From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 14:35:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B84016A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CB343D3F for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:34:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBTMYtwd022970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:34:55 GMT (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id hBTMYtxi022969 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:34:55 GMT (envelope-from matthew) From: Matthew Seaman To: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031229223455.GA41141@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jRHKVT23PllUwdXP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Another milestone... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:35:01 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:34:55 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:35:01 -0000 --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to freshports.org, the addition of the palm/uppc-kmod port on Mon Dec 29 16:33:02 2003 UTC has resulted in the passing of yet another milestone: this took the count of available ports to 10,000. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/palm/uppc-kmod/Makefile Pretty impressive going. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/8KwPdtESqEQa7a0RAtMoAJ4/BINyKa5/Kf5LtemyDORidEcj+gCfV9SG UBgFDSPOJDhAkRh5BQ9MhZE= =Qdaa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 17:08:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56F416A4CE for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from fubar.adept.org (fubar.adept.org [63.147.172.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5048643D39 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F189315239 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from fubar.adept.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fubar.adept.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 80996-06 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from adept.org (mojo.televoke.net [63.237.196.133]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fubar.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3870A15440 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:03:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4015B8ED.4060006@adept.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:03:41 -0800 From: Mike Hoskins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031110 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org References: <000901c3a020$bdf1e490$2ffc2dd5@workstation> In-Reply-To: <000901c3a020$bdf1e490$2ffc2dd5@workstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: support needed to clone production machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:08:14 -0000 .VWV. wrote: > new DSL line in an isolated place. After all, America have decided to make > Europe as a second world, at the beginning of the last century. I live at > the margins of your empire. I live in a city where nobody cares of my > interests > for the true unix. I have learnt completely alone, with the only help of > your books. not sure what this means... since the project attempts translation of docs/web to various languages, has mirrors (web/doc/cvs) in various places around the globe, etc... what america has or has not done matters very little. the project itself doesn't try to exclude anyone. perhaps you are a minority in your city/etc -- welcome to life as a bsd user. :) i have been a part of that minority since 94/95 -- and i live in america! > I'm running FreeBSD for production purposes on a workstation I have built, > purchasing all of the components in the U.S. I'll need to clone exactly the > same machine on a similar hardware in the next future. The support for the > FreeBSD production systems abandones previous releases too fast. The ports > and the packages become too fast unavailable. how do you mean? you could pick some "deployment release" and track that (say 4.8 security branch, as only one random example). then your OS and related packages are at least not trying to "keep up" with the general release schedule... which is fast-paced for good reason. if you require further "stabalization" of installed packages/etc you may/probably want to build your own packages for commonly installed software, possibly even multiple "package sets" for your various host "categories" (webserver, database server, etc). more time spent coming up with a packaging scheme and managing the result means more stability, or at least seeing only changes you are comfortable with. > The scientific environment is in Europe often a chaos, many institutes often > purchase junk hardware in a total anarchy. that sounds like ".edu" everywhre i've seen it. money usually is NOT that available... so people make due with what they can attain. the commercial world is not so different these days. > It is quite impossible to clone production operating systems at a distance > of one year, does this mean you want to follow a process similar to this: a) install target OS/packages on host A b) wait one year c) install target OS/packages on host B (using same method) d) host B == host A i think you're going to need to head in this general direction: - pick a target release (say 4.8, probably not the newest release) - create a local CVS repository for that release (stable.yourdomain) - create a "gold" server where changes are applied (gold.yourdomain) - create local copies of any/all used software (your packages) - make/test all changes (OS/package/etc) on gold server - move changes to production servers after testing you can monitor a list like cvs-all or other sources to see exactly what's being done on freebsd.org's servers, and update your local repository as needed. when you update your local CVS repository, you update the gold server from there... if it is stable and you are OK with observed changes, you can then update other machines expecting only changes you have already seen on the gold server. new installs progress as usual, but pull sources from the gold server and only install packages installed there... so it's really possible and up to you to "insolate" yourself from undesirable changes... it just requires more time/work. as an example, i know people that follow a similar scheme because they must develop software that is based upon an old 2.2.x tree. some helpful URLs that may help you think about this problem and form possible solutions: http://www.infrastructures.org/papers/bootstrap/bootstrap.html http://www.openpkg.org http://www.freebsd.org/doc/articles/fbsd-from-scratch/index.html if you refine the "from scratch" method to suit your needs and build everything from a locally-controlled repository... then it follows you could control what a "fresh install" looks like. this sounds like what you are trying to do. the only thing i would add is that filesystem snapshots along with a "stable/trusted" gold server could probably be used to do something like this as well. along those lines, 5.x would be your friend. i have verified snapshots work quite well and as expected there... but not on a large scale unfortuneately (few machines). you would still make all changes on your "gold" server, but push those changes to other servers using filesystem snapshots. then you should have byte-for-byte consistency provided through a standardized, easy-to-use interface. granted, i have not tried this myself. ;) > Am I perhaps the only fanatic running FreeBSD where I live... I have tried > to donate my discs to several institutes or students, they have always been > scared of it. It's a common practice to run another well known unix variant. this is human behavior. evolution taught us "don't trust things that are different, they may eat you or your children. run away." only examples of stability/performance/security/etc will convince most people otherwise. (it is no different here. solaris has a strong following, sometimes for good reason... sometimes for superstitious ones!) it is good to know that examples of stability, security, etc. abound in the freebsd world. likewise, daily examples of microsoft's INstability, INsecurity, etc. also abound. > I am prepared for my usual dose of 'flames'. i think this is only the "language barrier"... good luck. