From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 18 00:13:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA3716A4CE; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACEB43D41; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schweikh@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (schweikh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3I7Dhbv001697; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schweikh@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from schweikh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3I7Dc69001693; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:13:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schweikh) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jens Schweikhardt Message-Id: <200404180713.i3I7Dc69001693@freefall.freebsd.org> To: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk, schweikh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/65615: make.conf.5 documents non-existent MAKE_SHELL variable X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:13:43 -0000 Synopsis: make.conf.5 documents non-existent MAKE_SHELL variable State-Changed-From-To: feedback->closed State-Changed-By: schweikh State-Changed-When: Sun Apr 18 00:10:55 PDT 2004 State-Changed-Why: MAKE_SHELL is used in HEAD (no MFC yet). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65615 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 08:30:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF1016A4CF for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCF743D5E for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3JFUJbv027625 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3JFUJLl027624; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200404191530.i3JFUJLl027624@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Simon Barner Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFCE16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7233343D55 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barner@in.tum.de) Received: by zi025.glhnet.mhn.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C1AF9487D; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20040419152341.C1AF9487D@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Simon Barner To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/65766: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simon Barner List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 15:30:20 -0000 >Number: 65766 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Apr 19 08:30:19 PDT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Simon Barner >Release: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p5 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD zi025.glhnet.mhn.de 5.2.1-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p5 #0: Sat Apr 17 12:06:11 CEST 2004 toor@zi025.glhnet.mhn.de:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/KISTE i386 >Description: The Handbook, Chapter 11, does not mention that you have to mount fdescfs in order to use the example filter script (otherwise printing does not work). handbook/printing-advanced.html -> 11.4.1.3 Simulating PostScript on Non PostScript Printers >How-To-Repeat: Print w/o having that file system mounted. Enable logging in /etc/printcap :lf=/var/log/myprinter.log: You will see the following error message: Error: /invalidfileaccess in --.outputpage-- Operand stack: 1 true Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval- - 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- fa lse 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringva l-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- 0 4 %oparray_p op --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:1059/1123(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:75/200(L)-- --dict:10 6/300(L)-- Current allocation mode is local Last OS error: 45 GNU Ghostscript 7.07: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 >Fix: The following line in /etc/fstab fdescfs /dev/fd fdescfs rw 0 0 and a mount /dev/fd made my printer work. Furthermore I'd like to add that I had to remove the following line from the ifhp example filter: printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 (I am using an Epson Stylus Color 740 via the stcolor driver, GNU Ghostscript 7.07). >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 09:50:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C8516A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA3B43D2D for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3JGoPbv034930 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3JGoPWK034928; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404191650.i3JGoPWK034928@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Marc Fonvieille Subject: Re: docs/65766: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Marc Fonvieille List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 16:50:26 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/65766; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Marc Fonvieille To: Simon Barner Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/65766: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:46:20 +0200 On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 05:23:41PM +0200, Simon Barner wrote: > > >Fix: > > The following line in /etc/fstab > > fdescfs /dev/fd fdescfs rw 0 0 > > and a mount /dev/fd made my printer work. > [...] Could you try this script: #!/bin/sh printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 IFS="" read -r first_line first_two_chars=`expr "$first_line" : '\(..\)'` case "${first_two_chars}" in \%\!*) /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=djet500 \ -sOutputFile=- - && exit 0 ;; *) echo "$first_line" && cat && printf "\033&l0H" && exit 0 ;; esac exit 2 You will have to comment the 2nd line if you use an Epson printer (it's your case) and don't forget to use the right device for -sDEVICE. > Furthermore I'd like to add that I had to remove the following line from > the ifhp example filter: > > printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 > (I am using an Epson Stylus Color 740 via the stcolor driver, GNU > Ghostscript 7.07). It's normal this line is for HP printers Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 10:05:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C9616A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9801F43D39 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:05:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jonas.de.Buhr@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 16017 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2004 17:05:00 -0000 Received: from 62.104.221.66 by www45.gmx.net with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:05:00 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:05:00 +0200 (MEST) From: "Jonas de Buhr" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #351132 Message-ID: <4863.1082394300@www45.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: do you still need translators? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:05:45 -0000 hi! i just managed to install a (working) freebsd 5.2 (after some bad tries with earlier versions, i think i just got something messed up with the securelevels until someone pointed me into the right direction, so it wasn't exactly the systems fault but mine ;-) ) and i like it very much!! as my c skills are far from being high enough to contribute to the code i wondered if you may need another english to german translator for the docs... cya, jonas -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/dsl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 10:50:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E27A16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0EA43D41 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3JHoLbv041462 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3JHoLqu041461; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404191750.i3JHoLqu041461@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Simon Barner Subject: Re: docs/65766: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simon Barner List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:50:21 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/65766; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Simon Barner To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/65766: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:42:51 +0200 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Could you try this script: [...] Thanks, that works nicely (without fdescfs). > You will have to comment the 2nd line if you use an Epson printer (it's > your case) and don't forget to use the right device for -sDEVICE. > > > Furthermore I'd like to add that I had to remove the following line from > > the ifhp example filter: > > > > printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 > > (I am using an Epson Stylus Color 740 via the stcolor driver, GNU > > Ghostscript 7.07). > > It's normal this line is for HP printers Perhaps this could be mentioned in the handbook? Simon From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 11:00:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB4216A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DCD43D2F for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3JI0jbv041908 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3JI0jR3041902 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404191800.i3JI0jR3041902@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:00:46 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [1999/10/04] i386/14135 doc lpt1 nolonger exists after 3.2-RELEASE s [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () o [2002/01/15] docs/33929 doc Section 15.15 of the FreeBSD Porter's Han s [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/09/13] docs/42762 doc ppp.8 has no description of $env and ~use o [2002/11/14] docs/45303 doc Bug in PDF DocBook rendering o [2002/12/11] www/46195 doc man page kadmind(8) not found at www.Free o [2003/10/14] docs/58033 doc [PATCH] getenv(3) manpage doesn't state t o [2003/11/22] docs/59587 doc rewriting examples (part of documentation o [2003/12/15] docs/60252 doc Continuous re-installations for FreeBSD n o [2003/12/28] docs/60679 doc pthreads documentation does not describe o [2004/01/18] docs/61558 doc New SMC 2602W cards, using the ADM8211, a o [2004/01/19] docs/61598 doc http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859- o [2004/01/19] docs/61605 doc Improve documentation for i386 disk geome o [2004/02/10] docs/62665 doc setting up X display subsystem function i o [2004/03/10] docs/64063 doc Size of block in File System Quota docume 18 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/29] docs/26943 doc [patch] description of :C modifier is mis o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/13] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/15] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/15] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/28] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin s [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/18] docs/38225 doc change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix o [2002/06/12] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/24] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/10] docs/40443 doc Update books/faq/book.sgml for USB .ko's o [2002/07/21] docs/40851 doc [PATCH] "mergemaster -p" in UPDATING's "C o [2002/07/28] docs/41089 doc pax -B option does not mention interactio o [2002/08/02] docs/41270 doc confusing directions for kernelconfig cha o [2002/08/19] docs/41791 doc Documentation formatting error o [2002/08/19] docs/41807 doc natd -punch_fw "bug" o [2002/08/20] docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (2.3) a [2002/08/27] docs/42058 doc Documentation: Installing Oracle 8i onto o [2002/10/04] docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include jus o [2002/10/09] docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol man page o [2002/10/11] docs/43941 doc Rationale for Upgrade Sequence o [2002/10/14] docs/44074 doc ln(1) manual clarifications [patch] o [2002/10/23] docs/44400 doc ipfw(8) has contradictions in bridged and o [2002/10/24] docs/44435 doc sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh o [2002/10/29] docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for o [2002/12/02] docs/45940 doc burncd missing info o [2002/12/11] docs/46196 doc Missing return value in (set_)menu_format o [2002/12/16] docs/46291 doc correlation between HZ kernel config para o [2002/12/16] docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery em o [2003/01/02] docs/46709 doc tables in terminfo.5 are broken o [2003/01/05] docs/46793 doc DEVICE_POLLING can not be used with SMP, o [2003/01/14] docs/47085 doc boot(8) manpage is incomplete according t o [2003/01/27] docs/47575 doc Clarify requirements for IPFW2 in STABLE o [2003/01/28] docs/47594 doc [PATH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allow o [2003/01/30] docs/47690 doc builtin(1) manpage is wrong about externa o [2003/01/30] docs/47705 doc wc(1) manpage has poor explanations. f [2003/02/02] docs/47818 doc ln(1) manpage is confusing f [2003/02/07] docs/48038 doc [PATCH] add Tips and Tricks section into o [2003/02/28] docs/48767 doc wrong key numbers for left/right windows o [2003/03/06] docs/48980 doc [PATCH] nsgmls -s errors and sect. 3.2.1 o [2003/03/23] docs/50211 doc [PATCH] Fix textfile creation o [2003/04/03] docs/50573 doc return values for res_query/res_search/re o [2003/04/07] docs/50677 doc [PATCH] update doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ o [2003/04/10] docs/50773 doc NFS problems by jumbo frames to mention i o [2003/05/06] docs/51875 doc atkbd(4) adjustment o [2003/05/06] docs/51891 doc DIAGNOSTICS in ed driver manpage don't ma o [2003/05/07] docs/51921 doc ls(1) manpage lacks some information abou o [2003/05/11] docs/52071 doc [PATCH] Add more information about soft u o [2003/06/02] docs/52878 doc [PATCH] security(7): small clairification o [2003/06/13] docs/53303 doc mount(2) man page error o [2003/06/20] docs/53575 doc Change to Handbook Section 20.9 o [2003/06/21] docs/53596 doc Updates to mt manual page o [2003/06/25] docs/53732 doc quota output and man page do not document o [2003/06/26] docs/53751 doc bus_dma(9) incorrectly documents BUS_DMA_ o [2003/07/11] docs/54391 doc Document that glob(3) respects LC_COLLATE o [2003/07/22] docs/54752 doc bus_dma explained in ISA section: should o [2003/07/25] docs/54879 doc man 1 jot, -r description o [2003/07/28] docs/54995 doc Error in accept(2) man page o [2003/07/28] docs/54999 doc Documentation Project Primer doesn't conf o [2003/08/11] docs/55482 doc DUMP has access to block devices in a JAI o [2003/08/16] docs/55653 doc chflags.1 - note that not all tools chfla o [2003/09/18] docs/56981 doc man terminfo(5) from libncurses does not o [2003/09/24] docs/57153 doc S_IRWXU missing in fstat(2) man page? o [2003/09/29] docs/57388 doc INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok promp o [2003/10/04] docs/57569 doc error on gensetdefs(8) man page o [2003/10/12] docs/57926 doc amd.conf.5 poorly format as it has both m o [2003/10/13] docs/57974 doc man page apropos for select macros (FD_SE o [2003/10/13] docs/57978 doc Type miss of GPIB in Hardware Notes o [2003/10/16] docs/58111 doc Handbook 12.4.3 Rebuilding ATA RAID1 Arra o [2003/10/28] docs/58615 doc update for Vinum chapter of Handbook: des o [2003/10/30] docs/58710 doc killpg(2) contains an error regarding sen o [2003/11/07] docs/59044 doc doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a o [2003/11/19] docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.fr o [2003/11/21] docs/59565 doc [PATCH] FAQ doesn't cover definition of g o [2003/11/24] docs/59649 doc Outdated 4.4BSD Documents at http://docs. o [2003/11/30] docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about acce o [2003/12/19] docs/60401 doc small typo/error in tcpdump(1) o [2003/12/23] docs/60529 doc resolver(5) man page is badly out of date o [2003/12/24] docs/60544 doc getenv(3) manpage doesn't state the retur o [2004/01/08] docs/61070 doc Installation docs misleading: PResizer i o [2004/01/13] docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enabl o [2004/01/20] docs/61624 doc Missing page numbers in pdf version of Ha o [2004/01/21] docs/61667 doc Obsolete documentation on FreeBSD PnP o [2004/01/24] docs/61859 doc Incorrect informaiton about trace command o [2004/01/25] docs/61878 doc LSI megaraid 150-x cards not included in o [2004/02/04] docs/62364 doc Misleading information in the handbook o [2004/02/05] docs/62402 doc easily circumventable Blade150 problem o [2004/02/05] docs/62412 doc one of the diskless boot methods describe o [2004/02/11] docs/62719 doc cross-reference pccardd and devd o [2004/02/12] docs/62724 doc host(1) manpage does not include informat o [2004/02/12] docs/62770 doc dlsym(3) doesn't reflect the symlook orde o [2004/02/16] docs/62914 doc Reference development(7) in other parts o f [2004/02/17] docs/62974 doc [patch] ACPI documentation clear up o [2004/02/21] docs/63198 doc sysctl_ctx_init.9 example code: 'name' pa o [2004/02/22] docs/63215 doc Wrong prototypes in mi_switch(9) (ref doc o [2004/02/26] docs/63396 doc Fix some minor grammar errors in gssapi.3 o [2004/03/03] docs/63676 doc [patch] Fix some tag errors. o [2004/03/03] docs/63719 doc lptcontrol(8) manpage omits -s from a lis o [2004/03/05] docs/63808 doc No manpage for devfs.conf f [2004/03/16] docs/64342 doc Assumed content of PATH is not defined in o [2004/03/27] docs/64807 doc Handbook section on NAT incomplete o [2004/04/02] docs/65065 doc improper language ntpd man pages o [2004/04/10] docs/65400 doc make.1: better wording in BUGS section o [2004/04/14] docs/65530 doc minor improvement to getgrent.3 o [2004/04/15] docs/65570 doc documented -C option not available in mak o [2004/04/15] docs/65582 doc [PATCH] Update for Simplified Chinese Pro o [2004/04/19] docs/65766 doc [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on 133 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 11:20:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4262916A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5CB43D49 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:20:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3JIKDbv049927 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:20:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3JIKCis049926; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404191820.i3JIKCis049926@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Simon Barner Subject: Re: docs/65766: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Simon Barner List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:20:13 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/65766; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Simon Barner To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/65766: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:07:38 +0200 --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > #!/bin/sh >=20 > printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 >=20 > IFS=3D"" read -r first_line > first_two_chars=3D`expr "$first_line" : '\(..\)'` >=20 > case "${first_two_chars}" in > \%\!*) > /usr/local/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=3Ddjet500 \ > -sOutputFile=3D- - && exit 0 > ;; > *) > echo "$first_line" && cat && printf "\033&l0H" && exit 0 > ;; > esac >=20 > exit 2 I just had another look at the original script: # # It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it. # # Note that PostScript files are actually interpreted programs, # and those programs are allowed to write to stdout, which will # mess up the printed output. So, we redirect stdout to stderr # and then make descriptor 3 go to stdout, and have Ghostscript # write its output there. Exercise for the clever reader: # capture the stderr output from Ghostscript and mail it back to # the user originating the print job. # Your script does not pay attention to the fact that postscript program might mess up stdout, so I guess there is no way around the redirection to fd 3. Is there anything bad about having fdecsfs mounted? --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAhBVqCkn+/eutqCoRAoM5AJ44aJrG3LC4ycFz8eCUKIhwVKzHOwCgtPzB 3ZThA3kgl2c90NaYJyBaD3k= =pQ3t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xB0nW4MQa6jZONgY-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 12:22:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6629A16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC3643D49 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i3JJM9ui011118; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:22:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id i3JJM9mx011117; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:22:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:22:08 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Simon Barner Message-ID: <20040419192208.GC3860@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200404191820.i3JIKCis049926@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404191820.i3JIKCis049926@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/65766: [printing] Fdescfs needs to be mounted on FreeBSD 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:22:14 -0000 On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 11:20:12AM -0700, Simon Barner wrote: > > I just had another look at the original script: > > # > # It is PostScript; use Ghostscript to scan-convert and print it. > # > # Note that PostScript files are actually interpreted programs, > # and those programs are allowed to write to stdout, which will > # mess up the printed output. So, we redirect stdout to stderr > # and then make descriptor 3 go to stdout, and have Ghostscript > # write its output there. Exercise for the clever reader: > # capture the stderr output from Ghostscript and mail it back to > # the user originating the print job. > # > > Your script does not pay attention to the fact that postscript program > might mess up stdout, so I guess there is no way around the redirection > to fd 3. > The script I gave, especially the GS line, is used by a lot of people without any issue since years. The problem mentioned in the comments may occur but I *never* heard about it, the only problem I'm aware of are the GS bugs. > Is there anything bad about having fdecsfs mounted? > Well why adding a config operation when you can avoid it? And when you can use the same configuration on 3.X, 4.X and 5.X, I think it's a good thing. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 13:03:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E01716A4CE; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E037043D1F; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hmp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (hmp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3JK36bv065059; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hmp@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from hmp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3JK36lR065055; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hmp) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:03:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Hiten Pandya Message-Id: <200404192003.i3JK36lR065055@freefall.freebsd.org> To: maneo@bsdpro.com, hmp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/62974: [patch] ACPI documentation clear up X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:03:07 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] ACPI documentation clear up State-Changed-From-To: feedback->closed State-Changed-By: hmp State-Changed-When: Mon Apr 19 13:02:38 PDT 2004 State-Changed-Why: PR can be safely closed. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=62974 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 13:03:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9AB16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AED43D41 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 13:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from J.Kois@web.de) Received: from [212.227.126.179] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BFezD-0002q2-00; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:03:23 +0200 Received: from [80.128.4.195] (helo=p508004c3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BFezD-0003W4-00; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:03:23 +0200 From: Johann Kois To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:03:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <4863.1082394300@www45.gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <4863.1082394300@www45.gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404192203.18133.J.Kois@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:9c07fbe8e4802168c7cc36ff9aa9401f cc: Jonas de Buhr Subject: Re: do you still need translators? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:03:24 -0000 Hello! Am Montag, 19. April 2004 19:05 schrieb Jonas de Buhr: > i just managed to install a (working) freebsd 5.2 > i like it very much!! That's nice to hear. > code i wondered if you may need another english to german translator > for the docs... Well, there's always work to do. AFAIK the installation chapter is still looking forward to be translated ;-)) But if you want to participate you should contact the FreeBSD German Documentation Project (E-Mail: de-bsd-translators@de.freebsd.org , the used language is German). There you'll get further information. Greetings J. Kois From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 17:23:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB9916A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472B743D1D for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3K0Nh72001685 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3K0Nh8S001684 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: World Wide Web Owner Message-Id: <200404200023.i3K0Nh8S001684@www.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:23:43 -0000 ===> releases/4.7R ===> releases/4.8R ===> releases/4.9R ===> releases/4.10R ===> releases/5.0R ===> releases/5.0R/DP1 ===> releases/5.0R/DP2 ===> releases/5.1R ===> releases/5.2R ===> releases/5.2.1R ===> releases/5.3R ===> releng ===> smp ===> kse ===> gnome /usr/local/bin/xsltproc -o index.html /w/www/build/www/en/gnome/index.xsl /w/www/build/www/en/gnome/news.xml /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null -asxml index.html ===> gnome/docs ===> gnome/images *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> donations ===> ports cd /w/www/build/www/en/ports; make -f /w/www/build/www/en/ports/Makefile.inc0 all ===> doc ===> doc/articles ===> doc/articles/5-roadmap ===> doc/articles/checkpoint ===> doc/articles/committers-guide ===> doc/articles/console-server ===> doc/articles/contributing ===> doc/articles/contributors /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -d /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -V %generate-legalnotice-link% -V %generate-article-toc% -V %generate-docformat-navi-link% -ioutput.html.images -D /usr/obj/w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors -c /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/../../../en_US.ISO8859-1/share/sgml/catalog -c /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/iso8879/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/catalog.ports -t sgml /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml /usr/local/bin/jade:/w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/contrib.committers.sgml:10:13:E: general entity "a.tackerman" not defined and no default entity *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors. *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles. *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/www/en/doc. *** Error code 1 (ignored) *** Error code 1 Stop in /w/www/build/www/en. 31.30 real 16.29 user 3.93 sys From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 22:05:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E8016A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avgw.bjut.edu.cn (avgw.bjut.edu.cn [202.112.78.