interacting with the command prompt. I will delve into the reading material suggested to learn more. Thanks to All, The Bluez -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Basil Bourque Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 7:58 PM To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 15:58 US/Pacific, John Murphy wrote: >> I have several computers, Windows & Macintosh & want to learn >> UNIX. > > You will have a lot of fun. Can you run OS ten on that Mac? Yes, as an old-time Mac user I can vouch that Mac OS X is a great way to dabble in Unix while still enjoying a usable computer. All the Unix stuff you learn on Mac OS X is directly applicable to BSD. And vice-versa, you can read about Unix stuff and try it out on your Mac. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ Tips: - Install Jaguar (Mac OS X 10.2.x), not 10.1.x. Jaguar had many tweaks and fixes for Unix and related network stuff. Upgrade to the latest 10.2.4. http://www.apple.com/macosx/ - Learn about Apple's Terminal program. The book publisher O'Reilly has some great online articles for learning the Terminal and other Mac-Unix stuff. http://macdevcenter.com/ http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/collections/unix.html - The shell used by default in Apple's Terminal is "tcsh", rather than the more common 'bash'. If you really want detail about tcsh, look at this O'Reilly book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tcsh - All the Unix stuff is built-in to Mac OS X, as is Java. You don't need to add any downloads except do all the suggested updates in Apple's "Software Update" system prefs panel. If you ever want compilers, Apple has a separate large "Developer Tools" download. --Basil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 8:20:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AC137B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailx.meridianksi.net (mailx.meridianksi.net [207.86.113.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFAD43FA3 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:20:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdewalt@meridianksi.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Digital Cameras Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:24:12 -0500 Message-ID: <586382797A07B841B4014F547581E0AF35C2@mailx.meridianksi.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Digital Cameras Thread-Index: AcLysESn61PiuQT9TiKxNr06jSzWjQAOaanw From: "Ryan Dewalt" To: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I personally have a Kodak DC-50, and A DC-3200, both use PCMCIA = flash(the DC50) and Compact Flash (the DC3200). I pop the cards into my = laptop's PCMCIA slot, and it shows up as "/dev/ad1" (unless I'm using a = certain brand card, which shows up as "/dev/ad8" I mount with (as root)"mount -t msdos /dev/ad1s1 /camera" and can = manipulate the files as if it was any other file system. (The DC50 uses = an unfortunately closed .KDC file format, I need wine and the windows = converter to convert into .jpg The DC3200 saves natively as jpegs.) = Copy the files over to the local computer, and process them as needed. My decision for getting the cameras was actually the ease of connection = to FreeBSD. (That, and I have quite a few compact flash cards, why get = a wholly different media format if I don't have to.) Any CF-using = camera should have the same ease. I -do- have a dinky USB pencam. I cannot get it to function reliably. = But, that's acceptable, it was a "returns bin" purchase, and of = useless-for-my-needs quality. -R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 8:25:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA5337B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.lphp.org (APastourelles-107-1-11-233.abo.wanadoo.fr [217.128.154.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07BA43FA3 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) Received: from srv01.lphp.org.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.lphp.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2PGPiIO023449; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:25:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by srv01.lphp.org.local (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2PGPb27023448; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:25:37 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: srv01.lphp.org.local: www set sender to ajacoutot@lphp.org using -f Received: from 62.147.141.246 ( [62.147.141.246]) as user ajacoutot@localhost by webmail.lphp.org with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:25:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1048609537.3e808301a8ccb@webmail.lphp.org> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:25:37 +0100 From: Antoine Jacoutot To: Jason Morgan Cc: "" Subject: Re: Digital Cameras MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 / FreeBSD-4.7 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT_IMP,X_AUTH_WARNING autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Selon Jason Morgan : > I have a Canon PowerShot S330/IXUS 330, it works beautifully in -CURRENT as > well > as 4.7/4.8. However, I could never get it to work with gphoto. Try gtkam in > ports, > it works great. I use gphoto2 with gtkam. > Also, check your permissions on the device, I had trouble with that and could > only access the device as root until I got them straightened out. I already tried that... > Make sure your Camera is being recognized by FreeBSD as you plug it in. If > it's > not, usbd may not running and you may not have ohci or uhci compiled into > your > kernel. usbd should load the ohci/uhci kernel modules (at least that't what > the > 5.0 man page says). It is recognized. I think the problem comes from gphoto2 under FreeBSD, obviously, one said there was a problem with different cameras. Antoine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 9:34:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165BA37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-87.apple.com [17.250.248.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7846043FBD for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:34:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h2PHYjXl009653 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([66.92.1.188]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HCBFHT00.Q2D; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:34:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:34:28 -0800 Subject: Re: Digital Cameras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: FBSD Newbies To: Lute Mullenix From: John Martinez In-Reply-To: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> Message-Id: <0777291A-5EE8-11D7-94DC-0003937C0B34@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-21.