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 21:49:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DB316A947 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12FE43EF3 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:41:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4313D28; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:43:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Matthew Seaman Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:43:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <40158A17.2878.2FDF2E3@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20031229223455.GA41141@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another milestone... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:49:11 -0000 On 29 Dec 2003 at 22:34, Matthew Seaman wrote: > According to freshports.org, the addition of the palm/uppc-kmod port on > Mon Dec 29 16:33:02 2003 UTC has resulted in the passing of yet another > milestone: this took the count of available ports to 10,000. > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/palm/uppc-kmod/Makefile > > Pretty impressive going. Not to detract from the significance, But I should be the first to say that FreshPorts counts ports differently to that found in /usr/ports/INDEX, which does not necessarily include all ports in the tree. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 01:47:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D18B16A4CE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6C843D7D for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) i0R9k4jc013768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:46:04 GMT (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id i0R9k4TN013767; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:46:04 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:46:04 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20040127094604.GA13559@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <20031229223455.GA41141@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> <40158A17.2878.2FDF2E3@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="azLHFNyN32YCQGCU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40158A17.2878.2FDF2E3@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another milestone... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 09:47:03 -0000 --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 09:43:51PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > On 29 Dec 2003 at 22:34, Matthew Seaman wrote: >=20 > > According to freshports.org, the addition of the palm/uppc-kmod port on > > Mon Dec 29 16:33:02 2003 UTC has resulted in the passing of yet another > > milestone: this took the count of available ports to 10,000. > >=20 > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/palm/uppc-kmod/Makefile > >=20 > > Pretty impressive going. >=20 > Not to detract from the significance, But I should be the first to=20 > say that FreshPorts counts ports differently to that found in=20 > /usr/ports/INDEX, which does not necessarily include all ports in the=20 > tree. Hmmm... yes, at the time there was a difference of about 10 between between the FreshPorts count and INDEX on my machine. At least, I think that's what I counted a month ago when I sent that. Must have gone by a RFC2549 link... Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAFjNcdtESqEQa7a0RAu7nAJ4+631TguQMEdCTKHtTwKuGDx+CRgCghhUX sFrICc0X8kILi6FfXNNXR5M= =79TR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 05:00:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CC416A4CE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6809A43D39 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 05:00:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8B73D28; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:00:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Matthew Seaman Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:00:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <40161A87.13165.5323523@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20040127094604.GA13559@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <40158A17.2878.2FDF2E3@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another milestone... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:00:09 -0000 On 27 Jan 2004 at 9:46, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 09:43:51PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > > On 29 Dec 2003 at 22:34, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > > > According to freshports.org, the addition of the palm/uppc-kmod port on > > > Mon Dec 29 16:33:02 2003 UTC has resulted in the passing of yet another > > > milestone: this took the count of available ports to 10,000. > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/palm/uppc-kmod/Makefile > > > > > > Pretty impressive going. > > > > Not to detract from the significance, But I should be the first to > > say that FreshPorts counts ports differently to that found in > > /usr/ports/INDEX, which does not necessarily include all ports in the > > tree. > > Hmmm... yes, at the time there was a difference of about 10 between > between the FreshPorts count and INDEX on my machine. > > At least, I think that's what I counted a month ago when I sent that. > Must have gone by a RFC2549 link... There are many messages slowly tricking through like that. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 07:38:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E46516A4CE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from vsmtp12.tin.it (vsmtp12.tin.it [212.216.176.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D8943D46 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:38:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: from workstation (80.181.63.143) by vsmtp12.tin.it (7.0.019) id 3FE0347C007342A6 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:38:52 +0100 Message-ID: <007801c3e4eb$b0547b80$60d0fea9@workstation> From: ".VWV." To: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 16:39:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: apology and correction: support needed to clone production machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:38:57 -0000 > .VWV. wrote: >... The message above has been posted months ago in a moment of 'dejection' of mine. It has been published only now. I am sorry and I thank for the replies of encouragement and for the detailed suggestions. I'll try don't wasting this discussion space with moans any more. .VWV. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 18:56:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A3916A4CE for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from vsmtp12.tin.it (vsmtp12.tin.it [212.216.176.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5412343D2D for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:56:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from victorvittorivonwiktow@interfree.it) Received: from workstation (82.48.219.27) by vsmtp12.tin.it (7.0.019) id 3FE0347C0082E8DF for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:56:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c3e6dc$a72354d0$60d0fea9@workstation> From: ".VWV." To: References: <007801c3e4eb$b0547b80$60d0fea9@workstation> <0.97811900.1075249865@adept.