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A98B143D46 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from delphij@frontfree.net) Received: from beastie.frontfree.net ([218.107.145.7]) by avgw.bjut.edu.cn (SAVSMTP 3.1.5.43) with SMTP id M2004042013052418611 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:05:24 +0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA6D115DF for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:05:24 +0800 (CST) Received: from beastie.frontfree.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (beastie.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00236-03 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:05:23 +0800 (CST) Received: by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D5CB1115D7; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:05:23 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:05:23 +0800 From: Xin LI To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20040420050523.GA111@frontfree.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-key-ID/Fingerprint: 0xCAEEB8C0 / 43B8 B703 B8DD 0231 B333 DC28 39FB 93A0 CAEE B8C0 X-GPG-Public-Key: http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc X-Operating-System: FreeBSD beastie.frontfree.net 5.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT #22: Wed Apr 14 17:57:37 CST 2004 delphij@beastie.frontfree.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BEASTIE i386 X-URL: http://www.delphij.net X-By: delphij@beastie.frontfree.net X-Location: Beijing, China X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at frontfree.net Subject: Will someone please have a look at PR/65582 (www/en/docproj/translations.sgml update)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:05:28 -0000 --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As title. It seems that I have misfiled it and it should be www/65582. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D65582 Thanks in advance! Cheers, --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ See complete headers for GPG key and other information. --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAhK+TOfuToMruuMARApHFAJ9itSrFOlUgcojGKSzIBlNISe7vlgCfbqc5 5OojDJWG3FQ3Jeesdpidkuc= =PKt3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 22:19:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD6316A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonsoft.com (dsl017-034-020.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net [69.17.34.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A4F43D45 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve+blackhole-5ac42c706d1981d8@moonsoft.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (helium [127.0.0.1]) by moonsoft.com with ESMTPid i3K5JeuB030027 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:19:40 -0700 Received: (from steve@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i3K5Jeex030023; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:19:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:19:40 -0700 Message-Id: <200404200519.i3K5Jeex030023@localhost.localdomain> To: doc@freebsd.org References: <200404200519.i3K5JcuB030013@moonsoft.com> In-Reply-To: <200404200519.i3K5JcuB030013@moonsoft.com> X-Loop: steve+responder@moonsoft.com X-My-Loop: steve+responder@moonsoft.com From: steve+responder@moonsoft.com Errors-To: steve+blackhole-5ac42c706d1981d8@moonsoft.com Subject: Re: Protected Mail Delivery X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: steve+responder@moonsoft.com List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:19:42 -0000 This is an automatically generated message. 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Steve Scherf From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 22:56:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEE616A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FB843D1F for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goreBOFH@comcast.net) Received: from 192.168.0.100 (pcp02382275pcs.pthurn01.mi.comcast.net[68.60.78.233]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20040420054041016003g6jce>; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:40:45 +0000 From: Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf To: doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 01:42:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> Subject: Would this be useful? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:56:23 -0000 Hi list, this is my first message here, but I'll get to the point; I really like writing documentation for the installation of OSs sometimes, and I think a lot of newbies to *NIX find Free BSD hard to install, the same people think that way about Slackware Linux too, and I did write a nice tutorial on Slackware that was step by step, and even told you how many times to push which button to install it. I'v been thinking about writing one for Free BSD that would go through an install step by step, and make it as easy as the other I did. Would this maybe help people or be a waste of time? -- ____________________________________________ http://www.linux.org http://www.bsd.org http://www.suse.com http://www.slackware.org http://www.irssi.org http://www.antionline.com http://www.cannibalholocaust.net http://www.misfits.com http://www.onethirtyeight.net From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 19 23:30:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0872F16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sarajevo.pacific.net.sg (sarajevo.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB7EE43D3F for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:30:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 28795 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2004 06:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell6.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.212) by sarajevo with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 06:30:19 -0000 Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.28]) by maxwell6.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20040420063019.BJRE1186.maxwell6.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg>; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:30:19 +0800 Message-ID: <4084C2E6.70602@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:27:50 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040409 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf References: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Would this be useful? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:30:36 -0000 Hi, Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf wrote: > Hi list, this is my first message here, but I'll get to the point; > I really like writing documentation for the installation of OSs sometimes, and > I think a lot of newbies to *NIX find Free BSD hard to install, the same > people think that way about Slackware Linux too, and I did write a nice > tutorial on Slackware that was step by step, and even told you how many times > to push which button to install it. > > I'v been thinking about writing one for Free BSD that would go through an > install step by step, and make it as easy as the other I did. Would this > maybe help people or be a waste of time? This would be very helpfull for the acceptance of FreeBSD for 'normal' users. Dispite using Unix and other operating systems since the late Seventies, I feel once in a while lost because I do not understand the documentation. A documentation you suggest would make it much easier for the user to overcome at least the problem even if he does not understand why he was able to overcome it. Erich From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 00:35:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D5F16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2466143D60 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i3K7ZEui021267; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:35:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id i3K7ZDTn021265; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:35:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:35:13 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf Message-ID: <20040420073513.GA21143@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Would this be useful? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:35:23 -0000 On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:42:21AM -0400, Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf wrote: > Hi list, this is my first message here, but I'll get to the point; > I really like writing documentation for the installation of OSs sometimes, and > I think a lot of newbies to *NIX find Free BSD hard to install, the same > people think that way about Slackware Linux too, and I did write a nice > tutorial on Slackware that was step by step, and even told you how many times > to push which button to install it. > [...] Did you really read http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html ? Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 07:35:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB80816A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B624443D41 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goreBOFH@comcast.net) Received: from 192.168.0.100 (pcp02382275pcs.pthurn01.mi.comcast.net[68.60.78.233]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004042014353201400rfpgue>; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:35:33 +0000 From: Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf To: Erich Dollansky Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:37:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> <4084C2E6.70602@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: <4084C2E6.70602@pacific.net.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200404201037.12780.goreBOFH@comcast.net> cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Would this be useful? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:35:33 -0000 On Tuesday 20 April 2004 02:27, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf wrote: > > Hi list, this is my first message here, but I'll get to the point; > > I really like writing documentation for the installation of OSs > > sometimes, and I think a lot of newbies to *NIX find Free BSD hard to > > install, the same people think that way about Slackware Linux too, and I > > did write a nice tutorial on Slackware that was step by step, and even > > told you how many times to push which button to install it. > > > > I'v been thinking about writing one for Free BSD that would go through an > > install step by step, and make it as easy as the other I did. Would this > > maybe help people or be a waste of time? > > This would be very helpfull for the acceptance of FreeBSD for 'normal' > users. > > Dispite using Unix and other operating systems since the late Seventies, > I feel once in a while lost because I do not understand the documentation. > > A documentation you suggest would make it much easier for the user to > overcome at least the problem even if he does not understand why he was > able to overcome it. > > Erich Thank you and thank you Marc. I'm waiting for a mail reply before I start, but I will start working on it. It will be my first Free BSD tutorial so I want to make sure it is good before I let it out. I should have a day off in the nex few days so I can get it going, I'll let you knwo though. Thanks again! -- ____________________________________________ http://www.linux.org http://www.bsd.org http://www.suse.com http://www.slackware.org http://www.irssi.org http://www.antionline.com http://www.cannibalholocaust.net http://www.misfits.com http://www.onethirtyeight.net From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 09:33:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A3416A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp05.web.de [217.72.192.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B59243D55 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:33:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from platanthera@web.de) Received: from [217.225.251.252] (helo=liza.hacienda.herti) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (WEB.DE 4.101 #91) id 1BFyC4-0006C8-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:33:57 +0200 From: platanthera To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:40:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> <20040420073513.GA21143@abigail.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20040420073513.GA21143@abigail.blackend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404201840.04418.platanthera@web.de> Sender: platanthera@web.de Subject: user-opinion poll?! [was: Would this be useful?