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, March 24, 2003, at 01:42 PM, Lute Mullenix wrote: > Hi > > I'm just wondering if anyone out there is using a digital camera with > FBSD, and if so what ones seem to be working and which ones are making > people bald and gray before their time. > Another question is, can FreeBSD read from a USB or Firewire Compact Flash (or other media) card readers? That may be your way to use FreeBSD for digital photography. I personally don't use FreeBSD in that way, but I do lots of digital photography. I never connect my camera directly to my computer, I just went and bought a Firewire CF card reader. It works faster. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 9:46:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D834137B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE8843F75 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:46:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h2PHktDU001250 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([66.92.1.188]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HCBG2700.70L; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:46:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:46:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Hmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: John Martinez , To: "Bluezmo" From: John Martinez In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-21.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, QUOTE_TWICE_1,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 07:09 AM, Bluezmo wrote: > > To the people that suggested I run OS X on my Mac I need to say that I > already do & am aware of Darwin's presence. However, the superior GUI > of > the Macintosh distracts me from interacting with the command prompt. > I will > delve into the reading material suggested to learn more. Huh? I have been using UNIX for like 14 years and have to say that Mac OS X has actually brought me "back in" to the BSD fold (I used SunOS when it was mostly BSD). I am now running FreeBSD on some x86 servers and I have any number of Terminals running in OS X all the time. I can attest that it is a fully-functional BSD shell. Anyway, I do agree that touching as many UNIX variants as you can is a good thing. Then, you can judge for yourself which one is your "favorite" flavor. I have touched tons of UNIX variants in my time. I have four favorites now three of which are BSD (one is FreeBSD, one is Mac OS X, the other is OpenBSD), and one being a commercial flavor from the major UNIX company left. Even though I do run Linux, I can't say that it is one of my favorites. All I have to say is that I haven't had this much fun with UNIX in a long time. Good luck. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 10:29: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B616937B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B722B43FB1 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:29:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HCB00EANI0161@thor.acuson.com> for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:19:51 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSXBJ2X; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:21:25 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:28:45 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: Hmm In-reply-to: To: Bluezmo , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <200303251028.45614.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 25 March 2003 07:09 am, Bluezmo wrote: > Thanks to all that kindly responded to my query. I've decided to > install Linux rather than mess with BSD at the present time. I'm > doing so because it appears that I may have a better chance of > achieving an install with more devices functioning. However, I did > want to thank you all because you did respond with some insightful > suggestions. It's not an either-or choice. FreeBSD is free as well. It won't cost you anything but time to try it out, same as Linux. So when you mess up your Linux install (a rite of passage), give FreeBSD a whirl for a while as well. David p.s. To keep from going insane under Linux, I would suggest Slackware. It has a bit steeper learning curve, but has no "differentiators" to distract you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 10:50:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4438937B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from pursued-with.net (adsl-66-125-9-242.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [66.125.9.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A55743FB1 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:50:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net) Received: from babelfish (babelfish [192.168.168.42]) by pursued-with.net (8.12.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PIocs8060087; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:50:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:50:38 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Stevens Reply-To: Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net To: John Martinez Cc: Bluezmo , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030325104018.T60034@babelfish.pursued-with.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, QUOTE_TWICE_1,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, John Martinez wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 07:09 AM, Bluezmo wrote: > > > > > To the people that suggested I run OS X on my Mac I need to say that I > > already do & am aware of Darwin's presence. However, the superior GUI > > of the Macintosh distracts me from interacting with the command prompt. > > I will delve into the reading material suggested to learn more. > > Huh? I have been using UNIX for like 14 years and have to say that Mac > OS X has actually brought me "back in" to the BSD fold (I used SunOS > when it was mostly BSD). You can enter ">console" with no password into the login requestor of any OS X machine and be dropped to a GUI-less login prompt. > Anyway, I do agree that touching as many UNIX variants as you can is a > good thing. Then, you can judge for yourself which one is your > "favorite" flavor. I have touched tons of UNIX variants in my time. I > have four favorites now three of which are BSD (one is FreeBSD, one is > Mac OS X, the other is OpenBSD), and one being a commercial flavor from > the major UNIX company left. Even though I do run Linux, I can't say > that it is one of my favorites. I converted my server from Solaris 8 to FreeBSD last year (ob: FreeBSD reference) *specifically* to improve mindshare with OS X. (I don't think Darwin/x86 is far enough along for my comfort level). I do use Linux on x86 laptops for the better hardware support. KeS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 10:55:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD1B37B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:55:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay-2.adobe.com (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0EB843FA3 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:55:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (inner-relay-1 [153.32.1.51]) by smtp-relay-2.adobe.