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:56:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: method for cloning unsupported FreeBSD machines X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:56:27 -0000 ---- Original Message ---- From: "Mike Hoskins" To: ".VWV." Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:31 AM Subject: >> > did you ever determine a suitable solution? if you do, it may help > others to post your findings (at least briefly) to the list. i think > hearing about freebsd-based solutions would be perfectly on-topic for > "advocacy" -- but that is your decission. :) > > later, > > -m The solution for cloning machines on an internal network seems to me your own one. For all of us interested in, please look at the posted messages' archive. The solutions for cloning stand-alone machines seem to me the old ones: learning 'dump' and 'restore' - NOT available on 'penguins' o.s.', and burning optical discs with your own compiled packages - .tgz -. I'll be away for a while, I must setup GNUmail - or Postilion, or Pine, or Mutt - and the new DSL connection: until that, I'll not post here any more, otherwise it would be a shame. .VWV. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 31 06:10:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EB816A4CE for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AFFC43D2F for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:09:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbagby@sbcglobal.net) Received: from unknown (HELO a9d2f6) (rbagby@sbcglobal.net@66.141.68.185 with login) by smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2004 14:09:48 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c3e803$d2145680$0200a8c0@sbcgolbal.net> From: "Ray Bagby" To: "Quintin Riis" , "lorink" References: <200401302006.51698.glyfx3d@shaw.ca> <401B91EB.8010100@countrypure.net> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:09:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:10:01 -0000 Y'know, I understand the IRC individual is not an official representative of FreeBSD, BUT, he is using the FreeBSD name and pissing people off. Is this just something that has to be tolerated? Is there no recourse for this type of situation? This person, James, gets whizzed on in the name of FreeBSD and when he complains, he gets the same kinda response you get when you drop by a person's house and their cute little 2 year old whizzes on your pants leg: "Oh, that happens!". The big diff is this is a huge organization saying, "Oh well, that kinda thing happens..." and the whizzer is not some 2 year old who's not potty trained yet. The FreeBSD name is trademarked and copyrighted, right? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quintin Riis" To: "lorink" Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:30 AM Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. > Guy, we have nothing to do with IRC channels, and if you look at the > website, you will notice that they are not an official support avenue. > > Quintin > lorink wrote: > > > To whom it may concern, > > > > I just want to let the bsd team know this has been a great OS and it is > > meeting my needs over that of other operating systems including windows which > > I was a software tester of W2k back in the late 90s. While your documentation > > is excellent and sometimes such subjects on google searches also provide > > answers I recently have stumbled across a irc chanell on efnet called > > #freebsdhelp. Been a good chanell so far but lately there is one op nick name > > "hideaway" who has been a little on the rude side and has kicked some people > > or my self and not permited them to return to the chanell because of his > > fits. I have a log of the events that led up to my being banned from the > > chanell and let me know if this is a employee that represent freebsd.org > > > > Sincerly, > > > > James K > > > > --clip-- > > > > you don't like sad? > > he's too happy > > hideaway, mmmm that was not cool what did he ever do? > > so what? > > he asked too many questions > > ??? Lori17 [rsm@dhcp024-210-252-047.rgs.cavalry.net] has joined #FreeBSDHelp > > lol > > let me remind you this is freebsdhelp > > OH WoW > > THANKS! > > ??? mode/#FreeBSDHelp [+b *!*darwin@*.vs.shawcable.net] by hideaway > > > >>>>You have been kicked off #FreeBSDHelp by hideaway (go join your fucking > > > > loser friend) > > ??? [#freebsdhelp] Banned from channel > > freebsdhelp: No such nick/channel > > ??????---?--??-??????---?--??-?????????--- -- - > > | hideaway (petef@free.bsd) (unknown) > > > > ? ircname : Pete Fritchman <-- Does he work for > > Freebsd? > > > > ? server : irc.mindspring.com (EarthLink, Inc.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 31 07:06:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3004A16A4CE for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE96443D31 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 07:05:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from sitetronics.com ([62.163.150.222]) by amsfep17-int.chello.nl ESMTP <20040131150551.GPVB15878.amsfep17-int.chello.nl@sitetronics.com>; Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:05:51 +0100 Message-ID: <401BC3FC.1090602@sitetronics.com> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:04:28 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bagby , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200401302006.51698.glyfx3d@shaw.ca> <401B91EB.8010100@countrypure.net> <001201c3e803$d2145680$0200a8c0@sbcgolbal.net> In-Reply-To: <001201c3e803$d2145680$0200a8c0@sbcgolbal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:06:12 -0000 Ray Bagby wrote: > Y'know, I understand the IRC individual is not an official representative of > FreeBSD, > BUT, he is using the FreeBSD name and pissing people off. > Is this just something that has to be tolerated? > Is there no recourse for this type of situation? > This person, James, gets whizzed on in the name of FreeBSD and when he > complains, > he gets the same kinda response you get when you drop by a person's house > and > their cute little 2 year old whizzes on your pants leg: "Oh, that happens!". > The big diff is > this is a huge organization saying, "Oh well, that kinda thing happens..." > and the whizzer > is not some 2 year old who's not potty trained yet. > The FreeBSD name is trademarked and copyrighted, right? > > Ray Ray, FreeBSD is not a company It does not have employees. It has volunteers. The name is a registered trademark and is copyrighted. This does not mean you don't have the free right to tell people to ``fuck off'' because you do development on the FreeBSD platform. It means that you cannot start a similar project and use the name ``FreeBSD'' in any part of it. IRC is not an official support channel for FreeBSD. Don't get riled up if you don't get support there. Don't get riled up if you get kicked out and told to fuck off. That's IRC. OTOH, if someone representing the FreeBSD team is insulting over a public and official support channel, action can be taken. Until that time, please keep this stuff private. --Devon From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 1 12:49:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAB116A4CE for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cruzio.com (dsl3-63-249-85-132.cruzio.com [63.249.85.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 224F943D6D for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: from mail.cruzio.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cruzio.