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:33:59 -0000 On Tuesday 20 April 2004 09:35, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:42:21AM -0400, Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf wrote: > > Hi list, this is my first message here, but I'll get to the point; > > I really like writing documentation for the installation of OSs > > sometimes, and I think a lot of newbies to *NIX find Free BSD hard to > > install, the same people think that way about Slackware Linux too, and I > > did write a nice tutorial on Slackware that was step by step, and even > > told you how many times to push which button to install it. > > [...] > > Did you really read > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html ? it would be really hard to create a better installation guide .-) I'd like to suggest to do an user-opinion poll to find out what FreeBSD users actually think about the existing documentation and where additions or improvements are most urgently desired. maybe this could motivate users like me, who could imagine to write some kind of documentation but don't know exactly what is really needed. best regards From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 09:39:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652F816A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.dkm.cz (smtp.dkm.cz [62.24.64.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0307D43D3F for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neuhauser@chello.cz) Received: (qmail 58793 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 2004 16:39:51 -0000 Received: from r3al16.mistral.cz (HELO isis.wad.cz) (213.220.229.16) by smtp.dkm.cz with SMTP; 20 Apr 2004 16:39:51 -0000 Received: by isis.wad.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 31AF12FDA01; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:39:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:39:50 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: platanthera Message-ID: <20040420163950.GA1498@isis.wad.cz> References: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> <20040420073513.GA21143@abigail.blackend.org> <200404201840.04418.platanthera@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404201840.04418.platanthera@web.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user-opinion poll?! [was: Would this be useful?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:39:54 -0000 # platanthera@web.de / 2004-04-20 18:40:04 +0200: > On Tuesday 20 April 2004 09:35, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:42:21AM -0400, Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf wrote: > > > Hi list, this is my first message here, but I'll get to the point; > > > I really like writing documentation for the installation of OSs > > > sometimes, and I think a lot of newbies to *NIX find Free BSD hard to > > > install, the same people think that way about Slackware Linux too, and I > > > did write a nice tutorial on Slackware that was step by step, and even > > > told you how many times to push which button to install it. > > > > [...] > > > > Did you really read > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html ? > > it would be really hard to create a better installation guide .-) > > I'd like to suggest to do an user-opinion poll to find out what FreeBSD users > actually think about the existing documentation and where additions or > improvements are most urgently desired. maybe this could motivate users like > me, who could imagine to write some kind of documentation but don't know > exactly what is really needed. two things on which the official documentation wasn't much help to me: vinum (Handbook), "cvs the freebsd way" (article) -- FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 6:37PM up 8:45, 4 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 12:20:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BB516A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E1943D4C for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3KJK9bv035943 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3KJK9Ng035942; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200404201920.i3KJK9Ng035942@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Peter Ludemann Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F33F16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9B543D46 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3KJFd72048136 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3KJFd99048135; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200404201915.i3KJFd99048135@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:15:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Ludemann To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:20:10 -0000 >Number: 65822 >Category: docs >Synopsis: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Apr 20 12:20:09 PDT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Peter Ludemann >Release: 4.8 >Organization: Yahoo! >Environment: FreeBSD sharks.corp.yahoo.com 4.8-YAHOO-20030619 FreeBSD 4.8-YAHOO-20030619 #0: Thu Apr 8 14:51:24 PDT 2004 root@sharks.corp.yahoo.com:/home/src/sys/compile/YAHOO i386 >Description: The "-follow" option to the find(1) command is only mentioned in passing, but not otherwise documented. This is true in both FreeBSD 4.8 and 5.x ( http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=find&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.2-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html ) Fortunately, Sun has the information, so I know I didn't just imagine the option: http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/816-0210/6m6nb7m9j?a=view >How-To-Repeat: emacs man find search for "follow" >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 12:42:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71C116A4CF; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1DE43D53; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (ceri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3KJggbv039383; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from ceri@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3KJggOu039379; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:42:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Ceri Davies Message-Id: <200404201942.i3KJggOu039379@freefall.freebsd.org> To: delphij@frontfree.net, ceri@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, ceri@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/65582: [PATCH] Update for Simplified Chinese Project's progress X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:42:43 -0000 Synopsis: [PATCH] Update for Simplified Chinese Project's progress State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ceri State-Changed-When: Tue Apr 20 12:41:04 PDT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Committed in revision 1.66 of www/en/docproj/translations.sgml. Thanks. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ceri Responsible-Changed-By: ceri Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Apr 20 12:41:04 PDT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: My commit http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65582 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 12:43:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBD116A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B6943D2D for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com ([81.103.67.204] helo=shrike.submonkey.net ident=mailnull) by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.31; FreeBSD) id 1BG19G-000PXC-2l; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:43:14 +0100 Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BG19C-000B0e-EC; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:43:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:43:10 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Xin LI Message-ID: <20040420194310.GM32710@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Xin LI , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20040420050523.GA111@frontfree.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/t6ASE28jIy1gGy9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040420050523.GA111@frontfree.net> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Will someone please have a look at PR/65582 (www/en/docproj/translations.sgml update)? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:43:15 -0000 --/t6ASE28jIy1gGy9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:05:23PM +0800, Xin LI wrote: > As title. >=20 > It seems that I have misfiled it and it should be www/65582. >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D65582 Done. > Thanks in advance! No problem. Ceri --=20 --/t6ASE28jIy1gGy9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAhX1OocfcwTS3JF8RAtLdAKDGcbhYvzn83c3KqwrqYN2lMNsDOQCeKe91 1NP8tdFGj15/hFbkV4PIVYk= =GNGm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/t6ASE28jIy1gGy9-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 13:13:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3869F16A4CF for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB80843D2D for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:13:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i3KKDGui033518; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:13:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id i3KKDD6m033517; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:13:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:13:13 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20040420201313.GD21143@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200404200142.21458.goreBOFH@comcast.net> <4084C2E6.70602@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4084C2E6.70602@pacific.net.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Would this be useful? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:13:24 -0000 On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 02:27:50PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf wrote: > >Hi list, this is my first message here, but I'll get to the point; > >I really like writing documentation for the installation of OSs sometimes, > >and I think a lot of newbies to *NIX find Free BSD hard to install, the > >same people think that way about Slackware Linux too, and I did write a > >nice tutorial on Slackware that was step by step, and even told you how > >many times to push which button to install it. > > > >I'v been thinking about writing one for Free BSD that would go through an > >install step by step, and make it as easy as the other I did. Would this > >maybe help people or be a waste of time? > > This would be very helpfull for the acceptance of FreeBSD for 'normal' > users. > > Dispite using Unix and other operating systems since the late Seventies, > I feel once in a while lost because I do not understand the documentation. > Could you give more details about what you do not understand in the doc? > A documentation you suggest would make it much easier for the user to > overcome at least the problem even if he does not understand why he was > able to overcome it. > I don't really understand what you mean. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 14:28:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045BC16A4CF; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D182343D67; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (des@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3KLSUbv050956; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3KLSURa050951; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Message-Id: <200404202128.i3KLSURa050951@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ludemann@yahoo-inc.com, des@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:28:31 -0000 Synopsis: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: des State-Changed-When: Tue Apr 20 14:28:30 PDT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Already fixed. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65822 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 14:30:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D53C16A4CF for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CA143D45 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3KLUMbv051080 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3KLUMht051079; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404202130.i3KLUMht051079@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Subject: Re: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:30:23 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/65822; it has been noted by GNATS. From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Peter Ludemann Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:28:13 +0200 Peter Ludemann writes: > The "-follow" option to the find(1) command is only mentioned in > passing, but not otherwise documented. relevant excerpts from find(1): DESCRIPTION [...] -H Cause the file information and file type (see stat(2)) returned for each symbolic link specified on the command line to be tho= se of the file referenced by the link, not the link itself. If t= he referenced file does not exist, the file information and type will be for the link itself. File information of all symbolic links not on the command line is that of the link itself. This is a suitable replacement for the archaic -follow option. [...] COMPATIBILITY The -follow option has been deprecated; -H is considered to be a suita= ble replacement. [...] STANDARDS [...] Historically, the -d, -H and -x options were implemented using the pri- maries -depth, -follow, and -xdev. [...] DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 15:10:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCF416A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635F443D41 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3KMAYbv056645 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3KMAXcE056644; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404202210.i3KMAXcE056644@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: "Peter Ludemann" Subject: Re: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Peter Ludemann List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:10:34 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/65822; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Peter Ludemann" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:08:08 -0700 Except -H doesn't work (at least, not with FreeBSD 4.8). Here's an example, where -H doesn't follow a symlink but -follow does (to find the file /tmp/aaa): sharks 15:02:13 ~ $ cd foo sharks 15:02:15 ~/foo $ ln -s /tmp ttt sharks 15:02:18 ~/foo $ find -H . -name aaa sharks 15:02:25 ~/foo $ find . -follow -name aaa ./ttt/aaa sharks 15:02:32 ~/foo $ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 17:32:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA7216A4CE; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C6B43D2F; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 7E2625311; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:32:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id E1BC7530A; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:31:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 8D7DE33C6C; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:31:53 +0200 (CEST) To: Peter Ludemann References: <200404202210.i3KMAXcE056644@freefall.freebsd.org> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:31:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200404202210.i3KMAXcE056644@freefall.freebsd.org> (Peter Ludemann's message of "Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:32:02 -0000 "Peter Ludemann" writes: > Except -H doesn't work (at least, not with FreeBSD 4.8). Here's an exampl= e, > where -H doesn't follow a symlink but -follow does (to find the file > /tmp/aaa): Ack, bug in man page. The correct option is -L. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 17:40:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0359A16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A3143D45 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3L0e5bv072783 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3L0e5pQ072782; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404210040.i3L0e5pQ072782@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Subject: Re: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:40:06 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/65822; it has been noted by GNATS. From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) To: Peter Ludemann Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/65822: find(1) documentation neglects to describe "-follow" option Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:31:53 +0200 "Peter Ludemann" writes: > Except -H doesn't work (at least, not with FreeBSD 4.8). Here's an exampl= e, > where -H doesn't follow a symlink but -follow does (to find the file > /tmp/aaa): Ack, bug in man page. The correct option is -L. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 20 20:57:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBD316A4CF for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sarajevo.pacific.net.sg (sarajevo.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2388443D49 for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:57:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 2859 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 03:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell6.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.212) by sarajevo with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 03:56:24 -0000 Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.28]) by maxwell6.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20040421035618.HFLD1186.maxwell6.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg> for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:56:18 +0800 Message-ID: <4085F03F.4050904@pacific.net.sg> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:53:35 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040409 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: user-opinion poll?! [was: Would this be useful?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:57:38 -0000 Hi, platanthera wrote: > On Tuesday 20 April 2004 09:35, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > >>On Tue, Apr 20, 2004 at 01:42:21AM -0400, Allen/Gore/SlackWareWolf wrote: >> >>>Hi list, this is my first message here, but I'll get to the point; >>>I really like writing documentation for the installation of OSs >>>sometimes, and I think a lot of newbies to *NIX find Free BSD hard to >>>install, the same people think that way about Slackware Linux too, and I >>>did write a nice tutorial on Slackware that was step by step, and even >>>told you how many times to push which button to install it. >> >>[...] >> >>Did you really read >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html ? > > > it would be really hard to create a better installation guide .-) > It depends on the angle of view. Imagine you are a Windows user and want to try FreeBSD. All you get is that handbook. It just looks greek to them. This is the point where their route to FreeBSD ends. Erich From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 02:13:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A6916A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.dkm.cz (smtp.dkm.cz [62.24.64.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00A9543D4C for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 02:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neuhauser@chello.cz) Received: (qmail 29495 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 2004 09:13:43 -0000 Received: from r3al16.mistral.cz (HELO isis.wad.cz) (213.220.229.16) by smtp.dkm.cz with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 09:13:43 -0000 Received: by isis.wad.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 630872FDA01; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:13:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:13:43 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Erich Dollansky Message-ID: <20040421091343.GB1051@isis.wad.cz> References: <4085F03F.4050904@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4085F03F.4050904@pacific.net.sg> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user-opinion poll?! [was: Would this be useful?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:13:45 -0000 # oceanare@pacific.net.sg / 2004-04-21 11:53:35 +0800: > platanthera wrote: > >On Tuesday 20 April 2004 09:35, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > >>Did you really read > >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html ? > > > >it would be really hard to create a better installation guide .-) > > It depends on the angle of view. > > Imagine you are a Windows user and want to try FreeBSD. All you get is > that handbook. It just looks greek to them. > > This is the point where their route to FreeBSD ends. I don't have to imagine being a Windows user as I *was* one, and I wanted to try FreeBSD (4.0 at that time). All I got was that handbook. Unix just looked all greek to me. That was the point where my route to FreeBSD began. Or did you mean a *dumb* Windows user? Yes, I'm fed up with the "them poor Windows users" FUD. If you're looking for things to document (better/more), how about the VM system (e. g. the fourth line in top, or process states as shown in ps/top? I actually saw a Samba/AD integration tutorial aimed at Windows users. It went like this: type vi /etc/samba/smb.conf and hit enter type j three times, then O, then ... Needles to say, the result was that I couldn't tell what changes are should do without following it to the letter, which was slow as hell, and was prone to error in case the file I was editing was different from the one they were assuming. Every (other) piece of technical documentation I've seen assumed some prior knowledge, and brains, in the reader. Of course, the level is a matter of discussion, and Matt Dillon is probably not the best target audience of a hypothetical "How NFS works" Handbook chapter, but don't aim the documentation at "dummies". -- FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 10:46AM up 1:17, 5 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 03:50:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7BA16A4CE; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A0343D4C; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.FreeBSD.org) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3LAog7B075370; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:50:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.FreeBSD.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost)i3LAogHj075369; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:50:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.FreeBSD.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.9) id i3LAoPG4004772; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:50:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:50:25 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Hiroki Sato Message-ID: <20040421105025.GA4727@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> References: <20040413.042313.70228550.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040413.042313.70228550.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: doc-committers@freebsd.org cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush for 4.10R begins on 17 April X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:50:44 -0000 On 2004-04-13 04:23:13 +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a reminder; the doc/ slush begins on 17 April. > The purpose of the doc/ slush is to slow down the rate of change > in that tree in order to allow the translation teams time to finalize > their work and to avoid last-minute breakage for the 4.10-RELEASE. > As usual, this is not a real freeze and requires no formal commit > approval procedure for your commit, but you are kindly requested > not to commit large, structural changes during that period. > > Tagging of the doc/ tree is scheduled to take place on 24 April. > Thank you for your cooperation and keep up the good work! will be www/ tagged too? -Wolfram -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 04:01:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2955816A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fwall.in.markiza.sk (fwall.in.markiza.sk [62.168.76.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B393943D1D for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from corwin@pleiades.aeternal.net) Received: from pleiades.aeternal.net (pleiades.in.markiza.sk [192.168.13.7]) by fwall.in.markiza.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C385423057; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pleiades.aeternal.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pleiades.aeternal.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD29B1703D; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:03:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from corwin@localhost) by pleiades.aeternal.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3LB3470003111; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:03:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from corwin) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:03:04 +0200 From: Martin Hudec To: Roman Neuhauser Message-ID: <20040421110304.GE2638@pleiades.aeternal.net> References: <4085F03F.4050904@pacific.net.sg> <20040421091343.GB1051@isis.wad.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040421091343.GB1051@isis.wad.cz> X-Copyright: (C) 2004 Martin Hudec X-Operating-System: FreeBSD pleiades.aeternal.net 5.2.1-RELEASE-p5 i386 X-PGP-Key: http://www.aeternal.net/corwin_aeternal.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user-opinion poll?! [was: Would this be useful?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Hudec List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:01:54 -0000 Hello, On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:13:43AM +0200 or thereabouts, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > > This is the point where their route to FreeBSD ends. > > I don't have to imagine being a Windows user as I *was* one, > and I wanted to try FreeBSD (4.0 at that time). All I got was that > handbook. Unix just looked all greek to me. > > That was the point where my route to FreeBSD began. I used to hear this: To boldly go there where no man has gone before.. :) There are those who will back off with fear from FreeBSD and will go on trying to find some other alternatives to their operating systems experience. There are those who will be the right freebsd-trekkies and will follow the route.. > Or did you mean a *dumb* Windows user? There is nothing like "dumb windows user".. they have their Windows and they are happy, cause Windows and its bunch of software is everything they need to be satisfied. We were not satisfied, so we've moved on, and we are moving on.. there is no reason good enough to have such remarks as "dumb stupid poor winblows" user.. I am used to see such remarks on general mailing lists dealing with linux and I am bit sad.. These are my 10c to discussion. Cheers, Martin -- Martin Hudec | corwin at aeternal.net | corwin at web.markiza.sk http://www.aeternal.net | cell +421 907 303 393 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 04:04:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40ADD16A4CF; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2185543D48; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.26.104] (mcnmo.mccme.ru [62.117.108.25]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B6E5C7B4; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 04:03:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20040421105025.GA4727@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> References: <20040413.042313.70228550.