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2PItZcO001983 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (mailsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.192]) by inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2PItUVf025301 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mac.com ([153.32.129.125]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 v1 Jul 11 2001 16:32:57) with ESMTP id HCBJ8H00.PPS; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:55:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3E80A621.3050806@mac.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:55:29 -0800 From: John Martinez User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hmm References: <20030325104018.T60034@babelfish.pursued-with.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-15.6 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kevin Stevens wrote: ... > > I converted my server from Solaris 8 to FreeBSD last year (ob: FreeBSD > reference) *specifically* to improve mindshare with OS X. (I don't think > Darwin/x86 is far enough along for my comfort level). I do use Linux on > x86 laptops for the better hardware support. That's the main reason I converted some of my Solaris machines as well. It's amazing how well some FreeBSD apps port over to OS X directly from the source tree (ok, it takes a little tweaking). As far as laptops, I went and bought a 12" PowerBook to get me a better portable UNIX environment. ;-) -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 25 18:26:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E233937B401 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B75043F3F for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:26:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8067EFD92; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from speck.techno.pagans (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with SMTP id AD122A911; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:26:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:07:24 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim To: "Ryan Dewalt" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Digital Cameras Message-Id: <20030325180724.10f8010f.dmp@pantherdragon.org> In-Reply-To: <586382797A07B841B4014F547581E0AF35C2@mailx.meridianksi.net> References: <586382797A07B841B4014F547581E0AF35C2@mailx.meridianksi.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-22.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Ryan Dewalt" wrote: > I personally have a Kodak DC-50 <...> > The DC50 uses an unfortunately closed .KDC file format, I need wine and the > windows converter to convert into .jpg Have you looked at the graphics/kdc2tiff port? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 26 06:41:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C97637B405 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailx.meridianksi.net (mailx.meridianksi.net [207.86.113.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C68543F85 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2003 06:41:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdewalt@meridianksi.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:45:10 -0500 Message-ID: <586382797A07B841B4014F547581E0AF35C7@mailx.meridianksi.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Digital Cameras Thread-Index: AcLzP6D0eHm2fCvcRcuFd1oMHA91iAAZb2rQ From: "Ryan Dewalt" To: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: RE: Digital Cameras X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:41:54 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Darren Pilgrim [mailto:dmp@pantherdragon.org] "Ryan Dewalt" wrote: > I personally have a Kodak DC-50 <...> > The DC50 uses an unfortunately closed .KDC file format, I need wine = and the > windows converter to convert into .jpg Have you looked at the graphics/kdc2tiff port? ----- Yeah, I looked into that one. That's for the DC-120 which uses a = different=20 "proprietary compressor" than the DC-50 and DC-40. About two years ago, I contacted Kodak, in reference to getting the = specifications=20 of this file format so I could write a converter myself. I based my = letter on the fact that the DC50 line was no longer being sold, or supported by Kodak, = and all=20 their current hardware writes to jpeg format files. That also I was = just one of=20 many people who still faithfully used it. (Not as often, the CCD is = getting "old" and the color is not as good as it used to be.) However, = all I got was a few e-mails that ended in "We'll look into it." -Ryan From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 27 10:36:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9543A37B401 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7689943F3F for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:36:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ycES-0001Ql-00; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:36:08 +0100 Received: from [80.133.98.67] (helo=moritz.alleswirdgruener) (TLSv1:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18ycES-00011U-00; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:36:09 +0100 Received: from moritz.alleswirdgruener (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h2RIVJfx001685; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:31:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost)h2RIVBRu001682; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:31:18 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: moritz.alleswirdgruener: uzs106 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:31:11 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@localhost To: Lute Mullenix In-Reply-To: <20030324154218.2a86976a.lute@cableone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,IN_REP_TO,RCVD_IN_NJABL,USER_AGENT_PINE, X_AUTH_WARNING,X_NJABL_DIALUP autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) cc: FBSD Newbies Subject: Re: Digital Cameras X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:36:59 -0000 > I'm just wondering if anyone out there is using a digital camera with FBSD, and if so what ones seem to be working and which ones are making people bald and gray before their time. Havent got my Epson PC 3000 to work directlky connected to the USB port of the computer, neither in Windows nor in FreeBSD, seems to be a hardware problem, and the flash card reader that I unhappily bought makes FreeBSD crash, it has a GENESYS chip... So, if somebody knows a flashcard reader that works with 4.7 or 5 ;-) Thanks, H. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 27 15:07:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D58837B401 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out016.verizon.net (out016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B501B44015 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from res0n16n@verizon.net) Received: from neserver4 ([4.65.225.75]) by out016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030327230714.YJRI16026.out016.verizon.net@neserver4> for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:07:14 -0600 Message-ID: <056401c2f4b5$826c9fd0$0300a8c0@neserver4> From: "Dr. Noah M. Hastings" To: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:06:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Can't get X to start? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Dr. Noah M. Hastings" List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:07:16 -0000 I can't seem to get the windows to start, the system is asking me to do = an fsck my drives, it also states do a manual fsck? Please help. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 27 17:00:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7600137B407 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E7943F85 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDB7651A71; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:30:00 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:30:00 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Dr. Noah M. Hastings" Message-ID: <20030328010000.GD72254@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <056401c2f4b5$826c9fd0$0300a8c0@neserver4> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <056401c2f4b5$826c9fd0$0300a8c0@neserver4> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-38.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't get X to start? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:00:08 -0000 --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, 27 March 2003 at 15:06:32 -0800, Dr. Noah M. Hastings wrote: > I can't seem to get the windows to start, the system is asking me to > do an fsck my drives, it also states do a manual fsck? Please help. I'd suggest: 1. Do what the computer says and do a manual fsck. 2. Choose the correct mailing list. That's FreeBSD-questions, not FreeBSD-newbies. 3. Read http://www.lemis.com/questions.html for help in formulating questions. 4. Send a message describing your problem. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+g56QIubykFB6QiMRAkFBAJwJ6di6JSY5s5inKc4AQie22+dLMwCfWs/3 SQxcGxb9hay9M3mfvbT9qK0= =yKqd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 03:35:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA0A37B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:35:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from klang.mine.nu (198.124.203.62.dial.bluewin.ch [62.203.124.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE6F43FA3 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:35:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mu@klang.mine.nu) Received: from klang.mine.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by klang.mine.nu (8.12.8/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2SBZAi9000726 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:35:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mu@klang.mine.nu) Received: (from mu@localhost) by klang.mine.nu (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2SBZAMd000725 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:35:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:35:09 +0100 From: Lars To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030328113509.GA693@gmx.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: FreeBSD installation and config experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:35:20 -0000 Hi all, I want to share some experiences I've had buying, reading about, installing and configuring FreeBSD 4.7. I am, not for much longer though, a W2k user. I mainly use my home pc for games, dvd viewing and ripping and mp3 encoding and listening. So nothing serious on that side. Three months ago I bought FBSD 4.7 from bsdmall.com and the book "Absolute BSD" in my local bookshop (which, fortunately enough, has a well selected O'Reilly/UNIX section). 2.5 months later Two weeks ago I bought a new HDD and after a lot of reading of the FreeBSD handbook on freebsd.org, Absolute BSD and other sites and mailing lists I actually installed FreeBSD 4.7. My hardware: P4 2.4 GHz 512 1066 RAM 3*120GB HDD Samsung NV GF4 Ti 4200 Hercules FortissimoII soundcard Logitech MX300 optical mouse (USB) 3com 905TX NIC EIZO L565 TFT monitor connected per DVI System is behind a DSL router with dynamic domain name auto-update functionality. I began the installation with the "Standard with X software suite". After the surprisingly fast installation, basic network configuration and creation of a user, I rebooted and the system started up nicely. After unsuccessful DNS resolution and some subsequent reading I edited the resolv.conf file and tested name resolution by using lynx -worked. Following the foolproof instructions in Abolute BSD and the online docs I upgraded my system to 4.8. Email: Now that was a tricky one ;-) 1. configure mutt -3h; 2. configure sendmail -6h; 3. configure fetchmail -3h; 4. set my hostname to the my dynamic domain name => email works. XFree86: Several unsuccessful configuration attempts at getting a nice GUI. Replaced the DVI cable with an analogue one -GUI works; ask in forum why -"use Nvidia driver!"; download driver; consult Absolute BSD and onlamp.com for multimedia kernel options -compile new kernel -sound works ;-); install nvidia driver and plugin DVI cable -X works per DVI too -nice. consult google and freebsd.org; install wrapper -$user can startx; next tasks: -enable mp3 playback from kde or cli; -enable DVD playback and ripping; -setup additional PCs as fileservers and web presence; Time spent configuring other stuff in FreeBSD, learning about UNIX, vi, fetchmail, mutt, sendmail, XFree and other more general stuff like SMTP and DNS, approximately 20h. Being something like a "poweruser", whatever that means, on my W2k system and supporting w2k at work, I thought I had some clue about IT, protocols and other principles of networking. I was wrong. In fact I learned a lot more in the 35h of mucking around on my machine than in a few months of supporting w2k! At times rather frustrating, setting up my little box has been an extremely rewarding