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i11MlR1E000628 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:47:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i11MlRje000627 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:47:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 14:47:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200402012247.i11MlRje000627@mail.cruzio.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Misleading connotation in BBC story X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 20:49:13 -0000 Hi, the BBC has headlined a story, "Linux steps into the limelight", which contains what I think is a quite misleading line: "Linux is unique in that its code is open source, meaning anyone can look it and modify it, as long as they agree to share their changes with everyone else." See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/technology/3436289.stm While this sentence is strictly true about Linux due to the last clause in the sentence ("as long as they agree to share their changes with everyone else."), the implication regarding Linux being unique, namely that: "Linux is unique in that its code is open source," couldn't be more wrong. This article also seems to have a somewhat limited notion of the definition of open source. Maybe someone has an article or somesuch that they could commend to the folks at the BBC? Additionally, the article appears to be about the same conference described in: http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=4368 at which it appears there was considerably FreeBSD interest. - bruce From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 01:12:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC31616A521 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from server945.gisol.com (server945.gisol.com [207.44.208.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D5D43D39 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 01:12:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@countrypure.net) Received: from 216-229-72-38-dialup-mo.fidnet.com ([216.229.72.38] helo=countrypure.net) by server945.gisol.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ana7v-0007fK-Nw; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:12:20 -0800 Message-ID: <401E13FB.7070408@countrypure.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 03:10:19 -0600 From: Quintin Riis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bagby References: <200401302006.51698.glyfx3d@shaw.ca> <401B91EB.8010100@countrypure.net> <001201c3e803$d2145680$0200a8c0@sbcgolbal.net> In-Reply-To: <001201c3e803$d2145680$0200a8c0@sbcgolbal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server945.gisol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - countrypure.net cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org cc: lorink Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 09:12:41 -0000 The same could apply for anyone on one of many #windows channels. No one on Redmond gets their panties in a twist though. ;-) Quintin Ray Bagby wrote: > Y'know, I understand the IRC individual is not an official representative of > FreeBSD, > BUT, he is using the FreeBSD name and pissing people off. > Is this just something that has to be tolerated? > Is there no recourse for this type of situation? > This person, James, gets whizzed on in the name of FreeBSD and when he > complains, > he gets the same kinda response you get when you drop by a person's house > and > their cute little 2 year old whizzes on your pants leg: "Oh, that happens!". > The big diff is > this is a huge organization saying, "Oh well, that kinda thing happens..." > and the whizzer > is not some 2 year old who's not potty trained yet. > The FreeBSD name is trademarked and copyrighted, right? > > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Quintin Riis" > To: "lorink" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:30 AM > Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. > > > >>Guy, we have nothing to do with IRC channels, and if you look at the >>website, you will notice that they are not an official support avenue. >> >>Quintin >>lorink wrote: >> >> >>>To whom it may concern, >>> >>>I just want to let the bsd team know this has been a great OS and it is >>>meeting my needs over that of other operating systems including windows > > which > >>>I was a software tester of W2k back in the late 90s. While your > > documentation > >>>is excellent and sometimes such subjects on google searches also provide >>>answers I recently have stumbled across a irc chanell on efnet called >>>#freebsdhelp. Been a good chanell so far but lately there is one op nick > > name > >>>"hideaway" who has been a little on the rude side and has kicked some > > people > >>>or my self and not permited them to return to the chanell because of his >>>fits. I have a log of the events that led up to my being banned from > > the > >>>chanell and let me know if this is a employee that represent freebsd.org >>> >>>Sincerly, >>> >>>James K >>> >>>--clip-- >>> >>> you don't like sad? >>> he's too happy >>> hideaway, mmmm that was not cool what did he ever do? >>> so what? >>> he asked too many questions >>>??? Lori17 [rsm@dhcp024-210-252-047.rgs.cavalry.net] has joined > > #FreeBSDHelp > >>> lol >>> let me remind you this is freebsdhelp >>> OH WoW >>> THANKS! >>>??? mode/#FreeBSDHelp [+b *!*darwin@*.vs.shawcable.net] by hideaway >>> >>> >>>>>>You have been kicked off #FreeBSDHelp by hideaway (go join your > > fucking > >>> loser friend) >>>??? [#freebsdhelp] Banned from channel >>>freebsdhelp: No such nick/channel >>>??????---?--??-??????---?--??-?????????--- -- - >>>| hideaway (petef@free.bsd) (unknown) >>> >>>? ircname : Pete Fritchman <-- Does he work for >>>Freebsd? >>> >>>? server : irc.mindspring.com (EarthLink, Inc.) >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 07:13:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5926316A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92A943D39; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 07:13:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE84B3D28; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:12:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:13:24 -0000 Hi folks, I've been looking around at the conference systems which are now available. I have been offered the use of existing systems, but I think we have a opportunity here to create something for our own use and mutual benefit. Yesterday at the OSW meeting I volunteered to create a registration system for OSW (http://www.osw.ca/). It will be an open source project, free for anyone to use. I have already drawn up some preliminary specs, and tossed together a database diagram. My tools of choice: PHP and PostgreSQL. What I want to tackle first is: - user registration - talks - locations (where is the talk) - speakers (who is giving this talk) >From this information, a website can create a page with talks, a page with the speakers and their biographies, and a page with the location on it (complete with maps). Each page contains links to the others. This is my primary short term goal. Dynamic web page content. Anyone wishing to get involved, please speak up. If you want to learn PHP/PostgreSQL, this is an ideal opportunity. The project has very small distinct tasks which will take a few hours to complete (i.e. one evening). Thanks -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 08:25:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AF116A4CE for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C60F43D4C for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 08:24:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.103.67.204] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Angs7-0005ee-7R; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:24:27 +0000 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Angs4-0007XE-Ad; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:24:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:24:24 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-ID: <20040202162424.GV47004@submonkey.net> References: <200402012247.i11MlRje000627@mail.cruzio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RS1722//baS0C3Tp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200402012247.i11MlRje000627@mail.cruzio.