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040421105025.GA4727@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E8AD32E-9383-11D8-869E-000A95EFFA94@freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Murray Stokely Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:03:44 +0400 To: Wolfram Schneider X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: Hiroki Sato cc: doc@freebsd.org cc: doc-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush for 4.10R begins on 17 April X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:04:01 -0000 On Apr 21, 2004, at 2:50 PM, Wolfram Schneider wrote: >> Tagging of the doc/ tree is scheduled to take place on 24 April. >> Thank you for your cooperation and keep up the good work! > > will be www/ tagged too? > No we have never needed to tag www/. Just the doc/ tree as with previous releases. - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 07:44:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D3616A4CF for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salvador.pacific.net.sg (salvador.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.219]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 403B343D49 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 07:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 845 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2004 14:44:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maxwell2.pacific.net.sg) (203.120.90.192) by salvador with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 14:44:39 -0000 Received: from pacific.net.sg ([210.24.202.28]) by maxwell2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id <20040421144439.TWPD1277.maxwell2.pacific.net.sg@pacific.net.sg>; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:44:39 +0800 Message-ID: <4086882C.2030202@pacific.net.sg> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:41:48 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: oceanare pte ltd User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040409 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roman Neuhauser References: <4085F03F.4050904@pacific.net.sg> <20040421091343.GB1051@isis.wad.cz> In-Reply-To: <20040421091343.GB1051@isis.wad.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user-opinion poll?! [was: Would this be useful?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:44:42 -0000 Hi, Roman Neuhauser wrote: >>Imagine you are a Windows user and want to try FreeBSD. All you get is >>that handbook. It just looks greek to them. >> >>This is the point where their route to FreeBSD ends. > > Every (other) piece of technical documentation I've seen assumed > some prior knowledge, and brains, in the reader. Of course, the > level is a matter of discussion, and Matt Dillon is probably not > the best target audience of a hypothetical "How NFS works" Handbook > chapter, but don't aim the documentation at "dummies". > The current FreeBSD needs an IT professional or at least a person who is very much interested in IT with a certain level of knowledge. The dummies are the other end. But there are a lot of people who could operate and would like to operate FreeBSD but they are just not able to overcome the problem of installing it. They do not need all the things a server needs. They just need the things to get their very own PC up and running with the help of a handbook they understand. The number of FreeBSD users will raise if more people are able to install it without the need of professional know-how. Erich From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 09:21:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A5D16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.dkm.cz (smtp.dkm.cz [62.24.64.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5731643D41 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neuhauser@chello.cz) Received: (qmail 41167 invoked by uid 0); 21 Apr 2004 16:21:53 -0000 Received: from r3al16.mistral.cz (HELO isis.wad.cz) (213.220.229.16) by smtp.dkm.cz with SMTP; 21 Apr 2004 16:21:53 -0000 Received: by isis.wad.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 09ECF2FDA01; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:21:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:21:52 +0200 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Martin Hudec Message-ID: <20040421162152.GA2088@isis.wad.cz> References: <4085F03F.4050904@pacific.net.sg> <20040421091343.GB1051@isis.wad.cz> <20040421110304.GE2638@pleiades.aeternal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040421110304.GE2638@pleiades.aeternal.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user-opinion poll?! [was: Would this be useful?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:21:55 -0000 # corwin@aeternal.net / 2004-04-21 13:03:04 +0200: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:13:43AM +0200 or thereabouts, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > > > This is the point where their route to FreeBSD ends. > > > > I don't have to imagine being a Windows user as I *was* one, > > and I wanted to try FreeBSD (4.0 at that time). All I got was that > > handbook. Unix just looked all greek to me. > > > > That was the point where my route to FreeBSD began. > > Or did you mean a *dumb* Windows user? > > There is nothing like "dumb windows user".. they have their Windows and > they are happy, cause Windows and its bunch of software is everything > they need to be satisfied. Are all windows users smart? That doesn't look very likely from the statistics point of view. Note that I didn't assert *all* windows users were dumb. There are smart people, there are dumb people, and both groups use computers, both groups use Windows. I'm not going to pretend it is not so. I remember a post on questions@ in which someone reported this problem: he tried to install FreeBSD several times, but all attempts failed; the thing rebooted the computer, and left him with a screen of crap ending with "Login:", which he couldn't get past because it insisted he must give it some password (he had no idea what password). Now, I of course don't know/remember whether the person was a Windows user, for what it's worth he could be completely new to computers. It doesn't matter. The post suggested the person wasn't particularly inteligent. I don't want the project to cater for such people. -- FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE-p2 1:14PM up 3:45, 5 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 09:55:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D2016A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fwall.in.markiza.sk (fwall.in.markiza.sk [62.168.76.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900ED43D5D for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from corwin@pleiades.aeternal.net) Received: from pleiades.aeternal.net (pleiades.in.markiza.sk [192.168.13.7]) by fwall.in.markiza.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A07522F97 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:55:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pleiades.aeternal.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pleiades.aeternal.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8059F1703D for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:56:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from corwin@localhost) by pleiades.aeternal.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3LGuODh005557 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:56:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from corwin) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:56:24 +0200 From: Martin Hudec To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040421165624.GS2638@pleiades.aeternal.net> References: <4085F03F.4050904@pacific.net.sg> <20040421091343.GB1051@isis.wad.cz> <20040421110304.GE2638@pleiades.aeternal.net> <20040421162152.GA2088@isis.wad.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040421162152.GA2088@isis.wad.cz> X-Copyright: (C) 2004 Martin Hudec X-Operating-System: FreeBSD pleiades.aeternal.net 5.2.1-RELEASE-p5 i386 X-PGP-Key: http://www.aeternal.net/corwin_aeternal.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: user-opinion poll?! [was: Would this be useful?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Hudec List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:55:12 -0000 Hello Roman, I do agree with you in all.. You mentioned statistic point of view :), well when I was returning from London, UK, I found a nice quote on a sandwich paper :).. "Statistics are like bikini, what they reveal is interesting, what they hide is vital" So much for statistics.. As far as -questions list is concerned, well it looks like FreeBSD might be receiving more and more attention from users of other operating systems, like linux has and is receiving from Windows users. They've migrated from Windows to linux (generally mainly because it was/is IN, it was/is actual, it was/is something prestigeous, and it allowed/s someone to refer to other Windows users as BFU, lamers etc etc), just to experience the feel and function of Unix like system, and when they started to want more and more (and to get rid of dependency hell as is usual on poor maintained rpm based systems for example) they found BSD Family.. And they are oriented in the basics at least.. but what about Windows user going straight to BSD? Well maybe someone like this posted that question to maillist. I, personally, do not want the project to cater that kind of people too, but let's assume that they are capable of learning new things.. and that one day, they will be much more experienced and they will become more valued part of community. Cheers, Martin On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 06:21:52PM +0200 or thereabouts, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > Are all windows users smart? That doesn't look very likely from the > statistics point of view. Note that I didn't assert *all* windows > users were dumb. There are smart people, there are dumb people, and > both groups use computers, both groups use Windows. I'm not going to > pretend it is not so. > > I remember a post on questions@ in which someone reported this > problem: he tried to install FreeBSD several times, but all attempts > failed; the thing rebooted the computer, and left him with a screen > of crap ending with "Login:", which he couldn't get past because it > insisted he must give it some password (he had no idea what > password). > > Now, I of course don't know/remember whether the person was a > Windows user, for what it's worth he could be completely new to > computers. It doesn't matter. The post suggested the person wasn't > particularly inteligent. I don't want the project to cater for such > people. -- Martin Hudec | corwin at aeternal.net | corwin at web.markiza.sk http://www.aeternal.net | cell +421 907 303 393 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 15:30:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF4B16A4CF for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:30:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E026E43D54 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3LMUIbv020826 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3LMUIPo020825; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200404212230.i3LMUIPo020825@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Jeff Bachtel Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143D716A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inferno.tamu.edu (inferno.tamu.edu [165.91.114.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC70D43D39 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeffb@inferno.tamu.edu) Received: from inferno.tamu.edu (localhost.tamu.edu [127.0.0.1]) by inferno.tamu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3LMPLPt080498 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:25:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeffb@inferno.tamu.edu) Received: (from jeffb@localhost) by inferno.tamu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3LMPLUG080485; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:25:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeffb) Message-Id: <200404212225.i3LMPLUG080485@inferno.tamu.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:25:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Bachtel To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/65864: login.conf(5) manpage doesn't mention cap_mkdb(1) enough X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jeff Bachtel List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:30:19 -0000 >Number: 65864 >Category: docs >Synopsis: login.conf(5) manpage doesn't mention cap_mkdb(1) enough >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Apr 21 15:30:18 PDT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jeff Bachtel >Release: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p4 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD inferno.tamu.edu 5.2.1-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p4 #5: Tue Apr 13 11:45:49 CDT 2004 root@inferno.tamu.