experience. The community is very supportive and if you manage to formulate your question in a halfway informative and intelligent way the answers come in quick. I've still got a long way to go and am not allowed to be tempted by my nice windowsmanager, but I'm confident it's the right way to go. So to all newbies out there: DO NOT GIVE UP! RTFM and maybe buy a book on FreeBSD. You'll learn a lot more about the information _technology_ using FreeBSD than you'll ever do using a MS product. Use "good" hardware (not some Winmodem or other cheapa.. crap); use a dedicated HDD; get a good book or two (e.g. Absolute BSD by Michael Lucas and UNIX Power Tools from O'Reilly); use the command line; then use a windowmanager (windowSmanager?); try using ONLY FreeBSD to force yourself to immerse yourself and make an effort configuring the system; use RCS to track changes you made; write down what you did in a notebook; check freebsd.org, onlamp.com, bsdforums.com periodically and try to emulate the examples, especially the BSD articles on onlamp.com. Ok, that's it. Thanks for your time. Kind regards, Lars. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 10:35:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBAE37B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from deimos.frii.net (deimos.frii.com [216.17.128.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8768443FAF for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:35:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tpconnolly@frii.com) Received: from tconnolly (g8denver.org [207.109.48.8] (may be forged)) by deimos.frii.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2SIZU0e062984; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:35:31 -0700 (MST) From: "Thomas Connolly" To: "'Lars'" , Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:35:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c2f558$cff348f0$5608a8c0@ceesi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20030328113509.GA693@gmx.at> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: RE: FreeBSD installation and config experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:35:34 -0000 Good Information Lars! Thanks. Thomas P. Connolly Senior Development Engineer Colorado Engineering Experiment Station Inc. Phone: (970) 897-2711 Fax: (970) 897-2710 Email: tconnolly@ceesi.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Lars Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:35 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD installation and config experience Hi all, I want to share some experiences I've had buying, reading about, installing and configuring FreeBSD 4.7. I am, not for much longer though, a W2k user. I mainly use my home pc for games, dvd viewing and ripping and mp3 = encoding and listening. So nothing serious on that side. Three months ago I bought FBSD 4.7 from bsdmall.com and the book = "Absolute BSD" in my local bookshop (which, fortunately enough, has a well selected O'Reilly/UNIX section). 2.5 months later Two weeks ago I bought a new HDD and after a lot of reading of the = FreeBSD handbook=20 on freebsd.org, Absolute BSD and other sites and mailing lists I = actually installed FreeBSD 4.7. My hardware: P4 2.4 GHz 512 1066 RAM 3*120GB HDD Samsung=20 NV GF4 Ti 4200 Hercules FortissimoII soundcard Logitech MX300 optical mouse (USB) 3com 905TX NIC EIZO L565 TFT monitor connected per DVI System is behind a DSL router with dynamic domain name auto-update functionality. I began the installation with the "Standard with X software suite". After the surprisingly fast installation, basic network configuration = and creation of a user, I rebooted and the system started up nicely. After unsuccessful DNS resolution and some subsequent reading I edited = the resolv.conf file and=20 tested name resolution by using lynx -worked. Following the foolproof instructions in Abolute BSD and the online docs=20 I upgraded my system to 4.8. Email: Now that was a tricky one ;-) 1. configure mutt -3h; 2. configure sendmail -6h; 3. configure fetchmail -3h; 4. set my hostname to the my dynamic domain name =3D> email works. XFree86: Several unsuccessful configuration attempts at getting a nice GUI. Replaced the DVI cable with an analogue one -GUI works; ask in forum why -"use Nvidia driver!"; download driver; consult Absolute BSD and onlamp.com for multimedia kernel options -compile new kernel -sound works ;-); install nvidia driver and plugin DVI cable -X works per DVI too -nice. consult google and freebsd.org; install wrapper -$user can startx; next tasks:=20 -enable mp3 playback from kde or cli; -enable DVD playback and ripping; -setup additional PCs as fileservers and web presence; Time spent configuring other stuff in FreeBSD, learning about UNIX, vi, fetchmail, mutt, sendmail, XFree and other more general stuff like SMTP and DNS, approximately 20h. Being something like a "poweruser", whatever that means, on my W2k = system and supporting w2k at work, I thought I had some clue about IT, = protocols and other principles of networking.=20 I was wrong. In fact I learned a lot more in the 35h of mucking around on my machine than in a few months of supporting w2k! At times rather frustrating, setting up my little box has been an = extremely=20 rewarding experience. The community is very supportive and if you manage = to formulate your question in a halfway informative and intelligent way the answers = come in quick. I've still got a long way to go and am not allowed to be tempted by my = nice windowsmanager, but I'm confident it's the right way to go. So to all newbies out there:=20 DO NOT GIVE UP! RTFM and maybe buy a book on FreeBSD. You'll learn a lot more about the information _technology_ using FreeBSD than you'll ever do using a MS product. Use "good" hardware (not some Winmodem or other cheapa.. crap); use a dedicated HDD; get a good book or two (e.g. Absolute BSD by Michael Lucas and UNIX = Power Tools from O'Reilly); use the command line; then use a windowmanager (windowSmanager?); try using ONLY FreeBSD to force yourself to immerse yourself=20 and make an effort configuring the system; use RCS to track changes you made; write down what you did in a notebook; check freebsd.org, onlamp.com, bsdforums.com periodically and try to emulate the examples, especially the BSD articles on = onlamp.com. Ok, that's it. Thanks for your time. Kind regards, Lars. _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 10:49:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C4237B409 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pan.gwi.net (pan.gwi.net [207.5.128.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C823943F85 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:49:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ah54@httpsite.com) Received: from andy.gwi.net (blake.gwi.net [207.5.142.8]) by pan.gwi.