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Misleading connotation in BBC story X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 16:25:10 -0000 --RS1722//baS0C3Tp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 02:47:27PM -0800, Bruce R. Montague wrote: >=20 > Hi, the BBC has headlined a story, "Linux steps into the > limelight", which contains what I think is a quite misleading > line: > =20 > "Linux is unique in that its code is open source,=20 > meaning anyone can look it and modify it, as long as =20 > they agree to share their changes with everyone else." This has now been corrected in the story. Ceri --=20 --RS1722//baS0C3Tp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAHnm4ocfcwTS3JF8RAvFeAJwN+niC8AHbO/LJeSzTMYl4kc9SSwCeO4q1 xpERUTTge6PMH2P2uwRR+DM= =WBAA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RS1722//baS0C3Tp-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 10:20:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFEF16A563 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:20:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder.ath.cx (ti500720a080-1136.bb.online.no [80.213.68.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F02143D2F for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from torbj0rn@balder.ath.cx) Received: from balder.ath.cx (torbj0rn@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ath.cx (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i12ILb52045137; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:21:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from torbj0rn@balder.ath.cx) Received: (from torbj0rn@localhost) by balder.ath.cx (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id i12ILbYT045136; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:21:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from torbj0rn) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:21:37 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_H=2E?= Orskaug To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20040202182137.GA45110@balder.ath.cx> References: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p1 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:20:52 -0000 I would very much like to participate in this project. My experience with PHP/PostgreSQL is rather limited, but I look upon this as a great opportunity for me to learn more. :) What exactly do you see as the requirements for joining? From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 10:22:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A9816A4CE for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF08B43D5E for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE0C73D34; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_H._Orskaug?=" Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:22:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <401E4F00.7252.253FBE6C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20040202182137.GA45110@balder.ath.cx> References: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:22:17 -0000 On 2 Feb 2004 at 19:21, Torbj=F8rn H. Orskaug wrote: > I would very much like to participate in this project. My experience > with PHP/PostgreSQL is rather limited, but I look upon this as a great > opportunity for me to learn more. :) > > What exactly do you see as the requirements for joining? The willingness to help. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 10:35:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B77116A4CF for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder.ath.cx (ti500720a080-1136.bb.online.no [80.213.68.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35F943D3F for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 10:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from torbj0rn@balder.ath.cx) Received: from balder.ath.cx (torbj0rn@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ath.cx (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i12IYl52045233; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:34:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from torbj0rn@balder.ath.cx) Received: (from torbj0rn@localhost) by balder.ath.cx (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id i12IYlSc045232; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:34:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from torbj0rn) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:34:46 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_H=2E?= Orskaug To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20040202183446.GA45204@balder.ath.cx> References: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> <401E4F00.7252.253FBE6C@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <401E4F00.7252.253FBE6C@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p1 cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:35:23 -0000 On man, feb 02, 2004 at 01:22:08pm -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > On 2 Feb 2004 at 19:21, Torbjørn H. Orskaug wrote: > > > I would very much like to participate in this project. My experience > > with PHP/PostgreSQL is rather limited, but I look upon this as a great > > opportunity for me to learn more. :) > > > > What exactly do you see as the requirements for joining? > > The willingness to help. > -- > Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ > BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/ > Okay. Then you can count me in! If you're interested, of course. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 11:11:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3EF16A4CE for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB84743D41 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:10:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1750 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AnjRz-0003wm-4M; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:09:39 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:02:01 -0800 Received: from Siemens.com (dhcp-46-107.acuson.com [157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3LRHF; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:00:40 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Ray Bagby Message-ID: <401E9FEA.8040501@Siemens.