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: The manpage of login.conf(5) fails to mention the necessity of rebuilding the capabilities hash database after modifying login.conf . >How-To-Repeat: Look at login.conf(5) as distributed with FreeBSD 5.2.1 and 4.9 >Fix: Add a caveat/warning/whatever to rebuild the capabilities database after a modification. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 15:32:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BD516A4CE; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190C243D46; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3LMWSbv020944; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3LMWSdM020940; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200404212232.i3LMWSdM020940@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/65864: login.conf(5) manpage doesn't mention cap_mkdb(1) enough X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:32:29 -0000 Synopsis: login.conf(5) manpage doesn't mention cap_mkdb(1) enough Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Apr 21 15:32:07 PDT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Take this PR, I want to workover this manual page. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=65864 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 17:14:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B7616A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E072D43D49 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:14:19 +0100 From: John Murphy To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:14:16 +0100 Message-ID: <492e809hp4kpribglooqj4qv33fad6n44m@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2004 00:14:19.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[C19FD370:01C427FE] Subject: ipf docs location in defaults/rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:14:19 -0000 Lines 85 & 86 of FreeBSD-5.2.1 /etc/defaults rc.conf says: ipfilter_rules=3D"/etc/ipf.rules" # rules definition file for ipfilter, = see # /usr/src/contrib/ipfilter/rules for = examples I see no examples there but find many under /usr/share/examples/ipfilter Possibly applies to 4.9 too. Thanks again for great documentation. --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 22:40:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E955E16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nmgww.sn.tsden.org (gw.nemossan.jp [202.216.232.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB49543D45 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from "") Received: from nmgww.sn.tsden.org (IDENT:ryutaroh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nmgww.sn.tsden.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3M5edw2024495 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:40:39 +0900 Received: (from ryutaroh@localhost) by nmgww.sn.tsden.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3M5edRh024494 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:40:39 +0900 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:40:39 +0900 Message-Id: <200404220540.i3M5edRh024494@nmgww.sn.tsden.org> X-Authentication-Warning: nmgww.sn.tsden.org: ryutaroh set sender to <> using -f To: doc@freebsd.org Auto-Submitted: auto-replied From: ryutaroh@tsden.org Precedence: junk Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:40:46 -0000 I do not read the email account "ryutaroh@tsden.org". 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From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 21 22:45:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EF916A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e-zlife.com (adsl-64-173-72-170.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.173.72.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FB243D54 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:45:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Tad@e-zlife.com) Received: from e-zlife.com [63.205.143.167] by e-zlife.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFEE10E00DA; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: <40875C03.9060405@e-zlife.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:45:39 -0700 From: Tad Shaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: this is a test to see if my mail is getting to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 05:45:44 -0000 please disreguard. Tad From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 22 01:00:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E98B616A517 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C568E43D53 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3M80kbv007225 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3M80hE3007221; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404220800.i3M80hE3007221@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Lars Eggert Subject: Re: docs/53303: mount(2) man page error X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lars Eggert List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:00:47 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/53303; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Lars Eggert To: marcs@draenor.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/53303: mount(2) man page error Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:56:49 +0200 Hi, the proposed change addresses the issue. Even better though would be a reference to where the respective information can be found for UFS (but I don't know where that would be.) Lars -- Lars Eggert NEC Network Laboratories From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 22 01:40:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5E416A4D0 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721FF43D2D for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3M8eIbv012939 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3M8eH8x012938; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 01:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404220840.i3M8eH8x012938@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Paul Armstrong Subject: Re: docs/58111: Handbook 12.4.3 Rebuilding ATA RAID1 Arrays contains errors X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paul Armstrong List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:40:18 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/58111; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Paul Armstrong To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, jmt@twilley.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/58111: Handbook 12.4.3 Rebuilding ATA RAID1 Arrays contains errors Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:01:19 +1000 I just got bitten with this too. Perhapse someone would care to apply the following patch? Thanks, Paul --- book.html Mon Feb 23 20:33:54 2004 +++ /tmp/book.html Mon Apr 19 17:31:07 2004 @@ -28726,7 +28726,7 @@
  • -

    Reattach the disk as a spare:

    +

    Reattach the disk:

      # atacontrol attach 3
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  • +

    Attach the disk as a spare:

    +
     +# atacontrol addspare ar0 ad6
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    +
    • + +

  • Rebuild the array:

     @@ -28744,7 +28751,8 @@
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    The rebuild command hangs until complete. However, it is possible to open another +

    On older versions of FreeBSD, the rebuild command may hang until complete. +However, it is possible to open another terminal (using Alt+Fn) and check on the progress by issuing the following command:

    From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 22 12:20:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EB616A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906D643D53 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3MJKFbv076203 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3MJKF8L076202; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200404221920.i3MJKF8L076202@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Pierre-Olivier Laprise Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26F716A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E565543D3F for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3MJEe72012371 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3MJEe3e012370; Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200404221914.i3MJEe3e012370@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Pierre-Olivier Laprise To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/65895: incorrect "omshell" link in "dhclient" man page on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:20:15 -0000 >Number: 65895 >Category: docs >Synopsis: incorrect "omshell" link in "dhclient" man page on www.freebsd.org >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Apr 22 12:20:15 PDT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Pierre-Olivier Laprise >Release: N/A >Organization: McGill University >Environment: N/A >Description: The "dhclient" man page accessed through www.freebsd.org (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=dhclient&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+5.2-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html), has a link to "omshell (8)" in the 12th paragraph of the "Command Line section. This should instead be a link to "omshell(1)", as is given later on in the text. >How-To-Repeat: go to "http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi", search for "dhclient", click on "omshell (8)". (note the space before the parenthesis) >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 23 00:36:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from localhost (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EBA16A4CE; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 00:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:34:38 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040423.163438.78787869.rushani@FreeBSD.org> To: hrs@FreeBSD.org From: Hideyuki KURASHINA In-Reply-To: <20040413.042313.70228550.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> References: <20040413.042313.70228550.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> X-URL: http://www.rushani.jp/ X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.rushani.jp/rushani.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A052 6F98 6146 6FE3 91E2 DA6B F2FA 2088 439A DC57 X-RC5-72-Stats: http://stats.distributed.net/participant/psummary.php?project_id=8&id=432320 X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush for 4.10R begins on 17 April X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 07:36:01 -0000 Hi, >>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 04:23:13 +0900 (JST), Hiroki Sato said: > Tagging of the doc/ tree is scheduled to take place on 24 April. When is it tagged? Could you please tell us exact time and time zone (perhaps UTC as well as ports/ tree) ? I'll try to do my best. Thanks, -- rushani From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 23 08:20:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FE416A4DE for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228C143D4C for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3NFKcbv090243 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3NFKcPV090242; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200404231520.i3NFKcPV090242@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Peter Pentchev Subject: Re: docs/61598: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/article.html should be updated with info on updating 5.2 w/o HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Peter Pentchev List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:20:39 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/61598; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Peter Pentchev To: Chris Pepper Cc: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/61598: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/article.html should be updated with info on updating 5.2 w/o HEAD Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 18:14:54 +0300 --cQXOx3fnlpmgJsTP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 07:58:05PM -0500, Chris Pepper wrote: > >Description: > The Handbook, in particular > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/article.html, > lacks information on updating 5.2. > I'm testing the water, after tracking 4_RELENG for a while, and don't > want to use CURRENT, but nformation on the equivalent to RELENG_4 is > hard to find. I see RELENG_5_2 in cvsweb -- is there something else I > should track to keep 5.2 updated without going fully bleeding-edge? > This should also probably be mentioned in the FAQ. No, there is no such branch for the present. Currently, the only 5.x branches available are HEAD (the bleeding-edge -CURRENT itself) and the release branches (or security branches) RELENG_5_0, RELENG_5_1, RELENG_5_2, RELENG_5_2_1. None of them has the semantics of a stable branch because, well, 5.x is not yet deemed stable. When the transition to 5.x-STABLE is made, a new RELENG_5 branch will be created and it will then have the same 'stable branch' semantics as the current RELENG_4. This will most likely happen with the release of FreeBSD 5.3 in a couple of months. > Similarly, http://www.freebsd.org/releng/ should be updated (the > HEAD comment says 5.2 is not yet announced). I think this has happened in the meantime :) > >Fix: > Update these URLs with information on tracking 5.2 -- is > RELENG_5_2 only for security fixes, comparable to RELENG_4_8? Is > there any alternative to track aside from CURRENT (tag=3D.)