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2SIn90w009929 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:49:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ah54@httpsite.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20030328113509.GA693@gmx.at> X-Homepage: http://www.nachoz.com X-PGP-Key: RSA-1024 http://www.nachoz.com/andy.pub X-System-Info-DB: PostgreSQL-7.3.2 X-System-Info-RT: rt-3-0-0 X-System-Info-WM: windowmaker-0.80.2 X-System-Info-httpd: apache-1.3.27_4 X-System-Info-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p6 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:49:11 -0500 (EST) Sender: aharriso@andy.gwi.net From: Andy Harrison To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation and config experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:49:12 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 28-Mar-2003, Lars wrote message "FreeBSD installation and config experience" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I want to share some experiences I've had buying, reading about, > installing and configuring FreeBSD 4.7. > Someone needs to register bsdblog.com... ;) ~~ Andy Harrison ah##@httpsite.com ICQ: 123472 AIM/Y!: AHinMaine [full headers for details] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPoSZJlPEkLgodAWVAQEY5wP9GQEQVbLYGOP5FRDyE7bQf32HieMnumNT cSIFlJQPfWNe84qbyoQOjvpsi+IeRKcOpQw0uji/rIl8BV1qTBAJA0UTnZcn0xPo Rs4v8BIey01EUY+5lOWurIVML2AjNCsRiBTjl93EPhJezioxmg3tuJCKJwIWm7/H iFGhcQT86as= =cLxc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 10:53:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BD637B407 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1345C43FF3 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:52:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HCH00JLJ32FW8@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:42:50 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSXDJ0G; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:44:22 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:51:47 -0800 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <20030328113509.GA693@gmx.at> To: Lars , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200303281051.47575.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030328113509.GA693@gmx.at> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-26.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.50 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation and config experience X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:53:09 -0000 On Friday 28 March 2003 03:35 am, Lars wrote: > I am, not for much longer though, a W2k user. Yay! Welcome to the world of the free! > In fact I learned a lot more in the 35h of mucking around on my > machine than in a few months of supporting w2k! That says all that needs saying. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 28 19:10:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B8C37B401 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CBF43F85 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2T3ACNS038460 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2T3AChv038457 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:10:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200303290310.h2T3AChv038457@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 03:10:45 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 00:12:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139FE37B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail47.fg.online.no (mail47-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F70A43F85 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:12:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manavado@frisurf.no) Received: from tocom (ti211310a140-0170.dialup.online.no [130.67.88.170]) by mail47.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11141 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:12:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000401c2f619$f4bdf420$aa584382@tocom> From: "Lal Manavado" To: References: <20030314121550.J67648@welearn.com.au> <007c01c2f1cc$52d35840$c9204382@tocom> <20030323221348.772.5@wonderland.1048452081.fake> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:37:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:12:55 -0000 We are delighted to see Charlie Clark's response to us. However, it is clear that the estimable Mr. Clarks labours under several misapprehensions. Let us now deal with them with due care and diligence they may merit. First of all, he seems to extol the virtues of humility, but fails to underpin his praise on a logically sound substratum. His ciatation of 'cat' might have been somewhat to the point, had he also pointed out that it stands for catanation, but not to concatanation as many suppose. We ourselves are new to FreeBSD, nor yet have we a background in computer science. We find his remark conflating the ability to spell consistently with literary merit astonishing indeed. Consistent spelling was dictated by the exegencies of printing, and not by academic considerations. One cannot disassociate a field from its peculiar vocabulary. When one wishes to master a field, one is required to acquire its vocabulary, which in many cases is English. Thus, what the learned Mr. Clark calls jargon, is indeed a part of the English lexicon. In many instances, a sound knowledge of non-technical English enables one to deduce it technical meaning, provided that one has some knowledge of the area involved. As for English not being the first language of many a user, it only hightens the cogency of our point; namely, a sound knowledge of English would be of considerable help. There is no logical reason why someone whose second or third tongue is English cannot surpass the so-called native speakers, some of whom merely emit sounds, which they fondly believe to be English. Hail to thee! L. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Clark To: Lal Manavado Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:13 PM Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) > > On 2003-03-24 at 07:12:10 [+0100], Lal Manavado wrote: > > In our considered by not humble opinion, , the example terms provided > > here should represent a part of the vocabulary of any speaker of English > > worth his salt. > > And why should your opinion not be humble? Mine certainly is: the more I > know the more I realise how little I know and I'm sure I'm misquoting > someone there. The majority of computer users do not have English as their > first language so it is unfair to expect extensive command of the English > language. I'm a native speaker and even have a degree in English and I'd > have trouble explaining all the terms that Sue listed. Indeed that even > native speakers have trouble is evidenced in the following "pocket > reference" from the University of Texas. > > http://thunderheart.pvc.maricopa.edu/help/ccrl20.html > > > The whole issue, in our view, is inseparable from the fact that some > > people lack a sufficient command of English and that defficiency spills > > over to every field when such people try to understand the vocabulary of > > a new area. > > oh, really. "cat" is a small mammal generally kept as a house pet. "man" is > definitely not a guide or a handbook. And by the way it's spelled/spelt > (yes, both are correct) "deficiency". Jargon is a known problem in any > specialised area. Words are often willingly hijacked, etymologically > incorrect words are common and abbreviations are far too common. HTH. It is > a fact that everybody has to start somewhere or were you born able to use > the shell? Tbis list is for users who are new to FreeBSD wanting to start. > > > We propose that those who find unix terminology dense or obtuse, to take > > some pains to enhance their own fluency in that tongue in which the Bard > > spake so well, and we venture to wager that would improve their own > > perspicacity and perspicuity pertaining to many a thing, FreeBSD included. > > By the "Bard", we assume you mean William Shakespeare, or was it > Shakespare? His own spelling of the name was inconsistent so he's hardly a > good author(ity) to cite - notice the shift in meaning there? > > Regards > > Charlie Clark > > PS. Even if you're mail was supposed to ironic, remember irony and sarcasm > don't translate very well. > PPS. Answers to this are probably best off-list. > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 01:38:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D39837B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from g38.rdsbv.ro (g38.rdsbv.ro [193.231.237.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08D343F85 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:38:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from g38@rdsbv.ro) Received: from kgb.rdsbv.ro (dzerjinski.kgb.ro [193.231.237.196]) by g38.rdsbv.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5280BA266 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:38:54 +0200 (EET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Petre Bandac (by way of Petre Bandac ) Organization: g38 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:38:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200303291138.53192.g38@rdsbv.ro> Subject: poptop error X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: g38@rdsbv.ro List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:38:58 -0000 I am trying (without succes) to install a vpn server on a freebsd 4.7 mac= hine poptop is built from ports - and I get the following message any help, please ? thanks, petre Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: MGR: Launching /usr/local/sbin/pptpctrl t= o handle client Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: pppd options file =3D /usr/local/etc/ppp/options.pptpd Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Client 193.231.237.171 control connection started Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Received PPTP Control Message (type= : 1) Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Made a START CTRL CONN RPLY packet Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: I wrote 156 bytes to the client. Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Sent packet to client Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Received PPTP Control Message (type= : 7) Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Set parameters to 0 maxbps, 16 wind= ow size Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Made a OUT CALL RPLY packet Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Starting call (launching pppd, open= ing GRE) Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: pty_fd =3D 6 Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: tty_fd =3D 5 Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: I wrote 32 bytes to the client. Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Sent packet to client Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Warning: Bad label in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (li= ne 2) - missing colon Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: Using interface: tun0 Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: Created in closed state Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Warning: Bad label in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (li= ne 2) - missing colon Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Warning: Bad label in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (li= ne 2) - missing colon Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Warning: Bad label in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (li= ne 5) - missing colon Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: PPP Started (direct mode). Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: bundle: Establish Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: Connected! Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: opening -> carrier Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: carrier -> lcp Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: lcp -> open Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: bundle: Network Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: Too many IPCP NAKs sent - abandoning negotiation Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: bundle: Terminate Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: open -> lcp Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: GRE: read(fd=3D6,buffer=3D804e360,len=3D8= 196) from PTY failed: status =3D 0 error =3D No error Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb /kernel: Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: GRE: read(fd=3D6,buffer=3D804e360,len=3D8196) from PTY failed: status =3D 0 er= ror =3D No error Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: PTY read or GRE write failed (pty,gre)=3D(6,5) Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb /kernel: Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: PTY re= ad or GRE write failed (pty,gre)=3D(6,5) Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 0 secs: 934 octets in, 712 octets out Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Client 193.231.237.171 control connection finished Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: 27 packets in, 26 packets o= ut Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[414]: CTRL: Exiting now Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: total 1646 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/= sec on Fri Mar 28 16:46:25 2003 Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb pptpd[342]: MGR: Reaped child 414 Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: deflink: lcp -> closed Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: bundle: Dead Mar 28 16:46:25 kgb ppp[415]: Phase: PPP Terminated (normal). and if it's any good: more /etc/ppp/ppp.conf default: set speed 115200 set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command pptp: enable chap enable proxy set ifaddr 193.231.237.196 193.231.237.171 255.255.255.255 -- Login: petre =09=09=09Name: Petre Bandac Directory: /home/petre =09Shell: /usr/local/bin/zsh On since Fri Mar 28 16:07 (EET) on ttyv0, idle 1:05 (messages off) On since Fri Mar 28 16:08 (EET) on ttyp0, idle 0:14, from :0 On since Fri Mar 28 16:59 (EET) on ttyp1, idle 0:03, from :0 On since Fri Mar 28 17:00 (EET) on ttyp2, idle 0:02, from :0 No Mail. No Plan. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 07:23:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AFE37B409 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from plintus.lcm.msu.ru (plintus.lcm.msu.ru [193.232.113.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D22543F75 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from epbox@yandex.ru) Received: from hq.sectorb.msk.ru (IDENT:root@petaflop.lcm.msu.ru [193.232.113.220]) by plintus.lcm.msu.ru (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h2TFNGn25140 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:23:16 +0300 Received: from vlad.local (vlad.local [172.16.8.9]) by hq.sectorb.msk.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2TFNFX31672 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:23:15 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: Vladik Kozin To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:23:04 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200303291823.04910.epbox@yandex.ru> Subject: shared object "foo.so.n" not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: epbox@yandex.ru List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:23:23 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:23:23 -0000 I was trying to install licq on my FreeBSD 4.6 box. So I made=20 =09$pkg_add -r licq-base and =09$pkg_add -r licq-qt-gui //to have graphical interface Now that all the required packages are fetched and installed, I say =09$/usr/local/bin/licq and get =09>/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libssl.so.3" not found then I try =09$ldd /usr/local/bin/licq //to check what other libs do I miss and get =09> libssl.so.3 =3D> not found (0x0) =09>libcrypto.so.3 =3D> not found (0x0) I wonder how can one know where to find those libraries (which packages d= o=20 they belong to)? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 09:59:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38FBC37B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA5A43FB1 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:59:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([62.31.198.203]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:01:28 +0000 From: John Murphy To: epbox@yandex.ru Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:59:14 +0000 Organization: poor Message-ID: References: <200303291823.04910.epbox@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <200303291823.04910.epbox@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: shared object "foo.so.n" not found X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:59:20 -0000 Vladik Kozin wrote: >I was trying to install licq on my FreeBSD 4.6 box. So I made=20 > $pkg_add -r licq-base >and > $pkg_add -r licq-qt-gui //to have graphical interface > >Now that all the required packages are fetched and installed, I say > $/usr/local/bin/licq >and get > >/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libssl.so.3" not found >then I try > $ldd /usr/local/bin/licq //to check what other libs do I miss >and get > > libssl.so.3 =3D> not found (0x0) > >libcrypto.so.3 =3D> not found (0x0) > >I wonder how can one know where to find those libraries (which packages = do=20 >they belong to)? You should ask technical questions on freebsd-questions mailing list. But I think the answer is that you need to install FreeBSD-3 binary compatibility libraries. John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 29 18:41:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89E137B401 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:41:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31BF43FCB for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:41:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HCJ00244JHP9E@net.WAU.NL> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2003 04:41:49 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 04:42:32 +0107 (CEST) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" To: Lal Manavado , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <0HCJ00245JHP9E@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 02:41:56 -0000 Maybe some Norwegian members of the list can speak English on a high level, maybe even higher than "native" english-speakers, but some Dutchmen on the list (at least one of them, namely me) cannot follow everything of this story. Allthough I did get the major part of it, I wonder why such complicated language is needed. I understand the humor behind it, but I'd like to say to all of you: SPEAK NORMAL ENGLISH. (no offense :) ) Sometimes I even find the manuals too complicated. Open-Source-fighters should write all their text (especially their manuals) in understandable english for the "other part" of the community. That's what came up in my mind while reading this. Speaking of the debate here held: I must agree with mr. Clark. Allthough I like the style and attitude of mr. Manavado (sounds like an "ancient" behaviour in the Metal-scene) it is clear that no-one should expect from a non-native english-speaking newbie in the BSD-community to talk "Queens-english". At least I am refusing to do so. On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Lal Manavado wrote: > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:37:58 -0800 > To: > From: "Lal Manavado" > Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) > > As for English not being the first language of many a user, it only > hightens > the cogency of our point; namely, a sound knowledge of English would be > of > considerable help. There is no logical reason why someone whose second or > third tongue is English cannot surpass the so-called native speakers, > some > of whom merely emit sounds, which they fondly believe to be English. > > Hail to thee! > > L. M. May the blessings of our Emperor be with thee to the end of all ages! Fi-Ji