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:07:22 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200401302006.51698.glyfx3d@shaw.ca> <401B91EB.8010100@countrypure.net> <001201c3e803$d2145680$0200a8c0@sbcgolbal.net> In-Reply-To: <001201c3e803$d2145680$0200a8c0@sbcgolbal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AnjRz-0003wm-4M*1v9dqlaHbjg* cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:11:03 -0000 Ray Bagby wrote: > Y'know, I understand the IRC individual is not an official > representative of FreeBSD, BUT, he is using the FreeBSD name and > pissing people off. Is this just something that has to be tolerated? It is unfortunate, but there is nothing to do but tolerate it. "FreeBSD" doesn't have the legal authority to dump people off of other private forums. Just using the name "FreeBSD" isn't good enough. But what if it were? What if Microsoft had the authority to kick you off of Slashdot because you said "Windows sux"? > Is there no recourse for this type of situation? There are several recourses. Complain to the moderator/administrator of the forum. Stop going to that channel. Grow a thicker skin. To put it another way, if you walk into a seedy bar, expect to encounter some drunk spoiling for a fight. Likewise, if you enter any IRC channel, expect to find obnoxious people. It's the nature of IRC. I've been on forums of various kinds for over twenty years. There have always been rude and impolite people spoiling the conversations. The difference now is that the huge influx of users since the "discovery" of the internet has increased the numbers of boorish folks. David From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 11:35:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6572C16A4CE for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:35:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AEA43D48 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:35:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1AnjpR-0001yl-00; Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:33:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 11:33:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Johnson David In-Reply-To: <401E9FEA.8040501@Siemens.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 19:35:20 -0000 On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Johnson David wrote: > It is unfortunate, but there is nothing to do but tolerate it. "FreeBSD" > doesn't have the legal authority to dump people off of other private forums. > > Just using the name "FreeBSD" isn't good enough. But what if it were? > What if Microsoft had the authority to kick you off of Slashdot because > you said "Windows sux"? I think the complaint is not about being rude. But that the person that was inconsiderate was known as some developer @freebsd.org. If a FreeBSD developer wants to use their @freebsd.org email address as their personal email address or personal handle then they should behave because they represent the entire @freebsd.org group. Some organizations have that part of their memmbership agreement -- to not abuse their good name. Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 12:30:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4FE16A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9976F43D55; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.1.150] ([192.168.1.150])i12KUCJ6073205; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:30:12 GMT (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) In-Reply-To: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> References: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v612) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-1-809834870" Message-Id: <920BCAE9-55BE-11D8-AADF-000393863D48@freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Nik Clayton Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:29:58 +0000 To: "Dan Langille" X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0 (v30, 10.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.612) cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:30:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1-809834870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2 Feb 2004, at 15:12, Dan Langille wrote: > I've been looking around at the conference systems which are now > available. Which ones? I dug out: http://www.acm.org/sigs/sgb/summary.html which has a list with lots of associated info. There's also http://yapcom.pti.co.il/ Which the Israel.pm group is writing to help run the various Perl conferences around the world which might also be interesting. N --Apple-Mail-1-809834870 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAHrNOk6gHZCw343URAs3bAJ9g4M71ZMtn9VNJKDMWoUu+qmButgCZAd42 +XXjdU1gLftUKr4FCisbDfM= =a3Sr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-1-809834870-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 12:37:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2305C16A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:37:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EEC43D31; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459A43D28; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:37:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Nik Clayton Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:37:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <401E6ED2.3982.25BC11A2@localhost> Priority: normal References: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> In-reply-to: <920BCAE9-55BE-11D8-AADF-000393863D48@freebsd.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: advocacy@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:37:58 -0000 On 2 Feb 2004 at 20:29, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On 2 Feb 2004, at 15:12, Dan Langille wrote: > > I've been looking around at the conference systems which are now > > available. > > Which ones? I dug out: > > http://www.acm.org/sigs/sgb/summary.html > > which has a list with lots of associated info. I found the same list. There's no mention of PHP or PostgreSQL there. And more importantly, only two of them have conference registration. > There's also > > http://yapcom.pti.co.il/ > > Which the Israel.pm group is writing to help run the various Perl > conferences around the world which might also be interesting. There's this little voice in my head telling me that's not going to be using PHP. ;) Thank you. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 13:02:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6583616A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B5B43D2D; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8622514711; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:02:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:02:17 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Any interest in a FreeBSD user group in Austin, TX? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 21:02:18 -0000 If so, email me directly (no need to respond to the lists). So far the first "meeting" was me and two other guys at a local brewpub :-) mcl From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 17:33:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE0F16A4CE; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:33:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (external.osdn.org.ua [212.40.34.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FB543D31; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:33:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i131X2q3022862; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:33:02 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6p3/8.12.6/Submit) id i131X2lw022859; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:33:02 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:33:02 +0200 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040203013302.GA16840@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Benchmark Competition for Open Source Operating System X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:33:05 -0000 Please, take a look at this challange - we (FreeBSD Community and tuning gurus ;>) should take part at this benchmark! http://osuosl.org/benchmarks/bc/ -- NEVE-RIPE, will build world for food Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 2 17:41:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDEB16A4CE for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:41:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (external.osdn.org.ua [212.40.34.