? No, there is no alternative yet. As explained above, the RELENG_5 (stable) branch will probably be cut with FreeBSD 5.3. For the present, yes, there is only the release branch RELENG_5_2, which only carries security fixes. Thus, there doesn't seem to be anything that would need updating on the above URL's, except the updates that have already been done as things progressed with the release of 5.2.1 and the upcoming 4.10 :) G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@sbnd.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If I had finished this sentence, --cQXOx3fnlpmgJsTP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAiTLt7Ri2jRYZRVMRAn+HAJ4kWLLNdhZh/faBHs2GsRyEbDDPrACgtmEZ 0V4TaANTRHUjjjrjnom3JCo= =FyRx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cQXOx3fnlpmgJsTP-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 23 10:52:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 189B916A4CE; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [211.6.83.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC9A43D5D; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p1160-adsau12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.97.138.160]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0779B276B; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:52:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3NHptA2090870; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:51:55 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:51:47 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040424.025147.23021827.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: rushani@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato In-Reply-To: <20040423.163438.78787869.rushani@FreeBSD.org> References: <20040413.042313.70228550.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20040423.163438.78787869.rushani@FreeBSD.org> X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.64 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sat_Apr_24_02_51_47_2004_337)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ slush for 4.10R begins on 17 April X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:52:24 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Apr_24_02_51_47_2004_337)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hideyuki KURASHINA wrote in <20040423.163438.78787869.rushani@FreeBSD.org>: rushani> > Tagging of the doc/ tree is scheduled to take place on 24 April. rushani> rushani> When is it tagged? Could you please tell us exact time and time zone rushani> (perhaps UTC as well as ports/ tree) ? I think I will start the work at around 12:00 UTC. -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Apr_24_02_51_47_2004_337)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBAiVezTyzT2CeTzy0RArHcAJ9WGeB677ZSgPlBhX5zKLJal76mNgCg3ril BXI3latTwCJ7+/q7LK3568A= =mt5q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sat_Apr_24_02_51_47_2004_337)---- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 23 13:57:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D436516A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thalia.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7098143D48 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:57:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a191.otenet.gr [212.205.215.191]) by thalia.otenet.gr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3NKuog5017221 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:56:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3NKFpi6052117 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:15:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i3NKFpIu052116; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:15:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 23:15:51 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Terry L. Tyson Jr." Message-ID: <20040423201551.GB51713@gothmog.gr> References: <20040423131549.GA40621@tyson.homeunix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040423131549.GA40621@tyson.homeunix.org> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: [PATCH] Re: handbook - kernel build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 20:57:06 -0000 [-- Message copied from freebsd-questions to freebsd-doc --] [-- where it fits the list charter a lot more. --] On 2004-04-23 08:15, "Terry L. Tyson Jr." wrote: > In section 9.3 of the handbook just before the two procedures it lists > "If you are building a new kernel without updating the source code > (perhaps just to add a new option, such as IPFIREWALL) you can use > either procedure." > > However, after the two procedures it says "If you have not upgraded > your source tree in any way (you have not run CVsup, CTM, or used > anoncvs), then you should use the config, make depend, make, make > install sequence." which is procedure 1. > > This seems contradictory to me. Also, I have not upgraded anything on > this particular box, used procedure 2 and all seems well. Hi Terry, IMHO, the wording could have been less confusing and certainly not contradictory at all, if the second snippet mentioned had used "could" instead of "should". Would it all look better written as shown below? %%% Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.130 diff -u -r1.130 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 25 Mar 2004 09:55:18 -0000 1.130 +++ chapter.sgml 23 Apr 2004 20:06:01 -0000 @@ -358,9 +358,11 @@ If you have not upgraded your source - tree in any way (you have not run CVSup, + tree in any way since the last time you successfully completed + a buildworld-installworld cycle + (you have not run CVSup, CTM, or used - anoncvs), then you should use the + anoncvs), then it is safe to use the config, make depend, make, make install sequence. %%% This would render as: If you have *not* upgraded your source tree in any way since the last time you successfully completed an `installworld' (you have not run CVSup, CTM, or used anoncvs), then it is safe to use the config, make depend, make, make install sequence. Is the (AFAICT intended) meaning clearer this way? - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 23 17:35:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBE116A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kayak.tyson.homeunix.org (cs2416259-45.houston.rr.com [24.162.59.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FAF43D4C for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:35:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ty@tyson.homeunix.org) Received: by kayak.tyson.homeunix.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 429AD730; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:34:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:34:24 -0500 From: "Terry L. Tyson Jr." To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20040424003424.GA41885@tyson.homeunix.org> References: <20040423131549.GA40621@tyson.homeunix.org> <20040423201551.GB51713@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040423201551.GB51713@gothmog.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: handbook - kernel build question X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 00:35:06 -0000 > [-- Message copied from freebsd-questions to freebsd-doc --] > [-- where it fits the list charter a lot more. --] > > On 2004-04-23 08:15, "Terry L. Tyson Jr." wrote: > > In section 9.3 of the handbook just before the two procedures it lists > > "If you are building a new kernel without updating the source code > > (perhaps just to add a new option, such as IPFIREWALL) you can use > > either procedure." > > > > However, after the two procedures it says "If you have not upgraded > > your source tree in any way (you have not run CVsup, CTM, or used > > anoncvs), then you should use the config, make depend, make, make > > install sequence." which is procedure 1. > > > > This seems contradictory to me. Also, I have not upgraded anything on > > this particular box, used procedure 2 and all seems well. > On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 11:15:51PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Hi Terry, > > IMHO, the wording could have been less confusing and certainly not > contradictory at all, if the second snippet mentioned had used "could" > instead of "should". > > Would it all look better written as shown below? > > %%% > Index: chapter.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.130 > diff -u -r1.130 chapter.sgml > --- chapter.sgml 25 Mar 2004 09:55:18 -0000 1.130 > +++ chapter.sgml 23 Apr 2004 20:06:01 -0000 > @@ -358,9 +358,11 @@ > > > If you have not upgraded your source > - tree in any way (you have not run CVSup, > + tree in any way since the last time you successfully completed > + a buildworld-installworld cycle > + (you have not run CVSup, > CTM, or used > - anoncvs), then you should use the > + anoncvs), then it is safe to use the > config, make depend, > make, make install sequence. > > %%% > > This would render as: > > If you have *not* upgraded your source tree in any way since the > last time you successfully completed an `installworld' (you have > not run CVSup, CTM, or used anoncvs), then it is safe to use the > config, make depend, make, make install sequence. > > Is the (AFAICT intended) meaning clearer this way? > > - Giorgos Giorgos, Yes, that makes much more sence to me. Thanks, -- Terry From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 23 12:50:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A39316A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A4E43D41 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e.djeff@free.fr) Received: from arawak (rosny-4-82-224-185-178.fbx.proxad.net [82.224.185.178]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AB78C4625 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:50:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000801c4296c$8a920a50$0100a8c0@ziltik.com> From: "ETIENNE Djeff" To: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:52:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 04:53:22 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: what is th pass for the ftp site to get the doc X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:50:43 -0000 hello i would like to know the pass to have the complete doc think you From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 24 04:58:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639EC16A4CE for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 04:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB03F43D1D for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 04:58:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i3OBweui077995; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:58:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id i3OBwdg6077994; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:58:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:58:39 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: ETIENNE Djeff Message-ID: <20040424115839.GB76752@abigail.blackend.org> References: <000801c4296c$8a920a50$0100a8c0@ziltik.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000801c4296c$8a920a50$0100a8c0@ziltik.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: what is th pass for the ftp site to get the doc X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 11:58:44 -0000 On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 09:52:41PM +0200, ETIENNE Djeff wrote: > hello i would like to know the pass to have the complete doc > think you You have to log as "anonymous" with any passwd. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 24 13:05:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964A616A4CF; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [211.6.83.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B2543D48; Sat, 24 Apr 2004 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Received: from delta.allbsd.org (p1160-adsau12honb4-acca.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp [220.97.138.160]) by smtp.eos.ocn.ne.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BA817B8; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 05:05:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.allbsd.org [192.168.0.10]) by delta.allbsd.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3OK3qA2099591; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 05:03:52 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 05:03:11 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040425.050311.130194868.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: doc@FreeBSD.org, doc-committers@FreeBSD.org From: Hiroki Sato X-PGPkey-fingerprint: BDB3 443F A5DD B3D0 A530 FFD7 4F2C D3D8 2793 CF2D X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.64 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="--Security_Multipart(Sun_Apr_25_05_03_11_2004_080)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HEADS UP: doc/ tagging completed X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:05:42 -0000 ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Apr_25_05_03_11_2004_080)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have completed tagging of the doc/ tree and a test build for upcoming 4.10-RELEASE. You can consider doc/ is open for commits now, but as usual any sweeping changes should be postponed until after the release day. If there are any questions, please let me know. Thanks! -- | Hiroki SATO ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Apr_25_05_03_11_2004_080)-- Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBAisgCTyzT2CeTzy0RAq2YAKCW10yoAtMQzhGc08kZ+myTENE5pACdGFNV 5xgJpttaXRnb2nvu/KexnrI= =Tq+s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----Security_Multipart(Sun_Apr_25_05_03_11_2004_080)----