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B82643D41 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:41:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i131fMq3023033; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:41:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6p3/8.12.6/Submit) id i131fMpY023030; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:41:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 03:41:22 +0200 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20040203014122.GB16840@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <400AC571.26896.16D82391@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <400AC571.26896.16D82391@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: very large daemon graphic X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:41:27 -0000 Hello, Dan Langille! On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 05:42:09PM -0500, you wrote: > I'm trying to locate a very large version of this graphic. > > http://www.infoplex.com/unix/images/daemon-150.jpg > > Anyone see one around? I've already announced few times re-make made by UAFUG: http://uafug.org.ua/~never/beastie/beastie_trans.gif - preview http://uafug.org.ua/~never/beastie/beastie_v8.zip - Adobe Illustrator file. -- NEVE-RIPE, will build world for food Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 07:06:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1749F16A4CE for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from parati.mdbrasil.com.br (parati.mdbrasil.com.br [200.210.70.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9786A43D2D for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 07:06:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eksffa@freebsdbrasil.com.br) Received: (qmail 79279 invoked by uid 85); 3 Feb 2004 15:06:27 -0000 Received: from eksffa@freebsdbrasil.com.br by parati.mdbrasil.com.br by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.20rc1 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4288. Clear:RC:1:. Processed in 0.110419 secs); 03 Feb 2004 15:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO freebsdbrasil.com.br) (200.251.67.214) by parati.mdbrasil.com.br with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 13:06:26 -0200 Message-ID: <401FB8E8.6030405@freebsdbrasil.com.br> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:06:16 -0200 From: Patrick Tracanelli Organization: FreeBSD Brasil LTDA User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030524 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Beaver Challenge 2004 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 15:06:22 -0000 Hello, Anyone knows who will be the people to be part of the FreeBSD team on Beaver Challenge[1]? Anyone here will be involved in person? The rules[2] seem nice, and I believe there is finally a chance to a performance comparission been fair, technical tuning made by people who know what should be done. Personally, I would like to see the same faces we are familiar on TechTV :D [1] http://osuosl.org/benchmarks/bc/ [2] http://osuosl.org/benchmarks/bc/methodology/ [3] http://osuosl.org/forums/ -- Atenciosamente, Patrick Tracanelli The FreeBSD pt_BR Documentation Project patrick @ freebsdbrasil.com.br "Long live Hanin Elias, Kim Deal!" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 10:26:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D93516A4CE for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B497143D45 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 10:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from george@sddi.net) Received: from defbox ([162.83.163.168]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040203182559.DACC13340.out007.verizon.net@defbox> for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:25:59 -0600 From: "G. Rosamond" To: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:25:42 -0500 Organization: Secure Design & Development, Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [162.83.163.168] at Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:25:58 -0600 Subject: NYC BSD User Group Meeting, Feb 4th X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: george@sddi.net List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:26:01 -0000 NYCBUG.org (pronounced nice-bug) New York City *BSD Users Group OpenBSD Security, Wes Sonnenreich on Wednesday, February 4th at 7 pm. While operating system security is a hot topic in the news today, only one operating system can say that it's only had one remote vulnerability since its inception in 1996: OpenBSD. With a stringent auditing process and the committment of developers around the world, the OpenBSD example has transformed the way in which operating system security is viewed. Wes Sonnenreich is the author of "Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls" and "Network Security Illustrated." His presentation will look at the OpenBSD operating system, and the the clear lessons it teaches about building secure systems. The meeting will be held at the offices of SageSecure, LLC at 116 W. 23rd Street at 6th Avenue on the fifth floor. This meeting is free and open to the public. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 15:36:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACCE16A4CE for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from flanker.mig-29.net (dsl-200-78-45-46.prod-infinitum.com.mx [200.78.45.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23BA43D3F for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:35:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mig@mig-29.net) Received: from mail.eurorscg.com.mx (dsl-200-95-59-238.prod-infinitum.com.mx [200.95.59.238]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by flanker.mig-29.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3362DC for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:28:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:36:08 -0600 From: Manuel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E1bade_Garc=EDa?= To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040203173608.0ed87558.mig@mig-29.net> In-Reply-To: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> References: <401E22A9.3961.249287D5@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8a (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: conference registration project : helpers wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:36:00 -0000 On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:12:57 -0500 "Dan Langille" wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > I've been looking around at the conference systems which are now=20 > available. I have been offered the use of existing systems,=20 > but I think we have a opportunity here to create something for our=20 > own use and mutual benefit. Yesterday at the OSW meeting I volunteered > to create a registration system for OSW (http://www.osw.ca/). It=20 > will be an open source project, free for anyone to use. >=20 > I have already drawn up some preliminary specs, and tossed together a=20 > database diagram. My tools of choice: PHP and PostgreSQL. >=20 > What I want to tackle first is: > - user registration > - talks > - locations (where is the talk) > - speakers (who is giving this talk) >=20 Hi, i have been working with a parter about a year ago in COMAS (Conference Magnagment System) that we are using right now to manage almost everything of the CONSOL (Congreso Nacional de Software Libre, or in English: Free Software National Congress) that will be celebrated next week in M=E9xico City. Is everything done in perl, hooked to Apache by mod_perl and PostgreSQL as his database (with triggers an functions in plpgsql). You can check the page of the project: http://consol.org.mx/wiki/comas Right now we are very busy with all the previous organization of the congre= ss and we haven't relase a version, but i can send you all the source code = (is GPL'ed :-). From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 3 22:33:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A9F16A4D7 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3544643D1F for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@unfoldings.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=localhost) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1AoGat-0006HZ-QT; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:33:03 +0200 Received: from apollo.laserfence.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (apollo.laserfence.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22737-03; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:32:40 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [192.168.255.1] (helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD) id 1AoGaT-0006HI-SJ; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:32:39 +0200 Received: from arista.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.10] helo=arista) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AoGaP-000BWA-00; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 08:32:33 +0200 Message-ID: <002c01c3eae8$ac3591d0$0a00a8c0@arista> From: "Willie Viljoen" To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , "Johnson David" References: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:32:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at laserfence.net cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 06:33:24 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: "Johnson David" Cc: Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Johnson David wrote: > > > It is unfortunate, but there is nothing to do but tolerate it. "FreeBSD" > > doesn't have the legal authority to dump people off of other private forums. > > > > Just using the name "FreeBSD" isn't good enough. But what if it were? > > What if Microsoft had the authority to kick you off of Slashdot because > > you said "Windows sux"? > > I think the complaint is not about being rude. But that the person that > was inconsiderate was known as some developer @freebsd.org. Sadly, this is again the nature of IRC. There's nothing that prevents anybody from logging into any IRC server and setting their address to whatever@freebsd.org in order to make themselves look really special... IRC servers and nickname registration services never really check the authenticity of e-mail addresses people provide, for large networks, it would probably cause serious overhead anyway. The ones that do, mostly just check to see if the domain they used is there, or has an MX, some others do a callout to see if the local part is in that domain, but this is very rare. Even in that case, the person could just type the address of somebody else @freebsd.org, and it would appear to be valid. There's no IRC server or registration service in the world that would actually send an e-mail to confirm this, generally, IRC networks really just don't care. Please try to keep in mind that IRC is a public medium, and has recently been overrun by, well, the public. As an example, we have a network here in South Africa called ZANet, on this network, exists a channel calling themselves #FreeBSD. In truth, the only actual FreeBSD users on ZAnet populate its #linux, because #FreeBSD belongs to a group of people who can scarcely operate Windows, but saw some cool daemonette pictures from some BSDcon on some geeky-soft-porn website, and now want to be "cool" too. If you want to make sure this doesn't happen, stay away from IRC. Ask the mailing list instead, here, atleast, people try to be reasonably nice. Stay away from IRC, since the "digital revolution" it's only been good for one thing -- desperate teenagers seeking dates or social approval or what ever... If you're older than 15, don't use IRC, you won't find much help, or interesting conversation for that matter, on an IRC network. My two cents Will From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 07:46:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E5616A4CE for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amarand.org (mail.amarand.org [24.106.108.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F59743D45 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@amarand.org) Received: from mail.amarand.org (localhost.amarand.org [127.0.0.1]) by mail.amarand.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i14FkT4D028288 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:46:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (freebsd@localhost)i14FkCUB028284 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:46:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: freebsd@amarand.org To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Seeking a FreeBSD users group in Columbus, Ohio X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:46:36 -0000 Just wondering if anyone knows of, or has a desire to start, a FreeBSD users group in the Columbus, Ohio area? --Sean Goodman From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 10:21:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8516616A4CF for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0228B43D48 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 24929 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 18:21:15 -0000 Received: from dsl027-160-063.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Feb 2004 18:21:15 -0000 Received: from 10.50.40.205 (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i14IL5M2007692; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:21:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) From: John Baldwin To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , Johnson David Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:03:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402041103.38418.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:21:19 -0000 On Monday 02 February 2004 02:33 pm, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Johnson David wrote: > > It is unfortunate, but there is nothing to do but tolerate it. "FreeBSD" > > doesn't have the legal authority to dump people off of other private > > forums. > > > > Just using the name "FreeBSD" isn't good enough. But what if it were? > > What if Microsoft had the authority to kick you off of Slashdot because > > you said "Windows sux"? > > I think the complaint is not about being rude. But that the person that > was inconsiderate was known as some developer @freebsd.org. No, this was on IRC, not e-mail. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 4 13:19:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532F716A4CE; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE7E43D1D; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1AoUQE-0004kH-00; Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:18:58 -0800 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 13:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: John Baldwin In-Reply-To: <200402041103.38418.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Johnson David cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: One of your employees are very rude. X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:19:01 -0000 On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, John Baldwin wrote: > No, this was on IRC, not e-mail. The original email showed that the IRC handle contained @freebsd.org. (Where is the archive for this past week?) I rarely use IRC, and I know people can make up their own handles. But I didn't imagine that someone would make up their own @freebsd.org handle. Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/